Speaker 1: Oh thats are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy and my name is Jonathan and today Jacob
Speaker 2: is running a little bit late, but that's okay. We're
Speaker 2: gonna hold down the house over here. A lot of
Speaker 2: our favorite people are in the house. What up, Jamie,
Speaker 2: Honey Badger, Electronic, Nick Uh the Spirit Animal of course,
Speaker 2: what up, Jake and everybody else. Nice to see all
Speaker 2: of y'all. Alexandra, you know, I mean, I'm sorry that
Speaker 2: we're late. I was trying to hold out for Jacob.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's got something going on. I'm sure he'll
Speaker 2: be joining here really soon. But that's all right. We're
Speaker 2: gonna get the show rolling. Harg What up? Royce Mario said,
Speaker 2: Good evening, y'all. It's good to be back in Texas.
Speaker 2: Hope y'all are well. It is nice to be in Texas, dude,
Speaker 2: It's it's good over here. I I actually do really
Speaker 2: enjoy being living in Texas, and I've thought about it
Speaker 2: going back and forth. Am I gonna be moving back
Speaker 2: to Louisiana? Am I gonna be staying here? You know
Speaker 2: that whole thing. I'm gonna be honest. I'm actually kind
Speaker 2: of leaning towards staying here because it's just let's go.
Speaker 3: It's just better.
Speaker 2: That's just that's the thing. And you know you ain't
Speaker 2: got full on swamp assen fucking Louisiana. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of humidity and it's hotter than hell over here.
Speaker 2: But it's a nice change up. You know where I
Speaker 2: was living in Louisiana where Jacob lives. You know, it's
Speaker 2: I just live there too long. I know pretty much
Speaker 2: everybody over there, and uh, there's nothing new over here, dude.
Speaker 2: There's so many damn people that live in Houston and
Speaker 2: Katie and everything.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: You never know what you're gonna run into every day.
Speaker 2: But I will say, I am pretty fucking tired of
Speaker 2: going to a Walmart and everybody asking me for a handout.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna throw that out there. Nick. Do you
Speaker 2: do you experience that on a on a daily basis
Speaker 2: or is that a Katie Houston thing?
Speaker 5: Katie Houston thing. Yeah, conversation is uh, it's like pretty chill.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and I'm not even saying that I'll stay
Speaker 2: in Katie because there's some things that may be transpiring.
Speaker 2: I don't want to get I don't want to jump
Speaker 2: the gun. I'm just gonna say that I'm not limited
Speaker 2: to staying here. I am limited to staying in Katie
Speaker 2: right now, just because my my lease isn't up until
Speaker 2: like early on two or something like that. But yeah,
Speaker 2: once my lease is up, dude, I'm sticking to the plan.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go get an r V and I'm gonna
Speaker 2: just live that RV life. And I'm gonna get one
Speaker 2: of those oh what do they call the the Elon
Speaker 2: Musk satellites. Darlink, Yes, starlink and uh and I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna fucking do the whole Tom Green thing. Dude, just
Speaker 2: just travel everywhere, you know.
Speaker 6: Me, Me and my wife lived in my RV for
Speaker 6: like two or three years, so before if you're whenever
Speaker 6: you're shopping and or whenever you decide if you're looking
Speaker 6: for any kind of pointers or anything, we literally full
Speaker 6: time RV for I mean a few years.
Speaker 2: So did y'all have a what kind? Did y'all have
Speaker 2: a type C or C class? What it's called?
Speaker 5: Uh? So I had a forty five foot fifth wheel.
Speaker 2: That's a big old bitch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I pulled it behind my truck, so it was
Speaker 6: like the fifth wheel toy hauler, like the big Raptor
Speaker 6: Keyston Raptor, and uh yeah it was a big bitch,
Speaker 6: but it was the pool behind.
Speaker 2: So yeah, well and that's probably yeah, I'm looking at
Speaker 2: getting the driving one for sure, because first off, I
Speaker 2: don't have a truck. I just have a charger, and
Speaker 2: I'm not hooking, you know, a twenty four. I'm really
Speaker 2: just looking at the twenty four footer. You know, it's
Speaker 2: not it's not too big, it's not too small. It's
Speaker 2: got the overhead like above the cabin, and it's perfect
Speaker 2: for what I need, you know. So I actually went
Speaker 2: and looked at one of them like a month or
Speaker 2: a month and a half ago, and I went over
Speaker 2: to this place called Camping World or camper World or
Speaker 2: something like that, and dude, those brand new ones are
Speaker 2: so sick. And the way I was looking at it
Speaker 2: is it's like, all right, well, either way, whenever this
Speaker 2: lease is up, I'm either gonna you know, put a
Speaker 2: put you know something down for a house. I've never
Speaker 2: owned a house before, or I can just get one
Speaker 2: of these you know RVs. It's gonna be the same thing.
