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Speaker 1: You see a lot of parody, Right, Like someone works

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at a company and they're like, oh, I can do

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this better than them. They go buy a couple of

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C and C machines and they start making their own

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actions or accepsories.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: You don't necessarily see that in the optics industry because

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the complexity. You just can't. You can't get a you know,

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a pole barn and put some machines in there and

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start making skips, because yeah, the the optical engineering part

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of it is incredibly complex.

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Speaker 2: I'm Ryan Gresham and this this is Guntognation. Guntognation is

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brought to you by Ruger Arcan Firearms, Range Ready, Cult Shooting,

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Sports Life and Reavington Ammunition. Hey, welcome into gun dog

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Nation Today. I'm going to nation. We're gonna be talking

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optics and we can go all over the place because

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this is a company who pretty much makes everything. You

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probably have heard of them, and you can recognize their

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optics by a one second glance, by a gold ring,

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you know what I'm talking about. Loophold. We got Nick

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and I'm gonna screwed up Nick lick kite Lika kitt

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lika cheese them there you go what is what is

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the origin of kit Lika?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually a check So yeah, I'm first generation

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of my family born in America. Actually, so awesome, very good.

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Speaker 2: Well, thanks for being on with us. Man. So, Nick,

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you've been with Loophold for twenty years. I was just

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telling you before we started. You know, it's like it's

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great because you've seen seen the iterations, you've seen the growth,

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you've you've been a part of all these and you

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probably have gotten to work in a lot of different

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areas of like hunting and observation and shooting sports and

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all that stuff. Right, I mean, what what area? Where

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does your heart lie? You know, you got like a

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love or do you all over the place?

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Speaker 1: Man's that's hard. I have a love for warranty and

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product service because that's where I started, right, So, which

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was it was a great place to start because I

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honestly didn't grow up hunting or shooting. I wasn't exposed

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to that before being at Loophold. So it was cool

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to see all the different products come in, see it

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torn apart, you know, mechanically, how it worked, all the

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ins and outs. Yeah, so I go down there quite

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a bit, you know, still chit chat with all the

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people and say hi. And but probably other than that,

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like marketing, like having been on the marketing team and

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you get to do some really cool things and you

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get to see what the brand means to people externally, right,

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like and sharing that passion of it being hunting or

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shooting or whatever they're doing with the product, which is

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which is well.

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Speaker 2: And you guys have one of those brands that people

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have used and trusted for years and years generational. I

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mean it's like, yeah, you know, my dad or my

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grandfather had these scopes or these buy No's or whatever

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it is, and so people they trust the gold Ring, right.

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I mean that's why I teased it and said gold ring.

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I mean automatically, if you're into guns and shooting and

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you know optics, we know what the gold Ring means

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right off the bat, dude starting And I've I love

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it when I talk to somebody who has worked in

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warranty and customer service because you learn so much about

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the product and you hear from the we say the

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end user, but the hunter or the shoot or whatever. Right, Yeah,

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you end up with crazy stories, don't you.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, you know, rolled down a mountain, right, and

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you know, or the rifle got lost in a river, right,

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and then I found the rifle and scope six months later.

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All kinds of crazy stuff. I mean, the people are

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putting the products in extreme circumstances and you have things

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are going to happen, right, So yeah, you hear a

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lot of crazy stuff.

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Speaker 2: And you know it's funny because obviously you need it

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to be rugged. But we're talking about something that has

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erectors and glass and it's it's precision product. But then

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people like you said, they hike up and down mountains,

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they run around a three gun range and throw it

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into buckets. I mean we kind of we we we

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invest in good glass, as we say, and then we

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abuse it.

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's it's crazy because they are truly precision optical

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instruments right when we get down to what we're making.

