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Speaker 6: of Vampire, The Richard Chase Murders and The Bunde Murders
Speaker 6: comes an excursion into the truly weird and the bizarre,
Speaker 6: the medieval esque murder in a small town museum, to
Speaker 6: the jilted boyfriend who decided that his former girlfriend needed
Speaker 6: to die on her twenty first birthday. And then there's
Speaker 6: the demented son who returns home to live with his
Speaker 6: mother and stepfather and one night in their beautiful mansion
Speaker 6: sitting atop a high bluff overlooking the Ohio River, slaughters them.
Speaker 6: The book that we are featuring this evening is Kentucky Bloodbath,
Speaker 6: Ten bizarre tales of murder from the Bluegrass State, with
Speaker 6: my special guest, journalist and author Kevin Sullivan. Welcome back
Speaker 6: to the program, and thank you for agreeing to this interview.
Speaker 4: Kevin Sullomon.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you, Dan, It's always good to be on
Speaker 5: your show.
Speaker 4: It's always a pleasure to speak with you again, Kevin,
Speaker 4: and congratulations on your latest truly bizarre collection here from Kentucky.
Speaker 4: So just tell us, I guess we've just had you
Speaker 4: on recently with another collection from Kentucky. But tell us
Speaker 4: just basically, what was your criteria this time out to
Speaker 4: be able to select the stories that the ten stories
Speaker 4: that are in Kentucky Bloodbath.
Speaker 5: All, yes, all of these stories go back to the
Speaker 5: time when I was for a number of years when
Speaker 5: I was doing research into strange Kentucky murders, and I
Speaker 5: was going through case files and court records, and you
Speaker 5: run into a lot of stuff. You do that obviously,
Speaker 5: but I was looking for some of the more bizarre cases,
Speaker 5: strange cases, cases that had twists to them, just things
Speaker 5: that would just jump out of you from the page
Speaker 5: and at the case file.
Speaker 4: And the other.
Speaker 5: Book that we talked about a number of months ago
Speaker 5: was Death of a Cheerleader and that had six different
Speaker 5: bizarre cases in it, and so this is a continuation
Speaker 5: of that, and and these cases were some of them,
Speaker 5: as I had mentioned before with the other book, would
Speaker 5: have kind of been lost to history had I not
Speaker 5: gone in there and pulled these things out. Some some
Speaker 5: would would be well known, and that I'm sure reporters
Speaker 5: would periodically, you know, right about them, certain cases like
Speaker 5: the iceman having to do with with with Todd Ice.
Speaker 5: But most of the cases were very big and had
Speaker 5: an effect on the area where these happened at the time.
Speaker 5: But over the years, these things had a tendency to
Speaker 5: kind of, you know, drift away, and then of course
Speaker 5: they end up in archives and most people forget about them,
Speaker 5: and so I was always glad to find something interesting,
Speaker 5: you know, that I could pull out and put to
Speaker 5: the page.
Speaker 4: Well, let's set the stage right now for with Carol
Speaker 4: Francis Mudd. And she's twenty two years old and we're talking.
Speaker 4: She's working at the Stonecastle Museum in a small place
Speaker 4: called Bardstown, Kentucky. This is November nineteen eighty two. In
Speaker 4: this museum they have toy soldiers and antique weapons. And
Speaker 4: you've introduced the character Anthony Russell Gollan. Yeah, he's twenty
Speaker 4: years old. So you take us right to where the mailman,
Speaker 4: the postman Charles Meredith is walking by and Anthony Russell Gowan.
Speaker 4: So set the stage for us for death by Sword. Yes,
Speaker 4: Gollan was a strange individual. He was obsessed with edge
Speaker 4: edged weapons, especially swords. And what he did uh that
Speaker 4: morning and the authorities don't know why he did it,
Speaker 4: but he was the first person to come into the
Speaker 4: museum in Bardstown. And like you say, they had they
Speaker 4: had these these displays of toy soldiers and battlefields, but
Speaker 4: they also had displays of like, uh, knights and armor
Speaker 4: and like they had a broad sword, and they had
Speaker 4: various displays. So for a small town like Bardstown, which
Speaker 4: is famous for my old Kentucky home.
Speaker 5: Uh, it was. It was a nice place. The Stonecastle Museum.
Speaker 5: He he ended up there on the really the day
Speaker 5: after Halloween and November first, and I don't know whether
Speaker 5: he I don't think he signed in, but I think
Speaker 5: he walked in. And the woman that was working there,
Speaker 5: she was all by herself. It never came out how
Speaker 5: exactly this happened, but she ended up being murdered. And
Speaker 5: what Gallan did was he had taken the broad sword
Speaker 5: from one of the displays, and he had he had
Speaker 5: thrust that thing down to the top of her shoulder
Speaker 5: into her midsection, and as I recall it, it pierced
Speaker 5: her heart or severed maybe a valve in her heart,
Speaker 5: had done an extensive amount of damage. I'm sure she
Speaker 5: died very quickly. And of course he you know, I
Speaker 5: don't know how he managed not to get blood on himself,
Speaker 5: but he did. And what was weird is that two
Speaker 5: brothers had shown up at the museum a little bit later,
Speaker 5: and they came in there and they they hadn't you know,
Speaker 5: they were waiting to you know, to pay the price
Speaker 5: of admission, and nobody was there, so they just started
Speaker 5: walking around the place and uh, one of the brothers
Speaker 5: had gone upstairs and you know, well I think one
Speaker 5: one had stayed in like the bookstore area, and he
Speaker 5: came back, and uh, you know, he had his brother
Speaker 5: follow him upstairs because he saw something that bothered him.
Speaker 5: And you know, a lot of times when people will
Speaker 5: see bodies, they if they come upon something horrific like this,
Speaker 5: sometimes they won't often know it's a real body. Sometimes
Speaker 5: it will be obvious, and sometimes it won't. And he
Speaker 5: couldn't believe what he was seeing when he founder, so
Speaker 5: he he had his brother, you know, follow him back up.
Speaker 5: And of course, you know, she was quite dead. So
Speaker 5: that became a mystery as to what happened to this girl.
Speaker 5: And and uh Gallon wasn't arrested until a long time later.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And in fact, as I recall, the guy who broke
Speaker 5: the case was a detective. He I think he was
Speaker 5: a suspect for a while, but they didn't have anything
Speaker 5: solid on him. But but but the uh, but a
Speaker 5: cold case detective. He came along later and he got
Speaker 5: to work back on that case and ended up interviewing
Speaker 5: a number of Gallon's friends and stuff and uh, girls
Speaker 5: he dated, and he was able to put more together
Speaker 5: uh about this and what came from some people that
Speaker 5: knew him was quite strange, especially the women he uh
Speaker 5: he dated, and uh, you know, like the one girl
Speaker 5: had said that he, you know, liked to have rough
Speaker 5: sex and sometimes he would like to choke her, but
Speaker 5: not into like unconsciousness. But she said something weird too,
Speaker 5: like you would say sometimes he'd like to imagine himself
Speaker 5: to be a doctor or perhaps a soldier, some type
Speaker 5: of authority figure. And uh, he was just quite strange.
