Speaker 1: Hey girl, I can tell by the look in your
eyes that you're in a land of confusion right now
and you're thinking about throwing it all away. But I'm
here to tell you don't give up. As a matter
of fact, as long as you don't lose my number,
then you and I can still have a big time
at least for one more night. We don't have to
go to some expensive restaurant, you know what I mean,
no jacket required, no fancy dress. Just take me home
and tonight, tonight, tonight, we can listen to the red
ring falling outside, flashing against our windows like a sledgehammer
as we cherish the invisible touch of our earbuds when
we hit play together. And after listening to Jason and
d on the Surely you Can't Be Serious podcast, then
you know it's only a matter of time before I'm
into deep Sue. What your name's not, Sue, Sue Soudy?
Oh well that doesn't matter, just as long as you
know that my name is deaf Dave.
Speaker 2: Okay, d Before we get started on today's episode, I've
got a couple of trivia questions. I think this is pertinent,
I think it's interesting. Okay, So Can you name the
last number one hit of the nineteen seventies? No, okay,
it's Rupert Holmes, the Escape, the Pina Colada song?
Speaker 3: All right? Right, right? Yeah, which at some point we
got to get together Bradmore and do that one. We've
covered a song that was written by Rupert Holmes. Song
by Rupert Holmes. It's on our Patreon page. Go to
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five bucks a month.
Speaker 2: Okay, so, the last number one hit of the seventies
Rubert Holmes.
Speaker 3: Do you like Pina Coladas? Yep? Got all right?
Speaker 2: The first number one hit of the nineteen eighties. Do
you have any idea what that is?
Speaker 3: Not the same song? All right?
Speaker 2: I consider myself a musical expert in the eighties. I
don't know this song. It's called Please Don't Go by
the Case Sunshine band.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I know the band, but I don't know, right,
I don't know that song? All right?
Speaker 2: Can you name the last number one hit of the
nineteen eighties? No, Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins. Oh, okay,
can you name the first number one hit of the
nineteen nineties, No Another Day in Paradise by Phil Collins.
Speaker 3: All right, so it's still number one.
Speaker 2: He bridged the gap from the eighties to the nineties. Ochay, Yes,
so we're obviously going to be talking about Phil Collins today, which.
Speaker 3: I'm excited to do. Yep.
Speaker 2: Can you name the artist who had the most number
one hits in the nineteen eighties?
Speaker 3: Was it Phil Collins?
Speaker 2: Actually is Michael Jackson, who had ten. He had five
off of Bad, which is the crux of my bad
versus thriller argument.
Speaker 3: Right, But Phil Collins had seven number one hits. He
had more US Top forty singles than any other artist
throughout the eighties, including Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: There is a case to be made that Phil Collins,
with Genesis and by himself, Yes, was the most consistent
hit maker of the nineteen eighties.
Speaker 3: Yes, and I mean we're talking about a mega rock
star at the time of mega rock stars, MTV Full Blast,
Top forty Radio full Blast. And have you seen this guy?
I know, I love him. I mean he's he's short,
he's balding, he's chubby, he can't dance, he can't sing,
he can sing.
Speaker 2: Come on, he's just.
Speaker 3: An ordinary man.
Speaker 2: He does talk like Dick Van Dyke and Mary Poppins
a little bit, so I do. I told you, I said.
He feels like the everyman representing the crowd, like the fans,
you know. Peter Gabriel is like this guy on this
different plane and he's making music and we just like, oh,
he's a rock star. Feels like the mechanic who just
happened to get this amazing gig and knows how to
make incredible rock.
Speaker 3: Let's just be clear, I got I got a list here.
Let's be clear about how big this is. Okay. He
is one of only three recording artists who have sold
over one hundred million records, both as solo artists and
separately as principal members of a band. Can you name
the other two?
Speaker 2: George Michael No, Michael Jackson, Yes.
Speaker 3: The girl is mine, Mine, mine, all McCartney, you got it.
Paul McCartney is the other one. He has won eight
Grammy Awards, six brit Awards, two Golden Globes, one Academy
Award and a Disney Legend Award, which probably meant a
lot more back when he got it than it does now.
He has won an Ivor Novella Award. He's won the
British Academy of Songwriters, Composers and Authors Award. He has
a star on the Hollywood Walk of Fame. He's in
the Songwriters Hall of Fame and Rock and Roll Hall
of Fame as a member of Genesis. In twenty ten.
Speaker 2: Not too shabby. He also managed to make Amy Man
jealous because of the Gorilla Love song that he.
Speaker 3: Did cartoon Gorilla cartoon, Monkey Love song.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 4: That's it.
Speaker 2: I broke down the nineteen eighties. I just went year
by year between Genesis.
Speaker 3: And Phil Collins. Yes, okay, yeah, quick trivia.
Speaker 2: Question for you. Can you name the only year of
the nineteen eighties that he did not have a top
fifteen hit, either with Phil Collins or Genesis.
Speaker 3: Yes, I know this. It is nineteen eighty one, which
is crazy because that's the year that In the Air
Tonight came out, which is his most iconic song.
Speaker 2: That was the only song that didn't reach the top fifteen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, which is nuts, which is nuts, Like, how did
that not happen? I think it was just a little
bit ahead of its time obviously, Yes, And I think
maybe Miami Vice gave it the rocket fuel it needed
to get there. Yeah. And by the way, guys, we
are here talking about no jacket required. This is a
Genesis trinity, if you will. That's right, it is a
Genesis trinity because we are talking about Peter Gabriel So,
which we did last week with our great friend Chad
Briggs at episode, and then next week we're going to
be talking about Genesis and Invisible Touch. All of these
albums came out within roughly a year of each other,
That's right. It's crazy how much you were hearing Phil
Collins's voice on the radio this time. And when we
did our episode on SO, I started off by saying, hey,
as you know, these guys were both the former or
current lead singers of Genesis, but Peter Gabriel had Phil
come and do drums for several of his songs on
what we call the Melt album. They're all called Peter
Gabriel until So happens. But I told that story back
then go back and listen to that. But then on
this album we got Peter Gabriel joining the band for
a song. You know, it's crazy how these guys they
I mean, they're just friends. They're decent guys who happen
to also be mega prolific rock stars.
Speaker 2: That's right, So today we're talking about No Jacket Required.
This album was released February eighteenth of nineteen eighty five.
It sells twenty five million copies, twelve million in the
United States alone, is the second biggest selling album of
nineteen eighty five. Can you name the first.
Speaker 3: Eighty five No, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's Brothers in Arms by Dire Straits.
Speaker 4: Oh.
Speaker 3: Perfect, perfect, Oh and that reminds me. Okay. So we also,
just a few weeks ago, finished with our Heart Versus
Brothers and Arms episodes, we had one of our loyal listeners,
mister Lee Matthews, reach out to us by email. He
is from across the pond over in the UK. Yeah,
and he sent us an email going, hey, you know,
Jason Jay, I know you are a Miami Vice fan
and d you'll appreciate this too, And he sent us
a clip from Miami Vice that used Brothers in Arms
the song the last song, how we missed that album?
A great job on catching our miss on that one.
And holy cow, what an impactful moment in the Miami
Vice canon. That was I mean, gee Mane, it was.
It was rough, But I told I told Lee at
the time. When you hear that Peter Gabriel So episode,
if you take a shot every time Jason says the
word so or mentions Miami Vice, you'll be unconscious before
the episode is over.
Speaker 2: You're welcome, everybody. So the title for this album is
No Jacket Required. Yes, I've got a funny story on
how that came to be.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's hanging.
