WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:01.960 Welcome to my world. 2 00:00:02.319 --> 00:00:02.680 Bitch. 3 00:00:07.919 --> 00:00:10.320 Wow, god. 4 00:00:20.480 --> 00:00:31.160 Good here. 5 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:37.600 Welcome to the one hundred and sixty third episode of 6 00:00:37.640 --> 00:00:41.240 the Supernatural Current Studies podcast. 7 00:00:40.960 --> 00:00:43.000 So parenthetically Paranormal. 8 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.520 My name is Jason Knight, host of the show, and 9 00:00:46.600 --> 00:00:52.320 with me as always is Scarce bactor, producer, extraordinary and 10 00:00:52.439 --> 00:00:59.240 podcast co host. Well, Oscar, I have a story today. Wow, 11 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:01.640 you don't even get you even asking excited. You're not 12 00:01:01.679 --> 00:01:03.880 even asking, like, Hey, what's been going on? You're like, 13 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:05.920 I got a story, Get out of my way. 14 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:07.680 Okay, what is it? 15 00:01:07.719 --> 00:01:08.400 What's been going on? 16 00:01:08.480 --> 00:01:09.920 Nothing? Nothing? Don't you go ahead? 17 00:01:10.280 --> 00:01:12.760 Okay, you got to hear this, all right. So the 18 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:16.159 episode we released on January first, we said it in 19 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:18.480 that show. It was pre recorded, Yes it was. It 20 00:01:18.480 --> 00:01:21.200 was recorded a few days before Christmas. We went off 21 00:01:21.200 --> 00:01:21.879 and had ours. 22 00:01:21.920 --> 00:01:23.760 Never done a live show on this show. 23 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:26.239 No, we haven't. Oh we've done a watch party that 24 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:26.680 was live. 25 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:29.439 No, but it was did it did it stream live? 26 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:30.280 We streamed it? 27 00:01:30.719 --> 00:01:32.200 Oh? That was on twitch? 28 00:01:33.840 --> 00:01:36.040 Oh then yeah, I guess we streamed it. Oh then yeah, 29 00:01:36.040 --> 00:01:38.359 you're we did one. Okay, well we. 30 00:01:38.359 --> 00:01:40.159 Did two watch parties. I think did we did? We? 31 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:40.920 I don't remember that at all. 32 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:45.120 But one was Communion, and wasn't one the Exorcist. 33 00:01:45.959 --> 00:01:49.000 I remember Communion. I don't remember the Exciscist. 34 00:01:49.400 --> 00:01:51.760 Yeah, there's an episode out there somewhere of us live 35 00:01:52.439 --> 00:01:53.799 streaming the actress crazy. 36 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:54.879 I don't remember that at all. 37 00:01:55.040 --> 00:01:58.519 Yeah yeah, uh, well part What was my point? 38 00:01:58.879 --> 00:01:59.560 Do you have a story? 39 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:03.000 I haven't started drinking you. Oh so it was pre recorded, right? 40 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:05.920 It was before Christmas? We went off. We had our Christmas. 41 00:02:05.959 --> 00:02:08.199 Do you have a good Christmas? I had a good 42 00:02:08.280 --> 00:02:10.039 Christmas too? Do you have a good New Year? 43 00:02:10.439 --> 00:02:10.800 It was fun. 44 00:02:11.240 --> 00:02:14.199 I had a good New Year too. I was in Florida. 45 00:02:14.479 --> 00:02:17.560 You did send a picture. You said in that episode 46 00:02:17.560 --> 00:02:19.400 that you were going to send us a picture or 47 00:02:19.439 --> 00:02:23.479 send me a picture of your your escapades on ye Christmas. 48 00:02:23.479 --> 00:02:26.840 I think I still have New Year's Eve, your birthday, 49 00:02:27.280 --> 00:02:29.080 and you did it? Go to it. You did send 50 00:02:29.120 --> 00:02:29.400 it to me. 51 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:30.319 Oh, I did send it to you. 52 00:02:30.400 --> 00:02:32.159 I was pretty drunk. I'm like, what is this. 53 00:02:32.800 --> 00:02:33.960 I don't remember sending it to you. 54 00:02:33.960 --> 00:02:34.319 You did? 55 00:02:34.560 --> 00:02:36.520 Yeah, I did it. You did it because I was drunk. 56 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:38.360 So I don't want to waste too much time on this. 57 00:02:38.439 --> 00:02:40.800 But yeah, let me see, that's great that I sent 58 00:02:40.840 --> 00:02:42.280 it because I deleted it because. 59 00:02:42.080 --> 00:02:43.960 You're one of the people that I never delete text 60 00:02:43.960 --> 00:02:47.560 messages most people. I just I fucking deleted that was 61 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:47.800 it for. 62 00:02:47.879 --> 00:02:48.439 New Year's Eve? 63 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:50.919 And I wrote back, I'm like, bro, that's awesome. Love 64 00:02:50.919 --> 00:02:54.319 you man. There's some people. So you're okay doing something 65 00:02:54.960 --> 00:02:57.719 because remember you were telling your story how your your 66 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.680 tradition is to go out solo and find people, make 67 00:03:00.759 --> 00:03:03.199 friends the thing, and I complemented house. 68 00:03:02.960 --> 00:03:03.719 I did that. 69 00:03:03.719 --> 00:03:05.360 That's a great thing to do. And yeah, so you 70 00:03:05.639 --> 00:03:06.800 lived up to what you said you were going to 71 00:03:06.840 --> 00:03:08.360 do on that show. And you sent me a picture 72 00:03:08.360 --> 00:03:11.280 on Christmas Eve, New Year's Eve, right, New Year that 73 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:15.439 Christmas Eve? All right? So that brings us to the 74 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:16.479 actual Christmas Eve. 75 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:18.719 Okay, the actual timeline, the. 76 00:03:18.719 --> 00:03:20.840 Actual timeline Christmas Eve, because we haven't gotten on the 77 00:03:20.840 --> 00:03:27.520 MIC since Holidays. So there we are, me, Katie and 78 00:03:27.560 --> 00:03:31.080 the kids. We're coming home from my in law's house. 79 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:34.080 That's where we spent Christmas Eve at my in law's house. 80 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:40.520 We're driving through Kenosha, Wisconsin. It's a it's a small 81 00:03:40.520 --> 00:03:47.639 city between Chicago and Milliawaukee on two ninety four. Okay, yeah, 82 00:03:47.840 --> 00:03:51.800 it's a city, smaller city, on Tony four between Milwaukee 83 00:03:51.840 --> 00:03:56.879 and Chicago. So we're driving through Kenosh, Wisconsin. We're going 84 00:03:56.919 --> 00:04:04.000 down seventy fifth Street. Okay, we're heading east towards the lake. Okay, 85 00:04:04.479 --> 00:04:07.400 m hm, we're driving. We're driving. We're driving. All of 86 00:04:07.400 --> 00:04:10.960 a sudden, my wife is like, hey, what the fuck 87 00:04:11.000 --> 00:04:13.080 is that in the sky. I'm like, what are you 88 00:04:13.120 --> 00:04:15.400 talking about? I'm tired, Like I'm tired. 89 00:04:15.520 --> 00:04:16.680 Right, and you do all the driving. 90 00:04:16.800 --> 00:04:19.720 I do all the driving, you know. Uh. I think 91 00:04:19.720 --> 00:04:21.199 I had a few beers over there or whatever. So 92 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:23.160 I was just I wanted to get home. I just 93 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.040 wanted to get home enjoy the rest of the evening 94 00:04:25.120 --> 00:04:28.720 with the family. We get the kids pajamas on Christmas 95 00:04:28.759 --> 00:04:30.959 Eve and they open their pajamas and we watch a movie. Right, 96 00:04:30.959 --> 00:04:34.480 So I wanted to get home and do that. So 97 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.759 it's like, fuck is that in the sky? Like cold? 98 00:04:37.759 --> 00:04:39.480 Just stop? What are you talking about? She rolls her 99 00:04:39.519 --> 00:04:42.319 window down. I'm like, dude, it's cold. What are you doing? 100 00:04:42.360 --> 00:04:46.240 She's like already, she presses the button. 101 00:04:47.480 --> 00:04:56.000 Kids, ask your fucking grandparents. I'm sorry, why open yourself up? 102 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:56.480 Just such? 103 00:04:57.240 --> 00:05:03.079 Yeah, all right, see what do you say? She puts 104 00:05:03.120 --> 00:05:06.199 down the window yeah, she puts down the window. Right, 105 00:05:06.240 --> 00:05:08.000 So she puts down the window as I'm driving in 106 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:10.800 seventy fifth Street, you could go about fifty something. Yeah, 107 00:05:11.439 --> 00:05:14.600 so it's cold, and she starts sticking her phone out 108 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:17.560 of the window, and I'm like, the fuck are you doing? Man, 109 00:05:17.639 --> 00:05:20.839 She's like, look in the sky. So as I'm driving, 110 00:05:20.879 --> 00:05:22.040 you know, I'm doing that thing where I'm kind of 111 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:24.399 hunkering down and looking out the windshield as I'm trying 112 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:27.560 not to get into an accident. And in the back 113 00:05:27.600 --> 00:05:31.519 seat the kids are like, what is that. So sure enough, 114 00:05:32.000 --> 00:05:36.199 I see these lights in the sky and I'm like, wow, 115 00:05:36.240 --> 00:05:39.600 this is It's pretty strange because for one, they're really 116 00:05:39.759 --> 00:05:45.240 really bright. They're very bright, and they're coming out of 117 00:05:45.240 --> 00:05:49.560 the clouds, not from the ground up, They're coming straight 118 00:05:49.560 --> 00:05:53.279 out of the fucking clouds, and they're moving. Yes, so 119 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:55.560 you've seen so just so people know this video is 120 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:57.279 on YouTube, I'll link it in the show notes. 121 00:05:57.839 --> 00:05:58.680 Yeah, I just saw it. 122 00:05:59.040 --> 00:06:01.399 Yeah, and you said it looked like Foor or like. 123 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:03.959 Zeus coming from the clouds, like in the in the 124 00:06:04.160 --> 00:06:07.040 in the movie Hercules, like the way he material like 125 00:06:07.079 --> 00:06:08.839 comes from the clouds. You see the lights burst out 126 00:06:08.879 --> 00:06:12.240 first and then disappears in the sky like that's kind 127 00:06:12.240 --> 00:06:13.680 of a that's. 128 00:06:13.560 --> 00:06:16.800 What this was, that's what this is like. So I'm like, 129 00:06:16.839 --> 00:06:20.800 holy shit, I maneuver to like a side street or something, 130 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:25.079 and we parked the car. Now we're stationary and I'm 131 00:06:25.120 --> 00:06:27.399 filming up in the sky, and I think my wife 132 00:06:27.480 --> 00:06:29.560 described it best. She said, it looked like there were 133 00:06:29.639 --> 00:06:30.959 cars driving around up there. 134 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:33.439 It does look like thead lights. I was thinking, like 135 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:35.480 back to your future too, all the flying cars in 136 00:06:35.519 --> 00:06:38.759 that futuristic world, like is a highway up there, it's 137 00:06:38.759 --> 00:06:41.079 a super highway, and just as traffic up there, and 138 00:06:41.079 --> 00:06:43.600 you see all these headlights there was drizzing by, some 139 00:06:43.639 --> 00:06:46.399 more faster, some were slower, some states still it was 140 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.720 it was not there was no pattern that I could towel. 141 00:06:49.399 --> 00:06:51.360 In these lights and these lights from the sky. 142 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:52.560 Yeah. 143 00:06:51.879 --> 00:06:54.639 Right, So we pull over and we're sitting there watching 144 00:06:54.680 --> 00:06:56.480 this thing, and we're trying to come up with what 145 00:06:56.480 --> 00:06:59.439 could this be, Like we truly is a Santa Claus 146 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.439 and a closet there. It's Christmas Eve, and we're trying 147 00:07:03.480 --> 00:07:06.199 to come up with these excuses like oh, it's you 148 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:10.199 know one of those huge spotlights that new businesses or 149 00:07:10.279 --> 00:07:12.879 movie premieres. Right, they get these spotlights that and you 150 00:07:12.959 --> 00:07:14.199 see them go across the sky. 151 00:07:14.279 --> 00:07:17.040 There's like eight I would think that too, but it's 152 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:19.000 just I don't think it's that. It's like eight thirty 153 00:07:19.040 --> 00:07:20.839 and that's what put a spotlight in the middle of 154 00:07:20.839 --> 00:07:23.480 a cloud. I don't think that that's what's happening here. 155 00:07:23.519 --> 00:07:26.240 Oh that's my point. First, it's eight thirty on Christmas Eve. 156 00:07:26.279 --> 00:07:29.360 No business is advertising shit, right. Second of all, it's 157 00:07:29.399 --> 00:07:32.800 in Kenosha, Wisconsin. There's shit going on in Kenosha, Wisconsin. 158 00:07:33.680 --> 00:07:36.399 There were no sounds in the sky. It was silent. 159 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:40.399 I didn't hear like helicopter blades. I didn't hear jet engines, 160 00:07:40.439 --> 00:07:45.879 plain of it. Nothing. Okay, eight thirty everything shut down? 161 00:07:46.079 --> 00:07:48.439 What would be advertising? These lights were not coming from 162 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:51.000 the ground. They were coming from out of the clouds, right. 163 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:53.720 And the only thing that's explainable that isn't dally and 164 00:07:53.800 --> 00:07:57.240 I guess is drone or drones plural. 165 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:00.399 Drone or drones. They would have to be and listeners 166 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:05.040 check these lights. These lights, they're massive lights. They're incredibly 167 00:08:05.720 --> 00:08:09.519 big bright lights. Yeah, that would have to be an 168 00:08:09.519 --> 00:08:13.759 incredibly big multiple clouds drones. 169 00:08:13.560 --> 00:08:16.959 Way a lot. They don't look like they do, but 170 00:08:17.040 --> 00:08:19.560 they weigh a lot. It's not easy either to maneuver 171 00:08:19.600 --> 00:08:19.920 in there. 172 00:08:20.040 --> 00:08:22.199 I don't know, do you mean dense like dense? 173 00:08:23.519 --> 00:08:25.920 Yeah, I guess it's just water, right, I mean you 174 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:28.240 have to be pretty secure to be able to fly 175 00:08:28.319 --> 00:08:29.120 in there, right, I. 176 00:08:29.079 --> 00:08:30.680 Don't know what. I don't know what cloud. I don't 177 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:32.879 think they weigh anything because planes fly right through them. 178 00:08:33.159 --> 00:08:37.919 But dense clouds, they're thick, thick clouds, right. 179 00:08:37.840 --> 00:08:39.919 Like, Yeah, maybe there's something too of them. 180 00:08:40.000 --> 00:08:42.879 So thinking that if you're yeah, if you're driving down 181 00:08:42.879 --> 00:08:46.240 the highway or driving down a deserted road even and 182 00:08:46.279 --> 00:08:48.679 it's really foggy out and you put your brights on, 183 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:50.159 they tell you not to put your brights on, right, 184 00:08:50.200 --> 00:08:52.039 because when you put your brights on, that light goes 185 00:08:52.360 --> 00:08:54.159 right back into your eyes. Yeah, you can't flex off 186 00:08:54.159 --> 00:08:57.600 the dense wet moisture in those clouds right right. Fog 187 00:08:58.360 --> 00:09:01.799 that wasn't happening there. These were permeating those clouds, coming 188 00:09:01.840 --> 00:09:04.960 straight out in all different directions. They would stop, they 189 00:09:04.960 --> 00:09:08.240 would move, they would disappear, reap. It was nuts. I 190 00:09:08.240 --> 00:09:10.720 don't know what this is, but we have it. On 191 00:09:10.679 --> 00:09:14.200 our YouTube channel and I'll link it in the notes. 192 00:09:14.519 --> 00:09:14.799 Yes. 193 00:09:15.080 --> 00:09:17.720 The next day, I don't know if you ever heard 194 00:09:17.759 --> 00:09:21.440 of the app next door. Yes, it sucks. That's where 195 00:09:21.440 --> 00:09:24.399 you realize that your fucking neighborhood is shit. The people 196 00:09:24.519 --> 00:09:26.919 suck what they talk about and what they complain about, 197 00:09:26.919 --> 00:09:28.720 and how petty and shitty they are. 198 00:09:29.240 --> 00:09:30.919 I've never been on it, I know of it, and 199 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:31.759 I can see. 200 00:09:31.639 --> 00:09:33.120 That every time I get on that app, it makes 201 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:36.159 me want to move. But the next day people were 202 00:09:36.200 --> 00:09:38.320 talking about it, like, did you see what was in 203 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:40.600 the sky? And this was like seventy fifth and I 204 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:43.320 think it was Green Bay Road? What was in the 205 00:09:43.360 --> 00:09:45.240 sky over there by seventy fifth and Green Bay Road? 206 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:46.720 And people are like, eah, we saw that, we don't 207 00:09:46.759 --> 00:09:49.559 know what it is. Someone answered, oh it was it 208 00:09:49.600 --> 00:09:52.919 was some guy's Christmas decorations, a light show he had 209 00:09:53.200 --> 00:09:55.840 both shit. We chased it, we went looking for it. 210 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.039 There was no we never found a source. 211 00:09:59.639 --> 00:10:00.840 From the ground, right exactly. 212 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:03.279 Yeah, it was coming out of the clouds. So it 213 00:10:03.279 --> 00:10:05.159 wasn't just us that saw it. It wasn't just us 214 00:10:05.200 --> 00:10:07.120 that were perplexed by it. Other people saw it and other 215 00:10:07.120 --> 00:10:09.000 people thought it was strange. Too. I don't know what 216 00:10:09.039 --> 00:10:11.480 it was. I'm hoping it was Santa. Actually, I think 217 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:12.360 that would be pretty cool. 218 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:15.000 I think I'd be heartbroken if it is Santa, because 219 00:10:15.000 --> 00:10:17.200 that will imply a lot of other things that are 220 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.159 kind of known to us as fables it's true, in 221 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:22.799 which case, why are we living such shitty lives? Of 222 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:27.720 all these things I've always existed? Like, what is going 223 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:29.720 what did we do? What's going on? What did I do? 224 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:34.519 What did I do? So that's crazy? Yeah, that's so. 225 00:10:34.559 --> 00:10:35.279 You saw the video. 226 00:10:35.799 --> 00:10:37.279 You sure to send me the video so I'll make 227 00:10:37.279 --> 00:10:38.080 a TikTok out of it. 228 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:40.799 You got it? Yeah, oh TikTok. Yeah, it's a whole 229 00:10:40.799 --> 00:10:44.559 other conversation. The moment I get TikTok, they fucking banned 230 00:10:44.600 --> 00:10:44.759 the thing. 231 00:10:45.559 --> 00:10:47.720 Yeah, they just postponed at one hundred and twenty days 232 00:10:47.759 --> 00:10:50.120 I think so. Really, yeah they did because the government's like, 233 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:52.279 oh wait, everyone's going to China harder. 234 00:10:53.120 --> 00:10:53.320 Yeah. 235 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:54.639 Yeah, that's uh, but. 236 00:10:54.639 --> 00:10:55.799 I'll do that. I'll do that. You can put it 237 00:10:55.879 --> 00:10:57.279 up on your TikTok. What's your TikTok? 238 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:00.279 I don't lunar rich, but I was I think going 239 00:11:00.360 --> 00:11:02.360 to announce it. I was just gonna post it and 240 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:03.240 it's lunar ridge. 241 00:11:03.320 --> 00:11:04.600 Lunar ridge, yeah. 242 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.600 With an underscore in the middle. All my all of 243 00:11:06.600 --> 00:11:10.440 my socials had lunar something got it and his lunar whatever. 244 00:11:10.559 --> 00:11:12.240 The first thing I could think of and that day 245 00:11:12.320 --> 00:11:14.440 was rich. That's how I named underscore. I don't name 246 00:11:14.480 --> 00:11:17.840 things with great meaning. I just like, I don't know, okay, 247 00:11:17.919 --> 00:11:19.399 picking whatever comes up, but yeah. 248 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:20.320 I'll send it to you. Put it up so you 249 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:23.279 see what other people think. Oh Google, I didn't put 250 00:11:23.279 --> 00:11:24.840 anywhere but on our YouTube channel. 251 00:11:24.600 --> 00:11:27.679 So yeah, uh, I think that's it. 252 00:11:28.519 --> 00:11:31.720 Oh, this was kind of interesting. A few weeks ago, 253 00:11:31.759 --> 00:11:35.480 I have a collection of baseball cards and I brought 254 00:11:35.559 --> 00:11:37.080 him down just for the hell of it a few 255 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.240 weeks ago, and my son wanted to see him. Nico 256 00:11:40.279 --> 00:11:41.840 wanted to see him, so we started going through him 257 00:11:41.879 --> 00:11:44.799 and stuff. Next thing I know, he's taken photos of him, 258 00:11:45.000 --> 00:11:47.000 right Like, he's taken photos of him, and. 259 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:49.360 He's like, hey, did he's uprising them for That's. 260 00:11:49.360 --> 00:11:51.879 Exactly what he did. He's like, hey, Dad, that thing's 261 00:11:51.879 --> 00:11:54.600 two hundred bucks. I go what and he goes, yeah, look, eBay, 262 00:11:54.600 --> 00:11:57.080 two hundred bucks. I go. Nico checked the the number 263 00:11:57.080 --> 00:11:58.639 of the cards. Sure enough, the card matches. 264 00:11:58.759 --> 00:11:59.759 Yeah, two hundred bucks. 265 00:12:00.159 --> 00:12:03.200 Take the next one, dad, that's a thousand dollars. What. 266 00:12:03.960 --> 00:12:06.480 So we start going through all these baseball cards. Hey, dude, 267 00:12:06.480 --> 00:12:09.080 he found a card that was like eight grand. It's 268 00:12:09.120 --> 00:12:11.120 an error Samy Sosa rookie card. 269 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:13.240 Yeah, you know that I had. That's how that's how 270 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:13.600 it works. 271 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:19.600 Long enough, I would say he found me well over 272 00:12:19.759 --> 00:12:22.240 fifteen thousand dollars. That's seventeen thousand dollars. 