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<v Speaker 1>Amusement parks, amusement parks. You know of an abandoned amusement park,

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<v Speaker 1>you know where it is. You visited it once when

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<v Speaker 1>you were seventeen. Your parents said stay away from there.

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<v Speaker 1>You could get hurt in there. Amazingly, most amusement parks

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<v Speaker 1>that failed abandoned left, even big ones like six Flags,

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<v Speaker 1>They're just allowed to stay there. I don't know why,

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<v Speaker 1>but this is true across America, and it is fascinated

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Gibson. This mesmerizes Michelle Gibson, who has spent months

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<v Speaker 1>studying abandoned places in America. Michelle, Welcome to the other

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<v Speaker 1>side of Midnight.

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<v Speaker 2>Hi, Walter, and thanks for having me on.

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<v Speaker 1>Now share with us before, share with us now the

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<v Speaker 1>name of your website and exactly how I should title you.

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<v Speaker 2>My website is Piercingtheveil of Illusion dot com and I

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<v Speaker 2>am an independent researcher of hidden history, and I put

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<v Speaker 2>my research in a blog and then I make videos

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<v Speaker 2>out of them.

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<v Speaker 1>What's the YouTube channel?

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<v Speaker 2>My YouTube channel is at Michelle Gibson eighty nine forty six.

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<v Speaker 1>I will put all of that on the Walter Sterling

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<v Speaker 1>Facebook page. All that information will be there. Michelle, Gibson

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<v Speaker 1>is one of our favorite contributors. Always has great mysteries,

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<v Speaker 1>great conspiracies, and unlike most of the people who do that,

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<v Speaker 1>she actually does the research. She's a real academic. Welcome

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<v Speaker 1>to the show. Talk to us about abandon amusement.

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<v Speaker 2>Parks, and yes, it is. It is something that's very

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<v Speaker 2>interesting to me. And on the times you've had me

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<v Speaker 2>on the show in the past, Walter, we've talked about

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<v Speaker 2>inter urbans, which for street cars, electric street car going

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<v Speaker 2>at really fast speeds in between cities. And this wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>just in North America, this was all over the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Most of them are long gone. There's a few functioning

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<v Speaker 2>around the world. Ones in in the United Kingdom on

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<v Speaker 2>the Isle of Man they still have a functioning innurban

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<v Speaker 2>that can show you what it was like. And I

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<v Speaker 2>think Japan has some. I'm thinking New Zealand has, but

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<v Speaker 2>for most part they're gone. And there used to be

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<v Speaker 2>extensive street car systems around the turn of the twentieth century,

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<v Speaker 2>so late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, there were highly advanced,

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<v Speaker 2>non polluting forms of transportation available and they went away.

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<v Speaker 2>And the subject of amusement parks is very relevant to

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<v Speaker 2>this subject because the history we're told about street cars

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<v Speaker 2>and urbansxt inextricably tied to the history of these amusement parks,

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<v Speaker 2>and all of them are for the most part in

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<v Speaker 2>existence for only a short time before they were gone,

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<v Speaker 2>so again at late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds. And

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<v Speaker 2>what we're told about them about these amusement parks is

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<v Speaker 2>that they were built by the streetcar companies to attract

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<v Speaker 2>business on weekends, so they had commuters during the week

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<v Speaker 2>they needed someplace for people to go spend money to

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<v Speaker 2>use their services, and so they were said to have

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<v Speaker 2>started as trolley parks around the turn of the century,

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<v Speaker 2>as picnic recreation and entertainment areas at the inns of

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<v Speaker 2>streetcar lines, and that these were supposed to have been

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<v Speaker 2>precursors to amusement parks. And they had everything the amusement

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<v Speaker 2>parks had. They had roller coasters, they had Farris wheels,

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<v Speaker 2>they had midways, and the early twentieth century was considered

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<v Speaker 2>the golden age of the American amusement park and there

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<v Speaker 2>were hundreds of parks in the United States alone at

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<v Speaker 2>the end of these trolley lines, and there was an

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<v Speaker 2>estimated fifteen hundred to two thousand all together at one

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<v Speaker 2>point in time. And this is what you find when

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<v Speaker 2>you start looking to try to find the information. There

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<v Speaker 2>could have been a lot more, but that's the number

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<v Speaker 2>they give us. And then they started to disappear. And

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<v Speaker 2>some of the reasons that we're given it's a great depression,

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<v Speaker 2>reducing disposable income, and World War two disrupting leisure. In construction,

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<v Speaker 2>there was growing competition from movies and radio, televisivision chopping

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<v Speaker 2>malls and bowling alleys. But whatever the reason, they couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>economically compete and they were closed down or they were

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<v Speaker 2>burned down, and that happened to a lot of them.

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<v Speaker 2>So either they went out of business and they were

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<v Speaker 2>sold and turned into real estate, or they were sold

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<v Speaker 2>to real estate developers who turned them into something presidential

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<v Speaker 2>areas a lot of times. And you know, we don't

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<v Speaker 2>have anything like this today. We have amusement parks. But

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<v Speaker 2>these were connected to trolleys specifically.

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<v Speaker 1>So they were trolley parts, the specifically part of the

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<v Speaker 1>trolley economy. And you mentioned something that always catches my

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<v Speaker 1>attention because it was a phenomena in the late eighteen hundreds,

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<v Speaker 1>not so much recently not so passed. In the past

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred years, you said a lot of them were

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<v Speaker 1>burned down. There seems to be that in the eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds a lot of things were burned down for scurrilous reasons.

