WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.160 --> 00:00:02.799 Welcome to big for Society. If you have Bigfoot activity 2 00:00:02.879 --> 00:00:06.120 to report from the same areas discussed in this episode, 3 00:00:06.120 --> 00:00:09.640 please reach out to me directly after this episode. And 4 00:00:09.679 --> 00:00:12.199 if you'd like to be on the podcast to discuss 5 00:00:12.279 --> 00:00:15.359 a personal Bigfoot encounter, please reach out to me directly 6 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:18.239 at Bigfoot Society at gmail dot com. Do you wish 7 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:20.280 there was more big for Society to listen to you 8 00:00:20.359 --> 00:00:22.760 every week? Well there is now. If you become a 9 00:00:22.800 --> 00:00:26.239 supporting member over at Patreon, you get a special members 10 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:31.120 only episode every single week on Wednesdays, and sometimes even 11 00:00:31.399 --> 00:00:34.399 more episodes. Head on over to patreon dot com. Forward 12 00:00:34.439 --> 00:00:37.399 slash the Bigfoot Society and now let's get on with 13 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:41.439 the show. All right, Bigfoot Society. We've got the privilege 14 00:00:41.479 --> 00:00:46.039 of having mister Benfreed back on the show from Bigfoot 15 00:00:46.039 --> 00:00:50.280 Ops out there in the great state of Washington, kind 16 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:52.560 of close to the Mount Rainier area, a little bit 17 00:00:52.600 --> 00:00:57.320 to the west there. But welcome back to the show. Ben. 18 00:00:57.359 --> 00:00:59.600 How's it going great? 19 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:03.320 Great? Thanks for having me back on again. If we 20 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:04.640 can make this interesting for. 21 00:01:04.640 --> 00:01:12.439 You, absolutely, I mean the first first episode was why 22 00:01:12.439 --> 00:01:15.760 I loved it. It was it was wild. I thoroughly 23 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:20.040 enjoyed editing it because it was such so so interesting. 24 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:22.359 I'll say that. But you know, Ben, I'm going to 25 00:01:22.439 --> 00:01:25.359 ask you some stuff right off the bat here, just 26 00:01:25.480 --> 00:01:30.480 so I make sure I get it in your area 27 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:34.079 which is Ashford, Washington. Correct. 28 00:01:34.519 --> 00:01:38.760 Yes, Yes, it's just outside the city of Ashford, gotcha. 29 00:01:39.439 --> 00:01:45.920 And it's in the area of Mount Rainier as well. Uh. 30 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:52.000 Have you ever had any experiences with interactions with with 31 00:01:53.159 --> 00:01:58.200 rangers or law enforcement regarding bigfoot in that area? 32 00:01:59.400 --> 00:02:02.319 Uh? Quite often. At dn R, actually, not so much 33 00:02:02.400 --> 00:02:06.480 rangers because we're not in the park. We're just we're 34 00:02:06.560 --> 00:02:09.879 just basically west and I would say more southwest of 35 00:02:09.919 --> 00:02:15.039 the park. But DNR, which is the Department Natural Resources, Yes, 36 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:18.719 they have law enforcement out there and just recently, matter 37 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:22.159 of fact, ran into them just the other within the 38 00:02:22.240 --> 00:02:24.719 last few days, because they go out there quite a lot. 39 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:28.599 But the interesting encounters with them is they don't want 40 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:31.280 to say too much because they ask you a lot 41 00:02:31.280 --> 00:02:33.560 of questions and everything, and I've never been able to 42 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:36.639 get them to really I mean, when they see us, 43 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:39.159 they always talk about our research out there, and they 44 00:02:39.199 --> 00:02:42.159 want to talk about it. They get interested, but they 45 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:44.080 really don't say too much on their side. 46 00:02:46.039 --> 00:02:51.280 They're holding the cards close to them to seeing perhaps 47 00:02:51.319 --> 00:02:53.960 maybe they're even how far are these guys? How close 48 00:02:54.000 --> 00:02:56.599 are these guys getting? You know, are they there yet? 49 00:02:56.639 --> 00:02:59.080 I don't know. It's a lot of conjecture there, but. 50 00:03:00.400 --> 00:03:04.639 Yeah, we've had seven