273 00:12:22.279 --> 00:12:24.000 No, that's a rainy day fun Yeah. 274 00:12:24.600 --> 00:12:27.759 Yeah, payoff debt. I mean, do so much good stuff 275 00:12:27.799 --> 00:12:30.480 with that money. But the hook is someone has to 276 00:12:30.519 --> 00:12:31.799 be willing to pay that well. 277 00:12:31.840 --> 00:12:32.399 No, yeight. 278 00:12:32.480 --> 00:12:35.759 So I'm not saying no, you're right, right, but I 279 00:12:35.799 --> 00:12:38.279 guess I never knew, Like I didn't think my son 280 00:12:38.320 --> 00:12:39.600 could do something. You just don't. 281 00:12:39.960 --> 00:12:42.559 That's technology, Yeah, technology that can work that way. Just 282 00:12:42.559 --> 00:12:44.720 I mean, he would be much more after him. It's 283 00:12:44.720 --> 00:12:45.679 an extension of his body. 284 00:12:45.720 --> 00:12:46.000 To us. 285 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:48.159 It's just it's just a tool. You're right, it's not 286 00:12:48.159 --> 00:12:49.960 the same. We don't look at the things the same 287 00:12:49.960 --> 00:12:50.559 way he does. 288 00:12:50.639 --> 00:12:50.960 You're right. 289 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.240 Yeah. I was at every generation, by the way, every 290 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:53.639 single one. 291 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:55.039 I was like buddy, if I could sell some of 292 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:55.679 these for us. 293 00:12:55.679 --> 00:13:00.399 It was cordless bones. Okay, so you know, you know 294 00:13:00.600 --> 00:13:04.360 the day by day I called the cable with the cable. 295 00:13:04.080 --> 00:13:06.000 The day I couldn't lay on my tummy with my 296 00:13:06.080 --> 00:13:08.279 legs up behind me in the little phone court rapped 297 00:13:08.279 --> 00:13:09.279 between my tootsies. 298 00:13:09.360 --> 00:13:12.039 Right, it was a sad day, sad day, sad day 299 00:13:12.039 --> 00:13:12.879 for all of humanity. 300 00:13:12.960 --> 00:13:14.480 Yeah, but I did tell him that I will give 301 00:13:14.559 --> 00:13:16.279 him a good chunk of change if I could wind 302 00:13:16.360 --> 00:13:17.919 up selling some of these things. But I was so 303 00:13:17.960 --> 00:13:19.080 impressed with Jesus Christ. 304 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.000 Can't think that's that's great, you know, speaking of that, 305 00:13:21.000 --> 00:13:23.879 you know, people reminds me of collectors and things like that. 306 00:13:23.919 --> 00:13:27.960 Of that nature. There's two things that you reminded me 307 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:30.639 of real quick. One is that I forget the name 308 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:34.440 of it, so don't at me to whatever. But the 309 00:13:34.519 --> 00:13:38.720 last remaining give or take Western or American company that 310 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:42.039 makes Blu rays, no more DVD's that's been long gone. 311 00:13:42.159 --> 00:13:45.480 Blue rays and HD and stuff or four KHD are 312 00:13:45.799 --> 00:13:49.360 going bye bye as of this year. So potentially if 313 00:13:49.399 --> 00:13:52.799 you have especially DVDs but also Blue rays, keep them. 314 00:13:53.200 --> 00:13:55.240 Some of them might be worth something in like ten 315 00:13:55.320 --> 00:13:56.960 years or something. You don't know, because I'm gonna stop 316 00:13:57.000 --> 00:14:00.320 making them very soon. Everything's going only digital. Your election 317 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.240 slash my collection could be worth a lot more money. 318 00:14:02.320 --> 00:14:06.039 I have a massive box of DVDs back there. Wow, 319 00:14:06.159 --> 00:14:07.799 so that it could be worth I mean it'll be 320 00:14:07.799 --> 00:14:08.360 the next project. 321 00:14:08.399 --> 00:14:10.039 I put that on the one. Yeah, more like when 322 00:14:10.039 --> 00:14:11.919 he's twenty. But yes, yeah, I mean you can start 323 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:14.440 now if you want. Uh yeah. So there's that. And 324 00:14:14.440 --> 00:14:15.879 then the other thing I was gonna mention, I heard 325 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:17.519 about this online or as you say, I saw a 326 00:14:17.519 --> 00:14:19.559 TikTok of it online. So I don't know if it's true. 327 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:22.159 It just looks a little true. Is that there are 328 00:14:22.200 --> 00:14:27.440 people that at December every year it should be said 329 00:14:27.440 --> 00:14:31.159 December leg of the company discontinues a huge chunk of 330 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:34.000 their of their product line. Okay, right, so they can 331 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:36.679 add in all the new ones every year. It's almost random, 332 00:14:36.679 --> 00:14:39.240 but they always like announce it. And every year there's 333 00:14:39.279 --> 00:14:42.480 this guy that buys only I guess throughout the year, 334 00:14:42.519 --> 00:14:45.639 but mainly in December, buys every single one that's going 335 00:14:45.679 --> 00:14:48.960 to be discontinued and then sells that a year later 336 00:14:49.559 --> 00:14:52.480 to make money. Yeah. Well, yeah, that's all point, he 337 00:14:52.519 --> 00:14:54.799 just doesn't He doesn't build them. He doesn't go shit, 338 00:14:54.840 --> 00:14:55.440 they're sealed. 339 00:14:56.399 --> 00:14:59.320 Like that's kind of a dick move, but also a. 340 00:14:59.360 --> 00:15:01.879 Little bit Yeah that's kind of cool. Right, Yeah, so 341 00:15:02.200 --> 00:15:03.600 you reminded me of that, and I just want to 342 00:15:03.679 --> 00:15:06.120 bring it up. Oh cool, see with me, Like, the 343 00:15:06.159 --> 00:15:07.919 only thing I would add to that if I were 344 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.159 him and I had that kind of capital to start 345 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:12.360 that kind of process, which you need you kind of 346 00:15:12.360 --> 00:15:15.519 need to start it with money, is that I would build. 347 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:19.480 Them and then I can take them apart fucking crack 348 00:15:19.519 --> 00:15:20.879 add it. 349 00:15:22.600 --> 00:15:27.000 And then carefully we're sealing them with like I don't 350 00:15:27.039 --> 00:15:29.600 know what, dude, you have a problem, Yeah, I have 351 00:15:29.639 --> 00:15:30.120 a problem. 352 00:15:30.120 --> 00:15:30.679 You need help. 353 00:15:31.039 --> 00:15:35.200 No, I don't need help. I need more lego. But yeah, 354 00:15:35.360 --> 00:15:39.120 that's the thank you, thank you. I first step is 355 00:15:39.159 --> 00:15:41.360 admitting it, but second step is getting the funk off 356 00:15:41.360 --> 00:15:44.039 my plate. So let's continue continuing on. 357 00:15:44.240 --> 00:15:47.080 We have a special bottle of whiskey I want to 358 00:15:47.120 --> 00:15:50.159 talk about. We're doing this kind of trend. We're the 359 00:15:50.240 --> 00:15:51.320 last I don't know five. 360 00:15:51.679 --> 00:15:53.320 I mean, we've been doing this for a long time. 361 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:56.080 We just never announced it. Okay, gave a SHD before 362 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:56.960 until recently. 363 00:15:57.039 --> 00:15:59.960 Yeah, where we've been tasting new bottles, getting a turtle 364 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:02.600 opinions real quick because we're big whiskey people. 365 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:05.120 Well, you give your pen, I'll just say it tastes good. 366 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.000 So we have a very special bottle today. Now, this 367 00:16:08.080 --> 00:16:13.320 bottle was donated to the Supernatural Accurrent Studies podcast Tavern 368 00:16:14.720 --> 00:16:20.000 by my wonderful cousin Corey or Corlando. He donated us 369 00:16:20.120 --> 00:16:24.360 this bottle. It is special. 370 00:16:24.559 --> 00:16:27.159 Wait wait, you drink half? Has that? My half out? 371 00:16:27.320 --> 00:16:30.440 I drink a lot. So this one we're not open, 372 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:34.360 we're not fresh opening. I have opened this. He actually 373 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:35.759 wanted to drink a little bit with me when he 374 00:16:35.799 --> 00:16:38.679 gave it to us, so he expressly said, this is 375 00:16:39.039 --> 00:16:42.720 for the show. Open on the show. So it's a 376 00:16:42.720 --> 00:16:49.759 bourbon whiskey. It's called McTavish McTavish Legacy Series by McTavish Spirits, 377 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:53.360 which is out of Riverview, Florida. Now, the guy who 378 00:16:54.000 --> 00:16:58.080 owns this company, who produced this this liquor, his name 379 00:16:58.120 --> 00:17:04.200 is Graham McTavish from Glasgow, Scotland. Now, Graham McTavish is 380 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:06.599 probably best known and you might know who he is. 381 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.279 He played Sir Harold Westerling. The House of the Dragon 382 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:14.440 where that he was Lord Commander of the King's Guard 383 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:18.559 under King Vassirius, the first Targarian, and he was known 384 00:17:18.640 --> 00:17:20.480 for his honor and chivalry. So he was one of 385 00:17:20.519 --> 00:17:22.279 the good people, the good guys. 386 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:25.400 Yeah, and then he got you know, fucking asshole took 387 00:17:25.400 --> 00:17:25.960 over his job. 388 00:17:26.000 --> 00:17:29.119 And yes, he did die of natural causes in the 389 00:17:29.119 --> 00:17:32.960 show and in the books. Yeah, he wasn't horribly murdered 390 00:17:33.119 --> 00:17:37.880 like most characters. He's been in the TV show Outlander, 391 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:40.640 he's been in the Hobbit trilogy. 392 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:45.200 Okay, so he takes very specifically periods of time. Absolutely, 393 00:17:45.359 --> 00:17:47.240 all three are connected by the way, they're all a 394 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:48.240 similar period of time. 395 00:17:48.359 --> 00:17:52.240 Yes, yes, Creed Aquaman, they kind of come in out 396 00:17:52.240 --> 00:17:55.079 of nowhere. But so he's he's a kind of a 397 00:17:55.200 --> 00:17:56.119 pretty well three. 398 00:17:56.200 --> 00:17:58.519 It's all set in the fantasy setting. 399 00:18:00.039 --> 00:18:04.319 Hold out that sword. Now, it's the Legacy series. And 400 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:06.880 this is I guess it's named after his daughters because 401 00:18:06.960 --> 00:18:08.799 right on here it says Hope and Honor. That's his 402 00:18:08.880 --> 00:18:12.720 daughter's name. It's made from a blend of six and 403 00:18:12.839 --> 00:18:16.519 seven year old bourbon, and then it's finished in peded 404 00:18:16.640 --> 00:18:19.799 Scotch casks, which is going to give it this kind 405 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.480 of herbal smoky finish to that American bourbon that went 406 00:18:23.559 --> 00:18:27.119 into the barrels, and those are signatures of like good 407 00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:31.160 Scotch whiskey, sure PD smokiness. It's one hundred and ten proof, 408 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:34.200 so it's a good hon his bottle. And it's actually 409 00:18:34.279 --> 00:18:38.079 hands signed that's cool by Grahama Tavish the bottle. 410 00:18:38.160 --> 00:18:41.559 That's cool. Okay, that's cool. What's the go for if 411 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:42.599 you don't without the signing? 412 00:18:43.880 --> 00:18:49.000 So he I want to say, Corey, I think he 413 00:18:48.400 --> 00:18:52.799 he won the ability to buy it. Does that make sense? 414 00:18:52.839 --> 00:18:54.759 He available? 415 00:18:54.880 --> 00:18:56.839 Oh yeah, it's completely sold out. Like I went to 416 00:18:56.920 --> 00:18:58.839 check on the website because I kind of wanted another 417 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.400 bottle because I'm going to finish is very soon. It 418 00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:03.759 has completely sold out. So he won the ability to 419 00:19:03.759 --> 00:19:06.920 buy it. And it was under one hundred box. It 420 00:19:06.960 --> 00:19:09.200 was under which I think is a fucking steel because 421 00:19:09.240 --> 00:19:11.400 this is good, this is good whiskey. 422 00:19:10.920 --> 00:19:15.000 Ok So I feel like I des half of that. 423 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:16.359 Oh my god, I'm kidding. 424 00:19:16.599 --> 00:19:18.079 The only thing we're doing different here is that it's 425 00:19:18.160 --> 00:19:23.160 already opened. But a little asmr. There we go and 426 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:33.640 pour you first, there you go, thank you give it 427 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:38.920 a smell and a swirl. I was. I was drinking 428 00:19:38.960 --> 00:19:42.720 this today when I was cooking dinner. And it comes 429 00:19:42.720 --> 00:19:44.839 in this great box. It's kind of like this deep 430 00:19:45.119 --> 00:19:47.319 purply colored box. 431 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:49.319 With the lighting we have going on. I have no 432 00:19:49.359 --> 00:19:50.400 idea what the color is. 433 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:53.240 I got the GOV lights going, I got some deep 434 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:56.599 red color going. And the box opens like a gate 435 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:01.279 and it's just this really well made, well crafted box. 436 00:20:01.319 --> 00:20:02.920 It's a great it's a great looking set. It's a 437 00:20:02.920 --> 00:20:06.400 great looking set. So on the nose, like, when you 438 00:20:06.480 --> 00:20:07.400 smell it, what do you smell? 439 00:20:08.079 --> 00:20:08.480 A man? 440 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:14.160 I think like, well, first like smoke, chocolate, smoke. 441 00:20:14.839 --> 00:20:16.440 I thought I smell like a berrier. But I I 442 00:20:16.480 --> 00:20:19.440 could be no, go with it, go with it. I 443 00:20:19.480 --> 00:20:19.799 don't know. 444 00:20:21.799 --> 00:20:22.559 Do you smell smoke? 445 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:23.720 I don't know. 446 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:33.319 All right, let's right, there's that smoke. Man, cinnamon. 447 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:37.680 I got the cinnamon. That's pretty good. I like this one. 448 00:20:37.799 --> 00:20:41.759 I'll do it again in a second, give it a second, 449 00:20:41.799 --> 00:20:48.960 and then take another ship. There's vanilla in there, definitely vanilla. 450 00:20:51.359 --> 00:20:54.000 Let me when you get the smoke, because that's what 451 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:56.960 that's what it is about. 452 00:20:56.440 --> 00:20:58.160 I guess I get it. 453 00:20:59.559 --> 00:20:59.960 That smoke. 454 00:21:00.680 --> 00:21:02.319 Yeah, I can see him. I can feel it in 455 00:21:02.319 --> 00:21:02.720 my nose. 456 00:21:03.440 --> 00:21:05.200 Do you like it? I do like it. 457 00:21:05.279 --> 00:21:06.720 Yeah, I actually like this one. 458 00:21:06.839 --> 00:21:10.359 I used to hate Irish whiskey and Scotch whiskey, but 459 00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:14.119 as I says, I'm getting older and my tastes are changing, 460 00:21:14.200 --> 00:21:16.839 I really dig I really dig this, so I'll start 461 00:21:16.839 --> 00:21:17.400 buying more. 462 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:19.000 I mean it's not a rye, so I'm happy. 463 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:22.519 Yeah, you don't like to rye. And it kind of 464 00:21:22.519 --> 00:21:25.640 finishes kind of long, like you get I can still 465 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:26.119 fits on. 466 00:21:26.160 --> 00:21:28.440 The tongue for a Yeah, it's still end there right now. 467 00:21:28.279 --> 00:21:30.640 Which is a good that's a good thing. Take a 468 00:21:30.680 --> 00:21:32.680 picture of this, honey. 469 00:21:33.200 --> 00:21:34.799 I'm gonna try to I'm gonna try to find it 470 00:21:34.920 --> 00:21:39.039 my because you stole my half. I'm at to find 471 00:21:39.039 --> 00:21:39.359 my own. 472 00:21:42.160 --> 00:21:44.920 Yeah, So thank you very much, Corey. We love the whiskey. 473 00:21:46.119 --> 00:21:49.440 Oscar I think enjoys it because he's snapping pictures looking 474 00:21:49.440 --> 00:21:52.960 to buy it. Yes, so thanks man, we really appreciate it. 475 00:21:53.039 --> 00:21:55.799 Of course, thank you, and uh, you know, thank you 476 00:21:55.839 --> 00:21:59.640 for listening. That's yeah. 477 00:22:00.039 --> 00:22:03.880 Well, tonight is different. I'm taking the back seat, yes, 478 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:05.160 my hands behind my. 479 00:22:05.119 --> 00:22:07.880 Head, princess seat. You're going to be in the princess's chair. No, 480 00:22:07.920 --> 00:22:10.759 there's a name for it. What's it called? Passenger Princess. 481 00:22:10.880 --> 00:22:13.440 You're my passenger princess today. 482 00:22:13.440 --> 00:22:14.680 Could I roll down that window? 483 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:17.599 Yes? Please it I mean my whole car. Yes, you 484 00:22:17.640 --> 00:22:18.240 have to roll it. 485 00:22:18.920 --> 00:22:21.279 Yes. So we've been talking about some fun, fun things 486 00:22:21.319 --> 00:22:23.599 this intro. But we're going to some dark territory today. 487 00:22:23.720 --> 00:22:26.319 Yeah, some pretty weird, dark, creepy pasta stuff. So that's 488 00:22:26.359 --> 00:22:30.279 what you expect, as the title may suggest, stay with. 489 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:52.000 Us, listeners, welcome back to the show. Well, the lights 490 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:57.440 are turned down low, the ceremonial candle is lit, and 491 00:22:57.519 --> 00:23:02.440 the McTavish is flowing. Yes, it is oscar. Start this show, 492 00:23:03.039 --> 00:23:03.839 all right, thank you. 493 00:23:04.880 --> 00:23:08.200 Before I really start, I should say a couple things here. 494 00:23:08.240 --> 00:23:10.920 A couple of things. One is that we've covered this before, 495 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:13.039 this topic very good. 496 00:23:13.079 --> 00:23:14.319 I should have mentioned that, go for it. 497 00:23:14.319 --> 00:23:16.559 No, you're fine. We covered this topic before as a 498 00:23:16.599 --> 00:23:20.079 bonus episode. I don't remember when, over a year ago, 499 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:21.960 let's say, over two years ago, and. 500 00:23:22.079 --> 00:23:24.519 It was smacking covid because we were was it COVII 501 00:23:24.839 --> 00:23:26.279 for Patreon, That's what it was. 502 00:23:26.319 --> 00:23:29.839 That sounds right. So sad Satan was covered, not directly, 503 00:23:29.920 --> 00:23:33.559 though it was covered amongst many other video games we 504 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:36.000 talked about in that episode where we talked about fucked 505 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:39.000 up video games like conspiracy driven video games, a lot 506 00:23:39.000 --> 00:23:42.640 of scandalous kind of video games, either in its gameplay 507 00:23:42.759 --> 00:23:46.680 or in its making. And Sad Satan, the focus of 508 00:23:46.720 --> 00:23:50.759 today's episode, was one of the several that we covered, 509 00:23:50.839 --> 00:23:53.480 one of two that we spotlighted. There were others, but 510 00:23:53.799 --> 00:23:55.119 we spotlighted too in that. 511 00:23:55.119 --> 00:23:57.839 Episode, Sad Satan and Polybius. 512 00:23:57.880 --> 00:23:59.960 Polybius, that's correct, Thank you for mind. I forgot that. 513 00:24:00.240 --> 00:24:03.880 Yeah, so what you did is you just extracted that portion, yes, 514 00:24:03.920 --> 00:24:07.039 your portion said Satan, and then just expanded on it. 515 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:10.640 Right, So that portion was at most ten pages, I think, 516 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:13.880 just the Sad Satan portion. I had it six more, 517 00:24:14.039 --> 00:24:17.160 and obviously I rewrote everything and I found some new stuff. 518 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:19.880 But if you were a fan of that old show, 519 00:24:19.880 --> 00:24:22.799 you're gonna do some differences, of course, some notable differences, 520 00:24:23.759 --> 00:24:26.480 not just in the writing. You will notice that I 521 00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.640 have I'm gonna admit a couple things from that old 522 00:24:29.640 --> 00:24:33.200 show and highlight different things on this one. So just 523 00:24:33.240 --> 00:24:35.720 so you know, if you are a big fan and 524 00:24:35.799 --> 00:24:40.880 have been following us for hopefully all your lives, so 525 00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:42.880 that's one thing. The other thing is that there's this 526 00:24:42.960 --> 00:24:47.640 show has quite a bit of images to highlight, so 527 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:51.319 check your show notes as were as I'm reading along here, 528 00:24:51.880 --> 00:24:55.240 and beyond that, I do kind of recommend for you 529 00:24:55.319 --> 00:24:58.680 to find Sad Satan on YouTube and just have the 530 00:24:58.839 --> 00:25:00.799 video playing in the background. And as I'm telling, as 531 00:25:00.839 --> 00:25:03.720 I'm talking about the app as this podcast is going, 532 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:06.839 I think that would be a great companion piece. Obviously 533 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:09.799 it turned down the sound, but otherwise I think that'll 534 00:25:09.799 --> 00:25:11.960 work out because as I describe things, you'll get to 535 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.400 see it and you know, as in the gameplay there. 536 00:25:14.480 --> 00:25:17.200 So that is my two cents there before we start. 537 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:19.279 You ready, I'm excited. 