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<v Speaker 1>FBI Director Cash Bettel says that China may be attacking

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<v Speaker 1>us with a crazy new fungus. President Trump's allies are

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<v Speaker 1>on offense to get his legislative agenda passed. Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 1>is shaming the big spending ways of Congress, and AI

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<v Speaker 1>bots may have a liberal bias that could shape the world.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all tonight on the Matt Gates Show. Let's do

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<v Speaker 2>this shaking up Washington, d C. We're breaking the fever.

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<v Speaker 2>You haven't watch this guy on television. It's like a machine.

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<v Speaker 3>He's great. Matt Gates.

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<v Speaker 2>Good evening.

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<v Speaker 1>We are on assignment in Washington, DC tonight as the

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<v Speaker 1>fate of President Trump's legislative agenda is battered about the.

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<v Speaker 2>Halls of Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got a key congressman joining us in moments to

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<v Speaker 1>bring us up to date on the negotiations. White House

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<v Speaker 1>Deputy Chief of Staff Stephen Miller is a hero to

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<v Speaker 1>the American right. He has been one of the most

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<v Speaker 1>forceful defenders of the One Big, Beautiful Bill. In a

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<v Speaker 1>series of tweets this week, Miller said, quote, it will

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<v Speaker 1>increase by orders of magnitude the scope, scale and speed

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<v Speaker 1>of removing illegal and criminal aliens from the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>For that reason alone, it is the most essential piece

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<v Speaker 1>of legislation currently under consideration in the entire Western world

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<v Speaker 1>in generations. Miller noted the Big Beautiful Bill decreases total

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<v Speaker 1>spending over the budget window by nearly two trillion dollars,

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<v Speaker 1>and he says the Big Beautiful Bill is not an

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<v Speaker 1>appropriation's bill. It does not fund ninety nine percent plus

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<v Speaker 1>of the government. Zero dollars for Department of Education, zero

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<v Speaker 1>dollars for HUD, zero dollars for EPA, not a cent.

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<v Speaker 1>It cuts taxes, deports the illegals, and reforms welfare. We

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<v Speaker 1>could never have dreamed of a bill like this in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty seventeen. Meanwhile, Elon Musk has increased his critique of

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<v Speaker 1>the legislation. He called it a pork filled, disgusting abomination

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<v Speaker 1>that will massively increase the already gigantic budget deficit to

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<v Speaker 1>two point five trillion dollars and burden American citizens with

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<v Speaker 1>crushingly unsustainable debt. Musk said, quote interest payments already consumed

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<v Speaker 1>twenty five percent of all government revenue.

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<v Speaker 2>He's right about that.

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<v Speaker 1>If the massive deficit spending continues, there will only be

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<v Speaker 1>money for interest payments and nothing else. No social Security,

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<v Speaker 1>no medical, no offense, nothing close.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Last night, Freedom Caucus Congressman Eric Burleson lamented that Elon

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<v Speaker 1>hadn't expressed this few points sooner.

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<v Speaker 4>Where was Elon when all the pressure was building and

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<v Speaker 4>we were clearly at the precipice of getting the point

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<v Speaker 4>where this bill had to be passed and moved out

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<v Speaker 4>of the House, It would have been wonderful to have

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<v Speaker 4>had you know, Elon chime in. That would have given

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<v Speaker 4>myself and a lot of the fiscal hawks a lot

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<v Speaker 4>more leveraged to be able to get more out of

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<v Speaker 4>the bill.

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<v Speaker 1>Congressman Burlson believes that as of tonight, the votes are

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<v Speaker 1>not there to pass President Trump's bill in the Senate.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think it has the votes today in the Senate?

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<v Speaker 2>Probably not, but we'll see.

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<v Speaker 1>So if the votes aren't there now and Trump wants

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<v Speaker 1>to get the votes, will the bill have to spend less?

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<v Speaker 1>Probably in order to get the votes of Ran Paul Rick,

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<v Speaker 1>Scott Lee, and Ron Johnson. Those are fantastic senators in

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<v Speaker 1>our book. But Senators Murkowski, Collins, and Holly are still

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<v Speaker 1>not indicating support. They seem to be balking at some

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<v Speaker 1>of the cuts, so for them, the bill might have

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<v Speaker 1>to spend more. This is the legislative version of a

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<v Speaker 1>Chinese finger trap, where pulling in one direction only makes

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<v Speaker 1>things tighter on the other.

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<v Speaker 2>Here to help us figure it.

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<v Speaker 1>All out is Tennessee Congressman Andy Ogels. So, Congressman, do

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<v Speaker 1>you think that there is progress being made in the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate to get the votes to pass this bill?

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<v Speaker 2>Or are you.

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<v Speaker 1>Anticipating that the Senate will make some revision and set

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<v Speaker 1>it back to the House.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, you know, I would say that from the House perspective,

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<v Speaker 5>or at least my perspective, it's big, it's not quite

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<v Speaker 5>beautiful yet.

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<v Speaker 2>And so maybe this is the opportunity.

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<v Speaker 5>With Elon coming out criticizing the bill, maybe we'll see

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<v Speaker 5>some of the Senators make some changes, make some additional cuts,

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<v Speaker 5>and then likely it'll pass and then it comes back

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<v Speaker 5>to us. Now, that'll put a few of my House

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<v Speaker 5>colleagues in a box, But at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 5>that's what we promised the American people.

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<v Speaker 1>Have you been in contact with any senators? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>getting arms twisted by cabinet officials? You know how it goes.

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<v Speaker 1>You get calls from people in the White House.

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<v Speaker 2>You had calls from the President and Vice President.

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<v Speaker 1>They seem to be engaging directly in public with some

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<v Speaker 1>of the folks who they think don't see the bill correctly.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I did speak to a senator earlier, and you know,

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<v Speaker 5>right now there doesn't seem to be quite a consensus

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<v Speaker 5>forming in the Senate as what the direction is going

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<v Speaker 5>to be. So I think it's kind of what I'll

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<v Speaker 5>say is Elon I think reset the conversation with his

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<v Speaker 5>most recent tweets for better or worse but that. But again,

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<v Speaker 5>I think the Mike Lees and some of the more

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<v Speaker 5>conservative senators that emboldens them to try to get more again,

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<v Speaker 5>make it truly big and beautiful, not just big, because

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<v Speaker 5>right now it's rather large. But I think again, I

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<v Speaker 5>think there's the opportunity for them to improve the bill,

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<v Speaker 5>to make some aditional cuts. You'll see some of those

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<v Speaker 5>more conservative senators come online. And then of course the

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<v Speaker 5>House votes on it. But like you said, I don't

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<v Speaker 5>know that the votes are there if it were to

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<v Speaker 5>be voted on today.

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<v Speaker 1>As is Elon and Trump have come to the House

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<v Speaker 1>conference before, they've been a unified front.

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<v Speaker 2>It seems like it's a real pep.

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<v Speaker 1>Rally environment with your colleagues when they come and now

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<v Speaker 1>you're seeing a bit of a different.

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<v Speaker 2>Message out of both of them.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you think maybe it's just a different of a

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<v Speaker 1>difference in priorities. You know, for Elon, the priority always

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<v Speaker 1>really was spending and for Trump and a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>his voters, it really was immigration. And that what actually

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<v Speaker 1>is intentioned before us is whether you prioritize spending cuts

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<v Speaker 1>more than some of the immigration priorities.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean, I think there was two huge wins

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<v Speaker 5>in the House version making the Trump tax cuts permanent.

