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Speaker 1: Good evening, and welcome everyone to another edition of Unknown
Origins Radio where once again we talk about everything, and
I do mean everything having to do with the strange
and paranormal. I'm your host, Mark Johnson, and unfortunately our
regular co hosts, Lauren de Pinto and Carrie an Versace
are not able to be with us tonight. It's Carrie
Anne's birthday, so we want to wish her a happy
twenty ninth birthday. Well you know she wants it to
be twenty ninth, but you know, we'll just say twenty
ninth birthday and hope she's out doing something fun tonight.
And Lauren is at an event with her husband tonight,
so hopefully she's you know, having a good time as well.
I heard she might be tripping the light fantastic. That's
always a good thing. So that means you're stuck with me.
Actually you're not only just stuck with me. Tonight, we
have a guest co host who's very kind enough to
come on and join us tonight night, a good friend
of ours. His name is Chris Nicoletti from Scream Paranormal.
How are you tonight, Chris, good Mark, how you doing
doing excellent? I'm really glad that you could come on
and join me tonight and hopefully we have some fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm excited about this because the topics we're
gonna go over, Wow, all the reports and everything.
Speaker 5: I'm excited about this one. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Now, I just want you can tell everybody a bit
about Screen Paranormal and your group.
Speaker 4: Sure, we've been together after about I guess on and
off like five six years now.
Speaker 5: We do a lot of you know, residential.
Speaker 4: Investigations, business investigations as well. We do a lot of
events where we educate the public into a little bit
more into you know, bringing people into the paranormal. How
to conductor, you know, conduct a proper ghost hunts, how
to use equipment, kind of get people a springboard into,
you know, into ghost hunting and stuff along those lines.
I'm also into, you know a little bit of you
have philology stuff. You know, I've been to you know,
I have a friend of mine deep into it, and uh,
you know so I kind of I touched face on
it a little bit.
Speaker 5: So oh that's it.
Speaker 1: And I mean we got to hang out with you
at a Phenomenology and Gettysburg this last March. And I
remember there was one night where you were walking down
the hallway to the tavern at the bar and you
have an experience. It was wondering if you could talk
tell us about Oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. When I
was walking down that one long hallway and I ended
up seeing a shadow just cross over right at the
end of the hallway and the only one that saw it.
Another person on my team saw it too, and I go,
I look at her, and I go, did you did
you just see what I just saw, and she goes
I didn't want to say anything because I didn't I
thought it was a trick of you know, the light
or something.
Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I saw it too.
Speaker 4: It was a shadow that went from right to left,
right around the corner.
Speaker 1: Now, I remember I was standing there when you saw
it and you came around. You have this look of
shock on your face. I believe it, like you quite
literally saw a ghost exactly.
Speaker 4: And the thing is, I wasn't even expecting it, I
mean because then then I talked to somebody, I think
it was like later on, uh, that weekend, and I
was like, you know, I was asking, do you guys
ever have any weird stuff that happens around here? And
she's like, yeah, this place is haunted. Yes, you know,
there's soldiers that crossed through here all the time. And
it's right where the battles took place, right I think,
was it, uh Pickets Charge. Isn't that where right around
that that that road there, I think it's Eisenhower Road
or whatever it is.
Speaker 5: It all started around right around that area.
Speaker 1: You know, the Eisenhower Hotel is on the southern end
of the battlefield. Pickets Tree which was about two miles
farther north. We were still on the Confederate side. There
was fighting close down to that end. That was about
the tail end of the of the battlefield.
Speaker 4: Okay, right, okay, well from what like I said, what
they told me was, you know, they constantly see things
happening around there. You know, I was not specking it
at all, you know, and what I had seen, and
that great thing about it was having a team member
with me to see it, and we booked at each
other like, you know, wow, okay, this is cool. You know,
we weren't expecting it, but it was.
Speaker 5: It was nice.
Speaker 4: It was a nice a little uh edit feature to
the weekend if Feminology one of four.
Speaker 5: Dana and Chris do an amazing job every every year.
Speaker 1: So well, we also just got the official announcement, so
hopefully I'm going to be one of the first radio
shows talking about it is they've just announced. Dana Wingard
of Nepie has just announced that Phenomenology one five is
a go. So we're shooting for the third weekend in March.
Once again, I believe it's gonna be at Getty's Burn.
For any of you who did not get a chance
to go this last year, you have to go to
this event.
Speaker 5: It's way much fun.
Speaker 1: The most phenomenal you know, phenomenology, phenomenal gifts. I use
it a lot when I talk about phenomenalogy, but so
many guests. I'm really excited to who they have lined
up this here and I actually our guest tonight, David
Webb comes on. I think he should definitely be a
guest the coming year because I think when people what
we're going to talk about tonight, we're going to realize
how much fun we're gonna.
Speaker 5: Have with this. So so definitely looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: Just also wanted before we get into our show tonight,
I wanted to make a couple of reminders for all everybody,
especially with Global Radio Alliance, if you know getting used
to our show, if you ever missed a show.
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Speaker 1: And we also have a just just touching base on
some of our upcoming shows. You know, we're already getting
into the summer. This coming weekend is Memorial Day weekend,
the official kickoff of the summer, and we are already booked,
it seems halfway through the summer with upcoming shows. We've
got some fantastic guests coming up for us. We have
Corvis Nocturnum coming on to talk about all things having
to do with the dark and strange and unusual. We've
had Corvus on before. He's a fantastic guest. Have you
ever heard of heard Corvus speak?
Speaker 5: I know not, no, not yet. No.
Speaker 1: He has several great books out. He's got a new
book out about haunted places around the country. His book
I Lucifer talking about Satan. You know, he is a Satanist,
but not a devil worshiper, and they get into that
in the show. It's it's really fascinating. I recommend you
tuning in. We're also going to have Scottie Roberts on
in the next couple of weeks talking about the rise
and fall of the nepheline. We have Ben Hansen from
sci Fi's Factor Faked Paranormal Files.
Speaker 5: You said Ben ben Hansen is Nansen Today's I joke.
I kid, I kid. I love that guy. He's great.
Speaker 1: He's a riot so oh and he is so tall,
you know, it's like, I'm not a small guy, but
I'm sitting there looking up and going down. I just
stole just to look him in the eye. And we're
also going to have Katrina Whitman from Paranormal State is
going to be on too. So that's just some of
the many guests that we're going to be having coming
up soon. So you definitely need to be tuning in
every single week. Don't miss an episode because you're going
to miss out on some great stuff.
Speaker 5: I actually I think I'm Trina one. I think it
was at Fort Mifflin. That was God.
Speaker 4: When was that probably I think it was last summer
or something like that. And she was great. She made
the best duck face I've ever seen. So next next
to Chris Fleming. Chris Fleming. Still he beats it, you know.