Speaker 2: And actually the V is way cheaper than a house.
Speaker 5: Obviously no property taxes either.
Speaker 2: Hey, no property tax I ain't got a mailbox, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: We were talking about getting a smaller one again like
Speaker 6: now that like the place that we've got is like
Speaker 6: pretty decent on rent here, and then we're we're like, man,
Speaker 6: we want to get a driving RV ones and kind
Speaker 6: of do the same thing.
Speaker 5: And it just it's.
Speaker 6: So cool just to be able to just go where
Speaker 6: the fuck you want and like, you know, it's a vibe.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, they're so badass. And yeah, it was a
Speaker 2: it was a while ago whenever I was still trying
Speaker 2: to make the decision, and I had, uh, I had
Speaker 2: chat Gypt draw me uh an image of just me
Speaker 2: in my r V and then or not in the
Speaker 2: r V but like sitting like have it out parked
Speaker 2: by a leg or something like that and with me
Speaker 2: and my and my two kids just staring at the
Speaker 2: leg and the sunset's going down. I got that image
Speaker 2: and I was like, I'm sold, Like I that's that's
Speaker 2: the only vision I needed. So dude, Chatty Chatchept. I
Speaker 2: know Jacob and everybody else is not a super huge
Speaker 2: fan of AI and stuff like that.
Speaker 7: But if you use it for what you know, in
Speaker 7: the best way, that it's really helpful.
Speaker 5: No, for real, you ain't gotta tell me, you know,
Speaker 5: I've been on it for a minute, so.
Speaker 2: You're actually the one that got me on it.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 6: No, it's see, especially if you like, you know, like
Speaker 6: just tell it everything that you wanted to fucking you know,
Speaker 6: get to know you and then it's you know, it'll
Speaker 6: give you recommendations based off of like, you know, whatever
Speaker 6: you know, think, whatever it thinks you would like to
Speaker 6: know kind of sometimes like I ask mine, I tell
Speaker 6: it to, I have it like saved in my memory
Speaker 6: to like ask me clarifying questions as well, like you
Speaker 6: can you can say, you know, ask me questions to
Speaker 6: clarify or like expand on these things you know in
Speaker 6: the future, and like it's just kind of tailor made.
Speaker 5: It's awesome.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, it's great. And I actually use it to
Speaker 2: to like, you know, make a bunch of short clips
Speaker 2: for the shows and stuff like that. It's very helpful.
Speaker 2: But yeah, so yeah, just waiting on Jacob. I don't
Speaker 2: know what the hell's going all with him. I texted
Speaker 2: him and we have somebody else that's also reaching out
Speaker 2: to him, so we'll see.
Speaker 7: Maybe his phone died.
Speaker 2: Maybe you know, maybe he's on the phone with somebody important.
Speaker 2: Who knows. But anyway, we're gonna keep this party going, baby,
Speaker 2: So just getting back over the top. Thank you everybody
Speaker 2: for joining tonight. It's very nice to see all of y'all.
Speaker 2: Alexander said, latest, fuck assholes, JK, what's up, faggots. I
Speaker 2: look forward to that message every Tuesday. I'm gonna I'm
Speaker 2: gonna be real with you. It gives me a little
Speaker 2: bit of a leeway, you know, because I'm just reading it.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it. I'm not calling anybody yet. It's
Speaker 2: just a word, you know. I'm free. I'm in the
Speaker 2: clear whenever somebody says that. At least that's how I
Speaker 2: look at it. Anthony said, good evening, fellas and folks.
Speaker 2: What up, Anthony. We got to get you back on
Speaker 2: the show, dude, either on Meta or on the Cult,
Speaker 2: because I love all that Norse shit. I get down
Speaker 2: with all that Norse stuff, you know. Actually, a fun fact,
Speaker 2: me and Sean, I think we did an episode on
Speaker 2: the Norse Runs like a while back, like a year ago,
Speaker 2: and actually, my first ever like tarot slash oracle deck
Speaker 2: thing that I ever got was in New Orleans on
Speaker 2: Bourbon and it was like that was the one that
Speaker 2: I was just drawn to, dude, was the Norse one
Speaker 2: with all the ruins and stuff. And we did a
Speaker 2: show on that and I can't remember what it was,
Speaker 2: but it was like, I don't know it, it was
Speaker 2: a pretty awesome episode. And then the reading and all
Speaker 2: that stuff. I don't know. I don't know if y'all
Speaker 2: are into all that tarot shit that's more of a
Speaker 2: meadow thing.
Speaker 8: But.
Speaker 3: Thought it was really good.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, thank.