538 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:21.599 Yeah, let me put my feet up, let me kick back. 539 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:28.400 You never put your feet up in your life. Okay, oh, 540 00:25:28.400 --> 00:25:30.759 thank you stopping me off books. So that's all that's 541 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:32.680 all I want, Not that I'll have a time to 542 00:25:32.759 --> 00:25:38.039 drinker now, all right, all right, So imagine you wake 543 00:25:38.119 --> 00:25:41.119 up in a world that uses black and gray as 544 00:25:41.119 --> 00:25:45.559 its primary colors. You are utterly alone in a hallway, 545 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:49.640 connected to an endless series of rooms and hallways, never 546 00:25:49.759 --> 00:25:53.839 leading to an exit. Normally, the echoless sounds of your 547 00:25:53.839 --> 00:25:57.240 footsteps is the only sound accompanying you, but you get 548 00:25:57.279 --> 00:26:02.759 bombarded with random, nonsensical sound and musical notes. One of 549 00:26:02.799 --> 00:26:07.240 them is a blood curdling scream. You sometimes encounter a 550 00:26:07.240 --> 00:26:11.799 little girl panting and staring into nothing, but refuses to 551 00:26:11.839 --> 00:26:16.160 acknowledge you. This is Sad Satan, a mysterious video game 552 00:26:16.599 --> 00:26:21.799 with questionable origins. In order to get started on Sad 553 00:26:21.839 --> 00:26:24.920 Satan and why it makes for a fun rabbit hole conspiracy, 554 00:26:25.359 --> 00:26:30.240 we must begin with a YouTube channel called Obscure Horror Corner. 555 00:26:31.200 --> 00:26:34.799 So platforms like redead and four chan will make appearances 556 00:26:34.839 --> 00:26:37.680 for this story as well, but YouTube is the place 557 00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:42.440 Sad Satan was made public. The first time this channel, 558 00:26:43.079 --> 00:26:47.359 Obscure Horror Corner, began in January of twenty fourteen, and 559 00:26:47.440 --> 00:26:51.640 the final post before going completely dark was in the 560 00:26:51.680 --> 00:26:55.039 summer of twenty fifteen, so about a year. A year 561 00:26:55.039 --> 00:26:58.119 and a half actually a very short lived channel. Really. 562 00:26:58.839 --> 00:27:02.079 They focus on find and showing gameplay of what the 563 00:27:02.079 --> 00:27:06.960 title suggests. Obscure Horror and gaming titles you may or 564 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:10.640 may not know which normally came from Japan are titles 565 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:15.839 like Death Forest, Toy Maker, Sleepless Night, The Rabbit House. 566 00:27:16.000 --> 00:27:18.759 You know, weird tit weird games you never heard of, right, 567 00:27:18.759 --> 00:27:24.279 But they're all like super weird horror, you know. So anyway, Jamie, 568 00:27:24.400 --> 00:27:28.680 who is the proprietor of OHC, gave an interview on 569 00:27:28.799 --> 00:27:33.279 July of twenty fifteen to Kotaku, saying that a subscriber 570 00:27:33.400 --> 00:27:37.240 known as z K the letters Z and K led 571 00:27:37.319 --> 00:27:42.079 him to a bizarre video game called Sad Satan. It 572 00:27:42.160 --> 00:27:45.240 wasn't unusual for people, at least at this time period 573 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:48.319 to take suggestions from their fan base, and Jamie was 574 00:27:48.359 --> 00:27:52.279 no different, so he took the suggestion of Saseitan. Now, 575 00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:55.359 if you're wondering as to why this random subscriber sent 576 00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:59.559 the Lincoln the first place, beyond you know awareness, z 577 00:27:59.759 --> 00:28:03.680 K claimed online it was because he was not able 578 00:28:03.720 --> 00:28:06.799 to play the game on his computer and was hoping 579 00:28:06.839 --> 00:28:11.480 to see the gameplay on THEHC channel, So that's what 580 00:28:11.559 --> 00:28:15.480 he said. To get Sad Satan, Jamie had to download 581 00:28:15.480 --> 00:28:19.119 the game via a tool like tour Are you familiar. 582 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:20.599 With tour j the onion router? Yes? 583 00:28:20.880 --> 00:28:25.000 Deep Web yeah, which exactly, which is an open source 584 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.480 software for enabling anonymous communication by directing Internet traffic through 585 00:28:29.480 --> 00:28:34.119 a worldwide worldwide network of thousands of relays making your 586 00:28:34.160 --> 00:28:39.000 activities private. Essentially, it's how you start going into the 587 00:28:39.079 --> 00:28:41.680 dark web. That's how. That's where it starts. Now from 588 00:28:41.680 --> 00:28:45.880 that Kutaco article quote. Something that the deep web is 589 00:28:45.960 --> 00:28:50.799 particularly good for, however, is anonymity. Users can upload stuff 590 00:28:51.119 --> 00:28:56.279 to something called Onion sites incognito, and anyone that accesses 591 00:28:56.359 --> 00:28:58.920 that content will have a harder time tracing the source. 592 00:28:59.599 --> 00:29:02.640 A little a while back, Jamie, the proprietor of the 593 00:29:02.680 --> 00:29:06.559 YouTube channel Obscure Horror Corner, says he dove into the 594 00:29:06.599 --> 00:29:10.319 deep web to download that mysterious game hosted on an 595 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:14.720 Onion site. The file was called Sad Satan and it 596 00:29:14.799 --> 00:29:17.640 was a horror game that peaked his interest. It was, 597 00:29:17.839 --> 00:29:20.799 after all, an obscure horror game he could feature on 598 00:29:20.839 --> 00:29:27.599 his YouTube channel. After performing a malware check, the game 599 00:29:27.759 --> 00:29:30.480 was ready to play, and this is how Sad Satan 600 00:29:30.559 --> 00:29:32.960 came into his channel and finally to us here at 601 00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:36.599 the SOS. You're going to find that almost everything about 602 00:29:36.640 --> 00:29:41.079 Sad Satan is going to be strange and a bit convoluted. 603 00:29:41.720 --> 00:29:45.279 Obscure Horror Corner did a full gameplay run of Sad 604 00:29:45.319 --> 00:29:50.039 Satan in five ten minute videos very soon after the 605 00:29:50.079 --> 00:29:53.799 final video was uploaded was when the channel went dark, 606 00:29:54.519 --> 00:29:57.960 and this wasn't twenty fifteen again in the summer. Speculations 607 00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.279 on that Later, in an article on Sad Satan relating 608 00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:05.920 to that very gameplay by Vice, here goes quote rumor 609 00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:09.240 goes that a Sad Satan link was sent to one 610 00:30:09.319 --> 00:30:12.279 of the Obscure Horror Corner founders. He gave it a 611 00:30:12.319 --> 00:30:17.200 playthrough till the game started altering. His computer text began 612 00:30:17.240 --> 00:30:21.559 to appear, which was later translated to I can track 613 00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:27.200 you by by a bunch of redditors. Sufficiently creeped out, 614 00:30:27.559 --> 00:30:31.400 the game was deleted. The only existing footage of Sad 615 00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:35.160 Satan comes from five gameplay videos that were eventually posted. 616 00:30:35.640 --> 00:30:38.200 It's a first person hallway thriller in the vein of 617 00:30:38.200 --> 00:30:42.559 Giamo dol Toro's game PT but despite in some intense 618 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:46.319 searching and theorizing on Reddit, no one can find out 619 00:30:46.440 --> 00:30:49.640 who made it end quote what do you think so far? 620 00:30:50.119 --> 00:30:51.839 I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. 621 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:53.519 Also, how much of us do you remember from like 622 00:30:53.559 --> 00:30:55.279 three years ago, four years back? 623 00:30:55.400 --> 00:30:58.400 I remember that website, I remember the game. Yeah, the 624 00:30:59.000 --> 00:31:01.839 different video game plays. That's the only footage we have 625 00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.839 is that with those game plays in an entity where 626 00:31:04.839 --> 00:31:09.799 we can't find who created the game deep web. I 627 00:31:09.880 --> 00:31:11.720 remember that. So yes, it's starting to come back a. 628 00:31:11.720 --> 00:31:17.079 Little bit excellent. To clarify, Jamie claimed that his notepad 629 00:31:17.319 --> 00:31:21.759 program would open involuntarily when playing Sad Satan and that 630 00:31:21.839 --> 00:31:26.400 it contained series of gibberish characters, but the only discernible 631 00:31:26.480 --> 00:31:29.839 part of the messages was when the number six sixty 632 00:31:29.839 --> 00:31:30.480 six appeared. 633 00:31:30.599 --> 00:31:31.759 Of course, of course right. 634 00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.799 Jamie said that he believed this to be an atmospheric 635 00:31:36.359 --> 00:31:40.480 touch to the creepy game, and while found this notepad 636 00:31:40.519 --> 00:31:45.119 activity weird, he wasn't deterred from playing only after the 637 00:31:45.160 --> 00:31:48.200 gibberish was translated. As to what I quoted by the 638 00:31:48.279 --> 00:31:51.640 Vice article saying I can track you, did Jamie scrap 639 00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.279 the game from his computer? It does bring up questions though, 640 00:31:55.720 --> 00:31:59.359 like did Jamie find the message after completing the game? 641 00:32:00.240 --> 00:32:03.319 He did post five clips about it? Did he get 642 00:32:03.359 --> 00:32:07.240 freaked out maybe and solidified his privacy settings further by 643 00:32:07.279 --> 00:32:10.160 using a different computer, maybe to finish the game later. 644 00:32:10.839 --> 00:32:14.319 We don't really know, but that's what he said. A 645 00:32:14.440 --> 00:32:17.720 link to find the game played by Jamie was placed 646 00:32:17.759 --> 00:32:22.759 on YouTube. Following the Kotaco interview, Our Sad statement was 647 00:32:22.799 --> 00:32:27.400 created on Reddit and people started going to this onion side. 648 00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:30.480 People saw that there was an invalid character in the 649 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:34.319 link that was provided, and it led nowhere. That link 650 00:32:34.359 --> 00:32:38.079 had the number nine, which was wrong because hyperlinks provided 651 00:32:38.119 --> 00:32:41.480 by tor contains the digits two to seven, so nine 652 00:32:41.480 --> 00:32:46.359 wouldn't be included. This sent the Internet detectives to Jamie's 653 00:32:46.359 --> 00:32:50.599 Reddit and other social media accounts. They found Jamie had 654 00:32:50.640 --> 00:32:54.759 claimed his interest in making a horror video game of 655 00:32:54.880 --> 00:32:59.359 his own. So to many people right away, this possible 656 00:32:59.640 --> 00:33:03.920 fact led to much of the public seeing Jamie an 657 00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:08.200 obscure horror corner as charlatans for trying to generate appeal 658 00:33:08.359 --> 00:33:09.599 for a future project. 659 00:33:09.799 --> 00:33:12.400 Okay, right, Okay, so he's trying to generate some revenue. 660 00:33:12.519 --> 00:33:15.720 Right, that's what people think that he's doing. Ok the Internet, 661 00:33:15.759 --> 00:33:16.359 why trust it? 662 00:33:16.440 --> 00:33:17.440 Right? Exactly? 663 00:33:18.440 --> 00:33:22.480 Eventually, so think of like the marketing campaign that was 664 00:33:22.519 --> 00:33:24.759 made famous by the Blair Witch Project. Something like that. 665 00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:27.880 Wonderful kind of like that, right, Okay? Uh. Three days 666 00:33:27.920 --> 00:33:32.119 after the Kotaco interview, OHC came back for another to 667 00:33:32.279 --> 00:33:35.720 correct the link. Mishap. I'll come back to this later, 668 00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.000 but they did correct their little link thing. 669 00:33:38.319 --> 00:33:42.519 The Obscure Horror channel website, yes, well were YouTube site 670 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:44.839 posted something else with it correctly. 671 00:33:44.519 --> 00:33:45.960 Right, correctly, and they fixed it and they kind of 672 00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:47.720 explained it a little later. But I'll come back to 673 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:50.839 this in a second, because just before, like minutes before 674 00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:54.640 this update, a new version of Sad Satan was posted 675 00:33:54.680 --> 00:33:58.559 on four Chan by someone claiming to be z K 676 00:33:58.880 --> 00:34:02.640 the letters Z and K, supposedly the same subscriber of 677 00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.079 Obscure Horror Corner that had sent the original Sad Satan link. 678 00:34:07.039 --> 00:34:11.000 ZK made claims that the gameplay on YouTube that OHC 679 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:14.280 posted was not the actual game he gave a link to. 680 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:17.840 Oh that's what He claims that the real Sad Satan 681 00:34:17.920 --> 00:34:21.239 had notable differences. If you caught the lie, then you're 682 00:34:21.280 --> 00:34:25.559 paying attention, because how could ZK know that those gameplay 683 00:34:25.639 --> 00:34:28.400 videos were not real? Was not the real version of 684 00:34:28.440 --> 00:34:31.599 the game If he said that, the reason he could 685 00:34:31.639 --> 00:34:34.960 he needed, The reason he sent the link was because 686 00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:37.360 he couldn't play it on his own, So this was 687 00:34:37.440 --> 00:34:40.960 already a big problem there, so keep that in mind. 688 00:34:40.960 --> 00:34:44.239 But there seems to be a lie there anyway. People 689 00:34:44.280 --> 00:34:48.000 that downloaded this version, Harold it as at first as 690 00:34:48.039 --> 00:34:51.480 the real Sad Satan, found that they had problems playing 691 00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:54.800 the game, or worse, being able to use their computers 692 00:34:54.840 --> 00:34:58.519 at all. It was infected with a virus which caused 693 00:34:58.639 --> 00:35:02.119 serious lag and events into a complete shutdown. So this 694 00:35:02.199 --> 00:35:05.559 is way worse than the one Jamie had Obscure Horror 695 00:35:05.599 --> 00:35:10.760 Corner used. It wasn't. This version of Sad Satan was 696 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.280 then at that time referred to as the clone version, 697 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:18.800 so not the original clone. What little was, well, little 698 00:35:18.840 --> 00:35:22.199 that was actually access was found to be more night 699 00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.360 marriage than the original post on YouTube. The game was 700 00:35:25.400 --> 00:35:29.400 still playable, but not completely or not very well. It's 701 00:35:29.440 --> 00:35:33.000 said that the clone contained images of violent gore and 702 00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:38.280 child pornography. I did manage to download a video playthrough 703 00:35:38.400 --> 00:35:42.800 of this version from YouTube and immediately noticed the changes. 704 00:35:43.119 --> 00:35:47.400 Obviously the grizzly images were blurred out, obviously otherwise they 705 00:35:47.400 --> 00:35:50.440 wouldn't be on YouTube. This and more in a bit 706 00:35:52.840 --> 00:35:57.239 because of this person from four chanting the posting the 707 00:35:57.320 --> 00:36:01.440 clone version, people starting calling the one posted by OHC 708 00:36:02.079 --> 00:36:05.679 as the clean version of Sad Satan and that the 709 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:11.840 more grisly illegal one may be the original. Coming back 710 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:15.119 to that link error that Jamie provided. After his correction, 711 00:36:15.280 --> 00:36:18.000 people found out that it was a dead link, or 712 00:36:18.039 --> 00:36:21.480 that sad Scene was no longer accessible through that link, 713 00:36:22.639 --> 00:36:26.119 that maybe someone had taken it down. So right there, 714 00:36:26.159 --> 00:36:28.679 we don't know if Jamie corrected the link because he 715 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:30.719 knew it wasn't there, meaning he took it down, or 716 00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:33.920 someone he knows, and then I thought it was safe 717 00:36:33.920 --> 00:36:38.639 to give this real link that leads nowhere or something else. Coincidentally, 718 00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.880 we don't know, but that's what happened. 719 00:36:41.639 --> 00:36:41.800 Now. 720 00:36:41.840 --> 00:36:45.519 This raises suspicions. Of course, did Jamie Obscure Horror Corner 721 00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:48.360 delete the link? Like I said, If it was Jamie, 722 00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.880 the belief that this whole thing was a marketing stunt 723 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:54.199 feels a lot more likely. Was it someone else? Maybe 724 00:36:54.519 --> 00:36:58.440 as they started seeing fast paced internet activity, you know, 725 00:36:58.519 --> 00:37:01.119 in order to play the original of Sad Satan, you know, 726 00:37:01.199 --> 00:37:03.719 where they're trying to keep them from the public from 727 00:37:03.719 --> 00:37:07.039 playing it. Who can say, we don't know. A bit later, 728 00:37:07.599 --> 00:37:10.920 Jamie from the channel came out and said that the 729 00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:13.920 reason he gave a fake link the first time was 730 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:18.320 because that version of Sad Satan was too gruesome and 731 00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:22.719 had child pornography and wanted to show instead a clean 732 00:37:22.960 --> 00:37:27.280 version he had edited or that he found not entirely 733 00:37:27.360 --> 00:37:29.559 sure which but again, who can say for sure of 734 00:37:29.599 --> 00:37:33.760 the motivations. So a lot of weird lies that no 735 00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.079 one can corroborate, I mean not even us, like you know, 736 00:37:37.159 --> 00:37:38.039 because we're not there. 737 00:37:38.199 --> 00:37:47.880 Now you have z K saying the real version has CPL. 738 00:37:45.320 --> 00:37:47.440 Right, So people are coming out saying which is the 739 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:50.320 real sad satan. So at some point, I think the 740 00:37:50.320 --> 00:37:53.960 Internet decided to have the one that was posted on 741 00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:57.000 the og channel to be the original and everything after 742 00:37:57.199 --> 00:37:59.440 to be cloned. So the other one is cloned, the 743 00:37:59.519 --> 00:38:01.760 child igraphy. I wanted to just call it the clone version, 744 00:38:02.480 --> 00:38:04.400 so because there was a lot of like stipulation, which 745 00:38:04.480 --> 00:38:06.679 is the original, which is you know whatever? So at 746 00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:08.840 some point people just decided the first one posted on 747 00:38:08.880 --> 00:38:12.079 the Internet is the original. Anything after that it's a 748 00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:12.679 different version. 749 00:38:12.880 --> 00:38:18.840 OK. But it's weird, yeah, as these Internet kind of yeah, 750 00:38:19.039 --> 00:38:20.119 creepy poxes. 751 00:38:19.719 --> 00:38:24.639 Are yeah, and conspiracies in general. Now, okay, it is 752 00:38:24.719 --> 00:38:29.320 time for a significant but very informative detour. This detour 753 00:38:29.400 --> 00:38:31.480 is part of the rabbit hole business and it adds 754 00:38:31.519 --> 00:38:35.920 some serious creep to this story. According to the Lubbic 755 00:38:36.079 --> 00:38:39.920 Avalanche Journal, a thirty two year old man named Gary 756 00:38:40.079 --> 00:38:44.000 Graves was sentenced to nine years in prison after admitting 757 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:49.280 in August of twenty seventeen to viewing prepubescent child pornography 758 00:38:49.360 --> 00:38:54.280 on his cell phone. I know Graves's girlfriend called Lubbock 759 00:38:54.360 --> 00:38:57.800 police on him. According to the search warrant, the woman 760 00:38:57.960 --> 00:39:00.719 was keeping the phone as Gary was held at the 761 00:39:00.800 --> 00:39:06.039 Lubbig County Jail on an unrelated charge. The responding officers 762 00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:10.199 found several images depicting children involved in sexual acts with adults. 763 00:39:11.199 --> 00:39:16.199 Gary ran a YouTube channel called Scare Bear, a scare 764 00:39:16.199 --> 00:39:20.880 spelled the same bear as ber scare Bear, which had 765 00:39:20.920 --> 00:39:26.960 posted a video titled Sad Sad Satan two Sads. That 766 00:39:27.079 --> 00:39:30.960 video was posted on May of twenty fourteen, nearly two 767 00:39:31.079 --> 00:39:36.559 years before Obscure Horror Corner brought Sad Satan into the limelight. 768 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:41.800 Now that video has absolutely no resemblance to the video game. 769 00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.679 A snippet from that video is on the show notes. 770 00:39:46.519 --> 00:39:49.920 The channel in question was traced back to a Reddit 771 00:39:49.920 --> 00:39:53.639 account that had been created just four days prior to 772 00:39:53.679 --> 00:39:56.920 the post containing the link to the clone that was 773 00:39:56.960 --> 00:40:00.719 posted onnfotune. The virus filled version with the sturbing images. 774 00:40:01.519 --> 00:40:06.280 The reddited account name was scare Bear z K. So 775 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:11.320 Gary Graves was identified online as as a credited man 776 00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:13.920 in another video made on the channel to be the 777 00:40:13.960 --> 00:40:17.960 same person on the Lubbic criminal registry. This led to 778 00:40:18.039 --> 00:40:22.400 the educated assumption that Gary created or at least spread 779 00:40:22.480 --> 00:40:24.400 the clone version of Sad Satan. 