Speaker 5: Okay, well I have to see Chris Flemings duck fase.
Oh yeah, I gots have it on my blog.
Speaker 4: You can always go and check it out Scream Paranormal
and just take a look at it.
Speaker 5: And yeah, he's up there, he's making the best duck face.
Speaker 4: I don't know if he actually approved of that photo,
but I had to put it up anyways.
Speaker 1: Well, with Katrina, I was disappointed because, you know, a
couple of years ago and I filled people this story before,
we did an episode of Paranormal State and she was
the one cast member. Her and Chip Coffee were not
there for that. So I was really disappointed because I
was looking forward to meeting Katrina and so we had
and instead of Chip, they had Michelle Belange instead.
Speaker 5: So I was a little disappointed. I really wanted to
meet Katrina. But at least, hey, we get to talk
to her this time. So yes, yes, she's a great,
great person. Love her.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just want to put we had a couple
of strange things happening in the news this week. First
of all, the yesterday we had the full solar eclipse
of the Sun that mainly affected the West coast, and
I must say, I am bitterly disappointed to wake up
this morning and find that the zombie apocalypse did not happen.
Speaker 5: I know you were going to say that, I'm I'm crushed.
Speaker 1: I was just I had my I had my rifle,
I had you know, several boxes.
Speaker 5: Of shells, visions, all everything ready to go. I was
ready to go.
Speaker 1: I wanted to blast something, and it didn't happen. What
the F was up with that?
Speaker 5: You know?
Speaker 1: It just these Miyans are continuing to disappoint me. You
know now they're telling us twenty twelve is not going
to happen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I read about that as well.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, And you know what, until we hit that day,
I mean, who knows, you know, right, you know, everybody's
got different opinions on what's really going to happen, the Awakening,
you know, the this so so many different things.
Speaker 5: I mean, really, you could do a whole radio show
on that, you know, we could we could we.
Speaker 1: Oh, we did a twenty twelve prediction show the first
of the year, and we'll probably do another one as
we get closer in December.
Speaker 5: Before the December twenty first date. You know, we definitely
want to touch on that again.
Speaker 1: Because you know, if we're here the day after December
twenty second, you know it there's people's got some spain
in the duel.
Speaker 5: So, but we also had a couple other things happening.
Speaker 1: Now, there was last Monday, a week ago today, there
was this UFO incident at Denver Airport.
Speaker 5: Did you hear about that? There was a near miss
with a private jet.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, No, I did hear about that one. Yes,
And they couldn't identify it on the radar. It wouldn't
even show up on the radar, but the pilot called
it in. Yes, I remember that, go on, Yeah, yeah, and.
Speaker 1: They and this has caught a lot of buzz going
around our friends Stany Lisa Romanek. Of course we were
on top of this and we're commenting on this because
they live in the Denver area. Of course they've had
a lot of their experiences with UFOs too, so very
very strange, you know, buzzing UFOs buzzing jets of Denver Airport.
Of course, if you know, that picks my interest because
for other reasons too, because I don't know, if you
ever uh watch.
Speaker 5: A Jesse Ventura's show Conspiracy.
Speaker 4: You're talking about the underground tunnels at the airport. Yes,
underground facility. Yes, I keep up on that quite a bit.
FEMA camps, everything, the whole bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm fascinated with all that and just
wonder what the heck they're doing out for. So when
the UFO start buzzing the airport makes me think maybe
they know something we don't.
Speaker 4: Well maybe you know, maybe they're checking out the planet.
Maybe maybe they're sick and tired of us destroying it.
There's so many different theories on that as well. I mean,
what is the one theory? Are the reptilians? You know,
the whole government's made out of reptilians and they're controlling
everybody and we're just all we are?
Speaker 5: Is like cattle to that you now, it reminds me
of my ex girlfriends. Oh god, well, you know here's
what we're gonna be getting a phone call later or too, right.
Speaker 1: Nah, you know they already think I'm the Antichrist anyway.
Speaker 6: Soh so, anyway, we're gonna get ready here, we're gonna
take a quick break, and when we come back, we're
gonna talk with our guests tonight, David Weatherley about black
eyed kids.
Speaker 1: So don't go away. We'll be right back just after
these messages.
Speaker 5: And we're back the Unknown Origins Radio.
Speaker 1: I'm Mark Johnson on with Chris Nicoletti, our guest co
host for tonight. Now, before we get into introducing our guest,
I have a story to.
Speaker 5: Tell you, let me start off by talking about Paul. Now.
Speaker 1: There was a knock on Paul's front door which pulled
him from work. He stood from the desk in his
home office to a small North Dakota town and walked downstairs.
He didn't find what he expected. On that April twenty
eleven day, I found a young boy who appeared to
be about sixteen or seventeen standing on my front porch,
Paul said. The then teenager wore almost threadbare corduroy pants
and dress shirt that hung off his body. Black, unkempt
hair hung lifelessly around his face. He asked me about
a cherry, a Chevy cracker that I had seen in
my front of my garage with a for sale sign
of Paul said, he spoke very clearly and slowly, in
a rather monotone voice. It was like he was trying
to force his words to make a point to me.
He never said anything threatening. He only asked me to
tell him about the vehicle. That there was something odd
about the boy that set all on edge. I felt
uneasy from the get go, but proceeded to tell give
him details about the Chevy, Paul said. Talking about the vehicle,
Paul tried to figure out why the boy's presence set
his nerves a fire. He discovered why I noticed this black.
His eyes were jet black. They had no pupils or irises.
I was taken back immediately. At that moment, Paul saw
the team wasn't alone. There was a second youth there
with Tim, standing at the end of the walk that
leads to the front.
Speaker 5: Porch to the front of the garage. Paul said.
Speaker 1: The girls took fifteen to twenty feet from him. She
looked about the same age, maybe younger. She had blond
hair that also looked unkempt, and was wearing an old,
faded dress. The girl didn't speak, and she never took
a step closer. She just stood the end of the smiling.
I couldn't tell her eyes were the same as the boys,
but looking back, it wouldn't have surprised me if they were.
Paul said, he just kept talking about the vehicle, on alert,
ready for any sub movement from either team. After I
finished the boy of the suv, he asked me if
I could take him for a ride in it. Paul said, again,
I felt very uneasy and said that I was busy.
The boy again asked if I could just take him
for a ride so he could see how it worked. Again,
I'd find the boy kept asking for a ride along
with Paul. During that time. I never once mentioned the
price of the vehicle, and he never asked about if,
Paul said, he only continued to ask that I'd give
him a ride in the Chevy so he could see
how it worked. Those were his exact words. After a
few minutes of fleeting, Paul said he had to leave.
