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Speaker 1: This is Mark Johnson and you're listening to a classic

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edition of Unknown Origins Radio right here on the Paranormal

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Speaker 2: Hey, this is Sandy Peters, psychic medium and author of

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Butterfly's Soul.

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Speaker 1: You are listening to Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 3: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts

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and spirits wander through our physical dimension. Undiscovered creatures lurk

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in the shadows, and strange lights and crafts seem to

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dominate our skies. Modern science refuses to acknowledge their existence.

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Yet credible eyewitnesses are convinced these things are real and

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it's up to independent researchers to search for the truth.

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Welcome to Unknown origin Its Radio.

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Speaker 1: Good evening, and welcome everyone to another edition of Unknown

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Origins Radio where once again we talk about everything, and

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I do mean everything having to do with the strange

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and paranormal. I'm your host, Mark Johnson, and unfortunately our

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regular co hosts, Lauren de Pinto and Carrie an Versace

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are not able to be with us tonight. It's Carrie

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Anne's birthday, so we want to wish her a happy

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twenty ninth birthday. Well you know she wants it to

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be twenty ninth, but you know, we'll just say twenty

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ninth birthday and hope she's out doing something fun tonight.

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And Lauren is at an event with her husband tonight,

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so hopefully she's you know, having a good time as well.

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I heard she might be tripping the light fantastic. That's

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always a good thing. So that means you're stuck with me.

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Actually you're not only just stuck with me. Tonight, we

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have a guest co host who's very kind enough to

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come on and join us tonight night, a good friend

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of ours. His name is Chris Nicoletti from Scream Paranormal.

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How are you tonight, Chris, good Mark, how you doing

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doing excellent? I'm really glad that you could come on

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and join me tonight and hopefully we have some fun.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm I'm excited about this because the topics we're

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gonna go over, Wow, all the reports and everything.

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Speaker 5: I'm excited about this one. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Now, I just want you can tell everybody a bit

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about Screen Paranormal and your group.

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Speaker 4: Sure, we've been together after about I guess on and

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off like five six years now.

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Speaker 5: We do a lot of you know, residential.

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Speaker 4: Investigations, business investigations as well. We do a lot of

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events where we educate the public into a little bit

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more into you know, bringing people into the paranormal. How

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to conductor, you know, conduct a proper ghost hunts, how

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to use equipment, kind of get people a springboard into,

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you know, into ghost hunting and stuff along those lines.

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I'm also into, you know a little bit of you

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have philology stuff. You know, I've been to you know,

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I have a friend of mine deep into it, and uh,

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you know so I kind of I touched face on

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it a little bit.

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Speaker 5: So oh that's it.

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Speaker 1: And I mean we got to hang out with you

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at a Phenomenology and Gettysburg this last March. And I

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remember there was one night where you were walking down

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the hallway to the tavern at the bar and you

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have an experience. It was wondering if you could talk

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tell us about Oh.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I know exactly what you're talking about. When I

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was walking down that one long hallway and I ended

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end of the hallway and the only one that saw it.

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you just see what I just saw, and she goes

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Speaker 5: I'm like, no, I saw it too.

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Speaker 4: It was a shadow that went from right to left,

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Speaker 1: Now, I remember I was standing there when you saw

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it and you came around. You have this look of

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literally saw a ghost exactly.

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she's like, yeah, this place is haunted. Yes, you know,

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there's soldiers that crossed through here all the time. And

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it's right where the battles took place, right I think,

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of the battlefield. Pickets Tree which was about two miles

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farther north. We were still on the Confederate side. There

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other like, you know, wow, okay, this is cool. You know,

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Speaker 4: It was a nice a little uh edit feature to

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the weekend if Feminology one of four.

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Speaker 5: Dana and Chris do an amazing job every every year.

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Speaker 1: So well, we also just got the official announcement, so

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hopefully I'm going to be one of the first radio

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shows talking about it is they've just announced. Dana Wingard

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of Nepie has just announced that Phenomenology one five is

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a go. So we're shooting for the third weekend in March.

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Once again, I believe it's gonna be at Getty's Burn.

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Speaker 5: It's way much fun.

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Speaker 1: The most phenomenal you know, phenomenology, phenomenal gifts. I use

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many guests. I'm really excited to who they have lined

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up this here and I actually our guest tonight, David

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Speaker 5: Have with this. So so definitely looking forward to that.

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Speaker 1: And we also have a just just touching base on

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it seems halfway through the summer with upcoming shows. We've

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Speaker 1: He has several great books out. He's got a new

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book out about haunted places around the country. His book

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I Lucifer talking about Satan. You know, he is a Satanist,

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but not a devil worshiper, and they get into that

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in the show. It's it's really fascinating. I recommend you

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tuning in. We're also going to have Scottie Roberts on

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in the next couple of weeks talking about the rise

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and fall of the nepheline. We have Ben Hansen from

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sci Fi's Factor Faked Paranormal Files.

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Speaker 5: You said Ben ben Hansen is Nansen Today's I joke.

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Speaker 1: He's a riot so oh and he is so tall,

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was at Fort Mifflin. That was God.

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or something like that. And she was great. She made

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Speaker 5: Okay, well I have to see Chris Flemings duck fase.

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Speaker 5: And yeah, he's up there, he's making the best duck face.

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Speaker 1: Well, with Katrina, I was disappointed because, you know, a

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of strange things happening in the news this week. First

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of the Sun that mainly affected the West coast, and

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Speaker 1: I was just I had my I had my rifle,

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Speaker 1: I wanted to blast something, and it didn't happen. What

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Speaker 5: You know?

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Speaker 1: It just these Miyans are continuing to disappoint me. You

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I read about that as well.

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Speaker 5: I mean, really, you could do a whole radio show

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Speaker 1: Because you know, if we're here the day after December

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twenty second, you know it there's people's got some spain

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Speaker 5: So, but we also had a couple other things happening.

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Speaker 5: Did you hear about that? There was a near miss

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with a private jet.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, No, I did hear about that one. Yes,

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And they couldn't identify it on the radar. It wouldn't

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even show up on the radar, but the pilot called

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it in. Yes, I remember that, go on, Yeah, yeah, and.

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Speaker 1: They and this has caught a lot of buzz going

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around our friends Stany Lisa Romanek. Of course we were

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on top of this and we're commenting on this because

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they live in the Denver area. Of course they've had

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a lot of their experiences with UFOs too, so very

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very strange, you know, buzzing UFOs buzzing jets of Denver Airport.

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Of course, if you know, that picks my interest because

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for other reasons too, because I don't know, if you

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ever uh watch.

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Speaker 5: A Jesse Ventura's show Conspiracy.

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Speaker 4: You're talking about the underground tunnels at the airport. Yes,

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underground facility. Yes, I keep up on that quite a bit.

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FEMA camps, everything, the whole bit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm fascinated with all that and just

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wonder what the heck they're doing out for. So when

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the UFO start buzzing the airport makes me think maybe

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they know something we don't.

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Speaker 4: Well maybe you know, maybe they're checking out the planet.

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Maybe maybe they're sick and tired of us destroying it.

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There's so many different theories on that as well. I mean,

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what is the one theory? Are the reptilians? You know,

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the whole government's made out of reptilians and they're controlling

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everybody and we're just all we are?

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Speaker 5: Is like cattle to that you now, it reminds me

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of my ex girlfriends. Oh god, well, you know here's

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what we're gonna be getting a phone call later or too, right.

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Speaker 1: Nah, you know they already think I'm the Antichrist anyway.

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Speaker 6: Soh so, anyway, we're gonna get ready here, we're gonna

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take a quick break, and when we come back, we're

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gonna talk with our guests tonight, David Weatherley about black

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eyed kids.

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Speaker 1: So don't go away. We'll be right back just after

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Speaker 5: And we're back the Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 1: I'm Mark Johnson on with Chris Nicoletti, our guest co

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host for tonight. Now, before we get into introducing our guest,

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I have a story to.

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Speaker 5: Tell you, let me start off by talking about Paul. Now.

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Speaker 1: There was a knock on Paul's front door which pulled

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him from work. He stood from the desk in his

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home office to a small North Dakota town and walked downstairs.

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He didn't find what he expected. On that April twenty

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eleven day, I found a young boy who appeared to

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be about sixteen or seventeen standing on my front porch,

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Paul said. The then teenager wore almost threadbare corduroy pants

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and dress shirt that hung off his body. Black, unkempt

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hair hung lifelessly around his face. He asked me about

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a cherry, a Chevy cracker that I had seen in

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my front of my garage with a for sale sign

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of Paul said, he spoke very clearly and slowly, in

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a rather monotone voice. It was like he was trying

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to force his words to make a point to me.

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He never said anything threatening. He only asked me to

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tell him about the vehicle. That there was something odd

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about the boy that set all on edge. I felt

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uneasy from the get go, but proceeded to tell give

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him details about the Chevy, Paul said. Talking about the vehicle,

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Paul tried to figure out why the boy's presence set

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his nerves a fire. He discovered why I noticed this black.

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His eyes were jet black. They had no pupils or irises.

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I was taken back immediately. At that moment, Paul saw

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the team wasn't alone. There was a second youth there

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with Tim, standing at the end of the walk that

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leads to the front.

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Speaker 5: Porch to the front of the garage. Paul said.

