Speaker 1: You see a lot of parody, Right, Like someone works
at a company and they're like, oh, I can do
this better than them. They go buy a couple of
C and C machines and they start making their own
actions or accepsories.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You don't necessarily see that in the optics industry because
the complexity. You just can't. You can't get a you know,
a pole barn and put some machines in there and
start making skips, because yeah, the the optical engineering part
of it is incredibly complex.
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Nation Today. I'm going to nation. We're gonna be talking
optics and we can go all over the place because
this is a company who pretty much makes everything. You
probably have heard of them, and you can recognize their
optics by a one second glance, by a gold ring,
you know what I'm talking about. Loophold. We got Nick
and I'm gonna screwed up Nick lick kite Lika kitt
lika cheese them there you go what is what is
the origin of kit Lika?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually a check So yeah, I'm first generation
of my family born in America. Actually, so awesome, very good.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being on with us. Man. So, Nick,
you've been with Loophold for twenty years. I was just
telling you before we started. You know, it's like it's
great because you've seen seen the iterations, you've seen the growth,
you've you've been a part of all these and you
probably have gotten to work in a lot of different
areas of like hunting and observation and shooting sports and
all that stuff. Right, I mean, what what area? Where
does your heart lie? You know, you got like a
love or do you all over the place?
Speaker 1: Man's that's hard. I have a love for warranty and
product service because that's where I started, right, So, which
was it was a great place to start because I
honestly didn't grow up hunting or shooting. I wasn't exposed
to that before being at Loophold. So it was cool
to see all the different products come in, see it
torn apart, you know, mechanically, how it worked, all the
ins and outs. Yeah, so I go down there quite
a bit, you know, still chit chat with all the
people and say hi. And but probably other than that,
like marketing, like having been on the marketing team and
you get to do some really cool things and you
get to see what the brand means to people externally, right,
like and sharing that passion of it being hunting or
shooting or whatever they're doing with the product, which is
which is well.
Speaker 2: And you guys have one of those brands that people
have used and trusted for years and years generational. I
mean it's like, yeah, you know, my dad or my
grandfather had these scopes or these buy No's or whatever
it is, and so people they trust the gold Ring, right.
I mean that's why I teased it and said gold ring.
I mean automatically, if you're into guns and shooting and
you know optics, we know what the gold Ring means
right off the bat, dude starting And I've I love
it when I talk to somebody who has worked in
warranty and customer service because you learn so much about
the product and you hear from the we say the
end user, but the hunter or the shoot or whatever. Right, Yeah,
you end up with crazy stories, don't you.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you know, rolled down a mountain, right, and
you know, or the rifle got lost in a river, right,
and then I found the rifle and scope six months later.
All kinds of crazy stuff. I mean, the people are
putting the products in extreme circumstances and you have things
are going to happen, right, So yeah, you hear a
lot of crazy stuff.
Speaker 2: And you know it's funny because obviously you need it
to be rugged. But we're talking about something that has
erectors and glass and it's it's precision product. But then
people like you said, they hike up and down mountains,
they run around a three gun range and throw it
into buckets. I mean we kind of we we we
invest in good glass, as we say, and then we
abuse it.
Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's crazy because they are truly precision optical
instruments right when we get down to what we're making.
But they're not they're not telescopes, right. They have to
go on these firearms that create an enormous amount of
energy and then everything has to stay in place and
then be repeatable and work. Yeah, it's in fact, I
at the park the other day and the Astronomy club
showed up, right, and they have all their telescopes that
they're pulling out of their cars and these things are
in cases and being babied. Then you know in six
inch foam and stuff, and you know, these are precision
optical instruments too, but they don't have to go through
the riggers that that our products have to go through
when you break down. It's kind of incredible what they
can take. But the amount of nuance in detail that
goes into making those it just doesn't happen overnight. And
I think that's why you see a little bit in
the Yeah, I'll pick on a like bolt guns. Here
in the rifle industry, you see a lot of parody, right,
Like someone works at a company and they're like, oh,
I could do this better than them. They go buy
a couple of CE and C machines and they start
making their own actions or acceptsories. Right. You don't necessarily
see that in the optics industry because the complexity. You
just can't you can't get a you know, a pole
barn and put some machines in there and start making skips. Yeah,
because yeah, the the optical engineering part of it is
incredibly complex.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. So you guys have a
new red dot carbing red dot Optic that we're going
to get into we're going to talk all about. People
are gonna be really excited about it because it really
is a new thing. It's not just like a new
color or whatever. I mean, there's there's a lot of
new features to it. But because you have this background
and because you're an actual shooter, Like literally I'm talking
to you, you're on the road about to go shoot
a match this weekend, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's pulled over. For my previous job
at Loophole that was the shooting sports marketing manager, So
I was at shoots a lot and my love is
shooting PRS. So that's what we're shooting this weekend. So yeah,
I got I got that going. And but then we're
going to be training on the same range the Monday
Tuesday afterwards, and we got a couple VI T people
coming out and we're gonna we're gonna have some fun
and shoot the shoot the new red down a lot. Nice. Yeah,
It's there's no substitute for being an end used yourself,
right because you get to experience all the frustration shortcomings.