Speaker 5: And later when this, you know, the cops got on
Speaker 5: his trail. He lived next I believe it was next
Speaker 5: door to a Kentucky State trooper and this trooper had
Speaker 5: witnessed him one time out when he had set up
Speaker 5: some boxes and some cardboard boxes, and he had taken
Speaker 5: a sword he has I don't Japanese sort or whatever,
Speaker 5: but he was whipping this thing all around in different directions.
Speaker 5: He was quite good with the sword and you know,
Speaker 5: turn around and put his back to the boxes and
Speaker 5: sliced beside him into the sword, and then he would
Speaker 5: switch around and do something else and he would just
Speaker 5: whack these boxes up really quickly, and you know, the
Speaker 5: cop took notice of that. But eventually, you know, he
Speaker 5: was apprehended through some things that he did. I don't
Speaker 5: want to get the whole story away, but because I
Speaker 5: know people will enjoy meeting this, but it's it's it's
Speaker 5: got a lot of twists in it. And if you
Speaker 5: can imagine those two brothers coming in there are creepy
Speaker 5: that must have been to be met with silence, only
Speaker 5: to find her dead body. And for quite some time
Speaker 5: this was an unsolved case. So Bartstown is rather small,
Speaker 5: and so that that probably sent a nice little shockwave
Speaker 5: through the community. And if people weren't locking their doors,
Speaker 5: then you know they soon would be. So it's a
Speaker 5: very interesting tale.
Speaker 4: You've got a detective you speak of a detective, Robert Foster,
Speaker 4: who took on the case after about two and a
Speaker 4: half years. Like you say, it was cold for a while,
Speaker 4: even though they had suspicions obviously, But what was interesting
Speaker 4: is all the claims made from all the Foster just
Speaker 4: happens to go talk to his ex girlfriends. You know,
Speaker 4: if that comes a wealth of information, like fascinating stuff
Speaker 4: like it's fascinated with dungeons and dragons, the occult martial
Speaker 4: arts and edged weapons, like you said. But he's also,
Speaker 4: according to Rosemary Lawrence, one of his exes, he's a
Speaker 4: member of a black cult, devil worship. Yea, there's a
Speaker 4: lot going on here. And then when you talked about
Speaker 4: the crime scene itself, you say in the book that
Speaker 4: this broadsword, not everybody knows what a broadsword, but I
Speaker 4: imagine it's a big sword, like something from very low days,
Speaker 4: but three feet tall, so it's a three foot sword.
Speaker 4: It was put through her. She was you know, she
Speaker 4: was impaled on this thing, and then her throat was
Speaker 4: cut with a dagger and there was Yeah.
Speaker 5: And in fact, the broadsword you people don't know, I'll explain.
Speaker 5: They're so large that they're basically two handed weapons. It's
Speaker 5: not like you would stand there and joust or you know,
Speaker 5: just do it like put one hand behind your back
Speaker 5: like you see people's fency. No, broadswords were very long,
Speaker 5: and they were very heavy, and they're like battle swords,
Speaker 5: and they carry a lot of weight and they're sharp
Speaker 5: on both sides of the blade, and boy, you can
Speaker 5: really do some damage with those things. And so to
Speaker 5: think about that, he didn't just pierce her like with
Speaker 5: a straight on stick, like you know, like in her stomach.
Speaker 5: He brought that thing that way down. He must have
Speaker 5: had her like on the ground, on her knees. I
Speaker 5: don't know how he did it, but he got that
Speaker 5: thing down through the top of her shoulder and rams
Speaker 5: it all the way down. So I think, as I recall,
Speaker 5: I like the autopsy report talked about how quickly she died.
Speaker 5: I think I put that in the story, but I
Speaker 5: remember reading it in the case file because of the
Speaker 5: piercing of her heart or something.
Speaker 4: What also was very fascinating, and because you don't see
Speaker 4: this in a lot of cases. I mean there's some
Speaker 4: talk of it maybe at trial, but this is some
Speaker 4: interesting evidence in this case where when the police sees
Speaker 4: some evidence from this guy, they sees a Satanic Bible
Speaker 4: that's not your run of the mill thing, books on rituals, witchcraft,
Speaker 4: and notebooks containing Satanic writings and drawings. So this guy
Speaker 4: was he was very serious.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he was. He was. In fact, he was by
Speaker 5: the time false Or caught up with him, he was
Speaker 5: in the Marine Corps and he was about to be
Speaker 5: kicked out he was having some drug issues and really
Speaker 5: some other issues as well. So uh yeah, he's a Yeah.
Speaker 5: His girlfriends, as I recall, they didn't have a whole
Speaker 5: other good things to say about him. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: I said, yeah, yeah, a member of the black cult.
Speaker 5: She goes on say, you know, which is devil worshiping.
Speaker 5: So he was a very strange, strange individual. And if
Speaker 5: you remember so, he basically confessed on the way home
Speaker 5: after he was taken from uh, I guess, not Pendles,
Speaker 5: and that's California, but it's the one on the east coast,
Speaker 5: the marine base. Uh. He basically he talked about hearing
Speaker 5: a roaring in his head. Remember he said like yeah,
Speaker 5: but he also said that out of a lawn war.
Speaker 4: Yeah. He also said he was on queludes. And he
Speaker 4: also said he couldn't remember, so let's be yeah, yes,
Speaker 4: I he could have said. He said, I could have
Speaker 4: killed her. I can't remember, had those queludes roaring in
Speaker 4: my head like a lawnmower. Yep, you know, Yes, what's
Speaker 4: the most What's again? You open this book and this
Speaker 4: is an incredible opening to a book. And I won't
Speaker 4: we won't dwell on this because we've got to talk
Speaker 4: about all these other incredible stories, but again what I
Speaker 4: find most fascinating, and some of the some members of
Speaker 4: the audience have contacted me too, because we there's a
Speaker 4: gap in some of the true crime stories. As many
Speaker 4: bizarre and unbelievable stories, this is one that really has
Speaker 4: this otherworldly almost effect to this where you have what
Speaker 4: was found on Carol Mudd's body and originally was a
Speaker 4: back part of a like a brooch, like a pin attachment,
Speaker 4: and they didn't know really what it was, but they
Speaker 4: knew that they had it in their possession, and later
Speaker 4: when they did seize evidence from from him, they what
Speaker 4: they did find was the other part of that pin.