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Speaker 1: The girls took fifteen to twenty feet from him. She

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looked about the same age, maybe younger. She had blond

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hair that also looked unkempt, and was wearing an old,

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faded dress. The girl didn't speak, and she never took

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a step closer. She just stood the end of the smiling.

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I couldn't tell her eyes were the same as the boys,

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but looking back, it wouldn't have surprised me if they were.

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Paul said, he just kept talking about the vehicle, on alert,

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ready for any sub movement from either team. After I

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finished the boy of the suv, he asked me if

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I could take him for a ride in it. Paul said, again,

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I felt very uneasy and said that I was busy.

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The boy again asked if I could just take him

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for a ride so he could see how it worked. Again,

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I'd find the boy kept asking for a ride along

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with Paul. During that time. I never once mentioned the

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price of the vehicle, and he never asked about if,

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Paul said, he only continued to ask that I'd give

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him a ride in the Chevy so he could see

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how it worked. Those were his exact words. After a

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few minutes of fleeting, Paul said he had to leave.

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I told him I was very busy and needed to go,

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and then I slammed the door shut and locked it.

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to get myself a drink that I realized how scared

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I was. Paul's hands shook so badly he put an

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open a can of soda. After a few minutes, he

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began to relax, took a drink and called his wife.

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I told her what happened, he said. While I was

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on the phone, I looked outside to see if the

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boy and his girlfriend were still there over the suv,

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but they were going. Paul eventually asked his neighbors if

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they had seen the tas, but none of them had,

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nor had they seen them in the area before, and

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Paul hoped it stayed that.

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Speaker 5: Well.

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Speaker 1: That is just one of the many black Eyed kids'

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stories that have been making the rounds on the internet,

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and is just this new phenomenon. It's not so much

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a new phenomenon. I think it's been around for a

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long time, but it's just now hitting the public consciousness.

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So tonight's guest is an author, paranormal investigator, crypto zoologist,

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and you a phiologist. And he's the founder of Two

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Crows Paranormal and has spent over thirty five years experiencing

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exploring the weird and unexplained. Now his new book, Black

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Eyed Children covers one of the creepiest phenomenon I've ever

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heard of, and as a subject I've been dying to

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talk about for a long time. So please welcome David

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Weatherley to the program.

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Speaker 2: How are you tonight, David, I'm good, March Chris, thanks

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for having me on.

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Speaker 1: Now I do have to ask you, David that And

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in research to bio, I came across a story on

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the internet and I have to ask as if, as

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if the same David Weatherley. I came across an article

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about a David Weatherley trapped in the wilderness and having

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to play angry birds until uh hell.

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Speaker 5: Me very strange.

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Speaker 1: It was a funny story a gentleman who was trapped

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in the woods and overnight and he had nothing to do,

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so he played angry birds until he could, uh.

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Speaker 5: Do make sense?

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Speaker 2: Right? I don't think I've heard that one, but I

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guess you gotta do something to pass the time, right.

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Speaker 4: Yes, And when your cell phone dies or whatever you're

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playing it on, you can always play with the real

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angry birds that are out there.

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Speaker 7: Right, yeah, throwing around?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think I'd built a fire and looks like

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a fire of sasquatch if I was in that situation.

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Speaker 5: Well, it.

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Speaker 1: This story that I just told is one of many

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that have been starting to now come out of the woodwork.

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I first heard of this phenomenon last year. I give

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credit to Dave Schrader on Darkness Radio. He was the

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first time, first person who really brought this subject up

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that I had ever heard about it. And it's just

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been making the rounds. And you've written your book called

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Black Eyed Children about this phenomenon. So I was wondering

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if you could, if you talk about do you know

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how this phenomenon got started or how far back it

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really goes.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's a compound question. I'll give you two answers.

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First of all, the modern version of this phenomena, which

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we're calling black eyed children or black eyed kids, you'll

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often see on the internet also a b E case,

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which is a short for black eyed kids. That particular

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term started around the late nineties with a journalist named

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Brian Bethel. What the Internet was just becoming popular in

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chat rooms and forums were sort of in their infancy

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and taken off, and this gentleman, Brian Bethel, posted a

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story on one of those about an encounter he had

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with two teenage boys in a parking lot and these

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boys both had solid black guys. They presented him with

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a series of strange questions. They you know, they wanted

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to see a movie, and they claim they had forgotten

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their money and they wanted to ride, you know, back

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to their house. And of course he's, you know, clear

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enough minded to be looking around. He notices on the

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marquis the movies you know, already more than half over,

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and none of the things are quite adding up. And

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he has the typical feed response that we see with

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these situations, refuses to let the boys in the vehicle

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and drives away. So he posted this story and it

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really caught people's attention. The response was that a number

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of other stories similar to this were posted, and years

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since then it's kind of grown on the internet. Now.

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At that time, it's you know, there were some indications

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that this could be an urban legend that was sprouting

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up due to the internet. You know, some of the

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stories were a friend of a friend, and a lot

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of very mysterious but also very generic accounts showed up.

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It was really hard to distinguish any solid information about

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the phenomena. But it really resonated with people, and it

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really it struck an miror for some reason. So the

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stories have continued to come out, especially over the last

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several years. There's just more and moral attention it's being

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paid to the phenomena. And you mentioned Dave Trader. I've

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been on the show a few times, and it's something

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that you know, whenever he does a shot. I've been

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on there a couple of times talking about the Black

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Guy kids, and there's always just a huge response from

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his listeners. People are disturbed and intrigued about the phenomen

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all at the same time, more and more reports keep

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coming to White Now the second part of your question,

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what I have found during the course of research in

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my book was that the phenomena is actually much much older.

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It's just that in a lot of the older stories

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you have to sort of root around and find similarities

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because the focus a lot of the times was not

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just on the eyes. And I think that's what some

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of the confusion is is these black eyed beans. Black

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eyed beans you can find in cultures all over the world,

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and you know, a lot of different types of manifestations.

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So I actually believe this is a very very old phenomena.

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It's just that we're seeing a very modern version of

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it now.

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Speaker 1: So the reports that we've been doing coming all across

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the country, have you gotten reports that coming from other

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parts of the world as well?

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Speaker 5: Modern reports?

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes, uh as widespread those England to Australia, Canada,

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South Africa, the Middle East. It's it seems to be

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a worldwide phenomena that is slowly increasing at this point.

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Speaker 1: Now, what do you in the research that you've done

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on this, I mean, honestly, what do you what do

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you make of this? Does it seem like it's a

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paranormal phenomenon the spiritual ghost? I mean, I mean, what

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is your take on what what people are experiencing?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's definitely paranormal, that's you know, to some degree.

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because you know, one of the things about this phenomena

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is that these kids, for lack of a better word,

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these childrens tare traits with a lot of different paranormal manifestations,

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and you know, the debate is still kind of going

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on as to exactly what they are. May be, there

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may be several things that explain them. A lot of

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people very firmly believe that they are alien hybrids and Indeed,

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there are some things about the phenomena that would make

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them appear to be very similar to reports of hybrid children,

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but you know, they're equally They are just as many

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people that feel that the kids are some kind of

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demonic entity or undead entity. And yet again there are

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things that correlate between those two possibilities. You know, for instance,

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these kids they never they never intrude in the sense

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that they never barage into someone's house or car or

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hotel room, whatever it is they show up, but they

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00:24:51,359 --> 00:24:53,599
always try to convince the person to let them in.

477
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,799
Now God hearkens back to you know, classical vampire or

478
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,440
undead lore, and that you know, they can't until they're

479
00:25:01,440 --> 00:25:05,440
invited over the threshold. So it's very That's one of

480
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,160
the things that I find most intriguing about this phenomenon

481
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,720
is that it just shafs so many things in common

482
00:25:10,759 --> 00:25:12,440
with other areas of the paranormal.

483
00:25:14,319 --> 00:25:16,079
Speaker 1: I was going to comment on that that, Yeah, the

484
00:25:16,160 --> 00:25:19,160
one thing that intrigues me about this phenomenon is it's

485
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:24,319
always these these kids asking to either come into a

486
00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:29,599
house or approaching somebody wanting a ride, wanting that asking

487
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:33,799
permission for that personal contact to either enter their their

488
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:38,000
sanctity of their home, or in a private like in

489
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:39,000
the calv of a car.

490
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Speaker 5: They want in. They're always looking for a way in.

491
00:25:42,759 --> 00:25:47,519
Speaker 1: And their response is that it's almost the robotic in

492
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:52,000
the term that they're just monotone asking the question, not

493
00:25:52,079 --> 00:25:54,359
really being rude, but just being persistent.

494
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Speaker 5: I'd like to add on that a little bit more too.

495
00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:58,279
Speaker 4: One of the things I read about with a lot

496
00:25:58,279 --> 00:26:00,440
of the stories that you know I've touched with on

497
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:03,960
the you know, the bks is the fact that they

498
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,119
get irate when you turn them away, and the emotional

499
00:26:09,160 --> 00:26:11,960
response that the people who were in contact with these

500
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:15,279
entities or whatever they are, you know, they they get

501
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,599
the feeling even before they even realize half.

502
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,000
Speaker 5: The time that the you know, then they get their complexion.

