Speaker 1: Enjoy these back to back classic Forbidden Knowledge News episodes. Today,
Speaker 1: I want to welcome back to the show, Mark Steves.
Speaker 1: He is an independent thinker, conspiracy sleuthor, mystical explorer, and
Speaker 1: spiritual seeker. He has always questioned the official narrative, whether
Speaker 1: it was from the classroom, on television, or the world
Speaker 1: around him. He researches everything and anything that presents itself
Speaker 1: to his intuition. Mark, welcome back.
Speaker 2: How you doing excellent? Thanks for having me. It's always
Speaker 2: a pleasure being here. Chris, how you Ben.
Speaker 1: I'm excellent too, man. I always have a fun when
Speaker 1: we're having conversations. I had a great time on your
Speaker 1: show last time, and today I know we're going to
Speaker 1: get into some awesome stuff. You send me an email
Speaker 1: and some of the topics that you have here is
Speaker 1: skull and Bones, and it's kind of, like you said,
Speaker 1: a synchronistic version of what could be behind this and
Speaker 1: some other fun projects that you're working on that we'll
Speaker 1: get into if we have time, for sure. But for
Speaker 1: the audience that may not be familiar with you, tell
Speaker 1: us a little bit about yourself. What led you to
Speaker 1: start the podcast and then what led you to start
Speaker 1: your research into Skull and Bones.
Speaker 2: M all right, cool. So mystic mark is how I
Speaker 2: refer to myself on my podcast. You don't have to
Speaker 2: call me that. My podcast is called my family thinks
Speaker 2: I'm crazy. And it's a, you know, sort of an
Speaker 2: embodiment of all of the topics that I've been fascinated
Speaker 2: with and have been just sort of armchair researching. And
Speaker 2: now I have the great, you know, honor and privilege
Speaker 2: of interviewing people who have spent a lot of time
Speaker 2: researching a lot of really amazing different things, and even
Speaker 2: just people like yourself who do similar things, people who
Speaker 2: experience weird stuff like yourself. And you know, I am
Speaker 2: no stranger to that world. I've had a few strange experiences,
Speaker 2: and some of them have led me to research Skull
Speaker 2: and Bones because I live in Connecticut, not too far
Speaker 2: away from New Haven, Connecticut, where Skull and Bones is located.
Speaker 2: So just being a college student, I ran into one
Speaker 2: person in particular who filled me in on a story
Speaker 2: that goes all the way back to the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 2: concerning Geronimo and the desecration of his grave by someone
Speaker 2: that everyone's heard of, Prescott Bush, the grandfather of George W.
Speaker 2: Bush and the father of George H. W. Bush. So
Speaker 2: you know this sort of troik of brilliant American people there, right,
Speaker 2: the Bush clan or dynasty, and they all have made
Speaker 2: a strong impression on not just American history, but New
Speaker 2: Haven's history as well. And I found myself in the
Speaker 2: former home of George H. W. Bush on the day
Speaker 2: he died not too long ago. I think he died
Speaker 2: it like a year before the whole plandemic situation happened.
Speaker 2: I think he died in like twenty eighteen, and I
Speaker 2: was just delivering pastries like I did every Tuesday morning.
Speaker 2: I looked down at the newspaper and boom, it says, hey,
Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush passed away today, former resident of
Speaker 2: New Haven, eighty eight Hillhouse Avenue. And that's exactly where
Speaker 2: I was. I'm like, eighty eight Hillhouse Avenue. I've been
Speaker 2: coming here every Tuesday and didn't I never knew that
Speaker 2: George H. W. Bush used to live in this place.
Speaker 2: It had become a US I'm sorry, a Yale University
Speaker 2: Economics department by then, so it just sort of had
Speaker 2: the probably the outside shell and maybe a little bit
Speaker 2: of the original decor but yeah, that synchronosity, synchronicity among
Speaker 2: others sort of snowballed into me eventually starting my podcast.
Speaker 2: And as you know, once you have a podcast going,
Speaker 2: it gives you, you know, not just a whole bunch
Speaker 2: of ideas, because you're just constantly talking to other people
Speaker 2: who are in that flow, that mindset of you know,
Speaker 2: discovery and exploration. So yeah, I figured, you know, I've
Speaker 2: been talking to a lot of different researchers, authors and
Speaker 2: even just you know, people who put together presentations on YouTube.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's as simple as that, and I want
Speaker 2: to kind of do sort of a little bit of
Speaker 2: all of those things. I don't know how skilled I
Speaker 2: am at writing, but it's a skill that i'd like
Speaker 2: to practice and hone in on. So yeah, I'm going
Speaker 2: to start with a couple of things that I mentioned earlier,
Speaker 2: But when it comes to Skull and Bones, I think
Speaker 2: the idea ultimately that we've decided myself and Jay Hanahan
Speaker 2: from the How to Kill a Sacred Cow podcast, he
Speaker 2: came down to one of the tours I gave of
Speaker 2: the New Haven area and he was like, Yeah, I
Speaker 2: think you really have something here, man. You know, he
Speaker 2: filmed a little bit of it. He's like, we should
Speaker 2: really put like a full length thing together, because his
Speaker 2: initial intention was to just film some stuff for social
Speaker 2: media and just be like, ooh, skull and Bones, you know.
Speaker 2: But as I was giving the tour, he's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we really have something here, and I'm like, well, what
Speaker 2: could we do? And I had just listened to really
Speaker 2: fantastic podcast called Penny Royal, which takes a sort of
Speaker 2: narrative approach to this sort of information over a course
Speaker 2: of different episodes in a series. So I think that's
Speaker 2: eventually gonna sort of become what this project is, fleshed
Speaker 2: out to be something like that, you know, not you know,
Speaker 2: exactly like Penny Royal. Obviously, we're sort of dealing with
Speaker 2: a different area of the country, a whole other set
Speaker 2: of topics, but I do take a lot of inspiration
Speaker 2: from that show. And yeah, I think that's a really
Speaker 2: cool innovation in the podcasting space, you know. So I've
Speaker 2: been doing stuff like that, ye just trying to diversify,
Speaker 2: I guess, but also finally have the time to work
Speaker 2: on some things like this.
Speaker 1: Well, man, that's a hell of a synchronicity with the
Speaker 1: whole Scull and Bones thing, and I can't wait to
Speaker 1: get into this and I'm actually gonna learn a lot
Speaker 1: today because I have not done much research into the
Speaker 1: actual Skull and Bones Secret Society. I've you know, secret
Speaker 1: society is in general, sure, but I don't really know
Speaker 1: much about this particular group and you know, the history
Speaker 1: and how it's connected to some of the things that
Speaker 1: you're gonna talk about tonight. So, like I said, I'm stoked,
Speaker 1: I'm ready to learn some stuff.
Speaker 3: So for the.
Speaker 1: Audience that may not be familiar with the Skull and
Speaker 1: Bones Society, could you just explain maybe a little bit
Speaker 1: brief history about them and you know where they are
Speaker 1: up until now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So, Scull and Bones was founded in eighteen thirty
Speaker 2: two by two gentlemen, one Alfonso Taft and another William
Speaker 2: Huntington Russell and after their sort of post junior year
Speaker 2: trips abroad studying in Germany. After they had spent the
Speaker 2: first three years of their college time studying at Yale,
Speaker 2: of course, they came back to Yale University for their
Speaker 2: senior year, and the assumption is that they joined something
Speaker 2: in Germany, which inspired a Skull and Bones chapter number
Speaker 2: two at Yale University so the alleged story, and this
Speaker 2: is pieced together by people like Anthony Sutton, who I
Speaker 2: recommend his books on Skull and Bones. He's done a
Speaker 2: lot of groundbreaking research into Skull and Bones. But that's
Speaker 2: where it starts. And you got to keep in mind
Speaker 2: that at that period in American history, we had just
Speaker 2: had the Morgan Affair, the crisis that created America's first
Speaker 2: third political party, which is the Anti Mason Party. Right,
Speaker 2: So this muckraking journalism of oh, the Freemasons are the worst,
Speaker 2: They're the evil, whether that's true or not, whichever stance
Speaker 2: you take on that. What happened because of that was
Speaker 2: a lot of these groups went underground or forfeited their secrecy.
Speaker 2: So we had the beginning of groups like Phi Beta
Speaker 2: Kappa or Delta Epsilon, whatever. All of these sort of
Speaker 2: fraternal organizations that made their way into the college system
Speaker 2: became what they were around this time because initially secret
Speaker 2: societies were fashionable. So secret societies were a part of
Speaker 2: mimicking the Greek system, right, the Greek system of learning,
Speaker 2: the mystery schools. As the universities were created, they had
Speaker 2: these mystery schools that came up to initiate those who
Speaker 2: were maybe better suited for the esoteric information than the
Speaker 2: average farm farmer's son or you know, ship captain's daughter.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So this is the kind of America they were creating,
Speaker 2: very slowly but surely, separating the elite from the layman.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And you see that happen in the universities with this
Speaker 2: secret society model, which shifts after the Masonic Crisis for
Speaker 2: lack of a better word, and they all go underground
Speaker 2: or like I said, become public organizations. Hence we have
Speaker 2: groups like the Shriners today, or the Elks lodge or
Speaker 2: the Lions Club. So a lot of these groups, you know,
Speaker 2: sort of find their history rooted at this moment in
Speaker 2: time where groups had to make a decision do we
Speaker 2: go underground or do we go public? And even the
Speaker 2: ones that went public still maintained a level of secrecy
Speaker 2: which lent itself to further on in history. I mean,
Speaker 2: this is all pre Civil War. You got to keep
Speaker 2: in mind, Skull and Bones was created pre Civil War.
Speaker 2: So America was an entirely different place back then, and
Speaker 2: we were fighting battles on the Western Front. We were
Speaker 2: fighting the Native Americans. When Scull and Bones was founded.
Speaker 2: The founder of Scull and Bones, William Russell, went on
Speaker 2: to found the National Guard in Connecticut, the first National
Speaker 2: Guard here in Connecticut. So they've had a military excuse me,
Speaker 2: they've had a heavy military association from the beginning. Not
Speaker 2: to mention. This summer abroad that was spent in Germany
Speaker 2: was spent at the University of Berlin, where a certain
Speaker 2: philosopher named Hegel was very prominent. He was very inspirational
Speaker 2: and Hegelian dialect is something that people in the conspiracy
Speaker 2: community they might be familiar with that phrase. It's the
Speaker 2: concept of problem reaction solution. You create the problem, to
Speaker 2: foam the reaction, and then impose a pre ordained solution.
Speaker 2: This was born in the Hegelian school of thought, which
Speaker 2: was very much influenced by the Austrian Prussian War. I
Speaker 2: mean Switzerland as well has this sort of same milieu
Speaker 2: going on. So these are the influences at play. They're
Speaker 2: coming into what is ostensibly a very Protestant organization, right.
Speaker 2: New Haven was founded by not just Protestants, but Puritans,
Speaker 2: like very devout non Catholic Christians, right, and they were
Speaker 2: also believers in the Book of Revelations. To a t.
Speaker 2: They even built New Haven's city square so that it
Speaker 2: was laid out in nine squares. In the center square
Speaker 2: had enough room to fit exactly one hundred and forty
Speaker 2: four thousand people, just like it says in the Book
Speaker 2: of revel Relations. So we see laid into the foundation
Speaker 2: of New Haven, this apocalyptic idea, this very sort of
Speaker 2: I mean New Haven New Heaven. Right, this is a
Speaker 2: not a coincidence either. So this is a perfect incubator
Speaker 2: for a group like Skull and Bones. You know, they
Speaker 2: came in there to Yale University, a university that was
Speaker 2: you know, Christianizing the savage, right, because we have, like
Speaker 2: I said, these wars going on on the Western Front.
Speaker 2: Well that war started on the East coast and made
Speaker 2: its way across the west, and groups like Yale University
Speaker 2: were a part of this movement to create the New Atlantis.
Speaker 2: And in order to create the New Atlantis, they had
Speaker 2: to dissuade future inhabitants of knowing a history that is
Speaker 2: anything but they're creation, right, So their alternate timeline that
Speaker 2: they created when they landed Christopher Columbus, this whole mythos
Speaker 2: the first Thanksgiving, This is how we see you know
Speaker 2: this sort of mental virus spreading across America, and it
Speaker 2: starts with groups like Harvard University. It starts with groups
Speaker 2: like Yale University and the people that were in power
Speaker 2: positions at the time of the founding of these two schools.
Speaker 2: And from those two schools we have the establishment of
Speaker 2: every other Ivy League school from Dartmouth to Cornell to Princeton.
Speaker 2: And it's no coincidence that most of them, aside from
Speaker 2: Dartmouth and Cornell, are all situated on the same ancient
Speaker 2: indigenous lay line, the Acadian lay line, which I know
Speaker 2: you've spoken to Peter Shampoo, so you might be familiar
Speaker 2: with his work in the Acadian lay line there. So
Speaker 2: what I'm supposing, what I'm suspicious of, is that there's
Speaker 2: a sort of carryover from the old world of this
Speaker 2: concept of building a new Rome or you know, conquering
Speaker 2: the Pagans, Right, you have to in order to conquer
Speaker 2: the Pagans, you have to build the new religious site
Speaker 2: on the old religious site. Right. So this is what
Speaker 2: happened here in the United States. They took the mounds,
Speaker 2: they gritted them, they destroyed them. A la ross Ben's work,
Speaker 2: and where I'm sort of going with this research is
Speaker 2: I think maybe Harvard and Yale and these groups sort
Speaker 2: of created the societies that did those practices. The Smithsonians,
Speaker 2: you know, these museum groups that went and collected all
Speaker 2: of these artifacts, and they're using those sacred objects to
Speaker 2: take the ancient spiritual ancestral inheritance away from the red
Speaker 2: man and supplant it.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: And we have the largest concentration of Petrick lyfts on
Speaker 2: the East coast in the Susquehanna River where I was
Speaker 2: just this past weekend, and one thing that really shocked
Speaker 2: me going there, and I didn't see the Petrick glyphs
Speaker 2: this time. I do plan on visiting them one day.
Speaker 2: But we went to the Susquehanna and we met with
Speaker 2: somebody who has visited the Petrick lifts several times. And
Speaker 2: the story he told is that the Petric glyfts on
Speaker 2: the Susquehanna River have multiple different cultures. They have Asian cultures,
Speaker 2: they have African cultures, they have indigenous American culture's writings
Speaker 2: in this stone, in this piece of granite that's in
Speaker 2: this ancient river. And take this story for what it's worth.
Speaker 2: It came from somebody who identifies as a leftist, so
Speaker 2: it would prepare people might get offended. But according to
Speaker 2: this story, the white race didn't show up. They never
Speaker 2: showed up to this patrick Lyft site when the ancient
Speaker 2: meeting place, you know. So whatever that's worth mythologically or symbolically,
Speaker 2: it's no coincidence that this site is not recognized by archaeologists.
Speaker 2: They don't recognize it as the largest concentration of patrick
Speaker 2: Lyft's east of the Mississippi. They don't want people to
Speaker 2: know how advanced the native cultures were on the east coast.
Speaker 2: So this is part of what you know, the university
Speaker 2: system has helped to do. But I think as time
Speaker 2: grew and their organizations grew, they took some of their
Speaker 2: more arcane and less you know, public things that they did,
Speaker 2: and they put them underground and delegated them to groups
Speaker 2: like Skull and Bones. And we have newspaper articles that
Speaker 2: I've come across when using archive dot org that talk
Speaker 2: about not just Geronimo's skull getting taken back to Skull
Speaker 2: and Bones, but other historical figures like the Apache Kid,
Speaker 2: who was another outlaw who you know, probably gave the
Speaker 2: US Army a hurtin and they had a big bounty
Speaker 2: on his head. And these Chicago businessmen went down on
Speaker 2: a hunting party and they happened to run across him,
Speaker 2: realized he was an outlaw, and they snuck up on
Speaker 2: him at night and killed him. And then they sent
Speaker 2: his skull and femur bones to Yale University. And this
Speaker 2: is in like the eighteen fifties. This isn't very short after,
Speaker 2: you know, or it's not very long after Skull and
Speaker 2: Bones has started, So it seems that something is going on.
Speaker 2: It's not just Native American people that have their skulls
Speaker 2: in the tomb at Skull and Bones in New Haven
Speaker 2: on High Street. Martin van Buren, who allegedly is the
Speaker 2: only president who's not related genealogically to the other presidents.
Speaker 2: He's the guy who created the phrase okay, which I
Speaker 2: think people use that phrase every day and they probably
Speaker 2: don't know where it comes from, but that came from him, okay.
Speaker 2: And then there's also someone named the Russian Lady who
Speaker 2: has a bar named after her here in New Haven.
Speaker 2: Not to mention, Geronimo also has a bar named after
Speaker 2: him in New Haven, a bar called Geronimo's of course,
Speaker 2: And and yeah, I mean, the list goes on and on.
Speaker 2: I don't know if there's a complete list out there anywhere,
Speaker 2: but you know, the legends, the myths are. There are
Speaker 2: multiple important figures from American history whose skulls now reside
Speaker 2: in the tomb. So why are they collecting these skulls?
Speaker 2: You know what sort of occult practices would maybe detail
Speaker 2: something like this. You know, do we have historical evidence
Speaker 2: for other groups using similar you know, things like using
Speaker 2: skulls for this similar things? And I found yes there are,
Speaker 2: But maybe before I keep going out, lets you ask
Speaker 2: a question or two.
Speaker 1: No, that's super fascinating. It makes me wonder about the
Speaker 1: how close a relationship, say Yale in some of these
Speaker 1: universities have with institutions like the Smithsonian who have been
Speaker 1: known to have covered up certain instances and evidence about
Speaker 1: indigenous people from our history. And not only that, you know,
Speaker 1: the giants and other things that they have completely rewritten.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, we have three figures. Daniel Gilman, who started
Speaker 2: John Hopkins University. He started the university, and when I
Speaker 2: say started, I should say he was the first president,
Speaker 2: because there are multiple people that go into creating an
Speaker 2: organization like that, So he was the first president of
Speaker 2: John Hopkins University, the first president of the University of California,
Speaker 2: his peer, his fellow graduate, Andrew White, was the founder
Speaker 2: of the Peace Body Society, among a bunch of others,
Speaker 2: I mean too many for me to recall. But these
Speaker 2: guys that graduated from Yale, and specifically Skull and Bones
Speaker 2: between the years of eighteen forty through the nineteen forties.