You know, man, I wish this would do this or
why why can't we do this and that is. That's
one of my main jobs is to be the voice
of the consumer internally when we're thinking about decisions that
we're making on products or materials or whatever it may be. Right.
Speaker 2: So it's so funny because you know, you got to
do it for work. You got to go shoot you
got to go shoot guns. You gotta do and you
got to integrate in with these competitors in the matches.
But then it becomes like, what do you guys like
to do for fun when you're not working? Shoot guns?
Go hunting?
Speaker 1: Like that's what you know?
Speaker 2: Really not that many people in the firearms industry go
play golf with their customers. You know a lot of them.
I mean, although maybe you guys do because you actually
make sure range finders, but like a lot of them
they go they go hunting.
Speaker 1: This is what we do. Right.
Speaker 2: So, you're a competitive shooter, you've shot a ton. I
got a couple of like random questions for you because
this stuff that people talk about. First off, gas guns
versus bolt guns for long range precision pros and cons
what are they capable of or not capable of?
Speaker 1: I mean a bolt gun still wins hands down ten
out ten times for precision at long range. Yeah, a
bolt gun is just there's no substitute right now. Now,
the technology has gotten a lot better with gas guns,
I will say, and then some of the six art
stuff that's going on that they're doing or newer calibers,
you're seeing better and better precision. And those gas gun
competitions like quantified Performance or things like that are taking
off quite a bit more. Some people are pushing the
limits of what they're doing in competition, which then in turn,
you know, spins the evolution of the the system. So
but yeah, bowl gun. I mean, so this gun right
here that I'm shooting this weekend, where I trued it
out this morning, like doped it out, made sure everything
was on and shooting a truing bar at a one
thousand yards so a chewing bar is about this wide,
you know, a thousand.
Speaker 2: Yards and six pages wide or so.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and snacking rounds into it. So where you
know this is but you know, two different tools for
two different jobs. Yeah really, So yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean people will say, well, faster follow up shots, right,
but that doesn't matter in certain applications.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, you can fast fall up shots
though I've seen some people run the bolt pretty dang fast.
Speaker 2: So true, especially.
Speaker 1: He is running the bolt but staying on target.
Speaker 2: So yeah, what about one of the big things in
PRS and in our NRL is positional building your position,
building your platform, and they try to throw things at you.
Weirdest squirreliest position that you've ever shot.
Speaker 1: From, Oh, Jude, weirdest position that I've ever had to
shoot from. Uh, that's a great question. Probably just some
weird wobbly like like a T post or something like that.
I mean, and this is old, like I think PRS
and NRAL Hunter is definitely involved. But back in the
early PRS days and NRL days before n L Hunter,
they they tried to make things like really wobbly. See yeah,
you'd shoot literally off like the top of a T
post or things like that. So which is weird, but
it just it's not in spirit of like the game
that we play now. I'm trying to think that there
was any crazy weird I And one of the coolest
props that we shoot off here at Twisted Baryl the
range them out. We have a loopholed barricade. It's the
loophold medallion logo. That's a barricade and you got all
the positions to shoot off of off the l and
things like that, so it's like curved, yeah, no, it's round. Yeah,
it's around the downing yeah yeah, made out of steel.
So that's cool. Yeah, it's cool when the matches have
like some unique uh positional shooting stuff like that. You know.
Speaker 2: So this is what happens though. Every every shooting discipline
starts out with this is a way to practice some
practical application thing. You know, Sporting Clays was practicing hunting.
But then but then we want to go for high scores,
so we let everybody start with a mounted gun, right,
So it's like this is like, oh but that's kind
of silly, and we could actually all shoot better scores
if we had better barricades and rests and stuff. What
I think, what I want to see, nick, is prs
from a waterbed.
