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Speaker 1: the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege
Speaker 1: of having mister Benfreed back on the show from Bigfoot
Speaker 1: Ops out there in the great state of Washington, kind
Speaker 1: of close to the Mount Rainier area, a little bit
Speaker 1: to the west there. But welcome back to the show. Ben.
Speaker 1: How's it going great?
Speaker 2: Great? Thanks for having me back on again. If we
Speaker 2: can make this interesting for.
Speaker 1: You, absolutely, I mean the first first episode was why
Speaker 1: I loved it. It was it was wild. I thoroughly
Speaker 1: enjoyed editing it because it was such so so interesting.
Speaker 1: I'll say that. But you know, Ben, I'm going to
Speaker 1: ask you some stuff right off the bat here, just
Speaker 1: so I make sure I get it in your area
Speaker 1: which is Ashford, Washington. Correct.
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, it's just outside the city of Ashford, gotcha.
Speaker 1: And it's in the area of Mount Rainier as well. Uh.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had any experiences with interactions with with
Speaker 1: rangers or law enforcement regarding bigfoot in that area?
Speaker 2: Uh? Quite often. At dn R, actually, not so much
Speaker 2: rangers because we're not in the park. We're just we're
Speaker 2: just basically west and I would say more southwest of
Speaker 2: the park. But DNR, which is the Department Natural Resources, Yes,
Speaker 2: they have law enforcement out there and just recently, matter
Speaker 2: of fact, ran into them just the other within the
Speaker 2: last few days, because they go out there quite a lot.
Speaker 2: But the interesting encounters with them is they don't want
Speaker 2: to say too much because they ask you a lot
Speaker 2: of questions and everything, and I've never been able to
Speaker 2: get them to really I mean, when they see us,
Speaker 2: they always talk about our research out there, and they
Speaker 2: want to talk about it. They get interested, but they
Speaker 2: really don't say too much on their side.
Speaker 1: They're holding the cards close to them to seeing perhaps
Speaker 1: maybe they're even how far are these guys? How close
Speaker 1: are these guys getting? You know, are they there yet?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It's a lot of conjecture there, but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've had seven We've had unexplained things happen. Like
Speaker 2: we were an area we were doing some testing on.
Speaker 2: We were feeding feeding them just to see what kind
Speaker 2: of stuff that they would take and what they would eat.
Speaker 2: We actually talked to the D and R offs about
Speaker 2: it and he was asking us about it, so we
Speaker 2: told him and we showed him where it was at
Speaker 2: and everything to the ass and approximately I think it
Speaker 2: was about a week and a half later, that area
Speaker 2: was logged out and they had brought a bunch of
Speaker 2: dirt in and completely covered that area from they were
Speaker 2: working on the bridge. They're putting the bridge back and
Speaker 2: we're trying to figure out why they would put dirt.
Speaker 2: It's almost like two miles away dumped the dirt in
Speaker 2: that particular spot, which was strange. We thought, we thought
Speaker 2: it was strange. So and so and seven out of
Speaker 2: the seven area sites we have, they've logged five of
Speaker 2: them and closed off those areas. So we're pretty much
Speaker 2: tight lift about what we're doing with them. Now, we
Speaker 2: don't say too much completely it could be completely coincidence,
Speaker 2: so they'll get me wrong. All of a sudden, you
Speaker 2: see these flags pop up in the areas are getting
Speaker 2: logged out. It doesn't change the bigfoot activity. Actually, it
Speaker 2: just means it just makes it more difficult because they
Speaker 2: like to have cover and stuff like that, so it
Speaker 2: just makes it they're coming from a different way or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's it. That's extremely interesting. I mean, as as
Speaker 1: you mentioned, after experiencing the potential of what that meant,
Speaker 1: I might be a little careful who I talked to
Speaker 1: as well. So even stating that it's is, I'm, you know,
Speaker 1: realizing how much of a privilege it is to have
Speaker 1: you on this program sharing about what you've experienced over
Speaker 1: the last it was fifteen years, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 2: It'll be fifteen years actually in June.
Speaker 1: So now, when I was editing our last episode, there
Speaker 1: was a that you had I believe mentioned at the end,
Speaker 1: and I want to make sure that we definitely talk
Speaker 1: about it. But you had mentioned that you've had some
Speaker 1: really interesting experiences regarding infrasound.
Speaker 2: I actually have equipment to tests that for that out
Speaker 2: there to the in for twenty I think I should
Speaker 2: send a picture that also it monitors infra sound. Now
Speaker 2: you can't on research wise, you can't go by whether weather, water,
Speaker 2: wind can affect the different sound weights, and you can
Speaker 2: get pick up infestund that way also, so and even
Speaker 2: we're also night next to a volcano. So but at
Speaker 2: the time you have to relate it to any activity
Speaker 2: having going on with the big twit or whatever. Sometimes
Speaker 2: the areas are like strangely quiet, I would say, and
Speaker 2: we'll get infrasound out there, partial parts of it like
Speaker 2: letting heard or sometimes you can get dangerous levels too,
Speaker 2: which is around seven seven herds. So and they're just sporadic,
Speaker 2: they're not continuous, but you could have you know, like
Speaker 2: a earthquakes, and we don't texts everything, so unfortunately you
Speaker 2: have to be really careful on your findings. You can't
Speaker 2: just say everything's a big foot out there. There's a
Speaker 2: lot of environment involved in.
Speaker 1: That absolutely, And I think that's why I enjoy talking
Speaker 1: to an individual like yourself, because it's almost like you
Speaker 1: at times are you know, you're you're very aware of
Speaker 1: what it means to say yeah, this was probably bigfoot
Speaker 1: related and you seem to be very aware of what
Speaker 1: you guys are experiencing out there, but not not a
Speaker 1: Bigfoot on the brain type situation. But you just mentioned
Speaker 1: there are certain levels that you look for regarding in
Speaker 1: for sound with this device. Can you talk a little
Speaker 1: bit more about that.
Speaker 2: Well, well, look, anything blow nineteen hertz is infrasound, so sound.
Speaker 2: We use it also to study their vocalizations and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and some of their vocalizations, like the ones
Speaker 2: I think we went earlier on Thewers show with checks
Speaker 2: recordings had infrasound in the female vocal responses. They'll pick
Speaker 2: it up on that, so we know there's in some
Speaker 2: of their vocalizations they do infrasound as they're calling back
Speaker 2: or whatever. We can't, you know, we can't just say
Speaker 2: that's part of part of the thing that I'm just
Speaker 2: noting that in their vocalizations they do have some kind
Speaker 2: of infersound in some of their vocalization. Not all the
Speaker 2: vocalizations have that, but some of the some of thos do.
Speaker 1: That's interesting when you listen to a vocalization recording like
Speaker 1: that that includes it, is it a potential to have
Speaker 1: this same effects from listening to that recording as opposed
Speaker 1: to listening to it live.
Speaker 2: Well infrasound. The thing is is that it affects people differently,
Speaker 2: like the feeling of dread and stuff people get when
Speaker 2: you get that ear feeling in the force itself, because
Speaker 2: Yankees notorious for that, where it's really extremely more than quiet.
Speaker 2: I mean it's just dead quiet, nothing going on, and
Speaker 2: it just gets that eary feeling and everything. And when
Speaker 2: you pull out your handhelds, you'll sit there and have
Speaker 2: normal readings, and all of a sudden you'll start getting
Speaker 2: these partial infrasound or you're running the other monitor. We
Speaker 2: have both. We have handhelds and that, but you partially
Speaker 2: get some things where it'll show eleven herbs and everything,
Speaker 2: and it's different hurts. It can affect people differently. You
Speaker 2: can make you physically sick, give you headaches, you can
Speaker 2: start seeing things, hearing things. I like to say, we
Speaker 2: actually had research other where you thinks you were minds
Speaker 2: speaking with him and I just kind of like roll
Speaker 2: my eyes. But I've never experienced that in anybody else
Speaker 2: out there has and just been taking the beds and
Speaker 2: he just leaves in the mind speaking thing. So, but
Speaker 2: I believe that's the cause of that, because when he
Speaker 2: was actually seeing he thought this was going on. I
Speaker 2: actually got readings of eleven hurts out there, which was
Speaker 2: an infra sound and there's nothing. There was no planes
Speaker 2: going over at the time or any kind of wind
Speaker 2: or anything going on. So I assume that might maybe
Speaker 2: that way. It could be. He's a very intelligent person.
Speaker 2: I'm just no one to think that he's crazy, you know, sure,
Speaker 2: but I tell him, you know, I'm not experiencing anything
Speaker 2: out there on that particular level.
Speaker 1: Okay, I think you'd mentioned as well that there's a
Speaker 1: level that could be considered dangerous.
Speaker 2: Seven hurts. Can you a long time exposure? Can it can?
Speaker 2: It causes disruption of the organs in your body. Now
Speaker 2: people can look this up to see the things I'm
Speaker 2: talking about, but it's a resonating frequency is to actually
Speaker 2: pressure wave. But it can be disrupt your internal organs.
Speaker 2: It could give me a heart attack or you know.
Speaker 2: I don't know what the other causes could do beyond
Speaker 2: app physical league, but that is one of them. I
Speaker 2: do know my personal experience, and I'll tell you where
Speaker 2: I related to where I got interested in the imperson
Speaker 2: the first service because at an incident where I was
Speaker 2: with my wife down Charlie, I was taking a nap
Speaker 2: in the back of my RV and I was waiting
Speaker 2: for it to get dark. And this was later in
Speaker 2: the evening and she had heard something out there rustling
Speaker 2: around behind a big stump out there. She said, there's
Speaker 2: something out there. People come looking back up. So I
Speaker 2: kind of like jumped off the back of the RV,
Speaker 2: took about two steps, and actually before I even actually
Speaker 2: hit the ground, I was already projectile vomiting. I mean
Speaker 2: it was it was ruthless. I mean, I couldn't stop,
Speaker 2: you know, heaving. It was just like, oh, you know.