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But they're not they're not telescopes, right. They have to

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go on these firearms that create an enormous amount of

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energy and then everything has to stay in place and

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then be repeatable and work. Yeah, it's in fact, I

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at the park the other day and the Astronomy club

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showed up, right, and they have all their telescopes that

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they're pulling out of their cars and these things are

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in cases and being babied. Then you know in six

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inch foam and stuff, and you know, these are precision

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optical instruments too, but they don't have to go through

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the riggers that that our products have to go through

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when you break down. It's kind of incredible what they

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can take. But the amount of nuance in detail that

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goes into making those it just doesn't happen overnight. And

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the Yeah, I'll pick on a like bolt guns. Here

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in the rifle industry, you see a lot of parody, right,

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I could do this better than them. They go buy

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a couple of CE and C machines and they start

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making their own actions or acceptsories. Right. You don't necessarily

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see that in the optics industry because the complexity. You

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just can't you can't get a you know, a pole

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barn and put some machines in there and start making skips. Yeah,

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because yeah, the the optical engineering part of it is

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incredibly complex.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. So you guys have a

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new red dot carbing red dot Optic that we're going

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to get into we're going to talk all about. People

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are gonna be really excited about it because it really

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is a new thing. It's not just like a new

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color or whatever. I mean, there's there's a lot of

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new features to it. But because you have this background

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and because you're an actual shooter, Like literally I'm talking

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to you, you're on the road about to go shoot

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a match this weekend, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, let's pulled over. For my previous job

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at Loophole that was the shooting sports marketing manager, So

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I was at shoots a lot and my love is

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shooting PRS. So that's what we're shooting this weekend. So yeah,

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I got I got that going. And but then we're

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going to be training on the same range the Monday

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Tuesday afterwards, and we got a couple VI T people

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coming out and we're gonna we're gonna have some fun

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and shoot the shoot the new red down a lot. Nice. Yeah,

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right because you get to experience all the frustration shortcomings.

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why why can't we do this and that is. That's

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one of my main jobs is to be the voice

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of the consumer internally when we're thinking about decisions that

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we're making on products or materials or whatever it may be. Right.

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Speaker 2: So it's so funny because you know, you got to

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do it for work. You got to go shoot you

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got to go shoot guns. You gotta do and you

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got to integrate in with these competitors in the matches.

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to do for fun when you're not working? Shoot guns?

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Speaker 1: Like that's what you know?

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Speaker 2: Really not that many people in the firearms industry go

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play golf with their customers. You know a lot of them.

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make sure range finders, but like a lot of them

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they go they go hunting.

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Speaker 1: This is what we do. Right.

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Speaker 2: So, you're a competitive shooter, you've shot a ton. I

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this stuff that people talk about. First off, gas guns

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versus bolt guns for long range precision pros and cons

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what are they capable of or not capable of?

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Speaker 1: I mean a bolt gun still wins hands down ten

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out ten times for precision at long range. Yeah, a

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bolt gun is just there's no substitute right now. Now,

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stuff that's going on that they're doing or newer calibers,

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you're seeing better and better precision. And those gas gun

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competitions like quantified Performance or things like that are taking

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limits of what they're doing in competition, which then in turn,

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you know, spins the evolution of the the system. So

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out this morning, like doped it out, made sure everything

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was on and shooting a truing bar at a one

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thousand yards so a chewing bar is about this wide,

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Speaker 2: Yards and six pages wide or so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, and snacking rounds into it. So where you

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know this is but you know, two different tools for

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two different jobs. Yeah really, So yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean people will say, well, faster follow up shots, right,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, yeah, you can fast fall up shots

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Speaker 2: So true, especially.

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Speaker 1: He is running the bolt but staying on target.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, what about one of the big things in

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building your platform, and they try to throw things at you.

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Speaker 1: From, Oh, Jude, weirdest position that I've ever had to

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shoot from. Uh, that's a great question. Probably just some

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they they tried to make things like really wobbly. See yeah,

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you'd shoot literally off like the top of a T

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post or things like that. So which is weird, but

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it just it's not in spirit of like the game

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that we play now. I'm trying to think that there

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was any crazy weird I And one of the coolest

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props that we shoot off here at Twisted Baryl the

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range them out. We have a loopholed barricade. It's the

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loophold medallion logo. That's a barricade and you got all

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the positions to shoot off of off the l and

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Speaker 2: So this is what happens though. Every every shooting discipline

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starts out with this is a way to practice some

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practical application thing. You know, Sporting Clays was practicing hunting.

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so we let everybody start with a mounted gun, right,

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of silly, and we could actually all shoot better scores

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if we had better barricades and rests and stuff. What

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I think, what I want to see, nick, is prs

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from a waterbed.

