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team is facing right now, so they're particularly intriguing to

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in No Chumit. Welcome back. This is the third time

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you're back for year three of the Pelicans Look Ahead

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with us. I very much appreciate you hopping back on

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with me. How are you doing, man.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. We're going for a three peet here.

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I'm excited. This is one of my favorite times of

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the year because one, I get to be on this show.

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Two it means the seasons are right around the corner,

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so it's that time.

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Speaker 1: It seems close and yet so far away at the

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same time. I don't I don't know how to describe

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it right now. The Pelicans, though, feels like they're just

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approaching like eighty different pivot points. But I have to

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just ask a general question about last season. What is

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just kind of like your biggest take away from what

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unfolded with the team?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the biggest takeaway from the team is

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the Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram partnership is not one

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that should continue forward. I think they've had five years

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to work it out, and last year was the most

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amount of games they played together. And I think I

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feel like you have a question here, so I'm gonna

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let you ask the question. But I think that was

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my biggest takeaway is that partnership. It's it's time to

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move on.

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Speaker 1: We We're gonna start off spicy here. And so the

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question I've been asking is I dictate too much of

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these podcasts. So I've been asking people what is their

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biggest storyline that they're monitoring into next season. I do

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pride myself on knowing, like I kind of know what

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they're gonna pick. The Pelicans have like ninety different things

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to choose problem, And so what is your biggest storyline

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as we're sitting here basically the beginning of September that

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you'll be monitoring with this team?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, look, so just continuing right off that one, it's

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is Brandon Inger gonna get traded? And when is that

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going to happen? I think, excuse me, they would have

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liked who have done it around the draft or around

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when free agency first started. I don't think they necessarily

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read the market correctly, or I guess I don't even

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know if that's.

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Speaker 3: Fair to say.

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Speaker 2: Is because I feel like they anticipated did be suitors,

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and I think that's the reasonable anticipation to have, and

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it just turns out that like no one was interested,

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and now they're here and it's it's September. Basically, there's

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a chance maybe Utah wakes up in two weeks from

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now and they're like, you know what, we're not gonna tank.

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Speaker 3: We have lowry market and Bill Hardy and.

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Speaker 2: You know, we're just gonna go for it, and maybe

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they get a deal done. But I would say that

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chance is very slim. So what you're looking at is

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Brandon going into the season and without an extension, and

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be like, hey, like let's move in on Brandon like

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the Indiana Pacers did with but Pascal Siakam in the

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middle of the year. So it's not stuff that hasn't

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happened before, but it's like, who's going to be the team,

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what's that deal going to look like? And there's other

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stuff around that that needs to happen. Particularly from a

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financial standpoint, just where the Pelicans are at with their finances.

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fine need of the thread, and it's kind of like

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you're running out of time to do it.

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Speaker 1: What is like, do you have any theories as to

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why the I understand Brendan are gonna be a difficult

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player to fit into the larger context of a team.

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what do you make of just the tepid trade market?

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wrap their head around the new CBA. Is it doesn't

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speak to the level of not desperation, but like, okay,

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he said it into his final year and now we're

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gonna have to pay him, and so that's on their mind.

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too much and they don't. They have leverage in negotiations

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with him, but maybe not a ton of leverage in

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trade negotiations. It's such a bizarre dynamic when looking at

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his trade value specifically, for sure.

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Speaker 2: I think it is almost entirely related to his contract demands.

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You know, from my understanding, him and his agent are

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c making the maximum four year extension that.

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Speaker 3: He's eligible for.

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Speaker 2: That put him around two hundred and eight million dollars

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in new money, which is a lot of money, So

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a lot of money. It's thirty percent of the cap,

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and so that's where the Pelicans have a pause. That's

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where I think a lot of teams have paused. So

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it's like, we're gonna spend assets to trade for this guy,

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and then we got to pay him like a top

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fifteen player. Last year, there was fourteen players in the

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league that made thirty percent or above the salary cap.

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So you're paying like a top fifteen player. The return

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has to be a lot more than what Brandon's provided.

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On the basketball court, he's a very good player. He's

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had availability issues. You know, he's played somewhere around like

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forty five to fifty and then like sixty ish games

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in the last three seasons, so he's missed, you know,

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twenty twenty plus games each of the last three season.

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And then as a player, I think he's tip. He

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hasn't quite broken into that absolutely sure fire All Star

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or All NBA rage yet. You know, he's kind of

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had spurts where he's looked like that guy in certainly

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stretches where he's looked like that guy. But teams are

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just like, man, I don't know, that's not a sure thing,

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So how can we commit money to that?

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Speaker 1: So if they're going to go into the season with him,

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I guess the one like easy question is there is

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that like there's a chance that just becomes a major

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distraction that's hanging over the team right because it's constantly

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being speculated about and talked about and reported on.

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Speaker 3: I am really worried about that.

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Speaker 2: Because the other component of this is the pending Trey

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Murphy extension. So Trey Murphy is finished three years of play,

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he's eligible for the rookie extension. My understanding is something's

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gonna get done. Therefore, before the season starts. I think

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both sides have a good working relationship. But if you

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let's say something gets done, I think it's gonna be

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a lot of money. So let's say Trey Murphy's making

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somewhere in the thirty million dollar range per year or

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in the high twenties, just but it's still a large

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amount of money. And then you have brandon Ingram who's

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in expiring, who doesn't have a deal done. Does he

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feel some type of way that they prioritize Trey, right,

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And then what happens if if Willie Green decides one game,

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hey he's not having Brandson having a great game, We're

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gonna close this one out with Trey, you know, or

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we're gonna just some of these decisions without that contract

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in hand make me a little bit nervous. And then

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I'm also a little bit nervous how Brandon's gonna approach

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it personally? How is he gonna play knowing there's a

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contract on the line, if he feels jilted that he

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wasn't given a Max's he gonna go out there and

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prove he's a MAX player?

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Speaker 3: And what does that look like?

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Speaker 2: Does I mean he's just taking a lot of shots

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and not necessarily playing within the system. I don't think

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any of these things are impossibilities, And I just think

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you've got to have a healthy fear of things going wrong,

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and there's a lot of things that.

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Speaker 3: Can go wrong.

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Speaker 1: Now you've already said that you're kind of just out

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on the fit with Zion, and I think de Jontay

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Murray coming in super complicates that. But like, if there's

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a way for Brandon Ingram to fit in the larger

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context of the team. What does that look like? Is

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it kind of winding back the clock to that when

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you look at a shot profile the first season in

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New Orleans, New Orleans night and day basically compared to

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what it like. Just is that what it looks like

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to him like that type of like offensive role or

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is it is there other things that you're monitoring there,

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like what is the pathway? Because he sounds sounds like

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he's gonna be on this team on opening night, It's like,

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what is the best way for him to actually optimize

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himself or help optimize him this team one hundred percent.

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Speaker 3: It's it's the shot profile. With the Johnta Murray coming in,

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Bread is gonna be off the ball a lot more

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than he's used to being.

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Speaker 2: Uh, there's gonna be touches split between him, Dejontay, Zion,

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all these guys are like playing on the ball.

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Speaker 3: Somebody's gonna have to get those threes up. Now.

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Speaker 2: De Jontey hasn't been shy in getting those threes off,

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but he took a fair amount off the dribble threes

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as well. I don't know if Ba's comfortable taking off

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the dribble threes, and if he doesn't have the ball

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in his hands, he might not even have the opportunity

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to take a lot off the dribble threes. There's going

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to be a lot of kickouts. Zion's gonna get to

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the paint kickout, Deconte's gonna get to the pain kickout.

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They're gonna play up tempo and transition. He's gonna have

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to take those threes. Defensively, he's trended upwards since you

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know the Alvin Gentry and standmand gun to years every

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single year under Willy Green, I think Brandon's been solid

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and he's had moments of good defense, you know where

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I think previously he could have been called a liability.

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Now I think he holds his own and can be disruptive.

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He's gonna have to maintain that level of defensive intensity,

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and I'm just a little bit concerned where, Okay, you're

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gonna be a player that has to get threes up

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and then you're gonna have to play defense, and then

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you're gona have the rebound, then you're gonna have to facilitate.

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You're gonna be super Nick Batoom, which is a very

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very good player right, But is that the player he

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wants to be. Is that the player that he thinks

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is going to get a max. Ironically, that player would

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get a ton of money. I mean, we just saw

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we just saw og andob get a monster.

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Speaker 1: Between got like one thet nine figures back when it

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was a big deal to get nine fighters.

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Speaker 2: Exactly he got He actually got I think a twenty

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five percent max.

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Speaker 3: I think at the thirty.

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Speaker 2: But he got twenty five percent max that Betom did.

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But yeah, og Ojina knew we got a monster deal

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and Brandon's I don't think. I don't think it's a

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stretch to say by any means, the Brandon is a

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far better offensive player than Nanobi, just in terms of capability.

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Speaker 3: So can you.

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Speaker 2: Become this versatile glue guy and does that goal against

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your own self image?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I think that's kind of the battle here. It's like,

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we need you to plug in these holes. But he

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sees himself as the go to person, like the you know,

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like a Carmelo.

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Speaker 1: So if I had to force you to make a

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prediction on how this ends, whether it's he gets traded

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before the season, mid season, we take this to free agency,

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maybe we see an extension, maybe we see him resign.

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go up like very soon, because this is a team

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that could blow up, like everything that we talk about.

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If you had to predict how this ends, what would

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you go with.

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Speaker 2: I believe he would get traded mid season, closer to

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the trade deadline. I think the Pelicans would kicked tires

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around Jared Allen once again. You know there's going to

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be five days of trade eligibility there, uh for for

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Allen who signed his extension earlier this summer.

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Speaker 3: If that fit is going south.

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Speaker 2: For Cleveland, I Pelicans will one hundred percent be knocking

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on that door. Barring that, I think the Pelicans would

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accept just any kind of general Hey, let's just get

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some salary back that's maybe expiring, maybe a week pick

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or maybe some weirdly interesting young prospect.

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Speaker 3: Well I'm looking at I'm looking at.

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Speaker 2: Houston for example, right, what are they gonna do with

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Jalen Green and ouprin Shangoon? And if we get to

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the deadline and Houston's just out of this playing chase

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and not even like in playing contention, are they willing

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to do Jalen Green, maybe one of those future picks

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and and something, you know, some weird salary that they got.