Speaker 2: Out with Robert Plant.
Speaker 3: Robert Plant the lead singer of Led Zeppelin and the
Honey Drippers and the Honeydripper. You're into the eighties, Robert Plant, Well,
we talked about that. That's right. But he's hanging out.
Speaker 2: There at the pump Room in Chicago.
Speaker 3: Yes, he said.
Speaker 2: Robert Plant is wearing a garish jacket.
Speaker 3: Garish. Garish is a very British word.
Speaker 2: It is. I just listened to his audio books. You
might have some strange words creeping in this episode.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's flamboyant. Maybe it is a good word for
what I am imagining Robert Plant is wearing as his jacket.
Garish is the word he is.
Speaker 2: And as he's trying to enter the hotel, this is
the Ambassador or West I believe in Chicago. He goes
to hang out and have a few drinks at the
hotel bar with Robert Plant and their buddies, and the
matre d comes up and says, excuse me, sir, you're
not wearing a jacket. And he's wearing a leather jacket
and say it was a couple thousand bucks. I mean
it was not shabby. He's like, I am wearing a jacket,
and they're like, no, a proper jacket. And he turns
to Rubber Plant and he looks at this weirdrish scarish
jacket he's got on Rubber Plants like see you. And
so Phil said that they would not let him in
number one. And that's as mad as he has ever
been in his life.
Speaker 3: Wow, super mad.
Speaker 2: So when he's doing the rounds with David Letterman and
Johnny Carson, of course he's retelling the story they wouldn't
let me in. I'm not wearing a jacket, it's too stuffy.
They wouldn't let me in. And so finally the Ambassador
hotel sent him a jacket and said, please stop repeating
this story.
Speaker 3: You can come in. You can come in anytime.
Speaker 2: You want just please stop telling this story.
Speaker 3: Right right, Well, and there's another there was another incident
that happened just before that incident, which is probably why
it made him so mad. But he was. He was
on vacation down in the Caribbean with his family and
tries to go into the hotel bar there and they say, sir,
you'll have to have a jacket. And he's like, well,
I don't have a jacket. And I'm like, well why not?
And he said, well, because I'm on holiday and it's
the Caribbean, Like, why would anybody have a jacket. They
didn't let him in there. I think maybe they gave
him a ridiculous oversized I mean, because he's not a
big guy jacket that he wore there.
Speaker 2: And so no jacket required to enjoy this album yep, okay.
Speaker 3: Okay album cover. You know why he looks the way
that he does, why he has that red face on there?
Tell me because he wanted to look hot and bothered.
That Those were his words, I want to look hot
and bothered. I don't know that I would ever say that,
especially not for my album cover. I want to look
hot and bothered.
Speaker 2: I did hear him talk about how he wanted to
make a dance album or at least something with some
up tempo tracks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, as we'll talk about a little bit later on
as the episode goes on. His two previous albums had
all kinds of stuff to do with heartbreak, and so
this one he was looking for something a little on
the cheer read more dancy.
Speaker 2: Side, he called those divorce albums, Yeah, and he wanted
to kind of.
Speaker 3: Get away from the divorce albums. Right.
Speaker 2: So this is actually produced by Hugh Pagem.
Speaker 3: Yep, and who I mentioned again in our last episode
when we were talking about Peter Gabriel. So Hugh Pagem
was actually working on the Melt album on Intruder whenever
he and Phil inadvertently discovered the magic of the gated drum,
which if you don't know that term, you will know
the sound because it is the sound of the drums
in the air tonight and about ten or twelve dozen
different albums of the nineteen eighties, because it became the
sound of the eighties, that gated drum beat, which, by
the way, they recorded this album at the Townhouse, which
everybody went to that place to record so they could
get that identical drum sound that Phil Collins and Hugh
Pagem had put together in Face Value very good.
Speaker 2: You know, I was doing some research on the Pump
Room in Chicago. Yeah, it actually closed down in twenty seventeen, sadly,
but I came across a sentence where it said the
Pump Room has hosted many celebrities from across the world,
including Morre's the Cat. You remember More's the Cat.
Speaker 3: Where's the Cat from the Nine Lives?
Speaker 2: Cat food cat food commercials?
Speaker 3: Yes, More's the Cat. Wow.
Speaker 2: By the way. One of the artists who recorded in
Monts Rat Yes, which we talked about in our Brothers
and Arms Yes, was Eric Clapton, Yes, and producer Phil
Collins right.
Speaker 3: Yeah. He had just worked with Eric Clapton producing his
album just before he did this one. And then in
between this one and Eric Clapton, he worked with Philip Bailey,
who we talked about a little bit on our Best
Our Top five of nineteen eighty five because Philip Bailey
had a big hit, probably because Phil Collins was singing
on the song. Yeah, easy Lever, easy Lover.
Speaker 2: What a great song man? What is fantastic song?
Speaker 3: It definitely is. It should be in the conversation through
great songs of that year.
Speaker 2: No Question, by the way, that reached number two in
nineteen eighty five.
Speaker 3: Easy Lever did Easy Lever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe kept out by I Want to Know
What Love Is by Foreigner.
Speaker 3: Which is pretty big song. Yeah. We talked about that
one a few times.
Speaker 2: But still that could have been four number ones in
the same year. Yeah, Phil Collins, eighty five was big.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, before we get.
Speaker 2: Started on the track listing, I got a funny story
for you. As Phil's traveling around doing the interview circuit
for no jacket required, some reporters noted that he resembles
Bob Hoskins.
Speaker 3: Yes, or Danny DeVito agree, right, well, I mean height
wise anyway, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know, of course they're all slightly balding. They're
they're kind of stocky either, short, you know whatever. And
so Phil made the comment that we could play the
Three Bears, right they actually like. De Vito contacted him
about maybe doing a live action Three Bears with Kim Basinger.
Speaker 3: As Goldilocks Wow.
Speaker 2: And Bob Hoskins and Danny Vito and Phil Collins as
the Three Bears.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. All right, okay, you
ready to jump into this album track number one Sue
Sue Studio. Okay, so let me just start by saying,
what a great eighties sounding drum beat we have coming
out of the gate here, right, That's fantastic. But if
I can pull back on the range just for a
second before we dive into how good this song is,
because it is great. Yes, that's a drum machine. Like
I'm listening to a drum machine. Of course I didn't know.
I mean, I knew Phil Collins was a drummer, yes,
and I knew that he's a good drummer. But until
we started researching Genesis, my familiarity with Genesis was the
eighties Genesis where they were all pop and none of
the prog rock that they did back in the seventies. Right,
And so we'll talk about when we do our Genesis episode,
we'll talk about him getting involved with you and assists
in how all of that happened. But on the ind
between with Genesis, he played for a band called brand X.
Has he heard of this?
Speaker 2: I've heard of the band brand X.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I just as I was, I caught little
bits of the Phil Collins a drummer first documentary and
kind of ended up in the middle. I think you're
probably watching it on YouTube at the same time, so
we overlapped there. But it was it was Michael Jackson's drummer,
and he's talking about how he picked up the Brand
X album and was blown away by how good the
drumming was, and so he had to go look and
see who this drummer was, and he's like some guy
named Phil Collins. Because it's nineteen seventy six and unless
you were a big Genesis fan, you probably didn't know
who Phil Collins was, right, I mean, I've heard Phil's
eighties drumming. This blew my mind. So I came away
from that going holy crap, like they say he's a
drummer first, Oh heck, yeah he was. I mean that's
I'm amazed, Like he's doing a double bass tap well
before Lars Ulric has even probably got his own drum kit.