I told him I was very busy and needed to go,
and then I slammed the door shut and locked it.
He said, it wasn't until I went into the kitchen
to get myself a drink that I realized how scared
I was. Paul's hands shook so badly he put an
open a can of soda. After a few minutes, he
began to relax, took a drink and called his wife.
I told her what happened, he said. While I was
on the phone, I looked outside to see if the
boy and his girlfriend were still there over the suv,
but they were going. Paul eventually asked his neighbors if
they had seen the tas, but none of them had,
nor had they seen them in the area before, and
Paul hoped it stayed that.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 1: That is just one of the many black Eyed kids'
stories that have been making the rounds on the internet,
and is just this new phenomenon. It's not so much
a new phenomenon. I think it's been around for a
long time, but it's just now hitting the public consciousness.
So tonight's guest is an author, paranormal investigator, crypto zoologist,
and you a phiologist. And he's the founder of Two
Crows Paranormal and has spent over thirty five years experiencing
exploring the weird and unexplained. Now his new book, Black
Eyed Children covers one of the creepiest phenomenon I've ever
heard of, and as a subject I've been dying to
talk about for a long time. So please welcome David
Weatherley to the program.
Speaker 2: How are you tonight, David, I'm good, March Chris, thanks
for having me on.
Speaker 1: Now I do have to ask you, David that And
in research to bio, I came across a story on
the internet and I have to ask as if, as
if the same David Weatherley. I came across an article
about a David Weatherley trapped in the wilderness and having
to play angry birds until uh hell.
Speaker 5: Me very strange.
Speaker 1: It was a funny story a gentleman who was trapped
in the woods and overnight and he had nothing to do,
so he played angry birds until he could, uh.
Speaker 5: Do make sense?
Speaker 2: Right? I don't think I've heard that one, but I
guess you gotta do something to pass the time, right.
Speaker 4: Yes, And when your cell phone dies or whatever you're
playing it on, you can always play with the real
angry birds that are out there.
Speaker 7: Right, yeah, throwing around?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'd built a fire and looks like
a fire of sasquatch if I was in that situation.
Speaker 5: Well, it.
Speaker 1: This story that I just told is one of many
that have been starting to now come out of the woodwork.
I first heard of this phenomenon last year. I give
credit to Dave Schrader on Darkness Radio. He was the
first time, first person who really brought this subject up
that I had ever heard about it. And it's just
been making the rounds. And you've written your book called
Black Eyed Children about this phenomenon. So I was wondering
if you could, if you talk about do you know
how this phenomenon got started or how far back it
really goes.
Speaker 2: Well, that's a compound question. I'll give you two answers.
First of all, the modern version of this phenomena, which
we're calling black eyed children or black eyed kids, you'll
often see on the internet also a b E case,
which is a short for black eyed kids. That particular
term started around the late nineties with a journalist named
Brian Bethel. What the Internet was just becoming popular in
chat rooms and forums were sort of in their infancy
and taken off, and this gentleman, Brian Bethel, posted a
story on one of those about an encounter he had
with two teenage boys in a parking lot and these
boys both had solid black guys. They presented him with
a series of strange questions. They you know, they wanted
to see a movie, and they claim they had forgotten
their money and they wanted to ride, you know, back
to their house. And of course he's, you know, clear
enough minded to be looking around. He notices on the
marquis the movies you know, already more than half over,
and none of the things are quite adding up. And
he has the typical feed response that we see with
these situations, refuses to let the boys in the vehicle
and drives away. So he posted this story and it
really caught people's attention. The response was that a number
of other stories similar to this were posted, and years
since then it's kind of grown on the internet. Now.
At that time, it's you know, there were some indications
that this could be an urban legend that was sprouting
up due to the internet. You know, some of the
stories were a friend of a friend, and a lot
of very mysterious but also very generic accounts showed up.
It was really hard to distinguish any solid information about
the phenomena. But it really resonated with people, and it
really it struck an miror for some reason. So the
stories have continued to come out, especially over the last
several years. There's just more and moral attention it's being
paid to the phenomena. And you mentioned Dave Trader. I've
been on the show a few times, and it's something
that you know, whenever he does a shot. I've been
on there a couple of times talking about the Black
Guy kids, and there's always just a huge response from
his listeners. People are disturbed and intrigued about the phenomen
all at the same time, more and more reports keep
coming to White Now the second part of your question,
what I have found during the course of research in
my book was that the phenomena is actually much much older.
It's just that in a lot of the older stories
you have to sort of root around and find similarities
because the focus a lot of the times was not
just on the eyes. And I think that's what some
of the confusion is is these black eyed beans. Black
eyed beans you can find in cultures all over the world,
and you know, a lot of different types of manifestations.
So I actually believe this is a very very old phenomena.
It's just that we're seeing a very modern version of
it now.
Speaker 1: So the reports that we've been doing coming all across
the country, have you gotten reports that coming from other
parts of the world as well?
Speaker 5: Modern reports?
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, uh as widespread those England to Australia, Canada,
South Africa, the Middle East. It's it seems to be
a worldwide phenomena that is slowly increasing at this point.
Speaker 1: Now, what do you in the research that you've done
on this, I mean, honestly, what do you what do
you make of this? Does it seem like it's a
paranormal phenomenon the spiritual ghost? I mean, I mean, what
is your take on what what people are experiencing?
Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely paranormal, that's you know, to some degree.
It's uh, it's a little bit of a mystery still
because you know, one of the things about this phenomena
is that these kids, for lack of a better word,
these childrens tare traits with a lot of different paranormal manifestations,
and you know, the debate is still kind of going
on as to exactly what they are. May be, there
may be several things that explain them. A lot of
people very firmly believe that they are alien hybrids and Indeed,
there are some things about the phenomena that would make
them appear to be very similar to reports of hybrid children,
but you know, they're equally They are just as many
people that feel that the kids are some kind of
demonic entity or undead entity. And yet again there are
things that correlate between those two possibilities. You know, for instance,
these kids they never they never intrude in the sense
that they never barage into someone's house or car or
hotel room, whatever it is they show up, but they
always try to convince the person to let them in.
Now God hearkens back to you know, classical vampire or
undead lore, and that you know, they can't until they're
invited over the threshold. So it's very That's one of
the things that I find most intriguing about this phenomenon
is that it just shafs so many things in common
with other areas of the paranormal.
Speaker 1: I was going to comment on that that, Yeah, the
one thing that intrigues me about this phenomenon is it's
always these these kids asking to either come into a
house or approaching somebody wanting a ride, wanting that asking
permission for that personal contact to either enter their their
sanctity of their home, or in a private like in
the calv of a car.
Speaker 5: They want in. They're always looking for a way in.