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<v Speaker 5>That signals to the markets that this is the landscape

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<v Speaker 5>that you're going to play in. If you're a small

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<v Speaker 5>business owner, you're going to increase the size or investing

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<v Speaker 5>your business again, you know, the landscape, but also foreign

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<v Speaker 5>investment as well, So it's huge in that regard. And

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<v Speaker 5>of course securing the border and deportations. Nashville has been

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<v Speaker 5>on the news because the deportations and we're fighting that fight.

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<v Speaker 5>But like you said, Elon's you know, he was headed doze.

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<v Speaker 5>He started Doze creates a legacy of cutting or finding

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<v Speaker 5>ways to cut. So there is a difference of priorities.

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<v Speaker 2>But the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's the opportunity to get those two things

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<v Speaker 5>to align. It's going to take some work, but that's

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<v Speaker 5>why we were elected this job.

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<v Speaker 2>You brought me right to my next question.

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<v Speaker 1>You're leading an investigation into the Nashville mayor for some

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<v Speaker 1>of the open borders policies there. What is the behavior

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<v Speaker 1>you hope to change with this investigation.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean, if look, ICE has been clear, Christynom

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<v Speaker 5>has been clear, you don't have to agree with ICE,

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<v Speaker 5>you don't have to help ICE when they come to

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<v Speaker 5>your community, but you can't interfere. And what we're seeing

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<v Speaker 5>or have seen in cities across the country, including Nashville,

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<v Speaker 5>is that there's an interference. And so now you have

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<v Speaker 5>the Metro Police Department, the fire Department, and public works

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<v Speaker 5>officials are supposed to snitch on ICE whenever they're in Nashville,

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<v Speaker 5>and then that's being reported on the city's website at

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<v Speaker 5>almost real time. Then the city mayor docks the federal agents.

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<v Speaker 5>So I went to the Chairman of Homeland Security and

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<v Speaker 5>the Chairman of Judiciary and we're going to do a

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<v Speaker 5>joint investigation to the mayor of Nashville.

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<v Speaker 2>But I think there's the.

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<v Speaker 1>Opportunity to think the mayor should have to testify before

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<v Speaker 1>the committee, before.

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<v Speaker 5>The committee, But then also there's other mayors across the

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<v Speaker 5>country that need to be held accountable. When you're putting

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<v Speaker 5>law enforcement, federal law enforcement, their life at risk, you

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<v Speaker 5>cross the line and there should be some accountability.

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<v Speaker 1>Speaking of life at risk, I did not believe when

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<v Speaker 1>I knew we were going to talk today that we

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<v Speaker 1>would be talking about a China fungus.

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<v Speaker 2>But here we find ourselves.

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<v Speaker 1>Based on any information you have so far, do you

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<v Speaker 1>think this is an intentional act by the Chinese government?

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<v Speaker 5>Well, I mean, I can't speak for the Chinese government,

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<v Speaker 5>and I've been an out spoken critic of the CCP

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<v Speaker 5>and an advocate for Taiwan. But that being said, is

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<v Speaker 5>this individual, he's a researcher. He knew what he had.

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<v Speaker 5>He brought it illegally into the country on his phone,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was hidden right, It was like wadded up

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<v Speaker 5>in tissue, tucked in a book, and then on his phone.

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<v Speaker 5>After further investigation, there was an article dating back to

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<v Speaker 5>like twenty eighteen on biological warfare. So this guy, I mean, look,

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<v Speaker 5>follow the facts, let them be an investigation. To me,

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<v Speaker 5>it looks criminal and he should be prosecuted. And quite frankly,

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<v Speaker 5>there's a whole host of folks from China here whose

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<v Speaker 5>visas should be revoked.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, should we rethink allowing our research university labs to

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<v Speaker 1>coming back and forth from China.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, during the Cold War, we weren't giving visas to

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<v Speaker 5>Russian students, So why are we giving visas to Chinese

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<v Speaker 5>students who wouldn't we know?

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<v Speaker 6>China is the enemy.

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<v Speaker 5>We saw it during COVID, they choked off the supply chain.

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<v Speaker 5>We now have biological weapons. They're constantly trying to hack us.

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<v Speaker 5>So why are we enabling the enemy that's trying to

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<v Speaker 5>bring us down?

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<v Speaker 2>Again?

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<v Speaker 5>During the Cold War, we didn't do this for Russia.

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<v Speaker 5>Why would we do this for China?

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<v Speaker 2>You mentioned Russia.

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<v Speaker 1>We've got the escalation of tensions in this conflict. President

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<v Speaker 1>Trump just announcing that he had a productive call with Putin,

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<v Speaker 1>but that he is anticipating some sort of Russian response

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<v Speaker 1>to this Ukrainian drone attack. Where do you see that

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<v Speaker 1>conflict going and what steps can Congress tape to align

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<v Speaker 1>with President Trump and try to bring it to an end.

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<v Speaker 5>So I was part of a delegation a few weeks

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<v Speaker 5>ago that went to Europe, met with members of European Parliament,

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<v Speaker 5>also met with members of the Moldovan parliament. And I've

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<v Speaker 5>long said since that trip. I say long said a

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<v Speaker 5>few weeks ago that Russia there would be no peace

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<v Speaker 5>in Ukraine until after the Moldovan elections. So there's a

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<v Speaker 5>faction within Moldova that's very pro Russian, and so if

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<v Speaker 5>they can win Moldovan elections, that will allow that will

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<v Speaker 5>open up another flank for Russia into the Ukraine War.

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<v Speaker 5>And so until that is reconciled, and we've seen in

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<v Speaker 5>the Romanian Moldovan elections historically Russian interference, so they have

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<v Speaker 5>no motive to settle peace or to negotiate peace.

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<v Speaker 2>So so we just destined to more death and world war.

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<v Speaker 5>From late summer early fall is the Moldovan elections, and

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<v Speaker 5>nothing's going to happen in my opinion, until after those elections.

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<v Speaker 5>If Russia loses in the Moldovan elections, then they'll come

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<v Speaker 1>We survived the China virus, but these things never come

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<v Speaker 1>in ones. FBI director Cash Battel has announced that he

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<v Speaker 1>disrupted the China fungus. There were two Chinese researchers, John

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<v Speaker 1>toxic fungus Fasarium germanic geranium into the country. This pathogen

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<v Speaker 1>The lab lacked the necessary federal permits to handle these pathogens.

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<v Speaker 1>Investigators found messages indicating that one of these students and

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't seen lovebirds working so hard with intelligence assets

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<v Speaker 1>The case has highlighted concerns over biosecurity and the potential

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<v Speaker 1>revelation that these Chinese researchers were engaged in this activity

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<v Speaker 1>at the University of Michigan.

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<v Speaker 8>Hey, Matt, thanks for covering this topic. It is so

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<v Speaker 8>important that we unveil these issues of this Chinese Communist

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<v Speaker 8>Party and what they're doing here in Michigan. What these

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<v Speaker 8>universities are cooperating with the CCP affiliated organizations and doing.