We've had unexplained things happen. Like 51 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:07.039 we were an area we were doing some testing on. 52 00:03:07.159 --> 00:03:09.639 We were feeding feeding them just to see what kind 53 00:03:09.639 --> 00:03:12.360 of stuff that they would take and what they would eat. 54 00:03:13.240 --> 00:03:15.639 We actually talked to the D and R offs about 55 00:03:15.639 --> 00:03:17.199 it and he was asking us about it, so we 56 00:03:17.280 --> 00:03:18.800 told him and we showed him where it was at 57 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:22.199 and everything to the ass and approximately I think it 58 00:03:22.240 --> 00:03:24.159 was about a week and a half later, that area 59 00:03:24.199 --> 00:03:27.759 was logged out and they had brought a bunch of 60 00:03:27.759 --> 00:03:30.360 dirt in and completely covered that area from they were 61 00:03:30.400 --> 00:03:32.400 working on the bridge. They're putting the bridge back and 62 00:03:32.439 --> 00:03:34.639 we're trying to figure out why they would put dirt. 63 00:03:34.719 --> 00:03:38.080 It's almost like two miles away dumped the dirt in 64 00:03:38.120 --> 00:03:42.319 that particular spot, which was strange. We thought, we thought 65 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:46.800 it was strange. So and so and seven out of 66 00:03:46.800 --> 00:03:49.479 the seven area sites we have, they've logged five of 67 00:03:49.520 --> 00:03:53.439 them and closed off those areas. So we're pretty much 68 00:03:53.479 --> 00:03:57.039 tight lift about what we're doing with them. Now, we 69 00:03:57.080 --> 00:04:00.960 don't say too much completely it could be completely coincidence, 70 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:02.919 so they'll get me wrong. All of a sudden, you 71 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:04.960 see these flags pop up in the areas are getting 72 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:11.319 logged out. It doesn't change the bigfoot activity. Actually, it 73 00:04:11.439 --> 00:04:14.319 just means it just makes it more difficult because they 74 00:04:14.439 --> 00:04:16.399 like to have cover and stuff like that, so it 75 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:18.759 just makes it they're coming from a different way or whatever. 76 00:04:20.519 --> 00:04:24.120 Yeah, that's it. That's extremely interesting. I mean, as as 77 00:04:24.160 --> 00:04:29.759 you mentioned, after experiencing the potential of what that meant, 78 00:04:30.160 --> 00:04:33.279 I might be a little careful who I talked to 79 00:04:33.399 --> 00:04:39.399 as well. So even stating that it's is, I'm, you know, 80 00:04:39.480 --> 00:04:41.680 realizing how much of a privilege it is to have 81 00:04:41.720 --> 00:04:45.160 you on this program sharing about what you've experienced over 82 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:50.560 the last it was fifteen years, correct, Yeah. 83 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:52.160 It'll be fifteen years actually in June. 84 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:59.639 So now, when I was editing our last episode, there 85 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:02.680 was a that you had I believe mentioned at the end, 86 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:04.920 and I want to make sure that we definitely talk 87 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:08.839 about it. But you had mentioned that you've had some 88 00:05:08.959 --> 00:05:12.000 really interesting experiences regarding infrasound. 89 00:05:15.199 --> 00:05:17.680 I actually have equipment to tests that for that out 90 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:20.680 there to the in for twenty I think I should 91 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:25.000 send a picture that also it monitors infra sound. Now 92 00:05:25.120 --> 00:05:32.360 you can't on research wise, you can't go by whether weather, water, 93 00:05:32.920 --> 00:05:36.839 wind can affect the different sound weights, and you can 94 00:05:36.879 --> 00:05:39.879 get pick up infestund that way also, so and even 95 00:05:40.120 --> 00:05:43.959 we're also night next to a volcano. So but at 96 00:05:43.959 --> 00:05:46.160 the time you have to relate it to any activity 97 00:05:46.279 --> 00:05:49.240 having going on with the big twit or whatever. Sometimes 98 00:05:49.240 --> 00:05:55.040 the areas are like strangely quiet, I would say, and 99 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:59.199 we'll get infrasound out there, partial parts of it like 100 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:02.560 letting heard or sometimes you