780 00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:25.880 So is Gary z K? 781 00:40:26.440 --> 00:40:30.360 Yes, that is what I'm saying here, the clone being 782 00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:34.840 the fucked up version and his online id ZK being 783 00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:38.360 the person that began this whole mess with obscure horror 784 00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:43.079 corner in our slash creepy gaming. ZK types the comments 785 00:40:43.119 --> 00:40:49.239 saying quote Country Road twenty one hundred block fried Deck 786 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:54.400 fourteen oh one, the truth is stranger than fiction. Unquote 787 00:40:54.880 --> 00:40:57.480 fuck zammy. So the message, I mean, it doesn't take 788 00:40:57.559 --> 00:40:59.679 the whole thing. That's a real address. Country wrote twenty 789 00:40:59.679 --> 00:41:04.320 one hund block Friday gets Friday December fourteen oh one 790 00:41:04.440 --> 00:41:08.360 is December fourteen, two thousand and one. Oh okay, okay. 791 00:41:08.760 --> 00:41:11.559 So this led me to an article which states the 792 00:41:11.639 --> 00:41:16.320 following quote, this is weird. December fourteen, two thousand and one. 793 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:20.239 Lubbick Cooper High School student Kelsey Cook is killed in 794 00:41:20.280 --> 00:41:24.960 a single car rollover on South Indiana. Cooper's senior and friend, 795 00:41:25.039 --> 00:41:28.840 Bradley Madison, says quote within the quote, the driver was 796 00:41:28.960 --> 00:41:32.719 drunk and the passenger was not. Kelsey makes a fatal 797 00:41:32.760 --> 00:41:35.199 decision and gets into the car with a friend who 798 00:41:35.239 --> 00:41:39.079 had been drinking. Madison ads it could have been prevented 799 00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.199 by not letting teens under the age of twenty one 800 00:41:41.280 --> 00:41:47.119 drink end quote. The intoxicated drivers is named Nicole Crump, 801 00:41:47.679 --> 00:41:51.280 and she and Kelsey and Gary are of the same 802 00:41:51.360 --> 00:41:55.760 age and went to Shawwater High School together. Gary's federal 803 00:41:55.840 --> 00:41:58.760 arrest for the child pornography was led by his girlfriend 804 00:41:58.800 --> 00:42:03.199 at the time, Nicole Crump. It's impossible to figure out 805 00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:08.360 why Gary as z K posted that tragic teenage fatal 806 00:42:08.440 --> 00:42:11.920 car accident date on a Reddit post about sad Satan 807 00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:14.519 if he wasn't trying to throw some shade at his girlfriend, 808 00:42:15.480 --> 00:42:18.199 who you know, caused the crash in two thousand and one. 809 00:42:18.880 --> 00:42:22.480 What's really weird about Gary's YouTube account scare Beear is 810 00:42:22.519 --> 00:42:25.480 that his final post was in May of twenty fourteen, 811 00:42:25.599 --> 00:42:29.039 and Obscure Horror Corner began posting around January of the 812 00:42:29.079 --> 00:42:33.360 same year, so a lot of strange coincidental similarities here 813 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:37.239 and that car accident, not implying at all here that 814 00:42:37.400 --> 00:42:41.000 ZK or Gary whatever that he did it. But he's 815 00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.719 obviously conduct to the person that was drunk driving that day, 816 00:42:43.760 --> 00:42:46.199 and he posted it on some random reddit for no reason. 817 00:42:46.320 --> 00:42:47.880 I don't know why. 818 00:42:47.000 --> 00:42:47.320 I don't know. 819 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:50.000 That's just to be weird, I guess. I couldn't tell you. 820 00:42:50.159 --> 00:42:52.440 I looked up a picture of him. He's weird looking. 821 00:42:52.559 --> 00:42:55.320 Fuck that guy, Yeah, I did. Way back when I 822 00:42:55.320 --> 00:42:57.639 first researched this. His account was still around, so I 823 00:42:57.639 --> 00:42:58.400 said to see someone. 824 00:42:58.480 --> 00:42:59.639 Was it really still around? Yeah? 825 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:03.559 Saw some of his old videos. Nothing, nothing special, nothing hidden. 826 00:43:04.199 --> 00:43:07.639 He's not smart, but I saw his face more. Fuck that. 827 00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:10.679 You're right though, he's a piece of shit. But he's arrested, thankfully, 828 00:43:10.920 --> 00:43:15.400 shotgun right to his face. Right now, that's most of 829 00:43:15.440 --> 00:43:19.280 the background. Let's get into Sad Satan itself. I will 830 00:43:19.320 --> 00:43:21.599 be getting into a lot of the nitty gritty of 831 00:43:21.639 --> 00:43:25.159 this game, but there will be obvious cuts to some 832 00:43:25.719 --> 00:43:28.360 of what goes on. I will be staying within the 833 00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:31.360 five videos that were uploaded on YouTube by Obscure Horror 834 00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:34.800 Corner primarily, and then I'll get into some of the 835 00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:37.400 other versions of Sad Satan, but it should be said 836 00:43:37.440 --> 00:43:40.079 those are lesser versions because they are not the crux 837 00:43:41.199 --> 00:43:45.440 of this conspiracy. Really, some of the images I will 838 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.840 be describing are on the show notes, as well as 839 00:43:47.880 --> 00:43:51.480 others I will not mention. So what the hell is 840 00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:55.920 this game? It's certainly ominous, but kind of barely a game. 841 00:43:56.559 --> 00:43:58.920 Much like I described in the opening, it's a first 842 00:43:58.960 --> 00:44:03.320 person experience and you're someone unknown. You don't have a name. 843 00:44:03.639 --> 00:44:06.880 You could be a last soul, a child, a grieving parent, 844 00:44:06.960 --> 00:44:11.519 or maybe you're Satan himself. Who knows. You walk down 845 00:44:11.519 --> 00:44:15.239 these hallways, these long hallways, and pass through some doors 846 00:44:15.679 --> 00:44:19.480 and meet a few static characters or NPCs along the way, 847 00:44:19.519 --> 00:44:23.119 but that's really all the activity. It's difficult to tell 848 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:25.880 if you are on a set path or one of many. 849 00:44:26.280 --> 00:44:27.679 Like if you play it again, it will it be 850 00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:31.639 a different experience. It's almost amazed, but the goal doesn't 851 00:44:31.679 --> 00:44:34.280 seem to be finding a way out or searching for 852 00:44:34.320 --> 00:44:37.760 a specific person or item. The place is out of 853 00:44:37.760 --> 00:44:41.000 the place. The game is also ugly. It has very 854 00:44:41.039 --> 00:44:44.199 few colors and is more of an experimental showcase than 855 00:44:44.239 --> 00:44:50.559 a game. It features monochromatic corridors while various audio samples 856 00:44:50.599 --> 00:44:54.239 are played and looped over and over each other. Now, 857 00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:57.840 let's get into some of the audio of Sad Satan. Now, 858 00:44:57.840 --> 00:45:01.719 the bumper music you heard earlier is actually from the game. 859 00:45:02.400 --> 00:45:24.079 Here's a more completed version of that very sound. That 860 00:45:24.199 --> 00:45:27.159 child's voice you think you're hearing is actually meant to 861 00:45:27.159 --> 00:45:30.519 be played in reverse and coupled with the eerie ice 862 00:45:30.559 --> 00:45:34.280 cream truck music is from the Swedish rhapsody number station 863 00:45:34.480 --> 00:45:38.639 called the Cone Project. This is a Polish number station 864 00:45:38.760 --> 00:45:42.840 operated by the Ministry of Public Security that utilized AM 865 00:45:42.960 --> 00:45:48.239 broadcasting between the late nineteen fifties and the late nineteen nineties. 866 00:45:48.760 --> 00:45:52.280 This nifty piece of spycraft was mentioned on this show before, 867 00:45:52.639 --> 00:45:54.000 on episode sixty two. 868 00:45:54.559 --> 00:45:56.800 That's what it was. We talked about numbers. 869 00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:59.079 I went back to our own archives to find out 870 00:45:59.119 --> 00:46:01.920 what we're talking about. It took a while, I remember where. 871 00:46:01.760 --> 00:46:04.440 So listeners check out episode sixty two. That's right, number stations. 872 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:08.559 That's right, that real thing that really existed was inserted 873 00:46:08.599 --> 00:46:13.599 into Sad Satan. Why let's first develop the pattern. Now, 874 00:46:13.639 --> 00:46:17.800 the closest time you encounter something resembling a musical score 875 00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:20.400 for the game. Other than that, you know ice cream 876 00:46:20.400 --> 00:47:04.800 truck music is when this pops up, I would say 877 00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.280 that hardly qualifies as a musical score. What did you think? 878 00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:11.320 It's creepy as shit, like it's the devil has an iggestion. 879 00:47:11.360 --> 00:47:14.199 Right, Yeah, that's a girl. He needs pepto. He needed, 880 00:47:14.920 --> 00:47:17.519 he need some pepto. That clip turns out to be 881 00:47:17.679 --> 00:47:21.039 a very very slow down and distorted version of a 882 00:47:21.119 --> 00:47:23.519 song from kmf DM. 883 00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:24.800 Kill Motherfucking depeche Mode. 884 00:47:24.920 --> 00:47:25.360 That's right. 885 00:47:25.880 --> 00:47:26.199 Uh. 886 00:47:26.320 --> 00:47:29.440 The song title is lynch Mob, which has a tenuous 887 00:47:29.519 --> 00:47:34.760 connection with Eric Harris and Dial Dylan Cleebold really uh huh, 888 00:47:34.840 --> 00:47:37.400 the two high school students that perpetray of the massacre 889 00:47:37.400 --> 00:47:40.840 at Columbine High School in nineteen ninety nine. There are 890 00:47:40.920 --> 00:47:44.360 pictures of the two shooters wearing KMFDM band shirts. 891 00:47:45.360 --> 00:47:47.760 Okay, I think I remember those pictures too. 892 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:48.519 I remember too. 893 00:47:48.599 --> 00:47:50.679 And by the way, I don't know if KMFDM actually 894 00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:52.920 stands for kill motherfucking depeche Mode, but that's what they 895 00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.360 used to say. Yeah, and just to put it on record, 896 00:47:55.440 --> 00:47:57.280 I fucking love depeche Mode, So there we go. 897 00:47:57.440 --> 00:47:59.239 I also dig depeche Mo more than this band, I 898 00:47:59.280 --> 00:48:00.440 would say, but I was so I don't know this 899 00:48:00.519 --> 00:48:01.079 band very well. 900 00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:02.159 Was cool? 901 00:48:02.280 --> 00:48:04.119 But yeah it was cool and that is I must 902 00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:05.639 I just I think it went over my head at 903 00:48:05.639 --> 00:48:07.519 that time, Like I don't think I even knew they existed, 904 00:48:07.840 --> 00:48:11.239 you know what I'm saying. So an example of another 905 00:48:11.440 --> 00:48:14.840 slow down song that's that that is found to be 906 00:48:14.880 --> 00:48:18.599 in the Sad Satan is Alabama song by the Doors. 907 00:48:19.920 --> 00:48:21.039 Do you know? Can I? 908 00:48:21.239 --> 00:48:21.800 Yes? Go ahead. 909 00:48:21.840 --> 00:48:23.639 I don't mean to derail you. So I just put 910 00:48:23.639 --> 00:48:30.920 a post on Instagram today showing the whiskey here. Oh yeah, 911 00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:33.800 this song I played, played it. That was the Alabama 912 00:48:33.920 --> 00:48:35.239 song Whiskey Bar. 913 00:48:36.119 --> 00:48:38.679 I gotta tell you, Jay, I wish this provided more 914 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:40.639 proof for the show to write it. I didn't write 915 00:48:40.639 --> 00:48:43.400 it in because didn't make any sense. But I went 916 00:48:43.440 --> 00:48:45.280 to a rabbit hole of the original of that song 917 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:47.360 how that song was first made. It was a German song, 918 00:48:47.400 --> 00:48:49.519 you know what. No, I went into a whole rabbit 919 00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.159 hole just to find out anything meaningful that I could 920 00:48:52.159 --> 00:48:54.639 add to the show. But there there was nothing meaningful. 921 00:48:54.639 --> 00:48:58.239 Wert yes, but but there was a connection. There's something 922 00:48:58.320 --> 00:49:00.320 I'll tell you right now, but it's not like about 923 00:49:00.320 --> 00:49:02.880 the song's origins. You know, that's what my problem anyway. 924 00:49:03.159 --> 00:49:06.480 So Alabama's song by the Doors a famous cover song 925 00:49:07.239 --> 00:49:10.000 from your German original if it's If you're not familiar 926 00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.800 with that song, go look it up. It's a great 927 00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:14.840 interesting story because it was made nineteen thirties, right before 928 00:49:14.960 --> 00:49:15.920 Lancy's really took over. 929 00:49:16.039 --> 00:49:16.239 Wow. 930 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:20.280 The creepy part emphasized in the game is when the 931 00:49:20.360 --> 00:49:24.239 song gows quote show me the way to the next 932 00:49:24.280 --> 00:49:28.199 little girl and then yeah, yes, that's the part that's 933 00:49:28.280 --> 00:49:32.119 highlighted in the game. Here's the clip from the game, 934 00:49:32.199 --> 00:49:47.800 but reverse so that way it makes sense. Okay, so 935 00:49:47.840 --> 00:49:51.320 we're back. So yeah, so that clip in the video 936 00:49:51.320 --> 00:49:53.639 game is actually reversed. I reversed it for you guys, 937 00:49:53.639 --> 00:49:55.719 so you guys can understand what the hell they're saying. 938 00:49:55.840 --> 00:49:59.079 Got it, got it? And that is exactly what Jim 939 00:49:59.119 --> 00:50:00.320 Morrison says that song. 940 00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.519 Yeah, I you know, I knew of that song. I 941 00:50:03.559 --> 00:50:07.079 definitely wasn't a big familie. I didn't know it's a 942 00:50:07.119 --> 00:50:09.760 great song, but it's fun. I've heard it like in 943 00:50:09.840 --> 00:50:11.639 other versions of it. I've heard like a swing time 944 00:50:11.719 --> 00:50:14.159 kind of version of it. I've heard a star version. 945 00:50:14.159 --> 00:50:16.280 I think once. I can see that too, so but 946 00:50:16.480 --> 00:50:19.559 not not the original origion from Germany. But yeah, it's crazy. 947 00:50:19.639 --> 00:50:21.599 It's a crazy, fun song. It's a fun song with 948 00:50:21.639 --> 00:50:24.719 the if you listen to the original, no no, Lie, 949 00:50:24.840 --> 00:50:27.679 it's a creepy version, the German version of the German origin. 950 00:50:27.760 --> 00:50:29.159 It's in English, but itn't have to. 951 00:50:29.440 --> 00:50:30.400 It's weird. 952 00:50:30.920 --> 00:50:31.920 Cool's weird cool. 953 00:50:31.920 --> 00:50:35.400 Love it all right. I'll get into more of the 954 00:50:35.440 --> 00:50:38.840 bizarre sound clips, but I want to introduce another component 955 00:50:39.079 --> 00:50:42.239 to Sad Satan. As your character walks up and down 956 00:50:42.280 --> 00:50:46.400 the hallways, the player gets randomly hijacked with a full 957 00:50:46.519 --> 00:50:50.199 frame picture. It is unclear whether it is time based, 958 00:50:50.320 --> 00:50:53.800 meaning the specific or random photograph come at you at 959 00:50:53.800 --> 00:50:56.960 certain times no matter where you are, or if it's 960 00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:01.400 when you cross certain thresholds in the gameplay. Sure as such, 961 00:51:01.719 --> 00:51:05.119 one of the pictures is connected to the audio bombardments, 962 00:51:05.360 --> 00:51:09.159 though not at the same time. At just over the 963 00:51:09.199 --> 00:51:11.960 ten minute mark of the gameplay, the player gets a 964 00:51:11.960 --> 00:51:17.480 full frame picture of Jimmy Saville standing next to UK 965 00:51:17.639 --> 00:51:23.480 Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher sponsoring the NSPCC. The acronym stands 966 00:51:23.480 --> 00:51:27.079 for National Society for the Prevention of cruelty to children. 967 00:51:27.159 --> 00:51:28.639 Come on, just stop. 968 00:51:28.840 --> 00:51:32.400 And the disgusting irony is that shortly after TV icon 969 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:36.920 in famous DJ Jimmy Saville died at eighty four, massive 970 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:40.719 amounts of allegations came out of sexual abuse, which included, 971 00:51:40.880 --> 00:51:45.000 but not limited to children. Oh, I mean yeah, massive 972 00:51:45.280 --> 00:51:47.599 sunies will decades. 973 00:51:47.239 --> 00:51:51.239 The stories will turn your stomach and listeners have to 974 00:51:51.320 --> 00:51:55.119 understand how big this guy was over in the UK. 975 00:51:55.280 --> 00:51:56.400 Jimmy Saville was. 976 00:51:56.519 --> 00:51:59.280 Like Michael Jackson level for a lot of them. 977 00:51:58.960 --> 00:52:02.880 Massive, connected to every political figure you could think of, 978 00:52:03.480 --> 00:52:06.639 every person who is who in whatever they call Hollywood 979 00:52:06.679 --> 00:52:09.639 over there. Yeah, I mean he was fucking tied in. 980 00:52:09.559 --> 00:52:10.800 Which they can call it te town. 981 00:52:11.559 --> 00:52:14.320 I'm not really nobody, uh, which is why they say 982 00:52:14.400 --> 00:52:17.760 he was never outed until after his death because he 983 00:52:17.880 --> 00:52:20.039 was so tied in and so many people knew, and 984 00:52:20.119 --> 00:52:22.559 so many people helped him and covering for him. It 985 00:52:22.679 --> 00:52:25.159 is a fucked up story, it is. That's fucked up 986 00:52:25.159 --> 00:52:26.239 that they put that in that ship. 987 00:52:26.320 --> 00:52:28.119 Yeah, they put a full pank picture in your face 988 00:52:28.400 --> 00:52:30.880 next to Margaret Thatcher though that's all a very big political, 989 00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:33.119 you know, person in UK at that time. Of course, 990 00:52:33.199 --> 00:52:37.280 So the sound clip that accompanies. This image is creepy 991 00:52:37.480 --> 00:52:39.480 once you know this civille scandal. 992 00:52:41.519 --> 00:52:42.440 Nothing wrong with THEE. 993 00:52:42.480 --> 00:52:47.480 I'm wrong, Anny Louis Norm rot Sorosa. 994 00:52:48.159 --> 00:52:49.079 Nothing wrong with THEE. 995 00:52:49.119 --> 00:52:56.119 I'm wrong, Anny Louis Norm wrote, Sorosa. 996 00:52:54.800 --> 00:52:56.199 Nothing wrong with THEE. I'm wrong. 997 00:52:56.320 --> 00:52:59.440 Anny Louis Norm wrote Sorosa. 998 00:53:00.559 --> 00:53:03.119 So yeah, that's the clip they used, which is extracted 999 00:53:03.159 --> 00:53:05.679 from an interview in twenty eleven. So he was already 1000 00:53:05.719 --> 00:53:08.519 almost to death at that point. But yeah, I. 1001 00:53:08.519 --> 00:53:12.880 Haven't broken any laws, have you none whatsoever? Right? But 1002 00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:15.880 in reality he was the devil in carget. 1003 00:53:15.960 --> 00:53:17.599 For a lot of people. Sure, a lot of victims, 1004 00:53:17.639 --> 00:53:20.800 one hundred percent. Yeah, crazy, crazy wall, We're in there. 1005 00:53:21.559 --> 00:53:24.000 There are other fucked up pictures. At some point you 1006 00:53:24.039 --> 00:53:28.280 get the driver's license picture of Sutomu Miyazaki, also called 1007 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:32.280 the Otaku murderer, who in Japan raped and killed four 1008 00:53:32.320 --> 00:53:37.280 little girls. Ralph Harris, a famous Australian who worked in 1009 00:53:37.400 --> 00:53:42.480 UK television, even once alongside Jimmy Seville, was convicted of 1010 00:53:42.599 --> 00:53:46.559 sexual I was convicted for sexual assault on four underage 1011 00:53:46.599 --> 00:53:51.119 girls in twenty fourteen. This picture is of him in 1012 00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:55.440 a Santa Claus outfit, surrounded by smiling children in what 1013 00:53:55.519 --> 00:53:58.280 appears to be a promo shoot that looks a little 1014 00:53:58.320 --> 00:54:02.079 like a stock photo. To me, is important to the 1015 00:54:02.159 --> 00:54:05.639 time period we're talking about regarding Sad Satan because it 1016 00:54:05.800 --> 00:54:08.559 cemmens the fact that the game must have been made 1017 00:54:08.719 --> 00:54:13.000 no earlier than twenty thirteen, when when the Ralph Harris 1018 00:54:13.000 --> 00:54:16.039 scandal began. Oh okay, I like that a little bit 1019 00:54:16.039 --> 00:54:18.000 of it. No one ever talks about it, but yeah, 1020 00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:21.159 the timeframe fits my point. So the Sad Satan is 1021 00:54:21.480 --> 00:54:25.480 of its time. It wasn't made like so long ago whatever. 1022 00:54:25.320 --> 00:54:28.800 Okay, which gives more authenticity to it. 1023 00:54:28.800 --> 00:54:30.199 Like exactly a little bit more. 1024 00:54:30.320 --> 00:54:33.159 Yes, and again, listeners can see these photos. 1025 00:54:32.719 --> 00:54:34.760 In the show the shows. That's why I describe this, 1026 00:54:34.840 --> 00:54:36.079 so you can see what I'm talking about. 1027 00:54:36.079 --> 00:54:37.840 Creepy, They're creepy photos. 1028 00:54:37.920 --> 00:54:42.239 Yeah, definitely. Another notable picture is of famed and still 1029 00:54:42.320 --> 00:54:46.280 working filmmaker Roman Polanski, who in nineteen seventy seven pled 1030 00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:49.199 guilty to drugging and raping a thirteen year old girl 1031 00:54:49.440 --> 00:54:53.760 and is currently a fugitive from the US justice system. Now, 1032 00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.679 the trend here is pretty obvious crimes against children against 1033 00:54:57.719 --> 00:55:02.880 the innocent. The gameplay itself reflects this. There's one notable 1034 00:55:03.039 --> 00:55:07.239 NPC you meet in one of the quiet quarters. It's 1035 00:55:07.239 --> 00:55:11.360 a little girl standing and looking down, but not exactly 1036 00:55:11.400 --> 00:55:14.920 at the floor, more like through it, staring at nothing. 1037 00:55:15.840 --> 00:55:18.920 She's heaving a bit, but not making a sound and 1038 00:55:19.039 --> 00:55:23.880 not acknowledging you. After a moment, the quiet gets interrupted 1039 00:55:23.920 --> 00:55:52.320 by a blood curdling scream. Now, don't worry. The Internet 1040 00:55:52.440 --> 00:55:55.840 salutes found where that scream came from. And it's not 1041 00:55:56.000 --> 00:55:59.800 someone getting tortured and murdered. Its stalk audio made by 1042 00:56:00.079 --> 00:56:04.000 some woman for anyone to purchase and use. Thank god, yes, 1043 00:56:04.039 --> 00:56:08.639 thank God, and now element it's implying right. However, in 1044 00:56:08.719 --> 00:56:10.440 the context of where you are in the beginning game 1045 00:56:10.480 --> 00:56:14.679 and you hear that, also extremely creepy. Elements of that 1046 00:56:14.719 --> 00:56:18.000 audio were changed to a bit too dramatic effect, But 1047 00:56:18.079 --> 00:56:20.360 it's nothing special other than the fact that the scream 1048 00:56:20.360 --> 00:56:22.960 always gives me the goddamn chills, even knowing the truth. 1049 00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:24.880 Now doosbumps all over my body. 1050 00:56:24.880 --> 00:56:27.960 Every time listen to it? Mm hmm every time. Imagine 1051 00:56:27.960 --> 00:56:31.400 playing this game for the first time from some questionable 1052 00:56:31.440 --> 00:56:34.599 Internet source, Your alone in the dark, and the game 1053 00:56:34.719 --> 00:56:39.400 constantly interrupts your lonely footsteps with weird looping soundscase and 1054 00:56:39.480 --> 00:56:44.039 strange images. Now add that scream after meeting the one 1055 00:56:44.119 --> 00:56:47.360 lonely girl in the game sad saying is very fun 1056 00:56:47.400 --> 00:56:51.480 creepy pasta. There are a couple more things I want 1057 00:56:51.480 --> 00:56:55.320 to highlight here. Here is the clip as it appears 1058 00:56:55.440 --> 00:56:58.039 in the game, followed right next to each other. I'm 1059 00:56:58.039 --> 00:57:01.039 gonna put them back to back, followed the same clip 1060 00:57:01.119 --> 00:57:38.360 in reverse. That distorted clip is accompanied by an image 1061 00:57:38.360 --> 00:57:41.119 of a white screen with a code that links to 1062 00:57:41.199 --> 00:57:46.079 a song titled I Love Beijing Tianamen. People online have 1063 00:57:46.159 --> 00:57:49.599 deduced that the song is from a cheap sn e 1064 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:54.400 s game called Hong Kong ninety seven, which showed, among 1065 00:57:54.440 --> 00:57:57.519 other things like cuswords, which is unheard of back then, 1066 00:57:58.119 --> 00:58:00.760 and a disembodied head of a Chinese stick tape. Besides that, 1067 00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:05.119 a picture of a bloody corpse as the game overscreen. 