Speaker 1: Well, they used to they used to have a bunch
of stages that we were they called the boat stages, right,
And it was just a four x eight platform with chains,
you know, and it was like someone would push it
and then you're laying on a crone and it's like
going back and forth. I mean, that's that's about as
close to a while bed as we got.
Speaker 2: It is kind of unfair, I get it. And if
you're actually a good shooter, you're probably pissed off because
you're like, this is nonsense, Like I.
Speaker 1: Could it's yeah, it's gamy, right, yeah, so yeah.
Speaker 2: What about kind of like thinking about red dots as
we move towards talking about the red dots and the
new red dot, what is a red dot carbing optic
capable of? Because we think of red dots on pistols
and we think of little bitty red dots, but like,
what are they capable of? I know you've seen it.
Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty incredible. And we actually had this
is the new one here and we had it mounted
on a just regular fourteen five five five six gun
out at the range and you know that the bug
gets into us and we're like, how far can we
actually shoot? You know, one of these without magnifier or anything,
just red dot, a single one x magification and we
were hitting a thousand yard target. We have at our
range at the Loophole Range in Madras, Central Organ we
have a big foot target at one thousand yards, right,
you got a big foot target. It's organ right, and
we were probably hitting about fifty percent of the time,
and just with fifty five grainon regular you know, two
two three. You know, we had to figure out our
holds a little bit, you know, how far up you know,
you had to compensate. But after that it was pretty repeatable.
And I would say, dude, that's four hundred and five
hundred yards very repeatable. Now, would you want a magnify
in most situations? Yes? Absolutely, But could you do it
with your naked eye? Yeah? Absolutely capable of doing that.
Speaker 2: Fair to say that a red dot on a car
being can you can hit targets much further than most
people think?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, it's you know, and if you're running a
thirty six yard or fifty yard zero or something like that,
right you have your first zero and your secondary zero.
It's really out to three hundred ish yards with those zeros,
you're not holding that much, right, Yeah. Even if you
just hold the same point, you're still hitting you know,
a man sized target right here. So it's it. It
definitely does not It does not hinder the system, the
platform that most of these go on, right, most of
these are going to go on two T three, five, five, six,
that's a five six hundred three yard gun you know
most of the time, and that's absolutely can do. And
then you then you throw a magnify or something like
that behind it, and then it's even better. So absolutely,
then the red dot is king when it comes to
close quarter stuff, right, You're not giving up anything when
you're you're trying to do close up stuff or go
through buildings or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It does a lot of things well. And after the
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are the red Dot czar for LOOPOL at this point,
a red to Hot product manager. So let's talk about
LCO Pro. I mean, what is it and where did
it come from?
Speaker 1: Yeah? So a lot of people. Well, actually I'll take
that back. Maybe not a lot of people. Some people
are familiar with our LCO one, which is this one
right here on this gun. We released that in twenty fifteen.
I kind of equate it to a cult classic movie,
whereas like the people who saw it, the people who
use really really liked it, but not a lot of
people did. I'll still show up with that thing and
people are like, what is that. So it was one
of those products that was kind of in the background
a little bit. But we made it for a couple
of years and then it got discontinued in twenty twenty
I believe, so five years of production. We just it
wasn't that easy for us to make. It was a
little difficult, right, and we wanted to, you know, we
put resources in some other departments and concentrate on some stuff.
We built up our you know, the PRS and the
long range precision shooting stuff was hot, and we put
resources there. But then a couple of years ago, the
team the board got together and was like, hey, we
need to really focus back in on red dots specifically,
there's a huge market there. We know as a company
we can do it better than anyone else. We have
the machines. We have the optical knowledge, we have the capability.
We just need to focus on this and that's that's
really the key because the red dots before there was
there was no red dot product line manager. There was
a product line manager and they had red dots as
well as other magnified scopes. So it's just a matter
of focus. So they hired me into the position as
well as I mean, I think we have six or
seven people on the team dedicated just to red dots.
Electrical engineer, you know, mechanical engineer, automation engineers, things like that.
So we that's all we do. We live and breathe
the red dots or making these products come to life.
Speaker 2: So talk about the LCO pro because I got a
sneak peek when I was in Houston at the NRA
show and it was kind of like this huddle of
like six or seven eight guys who were all just
super stoked looking at this optic So, I mean, what
is it that people are going to be excited about
for this?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the first thing that blows people away
when they look at it or like look through it specifically,
is the clarity, right, and that's those are the really
the two cornerstones that we built this off of was
ruggedness and clarity. I don't feel like anyone else really
does those two things extremely well. Some do one thing well,
some companies do the other thing well. But marrying those
two together so optically this thing is incredible. I mean,
the lens is you don't feel like you're looking through
anything at all. There's no distortion, there's very very minimal tint.
