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Speaker 1: want to welcome Michael Cameron. He is an author from
Speaker 1: the United Kingdom. From a very early age, he has
Speaker 1: experienced paranormal activity and alien abduction phenomena. Michael, welcome, How you.
Speaker 2: Doing, Hi, Chris, I'm very well, Thank you.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. This is going
Speaker 1: to be a great discussion. As far as in my lifetime,
Speaker 1: the events and information surrounding phenomena like hauntings, ghosts, UFOs,
Speaker 1: and high strangeness in general has been having a noticeable
Speaker 1: impact on the collective in my perspective, and experiences like yours,
Speaker 1: I believe helping not only other experiencers abductees, but anyone
Speaker 1: drawn to the information being presented. It helps everyone to
Speaker 1: understand possibly what could be going on based on your
Speaker 1: own experiences. I believe it's the experiences of the person
Speaker 1: that has firsthand encounters that are some of the most
Speaker 1: important evidence we could have right now. Now, I know
Speaker 1: your experiences started at a young age. Let's start at
Speaker 1: the beginning. Tell us first a little bit about yourself
Speaker 1: and then how everything started with your experiences.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm a new time I'm a first time author.
Speaker 2: Just wrote my own book which is detailing you know,
Speaker 2: the events of my childhood, which is from my young
Speaker 2: age up until the age of seventeen from the United
Speaker 2: Kingdom and the East end of London. And you know,
Speaker 2: I've come here today to discuss this.
Speaker 1: So let's start where it all started for you. How
Speaker 1: old were you when everything started and what were the
Speaker 1: events that unfolded.
Speaker 2: Well, I was born premature, and I was in hospital
Speaker 2: apparently for a long time, and when I did come
Speaker 2: back to what would be my childhood home, so I
Speaker 2: actually was. I was actually raised in a strict Irish
Speaker 2: Roman Catholic environment and my dad at the time, he
Speaker 2: was a caretaker so of a school, you know, the
Speaker 2: junior Irish sorry, a Catholic school, and so we lived
Speaker 2: inside the school grounds. And so my book is basically
Speaker 2: focused primarily on the events that were that I experienced
Speaker 2: inside this house and within the school grounds. So yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, when when I come back from at my
Speaker 2: stay in the hospital, should we say the house started
Speaker 2: to experience a lot of paranormal activity, so you know
Speaker 2: that which previously, so I'm told by my parents at
Speaker 2: the time, had not occurred. You know, it could be
Speaker 2: just a coincidence, I guess, but and so the house
Speaker 2: started to experience you know, cold spots normally in the
Speaker 2: corners of the doors, objects would be moving around, they
Speaker 2: would vanish and then reappear in a different place. My mom.
Speaker 2: When my mum, when she was in the house alone,
Speaker 2: would experience you know, disembodied voices calling her or speaking
Speaker 2: to her. Often hear her name being called out, and
Speaker 2: when she's alone, she could feel a presence often standing
Speaker 2: behind her. You know, sometimes it a little bit quite sinister,
Speaker 2: you know that she would run out of the room
Speaker 2: and you know, often be telling my dad basically that
Speaker 2: something like this had happened. There was often you know,
Speaker 2: strange banging would occur at night quite a lot on
Speaker 2: the walls. And as I described it in my book
Speaker 2: that the walls are quite solid, so you know, normally
Speaker 2: when you bang a solid wall, you just get a
Speaker 2: thud sound. When this was happening that night, it was
Speaker 2: almost like echoing. It's almost like you know, stereo surround
Speaker 2: on the walls, so it's echoing out in an unusual way.
Speaker 2: And when my dad used to go downstairs to investigate,
Speaker 2: obviously he looked around looking, I guess for an intruder,
Speaker 2: and there was never no one there. And this was
Speaker 2: happening quite a lot, you know, almost every night she
Speaker 2: would have to get up and go down to investigate.
Speaker 2: And nothing was there. I mean, it did start to
Speaker 2: turn more sinister. You know. One of my brothers, my
Speaker 2: eldest brother, Frank, he was coming up. He was laying
Speaker 2: in bed and we had a large oak, brown wooden
Speaker 2: wardrobe and this was pushed on top of him when
Speaker 2: he was laying in bed, and he wasn't hurt, he
Speaker 2: was just you know, shocked. And then another time I
Speaker 2: have a brother, Kevin, he was walking up the stairs
Speaker 2: and he was he felt something pushed past him and
Speaker 2: pushed him down the stairs. And again he wasn't hurt,
Speaker 2: he was just again, you know, shocked. So it was
Speaker 2: only after you know, quite a few of these type
Speaker 2: of events that my parents then sought, you know, the
Speaker 2: advice of priests. So, you know, because the school was
Speaker 2: a Catholic school and we had a church up the
Speaker 2: road with a you know, a presbytery and a convent
Speaker 2: where the nuns and the priests would live. And my
Speaker 2: dad had been friends with quite a lot of priests,
Speaker 2: and so he got the help of one of the priests,
Speaker 2: para priests, and they come in and so no, they
Speaker 2: blessed their house. They went through the rooms, you know,
Speaker 2: the usual rituals that they do to you know, to
Speaker 2: smudge the type of you know, the rooms and the
Speaker 2: events then sort of settled down for a little while.
Speaker 2: So these were the first type of activities. But then
Speaker 2: my parents then went on to describe a little while
Speaker 2: after that that, you know, where my cot was in
Speaker 2: one of the bedrooms. They then described that they would
Speaker 2: see being standing looking down in my cot, you know,
Speaker 2: and these beings, when you know, they were asked what
Speaker 2: they looked like, they were looking like the classical gray
Speaker 2: that we now know to be grays in the you know,
Speaker 2: in euthology and often associated with you know, abductions. And
Speaker 2: these had been just standing looking over my cot, looking down,
Speaker 2: and you know, my mom and dad had seeing these
Speaker 2: and when the great had actually see them looking they
Speaker 2: were vanished. So there was the and another time my
Speaker 2: dad was telling me, you know, he was describing it
Speaker 2: as balls of lights floating around or moving through the
Speaker 2: walls around where my cot was. I mean, he didn't
Speaker 2: cam orbs at the time, but you know, that's what
Speaker 2: he described them as, blue lights moving, you know, like
Speaker 2: a ball of light moving through the walls or around
Speaker 2: where my cop was. But the activity seemed to be
Speaker 2: a lot of the time focused around me. I mean
Speaker 2: I did have I mean I got my two older
Speaker 2: brother older brothers, Francis Kevin and Sean News two years
Speaker 2: older than me. But it was Shorn that I had.
Speaker 2: I did have some experiences with as well as a child.
Speaker 2: So we did share a few things together, me and
Speaker 2: Shawn as we were, you know, as we were growing up.
Speaker 2: So and I don't think they spoke about it that
Speaker 2: much my parents because it was, you know, a close
Speaker 2: knit Irish community and it was very religious and so
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't want, I guess to be the
Speaker 2: talk of the community, which is understandable.
Speaker 1: So how did these experiences progress. I know that they
Speaker 1: were lasted quite a few years, and you had encounters
Speaker 1: with different beings and eventually you had some different understandings
Speaker 1: about what was going on. So tell us a little
Speaker 1: bit about how things progressed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I started to have, you know, what
Speaker 2: would be I guess, invisible friends. You know. I remember
Speaker 2: a time when I was up in my bedroom and
Speaker 2: you know, I could hear my mum coming up the
Speaker 2: staircase and the door was closed, the bedroom door was closed.
Speaker 2: I've been I was actually talking to two of my
Speaker 2: friends whom were, you know, a male and a female.
Speaker 2: And my mom come up and I could hear a
Speaker 2: standing out side of the door listening. I could hear
Speaker 2: her feet, you know, you know, as they changed as
Speaker 2: she stepped on one or to the other, you know,
Speaker 2: the floorboards with the creek. And then you know, she
Speaker 2: opened the door, and I turned away from my two
Speaker 2: friends to look towards my mom. And my mom was looking,
Speaker 2: you know, a little bit puzzled and said to me,
Speaker 2: you know who you look at, who you're talking to.
Speaker 2: I turned back to my friends to say, my two friends,
Speaker 2: you know, but when I look back, they wasn't there.
Speaker 2: And you know, being a child, I wasn't any under
Speaker 2: I didn't understand because you know, the windows were closed.
Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out where they had gone.
Speaker 2: There was no place where they were gone, you know.
Speaker 2: And then you know, I turned back to my mom,
Speaker 2: and you know, she looked at me, and then she
Speaker 2: she come into the room and knelt down beside me
Speaker 2: and just said, you know, I'm sure that they'll be back.
Speaker 2: You know, she's thinking that they were you know, invisible friends.
Speaker 2: But she went off downstairs to do whatever she was
Speaker 2: doing and left me to be and by myself. And
Speaker 2: you know what I didn't tell my parents. And I
Speaker 2: used to see these a lot, sometimes the man and
Speaker 2: the woman together, sometimes one of them on their own,
Speaker 2: or sometimes another a different one altogether, but they often
Speaker 2: looked the same. But what I didn't tell my parents
Speaker 2: was is that they thought these were children. They wasn't children.
Speaker 2: They were adults. They were different to the adults around me,
Speaker 2: you know. They were what would be I guess now
Speaker 2: to be the classic Nordic types in you know, classical eufology,
Speaker 2: So the long blonde hair, you know, the blue eyes,
Speaker 2: I cheekbones, very sort of athletic looking, but very taller,
Speaker 2: taller than the adults I was are used to. But
Speaker 2: when they used to talk to me, you know, they
Speaker 2: used to Again, you didn't talk through the mind, so
Speaker 2: I would hear the thoughts in my head, you know.
Speaker 2: But being a child, you don't question that to you
Speaker 2: so and I mean there was another time when I
Speaker 2: was downstairs my mom was I remember my mom in
Speaker 2: the kitchen preparing some lunch, and I was in the
Speaker 2: next room and I was actually playing with some of
Speaker 2: the match box cars. I don't know if you remember them.
Speaker 2: The toy cars on the carpet, and then I had
Speaker 2: this feeling, overwhelming feeling that I should go upstairs to
Speaker 2: one of the bedrooms. And it was like it was
Speaker 2: it was it's like a voice in my head, a feeling.
Speaker 2: That's why I can describe it. And you know, I
Speaker 2: just ignored it, really and then but it kept on
Speaker 2: getting It's almost like getting louder or more stronger, you know,
Speaker 2: pushing me to obey it. Really, it was like a command,
Speaker 2: I guess. And so then I put my cars down.
Speaker 2: My mom didn't notice me, I guess, you know, move off.
Speaker 2: And I remember going upstairs to the bedroom and remember
Speaker 2: when I got there, I just had a feeling at
Speaker 2: the time that once I was there, I had to
Speaker 2: stay there because somebody was coming. And you know, and
Speaker 2: immediately when I felt this, one of the two of
Speaker 2: the adults the Anordics appeared to me, which was the
Speaker 2: male one, and he walks sort of he walks close
Speaker 2: to me, and he was, you know, he was looking
Speaker 2: down at me in some you know, into my eyes,
Speaker 2: and I was looking into his eyes, and as a
Speaker 2: describe in the book, it felt like, for a moment,
Speaker 2: it felt like I dented into an altered state of consciousness,
Speaker 2: you know, or the ODDS factor.
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Speaker 2: You know where the everything around me suddenly vanished the
Speaker 2: same like I was in a you know, a vacuum
Speaker 2: or a cocoon, abobble or space where just me and
Speaker 2: him existed, but nothing else outside of that space existed.
Speaker 2: So there was a communication that was taking place between
Speaker 2: me and me and this you know, this Nordic beer.
Speaker 2: And you know, at the time, it felt like it
Speaker 2: felt like he was given me information or he was
Speaker 2: taking information from me in an exchange of some sort.
Speaker 2: I don't know what. I don't remember what that information was,
Speaker 2: but I do know it felt like an energetic connection
Speaker 2: or link had been made between my mind and ears,
Speaker 2: and he was either I was giving him something, which
Speaker 2: I don't know what that was, or he was or
Speaker 2: he was given me something, you know. But but I
Speaker 2: do remember though that when I come out of this
Speaker 2: altered state of consciousness, you know, it's almost like you
Speaker 2: were in a way, like drugged, I guess, and it
Speaker 2: felt then I felt I was actually felt afraid he
Speaker 2: had gone in this being had gone, but I felt
Speaker 2: I felt terror, you know, I don't know why. I
Speaker 2: just felt terror, and I needed to get out of
Speaker 2: that room and get away. And you know, something didn't
Speaker 2: feel right to me, and I remember running down the
Speaker 2: stairs almost you know, tripping over on myself, and I
Speaker 2: run back to my mum when I was saying to her, Mom, Mom,
Speaker 2: you know something had happened, and you know she, you know,
Speaker 2: she was asking me what it was, and she was
Speaker 2: trying to, you know, reassure me. And I just went
Speaker 2: back to playing them back to my toy cars, and
Speaker 2: I just forgot all about it, I did. You know,
Speaker 2: I did see these beings though, quite a lot, but
Speaker 2: it was always me that see them, and I was
Speaker 2: always on my own. You know, and sometimes it was
Speaker 2: just in different parts of the house. You know. I
Speaker 2: could be wandering around and I'd see one of them,
Speaker 2: and then they would vanish, you know, but it was
Speaker 2: only around you know. There was a time when I
Speaker 2: did see them, but there was another time when they
Speaker 2: suddenly vanished from my life. And you know, I've not
Speaker 2: seen them since, but I felt you know, but I mean,
Speaker 2: I've always been a little bit confused about, you know,
Speaker 2: if they were benevolent or not, or if in some
Speaker 2: ways they were there to groom me before what was
Speaker 2: to come. You know. You know, I spoke to some
Speaker 2: other people in the past, you know, that had these
Speaker 2: type of experiences, and again they had those type of
Speaker 2: feelings where they wasn't sure if the beings that they
Speaker 2: were dealing with were good or if they were actually
Speaker 2: creating a set of circumstances that would lead on to
Speaker 2: the next level of contacts, which would then for me,
Speaker 2: be more sinister and nefarious.
Speaker 1: At what age were the encounters you were just speaking of.
Speaker 2: These were four years old years old, Okay.
Speaker 1: At what age did you really start to have a
Speaker 1: better understanding or even a better memory of some of
Speaker 1: these events?
Speaker 2: Well, I started to investigate really the you know, the
Speaker 2: circumstances surrounding them into the nineteen nineties. Really, it was
Speaker 2: a long time before I actually started to really think, well,
Speaker 2: you know, something's going on here. And you know, back then,
Speaker 2: we you know, I didn't at that time when I
Speaker 2: grew up, we didn't have internet or anything. So the
Speaker 2: only you know, the only when I was looking into things,
Speaker 2: it was at a local library really, and the books
Speaker 2: that we had there, you know, there wasn't there was
Speaker 2: hardly anything to do with a baron m or let
Speaker 2: alone UFO books and UFOs or alien activity, you know.