can get dangerous levels too, 101 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:07.120 which is around seven seven herds. So and they're just sporadic, 102 00:06:07.759 --> 00:06:10.399 they're not continuous, but you could have you know, like 103 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:16.160 a earthquakes, and we don't texts everything, so unfortunately you 104 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:19.759 have to be really careful on your findings. You can't 105 00:06:19.759 --> 00:06:22.120 just say everything's a big foot out there. There's a 106 00:06:22.160 --> 00:06:23.879 lot of environment involved in. 107 00:06:23.800 --> 00:06:30.160 That absolutely, And I think that's why I enjoy talking 108 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:35.240 to an individual like yourself, because it's almost like you 109 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:41.720 at times are you know, you're you're very aware of 110 00:06:41.759 --> 00:06:44.720 what it means to say yeah, this was probably bigfoot 111 00:06:44.720 --> 00:06:50.120 related and you seem to be very aware of what 112 00:06:50.199 --> 00:06:53.399 you guys are experiencing out there, but not not a 113 00:06:53.399 --> 00:06:57.000 Bigfoot on the brain type situation. But you just mentioned 114 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.759 there are certain levels that you look for regarding in 115 00:06:59.800 --> 00:07:02.000 for sound with this device. Can you talk a little 116 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:02.600 bit more about that. 117 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:08.759 Well, well, look, anything blow nineteen hertz is infrasound, so sound. 118 00:07:09.360 --> 00:07:13.040 We use it also to study their vocalizations and stuff 119 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:15.800 like that, and some of their vocalizations, like the ones 120 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:20.199 I think we went earlier on Thewers show with checks 121 00:07:21.480 --> 00:07:26.639 recordings had infrasound in the female vocal responses. They'll pick 122 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:30.040 it up on that, so we know there's in some 123 00:07:30.120 --> 00:07:34.560 of their vocalizations they do infrasound as they're calling back 124 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:38.079 or whatever. We can't, you know, we can't just say 125 00:07:38.160 --> 00:07:40.560 that's part of part of the thing that I'm just 126 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.519 noting that in their vocalizations they do have some kind 127 00:07:43.519 --> 00:07:45.720 of infersound in some of their vocalization. Not all the 128 00:07:45.800 --> 00:07:50.120 vocalizations have that, but some of the some of thos do. 129 00:07:52.000 --> 00:07:56.319 That's interesting when you listen to a vocalization recording like 130 00:07:56.360 --> 00:07:59.720 that that includes it, is it a potential to have 131 00:07:59.759 --> 00:08:03.439 this same effects from listening to that recording as opposed 132 00:08:03.439 --> 00:08:04.920 to listening to it live. 133 00:08:06.439 --> 00:08:11.040 Well infrasound. The thing is is that it affects people differently, 134 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.279 like the feeling of dread and stuff people get when 135 00:08:15.279 --> 00:08:19.560 you get that ear feeling in the force itself, because 136 00:08:19.800 --> 00:08:23.839 Yankees notorious for that, where it's really extremely more than quiet. 137 00:08:25.079 --> 00:08:28.000 I mean it's just dead quiet, nothing going on, and 138 00:08:28.399 --> 00:08:30.720 it just gets that eary feeling and everything. And when 139 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:32.679 you pull out your handhelds, you'll sit there and have 140 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:34.639 normal readings, and all of a sudden you'll start getting 141 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:39.080 these partial infrasound or you're running the other monitor. We 142 00:08:39.159 --> 00:08:42.919 have both. We have handhelds and that, but you partially 143 00:08:42.919 --> 00:08:46.320 get some things where it'll show eleven herbs and everything, 144 00:08:46.320 --> 00:08:48.879 and it's different hurts. It can affect people differently. You 145 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:53.559 can make you physically sick, give you headaches, you can 146 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:57.440 start seeing things, hearing things. I like to say, we 147 00:08:57.519 --> 00:09:01.120 actually had research other where you thinks you were minds 