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<v Speaker 8>Remember just last year that a student at the University

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<v Speaker 8>of Michigan voted in the election. We figured there was

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<v Speaker 8>actually several dozens that did this. Last year. There was

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<v Speaker 8>also three folks that were arrested for looking over military

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<v Speaker 8>bases in northern Michigan. And at the end of the day,

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<v Speaker 8>what we're seeing now with a pathogen coming into this

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<v Speaker 8>this is wrong. And this is why House Republicans just

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<v Speaker 8>a few weeks ago past legislation that's now sitting in

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<v Speaker 8>right now. But that would stop this kind of foreign influence,

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<v Speaker 8>that would make sure that Chinese Communist Party associated companies

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<v Speaker 8>can't buy farmland here in Michigan, and that we root

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<v Speaker 1>You're running for governor, and if you were governor today,

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<v Speaker 1>knowing what we know, would you be expelling Chinese students

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<v Speaker 8>Oh, I'd be joining with President Trump and doing what

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<v Speaker 8>he's doing and making sure that these Chinese Communist Party

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<v Speaker 8>affiliated students don't have visas here to America. That needs

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<v Speaker 8>to stop making sure that our universities are not cooperating

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<v Speaker 8>with Chinese Communist Party organizations. That's wrong and needs to end.

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<v Speaker 8>And let's be honest, the CCP, they're not our front.

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<v Speaker 8>We need to actually stand up, stand together and saying

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<v Speaker 8>Trump's doing at the national level, and actually standing up

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<v Speaker 8>for not just Michigan's interests, but America's interests against those

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<v Speaker 8>that are trying to infiltrate us and trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>In Michigan, when we think about terrorism, we think about

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<v Speaker 1>burning buildings, We think about these tragic events where people

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<v Speaker 1>typically think about agri terrorism. Ag is a huge part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Michigan economy. If your governor, do you think

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to have to start thinking about protecting our

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<v Speaker 1>agricultural assets in a different way and how would you

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<v Speaker 8>Somebody who grew up on a sixth generation a dairy

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<v Speaker 8>is to Michigan, our family farmers, how important they are.

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<v Speaker 8>And it's something where You've seen it time after time,

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<v Speaker 8>whenever President Trump has stood up against Chinese infiltration, whenever

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<v Speaker 8>he stood up against the Chinese Communist Party, What do

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<v Speaker 8>they do? They attack our farmers, they attack agriculture. Is

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<v Speaker 8>something where we got to take this seriously. Is if

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<v Speaker 8>we're not protecting our food supply and we're relying on

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<v Speaker 8>continue to step up and say China is not our front.

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<v Speaker 8>The Chinese Communist Party wants to destroy America, and it

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<v Speaker 8>is something where the end of the day that having

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<v Speaker 8>these research and folks bringing in these kind of weapons

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<v Speaker 1>I've spent a lot of time on the campus of

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<v Speaker 1>there over the summers. I was shocked to learn that

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<v Speaker 1>That would be a human rights violation in the state

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<v Speaker 1>of Florida. But you made a really interesting point earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>You said that the University of Michigan was acting in

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<v Speaker 1>I first saw this story whether or not the university

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<v Speaker 1>was a victim of infiltration or whether they had taken action,

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<v Speaker 1>in your eyes, to invite this type of activity from

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<v Speaker 8>Well, you've seen over the last several years, over the

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<v Speaker 8>last decade, especially that you have these friends of China,

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<v Speaker 8>these s American friendship organizations or foundations that the Chinese

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<v Speaker 8>Communist Party fund help organize and help build affiliates on

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<v Speaker 8>university campuses to try to push curriculum. And we've seen

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<v Speaker 8>this time after time, and university after university, and it's

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<v Speaker 8>a very corrupting because they're always looking for more money

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<v Speaker 8>and trying to increase these exchanges. You saw that with

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<v Speaker 8>Tim Watson, some of these exchanges that happened from Minnesota

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<v Speaker 8>to China, and you're seeing some of the same stuff

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<v Speaker 8>unfortunately in your state of Florida. The University of Florida

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<v Speaker 8>rejected are the former president of the University of Michigan

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<v Speaker 8>just this week. And I think part of it is

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<v Speaker 8>not just it's beyond this wokeness. This diversity, equity, inclusion

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<v Speaker 8>is DII. You can't, you know, change who you are

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<v Speaker 8>in the history that you are. But it's about time

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<v Speaker 8>that I think folks on the writer are standing up.

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<v Speaker 8>I'm somebody that went to Hillsdale College. You've probably heard

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<v Speaker 8>of Hillsdale, one of the few schools in the nation

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<v Speaker 8>that don't accept any federal or state aid at all.

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<v Speaker 8>Very independent, believes in our founding American excepttionalism. And unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 8>when you only have three percent of college professors nationally

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<v Speaker 8>they're actually Republicans, you get this kind of corruption that's

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<v Speaker 1>Final question for you, Senator, do you believe that this

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<v Speaker 1>was an act of war by China against the United States.

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<v Speaker 8>If it's not an active war, it's a continued escalation,

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<v Speaker 8>isn't it. I mean, time after time, you've seen just

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<v Speaker 8>here in Michigan, a Chinese national voting in our election.

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<v Speaker 8>Just last year you saw three Chinese getting arrested for,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, trying to infiltrate a military base here here

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<v Speaker 8>in Michigan. And now they're bringing in pathogens to attack

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<v Speaker 8>our food supply, to attack our people. This is this

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<v Speaker 8>is raw needs to be stopped. We need to join

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<v Speaker 8>with President Trump and continue to make sure that we

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<v Speaker 8>pushed back against these Chinese Communist Party infiltrations around around

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<v Speaker 8>Michigan and the United.

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<v Speaker 1>States Republican Senate leader Eric Nesbitt, he's running for a leader.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can folks go to find out about your campaign

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<v Speaker 1>and follow you on the trail?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah, asbit forgovernor dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>That's two teas.

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<v Speaker 8>There's only one Eric with an a probably running anywhere

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<v Speaker 8>in the United States of America or on Twitter, Eric

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<v Speaker 8>Nesbitt or Facebook follow us. We're going to continue to

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<v Speaker 8>engage folks and point out what the Chinese Communist Party

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<v Speaker 8>is actually doing to the United States of America and

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<v Speaker 8>their infiltration to try to destroy our way of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Leader Nasbud, thanks for coming on the program and sharing

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<v Speaker 1>your perspective.

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<v Speaker 2>Stay safe out there on the trail.

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<v Speaker 8>God bless you. Thanks mate, Matt and.

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<v Speaker 2>And coming up.

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<v Speaker 1>President Donald Trump and Elon Musk, It's been one big,

457
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<v Speaker 1>beautiful partnership. President Trump provided the candidacy, the leadership, the vision,

458
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<v Speaker 1>the gravitas. Elon Musk expanded our coalition. His mind is

459
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<v Speaker 1>inspiring young people with visions of the future. His resources

460
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<v Speaker 1>were critical, and the technical innovations Elon brought to electioneering

461
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<v Speaker 1>will likely be studied by political scientists for decades. But

462
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<v Speaker 1>one thing is clear. Elon's role in the administration has changed.

463
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<v Speaker 1>The law limits a special government employee to one hundred

464
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<v Speaker 1>and thirty days of service.

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<v Speaker 2>That time has now elapsed.

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<v Speaker 1>Elon will undoubtedly continue as an advisor to President Trump,

467
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<v Speaker 1>and we want to explore the contours of this evolution.

468
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<v Speaker 1>Axios has published a fresh piece outlining what veteran reporter

469
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<v Speaker 1>Mark Caputo believes are the reasons for this change in

470
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<v Speaker 1>the Trump Elon dynamic. He cites Elon's alleged desire to stay,

471
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<v Speaker 1>disagreement over NASA HR, the decision not to use starlink

472
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<v Speaker 1>at FAA, and disagreement over electrical vehicle policy as reasons

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<v Speaker 1>for the less than cozy relationship. Now, I know both

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<v Speaker 1>President Trump and Elon Musk. I have been around them

475
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<v Speaker 1>and observed their dynamic. I met with both of them

476
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<v Speaker 1>for hours during the transition, and I think I have

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<v Speaker 1>a clear understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Of their goals.