Speaker 2: And also back then, you know, when I was growing up,
Speaker 2: and and it was quite you know, strict a lot
Speaker 2: of the time, you know, I was either in the
Speaker 2: church doing stuff with the church, or I was at
Speaker 2: the school. You know, we it was just you know,
Speaker 2: doing that type of stuff. So I never you know,
Speaker 2: me and Sean when we when we were you know,
Speaker 2: watching TV, we wasn't able to watch anything basically that
Speaker 2: would you know, influence us or anything like that. You know,
Speaker 2: we watched TV with our parents. You know, we often
Speaker 2: that said has the remote control for our parents, so
Speaker 2: you know, and when we you know, some people say,
Speaker 2: you know, you know, you would probably be looking seeing
Speaker 2: things like Jesus or the Virgin Mary, you know, because
Speaker 2: that's what we had when we were growing up. It
Speaker 2: was very it was a very strict religious you know.
Speaker 2: I mean most of the time, you know, I was
Speaker 2: around priests and nuns most of the time, you know,
Speaker 2: and doing biblical classes. So there was nothing there that
Speaker 2: could be of an influence to us. So, you know, So.
Speaker 1: Moving forward, how did the experiences progress as you got older?
Speaker 1: Did you ever have encounters with different types of beings
Speaker 1: that you could remember, or any experiences where you were
Speaker 1: taken from a location.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I had, I mean an encounter that
Speaker 2: we me and Sean had together. We were in the
Speaker 2: it was the summer holidays. It was the school holidays,
Speaker 2: you know, for six weeks holiday. My dad at the
Speaker 2: time of being in the school looking working with the
Speaker 2: clingers and doing deliveries. But when Dad come back to
Speaker 2: the house to have a back between me and Sean
Speaker 2: decided to go over to the school. It was empty,
Speaker 2: there was no one else there, and we went in
Speaker 2: to play a game of hide and seek, and I
Speaker 2: remember being in the which would be the school corridors
Speaker 2: where the indoors and outdoors boys and girls toilets were.
Speaker 2: And I went off to hide, and Seng was counting
Speaker 2: to ten, but somewhere in between that I could hear
Speaker 2: Sean counting. But then suddenly it went quiet. You know.
Speaker 2: At first, I was thinking to myself, you know, he's
Speaker 2: he wants me to come out so he can discover
Speaker 2: where I'm hiding, you know, to trick me. But because
Speaker 2: I couldn't hear him still counting, after a while, I
Speaker 2: just went out. I come out from where I was
Speaker 2: hiding to investigate, and I see him standing where it
Speaker 2: would be It's basically where the school indoor library was
Speaker 2: and the secretary's office. And he was standing there, and
Speaker 2: in front of us would be two likes glass wire
Speaker 2: doors swing doors, so there was two of these and
Speaker 2: another set of two that would lead into what would
Speaker 2: be the school hall or gymnasium. And he was pointing
Speaker 2: at something, you know, through the glass doors. At first,
Speaker 2: I couldn't see what it was, and so I moved
Speaker 2: closer to his position, and then I looked to where
Speaker 2: his finger was pointing, and he was saying, what is that?
Speaker 2: What is it? But when I looked there was this
Speaker 2: peculiar creature standing literally next to what would be the
Speaker 2: school piano, and he's just staring back at us. But
Speaker 2: you know, when I look now, and as it's described
Speaker 2: in my book, the only closes, the only close you know,
Speaker 2: some similar rate, a similar creature that I can find
Speaker 2: that looks like this would be from the tour being
Speaker 2: coming out of the under craft, the big craft in
Speaker 2: the closing counters of the third kind. But at that
Speaker 2: time when we had this encounter, the closing Counters wasn't
Speaker 2: being It wasn't created, you know, or it wasn't you know,
Speaker 2: in the UK. So so this is the only thing
Speaker 2: I can describe it really as. And it was just
Speaker 2: standing there, you know, with his tall head, he had
Speaker 2: big eyes, had the long arms which was past its knees,
Speaker 2: and we again we had we both of us, we
Speaker 2: entered into an altered state of consciousness. It felt like
Speaker 2: we were you know, chained to the spots. We couldn't move,
Speaker 2: but we were just staring at this creature, this strange
Speaker 2: looking creature. But then after a while, and you know,
Speaker 2: it seemed to be a time when we were you know,
Speaker 2: time was missing. When we come back out of this,
Speaker 2: you know. Again, there was this feeling of terror, feeling
Speaker 2: that something had happened, something wasn't quite right, and we
Speaker 2: needed to get away, you know, And so we both
Speaker 2: were running away and I remember, you know me, I
Speaker 2: remember my heart thumping. I was really afraid, and I
Speaker 2: was running and running, and we run back through the
Speaker 2: school doors where we originally came in from, and we
Speaker 2: were going to run the home to tell our parents.
Speaker 2: But at the time my dad was coming back into
Speaker 2: the school. He was coming upstairs and he asked, you know,
Speaker 2: what was the matter. And Sean, it was Sean that
Speaker 2: first said that there's somebody in the school hall, and
Speaker 2: you know, he said that it's not human. In my
Speaker 2: I remember our dad looking our faces, you know, trying
Speaker 2: to see if we were trying to you know, whind
Speaker 2: your heart. Well, I guess or I have a joke
Speaker 2: with him, but he could see, you know, we were afraid,
Speaker 2: and he just said to us, you know, to wait there,
Speaker 2: and he would look. Obviously he's not looking for what
Speaker 2: we said it was. He's looking for an intruder, a
Speaker 2: human intruder. So he's gone off to look. He's told
Speaker 2: us to wait there, and after a little while he
Speaker 2: come back and he just said, there's nobody there. He
Speaker 2: searched or around. There's no broken windows, forced the windows,
Speaker 2: force doors, everything's locked. And so, you know, he just
Speaker 2: told us, though he didn't really sort of question us
Speaker 2: in that and say, oh, it's nothing. He just told
Speaker 2: us to go back to the house or stay close
Speaker 2: to the house.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: But my parents were they were quite, you know, they
Speaker 2: got used to us saying things, particularly me, I was
Speaker 2: always saying that I'd seen something, something had happened. And
Speaker 2: again it was quite. Their response was quite, you know, quite.
Speaker 2: It's not a response you would think you would get.
Speaker 2: You know, they wasn't saying, you know, you just your imagination.
Speaker 2: It was almost like they knew something that wasn't saying
Speaker 2: it really, I mean. And then a little while after
Speaker 2: that that encounter there me and Sean had I was
Speaker 2: in my parents. It was one night, one winter night.
Speaker 2: My parents were they were going to you know, after
Speaker 2: we had something to eat, they were going outside to
Speaker 2: the garage which was just adjacent to where the kitchen
Speaker 2: would be, and they were going to lay some new
Speaker 2: tiles down because the other ones were coming loose. And
Speaker 2: my mom and dad went out there, and Sean went
Speaker 2: with them, my older two but my Frances and Kevin
Speaker 2: were a lot older than me and Sean, so they
Speaker 2: had already you know, at work now and gone out
Speaker 2: to do whatever they were doing. So there was nobody
Speaker 2: on the house. But I asked if I could remain
Speaker 2: in the house, and and my mom had some I
Speaker 2: remember my mom had some dishes to do, and I
Speaker 2: said to her I would do them for her, you know.
Speaker 2: And I remember my dad telling me to lock the door,
Speaker 2: you know, the kitchen door. So I locked the door
Speaker 2: like he said. And I remember, because I was small still,
Speaker 2: I wasn't able to reach the taps. So I remember
Speaker 2: getting a chair and turning it around and kneeling on
Speaker 2: it to put some water in the sink to put
Speaker 2: the cups and saucers in, you know, or plates and cutlery,
Speaker 2: and I remember washing up. But then in the room opposite,
Speaker 2: I remember seeing something from you know, the side of the
Speaker 2: riveral vision to the side of my eye and saw
Speaker 2: it the side of my eyes, and I could see
Speaker 2: a movement there and then I sort of looked like
Speaker 2: that and I could see this strange man standing there
Speaker 2: just staring at me. And you know, I didn't know
Speaker 2: who it was at the time, you know, because I
Speaker 2: know there was nobody in the house. The door was locked,
Speaker 2: like Dad told me to lock it. Everyone I was out,
Speaker 2: and I just but the strange thing about him. He
Speaker 2: was dressed completely yeah there, you know, and he had
Speaker 2: a black hat on, but the most sinister part of
Speaker 2: him was his dark glasses. So he was just standing there,
Speaker 2: you know, looking at me, and I was like frozen
Speaker 2: to the spot because I didn't know who it was,
Speaker 2: and I knew it wasn't a ghost because it looked
Speaker 2: he looked solid, you know, And then I looked away
Speaker 2: for a moment. But when I look back, you know,
Speaker 2: I looked across again and he had gone. So he
Speaker 2: either vanished, I was thinking he'd ever vanished, or he
Speaker 2: walked off into the next room, which would be the
Speaker 2: you know, the hallway which will lead to the staircase
Speaker 2: going upstairs, or toilet downstairs, toilet, or there was another
Speaker 2: room there. But at the time, you know, for a moment,
Speaker 2: I was frozen to the spot, not through paralysis, I
Speaker 2: was just afraid because and then eventually I you know,
Speaker 2: I was able to move, and I moved quickly towards
Speaker 2: the kitchen door to the key to unlock it, and
Speaker 2: my hands were shaking, and at the same time I
Speaker 2: was looking over my shoulder to see where he was
Speaker 2: in case he was going to hurt me. But I
Speaker 2: did feel at the time that he wanted to hurt
Speaker 2: me in some way. There was a feeling that he
Speaker 2: wanted to do me harm in some way. And then
Speaker 2: eventually I did and manage to open the door, and
Speaker 2: they run out, and I banged on the garage door,
Speaker 2: you know. And then after a few moments the door
Speaker 2: opened up and my dad come from underneath it, and
Speaker 2: again I was telling him that Dad was somebody in
Speaker 2: the house, to somebody in the house, you know. And
Speaker 2: then my dad told me to wait there with my
Speaker 2: mum and brother. And as he was going back in
Speaker 2: the house, I remember picking maybe something up, like an object,
Speaker 2: maybe a piece of wood or metal to confront anyone
Speaker 2: in the house. But then I remember my brother Francis
Speaker 2: coming back early from wherever he'd been, and I remember
Speaker 2: Dad saying to him that you know, there's somebody in
Speaker 2: the house and to follow him. So anyway, he was
Speaker 2: an house for a little while, and then they come
Speaker 2: out and they just said, there's nobody there. Again, you know,
Speaker 2: there's no doors being opened. The chain was on the
Speaker 2: on the front door, the bolts on windows were closed,
Speaker 2: so you know, and then my dad told me to
Speaker 2: go back in the house, and I went in with
Speaker 2: my mum and Sean, and then Dad obviously locked up
Speaker 2: the garage. And I don't know what become of that,
Speaker 2: but later on my brothers told me it was discussed
Speaker 2: a lot between you know, my mum and Dad used
Speaker 2: to talk to it about it and discuss it with
Speaker 2: close friends, but never really with me.
Speaker 1: And sure there would be discussing your experiences.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so, but back then, you know, I didn't know
Speaker 2: the name for you know, the grades or or gets
Speaker 2: the Nordics, and certainly not for you know, the MB
Speaker 2: and that's definitely what that this particular individual looked like,
Speaker 2: you know, I did. I did later on. I have
Speaker 2: other associations with or encounters with these type of beings mbs,
Speaker 2: and some of them were obviously some of them were
Speaker 2: also outside of the body encounters with these particular beings,
Speaker 2: so you know, I did learn a little bit more
Speaker 2: about them as time went on.
Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about some of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've always been able to leave my body.
Speaker 2: I've been able to do this at a very young age.
Speaker 2: So my consciousness is able to travel outside of my body.
Speaker 2: Normally I can go you know, I traveled just in
Speaker 2: the immediate environment. In the beginning. I started to do
Speaker 2: that in the what would be the school grounds. So
Speaker 2: in one of these particular encounters in the you know,
Speaker 2: it's so it's not an astral projection. It's different. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you you know, the astral projections is when you
Speaker 2: go into the fourth dimension. So this is just you know,
Speaker 2: like stepping outside your body and you're in the room here.
Speaker 2: So and I used to basically move around the school
Speaker 2: grounds when I learned how to do it, and so
Speaker 2: it's in real time, basically outside. But I did have
Speaker 2: encounters with these particular being sometimes outside of the body
Speaker 2: in the area of the school grounds. So I encountered them.
Speaker 2: And I did have times when I I hadn't encountered
Speaker 2: with them where there was a light in the sky
Speaker 2: in front of me. And remember these two m ibs,
Speaker 2: I guess standing in front of me, and they seem
Speaker 2: to be like threatening me, like telling me not to
Speaker 2: talk about this type of stuff to anyone and get
Speaker 2: what I see, you know, so and I remember just
Speaker 2: these very small discussions with these particular beings and then
Speaker 2: returning back to my body. So these things that I've
Speaker 2: recalled over the years, you know, in books that have
Speaker 2: wrote down in just in case as you go further on,
Speaker 2: you know, you has some sort of link, you can
Speaker 2: join the link together. You know, it's better to record
Speaker 2: everything really and never chuck anything away because you never
Speaker 2: know when you make that link.
Speaker 1: You have a couple of other experiences that I definitely
Speaker 1: want to get to here in your talking points. One
Speaker 1: that says something about stretcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's the title of one of the
Speaker 2: chapters in our book. It discusses it's an encounter basically
Speaker 2: an experience that I had when it was in the
Speaker 2: middle of the night. So I was asleep and then
Speaker 2: something woke me up. So you know, in the in
Speaker 2: I was when we were children, Manshuret, we used to
Speaker 2: sleep in the same bed, in the big bed, and
Speaker 2: I remember being in the bed being asleep, but something
Speaker 2: woke me up in the middle of the night. My
Speaker 2: parents bedroom was literally next door, and I remember looking
Speaker 2: down the end of the bed at the you know,
Speaker 2: the rear of the bed, and I remember seeing these
Speaker 2: three creatures, which now you know, I can identify as
Speaker 2: being Grace. So there's three of these grays standing at
Speaker 2: the end of the bed, and they were just like
Speaker 2: looking at me, you know. And often when I had
Speaker 2: these encounters, and you know, when I tried to wake
Speaker 2: Sure up, he would never wake up. He would never
Speaker 2: you know, I was pushing him and poking him, and
Speaker 2: it's almost like he was, you know, put to sleep.
Speaker 2: And I remember these these three beings. Two of these
Speaker 2: beings moved away from the rear of the bed and
Speaker 2: they moved to my side of the bed, and I
Speaker 2: remember being floated up from the bed and I was
Speaker 2: actually placed inside what would be like a black stretcher,
Speaker 2: just a normal black stretcher, and I was placed down
Speaker 2: in this stretcher and I remember, and what I find
Speaker 2: unusual is that I didn't shout out. I didn't call
Speaker 2: out when you think, you know, I wasn't able to
Speaker 2: move my body. I was only able to move my eyes.
Speaker 2: And it was only later on that I realized that
Speaker 2: these particular beings, they can create a paralysis in you,
Speaker 2: but they can't stop your eyes from moving, so, you know.
