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Speaker 14: And pose well, this is the run. This is the
Speaker 14: run of SID as we continue our tribute to the
Speaker 14: Psychotic One here on TLF which and Sid Fashion Boss
Speaker 14: is just.
Speaker 5: Well actually there was a SID.
Speaker 14: On this on the Austrian indies named Sid Vienna, but
Speaker 14: they didn't not they never got sued for copyright infringement
Speaker 14: or anything like that.
Speaker 5: Surprising it that's his fall. Should have checked it on it.
Speaker 14: But I mean, I adventure to say, if not for
Speaker 14: the run we're about to talk about, on a journey
Speaker 14: that into Sid fashion keeps growing new heads.
Speaker 5: As it Inferls before us. But we don't. We don't.
Speaker 14: We don't shy away from the challenge, no matter how
Speaker 14: psychotically those eyes wilink.
Speaker 5: That's the reality of it, all right. You know we've
Speaker 5: said it, and it's not we don't be We're not
Speaker 5: facetious when we say it that we leave no stone.
Speaker 14: Unturned TFX like damn fucking right. Indeed, And so as
Speaker 14: we look at SiZ returned to the w WF in
Speaker 14: nineteen ninety six where we last left you, this is
Speaker 14: the run where if you didn't have this run, I'm
Speaker 14: pretty sure we don't do a tribute show with this guy.
Speaker 14: I mean, as central as he was to the Hasbro
Speaker 14: era with the Hogan feud that was, that could have
Speaker 14: just gone down, as you know, no different than Hogan's
Speaker 14: feud with I don't know, somewhat different but not much
Speaker 14: different than this feud with what Big Boss Man or
Speaker 14: something or.
Speaker 5: Ki Kung Bundy King Kung Bunny. Very very good. Yeah,
Speaker 5: because there's the wrestleming the main event competit to that
Speaker 5: one as well.
Speaker 14: Yeah, but because he won the WWF Championship after stabbing
Speaker 14: ourn Anderson, after being h exiled and becoming you know, unemployable.
Speaker 5: And I knew that they even knew that he was,
Speaker 5: that he had stabbed arn Anderson when he came back
Speaker 5: in ninety six. I don't think I knew that. Now.
Speaker 14: That wasn't really something you would easily know unless you
Speaker 14: subscribe to the newsletters. Yeah, I'm sure it was on
Speaker 14: the internet, but the Internet was still you know, prodigy.
Speaker 14: It wasn't very easy and intuitive to find him for
Speaker 14: me about wrestling if you weren't plugged into the right
Speaker 14: message boards and forums. And even then, you know what
Speaker 14: happened to be sort of mentioned offhandedly, it had happened
Speaker 14: years ago, years prior rather, but when it happened in
Speaker 14: ninety three, yeah, I mean, there was very limited information.
Speaker 14: I'm sure further because it took place in England, it
Speaker 14: wasn't even like a right story The American news media covered.
Speaker 14: So it's just it's so pro wrestling that Sid has
Speaker 14: the run of his life and cements' legacy after you know,
Speaker 14: doing something more horrific than pretty much anyone in an
Speaker 14: American wrestling office. This other ever done into a co
Speaker 14: worker here. So that's the business. That's the Sid story.
Speaker 14: And he comes back in ninety six, as we talked about,
Speaker 14: because Ultimate Warrior has another falling out with the company.
Speaker 14: There was supposed to be a main event in the
Speaker 14: July ninety six international incident in your House where Hogan,
Speaker 14: pardon me, Hogan, Warrior was team with a sary.
Speaker 5: What do you mean an international dude?
Speaker 14: Hogan does not believe that was an innocent slip of
Speaker 14: the Tongue Warrior Shawn Michaels and I'm a Johnson. It's
Speaker 14: supposed to be a three man team and a six
Speaker 14: man Warrior falls out. Sid shows up. We played that
Speaker 14: clip last week and little did they know at first,
Speaker 14: you know, it's just this idea. We need to do
Speaker 14: an emergency replacement, get him on a couple of house shows. Well,
Speaker 14: warri were scheduled and the fans be pissed off if
Speaker 14: he doesn't show up. Replace them with somebody, you know,
Speaker 14: with the star power of Sid uh to make them
Speaker 14: happy and make entreaties to sit around just a fuck
Speaker 14: couple of shots, you know, just come in. We just
Speaker 14: need you to power mombs and people bail us out
Speaker 14: for this pay per view, and then pretty soon we
Speaker 14: need you, Pal.
Speaker 5: But I never said we weren't going to use you
Speaker 5: full time, you know. I didn't say that we weren't.
Speaker 5: I said, you know, we need you for a couple
Speaker 5: of things now, and then we'll probably have you working overtime. Listen,
Speaker 5: but I'm paying for you, Sid. We need you, Pal.
Speaker 5: You know, we need a lot of things right and
Speaker 5: right now we need Sid. We need a lot of
Speaker 5: things to go psychotic. In ring, he tells Sid, we
Speaker 5: need a lot of things. In other words like look,
Speaker 5: I can't I don't have any time right now for
Speaker 5: you to say no to a full time run. Listen,
Speaker 5: You've got to go full time hard and you can't
Speaker 5: turn back. And he does.
Speaker 14: And you want to talk about serendipity. What was the
Speaker 14: last pay per view that we did on the feed
Speaker 14: before SID before deciding on the SID tribute shows and
Speaker 14: embarking on that.
Speaker 5: It was buried Alive, right, I mean, come on, yeah.
Speaker 14: Right, that's the pay per view where it's now clear
Speaker 14: that they've shift shifted directions that Vader is not indeed
Speaker 14: going to take the strap off Shawn Michaels at the
Speaker 14: nineteen ninety six Survivor series, as we've talked about in
Speaker 14: the archives covering that show quite a ways ago, and
Speaker 14: that they're going to go with Sid because Sid beats
Speaker 14: Vader at Buried Alive or relatively cleanly, and you can
Speaker 14: kind of see the in my opinion, the pou pout
Speaker 14: face on Vader as he makes his way to the
Speaker 14: ring for that match. He does not look like a
Speaker 14: happy guy. He looks like someone that, according to Sid,
Speaker 14: was just kind of made it a ware over the
Speaker 14: weekend that he's not going to get the title and
Speaker 14: he's not going to get the run and that he
Speaker 14: he fucked himself out of the opportunity by having a
Speaker 14: match that wasn't to Shawn Michael's liking when they met
Speaker 14: at SummerSlam nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 5: So pathetic.
Speaker 14: And this the same Vader who has, you know, a
Speaker 14: fate intertwined with Sids from the Tag Team in WCW
Speaker 14: in ninety three, to sure being the guy that tried
Speaker 14: to help close the wound and the stabbing incident in
Speaker 14: the England hotel room a hotel, I should say, so
Speaker 14: just remarkable that it once again comes down to Sid
Speaker 14: in Vader. They finally meet in the ring, and in
Speaker 14: Sid is the one that pulls ahead in the race
Speaker 14: to become the top guy in the WWF. And we
Speaker 14: all know, we all know how impactful that win was
Speaker 14: at Madison Square Garden in November nineteen ninety six. We
Speaker 14: all know what we tasted and what we felt, and
Speaker 14: we're going to revisit it here as we essentially serendipitously
Speaker 14: pick up where we left off right around Buried Alive
Speaker 14: October nineteen ninety six, which is so true, and this
Speaker 14: I'm realizing as we go, this will make a really
Speaker 14: nice addendum to our ninety seven journey, which, as you
Speaker 14: will call, we launched rather stealthily by covering Roy Rummel
Speaker 14: nineteen ninety seven, without making any kind of a big
Speaker 14: production out of the fact that we were going to
Speaker 14: march stomatically through every pay per view WWF pay per
Speaker 14: view of nineteen ninety seven until we got to the
Speaker 14: Montreal Survivor series and you know we Sid gets short
Speaker 14: shrift in that Montreal story, right, Yes, yes he does,
Speaker 14: but he's there. He's kind of like, he's kind of like, no,
Speaker 14: he's not there. No, not not when the Survivor series happens.
Speaker 5: But I'm talking about when he's yeah, when he's yeah,
Speaker 5: he is, he's I mean, he's a major part of that.
Speaker 5: He's a major part of the company until the summer, and.
Speaker 14: He's part of you know, the Sean Brett tensions that
Speaker 14: that spill from the screen to the back and vice versa,
Speaker 14: that they kind of revolve around Sid in this title win,
Speaker 14: you know when Sid goes away pardon me, when Sean
Speaker 14: goes away having lost his smile. It was supposed to
Speaker 14: be said that he lost the strap back to when
Speaker 14: Brett has his absolute breakdown in the ring on that
Speaker 14: famous Raw episode and says this is bullshit and shoves
Speaker 14: Vince on the ground and punches Pat Patterson. He was
Speaker 14: in the steel cage match with Sid on that show.
Speaker 14: As we're about to talk about old, think about the
Speaker 14: fact that you know that the show we're actually going
Speaker 14: to deep introducing the first deep dive of the Sid
Speaker 14: tribute here. The next time We're with you next week
Speaker 14: on the Sid tribute the February nineteen ninety seven raw
Speaker 14: where Brett loses the strap back and it becomes very
Speaker 14: clear that it's not to be Brett and Sewan at
Speaker 14: WrestleMania thirteen, who does he lose the strap to Sid
Speaker 14: for sid second WWF Championship win. You think about the
Speaker 14: Alamodome and all the significance of that around the Brett
Speaker 14: Sean thing, and how it was to get Sean back
Speaker 14: into you know, pole position after so many fans seem
Speaker 14: to turn on him at that Survivor series. It's Sid
Speaker 14: and they're in the Alamodome with him as the nexus.
Speaker 14: I'm not saying Sid is the centerpiece, but he's there.
Speaker 14: He's the guy that all this is happening around while
Speaker 14: he just kind of stands. They're all orbiting around him.
Speaker 14: He's the Sun and he's just standing there expressionless. That's
Speaker 14: what I picture.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's you know, that's a leet. If he
Speaker 5: were if he were the Sun, if he were the
Speaker 5: center of the universe something like that, he would he
Speaker 5: no pun intended, He'd be just off in spacebsolutely would be.
Speaker 5: He would have no idea that there were things circling
Speaker 5: around him, he'd just be completely lost.
Speaker 14: And I'm not sure that's an inaccurate description of the man.
Speaker 14: I mean really, as this all takes place, he's just like,
Speaker 14: we're I'm I going to get a run, Like he's
Speaker 14: oblivious to the fact that the only thing that matters
Speaker 14: is Shawn and Brett. Like this title when we're picture.
Speaker 5: We're off it.
Speaker 2: In this.
Speaker 14: We're gonna play what About Me? Exactly right exactly. It's like,
Speaker 14: are you listening to the TV? We're about to march
Speaker 14: through it systematically. This is going to be one of
Speaker 14: the finer tooth combs of this whole Sid tribute because
Speaker 14: we want to really tie together Survivors Series ninety six
Speaker 14: and him winning the belt back for the show that
Speaker 14: we're going to deep dive the raw after the final
Speaker 14: four pay per view in February nineteen ninety seven. We're
Speaker 14: going to basically listen to everything Sid did for the
Speaker 14: period of time where he could have been framed as
Speaker 14: the top guy, as the WWF champion, and when you
Speaker 14: go back and listen to it, Boss, it's like they
Speaker 14: hardly talk about the guy.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he's nothing.
Speaker 14: I mean, Sean Michaels is on commentary when he loses
Speaker 14: the time to Undertaker at WrestleMania thirteen, and the whole
Speaker 14: story is like, what if Shawn Michaels think about Undertaker
Speaker 14: versus Sid. It's not that Sid is main eventing WrestleMania,
Speaker 14: defending the title. Undertaker is about to win the title
Speaker 14: for the first time at WrestleMania. It's hardly about that.
Speaker 14: It's just about Sean running his mouth almost.
Speaker 5: The entire second time. The second time at.
Speaker 14: WrestleMania, I said, oh, oh, I see what you mean,
Speaker 14: and just running his mouth the entire time, like Sewan
Speaker 14: is just he's just blabbing over all of Sid's segments
Speaker 14: from Surrider's Series ninety six until the ray after Final Four,
Speaker 14: all the way through WrestleMania.
Speaker 5: In fact, I don't to see what's problem is.
Speaker 14: And when it's not Sean, it's Brett, you know, and
Speaker 14: his grievances and his feud with Steve Austin kind of
Speaker 14: overwhelming Sid's segments on Monday Night Raw as well. But
Speaker 14: we're about to transition. I'm gonna ask you a question.
Speaker 14: I mean, you talk about we talk about Sid kind
Speaker 14: of unwittingly being in the middle of all this when
Speaker 14: they make that fateful switch from the Monday Night Raw
Speaker 14: and the design and the graphics and the look and
Speaker 14: presentation from ninety three and switch over to Raw his
Speaker 14: War and that heart core look and presentation. Who's the
Speaker 14: first guy through the curtain on that first show?
Speaker 5: Sid?
Speaker 14: It's Sid. That's absolutely correct. Yeah, I mean, come on, folks.
Speaker 5: It's just listen. He's he's just a weird He's such
Speaker 5: a weird entity that he's always there.
Speaker 14: It's always there, and he ends up in these pole
Speaker 14: positions and it doesn't really ever seem to be quite
Speaker 14: by design. It's almost like happenstance, you know, like he's oh,
Speaker 14: totally You think about the pretense he was brought in
Speaker 14: in ninety one in the first place, with WWF about
Speaker 14: being this top babyface as Hogan's about to, you know,
Speaker 14: take a hiatus to get away from the scrutiny and
Speaker 14: do some movies. And by the time it's over, Yeah,
Speaker 14: he's in the Wrestlmini made event. But he's like a
Speaker 14: totally different presentation yep, than what we've been led to
Speaker 14: believe was in mind for him in the first place.
Speaker 14: And what actually is reflected in the way he's booked,
Speaker 14: not only in SummerSlam ninety one, but on that very
Speaker 14: first match we ever saw that he did in a
Speaker 14: taping against Teddy Biasse. He's like totally working like a
Speaker 14: guy who's going to be a world champion babyface, bumping
Speaker 14: and feeding and doing all that stuff, like yeah, definitely
Speaker 14: definitely feeding, Definitely definitely feeding. They bring him in to
Speaker 14: be a tag team wrestler in eighty nine in WCWNWA,
Speaker 14: and he just like absolutely captivates the crowd and pretty
Speaker 14: much is the main event of Hollyween Havoc nineteen. He
Speaker 14: is the main event of Halloween Havoc nineteen ninety but
Speaker 14: pretty much without any foregone plan in that direction. I mean,
Speaker 14: no one would have marked him as being in that
Speaker 14: position as recently as he had just come into the
Speaker 14: company his first national television run.
Speaker 5: I mean, this is the story of Sid.
Speaker 14: He just and he ends up making all this money
Speaker 14: and he never really is the reason the money's being
Speaker 14: generated around him. But he's still there, he's still in
Speaker 14: the picture. He could still lay claim to being a
Speaker 14: key face of it all. And it's really it's a
Speaker 14: fascinating career and I'm positive we didn't spend enough time
Speaker 14: thinking about Sid when we did the ninety seven journey,
Speaker 14: and now we get to focus in.
Speaker 5: Definitely did not. I mean no, there's no chance in
Speaker 5: hell that we that we spent any any real time
Speaker 5: on him, And so he talked about it outside of
Speaker 5: his matches. He probably got more, he probably got more
Speaker 5: attention during the dive of each show than actually you
Speaker 5: know 's actually talking about him.
Speaker 14: Absolutely, and I think we spent most of our time
Speaker 14: just trying to peace out and tease out, you know,
Speaker 14: the subtleties and everything Brett and Sean said on WWF television,
Speaker 14: and how you can start to start to feel the
Speaker 14: kettle boil between those two. You can start to see
Speaker 14: the remarks toward each other get more pointed and more
Speaker 14: sort of out of character for a typical WWF microphone showdown,
Speaker 14: and you start we're just like doing a forensic examination
Speaker 14: of how the Brett Sean thing just fell apart from
Speaker 14: being relatively on the same page going into WrestleMania twelve
Speaker 14: to not even being able to be in the same
Speaker 14: room with each other by WrestleMania thirteen. And yes, Sid's there,
Speaker 14: but there's no way we spent any time thinking about
Speaker 14: what he did or what he said, and WWF didn't
Speaker 14: really either. I mean he is he let himself, I think,
Speaker 14: be tricked into thinking that if he did well as champion,
Speaker 14: that they'd keep the strap on him. You know, well
Speaker 14: here ' helim say that later and Bruce Pritchard and
Speaker 14: others have squatted that away like completely ridiculous. It's like
Speaker 14: you should have known the second you beat Sean in
Speaker 14: the garden, Sid, that it's all about getting it back
Speaker 14: to Sean or to somebody else. There's it's not about
Speaker 14: let's see how long we can run with Sid, and
Speaker 14: you know, to Sid's I think SID is defensible and
Speaker 14: saying like, well, I kind of got fucked there because
Speaker 14: no one ever really gave me a chance. Everyone assumed
Speaker 14: that I would get long in the tooth as a
Speaker 14: champion and couldn't be somebody that could be a defending
Speaker 14: champion carrying a territory for a while. And he had
Speaker 14: certainly earned that reputation considering how many contracts he'd walked
Speaker 14: out on by this point in time. It was not
Speaker 14: sound business practice to really, you know, build an eighteen
Speaker 14: month campaign around Sid or anything like that.
Speaker 5: He might stab somebody in the fucking with scissors.
Speaker 14: Right, But when he sits back and looks back in
Speaker 14: his career, in the shoot interviews and stuff that he
Speaker 14: ends up doing, it's it's not a bad point. Like
Speaker 14: I never no one ever really found out if I
Speaker 14: could have produced as a as a touring champion, as
Speaker 14: a guy that you know that was given the ball,
Speaker 14: It's it's not a bad point. I think we all
Speaker 14: know what would have happened. But he was allowed to
Speaker 14: basically look back on his career and say, well, we
Speaker 14: can't say for absolute sure that I would have crashed
Speaker 14: and burned because the second the belt was put on me,
Speaker 14: the plan to take it off me was already in play.
Speaker 14: And that's that's a weird position to be in. But
Speaker 14: it did account for him having, you know, his highest
Speaker 14: triumphs in the wrestling ring, and the moments that flashed
Speaker 14: right to mine first when you heard about his passing
Speaker 14: were this run, yep, this title win, and everything that
Speaker 14: happened around it heading into a Wrestlemandia thirteen and now,
Speaker 14: of course, the night after Final four, February seventeenth, nineteen
Speaker 14: ninety seven, Monday Night Raw was live in Nashville as
Speaker 14: the ras after pay per views still were back then.
Speaker 14: And what do you remember? This is the first time
Speaker 14: that WWF championship ever changed hands on Monday Night Raw.
Speaker 5: I mean, I remember it like it was yesterday. Honest
Speaker 5: to god. It was such a it was such a moment.
Speaker 5: It's the first time that I can remember where I
Speaker 5: was so excited that I got up my feet with
Speaker 5: my arms in the air. That's big, I, you know.
Speaker 5: And that's when Sid beating Brett, you know, because I
Speaker 5: was so sick of Brett. I was so sick of Brett.
Speaker 5: And you know when I when I when I heard
Speaker 5: that he had won, you know. And again I didn't know.
Speaker 5: I think I talked about this before. I didn't know
Speaker 5: that he that that. I didn't know anything that happened
Speaker 5: regarding Brett and uh and Sean, Like I didn't know
Speaker 5: that Sean had fucking released the relinquished the belt. No
Speaker 5: fucking clue I learned about that on that raw. I'm
Speaker 5: sitting there wondering how the fuck did he become champion
Speaker 5: when Seawan was champion last week? Right, And then you
Speaker 5: hear about it and you see what happened, and it's
Speaker 5: like what the fuck? And yeah, and then I and
Speaker 5: then I was just like, oh, of course, you know,
Speaker 5: something fucking happens, and of course they go back to Brett.
Speaker 5: It's always fucking Brett. Here we go again. And I
Speaker 5: was like, they're never going to change the fucking title.
Speaker 5: They don't do that shit, They don't fucking do that.
Speaker 5: They don't put they don't change it on TV. And
Speaker 5: then when they did, I just it was it was glorious. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: that glorious.
Speaker 14: At one, two, three hits different back then where the
Speaker 14: ref actually registers an official count for a world title
Speaker 14: change on live television. I mean even even WCW they
Speaker 14: had done world title changes. I think when Paul White
Speaker 14: beat flair Ford it was on Nitro, for example. But
Speaker 14: for the most part that just didn't happen. You just
Speaker 14: didn't get title changes world title changes on free television.
Speaker 5: You just didn't know.
Speaker 14: And yeah, it was it was definitely as we'll talk
Speaker 14: about as we examined that episode of Raw, it was
Speaker 14: definitely like their strongest bid to be like, Okay, how
Speaker 14: can we format a show where like we drag this
Speaker 14: thing out and try to beat Nitro or try to
Speaker 14: do well against Nitro. I mean, Nitro was fucking killing
Speaker 14: him in February ninety seven. But you know, they tease
Speaker 14: it out. They pretend they're going to open that episode
Speaker 14: of Raw with the Sid Brett match, and then they
Speaker 14: delay it, and then they try to bring it back
Speaker 14: at the top of the hour, and then they delay it.
Speaker 14: This is a two hour it's actually a very it's
Speaker 14: a very clever.
Speaker 5: Ratings ploy. Oh yeah, you know, the way that they
Speaker 5: the way that they strategize it, it's actually pretty it's
Speaker 5: pretty darn clever. Yep. You know, it's definitely it's cheap,
Speaker 5: you know, but it's also it's also pretty clever.
Speaker 14: And that's another thing about Sid, Like, you know, he
Speaker 14: wasn't there when they finally caught fire and started kicking
Speaker 14: ww's ass, but he was a key toy in the
Speaker 14: toy box to try to figure out what does it
Speaker 14: look like to reform that Raw to be more competitive.
Speaker 14: He was a guy. He was he was a he
Speaker 14: was on that chessboard of guys they moved around, and
Speaker 14: you know, even though it didn't succeed, as we'll talk about, necessarily,
Speaker 14: this title win for Sid was I think a direct
Speaker 14: offspring of the fact that WWF is trying to find
Speaker 14: its way to compete against this WCW and Goliath that
Speaker 14: was forming, and I'm not sure, you know, I'm not
Speaker 14: sure Sid gets the belt. If those pressures weren't in play,
Speaker 14: I'm not sure they would go back to him necessarily.
Speaker 14: I think it was sort of chicken in the egg.
Speaker 14: It was like, we need something huge on raw. It's live,
Speaker 14: so it's not in the can, right, so we can
Speaker 14: actually make a call on the fly about what would
Speaker 14: be most unpredictable, And so Sid winning the title I
Speaker 14: think probably penciled out as one of the most impactful
Speaker 14: things they could do to see if they could make
Speaker 14: a dent on the nWo phenomenon. So Sid again kind
Speaker 14: of just like in an advantageous situation that really is
Speaker 14: really none of his own doing necessarily. So you wanted
Speaker 14: Brett to lose the title on this show because you
Speaker 14: were sick of them going back to him, not because
Speaker 14: he was now like two and a half months into
Speaker 14: crying about how Steve Austin was costing.
Speaker 5: Him every ding. No, I wanted him to turn heel
Speaker 5: two years prior, if you remember, yeah, ninety five, after
Speaker 5: the during the World War I was like, I was
Speaker 5: ready for him to turn heel then, and I was
Speaker 5: just so sick of him. I was so sick of
Speaker 5: him always fucking winning.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 5: It was ironic to me as a fan that he
Speaker 5: was whining about getting screwed and I'm like, you get
Speaker 5: everything fucking handed to you. That was my opinion of him. Wow,
Speaker 5: that everything he fucking had he always gets. Like he
Speaker 5: was he had been the guy since ninety two, and
Speaker 5: I was so sick of it at this point, Like
Speaker 5: he and he always beat the guys that were my
Speaker 5: new Hogan, right, you know, he beat you know, he
Speaker 5: he didn't really beat Luger, but he beat Luger in
Speaker 5: a different way. Didn't get the fucking strap, you know,
Speaker 5: he beat he beat Diesel, you know, and and you
Speaker 5: know Sean losing, I mean him losing to Sean was
Speaker 5: a big deal for me too. But this was huge.
Speaker 5: This was huge because I just I had them. I
Speaker 5: was not accepting of of a reality that WW was
Speaker 5: willing to switch a belt number one that fast and
Speaker 5: number two on TV. Right, I was like, they're just
Speaker 5: not going to do that, Like, get the fuck out
Speaker 5: of here.
Speaker 14: It's amazing happened because of course, after he comes back
Speaker 14: at Survivor series, the same show where said takes the
Speaker 14: strap off Sean that we've been talking about and beat
Speaker 14: Stone Cold and that comeback match clean afterwards, it's an
Speaker 14: immediate like campaign by Austin to just constantly sneak attack
Speaker 14: Brett Hart every single week. And so this is the
Speaker 14: beginning of that brilliant Brett Heel character who was justified
Speaker 14: in what he was saying. He was being wronged. He
Speaker 14: was being yep, you know what I mean. He was
Speaker 14: being cheated out of opportunities to get back on track cleanly.
Speaker 14: Because this guy made me happy. It made me happy
Speaker 14: that he was being wronged. And they got it that
Speaker 14: they leaned in. They said, Okay, even though on paper,
Speaker 14: Brett's the one on the right here, the people actually
Speaker 14: are responding strongly when Sean, when Steve Austin does this
Speaker 14: to Brett. So maybe Brett should just start being a
Speaker 14: cry baby as opposed to somebody that has like legitimate grievance.
Speaker 14: He's not the guy who's going to just turn the
Speaker 14: other cheek. He's the guy because I already felt that
Speaker 14: he was entitled right and so now he, like you said,
Speaker 14: they're leaning into that they're actually having him be, you know,
Speaker 14: play an entitled bitch. And if you don't think that
Speaker 14: part of the psychology here, part of the psyche here
Speaker 14: is Vince knowing that he just gave Brett a fatter
Speaker 14: contract than he ever thought he'd ever have to give
Speaker 14: a rest and that that's not kind of bleeding into
Speaker 14: how they're presenting Brett, then you've got another thing coming.
Speaker 14: I mean, Brett even picked up on the fact that
Speaker 14: after that Survivors Series match, which was a great match,
Speaker 14: they start talking on television like Brett started to look
Speaker 14: a little tired, started to look a little rusty, started
Speaker 14: to look like perhaps his better days were behind him.
Speaker 14: It immediately as soon as they signed that contract. I
Speaker 14: feel like the process begins in the way Vince's mind works,
Speaker 14: The process begins of trying to find flaws that don't
Speaker 14: justify that paycheck. You know, of course he's seeing everything
Speaker 14: not through the lens of what is Brett Heart doing
Speaker 14: out there, but his Brett Heart doing enough to justify
Speaker 14: what he was able to back me into a corner
Speaker 14: and force me to essentially pay him.
Speaker 5: Honestly, there's nobody who could you know, live up to.
Speaker 14: That well, especially considering how poor the company's fortunes were
Speaker 14: at the time. I mean, Austin was up to the
Speaker 14: task because he started generating revenue on par with no
Speaker 14: other and it's like, okay, well he's clearly running. But
Speaker 14: this is a time when they're in the fucking tank.
Speaker 14: And because Vince felt like Brett going to WCW would
Speaker 14: have been like the final referendum on WWF's lifeblood, like
Speaker 14: all right, it's over, Like they can't even keep red heart.
Speaker 14: He went deeper into his pocket than he had that
Speaker 14: twenty year deal two and a half million a year,
Speaker 14: whatever the hell it was. And and so it's it's
Speaker 14: amazing how suddenly within weeks Brett is a cry baby
Speaker 14: on TV yep, and Brett is entitled, and Brett is
Speaker 14: whining and he's really good at it because he probably
Speaker 14: kind of has a bit of that streak of his personality.
Speaker 14: I'm sure they're like, oh this, you know them, it's
Speaker 14: always like, you know, the way the guy pisses them off.
Speaker 14: Behind the scenes, they find ways to sneak that into
Speaker 14: the television presentation, because of course, how they process someone
Speaker 14: being able to get to them is all right, we'll
Speaker 14: just we'll make money off the fact that we can't
Speaker 14: stand the guy.
Speaker 5: I mean, look, he's being a bitch, so let's make
Speaker 5: him a bitch, put him on TV and right because
Speaker 5: but Brton, I think you're a bitch, so I think
Speaker 5: you'll play a great bitch on TV. Let's talk about it,
Speaker 5: let's talk about let's brainstorm.
Speaker 14: And when they get back, you know, think about it
Speaker 14: a Bretton Sean, go at it.
Speaker 5: It.
Speaker 14: It's time that that's Sid. You know, Sid's in the mix. Sid,
Speaker 14: that's his pay per view main event, was first ever
Speaker 14: a pay per view title defense main event. So it's
Speaker 14: it's uh, it's fascinating to adjust your lens on this
Speaker 14: off talked about, you know, the covered ad nauseum time
Speaker 14: period and adjust your lens to see it through what
Speaker 14: Sid was actually out there doing and what Sid was
Speaker 14: out there saying. And that's what we're gonna do here.
Speaker 14: As we enter a pivotal point in our examination of
Speaker 14: the career of Sid, we do have to remind you,
Speaker 14: of course, that this is all made possible by the
Speaker 14: fact that there were listeners among you who aren't bitch
Speaker 14: asked motherfuckers, yes, who understand and that if you don't
Speaker 14: pay for something, it dies.
Speaker 5: And there are people who aren't entitled bitches like Brett Hart.
Speaker 14: Right, well, we'll keep podcasting for you. We see you
Speaker 14: out there, but you can hardly blame us for taking
Speaker 14: the appropriate time each and every time we take the
Speaker 14: microphone to remind you that the only reason TLFX is here,
Speaker 14: and the only reason we can go this hard for
Speaker 14: this long, is because people decide. You know what, I'm
Speaker 14: not forced to pay for this, therefore I will, right, yes,
Speaker 14: I'm not forced to pay for it, Therefore I will.
Speaker 14: And patreon dot com slash the lapsed fan is the
Speaker 14: way you can oil the engine and keep all this
Speaker 14: going and get a ton in return. I mean, it's
Speaker 14: not just what tipjar here, folks, a ton in return,
Speaker 14: not the least of which boss let them fucking know
Speaker 14: about it. I can't believe you made me watch the
Speaker 14: latest installing in Scary movie Season under the cinemat.
Speaker 5: Terrified Too Motherfuckers.
Speaker 14: Starring Chris Jericho, but also starring some of the most
Speaker 14: gory and insane violence I've ever seen in cinema.
Speaker 5: And not only that, but I also you know, for
Speaker 5: those who who aren't a part of it, who who
Speaker 5: missed out thus far. I also made him watch every
Speaker 5: single gory portion of the previous films, like the highlighted ones,
Speaker 5: in order to build up to the fact that we're
Speaker 5: going to see something even worse. Well, you need context,
Speaker 5: right exactly. Of course, context is king and controversy creates cash.
Speaker 5: And what was the story? What was it? Arisa?
Speaker 14: He had a we did it. We made a fun
Speaker 14: of it in t n H. He had like an
Speaker 14: acronym for like story suspense.
Speaker 5: I'll find it. Oh he did, Yes, he did. A
Speaker 5: fucking idiot, But we got one more when we're coming up.
Speaker 5: We're going to take a week off this week and
Speaker 5: we're going to bring to you on Halloween Day proper
Speaker 5: and absolutely one of the best. And that's all I'm
Speaker 5: gonna say. It's one of the best. And I'm I
Speaker 5: am so fucking excited. You want to talk about SARSA.
Speaker 14: You want to talk about story, anticipation, reality, suspense and
Speaker 14: action or surprise and action. Sorry, we're talking about the
Speaker 14: capper for Scary Movie Season twenty twenty four under the
Speaker 14: cinemat And.
Speaker 5: Then we'll bring it back and we will conclude our
Speaker 5: James Bond journey during November and inciting times.
Speaker 14: Mpasize if you could. When can folks expect that final
Speaker 14: scary movie season installment?
Speaker 5: Halloween? Halloween Night, Halloween Day? Oh, Halloween. Halloween's on a
Speaker 5: weekday this week? Right, Yeah, it's on Thursday.
Speaker 14: So you know what to do, solar system, Right, you're
Speaker 14: at work. You know, Halloween when it falls on a workday,
Speaker 14: no one takes work that seriously, you know how to
Speaker 14: dial yourself in for trick or treating that night when
Speaker 14: you're at the at the cubicle.
Speaker 5: Bring That's all I gotta say is bring those fucking earbuds.
Speaker 14: Yeah, make sure those sons of bitches are charged. On
Speaker 14: All Hallows Eve.
Speaker 5: It's going to be It's I can't wait. I honestly,
Speaker 5: I can't wait for your reaction. That's what I can't
Speaker 5: wait for. That's gonna be the fun part.
Speaker 14: Yeah, don't forget folks, I don't know the movie.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I keep it a very very very deep,
Speaker 5: dark secret until we reveal it. It's actually kind of
Speaker 5: funny because in a weird way, they all know the
Speaker 5: movie before you know the movie, because obviously the movie
Speaker 5: is must I'm going like for a complete surprise. The
Speaker 5: movie obviously is in the episode title, and then you know,
Speaker 5: then you get surprised, right right. It's really cool. It's
Speaker 5: actually fun. I always like that about it me too. Yeah.
Speaker 14: I love not really knowing what I'm prepared for. I
Speaker 14: remember when you surprised me last Christmas movie season with
Speaker 14: It's a Wonderful Life, Yeah, and I like basically had
Speaker 14: to say hold on and I had to run upstairs and
Speaker 14: get my It's a Wonderful Life book because I have
Speaker 14: no idea. I'm like hustling looking through the bookcase. So
Speaker 14: I can't wait for that too. I mean, that's that's
Speaker 14: too far around the corner.
Speaker 5: It's right there, It's right there. Cap off the Bond
Speaker 5: Journey Christmas movie. I mean, come on, folks, what the
Speaker 5: fuck is wrong with you? Like, just you know what
Speaker 5: to do?