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually think that axios Mark Kapuro is wrong

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<v Speaker 1>in his diagnosis, and so I invited him on the

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<v Speaker 1>program to discuss Mark.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>So I usually follow your reporting and agree with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of what you say, But here's my theory of

485
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<v Speaker 1>the case, and I'll let you attack it. Really, this

486
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<v Speaker 1>is about key priorities, and the real reason Elon Musk

487
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<v Speaker 1>was in this movement was spending. He talked about it

488
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<v Speaker 1>all the time on the trail. He obsessed about spending

489
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<v Speaker 1>life during the transition, and really for Trump in his base,

490
00:26:03.519 --> 00:26:06.759
<v Speaker 1>it was more so immigration. And so here with this

491
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<v Speaker 1>thrust of legislative activity, you see some tension there, and

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's more of that than the pecuniary interests

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<v Speaker 1>that you identified.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'll give you, I'll give you something.

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<v Speaker 3>So what is it?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, what we did is we tracked these sort of

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<v Speaker 9>four inflection points over time, and perhaps one of the

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<v Speaker 9>biggest ones is what happened with NASA. The administrator, who

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<v Speaker 9>was a Musk ally was summarily canceled on Saturday night,

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<v Speaker 9>somewhat inexplicably, so, I mean, albeit President Trump had said

501
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<v Speaker 9>it was because this guy had given money to Democrats

502
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<v Speaker 9>in the past, Isaacman as his name. And after that,

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<v Speaker 9>the buzz on the outside of the White House and

504
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<v Speaker 9>around the White House was this was being done as

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<v Speaker 9>an f you to Elon. After that, Elon Musk's posture

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<v Speaker 9>towards this became very negative, and his posture generally has

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<v Speaker 9>become more negative.

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<v Speaker 3>And there's not really been much of an explanation.

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<v Speaker 9>And your understanding will it doesn't necessarily conflict with what

510
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<v Speaker 9>I'd written.

511
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<v Speaker 3>It just supplements.

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<v Speaker 9>It doesn't necessarily explain how did Musk go from like, eh,

513
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<v Speaker 9>bill big, as the bill is big and the bill

514
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<v Speaker 9>is a little not beautiful enough. You can't have it

515
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<v Speaker 9>both big and beautifult the same time. I'm mangling the

516
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<v Speaker 9>quote from Elon Musk. But sure it doesn't explain how

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<v Speaker 9>he goes from these mild criticisms to that. And what

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<v Speaker 9>we do know is over time and what we were

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<v Speaker 9>told by people who had been involved with Elon Musk

520
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<v Speaker 9>during this process, is that repeated efforts or repeated times

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<v Speaker 9>where he wanted things and he didn't get them, and

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<v Speaker 9>ultimately Saturday night, yeah, the NASS administrator and we are yep, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>I do think that there's another reasonable explanation, though, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that he wasn't there anymore. He wasn't under the roof

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<v Speaker 1>of the Oval office in the West Wing. Isn't it

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<v Speaker 1>quite possible that Elon Musk had reservations about the spending

527
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<v Speaker 1>levels in this bill. He respected his friendship with President

528
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<v Speaker 1>Trump and the importunity he had been given to be

529
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<v Speaker 1>on the team enough where he wasn't going to have

530
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<v Speaker 1>a full frontal attack while serving there, So he graciously departs,

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<v Speaker 1>but then once his voice heard heard on the spending.

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<v Speaker 3>Level, certainly.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, the question is, is having your voice heard and

535
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:24.839
<v Speaker 9>having heard like that are two separate things?

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<v Speaker 3>Kind of a false choice to say either, you got.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, he's he's a billionaire, he's the richest man in the.

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<v Speaker 3>World who owns his own platform.

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<v Speaker 9>He certainly can create his own weather patterns and his

540
00:28:37.920 --> 00:28:43.079
<v Speaker 9>own title patterns, and he's certainly done that. The ultimate gauge,

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<v Speaker 9>I guess for the way in which this is the

542
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<v Speaker 9>ultimate gauge for measuring his reaction is the fact that

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<v Speaker 9>now he's just kind of talked himself more into boldness,

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<v Speaker 9>and he certainly crossed the line. Now, we outlined four

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<v Speaker 9>different inflection points you mentioned I think three of them,

546
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<v Speaker 9>but the fourth is actually what you mentioned, which is

547
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<v Speaker 9>we were told he wanted to stay in the White

548
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.559
<v Speaker 9>House a bit longer in some sort of some sort

549
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<v Speaker 9>of special governmental employee status and was told no. The implication,

550
00:29:16.799 --> 00:29:18.640
<v Speaker 9>and no one's quite said it to us, is that

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00:29:18.680 --> 00:29:20.680
<v Speaker 9>there was a measure of sour graves. I think we

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00:29:20.720 --> 00:29:23.759
<v Speaker 9>can all agree is this looks like quite the bromance

553
00:29:23.839 --> 00:29:27.359
<v Speaker 9>breakup at the moment. Albeit Donald Trump is sort of

554
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:31.359
<v Speaker 9>just ghosting Elon Musk, at least publicly, and not responding

555
00:29:31.400 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 9>to him, which displays a remarkably Untrumpian sense of impulse control. Normally,

556
00:29:38.119 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 9>I think Trump would be hitting back, and he's not now,

557
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:42.640
<v Speaker 9>and he's being very disappointed.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that is to some degree a sign

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<v Speaker 1>of appreciation from President Trump for all that Elon Musk

560
00:29:50.240 --> 00:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>did in the campaign to help him be successful, particularly

561
00:29:53.279 --> 00:29:56.519
<v Speaker 1>in Pennsylvania. You cover President Trump in the White House,

562
00:29:56.599 --> 00:29:59.440
<v Speaker 1>you also cover Florida Governor Ron DeSantis. I thought it

563
00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:03.319
<v Speaker 1>was very, very interesting that Ron de Santis was criticizing

564
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<v Speaker 1>all of the Republican congressman who had voted for this bill,

565
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:10.720
<v Speaker 1>and some have theorized that Ron de Santis actually offers

566
00:30:10.759 --> 00:30:14.440
<v Speaker 1>that criticism somewhat informed on Elon Musk's perspective, and he's

567
00:30:14.440 --> 00:30:17.440
<v Speaker 1>trying to position himself as a twenty twenty eight front

568
00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:19.559
<v Speaker 1>runner for the Elon endorsement.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think there's any merit to that.

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<v Speaker 9>There's one thing I've learned over my years in covering

571
00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:29.359
<v Speaker 9>Florida politics is to always respect Matt Gates's analysis of

572
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<v Speaker 9>the way in which the chess pieces can move, So

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<v Speaker 9>I would not discount that as a possibility or perhaps

574
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<v Speaker 9>even a probability, As you and I both know, while

575
00:30:40.920 --> 00:30:48.160
<v Speaker 9>he's incredibly socially awkward, Rond de Santis is rather calculating. Albeit,

576
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 9>the criticism of DeSantis was perhaps said best by Tony Fabrizio,

577
00:30:53.359 --> 00:30:56.519
<v Speaker 9>a Donald Trump's polster, which is that Rond DeSantis is

578
00:30:56.559 --> 00:31:01.119
<v Speaker 9>all tactics and no strategy. And nevertheless, he is a

579
00:31:01.160 --> 00:31:03.920
<v Speaker 9>pretty damn good tactician. He's got a good feel for

580
00:31:03.960 --> 00:31:06.279
<v Speaker 9>certain things. I wouldn't discount this.