Speaker 2: You, dude, thank you. The Spirit Animals said was scared
Speaker 2: you didn't want to make Tuesdays great again. First of all,
Speaker 2: I don't think Tuesdays ever were great until we started
Speaker 2: doing the live shows, all right. So that's the way
Speaker 2: I look at it. It's that Tuesday's always sucked. It's
Speaker 2: literally the day whenever somebody's like trying to think of
Speaker 2: the most random day, people always say a Tuesday because
Speaker 2: it's the most random, boring, nothing is going on type
Speaker 2: of day, you know. So, yeah, we we have made
Speaker 2: Tuesdays great again. I would say, uh har g posted
Speaker 2: a meme here if Jesus had died on a guillotine.
Speaker 2: You say guillotine or guillotine. I've heard it said both ways.
Speaker 5: Guillotine.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that is hilarious. Everybody be rocking the
Speaker 2: necklace of the of the guillotine.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I always thought that that was so strange, dude, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, of all the good things, like, how about
Speaker 2: a fucking how about a little emblem of him like
Speaker 2: making bread or or you know, something awesome of him
Speaker 2: putting hands and healing somebody, or of him like healing
Speaker 2: somebody of their blindness. How about a good deed, like
Speaker 2: some magical thing that he's done. But no, it's always
Speaker 2: just like it's almost it's damn near a death cult.
Speaker 2: That's the way I look at it. And I know
Speaker 2: some people are going to disagree with that, but that's okay.
Speaker 2: Spirit animals said, we don't lick people lies adults tell kids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not licking everybody, But you know how
Speaker 2: that is one hundred men versus one gorilla. In Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: a single child took out a gorilla in twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Oh dicks out for harambe. Yeah, it's a sad story.
Speaker 2: I want to live in a van down by the river.
Speaker 2: Spirit Animal said classic Chris Farley. I actually thought about
Speaker 2: that too. I was like, dude, I watch so much
Speaker 2: Chris Farley that it's literally manifesting in my life. That's
Speaker 2: what's going on. And then eventually I'm gonna wind up
Speaker 2: in somebody's living room. I'm gonna tell them why they
Speaker 2: shouldn't be smoking doobies, and I'm gonna slam myself through
Speaker 2: their fucking through their table, you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Rip to one of the best. Oh you want to
Speaker 2: hear a fun story? Is uh uh Sean?
Speaker 7: Who I Sean? That? You know?
Speaker 2: My cousin from Meta Mysteries. I always said that he
Speaker 2: reminded me so much of Chris Farley, just like a
Speaker 2: lot of his manuysms and like his way of being funny.
Speaker 2: He's more of like that physical kind of funny. And
Speaker 2: and then you find out they have the same birthday.
Speaker 2: The fuck strange, right, Tony said, One of our friends
Speaker 2: did RV life for years with six kids and loved it. Cool.
Speaker 2: They have one hundred footer or what, because that's a lot.
Speaker 2: It seems like it seems very freeing though, like I've
Speaker 2: looked into it pretty pretty deeply as far as uh
Speaker 2: like uh, all the all the different like parks and
Speaker 2: stuff that you can go camp at, and like camping sites,
Speaker 2: and even like boon docking, which I know some people
Speaker 2: probably wouldn't be a huge fan of that, but boon
Speaker 2: docking is essentially like just going out in the middle
Speaker 2: of fucking nowhere. You don't have anywhere to hook your
Speaker 2: water or your sewage or your electricity or anything like
Speaker 2: that up. So if you want to just go out
Speaker 2: in the middle of Nevada somewhere and just park it
Speaker 2: and just see what happens, you know, just get out
Speaker 2: there and be one with nature. That sounds awesome but
Speaker 2: also kind of scary because what if you run out
Speaker 2: of gas? You know, maybe maybe not do it for
Speaker 2: very long. Spirit Animal said, when you're the only guy
Speaker 2: in the nursing home with a Viager prescription, they call
Speaker 2: me Pearl Harbor because this dick is Bomba's fuck.
Speaker 7: I love it.
Speaker 2: Hey, no true story here. My grandfather, who is is it? Widowed?
Speaker 2: Also if the man is widowed, it's still the same thing.
Speaker 2: So he's widowed, and and so he was living with
Speaker 2: my aunt for the longest time, and then he was
Speaker 2: like begging her to get put into a nursing home.
Speaker 2: Turns out the only reason he wanted to go to
Speaker 2: a nursing home was just to go get some ass.
Speaker 2: That was like the reason I'm like you, horny, old bastard.
Speaker 2: I get it, I do get it, Jamie said, owning
Speaker 2: a house sucks. I imagine that owning a lot of
Speaker 2: things probably has, you know, a lot of its downfalls.