Speaker 4: So tell us what that with the significance of that
Speaker 4: pin was in continuum of our talk about if I
Speaker 4: recall it was something it was like a satanic pin,
Speaker 4: was it not? It was a Satanic star Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was a Satanic star pin.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, And so you know this is something so
Speaker 5: he I guess placed this. I don't know. I can't
Speaker 5: to be honest, I can't remember. I'm not sure if
Speaker 5: he I don't even know if it came out, if
Speaker 5: he placed it on her body, or if he accidentally
Speaker 5: left it at the scene. I'm not sure. I can't remember,
Speaker 5: but I didn't.
Speaker 4: Really say in your book. It didn't say in your book,
Speaker 4: But what it said was the star had two inverted
Speaker 4: crosses yes and and the number six six six, and
Speaker 4: it was on a small gold broadsword word ten. That
Speaker 4: would when they put the two pieces together, they fit perfectly,
Speaker 4: and that was an important in the trial as well,
Speaker 4: to connect him further than he was already connected in
Speaker 4: this case. But I don't see.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I'm looking at it right now because there's
Speaker 5: every call on it's the the actual file is coming
Speaker 5: back to me. I've got ridden here. It talks about
Speaker 5: it was found on her. I don't think it was
Speaker 5: ever determined whether it was broken by accident or or
Speaker 5: whether he left it as like a calling card. I
Speaker 5: don't think they ever made a determination of that. I'm
Speaker 5: not sure, but it was. Yeah, it was weird, and
Speaker 5: of course you uh yeah. They used that serial uh
Speaker 5: microscope and they did what was a ten point you know, comparison.
Speaker 5: I mean, these things are usually very easy to uh
Speaker 5: man together. Whenever you have something that's been broken off,
Speaker 5: even though they've been separated by some some some distance,
Speaker 5: it doesn't matter when you're bring it back together. It's
Speaker 5: it's a it's a pretty easy to compare them and
Speaker 5: make a match. Of course, you know the opposing attorneys
Speaker 5: will always try to tear that down, but yeah, it
Speaker 5: was just, yeah, it's weird. This whole case does have
Speaker 5: a different feel to it because if you look at
Speaker 5: Gallon and you look at how strange he was in
Speaker 5: this satanic stuff, and then you look how that worked out
Speaker 5: among the people that knew him, and and and these girlfriends,
Speaker 5: who's some of them are quite close to him and
Speaker 5: got to see him a lot. Yeah, it just it's
Speaker 5: just a real, real different feel, and it's a different
Speaker 5: type murder because most murders don't happen like this. They
Speaker 5: they never did find out why he did it, and
Speaker 5: I'm not sure that they know exactly how he did it.
Speaker 5: They just know he did it and and what drove
Speaker 5: him to the museum to be the first one in
Speaker 5: there is anyone's guests. I don't think he ever talked
Speaker 5: about it.
Speaker 4: No, but you say in the book that four months
Speaker 4: after the murder just happened to write a little song
Speaker 4: called The Hunter. And also there was writings and drivings. Well,
Speaker 4: won't go into that, but needless to say, it sounds
Speaker 4: like a typical psychopathic killer to me.
Speaker 5: Sure, yes, yes, and he's free today. I mean, I
Speaker 5: don't as sorry call he's he was released. I don't
Speaker 5: know how much time he did, but he's out there somewhere.
Speaker 5: He'd probably still in Kentucky.
Speaker 4: Well, he received a thirty year sentence, so you would
Speaker 4: think if they had any provision for time off or
Speaker 4: good behavior of some sort whatever that was eighty six
Speaker 4: is so that would certainly be coming up to the
Speaker 4: thirty years and if there was any kind of parole
Speaker 4: ability all it'd said in your book. And again, what
Speaker 4: he was sentenced to was thirty years, and so we
Speaker 4: don't know exactly what Kentucky parole eligibility was or what
Speaker 4: the deal was exactly that thirty years. Let's move to
Speaker 4: your next story, where again completely different, but it's called
Speaker 4: Blood in the Moonlight And this is Kurrs December ninth,
Speaker 4: nineteen eighty three, Albert and Mabel Bauer and they're sixty
Speaker 4: three years old, and this is this occurs in Louisville,
Speaker 4: Kentucky around and this is their annual fraternity Order of
Speaker 4: Police dinner and Albert is the deputy sheriff and their son,
Speaker 4: Albert Junior, twenty nine years old, has had some problems
Speaker 4: moved back with his parents. Tell us a little bit
Speaker 4: about Albert Junior and the circumstances that led to him
Speaker 4: moving back in with his parents, Lile Kentucky.
Speaker 5: Well, Albert Well. First of all, the home is uh.
Speaker 5: I have a picture of the home in the book.
Speaker 5: The picture doesn't really do it justice. It's it's a
Speaker 5: nice middle class home. What you can't see is it's
Speaker 5: about a half a block from a neighborhood high school.
Speaker 5: I always like when you know these high schools and stuff,
Speaker 5: you know you would be right in the neighborhood. And uh,
Speaker 5: you know, it's just it's a nice area and it's
Speaker 5: low crime. And I don't know if they'd ever had
Speaker 5: a homicide. Louisville does have a good number of homicides,
Speaker 5: but those usually occur in the western portion of downtown.
Speaker 5: When you get out into the suburbs, you know that
Speaker 5: there are occasional homicides, but this was a particularly quiet area.