581
00:31:08.599 --> 00:31:12.759
<v Speaker 1>So from Elon Musk, is this tactics, strategy, impulse? And

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<v Speaker 1>what role do you think Elon plays in the Republican

583
00:31:15.119 --> 00:31:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Party going forward?

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00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:19.880
<v Speaker 3>I should ask you that question. I'm used to being

585
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:20.920
<v Speaker 3>the one who's interviewing you.

586
00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:24.319
<v Speaker 2>Let's face it, I know I'm really enjoying this thoroughly.

587
00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:26.440
<v Speaker 3>But you know you don't have to talk to my

588
00:31:26.440 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 3>spokesman about that. Matt, No, uh, I don't know.

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00:31:30.920 --> 00:31:34.799
<v Speaker 9>I do think that while the bromance between Trump and

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00:31:34.799 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 9>and Elon is is a little strained. I smiled earlier

591
00:31:37.880 --> 00:31:40.880
<v Speaker 9>when you talked about Trump's appreciation for Musk. I just

592
00:31:40.920 --> 00:31:43.680
<v Speaker 9>got off the phone with another insider who you know

593
00:31:43.759 --> 00:31:46.160
<v Speaker 9>pretty well, who when I asked him this question, why

594
00:31:46.200 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 9>isn't Trump responding? He said the same thing, Like, the

595
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.119
<v Speaker 9>reality is Donald Trump really likes Elon Musk. He loves

596
00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:55.000
<v Speaker 9>the guy, right, and so he understands it Elon's upset

597
00:31:55.240 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 9>and he's just not going to build on that. And

598
00:31:56.799 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 9>also that it's not not very sort of helpful. The

599
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.640
<v Speaker 9>Trump White in many respects sort of a soap opera

600
00:32:01.759 --> 00:32:05.680
<v Speaker 9>or Trump World is. It's a telenovella. Characters come, characters go,

601
00:32:06.039 --> 00:32:08.799
<v Speaker 9>they have falling outs, they have falling ins, they wind

602
00:32:08.880 --> 00:32:13.559
<v Speaker 9>up in new and seemingly improbable storylines. So could I

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00:32:13.599 --> 00:32:16.599
<v Speaker 9>see Elon Musk returning to the fold in a robust

604
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<v Speaker 9>way with Trump by a side.

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<v Speaker 3>Definitely.

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<v Speaker 9>Now, Musk did say earlier that he was sort of

607
00:32:21.519 --> 00:32:24.759
<v Speaker 9>done with politics, but I think we can see.

608
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:27.039
<v Speaker 3>Is that it's just gotten this bloodstream.

609
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<v Speaker 9>He's got politics my lightest right, and he just can't

610
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<v Speaker 9>shape the fact that this virus is in him.

611
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<v Speaker 3>And so I do think he's gonna stay involved. He

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00:32:36.079 --> 00:32:37.680
<v Speaker 3>certainly is in one way or another.

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<v Speaker 1>Electing presidents is sometimes an itch that doesn't just go

614
00:32:42.720 --> 00:32:45.640
<v Speaker 1>away with one scratch. And you're right if you just

615
00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:48.079
<v Speaker 1>wait around mar A Lago long enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Everyone comes back.

617
00:32:49.240 --> 00:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Joe and Mika are even coming back, so proof that

618
00:32:52.359 --> 00:32:55.440
<v Speaker 1>no one is ever too far out of the orbit.

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<v Speaker 2>And it reminds me of one.

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<v Speaker 1>Conversation I have with President Trump during the transition, when

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, we were surprised that Elon Musk was as

622
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<v Speaker 1>personally invested with his time and his focus from Sun

623
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<v Speaker 1>up to well passed Sun down and all these issues.

624
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<v Speaker 1>And Trump pulls me over, says Matt, I got a

625
00:33:11.200 --> 00:33:15.119
<v Speaker 1>lot of geniuses. You're one of my geniuses. But now

626
00:33:15.240 --> 00:33:17.519
<v Speaker 1>I have a super genius. And he was, of course

627
00:33:17.559 --> 00:33:20.559
<v Speaker 1>referring to Elon Musk. Mark Caputo of Axios, thanks so

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00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.599
<v Speaker 1>much for coming on the program and chopping it up

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<v Speaker 1>with me.

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<v Speaker 9>So he basically he had like it was Wiley Coyote, right,

631
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<v Speaker 9>like Wiley Coyote super genius from the old Warner Brothers cartoons.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, I'm sure that there will be accusations of

633
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<v Speaker 1>worse than Wiley Coyote before.

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<v Speaker 2>This is all done with.

635
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<v Speaker 3>Thank you, man, I'll see you.

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<v Speaker 2>Take care.

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00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.599
<v Speaker 1>And coming up, we got major economic issues at play

638
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<v Speaker 1>during this important legislations being debated in the Congress. We're

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<v Speaker 1>As Congress continues to debate key features of tax and

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<v Speaker 1>spending policy, we wanted to dig into the weeds regarding

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<v Speaker 1>the impact of those key discussions on the American economy

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<v Speaker 1>and your family budget.

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<v Speaker 2>Will rising federal debt impact inflation? Probably?

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<v Speaker 1>Can that be fully offset by increases in productivity and

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<v Speaker 1>lower energy costs and growth. President Trump is pursuing all options,

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<v Speaker 1>including calling on FED Chairman Jerome Powell to lower interest

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<v Speaker 1>rates on truth Social Today, he said adp number out

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<v Speaker 1>too late. Powell must now lower the rate. He is unbelievable.

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<v Speaker 1>Europe has lowered the rate nine times to late Powell,

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<v Speaker 1>quite the nickname. If President Trump's tax cuts from his

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<v Speaker 1>first term are not extended, how much more bill American

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<v Speaker 1>families have to pay. Congressman Keith self told you that

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<v Speaker 1>America's headed to a fifty trillion dollar debt for sure.

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<v Speaker 10>Even if we get this bill right, we're going to

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<v Speaker 10>go from thirty six trillion dollars in debt to fifty

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<v Speaker 10>trillion over the next few years. So this bill is

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<v Speaker 10>not a panacea to start cutting into the debt. It

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<v Speaker 10>only slows the growth of the deficit, which adds to

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<v Speaker 10>the debt, So the.

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<v Speaker 2>Debt will continue to grow. And yet we're calling this

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<v Speaker 2>bill historic.

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<v Speaker 10>That tells you the dire circumstances the United States of

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<v Speaker 10>America federal government is in.

