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and Tarot card master Julia Gordon Braemer and Julie and

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I have a deep, deep conversation about the origins of

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tarot cards, how to use them, how to watch for scams,

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and we also talk about the future of the economy

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of the world, her predictions for the rest of twenty

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twenty four, and much much more. Let's dive in. I

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like to welcome to the show, Julia, Gordon Bramerhi you

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and Julia.

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Speaker 2: Hi, nice to be here. Alex, thank you.

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Speaker 1: So much for coming on the show. I'm really looking

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forward to talking to you because i know just enough

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to be dangerous with tarot cards, and I've never had

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anyone on the show who's an expert in and who's

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been doing it for a long time, and I'm looking

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forward to diving into that world because it's something that

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many many people around the world know. So my first

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question is what gets you interested in tarot cards and

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doing all of that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, in my book Tarot Life Lessons, it's the

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first chapter as sort of the story of how I

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came into tarot and found my psychic abilities, both of

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which happened around the age of sixteen. And the story goes,

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you know, just to paraphrase it, I was walking around

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the mall on a hot Soday and in the nineteen

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seventies and came upon a magic shop. And back then,

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magic shops weren't what they are today, like you know,

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today we have our metaphysical stores and our crystals and

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our pendulusm pendulums and all of that. Back then, it

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was tricks. You know. It was gag gifts and rabbits

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out of hats and you know, trails of silk scarves

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and all of that. And so I wandered into this

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shop just looking at the goofy stuff, and a girl

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behind the counter emotions to me and says, you want

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to see some real magic. And I come over and

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she shows me these parrot cards and that was it.

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And so I talk about how I flunk down my

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babysitting money, and they were a part of my life

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for the next forty five plus years. I'm sixty now.

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Speaker 1: Really that literally sounds like the beginning of an eight.

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You go into a magic shop, you want to see

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some real magic, and then you buy a gremlin and

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you take them home. It's a whole thing, right, So

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let's go into tarot exactly. So what are the origins,

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What are the historical origins of tarot cards? When did

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they first come on the scene, all of that.

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Speaker 2: So what we know definitely, Yeah, what we know definitely

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is the oldest deck that has been found is in

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a museum in Milan in Italy from the fourteen hundreds,

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so we know they're at least as old as you know,

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the Renaissance and in the Crusades, and I think that's

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an important part. So there's lore around the tarot. And

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then here's where the Crusades come in, because of course

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the Crusades were when the Catholic Church was the government,

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and they were kind of terrible to a lot of

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people who were not Casholic. It's including the Romani travelers

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known as the Gypsies. It's not not a not a

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nice word anymore. But but a lot of people have

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used that term over the many years, and and also

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the Jews. So Taro is uh, you know, Taro embodies

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a lot of of belief systems. It's got numerology and

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it's got mythology, and the the lore is that the

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Gypsies traveled with this card game. Should the authority say anything,

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but it actually contained a lot of mystical secrets and

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was also of course used for fortune telling and divination.

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Taro is structured on the Kabbala tree of life, Kabbala

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being ancient Jewish mysticism. So we have two sort of

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repressed cultures there, you know, which are unite did in

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the Taro and and so there's just all of this, uh,

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you know, deep spiritual information encoded in the cards with

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their pictures and their meanings and the numbers on the cards. Uh,

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the astrology associated with the cards. There's you know, all

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these different influences. And so the lore is just that

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these were secrets, you know, embedded and carried along. That

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part cannot be proven, and a diehard Tarot scholar is

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going to say just just rumors, just lore, but it's

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kind of fun.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely so, so they basically, so they have Italian origins,

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essentially Renaissance origins.

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a very old which of course demicize French. Some people

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hold that there are Egyptian secrets and that there are

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Egyptian versions of taro. Certainly Egyptian versions of taro have

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been made in you know, the last hundred years, but

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we don't have any ancient Egyptian evidence, you know that

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they used it. But you know, I kind of think

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as a as a spiritual gourmet. You know, I have

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a little of this and a little of that. I

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see that that truth is truth is truth across all

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these religions and mystic practices and so much as is shared.

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You know what what Carl Jung would call the collective

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consciousness and and it's or I believe he may have

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called it unconsciousness because we weren't aware of it. But

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the shared body of knowledge what people today would call

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the acacic records. And we all have these unifying ideas

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and and even across cultures, we all have symbols that

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are represented in the tarot. Uh. You know, every culture

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has a mother figure, a father figure, the lovers, the warrior,

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the wise man, the wheel of fortune with blessings, or

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the tower with tragedies. We all share this, no matter

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where we come from and what kind of person we are.

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experience and reflects, you know, where we're going and and

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our ideas and our hopes and our dreams.

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Speaker 1: So how did the tarot evolve to what it is

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today from those old decks that the oldest decks that

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we have access to at this moment, How did they

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how did they evolve and how did they kind of

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melt into the zeitgeist into something that was in the

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back corner of a magic shop to kind of a

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little bit more mainstream, not completely mainstream, but a lot

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of people understand and have heard of tarot cards and

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understand what they kind of understand what they do. How

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did that evolve in the revolution happen over the last

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six hundred plus years.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that's kind of a hard question. So

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when it was hidden and in medieval or or i

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could say Renaissance Italy, it was used as a card

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game and there are people who still play tarot as

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a card game today called taroki or tarok versions of that.

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But so I could play a game of cards with

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my tarot peck in the same way that I could

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take a regular deck of playing cards, and I could

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read fortunes from that because I know enough about the

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taro to know how the symbols relate, and what would

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be the spades and the deck of playing cards becomes

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the soul words in the tarot, and what would be

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the hearts, what becomes the cups, and you know, they

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have these interchangeable meanings. So so some people do still

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play card games. And certainly it was you know, card

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games in Renaissance Italy were for royalty. Most Italians were

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working and out in the fields or the bakeries or

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or you know, doing whatever their their skill was.

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Speaker 2: And so the people of leisure played games. So so

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Taro was a game initially. Now I think taro really

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got radically transformed around the turn of the century, you know,

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just in Victorian times when we're looking at the Golden Dawn.

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The Golden Dawn was a group of mystics. W. B. Yates,

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the famous writer, was a part of it. You know

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a lot of famous authors and writers have been connected

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and directly and indirectly with the Golden Dawn, and most

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famously probably Alister Crowley, the you know, I don't know

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if you want to call him the great mystic or

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the controversial mystic, we'll say, but so so. Crowley and

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the Golden Dawn really modernized the tarot. They aligned it

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perfectly with the Kabala try of life. They saw the

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correlations and the similarities. Many people had either seen it

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or intuited it, going back to like William Blake in

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early England, before the Tarot had reached England. Blake had

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just intuited his own version of taro. And him being

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an artist and a poet, there's I have. I have

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a copy of the William Blake Tarot. It's really phenomenal

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and it's so close to the tarot that did come

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to England, you know, more than one hundred years after

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the fact. But he just felt it all. You know,

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this is a system of our behavior, This is a

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system of you know, who how how we maneuver ourselves

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in the world, and and the things we come up on.

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Crowley and the Hermetic Order of the Golden Dawn, they

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did a couple switcheroos. Most notably, they switched the Justice

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card and the Strength card to perfectly align. When I

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said they switched, they changed the number, they changed the ordering.