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It's gonna be an unappetizing trait. The Pacers got three

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men picks, yeah, man picks and then you know, uh

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was it they sorry, yeah, they got three three picks,

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Speaker 1: Wasah, there's the twenty I guess the Indy's twenty twenty

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six pick is somewhat intriguing. But like if they have

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the Aacaman, Halburn and m Hardy, I don't know what, like,

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they're gonna be good.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, sorry, yeah, I keep saying the Pacers kind.

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But the Raptors did and they got the Bruce Brown

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contract and and.

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Speaker 3: That was essentially it.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, who's gonna be like the Bruce Brown thing

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that comes back in this deal? That's kind of like

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what I'm looking at, like the guy that's playable salary

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that you're hoping to flip later, you know, for for

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something I don't know. And and I think if that

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deal doesn't net a center for them, I could see

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the Pelicans taking some of if there's any draft capital

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that comes from that, or taking some of their own

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draft capital and attaching it to CJ and going after.

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Speaker 3: A center with that regard.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm looking at Nick Claxon in Brooklyn, who

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I think the Nets are going to be open for

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business for any of their players at this point, as

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long as you're willing to meet their price.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he would be so good on this team. He

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probably likes to like do stuff with the ball a

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little too much than what they're looking for, but he

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is so good. I love Nick Claxton, big Nick Claxton

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fan over here. So, de Jontay Murray was actually traded

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and it was to the New Orleans Pelicans just right off, Like,

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what was your thoughts on that trade.

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Speaker 3: I'm a big fan of it, you know.

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Speaker 2: I think I was campaigning for them to trade for

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Murray as soon as I you know, as soon as

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it became a parent that he was going to be

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on the trademarket back in like January or February, prior

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to the trade deadline. And you know, I wrote this

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article on the substack that they should go after Desjonty

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Murray and it's very likely that they would be able

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to get him without putting Brandon in the deal, and

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that would free them up to move Brandon to go

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complete the rest of the roster, and I thought conceptually

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that was very sound and they were able to do

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it with.

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Speaker 3: Dyson, who I love. I love Dyson.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if he would have reached his potential

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on this version of the Pelicans Larry Nance expiring salary

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and you know two I would say, eh, picks. I

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don't think they were fantastic picks that the Pelicans sent out.

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And so because of that, I thought, wow, home run deal,

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especially because of Murray's own deal by the way, Yeah, yeah, Murray, Murray.

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Murray's like twenty percent of the Salard cap. Twenty percent

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of the sald cap. Yeah, and you know, there was

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a little bit of a bump that he got because

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of his trade kicker the largest in history, but it's

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really not.

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Speaker 3: That big of a deal.

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Speaker 2: And I thought my argument was that Murray and Brandon

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statistically almost identical players, right in terms of in terms

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of like raw perduct like they were like last year

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it was like twenty two, like six and six, like

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both of them were like roughly at that amount. And

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then I thought the upside with Murray was a little

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bit greater because of his fit with Zion. I don't

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think Brandon and Zion can be involved in actions together

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because Brandon is not the greatest advantage creator, and so

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if you do like screen rolls with Brandon's the ball handler,

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he's not going to be able to turn the corner.

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sized players where I think Dejonte he's a lot quicker

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in his decisions and he gets downhill like quicker. He

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doesn't live at the rim or anything. That's still like

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something he needs to improve because he likes to operate

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in the mid range area as well. But I think

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that's a harder switch. Murray was a really really good

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isolation player too last year, so I think just being

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able to put Murray and Zion an action together. So

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if I'm getting Brandon but at twenty percent of the

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salary cap and maybe like a three percent or five

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percent better fit, yeah, that's a great player. Let me

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take that and then turn Brandon into something else, hopefully

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a center. They just that last bit they haven't been

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able to do. It's that last bit they haven't been

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able to do yet.

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Speaker 1: It seems like they were banking on it based off

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what the roster looks like currently. Yeah, that was actually

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one of my questions though with Murray, is that so

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you do think that it will invite more creative use

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of Zion away from the ball, where it feels like

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when he doesn't have the ball, it's either he's just

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like kind of coming up to go get it, or

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he's if he's off the ball completely, he doesn't feel

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like he's doing much a lot of the time when

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you're watching him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so.

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Speaker 2: And not only that, and just not having a center,

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they're gonna have to be creative. I think they're gonna

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they're gonna run a lot of small ball lineups. I

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think internally right now they're split on whether they should

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just start out the gates small as opposed to starting

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a token center for the first, you know, seven minutes

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of the first quarter, in the first seven minutes of

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the third quarter and never seeing another center again. That's

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kind of what they did with JAV this past year,

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and the poor JV. They were not They wouldn't even start

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him out of half some of these games, you know,

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and it's like, okay, you already committed to that, and

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then the person you were replacing JV was Larry Nance again,

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you know, solid player, but he was at best the

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two hundredth best player in the league.

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Speaker 3: Maybew hundred and fiftieth.

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Speaker 2: So it's like, in this case, you have Daniel Tice

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who's like in that range to fifty three hundred, or

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you can just start your best five players who are

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all top hundred players.

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Speaker 3: I feel like I am a I am.

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Speaker 2: Of the mindset that they should just start their best

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five players that having a nominal center who's not very

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good isn't really gonna help you just because they are

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they can play center. Atino Tics is six eight, so

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it's like not even he's like he's a real RCE center.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, looking at if Ingram is still on this team,

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I think in theory, Ingram will have to be the

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one that should need to adapt more. But I'm just

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wondering because Murray, as we saw in Atlanta, like he

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is someone who is more comfortable and took more of

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those catching shoots threes. Is it gonna be end up him?

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Maybe that's adapted. Like when you're looking at the three

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of these stars together, so long as they're playing together,

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who winds up making like or is gonna need to

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make the most adaptations to ensure this thing works while together.

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Speaker 3: That's a great question.

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Speaker 2: Historically, the way that the politics of this team have

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been set up like Zion's been the one like I'll

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take a backseat, right, that can't happen anymore. So the

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first thing that needs to happen is everybody needs to be.

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Speaker 3: On the same page as a Zion's team. I think

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Murray understands that.

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Speaker 2: I think he said something to that effect in his

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intro directory press conference where he said something like, that's

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our superstar.

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Speaker 3: So I think there's an understanding there.

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Speaker 2: Secondly, you know, Murray will have to adapt just because

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Brandon is also a good player, and you're gonna have

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to do things that gets your good player going. You

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can't just like, as much as I want it to

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be this perfect role player, like, you're gonna have to

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make them comfortable in some place in order to optimize

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everything that's going on. So Murray is gonna have to

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continue to take those threes. It's actually a contract incentive

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of his to make one hundred and one or one

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hundred and three. I forget, and he's such a number

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I love it. Yeah, Well, he made two hundred and

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something last year. It was over two hundred.

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Speaker 1: There was a point I think it was like before

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the All Star Breakers, he was shooting the hell out

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of off the dribble threes. It wasn't just like he

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finished like forty on catching shoots and that number on

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pull ups ended up dipping, but he was shooting the

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lights out on unassisted threes.

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Speaker 3: At one point.

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Speaker 1: It was wild.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he should. He made over two hundred last year.

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He needs to continue to take around seven to eight,

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and I'm okay with that being the shot that he takes.

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You know, I think some of these guys like Luca

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and an Ant who are just not the world's best shooters,

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but they take a lot of threes. They have nights

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where that three ball is falling and they're just on guard,

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like you just can't do anything with them, and it

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makes the defense, It warps the defensive coverage, it makes you,

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I don't know, it just changes how the teams guard you.

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Speaker 3: And I think Murray needs to continue to do that.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big believer in lead guards putting shots up

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from from deep. But he's gonna have a lot opportunities

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off the catch too. Brandon is a fantastic three point

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generator himself. He gets to the teeth of the defense

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and kicks it out. It's a good playmaker Zion. Of course,

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we know that he was ninth in the league and

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three point assists last year. Tenth was Murray actually, and

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so they're gonna have opportunities to take these shots and

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they absolutely need to. And kind of circling back to Brandon,

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he's gonna need to as well. He only made about

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eighty or so. He made less than Herb Jones, So

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it's like, who would have thought that.

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Speaker 1: You know, all things are possible through Herb Jones, So

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it's surprising about him anymore. Is there like a way

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would you know they're all gonna start? So it's like

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if you gave Ingram the quick hook and kind of

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staggered them that way, would that be a way to

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maybe alleviate like some of the awkwardness to where he's

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gonna get more time the independent of Murray at the least,

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maybe independent of both Zion and Murray and helped run

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those units. Is that something that you expect to try

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that they should try. That'll be like a heavy like

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staple of what they're doing.

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Speaker 3: Well, they they absolutely to answer your question.

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Speaker 2: Yes, because they staggered Zion and Brandon a lot last

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year because I think they quickly put together that starting

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unit that they that they would put out just didn't

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function correctly, and then they'd get into the stick.

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Speaker 1: With it for some reason. I don't understand it.

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Speaker 2: But I don't understand that either, and then they would

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do their stagger units, and their stagger units would destroy

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it didn't matter like who was you know, like the.

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Speaker 3: Brand units were very good.

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Speaker 2: The Zion units were very good too, So it was

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just like, I think they will probably continue to do

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that and then kind of figure out who Murray works

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best with. And I assume that they would experiment more

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with the Zion aspect of it first, because it certainly

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seems like those two are more of the players that

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are going to be here long term or in the

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near future than be I.

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Speaker 3: But you know, you never know. I do think stagger

477
00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:52,000
will be a big part of their strategy.

478
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,279
Speaker 1: Though you mentioned Trey Murphy and that you would just

479
00:21:55,319 --> 00:21:57,039
start the five best players right out of the gate.

480
00:21:57,160 --> 00:21:59,720
Do you one trust them to do that, but two

481
00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:01,400
if or not if they say, hey, we need to

482
00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,400
put Daniel Twice in the starting lineup, or whatever. Does

483
00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:07,440
that diminish the likelihood that Trey Murphy starts, or does

484
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:10,160
diminish the likelihood that I'm just assuming like CG. McCollum

485
00:22:10,200 --> 00:22:11,920
will come off the bench won't start.

486
00:22:13,240 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: So if they start Daniel Tye, two of HERB Jones, CJ. McCollum,

487
00:22:20,759 --> 00:22:23,079
or Trey Murphy come off the bench two of those three.