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<v Speaker 1>Is this type of crippling debt a certainty? And if so,

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<v Speaker 1>how should we prepare for it? Joining us now Austrian economist,

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<v Speaker 1>he's done research at the Heritage Foundation and the Mesa's Institute,

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<v Speaker 1>Peter saint On. Peter, as you're watching these debates go

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<v Speaker 1>on in the United States Senate regarding the spending levels

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<v Speaker 1>of this legislation, how should Americans be thinking about the

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<v Speaker 1>inflationary impact and how that debt will impact their lives

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<v Speaker 1>and their budgets.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, I think the biggest surprise here has been that

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<v Speaker 11>we have had the dream team up there for the

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<v Speaker 11>past couple of months. Right, So we had Elon Musk,

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<v Speaker 11>who's clearly very dedicated to shrinking government spending. Donald Trump

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<v Speaker 11>in his first term, every single year before COVID, he

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<v Speaker 11>kept proposing big cuts. Congress of course said no. And

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<v Speaker 11>we've got unified control in all of Washington. We've got

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<v Speaker 11>Republicans have been talking for one hundred years now, just

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<v Speaker 11>elect us.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're going to cut the spending. And here we go.

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<v Speaker 11>So we're looking at about two and a half trillion

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<v Speaker 11>dollars deficits. The big beautiful bill is going to crank

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<v Speaker 11>that up there have You know the funny thing when

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<v Speaker 11>they talk moderates, right, you read about this bill on

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<v Speaker 11>the Wall Street Journal or something, and they talk about

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<v Speaker 11>how the moderates the rhinos want to raise spending. Well,

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<v Speaker 11>wait a minute, eighty ninety percent of the Republican base

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<v Speaker 11>wants spending cut. These guys are not the moderates. The

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<v Speaker 11>moderates here who are doing what the Republican voters want

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<v Speaker 11>are the guys were trying to cut it, guys like

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<v Speaker 11>Mike Lee Ran Paul, guys who are trying to make

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<v Speaker 11>much bigger cuts. But unfortunately, as you know, the Rhinos

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<v Speaker 11>are running the show. And so it looks like there's

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<v Speaker 11>going to be a massive bill. The aggregate amount that

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<v Speaker 11>it adds to the national debt, depending on how you count,

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<v Speaker 11>it could be three trillion, it could be up to

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<v Speaker 11>six trillion. The spending cuts are all, of course in

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<v Speaker 11>the late years. They're basically putting that off to another Congress.

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<v Speaker 11>But all the good stuff is happening up front. So

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<v Speaker 11>this is taking us. It's accelerating the path that we've

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<v Speaker 11>been running down now towards a fifty trillion dollar national debt.

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<v Speaker 11>And that's something it really it took off during COVID,

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<v Speaker 11>Like every crisis, they ramped up spending. The question always

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<v Speaker 11>been are we going to get that back down? Is

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<v Speaker 11>that just a Biden thing? A lot of people were

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<v Speaker 11>counting on the Republicans to make that happen, to try

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<v Speaker 11>to get us back down towards that twenty nineteen spending.

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<v Speaker 11>It looks like that is not happening.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Our friend Senator Ran Paul says, when the Democrats are

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<v Speaker 1>in charge, Republicans are the Conservative party, and when the

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<v Speaker 1>Republicans are in charge, there is no Conservative party. He

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<v Speaker 1>said that some time ago, but I know he feels

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<v Speaker 1>the frustration of this spending level right now being where

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<v Speaker 1>it is. If that cohort you just described in the Senate,

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<v Speaker 1>the Ron Johnson's, Rick Scott, Mike Lee, ran Paul group

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<v Speaker 1>a word to be successful at attacking some of the spending.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think is some of the most fruitful

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<v Speaker 1>area where you don't lose the votes of Murkowski, Collins,

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<v Speaker 1>Josh Holly, people who don't want to see any changes

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<v Speaker 1>to the medicaid program.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, probably right, So Medicaid is the biggest one. Just

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<v Speaker 11>linking that so that able, blonded people are not getting handouts.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, Medicaid kind of became a universal basic income,

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<v Speaker 11>and there are some censors. Republicans why, I think are

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<v Speaker 11>sort of counting on that to buy votes. The other

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<v Speaker 11>student loans, so Mike Lee says, just get out of it,

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<v Speaker 11>quit it. You know, if it's a real major then

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<v Speaker 11>you can borrow money from a bank, like if you're

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<v Speaker 11>going to become a doctor or an engineer or something.

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<v Speaker 11>Banks will Historically they did lend you.

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<v Speaker 2>Money for that.

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<v Speaker 11>However, nobody's going to lend you money to go get

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<v Speaker 11>a gender studies degree, and that is as it should be.

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<v Speaker 11>So you could argue, just get the government out of

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<v Speaker 11>student loans altogether. My sort of you know, one of

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<v Speaker 11>my complaints here is that they are not touching any

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<v Speaker 11>of the discretionary right, any of the stuff outside of

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<v Speaker 11>you know, social Security and Medicaid benefits, handouts. They're not

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<v Speaker 11>touching any of that because they say we can't because

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<v Speaker 11>of this is reconciliation. Well, you got military hikes in there. Okay,

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<v Speaker 11>that's discretionary. There are discretionary things in here. They can

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<v Speaker 11>play around with.

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<v Speaker 2>The bird role.

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<v Speaker 11>They could change the rules frankly, so you know, leaving

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<v Speaker 11>all of those hard choices, leaving the USA and the EPA,

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<v Speaker 11>leaving all that out of this so that they can

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<v Speaker 11>you know, deal with that when the filibuster is in play.

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<v Speaker 11>I think that's crazy. You have the power use it,

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<v Speaker 11>so I think that you don't have the sense of

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<v Speaker 11>urgency that I think a lot of voters, a lot

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<v Speaker 11>of Republican voters have that Trump has displayed, that Elon

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<v Speaker 11>has displayed. We don't seem to be seeing that out

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<v Speaker 11>of Congress. Instead, they're sort of making excuses. We can't

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<v Speaker 11>test this reconciliation. What are you going to do?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, what you just described the bird rule. I have

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<v Speaker 1>to explain that to the viewers. So in this lower

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<v Speaker 1>threshold you have to achieve where you don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>get sixty votes to pass something. The rule is that

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<v Speaker 1>it can only affect monetary policy. You can't do something like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, change birthright citizenship in a bill like that.

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<v Speaker 2>And the arbiter about whether.

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<v Speaker 1>Or not something affects monetary policy or not is the

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<v Speaker 1>Senate parliamentarian. So right now, one could say the most

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<v Speaker 1>powerful person in Washington, d C. Is the unelected Senate

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<v Speaker 1>parliamentarian because they are vested with the authority to call

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<v Speaker 1>balls and strikes as to whether or not something is

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<v Speaker 1>allowed in the bill, which is just maddening to hear. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>you talked about some of the discretionary spending. That's only

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<v Speaker 1>what eleven twelve percent of the bus. Don't we have

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<v Speaker 1>to attack some of the major mandatory drivers of spending

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<v Speaker 1>if we want any path off of you know, going

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<v Speaker 1>to fifty trillion in debt.

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<v Speaker 11>For sure, and you know some of the areas that

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<v Speaker 11>some of these physical concertive have mentioned, right, So there's

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<v Speaker 11>the medicaid, there's a student loan, uh, there's the eve,

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<v Speaker 11>the the you know, green energy handouts, even though there

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<v Speaker 11>are a bunch of you know, moderate or rhino Republicans

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<v Speaker 11>who don't want to cut those. I think the biggest

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<v Speaker 11>one though here, is really tactical. This is something that

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<v Speaker 11>Rand has talked about, for example, which is pairing this

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<v Speaker 11>bill with an increase in the debt ceiling gives up

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<v Speaker 11>a huge amount of leverage when it comes time to

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<v Speaker 11>set those discretionary budgets. So we saw a couple of

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<v Speaker 11>months ago Chuck Schumer back down on a government shutdown.