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They made the Strength used to be the eleventh and

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they made it the eighth and Justice vice versa. But

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they uh what they did with you know, I use

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the universal weight, also called the writer weight. This is

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the best deck to learn on, I think, And they

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so perfectly captured the meanings in the pictures. Really credit

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to the artist Pamela Coleman Smith who worked with Arthur

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Waite to do that. And I have had clients who

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look at these pictures and they can read it with

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no knowledge of the tarot because they're just feeling the pictures,

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because the pictures are so loaded with emotion or what

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they're going through, sometimes literal symbols. You know. The magic

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of the tarot is how do the right cards fall

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at the right time with these specific questions. It's not

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an easy you know, certainly that's the spiritual component to it.

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into modern times. Carl Jung, the famous psychologist, he used taro.

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He used it with his patients. He believed it was

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a way to expand our consciousness and to see into

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our subconscious and what was kind of ruling us that way.

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a long winded explanation.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a perfect explanation. I'm fascinated, especially when

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you start going into the historical aspects of things, because

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I always liked because you know, taro, just like numerology,

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just like astrology, has gone into the wu a little

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bit too much, a little woo woo, very discredited, kind

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of like other crazy if they think that or that,

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kind of those kind of things. And I really like

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to connect grounded to like, well wait a minute, where, yeah, truly,

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where did these cards come from? I can't believe this

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was just made by somebody in Wisconsin somewhere in a factory.

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historical background to it, and it's and if there's a

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historical aspect to it, there's also a mystical and spiritual

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aspect to. So that's why I'd like to ask the

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Speaker 2: I liken it to dream analysis. So you know, we

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and it's a symbol, you know. I actually just wrote

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big tree in the middle of the road that I

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could not get past, you know. So it's this obstacle,

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this thing I can't get around, right, you know. And

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and so I have to say to myself, you know,

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is this a relationship or is this a work problem?

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this tree and identify it for myself. Well, reading tarot

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cards is similar that way. So you know, I may

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pull up the strength card and know that this is

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a time that is really challenging my strength. Maybe I'm

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maybe I have to step into my strength. Maybe I don't,

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maybe I'm doubting my strength, you know. And uh, and

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so what I'm going through at the moment is really

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going to help with the reading and show you know,

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like the tarot card reader doesn't necessarily know you, doesn't

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know what you're what's happening or where you come from

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or whatever. So so the person I'm reading for is

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reading it with me. You know, I'm just saying I'm

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seeing this symbol, and I'm seeing this symbol, and this

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is applying to you, and this is what I'm getting here,

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and you're processing it. You're going, oh, right, that's my

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spouse or that's my mom, or this is my job

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or you know, you're putting it together with what you're

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Speaker 1: So let's let's let's dive into what tarot is because

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you've been talking about strength cards and this card or

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that card. What exactly is the system?

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 1: What are these pictures? What do they mean? How to

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the quarterly in a reading or in any aspect of

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what you're doing with them? Can you explain what this is?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So so most of us have seen some

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tarot cards, you know, especially in the movies. Right, We've

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seen the death card, We've seen the lover's cards, you know,

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we've we've seen coined the coin, right right, and you

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know in led Zeppelin's fourth album they put the hermit

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on you know, with his you know, on top of

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the mountain with his lantern and everything. So so these

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are iconic cultural images, but most people don't know much

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beyond that. In the tarot there are seventy eight cards altogether,

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so a few more than the traditional playing deck. When

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I say I can read fortunes or whatever from a

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traditional deck of cards, that is with what we would

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call the my or arkana, so fifty six or well

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the fifty six and the taro fifty two. I believe

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in a regular playing deck, right, not counting the jokers

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and so so in the taro we have the major

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arcana and we have the minor arcana. The major arcana

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is twenty two cards, and it's those superstars that you

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see like in Hollywood, the lovers and the death card

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and the Hermit and all the rest. The minor arkana

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is the more mundane day to day details. So the

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major covers the big events, those those milestones, and the

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minor ar kana is sort of the day to day

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stuff and the ideas. They both work together because it

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all happens together. Not every day is a major arcana day.

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Not every day we're getting married or having babies, or

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or graduating or divorcing or you know, all of the

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things that the majors express. A lot of times it's

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just putting those to the grindstone and getting the job done,

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or having some kind of minor conflict with somebody. So

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it all shows up within the taro. Every every as

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I said, every culture experiences these things within the minor arkana,

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just like in a regular deck. We have four suits,

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so we have the cups, we have the wands, we

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have the pentacles, and we have the swords. And the

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idea is that these suits embody you know, they're the elements.

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So pentacles are earth, and wands are fire, and cups

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are water and swords are air. There's also the idea

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that they embody different sorts of actions. So cups are love,

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pentacles are work and career. I'm doing this all out

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of order. I know, uh, ones our ideas and excitement

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or I'm sorry, you know, imagination and inspiration and enthusiasm,

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and swords are about action and striking out. So they

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have their meanings within their suits, and then the numerology

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of them gives us more meanings. So faces the ones

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are about you know, going solo and new beginnings and

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fresh starts and new loves and things like that. The

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twos tend to be duality. They tend to be couples

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they you know, and any sort of.

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Speaker 2: The threes tend to be like a commitment sort of card.

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The fours tend to be stability. I think of like

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four table lengths, you know. Fives tend to be conflict

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and on on. So each number has its meaning, and

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each suit has its meaning, and the way they work

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together will tell a story. So the two of cups,

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for instance, is two people joining in love. This can

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be a best friend, This could be a lover for life,

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this could be you know, some other sort of harmonious

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joining does not have to be a lover. When it's

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along with the lover's card, it usually is. You know.

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The way the cards work together tell the story. So

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I put the cards down, and depending on the question,

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I see where they fall. I see how the cards

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interact with each other, how they may look at each

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other or not, you know, any sort of conflicts. It's all.

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It's all a big picture telling a story.

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Speaker 1: And how if I remember, I mean, I've probably had

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my cards thrown at one point or another in my life.

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I haven't done it in the long line a long time.

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But how does it? How do you cut it, and

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how do how many cards do you pull and all

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of that kind of stuff. Where is the process of

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at Okay?

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Speaker 2: So you know, Alex, if you called me up and said, hey, Julie,

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I want to have a reading, you know, and let's

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let's book some time, and let's say you did fifteen

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or twenty minutes. And if you had no specific question,

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you just wanted a reading. I do something general, and

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I probably do what we call the Celtic cross, which

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is an eleven card spread, and it's a little bit

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of past, present, in future, and it gets into your

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longer range future, which I read is like the next

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couple of years, and just sort of you know who

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you are now, what you've been through, uh, what's happening

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at the moment, where you're going in the near future,

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and then that farther out future, and it can offer

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you some advice. I like to tell my clients, you know,

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Tarot shows you the path that you're on. If we

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see something coming up that you don't like, it's an

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opportunity to do it differently. So I'm never going to

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tell you you're doomed. You know, I believe I can

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read your cards because we're connected just by being alive. Uh.

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When I'm reading for you, I am tapping into you.

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I believe that your life force is God as mine is.

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I don't tell people how to do God or what

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to call God. That's your business. But I'm I'm like,

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all right, you know we're a part of this thing.

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You know we can put We can put the sperm

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in the egg and the test tube and create life,

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but that sperm and egg have to be alive first.

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You know that life force is bigger than us and

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not in our ability to create that. And you know, consequently,

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I believe that when we go away, that life force

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doesn't die. Energy doesn't die. It just goes somewhere else.