In fact, when you're outside shooting in daylight most time,
you can't really notice the tint. And you know a
lot of times with Carbi red dots, you'll see those
weird like magnification happening, you know with the lens or
curvature or distortion or things like that that might take
your attention away from being truly target focused. Right. Someone
explained it to me, like one of our optical engineers
was like, picture a pair of binoculars, right, and one
barrel is collimated and the other is not collimated, and
now you have these two image things going on. It
kind of hurts your brain and it's not easy to
track things. Yeah, and same thing here. I want it
to feel like I'm literally not looking through anything, like
it's my natural vision through this optic and I think
we achieve that, and that is the benefit. I will say,
like an eotech or a holographic site, right, they use
a window not a lens, so it doesn't cause any distortion.
But this is really the best of both worlds here.
This is the optical performance like a holographic but with
all the added benefits of being a reflex site.
Speaker 2: And so one of the questions that people have started
asking you about.
Speaker 1: This, yeah, battery life, you know, thirty thousand hours, it's
got the motion sensor on it. They want to know
all that stuff. You know, how rugged is it? We
we actually redesign this howing multiple times over because now
we have all this lab equipment, right, we put it
through all these paces. It actually goes through the same
impact tests that a lot of our magnified scopes do,
even though it's not going to go on a magnum
caliber hunting rifle, right, but we want to make sure
that it can go on anything. But we also did
some non scientific tests, right, taking fully loaded m fours
and throwing them six feet on the concrete and making
sure that they, you know, held a point of aim
and didn't break.
Speaker 2: So but that's you know, that's not a scientific test,
but that you know, that's not scientific test, but it's
a practical test, right, Like, this thing is sitting on
an M four that has a thirty round full fully
loaded magazine. It's a lot of weight. You drop it,
you know, from a shoulder height right.
Speaker 1: Right, exactly. Yeah, So and people are like, you knows,
some of the comments I've seen it was like, well
that you know, I'm never going to do that to
my rifle. I'm like, yeah, I hope you never do
that too, right, you don't want to do that to
your rifle. But this is being designed to be used
in a professional capacity to where things like that might happen.
It might fall off a truck somewhere right or get
blown up and you know thirty feet you know, in
one direction. But does this thing we'll be able to
survive that. So we've done a lot of different testing
like that to ensure that this meets all the standards
that Loophold has. I mean, we have a really like
long track record on the magnified scope side, right, we
have more you know, precision magnified optics in service than
anyone else. So it's taking that same approach to the
ruggedness and durability of the of the red dot as well.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Nick, you're not saying that an eighteen
year old soldier mistreats things, right.
Speaker 1: They will tell you themselves. They're like, hey, can I
test this for you? Because I will. I know I'm
hard on stuff, I promise.
Speaker 2: It's one thing I'm good at is breaking things. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they know it. They know it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, as far as ruggedness goes, I mean, this is
kind of a this is a car being optic, at
least that's what I keep calling it. Is it something
they would run on other platforms like a shotgun?
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah. Yeah. We put this on. We
were just shooting it the other day on a Bretta
thirteen oh one. We're shooting some slubs and buckshot through it.
You could put it on an AK. You could put
it on I'm probably a little big for a piscol
may know and do that. Maybe a degal if you
really wanted to, or something like that. But yeah, you can.
You can put it on a multitude of other platforms.
And that's one cool thing about this is that it's
a little lower than say like an eotech or something
like that. It's one point five inches from the rail
to the mid of the window right there, and that
means that it works with a lot of other platforms
that might have a lower cheek weld than a standard
at ar like this.
Speaker 2: And as far as mounting, it's built in goes on
a pitrail.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you got on the bottom there, you
got three recoil lugs. Yeah, and your keeper there, which
is longer than the original keeper on the Gen one LCO.
And this was a little touch that I added because
I'm dumb and forget things. So on the side of
the optic it actually says sixty five inch pounds in
T twenty seven for your bit.
Speaker 2: So there's actually a correct tightness everybody. Yeah, there's a
fact manufacturer recommended tightness, not just good and tight, but
like actually, you know, let's let's try to do it right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, not too, I'll get douggass, like use a torque
crunch and make sure that it's at sixty five inch
pounds for I got a.
Speaker 2: Question for you, Nick. So, because it's an unmagnified optic
and because we all have these these ars that are
full length rails from the back to the very almost
tip of the muzzle hand mount it anywhere, and we
see a lot of variety out there in the wild.