Speaker 5: And uh, it just goes to show you that things
Speaker 5: can happen. They that were apparently quite normal. They were
Speaker 5: getting up into their older years, you know, and the
Speaker 5: son had Albert Junior, had had problems. I mean he
Speaker 5: had battled, uh, mental problems, and he was also on drugs,
Speaker 5: and he had been living apart from his family. But
Speaker 5: but but decided to move back home. And you know,
Speaker 5: there had been issues. And this is a terrible, terrible thing,
Speaker 5: but parents go through things like this and they start
Speaker 5: having issues with their sons or I guess in some
Speaker 5: cases daughters, but invariably it's with the sun and uh,
Speaker 5: then they start showing some instability, and then they share
Speaker 5: start showing instability with perhaps a engine for violence. Parents
Speaker 5: don't always move as quickly as they should take care
Speaker 5: of the situation, and some often believe that, uh, it
Speaker 5: won't really turn the violence. And so Bauer was living
Speaker 5: in their basement. And on this particular night, they had
Speaker 5: been to the lodge to have this dinner. And I
Speaker 5: know that Albert sr uh excuse me, had a friend
Speaker 5: he spoke with that night. They were good friends, and
Speaker 5: so they came home and uh, I guess it was
Speaker 5: about maybe uh, I don't know, if I think about uh,
Speaker 5: they probably came home around eleven something like that. Maybe
Speaker 5: the laughter and uh, Albert Junior was out for the
Speaker 5: evening and he had gone out and done some things
Speaker 5: and he had run into somebody at a local bar,
Speaker 5: and uh the guy was kind of, you know, joking
Speaker 5: with him about some things, and he came very hostile
Speaker 5: towards him. And he wasn't acting himself. I mean, people
Speaker 5: knew this, you know, you know, fellow had problems, but
Speaker 5: he was even acting a little bit strange to his
Speaker 5: friends as well well. So he goes home and he
Speaker 5: slaughters his uh his parents and the he actually calls
Speaker 5: in to the police by quarter of one that that
Speaker 5: early next morning, and uh, you know, he's he tells
Speaker 5: the dispatch person there's been a murder. She asks where,
Speaker 5: and he gives the address, and the dispatched person asked
Speaker 5: Albert Jr. What happened. He said, I don't know, and
Speaker 5: then he just said, you know, he said, both his
Speaker 5: parents are dead. And I've talked to the police officer
Speaker 5: that arrived on the scene. First. The guy said he
Speaker 5: pulled up and uh, this this this fellow was bald,
Speaker 5: was standing out in the driveway and if you look
Speaker 5: at the picture, it's on a hill. So I'm assuming
Speaker 5: balance up probably by the top of the driveway, and
Speaker 5: uh it's a very moon of night. And when the
Speaker 5: cop moved, you know, welled up on the scene because
Speaker 5: he's bying himself. Uh he said he looked at Bowery.
Speaker 5: He said, he looked like he had wet into something,
Speaker 5: wet on his jacket. And because cop could sell the
Speaker 5: car and walks up to him and he could see
Speaker 5: John's flashlight on it is covered with blood. And so
Speaker 5: he begins to tell the cop and his parents are dead.
Speaker 5: And uh, so the cop goes in to the house.
Speaker 5: I believe they ended in through the kitchen, and you know,
Speaker 5: he's got his handgun out and he's probably already suspicious
Speaker 5: as to you know, Albert Jr. But he sits him
Speaker 5: down in a chair and he tells him not to move.
Speaker 5: He tells him it's for his own safety. As he
Speaker 5: entered the kitchen. I've seen these. I've seen the crime
Speaker 5: scene photos. I wouldn't publish them, and they were and
Speaker 5: these particular photos. They already told me you you can't
Speaker 5: have these for publication. I said, I don't need them.
Speaker 5: I just want to see what the detector has walked into.
Speaker 5: I always want to see what they see when they're
Speaker 5: entering the crime scene. But I don't I don't ever
Speaker 5: publish really, you know, these horrific pictures, But the pictures,
Speaker 5: and I tried to explain in the writing, and I
Speaker 5: think I do a good job with it of just
Speaker 5: how bad it was. I mean, there was blood everywhere
Speaker 5: in the kitchen. The floor was covered with blood, the countertops,
Speaker 5: the cabinets as I recalled them, some blood on the ceiling.
Speaker 5: The mother had numerous stab wounds. He had used, uh,
Speaker 5: several knives. He had used a type of fork on her.
Speaker 5: I think one of the knives was still sticking out
Speaker 5: of her was bent. Clearly it was a crime of rage.
Speaker 5: And uh, you know, even this beat cop, I'm sure
Speaker 5: he knew that. I mean, once the detectives got there,
Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I mean they see things like
Speaker 5: this and they know this is this is not some
Speaker 5: burdlary going bad. The father was laying in the living room.
Speaker 5: It looks like he was trying to make it to
Speaker 5: the front door, and he had been strangled to death,
Speaker 5: and I think the cord was still around his neck,
Speaker 5: but he had also been hitting the head and he
Speaker 5: actually had an in his head like a wound in
Speaker 5: his head and it corresponds with a like a mug.
Speaker 5: I think it was a Pewter mug. If I recall
Speaker 5: these stories were written so many years ago, uh that
Speaker 5: that the detective matched it up and it was a
Speaker 5: match to this thing in his head. And also a
Speaker 5: handgun I think had been fired in the house, but
Speaker 5: no one was hit from that. And so you know,
Speaker 5: you have these two dead people. Well, you know, the
Speaker 5: police show up and they they know, you know, it
Speaker 5: doesn't take them long. And in fact, they brought a
Speaker 5: dog that you know, the track that see Bower had
Speaker 5: made some claim that somebody people have done that they
Speaker 5: had left and then but when the cop, the Canawn
Speaker 5: officer brought his dog, you know, the dog tracked the
Speaker 5: h sent from you know, the door out all the
Speaker 5: way back around and then it just didn't lead anywhere
Speaker 5: like away from the house. And you know, it didn't
Speaker 5: take the cops too long to figure out, you know,
Speaker 5: we've got somebody who has murdered his mother and father.
Speaker 5: But they didn't want to charge him yet with murder,
Speaker 5: so they charged him with possession of like kayludes or
Speaker 5: whatever and some drugs. And what was strange is that
Speaker 5: his attorney. Of course, he was rested for that taking downtown.
Speaker 5: You know, I got a picture somewhere of him standing
Speaker 5: there at the police station with this blood on the jacket,
Speaker 5: and you know, so they're building a case on the
Speaker 5: murder thing, but they want to wait a little bit,
Speaker 5: so he makes bail. The family attorney, you know, gets
Speaker 5: this guy out right, and the detectives asked the judge
Speaker 5: to put a hold on him because he's a suspect
Speaker 5: in this murder thing, but because he hasn't been charged.
Speaker 5: The judge said, you know, basically, he said, my hands
Speaker 5: are tried because I can't stop him from making bail
Speaker 5: from this drug charge. So what the family did? I mean,
Speaker 5: you know, he's not going to stand that out now.
Speaker 5: Was crawling with forensic people and you know, just all
Speaker 5: kinds of people there. So he puts him up and
Speaker 5: is known as the Golf House Hotel, which is a
Speaker 5: is a hotel in downtown Louisville that is twenty one
Speaker 5: twenty two stories something like that. It's a pretty big
Speaker 5: fall structure, maybe twenty two, I'm not sure, but he's
Speaker 5: up on like the twentieth floor. Something I can't recall.
Speaker 5: He's way right, and so his attorney you know, you know,
Speaker 5: you know places are there, informs the police where he is. Well,
Speaker 5: the police are working, you.
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Speaker 5: To try to get everything they need to quickly charge
Speaker 5: this guy, well power gets it in his head that
Speaker 5: for some reason he's going to take his own lives.
Speaker 5: What he does is he he gets back and he
Speaker 5: takes just a running leap and crashes through the window.
Speaker 5: And I say in the book he has a controlled fall.