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Science has proven that. So you can call it energy,

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you can call it source. I do not tell people

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what to believe, but if you can sign on to that,

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if you can say, all right, I'm alive, I'm hooked

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into this God system, whatever however you want to frame it,

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then you do have great power. And what we put

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our mind on grows, you know, So just in the

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same way that the athlete keeps their eyes on the prize,

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and an athlete does not be little him or herself

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and say I'm not strong enough, I'm not fast enough,

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you know. And an athlete does not obsess over what

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could go wrong, you know, what if I trip and fall,

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what if I don't make it to the finish line,

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you know, because that opens up the space for that

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negative thing to happen. So I'm giving you with the

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tarot a heads up, and I'm letting you see where

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your energy is going kind of organically at the moment,

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and then you can go I don't like that, And

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then I say, okay, Alex, that's your opportunity to change

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it and to go for what you want, not what

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you don't want. Because what we put our mind on grows,

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and we're always growing what we put our attention on.

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So if we're very negative, I mean, you know, I

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tell people, with all this politics going on today, love

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him or hate him, we have grown Donald Trump because

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all the attention's been on him, you know, good or bad.

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If your focus is on loving someone or if your

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focus is on hating someone, you're growing that energy of

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that person, you know. So so you know the thing

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is you put your energy where you want it to be,

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you know, where you find peace, where where you can

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be the highest good and the greatest blessing. So when

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I work with my clients, and you know, I can

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say that in my earlier days of being a professional,

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I probably, you know, I was still stretching my wings

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and figuring myself out. And I don't know that we're

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ever totally evolved, but I've evolved a lot over the

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last you know, twenty years or so of being a

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pro doing this. I've been reading since I was sixteen,

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so over forty five years, you know, just as a reader.

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But I'm talking out for money, and and you know,

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in the earlier days, I would get a lot of

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parties and a lot of sort of you know, does

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he like me? You know, this kind of silly kid questions,

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and and my clients. Now I'm attracting a much more

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highly evolved, spiritual caliber of client that wants to be

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here for a reason and wants to make this world

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a better place and wants to show up in their

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highest self and self actualize, which is my goal too.

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I mean, I think that we're called right now. When

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I say we, I'm talking about me, my clients. People

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like you who are We're at service to the world

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to be a light in a very dark time and

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the world needs us more than ever, and so we

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are and the Tarot can be a guide to get

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you there.

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Speaker 1: Julie, I have to ask you because when you started this, uh,

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it wasn't it wasn't the cool thing to be a

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Tarrant card. It wasn't it was it wasn't quite accepted. Uh,

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it's not. I mean, in the scope of the of

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the abilities that I've had on this show, tarot is

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one of the more mundane, meaning more acceptable as opposed

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to being a psychic medium. I see dead people, or

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I'm a channel and I channel entities and all of that.

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That's so Tarot lower on the acceptability more kind of

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They look at you kind of like, really, how did

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you come out publisher to do this professionally? How did

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you deal with colleagues, your friends, your family, she nuts

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what's going on? How did you How did they deal

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with it? And how did you deal with the world

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dealing with it when you came out of the Tarot

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Clark the Tarot closet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I've always been the black sheep in my family,

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you know.

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Speaker 1: Surprisingly so have I surprisingly the weirdos do that. It's okay,

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it's okay, Yeah, we just.

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Speaker 2: Came out of the gate that way, right. Yeah. You know,

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I have a sister two years younger who's like, you know,

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quite intellectual, and I have a brother who's a philosophy PhD.

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Speaker 1: And I you know, you know, great great Christmas and thanksgivings.

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Speaker 3: So you can imagine it's sort of like, oh, Julia,

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you know, Julia, my other my little sister.

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Speaker 2: She gets me, she get me. But but uh, and

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I don't think my mother has ever known what to

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do with me. Yeah, you know, so some of us,

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you know, just just don't really fit. Uh. And you're right,

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you know, as a teenager, it's funny. I think most

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psychics that I have met, and I wump myself in

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that group. I think as teens, you know, we get

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we get labeled. First of all, the world wants to

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call you over sent That's that's a key thing. Almost

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every psychic is going to be, you know, kind of

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punished and blamed and called over sensitive. Like just get

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over it. And even though you're seeing and feeling what

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you know is to be the truth, you got to

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shut up and pretend it's all fine, you know. And

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so like a lot of psychics, I did a lot

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of drugs and alcohol, you know, becaurse. It was also

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the seventies. Maybe that's just harder becorse shaped up in

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my early twenties when I had my first son, actually

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first of two sons, wonderful kids, and so you know,

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I think we have our way of handling that. But

474
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:56,119
the real persecution came much later when I got into

475
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,519
my work, my scholarship work on the poet and writer

476
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:04,119
Sylvia Plath. So my most recent book, via cult Sylvia

477
00:30:04,200 --> 00:30:06,559
Plath with in her Traditions, This is fifteen years in

478
00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:11,720
the making. And I discovered that Sylvia Plath when I

479
00:30:11,799 --> 00:30:14,599
was back in graduate at school getting my MFA in

480
00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:18,039
poetry and fiction. And I discovered that Plath had a

481
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:20,799
lot of taro symbolism in her in her work, and

482
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:23,200
I pointed it out to my professor and I said,

483
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:26,160
it's the deal with this, and he said, I don't

484
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,240
know what you're talking about. And I realized nobody had

485
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:31,920
seen it. And you had to be both a Terot

486
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:35,920
scholar and a plant scholar to see what Plath was doing,

487
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,640
you know, and that this radically changed the meaning of

488
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:44,240
her work that nobody it has basically escaped everyone who's

489
00:30:44,279 --> 00:30:47,319
held her in this really narrow view of just you know,

490
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:51,440
being suicidal and depressive, which she was, but that wasn't

491
00:30:51,599 --> 00:30:55,240
all of who she was. You know, everybody has many

492
00:30:55,720 --> 00:31:00,240
complex layers and dimensions to their personality. You don't say

493
00:31:00,279 --> 00:31:02,440
somebody's whole life is a suicide, you know.

494
00:31:03,079 --> 00:31:07,880
Speaker 1: And we'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

495
00:31:11,559 --> 00:31:12,759
and now back to the show.

496
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,640
Speaker 2: And so I kind of got on this mission and

497
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:21,559
I so, I've been doing this work for about twenty

498
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:25,519
years now with the Plath stuff, and I thought that

499
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:29,240
the academic community would embrace it because, my gosh, her,

500
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,440
here's a hero. Right, yeah, Okay, you're seeing where this

501
00:31:32,599 --> 00:31:32,920
is going.

502
00:31:33,599 --> 00:31:34,359
Speaker 1: Here's a hero.

503
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:37,880
Speaker 2: And I thought, oh, my gosh, I'm showing this genius

504
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,720
and these multiple layers of meaning that she was including

505
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,359
in all of her work. And my gosh, but what

506
00:31:44,519 --> 00:31:48,400
I realized is number one, although I have an MFA,

507
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,559
it's not a PhD. So instantly, you know, no crid there.

508
00:31:53,759 --> 00:31:56,839
And of course I'm a crazy tarot card reader, right,

509
00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:00,519
so they just dismiss me. And you know, and I

510
00:32:00,559 --> 00:32:03,920
don't think it's an accident. Whole careers are built on

511
00:32:04,079 --> 00:32:08,200
her being just miserable, you know, the suicidal. They don't

512
00:32:08,400 --> 00:32:10,240
want to see beyond then.