Speaker 14: And further to the Christmas point, by the way, that
Speaker 14: seriously fuck you for terrifier too. I cannot I saw
Speaker 14: the art the clown mask in a Halloween store and
Speaker 14: I was like.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't unsee that shit. It's all over the place.
Speaker 14: I'm standing in the aisle in a trance looking at
Speaker 14: his mask like I'm four years old again.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's a petrifying individual petrifying.
Speaker 14: And I'm like thinking to myself, like, when is it
Speaker 14: ever okay to show that to somebody else? You know,
Speaker 14: like even an adult, I'd hesitate to say you need
Speaker 14: to see this.
Speaker 5: It's almost like I've got a friend who, like he'd
Speaker 5: never seen it before, he'd never seen any of them before.
Speaker 5: And he had a buddy who was like, I want
Speaker 5: to take you to go see Terrifier three, but you
Speaker 5: got to watch the other ones to get up to speed,
Speaker 5: and he was just completely grossed out by how nasty
Speaker 5: it was.
Speaker 14: Was he just actually hesitant to even go to the
Speaker 14: theater and see it.
Speaker 5: No, no, he wanted to, but he was worrying, why
Speaker 5: why do I want to go?
Speaker 14: It's not unlike wrestling. It's like a secret language of like,
Speaker 14: you know, terrifier. Yeah, Like you have to look at
Speaker 14: someone and be like, Okay, they enjoy it for what
Speaker 14: it is, and they're not going to judge me when
Speaker 14: I you know, when I tell them that I watched it,
Speaker 14: you know.
Speaker 5: And it's also like once you know, you know, situation
Speaker 5: if you know you know, and that's that's it with Terrifying.
Speaker 14: Well, the key scene from part one that you made
Speaker 14: me watch from the first movie.
Speaker 16: You know.
Speaker 14: I was talking to people saying, like, did you see
Speaker 14: the scene in the first one? You have to see
Speaker 14: you have say anything else. Either they know or they don't,
Speaker 14: And if they don't, it's not really appropriate to start
Speaker 14: describing it.
Speaker 5: No, it's not. But if they do, it's like they've
Speaker 5: It's like it's shared trauma, is what it is.
Speaker 14: It's shared trauma. And it's something that was full on,
Speaker 14: full throttle lap serendipity in that people started putting together
Speaker 14: in real time that this qualify just as we had
Speaker 14: made plans already to record it.
Speaker 5: And let me tell you, so that was actually planned.
Speaker 5: So keep in mind everything that has happened on Scary
Speaker 5: Movie Season this year was intended for last year because
Speaker 5: but then I booked that play and I just I
Speaker 5: didn't have time to put it all together. But all
Speaker 5: this was scheduled for last year, so it was like
Speaker 5: already there, and it was already in place, and I
Speaker 5: was already set to go, and then I had to
Speaker 5: push it off. I'm like, all right, well, well, just you know,
Speaker 5: I'll push it off to next year. So Terrifier too
Speaker 5: was in play last year. Amazing let alone the fact
Speaker 5: that there's a sequel out right now, you know, that's
Speaker 5: also the kicker, that there's a fucking sequel out as
Speaker 5: we're you know, as we were recording it, I had
Speaker 5: no fucking idea there was a sequel being made.
Speaker 14: It's it's not for the faint of heart. No, it's
Speaker 14: not one that I encourage people to watch the movie
Speaker 14: as we watch it with us. I mean, for some
Speaker 14: our description will be plenty, but you know, do so.
Speaker 5: For some even if you. Some of the comments too
Speaker 5: were like, you know, I thought that just listening to
Speaker 5: the audio would be okay, But it's as bad. It's
Speaker 5: as bad. It's as bad.
Speaker 14: Ye when you hear like the suffering and the screaming
Speaker 14: absolutely and the blood chortling noises.
Speaker 1: It's the La Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 1: knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed Fan.
Speaker 1: He's the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and Carno
Speaker 1: m JP soro.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 14: And that's another thing, the comments like we don't sell
Speaker 14: that enough. So much fun to watch Solar System members
Speaker 14: go back and forth on comments underneath the audio files
Speaker 14: on Patreon, but you can't really participate in unless you pledge.
Speaker 14: But it's so fun man to see what people pick
Speaker 14: up on some of the notes people make, some of
Speaker 14: the corrections, some of the extra resources people point you to.
Speaker 14: It's like, so it's so gratifying to do all that
Speaker 14: work to put it out and then everyone just picks
Speaker 14: up the ball and tries to make it even better.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it's amazing. So it's absolutely amazing. It's so
Speaker 5: it is very gratifying when all that happens.
Speaker 14: It's how we know it's real and long may continue.
Speaker 14: And it's a busy schedule because on the monthly premium
Speaker 14: live event calls that we do of the modern WWE shows,
Speaker 14: that's starting to kick into a year. On another level,
Speaker 14: you've got Crown Jewel and you've got sur River Series November.
Speaker 14: Of course, the River Series always a big show right
Speaker 14: around Turkey Day, so I'm sure we're going to be
Speaker 14: fat and happy going into that one. It looks like
Speaker 14: they're going to do the Saturday Night's Main Event as
Speaker 14: a December p l E the return of snm E,
Speaker 14: so that that qualifies.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it does. Live College doesn't. Uh Yeah, Live College indeed,
Speaker 5: Live College Podcast. You're damn right, So we're looking forward
Speaker 5: to that. As mentioned, Scary movie season becomes James Bond
Speaker 5: conclusion becomes Christmas movie season.
Speaker 14: Oh yes, Wrestle Mamia. Wrestle Mamia. Wrestle Mamia for the
Speaker 14: moat tier. Only the things that are coming, the things
Speaker 14: that are about to be unloaded.
Speaker 5: It's it's it's a non stop barrage of of of
Speaker 5: Mama sorrow.
Speaker 14: Yeahther around the hearth with Mama sorrow this holiday season.
Speaker 14: I mean, what more can I say? I don't know,
Speaker 14: but I'll try to say more. How about that versions you.
Speaker 5: Know, she's she's a she's a gem. Some people have
Speaker 5: called her a national treasure. It's saying they're wrong. I
Speaker 5: think that's hilarious to say. But I'm not saying. You know,
Speaker 5: I'm not saying they're wrong. People would have just seen
Speaker 5: let me see here, I think, what's the moment. Okay,
Speaker 5: so people, oh wow, you know this? Uh, this is
Speaker 5: I actually did this. I'm trying to think, Yeah, I
Speaker 5: did this before before we were doing Terry Funk, all right,
Speaker 5: and I had, you know, with the idea of Halloween
Speaker 5: themed matches throughout October. I had my mom watch Rick
Speaker 5: Flair and Sting versus Terry Funk in the Great Moda
Speaker 5: Wow from Halloween Havock.
Speaker 14: I'll wait to see her reaction to the electrified cage. Yeah,
Speaker 14: I'm electrified of the thought. And again, for those unaware,
Speaker 14: that is an exclusive benefit for our Mote Tier members,
Speaker 14: the highest tier members. It's it's rich for a lot
Speaker 14: of people's blood, and we respect that and appreciate that.
Speaker 14: We appreciate all of our patrons in any denomination, but
Speaker 14: that's a special group that deserves special treatment. And Mama
Speaker 14: Sorrow says everything a mother should say while watching professional
Speaker 14: wrestling with her son.
Speaker 5: That's what I'll say.
Speaker 14: And if that's your if that's something that appeals to you,
Speaker 14: if you know kind of what we're saying when we
Speaker 14: say that, you might want to even just sample the
Speaker 14: vote Tier to get to get a flavor of what's
Speaker 14: going on with Wrestle Mamia. But add free versions.
Speaker 5: Of the show.
Speaker 14: You get deep dives or part twos a day before
Speaker 14: anybody else does. There's absolutely no arguing the utility of it,
Speaker 14: and we thank everybody deeply for their support. On on
Speaker 14: patreon dot com slash the Lapsed Fan. There is also
Speaker 14: there's also I don't know there there's there's an anticipation
Speaker 14: in the year there's a big vote coming up, is
Speaker 14: there not. Yes, there is probably the most important vote
Speaker 14: of most of our lifetimes. I would agree it's the
Speaker 14: most important vote. It is the tlf X Games King
Speaker 14: of the Cast. We are down to four competitors to
Speaker 14: determine the greatest character in the history of the Lapsed
Speaker 14: Fan podcast has voted on via X by all of
Speaker 14: you out there in listenership land. It has come down
Speaker 14: colapsed Jesse Ventura versus lapsed Kevin Nash on one side,
Speaker 14: and on the other side, lapsed tell In Hart versus
Speaker 14: lapsed Vince. And we've already delivered somewhat of a sizzle
Speaker 14: reel to the feed for those that are trying to
Speaker 14: get a flavor from Highlights Pass. And I was crying
Speaker 14: listening to some of them, crying listening back to some
Speaker 14: of the things, some of the words we have put
Speaker 14: in those characters' mouth sposs over the years.
Speaker 5: I actually I'm always you know, I always say, and
Speaker 5: we've said it a million times that with how how
Speaker 5: long these shows go and how long we record, that
Speaker 5: shit literally comes out of the mouth and it's forgotten.
Speaker 5: That's just the way it is, just the nature of
Speaker 5: the beast. It's very rare that something and actually most
Speaker 5: often something reads not because we did it, but because
Speaker 5: it resonates with all of you.
Speaker 14: And we hear about it. It comes back to us. Right,
Speaker 14: It's a great it's a great mechanism to determine like
Speaker 14: what really what really was gold is? Like do we
Speaker 14: hear about it again?
Speaker 5: Yep? And I I I was, I sat there like
Speaker 5: I cannot. I mean, honestly, it was. It was hard
Speaker 5: choosing things because you're like, well, wait a minute, there's this,
Speaker 5: and then I'm I didn't know where to go. Sometimes
Speaker 5: well you go.
Speaker 14: In thinking, you know, you go in thinking, you know
Speaker 14: the high points based on what gets set back to
Speaker 14: you the most, what gets referenced back to you the most,
Speaker 14: if you know, like a Twitter thread about what's the
Speaker 14: greatest thing or what should I start? If I getting
Speaker 14: into the podcast and those things, and over time those
Speaker 14: kind of cows find your mind. It's like, okay, like
Speaker 14: we'll put it to the people, like it's not my
Speaker 14: sense of what the best stuff was, it's what do
Speaker 14: people always mention when I asked independent of us and
Speaker 14: and then you get in you'll wait a minute, But
Speaker 14: this is not one of those. And this is funnier
Speaker 14: than all that shit. Yeah yeah, and I totally forgot
Speaker 14: about it, and the listenership didn't put it on the
Speaker 14: mount rushmore and it's like this is fun this is better.
Speaker 5: Or or to the point that I didn't even know
Speaker 5: this existed. That's the part that's always.
Speaker 14: Well, that's part of why it's better is because you
Speaker 14: don't even know where. You forgot where it's going. It's
Speaker 14: new to you even though you said it. Yeah, I
Speaker 14: mean you got to think about sometimes us like getting
Speaker 14: delirious at two thirty in the morning, like we're we're
Speaker 14: not always uh, we don't always have full control of
Speaker 14: our faculties. No, And I'm not only just talking about
Speaker 14: when Boss gets drunk and falls asleep on the live calls.
Speaker 14: I'm talking about just any old regular episode of the
Speaker 14: show where we're just marching through all the material we've
Speaker 14: prepared and it gets us, it gets a little ridiculous,
Speaker 14: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it does. You know, there comes a moment
Speaker 5: where it's like I don't even you know, I'm just gone.
Speaker 5: I'm just completely gone, and like simpy, like say, and
Speaker 5: you know it's it's uncontrollable.
Speaker 14: It's uncontrollable and U and we had a great time.
Speaker 14: We're visiting all of that and kind of resurfacing kind
Speaker 14: of the heart of some of these characters. You know,
Speaker 14: it would have been way too tall of in order
Speaker 14: to do that with all thirty two participants in the
Speaker 14: very beginning of this tournament, but we've whittled it down.
Speaker 14: Now is the time to buckle in and make a
Speaker 14: real decision here and keep it locked to our X
Speaker 14: account and our socials for information on when the vote's
Speaker 14: going to drop and when you're going to get your
Speaker 14: chance to decide who the final two are. I mean,
Speaker 14: it doesn't get more t LFX than this, It really
Speaker 14: does not. And we need to send a hearty thank
Speaker 14: you to our friends over at Garage Beer who have
Speaker 14: helped make all this effort worth it to put together
Speaker 14: this tournament for everybody and to deliver as we have
Speaker 14: so very very appropriate and very exciting. As the X
Speaker 14: Games continues, two unfold on X appropriately enough, and we're
Speaker 14: heading into the holiday season and it's now officially starting
Speaker 14: to feel a little late. Just to send us yeah,
Speaker 14: the gifts qualifying you for the show. I mean, Boss
Speaker 14: gets out that post office as much as you can,
Speaker 14: but I mean it's it's getting tight.
Speaker 5: We gotta put it.
Speaker 14: We gotta put a data on the calendar soon when
Speaker 14: we're gonna get together around the Christmas hearth and open
Speaker 14: gifts from you the Solar System for the third annual
Speaker 14: Lapsed Fan Christmas Show. The best fucking thing on any
Speaker 14: podcast anywhere as far as I'm concerned.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's no question about it. I mean they're a
Speaker 5: mix of of like funny, thoughtful, and ridiculous. That's perfectly
Speaker 5: and what more, what more do you need?
Speaker 14: That's a lapsed Christmas to me? Yeah, dare I say
Speaker 14: elapsed Xmas brother ten years in? I mean that's what
Speaker 14: we're looking at. Damn right, tlf X mess I'm here,
Speaker 14: Damn right, you're here, and you can be part of
Speaker 14: the show as we sit together, uh to unwrap gifts
Speaker 14: from the Solar System and just react to what we're
Speaker 14: seeing and just revel on the fact that you know,
Speaker 14: I think more than anything, it's not that this is
Speaker 14: the greatest thing on any podcast. It it speaks to
Speaker 14: the power of podcasting more than than any other thing.
Speaker 14: I think you could you could record agreed, because this
Speaker 14: is all made possible by the fact that we've taken
Speaker 14: to the mic and had had You know, we're given
Speaker 14: reasons to believe that if we kept going we would
Speaker 14: find kindred spirits out there. We would find people who
Speaker 14: were like, yes, this is what I need in my life.
Speaker 14: Here's the proof that I mean it when I say that.
Speaker 14: And as these packages come into the post office box,
Speaker 14: it's just such a such a heartwarming reminder that we
Speaker 14: are doing something that that really brings the good out
Speaker 14: in people and the best out. Yeah, and again, please
Speaker 14: don't overdo it like we've been blown away. And we
Speaker 14: all know that part of the magic of Christmas is excess.
Speaker 14: But man, we don't need four things from everybody. I mean,
Speaker 14: if you really feel you need to send it to us,
Speaker 14: if you have like a you know, if it's part
Speaker 14: of the execution of the gift, I mean, don't. We're
Speaker 14: not going to discourage people. But man, we always end
Speaker 14: up with way more than we know to do it.
Speaker 5: Oh god, it's it's unbelievable.
Speaker 14: You gotta remember we have to do something with this stuff.
Speaker 14: Aver we parcel things out aboundst each other, we're like,
Speaker 14: what are you doing this?
Speaker 5: What are you do with this?
Speaker 14: It's it's quite it's quite an experience.
Speaker 5: The consumables are one thing I'll accept and accept and
Speaker 5: really accept the fact that some ship's going to get
Speaker 5: burned over time. Yeah, or that night, no burned. Hey,
Speaker 5: you're going to send us a Jeff Hardy cut out,
Speaker 5: a cardboard cutout. It's going right in the fucking fire.
Speaker 14: Last year, boss Man literally burned a fat headset.
Speaker 5: I ever post that video on him. If I post
Speaker 5: that video, you know I haven't seen it, so there's
Speaker 5: no way to take the whole thing. I should will
Speaker 5: put that up around Christmas.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that'll be a reminder last year at this time,
Speaker 14: talk about the hearth, right, damn right. Maybe if there's
Speaker 14: anything burnable we get this year, we have to save
Speaker 14: it and burn it during recording of next year, and
Speaker 14: that'll be our fire, our fireplace.
Speaker 5: Of course, that means I get to keep it great.
Speaker 14: And we know that came from the homie Big Steve,
Speaker 14: who also gave us Jerry Lawler half naked with.
Speaker 5: Yeah, which got me almost in trouble with my wife.
Speaker 14: I mean, he already told us that this one's a doozy,
Speaker 14: and he's it's on the way. We've been informed and
Speaker 14: so if you want to be part of this, you
Speaker 14: probably just have a a week or two to get in.
Speaker 5: Every yeah, I will conveniently not make it to the
Speaker 5: uh yeah, the po anytime soon time the par officer
Speaker 5: of course, you mean, yeah, right.
Speaker 14: The address to send us your Christmas packages is the
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Speaker 14: reason we're in a position to call out things like
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Speaker 14: And I think it's time to pick up the most
Speaker 14: significant and medi part of the Psycho One's career, don't you, boss.
Speaker 5: I think this is what we've all been waiting for,
Speaker 5: the Revolutionary One. That's what Lutionary one too for them.
Speaker 5: That's when no one's run down. So yet I issued
Speaker 5: the call. I said, why do I think they used
Speaker 5: to call sid the Revolutionary One on WWE television and
Speaker 5: no one's found any example of it, So I just
Speaker 5: apparently made it up like VK Thunderliker as I do
Speaker 5: feel like you did tell me you made it up. Well,
Speaker 5: I had to.
Speaker 14: I had to conclude that because yeah, I've never found
Speaker 14: I feel like I've watched everything back by this point
Speaker 14: that he did that I would have would have remembered.
Speaker 14: You know, I'm not saying I watched everything he ever did,
Speaker 14: but I didn't watch everything back when I was that age.
Speaker 14: I mean we're talking seven eight years old, so there's
Speaker 14: only so many shows that would have left that imprint
Speaker 14: on my mind. Of course, and we talked about Sid
Speaker 14: in Vader at Buried Alive and in a shoot interview
Speaker 14: that Sid did with our video he got he got
Speaker 14: more into it than we even did on the Buried
Speaker 14: a Live episode. In terms of how the Chess piece
Speaker 14: has moved around to put Sid in position to become
Speaker 14: champion at the end of nineteen ninety six that there's
Speaker 14: been I think people that have kind of poop pooed
Speaker 14: the notion that Vader was actually going to win the championship.
Speaker 14: I'm pretty sure Bruce Is kind of said on his
Speaker 14: podcast that the idea that it was set in stone
Speaker 14: Vader was going to take the title and headline Survivor
Speaker 14: series as kind of overstated. But that's not how Sid
Speaker 14: puts it and here's here's what's going to get us
Speaker 14: oriented heading into his big November ninety sixth victory.
Speaker 15: Yeah, I'll give you. You know, I don't think a
Speaker 15: lot of people remember this. What they call that was
Speaker 15: a tweener are in between baby face and hill, and
Speaker 15: that was somebody who could work with baby faces in hills.
Speaker 15: I was the very first one really to take that
Speaker 15: roll on when I won the belt from Sahn Michaels
Speaker 15: and what it was, I was told I was going
Speaker 15: to be a baby face for extended period of time
Speaker 15: and after that he'll etcetera, etcetera. Well, you know a
Speaker 15: lot of people realize actually that was supposed to have
Speaker 15: been Sean and Vader in that match, But I had
Speaker 15: worked with Vader in a house show at the Gardens
Speaker 15: prior to that and got such a reaction from the people.
Speaker 15: When I walked out, Vince was standing there. I knew
Speaker 15: without a word that he changed his mind. Who was
Speaker 15: going to be in that spot. No, they came to
Speaker 15: me said, we're gonna put this. You know, we're gonna
Speaker 15: Vader go over tonight because we'll go next time we're here.
Speaker 15: He's gonna be beating Hunk and then at the pay
Speaker 15: per view in Indianapolis, you'll put Vader over to, you know,
Speaker 15: for him to meet Shine at SummerSlam. I said, fine,
Speaker 15: you know that's that's perfect, you know. And so when
Speaker 15: I walked out that night to the walkway there I
Speaker 15: looked in Vince's face, I knew it was changed. So
Speaker 15: the month or so later, when Indianapolis get ready for
Speaker 15: the pay per view and they pulled me over the side, hey,
Speaker 15: things have changed, and I too, I told them what
Speaker 15: things have changed to.
Speaker 5: I knew it. You know, you just get those kind
Speaker 5: of feelings.
Speaker 18: Yeah, and you actually did the tweener role as well
Speaker 18: in the middle of the bratt Hard Steve Austin stuff too.
Speaker 15: Right and uh and that was that was a little
Speaker 15: you know for me too. As a hill when it
Speaker 15: was just hills and just baby faces. I was always
Speaker 15: a twiner, especially up in the Northern market. I was
Speaker 15: always perceived or cheered, and the baby faces hated that,
Speaker 15: you know, having to work with a guy.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 15: And I don't know if you know this yourself, but
Speaker 15: you know, if you're a baby face and you got
Speaker 15: ten thousand people cheering, you got one person booing you,
Speaker 15: it really grows mine, not mine. It doesn't bother some people.
Speaker 15: I've seen people like Bill Goldbert just literally go nuts.
Speaker 15: Customed person shut up, I say, hey, man, And then
Speaker 15: he's working with me and we'd get north and more
Speaker 15: people doo him. But no, I always I like that.
Speaker 15: You know, as a Hill, it's acceptable, you know, you
Speaker 15: accept the cheers in the boost. But that was That's
Speaker 15: always been my favorite rose to Hill.
Speaker 18: Did you find that with Shawn when you are working
Speaker 18: with Sean back then, that he would get real frazzled
Speaker 18: when the crowdits are going nuts.
Speaker 15: For you, not Sean, not Sean, notice Sean. Sean was up.
Speaker 15: I don't know if people know Sean as well or not.
Speaker 15: Sean is a real He's a giver. He gives out,
Speaker 15: you know, he gives to you. He makes me you know,
Speaker 15: like when we were Triple Threat matches me and him
Speaker 15: and Brett. You know, I'm not saying I said before
Speaker 15: working with Brett was like pulling teeth.
Speaker 18: He said that in the last shoot interview.
Speaker 15: Yeah, and Sean when he saw that me and Sean
Speaker 15: would look at each other. We just so I say, hey,
Speaker 15: we'll work around this, and Sean would go out of
Speaker 15: his way to really make me look super cool in
Speaker 15: the match. I do the same for him, and we
Speaker 15: do the same for Bed as well.
Speaker 14: So Sid as tweener, I mean, this is the role.
Speaker 14: This is the ultimate example of that.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, I mean I also I don't
Speaker 5: agree with him being the first tweener at all. I
Speaker 5: think I think it was definitely mashed the year prior.
Speaker 14: But you know, I mean, my fucking Paul Orndorff was
Speaker 14: a tweener when he was shooting with the Hogan. I
Speaker 14: mean it was like, oh was he I don't know. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 14: There's always been tweeners on the roster. It's just a
Speaker 14: question of who do they turn their attention to. You know,
Speaker 14: all it takes for a heel to become a tweener
Speaker 14: is have him do nothing different but attack a heel
Speaker 14: instead of a babyface.
Speaker 5: Right right exactly? Well yeah, or or to not give
Speaker 5: a shit about either. One really is what it is.
Speaker 5: And in many ways that was like that was Austin too,
Speaker 5: you know, in around this period. You know, he was
Speaker 5: very much a tweener and people were getting behind him,
Speaker 5: but he wasn't a babyface for sure.
Speaker 14: And that's another way Sids in concentric circles with this
Speaker 14: whole rising moment is that he's kind of a tweener
Speaker 14: that's setting a bit of the table for the Steve
Speaker 14: Austin tweener in that he's he's kind of showing that
Speaker 14: the audience is out there that will cheer when somebody
Speaker 14: does something like hyper violent to a goodie two shoes
Speaker 14: babyface yep, and they'll go with them. And Steve, you know,
Speaker 14: when he comes out to wrestle Bret Hart on that
Speaker 14: same show, Survivors Series nineteen ninety six, he does have
Speaker 14: vocal crowd support, but it's not yet. That Garden telling
Speaker 14: Vince like, no, this is the babyface or this is
Speaker 14: the guy we care about hadn't quite reached that point,
Speaker 14: whereas it had with Sid earlier in the night, and
Speaker 14: I think indicated that there was, you know, a stronger
Speaker 14: It wasn't just contrarianism. It was like, no, this is
Speaker 14: where the bulk of your hardest core fans, your New
Speaker 14: York fans want the company to go in terms of
Speaker 14: like structuring who's featured and whose babies and who's heels.
Speaker 14: And that's a huge night for that reason more than
Speaker 14: anything else. When Sid wins the bet and gets that
Speaker 14: kind of a response for doing it, even though he,
Speaker 14: you know, brings Jose Lafario in storyline of course, to
Speaker 14: the brink of heart attack and hits him with a
Speaker 14: television camera and does dastardly things to get there. No
Speaker 14: one gives a fuck and who who's doing that? To
Speaker 14: massive superstardom within weeks Steve Austin yep, just absolutely losing
Speaker 14: his mind, swinging anything he can get his hands on
Speaker 14: at Brett Hart and getting cheered even stronger for it
Speaker 14: every time he does it. So it's it's really interesting
Speaker 14: to think about it that way. And then there side
Speaker 14: is straight up confirming like it was in Indianapolis, the
Speaker 14: city where Buried Alive took place, that he gets the
Speaker 14: word He said that when he went to the curtain
Speaker 14: there in the garden once and he realized the crowd
Speaker 14: was with him, that it was going to be him
Speaker 14: and not Invader, and there was going to be a
Speaker 14: switch of the plans there. Yeah, I don't think Sid
Speaker 14: remembers it all the way down to what city he
Speaker 14: was informed of the change in plans if there never
Speaker 14: was a plan in the first place.
Speaker 5: To build up Vader he does.
Speaker 14: Yeah, so what does he do? What does Sid do?
Speaker 14: He beat Sean at Survivors Series. And we've talked about
Speaker 14: it before and it's only appropriate here in the Sid
Speaker 14: tribute we talk about it again. First the sights and
Speaker 14: sounds from the garden that night.
Speaker 8: And Sid was an opportunity here to finish it.
Speaker 16: S just marry it, finish it, it said, hits it,
Speaker 16: HiT's over.
Speaker 10: We got a new champion.
Speaker 4: I can't believe it.
Speaker 19: Let's sing tell out Sid.
Speaker 6: I can't believe it.
Speaker 20: Son, don't say there's a new time w champion.
Speaker 4: But time I donna take care last.
Speaker 21: Don Michael's mother, n it miss Bettorn, this trainer, it's
Speaker 21: fully hood maybe having some serious medical problems here.
Speaker 4: Shun is trying to help. Well, could he be maybe
Speaker 4: more of a hindrances.
Speaker 8: And as you said, I certainly hope that that is.
Speaker 22: Heart damage. Talking barely Kay walk Josey's heart because they damage.
Speaker 22: Jade is broken.
Speaker 16: And in the ring.
Speaker 23: Stands the new World Wrestling Federation Champion, the man who
Speaker 23: now will face Wret the hitman.
Speaker 13: Heart that ghost said rules the World Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 24: On November than seventeenth, nineteen ninety six, and Ladies and
Speaker 24: Gentlemen Survivors series has been nothing short of extraordinary.
Speaker 4: We invite you to join us.
Speaker 8: On December fifteen, and Christmas might be coming early for Brent.
Speaker 4: They hit Man Heart who goes now one on one
Speaker 4: with the rating.
Speaker 8: World Wrestling Federation Champion Pacholl said.
Speaker 4: Who would have ever thought this would have happened?
Speaker 2: Anything? Anything could happen.
Speaker 4: In the World Rustling Federation, as said Remos and his victory.
Speaker 4: Sean Michael said earlier that he would.
Speaker 23: Do anything to retain the title and said proved he
Speaker 23: would do anything to.
Speaker 8: Tell you the World Wrestling Federation Champion Psycho said.
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Speaker 5: What a night. Yeah, and again if you would recollections
Speaker 5: of seeing that play out and hearing it again, Oh,
Speaker 5: I mean I was disappointed in the fans because, you know,
Speaker 5: here was a guy that I was like, He's supposed
Speaker 5: to be the hero, you know, and what are you doing?
Speaker 5: Why are you booing it?
Speaker 2: What did he do?
Speaker 5: Why are you so happy to understand that. Why are
Speaker 5: you so happy when he lost? Did you hear that?
Speaker 15: Right?
Speaker 17: Right?
Speaker 16: Oh?
Speaker 5: It's huge? And what do we talk about?
Speaker 15: Who?
Speaker 5: Who's making the noise? The men, the guys, the guys,
Speaker 5: the guys.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yep, screaming over that one teenager you can hear
Speaker 14: go no is the ref's about to slap three.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's that's the thing too. It's like you got
Speaker 5: there is such a you know, it's it's it's younger,
Speaker 5: younger kids, Like I mean, I wasn't younger, I was fifteen,
Speaker 5: but you know, it's like these these much angrier, brutal
Speaker 5: guys are like they're overpowering.
Speaker 14: Yeah, they want to see goody two shoes squashed like
Speaker 14: a fucking grape. Yeah, it's not just they get indifferent
Speaker 14: to them and kind of jeer them a little bit,
Speaker 14: like Hogan. No, they want to see them get fucking
Speaker 14: murdered in that way exactly. And when the company gives
Speaker 14: it to them, they can't help but react in a
Speaker 14: guttural way. Even if the company gave it to him
Speaker 14: for reasons other than satisfying them, it's almost like they
Speaker 14: accidentally gave it to them in service of another agenda,
Speaker 14: which is to get the strap off Sewan heading into
Speaker 14: WrestleMania plans, or at least to get the strap off
Speaker 14: Seawan heading into the Royal Rumble and his native San
Speaker 14: Antonio at the Alamodome. Unbelievable. What a moment that was
Speaker 14: and what a show that was so consequential Servivras series
Speaker 14: ninety six not talked about.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Rockage celebrated nearly enough as it as it
Speaker 5: should be, for what it for, what it what it
Speaker 5: really signified.
Speaker 14: How wild We come back around to it here on
Speaker 14: on the eve of Saurvirora series season once again here
Speaker 14: this year, and and the references made there to the
Speaker 14: December pay per view where Brett, by virtue of beating
Speaker 14: Steve Austin earlier in the show, qualified to face the champion.
Speaker 14: And you were within your rights going into Survivor Series
Speaker 14: ninety six to kind of expect it to be Brett
Speaker 14: and Shawn again.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I mean, I don't think I even realized
Speaker 5: that it was. I don't think I even realized what
Speaker 5: that Brett was the going to be the top contendent challenger.
Speaker 5: You know, I don't think I even realized that at
Speaker 5: the time.
Speaker 14: I don't think they spent a lot of time ahead
Speaker 14: of the show emphasizing that, but I think in the
Speaker 14: body of the pay per view itself they decided to
Speaker 14: really lean in.
Speaker 5: So it was you know, I mean, I was just
Speaker 5: I was I was appalled. I was appalled and just shocked.
Speaker 14: And isn't it wild how you went from appalled to
Speaker 14: loving that same dynamic when it lit the fire under
Speaker 14: Steve Austin. Yes, your transformation was our generation. You know,
Speaker 14: we talk about the Attitude era as if like it
Speaker 14: was a generation after the one that we celebrate so
Speaker 14: much that really led to the record business. And the
Speaker 14: fans of the late nineties were the one. They were
Speaker 14: all us.
Speaker 5: We were just older.
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's not different, same fans, same fans that remembered
Speaker 14: it as like a kid thing tanemount to a Saturday
Speaker 14: Morning cartoon, in the same category as Captain Planet almost yep.
Speaker 14: And now it's like we're in a different place. Culture
Speaker 14: is in a different place. We're looking for something a
Speaker 14: little edgier, and what do you know, wrestling is willing
Speaker 14: to give it to us. But it's the same people.
Speaker 14: It's the same group of fans. I mean, yes, there
Speaker 14: are new youngsters watching wrestling in the Attitude era that
Speaker 14: weren't alive or were you know, babies in ninety one,
Speaker 14: ninety two or ninety But man, it was people that
Speaker 14: were like, holy shit, this is what wrestling is now
Speaker 14: because they had something to compare it to. And when
Speaker 14: you're oh, exactly having that reaction to Sid beating Sean,
Speaker 14: that's coming from a place of having learned what wrestling
Speaker 14: is supposed to be in the late eighties and early nineties.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I guess I would say, you know, in a
Speaker 5: weird way, that is that might have been a much
Speaker 5: more significant moment in I fandom that I really give
Speaker 5: it credit for. Yeah, as we're talking about it, because
Speaker 5: after that, I definitely paid attention more to what the
Speaker 5: fans were saying, right and what people were reacting to.
Speaker 26: Right.
Speaker 14: The reaction wasn't a give and it wasn't like, oh, man,
Speaker 14: this happens, and of course people are cheering. I don't
Speaker 14: even need to note it because that's logical. That's a
Speaker 14: logical reaction. But when people start reacting illogically, you're right,
Speaker 14: you start to pay a lot more attention to how
Speaker 14: the people are receiving it because you realize that this
Speaker 14: audience isn't calibrated like you are, right, The truth is
Speaker 14: they're just ahead of you. They know where you're going
Speaker 14: to end up, right, you know, as as a maturing
Speaker 14: wrestling fan in that era. But it's a remarkable night
Speaker 14: Sid becoming WWF champion for the very first time there
Speaker 14: and you heard it at this Fiber series nineteen ninety
Speaker 14: six and here he is in a shooting interview on
Speaker 14: the whole dynamic of Sean Michael's getting boot is the
Speaker 14: babyface by virtue of that of that program in that match.
Speaker 15: Yeah, you see, there's a big difference, you know, when
Speaker 15: you get everything inded to you in which I never
Speaker 15: got to push. I would run into a situation I
Speaker 15: see the businesses is bring a guy in, you'll give
Speaker 15: them a chance.
Speaker 5: To get over.
Speaker 3: I would.