503
00:26:20,079 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 4: There might be you know, you know, in the dark

504
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,079
bit in the shadow, and they can't really make out

505
00:26:24,079 --> 00:26:26,960
who their facial expressions or their black eyes or whatever.

506
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:29,480
They get just this feeling of doom. They just don't

507
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,240
want them around. They get uncomfortable. It was one story

508
00:26:33,319 --> 00:26:35,559
was ringing about the one of the marine right who

509
00:26:35,599 --> 00:26:37,599
was stationed I think it was in North Carolina or

510
00:26:37,599 --> 00:26:39,640
whatever it was, and he answered the door and.

511
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Speaker 5: Here was just two kids.

512
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:42,440
Speaker 4: They came to his door and he just got this

513
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,279
foreboding feeling. He didn't even want them anywhere near. He

514
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:47,079
had to close. He slammed the door in their face,

515
00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:48,240
is what he did.

516
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:49,319
Speaker 5: And it's just.

517
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,240
Speaker 4: Amazing the whole, the whole feeling, the vibe you get

518
00:26:52,279 --> 00:26:55,319
from them, and like they they pressure you to come in,

519
00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:56,920
they want to come in. They get mad at you

520
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:59,039
if they you know, they don't like barge in, but

521
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:00,839
they get mad at you and like, you have to

522
00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:03,880
let me in kind of is their response, you know

523
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:05,440
from the stories that I've read.

524
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:05,400
Speaker 1: So.

525
00:27:07,400 --> 00:27:13,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, they definitely get more insistent, you know they're there.

526
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:16,640
I haven't really encountered any stories where they where the

527
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,240
kids have become overly emotional, but they certainly produce an

528
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,799
incredible level of emotional reaction from the victims for off

529
00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:28,440
a better word, And it almost seems as though one

530
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,759
of the goals of these children is actually to produce

531
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:32,880
that fear response.

532
00:27:33,799 --> 00:27:37,559
Speaker 5: M Now, what do you think.

533
00:27:37,920 --> 00:27:41,799
Speaker 1: Have you ever heard of a case where somebody has

534
00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:43,640
actually let these beings in.

535
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,759
Speaker 5: I have.

536
00:27:47,319 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 2: I have a handful of those, and there's one particular

537
00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,359
case that is in The book takes up a full

538
00:27:55,440 --> 00:28:01,079
chapter and it details what happened when a child was

539
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,880
invited in. So the brief version of this story is

540
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:09,680
that a woman was driving home from work. She had

541
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:11,920
her ten year old in the back of the suv

542
00:28:12,039 --> 00:28:14,279
with her. She was in a small area and she

543
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:18,680
pulled into a convenience store, jumped out, ran in to

544
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,720
get her milk or bread or whatever, and she let

545
00:28:20,759 --> 00:28:23,599
her child in the back. Done this countless times on

546
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,920
the way home from work. And when she comes back,

547
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:31,759
gets back in the suv, reaches down to turn the key,

548
00:28:31,799 --> 00:28:33,559
and just out of habit less up in the roar

549
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,279
view mirror and staring back at her a pair of

550
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:41,279
black eyes, and she has the immediate fear response. She

551
00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,799
jumps out of the suv. There's a black eyed boy

552
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,759
who is in the back seat. He's in the middle

553
00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,039
of the back seat, sitting right next to her son.

554
00:28:54,039 --> 00:28:56,920
She jerks her son out of the suv and runs

555
00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:03,079
back into the store and has it unfolded. The clerk,

556
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,799
of course, thought something was wrong. She's kind of stuttering

557
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,880
and stammering that somebody's in her car, and he rushes

558
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,000
out decide to see what's happening, thinking, God, is this

559
00:29:13,039 --> 00:29:16,279
a robbery or you know what's happening? Not a sign

560
00:29:16,359 --> 00:29:18,160
of anyone in the suv is sitting there at talking

561
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:23,559
while about the door has opened, and she's kind of

562
00:29:23,559 --> 00:29:27,160
an emotional mess because she's feeling all of this incredible

563
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,000
level of fear. She ends up calling her husband, who

564
00:29:31,079 --> 00:29:32,920
comes up to try to set her down there. She

565
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:35,920
hasn't told me what's happened at this point, but he

566
00:29:36,039 --> 00:29:39,200
agrees to take her suv and drive it home and

567
00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:45,000
let her drive his vehicle. A couple of miles away.

568
00:29:45,759 --> 00:29:48,279
He gets in a wreck and tells the suv at

569
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the hospital the child. Their child became ill in the

570
00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:04,799
following day, and when they took him to the doctors,

571
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:07,559
the doctors couldn't figure out what was wrong with this boy.

572
00:30:07,880 --> 00:30:09,759
And part of the reason they couldn't determine what was

573
00:30:09,799 --> 00:30:13,920
wrong with him was because his symptoms were rotated through

574
00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:18,519
a whole vath range of different things. They thought this

575
00:30:18,519 --> 00:30:21,680
boy had the food, then they thought they had appendicitis,

576
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,240
and then he broke out, they thought he had the measles.

577
00:30:24,599 --> 00:30:30,640
It was just a crazy, ever changing number of symptoms.

578
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,640
To this point was very ill, and this went off

579
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,960
for several weeks. Now her husband was okay. He ended

580
00:30:37,039 --> 00:30:40,640
up with just some minor injuries and they thought he

581
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,079
had a concussion at first, so they kept him for observation.

582
00:30:43,279 --> 00:30:47,559
But has anything unfolded over the next couple of days.

583
00:30:47,759 --> 00:30:50,200
You know, the wife she talked to her son and

584
00:30:50,279 --> 00:30:54,240
she said, try to stay calm about it, And she said,

585
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,039
who was that boy? Do you know him from school?

586
00:30:57,119 --> 00:31:02,599
And the response was no, mommy, I don't know him. Well,

587
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,559
you know, why was he in our car? Well? He

588
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,359
he asked me to invite him in because you know,

589
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:13,000
I thought we could get to my house and play. So,

590
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,240
you know, here we have this is this is a

591
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:19,160
rare case actually, where one of these blackcat children has

592
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:24,480
presented themselves to another child. And in this case, the

593
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:29,359
child in question really didn't see anything unusual. He was

594
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,160
just seeing a potential playmate. He thought it was innocent,

595
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:37,400
and in that innocence, he invited the boy into the car.

596
00:31:38,119 --> 00:31:41,359
The result, obviously, was not very good for the family.

597
00:31:43,400 --> 00:31:45,920
His mother in particular, is convinced that it was only

598
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,000
through you know, a lot of prayer and positive energy

599
00:31:49,039 --> 00:31:51,880
focused on that boy that he was able to finally

600
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,559
get well and heal and for just pay. He's fine,

601
00:31:55,839 --> 00:31:59,279
but definitely lasting effects on the family from that that

602
00:31:59,359 --> 00:32:00,480
fair strange encounter.

603
00:32:01,319 --> 00:32:04,079
Speaker 5: Well, can I ask you one quick question, David entrepreneur.

604
00:32:05,839 --> 00:32:08,359
Speaker 4: I find this really interesting, this whole concept of the

605
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:14,160
B case and the possibility of being involved with extraterrestrials

606
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,920
and you know, and whatnot. Have you ever heard of

607
00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:21,519
any cases where somebody's encounter to B B E K right,

608
00:32:23,039 --> 00:32:29,319
and then afterward the confrontation they started reporting abductions or

609
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,680
or sightings or any any kind of that, you know.

610
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:32,119
Speaker 5: Nature.

611
00:32:34,759 --> 00:32:37,400
Speaker 2: Now, at this point I have maintained contact with a

612
00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:40,200
lot of the people whose accounts are detailed in the book,

613
00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:43,759
and you know, that's one of the things I'm sort

614
00:32:43,799 --> 00:32:48,960
of monitoring and really interested in the follow up effects. Now,

615
00:32:49,559 --> 00:32:51,519
I will tell you this a couple of things. First

616
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:56,559
of all, most of these people that I have interviewed,

617
00:32:56,960 --> 00:33:00,119
the greater portion of them, had no interest in the

618
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:07,920
paranormal when these accounts, when these encounters occur. Other side

619
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:13,039
of this is that these people, really they display all

620
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:16,079
the symptoms of a trauma victim. I mean, we're talking

621
00:33:16,119 --> 00:33:18,960
about a lot of these people. Have a great difficulty

622
00:33:19,119 --> 00:33:24,359
in sleeping, a lot of them refuse to ever go

623
00:33:24,480 --> 00:33:29,640
back to the location where the encounter occurred. They you know,

624
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,400
they have a lot if some of the people end

625
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,839
up feeling like they're hated by these kids in that

626
00:33:37,279 --> 00:33:39,480
you know, they'll lake up in the middle of the

627
00:33:39,599 --> 00:33:43,240
night in a sweat and believing that they've heard a

628
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:45,599
knock at the door or on their bedroom window, and

629
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,400
firmly believing that those kids have come back. Some people,

630
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:52,599
you know, are very hesitant. There are a good number

631
00:33:52,599 --> 00:33:55,119
of stories that I couldn't even include in the book

632
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:57,839
because while the people want to talk about them and

633
00:33:57,880 --> 00:34:02,559
try to understand what they've encountered, they simply don't want

634
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,000
their names out there. They don't want to be associated

635
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,640
with these kids because they're afraid.