Speaker 2: I mean, these were the movers and shakers. They controlled
Speaker 2: everything we're talking about, you know, not just the military.
Speaker 2: We're talking about the oil industry. You know, we're talking
Speaker 2: about all of the East Coast connected families sending their
Speaker 2: children through Scull and Bones. And Skull and Bones is
Speaker 2: just one. I mean, there's nine secret societies within Yale.
Speaker 2: There's also its mirrored organization. You have Skull and Bones,
Speaker 2: S and B. Right, well, you also have B and
Speaker 2: S Book and Snake. So Book and Snake is on
Speaker 2: the opposite side of the High Street. So we have
Speaker 2: the beginning of High Street, which starts at the Native
Speaker 2: American Cultural Center. You go past down, past the Starbucks,
Speaker 2: past the Art Museum. It's a one way street and
Speaker 2: on your left you'll see High Street. You'll see the
Speaker 2: tomb right, and then you keep going and the road ends.
Speaker 2: You have to take a right turn onto another one
Speaker 2: way street, but there's a walking path that continues and
Speaker 2: it goes past Yale's Law School, it goes past the
Speaker 2: Book and Snake Tomb, which there are several tombs in
Speaker 2: New Haven. They're classified as tombs because they don't have windows.
Speaker 2: They're buildings without windows, so they have sort of like
Speaker 2: slits to let light in, but they don't have traditional windows.
Speaker 2: And at the end of this street that Scull and
Speaker 2: Bones's Tomb is situated on is the first cemetery in America.
Speaker 2: So sure there were burying grounds, for sure, there were
Speaker 2: like places where people were buried, but this was the
Speaker 2: first official cemetery with a paved sort of path. It
Speaker 2: was like the idea was that they were creating a
Speaker 2: garden of the dead. Right, there would be trees, there
Speaker 2: would be plants, there would be a path for people
Speaker 2: to walk, and every plot would have its own person
Speaker 2: buried in it. As opposed to before where they were
Speaker 2: saving space and burying people on top of each other,
Speaker 2: burying families together. This New Haven Cemetery was the first
Speaker 2: of its kind in America to be sort of like
Speaker 2: an elite cemetery, right, you know, you'd have like very
Speaker 2: wealthy people spending exuberant amounts of money on their gravestones.
Speaker 2: And to this day, you know, it has some really
Speaker 2: strange crips and tombs and obelisks dotting the different grave plots.
Speaker 2: And this is right at the end of the road
Speaker 2: from Skull and Bones. And we're told that Yale University
Speaker 2: has a tunnel system. So my thought has always been
Speaker 2: maybe there using these tombs to enter into the tunnel
Speaker 2: and then they walk around the tunnels under the street.
Speaker 2: I don't know, havn't gone that far yet. I haven't
Speaker 2: got splunking under New Hay, But it just feels to
Speaker 2: me like when you see this nine square grid, the
Speaker 2: way it's laid out, and I'll show you a screenshot
Speaker 2: or a screen share if you'll allow me to, because
Speaker 2: it's really fascinating and it brings to mind sort of
Speaker 2: type of sigil number magic. Have you ever seen the
Speaker 2: magic square? Yeah, so a magic square when you put
Speaker 2: the numerals one through nine in it, no matter how
Speaker 2: you slice it, it'll always equal the same sum. And
Speaker 2: this sum happens to be fifteen. Well, some people have
Speaker 2: said that fifteen is supposed to be connected to Saturn.
Speaker 2: One plus five equals six. We have multiple sort of
Speaker 2: layers of three three times six, six sixty six. So
Speaker 2: I'm not exactly an expert or you know, someone who
Speaker 2: goes too deeply on Jamatria, but this is there for
Speaker 2: somebody to decipher themselves. Also, you see this placement of
Speaker 2: the numbers. This wouldn't make sense, right. We're looking at
Speaker 2: a map that is oriented west on the top side
Speaker 2: of the map. Right in old times, they wouldn't orient
Speaker 2: them like we do today with the north being on
Speaker 2: the top. They'd orient it with the west being on
Speaker 2: the top. Right. So this is looking at new Haven
Speaker 2: from a sort of odd view, a sort of side view,
Speaker 2: I guess. And you would think that they would put
Speaker 2: the numbers in it one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
Speaker 2: eight nine if that's all it was. If it was
Speaker 2: just a grid meant to designate different parts of the city,
Speaker 2: why would the numbers be all over the place like
Speaker 2: this if it's not a sigil. And there's evidence of
Speaker 2: this because the only square in New Haven to this
Speaker 2: day that has a name is ninth Square, and it's
Speaker 2: right here, which would be counterintuitive. If you were just
Speaker 2: numbering them in numerical order, you wouldn't put the nine there.
Speaker 2: You would put it in a corner because that's where
Speaker 2: the number sequence ends. So that's where I think some
Speaker 2: sort of sigil magic is going on. And the guy
Speaker 2: who laid out John, or laid out New Haven's nine
Speaker 2: square grid, was named John Brockett. He was educated at Cambridge.
Speaker 2: He's related to a royal knight. He was a Connecticut
Speaker 2: General Assembly representative, and he also helped settle disputes between
Speaker 2: Indians and settlers. So not to mention, he was a
Speaker 2: surgeon as well, which in those days was synonymous with
Speaker 2: a shaman. Right, So like what we would consider a shaman,
Speaker 2: what we would consider a witch doctor a medicine man.
Speaker 2: It's the same thing as like a folk healer. They
Speaker 2: were all doing very similar things. And I mean, is
Speaker 2: it a coincidence that Yale University and Harvard have huge
Speaker 2: medical schools, you know? I mean they come to this
Speaker 2: new world, they absorb all the native consciousness's knowledge of plants,
Speaker 2: and then they go and boil them down alchemica, alchemized,
Speaker 2: you know, these plants and turn them into like little
Speaker 2: pills you know, and hook people on drugs and not
Speaker 2: to mention like the actual drug angle that Yale University
Speaker 2: was founded and named after a guy named Eli Yale,
Speaker 2: Elihu Yale, who is a member of the Dutch East
Speaker 2: India Company, a governor of the Dutch East India Company,
Speaker 2: a very wealthy guy. And that's drug trafficking right there.
Speaker 2: Those guys were going to China getting opium and bringing
Speaker 2: it back to Europe and America.
Speaker 1: So, man, I love this research. It kind of it
Speaker 1: goes back to to to kind of prove the notion
Speaker 1: that our forefathers were deeply involved in culled rituals magic.
Speaker 1: They had advanced knowledge of things like lay line and
Speaker 1: energies and sigil magic. And you know, again how deeply
Speaker 1: involved were our forefathers. And you know, we have arguments
Speaker 1: was for was it nefarious? Was it for control, mind
Speaker 1: control and enslavement of the race or did they have
Speaker 1: a different idea in mind? What do you think about that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: I think they were they were trying to carve out
Speaker 2: a new Atlantis. I think they had a lot of
Speaker 2: information going back thousands of years about what the new
Speaker 2: world was and they just gave us this impression that
Speaker 2: it was new. You know, we still call it the
Speaker 2: New World versus the Old World, and really, I mean,
Speaker 2: ancient history here goes back just as far as it
Speaker 2: does anywhere else on the planet. You know, if you
Speaker 2: look at the megaliths, the petroglyphs, I mean, and you
Speaker 2: start to date some of the archaeological finds that they
Speaker 2: have here on the North American continent, it's pretty obvious
Speaker 2: that people have been living in North America for a
Speaker 2: really long time, and South America seems even longer they
Speaker 2: were living there, which is counterintuitive because we're told that
Speaker 2: they all traveled over the Bearing Straight, which so many
Speaker 2: alternative researchers above my pedigree have pointed out, you know,
Speaker 2: ballacies to that narrative. So yeah, I'm pretty comfortable assuming
Speaker 2: and supposing that the English, the Dutch, the Spanish, they
Speaker 2: all knew what was going on in the New World
Speaker 2: and formulated a plan. You know, we have this story
Speaker 2: of the Spanish sort of coming on a very auspicious
Speaker 2: day wearing feathers, and you know the people there who
Speaker 2: they came up to, I can't remember whether it was
Speaker 2: the Aztec or the Maya, but they saw these people
Speaker 2: and they thought, oh, these are our gods. Look they
Speaker 2: have metal, scaly heads and feathers coming out. This is
Speaker 2: the plume serpent, you know. And I just I feel like,
Speaker 2: you know, that's too strange to be a coincidence. Whoever Cortes,
Speaker 2: I think it was he knew what he was doing
Speaker 2: when he put those feathers in his helmet. They knew
Speaker 2: to do that. They knew to dress a certain way
Speaker 2: because they were looking for gold. And I don't think
Speaker 2: gold is strictly of monetary value. I think it has
Speaker 2: a very clear technological value. Even in like our modern age.
Speaker 2: We're told that gold does really amazing things in space
Speaker 2: crafts and whatnot, if you believe in space. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just thought that was strange considering all the ancient
Speaker 2: alien stuff we hear about, right, and then we have
Speaker 2: all this gold in South America. So they knew about
Speaker 2: the situation in South and North America. There were Norse
Speaker 2: trades that went on, you know, the Iroquois Confederation, the
Speaker 2: Algonquin Confederation up in the northeast. They had similar dialects
Speaker 2: as the people who lived in Scandinavia and Ireland. So
Speaker 2: all this evidence that the Old World and the New
Speaker 2: World have been connected way before fourteen ninety two, right.
Speaker 2: I think that's really why they did this. You know,
Speaker 2: they had to rewrite history in order to justify it legally,
Speaker 2: in order to justify it with God and whatever that
Speaker 2: means to them. Because I'm not a Christian in the
Speaker 2: same way like Francis Bacon, or like the Jamestown settlers
Speaker 2: or the you know, Massachusetts Plymouth Bay settlers, Like they
Speaker 2: were a totally different type of spirituality than I am,
Speaker 2: in the sense that we have a more modern, universal,
Speaker 2: sort of overarching, kind of broad picture of many different spiritualities.
Speaker 2: They didn't have as many, So when they came here,
Speaker 2: they had a very biased opinion of what the native
Speaker 2: conciousness was and what they were doing, and that made
Speaker 2: for a lot of tragedy and conflict, and you know,
Speaker 2: there's no reconciling that. I don't want to become an
Speaker 2: apologist or even like a heroicist making the Native Americans
Speaker 2: out to be more than they were. I'm really just
Speaker 2: trying to see what the truth is so we can
Speaker 2: raise the awareness of this new Atlantis plan and take
Speaker 2: it away from those who are trying to anchor it
Speaker 2: in low vibration, and we can anchor it in a higher,
Speaker 2: more resonant organic in the sense that it is cohesive
Speaker 2: with the natural world. I think that's how the natural
Speaker 2: world normally works. It is a sort of suffering that
Speaker 2: creates growth. So it's like, these bad guys create this
Speaker 2: really bad system to enslave us all, and then the
Speaker 2: good guys come and flip that system upside down, and
Speaker 2: the system actually ends up helping everybody for some time,
Speaker 2: and then the bad guys take it over again. But hey,
Speaker 2: nothing's new under the sun, right, It's a constant cycle.
Speaker 1: Yes, it does seem to be cyclical in that manner.
Speaker 1: And I want to go back to the kind of
Speaker 1: secret anatomy of certain cities and places that seem to
Speaker 1: have certain mystical properties about them. I've come to learn
Speaker 1: through many different researchers that are there are many cities
Speaker 1: across just the United States that have these this kind
Speaker 1: of secret anatomy, This Masonic build and all these secret
Speaker 1: symbolisms throughout the streets, throughout the monuments, throughout the buildings.
Speaker 1: It's all interconnected in some way. Probably have underground shit
Speaker 1: going on there that we don't know about. But they
Speaker 1: definitely knew how to take advantage of the layout of
Speaker 1: certain cities to where it could have magical properties.
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, And I love that you use that
Speaker 2: phrase hidden anatomy of a city. I had never phrased
Speaker 2: it that way. That's a really brilliant way to put it.
Speaker 1: Well, I actually stole that from my friend Robert Homrich,
Speaker 1: who wrote a book about the hidden anatomy of Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. And all the symbolisms there. So I can't
Speaker 1: take credit for that, but thank you. But yeah, he
Speaker 1: was just recently on We're talking about that too. But
Speaker 1: it was a brilliant presentation about all the occult symbolism
Speaker 1: and all the connections between the layout of everything in Washington,
Speaker 1: d C. Is very fascinating, and I'm sure this applies
Speaker 1: to many cities across the United States.
Speaker 2: Undoubtedly, and I appreciate you bringing that to my attention.
Speaker 2: I'm going to check that interview out, and I hope
Speaker 2: people listening do too, because it's actually very much connected.
Speaker 2: I mean, Washington, d C. Is on that Katie and La.
Speaker 2: People wonder why it's sort of oriented as a diamond
Speaker 2: instead of just like a flat out square north south.
Speaker 2: I think that points to that same thing we were
Speaker 2: touching on earlier with like maps used to be oriented differently.
Speaker 2: But I've also seen Peter Shampoo's work and it looks
Speaker 2: like that Akkadian lay just goes right through the middle
Speaker 2: of the square, straight through the square, dividing it into
Speaker 2: equal halves. So maybe they're orienting it that way. In
Speaker 2: New Haven there is a tall building. I think it's
Speaker 2: a banking building, like Key Bank has their bank in
Speaker 2: there now and they have their logo on the side,
Speaker 2: but it hasn't always been theirs. And on top of
Speaker 2: it is an exact replica of the three pyramids at
Speaker 2: Teotia Kan. Right, you have these three pyramids next to
Speaker 2: each other. Well on the roof of this building, overlooking
Speaker 2: the new Haven Green that I described earlier has enough
Speaker 2: room for one hundred and forty four thousand souls to
Speaker 2: be you know, saved in the last coming right above
Speaker 2: it is this rooftop which has you know, just straight
Speaker 2: up three pyramids. I mean, you can't miss it when
Speaker 2: you look at it. And I've never really made the
Speaker 2: connection until Peter pointed it out because he's been on
Speaker 2: this lay line stuff for a long time. But one
Speaker 2: thing I've always wondered about with Haven, And I'll share
Speaker 2: my screen again and show you one more thing. Is
Speaker 2: there these interesting like walking paths in New Haven on
Speaker 2: the green and they're sort of shaped like pentagrams. So
Speaker 2: I was wondering, like, oh, is this a pentagram? You know,
Speaker 2: skull and bones, satanic you know, YadA YadA. But I
Speaker 2: as much as they look like pentagrams, I'm almost wondering
Speaker 2: now if in the same way that the whole city
Speaker 2: is a nine square grid like this, maybe the sigil
Speaker 2: is using those paths to connect different values that each
Speaker 2: square has, right, So they're sort of like tracing it
Speaker 2: across the center area and making a larger pattern that
Speaker 2: you can kind of like put over the walking paths
Speaker 2: and be like, oh, okay, that makes sense, kind of
Speaker 2: like fitting in a puzzle piece, right. I Mean, it's
Speaker 2: not as easy to see in this picture because of
Speaker 2: the trees, but you can kind of see there. The
Speaker 2: paths go all the way across the park on both sides,
Speaker 2: and on the other side of the park is three
Speaker 2: churches that have been there since pretty much the beginning
Speaker 2: of the settlement, and at its founding, New Haven was
Speaker 2: the wealthiest colony to that date in America to be founded,
Speaker 2: so it's always had a sort of elite air to it.
Speaker 2: And then not to mention this third church right here,
Speaker 2: the Trinity Church, This is a crypt. The whole of
Speaker 2: the green has bodies buried underneath it. And underneath this
Speaker 2: church they preserved the original cemetery floor because you know,
Speaker 2: they kept adding dirt, adding dirt to the green and
Speaker 2: raising it. And now recently there was a hurricane and
Speaker 2: a tree was taken over and a skeleton was brought
Speaker 2: up from the roots of the tree as it was
Speaker 2: knocked over, So that that gives you an idea. There's
Speaker 2: I think they wrote there's like six thousand bodies estimated
Speaker 2: to be buried underneath the green. And you might have
Speaker 2: seen in that picture in the lower right hand corner,
Speaker 2: like they do music festivals all summer on that green.
Speaker 2: And my girlfriend Tara, before we started dating, she actually
Speaker 2: had like a vision on the green, which we talk
Speaker 2: about a little bit in this project I'm working on.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's really strange, man Like, I don't think
Speaker 2: that it's a coincidence that they build places like this
Speaker 2: with dead bodies underneath it. They're using their souls to
Speaker 2: like fuel the energy somehow like a necromantic temple.
Speaker 1: You know, man, that is crazy, man, I want to
Speaker 1: go back to the actual skull and Bones and other fraturners.