513
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: So so for a lot of.

514
00:32:12,759 --> 00:32:15,079
Speaker 2: Years, I really, you know, I was iced out at

515
00:32:15,160 --> 00:32:20,400
conferences and I really suffered. I mean I cried over

516
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,880
how awful they were treating me. And then one day

517
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,240
I kind of woke up and I was like, they're

518
00:32:28,279 --> 00:32:32,240
not my tribe. You know, They're just going to stay

519
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:36,039
in their narrow little view and you know, maybe a

520
00:32:36,119 --> 00:32:38,559
couple of them will see what I'm doing, most of

521
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:40,799
them won't. Most of them won't even read it because

522
00:32:40,839 --> 00:32:43,359
I'm a kook, you know, because I'm a tarot card reader,

523
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:47,799
and you know, I wasn't willing to betray who I am.

524
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,559
I wasn't willing to put all that away and just say, oh,

525
00:32:50,559 --> 00:32:54,759
I don't believe that anymore. And I'm all academic now. No,

526
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,759
this is the truth of me. And I'm really good

527
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:01,599
at what I do, you know, and I to the

528
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:04,960
point that I'm probably the only full time tarot card reader,

529
00:33:05,759 --> 00:33:08,559
certainly in the Saint Louis area where I'm based. But

530
00:33:08,799 --> 00:33:14,400
you know, I'm you know, not to brag. I'm pretty successful,

531
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,079
and I'm on television and I'm on radio, and I

532
00:33:18,319 --> 00:33:21,759
just recently was on Gaya and MTV and Nick at

533
00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:27,319
Night and you know, so stuff is happening. But I, uh, yeah,

534
00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:31,759
I'm not going to betray who I am because I've

535
00:33:31,839 --> 00:33:35,839
been given a gift and I'm very good at it

536
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,839
and it's helped a lot of people. And I have

537
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,519
people every day. I have regular clients every day who

538
00:33:42,599 --> 00:33:44,960
want to work with me, especially when they have problems

539
00:33:45,079 --> 00:33:48,680
or challenges. And so I feel really blessed to do

540
00:33:48,880 --> 00:33:52,000
work that I love with people I love and form

541
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:57,599
real friendships and you know, supportive friendships, people who are

542
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,519
building me up and even giving me money started. That's amazing,

543
00:34:02,160 --> 00:34:06,160
and uh, you know, for something I love, and and so,

544
00:34:07,119 --> 00:34:10,119
you know, to hell with the haters. People are always

545
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,039
gonna hate, you know. I'll get on Twitter and I'll

546
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:18,599
have you know, maybe an inbox with a few people

547
00:34:18,679 --> 00:34:20,679
who want to be my clients, and then I'll have

548
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,800
some really snotty put down, you know, or or some

549
00:34:26,679 --> 00:34:30,519
thread of somebody who's just mocking me because I'm obviously

550
00:34:30,599 --> 00:34:35,679
an idiot, because I'm not signing onto the atheistic you know,

551
00:34:36,559 --> 00:34:41,119
beliefs and whatever. Yeah, so it's, uh, it's an interesting

552
00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:44,400
world right now. And and just like when I was

553
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:48,679
telling a fellow writer, you can't be a writer for accolades,

554
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:53,079
like you are going to get rejected, same with being

555
00:34:53,400 --> 00:34:55,880
in this field of work. And I'm double so I

556
00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,719
get rejected both ways. You know, it's just how it

557
00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:01,480
gotta be. I wrong.

558
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:05,199
Speaker 1: I always ask that question because you know, a lot

559
00:35:05,280 --> 00:35:08,079
of people think that this is an easy path. I'm like, oh,

560
00:35:08,119 --> 00:35:10,400
they're just trying to scam people out of money or

561
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:13,679
something along those lines. There's a lot easier hustles out there.

562
00:35:14,679 --> 00:35:17,079
It really, truly is. It's one thing to be that,

563
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:20,840
you know, in a carnival or something quiet that nobody

564
00:35:20,920 --> 00:35:22,519
knows you. But once you get put out there like

565
00:35:22,639 --> 00:35:26,039
you have, you know, in public, author on television, on

566
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:29,880
the Internet, things like that, it's not different. You're really

567
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,639
putting yourself out there. You're like you're rolling the dice

568
00:35:32,719 --> 00:35:34,599
that this is this is the route I'm going guys.

569
00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:36,760
So I just wanted to I just again, I always

570
00:35:36,840 --> 00:35:39,000
like to do that for people so people can kind

571
00:35:39,000 --> 00:35:41,920
of demystify this whole idea because there has been so

572
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:45,760
much association with tarot and psychic readings, and and with

573
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,159
with the you know, the crystal ball and the quote

574
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,960
unquote gypsy and that image that we have from Hollywood

575
00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:55,280
that you know, people stealing and things like that from.

576
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:58,000
Speaker 2: People and I want to miss Cleo.

577
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh god, not even go there, and all that

578
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,960
kind of and all that kind of stuff. But so

579
00:36:05,119 --> 00:36:08,880
you've mentioned a couple of times that there's a psychic

580
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:12,639
aspect to the Tarot cards. Can you can you explain

581
00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,320
to me how your psychic abilities are connected to the

582
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:18,719
tarot cards. I've heard this before, but I love to

583
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,119
hear you explain it to everybody how those two work.

584
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:25,599
And can you read Darrow without being psychic?

585
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:30,159
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well, so, first of all, Alex, I think everybody's

586
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:33,480
psychic to a certain degree. You know, we've all had

587
00:36:34,079 --> 00:36:38,199
dreams that tell us something important, or we've all had,

588
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:40,400
you know, just the moment of thinking of someone and

589
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,400
they call you and it's just going to call you.

590
00:36:42,599 --> 00:36:46,760
You know, that that connection, you know, And so everyone

591
00:36:46,880 --> 00:36:50,719
has some I compare it to like singing. So everyone

592
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:53,880
can sing at least a little bit, and some people

593
00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:56,400
you could listen to all day, and some people it's like,

594
00:36:56,639 --> 00:37:00,920
oh God, please stop, you know, and so we can

595
00:37:01,000 --> 00:37:04,639
all do it. But it's teaching yourself to pay attention.

596
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:08,000
And I think a spiritual path really helps to develop

597
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:11,320
your ability. So some people are just not interested in

598
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:13,880
developing it at all, you know. Some people just don't

599
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,400
believe and they're like, no, I only have this many

600
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:20,199
senses and that's it. And then other people are like, well,

601
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,199
you know, I really do have a good understanding of

602
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:28,199
people that you know. I always say men frame it differently,

603
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,360
like men don't usually say their psychic. They say I

604
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:35,320
have a sense about somebody, or I have a gut feeling.

605
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,880
That's like the masculine way to do it, you know,

606
00:37:38,679 --> 00:37:42,199
and with women it's more intuitive or psychic or you know,

607
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,559
premonitions things like that. But we've all got it. You know.