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Speaker 1: Well, they used to they used to have a bunch

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of stages that we were they called the boat stages, right,

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you know, and it was like someone would push it

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and then you're laying on a crone and it's like

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going back and forth. I mean, that's that's about as

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close to a while bed as we got.

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Speaker 2: It is kind of unfair, I get it. And if

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you're actually a good shooter, you're probably pissed off because

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you're like, this is nonsense, Like I.

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Speaker 1: Could it's yeah, it's gamy, right, yeah, so yeah.

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Speaker 2: What about kind of like thinking about red dots as

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we move towards talking about the red dots and the

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new red dot, what is a red dot carbing optic

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capable of? Because we think of red dots on pistols

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and we think of little bitty red dots, but like,

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what are they capable of? I know you've seen it.

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Speaker 1: I mean it's pretty incredible. And we actually had this

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out at the range and you know that the bug

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gets into us and we're like, how far can we

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actually shoot? You know, one of these without magnifier or anything,

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just red dot, a single one x magification and we

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were hitting a thousand yard target. We have at our

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range at the Loophole Range in Madras, Central Organ we

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have a big foot target at one thousand yards, right,

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you got a big foot target. It's organ right, and

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we were probably hitting about fifty percent of the time,

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and just with fifty five grainon regular you know, two

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two three. You know, we had to figure out our

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holds a little bit, you know, how far up you know,

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you had to compensate. But after that it was pretty repeatable.

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And I would say, dude, that's four hundred and five

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hundred yards very repeatable. Now, would you want a magnify

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in most situations? Yes? Absolutely, But could you do it

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with your naked eye? Yeah? Absolutely capable of doing that.

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Speaker 2: Fair to say that a red dot on a car

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being can you can hit targets much further than most

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people think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, it's you know, and if you're running a

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thirty six yard or fifty yard zero or something like that,

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right you have your first zero and your secondary zero.

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It's really out to three hundred ish yards with those zeros,

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you're not holding that much, right, Yeah. Even if you

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just hold the same point, you're still hitting you know,

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a man sized target right here. So it's it. It

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definitely does not It does not hinder the system, the

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platform that most of these go on, right, most of

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these are going to go on two T three, five, five, six,

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that's a five six hundred three yard gun you know

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most of the time, and that's absolutely can do. And

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then you then you throw a magnify or something like

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that behind it, and then it's even better. So absolutely,

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then the red dot is king when it comes to

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close quarter stuff, right, You're not giving up anything when

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you're you're trying to do close up stuff or go

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through buildings or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: It does a lot of things well. And after the

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are the red Dot czar for LOOPOL at this point,

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a red to Hot product manager. So let's talk about

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LCO Pro. I mean, what is it and where did

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it come from?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? So a lot of people. Well, actually I'll take

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that back. Maybe not a lot of people. Some people

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are familiar with our LCO one, which is this one

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right here on this gun. We released that in twenty fifteen.

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I kind of equate it to a cult classic movie,

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whereas like the people who saw it, the people who

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use really really liked it, but not a lot of

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people did. I'll still show up with that thing and

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people are like, what is that. So it was one

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of those products that was kind of in the background

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a little bit. But we made it for a couple

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of years and then it got discontinued in twenty twenty

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I believe, so five years of production. We just it

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wasn't that easy for us to make. It was a

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little difficult, right, and we wanted to, you know, we

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put resources in some other departments and concentrate on some stuff.

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We built up our you know, the PRS and the

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long range precision shooting stuff was hot, and we put

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resources there. But then a couple of years ago, the

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team the board got together and was like, hey, we

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need to really focus back in on red dots specifically,

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there's a huge market there. We know as a company

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we can do it better than anyone else. We have

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the machines. We have the optical knowledge, we have the capability.

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We just need to focus on this and that's that's

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really the key because the red dots before there was

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there was no red dot product line manager. There was

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a product line manager and they had red dots as

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well as other magnified scopes. So it's just a matter

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of focus. So they hired me into the position as

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well as I mean, I think we have six or

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seven people on the team dedicated just to red dots.

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Electrical engineer, you know, mechanical engineer, automation engineers, things like that.

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So we that's all we do. We live and breathe

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the red dots or making these products come to life.