Speaker 15: I came in right away my very first match as
Speaker 15: man event. I know, you know that was my argument.
Speaker 15: But give me time to you know, let me, you know,
Speaker 15: go six months you know, as a just killing people
Speaker 15: or whatever. You know, people like Dusty and only did
Speaker 15: with me. And that's how I got over, you know,
Speaker 15: And it was like it didn't it takes more than
Speaker 15: a week. It takes six months to a year. And
Speaker 15: I don't care who you are. I mean, I'm lucky
Speaker 15: I could draw money a little bit right away. But
Speaker 15: if I would get really the chance, and in my opinion,
Speaker 15: if I was the baby face and we had really
Speaker 15: built data up, I think we would do more business.
Speaker 15: And the company's ever seen in a long time.
Speaker 18: Was was management surprised about?
Speaker 5: However?
Speaker 7: You were in the garden, Oh I see.
Speaker 26: See.
Speaker 5: Some of the agents cried, I love that.
Speaker 15: My gosh, you know, you know they were so upset
Speaker 15: for shot, I guess, but it was pretty funny.
Speaker 18: It was like he was generally snapped at that point too,
Speaker 18: because he was going around the house shows and going
Speaker 18: off when he was getting booed, because it seemed like
Speaker 18: at that point he was more and more. Was there
Speaker 18: any resentment from him personally towards you. He never showed
Speaker 18: me to my face, you know.
Speaker 15: And you know, me and Sean I had pretty good
Speaker 15: relationships as far as I looked back at him. He's
Speaker 15: always courteous to me. I was was courtious to him,
Speaker 15: respected each other, He helped each other out. He was
Speaker 15: too tired to do a meet and great I did
Speaker 15: it for him. If I was too tired. He did
Speaker 15: it for me things like that, So, I uh, I
Speaker 15: know there was some kind of weird calls behind my back,
Speaker 15: but you know that that's always going to happen. And
Speaker 15: if you can't get that, then you shouldn't be in
Speaker 15: the business.
Speaker 5: What's kind of weird there? What hit your ear? Well,
Speaker 5: like it's someone doing meet and greets for Sean. It's
Speaker 5: like if he's too tired, It's like, well, if people
Speaker 5: are expecting you Shawn Michael's meet and greet, that ain't
Speaker 5: necessarily exciting when Sid shows, No, I mean it's better
Speaker 5: than nothing. But I get your point, and the same
Speaker 5: thing with the other way around, like you know, yeah,
Speaker 5: I don't know that's it's well, you know whatever.
Speaker 14: And you know what he means by too tired, right,
Speaker 14: what getting later drunk and high? Drunk and high, yes,
Speaker 14: of course, not getting to bed till five thirty in
Speaker 14: the morning. So because they're mature adults, Well, I think
Speaker 14: that's the takeaway. I think by the time we're done
Speaker 14: with this tribut, we're going to realize that the business
Speaker 14: is full of mature adults. I think that's going to
Speaker 14: I think it's gonn be the big surprise revelation of
Speaker 14: this whole thing. Right, yeah, I agree, But there he
Speaker 14: is talking about how you know, the six month thing
Speaker 14: and how captive a window. This is just of Sid
Speaker 14: getting the spotlight and giving us even a sense of
Speaker 14: like what could have been almost and you know, no
Speaker 14: blowback from Sean, like yeah, because sew knew the whole time,
Speaker 14: then he's going to get it back from you, right
Speaker 14: he's now of course he's not going to consider you
Speaker 14: a threat. You're just a nexus to get this big
Speaker 14: moment in the Almaldome. So yeah, of course you didn't
Speaker 14: catch the wrath because they never went with you. But
Speaker 14: if they decided to go with you past royal rumble,
Speaker 14: if they said Sean actually were going to put Sid over,
Speaker 14: Sid would have been a Sewn's biggest enemy.
Speaker 5: In the world. Oh absolutely, So.
Speaker 14: Again we have this captive period of time where it's
Speaker 14: where Sid is the man, he's the champion, and you
Speaker 14: can reasonably, you know, start to talk about him as
Speaker 14: like the most important person on the show. And in
Speaker 14: that vein the World Wrestling Federation produces an issue of
Speaker 14: what they used to call spotlight. Oh yeah, what can
Speaker 14: you tell the people about spotlight?
Speaker 5: Spotlight was a it was a I don't know what
Speaker 5: you'd call it, but it was not a a regular magazine.
Speaker 5: It wasn't a monthly magazine.
Speaker 16: Right.
Speaker 5: It came out maybe a couple of times. It might
Speaker 5: have been quarterly or maybe, I don't know, I'm not
Speaker 5: sure how often. It seems sporadic, but yeah, it was
Speaker 5: basically they would use it to, I don't know, highlight
Speaker 5: somebody that probably needed highlighting.
Speaker 14: Right, Yeah, it was basically you know they're not dead,
Speaker 14: of course, but you know when someone dies, like Time
Speaker 14: magazine will come out with an issue that's about their
Speaker 14: life in Times, yeah, that'll sell because people are in
Speaker 14: the mood to learn about that person and you've taken
Speaker 14: their legacy. And when someone gets a massive push or
Speaker 14: wins the title, they would put a spotlight out to,
Speaker 14: you know, lead fans to think about the the arc
Speaker 14: of this person.
Speaker 5: And they even did Woe with Hogan for that matter.
Speaker 5: You know, they did them with Hogan in ninety three,
Speaker 5: right when he came back, they had they had a
Speaker 5: Spotlight issue right around the time, maybe a little bit
Speaker 5: after he had his first uh, his his return w
Speaker 5: magazine issue. Did you pick that one up? Oh, fuck you,
Speaker 5: I did excellent, absolutely no fucking whim missing that one.
Speaker 14: And so just the fact that they would do one
Speaker 14: said something on you. Yeah, yeah, it's not really you know,
Speaker 14: small beans. They do it about We're talking Warrior, Hogan Brett, Demolition,
Speaker 14: Jake Deebers. They did one in an L O. D.
Speaker 14: And Andre, they did some one of the Steiners and Diesel.
Speaker 14: You know, like, if you weren't it's very unlikely, if
Speaker 14: you weren't in contention for a belt in WWF, that
Speaker 14: they would think about doing a spotlight about you at
Speaker 14: the very least. And so the one on the one
Speaker 14: on Sid, if I'm not mistaken, is the last one
Speaker 14: they ever did.
Speaker 5: No kidding, I didn't know that.
Speaker 14: And it's a famous one because it's famous because it
Speaker 14: has that picture of Sid holding a globe in his
Speaker 14: hand of the world. Yes, yes, And that's a picture
Speaker 14: that's always circulated when it comes to like yeah, it's
Speaker 14: just a really colorful image and it's very evocative around
Speaker 14: like what Sid was and the character they wanted to
Speaker 14: portray him as. It's kind of like, you know, master
Speaker 14: of the World has got the world in his hands,
Speaker 14: but he's also got to look on his face like
Speaker 14: he's like he's having a perverse enjoyment holding the world
Speaker 14: in his hand, right.
Speaker 5: As you should. Really, if you are the master and
Speaker 5: rule of the world, you should have a perverse enjoyment
Speaker 5: of it with a.
Speaker 14: Really you know, uh, strange enthusiastic and wild expression on
Speaker 14: his face, very colorful look on his face.
Speaker 5: Oh sweet. Like we like characters, you know, big fan
Speaker 5: of characters, and you know, the larger than life individuality.
Speaker 5: So the fact they have characterization of characters, but we'll
Speaker 5: get into that, because the fact that they did one
Speaker 5: said something, but what they said in the pages of
Speaker 5: it meant even more. And this is from the pen
Speaker 5: of Vince Russo himself when he was writing for the magazine,
Speaker 5: still splitting his time between writing for the magazine and
Speaker 5: running for television before you know, the full throttle takeover
Speaker 5: of creative And so what we're gonna do is we're
Speaker 5: gonna march through it because this is really this is
Speaker 5: a document that tells us, I think the most about
Speaker 5: how WWF was thinking of sid in his place in
Speaker 5: the pantheon when they strapped him up. And so here
Speaker 5: we go through the pages of Spotlight, and I'll guide
Speaker 5: you here a little bit boss in terms of not
Speaker 5: every last thing that we're going to read, right, but
Speaker 5: there's that image on the cover. They're advertising the upcoming
Speaker 5: Royal Rumble and Vince Russo Boss has a word for
Speaker 5: readers right off the top letter from the editor, Well
Speaker 5: you should read that one.
Speaker 14: In the history of the World Wrestling Federation, there has
Speaker 14: never been a champion quite like Psycho Sid, with one
Speaker 14: of the most impressive physiques in the sport today or
Speaker 14: ever for that matter. The man from West Memphis, Arkansas
Speaker 14: finally exploded his potential at the nineteen ninety six Survivor
Speaker 14: Series when he defeated Shawn Michaels en route to becoming
Speaker 14: the World Wrestling Federation Champion. Up until that point in
Speaker 14: his career, bro critics always knew that Sid would be great,
Speaker 14: but the question most frequently asked was when Sid first
Speaker 14: entered the World Wrestling Federation in nineteen ninety one as
Speaker 14: a young man who was relatively new to the wrestling business.
Speaker 14: Bro later on, relatively Yeah, I guess three years experience,
Speaker 14: four years experience, then that counts as relatively new. Really,
Speaker 14: later on he would admit that he may have been
Speaker 14: just too green. Both mentally and emotionally to be able
Speaker 14: to cope with the big time. Immediately following WrestleMania eight,
Speaker 14: Sid disappeared from the Federation. This is interesting because they
Speaker 14: didn't talk a lot about his first run when.
Speaker 5: He came back. No, not at all.
Speaker 14: So this magazine is, you know, trying to do something
Speaker 14: that they didn't do on television, which is remind you
Speaker 14: that this guy had a prior incarnation, right right, and
Speaker 14: try to thread those two runs together from the Federation,
Speaker 14: only to return some three years later in February ninety
Speaker 14: five as the bodyguard of Shawn Michaels. Once again. After
Speaker 14: only a short stay, Sid left the Federation in early
Speaker 14: nineteen ninety six. Early nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 5: I mean, I guess maybe he could have been January
Speaker 5: ninety six he left. I don't know.
Speaker 14: Yeah, he was off television, but yeah, I think I
Speaker 14: think that might be right. He may have done how
Speaker 14: shows until the beginning of ninety six. The third time, however,
Speaker 14: seemed to be a charm for the man now referred
Speaker 14: to as Psycho. After returning to the Federation in July,
Speaker 14: this time to team with the former enemy Shawn Michaels,
Speaker 14: a mature and season, Sid silenced all his critics by
Speaker 14: beating his ex boss at the Brawl Classic, thus becoming
Speaker 14: the champion they would now call Sid. As of press time,
Speaker 14: SID certainly does rule the world all caps, like he
Speaker 14: tweets today, all caps and how great this individual can be.
Speaker 14: He is yet to be determined, I can say that again,
Speaker 14: however predetermined. However, one thing remains certain. He is the
Speaker 14: master and the ruler of the world. Okay, So we
Speaker 14: start flipping through and they do a piece going back
Speaker 14: to Spring ninety one and the arrival of Sid, and
Speaker 14: we see him in the Zebra stripes at Summer Slam
Speaker 14: ninety one, and they're talking about Slaughter and Hogan. They
Speaker 14: talk about to Hogan when he's in WCW.
Speaker 5: They didn't do a lot of that now I remember
Speaker 5: in like ninety five ninety six they started really changing
Speaker 5: that and sharing talking talking about history and talking about
Speaker 5: people who were in WCW right and or at least
Speaker 5: weren't even working for them, right. So they take us
Speaker 5: from there and they go through the match Made in
Speaker 5: Hell at SummerSlam and the interference in the wedding and
Speaker 5: the feud with Jake, and then they go through of
Speaker 5: course the nineteen ninety two Royal Rumble and show picture
Speaker 5: of that with him facing off with the Hogan and
Speaker 5: auld they hear it. Let me see what they say here.
Speaker 5: They were things being a changer and the ciilmonated some
Speaker 5: of his most hated enemies, even liminated Hall Cogan, a
Speaker 5: man he considered a frema. Sid was aware of the
Speaker 5: Rumos' most basic tenants. There are no friends. That is
Speaker 5: an event in which every man fights for himself. I
Speaker 5: had the opportunities to get rid of Hogan, and that's
Speaker 5: what I did. I didn't care. I didn't care what
Speaker 5: any would hear, anybody else would say about it.
Speaker 14: You're calling me and that's a quote sort from the
Speaker 14: old magazine. That's all I'm talking now.
Speaker 5: And then he talks about Yeah, they don't okay, they
Speaker 5: don't really talk about I'm surprised. Usually usually around this time,
Speaker 5: if they were talking about Hogan, they'd take a little jab,
Speaker 5: like like he says he deserved what he got. Sid
Speaker 5: says of Hogan, Yeah kind of, no, I guess, I guess,
Speaker 5: but but it's still like they would they would say
Speaker 5: like that Hulk Hogan was a coward. By pulling Sid
Speaker 5: out from Ah, you know, like they would they would,
Speaker 5: they would, they would kind of they would always belittle
Speaker 5: Hogan a little bit.
Speaker 14: This's what you're looking for, and it was the beginning
Speaker 14: of the end of Hulk Hogan. The man has never
Speaker 14: been the same since Wreslomania eight kind of. But that's
Speaker 14: still not it Like, that's not hard to know.
Speaker 5: They would they would have, they would have made they
Speaker 5: would have brought to attention the fact that the fans
Speaker 5: cheered for Sid right and boot Hulk Hogan right in
Speaker 5: that that's what they would have That's what they would
Speaker 5: have done. But I mean, even but they do they
Speaker 5: kind of go in gear and they say, you know,
Speaker 5: downward spot on Hogan's career. Bloody, bloody blah.
Speaker 14: But and it describes the end of this run in
Speaker 14: this article as days after the event wrestleming he Ate,
Speaker 14: without warning or notice, Sid vanished from the World Wrestling Federation. Vanished, Yeah,
Speaker 14: and it says he went in he went into self
Speaker 14: imposed exile for the next three years until returning to
Speaker 14: the Federation early nineteen ninety five.
Speaker 5: Would he go on an island or something?
Speaker 14: Well during his hiatus ad reads many say that's when
Speaker 14: he transformed into a complete, albeit popular psycho, and then
Speaker 14: they go through a period of his life where he's
Speaker 14: the bodyguard of Seawann Michaels, and they recount all of that,
Speaker 14: and as we did last week, go through WrestleMania and
Speaker 14: show him in the vest and jeans backing up Sean
Speaker 14: Yep and that big promo and the big heel turn
Speaker 14: and all of that, and they flash forward from there
Speaker 14: to the interview with Keith Elliott Greenberg. And this is
Speaker 14: to get into Sid's head while gripping the Gold Eagle,
Speaker 14: the Winged Eagle WWF title belt. I'll be Keith, you
Speaker 14: b Sid. World Wrestling Federation Champion Shawn Michaels, reportedly at
Speaker 14: the peak of his career, had been dethroned by his
Speaker 14: former bodyguard Sid. Overnight. The perception of Sid changed drastically.
Speaker 14: No longer was the granite bodied brute, regarded as a
Speaker 14: hot headed ruffian constantly threatening to but never succeeding in
Speaker 14: capturing the gold. Now Psycho Sid was the undisputed king
Speaker 14: of the squared Circle, the holder of the most coveted
Speaker 14: title in the sport of kings, the man for Michaels
Speaker 14: and every other top contender in the Matt Wars to
Speaker 14: line up to challenge. As reporters clamored to question the
Speaker 14: new titleist, Sid took time out of his whirlwind schedule
Speaker 14: to grant one of his first interviews exclusively to this publication.
Speaker 5: Like you'd fucking do an interview for anybody else's publican.
Speaker 14: Right, like second or third right. A few days after
Speaker 14: winning the World Wresting Federation Championship, you disappeared. No one
Speaker 14: could find you. When we finally attracked you down, we
Speaker 14: discovered that you've been hunting with your old buddies from Arkansas.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 5: After all the pain and the sweat till to get
Speaker 5: back to the top, I wanted to remember who I
Speaker 5: am and where I come from. I've been hunting with
Speaker 5: these same friends since I was a little kid. When
Speaker 5: I'm with them, I'm not the World Wrestling Entertainment Champion
Speaker 5: or a guy whose picture appears out of magazine covers
Speaker 5: in places like Japan, in India and South Africa. I'm
Speaker 5: the same guy I've always known, and it's important for
Speaker 5: me to face the people who've known me all my life,
Speaker 5: through good times and bad, to bring me back to earth.
Speaker 14: It sounds like you were floating above the clouds until
Speaker 14: you got back to Arkansas.
Speaker 5: Let me put it this way, how many people experienced
Speaker 5: a thrill of winning the ww Championship. One in one
Speaker 5: hundred million, maybe fewer. Is something any kid who ever
Speaker 5: turned on a wrestling match on TV dreams about. But
Speaker 5: I was actually able to do it. It was a long,
Speaker 5: rough road with a lot of detours and a lot
Speaker 5: of agony. But when I got back to that locker
Speaker 5: room after running the title, I really felt like I
Speaker 5: was in heaven.
Speaker 14: It's funny that you'd feel that way since it was
Speaker 14: kind of a controversial victory.
Speaker 3: What was so controversially about it?
Speaker 14: Well, the way that you found Michael's weak spot and
Speaker 14: managed to achieve the victory.
Speaker 2: What do you mean.
Speaker 5: Managed to achieve the victory as if it was a fluke.
Speaker 5: You know, I trained for a long time for that moment.
Speaker 5: I devoted my life wrestling, and I earned that championship.
Speaker 5: You want to know how I beat Michaels.
Speaker 3: By driving that with the bomb, Bob, That's how.
Speaker 5: By being the better man.
Speaker 14: But you also attacked his manager, Jose Lafario. True, That's
Speaker 14: all you have to say.
Speaker 5: True. What else is there to say it was my fault.
Speaker 5: He decided to climb up on the ring apron in
Speaker 5: the middle match, But when I saw him on a
Speaker 5: ring apron, I made a choice to tour a negative
Speaker 5: into more positive instead of letting him distract me, I
Speaker 5: grabbed the camera out of the camera man's hand.
Speaker 3: And smashed Lathoria with it.
Speaker 5: Hey, it's not like I was hitting some poor, defenceless fan.
Speaker 5: Jose Lathario has one of the most knowledgeable minds in wrestling.
Speaker 5: He knew when he was climbing up that ring apron
Speaker 5: that he was putting himself in danger, but he did
Speaker 5: it anyway, and he paid the price.
Speaker 14: Then you hit Michael's with the camera as well before
Speaker 14: giving him a power bomb in scoring the pen.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not ashamed of that. Look at Michaels. Are
Speaker 5: you telling me that Sean wouldn't have done the same
Speaker 5: thing to me if he thought it'd throw off my
Speaker 5: game plan? You know he would. Now, I don't hate
Speaker 5: Sean Michaels. I don't hat Jose Lathario, but you don't
Speaker 5: get to the top of the world as he hit
Speaker 5: a dam it by loving your coworker. There's your coworkers
Speaker 5: gonna step over your body to grab the big prize,
Speaker 5: so you get to the top, but out thinking the
Speaker 5: other guy, which I did when I shifted Michael's mind
Speaker 5: to the Thario instead of the match, then blasted him
Speaker 5: with everything you got.
Speaker 14: Apparently the fans at Madison Square Garden appreciated your strategy,
Speaker 14: as I recall, they were jumping all over you after
Speaker 14: you won the belt. They didn't seem to have a
Speaker 14: problem with your actions at all. Now, come on, weren't
Speaker 14: you a little surprised about that?
Speaker 5: A massive square garden from New Yorkers? You gotta be
Speaker 5: kidding me.
Speaker 3: You ever been in New York? It's getting on the
Speaker 3: subways a fight to the death.
Speaker 5: Well during rush hour. He's not wrong if you got
Speaker 5: to elbows some Moosella Thario got out of the way
Speaker 5: just to get a seat. It's nothing personal, just the
Speaker 5: way it is. That's a lot of the fans were
Speaker 5: cheering for me. They know that I'm not some kind
Speaker 5: of demon. I'm just a regular guy, kind of like
Speaker 5: them in an Arkansas way who saw an opportunity.
Speaker 26: And took it.
Speaker 14: Michaels doesn't see it that way. He says, you attacked
Speaker 14: an old man and that getting back at you is
Speaker 14: almost as important to him as getting back the title.
Speaker 3: It doesn't right now what show Michael sticks does it?
Speaker 5: He seems to forget that, Uh, he's not a champion anymore.
Speaker 3: I'm a champion.
Speaker 5: He's the one who has to come to me if
Speaker 5: he wants a shot of the gold, and I'm the
Speaker 5: one who says the conditions, not him.
Speaker 14: Do you ever worry that under regular wrestling conditions, with
Speaker 14: no cameras to grab and no managers, Michaels would beat you.
Speaker 5: If I worried about that, I'd be in the wrong business.
Speaker 5: It's nice to imagine what the world singenterteam will be
Speaker 5: like if everyone stayed on the map, exchanging fireman's carries,
Speaker 5: hammer locks, leg grapevines. But we don't live in that
Speaker 5: kind of world. When Sid wrestles, he uses the whole
Speaker 5: arena as a weapon, the ring, steps, the guardrail, the cameras,
Speaker 5: stannuncer's table, So Seawn Michaels. So it's the undertaker, so
Speaker 5: does Brett Hart. Now I've heard people say that the
Speaker 5: world of sing entertainment is a place without rules, but
Speaker 5: I disagree with that. Today the world was sing entertainment
Speaker 5: is a place operated under Sid's rules. That's why I
Speaker 5: want the belt, and that's well, I'll be champion as
Speaker 5: long as I want to be amazing. By the way,
Speaker 5: he looks like an absolute bitch. Where that fucking painters
Speaker 5: idiot baseball cap the painter's cap he used to wear
Speaker 5: for some reason though, Oh, he's such a fucking I
Speaker 5: don't know what the deal was with that thing, but
Speaker 5: he would wear it backwards like a little boy all
Speaker 5: the time, all the time. It's not softball season all
Speaker 5: the time, you know, fucking moron.
Speaker 14: They want to give us a wider sense of the man.
Speaker 14: And after the article is about you know, beating on
Speaker 14: Sean and winning its arrivs. Series, we go to page
Speaker 14: twenty four to twenty six of the file here and
Speaker 14: the article is entitled when He's Sane Psycho. Sid is
Speaker 14: a man of contradictions.
Speaker 5: Uh oh.
Speaker 14: In the ring, he is fearless and utterly ruthless. He
Speaker 14: never takes a backwards step, and he's always on the offensive,
Speaker 14: splattering opponents like Vader and gold Dust with alarming ease.
Speaker 14: During interviews, sid sinister look and vocal outbursts have been
Speaker 14: enough to dissuade most athletes from wrestling him. Yet beyond
Speaker 14: the glitter and the glitz of the World Wrestling Federation,
Speaker 14: Psycho Sit is a man of reserve, a man of patients,
Speaker 14: and a man who has a fond appreciation and respect
Speaker 14: for nature and game.
Speaker 21: A man.
Speaker 14: I've been waiting to find out what he measured in
Speaker 14: game management Fridays to say, ducks.
Speaker 2: Game.
Speaker 14: So Boss take it from here. Sid, I guess, is
Speaker 14: a much different person off the mat, is he not?
Speaker 5: Sid is a much different person off the mat. In fact,
Speaker 5: this magazine has learned that the Quote Monster from West
Speaker 5: Memphis is an avid hunter who uses the sport as
Speaker 5: therapy to help him Quote relax. The wild gives me
Speaker 5: a chance to reflect on my career and other choices
Speaker 5: I've made in my life.
Speaker 14: Also an avid hunter Stephanie's husband.
Speaker 5: On that note, Sid isn't any different from other professional
Speaker 5: athletes scores of NFL and NBA superstars. Superstars, by the way,
Speaker 5: not players or athletes. Superstars as well as professional baseball
Speaker 5: players enjoy hunting and f like said, they enjoy the
Speaker 5: challenge of the hunt and the peacefulness of being at
Speaker 5: one with the land and the animals that live upon it.
Speaker 5: Each year said, does what every deer hunter must do.
Speaker 5: He pays for and obtains permits to harvest deer pays
Speaker 5: for and obtains permits. You heard it here. First he
Speaker 5: obtains permits to harvest, not to hunt. Harvest, because are
Speaker 5: they growing deer to be harvested? Is that what's going on?
Speaker 14: I suppose, yeah, that he's seeing to it that deer's
Speaker 14: you know, procreate so that he can kill them. All right, Well,
Speaker 14: there we go, they're harvesting and procreating deer. He realizes
Speaker 14: that his payments for permits, licenses, and ammunition help maintain
Speaker 14: state designated hunting habitats.
Speaker 5: Oh good, well, I'm glad. He realizes that in the
Speaker 5: United States, all the money I pay for deer tags
Speaker 5: and hunting licenses is funneled back into the game management system.
Speaker 14: Also involved in the game management system Stephanie, who says.
Speaker 5: The calendar in the in the the Helmsley House. This
Speaker 5: secures hunters safe every areas in which to hunt, and
Speaker 5: also maintains ecosystems. You know, the balance of the herds
Speaker 5: in the woods.
Speaker 14: The jim herds in the woods, said the jim hers
Speaker 14: in the The first time he's tried to hunt a herd.
Speaker 5: O deer herds have skyrocket in the last decade. He says,
Speaker 5: there are millions of deer in the United States and
Speaker 5: their numbers are always increasing. I'm going to say about it.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna say it doesn't seem like it actually, if
Speaker 5: it weren't for concerned hunters, like said, those numbers could
Speaker 5: pose a problem to people.
Speaker 14: Oh thank god, he's killing these animals, especial what we do.
Speaker 14: He wasn't fucking killing these animals all the time, I.
Speaker 5: Mean, we'd all be in deep trouble.
Speaker 14: Come on, dear, I really kind of thought like it
Speaker 14: was gonna say, you know, there are millions of deer
Speaker 14: in the United States and their days are numbered.
Speaker 5: That's what he should say.
Speaker 3: I'm hutting you down.
Speaker 14: Just the guy you want to see trapesing through the
Speaker 14: woods and fatigues. Jesus, Now I know where they got
Speaker 14: the very windom gimmick from.
Speaker 5: Imagine you see Sid It's like, you know, just also
Speaker 5: I picture mounting with you know, like he's wearing fatigue,
Speaker 5: Like he's wearing like those kinds of cargo pants. You know,
Speaker 5: he's were you know, uh a camo uh cargo pants
Speaker 5: and a camo vest, no shirt, all right, and a
Speaker 5: white baseball hat.
Speaker 14: Oh my god, all right, that's the whole Cogan movie.
Speaker 14: What movie is it where he's got the camo vest
Speaker 14: and like the fake hair? Is that a secret agent club?
Speaker 5: One of those? Oh yeah, it was one of those.
Speaker 5: You see a picture here in the magazine. No you no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: no no no no, it wasn't that. It was the
Speaker 5: ultimate weapon, Ultimate weapon? Sure, ultimate weapon. So are they
Speaker 5: called Rick Wilson? They should have called them.
Speaker 3: I'm proud of you, dear. You can'todd from Sid.
Speaker 5: God, I thought you were reading the article again. I'm
Speaker 5: like trying to Did you say that? Did I lose
Speaker 5: my place? That would be amazing. So the if it
Speaker 5: weren't for concerted hunters like Sid, those numbers could pose
Speaker 5: a problem to people, especially farmers who depend on their
Speaker 5: crops for a livelihood. Too many deer in one area
Speaker 5: means too many hungry deer. Too many hungry deer means
Speaker 5: the animals will wander deeper into populated areas in order
Speaker 5: to eat and survive. Another reason Sid likes to likes
Speaker 5: deer hunting is because the sport unites families, and it
Speaker 5: also destroys exactly. It depends what you mean. During the
Speaker 5: rare occasions away from the ring in the deer season,
Speaker 5: Sid often takes his twelve year old son, Frank, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna teach you how to deliver Vienna's. Frank, We're gonna
Speaker 5: hunt deer venison. You got that. This is where it
Speaker 5: comes from. We got Vienna venison, sausages, hot dogs, canned
Speaker 5: Vienna medallions. These are these are the Vienna medallions. Right.
Speaker 5: Don't want you to aim. I want you to shoot
Speaker 5: that deer, Frank, I said, put your gun, put your
Speaker 5: gun on your shoulder. You aim, and you kill that deer.
Speaker 3: Fank, Dude, I said, kill the deer.
Speaker 5: It's gone. Now look what.
Speaker 3: Happened right away? Because you're stupid.
Speaker 5: Because you're stupid ass. Are you sure that's why you
Speaker 5: run away?
Speaker 15: Dad?
Speaker 3: Hey, right away? Because you're stupid.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, Frank just a fucking twelve year old kid,
Speaker 5: just like trying to, you know, please his dad, Daddy.
Speaker 5: He doesn't talk like that. He ran away because you're stupid, Naddy.
Speaker 5: Why are you yelling at me, daddy?
Speaker 3: Because you're stupid, Frank.
Speaker 6: You let him get.
Speaker 5: Away, Daddy, and you're ruining everything. Now I'm gonna go
Speaker 5: up to Zuzu and see her room.
Speaker 2: What do you say?
Speaker 5: Now, I'm gonna go up and check on Zusa.
Speaker 3: And Susan's sick.
Speaker 11: I'm gonna fucking check your because you're a fucking sellure.
Speaker 5: Frank Christer was one of the kids. Frank, No, so
Speaker 5: it's so drafting in this house.
Speaker 3: It's so fucking class in this house.
Speaker 5: That's it as George Bailey. Too bad we didn't attribute
Speaker 5: this guy before we did that one.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I would have named George Bailey Heasley
Speaker 3: out a boy, Clarence.
Speaker 5: Clarence is like said, I'm managing the heels.
Speaker 3: Oh Jesus, allright.
Speaker 15: Uh.
Speaker 5: This is a great year old hunter picture to the
Speaker 5: right with his dad and younger brother, Gunnar. Gunner along Gunnar.
Speaker 5: That's a nice spelled gunner. It's Gunnar along with him.
Speaker 5: In fact, Frank is an accomplished marksman. Skip skip skip
Speaker 5: here two years ago, Frank would sit it a side
Speaker 5: bagged an eight point buck. Oh yeah, and I got
Speaker 5: my attention.
Speaker 17: Son.
Speaker 5: There's just pictures of fucking deer heads in the wall,
Speaker 5: which I just you know, I've never understood that the taxidermy. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I just don't understand, Like, I don't want animals heads
Speaker 5: up there looking at me. I don't get it.
Speaker 14: So I know it's not even like an animal rights thing.
Speaker 14: It's like it's creepy as fuck.
Speaker 5: Right, I I listen, I get it. You know that's
Speaker 5: the way some people are. They want to hunt. Fine,
Speaker 5: it's really it's just it's that, I that what the
Speaker 5: fuck's looking at you?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 5: Those eyes are I don't need that. I don't need
Speaker 5: that ship. It looks like a Christmas display in the lawn. Really,
Speaker 5: I know, it looks like animatronic reindeer. Creepy, creepy as fuck.
Speaker 5: Two years ago, Frank with the other eight point fick.
Speaker 5: It was the youngster's first registered deal deer kill, and
Speaker 5: it made both father and son extremely extremely proud. Frank
Speaker 5: Baggs first deer while he was in the sixth grade.
Speaker 5: Three years ago. It says he's twelve, right, I know
Speaker 5: you're gonna do that. That doesn't make any sense. He's twelve.
Speaker 5: He should be in the sixth grade. Awesome, right, that's
Speaker 5: you turn ten. Maybe he is fourth grade you turn
Speaker 5: eleven in the Uh, yeah, he should be in the
Speaker 5: sixth grade, maybe seventh grade, I suppose, But maybe he
Speaker 5: was on accelerated learning because he's just so brilliant. Maybe
Speaker 5: maybe maybe that's maybe that's why he can't fucking h
Speaker 5: he can't deliver Vienna's and he's so fucking smart.
Speaker 14: Don't you know that when kids are on track to
Speaker 14: Star and brother one year that they shoot him up
Speaker 14: four or five grades.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure. I'm sure he shoot him up a
Speaker 5: whole different kind of ways. He shoot him rigs and
Speaker 5: fucking needles and shit, just rigs. What about bagwell? What wow?
Speaker 5: Will you getting it? Will you do him? Sid there's
Speaker 5: no bagwell, there's no time to.
Speaker 14: Bagwell, right, and that's ladies and gentlemen. While he got
Speaker 14: fired from the grocery store.
Speaker 7: Ah.
Speaker 5: Indeed, I have heard that he used twelve gage shotguns
Speaker 5: and bagged the bucket the Panther Creek game refuge in Mississippi.
Speaker 14: I want to short change the kid twenty gauge shotgun
Speaker 14: T ten, sorry to double the gauge double gate brother,
Speaker 14: if only double gate. Panther Creek is one of the
Speaker 14: most prestigious state owned hunting preserves in the United States.
Speaker 14: The refuse, what do I feel like we just talked
Speaker 14: about we talked about something on cinemat with turkey turkey hunting?
Speaker 5: Did we did?
Speaker 27: We?
Speaker 5: Yeah? We did. There was some article because it had
Speaker 5: the guy the same name about It had very little
Speaker 5: to do with the actual movie, but the the guy
Speaker 5: who was in charge of the same name as somebody
Speaker 5: we were I was doing a profile on. But it
Speaker 5: turned out to not be the same guy. But the
Speaker 5: story was just so fucking funny that I had to
Speaker 5: read it. And it was involving Panther Creek. No, it
Speaker 5: wasn't Panther Creek, but it was about some kind of
Speaker 5: like organized turkey hunting. To bring that one back to Thanksgiving,
Speaker 5: yeah exactly. I'll have to find that that piece. I
Speaker 5: can here in Black Bear, as well as a variety
Speaker 5: of water fowls such as canvas back ducks. Teals, Wait,
Speaker 5: canvas back bumps? Brother, what canvas back ducks? Haven't heard
Speaker 5: of that? Canvas camas? What we mean do?