Speaker 1: He's In general, they obviously seem to not only attract
Speaker 1: a certain type of individual, mostly psychopathic, but they seem
Speaker 1: to you know, probably breed people for multi generational attendance
Speaker 1: for these major secret societies. I'm sure that there's people
Speaker 1: that are born into families that know that they're just
Speaker 1: gonna be in one of these fraternities when they get
Speaker 1: to a certain age, are going to be doing this
Speaker 1: when they get to a certain age, and they're gonna be,
Speaker 1: you know, in this elite position. So it's a multi
Speaker 1: generational type of thing that's been going on forever. And
Speaker 1: I wonder, you know, there's people going through these fraternities
Speaker 1: and coming out of them every day. They're spitting out
Speaker 1: new little psychopaths every day that are going to be
Speaker 1: in different institutions, different in things like politics, into Silicon
Speaker 1: Valley and the technical world, and different corporations, pharmaceuticals. So
Speaker 1: they're still pumping out these guys every day from these
Speaker 1: secret societies. And I'm sure the ideologies that they've been
Speaker 1: teaching these hasn't changed much since like the Bush days,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it definitely has that like puritanical vibe of like,
Speaker 2: you know, we are the saved ones and everyone else
Speaker 2: is damned to you know, hell fire. It's like this
Speaker 2: really interesting, almost evangelical I'm not totally up on all
Speaker 2: of the correct terms in Christianity. I'm slowly learning the
Speaker 2: nuances and the differences, but if my understanding is correct,
Speaker 2: new Haven was founded with this hyper Calvinist energy, which
Speaker 2: is like it's a form of Calvinism, but it's like
Speaker 2: super focused on like really just like feeling ashamed of
Speaker 2: eternal sin, right, original sin, and like everything, like you're
Speaker 2: so screwed, you know, you have to make every day
Speaker 2: of your life about appeasing God and like. But it
Speaker 2: sort of creates this reverse psych where people are like, well,
Speaker 2: if I'm so evil already, I'm just gonna be evil
Speaker 2: and I'll make up for it tomorrow on Sunday kind
Speaker 2: of thing like sinner today, saint tomorrow.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: And you even have this image on the building in
Speaker 2: New Haven itself, this like juxtaposition on the Yale Law School.
Speaker 2: There's a man clutching a bible, sort of hunched over
Speaker 2: and like you could see nothing. Next to him, he's
Speaker 2: just dress playing and clutching a bible with like all
Speaker 2: his strength. And then to his back is another figure
Speaker 2: hunched over holding a drink that says like xxx. He
Speaker 2: has like a smoking pipe on his boot, he's got
Speaker 2: like gambling cards on his lap, he's got like a
Speaker 2: skull next to his shoulder. Like really strange iconography to
Speaker 2: be on law school, let alone the law school that
Speaker 2: both Bill and Hillary Clinton graduated from. But yeah, so
Speaker 2: it's it's sort of like the yin Yang of the
Speaker 2: city to me, like they're encouraging this like avity while
Speaker 2: also chastising it through their like elite law school.
Speaker 1: I wonder how much of that is like just a
Speaker 1: front to say that they're they have this kind of
Speaker 1: religious backing or spiritual backing when it's all just bullshit.
Speaker 1: They they portray it a certain way when behind closed
Speaker 1: doors they don't believe any of it, and they're you know,
Speaker 1: doing butt stuff in Satanic rituals exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like it's a wolf in sheep's clothing, you know,
Speaker 2: or a wolf in priest clothing, you know, I think
Speaker 2: that that was sort of something I learned a little
Speaker 2: bit about on my weekend in Lancaster County, like the Amish,
Speaker 2: learning about how you know, they're very strict about their lifestyle,
Speaker 2: but they also have these loopholes. They got telephones that
Speaker 2: they use, you know that they got these like Amish
Speaker 2: telephones now, and they're like, you know, they're in a box,
Speaker 2: so they can't like I don't know, like there's all
Speaker 2: these like rules with their tech, like they can't have
Speaker 2: wires exposed something that gets a loophole around, so they
Speaker 2: could use the telephone, but they can't use electricity. It's
Speaker 2: it's such a weird, but that's that's the level that
Speaker 2: we're talking about here of like you know, rules for
Speaker 2: we and not the or or sort of even kind
Speaker 2: of like playing with the fluidity of your own beliefs
Speaker 2: while presenting a very rigid set of beliefs. Like the
Speaker 2: Amish have charms, they do pow wow magic, they have
Speaker 2: you know, all kinds of curses that I'm sure they
Speaker 2: cast on their enemies. So like they're not exactly like
Speaker 2: the most pure, like pure to the book type Christians.
Speaker 2: They're very occult, you know, I have a book that
Speaker 2: Michael Wan gave me, Witchcraft in America, The Realness of
Speaker 2: Witchcraft in America, and it focuses on the sort of
Speaker 2: Amish pow wow hex magic that they have in Pennsylvania.
Speaker 2: Sort of a privilege. Mike cook me up with a
Speaker 2: bunch of books on my trip to see them. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that was that's sort of along the same lines. And
Speaker 2: those people that settled the Amish country, they were Germans.
Speaker 2: They were very strict, very similar to the people that
Speaker 2: founded the New Haven Colony. And you know, it's like
Speaker 2: a time capsule, like they've sort of existed a similar
Speaker 2: way for a long time. I mean, like I said,
Speaker 2: they have the telephone loophole and all this other stuff
Speaker 2: now that makes them a little more modern. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I did feel like it was no accident that I
Speaker 2: ended up there. I mean I didn't really plan on
Speaker 2: going to Lancaster County for any other reason than to
Speaker 2: visit Michael Ian. But yeah, going there synchronistically, I learned
Speaker 2: things that are fitting into my Skull and Bones research.
Speaker 2: And that's just bound to happen. You know, anybody listening
Speaker 2: to this, when you go and look into the weird,
Speaker 2: hidden history of your own backyard. You're gonna find strange
Speaker 2: stuff and you're gonna find parallels to that in other places,
Speaker 2: which is why you know, listening to me talk about
Speaker 2: this might excite something in you or whoever is listening.
Speaker 2: I know you're going on a a hell of a trip.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've already left or you've done so.
Speaker 1: Filming first, but we're getting we're getting started right on.
Speaker 2: Well cool, Yeah, and I think that's you know, something
Speaker 2: that you're going to see for sure, like the synchronicity
Speaker 2: of the road and finding yourself in places that maybe
Speaker 2: you weren't aware of had this occult energy.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Man, that's it's so crazy. I'm sure any visit
Speaker 1: with Michael Wan is going to bring tons of synchronicities.
Speaker 1: I love Michael and I love the work he's doing
Speaker 1: as well. So what is it exactly that did bring
Speaker 1: you to to Amish Country and to visit there?
Speaker 2: Well, Mike is staying at a place called Gnome Countryside.
Speaker 2: It has an Airbnb within it, So people listening, if
Speaker 2: you want to go and taste it yourself and get
Speaker 2: out and like experience this, it's not hard at all.
Speaker 2: Just go for it. Actually put the Airbnb link. In
Speaker 2: the episode description of the show, Mike and I do
Speaker 2: Together called Your Handbook for the Apocalypse, But that's what
Speaker 2: brought us there. Him and I co host a show together,
Speaker 2: and it consists of phone calls between him and I
Speaker 2: using my mixer. I'll call him up and he'll either
Speaker 2: be like hiking or driving or just like walking around
Speaker 2: talking on the phone, and that's our podcast. For him,
Speaker 2: it's kind of like a like a relief because as
Speaker 2: much as he enjoys being on podcasts over and over
Speaker 2: and over again, being in front of a computer sort
Speaker 2: of drained him a little bit. So like the less
Speaker 2: zoom meetings the better kind of thing. So our podcast
Speaker 2: has like a different feeling to it. It's not always
Speaker 2: the most polished because it is a phone call, but
Speaker 2: you know, just talking to him every week, we kind
Speaker 2: of built this like synchronistic rapport, as you do with friends,
Speaker 2: Like things start happening in your life and the life
Speaker 2: and you sort of come together. And that's exactly what
Speaker 2: happened on this trip. We drove down there and we
Speaker 2: went to get coffee and I said, let's do you
Speaker 2: know some randomness, Let's pick where we're gonna go but
Speaker 2: let's be random. Let's not like think about it. Let's
Speaker 2: just let it come to us, right. So Mike was
Speaker 2: initially inspired by that and was like, I.
Speaker 3: Got an idea.
Speaker 2: Let me look at your charts. So he looks at
Speaker 2: our charts and we're kind of sitting there and then
Speaker 2: he's like, Okay, take a thing out of a bag.
Speaker 2: He's got, like this really awesome and I would love
Speaker 2: for him to describe this. So I don't want to
Speaker 2: talk about it too much. But the starboard that he has,
Speaker 2: he's now going to be very soon selling smaller your
Speaker 2: own version of a starboards so you can buy your
Speaker 2: own starboard. So he gave us the game pieces and
Speaker 2: we're kind of like fiddling around or pulling one out
Speaker 2: game piece might not be the bestest term for it,
Speaker 2: but we pulled one out that had a Saturn symbol
Speaker 2: and one out that had a Neptune symbol, and Mike
Speaker 2: did some like astrological calculations and was like, let's go
Speaker 2: to the Serpentine barrens. I'm like, okay, let's do it.
Speaker 2: So we drove to the Serpentine barrens, and I mean,
Speaker 2: if you don't know what serpentine barrens are they're very
Speaker 2: strange places where the geology is all this certain type
Speaker 2: of stone called serpentine, which makes for only certain types
Speaker 2: of plants being able to grow there. And in the
Speaker 2: East Coast we have a bunch of pretty much like
Speaker 2: lush like woodlands, like a lot of like weeds and like,
Speaker 2: especially this time of year, the overgrowth is like thick,
Speaker 2: you know, but here it was like grassy, you know,
Speaker 2: sparse trees. Probably looks like like Texas, a little bit
Speaker 2: like Eastern Texas. The way it's kind of like scrablands,
Speaker 2: scabland kind of uh, I don't know the right term
Speaker 2: for it. But we end up in this like weird,
Speaker 2: strange place, lightning storms like on the horizon, and then
Speaker 2: I get a strange message on Instagram that's like somebody
Speaker 2: trying to channel us about this, like goddess named talk
Speaker 2: and I'm like, huh, you know, like I'm not doing
Speaker 2: this story justice, but all these things like came together
Speaker 2: in this way, and uh, once Mike and I get
Speaker 2: on the podcast will probably break it down one by one.
Speaker 2: But yeah, just exploring and like having an experience in
Speaker 2: the you know, outside of the frames of conventional time
Speaker 2: because so many people like they go out and they
Speaker 2: schedule their day like ABCDE then we're gonna do this,
Speaker 2: We're gonna eat like we really like we're as unprepared
Speaker 2: and unorganized as possible. But we had a great time
Speaker 2: and we made it back to the truck before it
Speaker 2: started downpouring, just in time. I'm we went down to
Speaker 2: this part of the Susquehanna River where they have all
Speaker 2: these big rock islands that you can kind of like
Speaker 2: jump along. It's just, you know, might take a little
Speaker 2: more reflecting because I just got back last night before
Speaker 2: I have like sort of like a silver lining to
Speaker 2: the trip. But yeah, so far, you know, that's that's
Speaker 2: what stands out. And I got to speak to an
Speaker 2: Amish person for a little bit, which was cool. He
Speaker 2: came by on his horse and buggy and asked me
Speaker 2: where I was from.
Speaker 1: Man, it's the Amish that do the the rum Springer thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Amish is like a sort of it's like a
Speaker 2: I don't think they consider themselves. They don't call themselves
Speaker 2: that name. They call themselves Menonites, and there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of different types of Menonites. I think there might be
Speaker 2: other groups that are similar to the Mennonites that don't
Speaker 2: go by that word, but yeah, they're they're they're the
Speaker 2: same ones that do rumspringer And I'm almost certain that, like,
Speaker 2: like to the point about the telephone, like they do
Speaker 2: some wild stuff, Like some of them do rumspring and
Speaker 2: never come back, like they just become like normal American citizens,
Speaker 2: or they become like homeless drug addicts, which is kind
Speaker 2: of sad. But yeah, there was some kind of documentary
Speaker 2: about that that I saw a few years ago. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know too much about that, but they did
Speaker 2: seem like, like Mike Wan said, they're like cats, like
Speaker 2: you got to be you know, they're friendly, they'll wave,
Speaker 2: but you could scare them off real easily.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 2: That is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's like a whole different type of world when you're
Speaker 1: interacting with that stuff. Now, before we move on to
Speaker 1: some of the other stuff you're working on, any any
Speaker 1: other interesting tidbits that you found out about Skull and
Speaker 1: Bones or anything else you'd like to share about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I mean what we just kind of talked
Speaker 2: about is a little bit about what I'm doing with
Speaker 2: the scene. So if you want, we can go back
Speaker 2: to the scull and bones stuff, or we could stay
Speaker 2: on the scene. But the skull and bones. Yeah, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's a lot. There's so much that I couldn't spend
Speaker 2: more than one or two episodes talking about. It's going
Speaker 2: to be a whole series, probably be an entirely separate
Speaker 2: podcast from my family thinks I'm crazy. And so far,
Speaker 2: we've already had a couple really interesting guests that we've interviewed.
Speaker 2: Troy McLaughlin has added some of his research to the project.
Speaker 2: My friend Donut, He's got a really cool YouTube channel,
Speaker 2: Donut hit us with some scull and bone symbolism in
Speaker 2: pop culture. So we're starting off, you know, one by one,
Speaker 2: and it is going to be a visual documentary too,
Speaker 2: So there's gonna be like a podcast and a video
Speaker 2: documentary that goes with it. So high hopes, big plans,
Speaker 2: but I think Jay and I can accomplish it. And
Speaker 2: and yeah, I mean I've done a couple of interviews
Speaker 2: like this one on topic so so far, I mean,
Speaker 2: there's so much information that I've sort of spit out
Speaker 2: about this that we're going to kind of compile it
Speaker 2: into a narrative and weave it into something that won't
Speaker 2: be your traditional take on Scull and Bones. It'll it'll
Speaker 2: really sort of highlight a secret side of colonial history
Speaker 2: that has a you know, grip on the institutions that
Speaker 2: we think of as modern today, and they're really not.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're they're superstitious and and you know, megal imania,
Speaker 2: megaloman maniacal, that's the word I've been thinking of.
Speaker 1: Well, do you think at its core, like organizations like
Speaker 1: Scull and Bones and fraternities that are actually around still today,
Speaker 1: do you think that they still carry around some of
Speaker 1: these old ideologies at their heart and like I was
Speaker 1: saying earlier, kind of turning out these same type of
Speaker 1: individuals because they kept this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think people are at mass initiated now. And
Speaker 2: what happens is the majority of us go through life,
Speaker 2: not you and I most likely not the people who
Speaker 2: tune into this podcast, but the majority of human beings,
Speaker 2: at least in America and the Western world, go through
Speaker 2: life in a sort of sleeping initiation. They've been initiated
Speaker 2: into these esoteric ideas that they're asleep too. They're not
Speaker 2: aware of them, but they respond unconsciously to them and
Speaker 2: joining an organization like Skull and Bones, joining an organization
Speaker 2: like the Masons, or walking your own path and coming
Speaker 2: up to a place like this where you know, we're
Speaker 2: listening to this podcast, or you and I were participating
Speaker 2: in this podcast right, Like these are ways to wake up.
Speaker 2: So I think when they've created the situation where most
Speaker 2: people are asleep, it gives groups like Skull and Bones
Speaker 2: a tremendous power because if you're the one who's responsible
Speaker 2: for waking someone up, that person will give you their loyalty, right,
Speaker 2: And I think that's what is kind of like with
Speaker 2: the podcasting, Like we're all in this community together because
Speaker 2: we see the world for what it is. We might
Speaker 2: not all agree on what we're seeing, but for the
Speaker 2: most part, people listen to these conspiracy podcasts like we're
Speaker 2: kind of initiated into a thing too. Like most the
Speaker 2: average person listens to a podcast like this, and they
Speaker 2: don't really have any like context to grab to, Like
Speaker 2: they're like, what's going on? What are these people talking about?
Speaker 2: They sound paranoid, you know, and maybe that's the way
Speaker 2: it's supposed to be, you know, maybe they're not ready
Speaker 2: for the information yet. But I think that's kind of
Speaker 2: what's going on, is that they give people a sort
Speaker 2: of esteem that makes them feel better than other people,
Speaker 2: especially going to a school like Yale University or Harvard
Speaker 2: University or Cambridge or Oxford. I mean the age of
Speaker 2: these schools, the the wealth, the layout, right, the secret anatomy.
Speaker 2: I mean, these things are palpable when you're walking in
Speaker 2: the city. Not to mention, it's the Elm city, which
Speaker 2: the Elm tree has its own occult significance. It's also
Speaker 2: related to the planet Saturn. So yeah, I think they
Speaker 2: They definitely create a sort of atmosphere that lends to
Speaker 2: hierarchy that resembles the pyramid, and that's their symbol for
Speaker 2: a reason. You know, this pyramidal consciousness. I for one,
Speaker 2: I think all of us should be in a circular consciousness,
Speaker 2: a whole equal consciousness, you know, people holding hands in
Speaker 2: a full circle, not you know, one man on top
Speaker 2: standing on the shoulders of everyone else. Right, So this
Speaker 2: is how they maintain that, keeping people asleep, and they
Speaker 2: need pawns, They need people to take their place when
Speaker 2: they die, so they use groups like scull and Bones
Speaker 2: to maintain this elite hierarchy. You know, and I've known
Speaker 2: about the elite hierarchy, but I'm not saying it's only
Speaker 2: Skull and Bones, you know what I mean. Like, again,
Speaker 2: we're sort of in this stupor this sleep, and we
Speaker 2: recognize things like, oh, there's an elite agenda, and people
Speaker 2: want to get into these camps of like oh, but
Speaker 2: it's this group and only this group. And what I
Speaker 2: hope to show with Skull and Bones is and this
Speaker 2: project is that it's not one group or another group.
Speaker 2: It's the system itself. It's the society itself that creates
Speaker 2: this atmosphere, this you know, momentum of energy that goes
Speaker 2: in a certain direction, and all they have to do
Speaker 2: is set the wheels in motion, and they end up
Speaker 2: on the upswing and everyone else ends up on the
Speaker 2: downward spiral. And thanks to podcasts like yours and the
Speaker 2: one I do, I hope people can begin to spiral upwards,
Speaker 2: you know, and spiral out of that downward spiral and
Speaker 2: into a sort of higher state of awareness, in a
Speaker 2: higher state of consciousness.
