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Speaker 1: Hello Shirley fans, and welcome to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here today to discuss two

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iconic movies, Alien and Aliens.

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Speaker 2: Hey wait, wait, wait wait wait, excuse me, sir.

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Speaker 3: It's gonna be another bug hunt.

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Speaker 4: We're an express elevator to Hell going down.

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Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. All right, so we're gonna start off

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with Alien, a movie about an unwanted pregnancy.

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Speaker 3: Yes, traumatic unwanted pregnancy.

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Speaker 1: All right, everybody, Welcome back to the Shirley You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast. We are here today to discuss two

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iconic movies, Alien and Aliens. There are other movies in

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this franchise, but they do not meet our standards for

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this podcast, and so we will not be discussing them.

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Only the first two movies. Do you remember seeing either

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one of these movies? Jason, Okay, yes, I absolutely do.

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Here's the deal with Alien. Alien came out in seventy nine.

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Speaker 3: I was six.

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Speaker 2: This was one of those movies that scared the pants

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off of me, but I knew I had to see it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So I was at a friend's house and his parents

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had rented it, and we managed to drum up the

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courage to watch the chestburster scene, right and scare me

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to death like Nightmare City, right right, Super scary but thrilling. Yeah,

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super exciting, right, what about you?

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Speaker 1: Okay, So I don't remember seeing Alien at all. I

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mean I was born in seventy five. This came out

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in early or mid seventy nine, so I was only

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three years old. I didn't see it, but it was

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kind of like Jaws. It was just kind of part

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of my conscious. My dad, I know, loved the movie,

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and seven years later when Aliens came out, I can

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remember him taking me to the theater to watch the movie,

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which was a big deal because I was not allowed

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to watch rated our movies. Right, But he would go

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and watch the movie beforehand, make sure there weren't any boobies.

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The F word was okay for this particular scenario because

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of the movie.

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Speaker 3: It was it's combat scenario.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, I mean it's like like like my wife

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and I say, you have inappropriate and funny, and if

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the funny outweighs the inappropriate us, then it's okay. And

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in this movie, the awesomeness far outweigh the inappropriateness of

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the language. And so he brought me in to see it,

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and he was convinced, convinced that the alien was going

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to come to Earth through the cat through jonesy Oh, okay,

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that's interesting. So watching it for this podcast, I texted

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you yesterday and I was like, oh my gosh. The

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scene where she has to run away, where she's about

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to escape, the countdown is happening and she has to

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run away because the alien is standing where she's trying

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to go in the escape ship. You see the alien's

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face as she's running back to try to turn off

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the self destruct button, and the alien's face is right

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over the cat's head, and I was just like, this

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had to be like a fan theory, right, I mean,

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you've got seven years of time where all kinds of

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theories develop about what's going to happen with aliens, and

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so I'm thinking he had to be he had to

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be one of those guys who was like, I know,

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I saw the cat's head underneath the alien when she

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ran off to try to stop the countdown, but I

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had never seen it before this time.

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Speaker 2: Really Okay, cool, Well let me tell you about the

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time I saw aliens. Okay, So I did not see

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it in the theater. I don't know how it got

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past me. I think the summer of eighty six, I

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was just all top gun and that was it, right.

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So I saw it on HBO the next summer, summer

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of eighty seven, and I remember the night I had

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a friend came over for a family dinner and it

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was one of those things where I probably should have

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been politely sitting at the table, engaged in conversation, but

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I could not tear myself away from the TV.

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Speaker 1: I am frequently that guy.

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Speaker 3: I knew I was being rude, but I could not

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help it. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it blew.

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Speaker 2: My doors off. This is one of my all time favorites.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, before we get going, I just want to point

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something out. We have been talking to each other now

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for a couple of years, face to face, and one

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of the reasons that I can do that is because

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you don't have nose hair. Have you been talking to

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people and like you can't even concentrate on what they're

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saying because of their nose hair.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, they like tuck to you.

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Speaker 1: It dangles, yes, it wiggles. It's a total distraction.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: And so let me let me say, if you are

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Speaker 2: It is an amazing product. It trims your nose hair.

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It's not embarrassing. You just stick it up there. It

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takes care of it.

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Speaker 1: You're not gonna look at people and bother them, right,

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And I'm one of those guys who's self conscious about

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my nose hair. So somebody that you're gonna see me

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and I'm gonna be like yanking them out and wincing

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point out that a giraffe is easier to see in

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the planes than it is in the forest, So that's wonderful. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 3: So it's very good around sensitive areas, if you know

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Speaker 1: Yeah. They have also an entire shavekit called the Ultra

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Speaker 2: So who doesn't want their package ultra.

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Speaker 3: Whack it.

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Speaker 1: Perfect. I mean, and I gotta say Bill Paxton was

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a key part of why this movie stuck in my mind,

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stuck in my memory. Such a great job and his

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first real movies, first breakout performance. I mean, he had

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been a part of a couple of other things, but

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I'm excited to talk about him when we get into casting.

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Speaker 3: Are we talking about where he's science today too?

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Speaker 1: Maybe?

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Speaker 3: All right, great, let's dive in.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So our story begins in rural Missouri where Dan

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O'Bannon grew up. Dan O'Bannon is the author of Alien,

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and he grew up in a town that was so

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rural and so small. He didn't even have a telephone

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until he was ten years old.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no library, no TV.

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Speaker 1: Right. His dad ran this kind of curio, weird event

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weird like you know, had one of those rooms that

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when you stand on one end you look big and

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stand in the other you look small, little tilted room.

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he and his dad created a false UFO sighting got

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the News to come down to this curio. So I

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think that that part of you know, imprint moment number one, Right,

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we talked about imprint moments with Prince. This imprint moment

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for Dan O'Bannon number one fake UFO sighting. The News

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shows up to, you know, to investigate imprint with his

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mom is there's no library in the town, so she

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just orders books and she wants him to read literature,

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but he loves science fiction. And it's like us with

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our kids in the iPhones. You're not sneaking at science fiction,

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are Yeah? Get back here, you like, I would love

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it if my kids just read science fiction. It'd be fantastic. Right.

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So he's got literary background, he's got science fiction, and

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he's got a little bit crazy with his UFO deck.

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Speaker 2: This picture of a styrofoam plate landed three miles outside

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Speaker 1: So he ends up going to college. He does stand

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up comedy, does make up for the theater productions there

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at his college, and a little later on he's reading

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a Playboy magazine and the article is a great need

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they are and he's actually reading the articles, and one

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of the articles is about the best film schools, like

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it's Playboy's pick of the best film schools. He sees

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that USC is one of those schools, and he's like,

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Speaker 1: And so he goes out to USC and he meets

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this guy named John Carpenter.

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Speaker 1: Have you heard of him?

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Speaker 2: You know he did the thing and he did stay

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Speaker 1: Right. He and John Carpenter get together and they make

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this student film called dark Star Dark Star. You know

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twenty years into its mission of destroying planets. So because

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they might threaten the future colonization of other planets sounds

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talk about today. Right. So they're working on this film

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he's in it number one. He does all the special effects,

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which I got to say that the spaceship stuff great.

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it's more of it's more of a sci fi comedy

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than a sci fi horror movie. But anyway, he and

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screw you, I'm gonna go make my own movie. Why

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is this a big deal since it's just a student film. Well,

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it turns out that actually goes to big release. And

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that's really important because one of the guys who happens

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to see this movie is a guy named Alejandro Pordorowski. Okay,

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so if you don't recognize that name, I'm going to

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remind you. He came up when we were doing our

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Canners episode. Wow, Mike was talking about this documentary called

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horder Rowski's Dune. Howdarowski was this really weird, like he

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made some really really strange movies, But he was the

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all encompassing thing and he went through this huge, huge

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development process only to have it ultimately turned down. But

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in that development process, he's finding people, right, and Mike

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talked about he's looking for spiritual warriors. So Howdiowski's looking

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for for a guy to do his special effects, And

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who's the first guy that you should go to. This

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the guy who did the special effects for two thousand

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is Douglas Trumble And he goes and meets with him,

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and Doug Trumbull is like, Okay, you know, your ideas

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gotta find somebody else. Leaves talking to him. Is walking

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watch Dark Star, okay, and so he sees the special

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effects in Dark Star. He's like, we need to find

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out who did this. We need to make this guy

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our guy. We need to find him and the special

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effects Dan O'Bannon had done special effects and he had

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won a Saturn Award, and so they were able to

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locate him and they're like, hey, we're making this movie.

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Sell all your stuff, fly to France and come make

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this movie with us, And so Dan Obannon sells all

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of his stuff, flies to France and they start making

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Number one hr Geiger.

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Speaker 2: Hr Geiger is a very interesting, demented even artist who

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comes up with these incredible paintings that they base the

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Speaker 3: Yes, they're freaky, yes.

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Speaker 1: And so he and Dan O'Bannon immediately hit it off

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has done illustrations for a book that Lovecraft did called Necronomicon. Yeah,

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but ultimately Dune doesn't happen. The studio gets this monumental

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book of the whole movie that Haraski has put together,

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and they basically say no, we're not doing it, and

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his dream is dashed and Dan O'Bannon is now broke.

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He goes back home, except he has no home. He's

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living on people's couches. And one of the people's couches

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that he's living on is this guy named Ronald Shuett.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Ronald Shusett is the guy that he ends up

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working on the screenplay for the original Alien with Yes.

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Speaker 1: So he's sleeping on his couch. Shusett is keeping him

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alive with hot dogs.

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Speaker 2: His wife is working right, and these two guys are

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laying around talking about making a movie.

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Speaker 1: Right. Well, Shusett had done a movie before it was

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called W had started Twiggy. He had produced that movie.

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So he's not nobody, but it's W by Twiggy. What no, no,

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but yeah right bug. So Dan O'Bannon is working on

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this script called Memory right, and the idea is it's

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a space adventure horror movie that somehow the aliens are

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causing the astronauts to forget. That's part of the plot

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line right there, they're erasing their memory. But all he's

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got is the first twenty nine pages, and the first

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twenty nine pages are basically the beginning of the movie Alien.

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it is he can't think of how to get the

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alien on board. So he had started he had started

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struggling about twenty four years old. He had started struggling

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with Crohn's disease, which is an intestinal disease. So he

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had this idea that he wanted the alien to be

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unpleasant and come out of a stomach. You know, this

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kind of miserable experience ultimately ends up killing Dan O'Bannon.

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He died from this disease. But anyway, he's he's got

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this idea, but he doesn't know how to put it together.