Speaker 2: I threw my hands up in the air and they
Speaker 2: called basically back in RV and I said it in
Speaker 2: there for the next twelve hours dry heating, and it
Speaker 2: was just a terrible experience. It was like death worn
Speaker 2: rover from that that experience. And it lasted for twelve hours,
Speaker 2: like I said, And the next morning I was fine,
Speaker 2: no physical, you know, lasting thing from it or whatever.
Speaker 2: I didn't have a headache or anything. It was just
Speaker 2: being sick. And then actually I went back into but
Speaker 2: the next weekend I went back out about a quarter
Speaker 2: mile away from that site, and actually, as I was
Speaker 2: doing some recording some some vocalizations which were Aluman came
Speaker 2: across the road from me. It hit me again. And
Speaker 2: there's no you don't feel it coming. You don't feel
Speaker 2: any like you don't people talking about the game as
Speaker 2: and like electric. It doesn't hit you. You just don't know.
Speaker 2: It just hits you. You just start I just start heaving.
Speaker 2: And that lasted for about four hours, and it did
Speaker 2: the same thing to me. It just basically incapacitated for
Speaker 2: you can't do anything.
Speaker 1: That sounds extremely well, very extreme.
Speaker 2: Extremely uncomfortable. Yeah, it's a defencing mechanism. Like I said,
Speaker 2: I tried to jump when I we noticed that the
Speaker 2: second time. I don't know exactly what triggered that because
Speaker 2: I was just standing there with my recording equipment and
Speaker 2: they were actually across the road from me, which is
Speaker 2: probably a ten foot wide the road and earned some
Speaker 2: brush right there, and I was getting you some mutilizations
Speaker 2: out of there. Now, I don't know what triggered that.
Speaker 2: I'd been there for a while, but definitely the first
Speaker 2: time I jumped and I was heading in that direction
Speaker 2: where my wife had heard the sound and it was
Speaker 2: not probably fifty feet away, and I believe I had
Speaker 2: my phone in my hand at the time or to
Speaker 2: take pictures or get pictures of it, or my gun.
Speaker 2: I can't remember because I was so missed up afterwards.
Speaker 2: But anyway, that was definitely I was running towards a
Speaker 2: creature and I got basically that's what I got from that,
Speaker 2: and it stopped me dead in my tracks. But it
Speaker 2: was just sally unique because I didn't feel intigling, didn't
Speaker 2: feel anything. I was, just, like I said, literally in
Speaker 2: miday or jumping off my back of my RV. And
Speaker 2: I was not sick. I was I've never been that
Speaker 2: sick of my life, actually, and twice within a week
Speaker 2: that happened. But I've never been that sick. But I
Speaker 2: had no indications of anything. I was completely fine. I
Speaker 2: hadn't even eaten yet, so there was no reason to
Speaker 2: be sick. But I didn't. It's not like a true
Speaker 2: symptoms if it was just checked albomitting. So terrible experience,
Speaker 2: but that's that's a defensive response. I believe that the
Speaker 2: adults have and like I said, affects people different ways.
Speaker 2: And then I don't think I've talked that off to
Speaker 2: was infra sound. That would the only think it would
Speaker 2: be possibly you know where it could possibly be.
Speaker 1: Has that kind of thing also happened to other members
Speaker 1: of your team as well.
Speaker 2: No, Unfortunately they don't get out of nothing to do
Speaker 2: like I do. They a lot of them do. They're
Speaker 2: recording things. I'm more scouting and getting out and I
Speaker 2: was out there a lot more, staying overnight for days
Speaker 2: at a time. So I'm out there with my wife
Speaker 2: or just me sometimes and that's when I get affected more.
Speaker 2: They've done more stuff to me than my groups were
Speaker 2: always grouped up. We've had a few encounters, you know.
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I discussed about Delta where
Speaker 2: we walked up we were calling them out there. I
Speaker 2: don't remember that big.
Speaker 1: For a society who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: But anyway, they as we come back from that night,
Speaker 2: we figured they were out there. We couldn't understand why
Speaker 2: we weren't get any calls back and everything. And as
Speaker 2: we walked through the road, the thing actually, uh, make
Speaker 2: a bunch of noise off to my right as we're
Speaker 2: walking up the road in this pitch black out there
Speaker 2: and it shook the tree. And that's definitely an adult response,
Speaker 2: because adults always seemed to let you know they're there.
Speaker 2: The juvenals don't make any sounds. Usually, they're pretty quiet
Speaker 2: most night. You might they knock sometimes and found them
Speaker 2: rocks or you know, rock clock or something, but other
Speaker 2: than that, they don't do too much in response.
Speaker 1: And as the vocals, I don't believe that we we
Speaker 1: talked about that. That is extremely.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because there was actually two. There was one behind
Speaker 2: us too. As it's as I was actually I was
Speaker 2: second behind Chuck. He was in the lead. But I
Speaker 2: had heard something off to my right, you know, like
Speaker 2: a little bit of brush movement, So I knew something
Speaker 2: was there, but it was dark as were walking back
Speaker 2: and kind of caught check off guard. But it went
Speaker 2: he shook the tree. I mean it literally shook the tree.
Speaker 2: He thought, damn, you know, the tree just exploded out there.
Speaker 2: It was just shaking it, and like I said, check
Speaker 2: off guard, so he pulled his gun. It was you know,
Speaker 2: it's scared. There's just a reaction for him. But anyway,
Speaker 2: as it did it, you could actually hear it take
Speaker 2: two steps and stop, which is unusual for him. Normally
Speaker 2: we hear them they just run away. It sounds like
Speaker 2: a big heavy guy at darg out. Just they just
Speaker 2: tear off. And you hear this wie pedal feet running
Speaker 2: off this into two steps and just stood there. And
Speaker 2: I didn't even actually know what to do because it
Speaker 2: kind of caught me off guard because I had just
Speaker 2: turned off my thermal camera. I was gonna stand it,
Speaker 2: and I said, I really didn't want to pop that
Speaker 2: thing back up there and turn it on. And I says, hmm.
Speaker 2: But when we heard the branch break behind us on
Speaker 2: the other part of the road, we thought, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: they always do like to flank you. They do. They
Speaker 2: an'ts do that a lot. We thought, well, it was
Speaker 2: best to leave it alone. Just we're too close to
Speaker 2: us in the build. Okay, he was probably within eight
Speaker 2: eighteen peep. We just couldn't see him and the other
Speaker 2: side of the tree. So we just kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: we'll just want to run back up to the trucks.
Speaker 2: Especially what we did, because it did they actually caught
Speaker 2: us off guard in a bad situation.
Speaker 1: So is is having to have There been other times
Speaker 1: where you've had to draw your your firearms as well
Speaker 1: or was that a pretty unique situation.
Speaker 2: No, that was a unique situation. And I said, Jack,
Speaker 2: we usually because we don't go out there calling them
Speaker 2: and then oh we're going to shoot them. That doesn't
Speaker 2: make sense. Like I said, we're up there trying to
Speaker 2: steady in their behaviors and everything else to draw our firearms.
Speaker 2: Just like I said, it just totally caught check off guards.
Speaker 2: So now this so, Chuck, we've put that thing wait
Speaker 2: for her, you know her flow this year and which
Speaker 2: last year we actually had the same kind of incident
Speaker 2: where one come in down on just on Camp Charlie,
Speaker 2: also at the west end, and that's the one you're
Speaker 2: recording to think I sent you there where it sounds
Speaker 2: like it's talking kind of like it's but we had
Speaker 2: to make sure it wasn't a bear or whatever because
Speaker 2: it did sound bear like. But there's no blackbird going
Speaker 2: to come into camp down and where we were at.
Speaker 2: So and we actually I had it sent off to
Speaker 2: the state. The guy that actually used to work for
Speaker 2: State of Washington wild just for the State of Washington.
Speaker 2: He examined that and he said, let's not a bear.
Speaker 2: And I had David Ellis do it because we just
Speaker 2: didn't want to pop off and say this was, uh
Speaker 2: a bear or not a bear, So we just there.
Speaker 2: Everybody we send it to, we had five people of
Speaker 2: validated it wasn't a bear.
Speaker 1: Which is great to get that that type of response
Speaker 1: back from so many all the people that.
Speaker 2: Was the cheering today I did talk about though, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think I was talking about it was a cherry out.
Speaker 2: But see those kind of instance you learn things that
Speaker 2: we don't always have our firearms once, like I said,
Speaker 2: most time we were sending or leading in the struct
Speaker 2: or whatever, because like I said, we're not going to
Speaker 2: go start shooting up the woods and everything. It's just
Speaker 2: for general protection because we are dealing with things we
Speaker 2: don't completely know anything about or how they're going to
Speaker 2: respond to things. So they definitely don't like guns.
Speaker 1: So you know, when I get reports from the Pacific
Speaker 1: Northwest and southeast Alaska, uh, I see a pattern that
Speaker 1: that comes out sometimes. I'm just curious if you, if
Speaker 1: you EXPERI variance any of this in your area as well,
Speaker 1: do you ever get any reports at all where the
Speaker 1: person will say it had qualities of like an orangutan
Speaker 1: at all?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, we had discussion quite often because I'm studying
Speaker 2: their behavior more or less than I do than the
Speaker 2: audios and stuff, and we just we have disagreements. But
Speaker 2: I've been out there for a long as long as
Speaker 2: it's their cognitive thinking, they don't really have thinking beyond pates,
Speaker 2: as I say, for prep like we could roll up
Speaker 2: on mes, but there problem solving skills only go to
Speaker 2: a certain level and then they start and they don't
Speaker 2: pursue it like a human does, which leaves me believe
Speaker 2: that they don't have that ability. I don't know what
Speaker 2: the word I wanted to use was, really, uh how many?