Speaker 1: Man, I think that that's exactly what's happening with people
Speaker 1: right now. There are so many wonderful podcasts that I'm
Speaker 1: listening to now that didn't even exist a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago. So so many people talking about this stuff
Speaker 1: and building their own new systems, help building their own farms,
Speaker 1: their own businesses, their own forms of entertainment. So people
Speaker 1: are starting there like a new society under the crumbling
Speaker 1: one that we have. So it gives me hope that
Speaker 1: a lot of people are indeed awakening and we may
Speaker 1: even be the majority of individuals that are on the
Speaker 1: right side of history. So that makes me happy as well.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about another project you got going on. It's
Speaker 1: like you have a travel guide or something, right, Yeah, So.
Speaker 2: What I did driving down to Lancaster was sort of
Speaker 2: like an experiment. You know, I've only been able to
Speaker 2: navigate this far for only five or six years. I mean,
Speaker 2: I've been driving since I was eighteen, but most of
Speaker 2: the cars I had up until I was twenty five
Speaker 2: couldn't make it out of my own town, let alone
Speaker 2: the state. Like I was driving junker cars, and you know,
Speaker 2: once I got a car that could actually make it
Speaker 2: out of state, I was like, WHOA, this freedom is exhilarating.
Speaker 2: Where do I go though, Like what do I do?
Speaker 2: And I end up finding places synchronistically because my goal
Speaker 2: was to just keep driving because I didn't want to
Speaker 2: be home. I didn't want to. I lived at my
Speaker 2: dad's place back then, so as much time as I
Speaker 2: could spend away from home, get back home when he
Speaker 2: was sleeping.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: If I had like a day off from work or something,
Speaker 2: I would not spend the day at home. I would
Speaker 2: get in the car, drive, listen to podcasts, and then
Speaker 2: come back when he was asleep, just because it's just
Speaker 2: the way my dad and I our relationship at that
Speaker 2: point in time, and not a very good one, more
Speaker 2: of a contentious one.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So escapism, sure, but I'm exploring and I'm dealing with
Speaker 2: some like really deep emotions. I'm dealing with, like what
Speaker 2: am I going to do with the rest of my life?
Speaker 2: You know, like I don't have a you know, savings,
Speaker 2: I don't have investment in some sort of education. I
Speaker 2: just have my own experience to go off of. And
Speaker 2: I start finding these places and I realized, like there
Speaker 2: is something that's going on on these journeys, and it's
Speaker 2: like it's like dream walking because when I was driving,
Speaker 2: I was able to tap into a state of consciousness
Speaker 2: that I think people who are athletic or maybe even
Speaker 2: martial arts like yoga, different breathing techniques, like people can
Speaker 2: tap into this type of consciousness aside from driving. But ever,
Speaker 2: for the most part, like many people can relate to driving, right,
Speaker 2: Not every nobody drives, I understand that, but many people
Speaker 2: can relate to that feeling even riding a bike too.
Speaker 2: It's sort of like your body takes over and your
Speaker 2: mind is allowed to wander. And this is like a
Speaker 2: dream walking And what I want to provide for people
Speaker 2: with this book is some tips and some tricks, maybe
Speaker 2: some clues to begin the process themselves of dream walking
Speaker 2: and how to actually go about planning a day from
Speaker 2: this dreaming state of consciousness. So instead of being so
Speaker 2: logical about things like, well, I'm going to be hungry
Speaker 2: at this point, so I want to pack this. And
Speaker 2: like any time I've ever tried to plan for something,
Speaker 2: it's not worked out, And I think other people can
Speaker 2: probably relate to that, like that idea of like I
Speaker 2: tried to plan and it just didn't work out the
Speaker 2: way I thought it would. And maybe some people have
Speaker 2: mastered the art of like following through with plans, But
Speaker 2: I think there's a sort of fun in dealing with
Speaker 2: what happens.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: This is sort of like hit bumping the road and
Speaker 2: you got to you know, figure it out from there.
Speaker 2: So that's really what the scene Edition one is going
Speaker 2: to be about. It's going to be about how to
Speaker 2: gain the awareness and to tune your focus to you know,
Speaker 2: what's really important as opposed to the mundanity of your life.
Speaker 2: Set your intention, designated time so that your family or
Speaker 2: your obligations aren't going to get in the way. I
Speaker 2: know people with kids might not be able to do this.
Speaker 2: If you're if you're lucky, you can, you know, let
Speaker 2: the kids stay with the you know, parents for a
Speaker 2: day or something, or your relatives that you trust, whatever.
Speaker 2: But this is something best spent alone or with your
Speaker 2: loved one, like your you know, your significant other, and
Speaker 2: you want to figure out a way that's comfortable to
Speaker 2: impose randomness. So this app, random Knots was popular for
Speaker 2: a while. I never had any success with it. I
Speaker 2: couldn't figureigure out how the app worked. Maybe I'm just
Speaker 2: you know, a luddite or something, but not for me.
Speaker 2: I think people could use that app in this sort
Speaker 2: of way, and I think that's what the app was
Speaker 2: made for. But I found that you can use dice,
Speaker 2: you can use a coin, you can use really anything
Speaker 2: to provoke randomness in your decision making. And like, for instance,
Speaker 2: if you're coming on a road and you have several options,
Speaker 2: have a dice in a cup and roll the dice
Speaker 2: and just designate one fork in the road odds and
Speaker 2: the other one evens. Roll that dice in the cup
Speaker 2: so you're not like looking all over your car for
Speaker 2: the dice, and then just say, okay, we got odds.
Speaker 2: We're going to take a left. And that's where you go,
Speaker 2: and you see where you end up, and you're aware
Speaker 2: of the signs, the things that are on the road,
Speaker 2: maybe historical markers. Those are something that I always look
Speaker 2: out for to tell you about like the history.
Speaker 3: Of the place.
Speaker 2: And then really the fun is afterwards when you get
Speaker 2: home and you're like, okay, why did I go there?
Speaker 2: What brought me out to that place? And you start
Speaker 2: looking into the history and you're like, oh, wow, there
Speaker 2: used to be like this weird factory over there. Now
Speaker 2: it's shut down, and in the seventeen hundreds people were
Speaker 2: doing this, and you start to put piece the story
Speaker 2: of your backyard together and then the next time you
Speaker 2: go out now you have sort of idea of what
Speaker 2: was there, and maybe you go back to there and
Speaker 2: you find something new, maybe you go to an entirely new,
Speaker 2: different place. I mean, it's literally endless possibilities. I think
Speaker 2: people have trouble with getting in the right mind state
Speaker 2: to be able to find this stuff. And it's not difficult.
Speaker 2: You know, people probably do it by accident more often
Speaker 2: than not. And maybe someone will get this book and
Speaker 2: be like, oh, I already knew this. But not only
Speaker 2: are are you going to get kind of primed to
Speaker 2: go on your own journeys, but I want to also
Speaker 2: include different symbols and things that I've found in the
Speaker 2: natural world. And maybe these symbols might not mean the
Speaker 2: same for you, and especially if you don't live in
Speaker 2: the same place as me, because they're like plants, animals, minerals,
Speaker 2: those are all very specific to certain places. But these
Speaker 2: things come to us on our journeys as symbols, as omens,
Speaker 2: and and you'll see a bird that's significant, or you'll
Speaker 2: encounter an animal running across the road that's significant. I mean,
Speaker 2: two weeks ago, Tara and I saw bobcat crossing the road,
Speaker 2: and then this week, you know, we ended up on
Speaker 2: Wildcat Island in the Susquehanna River. I don't think that
Speaker 2: that's a coincidence. If I hadn't found out that that
Speaker 2: was called Wildcat Island, I would have never known. I
Speaker 2: had to look at the map, right. So it's kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know, a mix of different skills, and
Speaker 2: it's meant to be fun, and it's meant to give
Speaker 2: people a sort of an answer to like the weirdness
Speaker 2: of life in the past two years, Like you can't
Speaker 2: you can't like go to six Flags and experience freedom
Speaker 2: the way you could in twenty fifteen, like going to
Speaker 2: a roller coaster or amusement park might have been fun,
Speaker 2: but for me now, like I don't want to do
Speaker 2: anything that has to do with other people. I don't
Speaker 2: want to see anyone wearing a mask. I want to
Speaker 2: get out into nature and do fun stuff, and I
Speaker 2: think this is a great way to do that. And
Speaker 2: you don't have to go into a state park or
Speaker 2: even a national park. You could just drive around man
Speaker 2: and find a place. I mean, there's so many little
Speaker 2: pockets of wilderness in your own town or in your county,
Speaker 2: and places with history too. I mean, even if it's
Speaker 2: not like a spectacular vista or something like maybe something
Speaker 2: really strange went down in this area. I saw a
Speaker 2: sign while Mike, Tara and I were driving to those
Speaker 2: Serpentine Serpentine Barons that said something about a kidnapping. A
Speaker 2: woman named Mary Parker was kidnapped, and this was part
Speaker 2: of the sort of anti slave movement. They got a
Speaker 2: big sign on the side of the road. Oh, the
Speaker 2: eighteen fifties, Mary Parker was kidnapped here, you know. And
Speaker 2: it's things like that that you just come across and
Speaker 2: take them into consideration, and then in hindsight you kind
Speaker 2: of put a story together, you know, don't see what
Speaker 2: happens is a lot like what Michael Wan talks about too.
Speaker 2: I gotta give him credit because he is a big inspiration,
Speaker 2: of course, given that we went down and hung out
Speaker 2: with him this past weekend and I do a podcast
Speaker 2: with him, So yeah, he's a He's a huge inspiration
Speaker 2: for me.
Speaker 1: Man. I love that years one hundred percent spot on. See,
Speaker 1: I only do road trips. I'll never fly again. I
Speaker 1: don't want to do anything but be in control. I
Speaker 1: love driving. I don't even really like being a passenger
Speaker 1: that much. I will have I have to, but I
Speaker 1: really love driving. I love driving across country and there
Speaker 1: is this like mystical experience and so many synchronicities happen
Speaker 1: on the road with animals and trees and road signs
Speaker 1: and just nature the beauty of it. It's it's like
Speaker 1: it is a very spiritual experience for me taking a
Speaker 1: road trip and doing things like that. I love the
Speaker 1: idea of doing that, and that's one of the reasons
Speaker 1: why I moved out to where I do, because man,
Speaker 1: there's so many places to explore out here in the Rockies.
Speaker 1: We live about a mile from the foothills. There's like
Speaker 1: little abandoned ghost towns and old abandoned mines and just
Speaker 1: the crazy roads. If I did the thing with the
Speaker 1: dice and the roads, I don't know if I can
Speaker 1: do that all the time. I have a fear of heights,
Speaker 1: and there's some there's some fucking crazy roads out here
Speaker 1: with no railing that are going up to you know,
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand feet or higher. So you get a little
Speaker 1: white knuckle drive it in there if you do that,
Speaker 1: and which I've done before, man, and it's it's pretty
Speaker 1: fucking terrifying. But yeah, that's a great idea, man. I
Speaker 1: love that, and You're absolutely right. Not making any concrete
Speaker 1: plans and just going is the best. I do that.
Speaker 1: I steal that do that every time when I have
Speaker 1: a day off from not doing any podcasts or working anything,
Speaker 1: I'll go head out to the foothills and just be like,
Speaker 1: where's this road gonna take me? And you know, if
Speaker 1: I end off on a cliff side almost falling off,
Speaker 1: I'll be like, yeah, look at this. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's always an adventure, you know, absolutely right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, at your own risk, that journey at your
Speaker 2: own risk, you know. I mean here on the East Coast,
Speaker 2: we don't have perilous cliff faces as much as you
Speaker 2: probably do out there, so I hadn't taken that into
Speaker 2: account at all. But yeah, my car is like totally
Speaker 2: not great on hills, so yeah, I just avoid that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, at your own comfort level. You know, you
Speaker 2: don't have to hit the dice at every fork in
Speaker 2: the road. But I think it's a good way to
Speaker 2: like step out of your normal decision making habits. And
Speaker 2: that's when, like you said, synchronicity happens. Like when you
Speaker 2: go on a road trip that's not a normal habit.
Speaker 2: I mean, truck drivers and people who do logistics for work.
Speaker 2: Maybe they feel a little more routine about it, but
Speaker 2: those folks are usually driving on the interstate anyways. You know,
Speaker 2: like real road tripping happens on the back roads, happens
Speaker 2: on the country roads, happens when the roads that cut
Speaker 2: through forests and go buy river gorges, like get off
Speaker 2: of the freaking root US Route one, get off of
Speaker 2: Route sixty six, Like, don't you know unless you know,
Speaker 2: that's only option. Again, I'm not that familiar with the wests,
Speaker 2: so you might have a different situation out there. But
Speaker 2: my advice is to try to be as remote as possible.
Speaker 2: But also, you know, don't catch yourself too lost, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't want to get stranded.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, I love it. And what is this? You
Speaker 1: have a title for this project?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's the same title that I've had
Speaker 2: for I mean really, it's what I do on the
Speaker 2: Patreon is talk about this kind of stuff. It's the
Speaker 2: synchro mystic exploration of the ever expanding Now, so I
Speaker 2: sort of achronize the acronym for that is seen see
Speaker 2: N three e's. So this is going to be edition one.
Speaker 2: My girlfriend and I are both working on this and
Speaker 2: hopefully as as this journey grows and progresses, will have
Speaker 2: more information to share and they'll be an addition two
Speaker 2: in edition three and it could be like like a
Speaker 2: magazine or something, or like a little small book.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, man, I love it. We went from Sculling
Speaker 1: Bones to road trip talk.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we do. Is great.
Speaker 1: Before you head out, Mark, let everyone know where they
Speaker 1: can find your stuff.
Speaker 2: That was fantastic. Thank you brother, Thank you.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Always a pleasure being here on Forbidden Knowledge News. Chris Matthew,
Speaker 2: I appreciate you giving me an invite and I wish
Speaker 2: you the best of luck on your journey, and I
Speaker 2: hope you come out to Sculling Bones. Definitely let me know.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a little tour. Definitely, I'll definitely give
Speaker 2: you a tour. So if folks are interested in that
Speaker 2: and maybe even getting a tour themselves, just stay in
Speaker 2: touch with me on my family think somecrazy dot com.
Speaker 2: That's where you'll find everything I do. You can just
Speaker 2: scroll all the way to the bottom of the page.
Speaker 2: Everything's right on that front page. Even the show I
Speaker 2: do with Michael Wan can be found there, but that
Speaker 2: show has a different RSS feed. So if you're a
Speaker 2: podcast listener, which I know you are because you're here,
Speaker 2: check out Susquehanna Alchemy. Type that in on your podcast
Speaker 2: player and find the show that I do with Mike.
Speaker 2: We got a couple in person interviews. I took my
Speaker 2: mixer out of the studio, put it in the field,
Speaker 2: and I interviewed Mike in person. I interviewed some of
Speaker 2: his characters that are in that part of the world.
Speaker 2: So yeah, those episodes will be coming out this week.
Speaker 1: I love it, man, always an awesome conversation. And today
Speaker 1: I want to welcome Michael Harrell. He is a retired
Speaker 1: carpenter that had a mission to find out how and
Speaker 1: why people get so wounded and how to fix them.
Speaker 1: This task was working in his subconsciousness his whole life,
Speaker 1: and only in twenty sixteen did the full memory of
Speaker 1: this task become recovered. Michael, welcome. How you doing.
Speaker 3: I'm doing good. I'm doing good. Yeah, man, a lot
Speaker 3: exciting things going on in the world, but I'm alive
Speaker 3: and doing fine.
Speaker 1: Hey, you can't get better in that. That's excellent. I've
Speaker 1: been looking forward to this man. You've had some incredible
Speaker 1: transformative experiences throughout your life, You've gained profound insights into
Speaker 1: not only your own awakening, but a greater awareness of
Speaker 1: the true nature of the universe and our collective role
Speaker 1: within it. This is gonna be a great conversation. I
Speaker 1: love hearing other spiritual journeys and how their life is
Speaker 1: unfolded just by following their heart and passion and also
Speaker 1: heeding messages from the universe and its messengers is I
Speaker 1: think a very important part as well. Uh, this is
Speaker 1: your first time on Michael, how did this all start
Speaker 1: for you?
Speaker 3: Oh? And that's like a whole show in itself, just
Speaker 3: not like a carpenter retired carpenter. But in my childhood
Speaker 3: it was like you know, some childhood adversities what they
Speaker 3: call ass and uh you know, I had insanity, you know,
Speaker 3: like clinical and science sanity in my in my life
Speaker 3: and uh so living in a dysfunctional family and there
Speaker 3: was there was it, even though I was ever beaten
Speaker 3: or yelled at or anything like that, but there was
Speaker 3: this kind of underlying current of mental illness and alcoholism
Speaker 3: and you know, suicide thing like that, not for me,
Speaker 3: but for my family. So I was just kind of
Speaker 3: that kind of knocked me out. I Actually it started
Speaker 3: with my mother when before I was born, she was
Speaker 3: like traumatized with a kind of fight with my dad,
Speaker 3: and so she didn't She was like regretting the whole
Speaker 3: idea of me being born at that time. And then
Speaker 3: after I was born, she went into postpartum depression with psychotics.
Speaker 3: So basically I was born without a mother and that
Speaker 3: really messed up my You know, I was like a
Speaker 3: crib baby, so I didn't do the crawling and the
Speaker 3: bonding and all that kind of stuff. I didn't actually
Speaker 3: learn how to talk until I was twenty one years
Speaker 3: old because I was just shut down, and uh, you know,
Speaker 3: this is kind of what was going on. But then,
Speaker 3: you know, then I guess when I was in my twenties,
Speaker 3: I uh even did a lot of drugs to try
Speaker 3: to like, you know, numb the pain and stuff. Did
Speaker 3: a lot of LSD and still cybing, and but then
Speaker 3: that thing was like, you know, you go up and
Speaker 3: you come back down. I'm thinking, man, I don't want
Speaker 3: to come back down because coming down is like that's
Speaker 3: a downer. So uh, I ended up bumping into this
Speaker 3: guy and cooking a grove Florida, and he was a
Speaker 3: fully enlightened man. The guy was fully full of God
Speaker 3: realized me being right, and uh, I had no idea
Speaker 3: what that was. I was kind of like a redneck hippie,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of a guy. And uh so I
Speaker 3: just hung out with this guy for like four hours
Speaker 3: one day and uh and uh he was telling me
Speaker 3: about how he got it became ENLiGHT and then what
Speaker 3: they was in the lightning was all about and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, and uh, here I am in living my life.