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And then one night he's sleeping on the couch, Ronald

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Shuest wakes him up and he's like, I've got the

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answer and he's like, what, Yes, I've got the answer

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to how the alien gets on board. He's like, oh, oh,

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you got the answer.

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Speaker 4: Okay, what and he goes he He's like, yes, he

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launches onto his face, he sticks it two down his throat,

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he plants his seed while also feeding him air, and

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that's how it gets in his stomach.

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Speaker 1: And then you can have it come out and then

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we just gotta figure out the rest of your movie.

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Speaker 3: This is genius.

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Speaker 1: This is the biggest, most important part of this whole movie.

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Speaker 3: Okay, so here's my thoughts on this.

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Speaker 2: We talked, I know we're gonna dive deep on this,

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but when they started talking about this idea, they latched

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onto it and they're like, this is great, this is

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super uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: This is like male rape, right, and.

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Speaker 1: So that's really like this whole movie I didn't realize

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it before, is all very much a sexual attack. Right.

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It's all very much about rape. It's about rape, it's

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about rape and pregnancy because of it. It is the

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underlying subtext of the entire movie.

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Speaker 2: So they were talking about how they're going to do it,

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and so he got involved in studying wasps. There are

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wasps who lay eggs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they lay the eggs inside of like a caterpillar

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or something like that.

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Speaker 3: I watched some of these.

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Speaker 1: Oh, my word is horrific, like because the wasp hits

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the caterpillar and then the caterpillar just keeps on going. Yeah.

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It's like, oh I just got stung by a wasp. Yeah,

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no big deal, keep on going. I'm all right, Yeah,

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until like all of a sudden, it starts twitching and

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then things start using out its sides, and it deflates

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as the larvae come out after having devoured its intestines.

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Speaker 3: That's about the.

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Speaker 2: Most unpleasant way to die that I can think of, Right,

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I know we're.

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Speaker 3: Gonna get to it.

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Speaker 2: But the lady who interviewed Ridley Scott after the movie

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came out the first critic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we listened to her interview.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was so offended by this.

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Speaker 1: She was so condescending. I mean, I'm sitting there watching

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this thing. I'm like, how dare you? How dare you

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talk to Sir Ridley Scott in this way? But he

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wasn't Sir Ridley Scott, right, he was just a guy

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who had directed his second movie, right, And she didn't

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know what was going to happen with it was before

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the movie was released. She was just upset because it

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got a little gory.

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Speaker 3: It got way gory for her.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and really, s guy's like, listen, there's only one

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scene that's kind of pretty gory, but that's that's it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. There are scenes where you hear things and where

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things are suggested, but the only scene where you've got

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blood is the one chest bursting scene, one scene in

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the whole movie. But man, it made the whole movie.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely so.

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Speaker 1: After figuring out the face hugger rape, ron shut it

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suggests that O'Bannon use another film idea that he had

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talked to him about before. About you ready for this?

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Grimlins on a B seventeen bomber during World War Two?

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Speaker 2: All Right?

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Speaker 3: Interesting?

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Speaker 2: Flashback to our Grimmins episode.

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Speaker 1: Yes, but you know, change it so it's a spaceship

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and that make that the second half of the story.

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So he does that, He's got it put together and

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he's like, okay, time to call hr Geiger. Yeah. And

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so Geiger is also you know I mentioned a fan

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of love Craft. He's done this, done this artwork related

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to Necronomicon, and he's also inspired by ancient Egypt. The

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original place where the eggs were found was supposed to

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be a pyramid. Okay this do you see this? No? Okay,

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So it's supposed to be a pyramid, and on top

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of the pyramid is the Egyptian goddess of the night sky.

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Do you know what her name is? No? Newt what? Yes?

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Get out right? So they go forward with this script.

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They've got the original title. They change it from memory

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because they took that part out. Change it to Starbeast.

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They brought it to Roger Corman, who said it would

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be better on a big budget. Shop it around and

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try to find a big budget for it. And if

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you can't find that, then I'll make it right. This

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is interesting because it is very similar to a Roger

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Corman movie. From like nineteen sixty six called Queen of Blood.

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Speaker 2: Queen of Blood looks like a bad Star Trek episode

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where there's a alien, a woman alien, who lays her

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eggs to kill humanity. Yes, and like the climactic scene

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at the end is this guy is like, oh, check

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it out. I've got a trade full of jello shots

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that are her eggs.

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Speaker 1: Right. So Dan is very famous for this quote. He said,

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I didn't steal from anybody. I stole from everything.

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Speaker 2: Huh.

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Speaker 1: So here here's some works of fiction that are kind

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of the inspiration points. Okay, You've got Seeds of Jupiter,

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which is a comic where these seeds land on an

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aircraft carrier and this guy who's known for putting peach

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pits in his mouth, they call him peach Pit. They

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convince him to put one of these seeds from Jubeirase

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in his mouth, and then of course he gets sick.

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They cut him open. A giant alien pops out and

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then falls into the sea, and they're like, oh, well,

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we'll never see that again, right of course you won't. Okay.

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over by alien. Lovecraft himself had this thing called Mountains

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of Madness where there are fossils of aliens that come

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to life in Antarctica. There's a crew that goes down

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to Antarctica and they're looking and they find these ancient

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aliens they end up bringing back to life. They're indestructible.

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when they're trying to communicate with the Moon, they refer

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to it as Antarctica. I was like, whoa, okay, whoa whoa?

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That comes straight from Lovecraft's Mountain of Madness. And then

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of course there's the movies. There was it, The Terror

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from Beyond Space, which really Scott actually says is one

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of the movies that inspired him to become a director.

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One man left after the crew is killed by aliens.

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They don't believe him, but then they end up the

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alien starts killing everybody else inside the vents and stuff

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that you got the Thing from Another World, which we

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know as the Thing, the original one, Yes, hatching alien

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eggs examined in the lab. You've got Planet of the

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Vampires where they find the giant alien corpse. We talked

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about Queen of Blood.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you got some older ones too, like Them

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and The Black Scorpion and The Deadly Mantis, this idea

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of being attacked by bugs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so all of those movies were kind of B

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movies right there. Sure they are horror sci fi movies,

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but they were never like mainstream. And this is it's interesting.

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This movie comes out in nineteen seventy nine, which is

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kind of the tail end of what was called the

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New Hollywood. Right So, in the late sixties, there was

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this big court case US versus Paramount where they basically said,

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all of these movie studios have a monopoly. We're not

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gonna let you own these movie theaters anymore and control

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all of the distribution production. And what resulted was New Hollywood,

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where the directors of the movies had a whole lot

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more say so about what happened in the movie, which

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is why you get these phenomenal directors from like nineteen

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sixty eight up to nineteen eighty five. That's when all

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of these incredible directors come to life.

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Speaker 2: We're talking like Lucas, Scorsese, Spielberg, Kubrick, Coppola.

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Speaker 1: Yeah that's enough. Yeah, that's a pretty good batch right there. Okay,

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so after Roger Corman says shop it around. They get

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it to this guy named Mark Hagar, who gets the

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script to Walter Hill. Walter Hill has just formed this

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production company with a couple of other guys called Brandywine. Okay,

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and he reads the script and hates it until he

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gets to page thirty okay, and then he's like, oh

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my gosh, we got to make this movie. So Walter

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Hill is going to direct, his production company is going

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to is going to produce the movie. And Dan is like, okay,

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but we've got to get Geiger over here to do

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the design of the movie because he's my guy, right,

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And so Dan sends him a letter, send Geiger a

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letter and says, we want you to come over. We

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want you to do the design on this and just

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let us know what it's going to cost, and we

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will send you a thousand dollars check as a retainer

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to come on over. And the guys at Brandywine said,

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we don't want to pay this guy one thousand dollars.

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So Dan's like, then I'll write him and check myself.

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The guy who's living on couches says, I will write

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the thousand dollars myself. That's how important it is to me.

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Speaker 2: Let's talk about the alien for just a second. Okay,

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that alien is so creepy. It's it's got the metallic teeth,

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it's got the double jaw, it's got that nasty slime

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coming out of its mouth. It's black and slick and

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looks like a roach. But it's seven feet tall and

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he's got tails. But they do a great job of

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hiding it during the course of the movie, which we'll

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talk about here in a minute.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so the first thing that Geiger draws form is

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not the big alien, but the face hugger. Okay, just

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imagine the face hugger is kind of like a crab slash,

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a crab with fingers yeah, and a tail. Yes, a

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deadly tale. Right. And when the guys from brandy Wine

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and Fox see the paintings that Geiger has done, they

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fire him and send him back home. Then the guys

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from Fox get a call from Walter Hill who says,

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you know what, I've decided, I'm not going to direct

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this movie. I'll see you guys later. You can figure

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out who you want to direct it, but it's not

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going to be me. And they're like, oh crap, what

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are you doing. He's like, oh, I'm going to go

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direct this movie called Southern Comfort. Right, not a bad movie,

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but it's not alien.

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've seen Southern covert.

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Speaker 1: So they are looking for a director, they're looking for actors.

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They talked to Tom Scarett, and Tom Scarett turns it down.

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He says, I get this script and they're like, and

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It's two million dollars. Oh, sounds like an Edwood movie.

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Good luck at that I'm not in. So fortunately, at

473
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this time, Ridley Scott has just finished up his first movie.

474
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Speaker 2: So, yeah, The Duellists is Ridley Scott's first movie. We

475
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talked about in our Highlander episode. It's got Harvey Kitel

476
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,200
and David Carrodine and these guys are fighting each other

477
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across time.

478
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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, the inspiration book about Highlander, except that it's

479
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over thousands of years instead of over fifteen years. So anyway,

480
00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:07,400
Ridley Scott had started off as a trainee set designer

481
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for BBC. He was supposed to design the Dalaks for

482
00:24:10,759 --> 00:24:13,319
Doctor Who, which was a big, huge deal, but because

483
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,079
of scheduling conflict, he ended up getting replaced by Raymond

484
00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:22,079
Cusick and ultimately decides to form his own production company

485
00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:27,440
called Ridley Scott Associates RSA. So what RSA does instead

486
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,240
of making movies is they make commercials, and they end

487
00:24:30,319 --> 00:24:33,119
up making some really successful commercials. They make a Hovis

488
00:24:33,279 --> 00:24:36,200
bread commercial that's still regarded as one of the best

489
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,759
commercials of all time, and they help revitalize Chanelle Number

490
00:24:39,799 --> 00:24:42,720
five with their commercials. So they're doing okay, they're doing

491
00:24:42,759 --> 00:24:44,799
all right. You know, they've got a steady income, but

492
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they're looking for scripts, they're looking for something new, and

493
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then he sees this movie that you might have heard

494
00:24:51,079 --> 00:24:56,680
of called Star Wars.