148 00:09:01.120 --> 00:09:03.559 speaking with him and I just kind of like roll 149 00:09:03.639 --> 00:09:07.360 my eyes. But I've never experienced that in anybody else 150 00:09:07.679 --> 00:09:10.200 out there has and just been taking the beds and 151 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:13.279 he just leaves in the mind speaking thing. So, but 152 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.600 I believe that's the cause of that, because when he 153 00:09:16.639 --> 00:09:19.799 was actually seeing he thought this was going on. I 154 00:09:19.840 --> 00:09:23.320 actually got readings of eleven hurts out there, which was 155 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.440 an infra sound and there's nothing. There was no planes 156 00:09:27.480 --> 00:09:30.759 going over at the time or any kind of wind 157 00:09:30.879 --> 00:09:33.360 or anything going on. So I assume that might maybe 158 00:09:33.440 --> 00:09:35.639 that way. It could be. He's a very intelligent person. 159 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:38.759 I'm just no one to think that he's crazy, you know, sure, 160 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:41.759 but I tell him, you know, I'm not experiencing anything 161 00:09:41.799 --> 00:09:43.600 out there on that particular level. 162 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.240 Okay, I think you'd mentioned as well that there's a 163 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:49.600 level that could be considered dangerous. 164 00:09:50.519 --> 00:09:54.320 Seven hurts. Can you a long time exposure? Can it can? 165 00:09:54.960 --> 00:10:01.559 It causes disruption of the organs in your body. Now 166 00:10:01.799 --> 00:10:03.799 people can look this up to see the things I'm 167 00:10:03.840 --> 00:10:08.240 talking about, but it's a resonating frequency is to actually 168 00:10:08.320 --> 00:10:13.000 pressure wave. But it can be disrupt your internal organs. 169 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:16.120 It could give me a heart attack or you know. 170 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:19.320 I don't know what the other causes could do beyond 171 00:10:19.360 --> 00:10:23.039 app physical league, but that is one of them. I 172 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:28.279 do know my personal experience, and I'll tell you where 173 00:10:28.279 --> 00:10:30.600 I related to where I got interested in the imperson 174 00:10:30.759 --> 00:10:33.320 the first service because at an incident where I was 175 00:10:33.360 --> 00:10:36.360 with my wife down Charlie, I was taking a nap 176 00:10:36.600 --> 00:10:39.639 in the back of my RV and I was waiting 177 00:10:39.879 --> 00:10:41.600 for it to get dark. And this was later in 178 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:45.360 the evening and she had heard something out there rustling 179 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:47.759 around behind a big stump out there. She said, there's 180 00:10:47.799 --> 00:10:50.519 something out there. People come looking back up. So I 181 00:10:50.639 --> 00:10:53.120 kind of like jumped off the back of the RV, 182 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.159 took about two steps, and actually before I even actually 183 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:59.720 hit the ground, I was already projectile vomiting. I mean 184 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:03.279 it was it was ruthless. I mean, I couldn't stop, 185 00:11:04.080 --> 00:11:08.039 you know, heaving. It was just like, oh, you know. 186 00:11:08.120 --> 00:11:09.480 I threw my hands up in the air and they 187 00:11:09.559 --> 00:11:12.000 called basically back in RV and I said it in 188 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:15.240 there for the next twelve hours dry heating, and it 189 00:11:15.279 --> 00:11:18.639 was just a terrible experience. It was like death worn 190 00:11:18.799 --> 00:11:23.879 rover from that that experience. And it lasted for twelve hours, 191 00:11:23.879 --> 00:11:26.440 like I said, And the next morning I was fine, 192 00:11:27.480 --> 00:11:32.200 no physical, you know, lasting thing from it or whatever. 193 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:34.039 I didn't have a headache or anything. It was just 194 00:11:34.080 --> 00:11:40.320 being sick. And then actually I went back into but 195 00:11:40.679 --> 00:11:43.720 the next weekend I went back out about a quarter 196 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:47.159 mile away from that site, and actually, as I was 197 00:11:47.200 --> 00:11:50.840 doing some recording some some vocalizations which were Aluman came 198 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:54.879 across the road from me. It hit me again. And 199 00:11:55.000 --> 00:11:57.960 there's no you don't feel it coming. You don't feel 200 00:11:57.960 --> 00:12:00.399 any like you don't people talking about the game as 201 00:12:00.559 --> 00:12:03.399 and like electric. It doesn't hit you. You just don't know. 202 00:12:03.519 --> 00:12:06.919 It just hits you. You just start I just start heaving. 