Speaker 2: How many or whatever would probably be something in our past,
Speaker 2: because they don't seem to have past that. It seems
Speaker 2: to be like ape like thinking. You know, they're smart,
Speaker 2: I would put it in. I would have to say
Speaker 2: they're above a little bit above eight, but they're not
Speaker 2: quite human on their problem solving skills. Gotcha if that
Speaker 2: makes sense to you, Yeah, that's it. That's what I've
Speaker 2: gathered and that's what I'm studying, is all their behaviors
Speaker 2: and stuff like that in regards to how they react
Speaker 2: and how their thinking is. But they are smart for
Speaker 2: their environment. Like I said, that's why people. A lot
Speaker 2: of people get confused because they are adapted for the
Speaker 2: forest out there and all their abilities and everything tends
Speaker 2: to do that. On their hunting skills, I mean, they're impressive.
Speaker 2: That's why I always say it's impressive on theirs hunting
Speaker 2: skills and stuff like that, and the way they use stealth,
Speaker 2: but that's adapted for their environment. I mean it's I
Speaker 2: always tell them, I says, well, if they were a human,
Speaker 2: they probably be used taking roll of toilet paper or
Speaker 2: something else with them out there or whatever. But in
Speaker 2: their structures that they're building, it's pretty primitive and basic.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people give like to giving human
Speaker 2: qualities where I disagree. I don't see any human qualities
Speaker 2: regarding that at.
Speaker 1: All, gotcha. So studying their behavior and just being out
Speaker 1: in the field for so long, are there certain things
Speaker 1: where if you experience and outside of seeing the creature,
Speaker 1: let's say you experience or hear something or something happens,
Speaker 1: are there a few things where it'll you'll be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm dealing with a bigfoot right now. That just happened.
Speaker 2: Well, the adults when they usually when I use the
Speaker 2: thing for adults is that they'll sound like a bulldozer
Speaker 2: going through the brush. And you can't call everything because
Speaker 2: that could be a giant outcome. To see the outcome
Speaker 2: do there too, but you have to relate a lot
Speaker 2: of things to it. Is that. Okay, what else besides
Speaker 2: that noise you're hearing back? Most time when they make
Speaker 2: this brush noise or whatever, they'll start throwing rocks. And
Speaker 2: that's what usually gives you indications that, Okay, I'm dealing
Speaker 2: with a bigfoot, not an elk out there, or you
Speaker 2: get or you might there's a lot of factory because
Speaker 2: we don't like to call everything because it's fooling yourself, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, there's other creatures out there, and a lot
Speaker 2: of people like to call, you know, say oh that's
Speaker 2: a big foot. That's a big foot, that's a big foot,
Speaker 2: or I get the typtical, Oh that's a deer, that's
Speaker 2: an alk, that's a squirrel. You know, And it's easy
Speaker 2: for people to do that. When I give them recordings,
Speaker 2: they'll sit there and say, there spy different creatures sitting
Speaker 2: right there. Oh that's a you know, let's say it's
Speaker 2: a knocking sound, Well that's a elk, it's deer on
Speaker 2: a rubbing on a tree, and that other sound there,
Speaker 2: that other knocking sound. There's a squirrel opening, you know, cracking,
Speaker 2: and that opened up front a stone, and all this
Speaker 2: stick your head because you know they don't want to
Speaker 2: put these things all together. And then they'll sit there
Speaker 2: and say, well, I don't know what that sound is.
Speaker 2: You know, we'll get it like a raspy sound or something,
Speaker 2: and they say, well, I can't identify that, but the
Speaker 2: rest of them is definitely. All these other creatures in there, deer,
Speaker 2: an elk, and bear are all in the same area,
Speaker 2: in the same spot. It makes no sense, you know.
Speaker 2: But again, we don't like to say everything is that.
Speaker 2: We have to go through a lot of stuff on
Speaker 2: our audios to make sure. You know, we're just saying
Speaker 2: it's unknown. We know it's not a deer. We just
Speaker 2: take things off the listically, well, that's not an elk.
Speaker 2: We know that's not a deer. That's not a coyote,
Speaker 2: that's out of cougar. I mean, there's so many different
Speaker 2: animals out there, and we get fooled every once in
Speaker 2: a while, like a nighthawk will make it sound like
Speaker 2: sounds like a roaring sound out there, and I was
Speaker 2: totally amazed when David but they told me the night
Speaker 2: off and sure enough, that's what it was when we
Speaker 2: went to mcculay library. He's really good at that stuff.
Speaker 2: So for identification, did you get a lot of misidentification
Speaker 2: people us all here, you know? And they can cause
Speaker 2: that too. Let me back at up a little bit,
Speaker 2: because they, like said on mimicking on their oil mimicking,
Speaker 2: they're very very good. It's very difficult to tell the
Speaker 2: difference between the real isle and them, and you have
Speaker 2: to relate other things going on. Sometimes we'll hear uh.
Speaker 2: One time I heard a vocalization, Uh, three vocalizations come
Speaker 2: out of the same spot. We heard a kyo an now,
Speaker 2: and I heard a squatch call, all in the same
Speaker 2: general area. So like you have to you have to
Speaker 2: really look into your stuff. And like we're doing this
Speaker 2: so we don't. We're just there's nobody in here we're
Speaker 2: playing for that. We just share these things we already
Speaker 2: out with you or whatever. But people can hear these things.
Speaker 2: But there's no game for us to hoax ourselves or
Speaker 2: you know, but well, this fooling ourselves for any kind
Speaker 2: of personal game. If we're not writing any kind of books.
Speaker 2: We're not you, we're not on the stage, we're not
Speaker 2: receiving monetary days whatsoever. So and all this is the
Speaker 2: money that we put in. So there's there's no reason
Speaker 2: for us to fool on another or anybody else.
Speaker 1: So what would it take? What would it take for
Speaker 1: bless you? Uh, let's say your your research continues. Is
Speaker 1: there a certain point where something would happen and you
Speaker 1: could walk away satisfied and be like, Okay, we got
Speaker 1: everything we need because this just happened.
Speaker 2: We'll be in for so many years. Is the getting
Speaker 2: video is the most difficult part because they're in heavy
Speaker 2: brush and everything, and actually we have to buy more
Speaker 2: and more equipment or equipment gets uh really really expensive,
Speaker 2: and it gets better as we go on to Like
Speaker 2: I said, our thermals had a night scout. We also
Speaker 2: just purchased last week a thermal drone, which we have
Speaker 2: to employing your tactics too. You have to change up
Speaker 2: your tactics and everything. So all this equipment costs. Anybody,
Speaker 2: you hate putting money into something that you're you're not
Speaker 2: getting gaining anything from, Like the thermal cameras, you've got
Speaker 2: several thousands of dollars worth of the thermal camera between
Speaker 2: all of this, probably because of the fifty thousand and
Speaker 2: yet we haven't produced anything on those. That's what's frustrating.
Speaker 2: But we are audios. We have audio stuff all the time.
Speaker 2: They work constantly, they're always pulling in information on the audios.
Speaker 2: The game camera is another one. You tried to put
Speaker 2: a lot of buy a new and newer equipment to
Speaker 2: get you know, we're trying to find your career out.
Speaker 2: How they're doing it by the way, Uh, we get
Speaker 2: something on those, but sometimes you get so caught up
Speaker 2: and just trying to get audios and you know we've
Speaker 2: put game during Cambridge up to all the time, but
Speaker 2: you get frustrated when that equipment gets destroyed or so
Speaker 2: many steals it or whatever. You lose a lot of
Speaker 2: money also, but it's frustrating not getting like says this year,
Speaker 2: I'm more concentrated on getting the thermal than you did,
Speaker 2: more than I am the audios. So that makes sense.
Speaker 1: It does. It does is having is having a thermal drone?
Speaker 1: Have you thought about how that might change, uh your
Speaker 1: game plan when you're out in the field, how you're
Speaker 1: going to integrate that on your future research.
Speaker 2: Well, we we've had to change our attachments stuff because
Speaker 2: they they're smarter in that community too, like they change
Speaker 2: with their environment, like they're on their hunting shieals. Is
Speaker 2: that you have to get them to come into a
Speaker 2: certain area. It's trying trying to beat them up and
Speaker 2: pull them. It's very difficult. But the terrain is self.
Speaker 2: Even thermal cameras are not the you know overall, they
Speaker 2: don't They only see so far in there and they
Speaker 2: can only pick up so much stuff. The thunder and
Speaker 2: like I said, the quality people how we have to
Speaker 2: set up stuff, you know, is because they come in
Speaker 2: from different directions. Now that the drone can cover a
Speaker 2: lot more area, but the fool egine there is really thick.
Speaker 2: So and like I said, when you're flying over the
Speaker 2: canopies and everything, they can't always see down in that stuff.
Speaker 2: There's no thermal sperm military style that's going to and
Speaker 2: you're you're talking about a lot more expensive equipment trying
Speaker 2: to get those kind of you know, the drones like
Speaker 2: we like to have, like the Air Force and the
Speaker 2: military used. It'd be great, but we don't have that
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. We don't have hundreds of thousands of dollars,
Speaker 2: you know, drones. We're only looking at six thousand dollars drones.
Speaker 1: So have you thought about what would be the perfect
Speaker 1: piece of evidence that you would be able to capture
Speaker 1: sure with this new thermal drone.