495
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Speaker 2: Star Wars changed the whole landscape from this seventies science

496
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fiction was kind of not really known as a moneymaker.

497
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People were not interested in doing it, and if it was,

498
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it was dystopian I.

499
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Speaker 3: Think Logan's run right.

500
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Speaker 2: It wasn't fun fantasy, shoot him up moneymakers.

501
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Speaker 1: So the du List came out the same year as

502
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Star Wars. Scott had intended to do Tristan and Islay.

503
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I don't know how he pronounced that name, some romantic

504
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old like Romeo and Juliet kind of deal until he

505
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saw Star Wars and he realized the potential for big

506
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special effects films.

507
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Speaker 2: Yeah, as I understand it. When Really Scott saw Star Wars,

508
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he said, who the f is?

509
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Speaker 3: George Lucas. Here's what I read.

510
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Speaker 2: I read that Really Scott was actually the fifth choice

511
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to direct Alien, So you talked about Walter Hill.

512
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Speaker 3: They also wanted a guy named Robert Aldrich.

513
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Speaker 2: He did The Longest Yard, YEP and The Dirty Dozen,

514
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and when he turned it down, they went to Peter Yeats,

515
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he did The Deep and the movie Kroll, the nineteen

516
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eighty Fantasy.

517
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Speaker 3: Yeahl Then they.

518
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,160
Speaker 2: Talked to a guy Jack Clayton, he did the original

519
00:26:03,279 --> 00:26:04,720
Mulan Rouge and Moby Dick.

520
00:26:04,920 --> 00:26:05,200
Speaker 1: Yeah.

521
00:26:05,759 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 2: And then they landed on this young guy named Ridley Scott.

522
00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:13,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. So Ridley Scott has a guy who produces his movies.

523
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They work together all the time, and his name's Ivor Powell.

524
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And Iver says, I'm normally the sci fi guy back then, right,

525
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like I would read it. He wasn't interested in that stuff,

526
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and until he saw Star Wars. And then we get

527
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this script that comes in called Starbeast and he's like, here,

528
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,440
let me read that. I'm like, you're gonna read it first, see, Yeah,

529
00:26:32,519 --> 00:26:34,519
let me let me read it first. So he goes

530
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off into like their commercial filming room, and in about

531
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fifteen minutes later, Iver Powell, here's Ridley Scott go.

532
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Speaker 4: Fuck me.

533
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:46,839
Speaker 1: And so I'm going to read for you. What what

534
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,680
caused that? Suddenly, unexpectedly, Broussard grimaces and groans Standard, what's wrong, Brussard?

535
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His voice is straining. I don't know, I'm I'm getting

536
00:26:55,559 --> 00:26:59,240
these cramps. The other stare at him in alarm. Another

537
00:26:59,279 --> 00:27:02,119
groan is from his lips. He clutches the edge of

538
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,960
the table with his hands, his knuckles whitening. Standard breathe deeply.

539
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:10,839
Broussards screaming, Oh God, it urts so bad. Robbie, what

540
00:27:11,319 --> 00:27:15,079
del what? Brussard's face is screwed up in a mask

541
00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:18,640
of agony, and he is trembling violently from head to foot.

542
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:25,920
Broussard incoherent street Oh. A red smear of blood blossoms

543
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,640
on the chest of Broussard's tunic. Their eyes are all

544
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:31,599
riveted to Brussard's chest as the fabric of his tunic

545
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is ripped open, and a horrible, nasty little head the

546
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,759
size of a man's fist pushes out. Everybody screams and

547
00:27:38,839 --> 00:27:42,359
leaps back from the table. A cat spits and bolts.

548
00:27:42,759 --> 00:27:46,920
The disgusting little head lunges comes spurting out of Brussard's chest,

549
00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:51,119
trailing a thick worm like tail, splattering fluids and blood,

550
00:27:51,559 --> 00:27:53,880
lands in the middle of the dishes and food on

551
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the table and scurries away while the men are stamping

552
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,599
for safe ground. Finally, when they regain control of themselves,

553
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:05,039
it has escaped. Broussard lies slumped in his chair, a

554
00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:09,000
huge hole in his chest, spouting blood. The dishes are

555
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:12,680
scattered and the food is covered with blood and slime.

556
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Speaker 3: Day f me.

557
00:28:19,759 --> 00:28:24,000
Speaker 1: So that's the chest burster scene. That's the money shot,

558
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if you.

559
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Speaker 3: Will, Yeah, it is.

560
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Speaker 1: It is so really Scott is in love and he

561
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,200
storyboards the entire movie. Okay, he's got like it's not

562
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,039
a photographic memory, it's it called something else al it's

563
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,319
called an idectic memory, where basically he can see a

564
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:42,279
picture and remember all of the details of a picture.

565
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:46,480
So he's also a really incredible artist. So he storyboards

566
00:28:46,519 --> 00:28:48,960
this entire movie and sends it back to Fox and

567
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,519
they say two million, how about ten? Yeah. They send

568
00:28:52,519 --> 00:28:54,720
it to Tom Scarett and he says ten million, and

569
00:28:54,839 --> 00:28:58,519
Ridley Scott I'm in. So Ridley and Dan immediately hit

570
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it off. But Ridley bill doesn't know what the alien

571
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is going to look like, and it's ultimately Dan O'Bannon

572
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:08,720
who brings him the picture that hr Geiger has done

573
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:12,640
from the Necronomicon, and as soon as Ridley Scott sees it,

574
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,680
he says, that's it, that's what we're doing. I've never

575
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,359
been so sure of anything in my life. And then

576
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,039
the guys at Fox, when they hear that he's trying

577
00:29:21,079 --> 00:29:24,160
to bring Geiger back, is like, hey, maybe we can

578
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,079
kind of throw some ideas around and talk about it,

579
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:31,359
and Ridley Scott says, no, this is what's going to happen.

580
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This is going to be hard enough to film as

581
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,799
it is, and we don't have time for your bs.

582
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440
This is what we're going to do. And the guys

583
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:39,559
a Fox say yes.

584
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Speaker 2: Sir, And that was a huge decision because the like

585
00:29:43,799 --> 00:29:48,200
we talked about, the alien is so fantastic in this movie.

586
00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:52,519
Speaker 1: So Ridley Scott is on, Geiger is back, Dan O'Bannon

587
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,319
is there and they're all working together and they start filming.

588
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:57,680
You ready to talk about aliens.

589
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,000
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Aliens, okay, which is gonna be a

590
00:30:07,039 --> 00:30:11,119
little tricky because being a direct sequel, we're leaning on

591
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,279
the success of the first movie. So there's some things

592
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:14,400
that we need to talk about from now.

593
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Speaker 1: We'll call it a flash forward flash forward okay, flash forward.

594
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:19,799
Alien is a monumental success.

595
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,640
Speaker 2: Alien does so good that they try to put a

596
00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:25,160
sequel into place right.

597
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: Off the back.

598
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, However, our main man, Alan Ladd Junior at Fox Studios.

599
00:30:30,559 --> 00:30:32,799
This is the same guy who went with George Lucas

600
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on Star Wars. Right, so he had Star Wars as

601
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:37,599
a massive hit, he had Alien as a massive hit.

602
00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:40,000
He leaves and the guy who came in and replaced

603
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:42,000
him that wasn't really interested in doing a sequel.

604
00:30:42,079 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it is Norman Levy and he was like, no,

605
00:30:44,319 --> 00:30:46,680
it's going to cost too much and sequels don't really

606
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,640
make any money. Did you see em Virus Strikes Back?

607
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:51,400
Did you see Return of the Jedi? What are you

608
00:30:51,440 --> 00:30:51,920
talking about?

609
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 3: Bro, guy's crazy.

610
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we have to wait long enough for him

611
00:30:55,960 --> 00:30:56,559
to clear out.

612
00:30:56,680 --> 00:31:00,200
Speaker 1: Okay, So they end up hitting David Geiler, who's one

613
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,640
of the members of the brandy Wine Productions. They see

614
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:04,400
him in the parking lot and they're like, hey, do

615
00:31:04,480 --> 00:31:07,960
you want to make Alien two? And he's like, yes,

616
00:31:08,039 --> 00:31:09,920
we've been trying to do that for a while now.

617
00:31:10,039 --> 00:31:14,720
And he's like, okay, what's your storyline? And he's like oh,

618
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,720
and so he makes this is what he does. He

619
00:31:17,799 --> 00:31:22,319
combined the ideas of Alien and Southern Comfort, and that's

620
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:25,039
the thing he pitches. Yeah, so it is it is

621
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:28,440
Aliens with soldiers, right, that's still the Southern Comfort is

622
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,960
a soldier movie, and then we have Alien and so

623
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:34,680
really he was right, that is what it becomes. But

624
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:37,960
it was just off the cuff. I'll throw two movies

625
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:38,480
together that.

626
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 3: I know, and soldiers and Aliens.

627
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 1: Yes, and so twentieth century Fox says that sounds good.

628
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,720
Let's make it happen.

629
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:46,200
Speaker 3: Let's backtrack just a little bit.

630
00:31:46,319 --> 00:31:51,359
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, there's this truck driver from Canada who comes

631
00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:52,640
into play here pretty well.

632
00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, his name is James Cameron. Yeah, he had not

633
00:31:57,000 --> 00:31:59,440
done particularly well in school. He ended up dropping out

634
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,720
of college becoming a truck driver. And then also he

635
00:32:02,839 --> 00:32:05,920
happened to see a movie. I guess there may be

636
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,279
a few folks that saw this movie called Star Wars.

637
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:11,920
Star Wars and he said, I want to go make movies. Yes,

638
00:32:12,119 --> 00:32:15,160
And so he goes and starts working for our friend

639
00:32:15,559 --> 00:32:16,279
Roger Corman.

640
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,720
Speaker 2: He gets a job as a production assistant for Roger Corman.

641
00:32:19,799 --> 00:32:22,799
James Cameron starts to take over. As you know, he's

642
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,640
a super talented guy and one of the things that

643
00:32:25,680 --> 00:32:29,200
he does is figure out ways to save money on

644
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,759
this Roger Corman project that he's working on called Galaxy of.

645
00:32:31,759 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 1: Terror right, which was a ripoff of Alien of Alien. Yes,

646
00:32:37,279 --> 00:32:40,079
and you, my friend, you Bit the bullet again.

647
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:44,559
Speaker 3: I watched this movie. It's available on two b TV for.

648
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:48,839
Speaker 2: Free, for free, for free, and I could barely It's

649
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:54,000
in killiherent and really weird. Joni Cunningham Aaron Moran from

650
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:55,839
Happy Days is kind of the main one.