203 00:12:07.799 --> 00:12:10.120 And that lasted for about four hours, and it did 204 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.399 the same thing to me. It just basically incapacitated for 205 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:15.039 you can't do anything. 206 00:12:18.039 --> 00:12:21.759 That sounds extremely well, very extreme. 207 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:26.519 Extremely uncomfortable. Yeah, it's a defencing mechanism. Like I said, 208 00:12:26.519 --> 00:12:30.440 I tried to jump when I we noticed that the 209 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:33.120 second time. I don't know exactly what triggered that because 210 00:12:33.120 --> 00:12:35.279 I was just standing there with my recording equipment and 211 00:12:35.279 --> 00:12:37.200 they were actually across the road from me, which is 212 00:12:37.480 --> 00:12:41.279 probably a ten foot wide the road and earned some 213 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:43.399 brush right there, and I was getting you some mutilizations 214 00:12:43.399 --> 00:12:45.000 out of there. Now, I don't know what triggered that. 215 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:49.480 I'd been there for a while, but definitely the first 216 00:12:49.519 --> 00:12:51.720 time I jumped and I was heading in that direction 217 00:12:51.799 --> 00:12:53.759 where my wife had heard the sound and it was 218 00:12:54.360 --> 00:12:57.799 not probably fifty feet away, and I believe I had 219 00:12:57.799 --> 00:13:01.159 my phone in my hand at the time or to 220 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:03.679 take pictures or get pictures of it, or my gun. 221 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:06.279 I can't remember because I was so missed up afterwards. 222 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:10.559 But anyway, that was definitely I was running towards a 223 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:13.879 creature and I got basically that's what I got from that, 224 00:13:14.799 --> 00:13:16.600 and it stopped me dead in my tracks. But it 225 00:13:16.679 --> 00:13:19.279 was just sally unique because I didn't feel intigling, didn't 226 00:13:19.279 --> 00:13:21.679 feel anything. I was, just, like I said, literally in 227 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:24.559 miday or jumping off my back of my RV. And 228 00:13:24.600 --> 00:13:27.440 I was not sick. I was I've never been that 229 00:13:27.519 --> 00:13:31.080 sick of my life, actually, and twice within a week 230 00:13:31.120 --> 00:13:35.320 that happened. But I've never been that sick. But I 231 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:39.320 had no indications of anything. I was completely fine. I 232 00:13:39.320 --> 00:13:42.039 hadn't even eaten yet, so there was no reason to 233 00:13:43.240 --> 00:13:45.720 be sick. But I didn't. It's not like a true 234 00:13:45.759 --> 00:13:50.039 symptoms if it was just checked albomitting. So terrible experience, 235 00:13:50.080 --> 00:13:54.080 but that's that's a defensive response. I believe that the 236 00:13:54.519 --> 00:13:58.600 adults have and like I said, affects people different ways. 237 00:13:58.639 --> 00:14:00.799 And then I don't think I've talked that off to 238 00:14:01.679 --> 00:14:03.960 was infra sound. That would the only think it would 239 00:14:03.960 --> 00:14:06.240 be possibly you know where it could possibly be. 240 00:14:08.480 --> 00:14:12.159 Has that kind of thing also happened to other members 241 00:14:12.200 --> 00:14:13.320 of your team as well. 242 00:14:13.759 --> 00:14:16.240 No, Unfortunately they don't get out of nothing to do 243 00:14:16.919 --> 00:14:19.240 like I do. They a lot of them do. They're 244 00:14:19.519 --> 00:14:23.039 recording things. I'm more scouting and getting out and I 245 00:14:23.200 --> 00:14:27.120 was out there a lot more, staying overnight for days 246 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.200 at a time. So I'm out there with my wife 247 00:14:30.360 --> 00:14:33.919 or just me sometimes and that's when I get affected more. 248 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.960 They've done more stuff to me than my groups were 249 00:14:36.960 --> 00:14:39.600 always grouped up. We've had a few encounters, you know. 250 00:14:41.720 --> 00:14:43.679 And I don't know if I discussed about Delta where 251 00:14:43.679 --> 00:14:45.399 we walked up we were calling them out there. I 252 00:14:45.399 --> 00:14:47.879 don't remember that big. 253 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:50.840 For a society who will be right back after these messages. 