Speaker 1: And their response is that it's almost the robotic in
the term that they're just monotone asking the question, not
really being rude, but just being persistent.
Speaker 5: I'd like to add on that a little bit more too.
Speaker 4: One of the things I read about with a lot
of the stories that you know I've touched with on
the you know, the bks is the fact that they
get irate when you turn them away, and the emotional
response that the people who were in contact with these
entities or whatever they are, you know, they they get
the feeling even before they even realize half.
Speaker 5: The time that the you know, then they get their complexion.
Speaker 4: There might be you know, you know, in the dark
bit in the shadow, and they can't really make out
who their facial expressions or their black eyes or whatever.
They get just this feeling of doom. They just don't
want them around. They get uncomfortable. It was one story
was ringing about the one of the marine right who
was stationed I think it was in North Carolina or
whatever it was, and he answered the door and.
Speaker 5: Here was just two kids.
Speaker 4: They came to his door and he just got this
foreboding feeling. He didn't even want them anywhere near. He
had to close. He slammed the door in their face,
is what he did.
Speaker 5: And it's just.
Speaker 4: Amazing the whole, the whole feeling, the vibe you get
from them, and like they they pressure you to come in,
they want to come in. They get mad at you
if they you know, they don't like barge in, but
they get mad at you and like, you have to
let me in kind of is their response, you know
from the stories that I've read.
Speaker 1: So.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely get more insistent, you know they're there.
I haven't really encountered any stories where they where the
kids have become overly emotional, but they certainly produce an
incredible level of emotional reaction from the victims for off
a better word, And it almost seems as though one
of the goals of these children is actually to produce
that fear response.
Speaker 5: M Now, what do you think.
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a case where somebody has
actually let these beings in.
Speaker 5: I have.
Speaker 2: I have a handful of those, and there's one particular
case that is in The book takes up a full
chapter and it details what happened when a child was
invited in. So the brief version of this story is
that a woman was driving home from work. She had
her ten year old in the back of the suv
with her. She was in a small area and she
pulled into a convenience store, jumped out, ran in to
get her milk or bread or whatever, and she let
her child in the back. Done this countless times on
the way home from work. And when she comes back,
gets back in the suv, reaches down to turn the key,
and just out of habit less up in the roar
view mirror and staring back at her a pair of
black eyes, and she has the immediate fear response. She
jumps out of the suv. There's a black eyed boy
who is in the back seat. He's in the middle
of the back seat, sitting right next to her son.
She jerks her son out of the suv and runs
back into the store and has it unfolded. The clerk,
of course, thought something was wrong. She's kind of stuttering
and stammering that somebody's in her car, and he rushes
out decide to see what's happening, thinking, God, is this
a robbery or you know what's happening? Not a sign
of anyone in the suv is sitting there at talking
while about the door has opened, and she's kind of
an emotional mess because she's feeling all of this incredible
level of fear. She ends up calling her husband, who
comes up to try to set her down there. She
hasn't told me what's happened at this point, but he
agrees to take her suv and drive it home and
let her drive his vehicle. A couple of miles away.
He gets in a wreck and tells the suv at
the hospital the child. Their child became ill in the
following day, and when they took him to the doctors,
the doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with this boy.
And part of the reason they couldn't determine what was
wrong with him was because his symptoms were rotated through
a whole vath range of different things. They thought this
boy had the food, then they thought they had appendicitis,
and then he broke out, they thought he had the measles.
It was just a crazy, ever changing number of symptoms.
To this point was very ill, and this went off
for several weeks. Now her husband was okay. He ended
up with just some minor injuries and they thought he
had a concussion at first, so they kept him for observation.
But has anything unfolded over the next couple of days.
You know, the wife she talked to her son and
she said, try to stay calm about it, And she said,
who was that boy? Do you know him from school?
And the response was no, mommy, I don't know him. Well,
you know, why was he in our car? Well? He
he asked me to invite him in because you know,
I thought we could get to my house and play. So,
you know, here we have this is this is a
rare case actually, where one of these blackcat children has
presented themselves to another child. And in this case, the
child in question really didn't see anything unusual. He was
just seeing a potential playmate. He thought it was innocent,
and in that innocence, he invited the boy into the car.
The result, obviously, was not very good for the family.
His mother in particular, is convinced that it was only
through you know, a lot of prayer and positive energy
focused on that boy that he was able to finally
get well and heal and for just pay. He's fine,
but definitely lasting effects on the family from that that
fair strange encounter.
Speaker 5: Well, can I ask you one quick question, David entrepreneur.
Speaker 4: I find this really interesting, this whole concept of the
B case and the possibility of being involved with extraterrestrials
and you know, and whatnot. Have you ever heard of
any cases where somebody's encounter to B B E K right,
and then afterward the confrontation they started reporting abductions or
or sightings or any any kind of that, you know.
Speaker 5: Nature.
Speaker 2: Now, at this point I have maintained contact with a
lot of the people whose accounts are detailed in the book,
and you know, that's one of the things I'm sort
of monitoring and really interested in the follow up effects. Now,
I will tell you this a couple of things. First
of all, most of these people that I have interviewed,
the greater portion of them, had no interest in the
paranormal when these accounts, when these encounters occur. Other side
of this is that these people, really they display all
the symptoms of a trauma victim. I mean, we're talking
about a lot of these people. Have a great difficulty
in sleeping, a lot of them refuse to ever go
back to the location where the encounter occurred. They you know,
they have a lot if some of the people end
up feeling like they're hated by these kids in that
you know, they'll lake up in the middle of the
night in a sweat and believing that they've heard a
knock at the door or on their bedroom window, and
firmly believing that those kids have come back. Some people,
you know, are very hesitant. There are a good number
of stories that I couldn't even include in the book
because while the people want to talk about them and
try to understand what they've encountered, they simply don't want
their names out there. They don't want to be associated
with these kids because they're afraid.
Speaker 5: They're going to come back right right makes sense so very.
Speaker 2: Much as like dealing with the trauma picked them very
often in these situations.
Speaker 1: Now, I did hear one story about someone who let
them into his house and they were asking these two
young boys were asking him to use the phone to
call to get a ride home, and so he let
them in even though he felt something was strange, but
he almost felt compelled to let them in. It's almost
as if being under hypnosis. And when he goes to
show them the telephone, he turns around and the boy
is just standing in the hallway staring at him and says,
we've come to collect you. And you know, if I
would see if I would hear that and see these
black guys, I'd probably do what this gentleman did.
Speaker 5: He said, he ran out the back door.
