Speaker 1: Welcome to my world.
Speaker 2: Bitch.
Speaker 3: Wow, god.
Speaker 2: Good here.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the one hundred and sixty third episode of
Speaker 3: the Supernatural Current Studies podcast.
Speaker 4: So parenthetically Paranormal.
Speaker 3: My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and
Speaker 3: with me as always is Scarce bactor, producer, extraordinary and
Speaker 3: podcast co host. Well, Oscar, I have a story today. Wow,
Speaker 3: you don't even get you even asking excited. You're not
Speaker 3: even asking, like, Hey, what's been going on? You're like,
Speaker 3: I got a story, Get out of my way.
Speaker 4: Okay, what is it?
Speaker 3: What's been going on?
Speaker 4: Nothing? Nothing? Don't you go ahead?
Speaker 3: Okay, you got to hear this, all right. So the
Speaker 3: episode we released on January first, we said it in
Speaker 3: that show. It was pre recorded, Yes it was. It
Speaker 3: was recorded a few days before Christmas. We went off
Speaker 3: and had ours.
Speaker 4: Never done a live show on this show.
Speaker 3: No, we haven't. Oh we've done a watch party that
Speaker 3: was live.
Speaker 4: No, but it was did it did it stream live?
Speaker 4: We streamed it?
Speaker 3: Oh? That was on twitch?
Speaker 4: Oh then yeah, I guess we streamed it. Oh then yeah,
Speaker 4: you're we did one. Okay, well we.
Speaker 3: Did two watch parties. I think did we did? We?
Speaker 4: I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 3: But one was Communion, and wasn't one the Exorcist.
Speaker 4: I remember Communion. I don't remember the Exciscist.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's an episode out there somewhere of us live
Speaker 3: streaming the actress crazy.
Speaker 4: I don't remember that at all.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, uh, well part What was my point?
Speaker 4: Do you have a story?
Speaker 3: I haven't started drinking you. Oh so it was pre recorded, right?
Speaker 3: It was before Christmas? We went off. We had our Christmas.
Speaker 3: Do you have a good Christmas? I had a good
Speaker 3: Christmas too? Do you have a good New Year?
Speaker 4: It was fun.
Speaker 3: I had a good New Year too. I was in Florida.
Speaker 3: You did send a picture. You said in that episode
Speaker 3: that you were going to send us a picture or
Speaker 3: send me a picture of your your escapades on ye Christmas.
Speaker 3: I think I still have New Year's Eve, your birthday,
Speaker 3: and you did it? Go to it. You did send
Speaker 3: it to me.
Speaker 4: Oh, I did send it to you.
Speaker 3: I was pretty drunk. I'm like, what is this.
Speaker 4: I don't remember sending it to you.
Speaker 3: You did?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did it. You did it because I was drunk.
Speaker 3: So I don't want to waste too much time on this.
Speaker 4: But yeah, let me see, that's great that I sent
Speaker 4: it because I deleted it because.
Speaker 3: You're one of the people that I never delete text
Speaker 3: messages most people. I just I fucking deleted that was
Speaker 3: it for.
Speaker 4: New Year's Eve?
Speaker 3: And I wrote back, I'm like, bro, that's awesome. Love
Speaker 3: you man. There's some people. So you're okay doing something
Speaker 3: because remember you were telling your story how your your
Speaker 3: tradition is to go out solo and find people, make
Speaker 3: friends the thing, and I complemented house.
Speaker 4: I did that.
Speaker 3: That's a great thing to do. And yeah, so you
Speaker 3: lived up to what you said you were going to
Speaker 3: do on that show. And you sent me a picture
Speaker 3: on Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve, right, New Year that
Speaker 3: Christmas Eve? All right? So that brings us to the
Speaker 3: actual Christmas Eve.
Speaker 4: Okay, the actual timeline, the.
Speaker 3: Actual timeline Christmas Eve, because we haven't gotten on the
Speaker 3: MIC since Holidays. So there we are, me, Katie and
Speaker 3: the kids. We're coming home from my in law's house.
Speaker 3: That's where we spent Christmas Eve at my in law's house.
Speaker 3: We're driving through Kenosha, Wisconsin. It's a it's a small
Speaker 3: city between Chicago and Milliawaukee on two ninety four. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's a city, smaller city, on Tony four between Milwaukee
Speaker 3: and Chicago. So we're driving through Kenosh, Wisconsin. We're going
Speaker 3: down seventy fifth Street. Okay, we're heading east towards the lake. Okay,
Speaker 3: m hm, we're driving. We're driving. We're driving. All of
Speaker 3: a sudden, my wife is like, hey, what the fuck
Speaker 3: is that in the sky. I'm like, what are you
Speaker 3: talking about? I'm tired, Like I'm tired.
Speaker 4: Right, and you do all the driving.
Speaker 3: I do all the driving, you know. Uh. I think
Speaker 3: I had a few beers over there or whatever. So
Speaker 3: I was just I wanted to get home. I just
Speaker 3: wanted to get home enjoy the rest of the evening
Speaker 3: with the family. We get the kids pajamas on Christmas
Speaker 3: Eve and they open their pajamas and we watch a movie. Right,
Speaker 3: So I wanted to get home and do that. So
Speaker 3: it's like, fuck is that in the sky? Like cold?
Speaker 3: Just stop? What are you talking about? She rolls her
Speaker 3: window down. I'm like, dude, it's cold. What are you doing?
Speaker 3: She's like already, she presses the button.
Speaker 4: Kids, ask your fucking grandparents. I'm sorry, why open yourself up?
Speaker 4: Just such?
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, see what do you say? She puts
Speaker 3: down the window yeah, she puts down the window. Right,
Speaker 3: So she puts down the window as I'm driving in
Speaker 3: seventy fifth Street, you could go about fifty something. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so it's cold, and she starts sticking her phone out
Speaker 3: of the window, and I'm like, the fuck are you doing? Man,
Speaker 3: She's like, look in the sky. So as I'm driving,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm doing that thing where I'm kind of
Speaker 3: hunkering down and looking out the windshield as I'm trying
Speaker 3: not to get into an accident. And in the back
Speaker 3: seat the kids are like, what is that. So sure enough,
Speaker 3: I see these lights in the sky and I'm like, wow,
Speaker 3: this is It's pretty strange because for one, they're really
Speaker 3: really bright. They're very bright, and they're coming out of
Speaker 3: the clouds, not from the ground up, They're coming straight
Speaker 3: out of the fucking clouds, and they're moving. Yes, so
Speaker 3: you've seen so just so people know this video is
Speaker 3: on YouTube, I'll link it in the show notes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just saw it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you said it looked like Foor or like.
Speaker 4: Zeus coming from the clouds, like in the in the
Speaker 4: in the movie Hercules, like the way he material like
Speaker 4: comes from the clouds. You see the lights burst out
Speaker 4: first and then disappears in the sky like that's kind
Speaker 4: of a that's.
Speaker 3: What this was, that's what this is like. So I'm like,
Speaker 3: holy shit, I maneuver to like a side street or something,
Speaker 3: and we parked the car. Now we're stationary and I'm
Speaker 3: filming up in the sky, and I think my wife
Speaker 3: described it best. She said, it looked like there were
Speaker 3: cars driving around up there.
Speaker 4: It does look like thead lights. I was thinking, like
Speaker 4: back to your future too, all the flying cars in
Speaker 4: that futuristic world, like is a highway up there, it's
Speaker 4: a super highway, and just as traffic up there, and
Speaker 4: you see all these headlights there was drizzing by, some
Speaker 4: more faster, some were slower, some states still it was
Speaker 4: it was not there was no pattern that I could towel.
Speaker 3: In these lights and these lights from the sky.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, So we pull over and we're sitting there watching
Speaker 3: this thing, and we're trying to come up with what
Speaker 3: could this be, Like we truly is a Santa Claus
Speaker 3: and a closet there. It's Christmas Eve, and we're trying
Speaker 3: to come up with these excuses like oh, it's you
Speaker 3: know one of those huge spotlights that new businesses or
Speaker 3: movie premieres. Right, they get these spotlights that and you
Speaker 3: see them go across the sky.
Speaker 4: There's like eight I would think that too, but it's
Speaker 4: just I don't think it's that. It's like eight thirty
Speaker 4: and that's what put a spotlight in the middle of
Speaker 4: a cloud. I don't think that that's what's happening here.
Speaker 3: Oh that's my point. First, it's eight thirty on Christmas Eve.
Speaker 3: No business is advertising shit, right. Second of all, it's
Speaker 3: in Kenosha, Wisconsin. There's shit going on in Kenosha, Wisconsin.
Speaker 3: There were no sounds in the sky. It was silent.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear like helicopter blades. I didn't hear jet engines,
Speaker 3: plain of it. Nothing. Okay, eight thirty everything shut down?
Speaker 3: What would be advertising? These lights were not coming from
Speaker 3: the ground. They were coming from out of the clouds, right.
Speaker 4: And the only thing that's explainable that isn't dally and
Speaker 4: I guess is drone or drones plural.
Speaker 3: Drone or drones. They would have to be and listeners
Speaker 3: check these lights. These lights, they're massive lights. They're incredibly
Speaker 3: big bright lights. Yeah, that would have to be an
Speaker 3: incredibly big multiple clouds drones.
Speaker 4: Way a lot. They don't look like they do, but
Speaker 4: they weigh a lot. It's not easy either to maneuver
Speaker 4: in there.
Speaker 3: I don't know, do you mean dense like dense?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess it's just water, right, I mean you
Speaker 4: have to be pretty secure to be able to fly
Speaker 4: in there, right, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know what. I don't know what cloud. I don't
Speaker 3: think they weigh anything because planes fly right through them.
Speaker 3: But dense clouds, they're thick, thick clouds, right.
Speaker 4: Like, Yeah, maybe there's something too of them.
Speaker 3: So thinking that if you're yeah, if you're driving down
Speaker 3: the highway or driving down a deserted road even and
Speaker 3: it's really foggy out and you put your brights on,
Speaker 3: they tell you not to put your brights on, right,
Speaker 3: because when you put your brights on, that light goes
Speaker 3: right back into your eyes. Yeah, you can't flex off
Speaker 3: the dense wet moisture in those clouds right right. Fog
Speaker 3: that wasn't happening there. These were permeating those clouds, coming
Speaker 3: straight out in all different directions. They would stop, they
Speaker 3: would move, they would disappear, reap. It was nuts. I
Speaker 3: don't know what this is, but we have it. On
Speaker 3: our YouTube channel and I'll link it in the notes.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: The next day, I don't know if you ever heard
Speaker 3: of the app next door. Yes, it sucks. That's where
Speaker 3: you realize that your fucking neighborhood is shit. The people
Speaker 3: suck what they talk about and what they complain about,
Speaker 3: and how petty and shitty they are.
Speaker 4: I've never been on it, I know of it, and
Speaker 4: I can see.
Speaker 3: That every time I get on that app, it makes
Speaker 3: me want to move. But the next day people were
Speaker 3: talking about it, like, did you see what was in
Speaker 3: the sky? And this was like seventy fifth and I
Speaker 3: think it was Green Bay Road? What was in the
Speaker 3: sky over there by seventy fifth and Green Bay Road?
Speaker 3: And people are like, eah, we saw that, we don't
Speaker 3: know what it is. Someone answered, oh it was it
Speaker 3: was some guy's Christmas decorations, a light show he had
Speaker 3: both shit. We chased it, we went looking for it.
Speaker 3: There was no we never found a source.
Speaker 4: From the ground, right exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was coming out of the clouds. So it
Speaker 3: wasn't just us that saw it. It wasn't just us
Speaker 3: that were perplexed by it. Other people saw it and other
Speaker 3: people thought it was strange. Too. I don't know what
Speaker 3: it was. I'm hoping it was Santa. Actually, I think
Speaker 3: that would be pretty cool.
Speaker 4: I think I'd be heartbroken if it is Santa, because
Speaker 4: that will imply a lot of other things that are
Speaker 4: kind of known to us as fables it's true, in
Speaker 4: which case, why are we living such shitty lives? Of
Speaker 4: all these things I've always existed? Like, what is going
Speaker 4: what did we do? What's going on? What did I do?
Speaker 4: What did I do? So that's crazy? Yeah, that's so.
Speaker 3: You saw the video.
Speaker 4: You sure to send me the video so I'll make
Speaker 4: a TikTok out of it.
Speaker 3: You got it? Yeah, oh TikTok. Yeah, it's a whole
Speaker 3: other conversation. The moment I get TikTok, they fucking banned
Speaker 3: the thing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they just postponed at one hundred and twenty days
Speaker 4: I think so. Really, yeah they did because the government's like,
Speaker 4: oh wait, everyone's going to China harder.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's uh, but.
Speaker 3: I'll do that. I'll do that. You can put it
Speaker 3: up on your TikTok. What's your TikTok?
Speaker 4: I don't lunar rich, but I was I think going
Speaker 4: to announce it. I was just gonna post it and
Speaker 4: it's lunar ridge.
Speaker 3: Lunar ridge, yeah.
Speaker 4: With an underscore in the middle. All my all of
Speaker 4: my socials had lunar something got it and his lunar whatever.
Speaker 4: The first thing I could think of and that day
Speaker 4: was rich. That's how I named underscore. I don't name
Speaker 4: things with great meaning. I just like, I don't know, okay,
Speaker 4: picking whatever comes up, but yeah.
Speaker 3: I'll send it to you. Put it up so you
Speaker 3: see what other people think. Oh Google, I didn't put
Speaker 3: anywhere but on our YouTube channel.
Speaker 4: So yeah, uh, I think that's it.
Speaker 3: Oh, this was kind of interesting. A few weeks ago,
Speaker 3: I have a collection of baseball cards and I brought
Speaker 3: him down just for the hell of it a few
Speaker 3: weeks ago, and my son wanted to see him. Nico
Speaker 3: wanted to see him, so we started going through him
Speaker 3: and stuff. Next thing I know, he's taken photos of him,
Speaker 3: right Like, he's taken photos of him, and.
Speaker 4: He's like, hey, did he's uprising them for That's.
Speaker 3: Exactly what he did. He's like, hey, Dad, that thing's
Speaker 3: two hundred bucks. I go what and he goes, yeah, look, eBay,
Speaker 3: two hundred bucks. I go. Nico checked the the number
Speaker 3: of the cards. Sure enough, the card matches.
Speaker 4: Yeah, two hundred bucks.
Speaker 3: Take the next one, dad, that's a thousand dollars. What.
Speaker 3: So we start going through all these baseball cards. Hey, dude,
Speaker 3: he found a card that was like eight grand. It's
Speaker 3: an error Samy Sosa rookie card.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know that I had. That's how that's how
Speaker 4: it works.
Speaker 3: Long enough, I would say he found me well over
Speaker 3: fifteen thousand dollars. That's seventeen thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: No, that's a rainy day fun Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, payoff debt. I mean, do so much good stuff
Speaker 3: with that money. But the hook is someone has to
Speaker 3: be willing to pay that well.
Speaker 4: No, yeight.
Speaker 3: So I'm not saying no, you're right, right, but I
Speaker 3: guess I never knew, Like I didn't think my son
Speaker 3: could do something. You just don't.