Speaker 3: Is if you can imagine driving thinking like you're driving
Speaker 3: around in a in like a Volkswagen, right, You're like,
Speaker 3: there's old there's old time Volkswagens. There's all out of
Speaker 3: metal and just one radio and that's all you got.
Speaker 3: And then I'm looking at this guy and he's his
Speaker 3: driving his life around in a seven forty seven. It's
Speaker 3: like this gigantic presence. Right. Well, anyway, that guy blew
Speaker 3: my mind. And uh what actually happened from just driving
Speaker 3: around with this guy driving around town because he was
Speaker 3: just like this kind of wandering side or a saint
Speaker 3: or something that he was an American guy about six
Speaker 3: foot six two or something like that. But anyway, he
Speaker 3: blew the transmission out of my car. The energy this
Speaker 3: guy had blew all the seals out of the transmission
Speaker 3: out of my car because I just had a brand
Speaker 3: new transmission put in. It was a nineteen sixty five
Speaker 3: or Ford Galaxy five hundred. It was like a big tank.
Speaker 3: So I took and got it fixed. And the guy said,
Speaker 3: he said, I said, man, I've never had The guy said,
Speaker 3: I've been doing doing this for twenty years fixing and transmissions.
Speaker 3: Never seen one happen like this. It's all the seals
Speaker 3: were blown out of it. And the guy just gave
Speaker 3: me a new transmission for free. Then I I a
Speaker 3: couple of days later, I was in junior college there
Speaker 3: and then and and I was driving to junior college
Speaker 3: and I started hearing people talk. I go, well, what's
Speaker 3: this all about? And I actually pulled a car over
Speaker 3: the side of the road, turned off the radio. I
Speaker 3: could still hear people talk. I was like two miles
Speaker 3: away from the college, and as I drove closer to
Speaker 3: the college, I could hear him talk louder than I
Speaker 3: parked the car, and I was I had to go
Speaker 3: up one side of the college and a cross in
Speaker 3: front of the library. When I crossed in front of
Speaker 3: the library. I looked over and I realized that I
Speaker 3: was hearing the peace people reading. You know when you
Speaker 3: read a book in the library, I could hear people
Speaker 3: reading their books, and you know, they talk in their
Speaker 3: head when they read, so it's like really clear. I
Speaker 3: could hear people talking in their heads from two miles away. Wow.
Speaker 3: So that was kind of that was kind of wild.
Speaker 3: And then I was like, you know, I was at lunchtime.
Speaker 3: I went out and saw some of my friends and
Speaker 3: I go, hey, man, this thing's happened to me. I
Speaker 3: met this guy blah blah blah blah, and I'm walking
Speaker 3: closer to my friend right then when I got it
Speaker 3: real up close to him, you know, I was like, whatever,
Speaker 3: there's five feet away, and I saw this slide show.
Speaker 3: I was looking at this guy. I saw a slide show.
Speaker 3: The slide show was moments of this guy's life, but
Speaker 3: you know, from childhood, being a kid getting ride in
Speaker 3: his first bicycle, you know, and because and then went
Speaker 3: at to where he was in the current time, and
Speaker 3: then it went on to when he was getting made
Speaker 3: and his kids and all as from birth, life to birth,
Speaker 3: from birth to death. Right, that's called the ecastic records,
Speaker 3: so well, that really did my head in. So I thought, well, okay, listen,
Speaker 3: this whole enlightenment thing is a real deal. All that
Speaker 3: stuff lasted, by the way, for like six weeks or
Speaker 3: five weeks, you know, and then it kind of calmed
Speaker 3: down because you know, I'm about to stick his brick
Speaker 3: And it was just by being an association with this
Speaker 3: really high guy for four hours that did all that
Speaker 3: to me. So that'll turn me on, Like what does
Speaker 3: it mean to be enlightened? What does that mean? And
Speaker 3: so then I went around and looking for gurus, and
Speaker 3: I found a good guru and got initiated and did
Speaker 3: a lot of meditation, and so like when I started meditating,
Speaker 3: I knew what was going on, so I wasn't fooling
Speaker 3: around with this, like you know, fifteen minutes. It was
Speaker 3: six hours a day. I did my meditation six hours day,
Speaker 3: and I was working construction eight hours a day, so
Speaker 3: that means two hours in the morning. Then right when
Speaker 3: I came home from work, I'd do another two hours
Speaker 3: and then we'd have dinner, and then then it was
Speaker 3: two hours at night. So that was six hours a day.
Speaker 3: Of course, that didn't last very long. And that was
Speaker 3: only about six or eight months about that stuff. I
Speaker 3: started having pretty profound experiences. Eventually, after a few years,
Speaker 3: I actually saw God as the energy, the life forced
Speaker 3: inside us. So that was like a much what you
Speaker 3: would you would call a yogi, but had God realization
Speaker 3: what God realization is, And a lot of people can
Speaker 3: have God realization. You can do drugs and if you
Speaker 3: see the bright light inside of your head or you
Speaker 3: have a near death experience and you see that bright light,
Speaker 3: the light of life, that's that's God realization. Enlightenment is
Speaker 3: when that light turns on and never turns off. That's
Speaker 3: the difference, you know what I'm saying. It's the same
Speaker 3: kind of thing with Kundolini. You know when Kundolini goes
Speaker 3: and your your turns on the things. So that's what
Speaker 3: was happening. So I did that. I did that meditation
Speaker 3: for like thirteen years, right, and had a pretty amazing life.
Speaker 3: And and and the reason why I was doing it
Speaker 3: is because I was so completely crushed as a human being.
Speaker 3: And it's and you look at the people who become realized,
Speaker 3: the people who are yogis, they usually you know, like Buddha, right,
Speaker 3: Buddha was like a stick figure. You could see every
Speaker 3: bone in his body when he received when he got
Speaker 3: to enlightenment, because he was like denied himself. He was
Speaker 3: so messed up, he was so screwed up in his head,
Speaker 3: and he was so looking at the pain and suffering
Speaker 3: of his own life and pain and suffering of the world.
Speaker 3: And then he became enlightened, right, and he awoke and awoke.
Speaker 3: This became That became Buddhism and a lot of a
Speaker 3: lot of yogis. That's you know, you don't become God
Speaker 3: realized just because you know it's a hobby like playing
Speaker 3: with the Ouiji boat or something. You become realized because
Speaker 3: you're in pain, man, and there's nothing there's nothing else
Speaker 3: for you. Nothing can touch the pain that you're in
Speaker 3: except God. Okay, so my last meditation was around nineteen
Speaker 3: ninety and I was former crea yoga. The guy that
Speaker 3: I actually was my guru was a living perfect master.
Speaker 3: I won't tell you his name because I'm not selling gurus,
Speaker 3: but anyway, this guy was the real deal. Had a
Speaker 3: lot of followers, and he was in the same line
Speaker 3: as as a Paramahansa Yoga nanda, you know, the Sri Yuktaff.
Speaker 3: He was like in a real high level of the
Speaker 3: lineage of Krea yoga, which is which is Roger yoga,
Speaker 3: which is the highest yoga there is. Anyway, in nineteen ninety,
Speaker 3: I was sitting underneath my tree, right out the front
Speaker 3: front door of my house, and I did this meditation.
Speaker 3: I didn't really give too much. I didn't care. After
Speaker 3: thirteen years, I didn't really care anymore. So I did
Speaker 3: this meditation and stuff started happening. It's like I didn't care.
Speaker 3: I was just sitting there putting in my time. There
Speaker 3: was a lot of habit and then I looked up
Speaker 3: and I saw a universe and there was a stamp
Speaker 3: of the universe inside of my head. I looked around
Speaker 3: and I'm looking up. It's just like if you have
Speaker 3: bifocal lenses. From here. Up was a universe. And I
Speaker 3: looked up and there was all these stars there. And
Speaker 3: then a voice said, Hey, how'd you like to be God?
Speaker 3: We got this universe over here, and we're going to
Speaker 3: give you this universe. We're going to give you this
Speaker 3: this universe and you can be God in it. And
Speaker 3: I was in a place where I didn't, you know,
Speaker 3: I wasn't striving for God anymore. I was just being
Speaker 3: And I thought, that's the that was hilarious that I said.
Speaker 3: I said, whoever who's ever doing the human resources for
Speaker 3: this God role, right, must have screwed up pretty bad
Speaker 3: for them to want to come to talk to me
Speaker 3: about being God one of their universes, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, Like, what, what's There's some kind of dysfunction
Speaker 3: going on there with the with the human resources for
Speaker 3: filling that role. So basically I said no. But but again,
Speaker 3: that damn universe stayed inside my head for six weeks,
Speaker 3: and I was doing at that time, I was doing
Speaker 3: a what do you call I was being a I
Speaker 3: was being a cabinet maker, right, So I'm all want
Speaker 3: I'm working on table saws. We got a ten horsepower
Speaker 3: table saw and panel saws and all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 3: I'm sitting here and at the top of my head
Speaker 3: still got a universe in it. So while my eyes
Speaker 3: are open, I still have this universe. And I by
Speaker 3: talking to my boss and he's trying to talk to me,
Speaker 3: and and I can see him and then above him
Speaker 3: and the toll top of my head three sixty is
Speaker 3: this universe full stars, the galaxies and stuff, and uh
Speaker 3: that that pretty much changed my head around. And then
Speaker 3: then what happened after that is I went into like
Speaker 3: a pretty serious, you know, a dark knight of the
Speaker 3: soul and and which I didn't. It took me years
Speaker 3: to realize that they were connected. That you know, if
Speaker 3: you're going to be God, then you've got to go
Speaker 3: over here and deal with your ship. Right. So, uh,
Speaker 3: you know, my girlfriend left me, I lost my job.
Speaker 3: You know, all this kind of stuff happened, and and
Speaker 3: you know, the cat left me. Uh, all this kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. And and I met a woman she said, hey, Mike,
Speaker 3: you know you're you're not out of touch with your
Speaker 3: emotional body. And and you know, here I am with
Speaker 3: this great ego of the of the guru of the Yogi,
Speaker 3: right and I didn't even know she was talking about it.
Speaker 3: I said, what do you mean emotional body? So that
Speaker 3: led me down the path of emotional healing. And that's
Speaker 3: what I teach today. I teach emotional healing. And I
Speaker 3: met some interesting people and uh, and I did primal
Speaker 3: therapy and and a whole whole bunch of other kind
Speaker 3: of stuff. And it took years. And then Eventually from that,
Speaker 3: I started doing stuff that was right. It took concentration,
Speaker 3: you know, because I had like concentration. You meditate for
Speaker 3: thirteen years, you're gonna have concentration. I took my concentration
Speaker 3: and I looked at how people got wounded and how
Speaker 3: they heal right, and you know, it's real simple stuff,
Speaker 3: Like all wounding happens from the outside end, right, Your
Speaker 3: parents tell you this, your teachers, your bullies or whoever
Speaker 3: they are. So it's happening from the outside, and it
Speaker 3: goes into your head, scrambles around, goes down through your heart,
Speaker 3: hits your emotional body, then goes out to your physical body,
Speaker 3: and then you have dread or bad self image and
Speaker 3: all this kind of stuff. And that becomes like your
Speaker 3: programming for your life, like I'm not good enough, I'm
Speaker 3: not worthy, blah blah blah, you know, something wrong with
Speaker 3: me and all these kind of messages, right, and along
Speaker 3: with that comes pain. You know, to feel like you're
Speaker 3: not worthy is painful. It is crushing, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. So there's the words and then there's the feeling.
Speaker 3: There's two things, the thoughts and the feelings. Thought and feeling,
Speaker 3: which is spirit and will. So I ended up becoming
Speaker 3: a workshop. This stuff started working, The stuff that I
Speaker 3: was doing started working, and then I kind of codified
Speaker 3: it a little bit, and then I looked hit the
Speaker 3: books trying to figure out why this stuff was working
Speaker 3: and why I could do, why I could do thirteen
Speaker 3: years of meditation meet the highest you know stuff, and
Speaker 3: that didn't touch my emotional body. That was a big deal.
Speaker 3: Later on, later on I looked into it, and not
Speaker 3: only does your childhood emotional issues, they're not affected by meditation,
Speaker 3: They're not affected by full bloow Kundolini enlightenment. They're not
Speaker 3: affected by a near death experience. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: You would think that these people who are having these extraordinary,
Speaker 3: powerful spiritual experiences, that that would take care of the business.
Speaker 3: And it's just not true because the stuff that happens
Speaker 3: to you emotionally is on a different level. It is
Speaker 3: on the content of your consciousness, not on the life force.
Speaker 3: So you know, you can awaken your life force, but
Speaker 3: that doesn't change the content of your consciousness. You're still you, right,
Speaker 3: And if you had a lot of adversity, a lot
Speaker 3: of trauma and drama growing up, it doesn't touch it. Right,
Speaker 3: So that was like a pretty profound realization, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean, you would think the exact opposite. People
Speaker 3: want to become enlightened, people want to what it called,
Speaker 3: they want to ascend, they want to raise their vibration,
Speaker 3: they want to do all this kind of stuff. But
Speaker 3: in reality, what's really the dog that's really binding them
Speaker 3: as their emotional issues. And if you can resolve your
Speaker 3: emotional issues, the whole need for ascension or enlightenment or Kundolini,
Speaker 3: all that stuff just dissolves because you're doing all right,
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, if you're doing all right, you're
Speaker 3: doing all right, then you don't need all this. You
Speaker 3: don't need unicorns and fixing dust to survive.
Speaker 1: Yeah, man, you're exactly right. I kind of applied the
Speaker 1: same thing in my life. It's just like, you know,
Speaker 1: if you wake up and your room's a mess and
Speaker 1: everything around you's a mess, and you got people that
Speaker 1: don't like you, if you just make the simple changes
Speaker 1: clean the mess, you know, why don't people like me?
Speaker 1: Fix those you know, simple problems and doors open. It's
Speaker 1: like an amazing transformative experience that just kind of opens
Speaker 1: up for you just because you started to fix those
Speaker 1: little things that were that were noticeably wrong with you,
Speaker 1: starting with like a dirty room or making your bed
Speaker 1: or things like that.
Speaker 3: Right absolutely, it's like, you can't. You can't go out
Speaker 3: to the yard of the shovel and put your foot
Speaker 3: on the shovel and then lean on it and then
Speaker 3: pray for a hole. You know, that's not that's not
Speaker 3: the way God works, that's not the way the universe works.
Speaker 3: You got to dig the hole, right, You can't. You
Speaker 3: can't look at your house and go, man, I wish
Speaker 3: you was clean. You know, my house is dirty, you know,
Speaker 3: Please God, you know, Or I'm going to meditate, maybe
Speaker 3: it'll clean the house. No, there's certain things that you
Speaker 3: got to take care of yourself. You got to clean
Speaker 3: your own house. You know. You got to fix the
Speaker 3: flat on your tire. And then when you fix the
Speaker 3: flat on the tire, guess what, the car's back in
Speaker 3: factory specs, drives fine, no worries, you know. So that's
Speaker 3: kind of what it's all about. And it's like, how
Speaker 3: to fix the flat on the tire, how to clean
Speaker 3: out your inner imprints and turmoil of stuff that happened
Speaker 3: to you. And that's what I teach. I teach this
Speaker 3: throat right now, and I have a presence on them
Speaker 3: on Facebook. It's called Language Lessons of the Heart group.
Speaker 3: And I have uh, you know, YouTube channel that's got
Speaker 3: a playlist. So everything I do is for free, because
Speaker 3: you know, I'm not here trying to make money. I'm
Speaker 3: not trying to sell your used car. I'm not trying.
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to tell you how bad your life
Speaker 3: is and then I'm going to fix it. I don't
Speaker 3: fix anybody, you know. I mean, all I do is
Speaker 3: tell people what I did and how how consciousness works,
Speaker 3: and if they want to do it, that's fine, if not,
Speaker 3: because it's sort of like to change and to healing
Speaker 3: involve your emotional body. It is like a spiritual path
Speaker 3: in a way, because you shift from being out outer
Speaker 3: directed to being interdirected, from seeking love on the outside
Speaker 3: of seeking love on the inside, and that romance right there.
Speaker 3: It's kind of sacred, right, that's the shift, you know. Uh.
Speaker 3: And you know you can do a lot of political stuff.
Speaker 3: Oh the history of this an Illuminati and that and
Speaker 3: this that right, well, uh, that's that's all exterior, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. And how is it that we
Speaker 3: can have two hundred years of predatory government, predatory schools,
Speaker 3: predatory medicine, predatory lending, predatory religions. Right, how can we
Speaker 3: have all that? Right? And then you say, well, we
Speaker 3: got to form a new we got to form a
Speaker 3: new government. When you ask people to form a new government,
Speaker 3: they go blank. Right, Well, what would you do different?
Speaker 3: If you were the president you got to start a
Speaker 3: new government, what would you do different? They go blank?
Speaker 3: And the reason is because the whole content of their
Speaker 3: consciousness is in this cult cult culture, and the culture
Speaker 3: is predatory. You are a slave to the boss, you're
Speaker 3: a slave to the god, You're a slave to the laws.