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<v Speaker 1>Is that true?

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<v Speaker 2>They were burned down, and likely scurrilous reasons, but you

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<v Speaker 2>know there was cause unknown was typical, or the fire

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<v Speaker 2>was started by a spark, that's some kind in the

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<v Speaker 2>whole place burned down, And again that that is probably

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<v Speaker 2>the most common ending for a lot of these trolley parks.

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<v Speaker 2>But like you said, well after there's a lot that

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<v Speaker 2>were just left to rotten place and chip Awop. There's

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<v Speaker 2>one in outside of Cleveland, unlet's say it was called

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<v Speaker 2>Chippiwah Park that was left abandoned. And when I was

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<v Speaker 2>looking at the research for it recently, it sounds like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe they're redeveloping it now, but for years it was

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<v Speaker 2>just there. And the other thing that I'm finding when

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking, especially around the Great Lakes, but in

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<v Speaker 2>other places as well, but let's use the Great Lakes

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<v Speaker 2>as an example, is that these amusement parks are in

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<v Speaker 2>really strange places. And so I mean, if you look

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<v Speaker 2>at theear Point in Sandowsky is that Have you been

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<v Speaker 2>there before, Walter?

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<v Speaker 1>I've been a Cedar Point, but it's a roller It's

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<v Speaker 1>really a roller coaster park, and I'm terrified of roller coasters.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's so I don't participate. Uh. I went there

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<v Speaker 1>once because I have children, and I'm like, I don't know, However,

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<v Speaker 1>I've been. I've been to a number of amusement parks

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<v Speaker 1>the kind that you're referring to. Tell us why you

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<v Speaker 1>think they're in strange places, and tell us why these

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<v Speaker 1>were so viable because of the trolleys.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I answer to your first question. I've found them

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<v Speaker 2>in and play and like on spits of land surrounded

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<v Speaker 2>by water, you know, barrel enough room for a part,

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<v Speaker 2>you wouldn't think it could put a park there. So

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<v Speaker 2>I bring up Cedar Point because if you look at it,

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<v Speaker 2>you take a look at it on Google Earth, it's

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<v Speaker 2>on a peninsula.

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<v Speaker 1>It's on a peninsula, and it's near nothing. That's the

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<v Speaker 1>other thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's near nothing, you know, I mean there's like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>there's there's not much land there to support all the

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that's there. And then that was repeated over and

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<v Speaker 2>over again. You know, whatever's left of parks that no

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<v Speaker 2>longer exist, are in places that are really marshy wetland areas.

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<v Speaker 2>There are several like that around Toledo. So, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's just it's just the stories don't make sense. And

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<v Speaker 2>I really believe that this was part of the infrastructure

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<v Speaker 2>of a civilization that we haven't been told about that

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<v Speaker 2>you and I've been talking about Walter in the time

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<v Speaker 2>that we've been discussing the subject.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I call it. I call it Tartaria. You may

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<v Speaker 1>have a different name.

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<v Speaker 2>It's best known as Tartaria, but it's it's the civilization

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<v Speaker 2>that's been deliberately kept promise, and we're basically living on

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<v Speaker 2>top of it. And everything we've been told about our history,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, we've been given an explanation for everything, but

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<v Speaker 2>when you really look into what we're told we were

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<v Speaker 2>capable of the time, you know, it just doesn't it

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<v Speaker 2>really doesn't add up. You know. It's like we've been

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<v Speaker 2>told a story about things to explain them, and we

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<v Speaker 2>didn't have the Internet. We wouldn't like myself wouldn't be

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<v Speaker 2>able to do the resource, but we wouldn't have any

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<v Speaker 2>way of knowing.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think the ultimate motive was to change

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<v Speaker 1>the timelines and change the story of our history. What

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<v Speaker 1>do you think the motivation was.

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<v Speaker 2>My opinion is the motivation was basically power and control.

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<v Speaker 2>And this this grid is still in existence. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people talk about a free energy grid associated with

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<v Speaker 2>this civilization that's best known as Tartaria. That's my opinion

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<v Speaker 2>is that there was a sophisticated energy grid. My opinion

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<v Speaker 2>is also that this energy grid was destroyed and that's

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<v Speaker 2>what caused a lot of the marshy lands and wetlands

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<v Speaker 2>and so forth. And it's still being utilized but in

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<v Speaker 2>a different way. And they had to find replacement sources

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<v Speaker 2>of fuel and energy when this grid was destroyed, and

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<v Speaker 2>that's where we get standard oil coming in and cars

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<v Speaker 2>and buses. And then once the cars and buses were

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<v Speaker 2>in place, they got rid of everything essentially.

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<v Speaker 1>So you don't think that the energy grid was destroyed

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<v Speaker 1>to force us to use oil. You think it was

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<v Speaker 1>destroyed by something else and the solution was to use oil.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. I think they needed to get it up and

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<v Speaker 2>running again as soon as possible, and that's what they

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<v Speaker 2>had available to them.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Gibson, the great researcher, Michelle, what's the name of

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<v Speaker 1>that website.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, piercing the veil of illusion dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>Piercing the veil of illusion dot com. Michelle Gibson, researcher extraordinaire,

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<v Speaker 1>terrific guest on the radio Magical Guest raises the sort

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<v Speaker 1>of things that we love to think about all night.

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<v Speaker 1>Michelle Gibson, thank you for being on the other side

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<v Speaker 1>of midnight.