1068 00:58:06.039 --> 00:58:09.480 This dead person picture baffled people at first as to 1069 00:58:09.519 --> 00:58:12.920 its origins, but was later discovered to be from something 1070 00:58:12.960 --> 00:58:17.559 called Death File Yellow and Faces of Death, which are 1071 00:58:17.679 --> 00:58:23.039 narrated documentaries that depict real and gruesome deaths. That song 1072 00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:26.800 is famously sung by children, by the Way, and here's 1073 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:49.760 what the original sounds like. Yeah, so obviously this single, 1074 00:58:49.800 --> 00:58:52.280 the original singer of this wasn't tortured or murdered or anything, 1075 00:58:52.360 --> 00:58:56.760 but it doesn't just immediately invoked the obviously Tannamin Square 1076 00:58:56.840 --> 00:58:59.440 and that whole horrible thing. But the fact that it's 1077 00:58:59.440 --> 00:59:02.159 also famous each sung by children, and it's connected to 1078 00:59:02.159 --> 00:59:04.400 this other video game and we're talking about a different 1079 00:59:04.480 --> 00:59:07.519 video game, there's a there's definitely some creep connection there. 1080 00:59:07.639 --> 00:59:10.679 So again, continuing that theme and harm. 1081 00:59:10.519 --> 00:59:13.519 The children right a little bit. Anyway. The last thing 1082 00:59:13.559 --> 00:59:16.159 I want to talk about in some detail, anyway, is 1083 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:20.880 something near to the Supernatural Current Studies podcast. Charlie Manson 1084 00:59:20.920 --> 00:59:25.920 clips are notable in Sad Satan of course, right of course, right, 1085 00:59:26.039 --> 00:59:29.639 why not? Manson needs no introduction, but at the very 1086 00:59:29.719 --> 00:59:32.440 least in connection to the child abuse and child predators. 1087 00:59:32.880 --> 00:59:35.719 Manson did recruit and sleep with young women often during 1088 00:59:35.719 --> 00:59:39.960 his reign. This clip gets looped over and over during 1089 00:59:40.000 --> 00:59:41.360 a portion of the gameplay. 1090 00:59:41.559 --> 00:59:47.039 If I started murdering people, none of your left. If 1091 00:59:47.079 --> 00:59:52.360 I started murdering people, did none of your left? If 1092 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:56.519 I started murdering people? 1093 00:59:57.559 --> 01:00:00.719 That clip of Manson's maniacal ramblings is from an interview 1094 01:00:00.760 --> 01:00:04.639 he did while incarcerated. A huge portion of that interview 1095 01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:09.960 also plays in the game, but it's distorted. There are 1096 01:00:10.039 --> 01:00:13.480 many other examples that were cut for time. When researching 1097 01:00:13.519 --> 01:00:16.760 this weird game, I had a few important questions. What 1098 01:00:16.960 --> 01:00:21.039 is the purpose of Sad Satan? Who are the intended audience? 1099 01:00:21.840 --> 01:00:26.280 Who in the hell made this game? And other versions? Now, 1100 01:00:26.320 --> 01:00:31.079 before speculating on who might have made Sad Satan's, I 1101 01:00:31.079 --> 01:00:34.719 think we have to talk about on how it was made. 1102 01:00:35.280 --> 01:00:37.920 I'm not too familiar with game making and anything with 1103 01:00:38.000 --> 01:00:41.320 computer code, but I found that something called the Unity 1104 01:00:41.760 --> 01:00:46.239 Terror Engine was used to make Sad Satan. Its purpose 1105 01:00:46.320 --> 01:00:50.159 is to make horror games very simply. Games like Silent 1106 01:00:50.280 --> 01:00:55.360 Hill the original course used this engine, for example. What's 1107 01:00:55.480 --> 01:00:58.440 telling is that the engine is prized for its advanced 1108 01:00:58.480 --> 01:01:02.440 mechanics that allows users with no coding experience to be 1109 01:01:02.559 --> 01:01:07.159 able to make their game. This is interesting because of 1110 01:01:07.199 --> 01:01:09.000 the little rabbit hole I'm about to lead you to. 1111 01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:14.840 Scrutinizers online notice some strange inconsistencies with the videos on 1112 01:01:14.920 --> 01:01:19.400 Obscure Horror Corner. They noticed overlaying issues where none of 1113 01:01:19.440 --> 01:01:24.360 them should be. They noticed a few cuts. They noticed 1114 01:01:24.360 --> 01:01:26.920 a few cuts made to the gameplay that doesn't quite 1115 01:01:27.000 --> 01:01:31.199 match with what's supposed to be happening. The only weird 1116 01:01:31.199 --> 01:01:34.440 thing I noticed is that the five videos don't connect 1117 01:01:34.519 --> 01:01:38.440 very well with each other, meaning that where you are 1118 01:01:38.519 --> 01:01:41.239 at the end of the first video isn't exactly where 1119 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:44.480 you start at the start of the second video, and 1120 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:48.000 so forth. It's pretty sketchy if you think about it. 1121 01:01:48.000 --> 01:01:52.440 Doesn't really make sense now. The cuts within these videos 1122 01:01:52.800 --> 01:01:55.880 that people talk about online I couldn't see very well. 1123 01:01:56.239 --> 01:01:59.800 The monochromatic setting and old school pixelization nature of the 1124 01:01:59.800 --> 01:02:03.880 game makes it difficult to discern those cuts. There were 1125 01:02:03.960 --> 01:02:08.280 little glitches I couldn't explain, especially since we're supposed to 1126 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:13.639 be watching a solid, flowing play through video. But also remember, folks, 1127 01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:17.239 this is before twitch and live streaming gameplay became a 1128 01:02:17.280 --> 01:02:21.199 real thing. What's telling is that there's a picture, one 1129 01:02:21.239 --> 01:02:25.800 of many, that pops up inconsistently to the rest and 1130 01:02:25.840 --> 01:02:29.920 in what looks like a slightly different aspect ratio. This 1131 01:02:29.960 --> 01:02:32.679 is in the fourth video of the playthrough. There's an 1132 01:02:32.679 --> 01:02:36.920 added element concerning Jamie. Oh wait, sorry, it's kid myself, 1133 01:02:37.320 --> 01:02:40.280 so this isn't the fourth video. The aspect ratio. I 1134 01:02:40.280 --> 01:02:42.199 don't have a sample of this for you guys, but 1135 01:02:42.639 --> 01:02:46.280 it's basically the same gameplay, but the aspect ratio changes 1136 01:02:46.400 --> 01:02:49.599 for no reason. So what that does. So I don't 1137 01:02:49.599 --> 01:02:53.079 know if you're familiar with video aspect ratios, but typically 1138 01:02:53.119 --> 01:02:55.599 a movie stays in one aspect ratio the entire time, right, 1139 01:02:55.840 --> 01:02:59.719 a video game largely more so. Sometimes they'll skip around 1140 01:02:59.760 --> 01:03:02.599 to be fun or dramatic. But a game like this 1141 01:03:02.840 --> 01:03:05.519 where you see ninety percent is one way and you 1142 01:03:05.599 --> 01:03:09.199 see two percent of it not, it kind of throws 1143 01:03:09.480 --> 01:03:12.960 It makes it look like you're watching something doctored. Okay, 1144 01:03:13.119 --> 01:03:16.199 that's that's what people are saying online of this aspect 1145 01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:19.840 ratio change. It's not the biggest deal. It just provides 1146 01:03:19.840 --> 01:03:23.199 some shade on that original gameplay. It just it just 1147 01:03:23.199 --> 01:03:27.199 makes it all suspicious, That's really it, because it's not 1148 01:03:27.239 --> 01:03:31.119 like we can confirm any of this anyway, you know, 1149 01:03:31.480 --> 01:03:37.119 anyway where am I? Okay? There is an added element 1150 01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:41.800 concerning Jamie of OHC being inconsistent with what he was 1151 01:03:41.800 --> 01:03:45.800 saying about the origins of SAD saying online many claim 1152 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.559 that there are sources of him stating that the subscriber 1153 01:03:48.960 --> 01:03:52.440 z K sent him the link, while other times he 1154 01:03:52.480 --> 01:03:55.840 claimed to have found the game himself on the dark Web. 1155 01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:59.119 That's the problem, uh huh, nothing really quite fits. The 1156 01:03:59.159 --> 01:04:02.239 more you dig into this story, I think this is 1157 01:04:02.440 --> 01:04:06.719 just the nature of online based conspiracies. To recap a 1158 01:04:06.760 --> 01:04:09.480 little bit here, a man named Gary Graves under the 1159 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:13.039 name z K and Scarebear allegedly sent a link to 1160 01:04:13.079 --> 01:04:16.519 the Sad Satan to the Sad Satan game to Jamie 1161 01:04:16.519 --> 01:04:21.280 of Obscure Horror Corner, which is where gameplay first appeared online. 1162 01:04:22.000 --> 01:04:24.760 Gary claimed that he wanted to see gameplay of Sad 1163 01:04:24.760 --> 01:04:28.599 Satan because he cannot play it himself for reasons unknown. 1164 01:04:29.280 --> 01:04:32.199 Nearly all of the descriptions I gave on Sad Satan 1165 01:04:32.519 --> 01:04:38.239 came from those five clips that posted before they themselves 1166 01:04:38.360 --> 01:04:43.199 ghosted that channel. Gary soon claimed that this version was 1167 01:04:43.320 --> 01:04:46.239 not the correct one, which makes no sense of course, 1168 01:04:46.400 --> 01:04:49.320 if he couldn't play or see the game himself before 1169 01:04:49.360 --> 01:04:52.599 sending the link. We mentioned all this already. Gary posted 1170 01:04:52.639 --> 01:04:55.480 the so called real game on four Chan, where people 1171 01:04:55.559 --> 01:04:58.760 found it very difficult to play due to the havoc 1172 01:04:58.800 --> 01:05:03.639 that caused their computers. Gary said, quote what you've seen 1173 01:05:03.679 --> 01:05:08.519 on YouTube isn't right don't believe that coward obscure horror corner. 1174 01:05:08.880 --> 01:05:11.840 He did not show you what was truly in this game, 1175 01:05:12.440 --> 01:05:18.039 z K. I did see some of that gameplay, and 1176 01:05:18.159 --> 01:05:22.480 both versions look identical, except certain soundscapes are different or 1177 01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:28.079 altered or come at different points in the game. Additionally, 1178 01:05:28.239 --> 01:05:32.559 this real version contains images of gore, gory bodies, and 1179 01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:37.119 child pornography. Those are the differences. It should be said 1180 01:05:37.159 --> 01:05:39.400 that those images were blurred out in the gameplay that 1181 01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:42.679 I saw, so I didn't actually see these things. Thankfully. 1182 01:05:43.440 --> 01:05:46.400 I did manage to get some vague descriptions, and probably 1183 01:05:46.440 --> 01:05:50.519 for the best. There's for example, there is a beheading, 1184 01:05:51.840 --> 01:05:55.400 a body after being run over by a truck. There's 1185 01:05:55.519 --> 01:06:00.079 a huddle child but with its head missing, and that 1186 01:06:00.119 --> 01:06:02.239 image is on the show notes because I don't think 1187 01:06:02.239 --> 01:06:05.079 it's at home. Wait what that image I sent you 1188 01:06:05.159 --> 01:06:06.000 is for the show notes? 1189 01:06:06.039 --> 01:06:06.760 A headless child? 1190 01:06:06.880 --> 01:06:09.119 Yeah, a huddled child but with his head missing. It's 1191 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:11.119 not cut off, it's just missing. It's hard to describe it. 1192 01:06:11.199 --> 01:06:12.159 You have to kind of see it. Do you know 1193 01:06:12.199 --> 01:06:15.559 what I mean? There's an wait, wait, wait, I sentity 1194 01:06:15.679 --> 01:06:16.280 is on the show notes. 1195 01:06:16.400 --> 01:06:20.360 I haven't looked wait, so it's this isn't real there pictures? 1196 01:06:20.519 --> 01:06:22.920 No, no, I don't, although I think the the other 1197 01:06:22.960 --> 01:06:25.199 ones are like the one that's the car that's run 1198 01:06:25.239 --> 01:06:27.679 over some guy. It's like an autopsy photo. It looks 1199 01:06:27.719 --> 01:06:29.519 like those are in the show notes right now. No, no, 1200 01:06:29.559 --> 01:06:31.800 not that one. I'm just describing what's in this fucked 1201 01:06:31.840 --> 01:06:34.119 up version of Sad Satan. One of those pictures, the 1202 01:06:34.159 --> 01:06:35.679 one I told you, is in the show notes. The 1203 01:06:35.679 --> 01:06:40.159 rest of you all find them yourselves. Fuck, okay, anyway, Sorry, 1204 01:06:40.159 --> 01:06:42.199 we're gonna get shucked down for this. No, no, no, no, 1205 01:06:42.760 --> 01:06:44.400 so hold on, where am i? 1206 01:06:44.519 --> 01:06:44.639 Uh? 1207 01:06:44.760 --> 01:06:47.559 Okay, there's an image that appears to be an aborted 1208 01:06:47.599 --> 01:06:50.079 fetus with tribal tattoos. Don't ask me. 1209 01:06:50.800 --> 01:06:52.480 That's that's straight out of the nineties. 1210 01:06:52.639 --> 01:06:56.880 Yeah, is that it's a tribal Of course, you make 1211 01:06:56.920 --> 01:06:59.760 a joke. I dought you were like something serious. Luckily 1212 01:06:59.800 --> 01:07:02.960 I have no descriptions of the child pornography, so thankfully 1213 01:07:03.039 --> 01:07:06.239 I don't have that now. False claims on the Internet 1214 01:07:07.039 --> 01:07:10.079 is nothing new. There are people that relish on spinning 1215 01:07:10.119 --> 01:07:13.800 a tale for some semblance of credit or spotlight, not 1216 01:07:13.880 --> 01:07:16.679 to mention the ones that have more substantial reasons, whether 1217 01:07:16.760 --> 01:07:21.320 it's advertisement or of a nefarious nature. There is one 1218 01:07:21.440 --> 01:07:24.159 question that people have had about Satan that remains for 1219 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:28.440 the most part unanswered. The first one being is oh. 1220 01:07:28.519 --> 01:07:31.039 The main one being is that who made the fucking game? 1221 01:07:31.719 --> 01:07:34.119 There are people who say that Jamie from Obscure Horror 1222 01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:37.400 Corner did it without a shadow of a doubt. These 1223 01:07:37.440 --> 01:07:40.199 people believe that he made Sad Satan and tried to 1224 01:07:40.239 --> 01:07:43.760 make it look like he discovered it online, or in 1225 01:07:43.800 --> 01:07:47.519 his case, maybe that a subscriber on his channel has 1226 01:07:47.519 --> 01:07:50.480 sent it to him, that he was generating hits on 1227 01:07:50.519 --> 01:07:54.920 his channel, which it did, or to advertise himself for 1228 01:07:55.079 --> 01:07:58.199 a future horror horror video game he was gonna make, 1229 01:07:58.599 --> 01:08:00.400 which Jamie said he was us. 1230 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:01.199 Did it? 1231 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:03.760 I mean you never as far as I know, No, 1232 01:08:03.840 --> 01:08:04.800 I know what you're about to ask. 1233 01:08:04.840 --> 01:08:07.000 Oh, No, I was just saying about his viewership. Did it? 1234 01:08:07.079 --> 01:08:09.119 I mean, did it really spike when this it did spike? 1235 01:08:10.480 --> 01:08:12.719 Or are we talking millions or no? 1236 01:08:12.719 --> 01:08:15.800 No, but significant but not like you're right, it was 1237 01:08:15.960 --> 01:08:17.159 a lot more than he's used to. 1238 01:08:17.439 --> 01:08:23.239 But not so yeah, or mister beast right, But so 1239 01:08:23.279 --> 01:08:24.680 if that's what he was trying to do, it did 1240 01:08:24.680 --> 01:08:28.079 in some sport it did. That could be a reason. 1241 01:08:32.800 --> 01:08:35.760 There are definitely holes in his narrative, though too many. 1242 01:08:35.880 --> 01:08:38.479 It is a neat explanation because if Jamie made the 1243 01:08:38.600 --> 01:08:41.920 clean and original version of Sad Satan, then he would 1244 01:08:41.920 --> 01:08:46.039 definitely want to go Internet dark once a more nefarious version, 1245 01:08:46.760 --> 01:08:49.520 the clone version was being passed around filled with the 1246 01:08:49.600 --> 01:08:53.159 child pornography, so maybe it makes sense that they went dark. 1247 01:08:53.279 --> 01:08:54.680 Yeah, he didn't want to be associated with it. 1248 01:08:54.760 --> 01:08:58.560 Right before the clone version of Sad Satan's surfaced, this 1249 01:08:58.600 --> 01:09:02.840 story barely merit any kind of real intrigue. People were 1250 01:09:02.920 --> 01:09:06.479 sure of the truth. The cloned version through a wrench 1251 01:09:07.279 --> 01:09:10.520 and made the mystery more substantial, and because it involves 1252 01:09:10.600 --> 01:09:13.800 illegal and a moral things, it is also more intriguing, 1253 01:09:14.680 --> 01:09:17.800 especially on the Internet, which brings us back to ZK. 1254 01:09:18.399 --> 01:09:22.079 It's been established that ZK scare beear scare beear ZK 1255 01:09:23.159 --> 01:09:26.439 is one person named Gary Graves from Love with Texas. 1256 01:09:26.760 --> 01:09:29.800 He pleaded guilty to viewing and obtaining child pornography on 1257 01:09:29.840 --> 01:09:32.920 his phone. He's currently in prison serving a sense of 1258 01:09:32.960 --> 01:09:34.399 no more than twenty years. 1259 01:09:34.920 --> 01:09:35.239 Good. 1260 01:09:35.359 --> 01:09:38.800 Yeah, Gary threw in that wrench onto the Sad Satan 1261 01:09:38.840 --> 01:09:43.319 mystery in the middle of ohc's release of the gameplay. 1262 01:09:43.520 --> 01:09:47.840 After the third video back in twenty fifteen, Gary posted 1263 01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:50.399 a link on four chant that led people to his 1264 01:09:50.600 --> 01:09:56.000 Sad Satan. Theoretically, his claim that OHC posted the wrong 1265 01:09:56.079 --> 01:09:59.359 game makes no sense, but it does make Gary a 1266 01:09:59.439 --> 01:10:02.520 suspect as to the creator of the original, if not 1267 01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:07.079 at least the clone version, that his mission was to 1268 01:10:07.119 --> 01:10:10.960 either claim credit or some kind of bizarre prestige for 1269 01:10:11.119 --> 01:10:14.399 having made this much talked about game, or maybe to 1270 01:10:14.560 --> 01:10:19.079 frighten and surprise people by the illegal images. Never believe 1271 01:10:19.279 --> 01:10:24.279 that a stupid motive doesn't exist, especially online. Trying to 1272 01:10:24.319 --> 01:10:27.600 capitalize on the whirlwind surrounding the clean version of Sad 1273 01:10:27.640 --> 01:10:31.079 Satan is motive enough for this sickle to make his 1274 01:10:31.199 --> 01:10:35.119 clone version, But could he have made the original as well. 1275 01:10:36.439 --> 01:10:39.079 Many people, though not as many as the ones that 1276 01:10:39.159 --> 01:10:42.680 believe Jamie did it, believe that Gary Graves is the 1277 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:47.199 author of the original, as the wiki page for Sad 1278 01:10:47.239 --> 01:10:51.479 Satan names the author as z K not Jamie. 1279 01:10:52.000 --> 01:10:52.399 Really. 1280 01:10:52.479 --> 01:10:54.800 I mean, that's just someone stating a thing we don't 1281 01:10:54.840 --> 01:10:55.880 know because it's still wiki. 1282 01:10:56.119 --> 01:10:56.600 It's not like. 1283 01:10:57.000 --> 01:11:01.720 Fact, right, So that's what it says. Who else might 1284 01:11:01.760 --> 01:11:04.520 be responsible. There are no other names to this story 1285 01:11:04.600 --> 01:11:07.319 that come close to being the author of Sad Satan. 1286 01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:10.439 Some believe that it is simply an obscure link that 1287 01:11:10.600 --> 01:11:13.319 was found in a form post on the dark Web, 1288 01:11:13.920 --> 01:11:17.039 just randomly, a place where games are rarely, if ever 1289 01:11:17.119 --> 01:11:20.439 posted to begin with, It lacks an author because it 1290 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.119 comes from the dark Web, adding another notch to the 1291 01:11:23.159 --> 01:11:27.399 mystery of the online underworld. Others say that the original 1292 01:11:27.520 --> 01:11:32.159 was intended to guide send messages and child pornography to 1293 01:11:32.319 --> 01:11:38.640 other pedophiles, a low rental cult version of a secret organization. However, 1294 01:11:39.039 --> 01:11:42.960 there is one strong contender ab yet to mention that 1295 01:11:43.039 --> 01:11:48.119 the FBI commissioned the making of Sad Satan. Oh hold on, now, yeah, 1296 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:52.199 what you would call a honeypot designed to lure pedophiles 1297 01:11:52.279 --> 01:11:55.720 or potential criminal elements to the game. That the game 1298 01:11:55.800 --> 01:11:59.960 has a backdoor program installed to track users' IP addresses, 1299 01:12:00.640 --> 01:12:03.560 which may help to explain why many people's computers right 1300 01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:08.039 were lagging and crashing after z K posted on four Chan. 1301 01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:11.680 It simplifies things for people because it makes sense that 1302 01:12:11.800 --> 01:12:15.119 Jamie could have altered the game once he found the 1303 01:12:15.159 --> 01:12:19.479 illegal contents of Sad Satan, and that a furious Gary 1304 01:12:20.039 --> 01:12:24.479 posted the real version to show others answering the who 1305 01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:28.319 greatly explains the why. Yeah, yeah, so what do you think. 1306 01:12:29.840 --> 01:12:32.399 I like that honeypot idea. That's interesting, funny, that is 1307 01:12:32.439 --> 01:12:36.840 an interesting reason for the game. I don't know. So 1308 01:12:36.880 --> 01:12:41.680 the the whole hubbabaloo hubb about the Sad Satan is 1309 01:12:43.960 --> 01:12:47.880 basically the dirty version. That's that's what gets everyone drawn 1310 01:12:47.960 --> 01:12:48.760 in the gore. 1311 01:12:49.039 --> 01:12:51.880 It adds, it adds like a very special wrinkle to it. 1312 01:12:52.000 --> 01:12:56.560 Now the child p all that stuff, that's what that's 1313 01:12:57.159 --> 01:12:58.960 is that the crux of the Sad Satan thing. Why 1314 01:12:58.960 --> 01:12:59.880 would someone create something? 