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, there's a a whole lot of stories about
people actually letting them in. As I said before, I
have maybe a handful of them. I chose to include
the one in the book because I was able to
interview these people on a number of occasions and you know,
get as verify as many of the details as I could,
as far as the you know, the boy having a
medical condition and these things I can't out, you know,
the friend of our friends stories are pretty fascinating, but uh,
unless I can actually talk to the person, I usually
don't address those too much, you know, just because it's
this whole thing. There's such a laura around these black
eyed children that it's growing more and more every year,
and you know, like we lets stay it. There's something
that people are just incredible intrigued by, you know, intrigued
and disturbed, though at the same time.
Speaker 1: No right with you mentioned that there are stories that
go back in history.
Speaker 5: How far back are we talking? Are we talking you.
Speaker 1: Know, decades, hundreds of years, even thousands of years?
Speaker 2: Possibly? I mean right now. Since the books come out,
I've developed a couple of avenues of research into the
topic that relate to some Native American tribal law that
seems to indicate, you know, possibly some black eyed beings.
There are other accounts. You know, there's one of the
book that's pretty fascinating from nineteen fifty and I often
it was one of the early ones. I discovered it,
and I was very fascinated by it, just because you know,
at the time, the skeptics were still jumping up and
down that this was all fabricated, that it was a
modern fabrication and influenced by television or even today, you know,
some people will still say, well, you know, call of
the shows like True Blood and all the vampire movies
and shows, and look at pict black eyes, and you
know that even in the nineties the X Files at
an alien hybrid thing that was depicted with black eyes.
So I really set out to find some things that
were pre internet and even pre television, and I uncovered
one from nineteen fifty about a young man living in
a rural area, farming community who encountered a child with
black eyes. And it was a very creepy account. He was,
this young man was his name was Harold. He was
walking home and he reached the fence line that ran
to his family's home and he saw this young boy
leaning on the fence and he didn't recognize him right off,
which was unusual because you know, it's a tight knit
community they all knew each other. But Harold was a
pretty good natured guy. He just started talking to this kid,
and in the course of the conversation, the boy's not
saying anything, and Hal says, hey, are you okay? And
this boy, you know, looks at him and says, I
want to go to your house. House, you'd take me
up to your house, and either this uh, this young
man just had a serve over this again, like nothing
he'd ever felt before. And you know, he's realizing that something,
something really creepy is going on. As he's standing there,
he's thinking, just thinking about running up the guy to
his house, and in what appears to be you know,
a feed of mind reading. Maybe this boy was just
reading Harold's body language, but he quickly responds, Harold hasn't
said anything, But the boy quickly says, now, don't you
run away from me. You're gonna walk me up to
your house. And you know, given the course of this,
Herald has realized that this boy has solid black guys,
and combined with the these creepy statements, that's enough to
set him running and setting a record up to his house.
Speaker 5: And uh.
Speaker 2: One of the newt of things that has shut up
in a few accounts of black got children is that
as Harold is running, he is what he described as
the screech of a bobcat behind him coming from this boy,
and Bob Cavy's a pretty strange noise, is and it's
something that you know, he's familiar with living in a
rural area. But he makes it up to his house
and he tells his parents what happened. He was fortunate
in the fact that as a young man he really
wasn't very prone to making enough stories. We're telling her life,
so his parents believed them. Now, his father promptly took
off with a shotgun to see, you know what the
trouble was and of course couldn't find anything but Hale's mother.
Her response was that Harold met the devil. Now, you know,
this is a simple farming community, and they were you know,
they were a religious and she took him down to
the rocal clergy to get him blessed. And that's how
the story was always told, was that hal didn't met
the devil. The eyes were on the focus, even though
they were a component of the experience. So, you know,
those are the contacts we had to look for when
we start look in a historical account, is that you
take the focus away from the eyes and you look
to some of the other creepy aspects to these encounters.
That's when you find that, you know, there really are
over accounts. Now.
Speaker 1: I had also heard another account. Dave Schrader had mentioned
this on his show about I think it was in
the nineteen fifties in South Korea. There was a girl
who she wrote in and told this story about sleeping
with her family.
Speaker 5: She was a young girl at the time. Back in
those days.
Speaker 1: They slept on matts all together in the same room,
and she woke up one night and there was her
brother standing there beckoning her to come outside and play.
And she thought, well, this is strange, and he goes,
come on, come on, let's go outside and play. She goes,
it's the middle of the night. We can't we'll get
in trouble. And he kept, he was, you know, repeatedly.
Speaker 5: Asking her to come out and play.
Speaker 1: And then she happened to look over and there's her
brother asleep right next to her. So there's this this creature,
this thing, whatever it was, was able to take on
the image of her brother, and although it still had
the black eyes and right, and.
Speaker 2: There are other accounts like that. I've tried some in China,
and of course in a lot of Asia, there's a
whole lure of the hungry ghost and a lot of
you know, some of the Asian people I interviewed about
this black eyed children phenomena, they firmly believe that these
things are a manifestation of a hungry ghost. Now that's
a essentially, in short terms, that's a restless spirit that
is sort of stuck, goes down in order to experience
and re experience its desires. It's insatiable, whether it's for
food or energy or any number of things. And they
are sometimes described or depicted as having black lives. So again,
you know, this is another case where this modern phenomena
has connections to a lot of different aspects of pirenormal.
Speaker 4: Now let me ask you a question as well with
the evidence, has anybody ever come back with anything like
physical evidence, like would you say, like photographs or audio
talking to the kids, or or they left something behind,
or fingerprints of any kind or anything anything like that.
Speaker 2: No, I've never heard of any of that. Of course,
you can go black our kids. You're going to get
millions of images, and most of them are digitally manipulated.
You know. Quite frankly with photograph weally wouldn't do much
just because it's so easily fabricated, really fabricated.
Speaker 5: Yet.
Speaker 2: Now, interesting relation to that here is that I have
had some cases on occasion where there were security cameras
present during the encounter with these kids. Fascinating is that
very often I do you have to see any security
camera footage that is authentic. There have been cases where
the I believe the account the encounter is authentic and
there was a grits in the security camera.
Speaker 4: How about how about the I expand on this a
little bit more as well, has there ever been a
situation where well, I guess we already touch based on that,
and I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry, Nana. I was
gonna say, I was gonna say multiple people, like not
just two, but three people, like maybe like groups of
four at a party or something, and somebody.
Speaker 5: Knocks on there, you know, when the.
Speaker 4: The BK's knock on their door and it's like they're
having a party, It come on in.
Speaker 5: You know, they just don't realize it.
Speaker 2: I've never seen a party. I have seen chanses where
there were multiple people who encountered in it at the
same time. I don't think I've ever heard of any
more than three.
Speaker 7: Three, three people who are looting these kids, and you know,
often it's only one of the people, or a couple
occasions have been two of the people who really directly
experienced meeting these kids.