Speaker 9: Hey, his name and he is, Hey, what I believe
Speaker 9: in Joe injury?
Speaker 7: Hey Joe Jr.
Speaker 5: Let's go.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how I feel about Joe Hendry,
Speaker 2: to be honest with you, but I think that he's
Speaker 2: gonna be making a lot more cameo appearances in WWE.
Speaker 10: Actually he is.
Speaker 11: He has now signed a contract with WW for five years.
Speaker 11: But he's both in WW and TNA now. And he
Speaker 11: just lost the TNA World Championship.
Speaker 2: Oh it's about to happen then, Yeah.
Speaker 10: No, he lost it to Trick Williams on NXT Battlegrounds.
Speaker 2: Oh really that's interesting. Yeah, uh, Matthew said, what a
Speaker 2: boys can't wait for two weeks from now? I have
Speaker 2: one more person who should join the conversation. When the
Speaker 2: time comes, this guy will blow you away. Ex bar lawyer,
Speaker 2: United Humanity Movement. Hook us up, let's do it. We're
Speaker 2: we're down with having all these kind of conversations. I mean, look,
Speaker 2: we had one stupid fuck on three times. And I
Speaker 2: mean Jacob's not really I mean we're a fan obviously
Speaker 2: of the the stupid fuck himself because he's a great guy.
Speaker 2: I think he's actually hilarious, Like the way that he
Speaker 2: portrays all of his information, Like that's the best way
Speaker 2: to get people to learn is whenever you're like having
Speaker 2: a good time with it. So I love the angle
Speaker 2: that he takes, especially if you go to his website.
Speaker 2: He's like, dude, there's so many funny things on his website.
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, sign up for my course or
Speaker 2: go fuck yourself. It's like, oh my god, what a
Speaker 2: way of selling shit.
Speaker 3: Jonathan.
Speaker 12: This guy, he he's a actual he was a lawyer.
Speaker 3: He's seventy years old, he's from Alabama, and.
Speaker 12: He knows everything Brandon knows. I mean I was talking
Speaker 12: to him. I even asked him if he was hip
Speaker 12: to Brandon. He said yeah, and I can teach what
Speaker 12: he does in an hour and twenty minutes.
Speaker 2: In five damn all right.
Speaker 12: He sent me an email. He's trying to help Christine Golbertie,
Speaker 12: the woman that I'm going to bring on your show.
Speaker 2: Oh that's right.
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, So he knows the law side of what
Speaker 12: is going on, and I.
Speaker 3: Think he'd be a great addition to the conversation.
Speaker 12: Okay, he sent me emails with different documents he's drawn
Speaker 12: up with all the different codes that makes everything.
Speaker 3: That our government do illegal.
Speaker 12: They're amazing documents and very well written, and I think
Speaker 12: they have a lot of validity. Okay, you can come
Speaker 12: on the show and explain that stuff in his movement eventually. Also,
Speaker 12: I think it would make a great show.
Speaker 2: Dude, without a doubt. Yeah. We're open to hearing pretty
Speaker 2: much anybody, like as long as they they have a
Speaker 2: good idea about what they're talking about. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: especially with Brandon Williams, like he he knews. He knows
Speaker 2: as shit like crazy up down, back and forth. He
Speaker 2: knows the codes, he knows the exact websites, he knows
Speaker 2: where to go exactly on his on his page and
Speaker 2: on Google it. Like I love those extremely like balls,
Speaker 2: deep into their knowledge type of people. Those are the
Speaker 2: most fascinating people. So definitely getting somebody that like was
Speaker 2: a part of the bar. Let's go, yeah, that's the
Speaker 2: kind that's kind of people you want. You know, who
Speaker 2: else I want? I want to get somebody to work
Speaker 2: for NASA the believes of the Earth is flat. That's
Speaker 2: what I want. And they do exist. By the way,
Speaker 2: I my ex actually was friends with this one person.
Speaker 2: Oh and she goes, so we go over to this
Speaker 2: person's house and this is back I don't know, two
Speaker 2: years ago or something like that, and she goes, all right, look,
Speaker 2: just don't talk about conspiracies. Like whatever you do, don't
Speaker 2: talk about conspiracies. We're just here to have a regular night.
Speaker 2: We're having dinner with them and their parents, So just
Speaker 2: keep it, you know, don't talk about vaccines, don't talk
Speaker 2: about the matrix, don't talk about how anything's faking gay
Speaker 2: or anything like that. And I was like, okay, okay, look,
Speaker 2: I'm not somebody that's going to push this on anybody.
Speaker 2: It's not like I just go up to random people
Speaker 2: in Walmart and talk to them about nine to eleven.