Yeah right, And of course I immediately called James Buckley
and I was like, James, you're on call drumming expert
and sometimes co host. I need to know. He's like,
oh yeah, like in the mid seventies, Phil Collins and
Bill Bruford were the top of the prog rock, jazzing
drum pyramid.
Speaker 2: Phil was the genesis drummer, happy to be the drummer,
happy to be kind of the background vocalist. But when
you're replacing Peter Gabriel, they need to find a singer.
He doesn't really want the job. He says, how about
we just do instrumentals and they're like, we're not doing instrumentals,
talking about we got to find a singer. Well, they
would interview singers, they'd find guys and he's like, no,
you need to do it more like this, and he
would sing it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because he did all the backup for Peter Gabriel,
and so he was like, this is the way you
do it. And he would show them and they couldn't
get it, and they're like, Phil, you're singing better than
everybody else. And he was like, okay, well let me
give it a shot.
Speaker 2: Let me give it a shot. Let me give it
a shot. And then what do we get.
Speaker 3: The album that came out. I mean, the people thought
the band was dead when Peter Gabriel left. He leaves
and their very first album is a better seller than
any album that they'd had that's right, that's right.
Speaker 2: When they discovered their drummer could also be the singer,
he said, was like finding a five dollars bill in
the couch.
Speaker 3: It's probably a little better, right, It's great.
Speaker 2: So Sis Studio was the first single released in the UK.
Second single released in the US. This is released in
April of nineteen eighty five. In the US, it hits
number one for the July weekend nineteen eighty five. This
nineteen eighty five top ten is killer.
Speaker 3: Just to take you back, this is July of nineteen
eighty five. You just saw Back to the Future for
the first that's it, or the second time, the third time,
and you just got in your car and you turned
on the radio and you're listening to Phil Collins song
nine times out of ten.
Speaker 2: That's it. That's it. So let me give you Actually,
I'm gonna start at number twelve. You've got Goonies Are
Good Enough by Cydey Lappero, which we just talked about.
Go back and listen to that number eleven Glory Days
by Bruce Springsteen. Yeah, check out our Born in the
USA podcast. You have number ten Angel by Madonna. Okay,
you have voices carry at number nine by Till Tuesday.
Speaker 3: Yep, don't forget to sign up for our Patreon. Number
eight Every Time You Go Away by Paul Young. Yep.
Speaker 2: Number seven You Give Good Love Whitney Houston's first number
one hit. Number six Would I Lie To You? By
the Eurythmics. Check out our one crazy summer episode we
just did exactly. Number five The Search Is Over by Survivor,
which we're getting ready to cover against Chicago here in
a few weeks.
Speaker 3: Right right.
Speaker 2: Number four Heaven by Brian Adams.
Speaker 3: Yep, go check that's eight our most popular YouTube episode.
It's the one without our faces on it.
Speaker 2: Right, let's say something right crazy Number three Raspberry Beret
by Prince There You Go. Number two of You to
a Kill by Duran Duran and number one is the
studio that is a murderer's row of hits that we've
talked about.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can tell you that in this past week,
my son said to me, as we're driving the car,
if you could go back to any time in your life,
when you go back to I was like, nineteen eighty
five was pretty dang good. It's pretty good.
Speaker 2: In July of eighty five, this hits number one Yeah,
he does receive some criticism because it sounds too similar
to another song.
Speaker 3: I can hear that. Yeah, yeah, I can hear that.
It's not a copy, but it doesn't. It definitely does have.
Speaker 2: It's dancy, it's up tempo, it's synth heavy.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And you know, we've talked about this a million times,
Like you know, bon Jovi and Richie Sambora sat on
a box of cassette tapes and went through them one
by one to try to figure out what songs they
could steal to make their own songs. This is as
it whenever Olivia Rodrigo, who is a current artist right now,
when of her songs came out that sounded very similar
to an Elvis Costello song, and people were like, you
need to sue her, and he was like, no, this
is the language of rock and roll, Like I probably
borrowed that that sound from somebody else who borrowed it
else from that else. That's it's ridiculous. This is the
way we build music. So yeah, the fact that it's
got a similar sound to nineteen ninety nine is not
a deal killer for me at all on this one.
Speaker 2: What does sisudio mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I I myself. Actually, as I was listening
to this, probably a couple of years ago. At this point,
I was like, what is that? Like? What is that?
So I had to I went and looked it up, right,
and this goes back to what I was. What I
came in with is we're listening to a drum machine. Here,
we've got we've got the world one of the world's
top drummers, and he's using a drum machine. But the
way that he came up with several of these songs,
including the Sudio, was that he would do the drum
beat and they would just listen to it over and
over again and try to improvise lyrics and melodies over
the drum beat. And for this particular song, the scatting
that he did studio, there is no one named Sisudio.
It's just that was the scatting do pop she be
bop bop that came out of his skimpy Sudio. That's it.
That's what came out of his mouth. And when he good,
when he went back to try to replace it with
some other name, nothing worked worked, and well there you go. Yeah.
Speaker 2: By the way, one of his daughters now has a
horse named studio.
Speaker 3: Very nice. Okay, Well, since you opened that door, I'm
gonna go ahead. I'm gonna go ahead and bring this
little nugget to you. Okay. So you know I asked
you before the show. I was like, do you know
who Mary Steam Virgin is married to? And you said
Ted Danson? Do you know who she was married to
before that? No, she was married to Malcolm McDowell. Oh yeah,
Clockwork Maklae star Trek. He was mister Rourke on the
reboot of Fantasy Island. He was, Yes, he's he's been.
He's a very well known British actor, right. And they
had a child whose name is Charlie McDowell. By the way,
if you look at his picture, he looks like an
exact cross between Mary Steam Virgin and Malcolm McDowell.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 3: And he is married to Lily Collins. Yeah, Phil's daughter,
who is also a actress herself, has been in several
like that.
Speaker 2: She was in a series She's the Girl now.
Speaker 3: Okay, So she was in the blind Side as the daughter,
and she's been in several other series. Is Lily Collins
on the blind Side? Yep? And so I'm just thinking
to myself in Phil's family tree. You've got Mary Stein Virgin,
You've You've You've got Malcolm McDowell, You've got yes, Malcolm McDowell,
You've got Ted Danson, and you've and you've got uh.
I mean, he's got sons that are also major recording artists.
I sent you a song today from Simon Collins, who
had a band called Sound of Contact. Has a very
similar sounding voice to his dad. Nick Collins is the
one who kind of helped produce the documentary that just
came out. He is a very prolific drummer and played
drums for Genesis when Phil lost his ability to do so.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: I mean it's he has got an impressive lineup of family.
And his brother is like a knighted cartoonist, like one
of the most famous political and satirist cartoonists from the
UK just passed away a couple of years ago. And
it's funny because if you look at him, he's got
the same base, but he's like normal height, and so
they stand together and it looks it looks like twins.
You sent to me like it was like a one frame.
Speaker 2: It was like something you would see in like Cosmo
or even Playboy, right and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, this is funny.
Speaker 2: D wait, what do you does?
Speaker 3: Exactly right? But it's funny. You're like, oh, Clive Collins,
I see that right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, I want to talk about the video for
a second because I've told you. I think I've already
said it. But Phil Collins has that very everyman type
of quality about So they shot this video at a
very ordinary man yes, yes, so they shot this video
at the Princess Victoria, which is a pub in London
owned by Richard.