Speaker 2: Well, the thing is is that we're not to go
Speaker 2: just to catchure with the The thermal drone is added too,
Speaker 2: because we would look what the perfect thing is to
Speaker 2: pick up the audios, the tracks. You have to have
Speaker 2: several parts of evidences you're ever going to show anything
Speaker 2: like this. The thermal imaging is just one part, but
Speaker 2: you have the ground thermals that we're trying to catch
Speaker 2: them on. We're trying to catch them on all these things,
Speaker 2: the audio for it all. It's all evidence that went
Speaker 2: not just one thing, because not one piece of evidence
Speaker 2: is not going to be compelling to people to believe
Speaker 2: one thing or the other. If you get multiple images,
Speaker 2: if we say the ground part as well as the
Speaker 2: aerial part of it, along with the audios and some
Speaker 2: tracks and everything is more compelling.
Speaker 1: Big for society will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And also you wouldn't want to get multiple We're not
Speaker 2: looking at just trying to get this one just one imaging.
Speaker 2: We're trying to get over several multiple because we're, like
Speaker 2: I said, we're walking for behaviors and stuff, and we're
Speaker 2: trying to see what they're doing out there as we're
Speaker 2: what we hear on our audios. That's the only thing
Speaker 2: we're trying to prove ourselves. Like with the knocking, was
Speaker 2: call why are they knocking? Why are they pounding out
Speaker 2: these particular rocks over here? Or why do they keep
Speaker 2: on coming into this particular area? What are they doing?
Speaker 2: It's the hunting area go things. You can only speculate
Speaker 2: that is that we would like to see what they're doing.
Speaker 2: So it isn't worth so evidence that to other people
Speaker 2: that they exist or whatever. It's just to show that
Speaker 2: the we're hearing out there coincide for what we're seeing
Speaker 2: by supports.
Speaker 1: Excuse me, absolutely. Let's imagine. Let's say you have all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you have just unlimited resources. Are there
Speaker 1: any other pieces of equipment that you would add to
Speaker 1: the things that you have for your research in the area.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we've got anything. It's a qui
Speaker 2: equipment gets old out there, I said, send and stuff. Reason,
Speaker 2: It's like a ten twelve years old, I say, a
Speaker 2: twelve years old, like some of our audio equipment upgrading
Speaker 2: all that stuff, but we have this basically just I
Speaker 2: can't even think of anything but the drone. Maybe there's
Speaker 2: other people out there, researches come up with stuff, but
Speaker 2: I can't even think what we don't have now with
Speaker 2: with buying the aerial drone, there's nothing else we don't have.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's there's better thermal imaging where you know, check.
Speaker 2: I think it's actually he's getting uh, you're working with
Speaker 2: another group in their with their they're mending with some
Speaker 2: thermals with it are tripped out there kind of like
Speaker 2: game cameras and they're taking video video. I don't like
Speaker 2: to talk about his stuff too much because we all
Speaker 2: have different goals as research is out there, so his
Speaker 2: field is different than mine. We all do a combination everything.
Speaker 2: Like I said, when I'm staying in behaviors and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and he's more into audio and the game cams.
Speaker 2: Kevin has his stuff, and like I say, it depends
Speaker 2: on what the person say who were working with the
Speaker 2: goals they want to set. We try to help each
Speaker 2: other to get those, you know, achieve their goals exactly.
Speaker 2: Most people, if you want to take most if they
Speaker 2: want to go out there and just have an account,
Speaker 2: we do that everyone. So we take people out there
Speaker 2: for they can have their little group encounters or whatever.
Speaker 2: This experienced the vocalizations or see him playing out there
Speaker 2: and at the game cams. I'm not a game camp,
Speaker 2: but the kim lights and all that stuff. That's this.
Speaker 2: We call it dinner and a show basically what it is.
Speaker 1: So that's interesting. So we did talk about that last time,
Speaker 1: but I don't know did we I don't think that
Speaker 1: came up. You actually have seen them playing around.
Speaker 2: Well, I take the people out there. Actually there was
Speaker 2: let's see, there was five people are taken out there,
Speaker 2: plus two hundreds that we had picked up because I
Speaker 2: go out there with my r V. I had a
Speaker 2: bigger r V and I feed everybody and we go.
Speaker 2: You know, we let them to the little experiences that
Speaker 2: are going out and looking at tracks. We actually seen
Speaker 2: some foot tracks and stuff like that. We set up
Speaker 2: for the night and I tried to let them do
Speaker 2: their little experiments. In this picture, a couple of one
Speaker 2: to put up kim lights across road and this is
Speaker 2: the same actually where I got that second attack on
Speaker 2: the in for sound, but they actually I didn't call
Speaker 2: blasting and called them in. This was really strange too.
Speaker 2: It was the middle of hunting season. We had a
Speaker 2: lot of smoke out there. There was a forest fire I
Speaker 2: think to the south, and there was a lot of
Speaker 2: smoking in that area and I really wouldn't expect anything
Speaker 2: to happen that night, but they all wanted to go
Speaker 2: out that night. So there were seven individuals and those
Speaker 2: were hunters that I had just picked up. We had
Speaker 2: they want. David found that we were doing so they
Speaker 2: wanted to join in and said, okay, so I had
Speaker 2: funny chairs. So we're all sitting out there across the
Speaker 2: road and we did some call busting, and sure enough,
Speaker 2: about twenty five minutes later, we heard some it's a
Speaker 2: movement coming in And I don't sit there constant call busted,
Speaker 2: a few calls and we wait and see if they
Speaker 2: come in. And normally if there's an adults come in
Speaker 2: or whatever, they'll make a bunch of noise. And that's
Speaker 2: why we experienced. We started hearing a lot of brush
Speaker 2: movement around us. And as we were sitting there and
Speaker 2: we were just sitting there kind of just whispering and
Speaker 2: everything talking. We looked across the road there and we
Speaker 2: see these kim lights. Movie. We end up playing with
Speaker 2: these kim lights. I mean they're banging them and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. They didn't tear them off and throw them whatever.
Speaker 2: But the interesting thing is that we started getting vocalizations
Speaker 2: where we started hearing like a wounded deer sound, which
Speaker 2: I never heard before. And I wish I had no
Speaker 2: recorders going at the time, because I said I would
Speaker 2: love it because I've heard that other people say talk
Speaker 2: about this wounded deer sound. I had never heard it
Speaker 2: before until that night, and we were hearing wounded deer.
Speaker 2: We were hearing whistling, We heard a couple of little knocks,
Speaker 2: and then we actually heard a male out there vocalized
Speaker 2: for real, like a real ah sound, and then stop.
Speaker 2: And this went on for a couple hours. But the
Speaker 2: whole thing was is let people experience that and say, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: this wait, because I don't go out there and tell
Speaker 2: people what to think. I said there and say, well,
Speaker 2: you let me know what you're seeing out there and
Speaker 2: hearing and what your experience is, because then you can
Speaker 2: be skeptical or not so skeptical or whatever. You can
Speaker 2: decide for yourself. I don't tell people what this this
Speaker 2: is what we're doing without it, I think so, and
Speaker 2: they were and they get all excited. I mean there's
Speaker 2: really a lot of excitement in other part, and you know,
Speaker 2: we get individs try to walk over to them and
Speaker 2: say no, you don't want to do that, and they
Speaker 2: actually just withdraw. I mean, it kind of ruins. What
Speaker 2: I'm trying to do is I said, just sit there,
Speaker 2: let the people, you know, everybody experience this, and don't
Speaker 2: approach them on telling these and there's don't don't approach
Speaker 2: them because they're just going to withdraw, which they did,
Speaker 2: and said, then you can ruin the experience for people,
Speaker 2: and you know, trying to get we we stream people,
Speaker 2: you know. I always when you take people out doing anything,
Speaker 2: just kind of like, oh, don't do that, you know.
Speaker 2: I tell people to think that they wanted to try
Speaker 2: to get closer or whatever, but they's ruined their own experience.
Speaker 2: That's what I say. If you just sit here, let
Speaker 2: them do the thing, they'll do their little thing and
Speaker 2: then they'll leave.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, So you found that the best results of
Speaker 1: being able to experience things are just sitting, sit down,
Speaker 1: or stay in your area and just watch and be quiet.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, but I use I use some techniques we have,
Speaker 2: like for call blessing stuff, and we don't we don't
Speaker 2: do that try to get vocalizations. We basically use that
Speaker 2: to get they get them to come in because they
Speaker 2: get curious. Doesn't matter where how long they'll come in from,
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of miles away. If they hear
Speaker 2: your vocalizations, they'll they'll come in and see what's going on.
Speaker 2: That's why we change it for our call blessings sometimes
Speaker 2: on our or different vocals, to see how they respond
Speaker 2: to them. If I can get some couple of responses
Speaker 2: on this, I'll use that next time. But if you
Speaker 2: use it too many times, they'll stop responding to it.
Speaker 2: That makes they're smart that way they adapt to it.
Speaker 1: So, you know, you've taken so many people out to
Speaker 1: these areas over the years. Can you think of any
Speaker 1: times where there's been that someone has encountered bigfoot activity
Speaker 1: for the first time and they've just had a really
Speaker 1: intense reaction.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, my boy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess that's probably the King of the reactions.
Speaker 2: Huh yeah, well, well yeah, that we had ten individuals
Speaker 2: we took out there, and some of us were three individuals,
Speaker 2: four individuals. We were researchers and we had some new
Speaker 2: people with so we took about the experience and they
Speaker 2: got the they got to hear vocalizations that night, and
Speaker 2: I thought that was kind of cool. They, like I said,
Speaker 2: sometimes they people do the things I don't want them
Speaker 2: to do. They'll sit there and overstep their balance. I
Speaker 2: call it. I should I should put a stop to it.
Speaker 2: But what I'm doing is letting people experience certain things.
Speaker 2: Just let them, you know whatever. Because some people tried
Speaker 2: to turn it into a camp out and they'll build
Speaker 2: a fire out there, which I usually don't like have
Speaker 2: fires out there because they usually stay away. And uh.
Speaker 2: And then you get to the individual want to bring
Speaker 2: booze along or whatever, and that that I don't tolerate.