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Speaker 5: And Japiso ask your question, boss, real quick, Yeah, pumpkin
Speaker 5: seeds yet soon this week? Checking this sweet checking. I
Speaker 5: didn't want to miss the opportunity. Get it. No, no, no,
Speaker 5: it's it's gonna happen. Listen, listen, I'll tell you what
Speaker 5: You'll know for sure because I'll be snacking the fuck
Speaker 5: on this. As we talked about turkey, you know, I
Speaker 5: had to had now we get because we got to
Speaker 5: carve the jack lane in his first and then pumpkin seeds.
Speaker 5: I made my cinnamon sugar ones. Those were oh lovely.
Speaker 5: You know we have I'm actually might try a batch
Speaker 5: of that because we have it. Man, so simple, we
Speaker 5: have so many. We actually have a ton of just
Speaker 5: by chance. My parents came down and brought small pumpkins
Speaker 5: as well. Despite the ones that we bought that I
Speaker 5: got for my family, we actually have a huge amount.
Speaker 5: So actually there's this is a good year to to
Speaker 5: mix it up a little bit elt butter. Well, let
Speaker 5: them drive elt butter in a bowl, ye, and put
Speaker 5: them in cinnamon sugar on top, mix them up, bake them.
Speaker 5: We'll give us shop business.
Speaker 14: I'll give it Thanksgiving sandwich come as well. I take
Speaker 14: it as Oh yes, I see turkey's wandering the neighborhood,
Speaker 14: and I'm saying, guys, your days are numbered.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, you're gonna get in my belly on the
Speaker 5: day after. I'm thanksgiving him the day after. More importantly,
Speaker 5: so that's where the danger happened.
Speaker 14: You can only read this much about hunting this close
Speaker 14: to game season, foul season without reminding folks that Dosa,
Speaker 14: those sweet smells and flavors right around the corner as well.
Speaker 14: Oh it's it's so necessary for Christmas this year. Yeah,
Speaker 14: it's the plan. There's the plan.
Speaker 5: I'm planning numbers, showing it up pretty hard. Please continue,
Speaker 5: all right. Canvas back ducks, teals, and Canadian geese, not
Speaker 5: to mention other game birds such as pheasant, bob, white, quail,
Speaker 5: and partridge. Said tells this magazine that deer hunting almost
Speaker 5: caused him serious injury, not by his or someone else's gun,
Speaker 5: but by a buck itself and buck, damn bucky, by
Speaker 5: a damn buck itself. I was hunting during the rut,
Speaker 5: the period when dominant bucks compete for their foe. They're
Speaker 5: doe the female of the species, Sid says, when a
Speaker 5: big deal charged with me. Now I'm an't afraid of
Speaker 5: any man in the ring. I'll take on vader or
Speaker 5: mankind any day of the week. But this was unreal.
Speaker 5: I froze for a second as the buck came at me.
Speaker 5: The sun was going down, so I couldn't really see
Speaker 5: him well coming through the brush. When he got about
Speaker 5: ten feet away from me, that's when I decided to
Speaker 5: harvest it. Oh, harvest is another word for kill. I see,
Speaker 5: I get well. I mean, I guess it's still fucking weird.
Speaker 5: It's weird to me. I don't know because to me, again,
Speaker 5: the idea of harvesting and you know, listen, I'm not
Speaker 5: a hunter, so I don't fucking know shit. So anyone
Speaker 5: who's a hunter can can definitely tell me that I'm
Speaker 5: an idiot for saying this. But to me, harvesting is
Speaker 5: you row something and then you harvest it. Right, They're
Speaker 5: not again, they're not growing deer.
Speaker 14: Harvest is when you turn something you brought into existence into.
Speaker 5: Food, right exactly.
Speaker 14: Let me ask you a question, growing, does this article
Speaker 14: qualified deer hunter?
Speaker 15: That?
Speaker 5: Okay, just checking, Although I forget I think we had
Speaker 5: this conversation before. I don't think deer hunter yet qualified.
Speaker 5: I think I think it's or was there something that's
Speaker 5: a great move. It's a great movie. But it's a
Speaker 5: great movie. Huh, it's a great movie.
Speaker 3: It is it is.
Speaker 5: It'd be great to be able to have that on
Speaker 5: the list.
Speaker 14: Uh So, I mean, can we call sids run the
Speaker 14: rut because he's also competing for dough.
Speaker 5: I mean, wrestlers are always competing for you.
Speaker 14: It's not a run terry, it's a rut broiler. He
Speaker 14: doesn't like that at all, exactly. Low this the fuck down?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that he's nervous.
Speaker 14: Now when they we're talking about you know, canvas back ducks,
Speaker 14: teals and Canadian geese, I'm thinking, yes, any of other
Speaker 14: any other of Cody's siblings in there besides this teal.
Speaker 14: I don't know why only she got the invite.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what happens the uh when he got
Speaker 5: ten ft away, that's when I heard. Really, I didn't
Speaker 5: have a choice. It was either shoot or climb up
Speaker 5: a tree. Yeah, I know it's what he's doing. Yeah, God,
Speaker 5: he climbed up the tree. He's gonna he's gonna fucking
Speaker 5: break his leg in half. Sid leveled his gun with
Speaker 5: steady hands and calm breathing. He pulled the trigger. It
Speaker 5: was an excellent shot. Sid says. The animal crashed to
Speaker 5: the ground and a thud. When he retrieved the animal,
Speaker 5: he saw just what a prize he had. It was
Speaker 5: a ten point winner and huge. When I dressed him out,
Speaker 5: that's cleaning the animals, enterds and some bones. It weighed
Speaker 5: three hundred ninety pounds. That's more than our way, said,
Speaker 5: says he bagged this beauty at Little Twisted Game Reserve
Speaker 5: in northern Mississippi. The owner of the private land hunting retreat,
Speaker 5: Howard Brent, told Sid that the buck was one of
Speaker 5: the biggest ever harvested there in the last five years.
Speaker 14: God said, that's got to be one of the biggest
Speaker 14: bucks I've ever seen hunted.
Speaker 5: Oh God, now, hey see it. I just took to
Speaker 5: tell you, man, Wow. Now I've seen people harvesting bucks
Speaker 5: all you know, for for decades. That has got to
Speaker 5: be the biggest damn buck I've ever seen harvest.
Speaker 14: I mean, Howard, I'm counting this thing. I mean, I
Speaker 14: don't think we've got a big enough table. I mean,
Speaker 14: I've seen some bucks laid down on our table before,
Speaker 14: but this is on a whole other level.
Speaker 5: Man. I don't. I'll tell you said. You said, you
Speaker 5: can't bring that here. You can't. No, you're gotta bring
Speaker 5: that someplace else.
Speaker 2: I don't know what.
Speaker 5: I don't want to tell you. I can't. I don't
Speaker 5: have space for it. What do you mean you have
Speaker 5: the space for it? I don't have. Look, I don't listen.
Speaker 5: I can tell you right now that that is going
Speaker 5: to be a stray buck. I don't. I don't grow
Speaker 5: bucks that big. Now, we we do, we do, we
Speaker 5: do medium size, not this fucking big ass ship. What
Speaker 5: do you want me to do with that? I want
Speaker 5: you to do what you gotta do to clean the
Speaker 5: sun of bits exactly. I said I don't have the
Speaker 5: space for it, and you know what said I don't
Speaker 5: want the space either. But this is horrifying. Oh my god.
Speaker 5: I said, you're you're killing You're killing deer on my land.
Speaker 5: That's the whole idea. How you told me that's what
Speaker 5: you have here. You said that that is what's going
Speaker 5: on here, that this is land specifically designed and registered
Speaker 5: for harvesting animal. Uh, well, well, take a look at
Speaker 5: this beauty. I mean, that's what I call a trophy.
Speaker 5: This one's a king in the Woods said, I mean,
Speaker 5: I must have taken a lot of patience to get him.
Speaker 5: Been watching him for seasons, said said, we don't have
Speaker 5: We don't kill animals here, we harvest them.
Speaker 10: Mhm.
Speaker 5: Let me ask you a question. What does that mean
Speaker 5: when you put a bliss fucking meme? Said, we don't
Speaker 5: we don't murder. We don't murder animal life here. This
Speaker 5: is a place of nature, is a place of God. No, look,
Speaker 5: let me speaking of witch. Wait, let me ask you
Speaker 5: a question. Wait, when you shot this thing, did it
Speaker 5: do like three or four summersaults? I'd say, yes, it did,
Speaker 5: And my god, I'd say, we got a young buck
Speaker 5: right here, said just let me ask them here after
Speaker 5: you shot it, did you notice it kind of engage
Speaker 5: in a in a in a in a party of
Speaker 5: super kicks with a lace three about kicking people in
Speaker 5: the face? This was wow, said you're under a rest
Speaker 5: for killing a young buck. Matter, Nick, how long you been?
Speaker 5: How long have you been tracking him? Said I've been
Speaker 5: tracking him in my mind for five years?
Speaker 14: Smart old buck too, wasn't he who ever trick in
Speaker 14: the book to keep out of sight? From what I
Speaker 14: can tell, how did patients pay off in the end.
Speaker 16: See it.
Speaker 5: I don't have patience. I get it done, just like you.
Speaker 3: Got Howard Brent.
Speaker 5: This one's gonna make a great story. That didn't even
Speaker 5: better Mount.
Speaker 3: Harding the mount your head, hold my fucking wall.
Speaker 14: He's trying his best to sound happy for Sid, so
Speaker 14: he doesn't go down this road, but he knows he's
Speaker 14: going to. He knows he's start threatening him. There's gonna
Speaker 14: be something that dissatisfies Sid, and at that point all
Speaker 14: bets are.
Speaker 5: Off, said listen, I said, I didn't mean a fan,
Speaker 5: all right, I did not mean a fan. Let's can
Speaker 5: we let bygones be bygones? Please?
Speaker 3: Shut You don't determine bygones, you bitch.
Speaker 5: There's the quote, you don't determine bygones, you bitch.
Speaker 14: That's awesome. I cherished that one more than anything said
Speaker 14: has said this whole series. You don't determine bygones. That
Speaker 14: think of the utility that that phrase has across everything.
Speaker 14: You don't determined by like exactly like okay, I'll let
Speaker 14: bygones be bygones, but you don't decide what's meant by bygones?
Speaker 5: Power I did.
Speaker 3: It's right, you don't determine so.
Speaker 14: Long as I decide what bygones are, yes, I am
Speaker 14: very willing to let bygones be bygones.
Speaker 5: Oh Man, Little twists, it ads, Little twists it Ads
Speaker 5: is one of the premier locations for waterfowl hunting. Ducks
Speaker 5: and geese are migratory birds protected under the United States
Speaker 5: Federal law. Little Twist Game Reserve is located in the
Speaker 5: migratory flyways for these birds, and it isn't uncommon to
Speaker 5: see thousands fly overhead at any given time. When deer
Speaker 5: season ends, you can find Sid and his son and
Speaker 5: their duck blinds waiting for their choice game to fly
Speaker 5: into range. Just sit is just everywhere with an arsenal
Speaker 5: of weapons.
Speaker 14: Just make sure when they fly into range that you
Speaker 14: catch them so they don't break their ankle on the
Speaker 14: descent to the floor.
Speaker 5: Like every ethical hunter, Sid values the role of conservation
Speaker 5: at conservation officer and conservation of what exactly. Officers and
Speaker 5: biologists are these sportsmen's best friends. The rules and regulations
Speaker 5: of hunting aren't determined by conservation officers and biologists. They're
Speaker 5: the guys who conduct studies on the animals and figure
Speaker 5: out how certain populations of certain species are overpopulated. Is
Speaker 5: also great to be in the woods and I see
Speaker 5: all the animals I can't hunt, such as owls, eagles,
Speaker 5: and songbirds. That's being at one with nature. That's what
Speaker 5: hunting is really about. I love the idea that they
Speaker 5: have this. You know, you know, God forbid that there
Speaker 5: come a time where some some being higher on the
Speaker 5: food chaine of sides. You know what I want to
Speaker 5: tell you, Some of these humans are overpopulating in the earth.
Speaker 5: I think we're gonna kind of make some reservations where
Speaker 5: we can hunt them, kind of tone things down a
Speaker 5: little bit. How we feel about that? Out of hand?
Speaker 5: It really is all these humans getting out of hand.
Speaker 5: Got to fucking cut them down.
Speaker 14: I think the owls and eagles and songbirds have gotten
Speaker 14: the memo that they're not going to be hunted. Do
Speaker 14: you think they kind of just like flaunted.
Speaker 5: Oh, I'm sure that they do. I'm sure that they're
Speaker 5: completely aware.
Speaker 14: Oh my god, Like how foolish he looks with that
Speaker 14: big bass he cut. He looks like such an idy teenager.
Speaker 14: That's what he wants to do, man, he's a country boy.
Speaker 14: He wants to go home, tend the farm and hunt
Speaker 14: and softball. It does not take a lot to get
Speaker 14: his mind to turn to all right, how do I
Speaker 14: find a way to do an Irish exit here and
Speaker 14: disappear without anyone even noticing I was leaving?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 14: That's always the way, And I'd like for Sid, you know,
Speaker 14: David Letterman style here Top ten Psycho Sid's Hunter's tips
Speaker 14: for safety.
Speaker 5: They do them in order here or go backwards. I
Speaker 5: guess they're in no particular order, so I don't know.
Speaker 5: Always hunt with your parents or relatives who've been in
Speaker 5: the woods a lot. What if I want to hunt
Speaker 5: and I have no parents, relatives I've ever hunted before.
Speaker 5: I think what he's saying is, then you can't hunt.
Speaker 5: I guess. Number two. Always keep your gun on safety
Speaker 5: even when you're shooting at bucks. Three, Never run with
Speaker 5: a gun, even with a safety mechanism activated. Number four,
Speaker 5: Be sure what you're shooting at and what's beyond your target.
Speaker 5: Five When in doubt, don't shoot brother? Yo, Yo, Sid?
Speaker 5: What's up? Brother? WHOA? I just want to you know,
Speaker 5: Si his brother? What's going on?
Speaker 6: Dude?
Speaker 5: Big says dude. We graduate you on winning the strip. Brother.
Speaker 5: That's really awesome, Bro, I saw it. I was watching,
Speaker 5: you know, brother, I was watching the Survivor series.
Speaker 17: Dude.
Speaker 5: You guys you know you did. You did really fucking
Speaker 5: great in the gizzard and day we're giving you guys
Speaker 5: a run for your money over here.
Speaker 2: Brother.
Speaker 5: But I tell you what, when I saw them strap
Speaker 5: you up, brother, I thought, oh, man, we got some
Speaker 5: real strong counter winds coming in. Brother. Like, I was like,
Speaker 5: oh ship, you know we got You know, I've always said,
Speaker 5: you look, you can make a bunch of little mistakes too,
Speaker 5: but you can only make a few big ones, brother,
Speaker 5: And I think we made a big mistake by allowing
Speaker 5: them to put the strap on YouTube. I'm telling you what.
Speaker 16: Brother.
Speaker 14: So I'm at the grocery store, dude, and I see
Speaker 14: this this WWF magazine, the Spotlight gimmick on the on
Speaker 14: the newsstands. Brother, and I opened it up, and I'm fumbing, dude.
Speaker 14: You know, I just want to you know, I just
Speaker 14: I just you know, my monster to get in a little.
Speaker 14: I was like, wow, dude, this guy is very well spoken.
Speaker 14: You know, nice little stories there about Sid kind of
Speaker 14: getting some of that background.
Speaker 5: Dude. I'm wandering, dude, you know you kind of lossen
Speaker 5: this especially intrigued Browner, by those by those you know
Speaker 5: your your safety tips are hunting in big fan, And
Speaker 5: I just want to say, you know, number five dude
Speaker 5: really kind of caught my attention, and I was wondering
Speaker 5: if you could kind of elaborate on that. Dude he said,
Speaker 5: he said, when in doubt, don't shoot? What do you
Speaker 5: mean by that?
Speaker 6: Brother?
Speaker 14: I love how long it takes him to get to
Speaker 14: the question. The preamble is like it's too much. He
Speaker 14: thinks he can couches his paranoia.
Speaker 5: He thinks he can. Yeah, yeah, he thinks you won't notice,
Speaker 5: right exactly exactly. I mean, you don't shoot? Like where
Speaker 5: you're thinking about shooting?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 5: Is who you like?
Speaker 2: Are you?
Speaker 5: Are you like in a shoot? Dude?
Speaker 15: Are you like?
Speaker 5: Well? Brother? You know this has gone from work to
Speaker 5: a shoot? Like, what's you know? Where are you at
Speaker 5: with that? Brother? What's your what's your you know? Dude, Like,
Speaker 5: what's your what's your kind of mentality on that?
Speaker 28: Dude?
Speaker 5: It's your angle? I mean, you're the big dog over
Speaker 5: there now, brother. You know we're battling company company. Listen, Dude,
Speaker 5: I want to tell you something. You know, I've been
Speaker 5: the big dog over there, brother, I've been a big
Speaker 5: dog on that big company up north. I kind of
Speaker 5: I get what you're talking about, dude, Like you got
Speaker 5: people kind of coming for you at all angles. Brother,
Speaker 5: I just want to I want to ask you you
Speaker 5: put that in there, dude? Are you saying that? Like,
Speaker 5: are you advising people like not to shoot on me?
Speaker 5: I mean I read number four, brother, and I was like,
Speaker 5: that could have RAMI vacation for Hull Hogan as well.
Speaker 5: You know what You're Yeah, dude, I was like, I'm
Speaker 5: reading the whole thing, and I'm like, you know, be
Speaker 5: sure what you're shooting at and what's beyond your target? Dude.
Speaker 5: And I'm like, well, wait, wait a minute. You know
Speaker 5: he is he's like got the championship brothers Now, he's
Speaker 5: he's gonna go after whole Coogan. Am I beyond the target?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 5: Am I? Beyond the target?
Speaker 2: Brother?
Speaker 17: Am I?
Speaker 5: Am? I? What's what's next? Dude? Like, I'm just trying
Speaker 5: to get listen. I'm not trying to I'm not trying
Speaker 5: to accuse you of anything, dude. I just want to
Speaker 5: get all our ducks in a row, all right, brother. So,
Speaker 5: So I just want to you know, like what I
Speaker 5: just got. I just want to I guess here, here's
Speaker 5: my question, Dude, are you coming for my tour? You
Speaker 5: don't study?
Speaker 14: Because last time our paths cross? Brother, All of a sudden,
Speaker 14: I'm looking I'm looking up from the floor at Almondy
Speaker 14: in New York, and and I gotta wonder if the
Speaker 14: rugs being pulled out from under me.
Speaker 5: Dude, not I read this, I'm saying myself. You know,
Speaker 5: is this where they're pulling the trigger on on hul
Speaker 5: Cogan too? Yeah? I'm just you know, I'm over here
Speaker 5: happy for you. Are everything's done? You've been talking to
Speaker 5: Bishoff dude, right like? Are you are you going to
Speaker 5: be Hollywood Hogan too?
Speaker 16: Like?
Speaker 5: Are you gonna be Hollywood sit or something?
Speaker 29: Brother?
Speaker 14: To talk to Eric before putting this top ten list together? Brother,
Speaker 14: I mean, it's just like a shot at hold Hoagan.
Speaker 5: Was just you know, be all you know, d you
Speaker 5: don't don't feel obtimated to, like, you know, tell me
Speaker 5: something that you don't feel comfort to telling me. But
Speaker 5: I'm just curious, dude, was it Eric's idea to put
Speaker 5: this top ten list in there in the Spotlight magazine? Dude?
Speaker 5: Was it Erics? Did Eric say we want to bring
Speaker 5: you over be Hull COVID right and do it? Eric,
Speaker 5: say that you're the third guy and you're already been
Speaker 5: the third guy. Brother, And does he want like a big,
Speaker 5: you know, double truck spread on how good you are
Speaker 5: at shooting? Brother as send a message? I mean, is
Speaker 5: he kind of get an idea of like how will you?
Speaker 15: Like?
Speaker 5: I just got to know, dude, what's your angle? Right?
Speaker 14: I'm reading this You're so happy for your brother. I'm
Speaker 14: reading all this great coverage, all these cool photos of
Speaker 14: all the things we were working together that's in there.
Speaker 14: That was great to see, brother, And then I get
Speaker 14: to this article about how good of a shooter you
Speaker 14: are and I'm like whoa.
Speaker 5: Like whoa? I'm like, dude, I don't know about to
Speaker 5: said dude, Like who do I put my trust in?
Speaker 14: Just earlier in the same magazine, Brother, you're talking about
Speaker 14: how I was never the same after we met at
Speaker 14: Russell Lani, your brother, and I get that this you
Speaker 14: know the wiz erk, right, it's a wiz erk, But
Speaker 14: I don't know. I get to this article and I
Speaker 14: got to wonder, like is this subliminal?
Speaker 5: Brother, Like, like are you I mean, I basically what
Speaker 5: I'm trying to say is, are you like, is this
Speaker 5: like subliminal messaging? Dude? Are you warning me? Brother? Are
Speaker 5: you saying hey, you know hall because time to look out,
Speaker 5: dudecause I'm coming for your ass. I'm right now You're
Speaker 5: gonna roll me up right exactly? Answer the question, Go ahead,
Speaker 5: answer it. I'm also a little concert you haven't re
Speaker 5: applied to anything I said. He's kind of standing there
Speaker 5: with a blank stare where you're your your white baseball
Speaker 5: at Dude, I'm just starting to get an idea of
Speaker 5: where we're at, you know, in terms of I mean you.
Speaker 14: Understand right said, you can't blame me for for having
Speaker 14: to like, you know, cross this this dot this iron
Speaker 14: crosses t brother. I mean, if this article came out,
Speaker 14: I want to.
Speaker 5: Say you it's nothing personally gets you, dude on emphasize
Speaker 5: came out. I just got to know, brother, are you
Speaker 5: trying to take me down? Exactly? Brother? I mean, if
Speaker 5: w W magazine came out with an article about how
Speaker 5: I like to shoot and how I went in doubt,
Speaker 5: don't shoot, brother, I mean, you would be within your
Speaker 5: rights as the champion in New York to call me.
Speaker 5: I would expect you to feel the need to call
Speaker 5: me and say, hey, you know, you know Hawk, what's
Speaker 5: going on to you? You're shooting on me? Shooting I said, no, dude,
Speaker 5: I'm not shooting on you. Brother, I'm not a magazine piece.
Speaker 5: I have nothing to do with that.
Speaker 14: And that's what I would say to you. Brother, full
Speaker 14: of much them but love, dude. Yet I'm not getting
Speaker 14: that from you yet.
Speaker 16: Brother.
Speaker 5: I'm I'm kind of feeling like you're you're hesitating game,
Speaker 5: like we're not really on the same page with this, brother,
Speaker 5: And I just want to know what your intention is, dude,
Speaker 5: Like how far do you how far are you going
Speaker 5: with this shooting thing? Like what's the end game?
Speaker 26: Brother?
Speaker 14: He doesn't take the hint and said his nut said
Speaker 14: a word. He just keeps filling the silence with more questions.
Speaker 16: Like.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna look if it, If it's good, it's gonna
Speaker 5: keep you from from like coming at me. Dude, We'll
Speaker 5: give you the dose. Still be about white now, brother?
Speaker 5: All right?
Speaker 14: I mean I'm sitting here and I'm reading about how
Speaker 14: you had this three hundred and three pounds buck charging
Speaker 14: at you and that you shot on it. You shot
Speaker 14: on him, dude, am I not supposed to read? Are you?
Speaker 14: Am I a buck in your shot? Is this literal, brother,
Speaker 14: or is this allegory? Like I just I'm trying to
Speaker 14: figure out what the metaphor is here, dude, because I
Speaker 14: don't just think this article appeared drop out of the sky.
Speaker 14: Brother is a human interest piece. You don't bullshit a
Speaker 14: bullshit her brother, You don't work a worker.
Speaker 5: I just got no dude, what's the dis mhm?
Speaker 14: I mean you're silent to speaking volumes. Dude, I gotta
Speaker 14: tell you, brother, you're not making me feel any better
Speaker 14: about the gimmick.
Speaker 16: I what.
Speaker 5: Mh the fact that I said what you didn't respond?
Speaker 5: I'm and I can still see her on the line.
Speaker 5: We didn't get disconnected. I can hear. I can hear
Speaker 5: your breathing. Brother, I ever heard said, let me ask
Speaker 5: you this brother, your court in this call? What a
Speaker 5: sharp detour? What he's worried about? And then there's a click,
Speaker 5: h are you.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm?
Speaker 17: You sent my church a case of being sausages and
Speaker 17: I send him an autograph picture.
Speaker 5: I didn't get a picture.
Speaker 17: Brother said, listen, my church, it's a case of the
Speaker 17: and a sausage and I send him an autograph picture.
Speaker 5: What else is on the top ten list? Yeah? At
Speaker 5: number six, respect and clean the land on which you hunt.
Speaker 5: Number seven, always retrieve any game you shoot. Number eight.
Speaker 5: Respect others in the woods, such as hikers and others.
Speaker 5: It's for them to Number nine never harvests more than
Speaker 5: a legal limit. Number ten, learn how to cook game.
Speaker 5: It tastes great, and his lone fat and his family
Speaker 5: fun well, fucking psycho literally.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that actually makes me more scared of him than
Speaker 14: anything they ever did on television.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 14: And finally we go to his peers. These are others
Speaker 14: around the federation, ask to weigh in on what makes
Speaker 14: Sid sid? First up, crush three words? Make Sid a
Speaker 14: great champion, bred a strong, impressive, and psychotic. But he
Speaker 14: will only have the title until I get to him. Okay,
Speaker 14: Brian Adams, Okay, okay, first champion in w FI history
Speaker 14: to have a nose ring running into his ear, and
Speaker 14: then we will see just how strong his heart is.
Speaker 14: How about the goon? What does the goon have to say?
Speaker 5: Psycho?
Speaker 14: Sid will go a heck of a long way. And
Speaker 14: there weren't Wrestling Federation farther than that, sissy boy. We
Speaker 14: had as a champion before him. But hey, I wouldn't
Speaker 14: mind whacking that paranoid brain of his back in place
Speaker 14: with my hockey stick if given the chance. Savio, Sid
Speaker 14: is a great chump because the men try like a
Speaker 14: machine every day. Im Eagle, He's had the hunger inside
Speaker 14: of him for a long time and it's going to
Speaker 14: be hard to get that belt away from him. Shabbia Bubble,
Speaker 14: jjse James. I don't think Sid is going to go
Speaker 14: very far as a champion. It was a fluke that
Speaker 14: he beat someone with the caliber Shawn Michaels in the
Speaker 14: first place. Billy Gunn. He's got the.
Speaker 5: Size and the skill, but does he truly have the
Speaker 5: talent that I have without a doubt? No why.
Speaker 14: I don't care what these other idiots think, But once
Speaker 14: Sid stops running and gives me a match, he is
Speaker 14: as good as roped cattle in my book. Jake Roberts Boss.
Speaker 5: I was surprised Sid won the belt, not down his skills,
Speaker 5: but I was amazed he could actually beat Sean. As
Speaker 5: far as whether he will be a great champion, it
Speaker 5: just depends on who you match up with. Who you
Speaker 5: match him up with. A champion is only as good
Speaker 5: as the many faces.
Speaker 14: If Cassidy, only any living man can beat said in
Speaker 14: the long run, except me, Without a doubt, it won't
Speaker 14: be long before I boogy all over his thick skull
Speaker 14: and shine at that nice piece of gold to mount
Speaker 14: on the dashboard of the rockermobile. Don't digressed, No, really,
Speaker 14: you could care less if Sid is a great champion
Speaker 14: or not. If I got a shot against me Da,
Speaker 14: I'm sure won't be holding on that belt very low
Speaker 14: on Hurst Helmsley as far as I'm concerned. As far
Speaker 14: as I'm concerned, Sid go lucky.
Speaker 5: I can't even do his fucking his his idiotic voice.
Speaker 5: He's like in ninety six.
Speaker 14: We would like did a Hampshire accent, still kind of
Speaker 14: creeping in just.
Speaker 5: A little bit, and his voice is like so like
Speaker 5: it's just very weird. It's very weird. It is. It
Speaker 5: doesn't have the base in it yet. Yeah. At the
Speaker 5: Survivor series against Sean Michaels, I don't see him being
Speaker 5: a champion very long due to his mental instability. The
Speaker 5: man should have remained locked up in that sell of
Speaker 5: his far away from civil human beings like myself, Mark Merrow,
Speaker 5: you know the very first time I saw said, I
Speaker 5: said to myself, this guy is going to be a
Speaker 5: champion somewhere down the road. I guess I'm not too
Speaker 5: surprised that he beats Sean. But Sid's worst enemy in
Speaker 5: the long run will be himself. Don't get me wrong, though,
Speaker 5: He's the man to beat now jb Al Sid is
Speaker 5: one of the greatest athletic talents our sport has ever seen.
Speaker 5: In the past decade, Sean was great as a champion.
Speaker 5: When you look at Sid, you see a man who
Speaker 5: is almost seven feet tall and more than three hundred pounds.
Speaker 14: Yes, you do, that's true. I've heard that that is
Speaker 14: a major force to reckon with. Boy, we heard from mankind,
Speaker 14: he says. Psycho said, can go straight to some place
Speaker 14: he belongs. Okay, you see, Uncle Paul has alerted me
Speaker 14: to look into Sid's eyes, and do.
Speaker 5: You know what I see? Fear? That shows me that
Speaker 5: he's not that crazy. After all, He's got the most
Speaker 5: common sense to fear mankind as well. He should.
Speaker 14: Flash Funk says that I was smoking big fucking hash
Speaker 14: and that Sid will go a long way as World
Speaker 14: Wrestling Federation champion because he is a big man with
Speaker 14: big skills, just like a lot of people say, the
Speaker 14: man is psycho and that's a tough thing to deal
Speaker 14: with in the ring. You never know what that boy
Speaker 14: is going to do to hold on to that belt.
Speaker 14: Garry Lawler says, I'm sure all the inmates back at
Speaker 14: the Looney Band we're proud of that stupid head case.
Speaker 14: He's got the physical skills, but he obviously needs a
Speaker 14: check up from the neck up.
Speaker 5: I'm at Johnson, that's awful.
Speaker 14: I'm at Johnson thinks Sid winning the title was something
Speaker 14: that was long overdue and that he's gonna go a
Speaker 14: long way because I really can't see anyone stepping up
Speaker 14: to the plate to beat him except me when I
Speaker 14: get the chance. And we hear from Bart Gunn okay,
Speaker 14: we've been waiting for. Sid's got quite a powerful man
Speaker 14: in my book, partner. He's big, tall, and athletic, a
Speaker 14: complete package. I don't see anyone beating him and win
Speaker 14: the Federation and win the Federation title. I just see
Speaker 14: him getting confidence and going stronger as time goes on.
Speaker 14: Sonny thinks Sid is going to be a perfect champion
Speaker 14: and the word Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 5: Honey.
Speaker 14: Not only does he have the size to be a
Speaker 14: great champion. But he's insane, she would know. After all,
Speaker 14: we are in a land of giants, she says, And
Speaker 14: he's got that attitude you need to win at all costs.
Speaker 14: And hey, you never know what could happen in the
Speaker 14: future between him and me, Babe. Maybe Sunny could be
Speaker 14: ringside for his matches, always recruiting someone with a gold
Speaker 14: I know, right heart, I never saw an eye with
Speaker 14: Sewn Michaels, but I was disappointed all to see his
Speaker 14: reign end like that against Psycho Sid. It's a sad
Speaker 14: state of affairs. A world champion whos worked as hard
Speaker 14: as Sean has can be whacked over the head with
Speaker 14: a camera and power bombed into the mat to lose
Speaker 14: his title. If I were Sid, I would have never
Speaker 14: kept the title. I would have been ashamed to have
Speaker 14: wont it the way he did. Of course, you would
Speaker 14: have mean while he goes on to win titles like that,
Speaker 14: that's SummerSlam in ninety seven. Rocky by via Sid is
Speaker 14: the champion. It's as simple as that. Thanks Rocky, with
Speaker 14: the World Wrestling Federation title around his ways, it tells
Speaker 14: me that he's going to take someone with a lot
Speaker 14: of experience to take a big body like his down
Speaker 14: for the three count. Hopefully I get that chance somewhere
Speaker 14: down the road.
Speaker 5: I'll not with him. So there you go.
Speaker 14: In house propaganda as it regards Sid the Spotlight pages
Speaker 14: as World Wrestling Federation Champion, it's the cid Era, boss,
Speaker 14: it is, and we can't we can't talk around it.
Speaker 14: It is the cid Era that magazine giving us a
Speaker 14: look at all kinds of components of the man. After
Speaker 14: Survivor Series on television, Vince doing commentary calls Sid unquestionably
Speaker 14: the most intense man to ever wear the title, and
Speaker 14: Vince and pettent Gil really that's what he says.
Speaker 5: Yeah, really.
Speaker 14: On this clip, Vince and Petton Gill are going on
Speaker 14: and on about how Shawn Michaels put compassion for his
Speaker 14: true friend beyond his title ambitions by caring for Jose
Speaker 14: Lothario and that critical moment during the Survivor Series match
Speaker 14: when Lothario had been hit by Sid and Sean took
Speaker 14: his eye off the ball to make sure Lothario was okay.
Speaker 14: And here is Sid speaking for the first time is
Speaker 14: WWF Champion on WWF television, giving his take on how
Speaker 14: to interpret all of that.
Speaker 4: It's about lad and Tillman.
Speaker 30: Why you're playing in the world US played veneration Champion.
Speaker 21: What if the manage last night, albeit controversial, you have
Speaker 21: thousands upon thousands of fans and medicines Square Garden that
Speaker 21: were cheering you on a lot of folks that it
Speaker 21: can never happen that you were too unstable, but that
Speaker 21: was not the case.
Speaker 4: You are of the Man.
Speaker 2: It is your time.
Speaker 4: But do you have any remorse.
Speaker 21: Over your accents last night as it relates to Sean
Speaker 21: Michaels or the sixty two year old Josela Thario.
Speaker 3: I got to say no.