Speaker 3: Okay, Virgin Records, which produced this album of course, yep.
Speaker 2: And it's like him and his band and he's up
there in front of like four people, and you can
tell he just finishes a song and there's like a
smattering of like barely clapping, and then he's like, all right,
thank you, thank you again, thank you. You know the
old He says, well, we got one more song for you.
This song is called the Studio and they're like, ay, whatever,
and then when he starts playing, it draws a crowd
and everybody's clapping. And this song is infectious, it's pop gold,
it's fun.
Speaker 3: And the horns you get the phoenix horns from Earth
Wind and Fire I love it.
Speaker 2: It's fantastic.
Speaker 3: It is a great album opener. Just shows what you
can do with a drum machine and a little improv.
It's incredible, really okay. And before we move on to
the next song, one more tidbit on his family. Yes,
Nick Collins, that plays the drum that played the drums
form when he couldn't play for Genesis. Yes, a year
and a half ago started a band called The Effect.
Guitarist for The Effect is Trev Lucather, son of Lucather
of Toto.
Speaker 2: That's great, okay. Second song on the album, This song
is called only You Know and I Know another killer upbeat.
You got the horns, you got the keys, you got
the guitar, You've got the Phoenix horns, which is from
Earth Wind and Fire. Ok So it's real strong horns
that you get in those kind of soulful records, dancy poppy.
It's good fun.
Speaker 3: This song is. I really like how it picks up
at the chorus, Like the the verse is good. The
chorus is great, like he brings it in the chorus,
and I really like how it songs.
Speaker 2: He's got a knack for making infectious grooves. Stuff we
like to listen to whether you got irritated with Collins
in the eighties. It's because his songs were so successful.
They're on the radio all the time. Now, there is
a line in this song that he got from real life,
and I thought this was funny. So he met a
girl at the Rainbow Club in La She became a
second wife. Her name is Jill Tavelman. But when she
introduced him to her mother, he says, Hi, how you doing, ma'am,
I'm Phil Collins. She turned to her daughter and said, well, honey,
as they say, love is blind, I did not.
Speaker 3: I'd not heard that story. But as soon as you
went there, I was like, oh, no, I know what
she's gonna say. Yeah, ouch, thank you.
Speaker 2: Okay, I've got to tell you this story in regards
to the song against All Odds Okay, which I believe
may be the best song of nineteen eighty four. I
absolutely love it. It's a beautiful power ballad. So for
the Academy Awards, they contact Phil and they say, hey,
against All Odds is gonna be is nominated for an
Academy Award, and he was over the moon. Phil is
a big movie buffa. He's a like a historian. He
loves the Academy Awards, so he reroutes his whole tour
so he can go and perform against all odds at
the Academy Awards. Yeah, And they're like, oh, well you're
not going to perform it and he's like, what do
you mean? I'm the singer, right, this is my song,
I wrote it, I sing it, and for all history,
that's how it works. And they're like, no, not this year,
and he says, well why not? Like what's the reasoning?
They said, Well, this is a movie event. We only
want movie people involved with the Academy Awards. Does that
make any sense to you at all?
Speaker 3: No? Okay, then why would you have an Academy Award
for a song?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: Right, exactly. So, along with his rejection from performing this song, yeah,
Denise Williams performs Let's Hear It for the Boy and
Ray Parker Junior performs Ghostbusters, so that doesn't hold any water. No,
So leading up to the Awards he is pissed, like
he's He's like, yeah, what's the deal. You guys are
taking myself? Who is performing my song?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: And they're like, well, we have a dancer who's gonna
lip sync it what so some strongly worded letters are
sent back and forth.
Speaker 3: Anyway, he goes to the awards ceremony and as it starts,
all eyes are on him, right, and this poor dancer
gets up there and does just a terrible it's like
maybe the most embarrassing performance of all time. What the
actual heck? I know right, like she did something really
good for somebody involved at the Academy to get this spot.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's oh my god, it's so insane. Anyway, the
song loses to I Just Called to Say I Love
You by Stevie Wonder. I hate that song.
Speaker 3: I hate that song.
Speaker 2: And Phil came out pretty strong against that song. He said,
Stevie Wonder is one of my heroes, but I have
serious doubts that that song was actually written specifically for a.
Speaker 3: Movie, right.
Speaker 2: Uh so they just kind of bad feelings all around
for him. The good news In two thousand, he eventually
wins his Academy Award for You'll Be in My Heart.
He even got to sing it right the bad News.
That night, he beat the song Blame Canada, which is
Trey Parker Matt Stone, and they went scorched earth on
over that song.
Speaker 3: I'lso beat out an Amy Man song. But you'll have
to go check out our Patreon page to hear that story. Mike,
you love song all right. Next song on the album
is a song called Long Long Way to Go. Okay,
wait to bring it back down. It's pretty moody, yeah,
I mean we just we finished with two toe tapping
dance hits and then we moved into a very dirge like,
politically motivated song.
Speaker 2: This song is actually considered to be one of his
most famous, well known songs that was not released as
a single.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: This is also my first Miami Vice crossover. Okay, yes,
and this song it sounds heavy, yeah, And so they
used it for a heavy moment in Miami Vice when
Tubbs's girlfriend and son were killed and he was at
their funeral.
Speaker 3: So was used in Miami Vice.
Speaker 2: And Phil Collins has you know, got a heavy connection
to Miami Vice. A lot of his songs were used.
We talked about Peter Gabriel songs in his use in
Miami Vice. So here's a list of the songs of
Phil Collins that were used in Miami Vice. Okay, so
you've got a song called I Don't Care Anymore? You've
got take Me Home, which we're going to talk about
here in a second. Yep, you've got long, long way
to go, you've got against all odds, you've got a
song called Life as a Rat Race, which was a
rewrite of a demo for this album that was originally
called The Man with the Horn. Oh okay, And then
of course you've got in the Air Tonight, which maybe
the most iconic moment of Miami Vice history.
Speaker 3: Right, okay.
Speaker 2: He played Phil the Shill, Fill the Shill in I
think season two of Miami Vice.
Speaker 3: Right, He's like a con man. And and just so
that our listening audience knows, Phil is not a musician
that became an actor. He's an actor that became a musician.
Tell me so. When he was I mean when he
was very young, he like he got his first drums,
Like he got a plastic drum at three, and by
four and five he got some real drums, and they were,
you know, doing a makeshift drum set for him. But
and I sent you a cartoon that his brother had
drawn of him pounding on the drum as a little kid. Right,
But he was really he was an actor from a
very early age. He played the part of the Artful
Dodger in the musical Oliver at West End, like that
the Broadway of London is where he was performing, like
so big bragging rights for his family that Hey, my kids,
my kid is playing the artful Dodger. And he was
actually friends with Jack Wilde, who is the actor that
played the artful Dodger in the movie Oliver that came
out in the sixties.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, okay, I do anything for you anything, Yes,
it's And so when he became a teenager, older teenager,
he decided, I don't want to be an actor anymore.
Speaker 3: Like they had given him all kinds of training to
be an actor because he has shown such promise as
a little kid. You know, you're a very young man.
And he's like, nope, I want to go try to
be a musician instead.
Speaker 2: He was in A Hard Day's Night that was cut out.
Oh and then he got to go to Pinewood Studios.
He got a part as an extra in Chitty Chitty
Bang Bang. Okay, the Ian Fleming Kids book. Right cut
out of that one as well.