Speaker 5: Cool.
Speaker 2: You know, security chad of thing is very odd. It's
something that's come up on a number of occasions recently.
And once again I have to bring up another paranormal phenomena.
You know, the men in black, and a lot of
times these encounters with the men in black, there is
electronic interference and that's something that also seems to happen
with these kids on occasions.
Speaker 1: Now, I had recently heard you on Whitley Strieber's show,
and he had actually mentioned that he had had his
own black eyed kids experience.
Speaker 5: Yes, so this is.
Speaker 1: Not just a local phenomenon with people, you know, just
writing in stories. I mean, I think that's one of
the concerns of the skeptics. It's just that it's more
of an legend and people are just making some stories
that sound cool sending them in. But it needs for
more credible people to be able to tell these stories.
And if there was any type of proof, I mean again,
if we had video or if we had audio or
some type of of proof to help back it up,
that would be great. But you know, that's what we
run into dealing with investigating the paranormal anyway, is not
these things don't obviously don't perform on command.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. And the other reality is if we're
we're trying to gather physical evidence, often it's you know,
to help us in our study. At least that's what
I believe. You know, I put in the field the
wrong time and a photograph or piece of video, it
is never going to convince the skeptic. It just isn't
you know. There's some amazing pieces out there and the
skeptics are come up with some reason or excuse or
you know, something to explain it.
Speaker 5: Well, what you have to take breaks.
Speaker 1: So when we come back, we're going to talk more
with David the web about the black eyed kid phenomen on.
And uh, anyone in the chest has any go extend
with Kurt, I think some up let the phone and
we'll last some ask David for you and we'll be
right back.
Speaker 5: With Unknown and Radio from the radio.
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Unknown Origin Studio where we talk
about everything stream and paranormal. I'm your host, Mark Johnson,
and with me tonight is our guest host Chris Nicoletti.
And tonight we're talking with David Weatherley about his book
Black Eyed Children. Now, David, Well, I wanted to talk
to you real quick about there have been other phenomenon
with not only just involving children. I've heard stories that
of adults too, that people have witnessed that have had
black eyes.
Speaker 5: Have you documented that in your book?
Speaker 2: That's not documented in the book For a couple of reasons.
One is therein a number of those stories out there,
there aren't as many about black eyed adults. And one
of the issues I found when pursuing the accounts, it's
often it's much easier for to do this as a prank.
You know, there are black eyed contacts that are available
that cover the entire and you know, these accounts I
should emphasize when people are encountering these children, the entire
eye is black. It's not just the pupil, it's the
pupil of the square everything. Now, there are contacts that
are available, and that's one of the arguments you'll hear
from skeptics as to why all other my gen or hoaxing.
But if the contacts they talks about three hundred dollars
for a pair of them, you know they're they're only
available from theatrical suppliers. And it's not something that I
feel like kids are going to go out and you know,
spend three hundred dollars probably other parents' money to buy
contacts to just randomly scare people they don't know. Adults.
On the other hand, you know, occasionally there's been some
cases that seemed like it was an interesting an encounter
of a black eyed adult. You'll find someone on the internet,
you know, people will see a black guy guy sitting
in the starbuts or something, and quite honestly, you know
that we're very well, maybe some guy who snigged a
pair of contacts and just wanted to kind of creep
people out. But it'll be interesting to see what happens
as this phenomena continues to develop, as we continue to
get more information about it, to see some of these
encounters with black eyed adults are are as interesting as
the woman's children.
Speaker 1: Now with this, with this phenomenon, kids, I mean kids using.
Speaker 5: You know, contact is a joke.
Speaker 1: I have trouble buying that only because knowing how teenagers
are that you know, they could try to go and
scare somebody.
Speaker 5: If they probably get happy then they start cracking up.
Speaker 1: So as far as some of them seem to take this,
I find it very difficult to believe that this is
actually being perpetrated by children doing pranks on people because
if they if it was, you know, they're opening themselves
up to the world to hurt. If they do it
to the wrong person, that person might get scared enough
BacT violently and hurt somebody.
Speaker 5: But yet so many.
Speaker 1: People have have commented about the feeling almost impelled to
follow these children and then the overwhelming feelings of dread
that comes upon them. Yeah, and I've also heard stories
people talking about this maybe being demonic in evil spirits
trying to gain access into that into their house. You
mentioned the one family that let them in and then
had all sorts of bad and negative problems in uh
that went on for years. What can people take from
this type of story? I mean, is this something that
people should really be on the look up and be
aware of.
Speaker 2: People always ask, you know, what do I do if
I encounter these kids? And my first response is don't
let them in? Because we just don't know. It's very
hard at this point to determine. There's some indication that
these kids, if they're not bringing some kind of fortune themselves,
there are some indications that they could be an omen
of difficult things happening. Been a number of cases where
someone has encountered one of these kids and afterwards has
experienced some unfortunate things in their family. You know, they've
had relevance die, you know, they've had that fortunate in
their personal lives. So it's something that is definitely we
should have a lot of caution if we encounter these
beings and you know, take whatever measures you feel like
on a personal level will help protect you.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: It's interesting that a lot of the people who encounter
these kids, they're so affected by the experience afterwards that
they're turning towards their you know, to a spiritual path,
whether it's one from childhood or a new one. They're
looking for some level of comfort, and that's where a
lot of people end up going. They go to, you know,
their version of God. Basically.
Speaker 5: Now, we have a question come in from Bill in
that room. Uh.
Speaker 1: He had a question as what is your best bet
as to what this phenomenon could be and your reason
for believing so? And I'll add to that by saying that,
I know we talked about different ideas of what this
could possibly be, but what what would your tell you
that this is a paranormal researcher.
Speaker 2: Honestly, Now, this this may sound slightly out there, but
my belief at this point is that they are some
kind of being that exist on a slightly different frequency
or a different level of existence than we do.
Speaker 5: Like a multiff that's happening.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's some kind of interdimensional being. I
think in some fashion they're either shifting into high level
of existence or there are some conditions that are causing
these people to suddenly pre perceive these beings at the time.
And that's what's happening. It's very curious to me. And
one of the things that's the most consistent is that
these kids produce this level of fear and this high
level of emotion within people, and it's it seems there
seems to be an indication that that's the goal. And
you know, it's speculated that there are some beings that
actually can feed on emotion. That's the case, you know,
that may be what these kids are doing, sort of
like a succubust kind of thing, similar similar, similar to
a secubus, but closer possibly to if you're familiar with
different term thoughtful, So you know, something that is created
or co created even by us. You know, there aren't
many similarities in the victims of these beings except one
of the things that really stood out to me going
through so many cases, what there's an inordinate number of
people who are in positions of authority that confront these
kids or attracting law enforcement, military doctors, and you know,
there's something to that there. There's you got to be
a reason for that similarity.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this also real quick before you
go to the chat question here.