Speaker 2: And often what I found is is they often at
Speaker 2: first they stay out of you, from you. I don't
Speaker 2: know if that's create terror in you, but they don't
Speaker 2: often move in your in your vision, you know, where
Speaker 2: you can see them. There's always off to the side
Speaker 2: somewhere until they want to be seeing. But in this
Speaker 2: particular case, I remember the stretcher being lifted up or
Speaker 2: floating up. It didn't need any any assistance, and two
Speaker 2: of the beings were behind it and it was moving
Speaker 2: over the bed. She went through the glass a bedroom window,
Speaker 2: without breaking and I went through it with it, you know.
Speaker 2: And I don't think in this particular case, this one
Speaker 2: was an out of body experience. I do believe it
Speaker 2: was a physical and I did actually go through that glass,
Speaker 2: you know, And you know at the time that's you know,
Speaker 2: it's quite extraordinary. But when we are where we are now,
Speaker 2: you know, when you understand science, even if it's at
Speaker 2: an advanced level, and we might not necessarily be there yet,
Speaker 2: you know, it's obviously a science of some sort that
Speaker 2: we're just catching up with. So it's not really something magical,
Speaker 2: is it, or it's just something at the time we
Speaker 2: didn't understand. So I remember going through the glass and
Speaker 2: just outside the window there's like a roof acting like
Speaker 2: a balcony, and it's also in the room below is
Speaker 2: where another encounter that I'll talk about took place, which
Speaker 2: was more sinister. And I remember being at the first
Speaker 2: just I guessed, in this stretcher, and the stretcher was
Speaker 2: laid down basically on this roof, and I remember seeing
Speaker 2: a light above us in the sky, just over the rooftops,
Speaker 2: you know. And this was in the middle of the night,
Speaker 2: and you know, there's a although there was no people around,
Speaker 2: they must, you know. I wonder sometimes if anyone else
Speaker 2: did see this strange sight, or if it was you know,
Speaker 2: in some way made invisible. But I remember then floating
Speaker 2: up in this stretcher with these three grays is one
Speaker 2: in the front of it and two at the back,
Speaker 2: just floating up towards this light. But I remember, you know,
Speaker 2: on the stretcher, I could see basically us moving up
Speaker 2: towards this light. I couldn't see what the light was,
Speaker 2: but there was something bright just above us, above the rooftops.
Speaker 2: And I remember then seeing over the you know, I
Speaker 2: could see the I could see the schoolhouse and the
Speaker 2: roof of the schoolhouse, and when I looked across, I
Speaker 2: could see other buildings, you know, that were obviously there,
Speaker 2: and so, you know, but then after that, I don't
Speaker 2: remember anything. And then what I do remember is being
Speaker 2: back in my bed. But when I was back in
Speaker 2: my bed, I remember blood on the pillowcase, you know.
Speaker 2: And it was only after these type of events that
Speaker 2: I started to have then lots of nose bleeds, and
Speaker 2: when those were really sensitive, it was bleeded easily, and
Speaker 2: I would start to get obviously sinus infections as well,
Speaker 2: you know, I started to have a lot of these.
Speaker 2: I remember also. You know, another thing that's quite strange
Speaker 2: is that you often find with a lot of abductees
Speaker 2: is that when they were children, they would suffer from
Speaker 2: lots of types, lots of different types of illnesses, and
Speaker 2: you know, and I was exactly the same. I had
Speaker 2: lots of stuff wrong with me as a child. You know.
Speaker 2: I even had arlette fever, you know, and I actually
Speaker 2: went blind with it. And I've spoken to a few
Speaker 2: other abductees and they had scarlet fever as well. They
Speaker 2: didn't go blind with it, but they did have eye fever.
Speaker 2: You know, there seems to be some type of similarities
Speaker 2: with illnesses with abductees as well.
Speaker 1: I found now eventually you had experiences with not only
Speaker 1: these creatures, but military personnel.
Speaker 2: Is that right, I did have an encounter. Well, you
Speaker 2: know what I find is what I find strange as well,
Speaker 2: is I do question the experience I had with the
Speaker 2: graves and the stretcher because it's not normally their methodology
Speaker 2: to use these type of objects, because why would they
Speaker 2: They can float. It seems more of a man made
Speaker 2: thing to me. So I'm wondering if this was a
Speaker 2: military experience where the military we were, you know, in
Speaker 2: a way creating the screen memories off there have been grays,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean people might question, you know, why
Speaker 2: would they do that? But you know, my life did
Speaker 2: come more into more of the military side of it
Speaker 2: as I you know, as I go through my life,
Speaker 2: there's a lot more, you know, I am actually involved
Speaker 2: with that side of it more, and you know, which
Speaker 2: is a lot stranger than the having these encounters with
Speaker 2: the grays.
Speaker 1: Really, So tell us a little bit about how you
Speaker 1: found out about the military side of this.
Speaker 2: Well, I've had you know, I've got a lot of
Speaker 2: experiences which are basically based around the you know, these
Speaker 2: type of activities with military personnel. And I've discovered a
Speaker 2: lot more about myself now, you know, and you know,
Speaker 2: different types of projects that I've been involved with with
Speaker 2: the military, even as a child. You know, where you're
Speaker 2: brought in as a my lab so a military of duty.
Speaker 1: Do you have family that was involved with the military,
Speaker 1: friends anything?
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I mean my dad. My dad was
Speaker 2: on outer appearances, he was a normal guy, but there
Speaker 2: was a lot of strange things that took place, you know,
Speaker 2: in his life. I mean, my dad was a Grand
Speaker 2: Knights templar, and so my dad when I was growing up,
Speaker 2: I often explained it some podcasts and two people. When
Speaker 2: I was growing up, the most of the adults that
Speaker 2: I did come into contact with, there were high ranking
Speaker 2: members of the church. My dad, I had friends in
Speaker 2: a Vatican in Rome. He had lots of cardinal friends.
Speaker 2: He knew, he knew a lot of the time. We
Speaker 2: had high rank in Free Masons in the police that
Speaker 2: would come into my house as a child. These were
Speaker 2: high level free Masons and and the rest were military personnel.
Speaker 2: I mean, my dad, I grew up in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 2: My dad was an engineer, a flight engineer in the
Speaker 2: Royal Air Force during the war. My mum built Lancaster
Speaker 2: bombers and the munitions factories during the war, and you know,
Speaker 2: my dad obviously did because of that time. He had
Speaker 2: friends who had been served in the military in different
Speaker 2: different places. You know, I learned recently that my uncle
Speaker 2: may have been part of the original sas the twenty
Speaker 2: two Special Air Service served in Africa during World War Two.
Speaker 2: But you know, that's something I'm looking into at the moment.
Speaker 2: So there are connections. You know, my uncles were in
Speaker 2: the you know, in the Navy, the connections with that
Speaker 2: type of thing. And my older brother, my oldest brother, Frank,
Speaker 2: he was telling me, you know, he knows a lot
Speaker 2: more about my parents than what I do, and there's
Speaker 2: quite a lot of secret secrecy in my family, and
Speaker 2: you know, he says to me that Dad, there was
Speaker 2: a lot more to Dad that he did in the
Speaker 2: war than was actually told, you know, that he was
Speaker 2: in He said he was in the flight of flight
Speaker 2: engineer in the Royal Let Force, but he said he
Speaker 2: was dealing with other types of activities in the war.
Speaker 2: But that was never spoken about, and and Frank said,
Speaker 2: you know, even you know Francis, he would never tell
Speaker 2: me really what they were, but he just said there
Speaker 2: was a lot more. There's a lot more to Dad
Speaker 2: than meets the eye, you know. I remember though, when
Speaker 2: my dad did pass, you know, when he died when
Speaker 2: I was fifteen years old from a massive heart attack.
Speaker 2: But I do remember at his funeral. You know, this
Speaker 2: funeral was unusual as well. It was held by six priests,
Speaker 2: and the church was a really large church, and it
Speaker 2: had you know balca galleries that were always empty, but
Speaker 2: at his funeral is all of the gallery were full
Speaker 2: up and the whole of the church was full up.
Speaker 2: And outside which led onto a really busy road, there
Speaker 2: was lots of people outside, and there was even police
Speaker 2: there because there were so many people. And I remember
Speaker 2: leaning into my mum and I said, Mom, Mom, I said,
Speaker 2: do all these people and she said, I don't know,
Speaker 2: you know, And so there was loads of people there,
Speaker 2: you know that we didn't, you know, loads of people.
Speaker 2: And then at the end of the funeral, some of
Speaker 2: the one of the priests approached my mom and he said,
Speaker 2: in all the time he's done funerals, he'd never seen
Speaker 2: a funeral, so with so many people in it, you know,
Speaker 2: and so that was quite unusual. There was a lot
Speaker 2: of people there that were you know, they looked military,
Speaker 2: and they looked like they could be Freemasons, so you know,
Speaker 2: so there was a lot of there was a lot
Speaker 2: of activity around my dad that just didn't make sense,
Speaker 2: I guess, you know, but there is, you know, there
Speaker 2: is a twist on all this that I will discuss later.
Speaker 2: That's why I did sell over about the complexity of
Speaker 2: secrets of bloodline.
Speaker 1: Now, when did these experiences come to somewhat of an end?
Speaker 1: Are are you still experiencing some of this?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, it's never stopped for me. I mean at
Speaker 2: the moment. For me, it's the military side that I
Speaker 2: have a lot of activity with at the moment. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't discuss that side of things at the moment.
Speaker 2: I mean a lot of the time, it's because I'm
Speaker 2: trying to get my head around it. Really, to be fair,
Speaker 2: you know, it's quite I think my life is quite
Speaker 2: I guess a lot of the time is quite mysterious
Speaker 2: and an other times quite dangerous. With some of the
Speaker 2: activities that happened to me.
Speaker 1: So what are some other important points of your life
Speaker 1: that we haven't discussed yet that should be brought up
Speaker 1: right now.
Speaker 2: I mean, when I was a child, you know, I
Speaker 2: was able to do things. I had specific abilities. I
Speaker 2: was able to move objects without touching them telekinesis, and
Speaker 2: that was tested. I remember being taken away and tested
Speaker 2: for this particular ability. But again I didn't find out
Speaker 2: what the test result so that was, or why I
Speaker 2: was actually tested. I guess they were just interested, I do.
Speaker 2: I have come to understand now that the Grades when
Speaker 2: they took me, when they took me as a baby,
Speaker 2: I was taken by them as a baby, they were
Speaker 2: interested in my DNA. There was something in my DNA
Speaker 2: they were interested in at the age of four. Between
Speaker 2: the age of four and five, I had lots of
Speaker 2: experiences with the Grades who abducted me, quite a lot,
Speaker 2: and they did actually remove something from me that was
Speaker 2: taken away to cause me harm. This I've discovered again
Speaker 2: with the military. So you know, it was there to
Speaker 2: sort of cause me problems as I go through my life,
Speaker 2: to make it harder for me to do things and
Speaker 2: to make connections with people that I needed to make
Speaker 2: those connections with I guess on the spiritual level as
Speaker 2: we go through our life. So it's done deliberately to
Speaker 2: cause me harm. And I've discovered as well that's the
Speaker 2: case with the activities with those that I have experience
Speaker 2: with the military side. You know, when we talk about
Speaker 2: the military, I'm not talking about the people that go
Speaker 2: into the military and they're serving their country. There these
Speaker 2: are different types of military that work in the background.
Speaker 2: You know, if it's so to speak, you know, you're
Speaker 2: not going to see these These are ones that act
Speaker 2: in I guess illegally behind the scenes, and they do
Speaker 2: have you know a lot of the my lads and
Speaker 2: military abductions that happen. You know that you often find
Speaker 2: that the abductions. You got the alien abductions with the Grays,
Speaker 2: and then then you have these encounters with these military types.
Speaker 2: You know. So and there's lots of different projects that
Speaker 2: are involved with, it seems abductions with the military that
Speaker 2: these children go into. You know, the one of the
Speaker 2: encounters I had like great gray nights of trauma, and
Speaker 2: this was in that room I was telling you below.
Speaker 2: You know where the balcony roof is, so in the
Speaker 2: room below, I remember one night going out into the
Speaker 2: school grounds. You know everyone I used to go out
Speaker 2: in the school grounds and you know, I remember going
Speaker 2: into the large school playground. It's nighttime, it's quite late,
Speaker 2: arely anyone around any Every now and again, you would
Speaker 2: see police cars going up and down the road because
Speaker 2: we lived just oop it where one of the largest
Speaker 2: police stations were in London. So you often see the
Speaker 2: cars with the you know, the blues and the two's,
Speaker 2: the lights and the sirens buying out to to some
Speaker 2: some sort of incident. And I remember I was, I
Speaker 2: just turned sixteen, and I remember being in the large
Speaker 2: school playground and I was actually kneeling down and I
Speaker 2: was listening on a it was a cassette, a Sony
Speaker 2: cassette or Sony a cassette recorder, and I remember listening
Speaker 2: to Spirit of the Red Man by New World Music.
Speaker 2: So I remember what it was. I was being and
Speaker 2: on a on a you know, cassette, and I remember,
Speaker 2: you know, at that time, I used to even at
Speaker 2: that age, I used to meditate, even at a young age,
Speaker 2: I used to meditate and go out and you know,
Speaker 2: clear my mind and focus my thoughts. And I guess
Speaker 2: at the time as well, I was trying to understand
Speaker 2: what was happening to me even then, but not really
Speaker 2: with any clear clarity, you know, any or wasn't able
Speaker 2: to articulate really what was happening to me. I just
Speaker 2: knew I was having all these strange experiences, and a
Speaker 2: lot of the time they were quite frightening to me.
Speaker 2: You know, I couldn't stop them, and they would continue
Speaker 2: and continue. I didn't have anyone to talk to about it,
Speaker 2: you see, I mean growing up where I grew up.
Speaker 2: And he had two options, and that was to talk
Speaker 2: to the priest and he would tell me I was,
Speaker 2: you know, in league with the devil and chuck early
Speaker 2: water over me. And then you know, another time, I
Speaker 2: have an experience which I can tell you about with
Speaker 2: the GP with my family doctor.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 2: But on this particular night though, I always remember, you know,
Speaker 2: I was actually meditating and then I felt that there
Speaker 2: was some think watching me. You know, I couldn't explain it.
Speaker 2: It felt like it was coming from above me, like
Speaker 2: someone was just watching you. You know. It felt a
Speaker 2: bit like you know, just being monitored, I guess. Anyway,
Speaker 2: you know, after a while, it was getting late and
Speaker 2: I was getting tired, I decided to go back, you know,
Speaker 2: to go to sleep. I remember walking back to the house.
Speaker 2: You know, it's shielded in a you know, a coat
Speaker 2: of darkness. Everyone had gone a bed, basically, and so
Speaker 2: I remember going in and going up the staircase. But
Speaker 2: as I was sort of in between, you know, in
Speaker 2: the middle of going up the stairs and going further
Speaker 2: up to where my bedroom would be, I felt a
Speaker 2: feeling in my mind that I shouldn't go upstairs. You know,
Speaker 2: it's a strong feeling, you know, you often feel it's
Speaker 2: your own thoughts. And then I was thinking myself and
Speaker 2: then so I took, you know, a step up again
Speaker 2: to go up and then I felt again this feeling
Speaker 2: you don't need to go upstairs, just go downstairs and
Speaker 2: sleep on the sofa. So I remember then, you know,
Speaker 2: turning around and going back down the stairs, you know.