Speaker 3: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: And he's like, I guess they didn't like my face, right,
you know, right, So but yeah, young Phil was an actor. Yeah,
and when he got this script from Miamivice. You know,
Miami Vice had a reputation of bringing in musical people
and doing cameos.
Speaker 3: He's like, oh, yeah, it'll be fun. He gets the script,
he's reading and he's like, I'm on every page. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he contacts the director. He's like, I haven't acted
in like twenty five years, and he's like, ah, to
be fun.
Speaker 3: You'll be doing You'll be fine. Yeah. And he has
a major character on Miami Vice. I mean he goes
on and is the star of his own movie.
Speaker 2: We'll get to that here in fink now before we
move on. I think this is a good chance to
tell you do you know who sings backup on this song?
Speaker 3: Uh? This one has Sting? That's right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Sting and Phil Collins didn't know each other until they
met when they recorded the do you Know It's Christmas
song band Aid, which was like a couple of months
before this was recorded. Uh huh, and they became fast friends.
So when Live Aid came calling and so Steing contacted
him and says, hey, are you doing this this Live
Aid Bob Geldoff thing, and feels like, yeah, I think
I'm gonna And Sting's like, well, let's do it together.
So Phil and Sting decide they're going to team up
and perform at Live Aid together as like a team.
Oh okay, right, And so, of course Steing had just
broken up with the Police. He hasn't really established.
Speaker 3: His band just yet, you know.
Speaker 2: So Hey, here's my buddy, Phil, Phil, you want to
come on stage. Let's do a couple of songs. We'll
do a couple of years, couple of mine, and we'll
team up and we'll do it, which I think is
really cool, fantastic.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 2: So they do in the air tonight, they do Long,
Long Way to Go this song. Okay, they do against
all odds, and then they do every Breath you take together.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's awesome, which I think is really cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that's great. Now.
Speaker 2: Then Geldoff says, hey, why don't you perform in Philadelphia
as well? Okay, So leading up to this, he asked Phil,
hey you do it in London. If you hop on
a concord, you could make it to Philadelphia in time
just barely to perform both contents.
Speaker 3: Oh wow. And so Phil's like, well, I mean I don't.
I don't want to be the only one who does this.
He's like, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: Duran Durant's going to do it too.
Speaker 3: He's like, okay, well's yeah, that sounds like fun.
Speaker 2: I'll do it, well Duran. Duran bails out and so
but Phil had already committed.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So he does these four songs with sting. He
hops on the concord. Okay, now get this.
Speaker 2: There's a TV crew following him around recording this whole deal,
of course, and he bumps into Share, who is on
the plane, and she sees all these cameras and stuff,
and so she goes to the bathroom. She comes back,
she's like, Phil, what's going on. He's like, you don't
know this live aid and she's like, no, I don't
know anything about it.
Speaker 3: He's like, wow, I've just performed at Wembley. I'm going
to Philadelphia. And she's like, can you get me on?
And he's like, I'm not a talient agent, but your Share,
I mean, come with me and we'll do this. Right.
Speaker 2: So Share is like, I'll join you and we'll do
this in Philadelphia. Okay, let me back up a second.
His buddy Robert Plant like leading up to this event,
says are you doing this deal live aid? And it
feels like, yeah, I'm doing it. And Robert Plant's like,
maybe you can get me on, and feels like you're
Robert Plant, you can get yourself on. So anyway, Phil
contacts Bob Geldoff and says, Robert Plant wants to do something.
So and this is months before and Robert Plant says,
maybe I'll call Jimmy as in Jimmy Page, which, of
course led Zeppelin had not gotten back together since John
Bonham's death. Okay, so Phil is already doing his own thing,
and then next thing he knows he's going to drum
for Robert Plant, who's going to do a couple of songs.
Jimmy Page is going to join him. Also, all of
a sudden, John Paul Jones is involved.
Speaker 3: So it is literally all of led Zeppelin and Phil
is taking the place of John Bonham.
Speaker 2: Yes, but all of this I think Phil had his
head in the sand a little bit. He didn't realize
that he was stepping into a led Zeppelin reunion. Okay, Yeah,
so he performs at Wimbley, He hits the Concorde, bumps
into Chaer. He's going over to Philadelphia. They you know,
Robert said, hey, we're going to do a couple of
led Zeppelin songs. Phil knows all the songs, he's a
fan of led Zeppelin. Well he gets over there. Well,
the drummer from Chic has been rehearsing with these three guys,
and of course they're back together on stage for reunion.
And feels like, wait a minute, I maybe I need
to bow out, like this is not my They're like, no,
you in Roubert place.
Speaker 3: You can't bow now.
Speaker 2: This is we're getting ready to go on stage. So
it feels like, well, okay, I guess I'll join you.
So he talks to I think his name is Tony Thompson.
He's the drummer for Chic, and he's like, hey, listen,
two drummers, what where are you going to do? What
do you you know?
Speaker 3: What are you thinking?
Speaker 2: Well he's like not interested in hearing anything from Phil.
So Phil feels like I got Robert Plant involved in this,
and now I'm like the fifth wheel, right, and I'm
stepping into a led Zeppelin reunion, of which I was
not fully aware that this is what was happening.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: So Phil catches the Concord comes back. He plays on
stage with led Zeppelin as the reunion, but it is
billed as a disaster afterwards. And guess who gets the blame?
Speaker 3: Phil Phil? Of course, yeah, he.
Speaker 2: Says, if you go back and look, and I did.
He says, I'm playing air drums. He says, I'm just
trying to hide and not get in the way, and
he's just not hitting anything. And he took the he
took the blame for it. That's tragedy, and led Zeppelin
has done everything they can to scrub it from the
Live Aid history.
Speaker 3: So huh.
Speaker 2: Kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: So what did Share perform?
Speaker 2: So the rest of the story is Phil does his set.
He also plays with Eric Clapton. He also plays in
the led Zeppelin reunion. Clapton played in the Leeds Clapton No.
Clapton played on his own at Live Age, Phil played
with him. Phil joined led Zeppelin in the reunion, of
which he says he really didn't realize that was what
was happening. He was supposed to see We Are the
World at the end, but he was so embarrassed and
so humiliated and felt like a jerk, and he's like,
I know, I'm out of here, I'm going to the hotel.
So when he got back to the hotel, he turned
on and for the end and they're singing we know
the World, and all the people are there together, and
who does he see singing we are the world?
Speaker 5: Sure?
Speaker 2: Sure Share managed to get on stage, get a microphone,
had no idea this was happening. Next thing you know,
she's singing at live aid.
Speaker 3: Wow, that's crazy, that's fun, what a what a good story,
that's fantastic.
Speaker 2: I kind of went all over the place, but.
Speaker 3: Okay, I think we got to keep moving.
Speaker 2: Next song on the album is a song called I
Don't Want to Know.
Speaker 3: Okay, so this is one that you needed the album for, right, Yeah,
not a single could have been a single. So I
think it sounds like it's it had that single potential.
And if I had heard it over and over on
the radio again, I'm I'd have fallen in love with
it like I did the other song.
Speaker 2: I think he just has a knack for writing catchy, hooky,
fun up tempo stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so the lyrics of this song are really
all about she's not going to get me back. She
can try, she can cry, I'm not coming back now.
We kind of touched on this that the first two
solo albums that he did were basically a love letter
to his wife, who had divorced him, right, and he
was just doing everything now. He didn't wasn't very tactful
about it, Like if I saw you drowning, I wouldn't
lend a hands. Probably not the way to win your
wife back, but that was what it was.