636
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:12,360
Speaker 5: They're going to come back right right makes sense so very.

637
00:34:12,199 --> 00:34:14,519
Speaker 2: Much as like dealing with the trauma picked them very

638
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,119
often in these situations.

639
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: Now, I did hear one story about someone who let

640
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,920
them into his house and they were asking these two

641
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:29,159
young boys were asking him to use the phone to

642
00:34:29,239 --> 00:34:33,039
call to get a ride home, and so he let

643
00:34:33,199 --> 00:34:36,360
them in even though he felt something was strange, but

644
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,920
he almost felt compelled to let them in. It's almost

645
00:34:39,320 --> 00:34:42,320
as if being under hypnosis. And when he goes to

646
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,679
show them the telephone, he turns around and the boy

647
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:47,480
is just standing in the hallway staring at him and says,

648
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:52,920
we've come to collect you. And you know, if I

649
00:34:52,960 --> 00:34:54,760
would see if I would hear that and see these

650
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,599
black guys, I'd probably do what this gentleman did.

651
00:34:57,639 --> 00:34:59,159
Speaker 5: He said, he ran out the back door.

652
00:35:00,119 --> 00:35:05,559
Speaker 2: Right. Yeah, there's a a whole lot of stories about

653
00:35:05,559 --> 00:35:08,920
people actually letting them in. As I said before, I

654
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:12,000
have maybe a handful of them. I chose to include

655
00:35:12,039 --> 00:35:16,039
the one in the book because I was able to

656
00:35:16,079 --> 00:35:20,039
interview these people on a number of occasions and you know,

657
00:35:20,159 --> 00:35:22,639
get as verify as many of the details as I could,

658
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,760
as far as the you know, the boy having a

659
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:29,440
medical condition and these things I can't out, you know,

660
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,159
the friend of our friends stories are pretty fascinating, but uh,

661
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,920
unless I can actually talk to the person, I usually

662
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,440
don't address those too much, you know, just because it's

663
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,320
this whole thing. There's such a laura around these black

664
00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:47,239
eyed children that it's growing more and more every year,

665
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,960
and you know, like we lets stay it. There's something

666
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,639
that people are just incredible intrigued by, you know, intrigued

667
00:35:53,679 --> 00:35:55,400
and disturbed, though at the same time.

668
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 1: No right with you mentioned that there are stories that

669
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:01,679
go back in history.

670
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,199
Speaker 5: How far back are we talking? Are we talking you.

671
00:36:06,159 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: Know, decades, hundreds of years, even thousands of years?

672
00:36:11,559 --> 00:36:16,119
Speaker 2: Possibly? I mean right now. Since the books come out,

673
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:21,719
I've developed a couple of avenues of research into the

674
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:26,400
topic that relate to some Native American tribal law that

675
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:29,920
seems to indicate, you know, possibly some black eyed beings.

676
00:36:30,559 --> 00:36:32,400
There are other accounts. You know, there's one of the

677
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:37,280
book that's pretty fascinating from nineteen fifty and I often

678
00:36:38,679 --> 00:36:40,440
it was one of the early ones. I discovered it,

679
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,159
and I was very fascinated by it, just because you know,

680
00:36:43,199 --> 00:36:45,719
at the time, the skeptics were still jumping up and

681
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:48,199
down that this was all fabricated, that it was a

682
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:52,599
modern fabrication and influenced by television or even today, you know,

683
00:36:52,639 --> 00:36:54,960
some people will still say, well, you know, call of

684
00:36:55,039 --> 00:36:58,320
the shows like True Blood and all the vampire movies

685
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:01,800
and shows, and look at pict black eyes, and you

686
00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,440
know that even in the nineties the X Files at

687
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,199
an alien hybrid thing that was depicted with black eyes.

688
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:09,920
So I really set out to find some things that

689
00:37:09,960 --> 00:37:13,599
were pre internet and even pre television, and I uncovered

690
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,519
one from nineteen fifty about a young man living in

691
00:37:16,559 --> 00:37:20,880
a rural area, farming community who encountered a child with

692
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,880
black eyes. And it was a very creepy account. He was,

693
00:37:25,079 --> 00:37:27,039
this young man was his name was Harold. He was

694
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:30,039
walking home and he reached the fence line that ran

695
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:34,280
to his family's home and he saw this young boy

696
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:38,400
leaning on the fence and he didn't recognize him right off,

697
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:41,239
which was unusual because you know, it's a tight knit

698
00:37:41,280 --> 00:37:44,079
community they all knew each other. But Harold was a

699
00:37:44,119 --> 00:37:46,760
pretty good natured guy. He just started talking to this kid,

700
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,639
and in the course of the conversation, the boy's not

701
00:37:51,679 --> 00:37:55,599
saying anything, and Hal says, hey, are you okay? And

702
00:37:55,679 --> 00:37:59,000
this boy, you know, looks at him and says, I

703
00:37:59,119 --> 00:38:01,039
want to go to your house. House, you'd take me

704
00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:07,880
up to your house, and either this uh, this young

705
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,599
man just had a serve over this again, like nothing

706
00:38:10,599 --> 00:38:14,960
he'd ever felt before. And you know, he's realizing that something,

707
00:38:16,079 --> 00:38:20,199
something really creepy is going on. As he's standing there,

708
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:24,519
he's thinking, just thinking about running up the guy to

709
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:30,400
his house, and in what appears to be you know,

710
00:38:30,559 --> 00:38:32,480
a feed of mind reading. Maybe this boy was just

711
00:38:32,679 --> 00:38:36,679
reading Harold's body language, but he quickly responds, Harold hasn't

712
00:38:36,679 --> 00:38:39,199
said anything, But the boy quickly says, now, don't you

713
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:42,039
run away from me. You're gonna walk me up to

714
00:38:42,079 --> 00:38:45,320
your house. And you know, given the course of this,

715
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,960
Herald has realized that this boy has solid black guys,

716
00:38:48,039 --> 00:38:52,519
and combined with the these creepy statements, that's enough to

717
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:56,840
set him running and setting a record up to his house.

718
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 5: And uh.

719
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 2: One of the newt of things that has shut up

720
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:03,639
in a few accounts of black got children is that

721
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:07,559
as Harold is running, he is what he described as

722
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:13,159
the screech of a bobcat behind him coming from this boy,

723
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:21,280
and Bob Cavy's a pretty strange noise, is and it's

724
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,360
something that you know, he's familiar with living in a

725
00:39:23,440 --> 00:39:26,559
rural area. But he makes it up to his house

726
00:39:26,639 --> 00:39:31,239
and he tells his parents what happened. He was fortunate

727
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,960
in the fact that as a young man he really

728
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,760
wasn't very prone to making enough stories. We're telling her life,

729
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,400
so his parents believed them. Now, his father promptly took

730
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:42,679
off with a shotgun to see, you know what the

731
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:46,440
trouble was and of course couldn't find anything but Hale's mother.

732
00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:51,039
Her response was that Harold met the devil. Now, you know,

733
00:39:51,119 --> 00:39:53,639
this is a simple farming community, and they were you know,

734
00:39:53,679 --> 00:39:56,400
they were a religious and she took him down to

735
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:59,079
the rocal clergy to get him blessed. And that's how

736
00:39:59,119 --> 00:40:02,280
the story was always told, was that hal didn't met

737
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,719
the devil. The eyes were on the focus, even though

738
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:10,440
they were a component of the experience. So, you know,

739
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:12,079
those are the contacts we had to look for when

740
00:40:12,119 --> 00:40:15,079
we start look in a historical account, is that you

741
00:40:15,159 --> 00:40:16,920
take the focus away from the eyes and you look

742
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,000
to some of the other creepy aspects to these encounters.

743
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,480
That's when you find that, you know, there really are

744
00:40:24,519 --> 00:40:26,840
over accounts. Now.

745
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,440
Speaker 1: I had also heard another account. Dave Schrader had mentioned

746
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,880
this on his show about I think it was in

747
00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:37,079
the nineteen fifties in South Korea. There was a girl

748
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:40,960
who she wrote in and told this story about sleeping

749
00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:41,840
with her family.

750
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 5: She was a young girl at the time. Back in

751
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:45,559
those days.

752
00:40:45,559 --> 00:40:48,519
Speaker 1: They slept on matts all together in the same room,

753
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,880
and she woke up one night and there was her

754
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:55,880
brother standing there beckoning her to come outside and play.

755
00:40:55,920 --> 00:40:59,599
And she thought, well, this is strange, and he goes,

756
00:40:59,599 --> 00:41:02,320
come on, come on, let's go outside and play. She goes,

757
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,280
it's the middle of the night. We can't we'll get

758
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:08,079
in trouble. And he kept, he was, you know, repeatedly.

759
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 5: Asking her to come out and play.

760
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:11,800
Speaker 1: And then she happened to look over and there's her

761
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:17,119
brother asleep right next to her. So there's this this creature,

762
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,519
this thing, whatever it was, was able to take on

763
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:24,960
the image of her brother, and although it still had

764
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:28,039
the black eyes and right, and.