1315 01:13:00.199 --> 01:13:03.439 I think that's what elevated it to a conspiracy. That's 1316 01:13:03.479 --> 01:13:05.720 what made it interesting. That's what made it big. It 1317 01:13:05.760 --> 01:13:07.079 made both versions big. 1318 01:13:07.000 --> 01:13:10.399 Really and and the fact that we can't pinpoint where 1319 01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:12.520 this correct thing came from, who made it? 1320 01:13:12.520 --> 01:13:14.359 And if we knew from the get go, this would 1321 01:13:14.359 --> 01:13:16.600 have saw itself in one day and we probably wouldn't 1322 01:13:16.600 --> 01:13:19.399 be talking about it today. Yeah, because we weren't have 1323 01:13:19.479 --> 01:13:20.359 known about it. 1324 01:13:20.600 --> 01:13:24.199 I means, listen, obviously it's fucking weird. Check the pictures 1325 01:13:24.199 --> 01:13:26.560 in the show notes and research some of the people 1326 01:13:26.600 --> 01:13:30.760 in those photos. It's horrible. I mean, these images are horrible, 1327 01:13:30.800 --> 01:13:34.840 the people are horrible. Yeah, So why would someone do that? 1328 01:13:34.960 --> 01:13:37.680 Is it an ar game? Like an alternate reality game? 1329 01:13:38.319 --> 01:13:40.800 Is it? Is there more out there that we just 1330 01:13:40.840 --> 01:13:42.560 don't know about that? 1331 01:13:42.640 --> 01:13:45.680 I I think that I can say for sure. Is 1332 01:13:45.680 --> 01:13:47.720 it from the same guy? I don't know, That's what 1333 01:13:47.800 --> 01:13:48.199 I don't know. 1334 01:13:48.640 --> 01:13:50.680 Yeah, because now you're going to have copycats and everything. 1335 01:13:53.319 --> 01:13:56.920 I think someone might have, even like Sad saying it 1336 01:13:56.960 --> 01:13:59.640 in some Persian is available to play on Steam. I 1337 01:13:59.680 --> 01:14:03.640 think that someone made because why not? Why not make money? 1338 01:14:03.680 --> 01:14:03.760 Right? 1339 01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:04.119 Why not? 1340 01:14:04.399 --> 01:14:04.640 Yeah? 1341 01:14:04.720 --> 01:14:06.960 No, sure, yeah, no, I mean by now, yes, I 1342 01:14:06.960 --> 01:14:09.199 don't know if it was now, but it was within 1343 01:14:09.319 --> 01:14:12.039 the year or two of this story breaking down, and wow, 1344 01:14:12.920 --> 01:14:14.800 oh yeah. 1345 01:14:14.079 --> 01:14:16.119 I don't know. I mean, you know, we've seen some 1346 01:14:16.159 --> 01:14:17.960 pretty weird stuff out there on YouTube. 1347 01:14:18.279 --> 01:14:20.479 Yes, you have old abandoned I mean we mentioned the 1348 01:14:20.520 --> 01:14:22.560 top of the show you posted yourself a weird thing 1349 01:14:22.600 --> 01:14:24.399 that happened in real life on YouTube recently? 1350 01:14:24.560 --> 01:14:30.600 Right, Yeah? Yeah, Santa or Aliens or you know these 1351 01:14:30.600 --> 01:14:33.880 old banded YouTube channels that were some form of art project. Yeah, 1352 01:14:33.920 --> 01:14:36.439 you know some guy made fifteen years ago and. 1353 01:14:36.520 --> 01:14:38.680 He was Honestly, what I think of is that a 1354 01:14:38.720 --> 01:14:42.159 Momo character, who was that creepy doll Momo? Yeah yeah, yeah, 1355 01:14:42.319 --> 01:14:44.239 turn out to be some guy in Italy making a 1356 01:14:44.319 --> 01:14:46.560 project and just trying to see what people would say. 1357 01:14:46.600 --> 01:14:48.760 It was like very innocent and just whatever. And he 1358 01:14:48.760 --> 01:14:50.439 took it down because it's people are too scared of it. 1359 01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:54.079 He's trying to be wholesome. Like everyone's fucking freaking out. 1360 01:14:54.840 --> 01:14:57.199 Just won't go to sleep it because of what I 1361 01:14:57.279 --> 01:15:00.000 made it. Yeah. Yeah, my kids were the same way. 1362 01:15:00.039 --> 01:15:01.439 They hated Momo. They're terrified. 1363 01:15:01.439 --> 01:15:02.479 I can see it. It's carry. 1364 01:15:03.279 --> 01:15:06.239 We actually did an episode on those viral Internet that's how. 1365 01:15:06.399 --> 01:15:07.239 That's how I remember that. 1366 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:10.119 I think we talked about Momo there. Yeah, yeah, no, 1367 01:15:10.159 --> 01:15:13.000 it's it's it is an intriguing story. Why someone would 1368 01:15:13.000 --> 01:15:16.840 do this? Obviously, there's just there's a horrible underlying theme 1369 01:15:16.920 --> 01:15:20.640 to the game with you know, yeah, injuries of children 1370 01:15:20.720 --> 01:15:24.079 and hurting children. Why would someone do that? And the sounds, 1371 01:15:24.880 --> 01:15:26.720 Oh my god. When you played the scream for me, 1372 01:15:26.840 --> 01:15:31.439 I had goosebumps all over my body. I like it. 1373 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:32.359 I mean it's interesting. 1374 01:15:32.760 --> 01:15:35.800 Are we going to have the gameplay in the show notes? No? 1375 01:15:35.960 --> 01:15:38.039 The game plan is very boring. Honestly, the soundcause I've 1376 01:15:38.039 --> 01:15:40.279 been showing you it's from the games, Like that's where 1377 01:15:40.279 --> 01:15:46.079 they're coming from. And that's better than hearing footsteps. That's 1378 01:15:46.119 --> 01:15:46.600 all it is. 1379 01:15:46.680 --> 01:15:49.079 I'm picturing like a fucked up doom. Oh. 1380 01:15:49.159 --> 01:15:50.600 I mean, you can say it's a fucked up doom, 1381 01:15:50.640 --> 01:15:53.000 but just no, you're not carrying anything, You're not healing, 1382 01:15:53.000 --> 01:15:54.520 you're not fighting anything. You know, it's crazy. 1383 01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:57.039 So then that's the whole other angle too. What's the point? 1384 01:15:57.279 --> 01:15:59.520 I know I'll get tomorrow right now, but yeah, there's 1385 01:15:59.760 --> 01:16:02.000 that's that's what's hard. Also, like it doesn't seem to 1386 01:16:02.039 --> 01:16:05.199 be a point. Wow, And that's whatever you add to it. 1387 01:16:05.199 --> 01:16:07.760 I guess that's the point kind of thing, kind of 1388 01:16:07.880 --> 01:16:11.319 I of the beholder. Now, personally, I find it difficult 1389 01:16:11.319 --> 01:16:14.359 to believe that the FBI commissioned the making of Sad Satan, 1390 01:16:14.479 --> 01:16:18.560 because Gary Graves would have been arrested for that, not 1391 01:16:18.680 --> 01:16:22.720 from his girlfriend turning him in. Nothing about Gary's online 1392 01:16:22.720 --> 01:16:26.640 activities were mentioned in his arrest report. Trying to find 1393 01:16:26.680 --> 01:16:29.600 out who the target audience is for Sad Satan goes 1394 01:16:29.640 --> 01:16:33.239 hand in hand as to who made it, which is 1395 01:16:33.279 --> 01:16:37.399 impossible to confirm. If it was Jamie from Obscure Horror Corner, 1396 01:16:37.640 --> 01:16:41.520 then it's a showcase piece of advertisement, something that generates 1397 01:16:41.560 --> 01:16:45.720 clicks and to make money in fame eventually. If it's Gary, 1398 01:16:45.880 --> 01:16:48.800 then it is the shavings of a lunatic, dumb pedophile 1399 01:16:48.840 --> 01:16:52.359 that is looking for attention. My instinct from the start 1400 01:16:52.520 --> 01:16:55.600 is that it is a warning, a politically fueled and 1401 01:16:55.720 --> 01:16:59.920 hateful warning about children being abused, either by famous people 1402 01:17:00.479 --> 01:17:02.960 or by people that were made famous by that kind 1403 01:17:03.000 --> 01:17:07.239 of abuse. Sad Satan nearly works as a harsh and 1404 01:17:07.399 --> 01:17:10.039 dark reminder to keep an eye out for the innocent, 1405 01:17:10.560 --> 01:17:15.119 especially at the hands of beloved individuals. The game feels 1406 01:17:15.159 --> 01:17:20.560 like a statement, a horror game for the uninformed about 1407 01:17:20.560 --> 01:17:23.159 the innocent. I'd be the first to admit that I'm 1408 01:17:23.159 --> 01:17:25.880 probably given this game way too much credit. But if 1409 01:17:25.880 --> 01:17:28.159 a horror game, if a horror game is meant to 1410 01:17:28.199 --> 01:17:31.880 scare you, then maybe Sad Satan did its job. It 1411 01:17:31.960 --> 01:17:36.359 is a horror game, after all. Now, moving on, a 1412 01:17:36.479 --> 01:17:41.600 question that often comes up when where about Sad Satan 1413 01:17:41.680 --> 01:17:42.840 is that where did it get its name? 1414 01:17:43.720 --> 01:17:45.520 Oh? Good, yeah, okay, this is a. 1415 01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:49.760 Fun aspect to the story. So quote the game. Sad 1416 01:17:49.800 --> 01:17:53.199 Satan apparently gets its name from the second or so 1417 01:17:53.439 --> 01:17:56.640 of audio that loops over and over doing sections of 1418 01:17:56.680 --> 01:18:02.800 the game. A backward clip led from led Zeppelin Stairway 1419 01:18:02.840 --> 01:18:07.359 to Heaven. Uh huh. Supposedly, when played in reverse, one 1420 01:18:07.479 --> 01:18:11.760 section of the song contains hidden messages in worship of Satan. 1421 01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:27.359 Now Here is that loop from the game that comes 1422 01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:31.479 from a famous led Zeppelin conspiracy long known before Sad Satan. 1423 01:18:31.960 --> 01:18:33.920 I won't play the whole song in its original form 1424 01:18:34.119 --> 01:18:36.520 or that part anyway, but the lyrics are as follows. 1425 01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.680 This is when it's played normally. If there's a bustle 1426 01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:43.760 in your hedgerow, don't be alarmed. Now, it's just a 1427 01:18:43.880 --> 01:18:47.039 spring clean for the may Queen. Yes, there are two 1428 01:18:47.079 --> 01:18:49.479 paths you can go by, but in the long run 1429 01:18:49.520 --> 01:18:52.840 there's In the long run, there's still time to change 1430 01:18:52.840 --> 01:18:57.239 the road you're on. Let's play that clip in reverse 1431 01:18:57.479 --> 01:18:59.840 and see if you catch the section it's towards the 1432 01:18:59.880 --> 01:19:25.079 end that's in the game. I know it's weird. Now 1433 01:19:25.159 --> 01:19:28.600 Here is how they are interpreted. Quote I got this 1434 01:19:28.640 --> 01:19:32.279 from an article. Quote. Oh, here's a sorry. There's this 1435 01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:36.119 transcription of what you just heard. Making sure Oh, here's 1436 01:19:36.199 --> 01:19:39.279 to my sweet Satan, the one whose little path would 1437 01:19:39.279 --> 01:19:42.840 make me sad, whose power is Satan, he will give 1438 01:19:42.920 --> 01:19:47.640 those with him six six six Yeah yeah you heard that. Yes, yeah, 1439 01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.239 there was a little tool shed where he made us 1440 01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:55.600 suffer sad Satan unquote. That's what that's saying. 1441 01:19:55.319 --> 01:19:58.640 Fucking fucked up right now, dude. I'm cleared head to toe, 1442 01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:01.520 hair is standing up the That's all I wanted I heard. 1443 01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:05.199 I would say seventy five percent what you just read 1444 01:20:05.239 --> 01:20:06.399 I heard in that Badmaster. 1445 01:20:06.720 --> 01:20:09.479 It is pretty legible. It's not like it's not a 1446 01:20:09.479 --> 01:20:11.960 big leap to go there with this song. 1447 01:20:13.560 --> 01:20:14.319 Yeah. 1448 01:20:14.479 --> 01:20:17.760 Now, Also, there's a further connection with history here because 1449 01:20:18.039 --> 01:20:18.479 who's the. 1450 01:20:18.479 --> 01:20:21.399 Lead guy in that one, Robert Plant? 1451 01:20:21.760 --> 01:20:23.600 I think it's him, one of them, one of the 1452 01:20:23.600 --> 01:20:26.680 main guys, if not him, famously dated a fourteen year 1453 01:20:26.680 --> 01:20:29.720 old girl. No, yeah, I think he married one or 1454 01:20:29.720 --> 01:20:31.920 something like very young and it was more allowed because 1455 01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:33.680 it was a seventies not allowed, but you know what 1456 01:20:33.720 --> 01:20:37.520 I mean. Uh yeah, So, like the connection is there 1457 01:20:37.720 --> 01:20:40.000 beyond just having a cool name from a reverse song. 1458 01:20:40.479 --> 01:20:43.479 So what the fuck? I didn't know Robert Plant dated 1459 01:20:43.479 --> 01:20:44.359 a fourteen year old? 1460 01:20:44.600 --> 01:20:46.960 Yeah? Yeah, I mean that happens a lot. We just 1461 01:20:47.119 --> 01:20:49.399 I just heard about Neil Gaiman, remember how things came 1462 01:20:49.479 --> 01:20:52.319 up just now Neil Gaiman, Yeah, the author, Yeah, the 1463 01:20:52.319 --> 01:20:54.840 other All these allegations are coming outgainst him right now. 1464 01:20:55.800 --> 01:20:58.600 I know. I love his books. I do too, I 1465 01:20:58.680 --> 01:21:00.359 like the I love all Nanci boys. 1466 01:21:01.560 --> 01:21:03.199 What was the HBO show. 1467 01:21:05.720 --> 01:21:08.439 American Gods American Gods the Stars? And then he also 1468 01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:11.960 did good Omens on Prime And then there was that 1469 01:21:11.960 --> 01:21:14.239 that Netflix one that's better I forgot the name of it. 1470 01:21:14.720 --> 01:21:17.239 Sandman anyway, I. 1471 01:21:17.239 --> 01:21:17.880 Don't want to go down. 1472 01:21:18.000 --> 01:21:22.119 Yeah, sorry, we'll get to that minute. I know now, Yeah, 1473 01:21:22.119 --> 01:21:24.920 I know. We're discovering as a real time folks. Anyway, 1474 01:21:25.039 --> 01:21:27.159 So that's the portion of the thing about where the 1475 01:21:27.199 --> 01:21:28.479 title comes from. 1476 01:21:28.520 --> 01:21:29.199 That's crazy. 1477 01:21:29.279 --> 01:21:32.479 It is clear, clear as day, super clear as day. 1478 01:21:33.600 --> 01:21:38.359 Shed I heard it all, so I know we're almost 1479 01:21:38.359 --> 01:21:38.800 one though. 1480 01:21:39.000 --> 01:21:40.960 No good, I want us to keep going. I love this. 1481 01:21:41.439 --> 01:21:43.600 So we are now moving on from that because there's 1482 01:21:43.640 --> 01:21:44.960 no more to that title really. 1483 01:21:45.479 --> 01:21:45.680 Uh. 1484 01:21:45.720 --> 01:21:48.079 We mentioned that this story was part of another story 1485 01:21:48.119 --> 01:21:51.239 released as a bonus episode in the past. Major parts 1486 01:21:51.279 --> 01:21:53.560 of this story has been rewritten and a couple of 1487 01:21:53.560 --> 01:21:56.760 things added, and other things omitted from the original. I 1488 01:21:56.800 --> 01:21:59.760 did discover something that no one else has even brought 1489 01:21:59.840 --> 01:22:04.600 up online regarding the Sad Satan conspiracy. Unfortunately, I could 1490 01:22:04.600 --> 01:22:07.199 not find a way to confirm it, but it gave 1491 01:22:07.239 --> 01:22:09.800 me more than a moment's pause, and I feel I 1492 01:22:09.880 --> 01:22:14.479 must share it. It's about the titling. I don't mean 1493 01:22:14.520 --> 01:22:16.239 where the title came from. We just went through that. 1494 01:22:16.319 --> 01:22:20.039 It's pretty obvious, but more about why the word sad 1495 01:22:20.079 --> 01:22:24.279 is in there. It's more than alliteration. Remember when I 1496 01:22:24.359 --> 01:22:27.439 gave the background on Gary Graves and how two years 1497 01:22:27.479 --> 01:22:31.520 prior to Sad Satan being discovered, he had his own 1498 01:22:31.560 --> 01:22:35.760 YouTube channel under scare Bear. In that channel, he posted 1499 01:22:35.760 --> 01:22:38.520 a video that again is available in the show notes, 1500 01:22:38.920 --> 01:22:45.000 titled Sad Sad Satan two sads. This alone, while odd, 1501 01:22:45.479 --> 01:22:49.399 is nothing special. Two months ago, in real life here 1502 01:22:50.159 --> 01:22:52.880 I came across this movie called Red Rooms. 1503 01:22:53.720 --> 01:22:54.640 We just watched it tonight. 1504 01:22:54.960 --> 01:22:55.680 We watched it tonight. 1505 01:22:55.720 --> 01:22:56.479 We just watched it tonight. 1506 01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:56.880 Shut up. 1507 01:22:56.920 --> 01:22:59.399 Oh great, then great, you're gonna literally just watch it. 1508 01:22:59.439 --> 01:23:01.840 You're gonna be on ago, You're gonna be honest. Then 1509 01:23:02.000 --> 01:23:04.760 it's a great mystery thriller about trial of the Century 1510 01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:07.920 and a woman that's obsessed with the killer and the crimes. 1511 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:13.800 The guy supposedly we don't know, but allegedly maybe raped, tortured, 1512 01:23:13.840 --> 01:23:17.239 and killed two teenage women while streaming it live on 1513 01:23:17.279 --> 01:23:20.600 the dark web. The Red Room's right. The movie is 1514 01:23:20.640 --> 01:23:23.560 great in my opinion, and part of what people gave 1515 01:23:23.600 --> 01:23:27.039 it credit for is having a realistic outlook into the 1516 01:23:27.119 --> 01:23:30.960 dark web and the uses of bitcoin currency and how 1517 01:23:30.960 --> 01:23:34.520 it is often used for illegal means like those murders. 1518 01:23:35.560 --> 01:23:39.880 Slight spoilers for Red Rooms, but at some point, the 1519 01:23:40.000 --> 01:23:44.479 main character, who is proficient in the online underworld, she's 1520 01:23:44.520 --> 01:23:47.359 like a hacker, gets on an auction site to buy 1521 01:23:47.359 --> 01:23:50.239 the footage of the killing of one of the teenage girls. 1522 01:23:50.960 --> 01:23:54.439 There's a countdown to the auction starting, and the page 1523 01:23:54.600 --> 01:23:57.199 looks like the screenshot I took, and it's now in 1524 01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:00.000 the show notes. It is a red and black image 1525 01:24:00.159 --> 01:24:03.000 of a young girl and at the top it says 1526 01:24:03.600 --> 01:24:10.479 thirteen year old Camille sad sad night. So this piqued 1527 01:24:10.479 --> 01:24:13.840 my interest because the only other time I've ever seen 1528 01:24:13.880 --> 01:24:16.680 the word sad use that way as a title anyway, 1529 01:24:17.079 --> 01:24:22.960 is with Sad Satan, particularly Gary Graves YouTube video Sad 1530 01:24:23.199 --> 01:24:27.640 Sad Satan. What does this fictional movie and this pedophile 1531 01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:31.039 creep have in common? Well, if Red Rooms is well 1532 01:24:31.039 --> 01:24:34.039 regarded for its accuracy into the dark web and then 1533 01:24:34.079 --> 01:24:38.680 nefarious activities that occur, did they depict something real with 1534 01:24:38.920 --> 01:24:43.039 Sad Sad Night? Gary certainly must have dipped his toes 1535 01:24:43.079 --> 01:24:46.520 into the dark web, since he could be responsible for 1536 01:24:46.600 --> 01:24:49.039 making an illegal version of Sad Satan, or at least 1537 01:24:49.079 --> 01:24:54.279 finding it. Do pedophiles recognize Sad Sad titling on the 1538 01:24:54.359 --> 01:24:57.560 dark web like something for them to look at? Like 1539 01:24:58.159 --> 01:25:00.800 gizz Yeah, yeah, I was about I said, that is 1540 01:25:00.840 --> 01:25:03.560 it their new version of the whole Pizza Manu thing 1541 01:25:03.640 --> 01:25:07.079 or the McCary thing? Exactly right? Like I said, I 1542 01:25:07.119 --> 01:25:10.239 could not confirm this whatso harbor, but man, it feels right. 1543 01:25:10.880 --> 01:25:17.000 That is wild. Yeah, that's right, said I just watched this. 1544 01:25:17.079 --> 01:25:18.279 That's great. That's a really good timing. 1545 01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:22.720 Neil has a Sad Sad Night or something? Who is 1546 01:25:22.760 --> 01:25:26.840 that a flag for other PDFs? 1547 01:25:27.079 --> 01:25:27.279 Yeah? 1548 01:25:27.520 --> 01:25:28.079 Pdf? 1549 01:25:28.560 --> 01:25:28.760 Nice? 1550 01:25:29.520 --> 01:25:34.000 Uh fuck, that's that's a crazy coincidence there. It is 1551 01:25:34.279 --> 01:25:36.039 almost feels like it's two coincidental. 1552 01:25:36.560 --> 01:25:39.000 Yeah, maybe right, I don't know. They're obviously years and 1553 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:39.600 years apart. 1554 01:25:41.600 --> 01:25:42.720 I would look into that director. 1555 01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:45.800 Maybe I did a little bit. I just couldn't find anything. 1556 01:25:45.800 --> 01:25:48.800 I just couldn't. I don't know nothing, nothing told me 1557 01:25:49.920 --> 01:25:52.079 anything like I could confirm it. I don't know, you know, 1558 01:25:52.479 --> 01:25:55.840 but what a what an angle to come up with, right. 1559 01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:57.720 It just came up really interesting. 1560 01:25:57.359 --> 01:25:59.960 Good thing I remember that movie. Now here's the final bit. 1561 01:26:01.159 --> 01:26:03.600 The way the game ends is as dark as the 1562 01:26:03.640 --> 01:26:06.399 rest of it. After a while, you come across a 1563 01:26:06.479 --> 01:26:08.920 room that you've seen earlier, which happens to be a 1564 01:26:08.960 --> 01:26:12.680 mass burial room. This time there's children standing in a 1565 01:26:12.720 --> 01:26:16.279 circle around you, including that little girl I mentioned before. 1566 01:26:16.800 --> 01:26:19.319 You continue your journey and you find that girl again 1567 01:26:19.640 --> 01:26:23.600 alone in a hallway. This time she does see you 1568 01:26:24.279 --> 01:26:27.960 and begins hurting you and chasing you as you run. 1569 01:26:28.359 --> 01:26:31.640 You take enough damage and you die. Since the game 1570 01:26:31.680 --> 01:26:35.199 offers no way to defend yourself or heal yourself, kind 1571 01:26:35.199 --> 01:26:38.159 of like a revenge for maybe being the adult in 1572 01:26:38.159 --> 01:26:41.560 a place where children have suffered. Does that imply that 1573 01:26:41.600 --> 01:26:44.560 the character you play is an abuser? Who can say? 1574 01:26:48.159 --> 01:26:51.039 It? Certainly sounds like it, And the little girl finally 1575 01:26:51.039 --> 01:26:53.359 gets revenge. Now, this is the little girl that has that. 1576 01:26:53.359 --> 01:26:56.600 Horrible se yes, oh god, yeah, it. 1577 01:26:56.600 --> 01:26:59.359 Certainly does feel like that you are the aggressor, you 1578 01:26:59.399 --> 01:27:03.760 are the abuse her, and the victim finally gets her revenge, 1579 01:27:04.359 --> 01:27:06.560 which kind of puts a whole new different twist or 1580 01:27:07.039 --> 01:27:10.119 a light on that the game. Yeah, it's fucked up. 1581 01:27:10.119 --> 01:27:13.960 But at the end, do the victims prevail? Is it 1582 01:27:14.000 --> 01:27:14.600 a positive? 1583 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:18.560 I don't know who could say? Who could say? Man, 1584 01:27:18.720 --> 01:27:19.720 that's what I got. 1585 01:27:19.880 --> 01:27:22.600 Sad satan? What a what an interesting topic? 1586 01:27:22.680 --> 01:27:22.840 Man? 1587 01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:25.920 Yeah, it not to be a really fun, really fun, 1588 01:27:25.960 --> 01:27:29.000 obviously completely bullshit also kind of story, but it's a 1589 01:27:29.079 --> 01:27:30.079 lot of stuff in it. 1590 01:27:30.119 --> 01:27:32.720 There really is, And yeah, just check the show notes 1591 01:27:32.760 --> 01:27:35.319 to see, uh, to see some fucked up shit. 1592 01:27:36.560 --> 01:27:39.000 Yeah, use that clip of the screaming as your RINGTEL 1593 01:27:39.399 --> 01:27:39.800 find with that. 1594 01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:43.000 I want it directly, we were saying when you let 1595 01:27:43.039 --> 01:27:45.880 me listen, because I mean, I feel bad for Oscar 1596 01:27:45.960 --> 01:27:49.199 because oh no, every clip you heard I would listen 1597 01:27:49.239 --> 01:27:50.800 to as we're recording. 1598 01:27:50.880 --> 01:27:52.840 Because I wanted fresh for you, you know, I wanted 1599 01:27:52.840 --> 01:27:53.720 you to have a real time. 1600 01:27:53.840 --> 01:27:55.479 No, I appreciate it, but now you've got to edit 1601 01:27:55.520 --> 01:27:57.840 all that out to make it seamless. So I feel bad, 1602 01:27:57.880 --> 01:28:01.960 But yeah, you're letting me listen to those those clips 1603 01:28:01.960 --> 01:28:06.319 as we're recording here, and yeah, it's hard to listen 1604 01:28:06.359 --> 01:28:08.920 to It's hard to listen to the Led Zeppelin stuff. 