Speaker 2: But then they want to drink out there and turn
Speaker 2: into drinking party, and I just didn't really upset. So
Speaker 2: I just go down the other the capitalist listen to stuff.
Speaker 2: But but as these individuals were drinking all night and
Speaker 2: they went back to our rigs. We had ten vehicles
Speaker 2: out there, and we see we had four RV's, a
Speaker 2: couple of campers, but they were all in general area,
Speaker 2: this Charlie and everything. But there was a gentleman was
Speaker 2: sleeping in the back of his truck at the canopy
Speaker 2: and they had come back in there. I think it
Speaker 2: was around one two o'clock in the morning, and I
Speaker 2: guess they decided it was an adult. I assumed he
Speaker 2: could have been a juvenile, but they decided to shake
Speaker 2: him awake. And the only reason I know this because
Speaker 2: we had let the record going all night in the camp.
Speaker 2: We could hear these things come in and they actually
Speaker 2: were shaking him. And that was his first experience, and
Speaker 2: he still talks about it all. He talks about it
Speaker 2: every time I talked about it was his first experience
Speaker 2: with any kind of bigfoot activity. But even though he
Speaker 2: heard the vocalizations and everything that night. But that was
Speaker 2: the most shocking thing. But that shocked me is that
Speaker 2: there were so many people in camp. I surprised that
Speaker 2: these things come in there. So we learned from that experience.
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter other people you have to they'll still
Speaker 2: come into camp in the middle night when they think
Speaker 2: everybody's a sleep.
Speaker 1: That is that is wild. So you're saying they shook
Speaker 1: the vehicle to get them to wake up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they woke him up and scared him. That
Speaker 2: was almost traumatic. Uh, probably the second most traumatic experience.
Speaker 2: Oh I had a third one was really bad. I
Speaker 2: have to be careful. I'm a little bit more vetting
Speaker 2: people now because they don't realize what they're doing with it.
Speaker 2: I think it's these creatures stay out there and they
Speaker 2: don't They're like fifty feet away and you're going to
Speaker 2: see them. Well, sometimes you get come in really really
Speaker 2: close and they could do you know, they can tear
Speaker 2: up the brush and stuff. I took one individual there
Speaker 2: and he won't go back out in the widget anymore.
Speaker 2: Actually it's the second person out there. But I don't
Speaker 2: want to get people PTSD. That's what I'm trying to avoid.
Speaker 2: You know. I tried to tell people all the time
Speaker 2: that hey, you can experience this out there. It's not
Speaker 2: like what you think. It is easy to talk about
Speaker 2: when you're in a lighted room and everything, but when
Speaker 2: it's completely dark out there, it's a totally different scenario.
Speaker 2: Out there, you don't have control of your environment. They do,
Speaker 2: so you just kind of just have to deal with it.
Speaker 1: Are are you able to so are you able to
Speaker 1: share what happened at that time where the individual will
Speaker 1: not go back into the woods anymore?
Speaker 2: Well, the longest the boss, the guy that had was
Speaker 2: leaning over the hood. The other guy was named I
Speaker 2: don't want what a name, but I took him down
Speaker 2: to Delta. And this is kind of unique because he
Speaker 2: was in the military, so I kind of like trust
Speaker 2: the military people, but he was also a combat veteran
Speaker 2: and we're a little bit more. I don't know. It
Speaker 2: takes a lot to really set us off forgetting get
Speaker 2: us going. And this picture individual was a Vietnam bed
Speaker 2: you see. Told me he was a congre tern.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: But I took him out there. I mean we were
Speaker 2: probably out there for twenty minutes, and I did a
Speaker 2: couple of calls, and we were in this brushy area
Speaker 2: and stuff, uh, not too far from the tree shaking area,
Speaker 2: and we had a big mail come in here and
Speaker 2: he was making it sounded like a bulldozer comes through
Speaker 2: the brush and everything, and it was just doing some
Speaker 2: vocalizations and he just lost it. I mean, I really
Speaker 2: one of the few times that I was trying to
Speaker 2: control people and everything. I actually we actually had to
Speaker 2: leave it twenty minutes after we got there, and I
Speaker 2: had driving him home and he was just having a
Speaker 2: nervous breakdown over it. But this guy was telling me
Speaker 2: how he was going to spear it in the chest.
Speaker 2: You know, they're talking all this crap, and I just
Speaker 2: got to laughing. He was kind of skeptical. Then I
Speaker 2: took him out there. You found that, you know, basically
Speaker 2: we're dealing with real creatures out there. He didn't want
Speaker 2: no part of that. And I say, I haven't talked
Speaker 2: to him in vital since I took him home that night,
Speaker 2: and it was several years ago. He didn't even want
Speaker 2: to talk about the NCID. He doesn't want to do anything.
Speaker 2: He didn't want to you know. I try to actually say, well,
Speaker 2: let me get to go back out there again, you know,
Speaker 2: because he said he used to go out in the
Speaker 2: woods all tank it. He says, well, Steep, you can
Speaker 2: get you back through that again. He didn't want anything
Speaker 2: to do with the woods, whis whoever anymore. So unfortunately,
Speaker 2: you know, then I feel responsible right for that individual, because,
Speaker 2: like I said, I just changed his whole life, or
Speaker 2: they've been he's just getting people like he says, you
Speaker 2: don't really realize the reality to what's going on out there.
Speaker 2: They just take it for granted nice as well, but
Speaker 2: you I really feel bad if I get somebody to
Speaker 2: that point. I don't want you know, he's got prior
Speaker 2: PTSD from the war, so so it just makes it worse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would that would be a very tricky thing
Speaker 1: for I'm trying to put myself in your situation to
Speaker 1: work through that. That would be I mean, you can
Speaker 1: try to prepare these individuals that have asked you to
Speaker 1: bring them to your area, but I mean, is there
Speaker 1: a way that you can really prepare them one hundred percent?
Speaker 1: I don't think there is. We just we can't understand
Speaker 1: that until we get there. Big for society, who will
Speaker 1: be right back after these messages?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even my own research part and I says,
Speaker 2: they they have this spernt seeing them, which I have,
Speaker 2: which I'm a lot more in the cautious side, because
Speaker 2: every time I have to you, it's just made me
Speaker 2: more that more cautious because then you when you actually
Speaker 2: see them to what you're dealing with out there, it's
Speaker 2: more like a wake up call. But they always say
Speaker 2: the same thing. They want to go chasing in the
Speaker 2: brush aft room and stuff like that, and I'm going, no, no,
Speaker 2: you sure don't because that triss you know. I mean,
Speaker 2: I do a lot of stupid stuff of that called
Speaker 2: where I go and you know, go and chasing them
Speaker 2: might hear sounds and going there looking and running in there.
Speaker 2: I won't do that anymore. After looking, after seeing them now,
Speaker 2: I said, there's no way now I'm going to do that.
Speaker 2: I'm very undecautious side of doing that now because these
Speaker 2: things are so big, and I says, we're like little
Speaker 2: twigs to them. They just tear you apart if they
Speaker 2: want to do that. But it's also because I when
Speaker 2: listening all the according to I know we're to move forward, right.
Speaker 2: I basically understand the behavior, but I don't trust them still.
Speaker 2: The more I deal with stuff, and I says, they're
Speaker 2: not humans that we're dealing with, and you know, they're
Speaker 2: not going to do any kind of interaction, and we're
Speaker 2: also invading them. We're still outside. People always think they're
Speaker 2: going to have this interaction or something like it, you know,
Speaker 2: Jane Goodall or whatever. It's not going to happen. At
Speaker 2: least I don't think it's going to happen. But anybody,
Speaker 2: anybody tells me they have this little uh my heard stories.
Speaker 2: People sit there and tell me this where they're pitty pat,
Speaker 2: you know, out there with them in your sights or whatever,
Speaker 2: and they're you know, feeding them and they're having this
Speaker 2: mental thing or whatever going on. I don't believe that's happening.
Speaker 2: I don't think it's even possible for what I'm studying
Speaker 2: out there, m.
Speaker 1: It is. It is very interesting how individuals, if you
Speaker 1: take their accounts at face value, they are definitely and
Speaker 1: sometimes experiencing the phenomenon of Bigfoot in extremely different ways.
Speaker 1: Do you do you ever have encounters where it feels
Speaker 1: like you're being watched for just a long period of
Speaker 1: time when you're in those areas.
Speaker 2: I never get that doing of somebody watching me. I
Speaker 2: never had that feeling. Now. I've heard people talk about
Speaker 2: that a lot, and I always frocked that off to
Speaker 2: maybe the infsound, because that's what people get under the
Speaker 2: dread and feeling of being watched. I don't get that
Speaker 2: dealing out there. I don't know if that's it could
Speaker 2: be for my personally, I don't I can't say I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't get scared out there. I get nervous or cautious,
Speaker 2: but I don't have the fear that goes on with
Speaker 2: most people because I know more basic what I'm dealing
Speaker 2: with out there. I'm expecting it, but it catch me
Speaker 2: off guard sometimes. But for people I don't know what
Speaker 2: they're thinking.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you know, are are the Sierra sounds ever used
Speaker 1: in your call blasting out there?
Speaker 2: I use those and that was actually when I played that.
Speaker 2: I've used them one time and it was when I
Speaker 2: got that that maybe be the reason I've ever got
Speaker 2: the infrasound back and return on the second time. When
Speaker 2: I was out there talking about across the road, I
Speaker 2: was using call blasting out to that area across the
Speaker 2: road there the Sarah sound okay, and that's the kind
Speaker 2: of I kind of got that aggressive response. I don't
Speaker 2: like to say this is exactly what it was, but
Speaker 2: I'm always trying to figure out what caused that response
Speaker 2: to get them for sound attacks, Like I said, the
Speaker 2: first time, was because I jumped off the RB running
Speaker 2: towards creatures them that part time, I remember using that
Speaker 2: Sarah sounds calling into bussion and that's the response I got,
Speaker 2: so that might have been what it was, or might
Speaker 2: it might it wasn't. I've only heard that samurai chatter
Speaker 2: out there once, uh, in the middle of the night.