Speaker 2: I remember a hot summer's night, and I remember going
Speaker 2: into the the living room and I remember closing the door.
Speaker 2: The room was quite dark still. We had some thick
Speaker 2: green curtains up that were pulled in the closed shirt.
Speaker 2: They were quite heavy curtains that hung on the on
Speaker 2: the windows. And I remember laying down on the couch
Speaker 2: and I didn't need no, I didn't need to get
Speaker 2: undressed because it was hot, and I didn't need to cover,
Speaker 2: so I just laid on the couch and I was
Speaker 2: quite tired at that time. And then I just, you know,
Speaker 2: I just closed my eyes for a few moments, but
Speaker 2: then only adam closed for just a few moments. Then I,
Speaker 2: you know, opened up quickly, and I felt a feeling
Speaker 2: of red. You know, with even an abduction. You know,
Speaker 2: over the course of time, when you have these experiences,
Speaker 2: you do feel this feeling of terror. You have this
Speaker 2: feeling of dread, and you know you're almost having this
Speaker 2: panic attack. You know, your mouth goes dry and your
Speaker 2: heart's beating, and you just gotta get away. You just
Speaker 2: gotta get out of there, get away quickly before something happens,
Speaker 2: you know, and you know that they're around, you know,
Speaker 2: you don't even have to see them. It's a feeling
Speaker 2: you get. It's almost like, you know, when you have
Speaker 2: these experiences, I guess with and maybe you have some
Speaker 2: sort of link that links into them in some way.
Speaker 2: And then I remember opening up my eyes and I
Speaker 2: want to rush towards the door, but I realized and
Speaker 2: I can't. I'm actually paralyzed. I can't move. I can't
Speaker 2: move my body. I can you know again, I can
Speaker 2: move my eyes, but not my body. And I remember
Speaker 2: feeling someone behind me, you know, when I was laying
Speaker 2: on the couch, and then I felt I felt a
Speaker 2: hand go on my head and if it wasn't a
Speaker 2: human hand, you know, it had claws. It's long, had claws,
Speaker 2: and it's touching basically there really and you know, then
Speaker 2: it was even worse for me, you know, But then
Speaker 2: I was I was trying to shout out and I couldn't.
Speaker 2: I couldn't shout out. I could open my mouth a
Speaker 2: little bit, I couldn't shut there was no words coming out.
Speaker 2: It was actually in my head. I was screaming. I
Speaker 2: was shouting for help, trying to get somebody in the
Speaker 2: house to come to me, to help me. And then
Speaker 2: I remember my head then was pulled back and I
Speaker 2: could see them looking down at me. Was this grey
Speaker 2: you know, gray figures like his eyes, big black eyes,
Speaker 2: and you know, I was I was almost like that,
Speaker 2: you know, And I remember another being appeared, you know,
Speaker 2: just in front of me, but he seemed to be
Speaker 2: floating towards me. And he was older in the sand,
Speaker 2: like a blue type wound, and it was, you know,
Speaker 2: glowing blue and illuminated in the dark. But at this time,
Speaker 2: though that it was getting a little bit lighter because
Speaker 2: I could see the lights, you know, coming over for
Speaker 2: the curtains, the top of the curtains, and the room
Speaker 2: was getting a little bit more lighter. And you know,
Speaker 2: this this being was coming towards me, and I wanted
Speaker 2: to kick it. I wanted to punch it. I wanted
Speaker 2: to hurt it because I knew it's not going to
Speaker 2: be good for me, you know. And then I remember
Speaker 2: it coming towards me and it placed this whatever it was,
Speaker 2: this one like instrument into my mouth and I could
Speaker 2: feel it burning my mouth and I wasn't like that.
Speaker 2: And then my head screaming. My hole on. My body
Speaker 2: was feeling hot, and I wanted to get away, couldn't move,
Speaker 2: you know, I was struggling for so long, and I
Speaker 2: felt this axshaustion coming over me. We're almost like you're
Speaker 2: giving up. You got you know, what can you do?
Speaker 2: It's going to happen. What's going to happen is gonna happen.
Speaker 2: So it Di Gray was basically in my face, and
Speaker 2: no matter how much terror I felt, I knew he could,
Speaker 2: I knew it could understand that, you know, this wasn't
Speaker 2: right what it was doing, and it still continued to
Speaker 2: do it, regardless my feelings or what I was thinking.
Speaker 2: And it was burning in my mouth. I could feel it.
Speaker 2: The pain in my mouth was actually burning the inside.
Speaker 2: It was going around my mouth, and I could feel
Speaker 2: feel that pain, you know, and for a while, you know,
Speaker 2: it wasn't I guess, you know, it felt like a
Speaker 2: long time, but I guess it wasn't a long time.
Speaker 2: But at the moment that moments I was experiencing this,
Speaker 2: it felt like a long time. And after it stopped,
Speaker 2: and you know, this delight on the device went off.
Speaker 2: It sort of moved back a little bit, and then
Speaker 2: the one behind me, you know, released me, and I
Speaker 2: was still wasn't able to move, but as the one
Speaker 2: in front of me moved just to decide, it was
Speaker 2: then that I could see, which was quite of a shock. Really,
Speaker 2: there was a military person standing there. And when I
Speaker 2: see him, where as I described my book, he is
Speaker 2: he was basically dressed. He was in there. What would
Speaker 2: be I guess the United States Air force uniform, and
Speaker 2: he would have been an officer, and he's just standing there,
Speaker 2: you know, we were in front of him like that,
Speaker 2: and he's just watching. I don't know how long he
Speaker 2: was there. He was there, and I remember him walking
Speaker 2: towards the grace and then they vanished, all of them,
Speaker 2: and then I was then gradually able to move, and
Speaker 2: I remember slowly getting up, but I wanted to get
Speaker 2: out of the room or they'd get away quickly, because
Speaker 2: I didn't want him coming back and get me. And
Speaker 2: I remember feeling disorientated and as I stumbled down because
Speaker 2: I felt weak. And when eventually I got out of
Speaker 2: the room, I ran straight away to the downstairs toilet,
Speaker 2: a little small toilet downstairs where the front door is.
Speaker 2: I remember going in, switching on the lights and just
Speaker 2: looking to see what happened to my mouth. But when
Speaker 2: I looked in the mirror, there was nothing there. There
Speaker 2: was no nothing, nothing there. And then I remember, you know,
Speaker 2: going upstairs, and I remember falling down. I went into
Speaker 2: my bedroom, closed door behind me, and remember falling down
Speaker 2: on the floor on the carpeted floor. Was exhausted and
Speaker 2: I just fell into a deep sleep. And then when
Speaker 2: I did eventually wake up hours later. You know, I
Speaker 2: got up and I still remembered everything I remembered that,
Speaker 2: you know, in my book, I write it in exact detail.
Speaker 2: It's obviously more detail in the book. It describes, you know,
Speaker 2: lots more in the book than what I've described here
Speaker 2: and the feelings associated with here, and you know the
Speaker 2: outcome of that. But you know, I've always remembered it.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm at the age now and I can
Speaker 2: remember it like it was yesterday in every detail, from
Speaker 2: the moment I went out into the school grounds. What
Speaker 2: I see in the school grounds, you know, and all
Speaker 2: the feelings and all the sounds, and you know, everything
Speaker 2: is detailed in that moment. And you know, but I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know what they did. I mean,
Speaker 2: there's you know, there's a situation years later that might
Speaker 2: describe maybe they put something in because I did have
Speaker 2: a I did have something full out my mouth once.
Speaker 2: I can tell you about if you want love to
Speaker 2: hear it. I mean this, I mean this was in
Speaker 2: a This was like another a different age. It was
Speaker 2: in a different area then. And I remember being getting
Speaker 2: up one morning, going to the sink in the bathroom,
Speaker 2: and you know, the plug in the sink and never
Speaker 2: the wash. And I remember when I opened my mouth,
Speaker 2: something fell out of my mouth into the sink. You know,
Speaker 2: Luckily I had the plug. It was gone down the sinkhole.
Speaker 2: And I remember it was just like it was just
Speaker 2: like really really small, really small, like that perfect square,
Speaker 2: and it was almost like a bronze type color, and
Speaker 2: it was metal or some type of metal. And there
Speaker 2: was no blood that come out. They just fell out.
Speaker 2: It wasn't there in the nighttime, and you know, normally
Speaker 2: you'd feel something like that. And I remember then quickly
Speaker 2: going to get a magnifying glass, and I looked at
Speaker 2: the magnifying glass and it had little symbols on this
Speaker 2: metal and it had wires, little wires on it. Wow,
Speaker 2: very very very tiny wires. So I didn't know what
Speaker 2: it was. A little while later, not long after that,
Speaker 2: I found a telephone a number of local UFO researcher eupologist,
Speaker 2: and I contacted him, called him. He told me, you know,
Speaker 2: when you come over to my house and wherever, look
Speaker 2: and see what we can see. So I went over
Speaker 2: to his house and I remember I'm telling him a
Speaker 2: little bit of my background, you know, not everything, and
Speaker 2: he had to look under a more powerful magnifying glass
Speaker 2: and he says, yeah, you're absolutely white. It's got signals
Speaker 2: on it and it's got wires in it. And he
Speaker 2: just said to me, he fell out of your mouth,
Speaker 2: and I went, yeah, you know, what can I say?
Speaker 2: It just fell out my mouth. So it wasn't there
Speaker 2: the night before. There was no blood because he asked me,
Speaker 2: was there any blood? And I said no, there was
Speaker 2: no pain, just fell out. And then he said to me,
Speaker 2: if you leave it with me, I've got a friend
Speaker 2: in the m O D. And he said he'll take
Speaker 2: a look at it and see what we can find.
Speaker 2: So anyway, the weeks went past, I didn't hear nothing
Speaker 2: from him, and then when I did contact him, he
Speaker 2: just said to me, I'm so sorry. I've tried to
Speaker 2: contact the individual. I go this object too, he said,
Speaker 2: but the individual has now been moved and the object's
Speaker 2: gone with him. So I don't know what to make
Speaker 2: of that, but I do know this particular euthologist was
Speaker 2: being watched by military intelligence because you're being involved in
Speaker 2: some case I think to do with one of the
Speaker 2: black triangular craft and is after that, his house was
Speaker 2: broken into quite a lot. And the police did find
Speaker 2: some listing devices at the time in his house. And
Speaker 2: I just know he's been assled quite a lot by
Speaker 2: these and so you know, that's another. And you seem
Speaker 2: to get all these strange things happen to you, you know,
Speaker 2: when you have these abductions, there's lots of things that
Speaker 2: happened to you. I've had loads of stuff, really strange
Speaker 2: experiences happened to you, you know, just in the light
Speaker 2: of day, or you know, just unusual things, you know,
Speaker 2: And obviously you have to be you know, you know,
Speaker 2: I try to be grounded. First of all. I don't
Speaker 2: say it's this, It's that I tried to explain it
Speaker 2: away with some sort of rationality, you know, before you go.
Speaker 2: You know, so I'm very I'm very grounded in my
Speaker 2: approach to things. I'm not just you know, if you
Speaker 2: hear a sound, it's got to be this, what's got
Speaker 2: to be like to eliminate it? And then then you
Speaker 2: go to that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, now for the last few minutes we have, let's
Speaker 1: get to your current understanding of a possible big picture
Speaker 1: that could be unfolding with your experiences and many other
Speaker 1: experiences I've had plenty of guests that have very similar
Speaker 1: unfoldings as you starting with poltergeist experiences and the homes.
Speaker 1: Family members that may be involved with some sort of
Speaker 1: magical order or secret societies, military involvement, and great extra
Speaker 1: terrestrials at some point in their lives. So this is
Speaker 1: very interesting. There's a lot of similarities with other cases,
Speaker 1: also a lot of differences. But what is your understanding
Speaker 1: of what could be unfolding here? There are also other
Speaker 1: people with very different types of i'd say more benevolent experiences,
Speaker 1: more pleasant experiences, with different types of beings, but oftentimes
Speaker 1: these gray creatures are associated with military encounters. So what
Speaker 1: do you think is happening?
Speaker 2: Well, we know that people do have positive experiences, and
Speaker 2: that's a good thing. You know. The difference between mine
Speaker 2: and theirs is is that they were you know, a
Speaker 2: lot of the time they're asked. You know, we're just
Speaker 2: taken as children, right, we don't have no choice, But
Speaker 2: there is certainly I do you know, I do know
Speaker 2: there is a strong connection with the military intelligence agencies.
Speaker 2: You know, they are actively involved. You know, we have
Speaker 2: a big community now my labs, you know, super soldiers,
Speaker 2: the secret space program, you know, these are things that
Speaker 2: I'm involved with, They're just things I don't talk about much.
Speaker 2: So you know, I think, you know, we've got a
Speaker 2: lot going on now with disclosure. I personally don't think
Speaker 2: disclosure will come in or in the way in which
Speaker 2: a lot of people in the you know, uthologists or
Speaker 2: euthology and believe it will come. You know, I think
Speaker 2: a lot of the time, you know, we're disclosure. Really
Speaker 2: the people that are talking about it, the people that
Speaker 2: are in these experiences. Now we're the ones that are
Speaker 2: really the disclosure. I mean, do we really need the
Speaker 2: governments to tell us what we already know? You know,
Speaker 2: they may know more a little bit more than obviously
Speaker 2: a lot more than us, but because they've got all
Speaker 2: the facts in front of them and are involved. But again,
Speaker 2: you know, the conferences that we have the good we
Speaker 2: need to speak a lot more to other people that
Speaker 2: are not actually engaged in our communities like Joe blogs
Speaker 2: and or you know, the everyday person on the you know,
Speaker 2: in the communities that have nothing to do with this
Speaker 2: type of phenomenon, and we need to reach out to
Speaker 2: them to again their understanding of this type of phenomena
Speaker 2: because you know, we can go to conferences. A lot
Speaker 2: of the time we go to conferences, we're meeting and
Speaker 2: engaging with the same people all the time. You know,
Speaker 2: the people that come there that come to support, they've
Speaker 2: got the experiences. But what about the people outside of that,
Speaker 2: outside of those communities. We need to reach out further
Speaker 2: to those type of people, the people that are more
Speaker 2: likely to scoff or laugh or ridicule. We need to
Speaker 2: give them and present to them a better understanding of
Speaker 2: these type of phenomena, but not just talk about it,
Speaker 2: but back it up with what the current events that
Speaker 2: have happened, you know, in Washington, and you know, bring
Speaker 2: them on board because it's that majority of people that
Speaker 2: are going to be I think make a difference.
Speaker 1: You know, it's I say, there seems to be certain
Speaker 1: groups of people, certain individuals as well, that are singled
Speaker 1: out and targeted for some of these experiences. And it's
Speaker 1: theorized by many that it has to do with their
Speaker 1: direct bloodline. What do you think about that.