608
00:37:46,679 --> 00:37:50,000
Somebody could use just a book and read Taro. So

609
00:37:50,119 --> 00:37:52,719
if you know nothing about it, you know, in my

610
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:56,199
book Taro Life Lessons here from last year. This is

611
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,360
my real life stories of being a Tarot card reader,

612
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:04,400
and I believe it's The second story is a story

613
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:07,400
of I was at a party and a drunk guy

614
00:38:08,119 --> 00:38:10,039
took my cards and he said, well, I'm going to

615
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:13,239
read for you, and he had no knowledge of taro,

616
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,559
and he just threw down some cards and he gave

617
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:21,480
me a surprisingly accurate reading. And I believe he did

618
00:38:21,559 --> 00:38:24,360
that because, first of all, he was blotto, so he

619
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:28,719
was just open, you know, he had no judgments. He

620
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,119
wasn't afraid to be wrong, which I consider as one

621
00:38:32,199 --> 00:38:35,039
of the big enemies of intuition is putting our ego

622
00:38:35,159 --> 00:38:37,719
in it and like, you afraid that's tell somebody wrong

623
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:40,239
or steer somebody wrong, or you know, and we have

624
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:43,199
all this judgment, you know. So this guy was just,

625
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,199
you know, just just looking at the cards and riffing

626
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:50,480
off it. And it was and it was surprisingly a

627
00:38:50,559 --> 00:38:54,039
good reading with no knowledge at all. And I think

628
00:38:54,079 --> 00:38:58,519
that's important because I know some people who study those books.

629
00:38:58,920 --> 00:38:59,079
Speaker 1: You know.

630
00:38:59,159 --> 00:39:01,760
Speaker 2: When I did write Tarot Life Lessons, I did not

631
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:05,639
want another how to read Tarot book, because there's already

632
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,039
tons of them about what this card means and this

633
00:39:08,199 --> 00:39:12,320
card means, et cetera, and different layouts. I wanted somebody

634
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,960
to be able to see real stories and practical application

635
00:39:16,639 --> 00:39:21,199
of Tarot. And so the way I do it, well,

636
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,519
we all have our different psychic gifts. I have a couple.

637
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:30,880
I am mostly what we call Claire audience. And what

638
00:39:31,079 --> 00:39:34,320
that means is I hear it in my head. So

639
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,800
if I'm reading a card, reading your cards, I set

640
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,000
them down, Alex, and maybe you've asked me a question

641
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,119
about your work or something, and I'll have a card,

642
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:47,480
you know, show up and I'll hear something. I'll hear

643
00:39:47,639 --> 00:39:50,599
just a word in my head, you know, or a phrase,

644
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,760
and so I've learned over time to trust that and

645
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:56,920
to just tell it to you. I don't know what

646
00:39:57,039 --> 00:40:01,920
it means necessarily, but it usually relates to you, you know,

647
00:40:02,079 --> 00:40:03,039
and usually.

648
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:03,079
Speaker 1: You go.

649
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:09,800
Speaker 2: And you know, or that's what so and so always says,

650
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:14,320
or that's exactly what I was thinking earlier today. You

651
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:17,000
know that that's the kind of response I get. And

652
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:22,039
so that's so usually I'm clear audience. I do also

653
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:28,440
have premonitions, uh, you know. I dream both uh both

654
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:32,880
at night and actual sleeping dreams and also daydreams, which

655
00:40:33,199 --> 00:40:37,440
I consider to be visions. So in this book, in

656
00:40:37,639 --> 00:40:42,119
the first chapter, which is my story, I I talk

657
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:46,960
about my first premonition being just I was. I had

658
00:40:47,039 --> 00:40:49,920
just gotten my driver's license, and I'm going down the

659
00:40:50,039 --> 00:40:54,119
road and I thought about a big crow on the

660
00:40:54,199 --> 00:40:56,880
side of the road with a broken wing, and I thought,

661
00:40:57,199 --> 00:40:59,440
why did I think about that? You know, it just

662
00:40:59,559 --> 00:41:00,719
kind of came into my head.

663
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,920
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after a word from our sponsor,

664
00:41:08,599 --> 00:41:09,800
and now back to the show.

665
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Speaker 2: And then within five minutes I saw exactly what I

666
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:19,400
had thought. This bird was there with a broken wing,

667
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:22,760
and I think, well, what does that mean to this day?

668
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,039
I'm not sure, but I do think that as we

669
00:41:26,159 --> 00:41:29,920
get stronger, we're flexing our muscles and we're getting better

670
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,599
and better, and it's that paying attention. So that was

671
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:36,480
my first conscious premonition. And I talk in the book

672
00:41:36,519 --> 00:41:39,639
about what crow symbolism is and how it unites even

673
00:41:39,719 --> 00:41:44,199
with my plathwork and different things there. So it was

674
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:49,360
a meaningful symbol to me. And like the taro will

675
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:52,719
have meaningful symbols, you know, the right cards come up

676
00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:56,440
for you to give you the information you need to know.

677
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:03,119
So I'm just the messenger and I am, you know,

678
00:42:03,559 --> 00:42:08,480
telling you what's coming. And really you, as the person

679
00:42:08,519 --> 00:42:12,079
who's getting the reading, you're applying it to your life

680
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,360
because of course I don't know your life, so it's

681
00:42:15,639 --> 00:42:18,840
just yeah, it's just that's how it works.

682
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,079
Speaker 1: So when you are a clear audience, What are you

683
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:26,719
connecting to? What is what are you? Are you connecting

684
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,599
to your higher self? Are you connecting to the other side?

685
00:42:29,599 --> 00:42:32,800
Are you connecting to your clients by yourself? Is where's

686
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,480
the information coming from on the other side.

687
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:40,239
Speaker 2: So, because I have a background in the Episcopal Church,

688
00:42:41,639 --> 00:42:44,239
and because and that's another part of my story, that

689
00:42:44,760 --> 00:42:48,119
Terrow life lessons, my Episcopal Church was a little different.

690
00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:51,719
They taught me meditation, they taught me automatic writing on

691
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:56,079
church retreats. They spoke in tongues, so it was definitely

692
00:42:56,199 --> 00:43:00,880
more mystic. They called it charismatic, but that was my foundation,

693
00:43:01,679 --> 00:43:05,360
and so I call it holy spirit. I'm also a

694
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:09,519
teacher and a practitioner of a course in miracles, which

695
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:14,039
would call it spirit as well. Now that said, you know,

696
00:43:14,199 --> 00:43:17,559
it's just a name. So you could call it God,

697
00:43:17,679 --> 00:43:20,000
you could call it Source, you could call it Goddess,

698
00:43:20,559 --> 00:43:22,400
you could call it Mother, Father, God. A lot of

699
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:25,920
my friends do that. You know, you could call it

700
00:43:26,159 --> 00:43:32,239
spirit energy. I don't think. I don't think God has

701
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:34,760
an ego to care about what the names.

702
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:39,119
Speaker 1: According to the Old Testament, he has a tremendous egot.

703
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:41,480
But that's a yeah, yeah, I.

704
00:43:43,880 --> 00:43:46,880
Speaker 2: Reject that I think God's a little higher than that.

705
00:43:47,159 --> 00:43:53,599
Speaker 1: In my opinion, He's not that insecure. I think, sure.

706
00:43:55,079 --> 00:43:55,519
Speaker 2: Exactly.

707
00:43:56,320 --> 00:44:01,039
Speaker 1: So do you so being a psychic, do you you

708
00:44:01,119 --> 00:44:04,159
don't technically need the cards? You just use them as

709
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,280
a tool essentially, Or do you need the cards? Yeah? Right?