Speaker 11: The reason why that's because JOSEI I made I have
Speaker 11: played respect for but you put your ass.
Speaker 30: On the apron and then you even came for the game.
Speaker 6: And then when you.
Speaker 11: Play the game with the Man, they only the three
Speaker 11: can't count with that?
Speaker 2: Yes, what of the Michaels.
Speaker 13: What about a rematch with a heartbreak kid?
Speaker 19: Yeah, heartbreak kin. You want a rematch, you got it.
Speaker 11: I'll beat you once and then that time I'll beat
Speaker 11: you again because I am.
Speaker 20: Because I am the man, will I am the master.
Speaker 3: And the ruler of the world.
Speaker 21: Seventy superstars are lining up to challenge you. Vader song Co,
Speaker 21: Steve Austin, the Undertaker, and on December fifteenth, the legendary
Speaker 21: Britt the Hitman Heart.
Speaker 30: We'll go hold on round with here, Wwrcyle.
Speaker 4: Are you going to be a fighting champion?
Speaker 2: I'll tell you something.
Speaker 11: I was dever o'clock to wrestle again. Beat me, Boll
Speaker 11: called me back. Stephen Bieball made me and Jef ben
Speaker 11: be for the baseball. I will be my fighting jafman.
Speaker 5: Who have hurt out.
Speaker 21: Brett Hart specifically, he's looking to Rigga the ww.
Speaker 30: A Poddle for the fourth time.
Speaker 16: Brett, my friend, you're trying to make comportunity. You're trying
Speaker 16: to make retiputation to going.
Speaker 3: Through this store.
Speaker 11: Will you wrestling come back in the Wrestling World Wrestling
Speaker 11: Federation will end like that on December fifteenth, because you
Speaker 11: have to face me, Britain Man, hit Man, Brickman.
Speaker 5: You have to face me.
Speaker 4: The Master.
Speaker 16: The game is simple, my friend. Two minutes there, one
Speaker 16: man survives the Decemblar system. When the snow clears, I
Speaker 16: will be standing firm the Master, and I am a ruler.
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Speaker 5: So yeah, hardly a home run there, No, not at all.
Speaker 5: That was a awful Remember what.
Speaker 14: Jim Cornette said, It wrings in our head right why
Speaker 14: he had to be paired with Million Dollar Man because
Speaker 14: right beyond delivering an explosive one minute of xatives, so
Speaker 14: to speak, Sid really can't remember everything he's supposed to
Speaker 14: hit on the promos, the data, Michelle, the opponent, he
Speaker 14: says master and Ruler of the world twice. It's not
Speaker 14: the kind of promo you hope to hear from a
Speaker 14: guy who just won the world title for the first time, right,
Speaker 14: not at all. We're on this track and they're setting
Speaker 14: up the Royal Rumble, which of course was in January
Speaker 14: of nineteen ninety seven at the Alamo Dome in San Antonio, Texas.
Speaker 14: Very ambitious venue for the WWF to run for a rumble,
Speaker 14: especially in this time period where they were struggling, especially VISAVWCW,
Speaker 14: but the whole attraction to Sean Michaels. The San Antonio
Speaker 14: boy is going to get his rematch against Sid if
Speaker 14: Sid emerges from the title match against Brett Hart at
Speaker 14: the its time in your House as champion. They had
Speaker 14: kind of a tough time kind of basically telling San
Speaker 14: Antonio that they were going to get Sean getting revenge
Speaker 14: on Sid without right right for running the result of
Speaker 14: the Brett match. So they're threading that needle carefully through
Speaker 14: the winter of nineteen ninety six. But that's already in place.
Speaker 14: The venue is booked and they got to start moving tickets.
Speaker 14: They've got to start convincing people that this is going
Speaker 14: to be a big homecoming and a big thing to
Speaker 14: be there for to see Shawn Michaels achieve. So they
Speaker 14: set up a big old press conference in San Antonio
Speaker 14: and you know, the Alamo theme is there. They introduce
Speaker 14: a lot of the Triple A wrestlers. Remember in that
Speaker 14: rumble Boss, they brought in a lot of lootra doors.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 5: I remember, not a fan, but I remember.
Speaker 14: Forged a promotional alliance hopefully to get a little bit
Speaker 14: of the you know, the Mexican fans to cross over
Speaker 14: and come to the show and help fill the building up,
Speaker 14: get some some buzz going on on Mexican wrestling television
Speaker 14: as well as their own television network for the show,
Speaker 14: and that all starts to blossom. And of course the
Speaker 14: dais is there for Sewn and Sid to carry on
Speaker 14: and to get people fired up for the show. Problem
Speaker 14: is Brett's there as well, of course, because he's got
Speaker 14: to keep open the possibility that he's going to go
Speaker 14: into the the Royal Rumble show is Champion. But missing
Speaker 14: from the day, missing from the press conference for the
Speaker 14: nineteen ninety seven Royal.
Speaker 5: Rumble was Sid. Oh thank god.
Speaker 14: They play this package on their television show about how
Speaker 14: huge this press conference was and how impactful it is
Speaker 14: and how Sean's going to get a shot at the
Speaker 14: championship against whoever may be the champion, And the champion
Speaker 14: isn't there, and you might ask yourself, what kind of
Speaker 14: game is he playing? We've seen this from Sid, we
Speaker 14: studied his career thus far. Yes, or, according to Bruce Pritchard,
Speaker 14: who was in the front office at the time, the
Speaker 14: reason for Sid's absence much more prosaic.
Speaker 25: Well, he overslept.
Speaker 4: And that was that was it.
Speaker 25: It was like what's the big deal. It's a press conference.
Speaker 31: Well, we had done TV in the next day, myself, Vince, Sean,
Speaker 31: I think the marketing people were already there. But we
Speaker 31: all get on the plane in Hartford and looking around
Speaker 31: and I'm saying, where the hell Sid?
Speaker 25: There's no Sid. We're trying to find out, were you
Speaker 25: s SID? Last night?
Speaker 31: It's like no, And a couple of the boys were
Speaker 31: in the airport and I'm asking, I'm going down the
Speaker 31: aisle asking anybody anybody's seen Sid. Didn't see him? Didn't
Speaker 31: see him? Very uncharacteristic for Sid. Well, we get on
Speaker 31: the plane. We're calling all the hotels in the area.
Speaker 25: No Sid.
Speaker 31: We all three get on the plane, myself, Vince, and Sean,
Speaker 31: and we go down for this huge press conference. Man,
Speaker 31: we had this square in downtown San Antonio, this beautiful
Speaker 31: Spanish square, all rented out to make the announcement of
Speaker 31: Shawn Michaels, you know, coming home and all this bullshit.
Speaker 25: He's gonna face Psycho Sid and no world champion.
Speaker 31: And finally Vince gets a hold of him around noon
Speaker 31: one o'clock and he just was like, I guess I overslept.
Speaker 25: I guess so Vince was pretty fucking pissed, to say
Speaker 25: the very least.
Speaker 31: And we we had Antonio Pena from Triple A and
Speaker 31: a lot of the Triple A guys there.
Speaker 25: We made it work.
Speaker 31: But if you'd imagine today the champion no showing a
Speaker 31: major press conference for a.
Speaker 25: Major pay per view, it just wouldn't happen.
Speaker 31: And that was when Vince was kind of like, well,
Speaker 31: only a little while longer than he's going to be
Speaker 31: in that position, and.
Speaker 25: Bit the bullet and we moved on.
Speaker 31: But that was a major fuck up, and that was
Speaker 31: one that kind of stuck in Vince's craws for a
Speaker 31: while because Seawan was had been out. Sean stayed up
Speaker 31: all night long with Austin and they had been drinking
Speaker 31: all night, and Sean was showed up, had been drinking
Speaker 31: all night, pretty fucked up, got on the plane and
Speaker 31: he made it. But yet, you know, Sid, the guy
Speaker 31: that doesn't go out and party, the guy that is,
Speaker 31: you know, mister reliable, no shows and can't be found
Speaker 31: and just thinks it's okay to say I overslept.
Speaker 25: It was just a press conference. So that was again
Speaker 25: one of those beginning of the ends in a lot
Speaker 25: of respects.
Speaker 5: I can't imagine why Sid never got his Just do boss, Yeah,
Speaker 5: I know, right, unbelievable. Why do not get that six
Speaker 5: month run? Well, well, Pallyannoi, you did oversleep the.
Speaker 3: That doesn't matter.
Speaker 5: It kind of doesn't matter. I mean, you know, we
Speaker 5: have we have the shot exactly exactly the shat you
Speaker 5: think that works on everybody and on everything. He thinks
Speaker 5: it works. Of course Coruly does.
Speaker 14: So they're trying to get tickets sold for this rumble
Speaker 14: and they don't have a champ there. You know, Bruce,
Speaker 14: I think is kind of putting the card before the
Speaker 14: horse a bit one, suggesting that they were announcing Sid
Speaker 14: and Sean because they still have the the It's time
Speaker 14: thing to get through with. But in the NAPTI Convention,
Speaker 14: the National Association of Television Producers, where you know, you know,
Speaker 14: Vince would always set up a booth and Breck would
Speaker 14: set up a booth, and they would have this big
Speaker 14: show for television to sell their television ad time, mostly
Speaker 14: in syndicated side. Sid apparently was there representing the WWBF.
Speaker 14: This took place, according to the records I could find,
Speaker 14: on January fourteenth of the fifteenth, nineteen ninety seven in
Speaker 14: New Orleans, Louisiana. Sid calls out the NAPTI convention in
Speaker 14: New Orleans when I'm talking about this and shoot interviews,
Speaker 14: And it was during this period of time, which I
Speaker 14: believe is subsequent to the aforementioned San Antonio press conference,
Speaker 14: that he kind of talked it through as far as
Speaker 14: where they're going for this show and where they're going
Speaker 14: for Sid's title reign in his short term future. And
Speaker 14: again to hear Sid tell it, he talked himself into
Speaker 14: thinking that he actually could get a run, that there
Speaker 14: was a way out of this, this this title win
Speaker 14: that didn't involve him losing it directly back to Sean
Speaker 14: and San Antonio. And here in an R video shoot interview,
Speaker 14: Sid what counts talking to Vince McMahon at the NAPTI
Speaker 14: convention about what was about to happen to his first
Speaker 14: WWF title run.
Speaker 15: Now, because that was the idea, you know, I guess
Speaker 15: I hear say that Sean's dream was to be in
Speaker 15: a big show like that in his hometown.
Speaker 26: All Right.
Speaker 15: The agreement was this, I take the belt at Survivor
Speaker 15: series and we'd keep it only as long as I
Speaker 15: was drawn. Okay, going to the Nazi Convention or wherever
Speaker 15: it's called, the New Orleans representing the WWF, you know,
Speaker 15: one day and Vincent I went in and we were talking.
Speaker 7: He said, said, he's right, two uns for you.
Speaker 15: Drop that belt back to Sean and san Antonio. I said, Evince,
Speaker 15: I said, you say the things were core good that
Speaker 15: you know, we want to think about it at least
Speaker 15: or talk about it. He said, no, See what I'm
Speaker 15: gonna do is this this is on down. We're gonna
Speaker 15: drop it on me, putting on there, and then we're
Speaker 15: gonna do a thirteen hour roll and each will put
Speaker 15: it back on you there. And that was my understanding.
Speaker 18: Was and that they did have all they had. The
Speaker 18: Thursday night wrong was scheduled but didn't go as planned.
Speaker 18: You know, Sean came out and gave the classic interview
Speaker 18: about losing his smile and never wound up, you know,
Speaker 18: losing the title that night.
Speaker 5: Was there any personal resignment from you towards Sewn.
Speaker 15: No that night, not Mae, because they'll tell you what
Speaker 15: this step my business, that's his business, and that's what
Speaker 15: I don't nobody in my business. If I want to
Speaker 15: do a no show or I want to fucking cuss
Speaker 15: up promotion. You know, I want my freedom to do
Speaker 15: what I want to do if I want, you know whatever.
Speaker 15: I don't judge anybody, but that's Sean. That's what Sean
Speaker 15: want to do. More power shot. It didn't bother me
Speaker 15: at all, you know. Uh, of course it's unprofessional, but
Speaker 15: you know didn't because it pays the same.
Speaker 17: Right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 16: Right?
Speaker 18: And the only reason I asked is because it's now
Speaker 18: infamous about the problems that Brent and Sean had behind
Speaker 18: the scenes, and it seemed like it's them from Sean
Speaker 18: not wanted to put Brett back over and Brett take
Speaker 18: it personally. That's why I asked with you. And you
Speaker 18: actually did some three ways with Breton Sean. Could you
Speaker 18: sense any tension between the two during the Three Ways?
Speaker 15: Yeah, I was putting little situations like but uh, we
Speaker 15: all came out of it every night pretty good. It
Speaker 15: was a weird batch for it. Who booked out pretty good?
Speaker 16: Yeah?
Speaker 14: I mean he said he was always put in the
Speaker 14: middle of these situations. That's what we were saying.
Speaker 5: Yep, it's so fucking funny. I think part of the.
Speaker 14: Reason that you were so jarred back in the day
Speaker 14: as to why Sean suddenly didn't have the belt anymore,
Speaker 14: is what he just said. It was a Thursday night Raw. Yeah, right, exactly,
Speaker 14: That's definitely it. Like I missed that Thursday Night Raw.
Speaker 14: I didn't watch it. I forgot all about it for
Speaker 14: whatever reason on that Mondays.
Speaker 5: US Open or Dog Show whatever, right, and so you know,
Speaker 5: you know, for me, I was watching. You know, the
Speaker 5: last time I saw I saw the WW would have
Speaker 5: been the Monday previous, so two weeks had gone by
Speaker 5: for me before I realized that Shawn Michaels gave up
Speaker 5: the belt and Brettheart was a champion at Thursday Raw. Thursday.
Speaker 14: Yep, that was a very memorable night for a lot
Speaker 14: of reasons. It was live's Lowell mass. Sean does the
Speaker 14: the infamous I've lost my smile speech and relinquishes the belt,
Speaker 14: having tweaked his knee in one of the aforementioned triple
Speaker 14: threat matches off television with Brett Hart and sid that
Speaker 14: they were doing around the horn, and he, uh, you know,
Speaker 14: does it heartfelt speech in the ring and gives the
Speaker 14: championship to events and leaves and they do the whole
Speaker 14: tell Me a Live thing again where Sean leaves before
Speaker 14: he's supposed to. And yeah, according to what Sid says there,
Speaker 14: and according to the advertising going in, as we'll get to,
Speaker 14: it was supposed to be Shawn Michael's versus Sid for
Speaker 14: the title in the rematch on Thursday Raw Thursday, and
Speaker 14: Sid was supposed to do, at least according to the
Speaker 14: conversation he just recounted with Vince win the title back
Speaker 14: on that show. He doesn't, of course, end up winning
Speaker 14: it until the show We're going to Deep Dive next,
Speaker 14: the February seventeenth Raw. This one took place a little
Speaker 14: earlier in February. That's also the night where Rocky my
Speaker 14: Via wins the Intercontinental title for the first time, right
Speaker 14: beating Triple H and thus really accelerating the Die Rocky
Speaker 14: Die fan backlash, which is part and parcel of the
Speaker 14: same phenomenon that we were just talking about, with the
Speaker 14: fan siding with Sid over Sean.
Speaker 5: And Yeah, it's very true. That's a good point.
Speaker 14: It's all happening in real time. It ends up being
Speaker 14: Sid and yes, Sid and stone Cold in the main
Speaker 14: event of Thursday Raw Thursday, instead of really Sean. Yeah,
Speaker 14: and I don't know if I've ever seen the entire thing. Actually, yeah,
Speaker 14: it's quite it's quite a memorable night. Prickly in retrospect
Speaker 14: did a lot of stuff that ended up having ramifications.
Speaker 14: They go back to that show a lot, you know,
Speaker 14: and telling histories and stuff.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yeah, it's always a thing.
Speaker 14: Now, Bruce takes a little bit of exception, saying, you know,
Speaker 14: this idea because Conrad references this interview and says that
Speaker 14: Sid was under the impression that as long as he
Speaker 14: was drawing his champion that he would continue having the strap,
Speaker 14: and Bruce, I think rightfully pushes back and says, no,
Speaker 14: it was always the idea. Everyone knew before Sid even
Speaker 14: beat Sean, that it was always a plan for Sid
Speaker 14: to drop the title Sean and san Antonio. And there
Speaker 14: was never this proviso that if you were drawing, we're
Speaker 14: going to leave it on you. That was never ever
Speaker 14: the case. He says, from our point of view, his
Speaker 14: talent was aware of that. Talent talent was aware of
Speaker 14: what we were going to do between Survivor's series and
Speaker 14: the World Rumble and what we were going to do
Speaker 14: at the Rumble, so that it just doesn't hold any
Speaker 14: water to suggest anything. You know that there was any
Speaker 14: other plan other than that, and I think that's very clear.
Speaker 14: I mean, there's no way you book Alamodome and put
Speaker 14: Sean in the main event and there's even a centil
Speaker 14: of a chance that he doesn't win the championship.
Speaker 5: Of course, I mean, or you know, yeah, it needs
Speaker 5: to be exactly.
Speaker 14: Exactly would be fucking death if they didn't have the
Speaker 14: happy ending there. And there's hardly in the early days,
Speaker 14: hardly any meditation on WIF television around Sid's era. You know,
Speaker 14: they're not really trying to tell the fans that this
Speaker 14: could be the beginning of a long rain. Not initially
Speaker 14: they don't say that, and of course that's probably because
Speaker 14: it wasn't supposed to be. But it's so obvious when
Speaker 14: you actually go back and watch all this stuff and
Speaker 14: realize everything about Sid is equal parts about Sean Michaels.
Speaker 14: Anything they say about Sid is just the entree to
Speaker 14: point out that he cheated by attacking Jose Thethario, and
Speaker 14: thus Shawn Michaels shouldn't be demerited for losing the title
Speaker 14: to Sid, because he lost it because he cared more
Speaker 14: for his mentor in this old Man than he did
Speaker 14: the championship and it's all about Sean, even though sid
Speaker 14: now was walking around his champion. There was a satellite
Speaker 14: interview where they they asked, Sean, who's now starting to
Speaker 14: show you know, he's starting to wear the stubble, he's
Speaker 14: starting to show a lot more grit on it interviews
Speaker 14: he started.
Speaker 5: I mean, he's he I think I talked about this
Speaker 5: when we did the ninety six Survivor series. He actually
Speaker 5: made me nervous that he was going to turn here.
Speaker 5: Yeah you're saying, and before or after the match? After
Speaker 5: the match? Yes, when he started, because he started acting
Speaker 5: a lot like Kevin Nash did when he lost about
Speaker 5: the year prior. That's the same playbook. And I was like,
Speaker 5: oh god, they're going to do this now, right, not Sean,
Speaker 5: He's my new Hogan. Amazing. Why do they keep doing
Speaker 5: this to me?
Speaker 14: It's weird They went that place with him, considering there
Speaker 14: was the Cinderella finish coming up at the Alamodome.
Speaker 5: Yeah, right, exactly.
Speaker 14: But he starts acting out. I think Sean, you know,
Speaker 14: you read his book and hear him talk about the zero.
Speaker 5: He was so.
Speaker 14: At his own head about the presentation being all wrong.
Speaker 14: You know that this playing to you know, screaming teenage
Speaker 14: girls and being a boy toy and stuff that it
Speaker 14: was very clear after ninety six was done that that
Speaker 14: was not going to be his meal ticket. You know,
Speaker 14: that was not going to be the kind of presentation
Speaker 14: that was going to leave him perceived. He does a
Speaker 14: really successful champion, and he was always very insecure about
Speaker 14: being accepted at the level his predecessors.
Speaker 5: Were as a champion. That's a big thing.
Speaker 14: We finally get the strap and we heard, like Isaacady
Speaker 14: Guerrero for instance, struggle endlessly with feeling unworthy of having
Speaker 14: the belt. And for Sean, I mean, I think that
Speaker 14: is a huge part and we did a lot of
Speaker 14: the psychoanalysis of this when we did the ninety seven journey.
Speaker 14: A huge part of why there was tension with Brett
Speaker 14: is because Sean, when push came to CHEF never really
Speaker 14: felt like Brett was sincere in saying that Sean was
Speaker 14: going to be able to carry the WWF the way
Speaker 14: Brett did as champion, and that he never really never
Speaker 14: really did the things that Sean would have expected him
Speaker 14: to do to give him that boost and that acceptance
Speaker 14: and that endorsement, and he was always waiting for it,
Speaker 14: and he was always waiting for it, and when he
Speaker 14: finally didn't get it, over a period of time, he
Speaker 14: started acting out. And I think by the Winner of
Speaker 14: ninety six we're starting to see that where Sean is
Speaker 14: acting so much more. It's kind of like a preemptively
Speaker 14: defensive and everything he says on television, and I have
Speaker 14: to believe this is before every line was scripted for
Speaker 14: these guys. I have to believe that part of that
Speaker 14: is Sean trying to really go in a business himself
Speaker 14: to some degree and framing his presentation differently considering how
Speaker 14: massive the crowd rejection was in you know, the leading
Speaker 14: litmus test arena for Vince Madison, Square Garden. So he's
Speaker 14: talking about in the satellite interview as they're asking him,
Speaker 14: did it throw you off that so many fans were
Speaker 14: cheering sid And he's saying, it didn't throw me off.
Speaker 14: I always said, I want the fans at WWF to
Speaker 14: enjoy themselves. If I can't provide what wouldn't make them
Speaker 14: enjoy themselves, then they can get it from somewhere else.
Speaker 14: I want the people behind me, but I will not
Speaker 14: beg the people to be behind me. So he's starting
Speaker 14: to get that streak of like that fuck you.
Speaker 5: Right, it's in again. It made me very nervous.
Speaker 14: And they go to London and very nervous. And when
Speaker 14: they were there they shoot some TV and Steve Austin
Speaker 14: actually hit Sid with the belt. There was a little
Speaker 14: mini Sid Austin feud during all this that's kind of
Speaker 14: easy to I vaguely remember that. Yeah, they have Sid
Speaker 14: versus Austin for I think the first time at least
Speaker 14: on television a couple of weeks after the Survivor's series,
Speaker 14: and Austin hits Sid with the belt and Davy boy
Speaker 14: Smith actually runs out and starts fighting with Austin, and
Speaker 14: Sid is dq'ed. He goes to power bomb Davy boy
Speaker 14: Smith and Brett makes the save for Davy boy and
Speaker 14: then Brett and Sid go face to face. This is
Speaker 14: ahead of its time, of course, allowing Stone Cold to
Speaker 14: knee Brett from behind and then Sid choke slams Brett down.
Speaker 14: So it's all, you know, all the different cross currents here,
Speaker 14: everybody's feuds are intertwining. And then there's another Shawn Michael
Speaker 14: satellite interview that they it's almost like these damage control
Speaker 14: satellite interviews they're doing with Sean after Survivor series where
Speaker 14: they're just hammering that he did this for jose Lethario
Speaker 14: and he doesn't care if you don't cheer for him,
Speaker 14: and he's in for his supporters and all that. And
Speaker 14: this is one that I think colors in a lot
Speaker 14: of Sid's early presentation.
Speaker 5: Here is champion. Okay, I really don't know what the
Speaker 5: controversy is about.
Speaker 30: Why everybody is where aroulse sticking their nose in my business.
Speaker 11: First of all, you Brett Hart, you come down, you
Speaker 11: davy boy, you come down.
Speaker 3: There's no place for you there.
Speaker 7: So what happens when you stick your nose in my business?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 7: The champ I am the champion of the world.
Speaker 27: That says at all that says that I am the
Speaker 27: man that says that I am the master and the rule.
Speaker 28: The world.
Speaker 8: By New Era darding here in the world Roastic Federation
Speaker 8: with the highly aggressive cycle to the rating world ROSTI
Speaker 8: feration in Jamie'll just winning to end the title.
Speaker 4: I guess the hit man on the early Christmas President
Speaker 4: in your house that fits.
Speaker 5: But there it is.
Speaker 14: That's that's all tasty and new era. Did he just
Speaker 14: say yeah, yeah, it's fleeting, but they start talking about
Speaker 14: it and Sid kicks off the December ninth, nineteen ninety
Speaker 14: six braw as well in this vein.
Speaker 16: Welcome to be wanting a ww have Monday night Raw
Speaker 16: begin you along with Terry the King Lawer.
Speaker 4: And ed On Jr.
Speaker 13: And look goostrolling from the squ circles.
Speaker 4: No last than the World Last Thing Federation champion.
Speaker 8: Himself a monster of three hundred Conder's in jar An individual.
Speaker 4: Perhaps it's indeed leading us into a new here here.
Speaker 21: In the World Last Thing Federation of Donald Willis Morris
Speaker 21: Biscol Gifts are concerned, Sycho said, Maybe.
Speaker 2: The leader here in the w doesn't live for a
Speaker 2: long time to come.
Speaker 3: But what a cross road.
Speaker 21: Psycho sit and finds himself backing this Sunday on pay
Speaker 21: per view, because will it be time for Psycho said
Speaker 21: to catch his name into immortality there you see it?
Speaker 21: Or will it be Brett Hart's opportunity to regain the
Speaker 21: WWF title for the fourth time.
Speaker 2: Give me a break, Jim Rush.
Speaker 32: I don't see anybody in the WWF they can beat
Speaker 32: Psycho Sid right now.
Speaker 2: Look you beat Sewn Michaels, He'll beat.
Speaker 6: Bret to hit man heart looking woo him down.
Speaker 8: Look at that cych co Sid, But we're all ross
Speaker 8: plays fighter action champion tonight.
Speaker 4: And going against another champion.
Speaker 8: Yes it's a champion pursus champion, sich Com said, perhaps
Speaker 8: power bombing us off here raw as sids work up.
Speaker 13: Again come late.
Speaker 2: Hum.
Speaker 14: So there's the framing new era of stuff, talking about
Speaker 14: his his physical gifts and all that. But it really
Speaker 14: starts to sound to me like, you know, this is
Speaker 14: going to be the only time Sid's going to headline
Speaker 14: the pay per view as champion. We better we better
Speaker 14: hurry up and accelerate the hype for this guy as
Speaker 14: someone that uh is worth buying a pay per view
Speaker 14: to see defend the championship and create the impression that
Speaker 14: you know, you're watching history in the making with him
Speaker 14: defending as opposed to it's kind of hard to get
Speaker 14: people to buy a champ a championship match when you
Speaker 14: think the champions lame duck. But it's just all of
Speaker 14: a sudden, it switches from Sean got screwed, Shawn got screwed.
Speaker 14: Sid won the belt, But that doesn't really that's not
Speaker 14: the story here to Sid is launching a new era
Speaker 14: of aggression here in the WWF.
Speaker 5: It's kind of weird now, it's so fucking convoluted and
Speaker 5: it's so phony.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, because they didn't really, they didn't react that
Speaker 14: way when Sid first won the belt, and now that
Speaker 14: there's a pay per view to sell without Sewn involved,
Speaker 14: it's like, well, we got to really kind of make
Speaker 14: it about Sid because we're not No one's going to
Speaker 14: buy this pay per view for what Shawn does. He
Speaker 14: doesn't have a match. He's going to be there, but
Speaker 14: we can't spend much more time emphasizing Sean and the
Speaker 14: damage control element of it, or it seemed to me
Speaker 14: at least to be damage control. But I think also
Speaker 14: we've got a lot for the possibility that week to
Speaker 14: week they're changing course, you know, they're trying to decide
Speaker 14: what's going to be most effective for that WrestleMania. The
Speaker 14: loosely sketched out plan of the Shawn Brett rematches very
Speaker 14: clearly becoming a fraught thing. It's not going to be
Speaker 14: very easy to put that match together. Definitely not going
Speaker 14: to be easy to get Brett the win back, which
Speaker 14: is probably the only way they could get that match
Speaker 14: in the ring. I'm not sure Brett would be a
Speaker 14: huge fan of losing to Shawn again to Wrestlemani's.
Speaker 5: In row, No, not at all.
Speaker 14: I cannot say this. Shawn Michaels in the state of mine.
Speaker 14: He's in agreeing to do the honors either. So that
Speaker 14: whole U come to Jesus conversation about how I just
Speaker 14: want you to know I wouldn't return the favor for you, Brett.
Speaker 14: I think could have been pushed forward quite a few
Speaker 14: months if if the issue was forced to WrestleMania thirteen,
Speaker 14: But for now, its time is on the calendar. Sids
Speaker 14: the champion, and we're going to frame him as a
Speaker 14: revolutionary New Era flag bearer on that. On an episode
Speaker 14: of Raw, as Vince was talking about he was to
Speaker 14: face Triple H. You at the time was the continental champion,
Speaker 14: and during the course of the match, Sid hits Triple
Speaker 14: H with a huge guerrilla press slam. They start fighting
Speaker 14: in the isle way. He power bombs him out there
Speaker 14: on the floor, but actually they get back in the ring,
Speaker 14: he power bombs him, Triple H rolls out, crawls up
Speaker 14: the aisle, and is counted out of the ring. So
Speaker 14: this WWF champion that's harbor the harboring der of a
Speaker 14: new era of aggression and dominance in the Wwfah can't
Speaker 14: even beat Triple H by pinfall. I mean, so I
Speaker 14: would love to know the negotiation that went on there,
Speaker 14: because this is, you know, this is Triple H starting
Speaker 14: to come out of the penalty box from the whole
Speaker 14: click incident as ninety six becomes ninety seven and now
Speaker 14: he's got the championship belt and he's gonna win King
Speaker 14: of the Ring again in ninety seven's it's just amazing
Speaker 14: to me that you just can't have Sid just beat
Speaker 14: the intercontinental champion to further cement him as your man.
Speaker 14: But those are the kind of things like, okay, those
Speaker 14: little signals I feel like that you give to the fans.
Speaker 14: So this guy isn't actually a long champion because he's not.
Speaker 5: Yeah, they're like they're completely uh uh you know, they're
Speaker 5: they're they're they're not making him feel important. They're not
Speaker 5: making him feel like he's worth paying attention to me
Speaker 5: or investing in. Right, he's not.
Speaker 14: He's not having the definitive outcomes that a champion of
Speaker 14: tenure would. You know that they've trained the fans to
Speaker 14: expect from a champion that's going to have a tenure
Speaker 14: with the belt. And as this all happens, as Triple
Speaker 14: H crawls up the aisle to avoid the pinfall, Sid's
Speaker 14: got this flat look on his face like he's watching
Speaker 14: the cashier ring him up or something, and it's like normal, look, yeah,
Speaker 14: he looks like a guy competing at a protest. Really,
Speaker 14: and they would get to the its time pay per view,
Speaker 14: which is mentioned is in December, I think December fourteenth,
Speaker 14: ninety sixth plus Palm Beach, Florida. And of course back
Speaker 14: at the time, Superstars was still on syndicated television on
Speaker 14: Saturday Sunday mornings of.
Speaker 5: Pay per views, and so you'd wrestled twice in the day.
Speaker 14: Well, if there was a match in the can that
Speaker 14: had been taped weeks before, yeah, sometimes they'd play that
Speaker 14: match in the morning of the pay per view and
Speaker 14: then you'd wrestle that night. And just like you said,
Speaker 14: on the pay per view, they talk as if you
Speaker 14: wrestled earlier that same very day, which is just hilarious.
Speaker 14: But in this case, they would set up a live remotes.
Speaker 14: So if you watch Superstars that Sunday morning and this
Speaker 14: gets me really cozy, this thought of like, you know,
Speaker 14: Bowl of Cereal pay per view and you watch Superstars
Speaker 14: at eleven in the morning and they're there in the arena.
Speaker 14: The arena is empty, you can see all the empare
Speaker 14: Oh I love that. Yep, so good, such a good
Speaker 14: use of that time. And they're telling you tonight's the
Speaker 14: night and they'll have interviews with the principles, and you
Speaker 14: just get this sense, you know, kind of like how
Speaker 14: the you know, the super Bowl pre show, even though
Speaker 14: the super Bowl doesn't kick off till whatever it is,
Speaker 14: eight thirty starting at noon.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but you watched, yeah exactly, you watch all the
Speaker 5: shit leading up to it.
Speaker 14: You at least get a glimpse of the terrain and
Speaker 14: the and the atmosphere and the energy, and you get it.
Speaker 14: You hear from from from the players, and you get
Speaker 14: a sense of what's going to mean to them when
Speaker 14: they finally hit that field. And that's what these little
Speaker 14: Superstars occasions would mean. And and Sid actually had some
Speaker 14: some some bright shining moments during some of these, uh,
Speaker 14: these Superstars previews, if you can call them that, that
Speaker 14: morning of its time. Sid is outside in westbaum Commentation,
Speaker 14: commenting on the match after Shawn Michaels had done an
Speaker 14: interview going off pretty much just on Brett Hart exclusively,
Speaker 14: and then they did an actual face off between Brett
Speaker 14: and Sean outside the venue in the daylight near some
Speaker 14: palm trees and they're jaw jacking and talking trash. So
Speaker 14: they basically shot angles for Superstars that morning, and it
Speaker 14: definitely seems like they had even up to its time
Speaker 14: a Sean Brett match in mind, it still seemed like
Speaker 14: loosely penciled in as we're building to Brett Seawan again,
Speaker 14: because they are not leading people to want to see
Speaker 14: something different than that after Sean gets the belt back.
Speaker 14: They are really getting you to want to see Brett
Speaker 14: and Sean again. There's no other way to watch this.
Speaker 14: This television show. It's interesting, yeah, and it's lost, and
Speaker 14: it's lost to history because people just accelerate right from
Speaker 14: Survivors series to Royal Rumble, and by Rumble, I feel like,
Speaker 14: you know, lost in winning and stuff. It's a little
Speaker 14: more up for grabs. And then of course the knee
Speaker 14: injury happens and Sean relinquishes the championship, and then whatever
Speaker 14: vestiges there may have been off Brett sewn in a rematch,
Speaker 14: go down the toilet, but they're definitely still comfortable as
Speaker 14: of the superstars. The morning of it's time pointing fans
Speaker 14: toward a Shan Brett rematch and trying to get them
Speaker 14: hyped for it. And here on that broadcast is Sid
Speaker 14: weighing in and all that's happening around him as WWF Champion.