Speaker 4: That's technology, Yeah, technology that can work that way. Just
Speaker 4: I mean, he would be much more after him. It's
Speaker 4: an extension of his body.
Speaker 3: To us.
Speaker 4: It's just it's just a tool. You're right, it's not
Speaker 4: the same. We don't look at the things the same
Speaker 4: way he does.
Speaker 3: You're right.
Speaker 4: Yeah. I was at every generation, by the way, every
Speaker 4: single one.
Speaker 3: I was like buddy, if I could sell some of
Speaker 3: these for us.
Speaker 4: It was cordless bones. Okay, so you know, you know
Speaker 4: the day by day I called the cable with the cable.
Speaker 3: The day I couldn't lay on my tummy with my
Speaker 3: legs up behind me in the little phone court rapped
Speaker 3: between my tootsies.
Speaker 4: Right, it was a sad day, sad day, sad day
Speaker 4: for all of humanity.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I did tell him that I will give
Speaker 3: him a good chunk of change if I could wind
Speaker 3: up selling some of these things. But I was so
Speaker 3: impressed with Jesus Christ.
Speaker 4: Can't think that's that's great, you know, speaking of that,
Speaker 4: you know, people reminds me of collectors and things like that.
Speaker 4: Of that nature. There's two things that you reminded me
Speaker 4: of real quick. One is that I forget the name
Speaker 4: of it, so don't at me to whatever. But the
Speaker 4: last remaining give or take Western or American company that
Speaker 4: makes Blu rays, no more DVD's that's been long gone.
Speaker 4: Blue rays and HD and stuff or four KHD are
Speaker 4: going bye bye as of this year. So potentially if
Speaker 4: you have especially DVDs but also Blue rays, keep them.
Speaker 4: Some of them might be worth something in like ten
Speaker 4: years or something. You don't know, because I'm gonna stop
Speaker 4: making them very soon. Everything's going only digital. Your election
Speaker 4: slash my collection could be worth a lot more money.
Speaker 3: I have a massive box of DVDs back there. Wow,
Speaker 3: so that it could be worth I mean it'll be
Speaker 3: the next project.
Speaker 4: I put that on the one. Yeah, more like when
Speaker 4: he's twenty. But yes, yeah, I mean you can start
Speaker 4: now if you want. Uh yeah. So there's that. And
Speaker 4: then the other thing I was gonna mention, I heard
Speaker 4: about this online or as you say, I saw a
Speaker 4: TikTok of it online. So I don't know if it's true.
Speaker 4: It just looks a little true. Is that there are
Speaker 4: people that at December every year it should be said
Speaker 4: December leg of the company discontinues a huge chunk of
Speaker 4: their of their product line. Okay, right, so they can
Speaker 4: add in all the new ones every year. It's almost random,
Speaker 4: but they always like announce it. And every year there's
Speaker 4: this guy that buys only I guess throughout the year,
Speaker 4: but mainly in December, buys every single one that's going
Speaker 4: to be discontinued and then sells that a year later
Speaker 4: to make money. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's all point, he
Speaker 4: just doesn't He doesn't build them. He doesn't go shit,
Speaker 4: they're sealed.
Speaker 3: Like that's kind of a dick move, but also a.
Speaker 4: Little bit Yeah that's kind of cool. Right, Yeah, so
Speaker 4: you reminded me of that, and I just want to
Speaker 4: bring it up. Oh cool, see with me, Like, the
Speaker 4: only thing I would add to that if I were
Speaker 4: him and I had that kind of capital to start
Speaker 4: that kind of process, which you need you kind of
Speaker 4: need to start it with money, is that I would build.
Speaker 3: Them and then I can take them apart fucking crack
Speaker 3: add it.
Speaker 4: And then carefully we're sealing them with like I don't
Speaker 4: know what, dude, you have a problem, Yeah, I have
Speaker 4: a problem.
Speaker 3: You need help.
Speaker 4: No, I don't need help. I need more lego. But yeah,
Speaker 4: that's the thank you, thank you. I first step is
Speaker 4: admitting it, but second step is getting the funk off
Speaker 4: my plate. So let's continue continuing on.
Speaker 3: We have a special bottle of whiskey I want to
Speaker 3: talk about. We're doing this kind of trend. We're the
Speaker 3: last I don't know five.
Speaker 4: I mean, we've been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 4: We just never announced it. Okay, gave a SHD before
Speaker 4: until recently.
Speaker 3: Yeah, where we've been tasting new bottles, getting a turtle
Speaker 3: opinions real quick because we're big whiskey people.
Speaker 4: Well, you give your pen, I'll just say it tastes good.
Speaker 3: So we have a very special bottle today. Now, this
Speaker 3: bottle was donated to the Supernatural Accurrent Studies podcast Tavern
Speaker 3: by my wonderful cousin Corey or Corlando. He donated us
Speaker 3: this bottle. It is special.
Speaker 4: Wait wait, you drink half? Has that? My half out?
Speaker 3: I drink a lot. So this one we're not open,
Speaker 3: we're not fresh opening. I have opened this. He actually
Speaker 3: wanted to drink a little bit with me when he
Speaker 3: gave it to us, so he expressly said, this is
Speaker 3: for the show. Open on the show. So it's a
Speaker 3: bourbon whiskey. It's called McTavish McTavish Legacy Series by McTavish Spirits,
Speaker 3: which is out of Riverview, Florida. Now, the guy who
Speaker 3: owns this company, who produced this this liquor, his name
Speaker 3: is Graham McTavish from Glasgow, Scotland. Now, Graham McTavish is
Speaker 3: probably best known and you might know who he is.
Speaker 3: He played Sir Harold Westerling. The House of the Dragon
Speaker 3: where that he was Lord Commander of the King's Guard
Speaker 3: under King Vassirius, the first Targarian, and he was known
Speaker 3: for his honor and chivalry. So he was one of
Speaker 3: the good people, the good guys.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and then he got you know, fucking asshole took
Speaker 4: over his job.
Speaker 3: And yes, he did die of natural causes in the
Speaker 3: show and in the books. Yeah, he wasn't horribly murdered
Speaker 3: like most characters. He's been in the TV show Outlander,
Speaker 3: he's been in the Hobbit trilogy.
Speaker 4: Okay, so he takes very specifically periods of time. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: all three are connected by the way, they're all a
Speaker 4: similar period of time.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, Creed Aquaman, they kind of come in out
Speaker 3: of nowhere. But so he's he's a kind of a
Speaker 3: pretty well three.
Speaker 4: It's all set in the fantasy setting.
Speaker 3: Hold out that sword. Now, it's the Legacy series. And
Speaker 3: this is I guess it's named after his daughters because
Speaker 3: right on here it says Hope and Honor. That's his
Speaker 3: daughter's name. It's made from a blend of six and
Speaker 3: seven year old bourbon, and then it's finished in peded
Speaker 3: Scotch casks, which is going to give it this kind
Speaker 3: of herbal smoky finish to that American bourbon that went
Speaker 3: into the barrels, and those are signatures of like good
Speaker 3: Scotch whiskey, sure PD smokiness. It's one hundred and ten proof,
Speaker 3: so it's a good hon his bottle. And it's actually
Speaker 3: hands signed that's cool by Grahama Tavish the bottle.
Speaker 4: That's cool. Okay, that's cool. What's the go for if
Speaker 4: you don't without the signing?
Speaker 3: So he I want to say, Corey, I think he
Speaker 3: he won the ability to buy it. Does that make sense?
Speaker 4: He available?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, it's completely sold out. Like I went to
Speaker 3: check on the website because I kind of wanted another
Speaker 3: bottle because I'm going to finish is very soon. It
Speaker 3: has completely sold out. So he won the ability to
Speaker 3: buy it. And it was under one hundred box. It
Speaker 3: was under which I think is a fucking steel because
Speaker 3: this is good, this is good whiskey.
Speaker 4: Ok So I feel like I des half of that.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: The only thing we're doing different here is that it's
Speaker 3: already opened. But a little asmr. There we go and
Speaker 3: pour you first, there you go, thank you give it
Speaker 3: a smell and a swirl. I was. I was drinking
Speaker 3: this today when I was cooking dinner. And it comes
Speaker 3: in this great box. It's kind of like this deep
Speaker 3: purply colored box.
Speaker 4: With the lighting we have going on. I have no
Speaker 4: idea what the color is.
Speaker 3: I got the GOV lights going, I got some deep
Speaker 3: red color going. And the box opens like a gate
Speaker 3: and it's just this really well made, well crafted box.
Speaker 3: It's a great it's a great looking set. It's a
Speaker 3: great looking set. So on the nose, like, when you
Speaker 3: smell it, what do you smell?
Speaker 2: A man?
Speaker 3: I think like, well, first like smoke, chocolate, smoke.
Speaker 4: I thought I smell like a berrier. But I I
Speaker 4: could be no, go with it, go with it. I
Speaker 4: don't know.
Speaker 3: Do you smell smoke?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: All right, let's right, there's that smoke. Man, cinnamon.
Speaker 4: I got the cinnamon. That's pretty good. I like this one.
Speaker 3: I'll do it again in a second, give it a second,
Speaker 3: and then take another ship. There's vanilla in there, definitely vanilla.
Speaker 3: Let me when you get the smoke, because that's what
Speaker 3: that's what it is about.
Speaker 4: I guess I get it.
Speaker 3: That smoke.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I can see him. I can feel it in
Speaker 4: my nose.
Speaker 3: Do you like it? I do like it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I actually like this one.
Speaker 3: I used to hate Irish whiskey and Scotch whiskey, but
Speaker 3: as I says, I'm getting older and my tastes are changing,
Speaker 3: I really dig I really dig this, so I'll start
Speaker 3: buying more.
Speaker 4: I mean it's not a rye, so I'm happy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you don't like to rye. And it kind of
Speaker 3: finishes kind of long, like you get I can still
Speaker 3: fits on.
Speaker 4: The tongue for a Yeah, it's still end there right now.
Speaker 3: Which is a good that's a good thing. Take a
Speaker 3: picture of this, honey.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to find it
Speaker 4: my because you stole my half. I'm at to find
Speaker 4: my own.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So thank you very much, Corey. We love the whiskey.
Speaker 3: Oscar I think enjoys it because he's snapping pictures looking
Speaker 3: to buy it. Yes, so thanks man, we really appreciate it.
Speaker 4: Of course, thank you, and uh, you know, thank you
Speaker 4: for listening. That's yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, tonight is different. I'm taking the back seat, yes,
Speaker 3: my hands behind my.
Speaker 4: Head, princess seat. You're going to be in the princess's chair. No,
Speaker 4: there's a name for it. What's it called? Passenger Princess.
Speaker 4: You're my passenger princess today.
Speaker 3: Could I roll down that window?
Speaker 4: Yes? Please it I mean my whole car. Yes, you
Speaker 4: have to roll it.
Speaker 3: Yes. So we've been talking about some fun, fun things
Speaker 3: this intro. But we're going to some dark territory today.
Speaker 4: Yeah, some pretty weird, dark, creepy pasta stuff. So that's
Speaker 4: what you expect, as the title may suggest, stay with.
Speaker 3: Us, listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights
Speaker 3: are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit, and
Speaker 3: the McTavish is flowing. Yes, it is oscar. Start this show,
Speaker 3: all right, thank you.
Speaker 4: Before I really start, I should say a couple things here.
Speaker 4: A couple of things. One is that we've covered this before,
Speaker 4: this topic very good.
Speaker 3: I should have mentioned that, go for it.
Speaker 4: No, you're fine. We covered this topic before as a
Speaker 4: bonus episode. I don't remember when, over a year ago,
Speaker 4: let's say, over two years ago, and.
Speaker 3: It was smacking covid because we were was it COVII
Speaker 3: for Patreon, That's what it was.
Speaker 4: That sounds right. So sad Satan was covered, not directly,
Speaker 4: though it was covered amongst many other video games we
Speaker 4: talked about in that episode where we talked about fucked
Speaker 4: up video games like conspiracy driven video games, a lot
Speaker 4: of scandalous kind of video games, either in its gameplay
Speaker 4: or in its making. And Sad Satan, the focus of
Speaker 4: today's episode, was one of the several that we covered,
Speaker 4: one of two that we spotlighted. There were others, but
Speaker 4: we spotlighted too in that.
Speaker 3: Episode, Sad Satan and Polybius.
Speaker 4: Polybius, that's correct, Thank you for mind. I forgot that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so what you did is you just extracted that portion, yes,
Speaker 3: your portion said Satan, and then just expanded on it.
Speaker 4: Right, So that portion was at most ten pages, I think,
Speaker 4: just the Sad Satan portion. I had it six more,
Speaker 4: and obviously I rewrote everything and I found some new stuff.
Speaker 4: But if you were a fan of that old show,
Speaker 4: you're gonna do some differences, of course, some notable differences,
Speaker 4: not just in the writing. You will notice that I
Speaker 4: have I'm gonna admit a couple things from that old
Speaker 4: show and highlight different things on this one. So just
Speaker 4: so you know, if you are a big fan and
Speaker 4: have been following us for hopefully all your lives, so
Speaker 4: that's one thing. The other thing is that there's this
Speaker 4: show has quite a bit of images to highlight, so
Speaker 4: check your show notes as were as I'm reading along here,
Speaker 4: and beyond that, I do kind of recommend for you
Speaker 4: to find Sad Satan on YouTube and just have the
Speaker 4: video playing in the background. And as I'm telling, as
Speaker 4: I'm talking about the app as this podcast is going,
Speaker 4: I think that would be a great companion piece. Obviously
Speaker 4: it turned down the sound, but otherwise I think that'll
Speaker 4: work out because as I describe things, you'll get to
Speaker 4: see it and you know, as in the gameplay there.
Speaker 4: So that is my two cents there before we start.
Speaker 4: You ready, I'm excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let me put my feet up, let me kick back.
Speaker 4: You never put your feet up in your life. Okay, oh,
Speaker 4: thank you stopping me off books. So that's all that's
Speaker 4: all I want, Not that I'll have a time to
Speaker 4: drinker now, all right, all right, So imagine you wake
Speaker 4: up in a world that uses black and gray as
Speaker 4: its primary colors. You are utterly alone in a hallway,
Speaker 4: connected to an endless series of rooms and hallways, never
Speaker 4: leading to an exit. Normally, the echoless sounds of your
Speaker 4: footsteps is the only sound accompanying you, but you get
Speaker 4: bombarded with random, nonsensical sound and musical notes. One of
Speaker 4: them is a blood curdling scream. You sometimes encounter a
Speaker 4: little girl panting and staring into nothing, but refuses to
Speaker 4: acknowledge you. This is Sad Satan, a mysterious video game
Speaker 4: with questionable origins. In order to get started on Sad
Speaker 4: Satan and why it makes for a fun rabbit hole conspiracy,
Speaker 4: we must begin with a YouTube channel called Obscure Horror Corner.
Speaker 4: So platforms like redead and four chan will make appearances
Speaker 4: for this story as well, but YouTube is the place
Speaker 4: Sad Satan was made public. The first time this channel,
Speaker 4: Obscure Horror Corner, began in January of twenty fourteen, and
Speaker 4: the final post before going completely dark was in the
Speaker 4: summer of twenty fifteen, so about a year. A year
Speaker 4: and a half actually a very short lived channel. Really.