651
00:32:56,079 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 3: Jony, Joni and Chachi.

652
00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh my gosh.

653
00:32:58,799 --> 00:33:02,119
Speaker 2: But on that set, Jim Cameron is in charge of

654
00:33:02,319 --> 00:33:05,839
building sets. He meets a young guy who says, hey,

655
00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:08,799
I'm here, I'm supposed to be working for He's like,

656
00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:13,599
what's your name, Bill Paxton? Bill, grab a paintbrush. He's like,

657
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:14,799
I haven't even been hired yet.

658
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 3: Go pay that wall.

659
00:33:17,480 --> 00:33:20,559
Speaker 2: So that's when James Cameron meets Bill Paxton, right.

660
00:33:20,519 --> 00:33:23,599
Speaker 1: And so he had done some other work, some other

661
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,440
work with Roger Corman, including a sequel to a movie

662
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,480
that we talked about when we were talking about Grimlins.

663
00:33:28,759 --> 00:33:32,920
You remember that Joe Dante had directed a Jaws knockoff

664
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,720
called Piranha. Yes, James Cameron was actually involved with the

665
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:37,400
sequel to Debt.

666
00:33:37,519 --> 00:33:39,079
Speaker 3: Okay, so here's what happened with that.

667
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:42,599
Speaker 2: He got that job because there's a scene in Galaxy

668
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:46,759
of Terror where a guy gets, for some unknown reason,

669
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:49,160
this piece of crystal crawls up his arm and he's

670
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:51,319
got to cut his own arm off, right, So the

671
00:33:51,359 --> 00:33:53,920
dude lops off his arm and on the ground and

672
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:57,440
then it becomes consumed with these worms. Okay. They would

673
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,359
put these mealworms on the arm and they wanted them

674
00:33:59,400 --> 00:33:59,880
to wiggle.

675
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:00,799
Speaker 3: They wouldn't wiggle.

676
00:34:00,839 --> 00:34:02,759
Speaker 2: So James Cameron's like, well, I think if you just

677
00:34:02,799 --> 00:34:06,400
plug in this wire to this end and you run

678
00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:10,239
electricity through that prop and they're like, oh well, let's

679
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:12,800
give it a try. And sure enough, the mill worms

680
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:17,000
are like they come alive. They start wiggling, and there's

681
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guys on the set that day.

682
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:22,199
Speaker 1: Do meal worms fall within the peda like Pretec.

683
00:34:22,679 --> 00:34:24,320
Speaker 2: We're gonna zap some meal worms.

684
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:25,039
Speaker 1: Yeah.

685
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 2: So, but there are some guys there that were Italian

686
00:34:28,440 --> 00:34:31,199
filmmakers who are looking for somebody to come work on

687
00:34:31,239 --> 00:34:33,760
Pirana too, and they're like, that dude right there, the

688
00:34:33,760 --> 00:34:35,719
guy who figured out how to do that, that's the

689
00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:37,760
guy we want. All right, everybody, I just want to

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Speaker 3: On podcast full of Crips back.

706
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Speaker 2: So James Cameron goes to Jamaica to make this movie

707
00:35:10,960 --> 00:35:11,760
called Parana.

708
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Speaker 3: Tu have you ever seen?

709
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,320
Speaker 1: No?

710
00:35:13,519 --> 00:35:14,119
Speaker 3: It's terrible?

711
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,480
Speaker 2: Okay, it's terrible. My gosh, I've seen it.

712
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's terrible.

713
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 2: The Italian filmmaker wanted credibility, so they had to have

714
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:24,880
an American director.

715
00:35:25,199 --> 00:35:26,199
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay.

716
00:35:26,679 --> 00:35:30,239
Speaker 2: Well, he was known for bringing on American directors so

717
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,880
that they get financing, then firing them, and then directing

718
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:37,519
it themselves. And so they fired Jim James Cameron during

719
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:40,400
the middle of the production. Oh man, But because James

720
00:35:40,400 --> 00:35:44,000
Cameron had no money, they even said, well, we know

721
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:44,800
we fired you, but.

722
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:46,840
Speaker 3: Can you make the poster for the movie.

723
00:35:47,599 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 2: And he's an incredible artist, right, he is an incredible artist,

724
00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,880
So he makes the poster, He draws the poster for

725
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:55,960
So he.

726
00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,960
Speaker 1: Had worked on a few movies other than Pirana Tuo.

727
00:35:59,119 --> 00:36:01,960
He he'd worked on on Exogenesis, He'd worked on Rock

728
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:06,280
and Roll High School. He actually worked as a special

729
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,039
effects guy for John Carpenter's Escape from New York.

730
00:36:09,119 --> 00:36:09,719
Speaker 3: Did he okay?

731
00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:13,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, So while he's going through this horrible experience on

732
00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:19,360
Pirana two, he's having nightmares. He's having nightmares about a

733
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,760
hit man who is coming to try to kill him,

734
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:25,039
and he can escape from the hit man, and the

735
00:36:25,119 --> 00:36:26,639
hit man is from the future.

736
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: This robot hit Man, which he later writes into a

737
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:32,960
screenplay called The Terminator, which we're going to talk about

738
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:34,400
here in a couple of weeks.

739
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:38,400
Speaker 1: Yep, So Terminator, Terminator two coming up in a couple

740
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,480
of weeks. They are all married together, these four films.

741
00:36:41,519 --> 00:36:43,239
Speaker 2: It's gonna be hard to unpack all this that.

742
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,480
Speaker 1: We're gonna put them all together. So he develops this

743
00:36:46,639 --> 00:36:49,960
script idea. He gives it to this girl that he

744
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:53,800
knew from working with Roger Corman. Her name is Gail

745
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,360
Ann Hurd, and she's like, I think I can get

746
00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,440
this made into a movie. So we won't go into

747
00:36:58,440 --> 00:37:00,679
the history of Terminator too much because we've got that

748
00:37:00,679 --> 00:37:03,559
one coming up. But safe to say, they get it

749
00:37:03,639 --> 00:37:08,840
green lit. They get Arnold Schwarzenegger as their star player

750
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:13,639
in this movie. But then Dino de la Reentes sticks

751
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,480
his nose in and says, I have preemptive rights, and

752
00:37:16,519 --> 00:37:18,840
Conan the Barbarian is successful, and we are going to

753
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:21,639
make ConA and the Destroyer, and so you can't have

754
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:24,119
him yet, right, and so they're stuck. They've got to

755
00:37:24,119 --> 00:37:27,679
wait for like nine months, and so he doesn't have

756
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:29,760
enough time to make a movie. But he's had these

757
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:32,760
guys from brandy Wine Productions hit him up about writing

758
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:35,199
a script, and that's how he ends up writing the

759
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,760
script for the movie Aliens.

760
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 2: Remember Dino de Larentis flashback to our Flash Gordon episode. Yeah,

761
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:46,960
Flash Flash, that's right. But imagine being a first time

762
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:51,800
director and you land Arnold Schwarzenegger. Yeah, and then some

763
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:57,280
big name bozo from Flash Gordon decides that Nope, I'm

764
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:59,840
gonna flex my muscles and he's gonna make my movie.

765
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 3: You're gonna have to wait. Yeah, So that opens up

766
00:38:03,320 --> 00:38:04,119
a pocket.

767
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,599
Speaker 2: Of time where he can't really make a movie, but

768
00:38:06,639 --> 00:38:09,639
he can take on a writing project. And that's when

769
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,840
Fox comes to James Cameron and said, you know what,

770
00:38:12,079 --> 00:38:13,960
we really like what we read in your script about

771
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:17,119
the Terminator. Why don't you give a stab at at Aliens?

772
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,239
They also say why don't you give a stab at

773
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:22,400
Rambo Part two, which he does as well. So he

774
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:23,559
writes Aliens, but he.

775
00:38:23,559 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 3: Doesn't finish it.

776
00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 2: He writes the first ninety pages. The president of twenty

777
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:28,199
Century Fox, his.

778
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 3: Name is Lawrence Gordon.

779
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,800
Speaker 2: He reads the first ninety pages and he's like, this

780
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:33,440
is amazing.

781
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 1: We will wait for a movie.

782
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 3: Studio to do that. That's really unheard us, right, And

783
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:40,960
this is his quote. I thought this is great.

784
00:38:41,159 --> 00:38:43,920
Speaker 2: He said, in this business there are those decisions that

785
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,800
you agonize and you lose sleepover. But this was so obvious.

786
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,599
This was a no brainer. Everything about him spelled right.

787
00:38:52,679 --> 00:38:53,679
Speaker 3: Guy nice.

788
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:57,800
Speaker 1: So here's what has confused me until just today, actually

789
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:02,000
is when I discovered the answer to this is why

790
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:04,840
didn't they have Ridley Scott come back and direct? Why

791
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,800
didn't they Well the answer is, we don't know. They

792
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:10,719
just didn't ask him. I mean, that's it. That's flat

793
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,119
out it. I mean it's you know, like the movie

794
00:39:13,159 --> 00:39:15,360
came out in eighty six, so they're they're going through

795
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:18,199
this process in eighty five. That's six years later. He's

796
00:39:18,239 --> 00:39:21,559
moved on. He's not a big fan. This is his quote, right,

797
00:39:21,639 --> 00:39:24,840
this is Ridley Scott. Here he says, interestingly enough, I

798
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:28,000
was never asked to do the sequel. Maybe because I

799
00:39:28,119 --> 00:39:30,159
was such a tough guy when I was doing it,

800
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:32,679
they didn't want me back. But I was also in

801
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:34,559
the habit of not wanting to do a sequel either,

802
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,480
so I would have never done it. Well, that's what

803
00:39:37,519 --> 00:39:41,119
he said in twenty nineteen. Before that, he had put

804
00:39:41,119 --> 00:39:43,199
it a little more simply, I was really pissed off,

805
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:45,559
frankly that they didn't ask me. I understand that they

806
00:39:45,599 --> 00:39:47,760
just didn't ask, and who knows what their motives were.

807
00:39:47,800 --> 00:39:49,840
And I can see if Fridley was the guy who's like,

808
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:53,159
screw you, we're not going to go talk about ideas

809
00:39:53,199 --> 00:39:56,320
for production. We're bringing an hr Geiger and that's the

810
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,880
end of the story and we're going to go start

811
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,400
filming now. He is that tough guy. He's guy who

812
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:05,039
got Gladiator green lit with thirty pages and scripts. Maybe

813
00:40:05,039 --> 00:40:06,679
they didn't want to work with that guy anymore. Maybe

814
00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,400
they wanted to work with the new guy who they

815
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,679
thought they could push around a little bit. But they're

816
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:12,679
probably wrong about James Cameron in that respect.