Speaker 5: He did too. He didn't go in over end. He fell,
Speaker 5: He crashed through and then started to drop and as
Speaker 5: he started to drop. He maintained his position and he
Speaker 5: went through the the roof. I had to explain to
Speaker 5: the gold House hotel isn't just a straight hotel, but
Speaker 5: when you get down to the first floor, it expands
Speaker 5: out for conference rooms and they kind of go out
Speaker 5: a little bit. It almost looks like the h He's
Speaker 5: never looked at the und building in New York. And
Speaker 5: so it comes down. It's it's high up and it
Speaker 5: comes down and expands as and and the building goes out. Well,
Speaker 5: there was no way he was gonna hit the pavement.
Speaker 5: He was going to hit the roof. And he did
Speaker 5: hit the roof, and he came through the roof and
Speaker 5: his body was halfway hanging out of the roof. Now
Speaker 5: nobody knows this guy's dead. This is done in the
Speaker 5: middle of the night. I recall I think it was
Speaker 5: around four a m or something. Maid had gone in there.
Speaker 5: She was doing something. They're not too or four and
Speaker 5: cheers water dripping okay, and she hits the light and
Speaker 5: then there's bower. His clothes have been kind of you know,
Speaker 5: jeans have been kind of ripped off of him. It's
Speaker 5: rear end is exposed. He's hanging through the ceiling and
Speaker 5: of course he's dead. And so the police are called
Speaker 5: and you know, answer coming and they're getting down and
Speaker 5: when the detectives went, when the homicide offices is notified,
Speaker 5: like by then it's light, you know, the next morning,
Speaker 5: and they they said, as they left the station, they
Speaker 5: looked over in the direction of the golf house and
Speaker 5: they could see a curtain lapping through an open window
Speaker 5: up and like what would be around the twentieth flour
Speaker 5: And they figured that was Pawer that you know that
Speaker 5: you know, that's that's that's where he jumped. And they
Speaker 5: were right. And so this guy had killed himself. And
Speaker 5: I've got some pictures in there of the uh of
Speaker 5: the of the dead body. I thought it was interesting
Speaker 5: that he was able to, you know, control his fall.
Speaker 5: I don't know if he planned it that way, but
Speaker 5: he managed to travel all that distance and hit feet first.
Speaker 4: It's interesting that you you do mention that he was
Speaker 4: charged after his death posthumously.
Speaker 5: For the murder. Yes, yes, and convicted.
Speaker 4: Now our next story is you you title it rampage.
Speaker 4: And this is October first, nineteen seventy three, and Geraldine E. Walt,
Speaker 4: she's forty two years old, and we're talking about Lexicon
Speaker 4: Lexicon Tech, Kentucky. She was picking up her daughter, her
Speaker 4: young at the Sayers School and across from the school
Speaker 4: was a federal building. Third floor looked unassuming that there
Speaker 4: was a prisoner holding for federal charges. And at round
Speaker 4: four pm there were several men walking on the roof
Speaker 4: of a loading dock, according to witnesses, and people thought
Speaker 4: they were doing work, official work, and there were two
Speaker 4: meter maids working anyway. Say he saw them jump from
Speaker 4: a third floor window, Yes, after sawing through the bars.
Speaker 4: So tell us about this daring escape and and how
Speaker 4: this geraldine E Walt and her daughter get all caught
Speaker 4: up in this rampage.
Speaker 5: Yeah, the lexing Tons the second biggest city in Kentucky,
Speaker 5: louis Will being the first. Louisville's a very large metropolitan
Speaker 5: area and accident is a nice size city either, I
Speaker 5: would call it more more like a town. It's it's
Speaker 5: it's just it's it's nice, and it's it's normally quiet,
Speaker 5: you know, and these things don't normally happen there. They
Speaker 5: had homicides, but the federal breakout was real different. And
Speaker 5: the federal holdover apparently this guy named you know, Wilma Scott.
Speaker 5: He had gotten a uh like a little hacksaw or
Speaker 5: something that had been able to it's all his way
Speaker 5: through a window and maybe somebody else has started this.
Speaker 5: I don't know how long it took to get this done.
Speaker 5: But he had gotten out on the roof, and uh
Speaker 5: two other men had gotten on there with him, Uh,
Speaker 5: William Sloan and then another guy named Collins, and Uh
Speaker 5: Sloan said, uh, you know, there was no way to
Speaker 5: get down. It was it was a nice but there
Speaker 5: was no way to get down that. They were just
Speaker 5: gonna have to jump. And so Scott just you, he said,
Speaker 5: I couldn't get off the roof. I kept walking around
Speaker 5: and everybody was looking people and a couple of Marshalls
Speaker 5: pulled in and people were staring from across the street.
Speaker 5: So I just backed up about thirty foot I'm quoting him,
Speaker 5: and closed my eyes and just run till there was
Speaker 5: nothing under me. And of course he just dropped off
Speaker 5: and he was fine. William Sloan soon followed him and
Speaker 5: he was fine. But it's just so strange. But this
Speaker 5: other fellow named Collins, you know, he tried to he
Speaker 5: tried to get off the roof without hurting himself, and
Speaker 5: he sat on the ledge and as gently as pobably,
Speaker 5: he dropped in the crowd. He broke his leg. He
Speaker 5: should be glad though he broke his leg, because these
Speaker 5: other guys would go on to commit murder and he
Speaker 5: wouldn't be charged with that. But uh so anyway, you know,
Speaker 5: and so the eater may see this, right, and uh,
Speaker 5: you know they they were quite upset because they knew
Speaker 5: these guys were were going to get away. Well, the
Speaker 5: Sayer school sits very close to the Federal building and uh,
Speaker 5: I got a picture of it in there. And what
Speaker 5: people would normally do is they would line up their
Speaker 5: cars all around this like circle and the kids would
Speaker 5: come out and you know they time the parents or
Speaker 5: whatever and all they go. Well, e Walt was waiting
Speaker 5: for somebody, you know, that day, and you know her
Speaker 5: doors were I guess unlocked, and uh, Sloan and Scott
Speaker 5: just got in there and commandeer of the car and
Speaker 5: and and and just took off and uh they you know,
Speaker 5: threatened her that they would take her life. And it
Speaker 5: really Scott that was doing all the talking. Sloan was there,
Speaker 5: you know, kind of like to go along with the ride.