765
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 2: There are other accounts like that. I've tried some in China,

766
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:35,280
and of course in a lot of Asia, there's a

767
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:39,679
whole lure of the hungry ghost and a lot of

768
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,000
you know, some of the Asian people I interviewed about

769
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:45,760
this black eyed children phenomena, they firmly believe that these

770
00:41:45,760 --> 00:41:49,039
things are a manifestation of a hungry ghost. Now that's

771
00:41:49,079 --> 00:41:53,920
a essentially, in short terms, that's a restless spirit that

772
00:41:54,239 --> 00:42:01,119
is sort of stuck, goes down in order to experience

773
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:06,000
and re experience its desires. It's insatiable, whether it's for

774
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,320
food or energy or any number of things. And they

775
00:42:10,360 --> 00:42:15,079
are sometimes described or depicted as having black lives. So again,

776
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,639
you know, this is another case where this modern phenomena

777
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:22,400
has connections to a lot of different aspects of pirenormal.

778
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,599
Speaker 4: Now let me ask you a question as well with

779
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:29,519
the evidence, has anybody ever come back with anything like

780
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:32,960
physical evidence, like would you say, like photographs or audio

781
00:42:33,119 --> 00:42:36,159
talking to the kids, or or they left something behind,

782
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:39,599
or fingerprints of any kind or anything anything like that.

783
00:42:40,559 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 2: No, I've never heard of any of that. Of course,

784
00:42:43,880 --> 00:42:45,480
you can go black our kids. You're going to get

785
00:42:46,079 --> 00:42:49,199
millions of images, and most of them are digitally manipulated.

786
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:52,679
You know. Quite frankly with photograph weally wouldn't do much

787
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,880
just because it's so easily fabricated, really fabricated.

788
00:42:58,960 --> 00:42:59,119
Speaker 5: Yet.

789
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:05,079
Speaker 2: Now, interesting relation to that here is that I have

790
00:43:05,360 --> 00:43:09,199
had some cases on occasion where there were security cameras

791
00:43:09,199 --> 00:43:14,679
present during the encounter with these kids. Fascinating is that

792
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:19,679
very often I do you have to see any security

793
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:25,679
camera footage that is authentic. There have been cases where

794
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:31,000
the I believe the account the encounter is authentic and

795
00:43:31,559 --> 00:43:33,559
there was a grits in the security camera.

796
00:43:34,000 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 4: How about how about the I expand on this a

797
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:37,519
little bit more as well, has there ever been a

798
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:41,079
situation where well, I guess we already touch based on that,

799
00:43:41,119 --> 00:43:44,199
and I'm sorry, go ahead, I'm sorry, Nana. I was

800
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:46,719
gonna say, I was gonna say multiple people, like not

801
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,079
just two, but three people, like maybe like groups of

802
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,880
four at a party or something, and somebody.

803
00:43:51,639 --> 00:43:53,960
Speaker 5: Knocks on there, you know, when the.

804
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,559
Speaker 4: The BK's knock on their door and it's like they're

805
00:43:55,559 --> 00:43:56,800
having a party, It come on in.

806
00:43:56,880 --> 00:43:58,559
Speaker 5: You know, they just don't realize it.

807
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 2: I've never seen a party. I have seen chanses where

808
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,840
there were multiple people who encountered in it at the

809
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:08,119
same time. I don't think I've ever heard of any

810
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:10,280
more than three.

811
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 7: Three, three people who are looting these kids, and you know,

812
00:44:18,559 --> 00:44:21,599
often it's only one of the people, or a couple

813
00:44:21,639 --> 00:44:24,519
occasions have been two of the people who really directly

814
00:44:24,559 --> 00:44:27,039
experienced meeting these kids.

815
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 5: Cool.

816
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,000
Speaker 2: You know, security chad of thing is very odd. It's

817
00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,679
something that's come up on a number of occasions recently.

818
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,400
And once again I have to bring up another paranormal phenomena.

819
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,239
You know, the men in black, and a lot of

820
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:47,079
times these encounters with the men in black, there is

821
00:44:47,239 --> 00:44:51,400
electronic interference and that's something that also seems to happen

822
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:52,920
with these kids on occasions.

823
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,760
Speaker 1: Now, I had recently heard you on Whitley Strieber's show,

824
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,079
and he had actually mentioned that he had had his

825
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:04,199
own black eyed kids experience.

826
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,119
Speaker 5: Yes, so this is.

827
00:45:08,079 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 1: Not just a local phenomenon with people, you know, just

828
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:13,559
writing in stories. I mean, I think that's one of

829
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:16,679
the concerns of the skeptics. It's just that it's more

830
00:45:16,679 --> 00:45:19,760
of an legend and people are just making some stories

831
00:45:19,800 --> 00:45:24,079
that sound cool sending them in. But it needs for

832
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,280
more credible people to be able to tell these stories.

833
00:45:27,599 --> 00:45:29,679
And if there was any type of proof, I mean again,

834
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,639
if we had video or if we had audio or

835
00:45:31,719 --> 00:45:34,800
some type of of proof to help back it up,

836
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,800
that would be great. But you know, that's what we

837
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:39,840
run into dealing with investigating the paranormal anyway, is not

838
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,159
these things don't obviously don't perform on command.

839
00:45:44,599 --> 00:45:47,639
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. And the other reality is if we're

840
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,920
we're trying to gather physical evidence, often it's you know,

841
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,760
to help us in our study. At least that's what

842
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:56,599
I believe. You know, I put in the field the

843
00:45:56,599 --> 00:46:00,400
wrong time and a photograph or piece of video, it

844
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:02,960
is never going to convince the skeptic. It just isn't

845
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,440
you know. There's some amazing pieces out there and the

846
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:10,360
skeptics are come up with some reason or excuse or

847
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:11,679
you know, something to explain it.

848
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,039
Speaker 5: Well, what you have to take breaks.

849
00:46:15,119 --> 00:46:17,119
Speaker 1: So when we come back, we're going to talk more

850
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:20,559
with David the web about the black eyed kid phenomen on.

851
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:24,719
And uh, anyone in the chest has any go extend

852
00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:26,719
with Kurt, I think some up let the phone and

853
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:29,519
we'll last some ask David for you and we'll be

854
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:30,480
right back.

855
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,559
Speaker 5: With Unknown and Radio from the radio.

856
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:06,800
Speaker 1: Welcome back to the Unknown Origin Studio where we talk

857
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:11,519
about everything stream and paranormal. I'm your host, Mark Johnson,

858
00:47:11,559 --> 00:47:14,440
and with me tonight is our guest host Chris Nicoletti.

859
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,239
And tonight we're talking with David Weatherley about his book

860
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:23,199
Black Eyed Children. Now, David, Well, I wanted to talk

861
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:26,639
to you real quick about there have been other phenomenon

862
00:47:27,000 --> 00:47:30,760
with not only just involving children. I've heard stories that

863
00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:34,559
of adults too, that people have witnessed that have had

864
00:47:34,599 --> 00:47:35,199
black eyes.

865
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 5: Have you documented that in your book?

866
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:43,119
Speaker 2: That's not documented in the book For a couple of reasons.

867
00:47:43,159 --> 00:47:45,800
One is therein a number of those stories out there,

868
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:50,239
there aren't as many about black eyed adults. And one

869
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:55,599
of the issues I found when pursuing the accounts, it's

870
00:47:57,320 --> 00:48:03,400
often it's much easier for to do this as a prank.

871
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:07,960
You know, there are black eyed contacts that are available

872
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:11,960
that cover the entire and you know, these accounts I

873
00:48:11,960 --> 00:48:15,480
should emphasize when people are encountering these children, the entire

874
00:48:15,559 --> 00:48:17,800
eye is black. It's not just the pupil, it's the

875
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:21,800
pupil of the square everything. Now, there are contacts that

876
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,960
are available, and that's one of the arguments you'll hear

877
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:28,199
from skeptics as to why all other my gen or hoaxing.

878
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:32,599
But if the contacts they talks about three hundred dollars

879
00:48:32,599 --> 00:48:36,960
for a pair of them, you know they're they're only

880
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:43,400
available from theatrical suppliers. And it's not something that I

881
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:46,400
feel like kids are going to go out and you know,

882
00:48:46,480 --> 00:48:49,599
spend three hundred dollars probably other parents' money to buy

883
00:48:49,679 --> 00:48:56,280
contacts to just randomly scare people they don't know. Adults.

884
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:58,280
On the other hand, you know, occasionally there's been some

885
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:00,599
cases that seemed like it was an interesting an encounter

886
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,559
of a black eyed adult. You'll find someone on the internet,

887
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:06,280
you know, people will see a black guy guy sitting

888
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,800
in the starbuts or something, and quite honestly, you know

889
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,840
that we're very well, maybe some guy who snigged a

890
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:15,000
pair of contacts and just wanted to kind of creep

891
00:49:15,000 --> 00:49:19,360
people out. But it'll be interesting to see what happens

892
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,800
as this phenomena continues to develop, as we continue to

893
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,760
get more information about it, to see some of these

894
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:29,719
encounters with black eyed adults are are as interesting as

895
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:30,440
the woman's children.

896
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 1: Now with this, with this phenomenon, kids, I mean kids using.

897
00:49:42,079 --> 00:49:44,679
Speaker 5: You know, contact is a joke.

898
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:48,599
Speaker 1: I have trouble buying that only because knowing how teenagers

899
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:51,320
are that you know, they could try to go and

900
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:52,039
scare somebody.