Speaker 4: They focus on find and showing gameplay of what the
Speaker 4: title suggests. Obscure Horror and gaming titles you may or
Speaker 4: may not know which normally came from Japan are titles
Speaker 4: like Death Forest, Toy Maker, Sleepless Night, The Rabbit House.
Speaker 4: You know, weird tit weird games you never heard of, right,
Speaker 4: But they're all like super weird horror, you know. So anyway, Jamie,
Speaker 4: who is the proprietor of OHC, gave an interview on
Speaker 4: July of twenty fifteen to Kotaku, saying that a subscriber
Speaker 4: known as z K the letters Z and K led
Speaker 4: him to a bizarre video game called Sad Satan. It
Speaker 4: wasn't unusual for people, at least at this time period
Speaker 4: to take suggestions from their fan base, and Jamie was
Speaker 4: no different, so he took the suggestion of Saseitan. Now,
Speaker 4: if you're wondering as to why this random subscriber sent
Speaker 4: the Lincoln the first place, beyond you know awareness, z
Speaker 4: K claimed online it was because he was not able
Speaker 4: to play the game on his computer and was hoping
Speaker 4: to see the gameplay on THEHC channel, So that's what
Speaker 4: he said. To get Sad Satan, Jamie had to download
Speaker 4: the game via a tool like tour Are you familiar.
Speaker 3: With tour j the onion router? Yes?
Speaker 4: Deep Web yeah, which exactly, which is an open source
Speaker 4: software for enabling anonymous communication by directing Internet traffic through
Speaker 4: a worldwide worldwide network of thousands of relays making your
Speaker 4: activities private. Essentially, it's how you start going into the
Speaker 4: dark web. That's how. That's where it starts. Now from
Speaker 4: that Kutaco article quote. Something that the deep web is
Speaker 4: particularly good for, however, is anonymity. Users can upload stuff
Speaker 4: to something called Onion sites incognito, and anyone that accesses
Speaker 4: that content will have a harder time tracing the source.
Speaker 4: A little a while back, Jamie, the proprietor of the
Speaker 4: YouTube channel Obscure Horror Corner, says he dove into the
Speaker 4: deep web to download that mysterious game hosted on an
Speaker 4: Onion site. The file was called Sad Satan and it
Speaker 4: was a horror game that peaked his interest. It was,
Speaker 4: after all, an obscure horror game he could feature on
Speaker 4: his YouTube channel. After performing a malware check, the game
Speaker 4: was ready to play, and this is how Sad Satan
Speaker 4: came into his channel and finally to us here at
Speaker 4: the SOS. You're going to find that almost everything about
Speaker 4: Sad Satan is going to be strange and a bit convoluted.
Speaker 4: Obscure Horror Corner did a full gameplay run of Sad
Speaker 4: Satan in five ten minute videos very soon after the
Speaker 4: final video was uploaded was when the channel went dark,
Speaker 4: and this wasn't twenty fifteen again in the summer. Speculations
Speaker 4: on that Later, in an article on Sad Satan relating
Speaker 4: to that very gameplay by Vice, here goes quote rumor
Speaker 4: goes that a Sad Satan link was sent to one
Speaker 4: of the Obscure Horror Corner founders. He gave it a
Speaker 4: playthrough till the game started altering. His computer text began
Speaker 4: to appear, which was later translated to I can track
Speaker 4: you by by a bunch of redditors. Sufficiently creeped out,
Speaker 4: the game was deleted. The only existing footage of Sad
Speaker 4: Satan comes from five gameplay videos that were eventually posted.
Speaker 4: It's a first person hallway thriller in the vein of
Speaker 4: Giamo dol Toro's game PT but despite in some intense
Speaker 4: searching and theorizing on Reddit, no one can find out
Speaker 4: who made it end quote what do you think so far?
Speaker 3: I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued.
Speaker 4: Also, how much of us do you remember from like
Speaker 4: three years ago, four years back?
Speaker 3: I remember that website, I remember the game. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: different video game plays. That's the only footage we have
Speaker 3: is that with those game plays in an entity where
Speaker 3: we can't find who created the game deep web. I
Speaker 3: remember that. So yes, it's starting to come back a.
Speaker 4: Little bit excellent. To clarify, Jamie claimed that his notepad
Speaker 4: program would open involuntarily when playing Sad Satan and that
Speaker 4: it contained series of gibberish characters, but the only discernible
Speaker 4: part of the messages was when the number six sixty
Speaker 4: six appeared.
Speaker 3: Of course, of course right.
Speaker 4: Jamie said that he believed this to be an atmospheric
Speaker 4: touch to the creepy game, and while found this notepad
Speaker 4: activity weird, he wasn't deterred from playing only after the
Speaker 4: gibberish was translated. As to what I quoted by the
Speaker 4: Vice article saying I can track you, did Jamie scrap
Speaker 4: the game from his computer? It does bring up questions though,
Speaker 4: like did Jamie find the message after completing the game?
Speaker 4: He did post five clips about it? Did he get
Speaker 4: freaked out maybe and solidified his privacy settings further by
Speaker 4: using a different computer, maybe to finish the game later.
Speaker 4: We don't really know, but that's what he said. A
Speaker 4: link to find the game played by Jamie was placed
Speaker 4: on YouTube. Following the Kotaco interview, Our Sad statement was
Speaker 4: created on Reddit and people started going to this onion side.
Speaker 4: People saw that there was an invalid character in the
Speaker 4: link that was provided, and it led nowhere. That link
Speaker 4: had the number nine, which was wrong because hyperlinks provided
Speaker 4: by tor contains the digits two to seven, so nine
Speaker 4: wouldn't be included. This sent the Internet detectives to Jamie's
Speaker 4: Reddit and other social media accounts. They found Jamie had
Speaker 4: claimed his interest in making a horror video game of
Speaker 4: his own. So to many people right away, this possible
Speaker 4: fact led to much of the public seeing Jamie an
Speaker 4: obscure horror corner as charlatans for trying to generate appeal
Speaker 4: for a future project.
Speaker 3: Okay, right, Okay, so he's trying to generate some revenue.
Speaker 4: Right, that's what people think that he's doing. Ok the Internet,
Speaker 4: why trust it?
Speaker 3: Right? Exactly?
Speaker 4: Eventually, so think of like the marketing campaign that was
Speaker 4: made famous by the Blair Witch Project. Something like that.
Speaker 4: Wonderful kind of like that, right, Okay? Uh. Three days
Speaker 4: after the Kotaco interview, OHC came back for another to
Speaker 4: correct the link. Mishap. I'll come back to this later,
Speaker 4: but they did correct their little link thing.
Speaker 3: The Obscure Horror channel website, yes, well were YouTube site
Speaker 3: posted something else with it correctly.
Speaker 4: Right, correctly, and they fixed it and they kind of
Speaker 4: explained it a little later. But I'll come back to
Speaker 4: this in a second, because just before, like minutes before
Speaker 4: this update, a new version of Sad Satan was posted
Speaker 4: on four Chan by someone claiming to be z K
Speaker 4: the letters Z and K, supposedly the same subscriber of
Speaker 4: Obscure Horror Corner that had sent the original Sad Satan link.
Speaker 4: ZK made claims that the gameplay on YouTube that OHC
Speaker 4: posted was not the actual game he gave a link to.
Speaker 4: Oh that's what He claims that the real Sad Satan
Speaker 4: had notable differences. If you caught the lie, then you're
Speaker 4: paying attention, because how could ZK know that those gameplay
Speaker 4: videos were not real? Was not the real version of
Speaker 4: the game If he said that, the reason he could
Speaker 4: he needed, The reason he sent the link was because
Speaker 4: he couldn't play it on his own, So this was
Speaker 4: already a big problem there, so keep that in mind.
Speaker 4: But there seems to be a lie there anyway. People
Speaker 4: that downloaded this version, Harold it as at first as
Speaker 4: the real Sad Satan, found that they had problems playing
Speaker 4: the game, or worse, being able to use their computers
Speaker 4: at all. It was infected with a virus which caused
Speaker 4: serious lag and events into a complete shutdown. So this
Speaker 4: is way worse than the one Jamie had Obscure Horror
Speaker 4: Corner used. It wasn't. This version of Sad Satan was
Speaker 4: then at that time referred to as the clone version,
Speaker 4: so not the original clone. What little was, well, little
Speaker 4: that was actually access was found to be more night
Speaker 4: marriage than the original post on YouTube. The game was
Speaker 4: still playable, but not completely or not very well. It's
Speaker 4: said that the clone contained images of violent gore and
Speaker 4: child pornography. I did manage to download a video playthrough
Speaker 4: of this version from YouTube and immediately noticed the changes.
Speaker 4: Obviously the grizzly images were blurred out, obviously otherwise they
Speaker 4: wouldn't be on YouTube. This and more in a bit
Speaker 4: because of this person from four chanting the posting the
Speaker 4: clone version, people starting calling the one posted by OHC
Speaker 4: as the clean version of Sad Satan and that the
Speaker 4: more grisly illegal one may be the original. Coming back
Speaker 4: to that link error that Jamie provided. After his correction,
Speaker 4: people found out that it was a dead link, or
Speaker 4: that sad Scene was no longer accessible through that link,
Speaker 4: that maybe someone had taken it down. So right there,
Speaker 4: we don't know if Jamie corrected the link because he
Speaker 4: knew it wasn't there, meaning he took it down, or
Speaker 4: someone he knows, and then I thought it was safe
Speaker 4: to give this real link that leads nowhere or something else. Coincidentally,
Speaker 4: we don't know, but that's what happened.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: This raises suspicions. Of course, did Jamie Obscure Horror Corner
Speaker 4: delete the link? Like I said, If it was Jamie,
Speaker 4: the belief that this whole thing was a marketing stunt
Speaker 4: feels a lot more likely. Was it someone else? Maybe
Speaker 4: as they started seeing fast paced internet activity, you know,
Speaker 4: in order to play the original of Sad Satan, you know,
Speaker 4: where they're trying to keep them from the public from
Speaker 4: playing it. Who can say, we don't know. A bit later,
Speaker 4: Jamie from the channel came out and said that the
Speaker 4: reason he gave a fake link the first time was
Speaker 4: because that version of Sad Satan was too gruesome and
Speaker 4: had child pornography and wanted to show instead a clean
Speaker 4: version he had edited or that he found not entirely
Speaker 4: sure which but again, who can say for sure of
Speaker 4: the motivations. So a lot of weird lies that no
Speaker 4: one can corroborate, I mean not even us, like you know,
Speaker 4: because we're not there.
Speaker 3: Now you have z K saying the real version has CPL.
Speaker 4: Right, So people are coming out saying which is the
Speaker 4: real sad satan. So at some point, I think the
Speaker 4: Internet decided to have the one that was posted on
Speaker 4: the og channel to be the original and everything after
Speaker 4: to be cloned. So the other one is cloned, the
Speaker 4: child igraphy. I wanted to just call it the clone version,
Speaker 4: so because there was a lot of like stipulation, which
Speaker 4: is the original, which is you know whatever? So at
Speaker 4: some point people just decided the first one posted on
Speaker 4: the Internet is the original. Anything after that it's a
Speaker 4: different version.
Speaker 3: OK. But it's weird, yeah, as these Internet kind of yeah,
Speaker 3: creepy poxes.
Speaker 4: Are yeah, and conspiracies in general. Now, okay, it is
Speaker 4: time for a significant but very informative detour. This detour
Speaker 4: is part of the rabbit hole business and it adds
Speaker 4: some serious creep to this story. According to the Lubbic
Speaker 4: Avalanche Journal, a thirty two year old man named Gary
Speaker 4: Graves was sentenced to nine years in prison after admitting
Speaker 4: in August of twenty seventeen to viewing prepubescent child pornography
Speaker 4: on his cell phone. I know Graves's girlfriend called Lubbock
Speaker 4: police on him. According to the search warrant, the woman
Speaker 4: was keeping the phone as Gary was held at the
Speaker 4: Lubbig County Jail on an unrelated charge. The responding officers
Speaker 4: found several images depicting children involved in sexual acts with adults.
Speaker 4: Gary ran a YouTube channel called Scare Bear, a scare
Speaker 4: spelled the same bear as ber scare Bear, which had
Speaker 4: posted a video titled Sad Sad Satan two Sads. That
Speaker 4: video was posted on May of twenty fourteen, nearly two
Speaker 4: years before Obscure Horror Corner brought Sad Satan into the limelight.
Speaker 4: Now that video has absolutely no resemblance to the video game.
Speaker 4: A snippet from that video is on the show notes.
Speaker 4: The channel in question was traced back to a Reddit
Speaker 4: account that had been created just four days prior to
Speaker 4: the post containing the link to the clone that was
Speaker 4: posted onnfotune. The virus filled version with the sturbing images.
Speaker 4: The reddited account name was scare Bear z K. So
Speaker 4: Gary Graves was identified online as as a credited man
Speaker 4: in another video made on the channel to be the
Speaker 4: same person on the Lubbic criminal registry. This led to
Speaker 4: the educated assumption that Gary created or at least spread
Speaker 4: the clone version of Sad Satan.
Speaker 3: So is Gary z K?
Speaker 4: Yes, that is what I'm saying here, the clone being
Speaker 4: the fucked up version and his online id ZK being
Speaker 4: the person that began this whole mess with obscure horror
Speaker 4: corner in our slash creepy gaming. ZK types the comments
Speaker 4: saying quote Country Road twenty one hundred block fried Deck
Speaker 4: fourteen oh one, the truth is stranger than fiction. Unquote
Speaker 4: fuck zammy. So the message, I mean, it doesn't take
Speaker 4: the whole thing. That's a real address. Country wrote twenty
Speaker 4: one hund block Friday gets Friday December fourteen oh one
Speaker 4: is December fourteen, two thousand and one. Oh okay, okay.
Speaker 4: So this led me to an article which states the
Speaker 4: following quote, this is weird. December fourteen, two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: Lubbick Cooper High School student Kelsey Cook is killed in
Speaker 4: a single car rollover on South Indiana. Cooper's senior and friend,
Speaker 4: Bradley Madison, says quote within the quote, the driver was
Speaker 4: drunk and the passenger was not. Kelsey makes a fatal
Speaker 4: decision and gets into the car with a friend who
Speaker 4: had been drinking. Madison ads it could have been prevented
Speaker 4: by not letting teens under the age of twenty one
Speaker 4: drink end quote. The intoxicated drivers is named Nicole Crump,
Speaker 4: and she and Kelsey and Gary are of the same
Speaker 4: age and went to Shawwater High School together. Gary's federal
Speaker 4: arrest for the child pornography was led by his girlfriend
Speaker 4: at the time, Nicole Crump. It's impossible to figure out
Speaker 4: why Gary as z K posted that tragic teenage fatal
Speaker 4: car accident date on a Reddit post about sad Satan
Speaker 4: if he wasn't trying to throw some shade at his girlfriend,
Speaker 4: who you know, caused the crash in two thousand and one.
Speaker 4: What's really weird about Gary's YouTube account scare Beear is
Speaker 4: that his final post was in May of twenty fourteen,
Speaker 4: and Obscure Horror Corner began posting around January of the
Speaker 4: same year, so a lot of strange coincidental similarities here
Speaker 4: and that car accident, not implying at all here that
Speaker 4: ZK or Gary whatever that he did it. But he's
Speaker 4: obviously conduct to the person that was drunk driving that day,
Speaker 4: and he posted it on some random reddit for no reason.