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<v Speaker 11>You know, because the Democrat base at this point is

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<v Speaker 11>government workers. We needed to use that. You know, there

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<v Speaker 11>are very few points of leverage to cut spending during

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<v Speaker 11>that discretionary discussion because you have the filibuster, which means

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<v Speaker 11>that you've got the unit party in charge. So that

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<v Speaker 11>was one of the key points of leverage. Bundling a

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<v Speaker 11>four trillion dollar hike that that ceiling. Not only is

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<v Speaker 11>that very off brand for the small government party, that

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<v Speaker 11>gives up a huge amount of leverage. So you know,

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<v Speaker 11>I think they're going for the quick wins here. They're

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<v Speaker 11>looking at it short term. We really have a historic

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<v Speaker 11>had a historic opportunity to cut some spending, and it

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<v Speaker 11>looks like that's not going to happen. I see some

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<v Speaker 11>people hoping that maybe this.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well wait a second, because the White House is saying,

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<v Speaker 1>regardless of what happens with the one big beautiful bill,

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<v Speaker 1>they have this nine billion dollar recision package that is

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<v Speaker 1>the first of several recision packages. Are you hopeful that

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<v Speaker 1>the you know, the rifle shot recision strategy that follows

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<v Speaker 1>this legislation will lead to any spending cuts?

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<v Speaker 11>Nine BILLI million, there's pretty small potatoes, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>I would be happy to.

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<v Speaker 11>Be wrong, you know, if they if they come out

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<v Speaker 11>with an absolute assembly line of these resisions and they

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<v Speaker 11>grew I that that, yeah, do.

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<v Speaker 2>You think it'll pass?

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<v Speaker 1>It's small, but it's you know, the journey of a thousand,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, miles has to start with a single step.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>I Mean what I worry about is you do all

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<v Speaker 1>the big spending, then you float a nine billion dollar

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<v Speaker 1>recision package that fails, and then we just sort of

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<v Speaker 1>lose the gumption to fight on spending cuts.

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<v Speaker 2>That's my concern. Do you share it.

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<v Speaker 11>Yeah, absolutely, do you know, I think that reconciliation because

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<v Speaker 11>you can pass it with you know, fifty votes. That's

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<v Speaker 11>really the opportunity. You got to pack as much as

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<v Speaker 11>you can in there. So if they're if they're stripping

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<v Speaker 11>it out, it's almost like they're giving.

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<v Speaker 2>Up on it.

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<v Speaker 11>And so they're gonna at this point pretend to pass

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<v Speaker 11>the stuff. I mean, nine billion is getting ridiculed because

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<v Speaker 11>it's such a small number. You know, Elon was hoping

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<v Speaker 11>for one and a half trillion or two trillion.

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<v Speaker 2>And now we're down to nine billion.

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<v Speaker 11>And you know, the response from the leadership in Congress

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<v Speaker 11>is always no, no, this is just the first one, and

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<v Speaker 11>it's gonna be a lot more like this.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll see, yeah, and sometimes we don't even make it

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<v Speaker 1>to the first one. Peter saint Ons, thanks for coming

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<v Speaker 1>on the program and explaining.

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<v Speaker 2>How all this stuff fits together. Very much appreciated. Thanks, math.

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<v Speaker 1>Ever, Big text AI has a liberal bias problem, and

934
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<v Speaker 1>it's not a glitch, it's a feature of the system.

935
00:49:54.480 --> 00:49:57.639
<v Speaker 1>Human Events dropped a bombshell exposing how systems like chat,

936
00:49:57.679 --> 00:50:02.880
<v Speaker 1>ept and Google's algorithms left spitting out progressive talking points

937
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<v Speaker 1>while sidelining a lot of conservative viewpoints and voices. From

938
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<v Speaker 1>dodging conservative content to framing neutral queries with woke spin,

939
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<v Speaker 1>these AI tools reflect the Silicon Valley elite worldview, not

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<v Speaker 1>that of everyday Americans. According to this piece, conservative media

941
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<v Speaker 1>has lost billions of dollars due to Big text censorship,

942
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<v Speaker 1>while left leaning outlet Scott Algorithm boosts and wires from

943
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<v Speaker 1>usaid this is no secret. In twenty twenty one, the

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<v Speaker 1>Wall Street Journal, not known as a bastion of conservatism,

945
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<v Speaker 1>conducted a study and found that Facebook was intentionally censoring conservatives.

946
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<v Speaker 1>To the surprise of no one. The Biden administration didn't

947
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<v Speaker 1>stop it. In fact, they were some of the folks

948
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<v Speaker 1>encouraging it. So how do we remedy this and a

949
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<v Speaker 1>world where AI is increasingly handling the world's workload and worldview.

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<v Speaker 1>So joining us now to discuss is Larry Ward. He

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<v Speaker 1>is the man who's been sounding an alarm on this

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<v Speaker 1>matter and as the president of Political Media.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Larry, how did you go about the research.

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<v Speaker 1>To showcase this liberal bias and a lot of these lllms.

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<v Speaker 12>So I've been in the digital political space for over

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<v Speaker 12>twenty years. We host lots of conservative publications and organizations,

957
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<v Speaker 12>and we've been in this parallel economy space since two

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<v Speaker 12>thousand and four building our own marketing tech and helping

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00:51:19.519 --> 00:51:25.079
<v Speaker 12>helping conservatives kind of avoid the censorship and the demonetization model.

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<v Speaker 2>But so many people are using AI.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, what risks do you conservative viewpoints face to be squelched?

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<v Speaker 2>Out.

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<v Speaker 12>Well, I mean, just look at when you Google something

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<v Speaker 12>and you get the first page of Google and it's

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<v Speaker 12>all negative. Right, that's what people make their decisions on currently.

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<v Speaker 12>Now with AI, it's the first prompt. So if you google, say,

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<v Speaker 12>for example, you google tell me about Congressman Matt Gates,

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<v Speaker 12>it's going to have a liberal bias and you actually

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<v Speaker 12>have to argue with it. Yes, you actually have to

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<v Speaker 12>argue with it in terms of getting it to give

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<v Speaker 12>you give us, you know, the actual facts about your background.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even have time to argue with all of

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<v Speaker 1>the humans who believe false things about me, much less

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<v Speaker 1>the robots.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that what we have to do.

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<v Speaker 1>We have to go we have to go joust digitally

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<v Speaker 1>with the robots to correct the record.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, right now we do because it's all of the

979
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<v Speaker 12>models have been trained on liberal publications. You know, Amazon

980
00:52:16.679 --> 00:52:20.800
<v Speaker 12>just had a big deal with uh with AWS where

981
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<v Speaker 12>AWS and Amazon had a big deal with.

982
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<v Speaker 2>New York Times.

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<v Speaker 12>Yeah, uh, probably hundreds of millions of dollars to feed

984
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<v Speaker 12>New York Times. What maybe it lost from usaid right?

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<v Speaker 12>AI D and and so it's pulling that content from

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<v Speaker 12>the from the New York Times.

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<v Speaker 2>So what do we do to fight back other than

988
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<v Speaker 2>gripe with robots.

989
00:52:40.039 --> 00:52:42.360
<v Speaker 12>Well, the first thing we can do is we can

990
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<v Speaker 12>work with the administration to get them to mandate these

991
00:52:46.119 --> 00:52:49.880
<v Speaker 12>operations in one way or another. Pressure mandate, get a coggression.