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Speaker 2: So talk about the LCO pro because I got a

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sneak peek when I was in Houston at the NRA

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show and it was kind of like this huddle of

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like six or seven eight guys who were all just

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super stoked looking at this optic So, I mean, what

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is it that people are going to be excited about

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for this?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the first thing that blows people away

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when they look at it or like look through it specifically,

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is the clarity, right, and that's those are the really

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the two cornerstones that we built this off of was

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ruggedness and clarity. I don't feel like anyone else really

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does those two things extremely well. Some do one thing well,

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some companies do the other thing well. But marrying those

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two together so optically this thing is incredible. I mean,

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the lens is you don't feel like you're looking through

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anything at all. There's no distortion, there's very very minimal tint.

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In fact, when you're outside shooting in daylight most time,

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you can't really notice the tint. And you know a

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lot of times with Carbi red dots, you'll see those

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weird like magnification happening, you know with the lens or

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curvature or distortion or things like that that might take

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your attention away from being truly target focused. Right. Someone

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explained it to me, like one of our optical engineers

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was like, picture a pair of binoculars, right, and one

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barrel is collimated and the other is not collimated, and

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now you have these two image things going on. It

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kind of hurts your brain and it's not easy to

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track things. Yeah, and same thing here. I want it

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to feel like I'm literally not looking through anything, like

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it's my natural vision through this optic and I think

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we achieve that, and that is the benefit. I will say,

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like an eotech or a holographic site, right, they use

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a window not a lens, so it doesn't cause any distortion.

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But this is really the best of both worlds here.

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This is the optical performance like a holographic but with

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all the added benefits of being a reflex site.

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Speaker 2: And so one of the questions that people have started

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asking you about.

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Speaker 1: This, yeah, battery life, you know, thirty thousand hours, it's

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got the motion sensor on it. They want to know

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all that stuff. You know, how rugged is it? We

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we actually redesign this howing multiple times over because now

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we have all this lab equipment, right, we put it

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through all these paces. It actually goes through the same

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impact tests that a lot of our magnified scopes do,

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even though it's not going to go on a magnum

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caliber hunting rifle, right, but we want to make sure

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that it can go on anything. But we also did

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some non scientific tests, right, taking fully loaded m fours

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and throwing them six feet on the concrete and making

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sure that they, you know, held a point of aim

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and didn't break.

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Speaker 2: So but that's you know, that's not a scientific test,

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but that you know, that's not scientific test, but it's

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a practical test, right, Like, this thing is sitting on

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an M four that has a thirty round full fully

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loaded magazine. It's a lot of weight. You drop it,

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you know, from a shoulder height right.

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Speaker 1: Right, exactly. Yeah, So and people are like, you knows,

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some of the comments I've seen it was like, well

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that you know, I'm never going to do that to

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my rifle. I'm like, yeah, I hope you never do

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that too, right, you don't want to do that to

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your rifle. But this is being designed to be used

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in a professional capacity to where things like that might happen.

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It might fall off a truck somewhere right or get

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blown up and you know thirty feet you know, in

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one direction. But does this thing we'll be able to

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survive that. So we've done a lot of different testing

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like that to ensure that this meets all the standards

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that Loophold has. I mean, we have a really like

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long track record on the magnified scope side, right, we

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have more you know, precision magnified optics in service than

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anyone else. So it's taking that same approach to the

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ruggedness and durability of the of the red dot as well.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, Nick, you're not saying that an eighteen

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year old soldier mistreats things, right.

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Speaker 1: They will tell you themselves. They're like, hey, can I

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test this for you? Because I will. I know I'm

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hard on stuff, I promise.

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Speaker 2: It's one thing I'm good at is breaking things. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they know it. They know it. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, as far as ruggedness goes, I mean, this is

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kind of a this is a car being optic, at

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least that's what I keep calling it. Is it something

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they would run on other platforms like a shotgun?

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Speaker 1: Oh for sure. Yeah. Yeah. We put this on. We

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were just shooting it the other day on a Bretta

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thirteen oh one. We're shooting some slubs and buckshot through it.

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You could put it on an AK. You could put

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it on I'm probably a little big for a piscol

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may know and do that. Maybe a degal if you

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really wanted to, or something like that. But yeah, you can.

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You can put it on a multitude of other platforms.