901
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 5: If they probably get happy then they start cracking up.

902
00:49:55,519 --> 00:49:58,639
Speaker 1: So as far as some of them seem to take this,

903
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,639
I find it very difficult to believe that this is

904
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:07,800
actually being perpetrated by children doing pranks on people because

905
00:50:07,880 --> 00:50:12,000
if they if it was, you know, they're opening themselves

906
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:13,559
up to the world to hurt. If they do it

907
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:16,280
to the wrong person, that person might get scared enough

908
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:18,599
BacT violently and hurt somebody.

909
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 5: But yet so many.

910
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:26,119
Speaker 1: People have have commented about the feeling almost impelled to

911
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:29,840
follow these children and then the overwhelming feelings of dread

912
00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:35,639
that comes upon them. Yeah, and I've also heard stories

913
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:39,239
people talking about this maybe being demonic in evil spirits

914
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:43,440
trying to gain access into that into their house. You

915
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:45,960
mentioned the one family that let them in and then

916
00:50:46,039 --> 00:50:49,519
had all sorts of bad and negative problems in uh

917
00:50:50,199 --> 00:50:55,079
that went on for years. What can people take from

918
00:50:55,119 --> 00:50:57,840
this type of story? I mean, is this something that

919
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,440
people should really be on the look up and be

920
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:00,840
aware of.

921
00:51:03,400 --> 00:51:05,599
Speaker 2: People always ask, you know, what do I do if

922
00:51:05,639 --> 00:51:08,519
I encounter these kids? And my first response is don't

923
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:13,599
let them in? Because we just don't know. It's very

924
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:17,280
hard at this point to determine. There's some indication that

925
00:51:17,920 --> 00:51:25,199
these kids, if they're not bringing some kind of fortune themselves,

926
00:51:25,679 --> 00:51:28,920
there are some indications that they could be an omen

927
00:51:29,239 --> 00:51:33,800
of difficult things happening. Been a number of cases where

928
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:39,280
someone has encountered one of these kids and afterwards has

929
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:44,280
experienced some unfortunate things in their family. You know, they've

930
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:50,440
had relevance die, you know, they've had that fortunate in

931
00:51:50,519 --> 00:51:58,159
their personal lives. So it's something that is definitely we

932
00:51:58,199 --> 00:52:01,880
should have a lot of caution if we encounter these

933
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:05,840
beings and you know, take whatever measures you feel like

934
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:07,840
on a personal level will help protect you.

935
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:08,840
Speaker 1: Uh.

936
00:52:09,079 --> 00:52:13,639
Speaker 2: It's interesting that a lot of the people who encounter

937
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:18,320
these kids, they're so affected by the experience afterwards that

938
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:22,840
they're turning towards their you know, to a spiritual path,

939
00:52:24,159 --> 00:52:30,920
whether it's one from childhood or a new one. They're

940
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,079
looking for some level of comfort, and that's where a

941
00:52:34,119 --> 00:52:36,719
lot of people end up going. They go to, you know,

942
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:38,559
their version of God. Basically.

943
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 5: Now, we have a question come in from Bill in

944
00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:44,639
that room. Uh.

945
00:52:45,039 --> 00:52:48,559
Speaker 1: He had a question as what is your best bet

946
00:52:48,840 --> 00:52:51,920
as to what this phenomenon could be and your reason

947
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,320
for believing so? And I'll add to that by saying that,

948
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:57,800
I know we talked about different ideas of what this

949
00:52:57,840 --> 00:53:00,679
could possibly be, but what what would your tell you

950
00:53:01,519 --> 00:53:03,880
that this is a paranormal researcher.

951
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 2: Honestly, Now, this this may sound slightly out there, but

952
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:12,760
my belief at this point is that they are some

953
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:19,199
kind of being that exist on a slightly different frequency

954
00:53:19,280 --> 00:53:22,559
or a different level of existence than we do.

955
00:53:23,519 --> 00:53:25,199
Speaker 5: Like a multiff that's happening.

956
00:53:25,840 --> 00:53:28,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think there's some kind of interdimensional being. I

957
00:53:29,039 --> 00:53:32,639
think in some fashion they're either shifting into high level

958
00:53:32,679 --> 00:53:37,360
of existence or there are some conditions that are causing

959
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:42,320
these people to suddenly pre perceive these beings at the time.

960
00:53:43,039 --> 00:53:46,800
And that's what's happening. It's very curious to me. And

961
00:53:46,840 --> 00:53:49,000
one of the things that's the most consistent is that

962
00:53:49,039 --> 00:53:53,280
these kids produce this level of fear and this high

963
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:58,159
level of emotion within people, and it's it seems there

964
00:53:58,199 --> 00:54:01,800
seems to be an indication that that's the goal. And

965
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:04,800
you know, it's speculated that there are some beings that

966
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,480
actually can feed on emotion. That's the case, you know,

967
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:11,199
that may be what these kids are doing, sort of

968
00:54:11,199 --> 00:54:15,840
like a succubust kind of thing, similar similar, similar to

969
00:54:16,079 --> 00:54:21,679
a secubus, but closer possibly to if you're familiar with

970
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:27,960
different term thoughtful, So you know, something that is created

971
00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,880
or co created even by us. You know, there aren't

972
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:37,960
many similarities in the victims of these beings except one

973
00:54:38,039 --> 00:54:40,800
of the things that really stood out to me going

974
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:44,320
through so many cases, what there's an inordinate number of

975
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:49,079
people who are in positions of authority that confront these

976
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:56,880
kids or attracting law enforcement, military doctors, and you know,

977
00:54:56,960 --> 00:54:59,559
there's something to that there. There's you got to be

978
00:54:59,559 --> 00:55:03,159
a reason for that similarity.

979
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:07,760
Speaker 5: Let me ask you this also real quick before you

980
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:09,239
go to the chat question here.

981
00:55:10,840 --> 00:55:14,320
Speaker 4: Has there ever been repeat cases or just one time,

982
00:55:14,400 --> 00:55:16,639
one shot deal and then they never see them ever again.

983
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:25,039
Speaker 2: Most of the time it's a singular incident. There are

984
00:55:25,079 --> 00:55:30,400
a couple of occasions where the person sees one of

985
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,119
these one or more of these children on multiple occasions,

986
00:55:33,119 --> 00:55:34,800
but that's that's pretty rare.

987
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 1: Now, I tend to leave in your direction of what

988
00:55:40,000 --> 00:55:44,239
you're talking about being some type of interdimensional or other

989
00:55:44,360 --> 00:55:49,960
worldly type of beings not necessary spirit, yes, something.

990
00:55:49,679 --> 00:55:51,519
Speaker 5: That's trying to interact on our level.

991
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:54,599
Speaker 1: And the one thing that strikes me is the story

992
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:57,920
that we mentioned previously about the grow in Korea, how

993
00:55:58,039 --> 00:56:00,880
whever it was seemed to impicate the form of her

994
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,199
brother is shape shifter. So it makes I wonder if

995
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:07,519
these kids that are coming up to people's doors are

996
00:56:07,559 --> 00:56:12,360
actually beings, are taking on the image of other kids

997
00:56:12,440 --> 00:56:15,800
or like maybe real people, and they're reproducing it. But

998
00:56:15,840 --> 00:56:18,360
the one thing that they're not able to fully reproduce is.

999
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,920
Speaker 5: The eyes, which are the reason why they're black.

1000
00:56:21,599 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 4: Another thing somebody had mentioned in a couple of stories

1001
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:26,239
that I've read it have been the fact that they're

1002
00:56:26,239 --> 00:56:30,920
taking the appearance of children and their size. It's their size,

1003
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:35,840
that they're so small that it reflects back to ET's grays.

1004
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:37,920
You know, people are you know, the whole idea of

1005
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:40,840
a hybrid. It could be just even grays in disguise

1006
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,159
using some sort of cloaking system or whatever. Somebody said

1007
00:56:44,199 --> 00:56:46,440
something along those lines where they just tye themselves as

1008
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:51,000
a recognizable being that it's going to be more uh,

1009
00:56:51,159 --> 00:56:52,199
you know, non threatening.

1010
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:54,360
Speaker 5: They're thinking it's non threatening to whoever.

1011
00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:57,400
Speaker 4: Goes to answer the door a child, right, and then

1012
00:56:57,440 --> 00:56:59,800
their eyes are black because you know, they just don't

1013
00:56:59,840 --> 00:57:00,800
make up their eyes.

1014
00:57:01,199 --> 00:57:02,599
Speaker 5: I've read that on occasion too.

1015
00:57:03,559 --> 00:57:05,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, it could be. And there's there's a lot of

1016
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:09,599
speculation that they actually are not you know, physically children,

1017
00:57:09,639 --> 00:57:11,679
that there's some kind of beings that are much older

1018
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:15,840
and just taking this disguise, this particular guys in order

1019
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:18,159
to catch people off God. And you know the thing

1020
00:57:18,239 --> 00:57:21,920
is is that quite honestly, that that's factor into the

1021
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:27,679
trauma that these people is experienced because there's something about

1022
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:33,599
mixing children and the paranormal it causes almost a disconnect

1023
00:57:33,639 --> 00:57:35,360
in the brain. You know, I've talked to a lot

1024
00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,199
of these people who've had these encounters, and I believe

1025
00:57:38,199 --> 00:57:41,400
that probably the level of confusion they experience is that

1026
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:45,119
as adults were programmed to think and to feel that

1027
00:57:45,199 --> 00:57:48,760
if a child needs help, you should help them. But

1028
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,840
you know, here we have a condition where we're fighting

1029
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:56,760
our nature wanting to help these children because something about

1030
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,599
the situation is causing an incredible level of fear, and

1031
00:58:01,039 --> 00:58:05,679
that does very strange things to people's mind and emotions.