254 00:15:06.320 --> 00:15:09.000 But anyway, they as we come back from that night, 255 00:15:09.039 --> 00:15:12.440 we figured they were out there. We couldn't understand why 256 00:15:12.440 --> 00:15:14.519 we weren't get any calls back and everything. And as 257 00:15:14.559 --> 00:15:18.039 we walked through the road, the thing actually, uh, make 258 00:15:18.159 --> 00:15:19.759 a bunch of noise off to my right as we're 259 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:21.600 walking up the road in this pitch black out there 260 00:15:21.639 --> 00:15:25.639 and it shook the tree. And that's definitely an adult response, 261 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:28.279 because adults always seemed to let you know they're there. 262 00:15:28.320 --> 00:15:31.480 The juvenals don't make any sounds. Usually, they're pretty quiet 263 00:15:31.559 --> 00:15:36.320 most night. You might they knock sometimes and found them 264 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:39.480 rocks or you know, rock clock or something, but other 265 00:15:39.559 --> 00:15:41.480 than that, they don't do too much in response. 266 00:15:41.519 --> 00:15:48.279 And as the vocals, I don't believe that we we 267 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:51.159 talked about that. That is extremely. 268 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:55.720 Yeah, because there was actually two. There was one behind 269 00:15:55.799 --> 00:16:00.519 us too. As it's as I was actually I was 270 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:02.919 second behind Chuck. He was in the lead. But I 271 00:16:02.919 --> 00:16:05.399 had heard something off to my right, you know, like 272 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.200 a little bit of brush movement, So I knew something 273 00:16:07.320 --> 00:16:09.840 was there, but it was dark as were walking back 274 00:16:10.799 --> 00:16:14.639 and kind of caught check off guard. But it went 275 00:16:14.759 --> 00:16:16.799 he shook the tree. I mean it literally shook the tree. 276 00:16:16.840 --> 00:16:20.200 He thought, damn, you know, the tree just exploded out there. 277 00:16:20.200 --> 00:16:25.399 It was just shaking it, and like I said, check 278 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:29.200 off guard, so he pulled his gun. It was you know, 279 00:16:29.240 --> 00:16:31.879 it's scared. There's just a reaction for him. But anyway, 280 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:34.480 as it did it, you could actually hear it take 281 00:16:34.519 --> 00:16:37.320 two steps and stop, which is unusual for him. Normally 282 00:16:37.360 --> 00:16:40.120 we hear them they just run away. It sounds like 283 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:42.639 a big heavy guy at darg out. Just they just 284 00:16:42.679 --> 00:16:45.360 tear off. And you hear this wie pedal feet running 285 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:49.600 off this into two steps and just stood there. And 286 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:51.799 I didn't even actually know what to do because it 287 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:53.759 kind of caught me off guard because I had just 288 00:16:53.799 --> 00:16:56.480 turned off my thermal camera. I was gonna stand it, 289 00:16:56.519 --> 00:16:58.200 and I said, I really didn't want to pop that 290 00:16:58.200 --> 00:17:01.559 thing back up there and turn it on. And I says, hmm. 291 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.160 But when we heard the branch break behind us on 292 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:06.039 the other part of the road, we thought, oh, okay, 293 00:17:06.079 --> 00:17:08.440 they always do like to flank you. They do. They 294 00:17:08.480 --> 00:17:12.680 an'ts do that a lot. We thought, well, it was 295 00:17:12.720 --> 00:17:15.440 best to leave it alone. Just we're too close to 296 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:17.799 us in the build. Okay, he was probably within eight 297 00:17:18.039 --> 00:17:20.599 eighteen peep. We just couldn't see him and the other 298 00:17:20.680 --> 00:17:22.599 side of the tree. So we just kind of like, well, 299 00:17:22.680 --> 00:17:25.039 we'll just want to run back up to the trucks. 