Speaker 10: The WWF Champion, Psycho Sid.
Speaker 33: It is sold out here tonight and millions of people
Speaker 33: will be watching on pay per view in your house.
Speaker 10: It's time your challenger, Brett Hart.
Speaker 33: Feels it's time for him to regain the WWF title
Speaker 33: for a fourth time.
Speaker 10: A lot of other people feel it is a new
Speaker 10: error here in the WWF.
Speaker 4: It's Psycho Sid.
Speaker 5: Time see it.
Speaker 11: You're exactly right, And what I feel, I feel a
Speaker 11: little parannoy you coming from you here, man, and no
Speaker 11: reason why, because you consider yourself the best there is,
Speaker 11: the bester was and the best ever be. So you
Speaker 11: gotta understand something, my friend, you're.
Speaker 10: A great technical wrestler, but.
Speaker 11: I beat the greatest technical wrestler of all time, and
Speaker 11: that's Sean Michaels, And so wow, he is planning in
Speaker 11: the back of your head, and you know that you've
Speaker 11: got to come to my game plan.
Speaker 10: Hey, that is power, power.
Speaker 3: That you don't have.
Speaker 33: All right, Well, speaking of Sean Michaels, he'll be at
Speaker 33: ringside doing color commentary tonight.
Speaker 10: Is that going to be a major distraction?
Speaker 2: No, it won't be good.
Speaker 11: I'll tell you something, Sean, if you stick to your
Speaker 11: nose in my business, you'll get the exact same thing.
Speaker 3: Oh, thank god.
Speaker 10: But so it won't bother you none whatsoever. There's Seawn Michaels.
Speaker 4: Who sit.
Speaker 14: Sewn, just flies into frame and jumps on said, wow,
Speaker 14: street clothes like black shirt, black jeans. Way, I'm pretty
Speaker 14: sure you can hear Vincent there. Hey, knock it off.
Speaker 14: Knock it off, ye, knock it off. Goddamn you remember
Speaker 14: that Sid doing an interview outdoors and like the sunny
Speaker 14: Florida and then Sean flies into the frame with like
Speaker 14: a planchet.
Speaker 5: I don't remember at all.
Speaker 14: I think they replay it during the body of the
Speaker 14: Royal Rumble nineteen ninety seven. Pardon me, it's time ninety
Speaker 14: six broadcast. So yeah, Sean's showing up and he's fighting
Speaker 14: anybody at noon. It's pretty it's pretty wild.
Speaker 5: Then that sounds like Sean during during ninety the nineties.
Speaker 14: It's Sean looking for anybody to fuck with. And then
Speaker 14: later on during the pay per view itself, with the
Speaker 14: white painter's cap on backwards, Sid has this to say.
Speaker 33: Oh God, you have found out in a short you've
Speaker 33: been World Wrestling Federation champion.
Speaker 30: You are no longer the hunter. You are the hunted.
Speaker 33: I'd like to take you back to earlier this morning
Speaker 33: on Sunday Morning Superstars, when that has never been more evident.
Speaker 10: Now there it was Shawn Michaels diving on you.
Speaker 33: As I was conducting an interview with you, out comes
Speaker 33: Brett harton At one time you and Brett Hart are.
Speaker 4: Both beating on Shawn Michaels.
Speaker 33: And then Brett Hart really made the big bad mistake
Speaker 33: of turning his back on Psycho Sid. And boy, you
Speaker 33: sure took advantage of that opportunity. As we can see
Speaker 33: right here here it comes wow.
Speaker 6: Thiss like that. Dot.
Speaker 11: See if you head the loan by now see, don't
Speaker 11: put your nose in my business. And if you can't
Speaker 11: believe that as today.
Speaker 33: All right, Sid, but Jose aside tonight you can squelch
Speaker 33: the critics. You can silence everybody by defeating the legend
Speaker 33: Breda hit Man, Heart, bad Hair and the future.
Speaker 3: We make take it that top Brett, Shine, be.
Speaker 7: Je Shine and Shine fall. It's easy.
Speaker 28: Last.
Speaker 10: Thanks, all right, all right, Vince back to you at rings.
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Speaker 5: Sorrow barely understand Dan thing. You know, so you get
Speaker 5: to kind of change it up a little bit. You know,
Speaker 5: I might might get it. You're a master of the
Speaker 5: ruler blah blah blah bah blah. But you know, maybe
Speaker 5: say something new, something fresh, something that maybe isn't that.
Speaker 5: Please maybe say you're you're a goldfish, You're a monkey.
Speaker 5: I'm the monkey and the ruler of the world fans,
Speaker 5: if if that's what it takes, Yes, maybe say you're
Speaker 5: a goldfish or a monkey. Yeah it's a little a
Speaker 5: little monkey's uncle maybe.
Speaker 14: And uh something from that major And on his entrance
Speaker 14: to face bretton the main event of this In Your
Speaker 14: House show, Vince is talking like Sid's going to be
Speaker 14: the dominant champion, for years to come. And then Shawn,
Speaker 14: who gets on color commentary, call Sid the WWF's most
Speaker 14: expensive piece of luggage. He says, me and others carry
Speaker 14: him here and carry him there. Oh my god, Shawn says.
Speaker 14: Shawn is now totally id. It's just shouting everything. He says,
Speaker 14: gave him a live mic and he just like lets
Speaker 14: all of his insecurities pour out onto the television screen
Speaker 14: during the course of the match.
Speaker 5: It's a good one.
Speaker 14: Sid always worked well with Brett, Suplex's and mayors and
Speaker 14: Sid's taking bumps. And then suddenly Austin comes out and
Speaker 14: chop blocks Bred on the floor. This leads to Bulldog
Speaker 14: and Owen coming out to stop them, which again leads
Speaker 14: further credence to the idea that before Austin was to
Speaker 14: face Brett at WrestleMania thirteen and the Infamous, not the Infamous,
Speaker 14: the famous submission match, it was to be Steve Austin
Speaker 14: versus Davy boys.
Speaker 5: Smith, which just hurts. It hurts. It's hurts so bad.
Speaker 14: When they still thought that there was a chance Brett
Speaker 14: and Seawan were going to tangle in Chicago. So Brett
Speaker 14: now has a bad wheel thank to Steve Austin's blindsided
Speaker 14: at t the action hits the floor, Sid goes over
Speaker 14: to the announced table and pie face as Shawn Michaels
Speaker 14: sewn gets up on the apron and Sid tosses Brett
Speaker 14: into Shawn Michaels, leading to a collision and that allows
Speaker 14: Sid to hook Bread up for the power bomb and
Speaker 14: the one two three. SID defeats Brett Hart to retain
Speaker 14: the title and the only pay per view he ever
Speaker 14: went into and successfully defended the title against an opponent.
Speaker 5: That is true, that's a very good point of time.
Speaker 14: The next night, the December sixteenth, nineteen ninety six, Raw, Brett,
Speaker 14: of course has many grievances because of Sewan and Steve
Speaker 14: Austin's interference. Says, there's no good reason I'm not the
Speaker 14: World Wrestling Federation Champion, and I feel like here the
Speaker 14: Raw after its time is where they really turn up
Speaker 14: the dial on Brett as the whiny complainer because he's
Speaker 14: not just making points that are valid, but you can
Speaker 14: kind of hear the announcers kind of like try to
Speaker 14: kind of coach you to start to have a bad
Speaker 14: taste in your mouth about this guy, Like we've heard
Speaker 14: enough of this, Like win the championship man or shut
Speaker 14: the fuck up. And then that's when Brett starts talking
Speaker 14: about how you know things have changed, I don't know
Speaker 14: who my friends are anymore in the WWF, you don't
Speaker 14: know what the rules are. Remember that that's because there
Speaker 14: is no rules. And then they call Sean prissy. He says,
Speaker 14: you said you wouldn't interfere in the match, and you did,
Speaker 14: and Sean can't handle that. He's not as boy toy. Yeah,
Speaker 14: that's that's coming. And you can hear the words if
Speaker 14: coming out of Brett's mouth. Sean just can't handle that.
Speaker 14: He's not as good as I am.
Speaker 5: You can just hear it. You can hear it. And
Speaker 5: on that show, it's a Austin versus Vader, like holy shit,
Speaker 5: you know they they weren't shying away from Steve Austin
Speaker 5: building up his tough guy bona fides, despite doing sneak
Speaker 5: attacks on Brett to put him in there with Vader
Speaker 5: and have him go toe to toe and fucking slug
Speaker 5: it out with him. Oh yeah, I mean that's I mean,
Speaker 5: they're really doing such an amazing it's really amazing work
Speaker 5: they do with Austin. Yeah, especially it's really remarkable for it.
Speaker 14: Like really crystallizes. You're like, wow, yep, they actually were
Speaker 14: really smart every step of the way, and like doing
Speaker 14: little things to make you still realize that as sneaky
Speaker 14: of a motherfucker, Steve as he's not running away from anything.
Speaker 14: He just rabbid and that will actually come to love
Speaker 14: him for that. And during the course of this match
Speaker 14: with Vader in the main event of the Raw, after
Speaker 14: its time, Brett hard actually shows back up and attacks
Speaker 14: Steve Austin on the floor and chop blocks him and
Speaker 14: puts him in the sharpshooter, And that's a big uh.
Speaker 14: That's a big moment too where Brett is kind of
Speaker 14: being aggressive in a way that we should boo him
Speaker 14: as justified as he may be in his frustrations with
Speaker 14: Steve Austin and costing him the championship the night before.
Speaker 14: He's carrying himself in a way that we haven't really
Speaker 14: been programmed to cheer, and of course Sid has something
Speaker 14: to say about it all because he's still remember me,
Speaker 14: you're WWF champion.
Speaker 8: Gentlemen, we have pretty much core get to you the
Speaker 8: one and only what like butter Rectionia champion, showing us now.
Speaker 5: Goodhead, but the moment the fake razor music, of course annoying.
Speaker 16: Thank you very much, mister fitz McMahon said, you haven't
Speaker 16: crossed the entire world westing direction.
Speaker 4: J I just paide a point.
Speaker 8: In less than thirty days, while you have dominated to
Speaker 8: the extent, you have defeated Sean Michaels with a power bomb.
Speaker 8: You have defeated Prett Hart with a power bomb in
Speaker 8: less than thirty days.
Speaker 4: Can anyone stop you? Can anyone take.
Speaker 2: That title from you?
Speaker 4: Dis No, It's simple.
Speaker 11: See the game might play. I am the master, and
Speaker 11: if you step back to the ring, you will go down.
Speaker 4: All right, Then let's take you to the Alamo dum.
Speaker 34: The day will be January nineteenth, Seventy thousand fans will
Speaker 34: jam packed the arena said, and when you face Sean Michaels,
Speaker 34: the outcome of that is didn't question at all as
Speaker 34: far as you're concerning.
Speaker 30: I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 3: I know I'm going to shine Michael's backyard.
Speaker 30: But you gotta understand something, mister McMahon.
Speaker 11: I thrive, I thrive unversity. So it will be my victory,
Speaker 11: a sweet victory to walk into San Antonio and take
Speaker 11: Sean Michaels way more.
Speaker 3: Don way more don to the top, two feet up
Speaker 3: and two down.
Speaker 7: It works.
Speaker 4: And as far as don't get it, I think your
Speaker 4: part be interrupting it. As far as Jose la.
Speaker 8: Fario is concerned, he's Valcavie in the corner of Shawn
Speaker 8: Michael's once again.
Speaker 4: And I wouldn't think that would necessarily concern you though, will.
Speaker 11: No, I'm gonna tell you some pose. Remember what happened
Speaker 11: to Survivor series. Do yourself favor and stay at home
Speaker 11: where you belong.
Speaker 8: Yeah, thank you very much, ladies and gentlemen, thank you
Speaker 8: for joining us, Psycho said World of Rustling Counteraction.
Speaker 14: Champions, and had taken a step further. The next week,
Speaker 14: December twenty third, nineteen ninety six edition of Monday Night Raw,
Speaker 14: Sid visits with Vince.
Speaker 4: There's a little food for thought there.
Speaker 21: You can't talk to this man, and he is the
Speaker 21: man sixty nine, three hundred and thirteen pounds, but he got.
Speaker 3: A wonder one of the folks in.
Speaker 21: San Antonio think of Psycho, said, the folks in New
Speaker 21: York City.
Speaker 2: Loved him at the Survivor's here.
Speaker 13: I don't think sim will get that kind of reception.
Speaker 21: It's San Antonio at the Altamodome on January nineteen.
Speaker 13: What a magnificent physical specimen.
Speaker 4: He is not tendingly cure.
Speaker 21: He beats people in a pad with a string and
Speaker 21: what's been timid.
Speaker 14: Edison always apologizing for his lack of technical skills.
Speaker 5: I know, well that's that's the j R. Way Federation.
Speaker 5: City is young. This that is true.
Speaker 13: Man Sean Michael is looking on as we speak back
Speaker 13: in the locker.
Speaker 4: Amarion here he is psychos in less than thirty days.
Speaker 5: Keep the music going. Hear that power bombs go yeah.
Speaker 8: As power bomb roughly hitting man hard defeated both individual
Speaker 8: and indeed establish your dominant. It seems to me, however,
Speaker 8: that John Michaels has an attitude rent the hitting man
Speaker 8: heart as an attitude.
Speaker 5: Attitude is that word? Very interesting, Undertaker.
Speaker 4: Everybody has an attitude. When it comes.
Speaker 8: Attitude, Oliver, I would suggest that they all are going
Speaker 8: to be playing right into your hands.
Speaker 11: I do you think about second for a second. With
Speaker 11: the thirty days, I had to feed it the two
Speaker 11: waited technical wrestlers thround the world, but the game they
Speaker 11: played was technicality.
Speaker 3: And then at the end there was only power.
Speaker 19: For well, walk the ground guy, listen.
Speaker 11: Right, because I understood repredator, But the World.
Speaker 3: Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 5: Should say that after that there is.
Speaker 30: About the world.
Speaker 4: What was was Shan microsby thinking.
Speaker 30: But I will everyone to realize one thing.
Speaker 11: As I stand here right now, I am six foot
Speaker 11: nine and over three hundred.
Speaker 4: Pounds, and tomorrow I was a sixty.
Speaker 25: Times three hundred pounds.
Speaker 10: No doubt, I'm a going to day after and the
Speaker 10: day after.
Speaker 19: Earthy day after.
Speaker 5: This man is he's little nets but stuff. To be
Speaker 5: honest about it, I don't know, not working for me. No,
Speaker 5: I mean, listen, he says the same thing over and
Speaker 5: over again. It's not you know he it's kind of
Speaker 5: funny because he I feel like he had more to
Speaker 5: say in ninety two.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 5: Now it's just the same shit over and over again. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you're probably right.
Speaker 14: It got the psycho character, so it's like it's all
Speaker 14: affect and like there doesn't seem to be a great
Speaker 14: depth of things that he's able to pull out and say.
Speaker 14: It's just like as long as I scream and laugh
Speaker 14: maniacally at certain beats. They clearly fed him the super
Speaker 14: Predator line that was a new one. Yeah, that was
Speaker 14: a big one in the news, like a characterizing like
Speaker 14: inner city youth that were killing and murders like super predators.
Speaker 14: That's very ninety six of them to try to adopt
Speaker 14: that phrase and their Sid just try and trying to
Speaker 14: to sound like somebody that we should receive as our
Speaker 14: WWF champion, And I'm not sure it's working.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, I don't think it is.
Speaker 14: Well, we do have the great luxury of Sid having
Speaker 14: taken the strap right around Christmas time as we head
Speaker 14: into the holiday season here as well. We were the
Speaker 14: beneficiaries because when the crack WWF production staff got together
Speaker 14: to try to come up with some holiday themed content
Speaker 14: for the syndicated weekend shows and such, the fact that
Speaker 14: Sid was champion allowed them to create a little jingle.
Speaker 14: Do you remember this, No happy Holidays from the World
Speaker 14: Wrestling Families.
Speaker 5: You're a damn right, So yeah you better? Uh what
Speaker 5: was it?
Speaker 14: A choke slam and a power bomb and uh, they
Speaker 14: were just they were just trying to make holiday content
Speaker 14: around Sid. It was so bizarre.
Speaker 5: And you know when they would do that around certain guys,
Speaker 5: it was always so fucking weird. You know, it's a guy.
Speaker 5: You know, there's one. There are a few people, and
Speaker 5: Sid's one of them. You don't need to make him Christmas,
Speaker 5: all right, he's like the he's like the opposite of Christmas.
Speaker 14: It doesn't occur to them like whether it fits. It's
Speaker 14: just like, well, all these guys are fair game for
Speaker 14: a little well we do can't well we could be lighthearted,
Speaker 14: we can have some fun. These guys are entertainers.
Speaker 5: It's like like like like the entertained.
Speaker 14: Actually Sid isn't an entertainer, Vince, He's if you make
Speaker 14: him a parade float, suddenly he's he's not as interesting
Speaker 14: to watch as a wrestler now as yeah uh. And
Speaker 14: to further humanize the man, probably to his detriment, Let's
Speaker 14: not forget. This is also the winter of Live Why
Speaker 14: the Live Wire experiment October I believe it was they
Speaker 14: or September, they just started doing this Saturday morning call
Speaker 14: in show concept from the television facilities in Stanford, where
Speaker 14: you know it would just be Vince and Sonny or
Speaker 14: Jim Ross or whoever it was. Vince Russo be involved
Speaker 14: taking phone calls from ww fans and emails and stuff,
Speaker 14: and they'd have special in guests in studio, guests that
Speaker 14: would you know, ninety percent k fabe in the interviews.
Speaker 14: But you know, it was interesting because they take calls
Speaker 14: from people that would ask about WCW and kind of
Speaker 14: like troll jobs, and they'd try to, you know, Vince
Speaker 14: Russo would try to say shooty things on the show.
Speaker 5: And uh, what do you know?
Speaker 14: Christmas nineteen ninety six, that live wire not Christmas Day,
Speaker 14: but that you know, the live wire before Christmas. Sid
Speaker 14: makes the trip. The WWF champion is in studio, and Boss,
Speaker 14: you better believe he's taking your calls.
Speaker 32: But if we take some calls from the subs and
Speaker 32: go to Craig in Florida, Craig you.
Speaker 35: That, oh, I'm certainly here. Good morning to you.
Speaker 5: Donc get goodness sure this is a real guy.
Speaker 35: By the way you the man did. I was there
Speaker 35: West Palm Beat Auditorium. The way you took care of Brett.
Speaker 25: To hit man heart a thing of beauty.
Speaker 35: I got to tell you, root for you to take
Speaker 35: care of Sewn Michaels.
Speaker 31: I'm tired of hearing him running his mouth, complaining Brett
Speaker 31: Harr complaining you got anything in doors special for Shawn
Speaker 31: Michaels to take him down.
Speaker 9: I'm will tell you a step that I'm going to
Speaker 9: take to Sean Michael's Trim Survivor series when has always
Speaker 9: worked for me, and that is my game plan. That
Speaker 9: is power, that is strange, and that's what's coming straight on,
Speaker 9: straight on.
Speaker 5: Well right now, tell you who's straight on.
Speaker 36: Today?
Speaker 25: Good morning, b You have a question?
Speaker 35: Ever said? Yeah, Well, first of all, I decided I'm
Speaker 35: a major SIT fan for years. I think it's about
Speaker 35: time that he has a title. Right, And my question
Speaker 35: is how older wife said, doesn't put his opponents o
Speaker 35: stretcher and knocking on the alley more like he used to.
Speaker 5: Well, let me tell you something.
Speaker 12: See that's what that's what I might have him store
Speaker 12: coming Alamo. Don't but don't be surprised if it happened
Speaker 12: and Yushaine Michael or the first one to be stretchered out.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 4: I believe them could be a prophetics named it. There
Speaker 4: are you saying that you would like to.
Speaker 33: Have Shawn stretched out in front of seventy thousand people?
Speaker 9: I would just say that it would it would just
Speaker 9: prove everyone's too is demand?
Speaker 33: Well, I would have to say, right now, twenty seven days,
Speaker 33: you power bomb Brett Hard and Shawn Michael's within that
Speaker 33: twenty seven days. Undoubtedly we are in a new era
Speaker 33: here in the World Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 16: But sid you.
Speaker 33: Gotta admit your work's cut out for you three weeks
Speaker 33: from the morrow.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm gonna tell you something. My work has been
Speaker 9: cut out the day one dog, But I'm gonna tell
Speaker 9: you something.
Speaker 5: My head's off to you, SHAWNE.
Speaker 17: Michael.
Speaker 5: My hat's off to you.
Speaker 9: Bretton Hitman Heart, the one time World Wrestling Federation Champion.
Speaker 9: I now know the pressures of having this belt around
Speaker 9: your waist. I feel the pressures on my shoulders, but
Speaker 9: I actually take the pressures and I can carry the
Speaker 9: load of the World Wrestling Federation.
Speaker 25: Let me ask you about pressure.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 25: We talked about this earlier.
Speaker 4: You do have a beat fan following.
Speaker 5: Your mindset.
Speaker 25: You don't care what happens as long as you get
Speaker 25: a victory.
Speaker 13: Now, how important are these people as far as motivating you?
Speaker 5: Will tell you something.
Speaker 9: When you're down, your look, your face is down on
Speaker 9: the mat. The only thing that brings you up is
Speaker 9: the fans, either doing or cheering the fans. Everything that
Speaker 9: comes through your body and out through into your heart
Speaker 9: and out your eyes, out to your skin.
Speaker 4: Pards here feel the fans.
Speaker 5: I feel them, and.
Speaker 9: I've heard them from day once since I've been back
Speaker 9: in the World Rusting Federation, and I will continue.
Speaker 5: Doc.
Speaker 6: Are you go ahead?
Speaker 37: Would one mind taking another phone call?
Speaker 13: And those people would love to shock you.
Speaker 27: Let's take Mike in Connecticut.
Speaker 35: Mikey there, Yeah, how are you doing?
Speaker 5: You got a question for sick?
Speaker 6: Yeah?
Speaker 17: Happy holidays everybody.
Speaker 36: Thank you.
Speaker 35: Sid.
Speaker 17: I just want to say I'm a major fan of yours.
Speaker 35: I'm glad that you destroyed the heartburn kid there, and uh,
Speaker 35: what's on?
Speaker 15: Uh?
Speaker 17: What else is on the horizon for sit in ninety seven,
Speaker 17: not only with yeah on coming.
Speaker 13: Up and possibly Brett, but maybe a possible match with
Speaker 13: you Invader maybe.
Speaker 9: Well, I'm gonna tell you something.
Speaker 6: Messages.
Speaker 9: Being the World Wrestling Fair Racing Champion, you cannot go
Speaker 9: by thinking who's your next opponent.
Speaker 17: You gotta live off the interstinct.
Speaker 9: And instinct is the only thing that's gonna make you survive,
Speaker 9: help you make it to the next day.
Speaker 17: And that's the one thing I have going for me
Speaker 17: is good instinct.
Speaker 1: I have a la fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast
Speaker 1: that knows the boys need their candy. It's the lapsed
Speaker 1: fan fan wrestling with Jack.
Speaker 5: And that's the one thing he's got going for him.
Speaker 5: Boss Good. Who's the woman there that's sunny?
Speaker 15: It was.
Speaker 14: Yeah, obviously the tape quality is poor, but they don't
Speaker 14: have pristine quality ones on the on the network for
Speaker 14: this live wire stuff. But yeah, that's one thing he's
Speaker 14: always had going for him as instinct, uh.
Speaker 5: Is in Yes he stinks.
Speaker 14: Isn't he such a charmer? And that extemporaneous speaking role,
Speaker 14: it's awful. What's awful about it?
Speaker 5: He just because he doesn't know what to fucking say.
Speaker 5: He's got right, It's like he he It's like he
Speaker 5: comes in there with an attitude and then he blanks,
Speaker 5: you know, and he realized that the it's like the
Speaker 5: attitude can't get you through it all, Like you need
Speaker 5: more this attitude. You need to have a fucking point.
Speaker 14: It's like I already said that. Uh, I already said that.
Speaker 14: You can almost hear him like run out of things.
Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly, And it's awful later.
Speaker 14: On in the show, and it wasn't I try to
Speaker 14: write home about But Shawn michaels him cell phones in
Speaker 14: probably slept in as well and screamed it said a
Speaker 14: little bit and said we'll rustling Federation one hundred times.
Speaker 14: And we go to the December thirtieth raw where Brett
Speaker 14: and Seawan are in a face off and they call Sewan,
Speaker 14: I believe, for the very first time on WF television,
Speaker 14: a degenerate. I think it's the first time really the
Speaker 14: word degeneratives used, yes, and then Brett attacks Austin during
Speaker 14: a tag match. Brett says, this is the show, the
Speaker 14: December thirtieth raw where Brett jumps on Sean for being
Speaker 14: in Playgirl, which was a key kind of point of
Speaker 14: friction between the two, something where you know, Brett of
Speaker 14: course claims he cleared it with Sean beforehand, but Seawn
Speaker 14: just took it in a way that wasn't expected. He says, Playgirl,
Speaker 14: I don't think any girls buy that magazine, you know,
Speaker 14: intimating whatever you will, and then he says, you've degraded
Speaker 14: the championship, which is a you know, it's a little
Speaker 14: close to home too, because, like I said, you can
Speaker 14: look at it as Brett saying that because Shawn's in Playgirl,
Speaker 14: and like doing immoral things. But you can also look
Speaker 14: at it as you've degraded the title in that it's
Speaker 14: not as right, it's not as prestigious as it was
Speaker 14: when I had it, and you know.
Speaker 5: It right and because you want it right.
Speaker 14: He's basically Brett comes right out and says, if you're
Speaker 14: not fourteen year old, fourteen years old and female, you
Speaker 14: were a step down essentially as champion, and h I
Speaker 14: kick your ass because I can, and Sean says, yeah.
Speaker 14: This is where Sean fires back, and I have a
Speaker 14: hard time believing that this one was arranged ahead of time.
Speaker 14: He says it with kind of like an annoyed tone.
Speaker 14: He says, I've seen you on the road, pal, and
Speaker 14: you're no role model. Wow, Sean bringing up you know,
Speaker 14: that's kind of like a preview of the Sunny Days
Speaker 14: comment in a lot of ways. Yeah, sure, So this
Speaker 14: is like the first to me claws out caddy kind
Speaker 14: of exchange between Sean and bretn on television. They'd had brawls,
Speaker 14: they had had cross words, but they always felt like
Speaker 14: they had more pomp and circumstance and blustered to them
Speaker 14: and sort of like promo over the topness whereas this
Speaker 14: one was kind of like, these guys are cutting into
Speaker 14: each other saying things that that it's not really business
Speaker 14: to to say those things about Sean.
Speaker 5: You know, it's it's not going to help.
Speaker 14: It might help sell the match, but it's not going
Speaker 14: to help, you know, Sean be perceived as as someone
Speaker 14: to be taken seriously as an n ring guy, and
Speaker 14: he's coming up on the Royal Rumble, and you've got
Speaker 14: Brett reminding people that gay guys look at playgirl. You know,
Speaker 14: I'm not sure this isn't actually a huge moment because
Speaker 14: these two. Yeah, but the point of this for our
Speaker 14: purposes this time is Sid comes out any screams you've
Speaker 14: played the game, I'm sure, He says, it's very simple
Speaker 14: at one point.
Speaker 5: That's another one. Yeah, simple, very simple. Yeah, it has
Speaker 5: to be real simple. It has to be Sid. I mean,
Speaker 5: they wouldn't they wouldn't hand you something complicated to say. Yeah, listen,
Speaker 5: you've proved that simplicity is the only way you can go.
Speaker 14: He says, I've beat you both. I need competition. And
Speaker 14: it's at this point December thirtieth, nineteen ninety six, this
Speaker 14: is the line in the sand. To me, the Undertaker's
Speaker 14: gong hits, and the Undertaker comes out, and they tease
Speaker 14: for the first time that Sid and Undertaker is a
Speaker 14: match you will want to see. Now, we've heard Bruce
Speaker 14: Pritchard say before that Sid Undertaker was always going to
Speaker 14: be at WrestleMania, but not necessarily for the championship, and
Speaker 14: that really tracks when you think about the kind of
Speaker 14: opponent they tended to match up Undertaker with at WrestleMania
Speaker 14: in that sure period. Sure, totally someone of his height
Speaker 14: and stature. It was Diesel, it was Jan Gonzalez, it
Speaker 14: was huge guys.
Speaker 5: And kund it was everybody.
Speaker 14: So I think we're within our rights to think of
Speaker 14: what we're seeing here is them setting up Sean winning
Speaker 14: the title back from Sid and wrestling Brett Hart at WrestleMania,
Speaker 14: and Sid facing Undertaker in a singles match, but knowing
Speaker 14: that a non title match, but knowing that it becomes
Speaker 14: Sid and Taker for the title. It's also easy to
Speaker 14: look at this raw and say, oh, they knew that
Speaker 14: that was going to be the WrestleMania thirteen main event
Speaker 14: months before, But I don't think that's what this was.
Speaker 14: I think this was them setting up a match for
Speaker 14: after Sid dropped the strap with no consideration of it
Speaker 14: being a match where Undertaker would win the belt, just
Speaker 14: because of the way it's presaged by the Brett Sean fight.
Speaker 14: That's clearly trying to set up and get you excited
Speaker 14: for Brett versus Sean on the other side, just fascinating
Speaker 14: stuff going on, all kinds of games. So Taker comes out,
Speaker 14: Vader attacks Hi, actually because Vader's going to wrestle Undertaker
Speaker 14: at Royal Rumble. Remember that, oh god, Vader pins Undertaker
Speaker 14: clean at the Royal Rumble, which is to me probably
Speaker 14: a make good for stepping aside in the fall and
Speaker 14: letting Sid take the center stage and the championship. And
Speaker 14: if you give a Vader Winter Undertaker, then it can
Speaker 14: come back and benefit him later. Of course, it never
Speaker 14: really did, No, it did not. It was a complete
Speaker 14: waste of waste of a match. But it is important
Speaker 14: to remember that the final rob nineteen ninety six has
Speaker 14: Sid and the Undertaker facing off and then Sean doing
Speaker 14: a big dive over the ropes to the floor onto Sid,
Speaker 14: and it's a big old brawl. We flip the calendar
Speaker 14: to nineteen eighty seven. On the January sixth, raw the
Speaker 14: first of ninety seven. As Sid makes his way to
Speaker 14: the ring. The signs and the crowd include one that
Speaker 14: says Sid enough said.
Speaker 5: If only that was the case, and no right, I
Speaker 5: mean it's funny on so many levels.
Speaker 21: On January the nineteenth, in San Antonio, Texas, there will
Speaker 21: be seventy thousand fans in attendance, cheering the hometown hero
Speaker 21: Sean Michaels, who will attempt to regain.
Speaker 3: The WWF title?
Speaker 5: Or are you that didn't sound positive in timid days?
Speaker 21: No about going into such hostile territory in San Antonio.
Speaker 11: See dear Ross, you haven't even got a clue because
Speaker 11: I intimidated by nothing.
Speaker 19: No man, then wolves, what we're standing in.
Speaker 16: Here right, here's what I consider the dying field.
Speaker 19: And inside this area.
Speaker 5: We'll be hidden hitting.
Speaker 19: The dick, We'll be dickings. I'm caso take.
Speaker 2: The camera.
Speaker 30: And hit someone before you were hit first.
Speaker 13: Told you wouldn't apologize me, man, good.
Speaker 16: Dying Seeing San Antonio Talamo Dome, everybody's gonna.
Speaker 3: Realize something dislike that scene that.
Speaker 2: Day I was born.
Speaker 3: I was born the man.
Speaker 16: See Sean Michaels, you, my friend, you can never have
Speaker 16: that clean I don't care, even if it's.
Speaker 7: In your hometown.
Speaker 16: So I'm gonna walk kidsto San Antonio. But the yards
Speaker 16: against me.
Speaker 2: I will walk in.
Speaker 7: The man.
Speaker 3: And I will walk out.
Speaker 38: Yes, Oh, look out the man. Oh I say this,
Speaker 38: does it, Susan? Because I am the master?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I am the ru the ruler. Blah blah
Speaker 5: blah blah blah. I get it. Well.
Speaker 8: That remained today saying I would suggest I remember said
Speaker 8: is not the underdog.
Speaker 4: John Michaels clearly is the hunderdog.
Speaker 2: Cannot learn about it.
Speaker 14: I somehow don't understand, don't remember or call boss when
Speaker 14: we were doing the Terry Funk Journey uh doing his
Speaker 14: interviews in succession and being like, oh god, here he
Speaker 14: goes again. I don't think a single time.
Speaker 5: It's like it really is. Know, it's impactful when he
Speaker 5: says it once in a while, but every time it's
Speaker 5: not good.
Speaker 14: Guys shouldn't even talk for like a month, you know,
Speaker 14: I know, you should only be brought to talk in
Speaker 14: an explosion of you know, intensity or something. Yeah, but
Speaker 14: I mean we're really seeing you know, his upper his
Speaker 14: upper limit, We're seeing his ceiling, and we forget this
Speaker 14: when when the guy passes away, and we, you know,
Speaker 14: think so fondly on the moments that he participated in
Speaker 14: that impacted us as fans when a week to week
Speaker 14: it was kind of a chore to watch him do
Speaker 14: his thing, even as WWF champion. So here there we
Speaker 14: are in nineteen ninety seven. Later, Sean comes to the
Speaker 14: commentary table and Sid says he wants to apologize for
Speaker 14: what he's going to do. He's someone apologize to you
Speaker 14: for attacking over Lithario. He wants to apologize for what
Speaker 14: he's going.
Speaker 17: To do to you.
Speaker 5: How aboudy apologizing to us for fucking awful promo? Oh
Speaker 5: he doesn't do that. Later on the show.
Speaker 14: I don't know if you remember this, Remember when Pete
Speaker 14: Lothario's son was backstage and said power bombed him on
Speaker 14: a table.
Speaker 5: I mean, I mean Pete Lothario, Pete. I remember seeing
Speaker 5: clips of it. I didn't see it happen.