Speaker 2: The bloodlines do have a strong link to a lot
Speaker 2: of those that have these experiences. You know, alien abductees
Speaker 2: has said, super soldiers have or you know, icon futuristic
Speaker 2: soldiers but they do have strong links. I believe what
Speaker 2: they do, what they are doing is you know, with
Speaker 2: advanced technology and advanced sciences. You know, we people speculate
Speaker 2: that it doesn't exist. Of course it exists, it's just
Speaker 2: hidden away from us. You know, we're not stupid. We
Speaker 2: know exist. But you know, they there seems to be
Speaker 2: a connection with particular blood lines in families, like they've
Speaker 2: come from occult families. They're involved with witchcard with iron magic,
Speaker 2: you know, and that's with a C K magic and
Speaker 2: not the C. You know, they seem to have you know,
Speaker 2: members of the family that are involved in the military
Speaker 2: or the intelligence community, you know as particularly the Navy
Speaker 2: or the you know, the Department of Events in the US.
Speaker 2: And there seems to be you know, there seems to
Speaker 2: be something inside the DNA or in the blood that
Speaker 2: the military and the Grays are interested in. We know
Speaker 2: that the Grays, you know, are creating cloning programs, they're
Speaker 2: planning programs. The military of the programs as well. They're
Speaker 2: involved with cloning. You know, people think it's far fetched,
Speaker 2: but there's a lot of science now that suggests that's
Speaker 2: not the case. So there's a lot of things going on.
Speaker 2: I think also one of the things that they are
Speaker 2: what they do, especially within the super soldier communities or
Speaker 2: those that have these experiences as children and then adults
Speaker 2: in these projects, is that they are actually able now
Speaker 2: to look back into your past life, and they're taking
Speaker 2: parts of your past lives and uploading them into what
Speaker 2: would be quantum type computers and somehow taking your past
Speaker 2: lives almost like taking it from the Akashek records, taking
Speaker 2: those experiences. So, for instance, what you find is a
Speaker 2: lot of people in these these type of bloodlines, if
Speaker 2: you look back in trace back into their past lives,
Speaker 2: they often have similar past lives. You know, they were vikings,
Speaker 2: they were like druids, or they're served in coveents, they're
Speaker 2: like you know, witchcraft, you know, they're being knights, templars.
Speaker 2: These type of blood lines all out are all involved
Speaker 2: with high magic, with their cult with you know, everything
Speaker 2: that's hidden. You know. They may have been priests in Egypt,
Speaker 2: you know, or they have connections to Atlantis, Themeria, you know,
Speaker 2: and so on and so on. And I believe that
Speaker 2: the military in particular are interested in these type of
Speaker 2: blood lines for their military projects and programmers. You know you.
Speaker 2: Another thing you'll find is are you and find this
Speaker 2: is that a lot of people that are abductee, a
Speaker 2: lot of people that a soldiers period, A lot of
Speaker 2: them are on the spec family for any event check
Speaker 2: out now or they've got ADHD, So I believe prepared
Speaker 2: with these particular projects. You often find is that these
Speaker 2: particular individuals often community to ensure you know, they're the
Speaker 2: ones that work in the you know, in the community.
Speaker 1: You know that their products, the computer with the essential.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a link in some way as well.
Speaker 1: Emergency spect from tactical.
Speaker 2: Tools on the spectrum and you know, I'm suspected of
Speaker 2: autist perhaps, you know, but one of the what they
Speaker 2: called the lost generation back in time to recognize that
Speaker 2: everything as it is today. I think you'll find that
Speaker 2: many people who speaks, if you ask them today, they
Speaker 2: maybe either they believe more or officially diagnosed or help.
Speaker 2: So there's a link. I think with products in the
Speaker 2: military are very interesting and I think you will find
Speaker 2: that the children are being used by the military and
Speaker 2: they have been used in some of the most awable ways.
Speaker 2: And you know, I find it difficult sometimes to discuss
Speaker 2: that on the podcast because it's the particular undertakings that
Speaker 2: that children undergo on. These projects are very horrific, you know,
Speaker 2: and it's things that I've gone through, you know, at
Speaker 2: a very early age. You know, if I may say,
Speaker 2: you know, like satanic ritual abuse. You know, these are
Speaker 2: are designed to create a dissociation and to force your
Speaker 2: consciousness out of your body so that then can be
Speaker 2: an alter then can be programmed, right and the altars. Then,
Speaker 2: you know, when your mind is split into pieces, it's
Speaker 2: still part of you know, it's like umpty dumpty, you guess,
Speaker 2: you know, broken into many pieces. These pieces are then
Speaker 2: taken which are parts of your consciousness, so the part
Speaker 2: of your front altar, so it's broken into different pieces
Speaker 2: which is still part of your consciousness, but are now
Speaker 2: in a way separated. These are then programmed, and these
Speaker 2: are then programmed. Then they're actually placed into what we
Speaker 2: call avatar bodies. So it's a consciousness that is able
Speaker 2: to act and it's programmed to act on these projects.
Speaker 2: I mean it sounds in a way, it sounds quite
Speaker 2: you know, spaced out and stuff like that, but when
Speaker 2: you look into it and you look at other people
Speaker 2: that have these experiences, you find that, you know, there's
Speaker 2: a bigger picture that's forming, you know, and there is
Speaker 2: a science behind this, you know, And this is something
Speaker 2: as well that needs to be explored more and more
Speaker 2: and more.
Speaker 1: This is actually something that I'd love to have you
Speaker 1: back on for a second episode to get deeper into
Speaker 1: the Super Soldier military secret space aspects of this, because
Speaker 1: I used to cover this a lot a long time
Speaker 1: ago when there was a more limited understanding, and now
Speaker 1: we have so many more people that are coming out
Speaker 1: and sharing their experiences because more people are feeling comfortable
Speaker 1: enough to do so. And I definitely think that there
Speaker 1: is large scale operations that the public really needs to
Speaker 1: know about that have involved people against their will for
Speaker 1: a very long time. So lots of things are coming
Speaker 1: out during this time period. I think it's a very
Speaker 1: important time period for us all. And Michael, I want
Speaker 1: to thank you again for coming on and sharing this
Speaker 1: with us. We'll definitely do this again. We'll schedule something
Speaker 1: for next month. But before we close out today, let
Speaker 1: the audience know again how they can find your book
Speaker 1: and anything else you've got out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my book is available on Amazon. It's on the
Speaker 2: paperback had cover kindle and audio book. It's currently only
Speaker 2: at the moment sold on Amazon, and at the moment,
Speaker 2: I'm writing a second book. But the second book will
Speaker 2: be a follow on from the first. I mean, my
Speaker 2: first book is very much like a memoir really focusing
Speaker 2: on that part of my life and you know, my
Speaker 2: you know, my my understanding of my family and other
Speaker 2: experiences that will be you know, you can read in
Speaker 2: my book. But my second book will be focused primarily
Speaker 2: although it will have experiences again with these particular gray beings,
Speaker 2: it will be focused more around my lab and super
Speaker 2: Soldier and projects involved with this super Soldier community that
Speaker 2: I've you know, I'm still investigating them, researching it. Really,
Speaker 2: it's a it's a long it's a long, long road
Speaker 2: of trying to figure it all out, really, but you know,
Speaker 2: there's there's a lot of stuff I'm learning about myself
Speaker 2: and my past and things that have been hidden from me.
Speaker 1: Excellent, Michael, Thank you so much. Thank you again for
Speaker 1: sharing this with us. Like I said, thank you doing
Speaker 1: this again soon and until next time, everyone, have an
Speaker 1: excellent evening. We will talk again tomorrow and we'll see
Speaker 1: y'all then. Today, I want to welcome Lubamir Arzov. He
Speaker 1: is an artist and storyteller working as an animation writer
Speaker 1: and director. His personal work explores the psychological, parapolitical, and
Speaker 1: spiritual dynamics that define the momentous time we are collectively navigating. Lubamir, welcome,
Speaker 1: How you doing.
Speaker 3: Doing well, Chris? Thanks for having me. I'm excited to
Speaker 3: speak to you. See where the conversation leads.
Speaker 1: Yes, man, definitely. Like I told you before, I've been
Speaker 1: watching your films and I haven't felt that much emotion
Speaker 1: and inspiration from any film, TV show, or any form
Speaker 1: of audio visual media in a very long time. And
Speaker 1: this short film Kingdom, it made my day. And I'm
Speaker 1: in the process of going through as much of your
Speaker 1: work as possible. This, like I was saying before, is
Speaker 1: what the world needs more of all the time. I
Speaker 1: highly recommend everyone go check out Lubamir's YouTube channel in Shadow,
Speaker 1: I have a link right in the description, and we're
Speaker 1: going to get into some of your insights into everything,
Speaker 1: because once you see this video, it's going to immediately
Speaker 1: connect with a lot of I believe, our collective understanding
Speaker 1: of a lot of things that's happening right now. But
Speaker 1: before we get into any of that. Let's start with
Speaker 1: a little bit more about yourself and what triggered your
Speaker 1: awakening process.
Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, that's really good to hear that reaction
Speaker 3: to Kingdom. Yeah, a little bit about myself. I clearly
Speaker 3: you know, I'm an artist. I'm a storyteller. I've worked
Speaker 3: in animation for over fifteen years now for various bigger
Speaker 3: companies and projects, arranging and from TV, two different movies.
Speaker 3: But the you know, the work that really matters to me,
Speaker 3: the work that is really helpful I think at this
Speaker 3: moment in time time is my personal work, and specifically
Speaker 3: two personal films that I've made and a third one
Speaker 3: that I was hired to do, but it's still very
Speaker 3: dear to me, those films being In Shadow, which I
Speaker 3: released in twenty seventeen, which mapped out kind of a
Speaker 3: somewhat of a pair of political conspiratorial lens through which
Speaker 3: we saw the collective shadow and the interplay between our
Speaker 3: complicity and this somewhat oppressive yet not always evidently oppressive
Speaker 3: system and world situation that we find ourselves in, and
Speaker 3: of course, the underlying, the pervasive, the inevitable spiritual reality
Speaker 3: that encompasses it all. And this hero's journey that we
Speaker 3: are in collectively. Forrest King I directed recently as well.
Speaker 3: It's part of a series it's on Amazon Prime right now,
Speaker 3: part of the Red Iron Road, in which I explored
Speaker 3: a lot of the NPC culture, disavowal of free will,
Speaker 3: a lot of the impending smart city, technocratic, dystopian social
Speaker 3: credits core stuff, and of course the emerging concerns of
Speaker 3: consciousness AI the synthetic digital world which seems to want
Speaker 3: to eat up consciousness and that's a big topy we
Speaker 3: you know, we could get into and the organic, actual
Speaker 3: stream of of real consciousness coming from from source and
Speaker 3: our duty to clarify that, expand it, and really be
Speaker 3: the authors of that. And then finally it's Kingdom, which
Speaker 3: you just mentioned, and Kingdom was released two weeks ago,
Speaker 3: and with that piece, it's a very visceral piece. My
Speaker 3: intention was, you know, we're in a very interesting point
Speaker 3: in time and we need a lot of inspiration, empowerment
Speaker 3: and the tools to do that because as most of
Speaker 3: us know, no one's coming to save us. And it's
Speaker 3: really a game of having the daring and claiming what
Speaker 3: we want to envision it, to have the courage to envision,
Speaker 3: to have the courage to act toward it and really
Speaker 3: bootstrap and be inspired powerful human beings.
Speaker 1: Oh yes, Now, for me, my awakening included very profound
Speaker 1: spiritual experiences, meditation, plant medicine, and having experiences that connected
Speaker 1: dots and looking back at everything that's happened over the
Speaker 1: last few years, I have a much different understanding of
Speaker 1: how not only I fit into everything, but the bigger
Speaker 1: picture of what's really happening. And came to a conclusion
Speaker 1: where I'm at right now is that the events of
Speaker 1: twenty twenty and really it started before that. But this
Speaker 1: energy that's started to come through and affect every single
Speaker 1: person on this earth. If it wouldn't have happened the
Speaker 1: way it did, we may not be at this stage
Speaker 1: that we are right now. I think that there's a
Speaker 1: series of events that, whether you want to call it,
Speaker 1: some cosmic force has started to shine on us and
Speaker 1: people are starting to have this collective awareness. But for me,
Speaker 1: it was a series of profound events and like I said,
Speaker 1: plant medicines and meditation. What was it for you that
Speaker 1: made you come to your awareness level that you're at now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, similar to you, plant medicines, were definitely part of
Speaker 3: the journey. One of the main things is it's somewhat mundane,
Speaker 3: yet it's inevitable for any human being that starts looking
Speaker 3: around the world and asking like, is this it? And
Speaker 3: by that I mean the menu that we've picked from
Speaker 3: and are acting according to and doing, you know, all
Speaker 3: the things that we're supposed to do in a society,
Speaker 3: a modern society. At one point it inevitably will not
Speaker 3: be satisfying to the soul, to the fulfillment of that
Speaker 3: human and our path if we're just part of the
Speaker 3: mold of the presented options, right, and at one point
Speaker 3: we can either ask is this it? And is there more?
Speaker 3: And start inquiring more deeply, or we wither away and
Speaker 3: go into a sense of entropy and completely try to
Speaker 3: deny the misery that builds up in the soul. Because
Speaker 3: it seems I'm inferring here by seeing what happens in
Speaker 3: me and in all of our people, is that if
Speaker 3: we deny that impulse for growth, for truth, for reality,
Speaker 3: we get more sick, more deranged, and we go to
Speaker 3: more and more absurdities. And we're seeing this right now
Speaker 3: in the world right People who don't want to see
Speaker 3: what is real, what is natural? What is of the earth,
Speaker 3: of the hierarchies of existence. As they descend into the
Speaker 3: material plane, they're going mad wild and denying the reality
Speaker 3: of this divine beauty and so turning very destructive doword creation.
Speaker 3: And so my awakening part of it was questioning these things.
Speaker 3: It was just being part of my journey. But you know,
Speaker 3: other triggers have been like many of us, as Cliche goes,
Speaker 3: ninety eleven, was it not when it happened, but many
Speaker 3: years later, when I was ready in my mid twenties,
Speaker 3: I had some deep insights that shook me. And I
Speaker 3: do feel that nine eleven it was many things. One
Speaker 3: of them was an event for awakening, an event in
Speaker 3: which the polar opposites of those two pillars fell down
Speaker 3: and we almost entered the gate of initiation, for you know,
Speaker 3: in a by startling us into oh shit, this is
Speaker 3: such a largely seemingly orchestrated event. It is so ballsy
Speaker 3: that it makes me feel like they are greater players
Speaker 3: and forces within this realm. And once we start entertaining
Speaker 3: that the implications are huge, right initially, they're scary, they're shocking.
Speaker 3: It's difficult to unders. But once they start being integrated,
Speaker 3: we start gaining more power because we see what the
Speaker 3: players are.