Speaker 4: I don't know why.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: That's just to be weird, I guess. I couldn't tell you.
Speaker 3: I looked up a picture of him. He's weird looking.
Speaker 4: Fuck that guy, Yeah, I did. Way back when I
Speaker 4: first researched this. His account was still around, so I
Speaker 4: said to see someone.
Speaker 3: Was it really still around? Yeah?
Speaker 4: Saw some of his old videos. Nothing, nothing special, nothing hidden.
Speaker 4: He's not smart, but I saw his face more. Fuck that.
Speaker 4: You're right though, he's a piece of shit. But he's arrested, thankfully,
Speaker 4: shotgun right to his face. Right now, that's most of
Speaker 4: the background. Let's get into Sad Satan itself. I will
Speaker 4: be getting into a lot of the nitty gritty of
Speaker 4: this game, but there will be obvious cuts to some
Speaker 4: of what goes on. I will be staying within the
Speaker 4: five videos that were uploaded on YouTube by Obscure Horror
Speaker 4: Corner primarily, and then I'll get into some of the
Speaker 4: other versions of Sad Satan, but it should be said
Speaker 4: those are lesser versions because they are not the crux
Speaker 4: of this conspiracy. Really, some of the images I will
Speaker 4: be describing are on the show notes, as well as
Speaker 4: others I will not mention. So what the hell is
Speaker 4: this game? It's certainly ominous, but kind of barely a game.
Speaker 4: Much like I described in the opening, it's a first
Speaker 4: person experience and you're someone unknown. You don't have a name.
Speaker 4: You could be a last soul, a child, a grieving parent,
Speaker 4: or maybe you're Satan himself. Who knows. You walk down
Speaker 4: these hallways, these long hallways, and pass through some doors
Speaker 4: and meet a few static characters or NPCs along the way,
Speaker 4: but that's really all the activity. It's difficult to tell
Speaker 4: if you are on a set path or one of many.
Speaker 4: Like if you play it again, it will it be
Speaker 4: a different experience. It's almost amazed, but the goal doesn't
Speaker 4: seem to be finding a way out or searching for
Speaker 4: a specific person or item. The place is out of
Speaker 4: the place. The game is also ugly. It has very
Speaker 4: few colors and is more of an experimental showcase than
Speaker 4: a game. It features monochromatic corridors while various audio samples
Speaker 4: are played and looped over and over each other. Now,
Speaker 4: let's get into some of the audio of Sad Satan. Now,
Speaker 4: the bumper music you heard earlier is actually from the game.
Speaker 4: Here's a more completed version of that very sound. That
Speaker 4: child's voice you think you're hearing is actually meant to
Speaker 4: be played in reverse and coupled with the eerie ice
Speaker 4: cream truck music is from the Swedish rhapsody number station
Speaker 4: called the Cone Project. This is a Polish number station
Speaker 4: operated by the Ministry of Public Security that utilized AM
Speaker 4: broadcasting between the late nineteen fifties and the late nineteen nineties.
Speaker 4: This nifty piece of spycraft was mentioned on this show before,
Speaker 4: on episode sixty two.
Speaker 3: That's what it was. We talked about numbers.
Speaker 4: I went back to our own archives to find out
Speaker 4: what we're talking about. It took a while, I remember where.
Speaker 3: So listeners check out episode sixty two. That's right, number stations.
Speaker 4: That's right, that real thing that really existed was inserted
Speaker 4: into Sad Satan. Why let's first develop the pattern. Now,
Speaker 4: the closest time you encounter something resembling a musical score
Speaker 4: for the game. Other than that, you know ice cream
Speaker 4: truck music is when this pops up, I would say
Speaker 4: that hardly qualifies as a musical score. What did you think?
Speaker 3: It's creepy as shit, like it's the devil has an iggestion.
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, that's a girl. He needs pepto. He needed,
Speaker 4: he need some pepto. That clip turns out to be
Speaker 4: a very very slow down and distorted version of a
Speaker 4: song from kmf DM.
Speaker 3: Kill Motherfucking depeche Mode.
Speaker 4: That's right.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 4: The song title is lynch Mob, which has a tenuous
Speaker 4: connection with Eric Harris and Dial Dylan Cleebold really uh huh,
Speaker 4: the two high school students that perpetray of the massacre
Speaker 4: at Columbine High School in nineteen ninety nine. There are
Speaker 4: pictures of the two shooters wearing KMFDM band shirts.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think I remember those pictures too.
Speaker 4: I remember too.
Speaker 3: And by the way, I don't know if KMFDM actually
Speaker 3: stands for kill motherfucking depeche Mode, but that's what they
Speaker 3: used to say. Yeah, and just to put it on record,
Speaker 3: I fucking love depeche Mode, So there we go.
Speaker 4: I also dig depeche Mo more than this band, I
Speaker 4: would say, but I was so I don't know this
Speaker 4: band very well.
Speaker 3: Was cool?
Speaker 4: But yeah it was cool and that is I must
Speaker 4: I just I think it went over my head at
Speaker 4: that time, Like I don't think I even knew they existed,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. So an example of another
Speaker 4: slow down song that's that that is found to be
Speaker 4: in the Sad Satan is Alabama song by the Doors.
Speaker 3: Do you know? Can I?
Speaker 4: Yes? Go ahead.
Speaker 3: I don't mean to derail you. So I just put
Speaker 3: a post on Instagram today showing the whiskey here. Oh yeah,
Speaker 3: this song I played, played it. That was the Alabama
Speaker 3: song Whiskey Bar.
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, Jay, I wish this provided more
Speaker 4: proof for the show to write it. I didn't write
Speaker 4: it in because didn't make any sense. But I went
Speaker 4: to a rabbit hole of the original of that song
Speaker 4: how that song was first made. It was a German song,
Speaker 4: you know what. No, I went into a whole rabbit
Speaker 4: hole just to find out anything meaningful that I could
Speaker 4: add to the show. But there there was nothing meaningful.
Speaker 4: Wert yes, but but there was a connection. There's something
Speaker 4: I'll tell you right now, but it's not like about
Speaker 4: the song's origins. You know, that's what my problem anyway.
Speaker 4: So Alabama's song by the Doors a famous cover song
Speaker 4: from your German original if it's If you're not familiar
Speaker 4: with that song, go look it up. It's a great
Speaker 4: interesting story because it was made nineteen thirties, right before
Speaker 4: Lancy's really took over.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 4: The creepy part emphasized in the game is when the
Speaker 4: song gows quote show me the way to the next
Speaker 4: little girl and then yeah, yes, that's the part that's
Speaker 4: highlighted in the game. Here's the clip from the game,
Speaker 4: but reverse so that way it makes sense. Okay, so
Speaker 4: we're back. So yeah, so that clip in the video
Speaker 4: game is actually reversed. I reversed it for you guys,
Speaker 4: so you guys can understand what the hell they're saying.
Speaker 3: Got it, got it? And that is exactly what Jim
Speaker 3: Morrison says that song.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I you know, I knew of that song. I
Speaker 4: definitely wasn't a big familie. I didn't know it's a
Speaker 4: great song, but it's fun. I've heard it like in
Speaker 4: other versions of it. I've heard like a swing time
Speaker 4: kind of version of it. I've heard a star version.
Speaker 4: I think once. I can see that too, so but
Speaker 4: not not the original origion from Germany. But yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 4: It's a crazy, fun song. It's a fun song with
Speaker 4: the if you listen to the original, no no, Lie,
Speaker 4: it's a creepy version, the German version of the German origin.
Speaker 3: It's in English, but itn't have to.
Speaker 4: It's weird.
Speaker 3: Cool's weird cool.
Speaker 4: Love it all right. I'll get into more of the
Speaker 4: bizarre sound clips, but I want to introduce another component
Speaker 4: to Sad Satan. As your character walks up and down
Speaker 4: the hallways, the player gets randomly hijacked with a full
Speaker 4: frame picture. It is unclear whether it is time based,
Speaker 4: meaning the specific or random photograph come at you at
Speaker 4: certain times no matter where you are, or if it's
Speaker 4: when you cross certain thresholds in the gameplay. Sure as such,
Speaker 4: one of the pictures is connected to the audio bombardments,
Speaker 4: though not at the same time. At just over the
Speaker 4: ten minute mark of the gameplay, the player gets a
Speaker 4: full frame picture of Jimmy Saville standing next to UK
Speaker 4: Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher sponsoring the NSPCC. The acronym stands
Speaker 4: for National Society for the Prevention of cruelty to children.
Speaker 3: Come on, just stop.
Speaker 4: And the disgusting irony is that shortly after TV icon
Speaker 4: in famous DJ Jimmy Saville died at eighty four, massive
Speaker 4: amounts of allegations came out of sexual abuse, which included,
Speaker 4: but not limited to children. Oh, I mean yeah, massive
Speaker 4: sunies will decades.
Speaker 3: The stories will turn your stomach and listeners have to
Speaker 3: understand how big this guy was over in the UK.
Speaker 3: Jimmy Saville was.
Speaker 4: Like Michael Jackson level for a lot of them.
Speaker 3: Massive, connected to every political figure you could think of,
Speaker 3: every person who is who in whatever they call Hollywood
Speaker 3: over there. Yeah, I mean he was fucking tied in.
Speaker 4: Which they can call it te town.
Speaker 3: I'm not really nobody, uh, which is why they say
Speaker 3: he was never outed until after his death because he
Speaker 3: was so tied in and so many people knew, and
Speaker 3: so many people helped him and covering for him. It
Speaker 3: is a fucked up story, it is. That's fucked up
Speaker 3: that they put that in that ship.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they put a full pank picture in your face
Speaker 4: next to Margaret Thatcher though that's all a very big political,
Speaker 4: you know, person in UK at that time. Of course,
Speaker 4: So the sound clip that accompanies. This image is creepy
Speaker 4: once you know this civille scandal.
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with THEE.
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Anny Louis Norm rot Sorosa.
Speaker 4: Nothing wrong with THEE.
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, Anny Louis Norm wrote, Sorosa.
Speaker 3: Nothing wrong with THEE. I'm wrong.
Speaker 1: Anny Louis Norm wrote Sorosa.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's the clip they used, which is extracted
Speaker 4: from an interview in twenty eleven. So he was already
Speaker 4: almost to death at that point. But yeah, I.
Speaker 3: Haven't broken any laws, have you none whatsoever? Right? But
Speaker 3: in reality he was the devil in carget.
Speaker 4: For a lot of people. Sure, a lot of victims,
Speaker 4: one hundred percent. Yeah, crazy, crazy wall, We're in there.
Speaker 4: There are other fucked up pictures. At some point you
Speaker 4: get the driver's license picture of Sutomu Miyazaki, also called
Speaker 4: the Otaku murderer, who in Japan raped and killed four
Speaker 4: little girls. Ralph Harris, a famous Australian who worked in
Speaker 4: UK television, even once alongside Jimmy Seville, was convicted of
Speaker 4: sexual I was convicted for sexual assault on four underage
Speaker 4: girls in twenty fourteen. This picture is of him in
Speaker 4: a Santa Claus outfit, surrounded by smiling children in what
Speaker 4: appears to be a promo shoot that looks a little
Speaker 4: like a stock photo. To me, is important to the
Speaker 4: time period we're talking about regarding Sad Satan because it
Speaker 4: cemmens the fact that the game must have been made
Speaker 4: no earlier than twenty thirteen, when when the Ralph Harris
Speaker 4: scandal began. Oh okay, I like that a little bit
Speaker 4: of it. No one ever talks about it, but yeah,
Speaker 4: the timeframe fits my point. So the Sad Satan is
Speaker 4: of its time. It wasn't made like so long ago whatever.
Speaker 3: Okay, which gives more authenticity to it.
Speaker 4: Like exactly a little bit more.
Speaker 3: Yes, and again, listeners can see these photos.
Speaker 4: In the show the shows. That's why I describe this,
Speaker 4: so you can see what I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Creepy, They're creepy photos.
Speaker 4: Yeah, definitely. Another notable picture is of famed and still
Speaker 4: working filmmaker Roman Polanski, who in nineteen seventy seven pled
Speaker 4: guilty to drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl
Speaker 4: and is currently a fugitive from the US justice system. Now,
Speaker 4: the trend here is pretty obvious crimes against children against
Speaker 4: the innocent. The gameplay itself reflects this. There's one notable
Speaker 4: NPC you meet in one of the quiet quarters. It's
Speaker 4: a little girl standing and looking down, but not exactly
Speaker 4: at the floor, more like through it, staring at nothing.
Speaker 4: She's heaving a bit, but not making a sound and
Speaker 4: not acknowledging you. After a moment, the quiet gets interrupted
Speaker 4: by a blood curdling scream. Now, don't worry. The Internet
Speaker 4: salutes found where that scream came from. And it's not
Speaker 4: someone getting tortured and murdered. Its stalk audio made by
Speaker 4: some woman for anyone to purchase and use. Thank god, yes,
Speaker 4: thank God, and now element it's implying right. However, in
Speaker 4: the context of where you are in the beginning game
Speaker 4: and you hear that, also extremely creepy. Elements of that
Speaker 4: audio were changed to a bit too dramatic effect, But
Speaker 4: it's nothing special other than the fact that the scream
Speaker 4: always gives me the goddamn chills, even knowing the truth.
Speaker 3: Now doosbumps all over my body.
Speaker 4: Every time listen to it? Mm hmm every time. Imagine
Speaker 4: playing this game for the first time from some questionable
Speaker 4: Internet source, Your alone in the dark, and the game
Speaker 4: constantly interrupts your lonely footsteps with weird looping soundscase and
Speaker 4: strange images. Now add that scream after meeting the one
Speaker 4: lonely girl in the game sad saying is very fun
Speaker 4: creepy pasta. There are a couple more things I want
Speaker 4: to highlight here. Here is the clip as it appears
Speaker 4: in the game, followed right next to each other. I'm
Speaker 4: gonna put them back to back, followed the same clip
Speaker 4: in reverse. That distorted clip is accompanied by an image
Speaker 4: of a white screen with a code that links to
Speaker 4: a song titled I Love Beijing Tianamen. People online have
Speaker 4: deduced that the song is from a cheap sn e
Speaker 4: s game called Hong Kong ninety seven, which showed, among
Speaker 4: other things like cuswords, which is unheard of back then,
Speaker 4: and a disembodied head of a Chinese stick tape. Besides that,
Speaker 4: a picture of a bloody corpse as the game overscreen.
Speaker 4: This dead person picture baffled people at first as to
Speaker 4: its origins, but was later discovered to be from something
Speaker 4: called Death File Yellow and Faces of Death, which are
Speaker 4: narrated documentaries that depict real and gruesome deaths. That song
Speaker 4: is famously sung by children, by the Way, and here's
Speaker 4: what the original sounds like. Yeah, so obviously this single,
Speaker 4: the original singer of this wasn't tortured or murdered or anything,
Speaker 4: but it doesn't just immediately invoked the obviously Tannamin Square
Speaker 4: and that whole horrible thing. But the fact that it's
Speaker 4: also famous each sung by children, and it's connected to
Speaker 4: this other video game and we're talking about a different
Speaker 4: video game, there's a there's definitely some creep connection there.