Speaker 3: And you know, let me say it's this whole thing
Speaker 3: is slave mentality. And you have ze zero recognition or
Speaker 3: cognition about what's going on inside of you. In fact,
Speaker 3: the external government is a reflection of the internal is
Speaker 3: of the internal government that we have. We've been programmed
Speaker 3: to our so we are we are. We like to
Speaker 3: think of ourselves as the as the president. And our
Speaker 3: body is the body of the people. Our heart is
Speaker 3: the heart of the people. Yeah, And if that and
Speaker 3: that's exactly what happens, just like computers, right, computers are
Speaker 3: based on the model of human consciousness. You know, we
Speaker 3: have a computer that does you know, that does all
Speaker 3: the work. Then we have memories and we have applications. Right,
Speaker 3: So applications is what trauma and drama and the society
Speaker 3: is applications. The laws is the application. Religion is an application, right,
Speaker 3: So our what's outside is a reflection or or an
Speaker 3: extension of what's inside. Yeah, And the reason why we can't,
Speaker 3: the reason why we can't get a new government is
Speaker 3: because we don't have the form of the internal government inside.
Speaker 3: Once you get the form of the internal government inside,
Speaker 3: then you can rock and roll. Yeah.
Speaker 1: They should make all world leaders and the people in
Speaker 1: high positions go through majorly transformative experiences and take care
Speaker 1: of all their emotional shit before they even try and
Speaker 1: rule anything.
Speaker 3: That's the game, right, that's the inner game, right, because
Speaker 3: if you you know, you vote ship in, you're gonna
Speaker 3: get shipped out again. So you know, we're not we're
Speaker 3: not getting statesmans. We're getting cartoon characters. And I'm including Trump.
Speaker 3: I'm including Trump in this this whole thing. You know,
Speaker 3: I'm not a I'm not a Trump romantic. That guy
Speaker 3: he has he has his issues too. To me, it's
Speaker 3: just like to me, it's what's going on out there
Speaker 3: is two different mafias, you know, like there's the uh,
Speaker 3: the Kazari and mafia, and then there's the what do
Speaker 3: you call it, Russian mafia and that's something they're all
Speaker 3: trying to, you know, fight over the world. But anyway,
Speaker 3: that is also a reflection of us, because we have, uh,
Speaker 3: what really runs the world is denials, right, we deny
Speaker 3: and let me tell you how bad it is. Let
Speaker 3: me tell you how bad it is. You've heard about
Speaker 3: the elites and the movie stars and the government that
Speaker 3: they like take adrenal clone, right, and they have kids
Speaker 3: and where the kids are like traffic, right, and uh,
Speaker 3: the children are trafficking and then they put them in
Speaker 3: underground tunnels. Yeah, and then they torture the kids. Well,
Speaker 3: how does how does that? How does the inside reflect
Speaker 3: the outside? You know? And it works exactly the same way.
Speaker 3: We have trauma or drama that gets imprinted into our
Speaker 3: emotional body, right, and that's the inner child, and that
Speaker 3: inner child becomes our shadow, becomes our inner demons. Right,
Speaker 3: So we suppress that the emotions, the pain and the suffering.
Speaker 3: We suppress the suffering of our own emotional body, which
Speaker 3: increases the pain of the inner child, so that we
Speaker 3: can live an adult life, have fun, make our money,
Speaker 3: get married, and all that kind of stuff. You see
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, We sacrifice. It's a one to one correlation,
Speaker 3: you know. You see what I'm saying, And our childhood
Speaker 3: experiences right now are like not good. They're not good
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 1: It's a generation and generation of multi generational trauma that's
Speaker 1: being applied to people to keep us in this state
Speaker 1: of fear and trauma and non growth and non spiritual growth,
Speaker 1: which is you know, one of the problems we're facing.
Speaker 1: I want to go back to a second, to one
Speaker 1: of your transformative experiences. You had what you called three
Speaker 1: days of bliss, crying and laughing from a holy water.
Speaker 1: Can could you tell us.
Speaker 3: A little bit about that? That was cool? Well, well,
Speaker 3: the guru at the time, yeah, like I said, that
Speaker 3: was back in the like it's back in the heyday.
Speaker 3: Then the guru guru at the time, they had yet
Speaker 3: that holy they had a holy thing, you know, that's
Speaker 3: where you take the colored water and stuff. But he
Speaker 3: he had a lot of people, uh, in the community
Speaker 3: all around the United States, and I remember where there was.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they were going to have this the Holy
Speaker 3: in the Orange Bowl, right, get all the devotees around
Speaker 3: the world are going to go to the Orange Bowl.
Speaker 3: And and to do that, we had they got a
Speaker 3: a fire truck and then a fire truck. They had
Speaker 3: fire truck hooked up so they could hook it up
Speaker 3: to one of these fire hose kind of like water cannons,
Speaker 3: right that they that they used to put it fires.
Speaker 3: I think MEANGI could go out, you know, fifty yards
Speaker 3: or so or eighty yards. So we were testing it, right.
Speaker 3: This was before the Holy Program, so they were testing it.
Speaker 3: So they built their big, big scaffold. I was helping
Speaker 3: them build a scaffle because I was construction guys. So
Speaker 3: they're building a scaffold, right, And then that day the
Speaker 3: gurus showed up and were good, was going to test it,
Speaker 3: and so we were all like playing and we're having fun.
Speaker 3: It was called Service and we're just playing around to
Speaker 3: test this thing. It was in a park on South
Speaker 3: Beach and so they fires up. He fires up this
Speaker 3: thing and there was like about four or five of
Speaker 3: us that were still on the top level, which was
Speaker 3: even see he was on an island in the middle,
Speaker 3: and we had a big circle of scaffold. It was
Speaker 3: like two layers high, so because he had to be
Speaker 3: high to shoot out and this was a test, and
Speaker 3: so he was he was playing around with the gun
Speaker 3: and at one point he turned that gun and hit
Speaker 3: me on the chest. And when he hit me on
Speaker 3: the chest, he was putting his energy right into it. Right,
Speaker 3: you're taking. You're taking like the normal guy, and you
Speaker 3: put you put God life force. That's what those guys.
Speaker 3: The Guru's Guru means, uh, darkness and light. The Guru
Speaker 3: is the the speller of darkness and the revealer of light.
Speaker 3: That's what Guru means. So he hit me like that
Speaker 3: and it was just like that was just like I
Speaker 3: just went into bliss and I was like completely drunk.
Speaker 3: I just I couldn't function, couldn't talk. I could barely
Speaker 3: walk to my car, you know, I just dropped everything,
Speaker 3: walked to my car, started up, went home and it
Speaker 3: was just laughing and crying and laughing. And for three
Speaker 3: days it was just intoxicating bliss. Yeah. And that's you know,
Speaker 3: you only you only get you only get bliss by
Speaker 3: by by comparison. Right, you have to have a higher
Speaker 3: vibration and uh and and then there's a separation between
Speaker 3: the higher vibration where you are and when you get
Speaker 3: brought up to the higher vibration, that's a blissful experience.
Speaker 3: And you listen to the people who have near death experience,
Speaker 3: they all talk about this. They go from being a
Speaker 3: physical body up to a spiritual body and they get
Speaker 3: all blissed out. But in reality, we're all blissed out
Speaker 3: all the time, which is kind of a shock, you know.
Speaker 3: I mean, we're enlightened all the time. We're blissed out
Speaker 3: all the time. The only thing is our level of
Speaker 3: connection to it. There is no there's no actual enlightenment
Speaker 3: as we think of it as enlightened. It's not something
Speaker 3: you attain. It's something that's already there, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, just the door opens. So it's already there
Speaker 3: were we already have everything we need, we're already super conscious,
Speaker 3: we're already all that kind of stuff. But there's it's
Speaker 3: these it's the it's the stuff in our conscious business,
Speaker 3: the content of our consciousness, Like Christian and Murdy says,
Speaker 3: the content of your consciousness is what's divisive and holds
Speaker 3: you back. So that's why we don't walk around feeling
Speaker 3: and bliss all the time. There was a time, I
Speaker 3: tell you, there was a time that I was I
Speaker 3: just like, I'm feeling exactly how I feel now, right,
Speaker 3: which was like exactly how you feel right now. But
Speaker 3: I was so high that that I remember some people
Speaker 3: came over to the house one day and I was
Speaker 3: walking next to my friend, right, I was talking about
Speaker 3: something and I was teaching something or something like that,
Speaker 3: and this guy was sitting on the floor and he
Speaker 3: looked up at him and said, you know when you
Speaker 3: walk past when you walk past me, my whole head
Speaker 3: fills up with blue light. Right, And here I am
Speaker 3: talking to you now and you're listening to me now, right.
Speaker 3: I felt none of that, right, He felt it because
Speaker 3: of the separation of his vibration to my vibe. But
Speaker 3: so the point is you cannot actually tell how high
Speaker 3: you are, and you can't tell how high you're not. Well.
Speaker 3: Usually when you do drugs, you find out how high
Speaker 3: you're not just depressing side of doing drugs.
Speaker 1: Right, man, that's incredible. I want to talk about some
Speaker 1: of your most profound, unexplained experiences when it comes to
Speaker 1: contact or other worldly beings or extraterrestrials and things of
Speaker 1: that nature. I know earlier you were also telling me
Speaker 1: about some of the sasquatch work you're doing. I want
Speaker 1: to get to that too. But you've had experiences with extraterrestrials.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did. Again, so could I How could I
Speaker 3: frame this well? Anyway? Going back to that story of
Speaker 3: doing my healing sor right right after I did my
Speaker 3: healing thing, I did, I put together the workshop, did
Speaker 3: a couple of workshops in the United States, and I
Speaker 3: did a couple of workshops in Jamaica on emotional healing,
Speaker 3: and that was really powerful to do. In a workshop business.
Speaker 3: We had people who were remembering the beginning of creation
Speaker 3: and people who saw the original incident of death and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. So I ran out of gas right
Speaker 3: in terms of having the like I was like like, basically,
Speaker 3: like I told you, I didn't know how to learn
Speaker 3: how to talk convent, you know, conversationally until I was
Speaker 3: twenty one years old. So here I am now in
Speaker 3: my thirties and forties, and I did all this stuff
Speaker 3: just to get myself back up to a normal Right.
Speaker 3: That's basically what you do. You try to get yourself
Speaker 3: back up to normal. But I ran out of gas
Speaker 3: in terms of setting up and promoting workshops and doing
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff because I was I was not
Speaker 3: a networker and I no idea about business. I was
Speaker 3: a carpenter and you know, a cabinet maker and stuff.
Speaker 3: So I ran out of gas, and I thought, well,
Speaker 3: I got back to work, and so I just put
Speaker 3: all my healing stuff on the table and I just
Speaker 3: got into paying my bills and paying my debts off
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. So that was basically like a
Speaker 3: post healing part of my life. So it did all
Speaker 3: this emotions. There was a God realization part of my life,
Speaker 3: and then there was the emotional healing part of my life.
Speaker 3: This was post healing, which was kind of like how
Speaker 3: to integrate all this stuff is just to live a
Speaker 3: normal life, which is pretty cool to live a normal life.
Speaker 3: And then then that went on till you know, two
Speaker 3: thy and ten and eleven twelve, and then you know,
Speaker 3: by then the economy was down and I kind of
Speaker 3: was kind of had to force retirement. And then the
Speaker 3: Internet came along, and I thought, well, if I'm going
Speaker 3: to do the internet, Internet, I can't really do my
Speaker 3: workshop business, because I don't know how to do that right.
Speaker 3: So I started putting out my memoirs. I thought, well,
Speaker 3: listen to stuff that happened to me, some pretty incredible.
Speaker 3: So I put my memoirs out there, and I started
Speaker 3: describing how to heal involve your emotional emotional body. And
Speaker 3: I started having a like a presence of that there.
Speaker 3: And along the same time around from twenty twelve to
Speaker 3: twenty fourteen or something, you know, I saw some uf
Speaker 3: I had some problems with UFOs. Right in twenty twelve.
Speaker 3: I had some problems with the UFOs, and these gray
Speaker 3: guys came and got me, right, I got a video.
Speaker 3: I got a video what they did. They came and
Speaker 3: got me, and they put their fingerprints all over me
Speaker 3: and stuff and and and then I woke up pissed
Speaker 3: off in a craft. I woke pissed off. Said what
Speaker 3: the hell are these guys doing. I said, you guys
Speaker 3: have no right to pick me up without talking to me.
Speaker 3: And I has no agreement here, there's no soul contract,
Speaker 3: you know. And I got pissed right. Meanwhile, I'm just
Speaker 3: sort of like sitting in this place in their in
Speaker 3: their in their craft, and and I and I saw
Speaker 3: that they had control of my leg control my body.
Speaker 3: I said, oh, well, guess what if they got control
Speaker 3: of my body they have that means they have to
Speaker 3: have somebody in control of my body. That means that
Speaker 3: somebody's focusing on my energy being. So I said, that
Speaker 3: means there's a two way connection here. So what I
Speaker 3: started doing is I started projecting to them that they're
Speaker 3: covered in ants, right, that there were ants inside of them,
Speaker 3: all bite biting them right. And as soon as I
Speaker 3: start projected that energy into side them, because they couldn't
Speaker 3: break the connection to me or else, i'd, you know,
Speaker 3: I'd get up. So they started running around. These little
Speaker 3: gray alien guys have started running around. They started panicking stuff.
Speaker 3: And then then as soon as I saw a reaction
Speaker 3: out of I thought, okay, I'm going to burn them
Speaker 3: on fire. Just the imagination of them being burned on
Speaker 3: burned alive or burned from the inside out. And they
Speaker 3: were like zipping around and uh, they didn't know what
Speaker 3: to do. And then they try then to try to
Speaker 3: push me off. And as soon as they try to
Speaker 3: push me back down into my body, I was like
Speaker 3: holding on. It's like I'm going to let these guys
Speaker 3: know where it were. It's at.
Speaker 1: This you would say this took place in an astral
Speaker 1: type of realm, It's uh.
Speaker 3: It's five d astral. I don't know what you I
Speaker 3: don't know what you want to call it. You. I
Speaker 3: felt my body, I felt their presence, I felt you know,
Speaker 3: So so there was a feeling there. I wasn't just
Speaker 3: dream like. So it was whatever it was, whether it's
Speaker 3: a construct, uh or I'm not really sure how to
Speaker 3: do it. How it is. There's there's a lot of
Speaker 3: people have theories on how that works. Dream Time is
Speaker 3: definitely different than this construct, and the construct is a
Speaker 3: little bit different than actually being invited on and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, talking to them and you're you know, flying
Speaker 3: the craft or whatever different ways that works out. So anyway,
Speaker 3: that got me in touch with the Then then I
Speaker 3: started like looking into UFOs and stuff and there was
Speaker 3: a guy. There was a guy in my neighborhood, not
Speaker 3: my neighborhood, but like within a couple of miles of
Speaker 3: You're called Ray Hernandez.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, raised interesting guy. He tells you a story
Speaker 3: of of UH. You know, he was driving down the
Speaker 3: highway and they took him out of his car and
Speaker 3: they took him to UH and they had him. They
Speaker 3: had him see this big circle. And big circle was consciousness,
Speaker 3: all the kind of paranormal stuff esp and Luigi boards
Speaker 3: and meditation and you know, all this kind of the
Speaker 3: whole thing was the whole plethora of the whole circle
Speaker 3: of what we call paranormal. And they gave him the dictate.
Speaker 3: They gave him the dictate to you know, study the
Speaker 3: connection between all the different paranormal stuff, right, and then
Speaker 3: that's where he did the whole thing. So I was like,
Speaker 3: I was like friends with him and we'd call on
Speaker 3: the phone every once in a while. Meanwhile he gets
Speaker 3: like eleven PhDs and doctor edgar Mitchell and get us
Speaker 3: the whole thing going on. So that was that was
Speaker 3: another whole part of the part of the mix. This
Speaker 3: was the lead up to this time when I was taken.
Speaker 3: So I had already had my language lessons of heart
Speaker 3: done right, and uh, and I'm friends with Mary Rodwell
Speaker 3: and Ray hor Nanis and a bunch of other people.
Speaker 3: And but I never thought of myself as having a
Speaker 3: mission on Earth, right, And it was dolorous. Cannon was
Speaker 3: talking about people have missions on Earth, and then Mary
Speaker 3: Rodwell was talking about, well, you know, you come here
Speaker 3: with a mission. You know, the Indigo people have this
Speaker 3: mission to raise a vibration this that, And never occurred
Speaker 3: to me that this all of stuff that happened to
Speaker 3: me in my life, Like I met four enlightened man,
Speaker 3: one enlightened sod squatch and and been initiated three three
Speaker 3: different times. And you don't hear about people being initiated
Speaker 3: into meditation three different times just doesn't happen. So, uh,
Speaker 3: I was in my bed one night, I just got
Speaker 3: taken on this craft and these guys I think, I
Speaker 3: think they were Syrians, but I have no idea who
Speaker 3: they were. They had like this white head sock on
Speaker 3: and a black uniform and they're a little bit short
Speaker 3: of me. I'm six feet tall and a little bit
Speaker 3: shorter than me. And uh so it said, they take
Speaker 3: me on this craft and or it was a base
Speaker 3: somewhere I don't really know or was it. So then
Speaker 3: they put me on the stage and they said, okay,
Speaker 3: we want you to give you a report, and I
Speaker 3: go what report? I had no clue. Right, Well, report,
Speaker 3: they said, well, you know your lord on how people
Speaker 3: got so wounded and how to heal them, right, And
Speaker 3: I said, okay, So I started I started giving my report.
Speaker 3: Now me, uh, before this doing doing emotional release work
Speaker 3: right and doing the healing work that I do. You
Speaker 3: know or you heard about people talking about lifetimes, right,
Speaker 3: getting your memory back from lifetimes and you know how
Speaker 3: to get your memories back and all that kind of stuff, right, Well,
Speaker 3: when you do emotional healing work, the deep emotional healing work,
Speaker 3: you get your memories back. And the reason why you
Speaker 3: get your memories back is this. If you suppress an event,
Speaker 3: and in one lifetime of an event, an emotional event,
Speaker 3: whether it's a broken heart or childhood abuse or being
Speaker 3: killed or raped or murdered. When you when you have
Speaker 3: these heavy duty things lifetime after lifetime, you suppress them.