Speaker 2: I either heard that samurai chatter type, but all the
Speaker 2: other stuff loops I've heard before too, so not taking
Speaker 2: just like the talking like that the talking recorded, It
Speaker 2: wasn't like that. It was more like a growling met
Speaker 2: In fact, you have that recording.
Speaker 1: I got them both here, Ben, So I'm gonna go ahead.
Speaker 1: Should I play them together or play one and let
Speaker 1: you do commentary and then the other.
Speaker 2: Well, they're both in the same creatures. One is a
Speaker 2: longer version of it. One's a minute in fifty two seconds,
Speaker 2: and then was thirty eight seconds. We had several other
Speaker 2: recordings under I just scated it. Sent you a couple
Speaker 2: of those things and examples.
Speaker 1: All right, I'm gonna play I'm gonna play version four
Speaker 1: first here. Okay, so that's that's our first one. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and play the second one.
Speaker 3: Here, ye all.
Speaker 1: Right, Ben, so feel free to uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was a little bit of jet noise in there,
Speaker 2: and there was also I think there was a knock
Speaker 2: in there. But yeah, unfortunately recorded a jet set me
Speaker 2: a jet coming in the last part of that and everything,
Speaker 2: so they're flying over there. But it's interesting, like said,
Speaker 2: there's growls in that and there's a that's that's actually
Speaker 2: uh the future come down from the top of the hill.
Speaker 2: And actually that's when I was talking about the chair incident.
Speaker 2: We were joking about uh with check. I was talking
Speaker 2: about that he was holding a chair and everything. But
Speaker 2: it was interesting because it caused that response was we
Speaker 2: had uh recorded my one of our pillow researchers that
Speaker 2: it just has a newborn. He actually had a baby crying,
Speaker 2: and we actually did that particular call out there and
Speaker 2: running that and that's the response we got. We thought
Speaker 2: we actually generated aggressive response. We thought was kind of weird.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's very interesting. Ben So playing the baby
Speaker 1: crying noise an aggressive response.
Speaker 2: My goodness. Well there was also well it could something else.
Speaker 2: We know there was. There's other calls we got out
Speaker 2: there that there was definitely a juvenile. I had a
Speaker 2: food station out there that I was trying to draw
Speaker 2: him to. We were trying to basically get him in
Speaker 2: that area, and we had heard a juvenile calls earlier
Speaker 2: from our recordings and either we got the juvenal got
Speaker 2: in between us and the adult. I'm not sure, but
Speaker 2: like I said, we played that recording out there and
Speaker 2: that we instantly started getting calls out from the top
Speaker 2: of the hill and he come all the way down there,
Speaker 2: within probably thirty forty feet away from us, which is
Speaker 2: unusual for an adult to do that, and he was
Speaker 2: sitting there getting this is what he was doing by
Speaker 2: those sounds, as Bell Research were saying, it was heavy breathing,
Speaker 2: but it was definitely growling and making these noises like that.
Speaker 2: That was a response we got and that's what caused.
Speaker 2: But like it's always finking we had played out there
Speaker 2: call bust people with baby cries.
Speaker 1: Has there ever been a time when you've been call
Speaker 1: blasting out there and you did something You're at, goh man,
Speaker 1: we should not have done that.
Speaker 2: Well, it's besides the ever sound thing I got from
Speaker 2: one moreheads so here I would say that that one.
Speaker 2: And I know, Ron, it's funny to we talk about
Speaker 2: that time, but uh, it's and most of the time
Speaker 2: I'm testing out there anyway, I don't like to doing
Speaker 2: a lot of petitor calls. Who my call bosses can
Speaker 2: do that has over a thousand different calls. Besides, I
Speaker 2: can at all my stuff on over two or three
Speaker 2: hundred different calls I want to, but I try not
Speaker 2: to call in do predator calls like rabbits or anything
Speaker 2: like that, because I'm always afraid it's going to bring
Speaker 2: predators and you know, coyotes or cougar or something unexpected. No,
Speaker 2: we usually try to be very careful in doing that.
Speaker 2: But I haven't had anything out of the ordinary where
Speaker 2: we get called buses. Most of the time, I said,
Speaker 2: we get some weird vocals most of the time. That's
Speaker 2: all we're trying to generate or were trying to actually
Speaker 2: use it, because a lot of people think they call
Speaker 2: bussing systems to generate vocalisation, but it's not. It's actually
Speaker 2: just to get them within a certain area to come
Speaker 2: into an area for their curiosity. For we can get
Speaker 2: them into our recording range. So that's basically what it's
Speaker 2: used for. And it doesn't always work, like says they
Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll be quiet all the time, they won't respond
Speaker 2: to it at all. That you have to change it up.
Speaker 2: Like I said, I've tried well calls out there to
Speaker 2: see how that works. I've done monkey. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: howler monkey certain monkey sounds that they'll respond to and
Speaker 2: get vocals to, or they react to. Sometimes music can
Speaker 2: cause them to do weird things out there here and
Speaker 2: start breaking branches. You turn it off like they want
Speaker 2: to hear it the real quiet, and then you turn
Speaker 2: it off and then they would start breaking brands and
Speaker 2: getting all upset.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's really interesting, Ben. That lines up with a
Speaker 1: few other things I've heard. What kind of music are
Speaker 1: you playing out there?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 2: That picks the time we did some Celtic music. It
Speaker 2: was like Irish music. I guess it was Celtic and
Speaker 2: they seem to enjoy that. Now. I haven't tried everything
Speaker 2: in the world because, like I said, I'm not trying
Speaker 2: to contaminate their behaviors because too much influence in us
Speaker 2: is this We're causing reactions that actually want them to
Speaker 2: do it on their natural appreciation, just to how they
Speaker 2: naturally work in the environment, calling one another, in communication
Speaker 2: between one and another, or rather not us interact with
Speaker 2: them at all, were causing to do these things. I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to get responses just you know, their natural
Speaker 2: behaviors basically comes down to that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 2: learn off of.
Speaker 1: So something that might be interesting to try. I've heard
Speaker 1: this from a few researchers that there is a I
Speaker 1: believe it's a classical song that usually gets a really
Speaker 1: good response. It's called ballero, and it's just it's it
Speaker 1: has a really interesting drum beat to.
Speaker 2: It over the beating and stuff.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Friends tried to play flute and some out there with drums.
Speaker 2: They said they've got responses. I don't play rummy things
Speaker 2: since I don't do a lot of knocking because their
Speaker 2: communication of knocking is basically for several reasons, but it
Speaker 2: kind of counteracts what I'm doing. But if you're if
Speaker 2: you experiment, I'm going to actually find that one and
Speaker 2: I'll play that out there to see what kind of
Speaker 2: actions they get. Yeah, any kind of drum beats or
Speaker 2: something like. They kind of it's off and on. I
Speaker 2: can't always say everything's a response, but like I said,
Speaker 2: a lot of you get a lot of nothing out
Speaker 2: there too. They won't fund anything.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure that you're out there sometimes
Speaker 1: and it's just it could probably be a few hours
Speaker 1: that stuff doesn't happen.
Speaker 2: Well, I usually go to bed because I says, just
Speaker 2: let the equipment do because you'll be out. Like I says,
Speaker 2: it's so hit and miss I come to stuff sometimes.
Speaker 2: I mean, they'll be there the whole time. I not
Speaker 2: even know it, and I get surprised when I go
Speaker 2: to bed and I realized that here all this stuff
Speaker 2: going on after I went to sleep. You know, as
Speaker 2: soon as a minute I set the RV door, they're
Speaker 2: doing all kinds of stuff. I mean when it knocks
Speaker 2: us into you. We said we're out there for tend hours,
Speaker 2: didn't even hear a stick break, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 2: like all hell broke loose when I went went to bed,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean out there knocking the storm and
Speaker 2: they're just running all through the brush and everything. It's
Speaker 2: just weird. And we were out there the whole time
Speaker 2: and never heard the thing going through the brush. It
Speaker 2: but it just quiet out there, and I thought, wow,
Speaker 2: I always sit there and say, maybe they're not around.
Speaker 2: But the videos to the recording you tell you differently.
Speaker 1: Pigs for a SOCIETYHO will be right back. After these messages,
Speaker 1: I think you.
Speaker 2: Did a couple because there was a shotgun. I was
Speaker 2: telling people. That's a very unusual knock because now people
Speaker 2: catch that, you know, and I says, you get the
Speaker 2: typical knock for it sound like some you know, topping
Speaker 2: mud on a tree or I think you played rock
Speaker 2: clacks too, uh, But I put things that are unusual
Speaker 2: for people that you know, for like the mimicking. I
Speaker 2: wanted them to hear that. Where it's mimiking, you can
Speaker 2: see actually residents and residing in the al calls that
Speaker 2: is not a fluent like a regular owl. You can
Speaker 2: actually hear the difference. Almost sounds like a guy at
Speaker 2: the angle all, you know. But there's also two big
Speaker 2: puts in nerds also a juvenal in that also, and
Speaker 2: I think it's in a late night visitor. I don't
Speaker 2: think you played that one, But that's mimicking. You can
Speaker 2: tell some of the mimicking on there where they get a
Speaker 2: little bit off as probably a younger adult doing it.
Speaker 1: You did say a little bit ago where certain ape
Speaker 1: calls have elicited responses cowler monkeys.
Speaker 2: Okay, and the one that does the most is actually
Speaker 2: given gibb o n. That one has generated a lot
Speaker 2: of responses.