Best practice is best recommendation from you who've been doing
this a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, generally speaking, I'm gonna mount it right over the
the port, you know, the where the brass comes out there.
So on the on the upper you could mount it
further you know, to your eye if you really wanted to,
or a little further forward, but right there in the
middle of the receiver is probably is the best. You know,
the benefit of a red dot is it has no
eye relief. You can put it forward or you could
put it back, and that's why it works well on
other platforms, you know, like a lever gun or something
like that too. But generally speaking, you can see where
this one's mounted right there, you know, right in line
with the with the mag well, so that's where that's
where I put it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously you have that flexibility, but that is
kind of best practices for most applications.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you might put you might put a
magnet magnifier, you know, like behind it, or maybe you
have flip up iron sights on the rail taking up
some space, so putting it a little bit forward is
a good good practice.
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let's talk about radical. We always talk about red dot.
Red dot is like this catch all. There are optics
that have dots that are different colors. There are things
that are not even dots. You know, there's theoretical inside
that you use as your aiming point. You guys have
some options on this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So the the Gen one l c O Yeah,
we just had a one m o a dot. Nothing
fancy there, but people really did love the fine aiming
point of the one m o a dot, especially when
you put a magnifier behind it. Magnifire magnifies everything, right,
So if you have one dot and a threem dot,
so you want to eat that decision in the new one.
But also add the features that other.
Speaker 3: People like about some other competitive products out there. So
we have the traditional circle dot redical circle with the
compass points and the dot in the middle.
Speaker 1: The cool thing about this is a lot of those
other products that have that radical only have two options.
You have the full circle dot redical, or you only
have the dot in the middle. And this is a
completely custom, proprietary led that we designed that you can
actually turn four segments on and off so that means
I can shoot the dot. I can shoot the dot
with just the compass points of that circle dot redical.
I can shoot the dot with just the circle no
compass points, or the full meal deal dot in the
middle and circle and compass points. So you got four
options there. One of the options that I actually was
surprised that I liked a lot. And I'm generally speaking personally,
I'm a dot guy. I don't run a circle dot.
I just like a dot. But the dot with the
compass points with the hashes is really cool because it
doesn't cover a lot of the target. It doesn't take
a lot of my focus away from the dot, but
it gives me aiming points that I can use for holdovers,
be it at distance or you know, again, if I'm
running a thirty six yard or fifty yard zero, I
have a mechanical offset. When I'm at like ten yards
or something like that, you generally aim high right to
hit your aiming point, and that bottom hash mark is
perfect for mechanical offset. I just use that as my
aiming point, and now my point of impact is precisely
where that is. So yeah, there's a lot of flexibility there.
So we have we have a night vision button on
the side. The short press puts you in the night
vision mode, but if you long press it, that gives
you Radical Selection mode, and then you can go through
those radicals by using the illumination dial.
Speaker 2: So it's like a quick touch night vision.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Correct. So we got twenty daytime settings and ten
night vision settings.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 1: So if you want to go quick into night vision,
you just hit that button, and then if you want
to go back today, you just quick press that button
again and then you're back in daytime mode.
Speaker 2: That's very cool because I mean a lot of people
are I mean a lot of people are getting into
night vision. They're buying button helmets, they're buying nods. Yeah,
and being able to bounce back and forth easily with
not having to scroll through all the buttons, you know,
that's cool.
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, we just had a conversation about that this morning.
Is because I feel like historically it's kind of been like, oh,
night vision, that's a niche thing or a professional land
user thing. But now you see PP has four teens
out there for two grand, right, so it's the same
price is buying a rifle, honestly, Right, So okay, I
got I already got three or four rifles in the
same next purchase is going to be like a monocular, right,
doesn't have to be nods or anything like that, and
you got that capability, So yeah, it's becoming a lot
more attainable I think for the average shooter.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, So this thing is is is launching
now as we as we as we release this episode
will be launching now. Is it going to be like
out in the wild or is it is it like
launching and then they have to wait a little bit
or what?
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a couple of weeks. We're we're lagging a
couple of weeks there, but about two or three weeks
after launch, you we'll see them in the stores. So
very cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So I got a couple more like
just loophole dy questions for you yeah, you've been there
for a while. What loopholed product? Would you bring back?
One that is cool? But it went away?