Speaker 14: Yeah, they played it up on the Rumol Landy seven
Speaker 14: broadcast as well. But it's on this raw or Pete
Speaker 14: Lothario's backstage and his cowboy boots or whatever, and Sid
Speaker 14: grabs him by the throat. Just an innocent bystander, right,
Speaker 14: to further exacerbate the the cowardly attacks that he was
Speaker 14: making on Lothario to get it Sean heading into. But
Speaker 14: then we have an inspired promo and come to find
Speaker 14: out there is a different approach to this one. This
Speaker 14: is a promo that Sid cut in an empty Alamo
Speaker 14: Dome to be the site of his upcoming match with
Speaker 14: Sean Michaels, and Sid is kind of contemplating on what's
Speaker 14: going to happen in these hallowed halls?
Speaker 5: Uh in just a in just a little while.
Speaker 14: And the thing about this interview that's different is Sid
Speaker 14: has said and shoots that this is pretty much the
Speaker 14: only one that comes to his mind when they ask
Speaker 14: him the question about you know, is it better now
Speaker 14: that guys are handed scripts to read on promos than
Speaker 14: it was before when they weren't. And he does say
Speaker 14: that this promo right here was the only example that
Speaker 14: he remembers a Vince handing him basically a script handing him,
Speaker 14: you know, the structure of what to say.
Speaker 5: And he liked it.
Speaker 14: He said, I really thought it was thought out well.
Speaker 14: It was something that at the time was a perfect
Speaker 14: interview for the right time for that show, and it
Speaker 14: was leaning up to the big show that at the
Speaker 14: Alamo with Sean. I was in that empty arena and
Speaker 14: I pretty much did word for word with Vince. They
Speaker 14: were that good all the time. If they were that
Speaker 14: good all the time, he said, I'd sit back and
Speaker 14: let them do all those all the time.
Speaker 5: But they weren't. And he said he had the luxury
Speaker 5: because he kept a lot of the inner material himself.
Speaker 5: Of being prepared, he says, he is always going to
Speaker 5: be prepared with something you know exactly. But Vince would say,
Speaker 5: you know, this guy knows his interviews. I doubt he'd
Speaker 5: say that. But he says, they let me look at
Speaker 5: one and say do you like this or what do
Speaker 5: you think? You know?
Speaker 14: They would bring material by him, and Sid says, if
Speaker 14: I had one better than that, they'd let me do mine.
Speaker 14: But he thinks of this one right here is one
Speaker 14: of the better interviews he did. It was laid out perfect.
Speaker 14: So if they come up with things like that, I'd say,
Speaker 14: that's what I let them do. I think a lot
Speaker 14: of times myself will have something good to say too,
Speaker 14: and so I think I'll listen to him in that instance. Well,
Speaker 14: you'd be the judge.
Speaker 5: This is Sid.
Speaker 14: Holding court, so to speak, under different pretenses and auspices.
Speaker 14: Ahead of the Alamodim MATCHICT Royal Rumble with Shawn Michaels.
Speaker 28: See over one hundred years ago, a great German philosopher.
Speaker 28: He said, in the act of fighting monsters and the procedure,
Speaker 28: be sure that you don't become a monster yourself. But
Speaker 28: in the Alamodome, I will have to be the monster.
Speaker 26: To take what is mine, to walk out the World.
Speaker 7: Wrestling Federation champion.
Speaker 26: And I think Sean Michaels would say the same thing.
Speaker 28: The battle progresses, and at the right moment, I reach out,
Speaker 28: shine and I have you by your throat.
Speaker 4: The look did you look gift to me.
Speaker 27: Will be obvious for over here it ring inside or
Speaker 27: be your mother, And once you will know that look too,
Speaker 27: and then all the way over here will.
Speaker 7: Be whole saved. He will know that look too, but
Speaker 7: this time he won't get on the apron.
Speaker 5: Because he knows better.
Speaker 39: And if someone told me that this section over here
Speaker 39: was gonna be nothing but your friends from your hometown,
Speaker 39: Seehan Michaels, but they will see that look too. And Jose,
Speaker 39: you are going to summon all the Mexicans from Mexico.
Speaker 11: And all above there, all above here, they will be
Speaker 11: seventy thousand of them.
Speaker 3: And even at the highest seat of the roof.
Speaker 26: That look, and that look, this says at all, this
Speaker 26: says Sid, You're a man.
Speaker 7: You're the master.
Speaker 14: And that was one several days out from the rumble,
Speaker 14: and then the morning of the Rumble on Superstars, this aired.
Speaker 40: No doubt, ladies and gentlemen, he is the most intimidating,
Speaker 40: the most imposing WWF champion of all time. At six nine,
Speaker 40: three hundred and thirteen pounds, indeed, he is an intimidator.
Speaker 40: But Sid, you're probably the only man that I can
Speaker 40: think of within thirty days to beat the Shawn Michaels
Speaker 40: at the Survivor series and then Brett Hart on December
Speaker 40: the fifteenth. In your house, Shawn Michaels, I talk to
Speaker 40: him earlier. Seems to be under obviously a great deal
Speaker 40: of pressure. But one would think, because you're in his hometown,
Speaker 40: that you too, sir, are under a great deal of
Speaker 40: pressure as well.
Speaker 5: See, you're right, Jim Ross.
Speaker 3: Everyone would have to say that the crushers on me.
Speaker 3: I am in your hometown, Sahn Michaels, I.
Speaker 5: Am the man, and the man feels no pressure.
Speaker 3: Let's go back to earlier today.
Speaker 27: Now, let's go back to Monday night roll when I
Speaker 27: said at the Animal Doome that the people would see
Speaker 27: it in your eyes were earlier today, Shahine Michaels, that
Speaker 27: was there that same and then I heard the excuses.
Speaker 5: I have few, I don't feel good excuses.
Speaker 9: Try to walk.
Speaker 11: Let's see Sehn Michaels at the Royal Rumbo when you
Speaker 11: enter the ring with me, then I finally get my head.
Speaker 41: Yeah, seventy suries. They will see the same look that
Speaker 41: you show.
Speaker 19: They will see the same look for fear.
Speaker 26: That you cannot be the man. Yeah, for I am
Speaker 26: the man, I am the master, I am the ruler.
Speaker 14: H Later on the Free for All, he came out
Speaker 14: with the belt resting on his shoulder before the people
Speaker 14: who had already filed in, and again apologized for what
Speaker 14: he was about to do. To sit in Jose Lethario
Speaker 14: and it's time for that walk boss to walk in
Speaker 14: to a packed Alamodome as w w F champion.
Speaker 8: Sewn Michaels, Ladies and gentlemen applauding this capacity crowd.
Speaker 4: And there, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8: There is the man if you would, there is the
Speaker 8: World Rustling Federation champion. You can hear this capacity crowd beginning.
Speaker 4: To view booreadder what they are viewing on this massive screen.
Speaker 8: Yes, this monster and someone say this great champion on
Speaker 8: his way to the square chuckle.
Speaker 4: He has indeed dominating the World Rustling.
Speaker 8: Federation as highest medal, defeating Sean Michael's defeating brown Hark.
Speaker 4: And that brings us to this Jr.
Speaker 14: This is Vince with one last flourishing what chifontimidating.
Speaker 21: More dominating peynacal champion.
Speaker 16: Ever s.
Speaker 4: Oh, it has come down to death.
Speaker 8: Shacko said, has his fans as well, Harry, the all
Speaker 8: them all gone?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 21: Fans them all out the United States over thirty states?
Speaker 3: Brief or patres are here?
Speaker 2: Sacha said, Yes, we'll have a scamandery a fans. I'm
Speaker 2: sure they will be very much.
Speaker 6: That's right.
Speaker 32: You know what, this is a brilliant move by sich
Speaker 32: Go Sin because I gotta tell you this, Sean Michael's
Speaker 32: ego is so big it needs its own sip coach.
Speaker 32: And when he sees even one from these over sixty
Speaker 32: thousand fans, Jerry.
Speaker 6: Fer said, that could blow his mind.
Speaker 2: You can see Sean Michael snap.
Speaker 4: I'll just keep this in mind said apologized and the
Speaker 4: free for All. He apologize for what he has to
Speaker 4: do tonight and the last time he apologize. Pete Lethario
Speaker 4: went through a table.
Speaker 8: Sid World Rustling Federation in Champion defeating Sean.
Speaker 13: Michael Fanam Square Garden.
Speaker 4: Half the survivors are and.
Speaker 2: I know where are they all at all?
Speaker 5: For Sean, it's just so disappointing kind of how, I
Speaker 5: don't know, like, you know, he really fizzled so fast
Speaker 5: as an interesting, badass bad guy. You're not feeling it there, No, no,
Speaker 5: I'm over it. Really interesting, like he it's interesting. It's
Speaker 5: kind of funny that his his promo work and his
Speaker 5: intensity were much more easy to get behind before he
Speaker 5: was champion. Yet when he becomes champion, he's uh, like
Speaker 5: he just suddenly becomes utterly worthless. True. I mean it's
Speaker 5: so you know, and I don't understand what about what
Speaker 5: it is that makes that change. It's like you're giving
Speaker 5: the belt, but why do you become different? Why do
Speaker 5: you become why does it become such a buffoon?
Speaker 14: Yeah, it's it's interesting, you know, casting is important. Casting
Speaker 14: is a skill. Casting as an art. Yeah, and in wrestling,
Speaker 14: guys whore just casting in the correct role or they're
Speaker 14: not and you only realize when they're taken out of
Speaker 14: that role that, Okay, they're not multifaceted enough to play
Speaker 14: any role. They can't they can't adjust, they can't be like, Okay,
Speaker 14: this is what I used to say. But now that
Speaker 14: I'm the champion, what the fans, The way the fans
Speaker 14: are going to look at me is going to change,
Speaker 14: and so the way I express myself and relate to
Speaker 14: them has to change. In that I have to create
Speaker 14: interest in my opponent. He doesn't create an interest in
Speaker 14: his opponent. He just sort of says the same thing
Speaker 14: that he said. He's got to be the menace at
Speaker 14: the door. He knows how to do that, which is
Speaker 14: why I actually put a little bit of credence and
Speaker 14: care and asked joking about you know, when they were
Speaker 14: going to give him the Hogan spot in ninety one.
Speaker 14: He says, what you need is a big, vicious heel,
Speaker 14: because he knows that doesn't quite know what to do
Speaker 14: if he is the title holder, that that's not really
Speaker 14: how he put himself in a position and make more
Speaker 14: money than he ever expected in the wrestling business, earlier
Speaker 14: than he ever would have expected. He's going to keep
Speaker 14: doing this, and you know what you get with Sid.
Speaker 5: It's like Andre. If Andre had a title reign, you know, like,
Speaker 5: what the fuck is he going to say with the belt? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean I guess you know, with Andre, you kind
Speaker 5: of have somebody else speak for him.
Speaker 14: But because Sid never had a program where his challenger
Speaker 14: was nipping at his heels and creating doubt, or a
Speaker 14: challenger who was in his facing, I'm taking that belt
Speaker 14: off you beyond Sean, which we'd already seen. We'd already
Speaker 14: seen the dynamic between Sid and Sean, right, but Sid
Speaker 14: didn't have a kind of run where he was able
Speaker 14: to prove that, like, no, I can spark interest in
Speaker 14: a challenger for my belt, and I know how to
Speaker 14: adjust what I'm doing and how I'm reacting to make
Speaker 14: this other person feel like they're rising to my level
Speaker 14: and that I need to be worried about them and
Speaker 14: therefore elevate them in the process. There really wasn't that.
Speaker 14: He just came out, to your point, said the same
Speaker 14: things he used to say now going into Royal Rumble
Speaker 14: nineteen ninety seven, as someone who was rather mortified at
Speaker 14: the crowd reaction at Survivor's Series nineteen ninety six, do
Speaker 14: you remember feeling like this was justice was done and
Speaker 14: all was right with the world again when Shawn wins
Speaker 14: and you know, storybook fashion, you.
Speaker 5: Know, when Sean won the title back, it actually felt weird. Yes,
Speaker 5: it did. It actually felt like it was I could
Speaker 5: only the only equivalent championship run that I can think
Speaker 5: of right now is when Flair won the title back
Speaker 5: in ninety two, because both Flair and Sean had lost
Speaker 5: the titles in such big fashion, splashy. Yeah, it just
Speaker 5: didn't feel like I couldn't. It was like, there is
Speaker 5: I don't feel it. I don't feel like they're champion anymore,
Speaker 5: right right, All it really.
Speaker 14: Did was kind of cheap, and the feeling of the
Speaker 14: first title reign like I kind of felt stupid for
Speaker 14: being as over the top excited that Randy Savage pinned
Speaker 14: mc flair at WrestleMania when Flair just won the belt
Speaker 14: a few months back.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it just, yeah, I don't know, there was there
Speaker 5: was something about it. It just didn't I mean, I
Speaker 5: knew that Sean was going to win, you know, I
Speaker 5: mean it was such a foregone conclusion, but it just
Speaker 5: didn't feel real. Yeah, it felt like that whole those
Speaker 5: those few weeks that he held the belt again, it
Speaker 5: was just so like, Wow, Sean Michaels is champion again.
Speaker 5: It's so weird.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, it's I don't know what all what allegory
Speaker 14: to make what well, what the similar situation is. I
Speaker 14: don't know, it's it's an analogy is tough because it's
Speaker 14: like I'm trying to think of like in television, like
Speaker 14: you know, after a show Cross that jumps the shark.
Speaker 14: It's kind of hard not saying Sean jump the shark.
Speaker 14: But it's like, really, you just want us to go
Speaker 14: right back to feeling about Sean the way we felt
Speaker 14: before Survivor series.
Speaker 5: Right, and there was no you know, especially with Sean
Speaker 5: because he he'd been playing that that tweener character.
Speaker 14: Yeah, we we had an ambivalent feeling for a month
Speaker 14: towards him in Bivlin feelings Brett hadn't turned fully heel
Speaker 14: and yet he's he's he's trying to beat the shit
Speaker 14: out of Brett Hart.
Speaker 5: And yeah, you know, it was a weird.
Speaker 14: There was a weird kind of like dissonance going on
Speaker 14: with him because he still had to be the hometown
Speaker 14: hero because the show was in San Antonio. If The
Speaker 14: Road Rumble ninety seven was in fucking Indianapolis, I'm sure
Speaker 14: we wouldn't have felt so weird about this title win
Speaker 14: for Shawn Michaels. But he was making adjustments he felt
Speaker 14: he had to make after Survivor series, all while heading
Speaker 14: into a show where he had to be the Shawn
Speaker 14: Michaels he was before those adjustments, and when he wins
Speaker 14: the belt, it is kind of like, okay, where are
Speaker 14: we going now? Like am I supposed to feel like
Speaker 14: Sid is never going to get him? Try to get
Speaker 14: the belt back?
Speaker 16: You know?
Speaker 5: Sid?
Speaker 14: Just now an afterthought? Yeah, the matter was okay. He
Speaker 14: was one of Sid's better ones, But again it falls
Speaker 14: into that category. Even if you can think of big
Speaker 14: studio stadium shows that Sid was on, it's like what
Speaker 14: came of it?
Speaker 5: You know what?
Speaker 15: What?
Speaker 14: What's the legacy? Do people look back on that show
Speaker 14: and say, my god, did Sid rise to that occasion? No,
Speaker 14: it was just like he was window dressing almost in.
Speaker 5: A weird way. Though it does make me wonder, like
Speaker 5: what the fucking I mean, granted they didn't know where
Speaker 5: they were going, you know, there was so much change
Speaker 5: going on, but part of me is like, I wish
Speaker 5: they'd just let it, you know, let let Sid just
Speaker 5: stay champion. I wonder what that have happened. I mean,
Speaker 5: there were have been a lot of stuff that would
Speaker 5: not have happened that were crucial right in regards to
Speaker 5: really the future of the company. You know, like you
Speaker 5: wouldn't have had the Brett Hart Sid moment that we're
Speaker 5: highlighting here, yea, And.
Speaker 14: It's it is it turned out to a great moment,
Speaker 14: but really what it is, it's like if you're going
Speaker 14: to pick a show that that that fits a SID
Speaker 14: tribute and you'd already done Survivors series ninety six, this
Speaker 14: is his other title, Wind makes sense right.
Speaker 5: Right, But what I mean, it's it's like it's just
Speaker 5: what I'm saying though, is is it's like, it's it's
Speaker 5: just a you could I would have liked to have actually,
Speaker 5: you know, given how it all played out and given
Speaker 5: how weak it was that Shawn Michaels kind of wanted back.
Speaker 5: It makes me think when I would have liked to
Speaker 5: I wonder what it would have been like for Sid
Speaker 5: to go from Survivor Series to WrestleManias Champion, but so
Speaker 5: much would have been lost in that. I think we
Speaker 5: already got a little flavor of what would have happened.
Speaker 5: He would have just yeah, I mean, it would have sucked.
Speaker 5: It would have sucked. I don't think he would have
Speaker 5: gotten more exciting. I think, I mean, in a weird way,
Speaker 5: it's like, why the fuck did he you know, like
Speaker 5: why even give him the championship? Like why, I mean,
Speaker 5: I know that Sean Miami. I guess it's like it's
Speaker 5: a weird one of those things where you never really
Speaker 5: you know, Sean wasn't doing great and you need to
Speaker 5: get the belt off and to kind of, you know,
Speaker 5: let him be refreshed.
Speaker 14: But I think they really got the belt off him
Speaker 14: because they wanted him to win the belt in San Antonio,
Speaker 14: and it was like, yeah, whoever he crossed paths with
Speaker 14: the Survivor Series was probably going to take it off
Speaker 14: of him. That's what's always been my impression.
Speaker 5: It's just like, but why, Like it just seems I mean,
Speaker 5: I guess winning it back is a big deal, but
Speaker 5: I don't know, it just seems weird.
Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah it didn't. They didn't account before in that
Speaker 14: planning that the person who beat Sean at Survivors Series
Speaker 14: he would end up capturing the narrative, you know, and
Speaker 14: being the talking point. It was a bigger deal that
Speaker 14: Sid won the belt than Sean lost the belt, and
Speaker 14: I don't think they count counted on that at all.
Speaker 5: It'd be like Hulk.
Speaker 14: Losing the belt to Warrior. Yeah, it was a big
Speaker 14: deal Warrior won the belt, but it was clearly a
Speaker 14: bigger deal that Hogan lost the belt, especially in retrospect.
Speaker 14: This was not the case for Survivor Series. So during
Speaker 14: the course of the match, in the Almo dumb Sean
Speaker 14: hits Sid with a camera, a television camera to get
Speaker 14: revenge on that front and hit some of the chin music,
Speaker 14: and you know, they do the whole thing. The kid
Speaker 14: came home and he won the WBF title with mom
Speaker 14: and dad in the front row, et cetera. The next
Speaker 14: night on Raw, Brett's out complaining again because remember he
Speaker 14: got screwed out of the Rumble match itself when Steve
Speaker 14: Boston was kind of hiding out and threw him out
Speaker 14: at the ends. So he's complaining about everything to Vince
Speaker 14: McMahon at ringside and Sean about how Sean being on
Speaker 14: commentary at its time when he had a title shot
Speaker 14: against Sid was a problem and getting a chance at
Speaker 14: the Brumble and he won, but then Stone cold screwed
Speaker 14: him and the people were with him, and then he quits,
Speaker 14: and he quits in Vince's face right here on Raw
Speaker 14: the night after Royal Rumble, and Vince's you know, he's
Speaker 14: out there as the company owner, not just the announcer man.
Speaker 5: I thought it was legit. Do you really remember this? Yeah, yep,
Speaker 5: I thought it was legit.
Speaker 16: I was.
Speaker 5: And again, you know, I was so paranoid at this point,
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, of WSW getting all these guys, and so
Speaker 5: was Vince. I was like, right right, and it just freaked.
Speaker 14: Me as paranoid because he knew you as a lifelong
Speaker 14: WWF fanly paranoid out there. And so he's looking nervous,
Speaker 14: and Vince is like, Brett, don't do this, like under
Speaker 14: his breath, as if like he's like shooting with the guy.
Speaker 14: And then Gorilla non Soon, who is still WWF president,
Speaker 14: makes the fatal four way man event for the February
Speaker 14: pay per view, and Brett returns, he doesn't quit. He
Speaker 14: comes back on that episode of Raw to attack Stone
Speaker 14: Cold Steve Austin to hand him a little taste of
Speaker 14: his own medicine blindside Attack, and then they this is
Speaker 14: where they announced that coming up on this special Thursday,
Speaker 14: Raw Thursday, it's going to be Shawn Michaels versus Sid
Speaker 14: the rubber match for the WWF Championship. And to hear
Speaker 14: Sid put it, as we heard in the shoot interview excerpt,
Speaker 14: he was to win the belt back on Thursday Raw
Speaker 14: Thursday from Seawn. And you have Sean saying you know what, Yes, Sid,
Speaker 14: he gave me a shot after I lost to you.
Speaker 14: It's only fair I give you a shot after I
Speaker 14: beat you. And then suddenly Undertaker speaks up and he
Speaker 14: starts saying it's time that that title goes to the
Speaker 14: dark side, and he says I will now be the Hunter.
Speaker 14: So I feel like the night after Royal Rumble, it's
Speaker 14: now clear what WrestleMania thirteen is going to be. Yeah,
Speaker 14: and this is even before Sean tweaks his knee. I
Speaker 14: think they shifted from Shawn Brett for the title, SID
Speaker 14: Undertaker non title to sid Taker title. Sean Brett non title.
Speaker 14: That's what it seems like to me, because Steve Austin
Speaker 14: is still not on track to wrestle Brett, even though
Speaker 14: they're still beating the shit out of each other, He's
Speaker 14: interacting with Bulldog in such a way that it becomes
Speaker 14: clear that that's going to be the match. So here
Speaker 14: is Sid's promo before that, faithful as it turned out.
Speaker 14: Thursday Raw, Thursday broadcast. This is on February third, nineteen
Speaker 14: ninety seven. And what's significant about this edition of Monday
Speaker 14: Night Roboss. It is the first two hour Raw.
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Speaker 14: So again, Sid is in the crosshairs of all these
Speaker 14: changes that they're making and all these adjustments that they're
Speaker 14: making to their presentation, trying to catch up to w CW.
Speaker 14: And here's what Sid said on that first two hour Raw.
Speaker 21: Psycho Sid, I'm gonna ask you a question about the
Speaker 21: WWF canda before we do it. All started the Survivor series.
Speaker 21: You walked into Madison Square Garden and you became.
Speaker 13: The World Wrestling Federation Champion. And then in less than
Speaker 13: thirty days you went to West.
Speaker 21: Palm Beach, Florida, and you beat a legend and breadth
Speaker 21: they hit man Heart, but it all ended for you
Speaker 21: at the Royal Rumble.
Speaker 4: Fate is a funny game.
Speaker 21: So what I want to ask you right now in
Speaker 21: your gut, in your gut, said, what do you feel?
Speaker 4: What do you really feel personally.
Speaker 21: About the WWF champion? Sean Michaels.
Speaker 3: See, I've heard Shot say it himself. The relationship then
Speaker 3: that I have, it's a weird one.
Speaker 4: They can roller.
Speaker 11: Coaster up and down listally, physically and emotionally.
Speaker 3: You can say it's a friendship.
Speaker 30: Baby on the edge of madness.
Speaker 3: We'll say that.
Speaker 11: I feel safe to say that. Even Shine Michaels will
Speaker 11: agree that evil is just that it is evil.
Speaker 3: That's sometimes we mistaken it for happiness.
Speaker 30: Maybe in my case.
Speaker 5: Evil showed up its survivor serious.
Speaker 39: In the your case, Shine Michaels, maybe evil showed up
Speaker 39: at the roll Rumble.
Speaker 3: But when this roller coast, the ride is overshone.
Speaker 16: When it is over, it has time up and that
Speaker 16: has come down and the rod comes to a halt.
Speaker 2: In the smoke.
Speaker 3: Clears, I won't be standing the man. I won't be
Speaker 3: standing a man.
Speaker 2: In the Master.
Speaker 4: In the rule. Oh my goodness on Royal.
Speaker 8: In twenty seconds, ladies and gentlemen, we will speak with
Speaker 8: the tag team champions Bullog again.
Speaker 14: Oh so that's the last promo he does before Thursday,
Speaker 14: Raw Thursday. And you would think that, you know, it's
Speaker 14: always a question to me, like when was it clear
Speaker 14: that this was off the rails? When was it clear
Speaker 14: that it wasn't to be Sean versus Sin on the show,
Speaker 14: and that Sean fact only wouldn't wrestle on Thursday, Raw Thursday,
Speaker 14: but relinquish the title well as of the Superstars in
Speaker 14: the morning of.
Speaker 5: And this is not live.
Speaker 14: This is in the can so you can't read too
Speaker 14: much into it. But they didn't take the time to
Speaker 14: edit it out, which says, I guess something in its
Speaker 14: own way. Shawn Michaels is on Superstars the week before Thursday,
Speaker 14: a Raw Thursday, and has this to say about Sid
Speaker 14: and Man. Everything just seems on the rails this.
Speaker 37: Thursday Live at Thursday Raw Thursday, you are gonna have
Speaker 37: an awesome challenge when you defend your World Wrestling Federation
Speaker 37: title against the man you wanted from Psycho Sid.
Speaker 4: Well, you know something, Psycho sid.
Speaker 16: Was man enough to give Seawn Michaels a rematch after
Speaker 16: Survivor Series.
Speaker 4: So Sid, I'm gonna.
Speaker 2: Turn around and do you the same favor you did.
Speaker 16: Me, because Sid, there are four other guys here in
Speaker 16: the World Wrestling Federation that are just aching to get
Speaker 16: a shot at this belt. The World Wrestling Federation Championship
Speaker 16: as of late, has brought out the Monster and all
Speaker 16: the superstars of the World Wrestling Federation were show and
Speaker 16: he's ever been. It's made Stone Cold, much colder than
Speaker 16: he ever thought he could have been. It's named Vader, Well,
Speaker 16: it's Nde Vader Vader and now the man from the
Speaker 16: Dark Side feels like he has gotten the shaft one
Speaker 16: too many times, and the Undertaker now wants a shot
Speaker 16: at the World Wrestling Fedation Championship. And then, of course
Speaker 16: there is a hit man, Brett Hart, who, even though
Speaker 16: he quits on lot of TV, complains online TV, makes
Speaker 16: excuses on TV, does not want to be referred to
Speaker 16: as any of those things.
Speaker 4: So I won't do it. But regardless of what Prett.
Speaker 16: Says he wants to be the World Wrestling Federation Champion
Speaker 16: more than anything. I said, the question is who will
Speaker 16: go to WrestleMania to defend that title.
Speaker 6: Will it be you or will it be me?
Speaker 3: And on Thursday, Rob.
Speaker 16: Thursday said, the entire world on WA thirteen is gonna
Speaker 16: find out who the man is in the World Wrestling
Speaker 16: Federation and who the man is that will go to WrestleMania.
Speaker 16: And I want sid, I want the fans to the
Speaker 16: World Wrestling Federation, and I want those four superstars, and
Speaker 16: I want the entire world to know that there's been
Speaker 16: one thing synonymous with WrestleMania and the ma I WrestleMania
Speaker 16: over the last.
Speaker 30: Few years, and it's called not So the year.
Speaker 16: Candidate Heartbreak Kid Sewn michaels So said Cresh just short
Speaker 16: on Thursday, Wrong Thursday, you will get another chance at
Speaker 16: the World Wrestling Federation Championship. Shawn Michael's the Heartbreak Kid
Speaker 16: will be until he deems differently the World Wrestling Federation Champion.
Speaker 14: Yeah, until he deems differently. Indeed, I would love to
Speaker 14: know what the finish was originally supposed to be between
Speaker 14: Shawn and said on this show, sitting here realizing I
Speaker 14: don't know that. I know Sid was supposed to win
Speaker 14: it back, according to Sid, But how was Brett to
Speaker 14: interfere with Sean just going to go in there and
Speaker 14: lose it clean? I said, how doubt it?
Speaker 5: Sid was going to win it back anyway, That's what
Speaker 5: Sid said. It's very fucking It's very strange.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's almost like Sean agreed to it knowing it
Speaker 5: wouldn't ever ever get there. Yeah, it seems kind of bogus.
Speaker 14: But you know, all of that promo work they did,
Speaker 14: and the first thing you see when you tune into
Speaker 14: that Thursday Raw Thursday is Shawn is going to forfeit
Speaker 14: the belt. They make the announcement, It's like what and
Speaker 14: he comes out and he starts talking about, Yeah.
Speaker 5: What did you think when that happened? I was because
Speaker 5: like I didn't again, I didn't know.
Speaker 14: I mean, I was willing to believe that he had
Speaker 14: a knee injury, you know, I was willing to believe
Speaker 14: that just because he was so hard felt in the promo.
Speaker 14: It was like, yeah, this guy does not want to
Speaker 14: relinquish the belt right now. This is the worst possible
Speaker 14: time for an injury. Like this and that does happen,
Speaker 14: and he was limping like hell. It was only in
Speaker 14: retrospect that you had the cynicism because he never got surgery,
Speaker 14: although he's a serious surgery. And then when he comes back,
Speaker 14: like in June, he's backflipping all over the place. I
Speaker 14: remember remember that that raw where he wins tag titles
Speaker 14: with with Stone Cold. He comes back, has like a
Speaker 14: five star magic and Stone and he's like doing all
Speaker 14: these things to almost rub it in people's face that
Speaker 14: his knee was never really hurt.
Speaker 5: That was always my impression of it. Maybe, but it's
Speaker 5: just so weird, like I can imagine it's just a
Speaker 5: shocking thing that all of a sudden, Yeah, it seemed
Speaker 5: really sad. I bought into it for sure, because I
Speaker 5: just everything happen, like I said, everything happened to me,
Speaker 5: and such a such a a a it was such
Speaker 5: a big so much happened in so little time that
Speaker 5: I didn't really have a chance to process what it
Speaker 5: was like to experience that, like Sean Michael's just relinquishing
Speaker 5: the bell out of nowhere.
Speaker 14: It definitely it didn't I don't remember. And I was
Speaker 14: somewhat plugged into like online gossip about wrestling at that time,
Speaker 14: but it didn't really register with me as all, this
Speaker 14: guy doesn't want to drop the strap. It didn't because
Speaker 14: I didn't really have the context of knowing that they
Speaker 14: were going to go with Shawn and bretton the rematch
Speaker 14: at WrestleMania. It hadn't been made as apparent as I
Speaker 14: think people thought without reading the sheets, so it was like, Okay,
Speaker 14: this is this is a horrible turn of events. I
Speaker 14: don't even remember really going into that Thursday Raw Thursday
Speaker 14: having it really sunk in that he was going to
Speaker 14: defend the belt against sid on the show. Yeah, I
Speaker 14: remember even feeling like that was a key feature of it,
Speaker 14: but it was because they wanted to draw rating on
Speaker 14: an off night, and putting a title match of that
Speaker 14: caliber on there would probably be the best they could
Speaker 14: do to get that. And for sure he comes out,
Speaker 14: he starts talking about being told he can't wrestle again maybe,
Speaker 14: and they're chanting, we want sid in Lowell. They're jenning
Speaker 14: we want sid at the guy Jesus, And this is
Speaker 14: where a Grilla Monsoon announces that the final four winner
Speaker 14: at the pay per view will be ww champion. As
Speaker 14: a matter of fact, and what does this leave Sid?
Speaker 14: They ask, He'll get his chance Monday in Nashville, as
Speaker 14: they announced that Sid, in fact, we'll be wrestling the
Speaker 14: winner of the final four match for the championship on
Speaker 14: the February seventeenth raw. As for the third mass, absolutely so.
Speaker 14: Sean does the whole heartfelt speech, leaves the belt in
Speaker 14: the ring with Vince and says I'm going to go
Speaker 14: home now. And somewhere along the way, I lost my
Speaker 14: smile with the stubble and the tears and he looks
Speaker 14: like he hasn't slept and all that, and the main
Speaker 14: event of Thursday rought Thursday's mentioned with Stone Cold Steve
Speaker 14: Austin versus Sid, and Austin is rabid and they're chanting
Speaker 14: for Austin. You want some of the earliest kind of
Speaker 14: green shoots. Yeah, I'm sure the fans too are kind
Speaker 14: of like throwing up their hands like fuck, Like we
Speaker 14: were supposed to invest in Sean, We're supposed to invest
Speaker 14: in Sid. Look what's going on here? Austin's consistent. You know,
Speaker 14: Austin keeps showing up, kicking ass. Austin keeps showing up
Speaker 14: to an awesome shit on television. Well, we're with this guy.
Speaker 14: You know, if we don't know who to get behind,
Speaker 14: because shit is so impermanent, let's go with him. So
Speaker 14: he's out there, they're chanting for him, and Brett hits
Speaker 14: the ring and attacks Austin. And now it's very clear,
Speaker 14: I think, on the night where they have to grapple
Speaker 14: with the fact that Sean is going to relinquish the
Speaker 14: belt and not wrestle at WrestleMania at all, it seems
Speaker 14: like they immediately kick it into a higher gear between
Speaker 14: Brett and Steve Austin, and the decision is clearly now made,
Speaker 14: at least in my mind, that that's going to be
Speaker 14: a feature traction match at WrestleMania. Yeah, Breton Sid also
Speaker 14: tussle a bit because you got to keep the heat
Speaker 14: between those two because you know, the night after Final
Speaker 14: four it's going to be Breton Sid for the championship.
Speaker 14: So the Final four pay per view comes and we
Speaker 14: of course have done it in the archives. Is part
Speaker 14: of the nineteen ninety seven journey, and Sid was in
Speaker 14: fact on hand, even though he didn't wrestle on the show,
Speaker 14: but as telegraph there it's been told to the fans
Speaker 14: and everybody that Sid's going to face the winner. And
Speaker 14: here's some remarks Sid himself had to make at Final
Speaker 14: four in your house.
Speaker 42: Stee Boston, the undertaker of the man they call Vader,
Speaker 42: whoever wins, knows that tomorrow night they have to go
Speaker 42: right in and on Monday night, Raw face this man.
Speaker 42: He looks like he's ready to go right now, Psycho
Speaker 42: Sid a little bit more than twenty four hours away.