1032
00:58:06,599 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 1: Now, talking about that fear, this brings up another question

1033
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:13,280
that came into the chat room is do you consider

1034
00:58:13,440 --> 00:58:18,480
these these entities malevolent because they produce this fear or

1035
00:58:18,519 --> 00:58:22,119
maybe is it a byproduct of the experience.

1036
00:58:25,199 --> 00:58:31,320
Speaker 2: That's honestly difficult to answer with complete confidence. It's that

1037
00:58:32,599 --> 00:58:38,039
on the surface, there are a lot of sinister implications to

1038
00:58:38,119 --> 00:58:43,639
these encounters, and you know, at the same time, it's

1039
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:47,960
hard to deny that, in some curious way, a lot

1040
00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:51,079
of people who experience these beings seem to get on

1041
00:58:51,239 --> 00:58:56,800
a better spiritual path afterwards. So it's something that I

1042
00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,559
think is still sort of up in the air. You know,

1043
00:59:01,599 --> 00:59:04,559
it may it may just be a case where if

1044
00:59:04,599 --> 00:59:06,760
it's some kind of an interdimensional being, we may just

1045
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:12,880
not understand completely what's happening during the encounter.

1046
00:59:15,679 --> 00:59:19,119
Speaker 1: Now, another question that's is from big in the Question

1047
00:59:19,599 --> 00:59:23,679
and the Room is how many cases are actually reported

1048
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,559
and has there been an increase in sightings in our

1049
00:59:26,679 --> 00:59:31,320
contacts of these children? I guess, I guess that would

1050
00:59:32,400 --> 00:59:34,920
we have to figure in what time frame she she's

1051
00:59:34,960 --> 00:59:35,519
talking about.

1052
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 2: Well, if you're talking about modern accounts, it's something that

1053
00:59:43,559 --> 00:59:48,880
is definitely growing over the last several years. Now. I

1054
00:59:48,960 --> 00:59:51,519
attribute that to you a couple of things. One, it's

1055
00:59:51,519 --> 00:59:56,639
just the incredible level of social network and communication we

1056
00:59:56,760 --> 01:00:00,920
now have with people around the world. And two, you know,

1057
01:00:01,119 --> 01:00:05,519
the paranormal has become slipped in the last ten years,

1058
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,719
so it's created a new level of comfort for people

1059
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,119
to talk about unusual things that they've experienced. I mean,

1060
01:00:13,159 --> 01:00:15,039
I can remember when I got involved in the field.

1061
01:00:15,599 --> 01:00:17,239
It was like going to eat to try to get

1062
01:00:17,840 --> 01:00:21,039
information out of people about accounts and stories and things

1063
01:00:21,079 --> 01:00:23,079
like that, because it was just people don't want to

1064
01:00:23,079 --> 01:00:25,880
talk about it. It was weird. And you know, now

1065
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:27,840
it's cool you walk into a party and say you're

1066
01:00:27,880 --> 01:00:30,760
a paranormal investigator, and you know, everybody wants to wind

1067
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:31,840
up and tell you their.

1068
01:00:31,719 --> 01:00:36,599
Speaker 1: Story, but it certainly opens up a lot more doors

1069
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,719
this day and age. I mean, you are at radio,

1070
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,440
We're talking to Skype or Facebook and listening to different

1071
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,719
internet radio shows from all over the country, and so

1072
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,320
we are a process information faster than ever before. And

1073
01:00:52,360 --> 01:00:56,679
of course the paranormal has just been exploding the last

1074
01:00:56,679 --> 01:01:00,880
few years with all these different shows and group popping.

1075
01:01:00,599 --> 01:01:01,440
Speaker 5: Up left and right.

1076
01:01:02,280 --> 01:01:06,639
Speaker 1: Absolutely now with your your own group too, cross paranormal.

1077
01:01:07,679 --> 01:01:10,840
Have you ever got to personally investigate these black eyed

1078
01:01:10,880 --> 01:01:12,079
kid cases in your area?

1079
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:16,719
Speaker 2: You know, first of all, travel pretty extensive ways. I

1080
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:22,000
literally investigate cases all over the world. I've been the

1081
01:01:22,039 --> 01:01:29,960
locations where the kids have you been encountered, But as

1082
01:01:29,960 --> 01:01:33,199
a start of before, I've never encountered them personally, and

1083
01:01:33,360 --> 01:01:36,559
I've never found any physical evidence from the encounters. Now,

1084
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:39,320
you know, the reasons for that kid, I think is

1085
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:44,079
that most of the time these kids, they're not really active.

1086
01:01:44,159 --> 01:01:46,559
When they show up at people's houses, they tend to

1087
01:01:46,679 --> 01:01:50,119
knock on doors. Curiously enough, I've never heard of one

1088
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:54,559
ringing their throwbell, and and all the cases I've investigated,

1089
01:01:54,599 --> 01:02:01,320
they always knock. They they don't really, they don't carry

1090
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:05,159
anything with them. They don't you know, young kids. If

1091
01:02:05,159 --> 01:02:07,440
it was a normal kid, you know, one of them's

1092
01:02:07,480 --> 01:02:10,880
going to have a skateboard on an iPod or something.

1093
01:02:10,880 --> 01:02:13,599
And nobody ever reports that from any of these kids.

1094
01:02:13,960 --> 01:02:17,559
They're never carrying anything, they're never holding anything. They usually

1095
01:02:17,599 --> 01:02:22,480
have their hands down by their sides or in their pockets.

1096
01:02:22,559 --> 01:02:25,960
You know, they don't touch things. It's just it's very curious.

1097
01:02:26,039 --> 01:02:30,519
It's not typical child behavior. So there's really not a

1098
01:02:30,559 --> 01:02:34,239
whole lot of physical evidence we can look for in

1099
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:39,039
these situations, which again they said, all the more curious.

1100
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:44,400
Speaker 1: Is there any relation to black eyed kids' stories in

1101
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:47,800
compared to let's say, you know over in England or

1102
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:52,440
Ireland Scotland, where they have the stories of the fairies

1103
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:57,159
and the els Leprechaun, the little folk over in those areas,

1104
01:02:57,199 --> 01:02:59,519
and there's a lot of different stories that you know,

1105
01:02:59,519 --> 01:03:01,559
in America when they hear this stuff, they think of

1106
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:04,519
the movies and you know, the Tinkerbell and all that.

1107
01:03:04,599 --> 01:03:08,920
But you know, we talked with Barry Fitzgerald recently and

1108
01:03:09,039 --> 01:03:12,199
you know, living over in Ireland and talking about some

1109
01:03:12,239 --> 01:03:14,639
of the you know, the darker stories that come in

1110
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:18,480
from the islands over there is do you think that

1111
01:03:18,559 --> 01:03:22,440
there's any relation with those types of stories compared with

1112
01:03:22,519 --> 01:03:23,880
these black eyed kids stories?

1113
01:03:25,039 --> 01:03:27,000
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny day with a Friendomiland. We were

1114
01:03:27,039 --> 01:03:32,760
actually talking about this very topic today, so interesting time.

1115
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:36,039
And there are some correlations. There's a little bit of

1116
01:03:36,079 --> 01:03:38,039
that covered in the book. The thing that I found

1117
01:03:38,039 --> 01:03:40,480
the most similar were some of the tales of changelings,

1118
01:03:41,079 --> 01:03:45,400
which in classical fairy lore is a case where fairies

1119
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:51,519
replace a shaman child with a fay child, and you know,

1120
01:03:51,639 --> 01:03:55,079
and some of those stories it's indicated that the child

1121
01:03:55,159 --> 01:04:00,719
would have a strange appearance, whether it's different eyes or whatnot,

1122
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:05,599
and you know, it's something that needs to be explored

1123
01:04:05,639 --> 01:04:08,880
a little bit more. But they're definitely some correlations, and

1124
01:04:09,639 --> 01:04:13,239
people in the United States particularly don't realize that there's

1125
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:17,599
a very sort of dark semester side to classical fairy lore,

1126
01:04:17,920 --> 01:04:20,440
and a lot of people hear the mistakes, as you said,

1127
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:23,079
are used to seeing tinker Bell or you know, happy

1128
01:04:23,159 --> 01:04:26,920
dancing fairies, and the reality is much different when you

1129
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:30,239
start looking into some of those classical stories. So I

1130
01:04:30,280 --> 01:04:33,960
think it's another indication that once again, this phenomena is

1131
01:04:34,000 --> 01:04:37,840
something that we've been dealing with for a long long time,

1132
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:39,880
and we just have to keep exploring it in order

1133
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:40,920
to understand.

1134
01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:45,559
Speaker 1: What's the one aspect of this phenomena that you would

1135
01:04:45,559 --> 01:04:49,119
say just fascinates you the most, where or at least

1136
01:04:49,800 --> 01:04:51,079
sticks out to you the most.