Speaker 5: He was just glad to be out of out of
Speaker 5: the lock up. But they ended up going to Ewall's
Speaker 5: house and they then after you know, they waited there
Speaker 5: a while. Uh you can't tell from some things that
Speaker 5: Scott said to her on the way out there. He
Speaker 5: was very paranoid. But then after that they ended up,
Speaker 5: you know, you know, taking off, and it's you know,
Speaker 5: very unfortunate because they ended up and I don't know
Speaker 5: if they saw this girl or not, but they ended
Speaker 5: up getting inside of a minister's house and he was
Speaker 5: not home at the time, but but his daughter was
Speaker 5: and the wife was in Louisville at a conference, might
Speaker 5: have been a Methodist conference, and this guy was like
Speaker 5: I think he I think I think he might have
Speaker 5: in the Methodist minister And so the you know, Scott's phone,
Speaker 5: you know, to get into this guy's house. It probably
Speaker 5: followed the girl started, you know, get up a buzz
Speaker 5: or something. I don't know, but they got into the
Speaker 5: home and then when the father came home with the son,
Speaker 5: of course, they were already inside and they you know,
Speaker 5: bound them up and made them sit and uh, apparently
Speaker 5: you know, when these things happen to people. The best
Speaker 5: thing that people can do is to survive, is to
Speaker 5: go along with it, and uh, try to maintain a
Speaker 5: car attitude. And I think the minister had a tough
Speaker 5: time doing that because Scott would later tell investigators that
Speaker 5: this guy was causing them when he was saying all
Speaker 5: kinds of things and you know, slowan, I mean Scott, Uh,
Speaker 5: the minister, you know, you know, they're they're they're they're
Speaker 5: they're tired, and they're on the run, and I mean,
Speaker 5: they're dangerous people, and you know, he shouldn't be doing that.
Speaker 5: And uh he said, you know you're sitting there, you know, cursing,
Speaker 5: and you got done to the ause, you got whiskey
Speaker 5: in the ass, and you call yourself a minister and you're
Speaker 5: you know, your cousiness. And so the apparently that that
Speaker 5: agitated Scott quite a bit, and of course, as often
Speaker 5: the case, the girl ended up being raped. But the
Speaker 5: friction between the father, the minister, and Scott just kept
Speaker 5: kind of like escalating, and uh it turned in the
Speaker 5: murder and after a while, and Sloan did not commit
Speaker 5: the murders. Okay, it was Scott, but uh, the all
Speaker 5: three were killed, you know, the minister and and both
Speaker 5: both the uh on a daughter and uh. Then when
Speaker 5: they made the break, they made their way up to
Speaker 5: I think it was Fouma of Kentucky and uh there
Speaker 5: was a guy there. I can't remember his name now,
Speaker 5: but it's in the area. He was like the night clerk.
Speaker 5: Do you do you remember that where.
Speaker 4: He had well there was actually was Elva. Elva Harper
Speaker 4: was a night clinch y.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he and they and he yeah, but he had
Speaker 5: a premonition like something was going to happen to him
Speaker 5: and uh if if you recall that, and yeah, and
Speaker 5: he and he was killed there by Scott. And there
Speaker 5: were some contract workers that were staying at the hotel too,
Speaker 5: who were doing repairs, uh in that area and uh,
Speaker 5: I think a couple of them were killed. And uh.
Speaker 5: The whole point of this is that with with with
Speaker 5: a on in his hand, Scott could commit murder and
Speaker 5: would not even had an eye. It was easy for
Speaker 5: him to murder. It just didn't bother him. Later, when
Speaker 5: he was captured, he said if I he said, if
Speaker 5: I got out, I would do it again. But what
Speaker 5: I found interesting and I also put this in the
Speaker 5: caption of this picture. But all right, I said, a
Speaker 5: pure homicidal psycopath Loomer Scott had no trouble killing defenseless
Speaker 5: people but refused to shoot it out for a single
Speaker 5: police officer. As far as I'm concerned, that speaks volumes
Speaker 5: of true cowardice in people. This man had no problem
Speaker 5: killing innocent people who didn't know, who were not armed.
Speaker 5: But when he and Sloma confronted, was confronted after this
Speaker 5: shooting in this hotel by this Loan police officer, I
Speaker 5: kid you not, they gave up. He wouldn't shoot it
Speaker 5: that way. And it's amazing, and uh yeah, pure sociopath
Speaker 5: and so you know he got the definitely, but he
Speaker 5: uh he told them that he would not you know,
Speaker 5: you know, he was he was going to take care
Speaker 5: of him thanks himself, and he did. He actually started
Speaker 5: a fire and burnt himself up in his bed. It
Speaker 5: was a strange, strange individual. I don't know how much
Speaker 5: time Sloan got. I'm sure he spent a long time,
Speaker 5: because you know, as far as the law was concerned,
Speaker 5: he was an accomplice to all of this. And sure,
Speaker 5: I'm sure he got he spent a long time in prison.
Speaker 4: I think you got life without parole. The interesting thing
Speaker 4: was in this rampage, and and we didn't talk about
Speaker 4: the kind of terry inflicted right away when he kidnapped
Speaker 4: the Walt and she told them that she was waiting
Speaker 4: for her daughter, and so the things they told her
Speaker 4: they were going to do to her daughter cut her
Speaker 4: up raper and then the other rapes and murders, and
Speaker 4: was interesting that the reverend, you know, incorrectly, he defied
Speaker 4: them and said things like you're going to go to
Speaker 4: the electric chair, which was too far off, but he
Speaker 4: didn't help his case. Regardless of these true psychopaths. In
Speaker 4: ten hours, they had killed six people and wounded two
Speaker 4: of them seriously. And in the simple ten hours of rampage. Interesting,
Speaker 4: very interesting, and you.
Speaker 5: Have to think that had the minister dealt with him differently,
Speaker 5: there's a good chance they all would have survived. I mean,
Speaker 5: they're just is. I mean, he didn't kill e Walt.
Speaker 5: If this guy would have been even kind to him,
Speaker 5: just calming him, just being normal with him, they might
Speaker 5: have survived. But when you have that that antagonism going
Speaker 5: off and name calling, I mean, the guy was just
Speaker 5: asking to be killed because you're dealing with a murderer.
Speaker 5: That might not, you know, kill you if you if
Speaker 5: you don't cross them and just let them do what
Speaker 5: they need to do. But he'll absolutely kill you if
Speaker 5: you start, you know, you know, causing them problem. So
Speaker 5: it's a shame, but I think that may have contributed
Speaker 5: to to their deaths.
Speaker 4: Well, we'd never know exactly what they did say to
Speaker 4: the to the young girl and if it was any
Speaker 4: indication what he's what they said to the awalt woman
Speaker 4: about their daughter. That maybe that didn't help either. So
Speaker 4: I mean, you're right, maybe, but I guess in the
Speaker 4: heat of the moment, he couldn't, you know, right logical
Speaker 4: in his thinking process. Right now, our next story is
Speaker 4: the one called the box Hill murders. And this is
Speaker 4: June nineteen seventy seven and Dennis Bulham, Jefferson County Police.
Speaker 4: There's nine one one call about a man gone berserk
Speaker 4: and shots were fired. And so tell us a little
Speaker 4: bit about this case here about and Kirk Ellington Tiff.