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And that's one cool thing about this is that it's

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a little lower than say like an eotech or something

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like that. It's one point five inches from the rail

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to the mid of the window right there, and that

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means that it works with a lot of other platforms

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that might have a lower cheek weld than a standard

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at ar like this.

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Speaker 2: And as far as mounting, it's built in goes on

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a pitrail.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, you got on the bottom there, you

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got three recoil lugs. Yeah, and your keeper there, which

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is longer than the original keeper on the Gen one LCO.

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And this was a little touch that I added because

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I'm dumb and forget things. So on the side of

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the optic it actually says sixty five inch pounds in

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T twenty seven for your bit.

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Speaker 2: So there's actually a correct tightness everybody. Yeah, there's a

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fact manufacturer recommended tightness, not just good and tight, but

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like actually, you know, let's let's try to do it right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not too, I'll get douggass, like use a torque

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crunch and make sure that it's at sixty five inch

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pounds for I got a.

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Speaker 2: Question for you, Nick. So, because it's an unmagnified optic

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and because we all have these these ars that are

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full length rails from the back to the very almost

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tip of the muzzle hand mount it anywhere, and we

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see a lot of variety out there in the wild.

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Best practice is best recommendation from you who've been doing

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this a long time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, generally speaking, I'm gonna mount it right over the

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the port, you know, the where the brass comes out there.

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So on the on the upper you could mount it

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further you know, to your eye if you really wanted to,

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or a little further forward, but right there in the

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middle of the receiver is probably is the best. You know,

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the benefit of a red dot is it has no

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eye relief. You can put it forward or you could

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put it back, and that's why it works well on

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other platforms, you know, like a lever gun or something

474
00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,519
like that too. But generally speaking, you can see where

475
00:25:43,559 --> 00:25:45,759
this one's mounted right there, you know, right in line

476
00:25:45,799 --> 00:25:48,759
with the with the mag well, so that's where that's

477
00:25:48,799 --> 00:25:49,480
where I put it.

478
00:25:49,759 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, and obviously you have that flexibility, but that is

479
00:25:52,759 --> 00:25:56,480
kind of best practices for most applications.

480
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you might put you might put a

481
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:04,160
magnet magnifier, you know, like behind it, or maybe you

482
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,279
have flip up iron sights on the rail taking up

483
00:26:07,319 --> 00:26:10,440
some space, so putting it a little bit forward is

484
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:11,759
a good good practice.

485
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,680
Speaker 2: Well, I know there's some other stuff that you did

486
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in this including medical options. After the break, we're going

487
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to talk about that. The Ruger LCP Max is still

488
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one of the most popular pocket sized personal protection pistols,

489
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and they just made it better with the Magpool Enhanced

490
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Handgun Grip. So this one is the LCP Max with

491
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Magpol EHG. Has nice texture, has a little bit bigger

492
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grip module on it so you can get a little

493
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bit more grip on the gun. Has a thirteen round magazine,

494
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also a ten round magazine, so it's just had been

495
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enhanced a bit. Still small, still easy to shoot, and

496
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still very reliable as a Ruger, So go check it out,

497
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498
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different configurations for the Enhanced Patrol Rifle from COLT. So, Nick,

510
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let's talk about radical. We always talk about red dot.

511
00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,960
Red dot is like this catch all. There are optics

512
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:58,079
that have dots that are different colors. There are things

513
00:27:58,079 --> 00:28:01,039
that are not even dots. You know, there's theoretical inside

514
00:28:01,039 --> 00:28:02,960
that you use as your aiming point. You guys have

515
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,119
some options on this one.

516
00:28:05,039 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So the the Gen one l c O Yeah,

517
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:10,200
we just had a one m o a dot. Nothing

518
00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:13,160
fancy there, but people really did love the fine aiming

519
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:16,640
point of the one m o a dot, especially when

520
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,599
you put a magnifier behind it. Magnifire magnifies everything, right,

521
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:23,200
So if you have one dot and a threem dot,

522
00:28:23,319 --> 00:28:26,759
so you want to eat that decision in the new one.

523
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,240
But also add the features that other.

524
00:28:30,079 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 3: People like about some other competitive products out there. So

525
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:38,640
we have the traditional circle dot redical circle with the

526
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,839
compass points and the dot in the middle.