488
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:27,799
I think that's a ridiculous proposition because that's three very

489
00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,119
very good players, and if two of them are coming

490
00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:32,240
off the bench, something is going wrong and I want

491
00:22:32,279 --> 00:22:36,000
to do everything I can to maximize the minute like

492
00:22:36,079 --> 00:22:39,599
two of those threes play, right, The player I would

493
00:22:39,599 --> 00:22:41,640
bring off the bench is CJ. McCollum in any of

494
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:43,799
the scenarios. I think that is the one I would

495
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,119
absolutely do because I would like the Pelicans to be

496
00:22:47,160 --> 00:22:51,079
big at the perimeter positions as much as possible, knowing

497
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:52,640
that they're going to be weak at the center spot

498
00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:54,200
even with Tys, I would like.

499
00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:55,640
Speaker 3: Them to be big at the perimeter position.

500
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 1: Okay.

501
00:22:56,480 --> 00:23:02,200
Speaker 2: I also just think that CJ. Efficacy off the bench

502
00:23:02,799 --> 00:23:05,960
in this construction with Murray is gonna be a lot

503
00:23:06,039 --> 00:23:09,480
higher because there's just again the lack of touches and

504
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,200
if you're just relegating CJ to be a spot up

505
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:16,079
an attack, close out guy, Tray can do that just

506
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:18,279
as well, and he's a better defender, and he's a

507
00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:23,920
better rebounder, and you know, Tray can finish above the rim.

508
00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:26,319
So it's just one of those things where it's like,

509
00:23:26,599 --> 00:23:30,000
off the bench, CJ can maybe play that Jamal Crawford role,

510
00:23:30,319 --> 00:23:32,240
get some of his own stuff going, and still get

511
00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,799
a lot of like, you know, enough catch and shoots

512
00:23:33,839 --> 00:23:36,279
off of whichever stagger guy that he's playing off of.

513
00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:39,920
But yeah, I mean, my whole thing comes down to

514
00:23:40,599 --> 00:23:42,960
if you're bringing two guys off the bench that are

515
00:23:43,160 --> 00:23:46,119
very good players, they're gonna play with max twenty six

516
00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,480
twenty seven minutes a game, and that's just not enough

517
00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:52,119
minutes for a Trey Murphy or a Herb Jones and.

518
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:53,559
Speaker 3: Even a CJ McCollum.

519
00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:58,079
Speaker 2: But like I think, making it's only one person suffers

520
00:23:58,079 --> 00:24:00,519
that fade instead of two is the is the way

521
00:24:00,559 --> 00:24:00,799
to go.

522
00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:04,319
Speaker 1: So it does seem like then, based off what you're

523
00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:08,240
saying that if the roster stay is largely the same,

524
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,039
or let's just say Brandon Ingram is still on this

525
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:12,480
team on opening night and so with CJ. McCollum that

526
00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:15,640
this roster construction is gonna then result in more Zion

527
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:15,960
at the.

528
00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,279
Speaker 3: Five, Well, yes and no.

529
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:23,880
Speaker 2: I think hm, they will play as small and that

530
00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:25,960
doesn't necessarily mean Zion's guarding.

531
00:24:25,720 --> 00:24:28,160
Speaker 3: The five man. I think you will see.

532
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:31,400
Speaker 2: I think one, ye're gonna see those units are gonna

533
00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:35,240
switch everything, so like who guards the five really blurs.

534
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:36,880
You don't really know is guarding the five if they're

535
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:38,079
switching all the screens.

536
00:24:38,519 --> 00:24:38,960
Speaker 3: Two.

537
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 2: I think there's gonna be matchups where they do put

538
00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:44,000
Herb on the five, or they put a brand in

539
00:24:44,039 --> 00:24:47,119
on the five like.

540
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,480
Speaker 1: Herb of course, but like can Ingram do that in

541
00:24:50,519 --> 00:24:52,720
like a I'll call it a steady volume.

542
00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Ingram can do it in certain matchups. They

543
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,599
experimented with it a little bit last year. They put

544
00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,119
him a up against Alan and he held up. It's

545
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:04,960
just fine, And I think there's more of the rim

546
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:08,559
running type centers that they would do it on and

547
00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:10,759
allow Zion to roam.

548
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,799
Speaker 3: Zion's actually quite a good low man defender.

549
00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,319
Speaker 2: He likes to hunt some of these blocks and steals,

550
00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,160
so they like his defensive play making off the ball.

551
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,240
Speaker 3: Same thing with Herb Jones.

552
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:23,000
Speaker 2: It's like, if he's not at the point of attack,

553
00:25:23,039 --> 00:25:25,000
then you kind of want him in the lanes creating havoc.

554
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,960
So it's the advantage of just putting Ingram on some

555
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,960
of these slimmer centers that are really offensive non threats,

556
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000
because if you're playing against like the MAVs, then you

557
00:25:34,039 --> 00:25:36,079
want Gafford to be the one eating up all the

558
00:25:36,079 --> 00:25:36,759
possessions and.

559
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:38,200
Speaker 3: Not Luca eating up all the possessions.

560
00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:39,920
Speaker 2: So you kind of want to take teams out of

561
00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:41,960
their rhythm of how they're playing, and they think that

562
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,960
they have a mismatch with an Ingram or somebody, and

563
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:49,000
really it's Herb Jones that's waiting, waiting for you to

564
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,759
try to do something, and he's just going to take

565
00:25:50,759 --> 00:25:51,279
the ball from you.

566
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:55,079
Speaker 1: So where are you at. We haven't really talked about

567
00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:57,720
Zion much yet. Where he kind of at with the

568
00:25:57,759 --> 00:25:59,480
big fella, And well, like, what did you make I

569
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,759
think it was like what he did last year, Like

570
00:26:01,799 --> 00:26:04,519
I don't know, quarterway through the season, after the midseason tournament, whatever,

571
00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:08,119
you feel like a switch flipped defensively for him. So, like,

572
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:10,000
what was kind of the biggest difference you noticed in

573
00:26:10,039 --> 00:26:11,319
his performance last year?

574
00:26:12,440 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 3: It's almost like he had two different seasons within one season.

575
00:26:15,799 --> 00:26:18,680
Speaker 2: So I think for the first half of the season

576
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,160
he was a pretty disappointing player. I don't think he

577
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:24,960
was playing at a top fifty level. He was having

578
00:26:25,079 --> 00:26:29,880
his least efficient year. He was obviously not playing great defense.

579
00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,640
And he saw it culminate at the end season tournament

580
00:26:34,599 --> 00:26:38,119
in Vegas against the Lakers, and he just looked lethargic

581
00:26:38,240 --> 00:26:39,039
and they.

582
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,039
Speaker 3: Got embarrassed pretty badly.

583
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,799
Speaker 2: And then it started trending the other direction into where

584
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,079
he started. He started peaking in March. In April, it

585
00:26:48,160 --> 00:26:50,759
looked like, oh my god, the Destroyer of worlds is here.

586
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:56,680
Like this, this guy is wanting defensive assignments. He wants

587
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,440
to guard Kawhi, he wants to guard Lebron. He's, you know, block,

588
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,039
He's pinning Katie's stuff off the backboard. So it's just

589
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:08,160
like this was a completely different player. I'm optimistic that

590
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:11,079
that player is gonna be the one that walks through

591
00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:15,400
the door on Opening Night, just based off of all

592
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:18,359
of the reports around him. And it just seems like

593
00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,720
he's changed his lifestyle in a meaningful way. He's sort

594
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,640
he looks physically like he's in great shape this summer

595
00:27:26,839 --> 00:27:28,519
with all the pictures that have come out. We've been

596
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:30,680
fooled by the pictures before, so it's one of those

597
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,839
things like I gotta see it like in person.

598
00:27:32,599 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 3: I gotta see it in a game. But it's it

599
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:36,319
could be worse.

600
00:27:36,319 --> 00:27:39,759
Speaker 2: We've also seen the bad social media with regards to zions,

601
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:42,960
so like right now, it's a completely different summer than

602
00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,480
last summer, and the press has been nothing but positive.

603
00:27:45,599 --> 00:27:48,359
And I'm excited to see what you know, they want.

604
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,319
His stepdad said they want to get him down to

605
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,039
two seventy one, and he's currently at two eighty two

606
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,400
and he was at Duke. He was listed at two

607
00:27:56,400 --> 00:28:01,759
eighty five, So I'm excited to see what that what

608
00:28:01,799 --> 00:28:03,440
that looks like. You know, I think he.

609
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 3: Could be a very very different.

610
00:28:06,799 --> 00:28:09,279
Speaker 2: Player if he's not having to play his way into

611
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:11,920
shape for the first three four months of the season.

612
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 1: And you would hope that. I guess being lighter like

613
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,000
at least makes it less likely he's going to suffer

614
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,640
just some of these lower body injuries because it's just

615
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:22,319
such a bummers. But I mean, obviously the way he

616
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,720
was playing, but just like not being able to see

617
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,799
this guy in all these high stakes games. Really sucks

618
00:28:26,799 --> 00:28:28,799
because he's so good when he's operating at his peak.

619
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:31,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think, you know.

620
00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:33,039
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm a I'm not a doctor, so I

621
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:35,319
don't know about like the likelihood of injury or not.

622
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:36,559
Speaker 3: I'm not going to speculate on it.

623
00:28:36,599 --> 00:28:40,599
Speaker 2: But I do think that being lighter, from a personal experience,

624
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:46,960
makes you far more explosive, and it just reduces your

625
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,160
fatigue levels. And I think there is a link between

626
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:54,720
fatigue and injury. So if you're just constantly tired or

627
00:28:54,799 --> 00:28:56,839
sore or out of you know, that kind of stuff,

628
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,200
then you're more I think there's tendencies to get out

629
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,759
of shape or non schaut of shape, tendencies to get

630
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:05,839
hurt in those conditions. So I'm more excited for his

631
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:09,200
conditioning aspect of being letter. I think it's easier to

632
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,960
get in that elite conditioning that you need to be

633
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,720
as an NBA player when you're carrying less weight.

634
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: For sure, Trey Murphy sees a lot of attention for shooting,

635
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:19,839
the way he can go a bout of shooting and

636
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,480
be deployed. He is a lot more than that. And

637
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,440
I know that you're someone who's been like I don't

638
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,079
even want to say early on Murphy you were just

639
00:29:26,279 --> 00:29:28,680
you've been on top of Murphy from the beginning. What's

640
00:29:28,720 --> 00:29:30,799
something or stuff that he can do for this team

641
00:29:30,839 --> 00:29:33,720
that you think goes overlooked on sort of that macro scale.