Speaker 4: That's not too much time.
Speaker 21: Time.
Speaker 3: Time is the one I did not want to air.
Speaker 3: See time way out for you, Seawn Michaels.
Speaker 11: And yes I am sad for you, but I did
Speaker 11: not get my SAIDs they get my belt back on
Speaker 11: Thursday nights.
Speaker 3: You see time, Sometimes it turns out to be funny.
Speaker 11: This time it's a regular old it's something different.
Speaker 30: So my time will come. Want to beginning?
Speaker 3: You ot a new time for Monday night.
Speaker 2: Row excuse me what.
Speaker 7: He'll be paid by the winner of the Final four?
Speaker 43: You have to make demand? Yeah, and then it is time.
Speaker 43: It is time to give me back what is mine?
Speaker 43: I am a master in the.
Speaker 5: New time he's referring to. Is they move Raw back? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I guess. But what the fuck man like he's he
Speaker 5: he just I don't.
Speaker 15: I.
Speaker 5: I mean, he definitely sounds psycholo.
Speaker 14: That now, But when he comes to that line again,
Speaker 14: it's like, oh my god, he's that's all he's got.
Speaker 14: He's doing the Master and.
Speaker 5: He just doesn't know how to fucking say a cohesive sentence.
Speaker 16: That was.
Speaker 14: That was one of the worst ones, as it was
Speaker 14: clear that he got direction to try to draw attention
Speaker 14: to the fact that ra'z going to move to nine
Speaker 14: to eleven if he had to head for two hours
Speaker 14: with Nitro instead of seeding that ten to eleven to them.
Speaker 14: But so bizarre Brett Win's the fatal four way clotheslining
Speaker 14: Undertaker out or was it Austin I don't remember.
Speaker 5: Now it was Undertake here. Austin was out early. It
Speaker 5: did a match where he was the first. He was
Speaker 5: the first one out, first one out right.
Speaker 14: It was elimination style and over the top to the
Speaker 14: floor counted like a rumble for god knows what reason.
Speaker 5: Well, remember it wasn't just elimination style. It had a
Speaker 5: number of things.
Speaker 16: It was.
Speaker 5: It was you could either win by tossing somebody over
Speaker 5: the top or pin or make them submit, and nobody
Speaker 5: did the pinner submit. It was just over the top rope.
Speaker 5: It was such a weird like it was very reminiscent
Speaker 5: of those of the of the Rumbles of No Mercy. Yes,
Speaker 5: you know where you could have the different the winning
Speaker 5: you know, or elimination combinations, but they never did any
Speaker 5: of them except for over the top rope, Yeah, which
Speaker 5: I just don't understand.
Speaker 14: That's if they re ran the Royal Rumble almost with
Speaker 14: just four guys. And so, of course Brett wins the
Speaker 14: championship here on the show, and Sid comes out at
Speaker 14: the end to confront him, setting up Nashville the next
Speaker 14: night Live on Monday Night Raw, February seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 14: That'll be the subject of our deep dive here next time.
Speaker 14: And with that on the horizon, we're just going to
Speaker 14: quickly tie it up with a bow. What happens after
Speaker 14: that Raw as regards Sid and what becomes of the
Speaker 14: WWF title reign that begins the second one. The night
Speaker 14: after Final four, they go out to Berlin. This is
Speaker 14: the last edition of Raw that's not called Raw is War,
Speaker 14: and they tape television out there, including the European Tournament
Speaker 14: final where Davey Burl wins the belt from Owen to
Speaker 14: become the first European champion, and also on that show
Speaker 14: in Berlin, Sid as champion versus Mankind. That's pretty much
Speaker 14: the only time I think Sid worked mcfoley on television
Speaker 14: as champion. You're right, and here's what he has to say.
Speaker 14: I'm pretty much like, I don't know. It kind of
Speaker 14: feels like the only Raw where he was championed again
Speaker 14: before losing it, Undertaker, it really wasn't. But here's what
Speaker 14: he has to say on that on that Berlin edition
Speaker 14: of Raw before Raw well becomes War.
Speaker 4: Any other surprises you think man Kind's going offer.
Speaker 11: Listen to me, Mankind, I can hear you lost up.
Speaker 19: All your German language.
Speaker 7: But what you should have done, you should have gotten
Speaker 7: ready for the game.
Speaker 3: Because the game we play is simple to manor.
Speaker 7: Playing.
Speaker 16: I am the master, and you have to find out
Speaker 16: the hard way, because then you come another symbol.
Speaker 26: Of one of my many victories to WrestleMania.
Speaker 7: Do you, Undertaker, to the dark side, to the drug side?
Speaker 7: I go, and you what would come? Another police side
Speaker 7: of my victories? Because I am a man, I am
Speaker 7: the master. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 13: To take it vers of Psycho sit So many but man.
Speaker 5: God, last time we'd hear that raw music right there,
Speaker 5: that's trus track. That's true.
Speaker 14: And Vince Call, said one of the great WWF champions,
Speaker 14: on his walk to the ring to face mankind on
Speaker 14: this edition of Monday Night Raw. The next week, Raw
Speaker 14: is indeed War. They set up a new stage with
Speaker 14: a graded kind of rampway and a huge ass Titan Tron.
Speaker 14: They don't switch out the aprons though. The aprons are
Speaker 14: still that original blue with the white stencil WWF logo
Speaker 14: on it. Yeah, and they haven't transitioned yet to the
Speaker 14: Attitude Scratch logo. There's still the yellow kid friendly logo
Speaker 14: on the lower left. But the show is starting to
Speaker 14: look a little more intense. And yes, you remember the
Speaker 14: original Ra's War opening that they filmed with the explosions
Speaker 14: inside that fact, Oh.
Speaker 17: I love it.
Speaker 5: And they fucking they're fighting on the roof of Titan Towers.
Speaker 14: The roof of Titan Towers was the ninety five one,
Speaker 14: but I'm not sure this This was more like a factory.
Speaker 14: It kind of it pans down into like.
Speaker 5: They did both. Let don't have that one in two. No,
Speaker 5: I guess maybe you're a different one. But it's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 5: I mean it's all like it's all fucking metal, uh,
Speaker 5: you know, fucking steel cans exploding and shit and barrels, barrels.
Speaker 14: It's like the ones like les encampments would have fires
Speaker 14: in and stuff. Right right, you have these huge doors
Speaker 14: swing open, and Steve Austin is the choice for the
Speaker 14: guy to walk through those doors, and he's one. He's
Speaker 14: the one power walking as things explode and fire off.
Speaker 14: And there's like scenes of these stars being projected under
Speaker 14: the screen and barking dogs. And one of the things
Speaker 14: they did was put a bunch of guys in a
Speaker 14: ring with like fire everywhere and had them just brawl
Speaker 14: it out like this generic brawl happening, and Sid was
Speaker 14: in there with his leather vest, brawling with I think
Speaker 14: Brett Hart, and it was funny. For years after Sid
Speaker 14: left the WWF, he was still in that opening montage
Speaker 14: because he was part of that brawling scene. And tonight
Speaker 14: Ro's war on Peacock. Of course, the image of the
Speaker 14: show is bloody Steve Austin for Mestlemania thirteen, before that
Speaker 14: match had even happened in the chronology, So God bless
Speaker 14: those folks over there. But but you know, it's that's
Speaker 14: what Peacock's fault is. It is the fact that.
Speaker 5: You can't forget this. What was the original Raw is
Speaker 5: War theme song? It wasn't. It wasn't too many guns
Speaker 5: and not enough? What was it? I don't remember? What
Speaker 5: was Beautiful People by Marilyn Manson? Wasn't really remember that?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, I do, I do, I do vaguely.
Speaker 14: Music that they had to pay for. And while it
Speaker 14: probably felt like a smart investment to get this new
Speaker 14: concept of Raw off the ground, pretty soon they stopped
Speaker 14: paying for it and went to the Raw is War
Speaker 14: that we would know for years and years and years
Speaker 14: during the Attitude era. But the problem is would that
Speaker 14: I think with that change over in the music, they
Speaker 14: also had to swap out the opening montage for the
Speaker 14: one that they created after they stopped using the Marilyn
Speaker 14: Manson music. So you go to these Peacocks Archives episodes
Speaker 14: before Steve Austin ever bleeds against Brett WrestleMania, and you
Speaker 14: still see that freeze frame during the open of Raw
Speaker 14: because they swapped it out on those Archives episodes.
Speaker 5: That happen.
Speaker 14: Looking at and like I said, who kicks off the
Speaker 14: first ever raw is war sid said.
Speaker 21: Psycho said, I understand that you have had several meetings
Speaker 21: with ww OF officials and that you are somewhat reluctant
Speaker 21: to join Porza's tonight with the Undertaker.
Speaker 16: What's the story, Jim Ross, You and everybody included must
Speaker 16: think of something kind of fool something. I'm gonna tell
Speaker 16: you something, Undertaker.
Speaker 30: I know when pull bears around it was mankind of vader.
Speaker 30: I smell something.
Speaker 5: Yes you do, see, yes you do.
Speaker 2: You'd be right in man.
Speaker 30: So what I'm gonna do is this I've thought of
Speaker 30: that I am not gonna fall for your.
Speaker 16: Trap, Undertaker, because of WrestleMania.
Speaker 3: You will fall victim have.
Speaker 16: Become another symbol of one of my victories as the
Speaker 16: World Wrestling Fairly said champions.
Speaker 4: Like said, refusing to join forces. That's the Undertaker.
Speaker 16: What you need to do tonight, Undertaker, and maybe even
Speaker 16: for the rest of your career, is you stay in
Speaker 16: the cemetery where you belong, because after WrestleMania.
Speaker 30: That's where I will put you once and for good.
Speaker 2: What about you? Oh, we are.
Speaker 5: Thirteen days away, once and for good, for good? What
Speaker 5: the fuck is wrong with him? How does he just
Speaker 5: get so stupid. How does he get so stupid and
Speaker 5: yet be such a smart businessman? Apparently? Yeah.
Speaker 14: So later on the show, Taker and Sid do team up.
Speaker 14: They end up fighting each other and there's choke slams,
Speaker 14: and this is one of the first times you see
Speaker 14: take Er do that huge dive where he clears the
Speaker 14: top rope. He does that really because everyone comes out
Speaker 14: right shake it up, and then Sid ends up power
Speaker 14: bombing Undertaker. So the hype is on for that WrestleMania
Speaker 14: main event on the March seventeenth, nineteen ninety seven Raw.
Speaker 14: This is a historic one. This is Brett Hart versus
Speaker 14: Sid in the cage for the WWF title, and they
Speaker 14: go back and forth about whether the match will be
Speaker 14: for the title that night. Guerrilla Monsoon finally decides yes,
Speaker 14: it will be Bretdheart's new motto in the World Wresting Federation.
Speaker 14: He says, you scratch my back.
Speaker 5: Well, what's the second half? Seems like there's a new
Speaker 5: motto in the World Wrestling Federation. I'll screw yours. You
Speaker 5: scratch my back and I'll stab yours. I'll stab yours.
Speaker 14: Jesus Christ, remember remember Sean walking away with a small
Speaker 14: you know tears running down his face and limping.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Two weeks later, he's back on Raw and he's not hobbling,
Speaker 14: he's not hobbling, and he's dressed like Don Johnson brought
Speaker 14: Miami Vice. I mean, what the fuck, guys, no wonder
Speaker 14: people said this. I mean two weeks later he's on Raw,
Speaker 14: prancing around and.
Speaker 5: Part of the mix.
Speaker 14: Part of the mix they're hype in WrestleMania, and he's
Speaker 14: standing there. He's in frame, So Shawn in play again.
Speaker 14: I'm sure they didn't even fucking know. But this is
Speaker 14: a famous one because they extend the window. Raw does
Speaker 14: an overrun like for the first time, and they do
Speaker 14: this usually controversial for the time angle after the matchup.
Speaker 14: But before we get there, one last promo as champion
Speaker 14: on Raw before he loses it to Undertaker at WrestleMania.
Speaker 5: Here is sid be Constructed.
Speaker 13: Psycho said, are you ready for Brett?
Speaker 4: They hit man Heart.
Speaker 11: Ready, miss big Back, go Stave Austin be Rediy, you
Speaker 11: asked out of my business?
Speaker 3: Did I know why you're here?
Speaker 30: And you would have to be a complete idiot to
Speaker 30: know what you're up to.
Speaker 11: But tonight I am going to take red Hawk and
Speaker 11: I'm going to power upon him.
Speaker 19: Right through the floor, and I will walk out the.
Speaker 3: World Wrestling Federation Champion.
Speaker 11: One reason why, because I am the man, and I
Speaker 11: am the Master, and I am the ruler of the world.
Speaker 14: So Sid hits the ring, takes a minute to admire
Speaker 14: that sparkling SID sign, which I feel like is such
Speaker 14: an underrated part of why he's so fondly remembered.
Speaker 5: Oh, I agree, I agree. That was huge because he
Speaker 5: you know, he actually uh, it's funny because the Warrior
Speaker 5: was doing that and then they gave it to said, Yeah.
Speaker 14: They probably just like took a few pieces off the
Speaker 14: Warrior's logo so it's spelled Sid instead.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's true. That's huge.
Speaker 14: That's such a great entrance here with that thing, and
Speaker 14: Undertaker and Steve Austin are trying to get their man
Speaker 14: the title so they can go forward at Mania. Remember
Speaker 14: that that was like the I do you know if
Speaker 14: I do remember that wins.
Speaker 5: It was was so weird because, you know, because because
Speaker 5: the way that the championship was so sloppily done, not
Speaker 5: not I don't mean like in the way that but
Speaker 5: the fact that it was. It was you know because
Speaker 5: back in the day you know, they the whole thing
Speaker 5: was whoever wins the Royal Rumble faces whoever's champion, it
Speaker 5: doesn't matter, you know, you know, if if it's Brett Hart,
Speaker 5: doesn't matter, if it's Undertake, it doesn't matter. The winner
Speaker 5: gets the title match. But because there was no winner
Speaker 5: of the rumble, you know, the whole rumble scenario was
Speaker 5: so just wasn't valid anymore. It was interesting because it
Speaker 5: actually made it, you know, it actually made that possible
Speaker 5: where you know, where one the championship would then get,
Speaker 5: you know, they would have their match be for the
Speaker 5: title at at WrestleMania. It was very interesting.
Speaker 14: Yeah, your match was your match before they knew who
Speaker 14: the champ was going to be, right right, as opposed
Speaker 14: to one guy's going to challenge no matter who comes
Speaker 14: in champion. And so you have Steve Austin ironically trying
Speaker 14: to help Brett win the cage match against Sid so
Speaker 14: he could get a title shot, and you have Undertaker
Speaker 14: trying to help Sid so he could get a title shot. Yeah,
Speaker 14: and a big spot where Brett super plexus Sid, which
Speaker 14: is always a spot that they would do when they
Speaker 14: work together to get the people up, and Sid goes
Speaker 14: for the ride, and he does it for the industry.
Speaker 14: I mean, I'm not here at enough.
Speaker 5: That's true. There you go, that's what he does to
Speaker 5: look past the.
Speaker 14: Fact that Sid knew that taking massive soup plays off
Speaker 14: the top rope equal to half a star in the
Speaker 14: sheets and led to him being just a tad more
Speaker 14: worthy of spotlight and a tad more worthy of our
Speaker 14: desire to see guys that are too big to be
Speaker 14: taking flip bumps take flip bumps.
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Speaker 5: And so there it was. And then Brett tries, you know,
Speaker 5: you bump to take the bump, and you bump to
Speaker 5: bump right, and then sometimes you feed the bump.
Speaker 14: I don't think said would disagree with the single word
Speaker 14: you just said. And that's kind of the beauty of
Speaker 14: what we managed to achieve. Looking so closely at a career.
Speaker 5: Like this, sometimes sometimes you don't understand, and sometimes you
Speaker 5: have to bump. Sometimes you gotta bump to bump right,
Speaker 5: and on different times you know when you got a
Speaker 5: thing going on and you cut me people coming from
Speaker 5: you at all sides. Sometimes sometimes you gotta feed the
Speaker 5: bump and then bump to feed and things go different ways, up, down,
Speaker 5: all around. But time and time again, I've proven that's
Speaker 5: real simple, that it's real simple. A bump defines who
Speaker 5: you are as a bump master. I guess that's true. Yeah,
Speaker 5: if you're a bump master. Yes, bumps do define you.
Speaker 5: That is true, And it's time to feed at the
Speaker 5: draft of glory and definition.
Speaker 14: What a troll job that would be if they convinced
Speaker 14: the local newspaper that wrote a feature little bit for
Speaker 14: Sid that his nickname in wrestling was the Master's that's Sid,
Speaker 14: who is known in the industry as the bump Master
Speaker 14: for his ability to take amazing follows from awkward angles.
Speaker 5: The Revolutionary bump Master.
Speaker 14: Sounds like a discarded nickname for PN news or something.
Speaker 14: The Revolutionary bump Master, as he was known.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 14: So it plays out and Brett tries to get through
Speaker 14: the door of the cage and Undertaker slammed it in
Speaker 14: his face because he wants Sid to win, and as
Speaker 14: a result of doing that, Sid does win. So he
Speaker 14: retains the championship. The ring clears and Vince gets in
Speaker 14: the ring to do a postmatch interview with Brett Hart
Speaker 14: and he says, you know, Brett, you must be frustrated,
Speaker 14: and Brett goes frustrated. Frustrated is not the goddamn word
Speaker 14: for it. This is bullshit. First time ship had ever
Speaker 14: been said. I remember like watching this, like, oh my god,
Speaker 14: he just said that, like I was so heart in
Speaker 14: my throat when he did that, and then he shoved Vince,
Speaker 14: like whoa, he's actually attacking Vince, Like that's that's crossing
Speaker 14: a line we haven't seen cross before. And he says,
Speaker 14: if you don't like it, tough ship. And it's funny
Speaker 14: because Sid is uh having won the match, He's still
Speaker 14: up at the top of this new rampway and he's
Speaker 14: listening to everything Brett's saying, and Brett looks at him
Speaker 14: and he's telling him, you know, if you don't like it,
Speaker 14: I'm the champion. If you don't like it, that's tough
Speaker 14: ship to you. And Sid's pointing to Brett and if
Speaker 14: you listen to the camera picks up Sid saying something hilarious.
Speaker 4: Is it apologize takes a red.
Speaker 3: You are wrong belt.
Speaker 4: Apologized, takes a red.
Speaker 3: You are wrong belt.
Speaker 14: That hard lady, Sid, I don't know shit, ladies and gentlemen,
Speaker 14: witness said, when they let guys say shit un raw
Speaker 14: for the first time, first chance.
Speaker 5: He gets I don't know shit, cry baby, Sid, Sid
Speaker 5: wil it out.
Speaker 3: Oh god, I can't fucking handle it.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 3: He's so I don't know shit.
Speaker 14: I never told would say I don't know shit, like
Speaker 14: you know, and like in the moment, it's you get
Speaker 14: why he said it, But like somehow no one else
Speaker 14: ends up doing that to themselves, you.
Speaker 5: Know, no one else ends up suddenly complete.
Speaker 14: And utter fool Sid, all right, and what's the one
Speaker 14: with Nash does We'll get there, But it's in w
Speaker 14: C in the run to come, and he says something like,
Speaker 14: you know, you don't have half I have half the
Speaker 14: brain that you do. And he would try to patch
Speaker 14: that up and act like he was told to say that,
Speaker 14: like that was he was giving a script to say that,
Speaker 14: to make him sound.
Speaker 5: Oh no, dude, like it's just bad. It's just bad.
Speaker 5: He's such like you know, for every for every like
Speaker 5: you know, moment of greatness, he's got like eighty of
Speaker 5: just it exactly. And that's what we're here to do,
Speaker 5: is to do the math, right. I don't know shit.
Speaker 5: I'm a fucking to add that. That's when he really
Speaker 5: dug his own grave.
Speaker 3: You know what I do, Bret Hort, I stick my
Speaker 3: head in the sand and I eat warm.
Speaker 5: I don't know shit, cry baby. I don't file taxes
Speaker 5: like I'm supposed to a hot income. I'm a tax dodger.
Speaker 5: It's like what, I don't know shit.
Speaker 36: I don't live here, he says Russ Upple, I got
Speaker 36: to be on us. I don't know shit on just
Speaker 36: no Fianna Sausages.
Speaker 14: And Austin and Taker are tussling as well to end
Speaker 14: this episode of raw and uh, it's amazing. And this
Speaker 14: is also where Brett Deck's hall offimer Pat Patterson, that
Speaker 14: dirty son of it in Vince almost says son of
Speaker 14: a bitch on commentary because Brett laid out Patterson, who,
Speaker 14: by the way, absolutely had to be the agent that
Speaker 14: was crying for Shawn Michaels after Sid beat Sean. There's
Speaker 14: nothing pat loved more than to cry at Shawn Michaels.
Speaker 14: Uh famously. Uh, you know he agented the Iron Man match,
Speaker 14: and I would cry. And afterwards, you know, with Pat cries,
Speaker 14: he does, he'd let you know he cried. You know,
Speaker 14: that's like his way of remembering something as being epic. Oh,
Speaker 14: if Pat cries, it's a big deal. And he loved
Speaker 14: Shawn and loved you know, coming up with stuff for
Speaker 14: Shawn's matches and all that, So that would be my guess. Anyway,
Speaker 14: Brett Deck's Pat Patterson as well. And now Brett's well
Speaker 14: on his way to being this uber heel that elevates
Speaker 14: the uber the baby faced Steve Austin, and we're off
Speaker 14: to the races in that regard. And while this is
Speaker 14: all going on here in this final rob before WRESTLMINGI thirteen,
Speaker 14: Shawn Michaels himself surefooted as ever, comes out and surveys
Speaker 14: all the chaos and Sid makes one last walkers Champion,
Speaker 14: Ladies and gentlemen at the WrestleMania thirteen in Chicago, where
Speaker 14: he is to defend the championship against the Undertaker.
Speaker 5: And here it is.
Speaker 8: Sean and Michael's and Sean Michael's did you have those
Speaker 8: ghost bumps all over your body?
Speaker 6: With us man coming in a ry?
Speaker 44: Oh yeah, I love yeah, are you ready to take
Speaker 44: a walk on the dark side?
Speaker 6: Guests to night.
Speaker 2: I think it's gonna happen when Yonder Taker's got my man,
Speaker 2: I'm coming in. I'll tell you what. Then you're in
Speaker 2: this building right now, I'm mounting that. Boys and girls,
Speaker 2: you can feel it.
Speaker 6: Something is definitely gonna go down tonight.
Speaker 8: And something I already has its spiking up. Something going down.
Speaker 2: Here he comes, she.
Speaker 13: Said, ladies and gentlemen, And he is the man, and
Speaker 13: he stepped.
Speaker 6: To the ring, and he speak.
Speaker 4: And then think about Ken said, if.
Speaker 2: He has time upbraid and I'm the dark and I
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 3: Sometimes back you, okay, sometimes you.
Speaker 6: Gotta be smart enough to be a plaid like see,
Speaker 6: I'm afraid of the dark.
Speaker 32: You know what I'm afraid of, Sean Michaels. I'm afraid
Speaker 32: you're a big liar. Why don't you tell the truth.
Speaker 32: You're out here for one reason. You're out here to
Speaker 32: try to do something the fight.
Speaker 2: Don't sit Why don't you tell a night not to
Speaker 2: out a chance?
Speaker 6: Not a chance.
Speaker 2: I'm here to watch fine, here's a rustling fan.
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm a gold year old boy against sitting.
Speaker 2: Here watching the sport that I love from the good scene.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the front call.
Speaker 29: Theres I is said three sixty nine per team, the
Speaker 29: challenger six ten three twenty eight?
Speaker 13: What a nic will not be a technical master fee that's.
Speaker 5: Gonna be up come again?
Speaker 2: God mean who will follow his tenth?
Speaker 4: Of course?
Speaker 2: Will it be the five five?
Speaker 6: Or will it be the tenth?
Speaker 4: Don't tile Driver and Sean Michels.
Speaker 8: You've been in the ring with both of these individuals,
Speaker 8: and I would suggest that you know exactly what it's
Speaker 8: like if you want to receiving end of when them
Speaker 8: Psycho said power bombs is land matter?
Speaker 4: A duke got oh there it is?
Speaker 2: What he's the man? Is he enough?
Speaker 15: Man?
Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you what a lot of this has
Speaker 2: to do with's momentum.
Speaker 6: Stud has had momentum. It's an India those square card. No,
Speaker 6: I don't think he's had flu then on but the
Speaker 6: other night, dr night.
Speaker 2: I just played to the awards. You can tell that's
Speaker 2: the other day. A walk up there to receive.
Speaker 4: The war deck for award.
Speaker 2: Its fun.
Speaker 6: He was changing, beam was changing I well of first
Speaker 6: time ever. I don't want to write for much.
Speaker 45: I would not want to be in the ring, But
Speaker 45: either one of these guys, you're talking a whole lot
Speaker 45: of bunk, a whole lot of mass.
Speaker 6: You ready to get that.
Speaker 8: It's all about respect, is it not, Sean Michaels, and
Speaker 8: I would suggest, and certainly you respect Boom in the
Speaker 8: Miduels in the ring as well as they respect each other.
Speaker 28: Certainly.
Speaker 44: Oh yeah, I mean there are a lot of guys
Speaker 44: you're in a well ustling federation that it would sit
Speaker 44: in my.
Speaker 6: Chair right now and take the cheap shots to post
Speaker 6: these guys.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 45: I respect for Sid and I have my limited respect
Speaker 45: for the Undertaker. He's got ice water ring through his veins.
Speaker 45: You ain't gonna shake up the Undertaker, So you got
Speaker 45: to pay out some way to beat him, and it
Speaker 45: ain't ees.
Speaker 14: So it's wrestling Mania thirteen. Sid walks on to a big,
Speaker 14: big stage. I think we can say one last time
Speaker 14: in a lot of ways, well he sure got some people,
Speaker 14: I mean, events, WCW. It never quite felt like this
Speaker 14: again for Sid as he does the honors for the
Speaker 14: Undertaker and and you know, not before Brett comes out
Speaker 14: and gets involved like the bitch he is after.
Speaker 5: That, I know, I know seriously, like they just this
Speaker 5: is that. I mean, it's it's great to me. It
Speaker 5: was great because it solidified his heel status, but still
Speaker 5: is he is He is a bitch.
Speaker 14: He is a bitch for coming out after assaulting Steve
Speaker 14: Austin after the bell and passing him out in the
Speaker 14: sharpshooter and then taking the chair to his knee and
Speaker 14: all that. So he's full heel now flipping fans off
Speaker 14: on his way back up the aisleway, and then he
Speaker 14: comes out and tries to fuck with the WWF title match.
Speaker 14: So it happens, and Sid ends up getting basically hot
Speaker 14: shot across the top rope from the apron by an
Speaker 14: interfering Brett Hart and spins right around and to the
Speaker 14: end of his second and final WWF world title reign.
Speaker 8: The moment tivin dat w w F Champion is his drink.
Speaker 46: Maybe a love best going on in the arena, but
Speaker 46: that love is about to turn the rage. This man,
Speaker 46: the World Wrestling Federation Champion. Psycho Sid has defeated Sewn Michaels,
Speaker 46: he has defeated Brett Hard and tonight, Psycho Sid, this
Speaker 46: could be the most important night of your w WF career.
Speaker 46: As you meet the Undertaker letting go, You are right,
Speaker 46: my friend, WrestleMania is the biggest, the beat of the world.
Speaker 6: What's a year but.
Speaker 7: The night when darkness false?
Speaker 26: Every man, woman and child, Oh, he is scared except.
Speaker 2: For one person.
Speaker 47: Only one person is that scared of the darkness. And
Speaker 47: one person is not scared of the Undertaker. And that
Speaker 47: has me, my friend, the game.
Speaker 26: We plase, I am the master.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they already has.
Speaker 8: It's pigging up, something going down there. You come, lad
Speaker 8: and gentlemen, and he.
Speaker 6: Is the man who he sapt for the rag. We speak.
Speaker 2: And then they are hot.
Speaker 8: Like con said, if he has time up grade, I'm
Speaker 8: the dark and you know what, sometimes.
Speaker 6: I can work against ship. Sometimes you gotta be smart
Speaker 6: enough to be afraaid, Like, gee, I'm afraid of the dark.
Speaker 32: You know what I'm afraid of Sean Michael's I'm afraid
Speaker 32: you're a big liar. Why don't you tell them truth?
Speaker 32: You're out here for one reason. You're out here to
Speaker 32: try to do something that's not gonna sit.
Speaker 2: Why don't you tell him to about that?
Speaker 6: Not a chance, not a chance.
Speaker 2: I'm here the last five years a rustling man.
Speaker 6: I feel like I'm a twelve year old boy against sitting.
Speaker 2: Here watching the sport.
Speaker 4: Then, oh boy, I'm a.
Speaker 5: Good seats again. All about Sean in a fun ron.
Speaker 29: Theres I'm a said the six y nine treatmer ms
Speaker 29: the calender six ten three twenty eight on this that
Speaker 29: will not be a tend'tal master th.
Speaker 2: That's gonna be a slick or knocker. There's gonna be
Speaker 2: who will follow his tenth the pass.
Speaker 3: Want to be the high bab or will it be
Speaker 3: the tents.
Speaker 4: Don't til driver and Sean Michaels.
Speaker 8: You've been in the ring with both of these individuals,
Speaker 8: and I would suggest that you know exactly what it's
Speaker 8: like to be on the receiving end of when mside goes.
Speaker 4: It's power bombses l.
Speaker 8: Matter a dum got oh there it is what he's
Speaker 8: the man?
Speaker 2: Is he enough?
Speaker 36: Man?
Speaker 6: Wan tell you what this has to do with momentum.
Speaker 6: Sid has had momentum since he med me in those
Speaker 6: square garden, and I don't like he's had from then on.
Speaker 6: But the other night, dry night, I just.
Speaker 4: Play the awards.
Speaker 2: You can tell as the other make a walk up
Speaker 2: there to.
Speaker 6: Receive more des for award and Fucting was changing.
Speaker 2: I'm moments changing.
Speaker 6: I'm well the first time ever. I don't want to
Speaker 6: wait for much.
Speaker 2: I would not want to be in the ring with
Speaker 2: either one of these guys. You're talking a whole lot
Speaker 2: of folk, a whole lot of masks. You're ready to
Speaker 2: get that.
Speaker 8: It's all about in respect, is it not, Sean Michaels,
Speaker 8: and I would suggest it certainly. Respect individuals in the
Speaker 8: ring as well as they respect each other.
Speaker 2: Certainly. Oh yeah, I mean there are a lot of
Speaker 2: guys here in the Love Vessel Federation that.
Speaker 6: I would sit in my chair right now and take
Speaker 6: cheap shots in both these guys. I'm not gonna do it.
Speaker 45: I respect for Sin and I have no limited respect
Speaker 45: for the Undertaker. He's got ice water running through his veins.
Speaker 45: You ain't gonna shake up the Undertaker, So you gonna
Speaker 45: to fire.
Speaker 4: Out some way to beat him at it ain't he's
Speaker 4: here on in.
Speaker 19: It's a new set of rules.
Speaker 4: You're pretty showing me.
Speaker 2: Oh my, I can't remember last time Brett was anybody's friend.
Speaker 9: And you.
Speaker 5: You know, and I know Brett comes out before the matter.
Speaker 16: No, he said he's a compet dang that World Resident
Speaker 16: Federation shiff.
Speaker 4: You're suppel belongs.
Speaker 6: To me and you are fraud.
Speaker 4: Well it looks like.
Speaker 39: You know it.
Speaker 26: I know it.
Speaker 20: And every single person in this building, whether you're here,
Speaker 20: we're outside of TV man, you all know that I
Speaker 20: am the pestor is the pestor was and the pestor
Speaker 20: of a.
Speaker 30: Wilber said, I'll read that.
Speaker 4: And now you're getting beat up because you're big mouth.
Speaker 5: Oh prop hard power.
Speaker 13: After that submission match, let's not put him in a
Speaker 13: bad way.
Speaker 19: Do you take your side?
Speaker 5: Yeah's amazing Ron.
Speaker 4: Hart, who was technically a winner.
Speaker 8: You may say technically because Steve Austin never said he
Speaker 8: said he will.
Speaker 4: You never hear the words I quit, and we never
Speaker 4: ever did.
Speaker 11: Hold along time lady, because why did the din you
Speaker 11: hear ass We.
Speaker 33: May tell him.
Speaker 4: They chip out of watchings.
Speaker 44: Anything can happen, and it usually does. It's just the
Speaker 44: rest of us don't warning about it. Just he does,
Speaker 44: regardless of the undertaker is Hall. Steve toughslam f Tough
Speaker 44: slam SA.
Speaker 10: Said, what.
Speaker 2: Are you baby?
Speaker 4: There no no well cover I can man.
Speaker 6: Coming believe the.
Speaker 21: Water sat tech tou They got the right seer up
Speaker 21: if you can watch have a leave that.
Speaker 8: Set in the undertaker fuck man back up on their feet, repurt.
Speaker 8: So now I'm gonna take her off the ropes from
Speaker 8: the other side, under take.
Speaker 2: Her in there.
Speaker 21: Set, I'm going to the contact there say it saw
Speaker 21: im come, I'm gonna move by said, I'm undertake your
Speaker 21: way for the flying clothes on against Sid ducked.
Speaker 2: Out of the way.
Speaker 8: And a sea saw matchup for the World Rosstak Federation Championship.
Speaker 2: And here we are.
Speaker 35: Power power.
Speaker 5: Shure ho run your fam Come on, Pratt.
Speaker 4: Doesn't he ever had time?
Speaker 5: Rda tombstone?
Speaker 20: Tombstone, He's as time.
Speaker 14: And so the title reign that said is over, but
Speaker 14: our examination of his title reign has one leg to go.
Speaker 14: The next time, We're with you on t LS tribute
Speaker 14: to Sid we deep dive the February seventeenth, nineteen ninety
Speaker 14: seven edition of Monday Night Raw, where Sid captures the
Speaker 14: belt for the second time. We'll see you then, biting announcement.
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