527
00:28:41,799 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: The cool thing about this is a lot of those

528
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,920
other products that have that radical only have two options.

529
00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:51,000
You have the full circle dot redical, or you only

530
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,400
have the dot in the middle. And this is a

531
00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:58,400
completely custom, proprietary led that we designed that you can

532
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,079
actually turn four segments on and off so that means

533
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:05,119
I can shoot the dot. I can shoot the dot

534
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:08,640
with just the compass points of that circle dot redical.

535
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:11,440
I can shoot the dot with just the circle no

536
00:29:11,839 --> 00:29:15,319
compass points, or the full meal deal dot in the

537
00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:18,799
middle and circle and compass points. So you got four

538
00:29:18,839 --> 00:29:21,839
options there. One of the options that I actually was

539
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:26,240
surprised that I liked a lot. And I'm generally speaking personally,

540
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,039
I'm a dot guy. I don't run a circle dot.

541
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,519
I just like a dot. But the dot with the

542
00:29:30,559 --> 00:29:34,359
compass points with the hashes is really cool because it

543
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,240
doesn't cover a lot of the target. It doesn't take

544
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:38,319
a lot of my focus away from the dot, but

545
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,519
it gives me aiming points that I can use for holdovers,

546
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:45,519
be it at distance or you know, again, if I'm

547
00:29:45,559 --> 00:29:47,920
running a thirty six yard or fifty yard zero, I

548
00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:50,559
have a mechanical offset. When I'm at like ten yards

549
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:53,799
or something like that, you generally aim high right to

550
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,359
hit your aiming point, and that bottom hash mark is

551
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:59,599
perfect for mechanical offset. I just use that as my

552
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:03,000
aiming point, and now my point of impact is precisely

553
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,200
where that is. So yeah, there's a lot of flexibility there.

554
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:09,519
So we have we have a night vision button on

555
00:30:09,559 --> 00:30:11,839
the side. The short press puts you in the night

556
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,400
vision mode, but if you long press it, that gives

557
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:17,000
you Radical Selection mode, and then you can go through

558
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,160
those radicals by using the illumination dial.

559
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 2: So it's like a quick touch night vision.

560
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:26,319
Speaker 1: Yeah. Correct. So we got twenty daytime settings and ten

561
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:27,279
night vision settings.

562
00:30:27,359 --> 00:30:27,720
Speaker 2: Oh wow.

563
00:30:27,759 --> 00:30:29,640
Speaker 1: So if you want to go quick into night vision,

564
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,480
you just hit that button, and then if you want

565
00:30:32,519 --> 00:30:34,440
to go back today, you just quick press that button

566
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,720
again and then you're back in daytime mode.

567
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,200
Speaker 2: That's very cool because I mean a lot of people

568
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,319
are I mean a lot of people are getting into

569
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:44,920
night vision. They're buying button helmets, they're buying nods. Yeah,

570
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,519
and being able to bounce back and forth easily with

571
00:30:47,599 --> 00:30:51,039
not having to scroll through all the buttons, you know,

572
00:30:51,119 --> 00:30:51,599
that's cool.

573
00:30:51,799 --> 00:30:54,759
Speaker 1: Exactly. Yeah, we just had a conversation about that this morning.

574
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:58,039
Is because I feel like historically it's kind of been like, oh,

575
00:30:58,119 --> 00:31:00,279
night vision, that's a niche thing or a professional land

576
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,799
user thing. But now you see PP has four teens

577
00:31:02,799 --> 00:31:04,720
out there for two grand, right, so it's the same

578
00:31:04,799 --> 00:31:07,960
price is buying a rifle, honestly, Right, So okay, I

579
00:31:07,960 --> 00:31:10,319
got I already got three or four rifles in the

580
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:14,240
same next purchase is going to be like a monocular, right,

581
00:31:14,319 --> 00:31:16,480
doesn't have to be nods or anything like that, and

582
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:20,119
you got that capability, So yeah, it's becoming a lot

583
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,880
more attainable I think for the average shooter.

584
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, Yeah, So this thing is is is launching

585
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:31,799
now as we as we as we release this episode

586
00:31:31,799 --> 00:31:34,920
will be launching now. Is it going to be like

587
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,119
out in the wild or is it is it like

588
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:38,920
launching and then they have to wait a little bit

589
00:31:39,039 --> 00:31:39,200
or what?