817
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, James Cameron is no pushover himself. Here's the thing

818
00:40:15,760 --> 00:40:19,119
with James Cameron. Most people don't understand. He's so talented

819
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,400
that he knows your job. He can do your job

820
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:25,360
better than you. I mean, he's an incredible artist. He's

821
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:30,519
an incredible filmmaker. He writes screenplays, and he worked as

822
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:33,639
like the behind the scenes guy in every job position.

823
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:34,599
Speaker 1: He's painted Waltz.

824
00:40:34,920 --> 00:40:37,039
Speaker 3: He painted a.

825
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:41,519
Speaker 2: Big mac styrofoam McDonald's burger holder on the wall to

826
00:40:41,559 --> 00:40:46,360
save money. So this guy has done everything and you Jackweed,

827
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,840
who are screwing around over there. I could do your

828
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:51,599
job better than you. Move over right, here's the deal.

829
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:54,159
So the Alien people decide to wait twenty sent Trick

830
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:56,960
Fox says, we love what you're doing, Terminator, we love

831
00:40:57,000 --> 00:41:00,400
the script for Aliens. We're gonna wait, and James Cameron says, well,

832
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,679
that's great. When I get done with Terminator, can I

833
00:41:02,719 --> 00:41:06,480
direct Aliens? And they're like, well, why don't we just

834
00:41:06,599 --> 00:41:08,519
see how Terminator goes first?

835
00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:08,840
Speaker 1: Right?

836
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,920
Speaker 2: Well, Terminator's this fantastic movie. It's a huge success. It

837
00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,639
was made on the cheap. Yeah, And so they came

838
00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:18,639
back and they're like, hey, remember you guys said we

839
00:41:18,639 --> 00:41:19,679
could do this right.

840
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: But when they say that, everybody else, all James Cameron's

841
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,039
friends are like, don't do this right, and he's like

842
00:41:26,079 --> 00:41:29,119
what He's like, I was a fanboy, like I loved

843
00:41:29,159 --> 00:41:32,719
the movie Alien and love Ridley Scott's take on it,

844
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,840
and I was excited to do it. But people were like,

845
00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:37,960
if you do this, everything that's good about the movie

846
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,400
people are going to attribute to Ridley Scott and everything

847
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,159
that's bad about the movie they're going to attribute to you,

848
00:41:43,519 --> 00:41:45,480
and he's like, I don't care. It's going to be

849
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:47,480
really cool, so I really want to do it. I

850
00:41:47,559 --> 00:41:49,199
mean this like me, if I was making a movie,

851
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:50,199
I'm like, I don't care.

852
00:41:50,559 --> 00:41:51,039
Speaker 3: I want.

853
00:41:51,119 --> 00:41:54,119
Speaker 1: I mean, if you were offered the opportunity to direct

854
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,360
the sequel to one of the movies that you hold

855
00:41:56,519 --> 00:41:59,280
deer in your heart, nobody's going to talk you out

856
00:41:59,320 --> 00:41:59,559
of it.

857
00:41:59,639 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, Alien turns out to be one of

858
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,679
the greatest horror movies of all time, right, and James

859
00:42:05,679 --> 00:42:08,599
Cameron is known as one of the best action directors

860
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:09,159
of all time.

861
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, And that's what he that's what he does is

862
00:42:11,239 --> 00:42:13,880
he's like, I don't think I can out horror Ridley

863
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,239
Scott's Alien. I can't do it. It's too it's too

864
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:19,960
well paced. And I mean this, I'll talk about this

865
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:23,079
more when we get into production on Alien. But it

866
00:42:23,159 --> 00:42:29,360
is slow, slow, punch in your face, slow, slow scream

867
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,000
in your face, and it's it's the perfect horror combo.

868
00:42:33,079 --> 00:42:36,440
It lulls you into this kind of relaxed state and

869
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,880
then it scares the crap out of you. And James

870
00:42:38,960 --> 00:42:41,400
Cameron said, I'm not going to try to outdo that.

871
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:43,760
I don't want to make a sequel to it. I

872
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:46,599
want to make part two of the story. Right. And

873
00:42:46,679 --> 00:42:49,119
the only instruction he was given by those guys when

874
00:42:49,119 --> 00:42:52,800
they said go write the script was Alien plus Soldiers.

875
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:55,920
And he's like, action, I got I can do action. Yeah,

876
00:42:55,960 --> 00:42:57,599
I can. I know how to do action. So we're

877
00:42:57,599 --> 00:42:59,440
not going to make a horror movie. We're going to

878
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,400
make it action movie. And that's exactly what Aliens is.

879
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:04,679
Speaker 3: Wow, we ready tak cast.

880
00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:05,440
Speaker 1: Let'stock cast.

881
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:06,599
Speaker 3: Okay, will let's.

882
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: Foot back to Alien the original Alien and talk cast.

883
00:43:09,119 --> 00:43:16,880
Speaker 1: Okay, So we've already talked about Tom Scarrett, right. He

884
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,519
played the part of Dallas, one of the first guys

885
00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:23,519
that got cast. He had spent four years with the

886
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,599
US Air Force after finishing at UCLA.

887
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 2: His call sign was viper I believe.

888
00:43:30,519 --> 00:43:32,440
Speaker 1: Very good. I know you get that reference. Thank you.

889
00:43:33,039 --> 00:43:35,960
He had done. It's interesting these guys have all done

890
00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:38,960
like these old you know, nicked night style shows. He

891
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:42,519
was on My Favorite Martian at some point. Whoa. Yeah,

892
00:43:42,639 --> 00:43:44,679
he was in mash he was in Harold and Maud.

893
00:43:45,039 --> 00:43:49,000
He played Strawberry in the movie Up and Smoke and

894
00:43:49,039 --> 00:43:51,320
so he gets the part of Dallas.

895
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:54,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know who he got it over. No, they

896
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,599
offered it to Harrison Ford.

897
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,320
Speaker 1: Get the heck out Harrison Ford. In nineteen seventy nine.

898
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 2: This is right after Star Wars had come out right

899
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,400
and he had done just a few things. He basically

900
00:44:06,519 --> 00:44:08,079
was known as Han Solo.

901
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 3: Yep, you know who else? They asked Tommy Lee Jones.

902
00:44:11,840 --> 00:44:13,480
Speaker 1: Ooh yeah, I could see that too.

903
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:14,599
Speaker 3: When they went to Tommy Lee.

904
00:44:14,599 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: Jones, they said, hey, we want you to read the script.

905
00:44:17,039 --> 00:44:19,039
We think he'd be good for this guy named Dallas.

906
00:44:19,360 --> 00:44:21,519
He reads the script, He's like, I'll tell you what

907
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:23,719
I do. Like one of the parts. I won't to

908
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,719
be the alien. They're like, man, nope, and he's like,

909
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:28,480
well then I'm out.

910
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,960
Speaker 1: Wow, okay, okay, We've got a Sir John Hurt playing

911
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,880
the part of Cain, the guy whose chest burst open.

912
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:39,119
He had done He had done a lot of Shakespeare stuff.

913
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,599
He had done a Man for All Seasons. He had

914
00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,559
played Caligula and i Claudius. He was the voice in

915
00:44:46,639 --> 00:44:49,800
the animated Lord of the Rings of Aragon Strider.

916
00:44:50,320 --> 00:44:51,920
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay, yeah.

917
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:54,599
Speaker 1: He played He also voiced Hazel and watershiped down the

918
00:44:54,599 --> 00:44:59,079
Old Scary Rabbit cartoon. Yes, and of course he reprised

919
00:44:59,159 --> 00:45:04,079
this role later on Spaceballs. Oh no, not again.

920
00:45:04,599 --> 00:45:08,199
Speaker 2: Hello my honey, Hello, my baby. Hey, he got this

921
00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:09,800
job over the weekend.

922
00:45:10,119 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 3: Okay.

923
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: So the original guy that they hired I believe his

924
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:16,760
name is John Finch. Okay, so they had hired a

925
00:45:16,800 --> 00:45:20,039
guy to play his part. That guy got sick, started

926
00:45:20,079 --> 00:45:24,960
having cramps. Just no, but he had gotten sick and so.

927
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:25,320
Speaker 1: He had to be.

928
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,400
Speaker 2: So they called him on a Friday and said we

929
00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:34,599
need you on set Monday morning. Okay, note that because

930
00:45:34,599 --> 00:45:38,559
that takes place in Aliens as well. Okay, So John

931
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:42,320
Hurt comes aboard and is hired over the weekend.

932
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,960
Speaker 1: Okay. Then they have Sir Ian Holme playing part of

933
00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:56,039
Ash probably interesting who was in the other Lord of

934
00:45:56,079 --> 00:45:58,800
the Rings as spread up. He had also he was

935
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:02,559
a Shakespeare guy. He had also been in the British Army.

936
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,000
He was a lance corporal there. But Alien was his

937
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:08,199
first major film role. But I mean, we've seen him

938
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,079
in a ton of stuff, right. Yeah. He goes on

939
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:14,280
to do Brazil, and he was Polonius in Hamlet, and

940
00:46:14,280 --> 00:46:17,199
then of course he is Bilbo Baggins in the Lord

941
00:46:17,199 --> 00:46:20,679
of the Rings trilogy and a little bit in The Hobbit.

942
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,679
Speaker 2: He also reprises his role as Ash in the video

943
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:25,960
game Alien Isolation.

944
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,519
Speaker 1: Yeah. I noticed that almost all of these actors come

945
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:31,039
back in for the video game. Next in line, we

946
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:34,360
have a yff at Koto. This is a commercial ship,

947
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,559
not a domestion ship. Right, it's not in my contract

948
00:46:37,559 --> 00:46:41,960
to do this kind of duty. Who's Llames Parker? But really, yeah,

949
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:44,400
he took his dad's name. He just died last March.

950
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:47,320
Just kind of tragic. But do you know what movie

951
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:54,119
he was the bad guy in? Liv Die?

952
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:56,559
Speaker 3: He was the bad guy and Live and Let Die.

953
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was a pretty awesome part. And he's done.

954
00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:02,280
He's done quite a bit of other stuff. Was in

955
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,280
Hawaii five. Oh, and he was considered for the part

956
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:07,719
of John Luke Icard when they did Star trek New

957
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:12,239
Really Next Generation, Yeah, I lost out to Sir Patrick Stewart. Interesting,

958
00:47:12,400 --> 00:47:15,559
all right, and then we've got one of my favorite guys.