642
00:29:35,119 --> 00:29:38,079
Speaker 2: For sure, they primarily use him as a spot up

643
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,839
guy and a spacer guy, and I think that's doing

644
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:46,000
themselves a disservice because he has more to offer. He

645
00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:49,359
is a guy in my opinion, that needs to be

646
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:53,599
used like Lowry market and is used in Utah. They

647
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:57,759
need to leverage his athleticism getting downhill without the ball

648
00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:05,119
getting in in motion. He can finish over people and

649
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,039
he's done that multiple times, and you're not going to

650
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:12,880
get that as often if it's just attacking closeouts. Sure,

651
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,559
that's always going to be a part of his game,

652
00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:16,160
and I think the three ball is always going to

653
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,599
be kind of the money maker.

654
00:30:17,799 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 3: But you can leverage the thread of.

655
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:24,039
Speaker 2: His shooting a as a screener, but be you know, just

656
00:30:24,119 --> 00:30:26,119
kind of like becoming a role man. We talked about

657
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:30,759
like the like size switch between Brain and Zion. One

658
00:30:30,759 --> 00:30:33,559
thing I think they can do with Trey is because

659
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,759
of how they use him, he ends up taking on

660
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:40,359
the worst defender of the opponent usually, so it's usually

661
00:30:40,359 --> 00:30:42,160
a small guard that's kind of hidden on him in

662
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,640
the corner. And if you start using him as a

663
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:48,240
screener with Zion, good luck, right, because you can't really

664
00:30:48,279 --> 00:30:52,519
switch that too. Now you can mix in rolls to

665
00:30:52,559 --> 00:30:54,799
the rim, because I think Trey can finish above the rim,

666
00:30:54,920 --> 00:30:57,559
and so it's like, oh, did you just invent a

667
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,319
lob threat for Zion, Like, yeah, he's right there. Try

668
00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:04,440
it too. That pick and pop is going to generate

669
00:31:04,519 --> 00:31:06,400
an easy look every single time. So I think you

670
00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,519
can simplify the game and get in more touches, and

671
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:11,200
I think there's other things that you can do just

672
00:31:11,240 --> 00:31:14,119
off the ball, where using his shooting gravity to like

673
00:31:14,279 --> 00:31:17,240
spring other people open and just kind of create space

674
00:31:17,279 --> 00:31:19,799
on the weak side of the court. So I do

675
00:31:19,839 --> 00:31:23,480
think there's a lot of creativity that they need to

676
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,640
bring this season, and I'm optimistic they will.

677
00:31:27,799 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: I don't know if they have, like just based off

678
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:32,319
the hierarchy politics here, it also feels like if Zion

679
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:35,000
was screening for him, that that's like a capability that

680
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:36,680
Trey Murphy would have just based off some of the

681
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,240
passes he's made on drives, but like, he's not a

682
00:31:39,319 --> 00:31:41,799
high turnover guy. We've seen him navigate some tight spots

683
00:31:41,839 --> 00:31:43,240
in the half court when he is on the ball.

684
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,119
Sometimes it just doesn't happen a time. So I would

685
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,920
love to see something like that. But also the reality

686
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,079
of the situation is what you laid out feels far

687
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:52,359
more likely because it plugs and plays into how the

688
00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:54,920
Pelicans are already operating, whereas this feels like more of

689
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:57,720
a wholesale shift, especially when you're adding to Jontay Murray

690
00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:58,839
and brend and Ingram are still.

691
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 3: On this team. Well, I think you're right.

692
00:32:00,799 --> 00:32:03,279
Speaker 2: I think it's really easy for them to do. Like

693
00:32:03,359 --> 00:32:06,200
let's say Zion gets the ball around the wing and

694
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,920
Tray's you know, and the corner closest to him. I mean,

695
00:32:09,039 --> 00:32:12,400
Zion takes a dribble, breaks in the defense, and then

696
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,000
Trey flies over for a handoff, and Zion goes for

697
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,640
a handoff. Trey's probably gonna have an open three there.

698
00:32:17,759 --> 00:32:19,680
But let's say the defender's really good and gets over

699
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:21,759
that screen and smile as a handoff. Okay, Well, Trey

700
00:32:21,799 --> 00:32:23,200
puts the ball on the floor. Now you just got

701
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:26,359
a baked in pick and roll. With Zion on the

702
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,680
empty side, and Tray's shown that he can make those

703
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,599
pocket passes, and now Zion's on the move going to

704
00:32:31,599 --> 00:32:34,039
the rim. So it's just like, yes, please give me

705
00:32:34,079 --> 00:32:37,039
more of your pick or poison with the rim king

706
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,599
and the elite shooter, Like just figure like that should

707
00:32:39,599 --> 00:32:40,519
be easy basketball.

708
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: Is there any like I don't want to call it

709
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:45,240
a weakness, but an area of development that you're still

710
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:46,880
like kind of monitoring with him to see how it

711
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:47,799
pans out.

712
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 2: With Tray, Yeah, defensively and just activity on the boards.

713
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,759
Speaker 3: I think offense, we already.

714
00:32:56,440 --> 00:32:58,279
Speaker 2: Know his floor as an offensive player, and I think

715
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:01,200
that floor is you can plug him into any team

716
00:33:01,319 --> 00:33:04,720
and just be elite. I think what's gonna tip him

717
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:07,880
over to being one of these guys that get some

718
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:10,720
of these og In Andov type deals later on in

719
00:33:10,799 --> 00:33:13,799
their career is how well he can hold up defensively

720
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:18,119
across multiple positions. And I think in Virginia and college

721
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,119
he was a very very good defender, and in the

722
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:23,720
NBA he's been not that great, and then those trending

723
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:26,240
upwards last year and to where he was like okay

724
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,599
by the end of the year. He was also kind

725
00:33:27,599 --> 00:33:29,799
of like Zion, like, oh, you're blocking shots that I

726
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:31,680
didn't see you blocked before. You know, you're going after

727
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:32,799
rebounds that I didn't see you do.

728
00:33:33,240 --> 00:33:37,599
Speaker 3: And so I know he has it in him, just got.

729
00:33:37,359 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 2: To bring it out consistently. And that's that's where I'm

730
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:42,480
really looking for a lot of strides.

731
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,279
Speaker 1: I was having this discussion with Greg Wissinger from The

732
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:49,680
King's Herald about Keegan Murray and his extension next year.

733
00:33:49,839 --> 00:33:52,279
Is Trey Murphy belonging the like will he be one

734
00:33:52,279 --> 00:33:54,400
of the you know ball That mistest is based off

735
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:56,880
the reaction to what he gets an extension, because you're

736
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,960
throwing numbers out before when you said in the twenties,

737
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,880
I'm like, they get Tree Murphy locked down in the

738
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,640
twenties per year. That's gonna be a steel, It's gonna

739
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:04,200
be a feel.

740
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,720
Speaker 2: Look, I think his deal is gonna be somewhere in

741
00:34:07,759 --> 00:34:10,639
the realm of five years, one hundred and.

742
00:34:10,639 --> 00:34:12,599
Speaker 3: Fifty two hundred and seventy million dollars.

743
00:34:13,480 --> 00:34:16,599
Speaker 1: So that's a manual quickly money, And that's perfectly fine.

744
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's quickly. I think kind of set this

745
00:34:21,039 --> 00:34:24,639
market for some of those guys, unfortunately, And I think

746
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,199
that was an insane deal for the Raptors to give there.

747
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,119
Speaker 3: I don't even know who they were bidding against.

748
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,800
Speaker 2: But that's that's that's that's how the league played out.

749
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the market this summer was just so bizarre. I

750
00:34:39,039 --> 00:34:41,559
had I ended up having such a bad feel for it.

751
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,079
And we didn't see there were no offer sheets given

752
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:45,760
out this year, right, and wasn't last year. We only

753
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:48,039
had the Paul Reid off for sheet late in the summer.

754
00:34:48,079 --> 00:34:49,599
So I'm trying to think just off rip, like I

755
00:34:49,639 --> 00:34:52,719
don't know who these who the Pacers been against, Robie Topping,

756
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:54,119
Like why did he get above the mining?

757
00:34:54,199 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, Yeah.

758
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 2: Look, I think some of the Pacers are another team

759
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:01,360
where I just think that they had this kind of

760
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,239
window with Halliburton and now they've just locked up all

761
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,119
of these guys to keep their same team. And like, yeah,

762
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:08,960
you made the Eastern Conference finals, so you feel good

763
00:35:08,960 --> 00:35:09,360
about it.

764
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 3: But it's just like.

765
00:35:11,599 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 2: You need to be salarly flexible in the worst way

766
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:16,719
as as some of these small market teams, and you

767
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:18,960
need to be able to move off your current build

768
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,239
and just restructure around your star. And I think that's

769
00:35:21,280 --> 00:35:24,239
one thing, you know, for all Darryl Morey's works that

770
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:26,599
like he was able to do repeatedly around James Harden

771
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:30,960
was just kind of invent a new team. And that

772
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:35,719
just because you stay flexible at the margins. Committing four

773
00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,320
years to a thirty two year old small guard in

774
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:41,639
t J McConnell when you just played paid m hard,

775
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:47,320
it's just like why, why, why would you do that?

776
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,280
And it's just four years. He's thirty two years old,

777
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,800
he's gonna be thirty six by the end of the deal.

778
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:52,760
And you're like, oh, well, it's not that much money.

779
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:57,639
It's like, cool, Tyree Saliburton got the All NBA bonus,

780
00:35:58,000 --> 00:35:59,960
so that's five more percent that you weren't accounted for.

781
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,280
Pass Klos yakams around thirty percent of the cass so

782
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:05,519
together they're making sixty percent. And then now you're just

783
00:36:05,599 --> 00:36:07,880
handing out deals to role players. Granted he was great

784
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:10,960
in the playoffs, but it's just like, man, I don't know,

785
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:12,639
I just I wouldn't.

786
00:36:12,239 --> 00:36:12,639
Speaker 3: Have done that.

787
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: I actually probably have a bigger problem with the obi

788
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,800
toping of it all than I do.

789
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:18,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, yeah, the same concept.

790
00:36:18,840 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: Herb Jones last year shooting receives a ton of attention.

791
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,320
Anecdotally and somewhat statistically when you dig into it did

792
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,280
feel like he was doing like more offensive initiation. Is

793
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:30,880
that gonna fall by the wayside now looking at the

794
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,599
construct of this team, and is there may be room

795
00:36:32,679 --> 00:36:34,639
to kind of use him more as like well, look

796
00:36:34,639 --> 00:36:36,119
at herb Jones like kind of operating out of the

797
00:36:36,119 --> 00:36:38,280
short role, because we did see a like I remember

798
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,039
at leasting a couple possession where it looked like he

799
00:36:40,079 --> 00:36:43,480
was doing that. So like, how can he be like

800
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,239
deployed and continued creative ways offensively because he was just

801
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:49,360
so much more than his shooting improvement last year.