Speaker 3: In one lifetime, you suppress them next lifetime. That means
Speaker 3: you don't remember that pain. But suppression doesn't work, for
Speaker 3: it's not surgical. When you suppress one memory, it just
Speaker 3: suppresses right across, right across the board. Right. So if
Speaker 3: you had if you were tortured in uh, let's say
Speaker 3: the women who are tortured in the Spanish inquisition of
Speaker 3: Portuguese inquisition, you know, they may not remember that. They
Speaker 3: may not remember all those lifetimes, or they may not
Speaker 3: remember any lifetime before that or after that, because it's
Speaker 3: the suppression, the suppression of the memory, right that. But
Speaker 3: when you when you go in and you start dealing
Speaker 3: with your pain face to face, then the memory come
Speaker 3: back because pain is part of reality. And if you
Speaker 3: embrace and accept the pain anyway, all my memories came back,
Speaker 3: and so I spent the first three hours talking about
Speaker 3: the emergence, the emergence of God the Father and God
Speaker 3: the Mother and what happened, what was going on. This
Speaker 3: was before creation, which we spent a really really long
Speaker 3: time before creation, before there was a God, before there
Speaker 3: was a mother, before there was creation, before it was
Speaker 3: a godhead, before there was matter, before there was anything
Speaker 3: that was just energy and consciousness is the feeling of
Speaker 3: energy and the Great Mother of everything, the Great Mother
Speaker 3: of everything, which is that darkness and space that embraces
Speaker 3: and holds all the planets and all the stars and
Speaker 3: all the galaxies. She holds all that within her. But
Speaker 3: her nature is absolute inclusivity and unconditional love. So everything
Speaker 3: is included, what can be, what can what was, what
Speaker 3: can be, what will be, everything and the probabilities. But
Speaker 3: it doesn't have a rational material mind, and she doesn't
Speaker 3: have a locality. In other words, I'm an identity because
Speaker 3: I'm in this body, in this chair talking at this time.
Speaker 3: Locality she didn't have that. She didn't have a mind,
Speaker 3: she didn't have self image, she'd have words to have
Speaker 3: any of that kind of stuff that went on for
Speaker 3: a very long time. What she did have is conflicting,
Speaker 3: conflicting energies like I want and I don't want, right
Speaker 3: mm hm, which were which I'm saying the word want,
Speaker 3: But you're talking about a field the size of a
Speaker 3: supercluster of galaxies. This is a field of energy that's
Speaker 3: moving or expressing and it's not it's not words, it's
Speaker 3: just energy moving. And then there's energy that's not moving
Speaker 3: that wants to stay still. So when the energy that moves,
Speaker 3: the energy that moves is moving next to the energy
Speaker 3: that that is not moving, there's there's a that produces
Speaker 3: like this kind of a desire energy. So there's the
Speaker 3: there's the unmoving, and then the moving and when that happens. Uh.
Speaker 3: The nature of the Mother is absolute inclusivity and unconditional love.
Speaker 3: That means she's inclusive, inclusive right and inclusive is a
Speaker 3: kind of gravity. It's a kind of magnetism, right, acceptance, inclusiveness.
Speaker 3: So like it took it took three hours to explain
Speaker 3: how this actually worked without without words, without a point
Speaker 3: of view, without a perspective, without a location, right on
Speaker 3: a massive giant scale, it's hard to kind of talk
Speaker 3: about it. But when she did that, right, that that
Speaker 3: magnetic field, the stationary in the magnetic field was moving
Speaker 3: created a current, right, Magnetic fields create current, and as
Speaker 3: soon as it made a current, that current went forth
Speaker 3: and that was the beginning of the first creation. Now
Speaker 3: that current moved forward, which was her desire, her will,
Speaker 3: her wish, her wont She's the divine will. So there's
Speaker 3: this guy. The Father is the spirit and uh, she's
Speaker 3: the will of God or the Mother of God or
Speaker 3: the or the wife of God, which is will. So
Speaker 3: it's basically thoughts and feelings, spirit and will, man and woman,
Speaker 3: electric and magnetic. That's where it all comes from. This huge,
Speaker 3: this actual space itself. Everything comes from nothing and then
Speaker 3: nothing is the absolute and inclusivity of and unconditional love.
Speaker 3: So I'm here talking to these guys about that. And
Speaker 3: it took three hours to get to get to the
Speaker 3: to the beginning of the first creation, and then it
Speaker 3: took another two hours to talk about the first creation.
Speaker 3: And the first creation is uh is when when they
Speaker 3: see it gets really kind of complicated. It's hard to
Speaker 3: put it in simple terms, but it was the creation
Speaker 3: of consciousness as a as an energy. So as the
Speaker 3: mother of everything is absolutely inclusive, the father energy is exclusive.
Speaker 3: She's dark. He's light and exclusive. So that's where the
Speaker 3: his the identity of the I am. The i am
Speaker 3: is the exclusive expression of a of a of an
Speaker 3: energy that has a location, of shape, of form, and
Speaker 3: a movement. This is still no bodies yet. There's still
Speaker 3: no consciousness yet. There's still no identity yet. There's none
Speaker 3: of that stuff yet. But that was that was this,
Speaker 3: So in this infinite universe there was began to have
Speaker 3: things like location and energy and stuff like that. And
Speaker 3: eventually and then it's when the current moves. Then the
Speaker 3: current moves within a sheath of magnetic field. Right, and
Speaker 3: that magnetic field, uh is what they can stay. They record,
Speaker 3: and now you can see between all stars and all
Speaker 3: galaxies there's a magnetic field or rivers of magnetic field.
Speaker 3: And that magnetic field is what holds the rivers of
Speaker 3: galaxies and stars and star clusters together. And whenever the
Speaker 3: magnetic field, which is the desire, the will, the wish,
Speaker 3: the want of the mother, whenever that increases, it compresses
Speaker 3: the energy feel the electric the electric river. Right, Whenever
Speaker 3: it compresses the electric river, it takes from very low
Speaker 3: amperage to very high amperage and from a very wide
Speaker 3: location to very very low, very tight location, and this
Speaker 3: is what creates plasma. It's just like turning on a
Speaker 3: light bulb, right when you have a huge amount of
Speaker 3: energy going through a little tiny wire, that wirelights up
Speaker 3: and that. So it was just the creation of consciousness
Speaker 3: and God was that was that same kind of a thing.
Speaker 3: So still haven't even now, I still haven't talked to
Speaker 3: you about God and the Mother and all that kind
Speaker 3: of or the creation of the godhead. I still hadn't.
Speaker 3: I still hadn't got to that. It was interesting about
Speaker 3: being on that craft telling my uh my story is
Speaker 3: this is this is really cool. Probably the coolest thing
Speaker 3: for me was I smoked cigarettes. Right, So after three
Speaker 3: hours of being on the stage and there was only
Speaker 3: like about six or eight people there watching me, it
Speaker 3: was like just basically they were just giving me this
Speaker 3: gift of like, well, okay, you went to Earth and
Speaker 3: you learned all this stuff, and why don't you give
Speaker 3: us the report. So anyway, at the three hour mark,
Speaker 3: I said, listen, I can can I go down take
Speaker 3: a little break and they said sure, And under my
Speaker 3: own steam, I went back to my bed to walked outside,
Speaker 3: had a cigarette, came back that came back to bed,
Speaker 3: and under my own steam, I went back up to
Speaker 3: the craft and then when I was finished after five hours.
Speaker 3: I was on there for five hours, then then I
Speaker 3: came back. Then I came back after five hours, right,
Speaker 3: And which is pretty profound because this is one of
Speaker 3: the things that the ET people are doing, is they're
Speaker 3: teaching human beings how to go and to go invisible
Speaker 3: or how to how to transport like that unconsciously in
Speaker 3: our bodies with we know how to do that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's pretty cool.
Speaker 1: Yeah. What do you think is the relationship between most
Speaker 1: of these extraterrestrials, interdimensional beings whatever you want to call them,
Speaker 1: and humans. Most of the experiences, like for Hernandez research,
Speaker 1: like you were discussing earlier, most experiences that I've heard
Speaker 1: about are ended up being positive experiences once the individual
Speaker 1: understands exactly what's happening, and very little kind of negative
Speaker 1: or malevolent type of experiences that I've heard about. What
Speaker 1: do you think is the purpose in relationship with these beings?
Speaker 3: I mean, what are they doing with us?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Uh, that goes back to the all one, the all
Speaker 3: one in no space that they they A lot of
Speaker 3: times you can hear if you if you listen to
Speaker 3: a lot of encounters, the the the the the ets
Speaker 3: will say we are you, right, we are you and
Speaker 3: and it also goes back to this emotional healing business.
Speaker 3: You know when you talk about generational trauma and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, that they're looking at us as as the
Speaker 3: progenitors of their trauma. Right, So they're going back in
Speaker 3: time to elevate us, clear us, heal us because they're
Speaker 3: connected as as us. There's this thing as soon as
Speaker 3: you get out of the three D reality, you see
Speaker 3: that they were in this kind of a there's a
Speaker 3: kind of a unity between all things. That's another thing
Speaker 3: that's a bit that's a big issue is this unity
Speaker 3: between all things is we're not one person. We are
Speaker 3: kind of spread out across the whole universe, right, and
Speaker 3: so we can have aspects of ourselves on any star nation,
Speaker 3: in any location. You know, you can you can remote
Speaker 3: view an ant on Mars uh uh five million years ago, right,
Speaker 3: There's people who could do this. So that means we
Speaker 3: are on we were we are on Mars five million
Speaker 3: years ago. You see what I'm saying. There's this unity
Speaker 3: thing going on there. That's the way remote viewing works.
Speaker 3: That's where all psychic phenomenal works. That's where all actual
Speaker 3: stuff works. Is there's a type of unity. So they
Speaker 3: are in an active compassion to help to help uh,
Speaker 3: to help us. Here's how it works. Okay, all healing,
Speaker 3: all wounding happens from the outside in, right, and all
Speaker 3: healing happens from the inside out. Now, this is really important.
Speaker 3: It's kind of like one of the key things. If you,
Speaker 3: as a conscious mind go inside you you say, I'm
Speaker 3: going to go inside and heal my heart. I'm going
Speaker 3: to heal my will, I'm gonna heal my physical body.
Speaker 3: I'm going to heal that. Right, So you go in
Speaker 3: and you look for that pain, you look for that problem,
Speaker 3: and you and you work on it. You embrace it,
Speaker 3: you hold it. That's you looping in, right, So you
Speaker 3: are looping in and when and when you loop in,
Speaker 3: you're going back in time. Oh, when I was six
Speaker 3: years old, this thing happened to me. So you loop in,
Speaker 3: you're going back in time. So there's an adult, powerful
Speaker 3: adult you going back in time to a little little
Speaker 3: to you who's suffering. Right, you got that picture. Yeah,
Speaker 3: that's called the interloop. And what's important about That is
Speaker 3: the way we like we talk about the government, the
Speaker 3: way we do our reality, our culture. We are taught
Speaker 3: as children that everything is outside of us, you know,
Speaker 3: Mommy picked me up, Mommy get feed me, you know.
Speaker 3: And I need to got to go to a doctor
Speaker 3: for this. I got to go to a psychologist for that.
Speaker 3: This outward reaching, right, So we do this out and
Speaker 3: then we reach out. I want my spirit, guys, I
Speaker 3: want God. I want the angels to help me. You
Speaker 3: know what I mean, Pray for me. You know, that's
Speaker 3: the reaching out right Now, when you reach out, that
Speaker 3: gives you. That means you're trying to engage into the
Speaker 3: arena of where you got hurt. Right, So you look,
Speaker 3: you're trying to get the persons who hurt you to
Speaker 3: help you, right. That's like you know, and in fact,
Speaker 3: that doesn't work work, it's kind of disempowering. I give
Speaker 3: my power and authority to the police to protect me.
Speaker 3: I give my power and authority to the medical profession
Speaker 3: to protect me. I give my power and authority to
Speaker 3: the teachers to teach me. You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: That's the outer loop. But when you do the interloop, right,
Speaker 3: when you do the interloop where you go in and
Speaker 3: see about your heart, your broken heart or your crushed
Speaker 3: heart or your inner child you and you regrow that
Speaker 3: and you're in the adult now going back in time
Speaker 3: and uplifting and making your inner child into the golden child.
Speaker 3: That's the lead to gold kind of a business. Okay,
Speaker 3: this is what the sab squads are doing. This is
Speaker 3: what the ets are doing, this is what the higher
Speaker 3: beings are doing. And it's the reason why they're doing
Speaker 3: it is because if you can, if you look out
Speaker 3: into the internet world, you see how many people are
Speaker 3: doing inner child work, how many people doing healing work
Speaker 3: or past life regression work, how many people doing their
Speaker 3: inner work? Right, thousands and thousands and millions of people
Speaker 3: are doing that inner work. So there's an inner loop
Speaker 3: going on. And when you have the interloop loop going on,
Speaker 3: that means the people now going back into the past
Speaker 3: and healing your inner child. Well, that's what this e
Speaker 3: teas are doing, that's what the angels doing. Once you've
Speaker 3: made that interloop to do your inner healing, that opens
Speaker 3: the door for your higher self, your future self to
Speaker 3: come back and heal you. You see, do you hear
Speaker 3: the drum beat, that's what's going on, right, So they say,
Speaker 3: we are you, we are you, in the future, we
Speaker 3: are you, right, and because you did your work of
Speaker 3: healing yourself, you're in the future now, to your to
Speaker 3: your inner child, you are the future. Yeah, you are
Speaker 3: the future self. You don't even look like that. You
Speaker 3: don't even look like got y'all. You look at it
Speaker 3: all grown up now. So that's what's going on. That's
Speaker 3: what's going on.
Speaker 1: To me, like a level of raising collective consciousness too, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, A lot of that has to do with
Speaker 3: catharsists if you can, if you can think of it
Speaker 3: as since think of us as energy bodies, right, energy beings,
Speaker 3: and when you have and so energy can be positive
Speaker 3: or negative, you know, helpful or hurtful. So when you
Speaker 3: have these hurtful and negative experiences, that that becomes like
Speaker 3: a darkness or a lower vibrational frequency in your energy body. Right,
Speaker 3: So whenever you can resolve that that changes your vibration.
Speaker 3: That's so that that lower energy brings down the overall
Speaker 3: net energy of your whole body.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: I got to hear about some of these sasquatch stories
Speaker 1: that you are. You have a I know you have
Speaker 1: a show that you talk about Sasquatch. You've done, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of people who have had
Speaker 1: it pretty inemen encounters with these beings. Could you tell
Speaker 1: us your understanding a little bit about sasquatch.
Speaker 3: Yees Sasquatch. There are older brothers. Uh, they're they're part
Speaker 3: of the mix here on the planet and they they've
Speaker 3: been around for a really long time and they've been
Speaker 3: our teachers and mentors whenever we go into a dark
Speaker 3: age or whenever we move lose our spirituality, you know,
Speaker 3: like they talk about this is the fifth fourth Root
Speaker 3: race and we're going into the fifth Root race. That
Speaker 3: means that we had a civilization of the first Root
Speaker 3: race and that got wiped out, all life on the
Speaker 3: planet get all messed up, and then the second and
Speaker 3: the third, and we're in the fourth now and we're
Speaker 3: going to go into the fifth. Right each time, each
Speaker 3: time that we got wiped out spiritually, and you know,
Speaker 3: our shamans and our healers and our wisdom keepers and
Speaker 3: our spiritual people, they all were gone, right, even our
Speaker 3: language and our connection to Earth and all that stuff
Speaker 3: was gone. The sasquatch were there and they uh so
Speaker 3: they bring back the vibration of the of the humans.
Speaker 3: And you know, you do a when a shaman does
Speaker 3: a does you know he wants to tie with shamanic journey.
Speaker 3: He goes out to some rock on a mountains somewhere
Speaker 3: right and he basically goes there to die until he
Speaker 3: gets a vision, until he gets something. Well, the sasquatch
Speaker 3: of watching all this and they'll give the person the vision,
Speaker 3: or they give them the power animal, or they give
Speaker 3: them give them what they need. Same thing in in India,
Speaker 3: you know, it's the land of the gurus. When the
Speaker 3: guru wants to When the Guru says, I gotta I
Speaker 3: gotta become a guru, I gotta I gotta become enlightened,
Speaker 3: they go up to the holy mountains, these holy mountains
Speaker 3: and and and you know they sit in a cave
Speaker 3: somewhere and they sit there and somebody I got if
Speaker 3: they got one of their buddies comes and bring them
Speaker 3: a little bowl of rice every day or something. They're
Speaker 3: going up there to either become enlightened or die, and
Speaker 3: the sasquatch comes along and you know, boost up their
Speaker 3: energy or or make it something clear for them, you know,
Speaker 3: and then make them into like this guru and stuff.
Speaker 3: So these guys have been around a long time. They're
Speaker 3: on the same level as the ETS. As a matter
Speaker 3: of fact, they like, I have a list somewhere of
Speaker 3: like forty something things that the Sasquatch and the and
Speaker 3: the and the ets have in common. Forty things. Wow.
Speaker 1: Uh do you so you think some of these et
Speaker 1: races actually are involved with Sasquatch in some way?
Speaker 3: Oh? Yeah, yeah, it's but it's it's like a wide spectrum.
Speaker 3: There there's bad ET's, good ET's, there's bad Sasquats, a
Speaker 3: good sabs Squatch. There's a government involvement. There's six agencies
Speaker 3: in the federal in the United States. I don't not
Speaker 3: even sure what they all are. But they want to
Speaker 3: kill the Sasquatch. They want to kill the Sasquatch because
Speaker 3: sa squatch don't have any government, and they know how
Speaker 3: to go invisible, and and they're just like, you know,
Speaker 3: they're just they're's sort of like a they're sort of
Speaker 3: like the Watchers in a way. You know.
Speaker 1: That's one of the most fascinating aspects about the whole
Speaker 1: big Foot phenomenon is when I first started hearing about
Speaker 1: how they, you know, have possibly have the ability to
Speaker 1: go invisible, to go interdimensional shift their frequency, whatever is happening.
Speaker 1: What is your understanding of how or what they're doing there.