Speaker 3: So again, continuing that theme and harm.
Speaker 4: The children right a little bit. Anyway. The last thing
Speaker 4: I want to talk about in some detail, anyway, is
Speaker 4: something near to the Supernatural Current Studies podcast. Charlie Manson
Speaker 4: clips are notable in Sad Satan of course, right of course, right,
Speaker 4: why not? Manson needs no introduction, but at the very
Speaker 4: least in connection to the child abuse and child predators.
Speaker 4: Manson did recruit and sleep with young women often during
Speaker 4: his reign. This clip gets looped over and over during
Speaker 4: a portion of the gameplay.
Speaker 2: If I started murdering people, none of your left. If
Speaker 2: I started murdering people, did none of your left? If
Speaker 2: I started murdering people?
Speaker 4: That clip of Manson's maniacal ramblings is from an interview
Speaker 4: he did while incarcerated. A huge portion of that interview
Speaker 4: also plays in the game, but it's distorted. There are
Speaker 4: many other examples that were cut for time. When researching
Speaker 4: this weird game, I had a few important questions. What
Speaker 4: is the purpose of Sad Satan? Who are the intended audience?
Speaker 4: Who in the hell made this game? And other versions? Now,
Speaker 4: before speculating on who might have made Sad Satan's, I
Speaker 4: think we have to talk about on how it was made.
Speaker 4: I'm not too familiar with game making and anything with
Speaker 4: computer code, but I found that something called the Unity
Speaker 4: Terror Engine was used to make Sad Satan. Its purpose
Speaker 4: is to make horror games very simply. Games like Silent
Speaker 4: Hill the original course used this engine, for example. What's
Speaker 4: telling is that the engine is prized for its advanced
Speaker 4: mechanics that allows users with no coding experience to be
Speaker 4: able to make their game. This is interesting because of
Speaker 4: the little rabbit hole I'm about to lead you to.
Speaker 4: Scrutinizers online notice some strange inconsistencies with the videos on
Speaker 4: Obscure Horror Corner. They noticed overlaying issues where none of
Speaker 4: them should be. They noticed a few cuts. They noticed
Speaker 4: a few cuts made to the gameplay that doesn't quite
Speaker 4: match with what's supposed to be happening. The only weird
Speaker 4: thing I noticed is that the five videos don't connect
Speaker 4: very well with each other, meaning that where you are
Speaker 4: at the end of the first video isn't exactly where
Speaker 4: you start at the start of the second video, and
Speaker 4: so forth. It's pretty sketchy if you think about it.
Speaker 4: Doesn't really make sense now. The cuts within these videos
Speaker 4: that people talk about online I couldn't see very well.
Speaker 4: The monochromatic setting and old school pixelization nature of the
Speaker 4: game makes it difficult to discern those cuts. There were
Speaker 4: little glitches I couldn't explain, especially since we're supposed to
Speaker 4: be watching a solid, flowing play through video. But also remember, folks,
Speaker 4: this is before twitch and live streaming gameplay became a
Speaker 4: real thing. What's telling is that there's a picture, one
Speaker 4: of many, that pops up inconsistently to the rest and
Speaker 4: in what looks like a slightly different aspect ratio. This
Speaker 4: is in the fourth video of the playthrough. There's an
Speaker 4: added element concerning Jamie. Oh wait, sorry, it's kid myself,
Speaker 4: so this isn't the fourth video. The aspect ratio. I
Speaker 4: don't have a sample of this for you guys, but
Speaker 4: it's basically the same gameplay, but the aspect ratio changes
Speaker 4: for no reason. So what that does. So I don't
Speaker 4: know if you're familiar with video aspect ratios, but typically
Speaker 4: a movie stays in one aspect ratio the entire time, right,
Speaker 4: a video game largely more so. Sometimes they'll skip around
Speaker 4: to be fun or dramatic. But a game like this
Speaker 4: where you see ninety percent is one way and you
Speaker 4: see two percent of it not, it kind of throws
Speaker 4: It makes it look like you're watching something doctored. Okay,
Speaker 4: that's that's what people are saying online of this aspect
Speaker 4: ratio change. It's not the biggest deal. It just provides
Speaker 4: some shade on that original gameplay. It just it just
Speaker 4: makes it all suspicious, That's really it, because it's not
Speaker 4: like we can confirm any of this anyway, you know,
Speaker 4: anyway where am I? Okay? There is an added element
Speaker 4: concerning Jamie of OHC being inconsistent with what he was
Speaker 4: saying about the origins of SAD saying online many claim
Speaker 4: that there are sources of him stating that the subscriber
Speaker 4: z K sent him the link, while other times he
Speaker 4: claimed to have found the game himself on the dark Web.
Speaker 4: That's the problem, uh huh, nothing really quite fits. The
Speaker 4: more you dig into this story, I think this is
Speaker 4: just the nature of online based conspiracies. To recap a
Speaker 4: little bit here, a man named Gary Graves under the
Speaker 4: name z K and Scarebear allegedly sent a link to
Speaker 4: the Sad Satan to the Sad Satan game to Jamie
Speaker 4: of Obscure Horror Corner, which is where gameplay first appeared online.
Speaker 4: Gary claimed that he wanted to see gameplay of Sad
Speaker 4: Satan because he cannot play it himself for reasons unknown.
Speaker 4: Nearly all of the descriptions I gave on Sad Satan
Speaker 4: came from those five clips that posted before they themselves
Speaker 4: ghosted that channel. Gary soon claimed that this version was
Speaker 4: not the correct one, which makes no sense of course,
Speaker 4: if he couldn't play or see the game himself before
Speaker 4: sending the link. We mentioned all this already. Gary posted
Speaker 4: the so called real game on four Chan, where people
Speaker 4: found it very difficult to play due to the havoc
Speaker 4: that caused their computers. Gary said, quote what you've seen
Speaker 4: on YouTube isn't right don't believe that coward obscure horror corner.
Speaker 4: He did not show you what was truly in this game,
Speaker 4: z K. I did see some of that gameplay, and
Speaker 4: both versions look identical, except certain soundscapes are different or
Speaker 4: altered or come at different points in the game. Additionally,
Speaker 4: this real version contains images of gore, gory bodies, and
Speaker 4: child pornography. Those are the differences. It should be said
Speaker 4: that those images were blurred out in the gameplay that
Speaker 4: I saw, so I didn't actually see these things. Thankfully.
Speaker 4: I did manage to get some vague descriptions, and probably
Speaker 4: for the best. There's for example, there is a beheading,
Speaker 4: a body after being run over by a truck. There's
Speaker 4: a huddle child but with its head missing, and that
Speaker 4: image is on the show notes because I don't think
Speaker 4: it's at home. Wait what that image I sent you
Speaker 4: is for the show notes?
Speaker 3: A headless child?
Speaker 4: Yeah, a huddled child but with his head missing. It's
Speaker 4: not cut off, it's just missing. It's hard to describe it.
Speaker 4: You have to kind of see it. Do you know
Speaker 4: what I mean? There's an wait, wait, wait, I sentity
Speaker 4: is on the show notes.
Speaker 3: I haven't looked wait, so it's this isn't real there pictures?
Speaker 4: No, no, I don't, although I think the the other
Speaker 4: ones are like the one that's the car that's run
Speaker 4: over some guy. It's like an autopsy photo. It looks
Speaker 4: like those are in the show notes right now. No, no,
Speaker 4: not that one. I'm just describing what's in this fucked
Speaker 4: up version of Sad Satan. One of those pictures, the
Speaker 4: one I told you, is in the show notes. The
Speaker 4: rest of you all find them yourselves. Fuck, okay, anyway, Sorry,
Speaker 4: we're gonna get shucked down for this. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: so hold on, where am i?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 4: Okay, there's an image that appears to be an aborted
Speaker 4: fetus with tribal tattoos. Don't ask me.
Speaker 3: That's that's straight out of the nineties.
Speaker 4: Yeah, is that it's a tribal Of course, you make
Speaker 4: a joke. I dought you were like something serious. Luckily
Speaker 4: I have no descriptions of the child pornography, so thankfully
Speaker 4: I don't have that now. False claims on the Internet
Speaker 4: is nothing new. There are people that relish on spinning
Speaker 4: a tale for some semblance of credit or spotlight, not
Speaker 4: to mention the ones that have more substantial reasons, whether
Speaker 4: it's advertisement or of a nefarious nature. There is one
Speaker 4: question that people have had about Satan that remains for
Speaker 4: the most part unanswered. The first one being is oh.
Speaker 4: The main one being is that who made the fucking game?
Speaker 4: There are people who say that Jamie from Obscure Horror
Speaker 4: Corner did it without a shadow of a doubt. These
Speaker 4: people believe that he made Sad Satan and tried to
Speaker 4: make it look like he discovered it online, or in
Speaker 4: his case, maybe that a subscriber on his channel has
Speaker 4: sent it to him, that he was generating hits on
Speaker 4: his channel, which it did, or to advertise himself for
Speaker 4: a future horror horror video game he was gonna make,
Speaker 4: which Jamie said he was us.
Speaker 3: Did it?
Speaker 4: I mean you never as far as I know, No,
Speaker 4: I know what you're about to ask.
Speaker 3: Oh, No, I was just saying about his viewership. Did it?
Speaker 3: I mean, did it really spike when this it did spike?
Speaker 3: Or are we talking millions or no?
Speaker 4: No, but significant but not like you're right, it was
Speaker 4: a lot more than he's used to.
Speaker 3: But not so yeah, or mister beast right, But so
Speaker 3: if that's what he was trying to do, it did
Speaker 3: in some sport it did. That could be a reason.
Speaker 4: There are definitely holes in his narrative, though too many.
Speaker 4: It is a neat explanation because if Jamie made the
Speaker 4: clean and original version of Sad Satan, then he would
Speaker 4: definitely want to go Internet dark once a more nefarious version,
Speaker 4: the clone version was being passed around filled with the
Speaker 4: child pornography, so maybe it makes sense that they went dark.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't want to be associated with it.
Speaker 4: Right before the clone version of Sad Satan's surfaced, this
Speaker 4: story barely merit any kind of real intrigue. People were
Speaker 4: sure of the truth. The cloned version through a wrench
Speaker 4: and made the mystery more substantial, and because it involves
Speaker 4: illegal and a moral things, it is also more intriguing,
Speaker 4: especially on the Internet, which brings us back to ZK.
Speaker 4: It's been established that ZK scare beear scare beear ZK
Speaker 4: is one person named Gary Graves from Love with Texas.
Speaker 4: He pleaded guilty to viewing and obtaining child pornography on
Speaker 4: his phone. He's currently in prison serving a sense of
Speaker 4: no more than twenty years.
Speaker 3: Good.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Gary threw in that wrench onto the Sad Satan
Speaker 4: mystery in the middle of ohc's release of the gameplay.
Speaker 4: After the third video back in twenty fifteen, Gary posted
Speaker 4: a link on four chant that led people to his
Speaker 4: Sad Satan. Theoretically, his claim that OHC posted the wrong
Speaker 4: game makes no sense, but it does make Gary a
Speaker 4: suspect as to the creator of the original, if not
Speaker 4: at least the clone version, that his mission was to
Speaker 4: either claim credit or some kind of bizarre prestige for
Speaker 4: having made this much talked about game, or maybe to
Speaker 4: frighten and surprise people by the illegal images. Never believe
Speaker 4: that a stupid motive doesn't exist, especially online. Trying to
Speaker 4: capitalize on the whirlwind surrounding the clean version of Sad
Speaker 4: Satan is motive enough for this sickle to make his
Speaker 4: clone version, But could he have made the original as well.
Speaker 4: Many people, though not as many as the ones that
Speaker 4: believe Jamie did it, believe that Gary Graves is the
Speaker 4: author of the original, as the wiki page for Sad
Speaker 4: Satan names the author as z K not Jamie.
Speaker 3: Really.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's just someone stating a thing we don't
Speaker 4: know because it's still wiki.
Speaker 3: It's not like.
Speaker 4: Fact, right, So that's what it says. Who else might
Speaker 4: be responsible. There are no other names to this story
Speaker 4: that come close to being the author of Sad Satan.
Speaker 4: Some believe that it is simply an obscure link that
Speaker 4: was found in a form post on the dark Web,
Speaker 4: just randomly, a place where games are rarely, if ever
Speaker 4: posted to begin with, It lacks an author because it
Speaker 4: comes from the dark Web, adding another notch to the
Speaker 4: mystery of the online underworld. Others say that the original
Speaker 4: was intended to guide send messages and child pornography to
Speaker 4: other pedophiles, a low rental cult version of a secret organization. However,
Speaker 4: there is one strong contender ab yet to mention that
Speaker 4: the FBI commissioned the making of Sad Satan. Oh hold on, now, yeah,
Speaker 4: what you would call a honeypot designed to lure pedophiles
Speaker 4: or potential criminal elements to the game. That the game
Speaker 4: has a backdoor program installed to track users' IP addresses,
Speaker 4: which may help to explain why many people's computers right
Speaker 4: were lagging and crashing after z K posted on four Chan.
Speaker 4: It simplifies things for people because it makes sense that
Speaker 4: Jamie could have altered the game once he found the
Speaker 4: illegal contents of Sad Satan, and that a furious Gary
Speaker 4: posted the real version to show others answering the who
Speaker 4: greatly explains the why. Yeah, yeah, so what do you think.
Speaker 3: I like that honeypot idea. That's interesting, funny, that is
Speaker 3: an interesting reason for the game. I don't know. So
Speaker 3: the the whole hubbabaloo hubb about the Sad Satan is
Speaker 3: basically the dirty version. That's that's what gets everyone drawn
Speaker 3: in the gore.
Speaker 4: It adds, it adds like a very special wrinkle to it.
Speaker 3: Now the child p all that stuff, that's what that's
Speaker 3: is that the crux of the Sad Satan thing. Why
Speaker 3: would someone create something?
Speaker 4: I think that's what elevated it to a conspiracy. That's
Speaker 4: what made it interesting. That's what made it big. It
Speaker 4: made both versions big.
Speaker 3: Really and and the fact that we can't pinpoint where
Speaker 3: this correct thing came from, who made it?
Speaker 4: And if we knew from the get go, this would
Speaker 4: have saw itself in one day and we probably wouldn't
Speaker 4: be talking about it today. Yeah, because we weren't have
Speaker 4: known about it.
Speaker 3: I means, listen, obviously it's fucking weird. Check the pictures
Speaker 3: in the show notes and research some of the people
Speaker 3: in those photos. It's horrible. I mean, these images are horrible,
Speaker 3: the people are horrible. Yeah, So why would someone do that?
Speaker 3: Is it an ar game? Like an alternate reality game?
Speaker 3: Is it? Is there more out there that we just
Speaker 3: don't know about that?
Speaker 4: I I think that I can say for sure. Is
Speaker 4: it from the same guy? I don't know, That's what
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because now you're going to have copycats and everything.
Speaker 4: I think someone might have, even like Sad saying it
Speaker 4: in some Persian is available to play on Steam. I
Speaker 4: think that someone made because why not? Why not make money?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 4: Why not?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: No, sure, yeah, no, I mean by now, yes, I
Speaker 4: don't know if it was now, but it was within
Speaker 4: the year or two of this story breaking down, and wow,
Speaker 4: oh yeah.