802
00:36:49,840 --> 00:36:52,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, same thing with Trey. Just get these guys involved

803
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,760
in the action a lot more. Get them screening, get

804
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,639
them screening off ball, on the ball, just and again,

805
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:03,360
her is athletic enough to where you get him going downhill,

806
00:37:03,559 --> 00:37:05,800
he's gonna finish and he's gonna finish well, or he's

807
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:07,159
gonna get to the free throw line.

808
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:09,039
Speaker 3: So run a pick and roll.

809
00:37:09,039 --> 00:37:11,440
Speaker 2: Especially if you're doing some of these small ball units,

810
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,360
like if Zion has the ball in his hands and

811
00:37:13,400 --> 00:37:16,000
you got b I spotting up and de Jonathan's spotting

812
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,920
up and Tray spotting up, like, yeah, like run a

813
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:19,920
screen roll with her.

814
00:37:21,239 --> 00:37:23,039
Speaker 3: It's gonna be great. You're gonna have a great time.

815
00:37:23,079 --> 00:37:23,480
Trust me.

816
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:26,760
Speaker 1: I entertaining too to watch stuff like that.

817
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:30,000
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, they're gonna have to get built.

818
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,599
Speaker 1: To do that. I hope that that becomes like just staple.

819
00:37:33,679 --> 00:37:34,559
Speaker 3: That's what I think is.

820
00:37:34,559 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 2: Like, Look, you're not gonna win playing traditionally because the

821
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:42,760
traditional guy you're playing is just not a good player.

822
00:37:43,119 --> 00:37:47,239
And and so you're trying to play against these other

823
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,119
teams who have better players at that position, and in

824
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:53,519
the West, elite players at that position, elite elite bigs

825
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:57,800
in the West man and so you gotta do something

826
00:37:57,840 --> 00:38:00,639
that's different, and you have to hammer your strengths. And

827
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,880
right now, unfortunately, your strengths.

828
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 3: Are your wings.

829
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 2: You have a lot of wings that are like sized,

830
00:38:06,519 --> 00:38:09,480
and they're good offensively and they can wreck hav defensively.

831
00:38:09,639 --> 00:38:12,679
So just be big one through four in the five position,

832
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,400
you're gonna see the up size, but you're gonna have

833
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:16,400
a ton of offense there.

834
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,039
Speaker 1: So who cares when you look at the centers who

835
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:23,000
are on their team, do you have any like overarching

836
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:27,599
sentiment Like I've talked myself into Carlo Makovich, like maybe

837
00:38:27,599 --> 00:38:30,000
we should get him some minutes. But when I'm looking

838
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:31,639
at this and seem like, I know, Daniel Tyson isn't

839
00:38:31,679 --> 00:38:33,920
super old. He seems older than he actually is, but

840
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:36,320
probably because he's dealt with so many injuries. But like

841
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,199
I'm assuming Tys is the most important, like non Zion

842
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:43,519
like big on this, like conventional big, And then do

843
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,920
you see him like Makovich or maybe me like getting

844
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,559
an opportunity. I don't know what to make of it.

845
00:38:48,760 --> 00:38:50,119
And we're at the point of the offseeas where I

846
00:38:50,159 --> 00:38:52,360
have talked myself into Carlo, like I feel like that

847
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,039
dude could make like a little bit of an impact,

848
00:38:54,039 --> 00:38:55,079
like he was able to do this in that in

849
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:58,400
Summer League, look like he was moving well defensively. So

850
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:02,000
I I just don't know where It's just it's such

851
00:39:02,000 --> 00:39:04,920
a curious roster. It makes sense the stuff they're doing

852
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,719
independent of the bigs, but to not have like a

853
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:11,400
center that you trust just feels so weird to me.

854
00:39:12,079 --> 00:39:14,960
Speaker 2: I don't think they should give minutes to either Carlo

855
00:39:15,199 --> 00:39:20,760
or mec or even Jerry unless unless absolutely needed, right,

856
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:24,199
because like I'm just looking at the minute allocation and

857
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,599
if you're bringing some of these dudes off the bench

858
00:39:27,199 --> 00:39:29,880
that are not going to start. There's just no way

859
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,920
you're gonna be able to give them the requisite minutes

860
00:39:34,239 --> 00:39:35,199
unless you play a.

861
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:36,800
Speaker 3: Lot of small ball stuff.

862
00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:39,199
Speaker 2: And so if you're playing a lot of small ball stuff,

863
00:39:39,199 --> 00:39:41,039
then you don't have room to give minutes those other guys.

864
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:45,639
And so it's either one of those guys getting fourteen

865
00:39:45,960 --> 00:39:48,679
to twenty minutes a game as a starter, or one

866
00:39:48,679 --> 00:39:51,039
of those guys getting fourteen to twenty minutes off the bench,

867
00:39:51,480 --> 00:39:53,840
and there's really no more minutes to give to anybody else.

868
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:55,840
In my opinion, I just wouldn't even fool around with it.

869
00:39:55,880 --> 00:40:00,519
I mean, look, in the preseason, sure whatever, figure out

870
00:40:00,519 --> 00:40:03,199
what you can do. Maybe if someone's blowing you in camp,

871
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:04,599
you find a way to get someone minutes.

872
00:40:05,320 --> 00:40:07,639
Speaker 3: I just don't even know. If I would spend time

873
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:09,800
practicing that stuff, I would just start.

874
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: I would I would practice being small and just being

875
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,280
the best possible small team.

876
00:40:14,320 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: But hey, I'm not the coach.

877
00:40:16,519 --> 00:40:18,360
Speaker 1: So what is You can kind of glean this from

878
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:20,280
the names that are most mentioned with the Pelicans, which

879
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:22,280
right now I feel like Walker Kessler and still Jared

880
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,719
Allen FLT. Right out there. But what is like the

881
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:27,840
single biggest thing the Pelicans need out of a five.

882
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 3: Being a five? No, they that's a great question, I

883
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:39,719
think he I think they would.

884
00:40:39,559 --> 00:40:41,920
Speaker 2: Want a guy that could finish above the prip first

885
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,360
and foremost, and then a guy that can rebound the

886
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,400
ball at a high level, and two is mobile enough

887
00:40:51,119 --> 00:40:54,440
to play different schemes defensively. Now, you don't have to

888
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,559
be able to switch one through five every single time,

889
00:40:58,079 --> 00:40:59,440
but you do have to be able to play at

890
00:40:59,440 --> 00:41:01,039
the level of the screen. You do have to be

891
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:03,960
able to get out the shooters. You do have to

892
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,079
be able to change it up. So I think just

893
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:10,159
mobility and speed first and foremost or what they're looking for,

894
00:41:10,519 --> 00:41:14,960
and then offensively. You know, I don't think they are

895
00:41:15,039 --> 00:41:17,880
married to the idea of getting a stretch five simply

896
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:20,360
because it limits them so much into the terms of

897
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,199
the guys that are actually available. You want good players,

898
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:26,559
so they think they can create spacing if they have

899
00:41:26,599 --> 00:41:28,679
a vertical threat. You know, if they have a vertical

900
00:41:28,679 --> 00:41:31,159
threat with Zion and you build a wall, then you

901
00:41:31,199 --> 00:41:32,920
plant the guy behind the walls and I'm just gonna

902
00:41:32,920 --> 00:41:35,960
throw over that wall. You know, same thing with Murray

903
00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,679
and so just offensively, don't be a zero and be

904
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:41,880
able to finish above the rims.

905
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,519
Speaker 1: What I would say, have you given thought to any

906
00:41:44,639 --> 00:41:48,159
names aside from Walker Kessler or Jared Allen that would

907
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:50,559
be worth monitoring? And is this team? I guess they

908
00:41:50,599 --> 00:41:53,000
have like the trade exceptions that they could take someone into,

909
00:41:53,039 --> 00:41:55,000
and there's draft Aculdy they could send out, but just

910
00:41:55,039 --> 00:41:57,480
based off now we've gotten to the point because Dyson

911
00:41:57,519 --> 00:42:00,679
Daniels has gone, Larny Hunters gone. The outgoing salaries in

912
00:42:00,679 --> 00:42:02,760
a lot of these cases are just massive, or you're

913
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:04,719
dealing because you're not trading your core players of like

914
00:42:04,760 --> 00:42:08,880
Herb or Trey Murphy. So it's almost like they're only built.

915
00:42:09,119 --> 00:42:11,440
Maybe it's not a blockbuster center coming in, but they're

916
00:42:11,440 --> 00:42:14,440
only built to make a blockbuster trade and getting like

917
00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:16,559
a center, maybe like a mid end center or a

918
00:42:16,599 --> 00:42:18,679
lower end center will come back as part of that deal.

919
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:21,119
But that's some of the issues I've run into with them,

920
00:42:21,199 --> 00:42:23,360
is that I don't know if there's just like, oh,

921
00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:25,599
they swung and hit a side, like even getting Dayron

922
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:29,000
Sharp to the Pelicans for instance, can be somewhat challenging.

923
00:42:29,079 --> 00:42:30,719
But they do have the trade exceptions they could take

924
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,440
them into, So I guess there's that. But given thought

925
00:42:32,480 --> 00:42:34,719
to any names outside of the two that are mentioned

926
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:35,440
the most.

927
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:37,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, the Walker Casher thing is interesting

928
00:42:37,679 --> 00:42:40,800
because the trade construction I do with Brandon is Kessler

929
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,880
and Collins because I give them two looks at two

930
00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:45,119
different kinds of centers. Right, So it's just like, cool,

931
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:47,400
you got the balancy young guy that can also shoot

932
00:42:47,400 --> 00:42:49,239
three is and then you got the traditional drop big

933
00:42:49,679 --> 00:42:52,760
two block shots. I love that because I'm like, you

934
00:42:52,760 --> 00:42:54,639
can go in any direction. You have two bigs, you

935
00:42:54,639 --> 00:42:58,960
feel good about them. The one that I keep coming

936
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:03,079
back to is the CJ. McCollum DeAndre Aida Aiden Challenge.

937
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:05,800
I think that's it's a festival.

938
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 3: Of sadness that no one wants to be a part of.