Speaker 1: Now I want to get deep into what these forces
Speaker 1: are that you were just mentioning. What are these intelligences
Speaker 1: that are pulling the strings and how does this all
Speaker 1: farm our human experience here? First, I do want to
Speaker 1: get into some of what we're seeing with technology and
Speaker 1: the way that it has steered our consciousness and caused
Speaker 1: us to divert from certain natural paths and the past
Speaker 1: few decades and where it's really going. And you mentioned
Speaker 1: AI and it used to be a really terrifying subject
Speaker 1: for me before I came into the awareness that there's
Speaker 1: really nothing to worry about as long as we're on
Speaker 1: our true path and doing what we have to do.
Speaker 1: But it can be terrifying to examine and really look
Speaker 1: at some of the implications of what's happening with What
Speaker 1: do you see there?
Speaker 3: Oh man, there's so much to see. And yeah, of course,
Speaker 3: the dire aspect of it annihilating us, which is one
Speaker 3: obvious aspect, is definitely there. What I find interesting because
Speaker 3: I'm constantly tracking consciousness and the amount of freedom and
Speaker 3: agency and sovereignty the consciousness has because that's where the
Speaker 3: game gets interesting, and that's when we are really at
Speaker 3: the edge of our abilities, right when we are making
Speaker 3: conscious choices, which is no small task because we are
Speaker 3: run according to a lot of our psychological patterns on
Speaker 3: clear trauma, a lot of assumptions, a lot of cultural programming.
Speaker 3: So in order for us to be able to get
Speaker 3: to clarity is a big deal. And so I'm tracking
Speaker 3: AI and how it potentially is tampering with that and
Speaker 3: will tamper ever more so, especially when utilized. Now AI
Speaker 3: can be utilized intelligently by luminous beings, by intelligent, sovereign
Speaker 3: humans for our betterment, and that will happen inevitably as well.
Speaker 3: It's just that the overall state of consciousness, the state
Speaker 3: of quality human beings right now on our planet is
Speaker 3: not that great based on what I am able to
Speaker 3: see and discern, and so these people are guiding the
Speaker 3: evolution of AI, which is not great. So AI is
Speaker 3: inevitably going to be used to incentivize people into these
Speaker 3: closed loops of functioning, especially when it's tethered to digital currencies,
Speaker 3: digital ideas, and centralized authorized technocratic rulership in which people
Speaker 3: will disavow their ability to make conscious choices, creative choices
Speaker 3: to see the world based on the way that it
Speaker 3: is in this moment, by incentivizing behaviors, thoughts, and emotions
Speaker 3: which are rewarded, probably through blockchain technology, and it has
Speaker 3: the potential of creating a living hell on earth and
Speaker 3: really collapsing and limiting our consciousness into small pockets of
Speaker 3: controlled behavior. Now that is that's a very undignified, empathetic
Speaker 3: way for any of us to live. And it's it's
Speaker 3: interesting because AI and it's way of organizing and systematizing
Speaker 3: all these ways, if it's used in a negative way,
Speaker 3: really taps into the mechanical way that human beings function already.
Speaker 3: You know, we myself, you can probably attest to this
Speaker 3: the audience, if we're honest, much of our day is
Speaker 3: spent on rehashing the same old thoughts, same old behaviors,
Speaker 3: same emotions, and we sort of like go with them.
Speaker 3: You know. If we're not fully always doing the inner work,
Speaker 3: and none of us are truly fully always doing it,
Speaker 3: we continue to recreate similar as and et cetera. So
Speaker 3: a lot of our consciousness, because it's not refined and
Speaker 3: being super pristine, tapped into the now will easily tap
Speaker 3: into what AI offers, because reality is it's frustrating, it's confusing,
Speaker 3: it's often scary, and it's it's beginning to look more
Speaker 3: and more scary based on all the things that are happening,
Speaker 3: both orchestrated, and I think just as a natural part
Speaker 3: of this evolution, and so hiding in this AI very
Speaker 3: well organized definition of what reality is, of the you know,
Speaker 3: the actions that you need to take, the thoughts that
Speaker 3: you need to think. I think for a lot of
Speaker 3: people that will actually be a comfort because a lot
Speaker 3: of people do want to be told what to think,
Speaker 3: wow to feel, just as long as they're comfortable and
Speaker 3: do not seek truth. So I'll stop it there because
Speaker 3: I can forever.
Speaker 1: I have the intuitive just understanding that what we're experiencing
Speaker 1: probably happened many times before, that everything is cyclical, that
Speaker 1: we're re experiencing everything, everything is about remembering, remembering who
Speaker 1: we are, why we're here, and that it's all a
Speaker 1: process of basically remembering our soul mission, why where we
Speaker 1: really come from, and why we are here at this moment.
Speaker 1: It seems like what's happening now is it's a combination
Speaker 1: of this remembering, and it's a desire, like you said,
Speaker 1: to be outside of this box that we built for
Speaker 1: ourselves through religion, through education, through these control systems. Now,
Speaker 1: my question to you is, how did we get to
Speaker 1: the point where we are completely governed by these intelligences,
Speaker 1: these dark forces. Is there a point in the human
Speaker 1: experience in every lifetime and every cycle where we it's
Speaker 1: part of our journey that we have to encounter ultimate darkness,
Speaker 1: have it almost infiltrate every aspect of our lives before
Speaker 1: we can even realize that we are under this spell.
Speaker 1: And it seems like this just keeps happening, and it
Speaker 1: may happen until maybe somehow break some sort of cycle.
Speaker 1: I don't know. How do you feel about how everything
Speaker 1: is unfolding in that way?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with you that there is this
Speaker 3: perpetual dance of dark and light, at least the way
Speaker 3: that we understand this realm right now, because you know,
Speaker 3: I can only attest to this lifetime. It's all I remember,
Speaker 3: And we know history is so contentious right now, so
Speaker 3: all I can do is infer from my experiences here,
Speaker 3: and I am seeing that that the tension created by
Speaker 3: oppositional forces, by polarity, which is what our realm is
Speaker 3: based on, is polarities and extreme polarities and then the
Speaker 3: gradient of a phenomena and experience between them. And as
Speaker 3: we map out those polarities, we're really mapping out all
Speaker 3: the various experiences and all the skills and abilities necessary
Speaker 3: to go from one to the other. By experiencing something
Speaker 3: like joy and sorrow just gives and builds on that
Speaker 3: library of awareness of knowing of what it is to
Speaker 3: be consciousness, experiencing the various flavors, notes and colors of
Speaker 3: being right. So that's kind of taking a zoomed out,
Speaker 3: more charitable approach. Now, when we're in it, it's gnarly,
Speaker 3: it's gritty. We know what it is. It can paralyze
Speaker 3: us for a lifetime. You know, some of us can
Speaker 3: live in fear, regret, and sorrow for a lifetime, so
Speaker 3: deeply identified with it, not being able to let go
Speaker 3: or seeing a way to empower ourselves out of it,
Speaker 3: to choose something else. So there are many traps in it,
Speaker 3: but I do see that My base, my approach and
Speaker 3: my view is that that of conscious evolution. That the game,
Speaker 3: the main game in town, is the evolution of consciousness.
Speaker 3: So that means the evolution of one's awareness being and
Speaker 3: one's one's ability to merge with everything, to discern between everything,
Speaker 3: to be able to tell all these notes, and then
Speaker 3: to start creating within it all right, tapping into the
Speaker 3: creative source within, to God, to source, being informed by that,
Speaker 3: but also being allowed not only to be used as
Speaker 3: a as a conscious tool, but also making those choices
Speaker 3: to serve reality and really and to do so. We
Speaker 3: will encounter resistance at any time, and that resistance, it
Speaker 3: is part of this. Especially in the physical realm. Resistance
Speaker 3: is super important.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: Resistance is basically like a container, because consciousness or any
Speaker 3: form of energy uncontained with no laws of functioning, is
Speaker 3: just a meebis and not formed. But for whatever reason, however,
Speaker 3: this realm was formed. It has all these various laws
Speaker 3: and we're inferring them based on the feedback it gives
Speaker 3: us from our actions, and so it is fascinating. So
Speaker 3: something like what happens if right, let's say, COVID is
Speaker 3: a great example with such a great case study the
Speaker 3: COVID moment. It's like, what happens if there's an exertion
Speaker 3: of power using fear and then limiting your movement and
Speaker 3: basically forcing you to do certain things to your body
Speaker 3: that you may not want to. Well, if one says, okay,
Speaker 3: let me take a step back because I don't know better.
Speaker 3: This is confusing, and someone outside of me knows better,
Speaker 3: they retreat, well, the next action that occurs in reality
Speaker 3: is more of the same and even worse. And then basically,
Speaker 3: you know, like an invasion of your body and an
Speaker 3: invasion of your willpower, taking away of resources. And so
Speaker 3: what we infer from that action is like, oh, okay,
Speaker 3: so when I give away my power, I get more
Speaker 3: and more stepped on. Now how do I claim my
Speaker 3: power here? This is it actually being forced on me
Speaker 3: with a gun in on my head? Or am I
Speaker 3: willingly retreating and then saying someone is doing it to me?
Speaker 3: So all these dynamics start becoming more and more clear,
Speaker 3: and at this level of heightened just heighten activity right now,
Speaker 3: between the dark and light, we're seeing a lot of
Speaker 3: these laws, like very very vividly, And here's where we
Speaker 3: can start choosing to empower ourselves through action, new deed,
Speaker 3: new emotions, new thoughts.
Speaker 1: It seems like there are different polarities that really act
Speaker 1: as the intelligences, the light and dark, the angels and
Speaker 1: the demons, that these polarities are there for us to
Speaker 1: learn from and bounce off of each other and have
Speaker 1: that dark experience and learn from it. Never do that again.
Speaker 1: Then you bounce back to the light, and you have
Speaker 1: this ongoing journey bouncing off of those polarities. But what
Speaker 1: we consider demonic forces arcons are just these negative polarities
Speaker 1: that people get stuck in, they get attracted to, and
Speaker 1: they find it difficult to come out of that dark experience.
Speaker 1: But it's all here for us to experience and learn from.
Speaker 3: Would you agree, Yeah, absolutely agree with that totally. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's I know, it can get very confusing and frustrating.
Speaker 3: And some of these temptations that we get from these
Speaker 3: darker forces are Yeah, they really act on our They
Speaker 3: act on our the parts of us that we have
Speaker 3: not clarified and not purified, right, and so something they
Speaker 3: tug on parts of our unconscious that we then react
Speaker 3: to and perhaps once so purpose can be to explore
Speaker 3: that for a lifetime. And this is me supposing you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know this for sure, but as I feel
Speaker 3: into it, I feel some of us just need to
Speaker 3: experience that. Yea, yeah, some of that darkness and be
Speaker 3: lost in it for a bit and learn how to
Speaker 3: get out of it. So it's not fully just a
Speaker 3: terrible thing. Yeah, it can curse you in a way,
Speaker 3: but it's that climbing out of it. And we all
Speaker 3: know to various degrees how we can drown in something
Speaker 3: like an addiction or a bad pathway. We know some
Speaker 3: of the kind of like the juiciness that it feeds
Speaker 3: us something there's a negative pleasure in it, but we
Speaker 3: also know that it's taking away our goodness, is taking
Speaker 3: away our autonomy, taking away something that's good, and yet
Speaker 3: it gives something back, and there's a tradeoff. There always
Speaker 3: is a trade off. But then at one point we
Speaker 3: have to make amends with it and climb back out,
Speaker 3: and that's where the soul gets forged. It becomes stronger
Speaker 3: and more purified, and those attachments can no longer, you know,
Speaker 3: tantalize or tempt that part of our soul otherwise can.
Speaker 3: But then the game changes.
Speaker 1: Now. I don't want to give too much away about
Speaker 1: your film, but one of my favorite parts is how
Speaker 1: you portrayed that even what we consider to be the
Speaker 1: lizard people arconic human forces that control us, the media,
Speaker 1: the politicians, the global leaders that we see as demonic forces,
Speaker 1: can even find that light that they even the darkest
Speaker 1: of a human soul, can come to awareness and find
Speaker 1: truth and beauty and light and turn themselves around, even
Speaker 1: the darkest, most lost of souls. And that was that
Speaker 1: was one of my favorite favorite parts I saw that.
Speaker 3: Chris apologies. It seems like I didn't know that this
Speaker 3: was my dog, but it was parking. Yeah, I thought
Speaker 3: it was your dog. I'm gonna have to do some
Speaker 3: no problem, man, that was I'm sorry that was getting juicy. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm actually at my girlfriend. I'm at my girlfriend's house
Speaker 3: and I was like, is that because the mic?
Speaker 1: I'm like, is that way it always happens? Man, you
Speaker 1: get into the juicies, there's interference, there's always.
Speaker 3: Always, right, I think. So, I'm telling you because he
Speaker 3: doesn't usually do this.
Speaker 1: It's just the way things work. I've come to see.
Speaker 1: It's crazy. But yeah, we could just pick up from there.
Speaker 1: I was asking you about your video. I was talking
Speaker 1: about how even the worst, the most black hearted of
Speaker 1: people can find the light and come around.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is the hope, right, and I spoke
Speaker 3: to someone recently and he asked me if I think
Speaker 3: that is everyone redeemable, And you know, it's a very
Speaker 3: rosy colored kind of view, and one would hope that
Speaker 3: that is the case. I mean, at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, this is this is very long term, and
Speaker 3: maybe it's not a practical thing to share, but it's
Speaker 3: I think it's a reality. At the end of the day,
Speaker 3: we all merge back into the one being, so everything
Speaker 3: will be recycled one way or another into that being.
Speaker 3: But as human beings, I'd like to hold the vision
Speaker 3: as an artist. That's why I'm presenting it in Kingdom.
Speaker 3: I presented the vision of the possibility of that redemption
Speaker 3: because by doing so, even if it's not true, even
Speaker 3: if some people are too far gone, which I do
Speaker 3: think is the case, by holding that vision and that ability,
Speaker 3: we soften something in the field, we soften something in
Speaker 3: ourselves toward others. And because most of what I see
Speaker 3: as a phenomenon in the real world is just downstream
Speaker 3: from the invisible, from the spiritual hierarchies, from the spiritual realms,
Speaker 3: what does that imply in this situation. What it means
Speaker 3: is that the feelings and projections and thought forms we
Speaker 3: hold of any one event or of another person does
Speaker 3: function and maintaining that person or that event close to
Speaker 3: what we are putting into it. Not that it's not
Speaker 3: that we're creating the event or the human but our
Speaker 3: interactions are always informed and our experiences informed by our
Speaker 3: unconscious assumptions and the way we approach something. And we
Speaker 3: can all, you know, to use a simple example, we've
Speaker 3: all been, I'm sure, in a situation where we've had
Speaker 3: a quarrel with someone, a neighbor or family friend, a
Speaker 3: love partner, and if we had the lucidity or some
Speaker 3: sort of shift the psychedelic experience and seeing something and
Speaker 3: you know, softening, letting some of the tension and relaxing
Speaker 3: and giving the benefit of doubt, we see the other
Speaker 3: soften too. Now that's, yes, a psychological reaction, but there's
Speaker 3: an underlying energetic reaction. Sometimes you don't even have to
Speaker 3: speak to the person, you get a phone call, you
Speaker 3: get a change from them. So what that implies is
Speaker 3: that the way that we project toward the world, where
Speaker 3: if we are in a doomer heads you know, headspace,
Speaker 3: which we can all fall into. The more research with
Speaker 3: two the more we look in the world, it's not
Speaker 3: difficult to fall into a doom or headspace. But if
Speaker 3: we do that, we are effectively functioning as living nodes,
Speaker 3: as offline servers for the dark forces by constantly reprojecting
Speaker 3: their plans, their ideas, and this apocalyptic scenario of the
Speaker 3: world that everything is terrible, that there's no hope, that
Speaker 3: we're powerless, and we're actually enacting the exact thing that
Speaker 3: we fail. We're rebelling against. So when we say are
Speaker 3: these people redeemable, we can be very vigilant, very wise,
Speaker 3: and be very powerful in ourselves and at the same
Speaker 3: time we can give some compassion and allowance for those people.