710
00:44:07,320 --> 00:44:11,360
Because from what I heard from other channels and other

711
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:15,079
psychics who were afraid of their gifts as being a

712
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:18,360
psychic or a channel, they would use the taro as

713
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:23,000
a buffer, because taro is much more acceptable than hey,

714
00:44:23,079 --> 00:44:26,079
I'm channeling Mary Magdalen.

715
00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:30,840
Speaker 2: Right for something like those there's some of that. I

716
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:34,199
love the cards, I mean, I always have. I love

717
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:38,360
how beautiful they are, and I love that it gives

718
00:44:38,599 --> 00:44:43,920
a visual for my clients. So if they can see

719
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:48,639
it with me, it's sort of like another layer of trust.

720
00:44:49,519 --> 00:44:54,119
If I'm just saying things, well, that might impress them.

721
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:57,559
But if I'm saying things and showing them the picture

722
00:44:57,639 --> 00:45:00,719
and explaining how this picture is working, and you know,

723
00:45:01,119 --> 00:45:03,920
that's sort of like whoa. And really, I think it

724
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:07,960
helps them to learn some of these spiritual lessons and learn,

725
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:11,800
you know, just some life skills, to evolve and rise

726
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,599
out of some troubles and maybe bad habits and things

727
00:45:15,679 --> 00:45:17,599
like that. You know, the Tarot will call us out

728
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,159
on some of those things, and so I just think

729
00:45:22,320 --> 00:45:27,920
that they're such a valuable tool. Sure, I can talk

730
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,559
to somebody, and I do all the time. You know,

731
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:32,760
a lot of times my clients will call me up

732
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,840
and maybe I'll be on a long drive. I'm doing

733
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,840
a lot of traveling for a book tour right now,

734
00:45:37,000 --> 00:45:40,039
and it's not unusual for somebody to say, hey, can

735
00:45:40,119 --> 00:45:43,039
I just talk to you for a minute, And I'm

736
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,039
you know, in the middle of nowhere, you know, and

737
00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:52,039
like sure, And I'll help them process something by what

738
00:45:52,159 --> 00:45:55,400
I'm feeling about it. And you know, I do that

739
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:57,920
all the time as well, which is another kind of

740
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,039
reading that has nothing to.

741
00:45:59,119 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: Do with the Tarot.

742
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, I just think that the cards

743
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:11,840
themselves are are so valuable in building the depth and

744
00:46:12,199 --> 00:46:15,039
furthering the meaning and the teaching that I would not

745
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:16,679
want to do it without the cards.

746
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:20,360
Speaker 1: What is the biggest misconception people have about Tarot cards

747
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:21,519
and terror card readers and.

748
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:25,280
Speaker 2: All of that, That it's satanic? You know, that it's evil.

749
00:46:26,159 --> 00:46:28,280
Speaker 1: Honestly, I guess it is the devil's work. This is

750
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:29,320
obviously the devil's work.

751
00:46:29,400 --> 00:46:33,760
Speaker 2: Julia, Yeah, yeah, I mean I get a lot of that.

752
00:46:35,119 --> 00:46:37,280
People are just afraid of it because it's you know,

753
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:43,760
fundamentalist Christians especially, but anybody who meets me and talks

754
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,360
to me kind of gets it. Like, I am totally

755
00:46:47,639 --> 00:46:52,039
not Satanic. I am not, you know, I I think

756
00:46:52,119 --> 00:46:55,599
a lot of that witchy occult stuff, you know. Getting

757
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:59,599
to my course in Miracles teachings of course in Miracles

758
00:46:59,679 --> 00:47:02,719
says that the world is illusion. It's very Buddhist, and

759
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:07,760
I'm also Buddhist, surprise, surprise. So so this illusion is

760
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,239
our sandbox, and this is where we get to play

761
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:16,599
with our relationships and and and manipulate the illusion, you know,

762
00:47:17,159 --> 00:47:20,679
and and grow and learn from it and ideally heal

763
00:47:20,960 --> 00:47:24,440
our stuff and become a higher version of ourselfs. So

764
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:29,239
that's the world. And then and then so the magician

765
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:36,920
who is practicing magic, spells, charms, anything like that, they're

766
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:41,440
working in the illusion to manipulate the illusion. Miracles are

767
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:46,280
a higher level. So miracles are about healing and restoring

768
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:51,000
the oneness. And we're not we're not playing in the illusion. Really,

769
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:54,159
we're above it. And I know that sounds maybe a

770
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:58,519
little bit conceited or superior, but it's just a higher goal.

771
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,559
And so it's what the alchemist does. You know, alchemy

772
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:06,320
is is a three level thing. So alchemy is practical alchemy,

773
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,880
which is in the world, which is the lead to

774
00:48:09,000 --> 00:48:14,000
gold idea in chemistry, and then it's the emotional alchemy

775
00:48:14,239 --> 00:48:18,039
of let's heal our stuff like Jungi in alchemy, you know,

776
00:48:18,119 --> 00:48:20,519
getting into the dark knight of the soul and rising

777
00:48:20,639 --> 00:48:24,639
out of it. And then the spiritual level of alchemy,

778
00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:28,039
which is becoming one with your god self. And that's

779
00:48:28,119 --> 00:48:33,639
my goal. And so if that's my goal, wow, to

780
00:48:34,039 --> 00:48:35,840
call me a Satan.

781
00:48:36,079 --> 00:48:39,079
Speaker 1: It's kind of horrible, horrible thing.

782
00:48:39,679 --> 00:48:45,039
Speaker 2: I'm failing miserably Satan. Satan would be in the earth stuff,

783
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:48,039
you know, Satan is in the earth and ego realm.

784
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,960
So I've had people back when I used to do

785
00:48:52,079 --> 00:48:55,280
the Renaissance fairs, and I have a story TERI Life

786
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:58,280
Lessons of somebody wandering into my tent and you know,

787
00:48:58,400 --> 00:49:01,480
this teenage boy and his clothes with his buddy and

788
00:49:02,159 --> 00:49:05,039
they're you know, thinking that the Satanic stuff is really

789
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,679
cool and just making an assumption about me that I

790
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,639
was into the dark stuff like them. And boy did

791
00:49:12,719 --> 00:49:14,519
I disappoint them. And I also called them out on

792
00:49:14,599 --> 00:49:18,480
a lot of stuff. And I also mentioned that that

793
00:49:19,159 --> 00:49:22,599
people in people dabbling in that dark stuff. There might

794
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,159
be some energy there. I don't deny it. There may be,

795
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:29,480
but there's a price to pay. And almost all those

796
00:49:29,559 --> 00:49:35,119
people have physical health problems and emotional problems and relationship problems.

797
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,679
There is no happiness there. It's like, sure, you might

798
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,159
have a little bit of an effect, you know, Alister

799
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:47,920
Crowley did, but he was you know, he was very

800
00:49:48,039 --> 00:49:49,679
much in the ego and he had a lot of

801
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:54,679
relationship problems. And I wouldn't want to be him, you know.

802
00:49:55,079 --> 00:49:58,639
Speaker 1: Sure, fair enough, fair enough. Now there's a lot there

803
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:00,679
seems to be a lot of stuff happened in the world.