939
00:43:07,559 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 2: But I'm like, I think by February someone can get

940
00:43:10,039 --> 00:43:12,960
desperate enough to be like, Okay, if you're Portland, you

941
00:43:13,039 --> 00:43:16,400
just want to clear minutes for Klinging and you just

942
00:43:16,440 --> 00:43:17,400
want Aiden out of there.

943
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 3: And then if.

944
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 2: You're the Pels, they're roughly the same salary, so you

945
00:43:21,079 --> 00:43:23,920
just kind of make that happen and they have the

946
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,119
same amount of years left, so it's like CG would

947
00:43:26,119 --> 00:43:28,280
be expiring next year, AID would be in expiring next year.

948
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:28,679
Speaker 3: You could.

949
00:43:28,960 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 2: It won't prevent you from making any of the moves

950
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:34,599
that you want to move make. What would really need

951
00:43:34,639 --> 00:43:36,760
to happen is then Brandon needs to be traded for

952
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:41,000
like a lot of like expiring money that way, you know,

953
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:43,880
because you just can't have money coming back in the

954
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,760
Brandon trade. That's long term, you're going to be over

955
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,960
the text. But that one's a fun one obviously mentioned.

956
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:50,719
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you right now, I'm so out on

957
00:43:51,119 --> 00:43:53,400
I'd rather them take a flyer on Robert Williams the

958
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:55,559
third somehow, Like I just that.

959
00:43:55,400 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: That's the perfect Pelicans player, play thirty five games a.

960
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 3: Year and be really good, but then just not be available.

961
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:02,119
Speaker 1: That's yeah, there you go.

962
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 3: Sounds like a good fit. Uh yeah, I don't know.

963
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 2: I don't know how they can get to the problem

964
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:10,920
with like like Robert Williams and Wendell Carter is there's

965
00:44:10,920 --> 00:44:13,159
no real way to get to their their dollar figure,

966
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:16,639
as you mentioned, like just large salaries that the Pelicans have,

967
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,480
so they don't have to get creative, get multiple teams involved.

968
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:23,119
There's always like you know, there's always the Clint Capellas

969
00:44:23,159 --> 00:44:25,400
of the world that because he's in expiring, maybe they

970
00:44:25,440 --> 00:44:29,239
can work something out with Clinton and the Hawks. But

971
00:44:30,400 --> 00:44:34,239
it's it's pretty dire, man, Like, there's not a great

972
00:44:34,280 --> 00:44:37,320
selection of bigs they could do it.

973
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,480
Speaker 1: For you at all. Like there might be like trade

974
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:41,920
deadline when restrictions left. Maybe yeah, but.

975
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:45,280
Speaker 2: Again, back, like that's just such a weird salary because

976
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:47,480
he's like Isaiah Stewart's like a sixteen million year So

977
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:47,920
it's just like.

978
00:44:48,880 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 1: Fun to heel back. We're at twenty three now, we're

979
00:44:50,920 --> 00:44:52,159
kind of we're cooking with something here.

980
00:44:52,280 --> 00:44:54,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, yeah, Trajan should love one of c

981
00:44:54,800 --> 00:45:01,239
j or Brandon, right, yeah, man, it's it's tough to

982
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,840
be honest, it's super tough to construct. I mean, Kestler, Collins,

983
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:09,079
Alan Claxton are like the main ones I look at

984
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:11,119
anything else, like I think.

985
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,039
Speaker 3: It could be anybody's guess.

986
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:19,800
Speaker 2: They really they really really liked d in the draft,

987
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:22,760
and they liked Klingen. Of course, they liked the Behemoths

988
00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:28,480
and unfortunately we're not you know, they attempted to trade

989
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:29,360
up for them, but.

990
00:45:29,559 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 3: I think it didn't pan out obviously.

991
00:45:32,679 --> 00:45:36,039
Speaker 1: Uh, what is so they've what were they six in

992
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,920
defense last year despite not having a five that you

993
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:42,719
would call a top tier rim protector. I have two questions,

994
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:44,440
one of which might just be stupid, but the first

995
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:46,880
one's not just like for a listeners, like, what goes

996
00:45:46,880 --> 00:45:49,760
into the Pelicans being so good or being able to

997
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:54,360
be so good defensively without having that elite type of

998
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,239
big man where a lot of the times you like,

999
00:45:56,320 --> 00:45:59,039
even teams that like the Celtics the way they defend

1000
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:01,159
like they still have like one or two elite big men,

1001
00:46:01,199 --> 00:46:03,880
depending on how you feel about Al Horford. What allows

1002
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,039
the and obviously Zion is an only big man, but

1003
00:46:06,039 --> 00:46:08,360
what allows the Pelicans like to be so good defensively

1004
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,519
without that conventional type of defensive big man.

1005
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:13,119
Speaker 3: A few things.

1006
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:17,960
Speaker 2: One, they sell out to prevent shots at the rim,

1007
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,199
so pack the paint style defense.

1008
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:21,920
Speaker 3: Will give up threes if we have to. They do.

1009
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,159
They give up a good number of threes.

1010
00:46:23,159 --> 00:46:24,599
Speaker 2: I think it's like top five in the league that

1011
00:46:24,599 --> 00:46:28,760
they give up but sell out to protect the rim,

1012
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:31,039
protect the paint. So we don't have a good rim protector.

1013
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,000
That's correct, But you're not going to get to the

1014
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:35,800
rim that we're just going to make it very difficult

1015
00:46:35,840 --> 00:46:40,920
to do. Secondly, what they do is they generate a

1016
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:46,280
lot of turnovers. So Jose Alvarado, Herb Jones, Dyson Daniels,

1017
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:51,119
even Larry Nancenauji Marshall. These people were always forcing steals.

1018
00:46:51,880 --> 00:46:53,679
You know, Zion two when he started getting in shape.

1019
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:58,000
Just a lot of guys that can generate turnovers. That

1020
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:02,159
helped them defensively, and they were they've been you know,

1021
00:47:02,239 --> 00:47:04,599
I forgot, actually forgot where they finished at. But they've

1022
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,000
historically over the last few years, they've been a decent

1023
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:09,480
rebounding team and.

1024
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 3: That helps them. It's just kind of not giving up

1025
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:12,760
second chances.

1026
00:47:12,800 --> 00:47:16,320
Speaker 2: So they they kind of clean up the low hanging

1027
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:20,039
fruit and recognize that, Okay, we you know, we can't

1028
00:47:20,039 --> 00:47:21,639
really protect the riom. Oh. And the last thing is

1029
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:25,239
they were one of they were the best team at

1030
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:27,280
defending the three point line.

1031
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 1: No luck involved there though, right, that's just completely it's all.

1032
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:35,840
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, people go back and forth on that.

1033
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:44,360
I have certainly like the Analytically, it's very very difficult

1034
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,559
to prove or even find evidence that it's anything but luck.

1035
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:54,119
It's very difficult to Yeah, it's it's it's all. It's

1036
00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,639
all variance. If if you look at the data, it's like, cool,

1037
00:47:56,679 --> 00:47:59,360
there's nothing we can do experimentally that like tells us

1038
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:03,079
that it's not very But that's with publicly available data,

1039
00:48:03,440 --> 00:48:07,320
and you know, measuring certain baltuables. I don't know if

1040
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:09,840
we have an accurate way to measure herb Jones yet.

1041
00:48:09,639 --> 00:48:12,679
Speaker 1: So we didn't metric named after herb Jones. We've got

1042
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:14,079
Lebron and raptor.

1043
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,039
Speaker 3: Just herb Jones.

1044
00:48:17,159 --> 00:48:19,039
Speaker 1: Well, this was my second question about it. So the

1045
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,719
turnover aspect, I think with now Murray and his current role,

1046
00:48:22,719 --> 00:48:24,360
like being able to play with herb Jones, even this

1047
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:28,559
version of Ingram or what we think Trey Murphy could be, Like,

1048
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:30,000
I feel like he can do stuff like that and

1049
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,039
he'll look a lot better defensively in New Orleans. The

1050
00:48:32,119 --> 00:48:35,119
rebounding aspect, I'm wondering if there's a concern there about

1051
00:48:35,119 --> 00:48:38,079
compromising their defense because you lost Valance Unis, but you

1052
00:48:38,119 --> 00:48:41,440
also lost Naji Marshall was a pretty good positional rebounder.

1053
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,400
So is there any level of concern there about that

1054
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,679
impacting their defense in the sense of being able to

1055
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:47,880
end possessions just because as you mentioned, they are good

1056
00:48:47,880 --> 00:48:50,440
at preventing those second chance opportunities.

1057
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:52,079
Speaker 3: Big time, big time. JV was a monster.

1058
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: Just you look at off rebounds. Was with him for

1059
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:56,039
a fucking wild.

1060
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, JV was a monster. So there's a huge concern

1061
00:48:59,440 --> 00:48:59,719
for me.

1062
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:02,800
Speaker 2: They're gonna have to get created, They're gonna have to

1063
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:07,039
gang rebound. Dejonte's gonna be have to be a person

1064
00:49:07,079 --> 00:49:08,679
that was closer to the Spurs level where he was

1065
00:49:08,719 --> 00:49:11,320
at like around eight or nine a game, as opposed

1066
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:14,159
to you know on six that he's been with the Hawks.

1067
00:49:14,199 --> 00:49:16,920
So same thing with Zion, same thing with Brain, all

1068
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,480
of those guys. It's gonna be a collective effort to

1069
00:49:20,519 --> 00:49:22,639
get those, but it might just end up being a

1070
00:49:22,679 --> 00:49:24,480
thing where like Okay see was like what twenty eighth

1071
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:27,039
or twenty ninth in defensive rebounding, but they were so

1072
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,039
good at every other aspect of defense.

1073
00:49:29,159 --> 00:49:29,360
Speaker 3: You know.

1074
00:49:29,760 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 2: The one thing Depelicans don't have that Okac had was

1075
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:36,159
an incredible room protector like Chet. But they're gonna have

1076
00:49:36,199 --> 00:49:38,000
to do a lot of what Okac did is like

1077
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:41,159
be great offensively. So you're playing a lot more half

1078
00:49:41,199 --> 00:49:44,360
court defense than you are a transition defense, and that

1079
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:45,280
helps you a lot.

1080
00:49:45,519 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 3: And then you know, generated shits.

1081
00:49:48,119 --> 00:49:51,639
Speaker 2: On of turnovers and and just swarm, just swarm teams,

1082
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:53,000
so by being faster than them.