Speaker 2: You know, I'm not doing that. But if somebody starts
Speaker 2: a conversation I mean, hey, they pushed that ball down
Speaker 2: the hill. I'm just going to keep it rolling. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just part of the momentum at that point. That's
Speaker 2: the way I look at it. So anyway, I go
Speaker 2: over there and this girl out of nowhere, she goes, oh, hey,
Speaker 2: what do you do? And I said, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 2: I have a podcast and talk about conspiracies and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, and that's all I said. She goes, oh
Speaker 2: my god, what do you think about flat Earth? And
Speaker 2: I was like, dude, I think there might be some
Speaker 2: shit to it, just you know, kind of being a
Speaker 2: part of the conversation. And she's like, I'm telling you,
Speaker 2: and then she starts naming fucking ae hundred reasons why
Speaker 2: the Earth is flat, as they do, and yeah, it's fun.
Speaker 2: So I feel like a lot of like normal regular
Speaker 2: people are really coming around to a lot of conspiracies,
Speaker 2: not all of them. You know, I don't get down
Speaker 2: with every conspiracy, Jacob. I think it gets down with
Speaker 2: maybe five percent of the conspiracies, so you know, you
Speaker 2: don't have to be a full on, like crazy person
Speaker 2: with it. But but yeah, I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of people are really coming around to it. Oh, And
Speaker 2: by the way, did you all see that recently they
Speaker 2: just made the COVID vaccine they don't allow kids or
Speaker 2: pregnant women to take it, just passed yesterday.
Speaker 5: I'm like, I saw that.
Speaker 2: A little fucking late for that, bud, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 2: But yeah, imagine like you you already got like your
Speaker 2: seventh or eighth booster, and now they're like, oh, look,
Speaker 2: we're not saying it's dangerous, but you shouldn't take it
Speaker 2: if you're pregnant, and you shouldn't be given it to
Speaker 2: your kids. Oh my god, they're burying themselves.
Speaker 6: And I'd love to see it or if you're between
Speaker 6: twenty five and sixty four next.
Speaker 2: Right, right, Yeah, it's it's it's definitely bound to come.
Speaker 2: And I hope that a lot of those vaccines end
Speaker 2: up getting taken off because, dude, the more you look
Speaker 2: into vaccines, and we've I mean, we have literally hammered
Speaker 2: that nil a million ways, and you can see just
Speaker 2: how dangerous and unnatural they are. And some people even
Speaker 2: go as far as to say, like you remember whenever
Speaker 2: the COVID vaccine was coming out that basically if you
Speaker 2: were to take that because because of I don't remember
Speaker 2: the sequence within the chemicals, and because it was a
Speaker 2: spike protein that essentially if you took it, then you're
Speaker 2: you're now their property or you know, Pfizer's property or
Speaker 2: the World Health Organization's property or something like that. And
Speaker 2: you remember hearing about that, Nick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's basically like the same thing as like pharmaceuticals
Speaker 6: and like genetically modified like vegetables and stuff. Whenever they
Speaker 6: engineer it, then they can patent it. And then because
Speaker 6: they've altered it genetically, it's now a new thing. And
Speaker 6: essentially because an mRNA vaccine, it like is altering your
Speaker 6: DNA and you're now something new because of what you
Speaker 6: had accepted.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that's what it was. And you know, and
Speaker 2: I think that to be honest, and I know that
Speaker 2: there might be some new people that are like pretty
Speaker 2: new to conspiracies in general, or new to how the
Speaker 2: new world order really works. Maybe you don't need believe
Speaker 2: that there's a new world order. Maybe you think it's
Speaker 2: just a bunch of these individuals who are all evil
Speaker 2: and greedy. No matter how you look at it, there
Speaker 2: are a bunch of people who really don't care about you,
Speaker 2: and they're looking just to make a dollar off of you.
Speaker 2: And not only that there some of them are working together.
Speaker 2: You could, you know, you could say that they're all
Speaker 2: working together to try and reduce the world's population. And
Speaker 2: here's the thing. You know how you know this is
Speaker 2: because pharmaceutical companies they cannot patent what is already found
Speaker 2: in nature, like and so they have to fuck with
Speaker 2: the DNA sequence. They have to fuck with the genetic
Speaker 2: makeup in order to make it theirs, in order for
Speaker 2: them to market it, in order for them to mark
Speaker 2: up the price, right Like, That's how they're doing that.
Speaker 2: That's why you're never gonna hear a doctor telling you
Speaker 2: that you should eat more vegetables. You never You're never
Speaker 2: gonna hear a doctor say, oh, you know, you really
Speaker 2: need to get on a treadmill, because it's all this
Speaker 2: body positivity bullshit nowadays, which literally is a form of brainwashing.