959
00:47:15,679 --> 00:47:18,239
Like there's a quote I think it was I think

960
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,599
it was by Roger Eberth that says, if Harry Dean

961
00:47:20,679 --> 00:47:22,679
Stanton has a part in a movie, it's probably a

962
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,320
good movie. And it's pretty solid. Harry Dean Stanton played

963
00:47:26,320 --> 00:47:31,440
the part of Brett back to the Old Friezeros. He

964
00:47:31,599 --> 00:47:35,159
also served in the Navy in real life, and he

965
00:47:35,199 --> 00:47:38,239
was in World War Two. Actually was a cook during

966
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:41,079
the Battle of Okinawa. He was in Cool Hand Luke.

967
00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:44,400
He was in Godfather Part two, and as far as

968
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:46,639
those nickod Knight shows goes, he was in Have Gun,

969
00:47:46,639 --> 00:47:51,199
We'll Travel. He was Jack Nicholson's best man in nineteen

970
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,280
sixty two. Wow, how about that?

971
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 2: For that?

972
00:47:53,599 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 1: It is cool deep cuts.

973
00:47:55,199 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: So here's what he said when he met Ridley Scott

974
00:47:57,519 --> 00:47:59,400
for the first time. Okay, so they asked him to

975
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,239
come read for this part. Movie is called Alien or

976
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:04,840
star Beast. I'm not sure what it was called at

977
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:06,679
the time. Right, this is what he said when he

978
00:48:06,960 --> 00:48:09,039
walks in. Not hey, how are you not good to

979
00:48:09,079 --> 00:48:11,639
meet you? He says, I don't like science fiction or

980
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:12,519
monster movies.

981
00:48:12,679 --> 00:48:13,119
Speaker 1: Uh huh.

982
00:48:13,159 --> 00:48:15,000
Speaker 3: He's like, well, that's okay because you're kind of playing

983
00:48:15,000 --> 00:48:15,440
a trucker.

984
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:21,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is the space Trucker movie. And then who

985
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,719
is cast and the part of Ellen Ripley but Veronica

986
00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:32,000
Cartwright that's right, right, yeah.

987
00:48:30,159 --> 00:48:35,679
Speaker 2: Oh it's money right towards you.

988
00:48:35,800 --> 00:48:38,800
Speaker 1: That Yeah, it was a total shock. So Veronica Cartwright

989
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:42,679
was not originally cast as Lambert. She was cast as Ripley.

990
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:46,199
And it was literally right before they started making this

991
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:48,760
movie that suddenly she got her parts changed.

992
00:48:49,320 --> 00:48:51,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't even know until she showed up for

993
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:52,719
like the first day.

994
00:48:52,920 --> 00:48:56,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, Ridley Scott switched the roles. But she ended up

995
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:59,679
getting the Best Supporting Actress Award Saturn Award on this movie,

996
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:02,079
so that it's not a bad switch. She had been

997
00:49:02,119 --> 00:49:04,440
on Leave It to Beaver when she was a little girl. Wow,

998
00:49:04,639 --> 00:49:08,920
she was in the Birds, which is pretty impressive Alfred Hitchcock, right,

999
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,039
And she had started to become famous again in her

1000
00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:15,599
adult years, as in an Invasion of the Body Snitchers,

1001
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,960
which she did right before this movie. Interesting, So the

1002
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:23,320
person that ultimately gets cast as Ripley is this young

1003
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:24,760
actress named Sigourney Weaver.

1004
00:49:25,159 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 2: Listen to me, if we break quarantine, we get old

1005
00:49:27,519 --> 00:49:30,519
USh y'all be the damn hatch. We have to get

1006
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:32,119
him inside. I belave you.

1007
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: The answer is negative. Yes, her name is Susan.

1008
00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 3: Her real name is Susan.

1009
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:40,719
Speaker 1: Yes, my son, my sixteen year old is When we

1010
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:43,639
were talking about that movie, he was like, her name

1011
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,400
is Sigourney. Really, like, some parents saw a little cute

1012
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:50,159
little baby and they went, oh, let's name it Sigourney.

1013
00:49:51,639 --> 00:49:52,400
Speaker 3: He's got a point.

1014
00:49:52,639 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 1: No, that's not what happened. They named her Susan. But

1015
00:49:55,599 --> 00:49:58,639
she decided, you know what, I don't like the name Susan.

1016
00:49:58,679 --> 00:50:02,039
I like the name Sigourney. It up from Great Gatsby.

1017
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:03,639
Speaker 3: I think the Great Gatsby. That's right.

1018
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, here's the interesting thing about that. Yeah, not only

1019
00:50:06,599 --> 00:50:09,440
does she beat out Veronica Cartwright for that part, she

1020
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:10,519
beat out Meryl Street.

1021
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: Oh wow.

1022
00:50:11,599 --> 00:50:14,559
Speaker 2: And Meryl Streep and Sigourney Weaver went to college together.

1023
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:16,519
They both went to Yale. They were both in the

1024
00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:20,639
old drama department. Yeah, and they both like Sigourney Weaver

1025
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:24,000
was the She was always kind of the other girl, right.

1026
00:50:24,079 --> 00:50:26,400
Meryl Streep was like the prom queen and you know,

1027
00:50:26,559 --> 00:50:29,679
the main person, and so she was always kind of,

1028
00:50:29,960 --> 00:50:33,000
you know, second. But she beat Meryl Streep out for

1029
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:33,400
this part.

1030
00:50:33,639 --> 00:50:37,639
Speaker 1: Nice. So Sigourney Weaver hit five foot ten and a

1031
00:50:37,639 --> 00:50:41,679
half inches when she was eleven years old. She could

1032
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,320
have played the alien. Yeah. Her dad is Pat Weaver,

1033
00:50:45,519 --> 00:50:48,480
who was president of NBC from nineteen fifty three. To

1034
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:52,679
nineteen fifty five and created the Today Show. Her uncle

1035
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:54,199
Doodles Weaver.

1036
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 3: Doodles Weaver was.

1037
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: A comedian and a contributor to Mad magazine.

1038
00:50:58,519 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 3: Wow Yeah versus Yeah.

1039
00:51:02,519 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: She had had a small part in Annie Hall before

1040
00:51:05,480 --> 00:51:09,400
she got cast in the movie Alien, but I'm so

1041
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:12,760
glad that she ended up getting switched out with Veronica carbon.

1042
00:51:12,599 --> 00:51:14,360
Speaker 2: All Right, we got one other person we got to

1043
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,760
talk about. Okay, not Jonesy, not the cat Jonesy. We're

1044
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,920
talking about the guy who played the alien.

1045
00:51:21,039 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 3: Dallas.

1046
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:26,679
Speaker 2: Yes, Bellagie, but day Yo, it's easy for you to say, well,

1047
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,159
here's the deal. Yeah, I don't know very much about him.

1048
00:51:30,440 --> 00:51:33,039
I know he's from another country. He's from Nigeria, and

1049
00:51:33,079 --> 00:51:35,119
he's seven foot one in the costume.

1050
00:51:35,719 --> 00:51:37,599
Speaker 1: In the costume, he was seven foot one. His real

1051
00:51:37,639 --> 00:51:41,159
height was six', ten which is STILL i, mean once

1052
00:51:41,159 --> 00:51:44,280
you get past like six, six who cares? Anymore?

1053
00:51:44,320 --> 00:51:47,800
Speaker 2: Right not sure why he wasn't playing professional, basketball but,

1054
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:52,880
yeah so he beat Out Peter. Mayhew oh, wow who

1055
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:53,840
you know better As.

1056
00:51:54,159 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 3: Chewbacca?

1057
00:51:55,440 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, yeah he was discovered in a, Bar like

1058
00:51:59,440 --> 00:52:02,239
they found him just somebody was in a bar and they're,

1059
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:05,800
like holy, cow look at that. Guy he is six

1060
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,360
foot ten inches tall and probably weighs one hundred and fifty.

1061
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,719
Pounds he was so. THIN i think that's probably Why

1062
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,920
mayhew didn't get the, part is he was a little

1063
00:52:14,039 --> 00:52:16,960
beef of your. Guy but they needed somebody who it

1064
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:21,960
looked absurd how long and slender the appendages, were and

1065
00:52:22,159 --> 00:52:24,400
this was their. Guy he didn't do anything else after.

1066
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:26,679
This he was a graphic. Designer he was like studying graphic,

1067
00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,119
design ended up becoming a graphic. Designer tragically died at

1068
00:52:30,159 --> 00:52:32,039
thirty six years old from sickle cell An.

1069
00:52:32,039 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: India oh that's.

1070
00:52:33,079 --> 00:52:35,519
Speaker 1: Terrible, yeah, okay so we're ready to talk about casting

1071
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:35,920
for the Movie.

1072
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:39,199
Speaker 2: Aliens let's talk casting On, aliens all.

1073
00:52:39,280 --> 00:52:50,199
Speaker 1: Right the first thing That i've got to say IS

1074
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,840
i WATCHED i Watched aliens again this, morning AND i

1075
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:57,400
looked at the opening, credits and it is a travesty

1076
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:02,320
That Jeanette goldstein is not in the opening credits with

1077
00:53:02,400 --> 00:53:04,840
all of the other. Actors WHAT i, know, like she

1078
00:53:05,079 --> 00:53:07,840
is one of the most compelling characters in the. Movie

1079
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:11,119
she's in the movie longer than almost everybody else except

1080
00:53:11,119 --> 00:53:14,119
for our main like four. Folks she her name doesn't

1081
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,159
even show up at the beginning it's. Tragedy. WOW i

1082
00:53:17,360 --> 00:53:21,239
loved she. Was she was eye magnet for. Me like

1083
00:53:21,360 --> 00:53:23,840
every time she was on, SCREEN i was. Engaged and,

1084
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:27,119
yes she's, pretty but she just she had a toughness

1085
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,119
and a coolness about. Her and she played the part.

1086
00:53:30,119 --> 00:53:32,360
Speaker 2: Fantastic So Jeanette, goldssee you might as well talk about.

1087
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:36,039
Her she plays the part Of. Besquez, yes, Yo, besquez

1088
00:53:36,119 --> 00:53:40,320
kick ass. Right have you ever been mistaken for a? Man?

1089
00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:41,199
Speaker 1: No have you?

1090
00:53:42,519 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 3: Right she plays super. Tough you only need to know

1091
00:53:45,159 --> 00:53:48,000
one thing where they.

1092
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:48,639
Speaker 1: Are.

1093
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:52,599
Speaker 2: Yeah but WHEN i Watched Jeanette goldstein in her, interviews

1094
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:56,840
she's very, soft very, SWEET i mean soft, spoken.