Speaker 2: Neither is putting a paint can on the piano.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, So there's a there's a whole other, whole
other story there where she I mean, we want to
go there? Yeah, let's go there, and so so here
it is. So whenever Genesis hits it big with Phil
singing his wife, he's like, hey, we're making it big.
We got to go tour the US. And his wife
at the time is like, who used to be a
backup singer in his original band in high school? You know,
they met when they were eleven. They've known each other
for decades, and she's like, you know, you're putting your
the band as a priority over me, and you've done
it for years and I'm not going to deal this anymore.
And he was He was like, but I have to
go do this. You know, I have to work. We
have to make it big in the US if we're
going to make it at all. And she said, if
you go do this, I'm not going to be here
when you get back, right, And she was true to
her word.
Speaker 6: She was.
Speaker 3: She found another guy while he was off on tour
because he left anyway thinking I'll work it out.
Speaker 2: He told her, he said, just wait a couple of weeks,
I'll be home.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, they were getting their house redecorated, and.
Speaker 3: And one of the.
Speaker 2: Painters, she was very blatant, like, that's the dude, that's
who I've been with.
Speaker 3: What are you gonna do about it? Right, and kind
of in his face about it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: And so when he performed in the Air tonight, I
think on top of the Pops he had a paint
can on the piano as a nod.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. It was a tumultuous relationship, but one that
he always wanted to get back together until he finally
decided I don't care anymore. I don't care anymore. And
I think this song is in that same vein of hey,
it's over.
Speaker 2: Rumor has it? The Phil divorced his second wife by facts,
Did you hear this.
Speaker 3: No, this is Jill.
Speaker 2: This is Jill.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll talk about Jill here in just a second. Okay.
Speaker 2: Next song on the album One More Night.
Speaker 3: All right, couples move to the center of the dance floor.
Speaker 2: This is a makeout classic from nineteen eighty five. I
think this is great. I like the verses actually more
than I even like the chorus and the chorus is
a number one hit feeling song.
Speaker 3: Both hooky melodies and the verse and the chorus for sure.
This is his second number one after Against All Odds. Okay.
Speaker 2: This is released in January of eighty five. It hits
number one March and eighty five in the States. Here's
your top five all yeah, yeah, okay? Now.
Speaker 3: Number five We are the world coming up like a
on its way up, not on its way down. Gotcha? Yeah.
Speaker 2: Number four lover Girl by Tina MARIEEP talked about her
on our Top Gun soundtrack episode It's Right. Number three
Can't Fight This Feeling by Ario speed Wagon, which we.
Speaker 3: Will be covering soon when we do Ario speed Wagon
versus who are we doing them against?
Speaker 2: Rush?
Speaker 3: That's the spoiler. We just spoiled it.
Speaker 2: Number two is Material Girl, which never made it to
number one. Wow, because one more night held it off
at number one until we are the world was like, no,
we're not bowling everything out of the way. This song
was used in the movie The Color of Money. Okay Scorsese,
Tom Cruise, Paul Newman.
Speaker 3: Yeah, kind of a part to the Hustler. Yes, yeah,
This music video Tom Cruise with a perm Yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 2: This music video was shot at that same the studio
pub they call it the Princess Victoria, owned by Richard Branson,
and the song the lyrics are like, before we end
this relationship, just give me one more night to try
to work this thing out, right, great song, number one hit,
makeout classic absolutely okay, all right, hit stop on your
tape player, kick it out, flip it over for side two.
Side two starts off with a song called Don't Lose
My Number.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping against hope that you've got the story behind
this song.
Speaker 2: I have the story.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know if you're gonna be happy with it. Okay,
I mean this is a this isn't a love song,
right like, it seems like a cloaking dagger, spies and
shadows and right chasing on the street kind of stuff.
What's going on here?
Speaker 2: Billy, don't forget my number if you're not anywhere that
I can't find you.
Speaker 3: Billy is my contact that I have.
Speaker 2: Right, So people, this is like the studio people are like,
what does this song mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, right, They're just words that came out
of my mouth and I wrote them down and it
became a number four hit.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean that works.
Speaker 2: This song is released July first, basically the same day
that Sus Studio hits number one. Okay, number five you
have Oh Sheila by Ready for the World.
Speaker 3: I heard that today. Everybody thought that was Prince in disguise?
Right that Sheila is Sheila e right right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah. Number four, don't lose my number of Phil Collins, Yeah, okay.
Number three Freedom by Whim.
Speaker 3: That's one of my favorites. Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 2: Number two Cherish by Cooling the Gang.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, cool Gang re Emerging. Yes, and then number
one Money for Nothing by Dire Straits. Can't beat that. Man,
did you watch this video?
Speaker 2: Oh man, this is such a great eighties video. So
it's a music video about making music videos. Okay, So
it starts off and it feels sitting on a desk
like the every dude he is, and he's talking to
a reporter and he's like, so anyway, that's why I
call it No Jacket Required, which I thought was a
great book, right, right, And his assistant comes in. It's
like filled the director for your next music video wants
to talk to you. And he's like, oh great, send
him in whatever. And the director comes in. Phil sticks
out his hand and he walks right by and he
looks at him. He's like John Wayne. It feels like
Robert Redford, and he's like Gary Cooper and he's like
Clint Eastwood and they just keep kind of this weird exchange, right,
and you're made to feel uncomfortable because the director is
so weird. But then they both look at each other
at the same time and they go Al Craigs right,
And I was like.
Speaker 3: Who in the heck is mal Craigs?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 2: This has to be an inside joke. So Mal Craigs
was like the head of the roadies for Phil calls,
so it's some joke some guy on his crew that
he's just like making a joke. So but the video
is like, what is this video is going to be
about right. So you have a scene where Phil is
clearly mad Max right, and you have the Old West
and he's a cowboy, and then you have him parodying
like the David Lee Roth California girls.
Speaker 3: Yes, he's doing the dance.
Speaker 2: He's dancing and one of the girls is Jill, his wife,
which I thought was kind of cute. And then you
got you got the showgun. They're making fun of that.
You might think video from the cars. This one guy
is trying to convince him that, you know, you raise
your crossbow and you shoot the guy and he and
he hits himself with an arrow and there's like blood.
It feels like, oh, you know, I don't think this
is really me. So the whole video is about making
a video. It was really cute.
Speaker 3: It's really fun. Yeah, great eighty stuff. I loved it.
That's fantastic. So the video starts off, This isn't another
interesting thing that you're going to tell us about. Yes,
the video starts off and they're naming history like they're
naming some Western history movie stars, right, John Wayne and
Clint Eastwood, Robert Redford, yes, Gary Cooper, Yes. Now, among
the all the awards that Phil has gotten. He got
an honorary degree from the Berkeley College of Music in music.
He also got an honorary degree in history. Really, can
you tell us why?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 2: I do know that he has a lifelong love and
sort of fascination with the Alamo. Yeah, and he became
a collector of all these documents, relics, weapons, even of
the Alamo. And I do know in twenty fourteen he
donated his entire private collection to the Alamo, under the
condition that the public could see it. Yeah, and he
became awarded honorary Texan.
Speaker 3: That's awesome in twenty fifteen. Yes, I think that's really good.
It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: He actually does the narration for the tour.
Speaker 3: That's so crazy. I know I would have you would
have a guy, you know from England, a blue collar
England accent, giving you the tour information for the album.
Speaker 2: I saw a video where Phil is waving around a
sword that belonged to somebody important, that Santana or one
of the losers some.
Speaker 3: Of the Sorry, sorry for all of our Texas listeners.