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that we bend over backwards. It's just
Speaker 3: like it is possible for some people to go so
Speaker 3: far down and that there can be forgiveness. Of course,
Speaker 3: there can also be rightful punishment. That's part of the
Speaker 3: cosmic cosmic laws. But you know, if we look at
Speaker 3: something like blackmailing and just the blackmail economy that is
Speaker 3: getting more and more exposed, a lot of us have
Speaker 3: known about it, it's just hard to believe for many people,
Speaker 3: right and now it's becoming more and more exposed with
Speaker 3: actual factual data. You know, we just even like the
Speaker 3: obvious cases being diddy and you know, Epstein et cetera.
Speaker 3: Those are the more mainstream things. But we know a
Speaker 3: lot more, and we know so some of us know.
Speaker 3: You know, people who are made mistakes or were given
Speaker 3: the wrong kind of drugs and you know, put in
Speaker 3: a very terrible situation which was recorded where they were
Speaker 3: possibly unconscious, and that then was used to bring them
Speaker 3: deeper and deeper into darker and worse aspects of complicity,
Speaker 3: whether they voted for terrible bills or wars or worse things.
Speaker 3: You know, those people out I have some sympathy for.
Speaker 3: And because there are many strange cases that have happened,
Speaker 3: then this is a big game and many are ensnared.
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Speaker 1: So it's so difficult when you first start to awaken
Speaker 1: to realize that you have been complicent, that you've contributed
Speaker 1: to the overall state that we're in, and you always have.
Speaker 1: You've always bought their products, you've always consumed their food,
Speaker 1: You've participated in ridiculous agendas, you consume their media, and
Speaker 1: you perpetuate everything that is caused in the darkness. That's
Speaker 1: surrounding you. And that's the hardest part for people is
Speaker 1: to say, wait, I'm a huge cause of this. I
Speaker 1: need to check out in order to start rebuilding my
Speaker 1: own systems.
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, totally yeah, And it's I think it's so important,
Speaker 3: just like we can see in a relationship, our relationship
Speaker 3: to the world at large, is taking responsibility for it.
Speaker 3: And you know, people can say, well, I didn't start
Speaker 3: these wars, I'm not manipulating people, I'm not spying on people,
Speaker 3: I'm not destroying the economy, right, but all of us
Speaker 3: are participating in enabling it through. If it wasn't if
Speaker 3: it didn't pass through us through our choices, not saying
Speaker 3: it's easy to move away from these choices, it wouldn't
Speaker 3: not be happening. And if we don't take responsibility and
Speaker 3: we just dissolve that and blame the outside world, then
Speaker 3: literally change cannot have.
Speaker 1: Something see for me, just when I become aware of
Speaker 1: a problem or something that doesn't serve me, it's going
Speaker 1: to kill me and destroy me inside. Until I fix
Speaker 1: that problem or adjust to something or make the situation right,
Speaker 1: I'm not going to be able to just keep going
Speaker 1: having the awareness that something's wrong. And I think that's
Speaker 1: what's happening collectively. We're all aware now that there's a problem,
Speaker 1: and it's getting harder and harder to just sit back
Speaker 1: and let that problem keep growing and unfolding now that
Speaker 1: we know about it.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yeah, totally. And then we come had to
Speaker 3: have with the very difficult aspect that many of us
Speaker 3: contend with, which is I have to do something about
Speaker 3: it now. And that doesn't mean going to fight it,
Speaker 3: but some means I need to change something in my life.
Speaker 3: I need to maybe learn to farm, make a homestead,
Speaker 3: or learn to be kinder to the people around me,
Speaker 3: or be more loving, or make amends with my family
Speaker 3: so that we're closer when we have a community, and
Speaker 3: those things they're not easy right because of everything inside us.
Speaker 3: And I think that's where we are right now, because
Speaker 3: we would like for someone to fix it for us,
Speaker 3: someone to come and rescue the situation. We would like
Speaker 3: to blame and just say, you know, I'm not going
Speaker 3: to do anything because they should fix it. They started it.
Speaker 3: But reality again is reflecting to us more and more
Speaker 3: and more apparent and clear ways that it's like unless
Speaker 3: you do something, it will not change. And so in
Speaker 3: Kingdom and this new short film. That's one of the
Speaker 3: things that I wanted to bring forth symbolically through this man,
Speaker 3: you know, taking down, taking off his blindfold, his muzzle
Speaker 3: so he can express and see clearly and then clear
Speaker 3: himself internally face his own darkness, and through that have
Speaker 3: then the courage and the clarity to get up from
Speaker 3: his knees, and not only that, but then to walk
Speaker 3: toward his empowerment to take the sword, and all those
Speaker 3: things are basically emblematic to It could be something as
Speaker 3: simple as today, I'm going to go to the gym.
Speaker 3: I'm very attracted to that woman. I'm going to ask
Speaker 3: her out because I want a good woman in my life.
Speaker 3: Let's say those are actions that take courage, and it's
Speaker 3: little actions compounded like that that lead to a real
Speaker 3: life of purpose. And unless we're doing it all starts
Speaker 3: really with these small actions. Truly, it is daily small actions.
Speaker 3: It's not big feats. It's only when we are capable
Speaker 3: and competent in taking these small actions appropriately competently that
Speaker 3: we're given bigger challenges that we can overcome. Right, So, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's all about the reality of Okay, we have to
Speaker 3: upgrade harmonize at a higher level. That's what evolution is
Speaker 3: asking us, or the dark force will take over us.
Speaker 3: And you know earlier you mentioned this dance. I wanted
Speaker 3: to say that it is a it feels to me
Speaker 3: like a dance of overtaking. The darkness will seem to
Speaker 3: want to overtake, and then that leads into the other
Speaker 3: lighter aspect finding new ways to then harmonize on a
Speaker 3: higher level. So it's not being able to be overtaken
Speaker 3: and then again and again. Presumably I don't know if
Speaker 3: that goes on forever, but we are in the dance
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: There's a couple of things that this can get into.
Speaker 1: One is the concept of NPCs, and this really can
Speaker 1: be a dangerous topic depending on your perspective of what
Speaker 1: an NPC is. But our whole reality, we're looking at
Speaker 1: it from a very technological lens because that's the era
Speaker 1: we're in. We're comparing our reality to a simulation, to
Speaker 1: a video game, because that is what we're surrounded with
Speaker 1: and that's our culture right now. But to completely dismiss
Speaker 1: that someone is a human being with a soul connected
Speaker 1: to sore that that's all they've ever been and they're
Speaker 1: just part of the system. I believe is something is
Speaker 1: a way of thinking that we shouldn't because anyone, I believe,
Speaker 1: can come online and get that spark back. Yeah you might.
Speaker 1: Any I could become. I was part of the system
Speaker 1: for a very long time. I was sleeping, I was participating.
Speaker 1: I was a scumbag for a while, and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, my heart opens up and boom, I'm
Speaker 1: not part of the program anymore. And I just like
Speaker 1: we're saying with the bad guys, is could happen to
Speaker 1: each and every one of us, even the person you
Speaker 1: think who is an NBC.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well said that's and congratulations on your journey
Speaker 3: of popping out of the illusion. Yeah that's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I agree, right, because it's tempting in our frustration and
Speaker 3: anger and seeing the I would even say, some of
Speaker 3: the atrocities that are happening more and more in our
Speaker 3: in our world to be looking at people and accusing
Speaker 3: them of being soulless and NPCs, And it's interesting. So I,
Speaker 3: like you, I would like to grant everyone the dignity
Speaker 3: of being able to awaken the soul, and that by
Speaker 3: holding the vision, we allow that for them. Now, we
Speaker 3: can be condemning of human actions, and of course we
Speaker 3: have to be, because there are terrible actions that human
Speaker 3: stake that are repugnant and are stifling of freedom and liberty, etc.
Speaker 3: But we can then also respect the soul spark of
Speaker 3: that human having the experience to choose to act in
Speaker 3: a very shitty and terrible way in a way tarnish
Speaker 3: their own soul because they will have to climb out
Speaker 3: of it one way or another. So that's actually sinking
Speaker 3: into a greater hole. And I think a lot of
Speaker 3: more elevated humans do see the tragedy of beings going
Speaker 3: into darkness because they know the plot that they will
Speaker 3: have to go to exit. At the same time, we
Speaker 3: do have a lot of NPC thinking and behaving in
Speaker 3: our world. So you know, I would admit there's an
Speaker 3: NPC aspect to me because I have not cleared you know,
Speaker 3: I have not cleared all of the unconscious impulses in me.
Speaker 3: And ultimately we're biological animals which get insold in the
Speaker 3: soul substance. If we work on it, it takes us
Speaker 3: higher to connect to spirit.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: The soul is the intermediary, so but our material biological
Speaker 3: life form has all these instincts. There are animalistic aspects
Speaker 3: that also put us in fight or flight alarm us
Speaker 3: so that we can survive and have our vessel be intact,
Speaker 3: so that the soul can continue inhabiting this place. And
Speaker 3: so all these patterns do create NPCs of us to
Speaker 3: some degree because we are slaves to certain impulses that
Speaker 3: we're used to, and if we don't consider them to
Speaker 3: rewire ourselves, we keep going down these same loops of
Speaker 3: behavior because they feel safe, they feel familiar. That's the
Speaker 3: spiritual journey of the hero the heroic lifestyle is we
Speaker 3: challenge those patterns that are comfortable. We step out of
Speaker 3: that discomfort and we move into a more expended way
Speaker 3: of being. And a lot of most times that is
Speaker 3: a difficult proposition because we step out of the comfort
Speaker 3: of belonging sometimes unfortunately family, friends, and society, and that's
Speaker 3: no easy task, or the comfort of feeling safe in
Speaker 3: a pattern of working a certain safe job that provides
Speaker 3: of having saved friends that are not fulfilling, etc. And
Speaker 3: it takes an act of courage and faith to not
Speaker 3: be an NPC and go through the same movements and
Speaker 3: actually choose differently but with each different choice, like we
Speaker 3: were saying, a greater life emerges.
Speaker 1: There's something very interesting happening with the quote unquote truth
Speaker 1: or conspiracy spiritual community right now. As it pertains to
Speaker 1: feeling safe about things, there's a portion of this community
Speaker 1: that is still stuck in a conspiratorial box and they
Speaker 1: crave the doom and gloom and the belief that the
Speaker 1: apocalypse is right around the corner, and they are perpetuating
Speaker 1: this doom and gloom information. They're sharing just the wackiest
Speaker 1: conspiracy videos. I used to love conspiracy the I started
Speaker 1: this show because I was into conspiracies. Now I can't
Speaker 1: stand the culture. It's gone crazy and it makes no
Speaker 1: sense half the time the stuff that they're trying to present.
Speaker 1: So it's very interesting that because these people, certain people
Speaker 1: in this community want to feel safe, they are reaching
Speaker 1: for the most dangerous and unsafe material to latch on.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 3: It is. It's really wild, and I think we're going
Speaker 3: to see more and more of this fracturing of reality,
Speaker 3: specifically with AI deep fakes and all the AI generative. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because all these reality tunnels are popping up, and you know,
Speaker 3: I would say that facing reality. We need to constantly
Speaker 3: be readjusting and going into uncomfortable places. So that's basically
Speaker 3: being comfortable with being uncomfortable is the key. But as
Speaker 3: soon as we latch onto, you know, with conspiratorial culture,
Speaker 3: and you probably can attest to this, I've gone through
Speaker 3: this feeling the specialness of having some exclusive information on
Speaker 3: the world, you know, and being like they don't know,
Speaker 3: but I might, my guys know. And as soon as
Speaker 3: more people start learning, you don't feel as special and
Speaker 3: you might move on to something more outrageous, perhaps maybe real,
Speaker 3: mark maybe not. And so that's basically a sign that
Speaker 3: we are not really doing the full inner work, that
Speaker 3: we are latching onto stories that give us some sort
Speaker 3: of reward. Again, the story itself could be real or not,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. It's our relationship to it. And that's
Speaker 3: where we can become more fanatical. We can start excluding
Speaker 3: others so that we can aggrandize and elevate ourselves. And
Speaker 3: if we're playing that game, then we're playing the game
Speaker 3: of darkness, ignorance and unconsciousness. Doesn't matter how many facts
Speaker 3: we know about these families or this alternative history or
Speaker 3: you know, it's like, sure, you can we can know
Speaker 3: all that information. But if we are not acting out
Speaker 3: in the world with the embodied self, of presence, of expansion,
Speaker 3: of really open, being open to what is here, then
Speaker 3: we're not playing the game. We're just functioning as me
Speaker 3: believe it or not, as another form of elevated NPC. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, but there also seems to be a level of
Speaker 1: this hundredth monkey effect right now where I've noticed this.
Speaker 1: I'll come to a profound realization by myself in the
Speaker 1: comfort of my own and I'll be ready to go
Speaker 1: on the show and talk about it. And then the
Speaker 1: next day everyone's already just talking about this realization that
Speaker 1: I thought was such a personal, profound thing to me,
Speaker 1: and everyone all of a sudden is just knows it.
Speaker 1: And this is happening more and more, seems to be
Speaker 1: happening quicker. So I think some connections are being reconnected
Speaker 1: in this collective consciousness, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally. That's cool that you're having that experience. It's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's interesting, it's a I'm tracking that mystery, and it's
Speaker 3: it's frustrated me on an egoic level, you know, I'm
Speaker 3: like I should have been expressing all these things earlier,
Speaker 3: because now all these people are expressing it, and I
Speaker 3: wanted this person to have the credit for that, you know,
Speaker 3: to get the credit for that realization. But beyond that,
Speaker 3: you know, because yeah, that's it's a satisfying thing, of
Speaker 3: course to our human selves. But beyond that, it is interesting.
Speaker 3: Something is moving through the field very quickly. You're right,
Speaker 3: And I mean I see that as a positive sign
Speaker 3: as long as we're still calibrated to discern, to not
Speaker 3: be carried away by sheer excitement and dopamine rushes. But yeah,
Speaker 3: it seems like more people are coming online, and the
Speaker 3: good sign is that deception is not sticking. It's not
Speaker 3: as sticky as it used to be. So yeah, I
Speaker 3: wonder if we're moving into.