590
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:42,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, just a couple of weeks. We're we're lagging a

591
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,200
couple of weeks there, but about two or three weeks

592
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,240
after launch, you we'll see them in the stores. So

593
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:47,079
very cool.

594
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, So I got a couple more like

595
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:54,720
just loophole dy questions for you yeah, you've been there

596
00:31:54,759 --> 00:31:59,400
for a while. What loopholed product? Would you bring back?

597
00:31:59,519 --> 00:32:01,759
One that is cool? But it went away?

598
00:32:01,799 --> 00:32:05,240
Speaker 1: Man? Well, being the red dot guy now in the

599
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:09,759
car being guy, I want I would like to see

600
00:32:09,759 --> 00:32:13,839
the hammer come back, which I uh, for those of

601
00:32:13,839 --> 00:32:17,119
you don't know, it was a cog esque type site,

602
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,920
so it's a it was four power fixed prismatic with

603
00:32:21,119 --> 00:32:24,680
a delta point on top, red dot on top. I

604
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,839
remember what was that movie extraction? Uh, Extraction came out

605
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:31,400
on Netflix and the guy had a hammer on it

606
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:33,960
and people were blowing up my inbox and like, oh

607
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,039
did you guys bring it back? Is there a new one?

608
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:37,079
Like where can I get?

609
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:41,920
Speaker 2: Like yeah, that's terrible, Like you want to call the armor, like, hey, man,

610
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,599
stop putting discontinued products on cool guns in cool movie.

611
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 1: Yeah right now it is h I would like to

612
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,039
see that one come back. I might. I might change

613
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:55,440
it to a fixed six power instead of four power

614
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,400
because I think when I think about like h lp

615
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,720
v o s right, how most people use lp v ohs.

616
00:33:01,839 --> 00:33:03,960
A lot of people stick them on six power and

617
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,920
then put red dot off top and where like okay,

618
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,559
you can do that same thing with a prismatic, and

619
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:16,079
then a prism site is actually optically it's a it's

620
00:33:16,079 --> 00:33:19,480
a clearer, cleaner image than a magnified skill, So you

621
00:33:19,599 --> 00:33:23,319
gotta have better resolution and clarity at that six power.

622
00:33:23,599 --> 00:33:25,039
It's an interesting concept to.

623
00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:28,160
Speaker 2: Me, Dude, I like that idea though. I like what

624
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:32,920
you're saying, and I remember the hammer I've I shot that. Yeah,

625
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,720
six power with Now you have a lot of different

626
00:33:36,079 --> 00:33:39,039
variety of capabilities, not as over much we were rapping,

627
00:33:39,359 --> 00:33:42,440
Which brings me to my next question, because you guys

628
00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:46,079
make all of it. If someone's like red dot or

629
00:33:46,279 --> 00:33:50,480
lp v O, how do I choose pros and cons?

630
00:33:51,039 --> 00:33:54,880
I mean, there's there's, there's there's it's you can't go wrong,

631
00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:57,079
I feel like, but it just depends.

632
00:33:56,759 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: Right, It absolutely depends and depends on what you're gonna

633
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,799
put it on and then what your application is. I mean,

634
00:34:02,839 --> 00:34:07,240
like I mentioned the red dot for close up CBB,

635
00:34:07,720 --> 00:34:10,719
whatever you want to call it is so good because

636
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,400
you don't have eye release and you don't have an eyebox,

637
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,760
So that means I don't need perfect alignments. I don't

638
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:18,719
need to get my head in the perfect place on

639
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:22,840
the gun, and I can take shots from unconventional positions

640
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:24,679
and do a lot of things, and then you you

641
00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,280
couple that with a magnifier and now you've just you know,

642
00:34:28,199 --> 00:34:31,239
you have a pretty powerful platform there. But you know,

643
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:34,440
especially I, you know, personally, I have jumped on the

644
00:34:34,480 --> 00:34:37,119
six arc bandwagon. I love the performance of that round

645
00:34:37,119 --> 00:34:39,679
out of a small frame. Ar I'm gonna run in

646
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,519
an lpvo or in our case, you know, we have

647
00:34:42,599 --> 00:34:44,880
our mark five to two to ten. I'm gonna run

648
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:46,960
that with a twelve o'clock red dot up top. Yeah,

649
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,639
I can still do some close up work with the

650
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,280
red dot. I don't have as good of a cheek weld,

651
00:34:51,559 --> 00:34:54,159
you know, it's more of a chin weld type situation.