1605 01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:10.520 Love it right, love that. 1606 01:28:10.640 --> 01:28:12.560 I've never been a huge Zeppelin fan, but I don't 1607 01:28:12.600 --> 01:28:15.279 have that connection to Zeppelin. But there's still a big thing. Yeah, 1608 01:28:15.439 --> 01:28:16.439 for sure, I definitely. 1609 01:28:16.239 --> 01:28:17.840 Know them, especially I mean stereoid to hea It. 1610 01:28:17.880 --> 01:28:20.399 I mean, that's the biggest song, one of the iconic songs, 1611 01:28:20.439 --> 01:28:22.159 top ten of all time for a lot of people, right, 1612 01:28:22.840 --> 01:28:24.920 you know, so you could take a poll on that. 1613 01:28:24.840 --> 01:28:26.279 And that shit was clear as day. 1614 01:28:27.760 --> 01:28:29.520 So it's hard to say, like obviously what you think. 1615 01:28:29.560 --> 01:28:31.039 You know, there's no end of that cap for this, 1616 01:28:31.079 --> 01:28:33.640 there's no solution. We don't know who the author is. 1617 01:28:33.720 --> 01:28:36.720 We'll never know. Probably it's also probably not that important. 1618 01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:39.960 It looks more like a cheap stunt that happened to 1619 01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:42.640 be fun to research, and it has a lot of 1620 01:28:42.640 --> 01:28:45.960 interesting connections of crime and debauchery and conspiracy that we 1621 01:28:46.119 --> 01:28:49.960 love to enlighten here. So I don't think it's like 1622 01:28:50.239 --> 01:28:52.560 we lose or gain anything from this, you know. No, 1623 01:28:52.640 --> 01:28:54.640 it's like personally, if another one comes up, then we 1624 01:28:54.640 --> 01:28:57.159 can rehash this. But otherwise put it in the bed. 1625 01:28:57.279 --> 01:28:58.000 Yeah, that's it. 1626 01:28:58.039 --> 01:28:59.680 Moving on to the next episode exactly. 1627 01:29:00.239 --> 01:29:02.039 And I mean that that's what we like to. 1628 01:29:02.319 --> 01:29:04.319 I mean, we have drones to worry about. Here another 1629 01:29:04.359 --> 01:29:06.560 thing too, we have we have bigger fish to fry. 1630 01:29:06.600 --> 01:29:10.399 Okay, but we research what what's fun withhn't? 1631 01:29:10.479 --> 01:29:11.199 Yes, exactly. 1632 01:29:11.319 --> 01:29:13.880 Some some you like, some you don't like. It's okay. 1633 01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:17.159 There'll be a next episode next month, another episode next month. 1634 01:29:17.239 --> 01:29:20.079 So no, good job, thank you. I hope I hope 1635 01:29:20.079 --> 01:29:20.920 the listeners like it. 1636 01:29:21.039 --> 01:29:21.720 I hope so too. 1637 01:29:21.800 --> 01:29:24.119 I liked it. I like this whiskey. 1638 01:29:24.439 --> 01:29:25.880 Me too, Man, I really love this whiske. I'm gonna 1639 01:29:25.880 --> 01:29:27.000 startdrinking at it right now. 1640 01:29:26.880 --> 01:29:29.840 And maybe on the outtakes we'll talk about red rooms 1641 01:29:29.880 --> 01:29:30.439 for a little bit. 1642 01:29:30.560 --> 01:29:31.439 Yes, let's do that. 1643 01:29:32.199 --> 01:29:32.760 Are we done? 1644 01:29:32.880 --> 01:29:35.960 Are we done? Should I take you Jay? Take us home? 1645 01:29:36.920 --> 01:29:59.279 I am taking you home. 1646 01:30:01.159 --> 01:30:07.800 I just mean it's shady. I just it just felt shady. 1647 01:30:07.840 --> 01:30:11.119 I didn't actually smell anything. I didn't smell anything. I 1648 01:30:11.119 --> 01:30:13.439 couldn't tell anything. Nothing was ticking or whatever, you. 1649 01:30:13.399 --> 01:30:15.960 Know, so nothing was sticky. Thank god. 1650 01:30:16.079 --> 01:30:18.479 All right, that's the That's what I was looking for, 1651 01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:21.640 because modern bombs do be ticking. 1652 01:30:22.880 --> 01:30:25.159 No, I wanted to. There's a QR code on this 1653 01:30:26.000 --> 01:30:29.279 bourbon nosing thing, and I downloaded an app and it's 1654 01:30:29.319 --> 01:30:29.880 like a trial. 1655 01:30:29.920 --> 01:30:33.000 It's oh, that's so annoying. I already I already hate 1656 01:30:33.039 --> 01:30:40.560 this gift. I everything. I want nothing to do with it. 1657 01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:48.800 What do you remember about that old show? I mean 1658 01:30:49.039 --> 01:30:50.760 the sad saying. Do you remember things about it? 1659 01:30:52.079 --> 01:30:53.279 I remember screaming. 1660 01:30:54.359 --> 01:30:55.199 Everyone remembers that. 1661 01:30:55.199 --> 01:30:56.680 That's definitely answered. I remember this. 1662 01:30:56.760 --> 01:31:00.640 That's definitely in there. Don't worry, stop worrying, it's in there. 1663 01:31:02.880 --> 01:31:04.399 How many times I have to tell you it's in there? 1664 01:31:06.840 --> 01:31:09.920 I got that been recording. You sound good, Actually say 1665 01:31:09.960 --> 01:31:11.000 something else to make sure. 1666 01:31:12.760 --> 01:31:16.880 Some of these smells aren't smelling in this bourbon nosing kit. 1667 01:31:17.239 --> 01:31:19.199 I do immediately regrad asking you to talk. 1668 01:31:19.520 --> 01:31:22.960 Because it's wrapped, unlapped. It that one is wrapped. 1669 01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:24.960 The lens cap was on. 1670 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:31.119 Could you hear me? Okay? Right, Devanilla smells good. 1671 01:31:31.760 --> 01:31:33.239 First, before I tell you that, I have to tell 1672 01:31:33.239 --> 01:31:35.399 you the story of what my roommate and I got 1673 01:31:35.439 --> 01:31:39.319 each other, because on Christmas. You know this, how nerd 1674 01:31:39.359 --> 01:31:41.600 we are? We have a Google doctor. We can both see. 1675 01:31:43.159 --> 01:31:45.760 Shut the fuck up. Why are you laughing. It's supposed 1676 01:31:45.760 --> 01:31:46.960 to be Christmas making. 1677 01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:50.079 Hold on, you'll like this. You you said you have 1678 01:31:50.159 --> 01:31:53.199 a prime wishless account that your wife watched the thing. 1679 01:31:53.279 --> 01:31:57.920 So so yeah, it's it's not meant for Christmas. It's 1680 01:31:57.960 --> 01:32:00.880 meant to put things in there that I want to 1681 01:32:00.880 --> 01:32:01.119 get it. 1682 01:32:01.159 --> 01:32:01.680 Then I take it back. 1683 01:32:01.680 --> 01:32:04.079 I want to get an arcade down here. Cool. I 1684 01:32:04.119 --> 01:32:07.800 found an arcade on Amazon are often put it is. 1685 01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:11.479 It's a little bit smaller than an actual arcade, but 1686 01:32:11.560 --> 01:32:13.720 still well, yes, because it has like Mortal all the 1687 01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:15.479 Mortal Kombat's down there in a couple other games. 1688 01:32:15.520 --> 01:32:16.800 Yeah, when you go to the story, you just have 1689 01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:17.479 to measure with your. 1690 01:32:17.479 --> 01:32:19.960 Hyd right, it's a Jason height. 1691 01:32:21.079 --> 01:32:24.239 Sorry, I just went there because you said something. Anyway, 1692 01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:27.680 So we have the Google doc where in different tiers, 1693 01:32:27.720 --> 01:32:32.359 so from you know, up to twenty five dollars Lego sets, 1694 01:32:32.520 --> 01:32:34.720 and then from twenty five to fifty that we want, 1695 01:32:35.039 --> 01:32:37.439 mind you, and then fifty to seventy five, seventy five 1696 01:32:37.439 --> 01:32:39.159 to one hundred and then one hundred plus and one 1697 01:32:39.199 --> 01:32:42.119 hundred plus could be up to whatever the most expensive onness, 1698 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:46.279 and on Christmas we get each other a set in 1699 01:32:46.399 --> 01:32:48.119 the one before the light of the final one, so 1700 01:32:48.159 --> 01:32:50.600 seventy five to one hundred range. And we have a 1701 01:32:50.800 --> 01:32:52.239 like I said, we have a list, I pick one, 1702 01:32:52.279 --> 01:32:54.039 and she doesn't want I'm picking. She picked something. I 1703 01:32:54.079 --> 01:32:57.520 don't know what she's picking. She picked the Bumblebee Transformers 1704 01:32:57.560 --> 01:32:58.119 one for me. 1705 01:32:58.199 --> 01:32:59.239 Remember you mentioned that. 1706 01:32:59.119 --> 01:33:01.960 She gave that to me, But my mom also got 1707 01:33:02.000 --> 01:33:05.960 me that on Christmas, so obviously the wires were crossed there. 1708 01:33:06.880 --> 01:33:09.119 So what I ended up doing is that it's just 1709 01:33:09.119 --> 01:33:11.000 not to be great because I went to Schomberg to 1710 01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:14.840 the Lego store there in Woodfield, sorry, and I went 1711 01:33:14.880 --> 01:33:16.680 there to return it and exchange it and see what 1712 01:33:16.680 --> 01:33:19.319 I can find for thirty dollars more. At that time, 1713 01:33:19.600 --> 01:33:22.640 I was able to get a set that is discontinued 1714 01:33:22.680 --> 01:33:27.279 online already, So it's the Icons Disney's Villain Villain set. 1715 01:33:27.479 --> 01:33:28.880 It's like all the villain stuff. So it was like 1716 01:33:28.880 --> 01:33:32.760 a VHS version of Aladdin Jafar and then Ursula with 1717 01:33:32.760 --> 01:33:36.000 her thing and they aloisoned Apple from It's like all it. 1718 01:33:36.000 --> 01:33:39.039 It made to look like a bookshelf. It's like this high. 1719 01:33:39.319 --> 01:33:39.960 It's pretty good. 1720 01:33:39.960 --> 01:33:41.640 Did you do a build on TikTok No? 1721 01:33:41.680 --> 01:33:43.239 I haven't done that yet yet. No, not yet. I'm 1722 01:33:43.279 --> 01:33:44.960 doing I'm doing like three others. I'm doing the bumb 1723 01:33:45.000 --> 01:33:46.880 movie right now. I'm shooting that, I'm shooting all these 1724 01:33:46.920 --> 01:33:49.920 other things. But yes, I think it's all bullshit. I 1725 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:52.000 think it's I think it's fake. Everything on TikTok is 1726 01:33:52.079 --> 01:33:54.760 fucking fake or ai you know what I mean. 1727 01:33:55.399 --> 01:33:56.720 I said, get rid of it. I don't think there's 1728 01:33:56.720 --> 01:33:58.039 any point to it. Get rid of it. 1729 01:33:58.079 --> 01:34:01.600 So legit. You're both right and wrong in the sense 1730 01:34:01.760 --> 01:34:04.960 the right and everything is said. You're right, I'm sure 1731 01:34:05.000 --> 01:34:08.319 you are. What you're wrong in is that you are 1732 01:34:08.359 --> 01:34:11.560 being completely guided to have very specific types of videos 1733 01:34:11.560 --> 01:34:15.079 pop up on your feed. You are. I get very different. 1734 01:34:15.199 --> 01:34:17.039 I see a lot of other people's feed. They get 1735 01:34:17.079 --> 01:34:18.720 a lot of weird shit. I don't get that. I 1736 01:34:18.760 --> 01:34:20.159 get a lot of cute fucking. 1737 01:34:19.840 --> 01:34:21.680 Cat videos really, Oh no, not me. 1738 01:34:22.279 --> 01:34:23.960 I get a lot of cue animals. I also get 1739 01:34:23.960 --> 01:34:26.960 a lot of like real nature stuff like blinds attacking zebos. 1740 01:34:27.119 --> 01:34:32.239 I also get a lot of like engineering degree stuff 1741 01:34:32.399 --> 01:34:34.279 that I looked up before, just randomly on some of 1742 01:34:34.279 --> 01:34:36.079 them that look really interesting. They're real as far as 1743 01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:38.840 I know. So yeah, I get very different things. 1744 01:34:38.840 --> 01:34:40.399 Than you do. So what is it. Do you think 1745 01:34:40.479 --> 01:34:43.319 it's taking because I use Jason Knight, So do you 1746 01:34:43.319 --> 01:34:45.960 think it literally searched my name, found the Supernatural Current 1747 01:34:46.000 --> 01:34:46.760 Studies podcast and. 1748 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:50.520 Put your age in. Yeah. Also the fact that you're 1749 01:34:50.600 --> 01:34:52.239 you know, the way you talk about it, you probably 1750 01:34:52.279 --> 01:34:56.399 mentioned your disdain for TikTok, maybe has immediately pagaged some 1751 01:34:56.399 --> 01:34:59.000 sort of anti culture kind of old man. I don't know, 1752 01:34:59.119 --> 01:35:01.560 I don't know what it's doing. I'm just saying that 1753 01:35:02.760 --> 01:35:04.239 you're right, but you're also wrong. 1754 01:35:04.720 --> 01:35:06.119 No, I get it, And I know there's people who 1755 01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:07.600 make a living out there and stuff. 1756 01:35:07.319 --> 01:35:10.079 Like oh yeah, I mean I also post. I mean, 1757 01:35:10.119 --> 01:35:12.760 I you know, they say a thing like one person 1758 01:35:12.840 --> 01:35:15.399 tried this out and I looked up her account. It 1759 01:35:15.399 --> 01:35:17.159 it was real. I don't know if what she said 1760 01:35:17.239 --> 01:35:18.880 was real, because you don't know for sure either, but 1761 01:35:19.359 --> 01:35:21.600 what she said is that there's like a saying that 1762 01:35:21.640 --> 01:35:24.600 if you post every day, no matter what on TikTok, 1763 01:35:25.239 --> 01:35:28.880 you can generate income. Almost it doesn't matter what you're posting, 1764 01:35:29.039 --> 01:35:32.920 because that's all inconsequential. Fame on TikTok is or fame 1765 01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:36.840 online is it's so inconsequential. We've lamented in the years 1766 01:35:36.960 --> 01:35:40.159 of doing this show where we see like how did 1767 01:35:40.159 --> 01:35:41.800 this guy make millions of dollars? All he does is 1768 01:35:41.800 --> 01:35:43.279 talk about action figure, you know, I mean, like, how 1769 01:35:43.840 --> 01:35:45.520 does that happen? Like, because it's all in a weird, 1770 01:35:46.039 --> 01:35:47.960 random vacuum. You don't know what's going to blow up 1771 01:35:48.039 --> 01:35:51.439 or when with who. Nobody can ever predict that, right, 1772 01:35:51.800 --> 01:35:53.960 so that that same applies to TikTok. But it's all 1773 01:35:53.960 --> 01:35:56.680 this One girl said, like, you know, she heard if 1774 01:35:56.720 --> 01:35:59.359 you apply every or make a video every day and 1775 01:35:59.399 --> 01:36:03.000 post it one to day, you can generate some money. 1776 01:36:03.039 --> 01:36:04.600 And she did. She did say, like, yes, I did 1777 01:36:04.600 --> 01:36:06.800 actually make some money. It just didn't make nothing to 1778 01:36:06.880 --> 01:36:09.680 live on, nothing, nothing like that at all. But like 1779 01:36:10.000 --> 01:36:12.880 there is something to that, but not exactly the way 1780 01:36:12.920 --> 01:36:16.479 people are saying either, because obviously people will be doing 1781 01:36:16.520 --> 01:36:17.600 it more often. 1782 01:36:18.720 --> 01:36:19.159 Interesting. 1783 01:36:19.239 --> 01:36:23.760 Yeah, so's it's hard to it's hard to make sense 1784 01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:24.960 of it. I get it. 1785 01:36:25.079 --> 01:36:27.359 I just remember so many times that Talia came to 1786 01:36:27.359 --> 01:36:29.760 me or Nico came to me now now Nico and 1787 01:36:29.880 --> 01:36:32.479 asked me about stuff that they saw on TikTok, Like, Dad, 1788 01:36:32.560 --> 01:36:34.000 is this real? Do you think it's true? 1789 01:36:34.039 --> 01:36:35.920 Is there you can you think of an example that 1790 01:36:36.119 --> 01:36:38.199 something that's blatantly falls that they thought was true. 1791 01:36:38.239 --> 01:36:41.359 It's been, it's been. It's been a while. But no, 1792 01:36:41.760 --> 01:36:42.239 I can't. 1793 01:36:42.880 --> 01:36:45.239 But you let them on it, right I do. 1794 01:36:45.600 --> 01:36:50.159 Yeah, Nico's is monitored. Talia's, I mean she's sixteen, you know, 1795 01:36:51.880 --> 01:36:55.760 Katie still she watches. But is that really good? 1796 01:36:55.800 --> 01:36:55.960 Yeah? 1797 01:36:56.119 --> 01:36:59.239 They taste like think about pancakes with butter and syrup. 1798 01:36:59.279 --> 01:37:00.319 That's what that tastes like to me. 1799 01:37:01.319 --> 01:37:04.279 I can see some of that they did good. 1800 01:37:05.079 --> 01:37:07.800 Yeah, just blatant bullshit stuff And do you think it's real? 1801 01:37:08.479 --> 01:37:09.920 Don't believe it? Don't believe that? Ship. 1802 01:37:10.000 --> 01:37:12.039 Well, that's the downside of you know, we talked about 1803 01:37:12.920 --> 01:37:16.640 how technology or certain parts of technology like your phone 1804 01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:18.880 or whatever, is an extension of Nico's body and he 1805 01:37:18.880 --> 01:37:21.359 can use it much better. This is also the downside 1806 01:37:21.359 --> 01:37:21.920 of that, is that. 1807 01:37:24.520 --> 01:37:27.279 Yeah, but of of course when I and when I 1808 01:37:27.319 --> 01:37:29.359 pick up TikTok, he gets banned, So there you go. 1809 01:37:29.960 --> 01:37:32.159 Yeah, that dude, that's the first thing I thought of 1810 01:37:32.760 --> 01:37:34.960 was you. I almost texted you and stuff, and like, 1811 01:37:35.039 --> 01:37:39.399 what the fuck did you do? Jay? You call the 1812 01:37:39.399 --> 01:37:45.079 get off elon Commission and fucking I don't know that's 1813 01:37:45.119 --> 01:37:47.199 what you see. You started fucking what do you call it? 1814 01:37:50.560 --> 01:37:53.760 Oh man, what is that political thing where people give 1815 01:37:53.840 --> 01:37:58.880 money to congressman bobbying? You start a lobbying for it. 1816 01:37:58.920 --> 01:38:00.720 I can think of the word here. 1817 01:38:00.800 --> 01:38:02.840 Let's let's just just for the S, S and G. 1818 01:38:02.920 --> 01:38:05.600 It's just two seconds. Let's see what is it? My 1819 01:38:05.640 --> 01:38:11.760 fee cop tries to arrest undercover FBI agent. This motherfucker 1820 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:13.960 is not an FBI agent. Okay, it's all bullshit. 1821 01:38:14.359 --> 01:38:18.199 I've seen those before first missions. 1822 01:38:20.560 --> 01:38:24.119 So the aliens have landed in the golf of Mexico. Yet, no, 1823 01:38:24.199 --> 01:38:26.840 they didn't. They did not land in the golf of Mexico. 1824 01:38:26.960 --> 01:38:31.399 Shut up, everybody, language, we studying it. 1825 01:38:31.600 --> 01:38:34.840 Okay, maybe that guy's Are these UFOs proof that we're 1826 01:38:34.840 --> 01:38:37.479 in a simulation? No, we're not in a fucking simulation. 1827 01:38:37.640 --> 01:38:43.319 And it's really questionable if there's UFOs now, large organic 1828 01:38:43.439 --> 01:38:47.640 mothership at Walmart oscar tracking at the end, this is 1829 01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:53.920 a large organic mothership at Walmart. It's not. It's bullshit. Okay, 1830 01:38:53.960 --> 01:38:57.119 so bullshit? Oh is this the age one? 1831 01:38:57.159 --> 01:38:57.319 Now? 1832 01:38:57.560 --> 01:38:59.880 Wait, wait, hold on, wait, I'm gonna fay with on 1833 01:38:59.880 --> 01:39:02.159 my I'm not show you that someone who uses the phrase, 1834 01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:05.560 it is what it is. Trust me, they are dangerous. 1835 01:39:05.840 --> 01:39:08.840 Yeah, that's not Matthew McConney saying that it's AI. Yeah, 1836 01:39:08.840 --> 01:39:10.319 it's bullshit, of course, bullshit. 1837 01:39:10.439 --> 01:39:13.720 Now, by the way, all of this is originated, and 1838 01:39:13.760 --> 01:39:15.680 there's a lot more on Facebook. By the way, all 1839 01:39:15.720 --> 01:39:16.600 this is on there too. 1840 01:39:16.560 --> 01:39:18.000 Is it really? Oh yeah, worse than this? 1841 01:39:18.359 --> 01:39:20.039 About the same, I would say, so, I look, maybe 1842 01:39:20.079 --> 01:39:21.239 not worse, but about the same. 1843 01:39:21.279 --> 01:39:24.560 Ten videos. I would bet my life seven of them 1844 01:39:24.560 --> 01:39:24.880 were fake. 1845 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:27.800 Here's mine. It's just so much different. I mean some 1846 01:39:27.920 --> 01:39:29.680 of that is in here too, but not much. 1847 01:39:29.600 --> 01:39:31.520 So it's just TikTok or Facebook gen X. 1848 01:39:31.560 --> 01:39:33.800 This is a skit gen X in nineteen ninety five 1849 01:39:33.840 --> 01:39:36.279 about comparisons of generations. So it's just funny. I'm not 1850 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:40.199 which I know obviously that's trying to add for sabanth Bro. 1851 01:39:40.279 --> 01:39:41.680 We watched the first episode tonight. 1852 01:39:42.199 --> 01:39:44.840 I saw it at three in the morning. Fuck you're crazy, No, 1853 01:39:44.960 --> 01:39:48.840 you're crazy. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Another skit, 1854 01:39:49.239 --> 01:39:52.359 I'm dealing with a bipolar man. Another podcast of two 1855 01:39:52.359 --> 01:39:55.439 guys talking about funny shit, like they just do snippets 1856 01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:58.520 from their shows. There our seven billion people in the world. Everyone, 1857 01:39:58.640 --> 01:40:00.439 this is a show. This is a scampana show, not 1858 01:40:00.479 --> 01:40:03.199 a news article, TV show or a movie they're promoting. 1859 01:40:03.720 --> 01:40:08.720 I know it is because just describing a movie family 1860 01:40:08.760 --> 01:40:09.279 guy skid. 1861 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:10.600 Okay, I get it. 1862 01:40:10.680 --> 01:40:14.319 I don't get anything like fake news. 1863 01:40:13.560 --> 01:40:16.600 Wow, that's interesting, man, yea, we should do something on 1864 01:40:16.640 --> 01:40:17.840 that because that's interesting. 1865 01:40:17.880 --> 01:40:19.960 We've done the algorithm chats before. 1866 01:40:20.800 --> 01:40:22.880 Well no, did we know? No? 1867 01:40:23.039 --> 01:40:25.479 Not like not like whenmember we talked about like, oh, 1868 01:40:25.560 --> 01:40:27.840 let's see if we can summon our own product placement 1869 01:40:27.920 --> 01:40:30.640 by mentioning. That's like what we did. Okay, it didn't 1870 01:40:30.640 --> 01:40:32.319 work out. I don't think we never touched back, but 1871 01:40:32.680 --> 01:40:35.119 never did. It's right, but you remember, you're right, that 1872 01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:39.920 was but it wasn't like a real in depth thing. Also, 1873 01:40:40.119 --> 01:40:41.640 what did you hate about sevens? 1874 01:40:42.720 --> 01:40:44.359 Dude? It's just one of those shows. 1875 01:40:44.199 --> 01:40:45.680 It just it just came back. I mean, how do 1876 01:40:45.720 --> 01:40:46.640 you know you're gonna hate it? 1877 01:40:46.680 --> 01:40:49.319 You have to watch it because I could tell already 1878 01:40:49.319 --> 01:40:50.920 that it's gonna be one of those shows, just like 1879 01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:54.119 the first season where it's just gonna leave you hanging. 1880 01:40:54.119 --> 01:40:56.880 It's just gonna leave you hanging. It's gonna get stranger 1881 01:40:56.920 --> 01:40:59.479 and stranger, and you're gonna begging for answers. 1882 01:40:59.760 --> 01:41:02.119 Never I guarantee, well no, I mean, I mean yes, 1883 01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:04.279 but like it's a puzzle show. What did you expect 1884 01:41:04.800 --> 01:41:08.319 answers some answers. Wait, Wait, first of all, I mean 1885 01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:10.359 I don't have the wherewithal right now to give you 1886 01:41:10.399 --> 01:41:13.000 a point by point thank I would. 