Speaker 2: They don't you know, you don't get to keep the
sword for the winners, all right. Next song on the album, Yeah,
song called who said I would.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the first little intricate, little clip that's maybe
just ten seconds long at the beginning of it total
gives me total risky business vibes of you know, he's
racing against the clock to try to get all of
the furniture put back before the parents get home.
Speaker 2: My egg Joel.
Speaker 3: But the song itself, this is like Susu Studio Part two.
Speaker 6: To me.
Speaker 3: This is almost identical chord progression and beat, it's upbeat,
it's fun. Yeah, this is a great concert song. You know.
Speaker 2: This was not released as a single from No Jacket Required,
but they released the live version of it and it
became a top one hundred hit in nineteen ninety one
hit number seventy three.
Speaker 3: Well something.
Speaker 2: Hey, this album is packed full of songs. Right, if
they didn't get a hit the first time round, maybe
they get it the second time round.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. Yeah, they made this to be a potential
single on every single song, right yep.
Speaker 2: Okay, next song on the album. Yeah, this song is
called Doesn't Anyone Stay Together Anymore? Okay, I'm ready for
this story. I've been waiting for this one.
Speaker 3: This song is about people getting divorced at the time
that he wrote it, Phil was not actually getting divorced,
but had been divorced, and his manager was getting divorced
and had friends getting divorced. And I'll tell you this,
you know, since you mentioned that he divorced Jill by facts, right,
that original band that he put together back in grade
school was a band called The Real Thing. And one
of the backup singers for the band was Andrea Burtelly
Andy uh huh, Andy, his first who later became his
first wife, the one that had the paint can to
remind her.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 3: And the other backup singer was a friend named Lavinia
Lang huh. And while Phil was still married to Jill
and on tour he ran into Lavinia Lang again and
they hit it off in a big way. And I
think he sent the facts not too long after. Yeah, yeah,
doesn't anyone stay together anymore?
Speaker 2: Now, you got to tell the story about when he
performed this.
Speaker 3: Do you know this story? Well, so the this is nuts, right,
this is absolutely nuts. So obviously by this time in history,
he's he's already huge, right and so, and huge not
only in the US, but of course in his home
country right of Britain, right right, Well, in the eighties,
Britain had a prince. His name was Charles, Prince Charles,
and Prince Charles had his fortieth birthday and they were like,
who do you want to perform? And he said Phil Collins,
of course, and Phil performed this song right, not realizing
that just a few short weeks later, Charles and Diana
would be also not staying together anymore.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: He told a story on his audio book where he
and Diana became pretty good friends, and so he was
friendly with her even though she was royalty whatever, and
so he said, one day he went to the dentist
and had some dental work, and he came out and
a BMW pulls up and somebody rolls down the window
and they're like, Phil, Phil, it's Princess Diana yelling at
him from her car, right, and she says, what are
you doing here? You're like, I've gone from donal work,
you know, and she's like, marvelous, I just had a colonoscopy.
She said, you haven't done that.
Speaker 3: They're great.
Speaker 2: Then she drives off and he turned to his assistant.
He's like, did that just happen?
Speaker 3: Is this the drugs worn off yet?
Speaker 6: Right? Oh?
Speaker 3: My gosh, that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: I thought that was a great story I.
Speaker 3: Just had They're wonderful. They are not wonderful, by the way.
That is a lie that she was being sarcastic. Either
that or she was still coming down from whatever.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 2: I like this song. I think it's the fun I
think this could have been hit as well.
Speaker 3: You had the Princess of Wales's joke about her bungle
holes in him. That's fantastic.
Speaker 2: That's that's how comfortable people are with Phil Collins. I
told you Phil Collins, despite being the second wealthiest drummer
in the world and maybe the greatest drummer in the world,
he still seems like a guy who would get a
blotch of barbecue sauce on his shirt and not know
about it. You know, he just he just seems like
an every guy.
Speaker 3: You know he does. But yes, second only to Ringo
Star in drummer wealth in the UK and probably the
most money paid out in a divorce from his third wife,
who we haven't even gotten to yet. Yeah, yeah, something
like twenty five pounds or something.
Speaker 2: Well, yes, yeah, anyway, yeah, next song on the album.
This song's called inside Out.
Speaker 3: So Phil is definitely playing the drums and not the
drum machine on this one.
Speaker 2: Yeah he's banging away. Yeah, it's that gated drum sound.
I think, oh yeah, this is a great song. I
think this could be a hit as well.
Speaker 3: Every single one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this reached number nine on the Hot Rocks chart. Okay,
so in some sense it was a hit even though
it wasn't released as a single. This is a great
concert song. I think just this whole album is just
so much fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you think they missed the boat. I'm not releasing
this as a single.
Speaker 2: Well, everything he released turned to gold, right, I think
this could have turned to gold as well.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 2: I got a quote for you from Phil Collins on
his popularity. He said, I know I was starting to
annoy everybody on the periphery, But in my defense, I
only wrote the song one time.
Speaker 3: You know, we mentioned he's the second wealthiest drummer, next
only to Ringo Star. But he had the occasion when
he was a much younger, much poorer drummer to play
with a different beetle and to give us that story,
we're gonna bring back Chad Briggs. Chad.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 6: Phil Collins obviously was not part of the original Genesis
he did come fairly early on, but he was an operator, right,
I mean he he knew the music scene and the
music scene in London at that time, was I mean
it was, it was amazing. So there was a story.
And this reminds me of your story of Mary Clayton
from the Dirty Down Seat soundtrack. Right. He gets a
call late at night and they're saying, Phil, Phil, they're
doing recording, they need a percussionist. It's like, guys, come on,
I just got out of the bath and just watching TV.
And no, no, no, this is this is George Harrison
Abby Road. You need to get down here. Jumps into
a taxi, screaming at the taxi driver. You know, get
me to this place, get me, get me, get me.
He shows up, He walks into this room and there
there's Ringo playing drums, George Harrison on guitar, Klaus Foreman
on bass, Billy Preston on piano, Badfinger guitars, Murray's on keyboards,
and guess who's the producer, Phil Spector.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 6: Again again I'd throwback to dirty Dancing.
Speaker 3: Yep.
Speaker 6: They spend they spend hours playing. Now they put Collins
on conga. He's not a conga player, right, and so
he's not sure if they're recording him, and he just
keeps playing. Spector finally says all right, all right, Phil,
you're on and his fingers are bloody. By this point,
he's just not sure what's going on. Everyone leaves, they're
in a different room. Someone tells him, all right, Phil,
you can go, and he walks away. He's a teenager
at this point. He doesn't know what's going on. The
album comes out, he's not credited, and he knows that
they used a slightly different version of the song, but
it kind of eats away at Collins for years, right,
and then you fast forward to the nineteen eighties. Phil
Collins is a superstar on his own right now, he's
still thinking about this album. He's still thinking about how
he was not credited for anything on this George Harrison piece.
So he mentions this to one of George Harrison's friends.
Did they use me? Did they not use me? A
couple of days later, he gets a package in the
mail from George Harrison with the tape inside and a
note saying, we found the master tapes. You want to
listen to it. There's even a note saying, was this you?
And it's the conga drums and it sounds horrible, right,
it's overdone, it's sort of a little bit offbeat. And
Collins is just sitting there going, oh my god, Oh
my god, I just screwed up so badly. I screwed
up so badly. How could I you know? And he's
just thinking George Harrison, I mean, he's like the King,
and man, how did I screw up like this? The
punchline is the tape was fake. George Harrison heard about
this request. He put the band back together, re recorded
everything they'd done that night, but then turned to the
person they brought into, a percussionist, and said, do it
be like half beat ahead?