Speaker 2: Like anybody, I mean, go go get your fucking blood
Speaker 2: pressure taken. I mean, tell me about your body positivity then,
Speaker 2: you know, like we need to be healthier and we
Speaker 2: don't need a pill for every single thing that's wrong
Speaker 2: with us. You know, sometimes it's just it just calls
Speaker 2: for drinking more water, eating healthier, Maybe go and exercise,
Speaker 2: do something, Go get in the pool and swim, they'll
Speaker 2: do something. But you know, they just want to push
Speaker 2: all the vaccines and stuff. And that's the thing. They're
Speaker 2: not going to make any money off of you from
Speaker 2: you eating healthier. They're not going to make any money
Speaker 2: off of you from you going hitting the gym, or
Speaker 2: they're not gonna make any money off of you from
Speaker 2: getting natural ingredients that are found in nature. Right, Jamie,
Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on that? Sir? Here comes the
Speaker 2: old man fit. There's the old man face right there.
Speaker 2: I'm loving the stash though there. Dude, you son of a.
Speaker 3: Bitch, You son of a bitch.
Speaker 9: No, So, I actually I was a potner in fitness industry,
Speaker 9: Like I had gyms several and one of the things.
Speaker 3: They just lied to you.
Speaker 9: They're like, hey, take this chemical, Hey take this chemical.
Speaker 9: Hey what if we stop taking chemicals and eat real shit?
Speaker 9: And that's why they kept the same to everyone. And dude,
Speaker 9: I'm I'm just so all for just like holistic.
Speaker 3: As I smoked nicotine out of this thing and drinking
Speaker 3: beer out of this thing. It's probably not healthy. Whatever,
Speaker 3: we'll figure it out.
Speaker 2: I mean, you got a blue pilt from time to time,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I mean, look at me, dude,
Speaker 2: I have a fucking blue tongue. Look man, where do
Speaker 2: you think that game? Do you think it's natural?
Speaker 9: But the biggest thing is like, don't do drugs, you'll
Speaker 9: be better.
Speaker 5: You'll me what's that nig? Yes, that's what I said.
Speaker 3: No, I'm just a mushrooms. Great you want to smoke weed?
Speaker 4: Great for me?
Speaker 3: Not good? You know, I'm I'm weak with it. But
Speaker 3: I'm just like, hey, just eat like real food. Just
Speaker 3: eat food like usual things that come out of the grass.
Speaker 3: Just eat it. It's better for you.
Speaker 9: And that's the biggest thing that the food pyramid neglects
Speaker 9: is like, hey, just go outside, get some food, eat it.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and well and literally in your front yard. You
Speaker 2: know they talk about that, Uh what is it? The
Speaker 2: the lettuce and the dandelions, about how all that shit
Speaker 2: is literally cancer killing agents.
Speaker 7: Dude.
Speaker 9: Like it's so insane what people do not do to
Speaker 9: their bodies, Like, hey, go outside, go for a walk.
Speaker 3: Oh I'm stressed out, I have anxiety. Go outside, go
Speaker 3: for a walk.
Speaker 2: Oh dude, go go to a pond and go rip
Speaker 2: some lip, baby, That's what I do.
Speaker 9: Do packle lip, pack it your head, like you know
Speaker 9: what I mean, Like it doesn't even matter. Just go outside,
Speaker 9: get vitamin D get sunburned, don't put on sunscreen.
Speaker 2: Absolulu, dude, if you hear there's actually uh so we
Speaker 2: I can't remember what year it was, but I guess
Speaker 2: the people that regulate sunscreen and and products and stuff
Speaker 2: like that, they have not like updated what chemicals are
Speaker 2: good for you, literally since like eighty one or eighty two,
Speaker 2: like something crazy. Literally the same shit that they were
Speaker 2: putting on their bodies to prevent, you.
Speaker 4: Know, the sunburn fifty fifty Just so we're clear.
Speaker 2: Were fifty fucking years we've been using the same thing.
Speaker 7: Dude.
Speaker 2: I never put sunscreen on my kids. I never put
Speaker 2: it on myself.
Speaker 7: Even dude, even before, even before, like I started the
Speaker 7: whole conspiracy thing, I just knew that.
Speaker 2: There's like there's something so unnatural about it. We should
Speaker 2: be outside and getting Dude, you get a sunburn, who
Speaker 2: gets a fuck?
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. It peels right off.
Speaker 2: Put some aloe on it.
Speaker 7: You're good.
Speaker 3: You don't just suck it up?
Speaker 6: What was that like, sunglasses, Like if you wear if
Speaker 6: you wear sunglasses out in the sun, you get some
Speaker 6: burnt way easier because your eyes don't tell your skin
Speaker 6: to like stargulate. Yeah, yeah, it's like, hey, we're about
Speaker 6: to take in a lot of sun start you know,
Speaker 6: converting shit, the vitamin D and all that. And if
Speaker 6: you have sunglasses on, it's like you're looking around the dark,
Speaker 6: you know, and just.