Speaker 1: Man? Well, being the red dot guy now in the
car being guy, I want I would like to see
the hammer come back, which I uh, for those of
you don't know, it was a cog esque type site,
so it's a it was four power fixed prismatic with
a delta point on top, red dot on top. I
remember what was that movie extraction? Uh, Extraction came out
on Netflix and the guy had a hammer on it
and people were blowing up my inbox and like, oh
did you guys bring it back? Is there a new one?
Like where can I get?
Speaker 2: Like yeah, that's terrible, Like you want to call the armor, like, hey, man,
stop putting discontinued products on cool guns in cool movie.
Speaker 1: Yeah right now it is h I would like to
see that one come back. I might. I might change
it to a fixed six power instead of four power
because I think when I think about like h lp
v o s right, how most people use lp v ohs.
A lot of people stick them on six power and
then put red dot off top and where like okay,
you can do that same thing with a prismatic, and
then a prism site is actually optically it's a it's
a clearer, cleaner image than a magnified skill, So you
gotta have better resolution and clarity at that six power.
It's an interesting concept to.
Speaker 2: Me, Dude, I like that idea though. I like what
you're saying, and I remember the hammer I've I shot that. Yeah,
six power with Now you have a lot of different
variety of capabilities, not as over much we were rapping,
Which brings me to my next question, because you guys
make all of it. If someone's like red dot or
lp v O, how do I choose pros and cons?
I mean, there's there's, there's there's it's you can't go wrong,
I feel like, but it just depends.
Speaker 1: Right, It absolutely depends and depends on what you're gonna
put it on and then what your application is. I mean,
like I mentioned the red dot for close up CBB,
whatever you want to call it is so good because
you don't have eye release and you don't have an eyebox,
So that means I don't need perfect alignments. I don't
need to get my head in the perfect place on
the gun, and I can take shots from unconventional positions
and do a lot of things, and then you you
couple that with a magnifier and now you've just you know,
you have a pretty powerful platform there. But you know,
especially I, you know, personally, I have jumped on the
six arc bandwagon. I love the performance of that round
out of a small frame. Ar I'm gonna run in
an lpvo or in our case, you know, we have
our mark five to two to ten. I'm gonna run
that with a twelve o'clock red dot up top. Yeah,
I can still do some close up work with the
red dot. I don't have as good of a cheek weld,
you know, it's more of a chin weld type situation.
But then I have that magnif magnification with the with
the two to ten for the engagements out to a
thousand yards. So man, I for me, it's just it's
hard to be And I know I'm the red dot
to guys, so you know, I'm supposed to say red
dot CEO for close up stuff, but I just that
that's my choice that I go to rather than a
one to six or one to eight or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's not actually a right answer to this
I mean, you're you know, the red dot is so
simple and so easy and fast and effective, you know,
like you said earlier, zero to three hundred yards or whatever,
just kind of like no brain or stuff. It is
funny though, because you kind of mentioned it. We talk
about LPVO, which stands for low power very well optic.
But then we have this like does it have to
go to one to be an LPVO in like if
a two to ten I mean ten power is not
considered low power in my book, It's just like I
feel like shooters are having their cake and eating it too,
with steak and some chocolate sauce and anything they damn want.
These days.
Speaker 1: We're we're, I mean, we are very spoiled that we
live in the age that we do with the options
that we do, right, And then that's uh. And then
you've heard the term mp v O. I'm sure like
medium powered variable optics. So that popped up, you know,
with the with the two to ten and optics like that.
So man, there's but you know it's great for me
in personally. I'm a gearhead. I like gear. I like
gear I get it. Why guys, do you know? So
it's a variety of the spice wife, right, and you could. Yeah,
you get bored with one thing, you can switch it
out and you can run the other thing. Get proficial
with that.
Speaker 2: So that's right when people do that. You know, if
you could only have one scope or only one gun
or only one whatever, I like, just stop right there.
We don't live in the world of only okay, So yeah,
I don't want to live in that world.
Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah, what's your end of the world gun? Right?
If you have to choose one and go that? What what?
What is it? What optic is of? Yeah?
Speaker 2: So yeah, well Nick, thanks man the the l C
say it again, l C.
Speaker 1: O pro lco pro yes co pro.
Speaker 2: Out Now very cool. I love a carbing. Optic just
does a lot of things. Well, and we'll have you
back on. We'll talk more about red dots and what
loop pulls up to.
Speaker 1: We might have some more stuff coming down the fight
here in the future, so I'm sure we'll have opportunities
to talking about it.
Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, thanks for being on and thanks for listening,
Thanks for watching. We'll see you guys all next time
on gun Dog Nation.