Speaker 3: Just ruin it?
Speaker 6: Okay, just ruin it. It was just the cruelest prank
that they played on Phil Collins. But I can't imagine
the effort you have to put in to say, all right,
all right, yeah, well we'll not just say that, yeah
we didn't use you. We're gonna drive it in and
try to make you think that no, you were never
part of it.
Speaker 3: In the great story, fantastic, Oh my gosh, that was awful.
Speaker 2: All right, last song on the tape, but not the
last song on the CD. This song is called take
Me Home.
Speaker 3: Okay, if I may quote Jason Colvin for the episode,
this is the best song on the album, and I'm
spiking the football. This This is sonic perfection, This is
eighties gold. The harmonies and filled to the chorus are
so fantastic, far away favorite song of the album.
Speaker 2: You were just playing that and when you hit that
big chorus, my eyes watered up. That's what happens.
Speaker 3: It's so good. You're going to start pumping your fist
and take me home, take me Home, singing along with it. Man,
it's just so good. Now, here's the crazy thing for
my entire life. I thought that this song was very
much like Home Sweet Home by Motley Crue. It's about
like I'm tired of the road. I want to get back.
It's not what it's about. Tell me blew my mind.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So this is from the perspective of someone who is
in a mental asylum, who always has that hope of
you know, somedamn, I'm gonna get out here and I'm
I'm going to go back to my home, even though
they really have no recollection of what their home was
really ever like, and it's based on kN Kesey's book
One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest, which of course came
out Best Picture in nineteen seventy five. Here I Was
Born Jack Nicholson. Very impactful movie. But geez, what a
great song. That doesn't make me think of that movie
at all.
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful song, an absolute banger. I don't know
how this didn't get to number one. It only reached
number seven.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this was the lowest, the lowest, right.
Speaker 2: It was the lowest.
Speaker 3: This was of all of the singles on this album.
This was his lowest, which I mean, how many people
would love to have had a number seven song? Of course, right,
but I just blows my mind, like why why why
would this one? Do you want to hear the six
better songs? You know that I do?
Speaker 2: Okay, So Take Me Home tops out at number seven, right, which, no,
it needs come on, this needs to be higher. Number
six is Your Love by the Outfield, which is a
banger song.
Speaker 3: Dude, huge again for the third time in this episode.
Go check out our Patreon page that you can hear
the full story on that song. Right.
Speaker 2: Number five Live to Tell, which one of Madonna's best songs.
Speaker 3: Okay, it's kind of a.
Speaker 2: Softer ballad from her. Number four is what Have You
Done for Me Lately? By Janet Jackson.
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't think it's better than this. As a
matter of fact, I don't think that the Madonna song
is either your your love. I can see being ahead
of it. Okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Number three, why can't this be loved? By Van Halen.
Speaker 3: It's a good one, okay, yeah.
Speaker 2: Number two West End Girls by the Pet Shops.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh, that was huge. A yeah.
Speaker 2: And then number one is the Greatest Love of All
by Whitney Houston. Yes, okay, I mean it was a
rocket ship.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, so there's at least there's at least a
handful of definite. You know, maybe these songs are better
on all of them, but gee, that is This is
why we talk about the eighties, guys, because back when
it's so good, you've had a top ten like that.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about the video of this song
real quick, okay, yeah, because this took time, effort, for sight, discipline.
Even parts of this video are filmed in London, Paris, Tokyo,
New York, Sydney, Breman, Memphis, La you know, Hollywood, Stockholm,
San Francisco, Kyoto, Chicago, Saint Louis, Houston. So you've got
to kind of dedicate yourself to making a video all
around the globe, right, And it's you know, here I am.
Speaker 3: He's at the Golden Gate Ridge, Take me Home. I'm
at the Sydney Opera House. Take me Home. You know,
I'm in New York. Take me Home. I think it's
so great. And then the end of the video, he
finally gets home. He's excited to be home. He opens
the door and his wife's immediately have you been at
the PUBA game? Always something funny with him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, I sent you a song this week
called Home by Bone Thugs and Harmony. Yeah, And I
listened to it and it's obviously it's rap, yeah, but
I thought it was awesome.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then Phil is bringing the take Me Home chorus
in there.
Speaker 3: So this is great because Bone Thugs and Harmony. I mean,
I wasn't listening to rap at the time. This was
round two thousand something like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I wasn't really listening to rap in the
year of two thousand, but I had to be under
a rock not to hurt hear of bone Thugs and harmony.
And so these guys did what all kinds of rap
musicians have done for many decades now, which is sample
some music. And they wanted to sample this take Me
Home song because they love it, right, because it's a
fantastic song.
Speaker 2: It's irresistible.
Speaker 3: And so they say, they say to him, hey, can
we is it okay? They asked permission. They didn't, you know,
they didn't like two live crew it. They went and
asked for permission for it, and he was like yeah, yeah, okay, Yeah,
that'll be fine. And they're like will you be in
the video? And he's like, ah, you know, I don't
really know. They go to London to meet him and
say please, please, we want you to be in the video.
We want you to and by him agreeing to do that,
then they get that full chorus. They get him singing
take Me Home, and he's in the video and he's
just he's very in the background until it's that take
me Home point, and then he's just looking at the
camera singing the song.
Speaker 2: It's great, It's so great.
Speaker 3: That is really great.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, let's go to the last song on
the CD.
Speaker 3: This song is called we said Hello goodbye, not to do.
Speaker 6: And we black.
Speaker 3: Phois. It's okay. So we have a min along kind
of classical interlude here, and then we get an echoe piano. Yes,
and it's got very much that Jackson Brown feel to
me of just him at the piano on the stage.
They got the piano's got a little bit of an
echo effect on it, a little delay, and then the
drums come in, and those drums coming in are so
ringo star okay. And then when he's playing like he's chanting,
like to me, he's channeling Ringo on this one. This
would say this is a ringo drum riff if I
could call one.
Speaker 2: All right, step back, okay, d This is the best
song on the album I Am spiking the football.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: This song went with every graduation video from my years
of growing up, so there's like eighty eight to ninety
two was like a part of every graduation video. Turn
your head, don't look back, set your sales for a
new horizon. It's a perfect graduation song.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love this song and I absolutely love take Me Home.
But this song was not released as a single until
it was on the Plane for Keeps soundtrack. Oh wow,
it didn't chart, but to me, it just this makes
me wipe tears. I absolutely love this song.
Speaker 3: Okay, so wow, that's coming strong on that one. That's impressive.
I love it.
Speaker 2: I absolutely love it.
Speaker 3: All right, people, that is no jacket required. That's the
end of it. Yeah. So we've gone through two of
the three and we've done a pretty good job of
not talking about Genesis as much as it obviously is
in this conversation of Peter Gabriel and Phil Collins. But
come back next week and we will be talking all
kinds of Genesis because we're going to be talking about
the album in Visible Touch.
Speaker 2: See you next week.
Speaker 7: I guess Holmes Holmes Rupert Holmes on our Patreon episode.
Speaker 3: That is not sung by Rupert Holmes, but it is
a good one. You should come check it out. You
can go do that by going to our Patreon page. Yes, yes,
I'm totally interrupted the let's let's that interrupts a flow?
Speaker 6: Start over?
Speaker 3: Fine, it's fine, you sure?
Speaker 4: Sure?
Speaker 3: Well now now the flow isn't ready