Speaker 1: Wow, that makes total sense, Ben, because when I have
Speaker 1: when I'm talking to witnesses, a lot of times they
Speaker 1: will say, yeah, it sounded like a howler monkey, or
Speaker 1: it sounded like a given. I mean, yeah, it makes
Speaker 1: sense that those would be the one.
Speaker 2: Even they got such a high frequency. They go for
Speaker 2: high hand low, which is really unique for those and
Speaker 2: they to get I mean they gets you get your
Speaker 2: your ears to rmon when I'm out there on my
Speaker 2: call blasting and it's the really high pitched screams. So
Speaker 2: maybe that's what they're responding to.
Speaker 1: I would say it absolutely. Sometimes people will will say
Speaker 1: that they hear sounds they try to describe as maybe
Speaker 1: an elephant or a t rex or just stuff that
Speaker 1: really wouldn't fit in the environment. Have you ever experienced
Speaker 1: anything like that out there.
Speaker 2: In their calls or yeah, in their calls? No that no,
Speaker 2: but I do know I can't say there's other wildlife
Speaker 2: out there that you got to really be careful. Like elk.
Speaker 2: We were really surprised last year that there was an
Speaker 2: Elka made five different calls that we didn't know it
Speaker 2: could do. Besides the helping usaid we know they can
Speaker 2: do that, but they's some dog canine actually had that
Speaker 2: requires that's more interesting stuff that like says everything is
Speaker 2: in bigfoot out there, but it's canine. And some of
Speaker 2: the calls were grunted, sounded like mocks. It was really impressive.
Speaker 2: But it actually had to go see what the creature was.
Speaker 2: I actually got out to a thrmb coming and seen
Speaker 2: it to see what was making those sounds, and it
Speaker 2: was a it was a cap alka was making that sound.
Speaker 1: Oh that's interesting. Wow.
Speaker 2: So you also people have to because that's one of
Speaker 2: theful like there's a few times, like you said, you
Speaker 2: really have to be on top of your stuff to
Speaker 2: make sure. If I would have left that night, and
Speaker 2: I mean it was sobs it would sounded like because
Speaker 2: every time we call bus, this thing would just go
Speaker 2: off and if we made any kind of sounds, it
Speaker 2: sounds like some kind of aggressive response. So I had
Speaker 2: we had heard this over a couple of hours, so
Speaker 2: we decided to go down there and check it out.
Speaker 2: So we actually went down in there and went out
Speaker 2: in the field and seen it doing it and kind
Speaker 2: of find out was the calf elk doing that calls.
Speaker 2: I would if we hadn't have pursued to see what
Speaker 2: it was, it might have said that was a bigfoot
Speaker 2: because there were so many. It didn't do any calls
Speaker 2: as an elk then whatsoever. But there were so many
Speaker 2: different calls on there, I says, it just amazed me.
Speaker 2: But as to them now in the midickaing things like
Speaker 2: we've heard some weird calls out there, I don't know,
Speaker 2: as we're saying that, I've never heard those vocals out
Speaker 2: there before. It amazed me that they can make deer
Speaker 2: wounding sounds. I never heard a wounded deer before. And
Speaker 2: it said for that, and I've heard that many people
Speaker 2: saying that with big fibulas, they've heard that. Son, It
Speaker 2: wasn't until I actually heard it that I said, oh,
Speaker 2: that's what it sounded. Wounded deer sounds like. It actually
Speaker 2: sounds like that. And I've then had mineral matchup any
Speaker 2: of those recordings of mclor library anything like that on
Speaker 2: these wounded deer get anything close. It's it's really unique
Speaker 2: unique hearing these things.
Speaker 1: Uh one that I just remember this is kind of
Speaker 1: a weird one. But so Charlie has a logging road
Speaker 1: that's really close to it, right.
Speaker 2: They all did also solid they all wear access to them.
Speaker 2: They all have a road that goes throughhere, you have
Speaker 2: access to them, the easiest sites for the easy the
Speaker 2: best places to go, because I says for put activity, absolutely.
Speaker 1: But anyway, Uh, has there ever been a situation where,
Speaker 1: let's say you and your team are out there and
Speaker 1: stuff is just happening and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 1: like a random person shows up out of nowhere in
Speaker 1: the middle of it.
Speaker 2: Uh. Yeah, there was a time when we there was
Speaker 2: one of our researchers wives was out there. She said
Speaker 2: she seen somebody out there, a guy who's a backpack
Speaker 2: And I thought that was kind of It was later
Speaker 2: in the evening and everything, and I said, and there
Speaker 2: was nobody out there, and she said there her she
Speaker 2: saw it physically solid. But I had no reason to
Speaker 2: think she was telling not telling the truth. Just when
Speaker 2: we went out there and search and everything, and I said,
Speaker 2: where did this guy go? You know, you couldn't win
Speaker 2: anywhere because the roads are right there. He who had
Speaker 2: been able to see him, And it was within fifteen
Speaker 2: twenty seconds since she supposedly saw him, because she actually
Speaker 2: screamed to his scarter. So we ran down her and
Speaker 2: she said, there was a guy right there. He went
Speaker 2: that way and there was nobody there, so I don't
Speaker 2: tell you it wasn't bigfoot all. I've had some weird
Speaker 2: speople telling me stuff out there had some peronormal crap,
Speaker 2: but it was nothing to do with Bigfoot. Oh, I
Speaker 2: don't think it did the crazy.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I think you can read. I get it.
Speaker 1: But so is it? Are we talking like people are
Speaker 1: seeing lights out there or what kind of stuff?
Speaker 2: I've never I've never seen orbs. I have never seen lights.
Speaker 2: None of my members, most people with me, have never
Speaker 2: seen the same things. I'm not saying. We've never seen
Speaker 2: the lights and stuff that we're being claimed about. Orbs.
Speaker 2: I've never seen orbs. I don't even know what the
Speaker 2: orb look like. It. They said, all these years, we
Speaker 2: haven't had anything paranormal has to Bigfoot out there. Now.
Speaker 2: I've had some strings where I've had I don't really
Speaker 2: want to go in that because it gets out of
Speaker 2: control because the people say, oh, yeah, it's definitely bigfoot,
Speaker 2: but no lights, no orbs or anything like that. Entities. Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe some weird ghost like stuff goes on out there,
Speaker 2: I would say, but it's not bigfoot.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, you mentioned those are the things I always say.
Speaker 2: There's other things in the woods. I'm not going to go.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go. But that has nothing to
Speaker 2: do with bigfoot. I says, they had nothing to do.
Speaker 2: It's totally different things. And I'm more skeptical part of
Speaker 2: that with things I see in here, because you can't try.
Speaker 2: I can't trust everyday I hear all the time either.
Speaker 1: So well, the interesting thing you mentioned at the beginning
Speaker 1: when you were talking about infrasound is that you were
Speaker 1: saying that sometimes when you're hip with infrasound, it can
Speaker 1: actually affect what you're seeing and hearing.
Speaker 2: Oh man, it can cause you to see apparitions if
Speaker 2: like I said, I always tell everybody to look upon
Speaker 2: inf sound or anything now, and I can. I can't
Speaker 2: safely say completely that these creatures doing it. I'm just
Speaker 2: relating the incidents that happened to me to me suspect
Speaker 2: this is going on. I'm still clicking information on that
Speaker 2: just to make sure. But like I says, I've had that.
Speaker 2: I've only had one another individual where he says he
Speaker 2: thought he was mind speaking, but he bought that before.
Speaker 2: You know, he had that been tell you before I
Speaker 2: met him. So, but he's actually a smart individual. I
Speaker 2: had no reason to think he's lying or went to
Speaker 2: make up stuff like that, So I think I I
Speaker 2: unless I really witnessed stuff for myself. I have a
Speaker 2: tendency to put it off until you know I have
Speaker 2: something to lay to hear that I can write about.
Speaker 2: Put we put down our logs, cause we have research
Speaker 2: logs about any kind of stuff that happens to have
Speaker 2: their smells. Now, I've had a couples something pretty smelly
Speaker 2: out there, and I had some knocking go with it,
Speaker 2: So I wouldn't always say that was all big, but
Speaker 2: I says that was the worst smell I ever ran across.
Speaker 2: The smell like garby sewer and something rotten all together,
Speaker 2: and it was like it was so bad. It's just
Speaker 2: like you walked into it and you can walk out
Speaker 2: of it. Oh wow. It was just I thought I
Speaker 2: had stepped into something. Start smelling my clothes and every saying, man,
Speaker 2: this stuff is going to stink on me because that
Speaker 2: that you know, uh picture didn't smell. It was just terrible.
Speaker 2: Nick your eyes water, my gons and twice we had that.
Speaker 2: Or you can actually walk into it and then come
Speaker 2: back to area and nothing there and the same thing. Uh,
Speaker 2: when we believe it's the females. Now this is speculation.
Speaker 2: Is real smell lilac out there? It just really heavy
Speaker 2: smells of that. It really smell. It doesn't smell bad.
Speaker 2: Is this smells nice? But it's like a lilac smell.
Speaker 2: And there's no lilacs out there.
Speaker 1: Okay, now that's weird.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when the male's around there, I said, when
Speaker 2: I mail around, it might be like I said, twice
Speaker 2: we smelt that other than that, and all picked me
Speaker 2: out and you never smelled anything, even Coach fuks at me.
Speaker 2: But that that these were really bad smells it And
Speaker 2: that's the only thing that read people were talking about
Speaker 2: before about these smells. But they will make your eyes
Speaker 2: water and it doesn't smell very well good at all.
Speaker 2: But like it says, the light smells pretty pretty good
Speaker 2: out there, smells like well powdering yourself with flowers. And
Speaker 2: I said, we don't know where that smell come from either.
Speaker 2: There's no plant that I an't put that smell off
Speaker 2: lot out there.