1095
00:53:56,599 --> 00:54:01,599
Speaker 1: Nice even Clean american. Accent, yes she doesn't have a

1096
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,360
hint Of hispanic accent in.

1097
00:54:04,400 --> 00:54:07,599
Speaker 2: Her they tanned her, up they gave her brown contact,

1098
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,320
lenses they cut her hair, short, yep and gave.

1099
00:54:10,199 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 3: Her a bandana and told her to Act. Hispanic you,

1100
00:54:12,320 --> 00:54:14,199
know she nailed it and to act freaking.

1101
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,239
Speaker 1: Tough, yeah and SHE'S i mean the guns that those

1102
00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:20,039
guys were carrying around they weighed like fifty. POUNDS i

1103
00:54:20,079 --> 00:54:22,559
mean they picked her in part because she was pretty

1104
00:54:22,559 --> 00:54:24,679
buff at the. Time that she actually she was. Buff

1105
00:54:25,119 --> 00:54:27,480
there's this rumor going around that she auditioned for the

1106
00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:31,159
part because she thought the Movie aliens was about illegal,

1107
00:54:31,199 --> 00:54:33,760
aliens and that's how that line got in, there, right,

1108
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:35,159
right somebody said an.

1109
00:54:35,159 --> 00:54:37,760
Speaker 2: Alien she thought they said illegal aliens signed.

1110
00:54:37,840 --> 00:54:39,840
Speaker 1: Up BUT i think that's a. Mess.

1111
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:42,679
Speaker 2: Yeah she is the person who's, like, no that's not.

1112
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:43,440
Speaker 3: True that was in the.

1113
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 1: Script.

1114
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:46,639
Speaker 2: Yeah she did, say, however that she came to the

1115
00:54:46,679 --> 00:54:50,239
audition not fully, prepared and so she had lipstick and

1116
00:54:50,320 --> 00:54:53,559
makeup and she looked pretty and dressed up, heels and

1117
00:54:53,559 --> 00:54:58,360
everybody else had on fatigues and everything. Else, Right she's, like, whoops.

1118
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:00,800
Speaker 3: So, Aliens.

1119
00:55:01,079 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 2: Yes Jim cameron's, like this is the story Of, Ripley,

1120
00:55:04,679 --> 00:55:07,400
Right we've got to Have Sigourney weaver come, back going

1121
00:55:07,400 --> 00:55:12,079
out there to destroy, them, right not to, study not

1122
00:55:12,119 --> 00:55:14,599
to bring, back but to wipe them.

1123
00:55:14,639 --> 00:55:18,639
Speaker 1: Out that's the. Plan you have my word on, it.

1124
00:55:20,079 --> 00:55:24,320
Speaker 2: All, Right i'm, in, yes, Okay And Sigourney weaver, says you,

1125
00:55:24,360 --> 00:55:26,320
KNOW i don't really like to do. Sequels but when

1126
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:28,800
she read, it she's, like this is. Fantastic, Yeah i'm.

1127
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:29,519
Speaker 3: Game i'm.

1128
00:55:29,519 --> 00:55:32,639
Speaker 1: In, yeah it's. Interesting like she went to him and

1129
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:36,840
talked to him about his, script and she didn't have

1130
00:55:36,880 --> 00:55:39,960
a problem with the stories, storyline but she was, LIKE

1131
00:55:40,119 --> 00:55:43,679
i feel Like Ellen ripley would not say or do

1132
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:46,960
some of these. Things And James cameron went with, it

1133
00:55:47,079 --> 00:55:50,079
like he was, like you know the character better THAN i, do,

1134
00:55:50,159 --> 00:55:52,800
probably so, Yeah i'm willing to make those. Changes so

1135
00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:56,039
he changed his script to fit with what she perceived

1136
00:55:56,079 --> 00:55:57,119
as the character Of Ellen.

1137
00:55:57,199 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 2: Ripley he said that she was like unbending on certain

1138
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,880
words that she would say in certain. Sentences but on

1139
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:07,079
the other, hand she's, like you really nailed The ripley.

1140
00:56:07,159 --> 00:56:08,559
Character so he's, like.

1141
00:56:09,199 --> 00:56:09,760
Speaker 3: Fantastic.

1142
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:12,960
Speaker 2: Yes so she wanted a million bucks to Do aliens

1143
00:56:13,480 --> 00:56:18,000
And fox Said, nope not doing. It, Okay So James cameron's,

1144
00:56:18,039 --> 00:56:18,519
like come.

1145
00:56:18,360 --> 00:56:19,599
Speaker 3: On, guys this is the story Of.

1146
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:24,280
Speaker 2: Ripley we have to Have Sigourney. Weaver so he devises this.

1147
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:27,639
Plan so they come to him and they're, like, no

1148
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,199
you got to figure out a way around. This so

1149
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:35,400
he calls his new buddy's, Agent Arnold. Schwarzenegger he calls

1150
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,119
his agent and he's, like, LISTEN i don't Think fox

1151
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:40,000
is going to go for This Scorny weaver. Thing she's

1152
00:56:40,039 --> 00:56:41,800
asking for you a million, bucks and So i'm just

1153
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,400
gonna have to totally write her out of the. Story,

1154
00:56:44,519 --> 00:56:47,320
well her agent was at that, firm and they were,

1155
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:49,599
like he's, like wait a, minute wait a, minute let

1156
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,679
me let me make some. Calls he's, like, no, no, no, no

1157
00:56:51,679 --> 00:56:54,159
it's already been it's already been. Decided i'm just going

1158
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:56,920
to ride her out and do something else because they won't,

1159
00:56:56,960 --> 00:57:00,599
ben they won't pay. Up And Arnold swarzenegger's, boss, listen,

1160
00:57:00,639 --> 00:57:03,239
man let me let me make some. Calls so by

1161
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:05,199
this time on Our Schwitz nager and his agent had

1162
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,519
a lot of. Clocks, yeah and so they were, like,

1163
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:12,400
listen they Call. Fox fox Calls sigourney, says we've rethought

1164
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:15,679
that you're worth. It she Calls jim and says thank.

1165
00:57:15,760 --> 00:57:15,920
Speaker 1: You.

1166
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:19,079
Speaker 2: Wow so he he pressed.

1167
00:57:18,760 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: Them and got, it got, her wrestled a little, bit

1168
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:24,760
a little bit of a. HUSTLE i like. IT i like.

1169
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,239
Speaker 3: It they Hired Bill, paxton.

1170
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,679
Speaker 1: Maybe have been keeping up on current.

1171
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:30,679
Speaker 3: Events, well he just got arrasses kick.

1172
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,159
Speaker 2: Pal he had Done Weird. Science he was a friend

1173
00:57:34,199 --> 00:57:37,239
Of James cameron and they wanted him to do the

1174
00:57:37,239 --> 00:57:37,480
part Of.

1175
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:41,239
Speaker 1: Hudson he thought he tanked the audition. Too he thought

1176
00:57:41,320 --> 00:57:43,320
he was, LIKE i was too over the. TOP i

1177
00:57:43,360 --> 00:57:44,320
just KNEW i had messed it.

1178
00:57:44,400 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: Up he.

1179
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:46,760
Speaker 2: Said they gave him a mailing tube and said this

1180
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:47,280
is your pulse.

1181
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,079
Speaker 3: Rifle go, yeah, yeah a few, Men oh you want?

1182
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: Some you.

1183
00:57:51,519 --> 00:57:53,760
Speaker 2: Know he did that whole thing and then he. Left

1184
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:54,400
he's like that that.

1185
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:57,199
Speaker 1: Sucked, yeah and then he got a.

1186
00:57:57,239 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 3: Call then he got a.

1187
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:02,159
Speaker 2: Call they also Hired Paul, riser who is a, Comedian,

1188
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,159
yeah to play the. Villain maybe we could build a,

1189
00:58:05,239 --> 00:58:06,320
fire sing a couple of.

1190
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,199
Speaker 1: Songs. Huh. Yeah he's if you want a villain that

1191
00:58:10,199 --> 00:58:13,719
you're surprised as the, villain he's great because he's got

1192
00:58:13,960 --> 00:58:17,639
he's got a sweet. Demeanor he's got a sweet face

1193
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:21,400
that you, know he's he's never picks up a, gun, Right,

1194
00:58:21,559 --> 00:58:25,519
yeah he's just this, easy go lucky kind of everything's

1195
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:27,519
going to be, Okay we're going to be all. Right

1196
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:31,159
he's that, guy except he's a, snake.

1197
00:58:31,480 --> 00:58:34,360
Speaker 2: Right he, said when he watched this on the, screen

1198
00:58:34,480 --> 00:58:36,400
his mother was with. Him, yeah and at the end

1199
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:36,800
of it she.

1200
00:58:36,800 --> 00:58:37,400
Speaker 3: Smacked him in the.

1201
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:41,079
Speaker 1: Head, ah that's.

1202
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:45,440
Speaker 2: Hysterical they also Hired James, reemar who you may know

1203
00:58:45,519 --> 00:58:47,239
from the movie forty Eight, Hours.

1204
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,480
Speaker 1: Yeah Which Walter hill was the director of forty Eight,

1205
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:50,760
hours one of Those brandywine.

1206
00:58:50,760 --> 00:58:53,639
Speaker 2: Guys, Right, yes, yes he plays the part Of.

1207
00:58:53,719 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 1: Hicks no he, doesn't well he.

1208
00:58:55,519 --> 00:58:56,159
Speaker 3: Does for one.

1209
00:58:56,280 --> 00:59:00,039
Speaker 2: Second he's actually on screen very very. Briefly, okay you

1210
00:59:00,079 --> 00:59:02,760
can actually see. Him they ended up having to fire.

1211
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,800
Him rumor was that there was creative, differences but basically

1212
00:59:06,840 --> 00:59:09,920
he had an alcoholic drug. Problem oh so they let him. Go,

1213
00:59:10,079 --> 00:59:12,400
Okay but there is one scene in the movie where they're, like,

1214
00:59:12,400 --> 00:59:13,639
hey That's James rumer right.

1215
00:59:13,519 --> 00:59:14,920
Speaker 3: There but his it's his.

1216
00:59:15,039 --> 00:59:20,440
Speaker 1: Back. Okay so the guy that actually Played. Hicks this

1217
00:59:20,519 --> 00:59:22,559
is the story that we've referred to earlier where it's,

1218
00:59:22,639 --> 00:59:24,159
like hey you got your?

1219
00:59:24,199 --> 00:59:29,360
Speaker 3: Passport, Yeah Michael bean allowed to keep this handy for close.