Speaker 3: I don't know. I mean, you know, we've seen some
Speaker 3: pretty weird stuff out there on YouTube.
Speaker 4: Yes, you have old abandoned I mean we mentioned the
Speaker 4: top of the show you posted yourself a weird thing
Speaker 4: that happened in real life on YouTube recently?
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah? Yeah, Santa or Aliens or you know these
Speaker 3: old banded YouTube channels that were some form of art project. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you know some guy made fifteen years ago and.
Speaker 4: He was Honestly, what I think of is that a
Speaker 4: Momo character, who was that creepy doll Momo? Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: turn out to be some guy in Italy making a
Speaker 4: project and just trying to see what people would say.
Speaker 4: It was like very innocent and just whatever. And he
Speaker 4: took it down because it's people are too scared of it.
Speaker 4: He's trying to be wholesome. Like everyone's fucking freaking out.
Speaker 3: Just won't go to sleep it because of what I
Speaker 3: made it. Yeah. Yeah, my kids were the same way.
Speaker 3: They hated Momo. They're terrified.
Speaker 4: I can see it. It's carry.
Speaker 3: We actually did an episode on those viral Internet that's how.
Speaker 4: That's how I remember that.
Speaker 3: I think we talked about Momo there. Yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it's it's it is an intriguing story. Why someone would
Speaker 3: do this? Obviously, there's just there's a horrible underlying theme
Speaker 3: to the game with you know, yeah, injuries of children
Speaker 3: and hurting children. Why would someone do that? And the sounds,
Speaker 3: Oh my god. When you played the scream for me,
Speaker 3: I had goosebumps all over my body. I like it.
Speaker 4: I mean it's interesting.
Speaker 3: Are we going to have the gameplay in the show notes? No?
Speaker 4: The game plan is very boring. Honestly, the soundcause I've
Speaker 4: been showing you it's from the games, Like that's where
Speaker 4: they're coming from. And that's better than hearing footsteps. That's
Speaker 4: all it is.
Speaker 3: I'm picturing like a fucked up doom. Oh.
Speaker 4: I mean, you can say it's a fucked up doom,
Speaker 4: but just no, you're not carrying anything, You're not healing,
Speaker 4: you're not fighting anything. You know, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: So then that's the whole other angle too. What's the point?
Speaker 4: I know I'll get tomorrow right now, but yeah, there's
Speaker 4: that's that's what's hard. Also, like it doesn't seem to
Speaker 4: be a point. Wow, And that's whatever you add to it.
Speaker 4: I guess that's the point kind of thing, kind of
Speaker 4: I of the beholder. Now, personally, I find it difficult
Speaker 4: to believe that the FBI commissioned the making of Sad Satan,
Speaker 4: because Gary Graves would have been arrested for that, not
Speaker 4: from his girlfriend turning him in. Nothing about Gary's online
Speaker 4: activities were mentioned in his arrest report. Trying to find
Speaker 4: out who the target audience is for Sad Satan goes
Speaker 4: hand in hand as to who made it, which is
Speaker 4: impossible to confirm. If it was Jamie from Obscure Horror Corner,
Speaker 4: then it's a showcase piece of advertisement, something that generates
Speaker 4: clicks and to make money in fame eventually. If it's Gary,
Speaker 4: then it is the shavings of a lunatic, dumb pedophile
Speaker 4: that is looking for attention. My instinct from the start
Speaker 4: is that it is a warning, a politically fueled and
Speaker 4: hateful warning about children being abused, either by famous people
Speaker 4: or by people that were made famous by that kind
Speaker 4: of abuse. Sad Satan nearly works as a harsh and
Speaker 4: dark reminder to keep an eye out for the innocent,
Speaker 4: especially at the hands of beloved individuals. The game feels
Speaker 4: like a statement, a horror game for the uninformed about
Speaker 4: the innocent. I'd be the first to admit that I'm
Speaker 4: probably given this game way too much credit. But if
Speaker 4: a horror game, if a horror game is meant to
Speaker 4: scare you, then maybe Sad Satan did its job. It
Speaker 4: is a horror game, after all. Now, moving on, a
Speaker 4: question that often comes up when where about Sad Satan
Speaker 4: is that where did it get its name?
Speaker 3: Oh? Good, yeah, okay, this is a.
Speaker 4: Fun aspect to the story. So quote the game. Sad
Speaker 4: Satan apparently gets its name from the second or so
Speaker 4: of audio that loops over and over doing sections of
Speaker 4: the game. A backward clip led from led Zeppelin Stairway
Speaker 4: to Heaven. Uh huh. Supposedly, when played in reverse, one
Speaker 4: section of the song contains hidden messages in worship of Satan.
Speaker 4: Now Here is that loop from the game that comes
Speaker 4: from a famous led Zeppelin conspiracy long known before Sad Satan.
Speaker 4: I won't play the whole song in its original form
Speaker 4: or that part anyway, but the lyrics are as follows.
Speaker 4: This is when it's played normally. If there's a bustle
Speaker 4: in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed. Now, it's just a
Speaker 4: spring clean for the may Queen. Yes, there are two
Speaker 4: paths you can go by, but in the long run
Speaker 4: there's In the long run, there's still time to change
Speaker 4: the road you're on. Let's play that clip in reverse
Speaker 4: and see if you catch the section it's towards the
Speaker 4: end that's in the game. I know it's weird. Now
Speaker 4: Here is how they are interpreted. Quote I got this
Speaker 4: from an article. Quote. Oh, here's a sorry. There's this
Speaker 4: transcription of what you just heard. Making sure Oh, here's
Speaker 4: to my sweet Satan, the one whose little path would
Speaker 4: make me sad, whose power is Satan, he will give
Speaker 4: those with him six six six Yeah yeah you heard that. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 4: there was a little tool shed where he made us
Speaker 4: suffer sad Satan unquote. That's what that's saying.
Speaker 3: Fucking fucked up right now, dude. I'm cleared head to toe,
Speaker 3: hair is standing up the That's all I wanted I heard.
Speaker 3: I would say seventy five percent what you just read
Speaker 3: I heard in that Badmaster.
Speaker 4: It is pretty legible. It's not like it's not a
Speaker 4: big leap to go there with this song.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Now, Also, there's a further connection with history here because
Speaker 4: who's the.
Speaker 3: Lead guy in that one, Robert Plant?
Speaker 4: I think it's him, one of them, one of the
Speaker 4: main guys, if not him, famously dated a fourteen year
Speaker 4: old girl. No, yeah, I think he married one or
Speaker 4: something like very young and it was more allowed because
Speaker 4: it was a seventies not allowed, but you know what
Speaker 4: I mean. Uh yeah, So, like the connection is there
Speaker 4: beyond just having a cool name from a reverse song.
Speaker 3: So what the fuck? I didn't know Robert Plant dated
Speaker 3: a fourteen year old?
Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I mean that happens a lot. We just
Speaker 4: I just heard about Neil Gaiman, remember how things came
Speaker 4: up just now Neil Gaiman, Yeah, the author, Yeah, the
Speaker 4: other All these allegations are coming outgainst him right now.
Speaker 4: I know. I love his books. I do too, I
Speaker 4: like the I love all Nanci boys.
Speaker 3: What was the HBO show.
Speaker 4: American Gods American Gods the Stars? And then he also
Speaker 4: did good Omens on Prime And then there was that
Speaker 4: that Netflix one that's better I forgot the name of it.
Speaker 4: Sandman anyway, I.
Speaker 3: Don't want to go down.
Speaker 4: Yeah, sorry, we'll get to that minute. I know now, Yeah,
Speaker 4: I know. We're discovering as a real time folks. Anyway,
Speaker 4: So that's the portion of the thing about where the
Speaker 4: title comes from.
Speaker 3: That's crazy.
Speaker 4: It is clear, clear as day, super clear as day.
Speaker 4: Shed I heard it all, so I know we're almost
Speaker 4: one though.
Speaker 3: No good, I want us to keep going. I love this.
Speaker 4: So we are now moving on from that because there's
Speaker 4: no more to that title really.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 4: We mentioned that this story was part of another story
Speaker 4: released as a bonus episode in the past. Major parts
Speaker 4: of this story has been rewritten and a couple of
Speaker 4: things added, and other things omitted from the original. I
Speaker 4: did discover something that no one else has even brought
Speaker 4: up online regarding the Sad Satan conspiracy. Unfortunately, I could
Speaker 4: not find a way to confirm it, but it gave
Speaker 4: me more than a moment's pause, and I feel I
Speaker 4: must share it. It's about the titling. I don't mean
Speaker 4: where the title came from. We just went through that.
Speaker 4: It's pretty obvious, but more about why the word sad
Speaker 4: is in there. It's more than alliteration. Remember when I
Speaker 4: gave the background on Gary Graves and how two years
Speaker 4: prior to Sad Satan being discovered, he had his own
Speaker 4: YouTube channel under scare Bear. In that channel, he posted
Speaker 4: a video that again is available in the show notes,
Speaker 4: titled Sad Sad Satan two sads. This alone, while odd,
Speaker 4: is nothing special. Two months ago, in real life here
Speaker 4: I came across this movie called Red Rooms.
Speaker 3: We just watched it tonight.
Speaker 4: We watched it tonight.
Speaker 3: We just watched it tonight.
Speaker 4: Shut up.
Speaker 3: Oh great, then great, you're gonna literally just watch it.
Speaker 4: You're gonna be on ago, You're gonna be honest. Then
Speaker 4: it's a great mystery thriller about trial of the Century
Speaker 4: and a woman that's obsessed with the killer and the crimes.
Speaker 4: The guy supposedly we don't know, but allegedly maybe raped, tortured,
Speaker 4: and killed two teenage women while streaming it live on
Speaker 4: the dark web. The Red Room's right. The movie is
Speaker 4: great in my opinion, and part of what people gave
Speaker 4: it credit for is having a realistic outlook into the
Speaker 4: dark web and the uses of bitcoin currency and how
Speaker 4: it is often used for illegal means like those murders.
Speaker 4: Slight spoilers for Red Rooms, but at some point, the
Speaker 4: main character, who is proficient in the online underworld, she's
Speaker 4: like a hacker, gets on an auction site to buy
Speaker 4: the footage of the killing of one of the teenage girls.
Speaker 4: There's a countdown to the auction starting, and the page
Speaker 4: looks like the screenshot I took, and it's now in
Speaker 4: the show notes. It is a red and black image
Speaker 4: of a young girl and at the top it says
Speaker 4: thirteen year old Camille sad sad night. So this piqued
Speaker 4: my interest because the only other time I've ever seen
Speaker 4: the word sad use that way as a title anyway,
Speaker 4: is with Sad Satan, particularly Gary Graves YouTube video Sad
Speaker 4: Sad Satan. What does this fictional movie and this pedophile
Speaker 4: creep have in common? Well, if Red Rooms is well
Speaker 4: regarded for its accuracy into the dark web and then
Speaker 4: nefarious activities that occur, did they depict something real with
Speaker 4: Sad Sad Night? Gary certainly must have dipped his toes
Speaker 4: into the dark web, since he could be responsible for
Speaker 4: making an illegal version of Sad Satan, or at least
Speaker 4: finding it. Do pedophiles recognize Sad Sad titling on the
Speaker 4: dark web like something for them to look at? Like
Speaker 4: gizz Yeah, yeah, I was about I said, that is
Speaker 4: it their new version of the whole Pizza Manu thing
Speaker 4: or the McCary thing? Exactly right? Like I said, I
Speaker 4: could not confirm this whatso harbor, but man, it feels right.
Speaker 3: That is wild. Yeah, that's right, said I just watched this.
Speaker 4: That's great. That's a really good timing.
Speaker 3: Neil has a Sad Sad Night or something? Who is
Speaker 3: that a flag for other PDFs?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Pdf?
Speaker 4: Nice?
Speaker 3: Uh fuck, that's that's a crazy coincidence there. It is
Speaker 3: almost feels like it's two coincidental.
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe right, I don't know. They're obviously years and
Speaker 4: years apart.
Speaker 3: I would look into that director.
Speaker 4: Maybe I did a little bit. I just couldn't find anything.
Speaker 4: I just couldn't. I don't know nothing, nothing told me
Speaker 4: anything like I could confirm it. I don't know, you know,
Speaker 4: but what a what an angle to come up with, right.
Speaker 3: It just came up really interesting.
Speaker 4: Good thing I remember that movie. Now here's the final bit.
Speaker 4: The way the game ends is as dark as the
Speaker 4: rest of it. After a while, you come across a
Speaker 4: room that you've seen earlier, which happens to be a
Speaker 4: mass burial room. This time there's children standing in a
Speaker 4: circle around you, including that little girl I mentioned before.
Speaker 4: You continue your journey and you find that girl again
Speaker 4: alone in a hallway. This time she does see you
Speaker 4: and begins hurting you and chasing you as you run.
Speaker 4: You take enough damage and you die. Since the game
Speaker 4: offers no way to defend yourself or heal yourself, kind
Speaker 4: of like a revenge for maybe being the adult in
Speaker 4: a place where children have suffered. Does that imply that
Speaker 4: the character you play is an abuser? Who can say?
Speaker 3: It? Certainly sounds like it, And the little girl finally
Speaker 3: gets revenge. Now, this is the little girl that has that.
Speaker 4: Horrible se yes, oh god, yeah, it.
Speaker 3: Certainly does feel like that you are the aggressor, you
Speaker 3: are the abuse her, and the victim finally gets her revenge,
Speaker 3: which kind of puts a whole new different twist or
Speaker 3: a light on that the game. Yeah, it's fucked up.
Speaker 3: But at the end, do the victims prevail? Is it
Speaker 3: a positive?
Speaker 4: I don't know who could say? Who could say? Man,
Speaker 4: that's what I got.
Speaker 3: Sad satan? What a what an interesting topic?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it not to be a really fun, really fun,
Speaker 4: obviously completely bullshit also kind of story, but it's a
Speaker 4: lot of stuff in it.
Speaker 3: There really is, And yeah, just check the show notes
Speaker 3: to see, uh, to see some fucked up shit.
Speaker 4: Yeah, use that clip of the screaming as your RINGTEL
Speaker 4: find with that.
Speaker 3: I want it directly, we were saying when you let
Speaker 3: me listen, because I mean, I feel bad for Oscar
Speaker 3: because oh no, every clip you heard I would listen
Speaker 3: to as we're recording.
Speaker 4: Because I wanted fresh for you, you know, I wanted
Speaker 4: you to have a real time.
Speaker 3: No, I appreciate it, but now you've got to edit
Speaker 3: all that out to make it seamless. So I feel bad,
Speaker 3: But yeah, you're letting me listen to those those clips
Speaker 3: as we're recording here, and yeah, it's hard to listen
Speaker 3: to It's hard to listen to the Led Zeppelin stuff.
Speaker 3: Love it right, love that.
Speaker 4: I've never been a huge Zeppelin fan, but I don't
Speaker 4: have that connection to Zeppelin. But there's still a big thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: for sure, I definitely.
Speaker 3: Know them, especially I mean stereoid to hea It.
Speaker 4: I mean, that's the biggest song, one of the iconic songs,
Speaker 4: top ten of all time for a lot of people, right,
Speaker 4: you know, so you could take a poll on that.