804
00:50:01,320 --> 00:50:07,400
This year has been a pretty chaotic, heavy, intense, intense,

805
00:50:07,760 --> 00:50:11,079
especially of sense of since certain things have happened in

806
00:50:11,079 --> 00:50:15,519
the last last week or so, Yeah, the assassination attempt

807
00:50:15,599 --> 00:50:19,159
and everything. What what I have to imagine that you

808
00:50:19,280 --> 00:50:22,400
have thrown the cards down on what's happening in the

809
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,800
world and where we're all going. Do you have any

810
00:50:25,679 --> 00:50:28,519
did the cards have any predictions for I don't need

811
00:50:28,559 --> 00:50:29,840
you to tell me who wins? The other election, I

812
00:50:29,880 --> 00:50:33,920
could care less, but more just generally like what is

813
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,000
happening here in the in the States, what's going to

814
00:50:36,039 --> 00:50:38,559
happen in the world for the rest of this year

815
00:50:38,760 --> 00:50:43,800
and coming next year. We'll be right back after a

816
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:49,760
word from our sponsor, and now back to the show.

817
00:50:52,039 --> 00:50:57,960
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, Tarot is personal. It's micro, not macro.

818
00:50:58,920 --> 00:51:02,000
So I really can not tell you who's going to

819
00:51:02,039 --> 00:51:05,039
win the election in the same way. You know, people say,

820
00:51:05,920 --> 00:51:08,519
why don't you, you know, bet on horse races, why

821
00:51:08,559 --> 00:51:12,000
don't you use, you know, pick your cards for lottery numbers.

822
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:16,159
It doesn't work like that. It's about a personal connection.

823
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:21,719
So you know, my example, if if somebody asks me,

824
00:51:22,280 --> 00:51:25,079
you know, I can read about people close to you,

825
00:51:25,599 --> 00:51:29,119
if you were close to Joe Biden or to Donald

826
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:33,679
Trump and and and if them winning the election, whichever

827
00:51:33,880 --> 00:51:37,360
one would affect you, then maybe I could read that.

828
00:51:38,559 --> 00:51:41,199
I have been reading that we're going to have a

829
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:44,280
pretty rough economy for a while yet. And I've been

830
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:49,079
reading that because everybody's cards are reflecting concern about their

831
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:52,920
retirements and concern about, you know, being able to buy

832
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:56,840
groceries and and all of this this basic stuff. So

833
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:01,320
things are in turmoil economically, and I have seen that

834
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:05,599
just by gauging from so many clients with the same

835
00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:09,079
kind of readings, I can get that we're not coming

836
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:11,599
out of this really quickly, you know, economically.

837
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:14,559
Speaker 1: Get is it going to get worse before it gets

838
00:52:14,599 --> 00:52:18,719
because right now the economy is for some doing extremely

839
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:22,199
well but for many not doing well at all. Is

840
00:52:22,280 --> 00:52:25,599
that that high eventually going to come down to a

841
00:52:25,639 --> 00:52:27,679
place where everyone's burt like an.

842
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:32,519
Speaker 2: Eight Yeah, yeah, I would say in the next couple

843
00:52:32,559 --> 00:52:38,480
of years, I'm seeing most people hurting, So I'll frame

844
00:52:38,559 --> 00:52:43,679
it that way. Now, I do have a very large

845
00:52:43,800 --> 00:52:47,920
sample of clients. I have billionaires. I have a group

846
00:52:48,000 --> 00:52:51,000
of Miami billionaires that I read for regularly. I say

847
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:55,360
that and that's there's for sure one and a bunch

848
00:52:55,400 --> 00:52:56,440
of multimillionaires.

849
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:01,360
Speaker 1: Just just to keep it totally semantics to the written, yeah, yeah,

850
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:02,119
they're all rich.

851
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:05,760
Speaker 2: Correct, They've flown me down and I've done parties on

852
00:53:05,840 --> 00:53:07,880
their yachts and that sort of thing. So I have

853
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:11,119
I have that group of people, and then I have

854
00:53:11,599 --> 00:53:15,039
like the hard working single mom in the city who

855
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,559
calls me, you know, once a month for fifteen minutes.

856
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:21,760
Because that's all she can swing, but she's got her

857
00:53:21,920 --> 00:53:25,440
questions and she's you know, really applying herself and on

858
00:53:25,599 --> 00:53:30,519
her evolution. And what I will say is financially, everybody

859
00:53:30,639 --> 00:53:35,960
looks concerned. So that's interesting, That's very interesting.

860
00:53:36,599 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, what other what other kind of what other kind

861
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,760
of broad strokes have you seen in this pool of

862
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,719
clients of yours that you can actually kind of say, well,

863
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:48,320
this is kind of where everything is going in this

864
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:49,320
area or that area.

865
00:53:50,079 --> 00:53:52,039
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not sure I want to say beyond

866
00:53:52,199 --> 00:53:55,000
the money, because like I said, it's so a reading

867
00:53:55,159 --> 00:54:00,639
is so personal, and you know, it's it's how we're

868
00:54:00,719 --> 00:54:05,320
responding to the world. And you know, there's so many

869
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:08,760
different kinds of jobs, for instance, and so sure some

870
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:12,360
industries may go under because of AI, for instance, but

871
00:54:13,519 --> 00:54:18,519
they all won't. And I've seen a lot of trouble

872
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:21,280
in the teaching world, but I used to teach myself

873
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:26,280
in the universities, and so you know, they're they're doing

874
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,880
so much with just they're basically taking all the class

875
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,280
plans that everybody works so hard to develop and they're

876
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,400
just sticking them in a computer and letting the computers teach, now,

877
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:42,400
you know, And so yeah, so you know, there's a

878
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:46,000
lot of a lot of pain in the academic world

879
00:54:46,079 --> 00:54:50,920
that way. But I don't know, it's a it's a

880
00:54:51,000 --> 00:54:53,960
personal thing. I just don't want to make a big

881
00:54:54,119 --> 00:54:54,960
blanket statement.

882
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and when you're saying about academic there's no question

883
00:54:59,519 --> 00:55:04,480
you could just see academia starting to it's on a downward, downward,

884
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,880
the slope across the bord across because because it's it

885
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:10,639
got so expensive, right.

886
00:55:10,519 --> 00:55:15,360
Speaker 2: And we've got Harvard presidents who are forging papers.

887
00:55:14,920 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 1: And you know, well there's there's all of that stuff too.

888
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:20,840
But then it got so expensive, but to the point

889
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:24,480
where the investment in the education doesn't you're never going

890
00:55:24,519 --> 00:55:27,239
to the job that you get from that doesn't pan

891
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,519
out in certain in certain industries. But I have family

892
00:55:30,559 --> 00:55:33,199
members who are doctors, who they go, I wish it

893
00:55:33,199 --> 00:55:36,039
would have never become a doctor. The system is so

894
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:41,280
broken and they're just like where it's it's not like

895
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:43,400
it was in the eighties where you could you know,

896
00:55:43,679 --> 00:55:47,599
make a really really oh you're a doctor? Right now

897
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:48,880
nowadays different.