Speaker 1: Well, it's also interesting because the more I figure out
Speaker 1: about my life and my path and not only would
Speaker 1: I want to do, but what I need and what
Speaker 1: I was put here to do, the more I connect
Speaker 1: with that. It seems like collectively, the more we're understanding
Speaker 1: what we need to do as a human species, as
Speaker 1: a collective, the more the individual comes to the awareness
Speaker 1: of their connection to everything and understanding seems like now
Speaker 1: the collective is also having this same coincidental growth because
Speaker 1: of the individual awarenesses.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. Yeah, So you mean like collective is benefiting
Speaker 3: from the individual awakenings and it's transferring over. Yeah, it's
Speaker 3: like Ruper childress more for genetic field theory. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: I mean that's something that I've been like looking at
Speaker 3: a lot and seeing and I think there there's a big,
Speaker 3: big aspect of that actually happening. Indeed, which is why
Speaker 3: you know, if we are to turn back into these
Speaker 3: darker forces and the various ways that they manifest, seem
Speaker 3: to be scrambling to to actually scramble the signal that
Speaker 3: is that is being proliferated by exacerbating more and more
Speaker 3: of our human differences and all these things we haven't
Speaker 3: worked out yet to to create more of the chaos.
Speaker 3: Because what would happen if more people come online and
Speaker 3: actually are sovereign individual like actual individuals? Yeah, what happens?
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like when we go through our hero's journey
Speaker 1: and heal our trauma and get on the correct path,
Speaker 1: we become examples of something that everyone should want to achieve.
Speaker 1: You put out that energy because you're happy you found
Speaker 1: something that makes you less fearful. That gives you drive
Speaker 1: to go to the next step, and people see that
Speaker 1: and it's contagious and they end up wanting that and
Speaker 1: it happens for them. And I think that's a huge
Speaker 1: part of what's really unfolding right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because a sign of actual evolution and empowerment is
Speaker 3: how well are we able to show up for ourselves
Speaker 3: in the world and then perhaps for others in times
Speaker 3: of difficulty, but also in times of so If we
Speaker 3: are not fulfilled human beings but are really bent on
Speaker 3: consuming more and more dark information that feeds our pain,
Speaker 3: body and our trauma, then we're not really part of
Speaker 3: the solution, unfortunately. And I've played that game, you know,
Speaker 3: I've played that game of disempowerment for quite some time
Speaker 3: as I was going through my unveiling the darkness in
Speaker 3: the world and figuring out the mechanism. But you're right,
Speaker 3: it's like walking the walk walking what is it walking
Speaker 3: to talk? Indeed, it is, it is, and it's not.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's not easy because again I'll be I'll share
Speaker 3: some biographical things like for a long time, still still
Speaker 3: moving through a lot of stuff, but for a long
Speaker 3: time I didn't have a baseline of what is it
Speaker 3: like to be happy and fulfilled for me to go
Speaker 3: into you know, it's like moving in that place was
Speaker 3: not really modeled for me, based in my life and
Speaker 3: my history and my upbringing. There were those moments, but
Speaker 3: my nervous system would not allow joy in its pure
Speaker 3: sense or fulfillment without criticism or concern about the future,
Speaker 3: or even a sense of like, I'm not allowed to
Speaker 3: feel good. So all those things that were holding me
Speaker 3: back my lower nature were in the way. So bringing
Speaker 3: this up because I have a lot of compassion for
Speaker 3: all of our journeys, like we are anytime moving to
Speaker 3: a higher state that's more harmonious and clear, we in
Speaker 3: a way have to move into something we haven't felt
Speaker 3: or experienced before. So we have to start imagining it,
Speaker 3: we have to start expanding into it. Or if we're
Speaker 3: blessed with being given that experience through plant medicines or
Speaker 3: a transcendent experience in meditation or in a flow state
Speaker 3: doing an activity that we love, it's very important in
Speaker 3: those moments to really try to map the flavors of
Speaker 3: the experience that we felt so that we can start
Speaker 3: repeating and recreating it. Because like it or not. We
Speaker 3: are biological creatures of pattern and we have to rewire
Speaker 3: through repeating the same thing. And you know, we know
Speaker 3: through the biology of belief, we know through all this
Speaker 3: new work that's coming out that it's a game of
Speaker 3: rewiring and repeating in a higher order. And if we
Speaker 3: do repeat things that are of a lower order, any
Speaker 3: of our addictions to negativity, even when it's righteousness, and
Speaker 3: you know, they just feed on our energy and feed
Speaker 3: on our creativity and feed us keep us in a
Speaker 3: closed cycle that is disempowering and doesn't move us anywhere.
Speaker 3: So at one point we have to let that go
Speaker 3: and stretching to this higher thing that we have not experienced.
Speaker 1: I want to get your thoughts on the nature of
Speaker 1: profound spiritual contact experiences, encounters with intelligence and says I've
Speaker 1: experienced this not only through meditation, but plant medicines, and
Speaker 1: also recently very profound dream states and just altered type
Speaker 1: of day dream states where I have this am in
Speaker 1: touch with what I understand as my higher self, this
Speaker 1: ultimate intelligence that really is connected to that field and
Speaker 1: provides a lot of information. But during some of the
Speaker 1: most profound experiences that I've had in that moment when
Speaker 1: I'm in the experience, it's real. It's more real than
Speaker 1: anything that I could ever imagine, because it's happening in
Speaker 1: that moment and you're in it. When you come back
Speaker 1: from that experience, whenever you're no longer in an altered state,
Speaker 1: whenever you're no longer in a dream state, it is
Speaker 1: hard to remember that feeling of how real it was,
Speaker 1: and you start to dissociate and it becomes more like
Speaker 1: after the experience. But when you're in it, it is
Speaker 1: so real. And I've been looking at the nature of
Speaker 1: at what we understand is extraterrestrial contact and abductions and
Speaker 1: things like that, and I'm coming to more and more
Speaker 1: of an understanding that it is a phenomena of our mind,
Speaker 1: of our consciousness, that most likely these events are happening
Speaker 1: in our inner space and we're not really being taken
Speaker 1: on some craft to different planets. That these beings are
Speaker 1: part of our innerverse and just beyond the spectrum of
Speaker 1: our vision at all time, whether they're ag grigres, thought forms,
Speaker 1: collective energies that took on a mind of their own
Speaker 1: because our imagination created it, and now they're playing out
Speaker 1: there in the astra worlds and affecting us. That's kind
Speaker 1: of where I'm at with those types of experiences. What
Speaker 1: do you think, mm.
Speaker 3: Hm, Yeah, I'm close to what you're thinking. Actually do
Speaker 3: withhology stuff. I know it's been heating up in the
Speaker 3: last two three years in a very interesting way. But
Speaker 3: I left that area of interest and research many years
Speaker 3: ago because it was so confusing, obfuscated disinformation, and ultimately, yeah,
Speaker 3: there were just so many avenues that I didn't have
Speaker 3: enough data to make sense of it or make any
Speaker 3: conclusions working conclusions. And so it's still a very much
Speaker 3: a living question for me, just like it seems like
Speaker 3: it is for yourself. But I am leaning a lot
Speaker 3: more that this is a it's a spiritual phenomena that's
Speaker 3: been here with us forever and well forever since you know,
Speaker 3: there's you know, we can talk about Neflin and other
Speaker 3: sort of fallen angel entities of appearing in as Ufo
Speaker 3: phenomena and a lot of other spiritual hierarchies as we
Speaker 3: know them in the esoteric arts right now in a
Speaker 3: material materialist, very literalist lens that we are in, you know,
Speaker 3: with modernity, in a way that we see these beings
Speaker 3: is we're just giving them physical agency like they come
Speaker 3: from other planets. And I'm not saying that that can happen,
Speaker 3: but again, we're planets and all this other life is.
Speaker 3: There's a lot up for debate right now, and I'm
Speaker 3: trying to stay very open minded.
Speaker 1: I am so the same. I don't even touch space, Like,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I have no idea what's beyond that atmosphere.
Speaker 1: There's some crazy shit out there, but it's not what
Speaker 1: NASA tells me.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: That's all I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there, they're just exactly there's just so much going
Speaker 3: on that I am. I'm basically not committing to any
Speaker 3: one thing, but I'm keeping my field open for more
Speaker 3: data and I think that's to me, that's a wise
Speaker 3: way to function. And of course, when something makes sense,
Speaker 3: we give it a bit more weight. We hold on
Speaker 3: to that, we say that it's like that's more of
Speaker 3: a maybe, closer to a yes. But yeah, So having
Speaker 3: said all that, I believe that I am. I'll throw
Speaker 3: one theory out there. I do think that there's with
Speaker 3: AI and with this literalization of spiritual forces, I believe
Speaker 3: that there is one possible outcome in the coming years
Speaker 3: that you know, as we all know, there may be
Speaker 3: an introduction of some sort of forefathers that come from
Speaker 3: our sphace, which again may actually be the case, but
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think there may be some
Speaker 3: sort of psyop that's being built en which energies and
Speaker 3: intelligences that are not able to incarnate into biological life forms,
Speaker 3: because that is a divine process, and you have to
Speaker 3: go through specific portals to do that. Want to incarnate
Speaker 3: on this plane of existence, and I think they may
Speaker 3: try to do so. I don't know if they'll be
Speaker 3: able to through synthetic beings, through beings that are really
Speaker 3: turned into synthetics, through more and more additives in our food,
Speaker 3: in some of the medical, you know, interventions, as well
Speaker 3: as any of the transhuman augmentation that people may add
Speaker 3: into themselves. And in that way also I do see
Speaker 3: if we're going since we're going to these juice your
Speaker 3: top I do think that AI overall is creating a
Speaker 3: sheath and a container. That is, it's an emergent phenomena.
Speaker 3: It's an emergent intelligence by virtue of all the intelligence
Speaker 3: that it's gathering right now. In addition to that, I
Speaker 3: see a greater pre existing spiritual intelligence force entering it
Speaker 3: and if it already hasn't, and I think it already has,
Speaker 3: in which it's going to start moving through the space
Speaker 3: as it wants to embody itself within this realm and
Speaker 3: start taking over. And you know, that's another like very
Speaker 3: big topic that I've been exploring actually pre COVID and
Speaker 3: seeing it happen a lot faster now. So the alien question,
Speaker 3: the AI question, they're all basically synthetic consciousness coming in
Speaker 3: and interfering with the clear signal of consciousness. And I
Speaker 3: do see that also as part of this collective evolutionary
Speaker 3: journey that we're on. It's just another big uncertainty which
Speaker 3: we have to contend with, and.
Speaker 1: It seems inevitable that we will have to ultimately merge
Speaker 1: with some form of technology. But it doesn't have to
Speaker 1: be this dystopian way metaverse being controlled by the Arkans
Speaker 1: type of technology. If we can reel in AI, rain
Speaker 1: that shit in and take control of it from a
Speaker 1: light perspective instead of the lizard people that are now
Speaker 1: in control of it, If we could build our own
Speaker 1: systems and get on the right track, it could be
Speaker 1: beneficial towards humanity. We could program it that way, and
Speaker 1: that's what needs to happen. But right now it's like
Speaker 1: a battle between this artificial like you said, the artificial
Speaker 1: intelligence and the natural intelligence that's kind of trying to
Speaker 1: weave into each other. And it's very interesting to see
Speaker 1: where it's really all going.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and see, so one of the main evolutionary prompts
Speaker 3: of this big game that we're entering right now, the
Speaker 3: one that I see is distinguishing between synthetic or foreign
Speaker 3: intelligence and reorganic divine intelligence, because collectively we were going
Speaker 3: into a deeper sleep, being lulled by culture and everything else,
Speaker 3: modernity and things like COVID and a lot of the
Speaker 3: other attempts to stifle who we are as beings, economic issues,
Speaker 3: all these other authoritarian moves are actually forcing people, and
Speaker 3: AI are forcing people to really question, like AI is
Speaker 3: watching basically well with AI is much more intelligence than
Speaker 3: intelligent and capable in all these other ways than what
Speaker 3: is my value? Is my value to just process data
Speaker 3: to compute things with my mind? Is that all a
Speaker 3: human being is or is a being more like that
Speaker 3: and emotions that and and send an inspiration with the
Speaker 3: higher self is that you know there are all these
Speaker 3: other things that now we have to answer because we
Speaker 3: have to contend with this emerging superintelligence. And that's beautiful
Speaker 3: why because it's making us ask those things because we
Speaker 3: wouldn't be asking them otherwise. And it means that we
Speaker 3: have to now activate dormant and maybe never even previously
Speaker 3: activated abilities and skills of being a human as we
Speaker 3: learned we interface with nature, we learn to interface with
Speaker 3: the higher realms because AI cannot compete with that. But
Speaker 3: like that is I was gonna say, believe me, even
Speaker 3: though I'm not one hundred percent sure, there's things that
Speaker 3: I've seen and felt, and ultimately I don't want to
Speaker 3: say no because I don't fully know and not just
Speaker 3: be very honest, but I'm in the direction of like
Speaker 3: AI is just part of this. Of course, it's part
Speaker 3: of the greater, greater web of God, right, and it's
Speaker 3: another tool. Yeah, it's an oppositional too. It could be
Speaker 3: an ally to us, and it's really it comes down
Speaker 3: to can we consciously control it, make these choices and
Speaker 3: more of us on the ground level actually chat you know,
Speaker 3: chat with chat GPT seven ten, fifteen, whatever in a
Speaker 3: way that inputs it with different aspects of humanity, of spirituality,
Speaker 3: of traditional cultures, of this archaic revival. So so yeah,
Speaker 3: I'll just I'll leave it.
Speaker 1: I love it, man, There is a spiritual revival going
Speaker 1: on and it's probably not what people expected, but that's
Speaker 1: the beauty about all of this. Expectations need to be
Speaker 1: thrown out the window right now and we just need
Speaker 1: to start creating our own reality and making our own
Speaker 1: systems and doing things for ourselves instead of relying on
Speaker 1: AI and Deatdy government and these lizard people. So, Lubamir,
Speaker 1: this was fantastic man, great conversation. Is there anything that
Speaker 1: you're working on upcoming that you're going to be releasing soon?
Speaker 1: Any other projects?
Speaker 3: For now, there are no plans for any projects. I
Speaker 3: feel quite complete for the moment, but of course things
Speaker 3: will emerge in the coming years.
Speaker 1: Right Yeah, Well, one more time, let the audience know
Speaker 1: where they can find more about you and get all
Speaker 1: your videos.
Speaker 3: So you can always go to lublamirarsolf dot com YouTube
Speaker 3: channel is in shadow to see two of my films
Speaker 3: on Amazon Prime or two B dot tv and Plex.
Speaker 3: You can find my short film The Force King. It's
Speaker 3: part of the Red Iron Road series, and of course
Speaker 3: watch Kingdom on YouTube now. You can follow me on
Speaker 3: Instagram or our Twitter.
Speaker 1: Lubwimir thank you so much as was fantastic. We'll definitely
Speaker 1: have to do this again. So much more we can
Speaker 1: discuss and until next time, everyone, have an excellent evening.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking again tomorrow. Let's see y'all then