Speaker 4: Has there ever been repeat cases or just one time,
one shot deal and then they never see them ever again.
Speaker 2: Most of the time it's a singular incident. There are
a couple of occasions where the person sees one of
these one or more of these children on multiple occasions,
but that's that's pretty rare.
Speaker 1: Now, I tend to leave in your direction of what
you're talking about being some type of interdimensional or other
worldly type of beings not necessary spirit, yes, something.
Speaker 5: That's trying to interact on our level.
Speaker 1: And the one thing that strikes me is the story
that we mentioned previously about the grow in Korea, how
whever it was seemed to impicate the form of her
brother is shape shifter. So it makes I wonder if
these kids that are coming up to people's doors are
actually beings, are taking on the image of other kids
or like maybe real people, and they're reproducing it. But
the one thing that they're not able to fully reproduce is.
Speaker 5: The eyes, which are the reason why they're black.
Speaker 4: Another thing somebody had mentioned in a couple of stories
that I've read it have been the fact that they're
taking the appearance of children and their size. It's their size,
that they're so small that it reflects back to ET's grays.
You know, people are you know, the whole idea of
a hybrid. It could be just even grays in disguise
using some sort of cloaking system or whatever. Somebody said
something along those lines where they just tye themselves as
a recognizable being that it's going to be more uh,
you know, non threatening.
Speaker 5: They're thinking it's non threatening to whoever.
Speaker 4: Goes to answer the door a child, right, and then
their eyes are black because you know, they just don't
make up their eyes.
Speaker 5: I've read that on occasion too.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. And there's there's a lot of
speculation that they actually are not you know, physically children,
that there's some kind of beings that are much older
and just taking this disguise, this particular guys in order
to catch people off God. And you know the thing
is is that quite honestly, that that's factor into the
trauma that these people is experienced because there's something about
mixing children and the paranormal it causes almost a disconnect
in the brain. You know, I've talked to a lot
of these people who've had these encounters, and I believe
that probably the level of confusion they experience is that
as adults were programmed to think and to feel that
if a child needs help, you should help them. But
you know, here we have a condition where we're fighting
our nature wanting to help these children because something about
the situation is causing an incredible level of fear, and
that does very strange things to people's mind and emotions.
Speaker 1: Now, talking about that fear, this brings up another question
that came into the chat room is do you consider
these these entities malevolent because they produce this fear or
maybe is it a byproduct of the experience.
Speaker 2: That's honestly difficult to answer with complete confidence. It's that
on the surface, there are a lot of sinister implications to
these encounters, and you know, at the same time, it's
hard to deny that, in some curious way, a lot
of people who experience these beings seem to get on
a better spiritual path afterwards. So it's something that I
think is still sort of up in the air. You know,
it may it may just be a case where if
it's some kind of an interdimensional being, we may just
not understand completely what's happening during the encounter.
Speaker 1: Now, another question that's is from big in the Question
and the Room is how many cases are actually reported
and has there been an increase in sightings in our
contacts of these children? I guess, I guess that would
we have to figure in what time frame she she's
talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, if you're talking about modern accounts, it's something that
is definitely growing over the last several years. Now. I
attribute that to you a couple of things. One, it's
just the incredible level of social network and communication we
now have with people around the world. And two, you know,
the paranormal has become slipped in the last ten years,
so it's created a new level of comfort for people
to talk about unusual things that they've experienced. I mean,
I can remember when I got involved in the field.
It was like going to eat to try to get
information out of people about accounts and stories and things
like that, because it was just people don't want to
talk about it. It was weird. And you know, now
it's cool you walk into a party and say you're
a paranormal investigator, and you know, everybody wants to wind
up and tell you their.
Speaker 1: Story, but it certainly opens up a lot more doors
this day and age. I mean, you are at radio,
We're talking to Skype or Facebook and listening to different
internet radio shows from all over the country, and so
we are a process information faster than ever before. And
of course the paranormal has just been exploding the last
few years with all these different shows and group popping.
Speaker 5: Up left and right.
Speaker 1: Absolutely now with your your own group too, cross paranormal.
Have you ever got to personally investigate these black eyed
kid cases in your area?
Speaker 2: You know, first of all, travel pretty extensive ways. I
literally investigate cases all over the world. I've been the
locations where the kids have you been encountered, But as
a start of before, I've never encountered them personally, and
I've never found any physical evidence from the encounters. Now,
you know, the reasons for that kid, I think is
that most of the time these kids, they're not really active.
When they show up at people's houses, they tend to
knock on doors. Curiously enough, I've never heard of one
ringing their throwbell, and and all the cases I've investigated,
they always knock. They they don't really, they don't carry
anything with them. They don't you know, young kids. If
it was a normal kid, you know, one of them's
going to have a skateboard on an iPod or something.
And nobody ever reports that from any of these kids.
They're never carrying anything, they're never holding anything. They usually
have their hands down by their sides or in their pockets.
You know, they don't touch things. It's just it's very curious.
It's not typical child behavior. So there's really not a
whole lot of physical evidence we can look for in
these situations, which again they said, all the more curious.
Speaker 1: Is there any relation to black eyed kids' stories in
compared to let's say, you know over in England or
Ireland Scotland, where they have the stories of the fairies
and the els Leprechaun, the little folk over in those areas,
and there's a lot of different stories that you know,
in America when they hear this stuff, they think of
the movies and you know, the Tinkerbell and all that.
But you know, we talked with Barry Fitzgerald recently and
you know, living over in Ireland and talking about some
of the you know, the darker stories that come in
from the islands over there is do you think that
there's any relation with those types of stories compared with
these black eyed kids stories?
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny day with a Friendomiland. We were
actually talking about this very topic today, so interesting time.
And there are some correlations. There's a little bit of
that covered in the book. The thing that I found
the most similar were some of the tales of changelings,
which in classical fairy lore is a case where fairies
replace a shaman child with a fay child, and you know,
and some of those stories it's indicated that the child
would have a strange appearance, whether it's different eyes or whatnot,
and you know, it's something that needs to be explored
a little bit more. But they're definitely some correlations, and
people in the United States particularly don't realize that there's
a very sort of dark semester side to classical fairy lore,
and a lot of people hear the mistakes, as you said,
are used to seeing tinker Bell or you know, happy
dancing fairies, and the reality is much different when you
start looking into some of those classical stories. So I
think it's another indication that once again, this phenomena is
something that we've been dealing with for a long long time,
and we just have to keep exploring it in order
to understand.
Speaker 1: What's the one aspect of this phenomena that you would
say just fascinates you the most, where or at least
sticks out to you the most.