1220
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:30,039
Speaker 1: Encounters.

1221
00:59:30,199 --> 00:59:33,719
Speaker 2: Yeah he had starred In The terminator As reese, yep

1222
00:59:34,199 --> 00:59:36,760
and he had a working relationship With Jim. Cameron they

1223
00:59:36,800 --> 00:59:40,159
needed somebody right this. Second they called him. Up Gillen

1224
00:59:40,199 --> 00:59:41,400
heard called him and said do you have your?

1225
00:59:41,400 --> 00:59:42,239
Speaker 3: Passport and he's like.

1226
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:44,519
Speaker 2: Yeah she's like, great be In London monday.

1227
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:45,719
Speaker 3: Morning you got a park right?

1228
00:59:46,039 --> 00:59:49,840
Speaker 1: Now all these other actors had been training military style

1229
00:59:49,960 --> 00:59:53,840
together for weeks and they had trained with this other,

1230
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,559
guy and Then bean shows up and he's, LIKE i

1231
00:59:56,559 --> 00:59:57,079
didn't have to do.

1232
00:59:57,079 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 3: ANYTHING i Guess i'll just. Act.

1233
00:59:59,719 --> 01:00:02,960
Speaker 2: Yeah here's the here's the interesting one THAT i Think

1234
01:00:03,079 --> 01:00:04,519
Al matthews.

1235
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 3: All, right, sweethearts you heard the, man and you know

1236
01:00:06,880 --> 01:00:10,480
the drill assholes and elbowsts and come, here come.

1237
01:00:10,599 --> 01:00:13,199
Speaker 1: Here, yeah, yeah, yeah he plays Al.

1238
01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 3: Apohem, yes he was in The.

1239
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:17,199
Speaker 1: Marines he was in The, marines and he was a

1240
01:00:17,360 --> 01:00:19,119
sergeant in The. Marines he was one of the first

1241
01:00:19,440 --> 01:00:22,400
black men, promoted maybe the first to some position of.

1242
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:25,000
CORPORAL i can't remember what it. Was but here's the

1243
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,400
interesting thing that was going. On they were Filming Full

1244
01:00:28,400 --> 01:00:31,239
Metal jacket at the same time that they were filming this,

1245
01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:34,679
movie and they were like close, together, Right and In

1246
01:00:34,760 --> 01:00:38,960
Full Metal, jacket you've got Our Lee emery's first, performance

1247
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:42,320
and he also was a military, guy playing a military.

1248
01:00:42,360 --> 01:00:46,119
Sergeant and in both movies they say asses and, elbows

1249
01:00:47,519 --> 01:00:48,159
asholes and.

1250
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 3: Elbows, yes.

1251
01:00:49,480 --> 01:00:54,159
Speaker 1: Sorry and so those, guys like the guys From Full

1252
01:00:54,199 --> 01:00:56,880
Metal jacket and the guys From aliens would get together

1253
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,639
and party after shooting in the evening they would hang out.

1254
01:00:59,639 --> 01:01:01,639
Together it's. Fantastic this is.

1255
01:01:01,719 --> 01:01:05,239
Speaker 2: Hilarious SO i had a friend who was telling me

1256
01:01:05,320 --> 01:01:11,239
That Al matthews is now a gospel, singer right, yeah

1257
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,400
AND i was rolling through some of his greatest. Hits,

1258
01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:16,199
right every day in The marines is like a, parade,

1259
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,199
right look into my.

1260
01:01:18,320 --> 01:01:19,840
Speaker 3: Eye but his best hit is.

1261
01:01:20,119 --> 01:01:25,960
Speaker 1: Assholes i'm just, kidding all. Right So William hope is

1262
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:30,840
the guy who Played Lieutenant gorman The. Pandejo. Right, yes

1263
01:01:31,960 --> 01:01:34,920
he had actually gotten cast in full metal jacket but

1264
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:38,519
turned it down to go be an. Alias. Okay and

1265
01:01:38,559 --> 01:01:42,719
then we also Have Lance, hendrickson who played the part Of.

1266
01:01:42,920 --> 01:01:46,480
BISHOP i may be, synthetic But i'm not. Stupid Lance

1267
01:01:46,519 --> 01:01:48,280
hendrickson had been In pirana.

1268
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:49,280
Speaker 3: Two he played the.

1269
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:54,119
Speaker 2: Sergeant or the sheriff In pirana. Two oh, Yeah James.

1270
01:01:54,119 --> 01:01:56,159
Speaker 3: Cameron in order to make him look like a.

1271
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,480
Speaker 2: Sheriff, yes they found a save The whales button that

1272
01:02:00,559 --> 01:02:01,480
became a sheriff's.

1273
01:02:01,480 --> 01:02:05,559
Speaker 1: Badge oh my, god total the b. Movie so he

1274
01:02:05,639 --> 01:02:08,519
had actually said he had made a little promise to.

1275
01:02:08,599 --> 01:02:12,320
Himself he, says if this movie doesn't make me, Famous

1276
01:02:12,360 --> 01:02:14,480
i'm going to quit. Acting, yeah like at This i'm.

1277
01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:18,440
Done i've had ENOUGH b movie. Roles i'm done with

1278
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:22,480
acting unless this is a big. Success and well it's

1279
01:02:22,519 --> 01:02:23,000
his biggest.

1280
01:02:23,039 --> 01:02:25,800
Speaker 2: Success he was In Stone cold With Brian.

1281
01:02:25,840 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: Bosworth oh, Happy. Okay and then we have for the

1282
01:02:32,519 --> 01:02:36,800
part Of little newt Little Egyptian goddess of The. Sun

1283
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:37,480
her name Is.

1284
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:41,519
Speaker 2: Rebecca nobody calls Me, rebecca he, said my.

1285
01:02:41,559 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: Brother her name Is.

1286
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:44,119
Speaker 1: Carrie.

1287
01:02:44,199 --> 01:02:47,000
Speaker 4: Hun we better keep dack because it will be dark.

1288
01:02:47,079 --> 01:02:49,920
Speaker 1: Soon and they mostly come at night. Mostly.

1289
01:02:50,239 --> 01:02:53,239
Speaker 2: Yeah and she had no acting. Experience they need to

1290
01:02:53,239 --> 01:02:57,239
find somebody who could Do. American her dad was stationed over.

1291
01:02:57,280 --> 01:02:58,400
There he was in The Air. Force.

1292
01:02:58,480 --> 01:02:59,519
Speaker 3: Yep her mother Was. English.

1293
01:02:59,639 --> 01:03:02,159
Speaker 2: Yep every kid who came in and read had done like.

1294
01:03:02,159 --> 01:03:02,800
Speaker 3: Commercials.

1295
01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 2: Yeah and So Gaila hurd said that they would deliver

1296
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:06,840
a line and then smile and.

1297
01:03:06,880 --> 01:03:07,199
Speaker 1: Smile.

1298
01:03:07,519 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, No kelly, cereal it's.

1299
01:03:10,719 --> 01:03:17,880
Speaker 1: Great it's frosted plates. Man. Yeah, so but she hadn't

1300
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,880
had any acting, experience but ends up going over there to,

1301
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,679
audition and she doesn't know that she's supposed to smile

1302
01:03:23,760 --> 01:03:25,880
at the, end and so she. Doesn't, yep and that

1303
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,719
gets her the. Part. Yep her Little british accent comes

1304
01:03:28,760 --> 01:03:30,480
through every once in a while during the.

1305
01:03:30,519 --> 01:03:32,480
Speaker 3: Movie she has a distinct.

1306
01:03:32,519 --> 01:03:34,880
Speaker 2: Accent, yep you can hear. It and my wife AND

1307
01:03:34,920 --> 01:03:36,800
i say this to each other all the. Time it's

1308
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:39,639
one of her most quotable. Lines it's, uh they only

1309
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:40,079
come out.

1310
01:03:40,000 --> 01:03:42,039
Speaker 3: At night mostly mostly.

1311
01:03:42,199 --> 01:03:46,119
Speaker 2: Mostly so anytime we say, mostly it turns into.

1312
01:03:46,159 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 1: That. Yeah so That Carrie hen was that, actress but

1313
01:03:49,840 --> 01:03:51,719
she didn't do anything. Else she went on to become

1314
01:03:51,719 --> 01:03:52,239
like An english.

1315
01:03:52,639 --> 01:03:55,480
Speaker 2: Teacher she's a fourth grade. Teacher she teaches kids who

1316
01:03:55,519 --> 01:03:59,039
are newts. Age there you, go, Yep Rebecca.

1317
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 1: Jordan, okay there's one guy who we haven't, mentioned BUT

1318
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,320
i just GOTTA i gotta throw it out. There, Okay,

1319
01:04:04,440 --> 01:04:08,400
Okay so in the beginning when she's When ripley is

1320
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,079
in the boardroom trying to tell everybody what's, happened and

1321
01:04:11,119 --> 01:04:14,960
they're accusing her of wasting you, know forty two pajillion

1322
01:04:15,000 --> 01:04:18,679
dollars or. Whatever, right the boardroom, guy like the main

1323
01:04:18,760 --> 01:04:24,039
executive guy Is Paul. Maxwell, okay do you Remember Last.

1324
01:04:24,039 --> 01:04:28,519
Crusade he's on the ship and he Gets Harrison ford

1325
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:31,960
gets punched in the face and they're fighting over this. Cross, Yeah,

1326
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:34,840
yeah the guy in the white hat who's like The,

1327
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:36,440
king bad, guy same.

1328
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:40,440
Speaker 3: Guy it belongs in a. Museum so do you Don?

1329
01:04:40,719 --> 01:04:41,400
Jones that?

1330
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:43,599
Speaker 1: Guy that? Guy, wow that is.

1331
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:45,440
Speaker 2: Awesome, yeah that's a good one right.

1332
01:04:45,480 --> 01:04:48,800
Speaker 1: There thank. You, Okay so next week we will get

1333
01:04:48,880 --> 01:04:52,519
back into production and talking about the storylines and the

1334
01:04:52,599 --> 01:04:56,719
deep meaning behind these two movies and their complete, awesomeness

1335
01:04:57,000 --> 01:05:00,679
and then we'll talk post, production and then we will

1336
01:05:00,679 --> 01:05:03,039
move on To terminator Versus terminator to come.

1337
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 2: Back next week we'll finish up and give our final.

1338
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:07,119
Speaker 3: Judgment what's?

1339
01:05:07,159 --> 01:05:08,239
Speaker 4: It Man Game?

1340
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:09,519
Speaker 2: Over Man Game?

1341
01:05:09,599 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 4: Over