898
00:55:49,159 --> 00:55:53,360
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something interesting, Alex. When in twenty sixteen

899
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:59,559
when Trump took the presidency, and you know, every I

900
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:03,280
can getting the Tower card. And I found that so

901
00:56:03,559 --> 00:56:07,719
fascinating because you know, I said, love him or hate him,

902
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:10,639
he was the tower card. Because the tower card is

903
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,119
is it can be frightening. It's said it can it's

904
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:17,599
sudden change when I read it, when I read it

905
00:56:17,679 --> 00:56:20,400
for someone, it says the foundation was wrong, that the

906
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:23,599
building has to come down, it's time to rebuild. It

907
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,119
is a card for the game changers, you know, the

908
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:32,800
big upheavals that everything's different kind of thing. And uh

909
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,039
and and how interesting that Trump's own symbol is Trump Tower,

910
00:56:37,239 --> 00:56:41,599
you know, so I thought that, Uh yeah, God, God

911
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,679
really knows how to pick the right tarot cards sometimes,

912
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:48,400
because it just kept coming up. And uh and some

913
00:56:48,559 --> 00:56:51,559
people didn't. You know, we we have had a status

914
00:56:51,639 --> 00:56:55,880
quo government for a while, and some people didn't like

915
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,280
the changes he made, good or bad. Like I said,

916
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,320
I don't want to make a political statement here.

917
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:03,159
Speaker 1: We have this.

918
00:57:04,679 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 2: Fight right now, in this division right now that I

919
00:57:08,000 --> 00:57:13,440
really hate because people are we're dehumanizing each other, you know,

920
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,480
and that's just not not the way of God. And

921
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:25,039
I you know, I'm about oneness, I'm about unity. I

922
00:57:26,559 --> 00:57:29,880
anger people because I will not take sides. And I've

923
00:57:29,960 --> 00:57:32,920
lost friendships over it, you know, and then especially since

924
00:57:33,119 --> 00:57:37,159
like twenty twenty, because they want to see me. They're saying,

925
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,920
this is the time and we have to unite and

926
00:57:40,039 --> 00:57:42,559
you have to be on the side. And I'm like,

927
00:57:42,719 --> 00:57:45,440
I'm on the side of humanity, I'm on the side

928
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:48,000
of love, and I'm not going to divide.

929
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 1: I will not do it.

930
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 2: And so you know that that has frustrated some people

931
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:59,559
about me. But yeah, but all this stuff, you know,

932
00:58:00,280 --> 00:58:03,079
it will show up for the individual, you know, so

933
00:58:03,280 --> 00:58:08,159
how your experience of the political situation that will show up.

934
00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,559
But I just can't give you a universal experience fair enough.

935
00:58:13,199 --> 00:58:16,079
Speaker 1: Do you have any advice for someone who wanting to

936
00:58:16,239 --> 00:58:21,960
start using Tarot cards, either yeah themselves or for others?

937
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:23,320
What advice would you give them?

938
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,119
Speaker 2: That's in my book, Tarot Life Lessons, you know, at

939
00:58:27,159 --> 00:58:29,159
the end of every chapter, I have sort of a tip,

940
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,960
you know, on selecting your own cards or you know,

941
00:58:32,239 --> 00:58:35,920
kind of dispelling some of the superstitions, like some people

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believe you have to be gifted a deck versus buying

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your own things like that. So I talk about all

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of these things. I talk about layouts, and again, people

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are overly concerned about being wrong, you know? Do I

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lay the cards out properly? Is?

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Speaker 1: You know?

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Speaker 2: And so I talk about leaning into your intuition and

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offering tips like that. I am a big believer in

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trusting yourself and trusting what comes to you, and that

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that's intuition, and that in my world there aren't all

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these rules.

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Speaker 1: I don't like rules.

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Speaker 2: I'm a sanitarian. I've never liked rules, you know. So

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I'm about going with what I feel.

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Speaker 1: Now, I'm going to ask you a few questions. Ask

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all my guests, what is your definition of living a

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fulfilled life.

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Speaker 2: I think it's reaching my highest potential. I don't think

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it means that we're happy all the time. People talk

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to me about, oh, I just want to be happy,

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and I say that's ridiculous, because that's not an appropriate

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emotion for most of our experiences. I like to have joy,

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and I like to try and feel some joy every day.

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But to have this blanket happiness that's like Soma, you know,

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and brave New World, and it's just not it's not

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a pro. So, so a fulfilled life is reaching our

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highest potential and using our talents to the max, to

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the best of our abilities, and really I think just

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living big. You know, I want to experience everything I

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can in my time on this planet. I want to

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live broad and deep. I want to feel. I want

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to connect with people I want to love, and so

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that to me is fulfillment.

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Speaker 1: Now, if you had a chance to go back in

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time and talk to little Julia, what advice would you

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give her. We'll be right back after a word from

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our sponsor, and now back to the show.

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Speaker 2: M Yeah, you know, assuming I had the knowledge I

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have now, i'd probably get away from some of the

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family environment early, and which I kind of did anyway, honestly,

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but I think maybe more emotionally. Don't take it on,

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don't take it as my problem, you know that. Getting

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back to one of the first questions you asked me today, well,

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you know, being a psychic, growing up psychic, like, the

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first thing you say is what's wrong with me? You know,

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why doesn't everybody get me? Why doesn't anyone understand me?

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Why doesn't anybody love me? And I asked all those

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hard questions, and I blamed myself as most do for

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a long time. And so that's what I would relieve

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myself of if I could. But then I wouldn't have

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the knowledge and wisdom I have today.

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Speaker 1: Either, So fair enough, how do you define God or

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source energy?

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Speaker 2: That gets back to that life force? That connection? You know,

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when I look at you, even through this phone, I

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feel connected to you and on some level I feel

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you And that's because we're both alive and I love that,

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you know, and that to me is God?

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Speaker 1: What is love?

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Speaker 2: God? Kind of you know, It's it's bigger than just

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the emotional feeling. But of course the emotional feeling is

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in there and it's how we express it, but it's

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it's that highest source.

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Speaker 1: And what is the ultimate purpose of life?

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Speaker 2: I think, to love in every way and every form,

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including loving ourselves, to reach to self actualize, to reach

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that God potential.

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Speaker 1: And where can people find out more about you and

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the work that you're doing in the world.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, they can go to Julia Gordon Bramer dot com.

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They can also pick up one of my most recent books.

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I mean I have five books altogether, but recently last

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year Less November, Taro Life Lessons came out with Destiny Books,

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and this past May, the Occult Silvia Plath came out.

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This is a biography. This is not about me. But

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Tara Life Lessons is a lot about me, so if

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you're interested, I recorded them both on audiobook as well.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: I distributed through Simon and Schuster. If there are any

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bookstores listening.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: And I'm on a book tour. That can find the

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dates on my book tour on Julia Gordonbramer dot com.

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They can get a reading with me by contacting me

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through that website. You can also find me on Twitter

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and Instagram. Jay Gordon Bramer uh and uh yeah, I

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love to talk to people who are into this. I

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you know, I'm getting busier and busier with all this traveling.

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I don't always have tons of time to to just

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you know, shoot the breeze. But I'm happy to answer

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some questions about Taro or myself or anything.

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Speaker 1: And do you have any parting messages for the audience.

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Speaker 2: Not really, just thank you for having me and it

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was a joy.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate you being on the show and thank you

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so much for helping awaken.

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Speaker 2: The planet, my dear Thanks again, Thanks Alex.

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Speaker 1: I like to thank Julius so much for coming on

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the show and sharing her knowledge and wisdom with all

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of us. If you want to get links to anything,

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we spoke about in this episode. Head over to the

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show notes at Next levelsoul dot Com Forward slash four

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eight one. Now, if this conversation stirred something in you,

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so much for listening. As I always say, trust the journey.

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It's there to teach you. I'll see you next time.