1887 01:41:12.399 --> 01:41:14.239 You got to catch up. There's because even we. 1888 01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:15.720 Were well no, I saw the first episod. 1889 01:41:15.720 --> 01:41:16.319 We were hooked. 1890 01:41:16.479 --> 01:41:17.439 I saw the first episode. 1891 01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:19.520 No, no, you got to catch up from the last season, Like, 1892 01:41:19.800 --> 01:41:21.399 do you remember everything that happened the last season? 1893 01:41:21.399 --> 01:41:22.159 I saw it last week. 1894 01:41:23.119 --> 01:41:24.760 Well, Katy and I were looking at the whole thing 1895 01:41:24.800 --> 01:41:27.000 when we saw the recap, We're like, I don't remember 1896 01:41:27.039 --> 01:41:30.119 any of this. You know, Oh I did so. And 1897 01:41:30.159 --> 01:41:33.600 then you know this first one fucking completely off the wall, weird. 1898 01:41:34.359 --> 01:41:35.640 Like it's always been that weird. 1899 01:41:35.720 --> 01:41:37.560 I like off the wall and weird as long as 1900 01:41:37.600 --> 01:41:39.880 I know there's a payoff coming there. And I know 1901 01:41:40.079 --> 01:41:42.720 there is no payoff coming, dude, I either guarantee it. 1902 01:41:43.359 --> 01:41:46.079 Let's let's let's do a friendly wager. I don't know, 1903 01:41:46.600 --> 01:41:47.359 well I don't. 1904 01:41:47.399 --> 01:41:49.479 I mean, if you're sad to hate something, and then 1905 01:41:49.520 --> 01:41:52.119 the wager and if two of them saying, if you're 1906 01:41:52.279 --> 01:41:54.319 the wager is that you're gonna not hate it by them, 1907 01:41:54.319 --> 01:41:55.520 I mean you, that's up to you. 1908 01:41:55.640 --> 01:41:57.479 My wager is there's gonna be no payoff. 1909 01:41:57.760 --> 01:42:00.239 Oh I mean okay. First of all, I die again. 1910 01:42:00.279 --> 01:42:02.560 I don't have all the information I had to give 1911 01:42:02.560 --> 01:42:04.039 you a point by point thing. I would love to. 1912 01:42:04.159 --> 01:42:08.159 But I know for a fact that half the mysteries 1913 01:42:08.159 --> 01:42:10.199 of this first season were solved in the first season. 1914 01:42:10.359 --> 01:42:12.560 It's just that they then ask more questions based on 1915 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:14.880 the answers they give you, and I think that's what 1916 01:42:14.960 --> 01:42:17.800 a good puzzle box is. They increase the world. They 1917 01:42:18.159 --> 01:42:21.680 expanded as it goes along. I just saw the season 1918 01:42:21.720 --> 01:42:25.560 finale of Silo season two. That's another puzzle box show 1919 01:42:25.800 --> 01:42:28.359 and sci fi. It's it's awesome. I love it. I 1920 01:42:28.399 --> 01:42:30.399 was so worried everything hind you in the last episode, 1921 01:42:30.439 --> 01:42:32.720 because that's how they are. Puzzle boxes always hand on 1922 01:42:32.760 --> 01:42:35.199 the left final episode, and I thought, I did wonderful. 1923 01:42:35.279 --> 01:42:37.159 What it did is it opened up the world further. 1924 01:42:37.520 --> 01:42:40.119 But almost all the questions I had about some of 1925 01:42:40.159 --> 01:42:42.239 the stuff, not everything, because they can't answer everything. Yeah, 1926 01:42:43.159 --> 01:42:46.720 was explained, was answered, and that's that's how Severn's felt 1927 01:42:46.720 --> 01:42:49.680 to me in season one. But again, I don't know. 1928 01:42:49.720 --> 01:42:53.199 I mean, maybe wait, maybe, maybe wait until the season's 1929 01:42:53.239 --> 01:42:55.279 over and then try watching a few more and that 1930 01:42:55.319 --> 01:42:57.920 wait week by week, and maybe maybe that would be 1931 01:42:57.920 --> 01:43:00.359 more enjoyable for me, for you, it could, because puzzle 1932 01:43:00.359 --> 01:43:01.000 boxes are hard. 1933 01:43:01.039 --> 01:43:03.439 We're not going to stop. Yeah, but I could already. 1934 01:43:03.640 --> 01:43:05.159 I just I have a feeling. 1935 01:43:05.279 --> 01:43:06.720 It's just that it's way too early for me to 1936 01:43:06.760 --> 01:43:09.359 say this sucks. This season sucks. It's way too early 1937 01:43:09.359 --> 01:43:09.560 for me. 1938 01:43:09.640 --> 01:43:11.000 Yeah. No, you're right, You're right. 1939 01:43:11.119 --> 01:43:13.680 So that's just my opinion. But I hope you get 1940 01:43:13.680 --> 01:43:16.159 back into it because I'm not like afraid from it 1941 01:43:16.199 --> 01:43:18.359 at all. I'm like, I want to see what's next. Yeah, 1942 01:43:18.439 --> 01:43:20.720 I saw the episode. I saw what Mark did. I 1943 01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:22.439 think a lot of I think a lot of people 1944 01:43:22.479 --> 01:43:25.319 are lying to his face. The whole Helly thing. That 1945 01:43:25.399 --> 01:43:27.439 was a wonderful angle. I did not see the coming. 1946 01:43:27.720 --> 01:43:30.279 Is it actually Helly? Is it is it? Has it 1947 01:43:30.319 --> 01:43:33.479 been any Helly or Audi Helly? Like like, I don't 1948 01:43:33.520 --> 01:43:36.319 think we've been seeing Helly this episode, you know. I'm saying, like, 1949 01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:38.000 there's so many great ways you can think about it. 1950 01:43:38.039 --> 01:43:40.279 I can't wait to find out what happens, like, I 1951 01:43:40.279 --> 01:43:42.319 think that answer will get by in the season. 1952 01:43:42.359 --> 01:43:45.119 Did we find out an episode season in season one 1953 01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:47.560 that Patricia Arquet was his wife? 1954 01:43:48.600 --> 01:43:50.840 No? No, patrillar Hare was no one's wife. 1955 01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:53.119 They said it was his wife in this episode the 1956 01:43:53.119 --> 01:43:54.279 first episode of season two. 1957 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:55.479 Who said that. 1958 01:43:57.399 --> 01:44:00.840 When one of the characters whose wife No, yeah, yeah, 1959 01:44:00.840 --> 01:44:05.840 that Patricia the first Cobell Cobell, Yeah, Cobell was Remember 1960 01:44:05.880 --> 01:44:08.359 Cobel kind of had a she had this weird thing 1961 01:44:08.439 --> 01:44:09.319 going for him. 1962 01:44:09.439 --> 01:44:12.039 No one said that. What you talk about that scene 1963 01:44:12.159 --> 01:44:16.640 when Milchak talks to Mark, is that what you're talking about, 1964 01:44:17.000 --> 01:44:18.840 like when he's in charge, she's new to the office, 1965 01:44:18.880 --> 01:44:21.119 he's at the old Cobel office. Then he's talking about 1966 01:44:21.199 --> 01:44:24.439 how he's basically him and Luman are distance and of 1967 01:44:24.439 --> 01:44:27.000 the South. I'm putting all the blame on Cobel of 1968 01:44:27.079 --> 01:44:29.680 what happened. They're going to pull everything on her because 1969 01:44:29.720 --> 01:44:32.600 she just got fired and she's crazy and no one 1970 01:44:32.640 --> 01:44:37.600 knew that she was so involved in Mark's asse's real life, right. 1971 01:44:37.479 --> 01:44:39.520 Which becaulse didn't they say that was his wife though, 1972 01:44:39.560 --> 01:44:41.279 that's why she was involved. I thought that's No one 1973 01:44:41.319 --> 01:44:44.119 said that positive he looked at each other like what. 1974 01:44:44.119 --> 01:44:49.600 No, no, no said Now Mark has mentioned his own wife, 1975 01:44:49.640 --> 01:44:52.439 I think, but not Cobell. And he talked about how 1976 01:44:52.479 --> 01:44:56.640 Cobell and Mark Iaudi knew each other because he was 1977 01:44:56.640 --> 01:44:58.239 there at the party when he woke up in it 1978 01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:00.800 last season. But that's it. There's no one. No one 1979 01:45:00.840 --> 01:45:04.720 mentioned that there was that he's there related like that. Yeah, 1980 01:45:05.760 --> 01:45:08.439 I mean, I don't know how to tell you it's didn't. 1981 01:45:08.479 --> 01:45:10.840 I mean, I'll watch it again, but I am positive 1982 01:45:10.840 --> 01:45:11.560 I didn't say that. 1983 01:45:12.239 --> 01:45:14.840 Well, there was something with where we looked at each 1984 01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:16.000 other like, wait, today. 1985 01:45:15.760 --> 01:45:19.159 I think Cobet was going to come back. She has to. 1986 01:45:19.439 --> 01:45:21.920 That's a big that's a big name. But like, I 1987 01:45:21.960 --> 01:45:23.560 just don't think it'll come back in any way of 1988 01:45:23.600 --> 01:45:28.359 saying like oh I was Marcasa's wife, sweet told and 1989 01:45:28.399 --> 01:45:32.880 plus she was hurting his neighbor. Both versions of Mark 1990 01:45:33.399 --> 01:45:36.520 don't like Colbell that way. You know what I'm saying. 1991 01:45:36.560 --> 01:45:37.760 So there's no way that's true. 1992 01:45:38.039 --> 01:45:39.560 Well, what do you think said? What do you think 1993 01:45:40.720 --> 01:45:41.560 the company is? 1994 01:45:42.840 --> 01:45:44.000 Oh? I think it's uh. 1995 01:45:44.119 --> 01:45:44.399 I know. 1996 01:45:44.640 --> 01:45:46.880 First of all, I completely think it's a corporate thing. 1997 01:45:46.960 --> 01:45:50.279 It's like it's like a gigantic corporate like Amazon, like 1998 01:45:50.319 --> 01:45:55.800 any of those, like Elon Musk what's his name company? Tesla, 1999 01:45:56.000 --> 01:45:58.159 like a Tesla type, right. I think it's like one 2000 01:45:58.159 --> 01:46:00.199 of those, except that it's a it's a two big 2001 01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:03.640 to fail type like Apple. And that add that to 2002 01:46:03.680 --> 01:46:07.119 it is that they have this strange analogy. That's the 2003 01:46:07.159 --> 01:46:09.680 two That's the only real difference between our real world 2004 01:46:09.800 --> 01:46:14.520 and the real corporate gigantic people or companies is that 2005 01:46:14.560 --> 01:46:16.760 they have attack that we don't have. As far as 2006 01:46:16.760 --> 01:46:18.600 I know, that's the only difference. I think. The rest 2007 01:46:18.600 --> 01:46:21.239 of it, it acts just like corporate, like the you know, 2008 01:46:21.720 --> 01:46:23.119 you know, ever seen them, You've ever been to a 2009 01:46:23.199 --> 01:46:26.239 job and a manager will tell you, like, we're like 2010 01:46:26.319 --> 01:46:29.640 family here, right, Like everyone's like family, right, But they 2011 01:46:29.680 --> 01:46:33.199 don't actually treat anyone like family. It's like it's like 2012 01:46:33.279 --> 01:46:36.880 Lumann took that to heart, you know, and made it 2013 01:46:36.920 --> 01:46:39.880 a cult for themselves. Like the way they think of themselves. 2014 01:46:39.920 --> 01:46:42.640 They're so grandiose, so egotistical. 2015 01:46:42.760 --> 01:46:44.680 What's the name of their god. 2016 01:46:44.800 --> 01:46:49.159 Egan, Well that's the family name. Egan's the Egans. Okay, yeah, 2017 01:46:50.159 --> 01:46:52.239 exact me. I've seen the first season three times and 2018 01:46:52.359 --> 01:46:54.760 over the last year Wow. Yeah, I love that show. 2019 01:46:55.920 --> 01:46:58.319 I've been on all the Reddit chats. I've been fucking 2020 01:46:58.359 --> 01:47:00.800 speculating with everyone and it's been it's been fun. 2021 01:47:00.840 --> 01:47:02.039 Did you see what they did in New York? 2022 01:47:02.359 --> 01:47:05.800 Yes? I did. That showed me that. That's one of 2023 01:47:05.840 --> 01:47:08.159 the first things when they opened, so like, yeah, it 2024 01:47:08.199 --> 01:47:09.880 was pretty cool. I saw that in like four different 2025 01:47:09.880 --> 01:47:14.199 angles which characters were doing it? All four? 2026 01:47:14.720 --> 01:47:18.800 It was a four. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Are you 2027 01:47:18.840 --> 01:47:20.880 ready for more? Oh? 2028 01:47:20.920 --> 01:47:23.119 I will be dude. I love my favorite. One of 2029 01:47:23.159 --> 01:47:27.119 my favorite parts of on the Helly reveal is who 2030 01:47:27.239 --> 01:47:29.960 is I'm bad with the names? I know Mark Helly, 2031 01:47:30.399 --> 01:47:35.439 Bert No Berths. Yeah, the guy with the glasses, the 2032 01:47:35.479 --> 01:47:38.840 black guy in the group. Forget his name. I can't 2033 01:47:38.840 --> 01:47:42.039 believe I forgot his name. Yes, when Milchik offered him 2034 01:47:42.119 --> 01:47:45.159 to have family visits with his Audi family, Oh fuck? 2035 01:47:45.239 --> 01:47:47.319 What does that mean? Is that real? Are they gonna 2036 01:47:47.319 --> 01:47:49.199 be anymatronic? I don't believe any of that, you know, 2037 01:47:49.239 --> 01:47:49.760 I don't know. 2038 01:47:49.760 --> 01:47:52.720 It's right? Yeah, yeah, I don't know. I don't know. 2039 01:47:53.279 --> 01:47:55.319 And my point is they just got me excited for more. 2040 01:47:55.439 --> 01:47:58.479 So No, that's good. What was the big Helly reveal? Again? 2041 01:47:58.640 --> 01:48:01.039 The reveal is that when they're all sharing what actually 2042 01:48:01.079 --> 01:48:03.920 happened when they're when they when they visited their audis, 2043 01:48:04.680 --> 01:48:06.600 she lied completely. She's like, I was in an apartment 2044 01:48:06.600 --> 01:48:10.279 all by myself, that's right. Obviously not so either. They 2045 01:48:10.279 --> 01:48:13.680 tortured her to convince her to fly for Lumen and 2046 01:48:13.720 --> 01:48:17.560 not tell them that she's an Egan or it's actually Egan. 2047 01:48:17.600 --> 01:48:21.479 It's actually Helen not Helly. Oh that's what I think. 2048 01:48:22.279 --> 01:48:22.359 Now. 2049 01:48:22.439 --> 01:48:24.279 I don't know, because what what did happen to her? 2050 01:48:24.319 --> 01:48:26.119 When she remember she woke up in the body of 2051 01:48:26.119 --> 01:48:28.279 an Egan? She turned out she was one of the Egans. 2052 01:48:28.279 --> 01:48:30.439 She's literally going to be the next CEO of Lumen. 2053 01:48:30.960 --> 01:48:31.800 Don't even remember that? 2054 01:48:31.880 --> 01:48:34.159 Oh yeah, that was the last episode in the season. 2055 01:48:34.920 --> 01:48:36.199 Yes, we both of us didn't. 2056 01:48:36.439 --> 01:48:39.079 The whole thing ended with them being The whole episode 2057 01:48:39.119 --> 01:48:42.399 was an entire episode where three of the four were 2058 01:48:43.399 --> 01:48:46.279 living their audis lives and their whole purpose was to 2059 01:48:46.359 --> 01:48:48.600 let people know that they're being tortured down in the 2060 01:48:48.640 --> 01:48:51.640 seventh floor. That's the whole thing they went to do. 2061 01:48:51.960 --> 01:48:55.520 They did this heist where they they you know, they 2062 01:48:55.520 --> 01:48:58.479 got themselves free for forty five minutes or whatever it was. 2063 01:48:58.720 --> 01:49:03.159 And Helly turned out to be the CEO's daughter of Lumen, 2064 01:49:03.920 --> 01:49:06.239 and she went up to talk to all these people 2065 01:49:06.279 --> 01:49:09.159 and some sort of grand gala thing that she was 2066 01:49:09.199 --> 01:49:12.159 a part of. Oh I do remember, because she participated 2067 01:49:12.239 --> 01:49:15.359 in the seventh program to make up like, oh, we 2068 01:49:15.479 --> 01:49:18.680 see how safe it is. The next CEO is gonna 2069 01:49:18.680 --> 01:49:21.399 be in it. You know, it's gonna sever herself. That's 2070 01:49:21.399 --> 01:49:25.640 how wholesome and normal we are, you know, right. But 2071 01:49:25.720 --> 01:49:28.039 it's all fake, of course, because obviously she is tortured 2072 01:49:28.039 --> 01:49:30.319 down there. Helly hates herself. She try to kill herself, right, 2073 01:49:30.600 --> 01:49:33.239 And so when she goes up there as Helly in 2074 01:49:33.279 --> 01:49:34.840 front of all the cameras and all those people she 2075 01:49:34.880 --> 01:49:37.000 starts telling, she just yells out like, hey, we're being 2076 01:49:37.000 --> 01:49:39.399 tortured down there. It's not a great help us. 2077 01:49:39.560 --> 01:49:40.159 I gotta go back. 2078 01:49:40.720 --> 01:49:43.600 That's how it ended. That's why. Yeah, when she'd lied, 2079 01:49:43.640 --> 01:49:45.319 I was like, fuck, you know. 2080 01:49:46.800 --> 01:49:47.159 Got it. 2081 01:49:47.199 --> 01:49:47.960 That's how I felt. 2082 01:49:48.239 --> 01:49:49.680 And Katie was when they caught it. She looked at 2083 01:49:49.680 --> 01:49:52.079 me and she's like, that didn't happen. She's lying, right, Yeah, 2084 01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:54.239 So okay, I gotta go. I gotta go back and watch. Yeah, 2085 01:49:54.319 --> 01:49:56.479 we're gonna stick with it. I'm gonna stick with it. Okay, 2086 01:49:56.520 --> 01:49:57.319 what we thought? 2087 01:49:57.479 --> 01:50:00.119 That's the point, you know, that is the point. We 2088 01:50:00.760 --> 01:50:03.319 nailed it. That's why part of why I made my 2089 01:50:03.319 --> 01:50:04.680 top ten and why I love the mood so much 2090 01:50:04.840 --> 01:50:08.600 is because she susphins the entire time. You're not supposed 2091 01:50:08.640 --> 01:50:13.640 to understand. No, you don't. She's implacable, dude, even up 2092 01:50:13.680 --> 01:50:15.560 to her last decision. I don't know why she did it. 2093 01:50:15.640 --> 01:50:17.319 I don't know that she did it either, but she 2094 01:50:17.359 --> 01:50:19.199 did because our whole thing was, well, was she good 2095 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:21.760 or was she bad? You know? And we we don't 2096 01:50:21.760 --> 01:50:22.720 know because like. 2097 01:50:22.760 --> 01:50:24.279 My personal thing is that I think she had a 2098 01:50:24.319 --> 01:50:28.079 fetish very specifically, you think she liked it. Part of 2099 01:50:28.119 --> 01:50:30.439 the whole dressing up in the courtroom was that for me, 2100 01:50:30.760 --> 01:50:34.199 that was a big for play, spending all that money, 2101 01:50:34.319 --> 01:50:35.840 all of her money, she spent all of her money 2102 01:50:35.840 --> 01:50:36.319 on that video. 2103 01:50:37.159 --> 01:50:40.680 Well, okay a couple so, because that was her whole 2104 01:50:40.760 --> 01:50:42.479 debate was was she good or was she bad? 2105 01:50:42.760 --> 01:50:46.640 She also negleckted and just threw away her career for 2106 01:50:46.720 --> 01:50:47.199 this too. 2107 01:50:47.239 --> 01:50:50.199 Oh yeah gone. So Katie was like, no, she's good 2108 01:50:50.279 --> 01:50:53.560 because she she bought the video, she got the proof, 2109 01:50:53.920 --> 01:50:55.680 she put him in prison. I'm like, no, you're You're 2110 01:50:55.720 --> 01:50:58.600 totally right. It seems like what she did, But why 2111 01:50:58.640 --> 01:51:00.920 did she sit on that bed? Why did she go 2112 01:51:01.039 --> 01:51:04.279 like this, take those photos like a fucking creep in 2113 01:51:04.359 --> 01:51:06.159 that you know what I'm talking about in the third 2114 01:51:06.239 --> 01:51:07.079 victim's bedroom. 2115 01:51:07.359 --> 01:51:07.520 You know. 2116 01:51:07.760 --> 01:51:09.000 To me, that blew it out of the water. 2117 01:51:09.199 --> 01:51:10.760 I think she I think she gets off on it. 2118 01:51:10.760 --> 01:51:13.000 I think she's setting up all these pictures of herself 2119 01:51:13.000 --> 01:51:15.319 and that and that in that specific spot, after what 2120 01:51:15.399 --> 01:51:18.239 she did, after exactly what she saw. I think she 2121 01:51:18.359 --> 01:51:20.680 has enough fapping material for the rest of her life, 2122 01:51:21.239 --> 01:51:23.439 and I think she was doing it all for that. 2123 01:51:23.600 --> 01:51:26.760 Now now that she was done, she's like, fuck this, God, 2124 01:51:26.800 --> 01:51:29.119 don't need him anymore. Gives away the evidence. That's what 2125 01:51:29.199 --> 01:51:30.000 I think she's doing. 2126 01:51:30.039 --> 01:51:33.119 So she's bad. I do think she's so now going 2127 01:51:33.159 --> 01:51:33.640 to the cody. 2128 01:51:34.000 --> 01:51:36.319 By how coldly she also dismissed that other person. I mean, 2129 01:51:36.319 --> 01:51:37.800 she tried to kind of be friends with her, but 2130 01:51:38.920 --> 01:51:43.920 the bigger care she's very like sociopathic. Maybe I don't know. 2131 01:51:44.000 --> 01:51:45.239 Did you see she has arm pity here? 2132 01:51:45.760 --> 01:51:49.439 Yeah, that's very French French, I know, disgusting French Canadian, 2133 01:51:49.520 --> 01:51:52.119 but yeah. 2134 01:51:50.920 --> 01:51:51.920 The courtroom thing. 2135 01:51:52.079 --> 01:51:54.399 I didn't you know, you never minded my arm pit. 2136 01:51:56.119 --> 01:51:58.640 Sorry, because when she was playing racquetball the first time, 2137 01:51:58.800 --> 01:52:01.279 like is that arm put here? I don't know, Oh 2138 01:52:01.279 --> 01:52:03.199 my god, and then she's like, oh, yeah it is. 2139 01:52:04.840 --> 01:52:06.720 So when she was in the courtroom when she dressed 2140 01:52:06.760 --> 01:52:08.920 like the little girl, I was into it because I'm like, Oh, 2141 01:52:08.960 --> 01:52:11.119 she's trying to get she's trying to get a reaction. 2142 01:52:11.159 --> 01:52:15.880 She's trying to show the jury a reaction to this 2143 01:52:15.880 --> 01:52:19.600 this girl. She thought she was trying to I thought 2144 01:52:19.640 --> 01:52:21.800 she was trying to elicit a response from the murderer 2145 01:52:22.039 --> 01:52:24.359 so the jury will convict. That's what I thought. I'm like, oh, 2146 01:52:24.359 --> 01:52:25.119 this is a good thing. 2147 01:52:25.359 --> 01:52:28.119 I see, that's a good I think No, I was thinking. 2148 01:52:28.960 --> 01:52:30.640 After the bed, I don't know if that was a 2149 01:52:30.680 --> 01:52:32.800 good thing. Now. I think it's more what you're saying 2150 01:52:32.880 --> 01:52:34.520 she was getting off undressing like this. 2151 01:52:34.640 --> 01:52:37.279 I mean, I've never seen a movie explore the people 2152 01:52:37.319 --> 01:52:39.560 that go and marry the serial killer once they're in jail. 2153 01:52:39.640 --> 01:52:42.600 That's what we're watching, except this is a different version 2154 01:52:42.640 --> 01:52:44.239 of it. So you just we never get the exploration 2155 01:52:44.319 --> 01:52:46.279 before and a character like that, and it's the first 2156 01:52:46.359 --> 01:52:48.840 movie that I've ever seen that do it because you 2157 01:52:48.880 --> 01:52:49.640 never see their point of view. 2158 01:52:49.680 --> 01:52:51.760 So you think she was in love with him, I 2159 01:52:51.760 --> 01:52:52.039 think to. 2160 01:52:52.079 --> 01:52:54.680 An extent, but in love with his actions, what he 2161 01:52:54.720 --> 01:52:57.159 did and part of this and the fact that the 2162 01:52:57.239 --> 01:53:01.279 scandal is like all over the country, it's also part 2163 01:53:01.279 --> 01:53:02.800 of it. The fame of it too, it is probably 2164 01:53:02.920 --> 01:53:06.159 part of it. That's what I think. I mean, everyone 2165 01:53:06.279 --> 01:53:09.760 had their khame, but yeah, I mean she went to 2166 01:53:09.800 --> 01:53:13.520 those extremes and the other girl was just completely just misguided. 2167 01:53:14.039 --> 01:53:15.479 She's a groupie, like a group of. 2168 01:53:15.520 --> 01:53:20.840 Misguided and she saw the video. She knew. Oh yeah, 2169 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:23.000 she knew. She left right away. She's like, okay, yeah 2170 01:53:23.319 --> 01:53:26.039 he did it. This is saw the eyes right, those 2171 01:53:26.079 --> 01:53:27.800 eyes and Angela no More. 2172 01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:29.960 Walked or something. Yeah, the way he walked