1083
00:49:53,119 --> 00:49:54,960
Speaker 1: They also I was like either the second half of

1084
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,360
the year or the latter third of the year, Like

1085
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,079
okay SE's wings and cards were like selling out to

1086
00:49:59,199 --> 00:50:02,280
just box out people so that they're big cigret rebounds

1087
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:04,679
and their defensive rebounding rate shot through the roof during

1088
00:50:04,719 --> 00:50:06,840
that spand so you could also try and do something

1089
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:08,679
like that since you have so many of those wing types.

1090
00:50:09,159 --> 00:50:12,519
Jordan Hawkins, where's he fit into the vision of this team.

1091
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 3: I'm not sure that he does. To be honest, I

1092
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,000
wasn't you know. I wasn't the biggest fan of that pick.

1093
00:50:19,079 --> 00:50:19,760
In general.

1094
00:50:20,079 --> 00:50:23,760
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of drafting specialists, and that's what

1095
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,880
I pegged Jordan as He's going to have to be

1096
00:50:26,960 --> 00:50:31,360
a player that hits a shot at an elite level

1097
00:50:31,400 --> 00:50:34,719
at a high volume, because if he doesn't, then he's

1098
00:50:34,760 --> 00:50:36,760
not going to be able to provide value to the

1099
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:41,320
Pelicans because he doesn't yet contribute anywhere else on the court.

1100
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,480
You know, he's not a great finisher, he's not a

1101
00:50:43,519 --> 00:50:47,119
good playmaker, not a good reboundary, he's not a good defender,

1102
00:50:47,159 --> 00:50:49,280
he's not a good turnover generator. So it's just like

1103
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,639
it's a ton of boxes that you can check that

1104
00:50:52,719 --> 00:50:56,440
were negative and his shot just wasn't good enough last year.

1105
00:50:56,880 --> 00:51:00,119
If you're looking at Jose Alvarado off the bench, and

1106
00:51:00,199 --> 00:51:02,599
Jose has done nothing but win his minutes ever since

1107
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:05,760
he's come to the Pelicans. If you're looking at potentially CJ.

1108
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,000
McCollum off the bench, and there's no way that you

1109
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,000
can get Hawkins on the court because now they got

1110
00:51:11,039 --> 00:51:13,280
Javonte Green as well, and that guy is by the way,

1111
00:51:13,559 --> 00:51:16,400
that guy's gonna earn minutes. Yeah, yeah, he's gonna find

1112
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:17,159
his way into minutes.

1113
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:18,199
Speaker 3: He absolutely is.

1114
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,800
Speaker 1: Go about someone who will guard up that is just

1115
00:51:20,920 --> 00:51:22,960
like Davonte Green. Love Davontae. That was a good pick

1116
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,719
up by them. If he's able to stay healthy, yeah,

1117
00:51:24,719 --> 00:51:27,360
I think he'll get minutes. Uh are you ready to

1118
00:51:27,599 --> 00:51:30,679
enter the lightning round? Cookie cutter? Portion of these podcasts

1119
00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:35,840
do it? Is there something good, bad, strength, weakness, storyline development,

1120
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,440
whatever that's flying under the radar that you think needs

1121
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:40,000
to be discussed more.

1122
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: Flying under the radar?

1123
00:51:43,320 --> 00:51:47,199
Speaker 2: Yes, I would say it's how Willie Green's gonna handle

1124
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,719
the season. So last year they brought on James Birego

1125
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:57,199
to facilitate with the offensive execution and the offensive schemes,

1126
00:51:58,079 --> 00:52:02,519
and about part way early on in the season, they

1127
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:06,159
abandoned a lot of those principles of philosophies. Now there's

1128
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,079
a couple of different reasons why they may or may

1129
00:52:09,119 --> 00:52:12,719
not have happened, but the important one is the important

1130
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:16,199
thing here is they went away from it. It's imperative

1131
00:52:16,280 --> 00:52:19,679
that the Pelicans not go away from that style of

1132
00:52:19,679 --> 00:52:22,440
play this coming year, and in fact, they need to

1133
00:52:22,519 --> 00:52:24,559
lead into it more, as we've kind of talked about

1134
00:52:24,559 --> 00:52:25,519
all throughout the podcast.

1135
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:29,079
Speaker 3: Because of the roster limitations, Willie Green.

1136
00:52:30,559 --> 00:52:33,599
Speaker 2: Is going to have to be a coach that responds

1137
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:37,079
very quickly to the data in front of him. You

1138
00:52:37,159 --> 00:52:40,280
can't make it to the whole year and play the

1139
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,519
starting lineup, that's neg If you can't play Garrett Temple

1140
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,440
for a thousand minutes for no good reason, you can't

1141
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:50,599
do all of these things that are very clearly just

1142
00:52:50,679 --> 00:52:54,159
not good for your team and just continue to do

1143
00:52:54,199 --> 00:52:55,599
them and do them and do the well passed the

1144
00:52:55,639 --> 00:53:01,599
expiration date. So I think how Willie Green approaches this

1145
00:53:01,719 --> 00:53:04,559
season and the creativity that he embraces is going to

1146
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:08,480
define how good these Pelicans can be, because if they're

1147
00:53:08,519 --> 00:53:10,599
going to be put in a box or be pretty

1148
00:53:10,679 --> 00:53:12,800
limited and it's going to be okay, well Trey's just

1149
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:14,400
going to hide in the corner, and then it's gonna

1150
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:15,920
be Brandon could take her in to ISO for a

1151
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,519
Midi and then then de Jontay takes her in ISO

1152
00:53:18,599 --> 00:53:20,719
for a Midian and then Zion go Iso. It's not

1153
00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:24,440
going to be a fun season for anybody. So that

1154
00:53:24,639 --> 00:53:26,159
is what I think is kind of flying under the

1155
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:30,280
radar is it's it's not a contract year for Willie Green,

1156
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:34,960
but I think it's heading into one. And don't I

1157
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,599
don't want to say he's coaching for his job, but

1158
00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:40,920
that seat can get really really warm if things don't go.

1159
00:53:40,960 --> 00:53:42,960
Speaker 1: Right, I will say, And I do think a lot

1160
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:45,559
of this is just the level of maybe stability and

1161
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:47,519
a lot of these positions around the NBA. He feels

1162
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:50,360
like he might have the hottest coaching seat right now

1163
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:52,360
just because like, Okay, the Bulls and Blazer's fine, but

1164
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:54,800
there's just no expectations for those teams. So if you

1165
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:58,000
want to say Chauncey Billups or Billy Donovan. Sure, but

1166
00:53:58,039 --> 00:53:59,320
I kind of look at Willy Green right now. Just

1167
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,760
because the Pelicans on paper are really good, they might

1168
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,760
not be perfect, So there's gonna be that expectations there.

1169
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,239
So there's a chance that he's like in the most

1170
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:08,960
pressure filled situation relative to the rest of the head

1171
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:09,639
coaches in the league.

1172
00:54:09,719 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like if you go to another year where you

1173
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,079
can't get Brandon to take threes and you continue to

1174
00:54:16,119 --> 00:54:21,039
play these like offensive zero guys way more than you

1175
00:54:21,119 --> 00:54:22,840
need to, and then you know you're just you have

1176
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:24,440
all this offensive talent and you end up being in

1177
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:27,519
that top ten offensive team. And I think it's fair

1178
00:54:27,559 --> 00:54:29,920
to ask, like, should the pelicansend in a different direction?

1179
00:54:31,480 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: So at full strength, what does the top ten rotation

1180
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:38,039
for this team look like? I have I think eight

1181
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:41,440
locks penciled in, where was de Jontay Murray, Herb Jones,

1182
00:54:41,480 --> 00:54:46,079
Brandon Ingram, Trey Murphy, Zion CJ Jose Alvarado, and then

1183
00:54:46,119 --> 00:54:48,159
I have Tye as a lock just because I figure

1184
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:49,440
one of the bigs is gonna play.

1185
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,039
Speaker 2: I would say Tys would be eight, Javonte Green would

1186
00:54:53,039 --> 00:54:58,800
be nine, and that test spot will rotate between depending

1187
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,920
on the matchup Jordan High, Fawkins, JRI and.

1188
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,039
Speaker 3: Me C slash Carlo. So just kind of what they

1189
00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:07,039
need on any given night.

1190
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:11,679
Speaker 1: What is going to be this team's most use closing lineup?

1191
00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:18,679
Speaker 2: It better be de Jonta Murray, Trey Murphy, Herb Jones.

1192
00:55:18,360 --> 00:55:19,840
Speaker 3: Brandon Ingram and Zimon Williamson.

1193
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:22,440
Speaker 2: I don't know if that would be the most used one,

1194
00:55:22,519 --> 00:55:23,960
and some of that might be out of their control

1195
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:25,480
because a lot of these guys just get hurt.

1196
00:55:25,679 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: So it always, Yeah, with the Pelicans, it always ends

1197
00:55:28,760 --> 00:55:30,719
up resolving itself in the form of people not being

1198
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,360
available when we think they have a lot logjam Bridge.

1199
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:37,679
Is there a weird, funky, offbeat lineup that you're hoping

1200
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:39,880
Willie Green rolls out this year?

1201
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:43,400
Speaker 2: I felt like I feel like the answer to that

1202
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,079
one is like just the starting line up to us

1203
00:55:45,079 --> 00:55:48,639
clothesline that it just pitched. But just in the spirit

1204
00:55:48,679 --> 00:55:52,000
of being small and weird, it would be kind of

1205
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,039
fun for them to do. It would be fun for

1206
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:58,719
them to do Zion and as many shooters.

1207
00:55:58,320 --> 00:55:59,920
Speaker 3: On the court as possible. So let's get c j

1208
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:02,559
out there, Let's get Trey out there, Let's get Jordan

1209
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:04,559
Hawkins out there. And that fourth guy.

1210
00:56:04,599 --> 00:56:07,039
Speaker 2: If Matt Ryan's still out there on the team'd be

1211
00:56:07,119 --> 00:56:09,920
hilarious to get Matt Ryan out there, or you know,

1212
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:12,079
if he's not, then you're kind of picking between like

1213
00:56:12,599 --> 00:56:15,039
what serves you best. And I kind of like Dejonte there,

1214
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,719
and I kind of like Herb there to just seeing

1215
00:56:19,760 --> 00:56:22,960
what you can do. But it'd be fun, too fun

1216
00:56:23,039 --> 00:56:26,559
to do a weird Zion plus just elite shooting at

1217
00:56:26,599 --> 00:56:29,119
every level and it's just like movement and movement and

1218
00:56:29,119 --> 00:56:30,519
movement and quick decisions.