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<v Speaker 12>What type of these these llms, these AI companies to

993
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<v Speaker 12>not only weigh conservative publications the same as a weigh

994
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<v Speaker 12>liberal publications because it's all based on weights.

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<v Speaker 2>Is there transparency into that waiting system? Now?

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<v Speaker 12>No, absolutely not.

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00:53:07.719 --> 00:53:11.320
<v Speaker 1>So would that be a driver of more neutrality if

998
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<v Speaker 1>if there was a negative waiting regarding conservative publications or viewpoints,

999
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<v Speaker 1>that that at least be disclosed to the viewers so

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<v Speaker 1>they could self select to a model that would that

1001
00:53:21.880 --> 00:53:23.400
<v Speaker 1>would be more reflective of reality.

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<v Speaker 12>It would absolutely have to be transparent. And the second

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<v Speaker 12>part of it is because Silicon Valley has demonetized the publications,

1004
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 12>a lot of them. I mean, O. A. N is

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<v Speaker 12>a great example that has kind of stood in the

1006
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<v Speaker 12>gap and taken and taken a beating from you know,

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00:53:39.199 --> 00:53:42.239
<v Speaker 12>from the liberals, from the Democrat and from the Silicon left,

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00:53:42.239 --> 00:53:48.239
<v Speaker 12>Silicon Valley. It's it's taken a beating financially, while like

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<v Speaker 12>like you mentioned the New York Times and The Washington

1010
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:54.480
<v Speaker 12>Post and Politico have all been funded by taxpayers.

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00:53:54.519 --> 00:53:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's so interesting that that those things seem to

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<v Speaker 1>work as like a sequence of waves. The first wave

1013
00:54:01.840 --> 00:54:05.400
<v Speaker 1>is the censorship that rolls over you, that limits your reach,

1014
00:54:05.559 --> 00:54:07.960
<v Speaker 1>and then the second wave is the AI training model

1015
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<v Speaker 1>that says, well, obviously what people are consuming are these

1016
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<v Speaker 1>publications that we have elevated to the expense of other

1017
00:54:14.880 --> 00:54:17.639
<v Speaker 1>voices that we've diminished. Do you think that the administration

1018
00:54:17.719 --> 00:54:20.000
<v Speaker 1>can do this without a change in the law or

1019
00:54:20.039 --> 00:54:21.239
<v Speaker 1>does Congress have to get involved.

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<v Speaker 12>I think they can put some pressure that you know,

1021
00:54:23.239 --> 00:54:27.880
<v Speaker 12>President Trump has a tremendous bully pulpit, and these organizations

1022
00:54:27.960 --> 00:54:30.840
<v Speaker 12>they all want favor from the administration.

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<v Speaker 2>You saw who was act So you think we could

1024
00:54:32.599 --> 00:54:35.840
<v Speaker 2>get cajoled compliance. Absolutely, has it gotten better?

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I asked the robot questions about me sometimes,

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<v Speaker 1>and it does seem that they get a little more

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<v Speaker 1>accurate over time.

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<v Speaker 12>Not really, Okay, not really. It's probably because they're learning

1029
00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:48.480
<v Speaker 12>about you and that they probably know that it's you

1030
00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:52.480
<v Speaker 12>asking about you, so over time they'll feed you more

1031
00:54:52.480 --> 00:54:55.559
<v Speaker 12>of what you want to hear. But somebody from the outside,

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<v Speaker 12>you go to a new open a new account, go

1033
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<v Speaker 12>a go to an IP address that they not recognize,

1034
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<v Speaker 12>and you'll get the actual real answer. The second part

1035
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<v Speaker 12>of this is these AI companies have to put their

1036
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<v Speaker 12>money where their mouth is. Not only do they if

1037
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<v Speaker 12>they funding The New York Times with hundreds of millions

1038
00:55:11.880 --> 00:55:15.480
<v Speaker 12>of dollars, they need to fund oan, They need to

1039
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<v Speaker 12>fund groups like Human Events in the Post Millennial and

1040
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<v Speaker 12>Washington Examiner and.

1041
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<v Speaker 2>All of these other operations.

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<v Speaker 12>They need to come to the table with the same

1043
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<v Speaker 12>or better offer because of all of the demount offication.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love just not to any of it.

1045
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<v Speaker 1>A country that's headed to fifty trillion in debt, let

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<v Speaker 1>everybody go fight based on the merit of their reporting

1047
00:55:34.920 --> 00:55:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and their ideas. But do you think that we're headed

1048
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<v Speaker 1>to a world where these AI large language models will

1049
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<v Speaker 1>really be the sole source of news for a lot

1050
00:55:43.440 --> 00:55:44.079
<v Speaker 1>of Americans?

1051
00:55:44.079 --> 00:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>One percent closer to that. We're very close.

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<v Speaker 12>And it's scary because look what would happen in twenty twenty, say,

1053
00:55:50.840 --> 00:55:55.280
<v Speaker 12>when COVID hit. These AI models would of course they

1054
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<v Speaker 12>would be pulling from the same liberal sources and they'd

1055
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<v Speaker 12>be telling their people that no, you need to get

1056
00:55:59.440 --> 00:56:02.159
<v Speaker 12>this shot, you need to wear the mask you need

1057
00:56:02.199 --> 00:56:04.800
<v Speaker 12>to stay in, of course, not if it's not if

1058
00:56:04.800 --> 00:56:07.440
<v Speaker 12>you have to go to a Black Lives Matter protest.

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<v Speaker 1>And we did learn that Biden administration officials were putting

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<v Speaker 1>pressure on these social media platforms to remove true information.

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<v Speaker 2>Because they just didn't like that. It led to vaccine hesitancy.

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<v Speaker 1>And if you know there's going to be a force

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<v Speaker 1>against the truth, I guess I would prefer it be

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<v Speaker 1>a human that we could expose and harangue in a

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<v Speaker 1>congressional hearing. I don't know how we call in the

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<v Speaker 1>robot in the LM to yell at them for censorship.

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<v Speaker 1>The way we do with humans probably would be tougher.

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<v Speaker 12>It is, And you know what, we have to look

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<v Speaker 12>at AI differently. A lot most people are looking at

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<v Speaker 12>AI as another technology, as an alternative to Google.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not. It's an artificial entity.

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<v Speaker 12>And we have to start looking at it as an

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<v Speaker 12>artificial entity because it can think, it can act, it

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<v Speaker 12>can do.

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<v Speaker 2>Things for you.

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<v Speaker 12>Once it's in the Tesla robots, they'll walk around and

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<v Speaker 12>talk to you and survey drinks and do all this

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<v Speaker 12>other stuff. And we actually have to look at it

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<v Speaker 12>as an entity. If we look at it as an

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<v Speaker 12>entity like a corporation or government or a human. Those

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<v Speaker 12>things have laws and rules and godrails around them, and

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<v Speaker 12>those things have, you know, ways to prevent them from

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<v Speaker 12>causing harm, and we have to start looking at.

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<v Speaker 6>It that way.

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<v Speaker 1>Larry Ward, I'm so glad you are thinking about these things,

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<v Speaker 1>and I hope you're able to make progress in bringing

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<v Speaker 1>some sanity to a system that seems like it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be increasingly important in how we think about things,

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<v Speaker 1>and how we react to the news.

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<v Speaker 2>And how we live our lives. Appreciate you being with us, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>thanks for having That's all the time we have.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be back tomorrow, nine Eastern six specific. Make sure

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<v Speaker 1>Fine Point with Chanelle.

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<v Speaker 2>Yon's up next.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's go get them