Speaker 3: And that shit was clear as day.
Speaker 4: So it's hard to say, like obviously what you think.
Speaker 4: You know, there's no end of that cap for this,
Speaker 4: there's no solution. We don't know who the author is.
Speaker 4: We'll never know. Probably it's also probably not that important.
Speaker 4: It looks more like a cheap stunt that happened to
Speaker 4: be fun to research, and it has a lot of
Speaker 4: interesting connections of crime and debauchery and conspiracy that we
Speaker 4: love to enlighten here. So I don't think it's like
Speaker 4: we lose or gain anything from this, you know. No,
Speaker 4: it's like personally, if another one comes up, then we
Speaker 4: can rehash this. But otherwise put it in the bed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 4: Moving on to the next episode exactly.
Speaker 3: And I mean that that's what we like to.
Speaker 4: I mean, we have drones to worry about. Here another
Speaker 4: thing too, we have we have bigger fish to fry.
Speaker 3: Okay, but we research what what's fun withhn't?
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: Some some you like, some you don't like. It's okay.
Speaker 3: There'll be a next episode next month, another episode next month.
Speaker 3: So no, good job, thank you. I hope I hope
Speaker 3: the listeners like it.
Speaker 4: I hope so too.
Speaker 3: I liked it. I like this whiskey.
Speaker 4: Me too, Man, I really love this whiske. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: startdrinking at it right now.
Speaker 3: And maybe on the outtakes we'll talk about red rooms
Speaker 3: for a little bit.
Speaker 4: Yes, let's do that.
Speaker 3: Are we done?
Speaker 4: Are we done? Should I take you Jay? Take us home?
Speaker 3: I am taking you home.
Speaker 4: I just mean it's shady. I just it just felt shady.
Speaker 4: I didn't actually smell anything. I didn't smell anything. I
Speaker 4: couldn't tell anything. Nothing was ticking or whatever, you.
Speaker 3: Know, so nothing was sticky. Thank god.
Speaker 4: All right, that's the That's what I was looking for,
Speaker 4: because modern bombs do be ticking.
Speaker 3: No, I wanted to. There's a QR code on this
Speaker 3: bourbon nosing thing, and I downloaded an app and it's
Speaker 3: like a trial.
Speaker 4: It's oh, that's so annoying. I already I already hate
Speaker 4: this gift. I everything. I want nothing to do with it.
Speaker 4: What do you remember about that old show? I mean
Speaker 4: the sad saying. Do you remember things about it?
Speaker 3: I remember screaming.
Speaker 4: Everyone remembers that.
Speaker 3: That's definitely answered. I remember this.
Speaker 4: That's definitely in there. Don't worry, stop worrying, it's in there.
Speaker 3: How many times I have to tell you it's in there?
Speaker 4: I got that been recording. You sound good, Actually say
Speaker 4: something else to make sure.
Speaker 3: Some of these smells aren't smelling in this bourbon nosing kit.
Speaker 4: I do immediately regrad asking you to talk.
Speaker 3: Because it's wrapped, unlapped. It that one is wrapped.
Speaker 4: The lens cap was on.
Speaker 3: Could you hear me? Okay? Right, Devanilla smells good.
Speaker 4: First, before I tell you that, I have to tell
Speaker 4: you the story of what my roommate and I got
Speaker 4: each other, because on Christmas. You know this, how nerd
Speaker 4: we are? We have a Google doctor. We can both see.
Speaker 3: Shut the fuck up. Why are you laughing. It's supposed
Speaker 3: to be Christmas making.
Speaker 4: Hold on, you'll like this. You you said you have
Speaker 4: a prime wishless account that your wife watched the thing.
Speaker 3: So so yeah, it's it's not meant for Christmas. It's
Speaker 3: meant to put things in there that I want to
Speaker 3: get it.
Speaker 4: Then I take it back.
Speaker 3: I want to get an arcade down here. Cool. I
Speaker 3: found an arcade on Amazon are often put it is.
Speaker 3: It's a little bit smaller than an actual arcade, but
Speaker 3: still well, yes, because it has like Mortal all the
Speaker 3: Mortal Kombat's down there in a couple other games.
Speaker 4: Yeah, when you go to the story, you just have
Speaker 4: to measure with your.
Speaker 3: Hyd right, it's a Jason height.
Speaker 4: Sorry, I just went there because you said something. Anyway,
Speaker 4: So we have the Google doc where in different tiers,
Speaker 4: so from you know, up to twenty five dollars Lego sets,
Speaker 4: and then from twenty five to fifty that we want,
Speaker 4: mind you, and then fifty to seventy five, seventy five
Speaker 4: to one hundred and then one hundred plus and one
Speaker 4: hundred plus could be up to whatever the most expensive onness,
Speaker 4: and on Christmas we get each other a set in
Speaker 4: the one before the light of the final one, so
Speaker 4: seventy five to one hundred range. And we have a
Speaker 4: like I said, we have a list, I pick one,
Speaker 4: and she doesn't want I'm picking. She picked something. I
Speaker 4: don't know what she's picking. She picked the Bumblebee Transformers
Speaker 4: one for me.
Speaker 3: Remember you mentioned that.
Speaker 4: She gave that to me, But my mom also got
Speaker 4: me that on Christmas, so obviously the wires were crossed there.
Speaker 4: So what I ended up doing is that it's just
Speaker 4: not to be great because I went to Schomberg to
Speaker 4: the Lego store there in Woodfield, sorry, and I went
Speaker 4: there to return it and exchange it and see what
Speaker 4: I can find for thirty dollars more. At that time,
Speaker 4: I was able to get a set that is discontinued
Speaker 4: online already, So it's the Icons Disney's Villain Villain set.
Speaker 4: It's like all the villain stuff. So it was like
Speaker 4: a VHS version of Aladdin Jafar and then Ursula with
Speaker 4: her thing and they aloisoned Apple from It's like all it.
Speaker 4: It made to look like a bookshelf. It's like this high.
Speaker 4: It's pretty good.
Speaker 3: Did you do a build on TikTok No?
Speaker 4: I haven't done that yet yet. No, not yet. I'm
Speaker 4: doing I'm doing like three others. I'm doing the bumb
Speaker 4: movie right now. I'm shooting that, I'm shooting all these
Speaker 4: other things. But yes, I think it's all bullshit. I
Speaker 4: think it's I think it's fake. Everything on TikTok is
Speaker 4: fucking fake or ai you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: I said, get rid of it. I don't think there's
Speaker 3: any point to it. Get rid of it.
Speaker 4: So legit. You're both right and wrong in the sense
Speaker 4: the right and everything is said. You're right, I'm sure
Speaker 4: you are. What you're wrong in is that you are
Speaker 4: being completely guided to have very specific types of videos
Speaker 4: pop up on your feed. You are. I get very different.
Speaker 4: I see a lot of other people's feed. They get
Speaker 4: a lot of weird shit. I don't get that. I
Speaker 4: get a lot of cute fucking.
Speaker 3: Cat videos really, Oh no, not me.
Speaker 4: I get a lot of cue animals. I also get
Speaker 4: a lot of like real nature stuff like blinds attacking zebos.
Speaker 4: I also get a lot of like engineering degree stuff
Speaker 4: that I looked up before, just randomly on some of
Speaker 4: them that look really interesting. They're real as far as
Speaker 4: I know. So yeah, I get very different things.
Speaker 3: Than you do. So what is it. Do you think
Speaker 3: it's taking because I use Jason Knight, So do you
Speaker 3: think it literally searched my name, found the Supernatural Current
Speaker 3: Studies podcast and.
Speaker 4: Put your age in. Yeah. Also the fact that you're
Speaker 4: you know, the way you talk about it, you probably
Speaker 4: mentioned your disdain for TikTok, maybe has immediately pagaged some
Speaker 4: sort of anti culture kind of old man. I don't know,
Speaker 4: I don't know what it's doing. I'm just saying that
Speaker 4: you're right, but you're also wrong.
Speaker 3: No, I get it, And I know there's people who
Speaker 3: make a living out there and stuff.
Speaker 4: Like oh yeah, I mean I also post. I mean,
Speaker 4: I you know, they say a thing like one person
Speaker 4: tried this out and I looked up her account. It
Speaker 4: it was real. I don't know if what she said
Speaker 4: was real, because you don't know for sure either, but
Speaker 4: what she said is that there's like a saying that
Speaker 4: if you post every day, no matter what on TikTok,
Speaker 4: you can generate income. Almost it doesn't matter what you're posting,
Speaker 4: because that's all inconsequential. Fame on TikTok is or fame
Speaker 4: online is it's so inconsequential. We've lamented in the years
Speaker 4: of doing this show where we see like how did
Speaker 4: this guy make millions of dollars? All he does is
Speaker 4: talk about action figure, you know, I mean, like, how
Speaker 4: does that happen? Like, because it's all in a weird,
Speaker 4: random vacuum. You don't know what's going to blow up
Speaker 4: or when with who. Nobody can ever predict that, right,
Speaker 4: so that that same applies to TikTok. But it's all
Speaker 4: this One girl said, like, you know, she heard if
Speaker 4: you apply every or make a video every day and
Speaker 4: post it one to day, you can generate some money.
Speaker 4: And she did. She did say, like, yes, I did
Speaker 4: actually make some money. It just didn't make nothing to
Speaker 4: live on, nothing, nothing like that at all. But like
Speaker 4: there is something to that, but not exactly the way
Speaker 4: people are saying either, because obviously people will be doing
Speaker 4: it more often.
Speaker 3: Interesting.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so's it's hard to it's hard to make sense
Speaker 4: of it. I get it.
Speaker 3: I just remember so many times that Talia came to
Speaker 3: me or Nico came to me now now Nico and
Speaker 3: asked me about stuff that they saw on TikTok, Like, Dad,
Speaker 3: is this real? Do you think it's true?
Speaker 4: Is there you can you think of an example that
Speaker 4: something that's blatantly falls that they thought was true.
Speaker 3: It's been, it's been. It's been a while. But no,
Speaker 3: I can't.
Speaker 4: But you let them on it, right I do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Nico's is monitored. Talia's, I mean she's sixteen, you know,
Speaker 3: Katie still she watches. But is that really good?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: They taste like think about pancakes with butter and syrup.
Speaker 3: That's what that tastes like to me.
Speaker 4: I can see some of that they did good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just blatant bullshit stuff And do you think it's real?
Speaker 3: Don't believe it? Don't believe that? Ship.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the downside of you know, we talked about
Speaker 4: how technology or certain parts of technology like your phone
Speaker 4: or whatever, is an extension of Nico's body and he
Speaker 4: can use it much better. This is also the downside
Speaker 4: of that, is that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but of of course when I and when I
Speaker 3: pick up TikTok, he gets banned, So there you go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that dude, that's the first thing I thought of
Speaker 4: was you. I almost texted you and stuff, and like,
Speaker 4: what the fuck did you do? Jay? You call the
Speaker 4: get off elon Commission and fucking I don't know that's
Speaker 4: what you see. You started fucking what do you call it?
Speaker 4: Oh man, what is that political thing where people give
Speaker 4: money to congressman bobbying? You start a lobbying for it.
Speaker 4: I can think of the word here.
Speaker 3: Let's let's just just for the S, S and G.
Speaker 3: It's just two seconds. Let's see what is it? My
Speaker 3: fee cop tries to arrest undercover FBI agent. This motherfucker
Speaker 3: is not an FBI agent. Okay, it's all bullshit.
Speaker 4: I've seen those before first missions.
Speaker 3: So the aliens have landed in the golf of Mexico. Yet, no,
Speaker 3: they didn't. They did not land in the golf of Mexico.
Speaker 1: Shut up, everybody, language, we studying it.
Speaker 3: Okay, maybe that guy's Are these UFOs proof that we're
Speaker 3: in a simulation? No, we're not in a fucking simulation.
Speaker 3: And it's really questionable if there's UFOs now, large organic
Speaker 3: mothership at Walmart oscar tracking at the end, this is
Speaker 3: a large organic mothership at Walmart. It's not. It's bullshit. Okay,
Speaker 3: so bullshit? Oh is this the age one?
Speaker 1: Now?
Speaker 4: Wait, wait, hold on, wait, I'm gonna fay with on
Speaker 4: my I'm not show you that someone who uses the phrase,
Speaker 4: it is what it is. Trust me, they are dangerous.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's not Matthew McConney saying that it's AI. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's bullshit, of course, bullshit.
Speaker 4: Now, by the way, all of this is originated, and
Speaker 4: there's a lot more on Facebook. By the way, all
Speaker 4: this is on there too.
Speaker 3: Is it really? Oh yeah, worse than this?
Speaker 4: About the same, I would say, so, I look, maybe
Speaker 4: not worse, but about the same.
Speaker 3: Ten videos. I would bet my life seven of them
Speaker 3: were fake.
Speaker 4: Here's mine. It's just so much different. I mean some
Speaker 4: of that is in here too, but not much.
Speaker 3: So it's just TikTok or Facebook gen X.
Speaker 4: This is a skit gen X in nineteen ninety five
Speaker 4: about comparisons of generations. So it's just funny. I'm not
Speaker 4: which I know obviously that's trying to add for sabanth Bro.
Speaker 3: We watched the first episode tonight.
Speaker 4: I saw it at three in the morning. Fuck you're crazy, No,
Speaker 4: you're crazy. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Another skit,
Speaker 4: I'm dealing with a bipolar man. Another podcast of two
Speaker 4: guys talking about funny shit, like they just do snippets
Speaker 4: from their shows. There our seven billion people in the world. Everyone,
Speaker 4: this is a show. This is a scampana show, not
Speaker 4: a news article, TV show or a movie they're promoting.
Speaker 4: I know it is because just describing a movie family
Speaker 4: guy skid.
Speaker 3: Okay, I get it.
Speaker 4: I don't get anything like fake news.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's interesting, man, yea, we should do something on
Speaker 3: that because that's interesting.
Speaker 4: We've done the algorithm chats before.
Speaker 3: Well no, did we know? No?
Speaker 4: Not like not like whenmember we talked about like, oh,
Speaker 4: let's see if we can summon our own product placement
Speaker 4: by mentioning. That's like what we did. Okay, it didn't
Speaker 4: work out. I don't think we never touched back, but
Speaker 4: never did. It's right, but you remember, you're right, that
Speaker 4: was but it wasn't like a real in depth thing. Also,
Speaker 4: what did you hate about sevens?
Speaker 3: Dude? It's just one of those shows.
Speaker 4: It just it just came back. I mean, how do
Speaker 4: you know you're gonna hate it?
Speaker 3: You have to watch it because I could tell already
Speaker 3: that it's gonna be one of those shows, just like
Speaker 3: the first season where it's just gonna leave you hanging.
Speaker 3: It's just gonna leave you hanging. It's gonna get stranger
Speaker 3: and stranger, and you're gonna begging for answers.
Speaker 4: Never I guarantee, well no, I mean, I mean yes,
Speaker 4: but like it's a puzzle show. What did you expect
Speaker 4: answers some answers. Wait, Wait, first of all, I mean
Speaker 4: I don't have the wherewithal right now to give you
Speaker 4: a point by point thank I would.
Speaker 3: You got to catch up. There's because even we.
Speaker 4: Were well no, I saw the first episod.