Speaker 2: Getting friede And that's the you know, literally your what
Speaker 2: do they say, like your largest organ is your skin,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a it's an intelligent thing that
Speaker 2: is connected to the rest of all of your intelligent
Speaker 2: functions in your body. And so if your eyes are
Speaker 2: telling your body that it's like shady outside, you know,
Speaker 2: or it's it's almost fake time, or the sun's going
Speaker 2: down or something like that, then your body is going
Speaker 2: to be like, oh, okay, I don't need to put my
Speaker 2: defense mechanism up. Then that's all.
Speaker 5: You know, It's so silly, but it makes perfect sense though,
Speaker 5: it does.
Speaker 7: It actually does.
Speaker 9: I've had to correct my girl on this, and we
Speaker 9: talked about last week. She's in the aatal you.
Speaker 3: Know, redhead.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, ginger, Ginger.
Speaker 9: I was like don't put the sunglasses on. And she
Speaker 9: was down here. So she's from Massachusetts, so she's super white.
Speaker 9: And no offense to anybody that's white. It's just she's
Speaker 9: very pasty, right, So she comes down here. I live
Speaker 9: in South Carolina, just so you guys know, and I
Speaker 9: was like, don't put on sunscreen.
Speaker 3: And she's like why, I'm like, just let your body
Speaker 3: get used to it.
Speaker 9: And she goes to put on sunglasses. I'm like, that's
Speaker 9: bad for you. I'm like, your eyes need the red light.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna be real with you.
Speaker 2: I wear sunglasses, but not like if I'm out by
Speaker 2: the pool or if i'm tanning or something like that.
Speaker 2: Like I'll wear sunglasses while I'm driving. That's really the
Speaker 2: main the main time I use sunglasses.
Speaker 3: Glare. I get that.
Speaker 2: That's that's really it. Steph. What's up dude? By the way,
Speaker 2: are you one hundred percent going to bro Grove this year?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 13: Yeah, absolutely, I've booked everything.
Speaker 10: I'm all set, let's.
Speaker 2: Go, let's go. We actually just we actually just got paid.
Speaker 2: We just got paid today, so it should hit my
Speaker 2: account tomorrow. I'm buying the plane tickets tomorrow.
Speaker 13: Huh. That's exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm I'm for sure
Speaker 13: going excited to see y'all and uh to see some
Speaker 13: of the other podcasts and people and comedians. But I
Speaker 13: wanted to let you know and ask you I am
Speaker 13: taking I just I'm on day four of blue methylene,
Speaker 13: the same I think it's but my tongue doesn't turn blue.
Speaker 13: It's got some caffeine in it. It's got like L
Speaker 13: three inane or something like that in it. I should
Speaker 13: probably do some more research. So I've been on that.
Speaker 13: But I just wanted to tell you you guys that
Speaker 13: I absolutely love Deplorable Janet. She's like reframing a lot
Speaker 13: of health issues and to just piggyback on what you
Speaker 13: guys are saying about the sun since move I've been
Speaker 13: out in Arizona for a handful of years now and
Speaker 13: I don't wear sunglasses ever, and every time my friends come,
Speaker 13: they likes the first thing they do is they put
Speaker 13: on sunglasses. But your eyes do adjust and I do
Speaker 13: get some sunburns, but it's never usually very severe. You
Speaker 13: put on a little aloe. The next day it's like
Speaker 13: a sun It's like you got sun kissed. And so
Speaker 13: but I'm kind of curious what your guys's thoughts are
Speaker 13: on skin cancer that does run in my family. I
Speaker 13: am somewhat nervous about. But where does that come from?
Speaker 13: Where does skin cancer come from? I know it has
Speaker 13: like genetic factors, and I just want to know your
Speaker 13: guys's thoughts. I know you guys are all mds, but
Speaker 13: let's just well.
Speaker 2: And we've we've talked to like Lindsay Charmon from Rogueways,
Speaker 2: for example, she brought up about how cancer and tumors
Speaker 2: are actually severely linked and they look like they look
Speaker 2: like doppelgangers underneath a microscope in comparison to parasites, and
Speaker 2: and I think that absolutely has something to do with it. Also,
Speaker 2: I think, so y'all know, I'm gonna get a little
Speaker 2: woo woo with this, but I actually believe this that whenever, So,
Speaker 2: there was a book that was written by Julia Cannon,
Speaker 2: which is Dolores Cannon's daughter, and it was a book
Speaker 2: called Soul Speak, and it was essentially talking about like
Speaker 2: how people within past life progressions, they would they would
Speaker 2: you know, carry over information and stuff like that, maybe
Speaker 2: lost information that you know, people weren't people forgot about
Speaker 2: or whatever. And this Soul Speak book was essentially like
Speaker 2: just about like, if you have something wrong with you,
Speaker 2: then this is what the meaning could be. Right, So
Speaker 2: let's just say you have I don't know, fucking uh
Speaker 2: what is it called? Not anus cancer, but cancer in
Speaker 2: the buttle whatever the fuck that's called, and so prostate cancer.