Speaker 2: The two things that stick out to me the most,
I think are one this level of that is produced
in people who encounter these kids. You know, there there's
similarities with infrasound. Uh, there's similarities with something else going
on on a vibrational level, and that to me is
an indication that there's there's something these kids are emitting.
You know. In fact, Bari and I were talking about
this today. It's when people are encountering these kids. It's
not the fact that they have black eyes that's producing
that level of fear.
Speaker 4: You know, that's.
Speaker 2: Simply what It would be unusual and it would be
unsettling to see someone with solid black eyes, but that
alone would not cause a person to experience the level
of fear they experience in these.
Speaker 4: Encounters like euphoria something along those lines, sort of like
that sense of uncertainty or you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, but it's you know, it's the curse.
The closest thing I've been able to equate it to
is infrasound because these people they often feel, you know,
one Wayy described it to me as a feeling like she,
you know, drank three pots of coffee or something, and
just that she was, you know, she was shaking her
nervese with jitterally. She she couldn't and she couldn't dial
the phone very easily, said the level of fear and
nervousness at the same time.
Speaker 4: What is what is a frequency on that There's a
certain frequency what it is I don't know, if it's
like five she hurts or something weird, there's a certain frequency.
Once you get below that number, it's uh, it's the
freak out factor.
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, that's that's right.
Speaker 2: But the reality is that infestund actually doesn't affect everyone
in the same way. Yeah, I've taught to people who
specifically experienced infrasound, and there's actually quite a variety in
how people respond to it. And some people carries enough
do you feel it strictly in their nervous systems and
they just get very jittery. But the feeling of panic
comes over some people from Infrasoun. You know, the fact,
this feeling that they have to run away, that they
have to get away, and you know, that's that comes
up in these cases what these black dot children. And
at the same time, these people experienced this mental confusion
because these kids they speak in these very monotone sentences
and they repeat the same things, you know, over and
over and over again, and they're they're trying to lull
people into it. It's as if a type of hypnosis
or mind control is being attempted during these encounters, and
they're really trying to convince these people to let them
inside or let them in the car, or whatever it
is that they're requested.
Speaker 5: Hans, what you said earlier about the whole et hybrid
thing too mind, Yes, yes, no, that's kind of.
Speaker 1: A question from the chat room asking in all the
reports that you have researched, what's the youngest age of
one of these children that's been reported.
Speaker 2: One of the black guyed children the youngest And bear
in mind these people are estimating the age, but there
are some people who estimate these children to be around
eight years old as the youngest age. Effort most of
them seem to fall in the range of about ten
to thirteen. That's the most common age that I hear
with these kids.
Speaker 5: Wow.
Speaker 1: Well, we're actually coming up towards the end of the hour.
So David is wondering if you could tell people where
they can find your book, Black Guyed Children.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's available at Leptonpress dot com. Shorter from there,
it's a signed edition, if that makes any difference to it.
It's also on Amazon dot com and you can follow
my work. I currently have a blog up which is
two Crows Paranormal dot blogspot dot com spell out the
two and it was a patch on there from my Facebook,
I have a Twitter feed and everything else. I welcome
people to follow me on friend me on Facebook, and
if you have accounts with these Black Eyed Kids, feel
free to send me an email.
Speaker 1: Now, are you to be making an appearances? Do you
do any lectures or anything?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm kind of all over the place this year.
I am, we'll see I'm at the Sacramento Paranormal Summit
in June. That's a middle June. That's going to be
a phenomenal event. Paul Bradford from GHI, Phil Murphy, Anthony Sancez,
Scotty Who. There's lots of great people there. That's a
Sacramento UFO Paranormal Summit, sach UFO Con I think is
the website. I'm also at the Alamo UFO conference in
Nevada next week, I'm at I'm at Scarefest this year
and lest in Kentucky. That's the country's largest penormal horror convention.
Speaker 5: As well. I may see you down there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's an incredible event. Lots of lots
of great genrmal speakers and authors there. I am at
Wake Up Now and Albuquerque, and a handful wrote to thank,
some of which aren't aren't confirmed yet, so just yeah,
check me out on Facebook and at the moment that's
the best way to follow me with my coming events.
Speaker 1: Great now, Chris, you also are going to be appearing
at some events here soon, aren't you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we're actually we're doing the New York Paranormal Expo
twenty twelve.
Speaker 5: You can actually just google it.
Speaker 4: We'll find all the information, the address, how you cat
you know, sign up for it and get down, you know,
get up there.
Speaker 5: There's quite a few people going up for that one.
It's for Brianna Wiler.
Speaker 4: She's twelve year old girl assistant fibrosis. She's you know,
taking you know the girls, going through a lot in
her life and so you know, so we're going up.
Speaker 5: We're going up to support her.
Speaker 4: All proceeds go to her from one understand, So we're
going up to do that. That's June sixteenth and seventeenth.
That weekend. After that, we have our own event Red
Mill and Clinton, New Jersey with Thrown Together for August
fourth July. We're kind of doing a lot of residential
stuff we got going on, so we're not doing too
much on the expos. In August twenty fifth, we have
with Scared Paranormal and I think you Mark and Lauren
right are coming along for this.
Speaker 5: Yah. We're gonna do Fort Mifflin.
Speaker 4: We were doing the we're doing August twenty fifth, six
pm to midnight is the public ghost hunt and people
can sign up for that on the Fort Mifflin website.
Just do a Google search for them. It's gonna be
a great time. Brian's joining us. We want to collector
you know, Chris is gonna be out there for Scared
always guy. Everybody's coming out to do this. You know,
my team's out there. It's gonna be a great time.
You know, got a lot of you know, little things
going on, little surprise stuff happening as well. You have
Medium on board, so we got that. And then I said,
we just signed up with Haunted Entertainment that we're working
with them right now and we're doing a lot of
events coming up with them.
Speaker 5: One of them. They're also looking towards scare Fest as well.
Speaker 4: I think it's September, it is, and uh, and then
I'm going in and September right and September twenty eight thirtieth,
I believe, right, And then also yeah, I'm going to La.
I'm going to do some filming for a national TV show.
Uh in about like I guess what three weeks?
Speaker 5: Excellent? Well that's crip.
Speaker 1: Well again, thank you both coming on tonight, David, Thank
you very much for coming on and talking to us.
And hopefully I can just scare Fest too, because I'm
love to beat you in person.
Speaker 5: We can hang out and swap stories.
Speaker 2: Sounds good.
Speaker 5: It's been great. Yeah, I'm been hooking with you up
on Facebook, so sounds good. And Chris coming on and
out tonight and anytime. Mark give me a call.
Speaker 1: Okay, and well that for this edition of Unknown Origins Radio,
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