Speaker 5: Just to set the stage here, this home is called
Speaker 5: box Hill. It's a really nice estate. It is. It's
Speaker 5: a really pretty home. It is in a sec east
Speaker 5: of Louisville. If you go out of downtown Louisville and
Speaker 5: you head out what is known is the River Road
Speaker 5: and you and you travel east. You won't it won't
Speaker 5: take long. Within about you know, maybe four maybe three
Speaker 5: or four miles, you start hitting an area where these
Speaker 5: beautiful homes are and uh, and it's a lot of
Speaker 5: just nice homes and areas that run across that run
Speaker 5: along the river, the Ohio River. This is where a
Speaker 5: lot of old money is. And they the publishing family
Speaker 5: of the Bingham's and you know, had a home out
Speaker 5: here and it's just been a you know, a top
Speaker 5: spot for a lot of wealthy people in Louisville for
Speaker 5: as long as I can remember, from you know, just
Speaker 5: many many years ago. It's also a relatively quiet area. Okay,
Speaker 5: it doesn't seem to be a lot of homicides, and
Speaker 5: but you know, the problems that were in this one home.
Speaker 5: A lot of times there would just be uh, you know,
Speaker 5: a man and his wife. But when the son came home.
Speaker 5: His name was Kirk Ellington Tiff and he again, he
Speaker 5: was a son who had many problems and probably would
Speaker 5: have been diagnosed even then as a paranoid schizophrenic. He
Speaker 5: had had problems for a number of years and he
Speaker 5: had been living away and he had come home and
Speaker 5: as I recall, I think it was in the fall
Speaker 5: of that year. And it's almost cryptic, but his mother
Speaker 5: had written on the calendar, h Kirk arrived. This a m.
Speaker 5: And it's just it's a it's a sad tale because
Speaker 5: this is a this is a young man who was
Speaker 5: clearly descending into madness. And and you know, there were
Speaker 5: times that I remember from the police reports, there were
Speaker 5: times when you know, he would just yell at his mother,
Speaker 5: threaten her, uh, tell her what he was going to do,
Speaker 5: you know, threatening violence. You know, she was told by
Speaker 5: her attorney, you know, you know, you need to have
Speaker 5: them committed. There were other people that were aware of
Speaker 5: some things. They thought that they should do something about them.
Speaker 5: You know, the man she was married to, Kirk's you
Speaker 5: know stepfather. Uh, he was concerned, but he left apparently
Speaker 5: from the record, he left the final judgment as to
Speaker 5: what should happen to uh, their son, you know, to
Speaker 5: the mom if she wanted to commit him, I mean,
Speaker 5: he would, no doubt be all for that. Could not
Speaker 5: bring herself to do that, and she believed that that
Speaker 5: would hurt him greatly. She must have believed that he
Speaker 5: wouldn't bump her. But when you have somebody looking at
Speaker 5: you and they're foaming at the mouth and they're screaming,
Speaker 5: and they're and they're saying all these things that they're
Speaker 5: going to do and it has to do with violence
Speaker 5: and murder, it's time to believe that that's real. But
Speaker 5: they were actually right before they were murdered. They were
Speaker 5: they were packing up to move and they were going
Speaker 5: to sell this brand home and move somewhere else. And
Speaker 5: they had a few close friends and she had confided
Speaker 5: into uh to these women the problems she was having
Speaker 5: with her son, and all of them were in agreement
Speaker 5: that surely needed to do something about it. She just
Speaker 5: couldn't bring herself to do it. And a father, and
Speaker 5: he was, you know, he wouldn't talk about it as much.
Speaker 5: There were some times when he would confide in people,
Speaker 5: and he was more shutting off about it. He didn't
Speaker 5: want to talk about it too much. They probably thought,
Speaker 5: if we can just weather the storm, it'll be okay.
Speaker 5: But they couldn't learn the storm because it erupted. And
Speaker 5: it erupted one night, and just like in the case
Speaker 5: of Albert and Mabel Bower, that they too were slaughtered
Speaker 5: in this beautiful ho And just recently when we were
Speaker 5: putting the book together and I had to go up
Speaker 5: there and photographs it. It looks as nice today as
Speaker 5: it did back then. Interesting. Back then here in Louisville,
Speaker 5: we had a thing when anybody ever called the mambulance
Speaker 5: there would be a complid it, which is very interesting.
Speaker 5: They had a number of years when they had that.
Speaker 5: They don't have that anymore. And when I was researching
Speaker 5: this case, I was talking to one of the cops
Speaker 5: who was a police officer at the time. He said,
Speaker 5: you know, at the time this happened, there would be
Speaker 5: a police officer with anyone like this and you know,
Speaker 5: right in the ambula. And I said, yes, I was
Speaker 5: aware of that. And uh so, uh, you know, I
Speaker 5: guess anything will get shots fired or anything like that,
Speaker 5: but but it was, you know, it's just it's just interesting,
Speaker 5: there's something that horrible could happen here. Of course, after
Speaker 5: the murder, he takes his parents' car, takes whatever I
Speaker 5: guess money he can get. I mean, the place is
Speaker 5: a blood bad Uh well, you know where these people
Speaker 5: were killed, and he uh drives to Denver and he
Speaker 5: ditches the car near his uh uh father's place, his
Speaker 5: real father place, and uh, you know, the police track
Speaker 5: him there and uh, I mean and they talked to
Speaker 5: the dad. It's always he's not here anymore.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 5: And he had what he had done is he had
Speaker 5: uh he had cut his own hands because as he
Speaker 5: was murdering his parents, they were trying to put the
Speaker 5: fight and apparently the knives slipped or whatever, and he
Speaker 5: had cut and and some wounds on his own hands
Speaker 5: from where like the knife been slipping or something. So uh,
Speaker 5: he was actually being worked on in uh in Colorado
Speaker 5: when I was doing the case. Uh you know, they
Speaker 5: got the case file in front of and uh a
Speaker 5: lot of times there's there's you know, real evidence too.
Speaker 5: And uh so there were the car keys of the
Speaker 5: car and the stowing some other aspects things he had
Speaker 5: on him during the time this happened. Off to make
Speaker 5: a long, shorty store short, this kid was, this young
Speaker 5: man was sided. He didn't Travis Titans and stand Colorado Mouth.
Speaker 5: I have a personal connection to this case because this
Speaker 5: this person would be judged too mentally ill to stand trial.