1137
01:04:53,559 --> 01:04:55,960
Speaker 2: The two things that stick out to me the most,

1138
01:04:56,039 --> 01:05:01,039
I think are one this level of that is produced

1139
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:05,679
in people who encounter these kids. You know, there there's

1140
01:05:05,719 --> 01:05:12,599
similarities with infrasound. Uh, there's similarities with something else going

1141
01:05:12,639 --> 01:05:15,599
on on a vibrational level, and that to me is

1142
01:05:15,639 --> 01:05:18,400
an indication that there's there's something these kids are emitting.

1143
01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,480
You know. In fact, Bari and I were talking about

1144
01:05:21,480 --> 01:05:24,320
this today. It's when people are encountering these kids. It's

1145
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:26,800
not the fact that they have black eyes that's producing

1146
01:05:27,199 --> 01:05:28,239
that level of fear.

1147
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:29,559
Speaker 4: You know, that's.

1148
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:32,000
Speaker 2: Simply what It would be unusual and it would be

1149
01:05:32,079 --> 01:05:35,199
unsettling to see someone with solid black eyes, but that

1150
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:38,480
alone would not cause a person to experience the level

1151
01:05:38,480 --> 01:05:40,320
of fear they experience in these.

1152
01:05:40,239 --> 01:05:45,519
Speaker 4: Encounters like euphoria something along those lines, sort of like

1153
01:05:45,559 --> 01:05:48,519
that sense of uncertainty or you.

1154
01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:52,239
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, yeah, but it's you know, it's the curse.

1155
01:05:52,440 --> 01:05:54,280
The closest thing I've been able to equate it to

1156
01:05:54,400 --> 01:06:00,400
is infrasound because these people they often feel, you know,

1157
01:06:00,480 --> 01:06:03,760
one Wayy described it to me as a feeling like she,

1158
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:07,320
you know, drank three pots of coffee or something, and

1159
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,599
just that she was, you know, she was shaking her

1160
01:06:09,679 --> 01:06:14,639
nervese with jitterally. She she couldn't and she couldn't dial

1161
01:06:14,679 --> 01:06:18,519
the phone very easily, said the level of fear and

1162
01:06:18,679 --> 01:06:20,239
nervousness at the same time.

1163
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 4: What is what is a frequency on that There's a

1164
01:06:23,840 --> 01:06:27,000
certain frequency what it is I don't know, if it's

1165
01:06:27,039 --> 01:06:30,840
like five she hurts or something weird, there's a certain frequency.

1166
01:06:30,880 --> 01:06:34,920
Once you get below that number, it's uh, it's the

1167
01:06:34,960 --> 01:06:36,159
freak out factor.

1168
01:06:36,760 --> 01:06:38,519
Speaker 5: You know what I mean, that's that's right.

1169
01:06:38,679 --> 01:06:42,400
Speaker 2: But the reality is that infestund actually doesn't affect everyone

1170
01:06:42,440 --> 01:06:45,719
in the same way. Yeah, I've taught to people who

1171
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,320
specifically experienced infrasound, and there's actually quite a variety in

1172
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,320
how people respond to it. And some people carries enough

1173
01:06:53,360 --> 01:06:55,400
do you feel it strictly in their nervous systems and

1174
01:06:55,480 --> 01:06:59,880
they just get very jittery. But the feeling of panic

1175
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:04,880
comes over some people from Infrasoun. You know, the fact,

1176
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:07,119
this feeling that they have to run away, that they

1177
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:10,760
have to get away, and you know, that's that comes

1178
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,280
up in these cases what these black dot children. And

1179
01:07:14,039 --> 01:07:17,239
at the same time, these people experienced this mental confusion

1180
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:22,000
because these kids they speak in these very monotone sentences

1181
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:24,559
and they repeat the same things, you know, over and

1182
01:07:24,599 --> 01:07:27,000
over and over again, and they're they're trying to lull

1183
01:07:27,119 --> 01:07:31,119
people into it. It's as if a type of hypnosis

1184
01:07:31,199 --> 01:07:34,679
or mind control is being attempted during these encounters, and

1185
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:39,440
they're really trying to convince these people to let them

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inside or let them in the car, or whatever it

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is that they're requested.

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Speaker 5: Hans, what you said earlier about the whole et hybrid

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thing too mind, Yes, yes, no, that's kind of.

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Speaker 1: A question from the chat room asking in all the

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reports that you have researched, what's the youngest age of

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one of these children that's been reported.

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Speaker 2: One of the black guyed children the youngest And bear

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in mind these people are estimating the age, but there

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are some people who estimate these children to be around

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eight years old as the youngest age. Effort most of

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them seem to fall in the range of about ten

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to thirteen. That's the most common age that I hear

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with these kids.

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Speaker 5: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're actually coming up towards the end of the hour.

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So David is wondering if you could tell people where

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they can find your book, Black Guyed Children.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's available at Leptonpress dot com. Shorter from there,

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it's a signed edition, if that makes any difference to it.

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It's also on Amazon dot com and you can follow

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my work. I currently have a blog up which is

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two Crows Paranormal dot blogspot dot com spell out the

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two and it was a patch on there from my Facebook,

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I have a Twitter feed and everything else. I welcome

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people to follow me on friend me on Facebook, and

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if you have accounts with these Black Eyed Kids, feel

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free to send me an email.

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Speaker 1: Now, are you to be making an appearances? Do you

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do any lectures or anything?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm I'm kind of all over the place this year.

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I am, we'll see I'm at the Sacramento Paranormal Summit

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in June. That's a middle June. That's going to be

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a phenomenal event. Paul Bradford from GHI, Phil Murphy, Anthony Sancez,

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Scotty Who. There's lots of great people there. That's a

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Sacramento UFO Paranormal Summit, sach UFO Con I think is

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the website. I'm also at the Alamo UFO conference in

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Nevada next week, I'm at I'm at Scarefest this year

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and lest in Kentucky. That's the country's largest penormal horror convention.

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Speaker 5: As well. I may see you down there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's that's an incredible event. Lots of lots

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of great genrmal speakers and authors there. I am at

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Wake Up Now and Albuquerque, and a handful wrote to thank,

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some of which aren't aren't confirmed yet, so just yeah,

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check me out on Facebook and at the moment that's

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the best way to follow me with my coming events.

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Speaker 1: Great now, Chris, you also are going to be appearing

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at some events here soon, aren't you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we're actually we're doing the New York Paranormal Expo

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twenty twelve.

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Speaker 5: You can actually just google it.

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Speaker 4: We'll find all the information, the address, how you cat

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you know, sign up for it and get down, you know,

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get up there.

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Speaker 5: There's quite a few people going up for that one.

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It's for Brianna Wiler.

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Speaker 4: She's twelve year old girl assistant fibrosis. She's you know,

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taking you know the girls, going through a lot in

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her life and so you know, so we're going up.

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Speaker 5: We're going up to support her.

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Speaker 4: All proceeds go to her from one understand, So we're

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going up to do that. That's June sixteenth and seventeenth.

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That weekend. After that, we have our own event Red

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Mill and Clinton, New Jersey with Thrown Together for August

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fourth July. We're kind of doing a lot of residential

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01:11:06,319 --> 01:11:08,520
stuff we got going on, so we're not doing too

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much on the expos. In August twenty fifth, we have

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with Scared Paranormal and I think you Mark and Lauren

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right are coming along for this.

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Speaker 5: Yah. We're gonna do Fort Mifflin.

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Speaker 4: We were doing the we're doing August twenty fifth, six

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pm to midnight is the public ghost hunt and people

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can sign up for that on the Fort Mifflin website.

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Just do a Google search for them. It's gonna be

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a great time. Brian's joining us. We want to collector

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you know, Chris is gonna be out there for Scared

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01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,359
always guy. Everybody's coming out to do this. You know,

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my team's out there. It's gonna be a great time.

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You know, got a lot of you know, little things

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going on, little surprise stuff happening as well. You have

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Medium on board, so we got that. And then I said,

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we just signed up with Haunted Entertainment that we're working

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with them right now and we're doing a lot of

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events coming up with them.

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Speaker 5: One of them. They're also looking towards scare Fest as well.

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Speaker 4: I think it's September, it is, and uh, and then

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I'm going in and September right and September twenty eight thirtieth,

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I believe, right, And then also yeah, I'm going to La.

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I'm going to do some filming for a national TV show.

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Uh in about like I guess what three weeks?

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Speaker 5: Excellent? Well that's crip.

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Speaker 1: Well again, thank you both coming on tonight, David, Thank

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you very much for coming on and talking to us.

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And hopefully I can just scare Fest too, because I'm

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love to beat you in person.

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Speaker 5: We can hang out and swap stories.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good.

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Speaker 5: It's been great. Yeah, I'm been hooking with you up

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on Facebook, so sounds good. And Chris coming on and

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out tonight and anytime. Mark give me a call.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and well that for this edition of Unknown Origins Radio,

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tune in here, everything here on Local Skill Online, and

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we've sent off with the motivate the goot to the week.

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Speaker 5: While it's true.

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Speaker 1: That music has the park to smoos the savagee, I

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still feel safer with a big abscut.

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Speaker 5: Have a great nice but

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Speaker 1: H