652
00:34:54,639 --> 00:34:57,840
But then I have that magnif magnification with the with

653
00:34:58,119 --> 00:35:00,960
the two to ten for the engagements out to a

654
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,679
thousand yards. So man, I for me, it's just it's

655
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:06,360
hard to be And I know I'm the red dot

656
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:08,679
to guys, so you know, I'm supposed to say red

657
00:35:08,679 --> 00:35:11,840
dot CEO for close up stuff, but I just that

658
00:35:12,079 --> 00:35:14,119
that's my choice that I go to rather than a

659
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:16,159
one to six or one to eight or something like that.

660
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's not actually a right answer to this

661
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,480
I mean, you're you know, the red dot is so

662
00:35:21,599 --> 00:35:25,760
simple and so easy and fast and effective, you know,

663
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,440
like you said earlier, zero to three hundred yards or whatever,

664
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,719
just kind of like no brain or stuff. It is

665
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,719
funny though, because you kind of mentioned it. We talk

666
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:38,679
about LPVO, which stands for low power very well optic.

667
00:35:39,159 --> 00:35:41,199
But then we have this like does it have to

668
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,039
go to one to be an LPVO in like if

669
00:35:45,039 --> 00:35:47,880
a two to ten I mean ten power is not

670
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:51,840
considered low power in my book, It's just like I

671
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,119
feel like shooters are having their cake and eating it too,

672
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,760
with steak and some chocolate sauce and anything they damn want.

673
00:35:58,800 --> 00:35:59,360
These days.

674
00:36:00,199 --> 00:36:02,639
Speaker 1: We're we're, I mean, we are very spoiled that we

675
00:36:02,679 --> 00:36:04,519
live in the age that we do with the options

676
00:36:04,559 --> 00:36:06,599
that we do, right, And then that's uh. And then

677
00:36:06,599 --> 00:36:09,000
you've heard the term mp v O. I'm sure like

678
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,119
medium powered variable optics. So that popped up, you know,

679
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:15,280
with the with the two to ten and optics like that.

680
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:19,320
So man, there's but you know it's great for me

681
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,360
in personally. I'm a gearhead. I like gear. I like

682
00:36:23,119 --> 00:36:25,559
gear I get it. Why guys, do you know? So

683
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,119
it's a variety of the spice wife, right, and you could. Yeah,

684
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:31,800
you get bored with one thing, you can switch it

685
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:33,480
out and you can run the other thing. Get proficial

686
00:36:33,480 --> 00:36:33,679
with that.

687
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 2: So that's right when people do that. You know, if

688
00:36:36,480 --> 00:36:39,039
you could only have one scope or only one gun

689
00:36:39,199 --> 00:36:41,880
or only one whatever, I like, just stop right there.

690
00:36:42,199 --> 00:36:45,760
We don't live in the world of only okay, So yeah,

691
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,559
I don't want to live in that world.

692
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:49,880
Speaker 1: Right, right, yeah, what's your end of the world gun? Right?

693
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:51,760
If you have to choose one and go that? What what?

694
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:53,280
What is it? What optic is of? Yeah?

695
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:57,559
Speaker 2: So yeah, well Nick, thanks man the the l C

696
00:36:58,039 --> 00:36:59,199
say it again, l C.

697
00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: O pro lco pro yes co pro.

698
00:37:02,599 --> 00:37:06,199
Speaker 2: Out Now very cool. I love a carbing. Optic just

699
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:10,079
does a lot of things. Well, and we'll have you

700
00:37:10,119 --> 00:37:12,159
back on. We'll talk more about red dots and what

701
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:12,960
loop pulls up to.

702
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,840
Speaker 1: We might have some more stuff coming down the fight

703
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:17,880
here in the future, so I'm sure we'll have opportunities

704
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:18,639
to talking about it.

705
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 2: Awesome, all right, thanks for being on and thanks for listening,

706
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,440
Thanks for watching. We'll see you guys all next time

707
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:25,679
on gun Dog Nation.