1219
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:32,960
Speaker 1: I want to see one where it's like your front

1220
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:37,000
court is just Herb, Trey, Murphy and Javonte Green, and

1221
00:56:37,039 --> 00:56:38,480
like if you just want more size out there, like

1222
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:40,480
Inger gonna be a part of that and we'll pay Dejontay.

1223
00:56:40,559 --> 00:56:42,639
I have no idea what that looks like, but like

1224
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,599
Javonte Green has been like made a career of guarding

1225
00:56:45,639 --> 00:56:47,440
like actual bigs a lot of the time.

1226
00:56:47,599 --> 00:56:51,679
Speaker 2: So well Zion and the Dogs line up historically is

1227
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:53,239
work and it's gone back to like you know, like

1228
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,280
the Stamen Gundi years. So like that would be Jose Javonte,

1229
00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:00,840
Herb Trey, and Zion. Like that would be like Zion

1230
00:57:00,840 --> 00:57:02,960
and the dogs in my opinion, like that would be yeah,

1231
00:57:03,039 --> 00:57:06,000
like to just absolutely go get them guys in Jose

1232
00:57:06,360 --> 00:57:08,519
and Javonte and then Herb of course just being the

1233
00:57:08,559 --> 00:57:10,719
menace that he is, And.

1234
00:57:10,119 --> 00:57:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wanted to even go to that. But like

1235
00:57:12,079 --> 00:57:14,679
also during when Zion's on the bench, like forget about

1236
00:57:14,679 --> 00:57:16,639
putting out an actual big like let's just like I

1237
00:57:16,639 --> 00:57:16,920
don't know.

1238
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: If something that I would pay to see that yeahs

1239
00:57:20,039 --> 00:57:20,360
out there.

1240
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:24,760
Speaker 1: So we have as we record this, they're over under

1241
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:28,360
is currently said at forty five and a half. Would

1242
00:57:28,360 --> 00:57:29,400
you take the over the.

1243
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,480
Speaker 3: Under on that? I would take the under at this rate?

1244
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:35,639
Speaker 2: Uh, forty five and a half is tough ask in

1245
00:57:35,679 --> 00:57:37,639
the West when you have the worst center rotation in

1246
00:57:37,639 --> 00:57:38,239
the league.

1247
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 3: That's what I would say.

1248
00:57:40,719 --> 00:57:43,679
Speaker 2: And just kind of like these weird fit questions just

1249
00:57:43,719 --> 00:57:45,559
hanging over you, like, hey, what like what is this

1250
00:57:45,559 --> 00:57:48,239
team gonna look like? But yeah, I don't think it's

1251
00:57:48,239 --> 00:57:50,840
a it's a major under. I think this team should

1252
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,159
win more than they lose, so it should be like

1253
00:57:53,159 --> 00:57:55,480
a forty three forty four win team Barney changes.

1254
00:57:56,360 --> 00:57:58,320
Speaker 1: What's also tough with them too is that, let's say

1255
00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:00,880
they make changes that were in support of and that

1256
00:58:01,159 --> 00:58:04,159
rebalances the roster in degree makes them better. If this

1257
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:06,119
happens in the middle of the year, it's just harder

1258
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:08,280
to make these integrations where that's the value of doing

1259
00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:10,039
it over the off season is you have to go

1260
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:12,760
through a training camp with everybody. How does that impact

1261
00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:15,119
them if they do wind up moving Ingram or CJ.

1262
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:18,599
You're trying to integrate this semi big new piece midstream.

1263
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:20,280
I don't like. I just don't know how they'll necessarily

1264
00:58:20,320 --> 00:58:20,960
respond to that.

1265
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 2: It's a great question. Who knows, man, I just hope

1266
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:29,360
it would be an easy one. I mean, just we're

1267
00:58:29,360 --> 00:58:31,960
able to do it very quickly with the Gafford and

1268
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:35,960
PG right, So it's like if the guys make sense

1269
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:38,480
as a fits, and sometimes it just it just takes

1270
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:42,639
off because in my opinion, you'd be sending out a

1271
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:44,679
guy that is a little bit of an awkward fit.

1272
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:48,400
So if you're doing that in simplifying people's roles like Okay, yeah,

1273
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:51,400
Desonte's the clear cut point guard, Zion's the Zion, and

1274
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,840
then everyone else kind of fill in around that, then

1275
00:58:54,159 --> 00:58:55,239
maybe it wouldn't take that long.

1276
00:58:55,280 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: Integet do you have? Like this is such a weird question.

1277
00:58:57,960 --> 00:58:59,440
Because I feel like this roster is going to look

1278
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:03,119
different February. But like, do you have a floor for

1279
00:59:03,199 --> 00:59:04,519
them in the West or is it like, are there

1280
00:59:04,519 --> 00:59:07,440
any playoff teams that you consider them you look at

1281
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:10,239
and say, Okay, they'll definitely be better than this potential playoff

1282
00:59:10,239 --> 00:59:11,199
team in the West.

1283
00:59:11,480 --> 00:59:14,119
Speaker 2: I think it's risky business to set floors in the

1284
00:59:14,159 --> 00:59:18,079
West because what if Wemby is just incredible and Chris

1285
00:59:18,119 --> 00:59:21,880
Paul has a renaissance, Ye're down in San Antonio, right

1286
00:59:22,480 --> 00:59:25,199
what if the Rockets take off? What if you know?

1287
00:59:25,239 --> 00:59:26,719
So it's like I would like to say, yeah, the

1288
00:59:26,719 --> 00:59:28,639
floor is they're going to be better than Portland and Utah.

1289
00:59:28,679 --> 00:59:32,039
Like I think that's very reasonable to say. And I

1290
00:59:32,039 --> 00:59:34,559
think like they would absolutely be better than Houston and

1291
00:59:35,559 --> 00:59:38,880
San Antonio. But it's just like, Okay, one of your

1292
00:59:38,920 --> 00:59:41,239
guys misses time for an extended period and one of

1293
00:59:41,239 --> 00:59:43,239
the other teams has an unexpected leap. You can find

1294
00:59:43,239 --> 00:59:45,960
yourself at the third worst team in the West. So

1295
00:59:47,159 --> 00:59:49,519
I would say they were if you put them in tiers,

1296
00:59:50,039 --> 00:59:52,840
they would be in a similar tier right now as

1297
00:59:53,079 --> 00:59:59,480
the Kings, the Lakers, the Clippers, and and I would

1298
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:01,320
say the Warrior I would put them all in the

1299
01:00:01,320 --> 01:00:01,800
same tier.

1300
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,000
Speaker 1: I will say, And this is kind of what's fun

1301
01:00:04,000 --> 01:00:05,760
about the West is that you could probably pitch me

1302
01:00:05,800 --> 01:00:07,639
on like any order and I'm not going to push back.

1303
01:00:07,679 --> 01:00:09,559
And like if you told, honestly, if you told me

1304
01:00:09,599 --> 01:00:11,880
the Pelicans finished eleventh, I'd be like, okay. If you

1305
01:00:11,960 --> 01:00:13,679
told me the Pelicans finished like one or two, I'd

1306
01:00:13,719 --> 01:00:15,960
be like, yeah, sure, why not? Like if everyone were

1307
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,639
just healthy, you could pitch me like there's some of

1308
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:20,440
that in the East, but only with like four or

1309
01:00:20,480 --> 01:00:22,760
five teams. In the West, it's like ten or eleapon,

1310
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:23,880
which is just boers.

1311
01:00:24,400 --> 01:00:25,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, there in that tier.

1312
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:27,559
Speaker 2: And then like you know, like the teams I mentioned

1313
01:00:27,559 --> 01:00:30,880
like Utah and and Houston and San Antonio or the

1314
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:32,960
tier below and then Portland's like the clear cut like

1315
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:33,760
last one.

1316
01:00:34,239 --> 01:00:36,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think like Will Hardy's gonna get fired

1317
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:39,760
for conduct not detrimental enough to the team if Utah

1318
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:42,280
rattles off another like you know, December to Remember or

1319
01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:42,920
whatever it is?

1320
01:00:43,079 --> 01:00:45,719
Speaker 2: Well, like the longtime like league rumor is that he's

1321
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:50,159
Pop's heir, so like Will Hardy coaching Lemby, I don't know, man,

1322
01:00:50,280 --> 01:00:53,159
Like I'm sure Hardy's gonna be fine wherever he goes.

1323
01:00:53,239 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 3: That guy's an incredible coach.

1324
01:00:55,199 --> 01:00:58,719
Speaker 1: Is there anything about the Pelicans, this team the coming season.

1325
01:00:58,760 --> 01:01:00,599
I haven't talked to you about. We haven't discussed that

1326
01:01:00,639 --> 01:01:02,519
you think we should touch upon before I let you go.

1327
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:06,360
Speaker 2: I think we covered pretty much every like. I think

1328
01:01:06,400 --> 01:01:09,400
we hit all the important notes that we needed.

1329
01:01:09,159 --> 01:01:10,000
Speaker 3: To cover for sure.

1330
01:01:10,239 --> 01:01:11,800
Speaker 1: So as soon as we're done, that's when the brand

1331
01:01:11,840 --> 01:01:14,000
and Ingram news breaks that the trade is coming, because

1332
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,440
that's how these things typically were. Are you just able

1333
01:01:17,440 --> 01:01:18,920
to tell our listeners where they can find you and

1334
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:20,199
all the great work that you're putting out.

1335
01:01:20,360 --> 01:01:22,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find me on Twitter at Fear of

1336
01:01:22,559 --> 01:01:24,840
the Brown as you see on your screen right there.

1337
01:01:25,079 --> 01:01:29,360
But you can also find me at Inthano dot suffstack

1338
01:01:29,519 --> 01:01:30,320
dot com.

1339
01:01:31,039 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 3: That's where I do my writing.

1340
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,920
Speaker 2: Will publish our podcast there, and we have a YouTube

1341
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,760
channel with the same name in the Know.

1342
01:01:37,679 --> 01:01:39,119
Speaker 1: The links to both of those will be found in

1343
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:42,400
the podcast in our YouTube prescription. Chmid, thank you so

1344
01:01:42,519 --> 01:01:45,000
much for all your time as you give me every year,

1345
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:46,800
and as you know by now, I will be pestering

1346
01:01:46,840 --> 01:01:48,159
you again down the line.

1347
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 3: Absolutely, always a pleasure.

1348
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 2: Dan