Speaker 5: And he was housed in a place called Central State Hospital,
Speaker 5: and I have a brother. You dead now. But I
Speaker 5: had a brother who had blown his mind on drugs,
Speaker 5: and he too was at Central State Hospital. And so
Speaker 5: long before I wrote about this guy named Tiff, I
Speaker 5: would see him out there and I said, I wo
Speaker 5: to him once or whatever, and my brother told a
Speaker 5: funny story. He said, one morning, maybe a Sunday morning whatever,
Speaker 5: he said, Tiff. After after my brother had had his breakfast,
Speaker 5: he said, Tiff, well, his food was poisoned and offered
Speaker 5: my brother his breakfast. My brother said, I knew it
Speaker 5: wasn't boys, and I ate it. He said, Tip just
Speaker 5: stood there waiting for me to fall over something, but
Speaker 5: he didn't do it. But Tiff. One day, and I
Speaker 5: write about this in there without talking about my brother
Speaker 5: or or the connection there. Tiff goes in the bathroom
Speaker 5: and he gets a belt or something or welt something.
Speaker 5: I can't remember which, but it's it's on my brother's wing, okay,
Speaker 5: on this this wing that they shared with other patients.
Speaker 5: He goes back in the bathroom and hangs himself. And
Speaker 5: by the time they did it him, you know, he's uh.
Speaker 5: He came. They put him on the respirator, but he
Speaker 5: was apparent to be brained dead. So he had killed himself,
Speaker 5: and nobody really knew it until it was, you know,
Speaker 5: too late, But it was weird. And later when I
Speaker 5: did the case, I knew exactly who that was because
Speaker 5: I talked to him. It's the same way I had
Speaker 5: we get to the thing called the Iceman. I had
Speaker 5: seen doll eyes out there well. But it was a strange,
Speaker 5: strange case. And you know, I'm sure when people read
Speaker 5: the story. The book is actually selling very well and
Speaker 5: it's getting a lot of good reviews. And when you
Speaker 5: read the story, he almost kind of you can just
Speaker 5: feel where this thing is going, even before the parents
Speaker 5: are killed, you can just feel where it's going, and
Speaker 5: you want to be able to yell through the pages,
Speaker 5: you know, do something. If this kid committed whatever you
Speaker 5: have to do, do something. Surely Alexander would just never
Speaker 5: sound the order. So, you know, so her son, you know,
Speaker 5: Kirk Kirk Tiff, he just exploded one night and then
Speaker 5: that was it, and it all happened in that beautifulest
Speaker 5: tape that you can see to this day.
Speaker 4: What I wanted to say before we go wrap up
Speaker 4: this interview, what I wanted to say was the most
Speaker 4: fascinating part of this story was for me, was despite
Speaker 4: his clear cut insanity, he was able to convinced the
Speaker 4: father that he used to live with there was nothing amiss,
Speaker 4: and his father drove out of the hospital. When police
Speaker 4: contacted him, he didn't know anything about this and said, well,
Speaker 4: I'm not sure, but he was probably released from the hospital.
Speaker 4: And the very bizarre part of this story was is
Speaker 4: that when the police went to the store, went to
Speaker 4: the hospital, he was still there low and vield. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: and so very you know to me, when you're clear
Speaker 4: cut insane, but yet had the composure like a psychopath
Speaker 4: to be able to go And again, very very interesting
Speaker 4: that people could do that, that you could fool your
Speaker 4: own father after you just slaughtered your mother and your stepfather. Yes,
Speaker 4: again for no good reason whatsoever. No, no, and a
Speaker 4: complete overtill.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they weren't. They weren't laying a stone in his path.
Speaker 5: I mean that he lived there, he ate there. You know,
Speaker 5: they weren't doing anything that could have even even made
Speaker 5: him angry at them, and yet this was building in him,
Speaker 5: and it was you know, and I point out in
Speaker 5: the book, you know, I described I just shouted out
Speaker 5: there and she should have believed that she should. She
Speaker 5: couldn't bring herself to believe that person would kill her,
Speaker 5: but it and I think I think, I think Albert
Speaker 5: Mabel Bauer, we're in the same position. They didn't think
Speaker 5: their son would do that, but yet ye know it happened.
Speaker 5: It's just a horrible thing.
Speaker 4: Yes, certainly. Now we didn't get a chance to go
Speaker 4: We just covered just four stories out of this incredible tent.
Speaker 4: There is a wide variety, right like as we demonstrated here,
Speaker 4: from the insane killer with some twist and turns at
Speaker 4: trial to the guy with the Satanic Bible, and we
Speaker 4: have a host of other stories that really do qualify
Speaker 4: for weird and bizarre. I want to thank you very
Speaker 4: much much Kevin for coming on and for those that
Speaker 4: might want to explore other books that you have. I
Speaker 4: know you're with Wild Blue Press and you've been published
Speaker 4: before that, so tell us where they might find out
Speaker 4: more information about your work, and also if they like
Speaker 4: to contact you and send you a message.
Speaker 5: Sure, Okay, I have several publishers. I have been published
Speaker 5: by McFarland, Roman little Field. I'm publishing through Wild Blue
Speaker 5: Press right now with Life's About Wild Blue Press is
Speaker 5: that they If you're looking for any of my books,
Speaker 5: they list them all on my web page at wild
Speaker 5: Blue press dot com. I also write true crime blocks
Speaker 5: at wild Blue Press and all of that stuff is archives,
Speaker 5: so I have quite a bit of material that you
Speaker 5: can come there and read and you know, click into
Speaker 5: the archive and it has listing of all my books.
Speaker 5: If anybody wants to fire me an email if they
Speaker 5: have any questions or anything like that. Uh, you know,
Speaker 5: you can also you know, message me on at wild
Speaker 5: Boo Pressed as far as if you're commenting on any
Speaker 5: of the stories, but if you want to contact me directly,
Speaker 5: it's Kevin Underscore Sullivan s U. L L I V
Speaker 5: A N thirty one at yahoo dot com. Again, that's
Speaker 5: Kevin Underscore Sullivan at yahoo dot Uh, I'm sorry, Kevin
Speaker 5: Underscore Sullivan thirty one at yahoo dot com. And so
Speaker 5: you can you can you can email me there. Always
Speaker 5: answer all of my emails, so I'll make sure it
Speaker 5: doesn't get lost in the mix anywhere, and I'll get
Speaker 5: back to you as quickly as possible if you have
Speaker 5: any questions for comments.
Speaker 4: Well, it's been great talking to you and I want
Speaker 4: to thank you again for coming on talking about Kentucky Bloodmath,
Speaker 4: ten bizarre Tales of murder from the Bluegrass State. I
Speaker 4: hope to talk to you again real soon. I know
Speaker 4: you are real prolific writer, so I'm sure we'll be
Speaker 4: talking to you again real soon.
Speaker 5: All right, well listen, Dan, thank you so much. It's
Speaker 5: always a joy to be on the show. And I
Speaker 5: will see you on the next show. As they say,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 4: Thank you, Kevin. You have a great night. Good night
Speaker 4: you too.
Speaker 5: Bye bye bye bye