Speaker 3: That's a teaching when they do that. When they do that,
Speaker 3: that's a teaching. They're they're really interesting. People's like like, go,
Speaker 3: let's let me go back to let me go back
Speaker 3: to to the first guy that I that I met
Speaker 3: that was enlightened, right, and he had this mind speak thing, right,
Speaker 3: So I could hear people speak from two miles away, well,
Speaker 3: the Sasquatch, and I could hear what they were reading
Speaker 3: and I can understand them, right. So the Sasquatch can
Speaker 3: do that up to five ten miles away for one person,
Speaker 3: or they can do it around the world. I know
Speaker 3: I've experienced them. A guy on a radio show talking
Speaker 3: to sabsquatch in PC and talking to a lady who
Speaker 3: has problem with a horse in Australia and they're doing
Speaker 3: this mind speak thing and the Sasquatch was telling her
Speaker 3: what to do with their horse. So there's that mind
Speaker 3: speak thing, right, and then there's this. Then there's this
Speaker 3: thing of of the life review. Right. The cash a
Speaker 3: record where you go up to somebody and you can
Speaker 3: see every single record of what's going on in their
Speaker 3: life from birth to death. The sasquats do that too.
Speaker 3: If they're connected to you, they will know who you
Speaker 3: are from birth to death, right, and then they know
Speaker 3: how to like. But the other thing is that is
Speaker 3: they're not invasive. They they have like this. They don't
Speaker 3: want to be invasive because they respect our karma, they
Speaker 3: respect our life path, so that what they will do
Speaker 3: is they'll poke your feelings like you've got to poke
Speaker 3: in the feelings to go, let's look at the sasquatch,
Speaker 3: as simple as that. So oh, let's let's look at this.
Speaker 3: You know, that's what's the new buzzword going on. So
Speaker 3: they poke your feelings a little bit like that, very
Speaker 3: non invasive. You gotta be real subtle to understand how
Speaker 3: they showed me that there's there's a couple of thousand
Speaker 3: sasquats that are monitoring around four million people. Everybody who
Speaker 3: watches a sasquat show has there's a sasquatch who's been
Speaker 3: who's watching them watch the show.
Speaker 1: Wow, Now for the last show.
Speaker 3: The same thing for ets, the AT's watch like watch
Speaker 3: your show. They watch everybody's show. They see what's going on.
Speaker 3: They know what's going on, and they do the same thing.
Speaker 3: They don't come in here and tell us, oh, you
Speaker 3: got to do this, you got to do that. They
Speaker 3: just poke you with some feelings. They say, they upgrade
Speaker 3: you here. They make you feel better about this, or
Speaker 3: make you excited about Let's let me look about that,
Speaker 3: you know, and like for you, like you want to
Speaker 3: find out about consciousness. You want to find out about
Speaker 3: the history, and you want to find out about lives
Speaker 3: and corruption and conspiracy. You want to fight out all
Speaker 3: that stuff, and you want to find out the spiritual
Speaker 3: transformative stuff. You see, all those are not all exclusively yours,
Speaker 3: because there really is no exclusively you or me or anything.
Speaker 3: We're all kind of a conglomerate of one thing.
Speaker 1: Right on, man, Yeah, I love it. There is so
Speaker 1: many directions we could go from here, but for the
Speaker 1: last few minutes we have I want to get your
Speaker 1: thoughts on what is happening with the major changes in
Speaker 1: our collective consciousness right now and the direction that we're
Speaker 1: headed as people, as a humanity. If you have if
Speaker 1: you're encouraged about what's happening right now and where we're headed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think we're winning. We're winning. Uh you know,
Speaker 3: I don't, I don't I follow this what the what
Speaker 3: the ets are doing, you know, the wars in Heaven
Speaker 3: and the wars in the space and all that kinds.
Speaker 3: I kind of follow that and listen to the Corey
Speaker 3: good side and the Elena the Nana side and and uh,
Speaker 3: you know, and all all this stuff going on. Skulldugra
Speaker 3: is going on, and uh but I think, uh, you
Speaker 3: gotta you gotta go back and listen to the rocks
Speaker 3: and talk to the trees. Mother Earth herself is doing
Speaker 3: the work right. We are just the fleas on a dog,
Speaker 3: and she's doing her work. She's she's uh, she's ready
Speaker 3: to have big changes. And uh so I think that's
Speaker 3: there's this thing, right, there's this thing that's going on
Speaker 3: the planet. The ets are talking about it. This ET
Speaker 3: was talking to one of the friends, a human friend,
Speaker 3: and they were talking about, you know, doing human heat.
Speaker 3: The ET is healing humans and and doing that, and
Speaker 3: the ET said, well, we're on team inside out right.
Speaker 3: She kind of said it as a casual way, but
Speaker 3: I realized that that was a slang. And then I
Speaker 3: started looking at, well, what is the team inside out?
Speaker 3: And I knew what it was when when in terms
Speaker 3: of the terms of the the ets, because you know,
Speaker 3: ninety percent of people who've been on the craft they
Speaker 3: don't remember it, and yet they they're awakened. They start
Speaker 3: looking at this and changing their life and you know,
Speaker 3: resolving issues that they had and opening their mind to
Speaker 3: more possibilities. Right, so they're doing this team inside out.
Speaker 3: Dang right, well, Ray Hernandez, like I said, they got
Speaker 3: told please go and look at all these psychic phenomenas.
Speaker 3: So all these people doing the psychic stuff. There's psychic schools,
Speaker 3: there's there's the Ponte Pontel. You know, you ever heard
Speaker 3: of those guys out right that was with with Sue Walker.
Speaker 3: They're teaching people how to do that, right, The sasquatch
Speaker 3: are teaching people how to go invisible. I got my
Speaker 3: leg to go invisible. That was pretty cool.
Speaker 1: And uh, yeah, you had a sasquatch instructing you on
Speaker 1: how to go tell us a little bit about that.
Speaker 2: Huh, a little bit about it?
Speaker 3: Uh again, you know this is I'm not a normal guy,
Speaker 3: and and uh but but in some ways I am,
Speaker 3: because I'm just this guy, right, But uh, I was
Speaker 3: watching videos back then and I had already had like
Speaker 3: a shamanic journey with these guys, and they gave me
Speaker 3: this vision and it lasted for three hours with having
Speaker 3: me talk to a rock that was pretty cool, and
Speaker 3: the rock talk for three hours about the beginning of
Speaker 3: the beginning of humanity and how not the beginning of
Speaker 3: human and the beginning of all life, and how all
Speaker 3: life is made out of water rock. So that was
Speaker 3: like one thing. So then it's like a couple of
Speaker 3: years later they were They took about two more years
Speaker 3: after that after I was friends with them, where they
Speaker 3: would talk to me about the all one and no space,
Speaker 3: and the all one is you kind of figure out
Speaker 3: what the all one is, but no space is different.
Speaker 3: No spaces is like there's me right, I'm here, I'm
Speaker 3: talking now, and I'm going right here to my computer
Speaker 3: and there's a space there, right, and then there's a
Speaker 3: space from my computer to your computer goes all the
Speaker 3: way from Savannah to Colorado, and then there's the space
Speaker 3: of the computer to you. Well, they live in no
Speaker 3: space where there is no space, and that's like another
Speaker 3: level of all one. So it took them two years
Speaker 3: for them to get in my head what it means
Speaker 3: to live in all space and no one in all one. Okay,
Speaker 3: so they know, like I said, they had my life review.
Speaker 3: They've known everything that's happened to me my whole life.
Speaker 3: And so I was listening to the front Seater program.
Speaker 3: It was a channel on YouTube, and and there was
Speaker 3: this lady there name what was her name, I forget
Speaker 3: the name of it. She was talking. She was a
Speaker 3: channel she channels the Sabsquatch people, and and uh, one
Speaker 3: of the channelings of Sabsquatched people was talking to her
Speaker 3: about is how they go invisible. And they go invisible
Speaker 3: by breathing into their breathing light into their heart and
Speaker 3: then increase the light in their heart until the they
Speaker 3: what they call glow. It glows, Your heart glows. It
Speaker 3: is like a meditation. And then when your heart glows,
Speaker 3: you can spread that out to your whole body. And
Speaker 3: when you can keep the glow going, then your combody
Speaker 3: just disappears. Right. So I was listening to her talk
Speaker 3: about this, right, so I'm actually watching this video just
Speaker 3: like I am now watching this video. And then my
Speaker 3: Sasquatch teacher mentor friend brother. He sticks his hand inside
Speaker 3: my heart. This guy, if you can imagine a heart,
Speaker 3: a hand about this big, like this in my hands,
Speaker 3: this big eat twice sticks his invisible hand inside my
Speaker 3: heart and took over my breathing. It was like it's
Speaker 3: really deep, really fast, you know, like connected breathing, really fast,
Speaker 3: connected deep, connected breathing. They start breathing, breathing, breathing and breathing.
Speaker 3: And when he did, he put energy into my heart.
Speaker 3: And since I had already had an initiation from a
Speaker 3: giru and I already had an initiation for the mother
Speaker 3: of Everything, I knew exactly exactly what he was doing.
Speaker 3: He was initiating me into heartlight meditation and then and
Speaker 3: I already had thirteen years of meditation, so it's not
Speaker 3: like it was like a big stretch or anything. So
Speaker 3: I knew exactly what to do. And so I just
Speaker 3: started meditating every night, and I did that for another
Speaker 3: maybe three or four or five months. I wasn't really
Speaker 3: super trying to trying to go get go anything invisible
Speaker 3: or anything like that, because like you know, I don't
Speaker 3: I don't don't care that much about it. But after
Speaker 3: about four months and I was, you know, I had
Speaker 3: this heartlight meditation down pretty good. He came along one
Speaker 3: night when it took over my breath again, and he
Speaker 3: took over my breath and and uh so I was
Speaker 3: houghing pretty strong and like this guy win half right,
Speaker 3: it's sort of like that kind of breathing. And then okay,
Speaker 3: it got to where I was panicking because it was like,
Speaker 3: you know, if you hyperventilate, right, you get to that
Speaker 3: point where you kind of panic. And when I panic,
Speaker 3: I sat up in bed and when I sat up
Speaker 3: in bed, uh, one of my legs was gone. It
Speaker 3: was in I could still feel it, but it was gone.
Speaker 3: It was completely invisible, and I go, holy shit. Anyways, anyway,
Speaker 3: so that's when they go. When they go invisible like that,
Speaker 3: they're teaching you, right, who can do that? Only masters
Speaker 3: can do that? Will they talk? When people talk about
Speaker 3: eye shine? Right? Eye shine? And I can't tell you
Speaker 3: about eye shine. Well. The second enlightened men that I
Speaker 3: ever met was a guy named Street Shimoy and Street
Speaker 3: Chimoy Street Chimoy. He had a program, right, so, so
Speaker 3: it was in Miami and I went to this program,
Speaker 3: went with a friend of mine, and I thought he
Speaker 3: was going to be at Guru, thought he was going
Speaker 3: to talk and stuff like this, and but he never talked.
Speaker 3: He came out on the stage and there was there
Speaker 3: was like a little one of those auditorium kind of
Speaker 3: places where where you know, like where you have a
Speaker 3: high school graduation. So it was like a big indoor
Speaker 3: theater kind of thing. So he's sitting there and he
Speaker 3: just like closes his eyes and into Samadi and then
Speaker 3: the lights went way down, and then he started looking
Speaker 3: at people. And I was sitting on to his his left,
Speaker 3: so it was yeah, he was yes his left and
Speaker 3: I was kind of high up, and he was started
Speaker 3: swimming and looking at each person. Right, And when he
Speaker 3: came around and looked at me, this guy had light
Speaker 3: coming out of his eyes. He had there was light
Speaker 3: inside him, and I knew like that, I knew that
Speaker 3: that was a lot of God. He had the light
Speaker 3: of God coming out of his eyes. He was enlightened
Speaker 3: his energy, right. He the same thing as like the
Speaker 3: sasquaestion you're talking about. You amp up the energy. When
Speaker 3: you amp up the energy, it turns to light. And
Speaker 3: when it turns into light enough, the light will come
Speaker 3: out of your eyes. When you hear about eyeshine, when
Speaker 3: you hear it from now on, when you hear about eyeshine,
Speaker 3: they're they're teaching you, they're saying, you know, That's why
Speaker 3: sometimes you could if you tried to shoot one of
Speaker 3: these guys and they're in a really high state of
Speaker 3: like really near invisibility or they're in light that in
Speaker 3: light thing, you can't kill them. You have to catch
Speaker 3: them when they're just normal, then you could be maybe
Speaker 3: maybe kill them. But that's really how you're talking about.
Speaker 3: If the if the Sabsquatch researchers knew this, if they
Speaker 3: knew that the Sasquatch has showing them the light of
Speaker 3: God out of their own eyes, then people would just
Speaker 3: like flop over full out prostration, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: because if you know what I'm saying, I don't know
Speaker 3: how many people have ever experienced what it's like to
Speaker 3: be in the presence of God. But I mean, that's
Speaker 3: that's not something your body deals with real good. It's
Speaker 3: like you're just like explosion of power of stuff, right
Speaker 3: of gratitude of awe wonder. So that's what's going on.
Speaker 3: So in a way, the sasquatch or like greening human
Speaker 3: human humanity. Right, they're they're they're they're growing us up
Speaker 3: in a way. But it's gonna be a long time
Speaker 3: because you look at what's going on with the history
Speaker 3: of the of the UFOs, right, the UFO people they
Speaker 3: were monsters. They're gonna eat you, they abduct to you,
Speaker 3: they're gonna torture you.
Speaker 1: Or the War of the World is the War of the.
Speaker 3: World, everybody's gonna die, right. That went on for like
Speaker 3: thirty years, right, So we're still in the first ten
Speaker 3: or twelve years of the sasquatch thing, and they're still
Speaker 3: into their monsters and other people. They're monsters, they're people.
Speaker 3: They're monsters, they're gonna eat you, they're dog man and
Speaker 3: all that kind of stuff. Dog Men are actually really
Speaker 3: cool people too. But I don't enough that. I don't
Speaker 3: know if that really covered, that really covered y.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bet, this is great. We're gonna have to definitely
Speaker 1: have you back on. There's so many different rabbit holes
Speaker 1: we could jump in to discuss. This was fantastic. But
Speaker 1: before you head out, Michael, let the audience know where
Speaker 1: they can find you, which you're offering them all your sites, YouTube,
Speaker 1: all the good stuff.
Speaker 3: Well, it's real simple. I'm not a salesman and I
Speaker 3: don'tn't do anything for money. I'm not trying to get
Speaker 3: rich and I'm not trying to save your soul or
Speaker 3: anything like that. But I do have probably the best
Speaker 3: healing modeality in the world. It's called Languae Lessons of
Speaker 3: the Heart. There's a group on Facebook that you can
Speaker 3: you can join and and it's for free. Uh. You
Speaker 3: can go to my uh YouTube channel called just Michael
Speaker 3: Harrel and I have a playlist on there. Uh you
Speaker 3: know that that covers the language Lessons of the Heart
Speaker 3: teaching and it's free. Right. So, so to me, if
Speaker 3: the number one thing needed to be done on this
Speaker 3: world is to heal, is the healing of all of
Speaker 3: your emotion about it. Get that's get that sort of
Speaker 3: out because we can't go into a new we can't
Speaker 3: go into a new reality, a new thing with the
Speaker 3: same you know, dirty house that we had. It doesn't
Speaker 3: work that way. We won't even be able to recognize it,
Speaker 3: and or we will just pull this predatory culture along
Speaker 3: with us into the Ohio vibration. There's a lot of
Speaker 3: that going on. There's a lot of that went on
Speaker 3: in the in the UH. When you start talking to
Speaker 3: the ets, you go, oh, here's these people over here
Speaker 3: that're fighting there. It's because they brought their predatory you know.
Speaker 3: So there's a war and O'Ryan, there's a war an
Speaker 3: arc tourists, and there's these you know, there's the Draco wars.
Speaker 3: There's all these wars going on in space. That's the
Speaker 3: reason why is because they didn't resolve their issues. They
Speaker 3: reach their spirituality without resolving their issues, and that's why
Speaker 3: it's such a big deal on Earth and why everybody's
Speaker 3: going into like, resolve your issues before you try to
Speaker 3: get into this super spiritual world. Right because like I said,
Speaker 3: remember when I said I started, You can reach an
Speaker 3: enlightenment and it doesn't touch your emotional body. You can
Speaker 3: have Kundalini awakened and be fully awakened and it doesn't
Speaker 3: resolve your emotional issues. You still got those. And you
Speaker 3: can have a near death experience and you have ten
Speaker 3: near death experiences if you want, and it doesn't I know,
Speaker 3: lady has had five near death experiences. And this lady
Speaker 3: is a train.
Speaker 1: Wreck, right, Yeah, it sounds like the differ she's.
Speaker 3: Got the show. She got the show and everything, but
Speaker 3: but her herself broken. She's broken person.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like the difference being on the light
Speaker 1: side of the dark side of the force. Right, if
Speaker 1: you take care of your issues, you might end up
Speaker 1: on the light side, or you.
Speaker 3: Might just understand that that the great mother of everything
Speaker 3: is in the darkness. So you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's not like it's not like you think the reason
Speaker 3: why we fear the darkness is because that's where the
Speaker 3: pain is. And when you write and when you go
Speaker 3: and resolve that pain, that is the alchemy of turning
Speaker 3: the lead into gold. You have the golden child, and
Speaker 3: you want that golden child because that's the one that's
Speaker 3: gonna take you into the next into the next round.
Speaker 1: I love it, man, this was fantastic. Well, Michael, like
Speaker 1: I said, we're gonna have to definitely have you back
Speaker 1: on again. We'll get even for next time.
Speaker 3: I'm game. Yeah, I got a whole I got I
Speaker 3: got what do you call a pdf? Not pdf? I
Speaker 3: got like keynote, So I got like five keynote things.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna I'm maybe gonna start doing that this year,
Speaker 3: do a keynote.
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