Speaker 3: We were hooked.
Speaker 4: I saw the first episode.
Speaker 3: No, no, you got to catch up from the last season, Like,
Speaker 3: do you remember everything that happened the last season?
Speaker 4: I saw it last week.
Speaker 3: Well, Katy and I were looking at the whole thing
Speaker 3: when we saw the recap, We're like, I don't remember
Speaker 3: any of this. You know, Oh I did so. And
Speaker 3: then you know this first one fucking completely off the wall, weird.
Speaker 4: Like it's always been that weird.
Speaker 3: I like off the wall and weird as long as
Speaker 3: I know there's a payoff coming there. And I know
Speaker 3: there is no payoff coming, dude, I either guarantee it.
Speaker 3: Let's let's let's do a friendly wager. I don't know,
Speaker 3: well I don't.
Speaker 4: I mean, if you're sad to hate something, and then
Speaker 4: the wager and if two of them saying, if you're
Speaker 4: the wager is that you're gonna not hate it by them,
Speaker 4: I mean you, that's up to you.
Speaker 3: My wager is there's gonna be no payoff.
Speaker 4: Oh I mean okay. First of all, I die again.
Speaker 4: I don't have all the information I had to give
Speaker 4: you a point by point thing. I would love to.
Speaker 4: But I know for a fact that half the mysteries
Speaker 4: of this first season were solved in the first season.
Speaker 4: It's just that they then ask more questions based on
Speaker 4: the answers they give you, and I think that's what
Speaker 4: a good puzzle box is. They increase the world. They
Speaker 4: expanded as it goes along. I just saw the season
Speaker 4: finale of Silo season two. That's another puzzle box show
Speaker 4: and sci fi. It's it's awesome. I love it. I
Speaker 4: was so worried everything hind you in the last episode,
Speaker 4: because that's how they are. Puzzle boxes always hand on
Speaker 4: the left final episode, and I thought, I did wonderful.
Speaker 4: What it did is it opened up the world further.
Speaker 4: But almost all the questions I had about some of
Speaker 4: the stuff, not everything, because they can't answer everything. Yeah,
Speaker 4: was explained, was answered, and that's that's how Severn's felt
Speaker 4: to me in season one. But again, I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, maybe wait, maybe, maybe wait until the season's
Speaker 4: over and then try watching a few more and that
Speaker 4: wait week by week, and maybe maybe that would be
Speaker 4: more enjoyable for me, for you, it could, because puzzle
Speaker 4: boxes are hard.
Speaker 3: We're not going to stop. Yeah, but I could already.
Speaker 3: I just I have a feeling.
Speaker 4: It's just that it's way too early for me to
Speaker 4: say this sucks. This season sucks. It's way too early
Speaker 4: for me.
Speaker 3: Yeah. No, you're right, You're right.
Speaker 4: So that's just my opinion. But I hope you get
Speaker 4: back into it because I'm not like afraid from it
Speaker 4: at all. I'm like, I want to see what's next. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I saw the episode. I saw what Mark did. I
Speaker 4: think a lot of I think a lot of people
Speaker 4: are lying to his face. The whole Helly thing. That
Speaker 4: was a wonderful angle. I did not see the coming.
Speaker 4: Is it actually Helly? Is it is it? Has it
Speaker 4: been any Helly or Audi Helly? Like like, I don't
Speaker 4: think we've been seeing Helly this episode, you know. I'm saying, like,
Speaker 4: there's so many great ways you can think about it.
Speaker 4: I can't wait to find out what happens, like, I
Speaker 4: think that answer will get by in the season.
Speaker 3: Did we find out an episode season in season one
Speaker 3: that Patricia Arquet was his wife?
Speaker 4: No? No, patrillar Hare was no one's wife.
Speaker 3: They said it was his wife in this episode the
Speaker 3: first episode of season two.
Speaker 4: Who said that.
Speaker 3: When one of the characters whose wife No, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that Patricia the first Cobell Cobell, Yeah, Cobell was Remember
Speaker 3: Cobel kind of had a she had this weird thing
Speaker 3: going for him.
Speaker 4: No one said that. What you talk about that scene
Speaker 4: when Milchak talks to Mark, is that what you're talking about,
Speaker 4: like when he's in charge, she's new to the office,
Speaker 4: he's at the old Cobel office. Then he's talking about
Speaker 4: how he's basically him and Luman are distance and of
Speaker 4: the South. I'm putting all the blame on Cobel of
Speaker 4: what happened. They're going to pull everything on her because
Speaker 4: she just got fired and she's crazy and no one
Speaker 4: knew that she was so involved in Mark's asse's real life, right.
Speaker 3: Which becaulse didn't they say that was his wife though,
Speaker 3: that's why she was involved. I thought that's No one
Speaker 3: said that positive he looked at each other like what.
Speaker 4: No, no, no said Now Mark has mentioned his own wife,
Speaker 4: I think, but not Cobell. And he talked about how
Speaker 4: Cobell and Mark Iaudi knew each other because he was
Speaker 4: there at the party when he woke up in it
Speaker 4: last season. But that's it. There's no one. No one
Speaker 4: mentioned that there was that he's there related like that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know how to tell you it's didn't.
Speaker 4: I mean, I'll watch it again, but I am positive
Speaker 4: I didn't say that.
Speaker 3: Well, there was something with where we looked at each
Speaker 3: other like, wait, today.
Speaker 4: I think Cobet was going to come back. She has to.
Speaker 4: That's a big that's a big name. But like, I
Speaker 4: just don't think it'll come back in any way of
Speaker 4: saying like oh I was Marcasa's wife, sweet told and
Speaker 4: plus she was hurting his neighbor. Both versions of Mark
Speaker 4: don't like Colbell that way. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4: So there's no way that's true.
Speaker 3: Well, what do you think said? What do you think
Speaker 3: the company is?
Speaker 4: Oh? I think it's uh.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 4: First of all, I completely think it's a corporate thing.
Speaker 4: It's like it's like a gigantic corporate like Amazon, like
Speaker 4: any of those, like Elon Musk what's his name company? Tesla,
Speaker 4: like a Tesla type, right. I think it's like one
Speaker 4: of those, except that it's a it's a two big
Speaker 4: to fail type like Apple. And that add that to
Speaker 4: it is that they have this strange analogy. That's the
Speaker 4: two That's the only real difference between our real world
Speaker 4: and the real corporate gigantic people or companies is that
Speaker 4: they have attack that we don't have. As far as
Speaker 4: I know, that's the only difference. I think. The rest
Speaker 4: of it, it acts just like corporate, like the you know,
Speaker 4: you know, ever seen them, You've ever been to a
Speaker 4: job and a manager will tell you, like, we're like
Speaker 4: family here, right, Like everyone's like family, right, But they
Speaker 4: don't actually treat anyone like family. It's like it's like
Speaker 4: Lumann took that to heart, you know, and made it
Speaker 4: a cult for themselves. Like the way they think of themselves.
Speaker 4: They're so grandiose, so egotistical.
Speaker 3: What's the name of their god.
Speaker 4: Egan, Well that's the family name. Egan's the Egans. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 4: exact me. I've seen the first season three times and
Speaker 4: over the last year Wow. Yeah, I love that show.
Speaker 4: I've been on all the Reddit chats. I've been fucking
Speaker 4: speculating with everyone and it's been it's been fun.
Speaker 3: Did you see what they did in New York?
Speaker 4: Yes? I did. That showed me that. That's one of
Speaker 4: the first things when they opened, so like, yeah, it
Speaker 4: was pretty cool. I saw that in like four different
Speaker 4: angles which characters were doing it? All four?
Speaker 3: It was a four. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Are you
Speaker 3: ready for more? Oh?
Speaker 4: I will be dude. I love my favorite. One of
Speaker 4: my favorite parts of on the Helly reveal is who
Speaker 4: is I'm bad with the names? I know Mark Helly,
Speaker 4: Bert No Berths. Yeah, the guy with the glasses, the
Speaker 4: black guy in the group. Forget his name. I can't
Speaker 4: believe I forgot his name. Yes, when Milchik offered him
Speaker 4: to have family visits with his Audi family, Oh fuck?
Speaker 4: What does that mean? Is that real? Are they gonna
Speaker 4: be anymatronic? I don't believe any of that, you know,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's right? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 4: And my point is they just got me excited for more.
Speaker 3: So No, that's good. What was the big Helly reveal? Again?
Speaker 4: The reveal is that when they're all sharing what actually
Speaker 4: happened when they're when they when they visited their audis,
Speaker 4: she lied completely. She's like, I was in an apartment
Speaker 4: all by myself, that's right. Obviously not so either. They
Speaker 4: tortured her to convince her to fly for Lumen and
Speaker 4: not tell them that she's an Egan or it's actually Egan.
Speaker 4: It's actually Helen not Helly. Oh that's what I think.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 4: I don't know, because what what did happen to her?
Speaker 4: When she remember she woke up in the body of
Speaker 4: an Egan? She turned out she was one of the Egans.
Speaker 4: She's literally going to be the next CEO of Lumen.
Speaker 3: Don't even remember that?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, that was the last episode in the season.
Speaker 3: Yes, we both of us didn't.
Speaker 4: The whole thing ended with them being The whole episode
Speaker 4: was an entire episode where three of the four were
Speaker 4: living their audis lives and their whole purpose was to
Speaker 4: let people know that they're being tortured down in the
Speaker 4: seventh floor. That's the whole thing they went to do.
Speaker 4: They did this heist where they they you know, they
Speaker 4: got themselves free for forty five minutes or whatever it was.
Speaker 4: And Helly turned out to be the CEO's daughter of Lumen,
Speaker 4: and she went up to talk to all these people
Speaker 4: and some sort of grand gala thing that she was
Speaker 4: a part of. Oh I do remember, because she participated
Speaker 4: in the seventh program to make up like, oh, we
Speaker 4: see how safe it is. The next CEO is gonna
Speaker 4: be in it. You know, it's gonna sever herself. That's
Speaker 4: how wholesome and normal we are, you know, right. But
Speaker 4: it's all fake, of course, because obviously she is tortured
Speaker 4: down there. Helly hates herself. She try to kill herself, right,
Speaker 4: And so when she goes up there as Helly in
Speaker 4: front of all the cameras and all those people she
Speaker 4: starts telling, she just yells out like, hey, we're being
Speaker 4: tortured down there. It's not a great help us.
Speaker 3: I gotta go back.
Speaker 4: That's how it ended. That's why. Yeah, when she'd lied,
Speaker 4: I was like, fuck, you know.
Speaker 3: Got it.
Speaker 4: That's how I felt.
Speaker 3: And Katie was when they caught it. She looked at
Speaker 3: me and she's like, that didn't happen. She's lying, right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: So okay, I gotta go. I gotta go back and watch. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we're gonna stick with it. I'm gonna stick with it. Okay,
Speaker 3: what we thought?
Speaker 4: That's the point, you know, that is the point. We
Speaker 4: nailed it. That's why part of why I made my
Speaker 4: top ten and why I love the mood so much
Speaker 4: is because she susphins the entire time. You're not supposed
Speaker 4: to understand. No, you don't. She's implacable, dude, even up
Speaker 4: to her last decision. I don't know why she did it.
Speaker 3: I don't know that she did it either, but she
Speaker 3: did because our whole thing was, well, was she good
Speaker 3: or was she bad? You know? And we we don't
Speaker 3: know because like.
Speaker 4: My personal thing is that I think she had a
Speaker 4: fetish very specifically, you think she liked it. Part of
Speaker 4: the whole dressing up in the courtroom was that for me,
Speaker 4: that was a big for play, spending all that money,
Speaker 4: all of her money, she spent all of her money
Speaker 4: on that video.
Speaker 3: Well, okay a couple so, because that was her whole
Speaker 3: debate was was she good or was she bad?
Speaker 4: She also negleckted and just threw away her career for
Speaker 4: this too.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah gone. So Katie was like, no, she's good
Speaker 3: because she she bought the video, she got the proof,
Speaker 3: she put him in prison. I'm like, no, you're You're
Speaker 3: totally right. It seems like what she did, But why
Speaker 3: did she sit on that bed? Why did she go
Speaker 3: like this, take those photos like a fucking creep in
Speaker 3: that you know what I'm talking about in the third
Speaker 3: victim's bedroom.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: To me, that blew it out of the water.
Speaker 4: I think she I think she gets off on it.
Speaker 4: I think she's setting up all these pictures of herself
Speaker 4: and that and that in that specific spot, after what
Speaker 4: she did, after exactly what she saw. I think she
Speaker 4: has enough fapping material for the rest of her life,
Speaker 4: and I think she was doing it all for that.
Speaker 4: Now now that she was done, she's like, fuck this, God,
Speaker 4: don't need him anymore. Gives away the evidence. That's what
Speaker 4: I think she's doing.
Speaker 3: So she's bad. I do think she's so now going
Speaker 3: to the cody.
Speaker 4: By how coldly she also dismissed that other person. I mean,
Speaker 4: she tried to kind of be friends with her, but
Speaker 4: the bigger care she's very like sociopathic. Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3: Did you see she has arm pity here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's very French French, I know, disgusting French Canadian,
Speaker 4: but yeah.
Speaker 3: The courtroom thing.
Speaker 4: I didn't you know, you never minded my arm pit.
Speaker 3: Sorry, because when she was playing racquetball the first time,
Speaker 3: like is that arm put here? I don't know, Oh
Speaker 3: my god, and then she's like, oh, yeah it is.
Speaker 3: So when she was in the courtroom when she dressed
Speaker 3: like the little girl, I was into it because I'm like, Oh,
Speaker 3: she's trying to get she's trying to get a reaction.
Speaker 3: She's trying to show the jury a reaction to this
Speaker 3: this girl. She thought she was trying to I thought
Speaker 3: she was trying to elicit a response from the murderer
Speaker 3: so the jury will convict. That's what I thought. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: this is a good thing.
Speaker 4: I see, that's a good I think No, I was thinking.
Speaker 3: After the bed, I don't know if that was a
Speaker 3: good thing. Now. I think it's more what you're saying
Speaker 3: she was getting off undressing like this.
Speaker 4: I mean, I've never seen a movie explore the people
Speaker 4: that go and marry the serial killer once they're in jail.
Speaker 4: That's what we're watching, except this is a different version
Speaker 4: of it. So you just we never get the exploration
Speaker 4: before and a character like that, and it's the first
Speaker 4: movie that I've ever seen that do it because you
Speaker 4: never see their point of view.
Speaker 3: So you think she was in love with him, I
Speaker 3: think to.
Speaker 4: An extent, but in love with his actions, what he
Speaker 4: did and part of this and the fact that the
Speaker 4: scandal is like all over the country, it's also part
Speaker 4: of it. The fame of it too, it is probably
Speaker 4: part of it. That's what I think. I mean, everyone
Speaker 4: had their khame, but yeah, I mean she went to
Speaker 4: those extremes and the other girl was just completely just misguided.
Speaker 3: She's a groupie, like a group of.
Speaker 4: Misguided and she saw the video. She knew. Oh yeah,
Speaker 4: she knew. She left right away. She's like, okay, yeah
Speaker 4: he did it. This is saw the eyes right, those
Speaker 4: eyes and Angela no More.
Speaker 3: Walked or something. Yeah, the way he walked