300 00:17:25.920 --> 00:17:30.079 Especially what we did, because it did they actually caught 301 00:17:30.160 --> 00:17:31.599 us off guard in a bad situation. 302 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:39.960 So is is having to have There been other times 303 00:17:40.000 --> 00:17:43.400 where you've had to draw your your firearms as well 304 00:17:43.480 --> 00:17:45.480 or was that a pretty unique situation. 305 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:48.759 No, that was a unique situation. And I said, Jack, 306 00:17:48.960 --> 00:17:51.359 we usually because we don't go out there calling them 307 00:17:51.359 --> 00:17:53.200 and then oh we're going to shoot them. That doesn't 308 00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:56.960 make sense. Like I said, we're up there trying to 309 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:02.119 steady in their behaviors and everything else to draw our firearms. 310 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:04.880 Just like I said, it just totally caught check off guards. 311 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:08.240 So now this so, Chuck, we've put that thing wait 312 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:13.160 for her, you know her flow this year and which 313 00:18:13.720 --> 00:18:15.680 last year we actually had the same kind of incident 314 00:18:15.720 --> 00:18:19.440 where one come in down on just on Camp Charlie, 315 00:18:19.519 --> 00:18:22.720 also at the west end, and that's the one you're 316 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:28.960 recording to think I sent you there where it sounds 317 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:31.440 like it's talking kind of like it's but we had 318 00:18:31.480 --> 00:18:33.839 to make sure it wasn't a bear or whatever because 319 00:18:33.839 --> 00:18:37.240 it did sound bear like. But there's no blackbird going 320 00:18:37.279 --> 00:18:39.559 to come into camp down and where we were at. 321 00:18:39.720 --> 00:18:43.440 So and we actually I had it sent off to 322 00:18:43.519 --> 00:18:46.880 the state. The guy that actually used to work for 323 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:50.480 State of Washington wild just for the State of Washington. 324 00:18:51.400 --> 00:18:53.960 He examined that and he said, let's not a bear. 325 00:18:54.039 --> 00:18:56.680 And I had David Ellis do it because we just 326 00:18:56.680 --> 00:18:59.440 didn't want to pop off and say this was, uh 327 00:19:00.079 --> 00:19:02.799 a bear or not a bear, So we just there. 328 00:19:03.599 --> 00:19:06.400 Everybody we send it to, we had five people of 329 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:08.119 validated it wasn't a bear. 330 00:19:10.279 --> 00:19:13.240 Which is great to get that that type of response 331 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:17.200 back from so many all the people that. 332 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:20.119 Was the cheering today I did talk about though, Yeah, 333 00:19:20.119 --> 00:19:22.680 I think I was talking about it was a cherry out. 334 00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.599 But see those kind of instance you learn things that 335 00:19:24.720 --> 00:19:27.400 we don't always have our firearms once, like I said, 336 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:29.960 most time we were sending or leading in the struct 337 00:19:30.079 --> 00:19:31.559 or whatever, because like I said, we're not going to 338 00:19:31.640 --> 00:19:34.240 go start shooting up the woods and everything. It's just 339 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:37.799 for general protection because we are dealing with things we 340 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:40.480 don't completely know anything about or how they're going to 341 00:19:40.519 --> 00:19:43.559 respond to things. So they definitely don't like guns. 342 00:19:43.559 --> 00:19:49.279 So you know, when I get reports from the Pacific 343 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:56.079 Northwest and southeast Alaska, uh, I see a pattern that 344 00:19:56.079 --> 00:19:59.400 that comes out sometimes. I'm just curious if you, if 345 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:02.640 you EXPERI variance any of this in your area as well, 346 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:05.680 do you ever get any reports at all where the 347 00:20:05.759 --> 00:20:11.440 person will say it had qualities of like an orangutan 348 00:20:12.079 --> 00:20:12.480 at all? 349 00:20:14.039 --> 00:20:18.960 Yeah, Well, we had discussion quite often because I'm studying 350 00:20:19.000 --> 00:20:21.960 their behavior more or less than I do than the 351 00:20:22.039 --> 00:20:26.240 audios and stuff, and we just we have disagreements. But 352 00:20:26.319 --> 00:20:28.440 I've been out there for a long as long as 353 00:20:29.079 --> 00:20:35.440 it's their cognitive thinking, they don't really have thinking beyond pates, 354 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:39.480 as I say, for prep like we could roll up 355 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:44.880 on mes, but there problem solving skills only go to 356 00:20:44.920 --> 00:20:47.519 a certain level and then they start and they don't 357 00:20:47.839 --> 00:20:53.319 pursue it like a human does, which leaves me believe 358 00:20:53.359 --> 00:20:56.759 that they don't have that ability. I don't know what 359 00:20:56.880 --> 00:21:00.880 the word I wanted to use was, really, uh how many? 360 00:21:01.119 --> 00:21:04.279 How many or whatever would probably be something in our past, 361 00:21:04.319 --> 00:21:07.839 because they don't seem to have past that. It seems 362 00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:13.000 to be like ape like thinking. You know, they're smart, 363 00:21:13.599 --> 00:21:15.079 I would put it in. I would have to say 364 00:21:15.079 --> 00:21:17.160 they're above a little bit above eight, but they're not 365 00:21:17.279 --> 00:21:22.680 quite human on their problem solving skills. Gotcha if that 366 00:21:22.759 --> 00:21:25.319 makes sense to you, Yeah, that's it. That's what I've 367 00:21:25.319 --> 00:21:28.640 gathered and that's what I'm studying, is all their behaviors 368 00:21:28.640 --> 00:21:32.119 and stuff like that in regards to how they react 369 00:21:32.119 --> 00:21:35.039 and how their thinking is. But they are smart for 370 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:37.359 their environment. Like I said, that's why people. A lot 371 00:21:37.359 --> 00:21:41.440 of people get confused because they are adapted for the 372 00:21:41.519 --> 00:21:44.839 forest out there and all their abilities and everything tends 373 00:21:44.880 --> 00:21:49.480 to do that. On their hunting skills, I mean, they're impressive. 374 00:21:49.559 --> 00:21:52.240 That's why I always say it's impressive on theirs hunting 375 00:21:52.319 --> 00:21:55.319 skills and stuff like that, and the way they use stealth, 376 00:21:56.400 --> 00:22:01.240 but that's adapted for their environment. I mean it's I 377 00:22:01.279 --> 00:22:03.240 always tell them, I says, well, if they were a human, 378 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:05.359 they probably be used taking roll of toilet paper or 379 00:22:05.359 --> 00:22:08.119 something else with them out there or whatever. But in 380 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:12.799 their structures that they're building, it's pretty primitive and basic. 381 00:22:16.039 --> 00:22:18.000 So a lot of people give like to giving human 382 00:22:18.079 --> 00:22:21.839 qualities where I disagree. I don't see any human qualities 383 00:22:21.839 --> 00:22:22.839 regarding that at. 384 00:22:22.759 --> 00:22:29.000 All, gotcha. So studying their behavior and just being out 385 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:33.200 in the field for so long, are there certain things 386 00:22:33.279 --> 00:22:40.319 where if you experience and outside of seeing the creature, 387 00:22:41.039 --> 00:22:44.519 let's say you experience or hear something or something happens, 388 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:50.000 are there a few things where it'll you'll be like, oh, yeah, 389 00:22:50.039 --> 00:22:52.960 I'm dealing with a bigfoot right now. That just happened. 390 00:22:54.480 --> 00:22:58.319 Well, the adults when they usually when I use the 391 00:22:58.359 --> 00:23:02.079 thing for adults is that they'll sound like a bulldozer 392 00:23:02.119 --> 00:23:05.920 going through the brush. And you can't call everything because 393 00:23:05.920 --> 00:23:08.240 that could be a giant outcome. To see the outcome 394 00:23:08.279 --> 00:23:11.319 do there too, but you have to relate a lot 395 00:23:11.359 --> 00:23:14.119 of things to it. Is that. Okay, what else besides 396 00:23:14.160 --> 00:23:16.839 that noise you're hearing back? Most time when they make 397 00:23:16.880 --> 00:23:21.599 this brush noise or whatever, they'll start throwing rocks. And 398 00:23:21.640 --> 00:23:24.599 that's what usually gives you indications that, Okay, I'm dealing 399 00:23:24.599 --> 00:23:29.720 with a bigfoot, not an elk out there, or you 400 00:23:29.759 --> 00:23:33.480 get or you might there's a lot of factory because 401 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:36.359