Speaker 1: You know, I hear the garbage all right smell, or
Speaker 1: I hear about the garbage smell all the time. But
Speaker 1: the lilac thing you just mentioned that that's a new one.
Speaker 1: I'd be interested if other people have heard that as
Speaker 1: well or smell that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's I said, that's only smells in there. You
Speaker 2: get yours, a smell that body handle, you know there's
Speaker 2: one nearby or whatever. I mean, worst got brought to
Speaker 2: different smells in the pine and whatever seed or uh.
Speaker 2: But when you get smell like that really knows spy.
Speaker 2: I mean sometimes I can smell, you know, during hundred
Speaker 2: season or something. I can tell when the hunter is
Speaker 2: in the ariage. I can smell as old spice. After
Speaker 2: she had said the guy must have been putting on
Speaker 2: I said, I don't know how he's doing any kind
Speaker 2: of hunting, as we can walk in or smell as
Speaker 2: old spice. So definitely humans do put off smells. So
Speaker 2: the people of research together, you know, I wouldn't always
Speaker 2: say masks is you know, putting on any kind of
Speaker 2: scent maskers or anything like that. And if you're doing
Speaker 2: Bigfoot research, it's not gonna matter. Like I said, they
Speaker 2: seem I smoked. They smell that all the time. I've
Speaker 2: heard so many different door. Oh if you smoke, they
Speaker 2: won't come in. Now that's not true. So I always
Speaker 2: just tell people to be normally. You can we hear
Speaker 2: your normal clothes. We wear a lot of camouflage, but
Speaker 2: we don't have to. They know you're there.
Speaker 1: So right exactly. I mean it for a few reasons.
Speaker 1: I mean, especially if you're driving RVs in there. I mean,
Speaker 1: every everything in the forest is definitely gonna know.
Speaker 2: I would imagine. Yeah, yeah, they always seem to be there,
Speaker 2: like sometimes when when you least spend had been fulled
Speaker 2: so many numerous times, and like I said, not even
Speaker 2: know they were there. They've been absorbing me the whole
Speaker 2: time most of the night. Didn't even know it. They
Speaker 2: never made a sound until like I said, after late night.
Speaker 2: Did you even hear moving around and stuff? But they
Speaker 2: were sitting in the spot all the time. We've had
Speaker 2: people they're whistling. They do like human whistles, and then
Speaker 2: they may make our whistles a lot. We've heard that
Speaker 2: out there many times too. And we know there's no
Speaker 2: other humans out there, right because most of the time
Speaker 2: when also I can hear everything within miles if a
Speaker 2: car drives in or people camping over in a certain area,
Speaker 2: those parabolics will pick that up. We can hear any
Speaker 2: kind of traffic coming in and out, so we'll know
Speaker 2: if there's humans out there in the area. Usually, if
Speaker 2: I have any kind of humans and everything, I just
Speaker 2: trashed the audio anyway, because if there's knocking going, it
Speaker 2: could be somebody over their chopping wood for their fire
Speaker 2: or whatever, or any kind of weird sounds. We assume
Speaker 2: it's coming from the camp. So you have hours to
Speaker 2: take audio, you just trash. Oh wow, because like I said,
Speaker 2: we're trying not to pool ourselves regardless, and I don't want
Speaker 2: to sit there and listen at the night and then
Speaker 2: find out where's the guy and his wife are an
Speaker 2: argument down the road or whether her So if there's
Speaker 2: any kind of human contamination in our audios, eye trash them.
Speaker 1: It's good that you put yourself to that level of Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's it. That's another whole different level that
Speaker 1: I don't think a lot of other researchers are doing,
Speaker 1: at least that I've heard. But yeah, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: that's even better.
Speaker 2: But well, like I said, it's for us. We're doing
Speaker 2: the answers for ourselves, so I don't want to fool myself.
Speaker 2: But because I mean myself, I mean I've done it.
Speaker 2: I sit there and listen to stuff. Mostly well, if
Speaker 2: you especially if you listen to an audio and you talk,
Speaker 2: you basically went backwards and forwards. Could I always do
Speaker 2: like a real quick skim of it. I look for
Speaker 2: I don't like a little graph or whatever, and uh,
Speaker 2: I'll miss stuff. I'll hear, like good examples. I heard
Speaker 2: all this pounding on the gate and everything, and I
Speaker 2: got all excited everything listen on there and kind of
Speaker 2: find out somebody had drove it in during this jet noise.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear them drive up to the gate and
Speaker 2: you were actually unlocking the gate and somebody was cutting
Speaker 2: your lock off a gate man, and that was going
Speaker 2: on for twenty five minutes.
Speaker 1: Pigs a society, who will be right back after these messages.
Speaker 2: And then you get mad guys. I listened there for
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes and realized that, hey, it was a
Speaker 2: guy in there. Human. But sometimes the you know, people
Speaker 2: can jet noise is a good example. A lot of
Speaker 2: stuff can move in there. I'll have a lot of
Speaker 2: good audios and get will fly through there and just
Speaker 2: wash all that out. And then you could set the
Speaker 2: ends of it like that when the jets come in there.
Speaker 2: It kind of just floods out everything. You can't everything
Speaker 2: on jet noise. But like I said, people, human people
Speaker 2: can come in there and they're jet noise and we're
Speaker 2: right there. Not I would say almost at the end
Speaker 2: of a patterns for Seattle is their takeoff from seven
Speaker 2: pm to about ten thirty it's it's like every twenty
Speaker 2: minutes that they're going off, you can hear the get
Speaker 2: flying there and it just washese out. So we're listening
Speaker 2: more to stuff at night, you know, from ten thirty one,
Speaker 2: after dark and late more stuff when it gets really
Speaker 2: super quiet, and then you can hear a lot more
Speaker 2: stuff going that way. But I hear stuff there in
Speaker 2: the day sometimes I didn't realize, you know, movements when
Speaker 2: I set my farms out there. Sometimes when I walk
Speaker 2: to the side out I'll just dump equipment, I call
Speaker 2: it and I'll leave it over night and come back
Speaker 2: pick up in the morning. But I've set stuff in
Speaker 2: there bitch black at night, probably midnight or whatever, and
Speaker 2: as I'm walking off, I'm hearing something walk up to
Speaker 2: my parabolic at the same time. No way, and we
Speaker 2: always tak Yeah, I've had that many times. I said,
Speaker 2: there go Wow, didn't you know something was there? Or
Speaker 2: as we walk towards it, you know, to pick it
Speaker 2: up in the night or sometimes in early morning, you
Speaker 2: can hear creature just had stepped off the road into
Speaker 2: the bresh He was been there playing there for several hours.
Speaker 2: You didn't know. We don't know it when we walk
Speaker 2: up there and he's just a few feet away. Oh well,
Speaker 2: I said, it was dark out there, and I do
Speaker 2: this stuff by myself all the time, and that's a
Speaker 2: matter of fact. Had happened last year. It said that
Speaker 2: they walked. I've probably got twenty twenty five feet. I said,
Speaker 2: my parabolic there and all of a sudden it got
Speaker 2: hit by a rock and there's pitch black out there,
Speaker 2: and I said, it nailed it, this dead center on
Speaker 2: my parabolic knocked it over and go back pick it up.
Speaker 2: But I heard that, Oh my goodness, Oh wow, wow.
Speaker 2: But they're very good. That's you said that. It shows
Speaker 2: the DA have night vision really well, because like I said,
Speaker 2: they pick up the targets really well, even at night
Speaker 2: with walks.
Speaker 1: Well, man, Ben, it's fascinating stuff. I mean, these areas
Speaker 1: that you guys are looking into is just is just
Speaker 1: wild and I want to say, you know, thank you
Speaker 1: so much for coming back on the show again. It
Speaker 1: was really fun chatting with you again about what you're
Speaker 1: experiencing in that area. Did you have any final thoughts
Speaker 1: before we wind down for the episode.
Speaker 2: I just want people would be careful out there when
Speaker 2: they're researching is Like I said, I don't take everything
Speaker 2: for granted. There's pig foot, there's other creatures out there
Speaker 2: that will I mean, there's bears, and he's always on
Speaker 2: the verge caution or whatever. I said. People really I
Speaker 2: know people like to get that experience or whatever, but
Speaker 2: don't get yourself purp doing it. Like I said, these
Speaker 2: guys are not always friendly either, so very seldom I
Speaker 2: should say very seldom friendly. Could people like to call
Speaker 2: them little forest friends and stuff like that, and from
Speaker 2: my experience in their behavior, they're not like that at all.
Speaker 2: So they kind of want to be let alone, especially
Speaker 2: the adults. And if you ever get the chance to
Speaker 2: do see you and it's great, but like I said,
Speaker 2: it maybe closer than you think. So othern I just
Speaker 2: want people to be safe when they're out there doing
Speaker 2: this stuff, like I says, when I'm doing this for
Speaker 2: like I said, we're doing it for our own answer
Speaker 2: if we don't try to sit there and try to
Speaker 2: say it exists, and shouldn't try to push my thoughts
Speaker 2: or my belief on somebody else either. So let people
Speaker 2: experience for themselves and they make their own decisions.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, guys, you can follow along with what Bigfoot Ops
Speaker 1: is doing on their Facebook page. I'll have that linked
Speaker 1: in the description or show notes for this so people
Speaker 1: can check that out.
Speaker 2: For some of my other experiences under too, they can
Speaker 2: they can see like the other sidings I've had, so
Speaker 2: and I had descriptions of the creatures and all that
Speaker 2: kind of good stuff for him.
Speaker 1: Well there you go. Yeah, thank you again for coming
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 2: Ben, Thank you Dermin for having me. I mean, if
Speaker 2: I ever find something else, I'll let you know again.
Speaker 2: I'll give you a call. Thank you, sir. So appreciate it.
Speaker 2: All right, great talking to you. Thank you.
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