Speaker 2: So I was thinking of and so essentially that whole
Speaker 2: prostate cancer thing. What from what she was saying that
Speaker 2: it has something to do with like you're holding something
Speaker 2: in that you're not letting go. So it's almost literal
Speaker 2: how how all that works. And you know, take with
Speaker 2: that information whatever you want. The skin cancer one, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I have the book, I can go and
Speaker 2: check it, but I think probably most likely I want
Speaker 2: to be real with you, dude. You know they they
Speaker 2: say that that skin cancer is caused from not putting
Speaker 2: on sunscreen or getting too much sun and not protecting yourself.
Speaker 2: I actually think it's the opposite. I think that it's
Speaker 2: probably not only the sunscreen that causes it, but I
Speaker 2: think that it's probably a lot of the other products
Speaker 2: that we use. Think about all the scented lotions and
Speaker 2: the oils and the soaps and the body washes and
Speaker 2: all that other shit, and it's not even touching the
Speaker 2: water that is coming out of our faucet that is
Speaker 2: completely unfiltered. I mean, unless you have a couple thousand dollars,
Speaker 2: like high end type of filter, then you know you're
Speaker 2: not filtering out all of the chemicals, all the chlorine,
Speaker 2: all of the you know what I mean, all of
Speaker 2: the negative shit that's in there.
Speaker 7: Now.
Speaker 2: I do, like I have super sensitive skin, so I
Speaker 2: have one of those it's like a shower head that
Speaker 2: gets filtered through these like lava beads or something like that,
Speaker 2: and supposedly it's supposed to like filter out like a
Speaker 2: lot of chlorine and stuff like that, and it has helped.
Speaker 2: But even still due that water that's coming out is
Speaker 2: absolutely not good for you. So I would actually venture
Speaker 2: to say that it's probably something to do with skin
Speaker 2: care products and the water that has something to do
Speaker 2: with why skin cancer is a thing. That's just my opinion, Jacob,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the fucking conversation. Good sir, Did you take
Speaker 2: a nap or what?
Speaker 7: Bro I didn't even realize I had shut my eyes.
Speaker 7: I was sitting on the recliner, I had my phone
Speaker 7: in my lap. I was watching some YouTube right. Actually,
Speaker 7: as a matter of fact, I was watching a debate
Speaker 7: with Jay Dyer. Right. We had him on the show
Speaker 7: and a guy named rus Laan, right, and he was
Speaker 7: talking about Eastern Orthodox versus other types of Christianity, good things,
Speaker 7: and I was like, really enjoying the conversation. Next thing
Speaker 7: I know, my dog is barking its ass off, and
Speaker 7: I'm like, what the hell is going on? I look,
Speaker 7: it is nine thirty, and I'm like, oh, oh well,
Speaker 7: oh that's fun. So apologies everybody, me and I'm late,
Speaker 7: but I'm here.
Speaker 2: Me and the good cult member has been holding down
Speaker 2: the foot, as Jamie would say, you know, you gotta
Speaker 2: throw that are out, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: Are you rocking a mullet over there? Jamie?
Speaker 2: Is that what's going on? Can you take your hat off?
Speaker 2: Let's see that fucking beautiful masterpiece? Is that?
Speaker 7: Is that?
Speaker 4: Is that?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 2: Business up front, party in the back type?
Speaker 10: Shit?
Speaker 7: No, dude, you just got fully.
Speaker 9: I got a fully Okay, I've been I've been cut
Speaker 9: my own hair for like four or five years.
Speaker 7: No, I'm not paid.
Speaker 3: I'm not paying anybody to make me look terrible. I
Speaker 3: look terrible anyway.
Speaker 2: No, No, I mean yeah, actually I'm the same way.
Speaker 2: It was the longest time until I paid for a
Speaker 2: haircut because my mom's a hairstylist, so literally, I always
Speaker 2: got free haircuts growing up. And that was actually part
Speaker 2: of the reason why I initially grew my hair out
Speaker 2: along the in the first place. Whenever I first grew
Speaker 2: it out the first time was because I was like,
Speaker 2: I ain't paying for no fucking haircut, Like you know what, I.
Speaker 3: Mean, what is that?
Speaker 2: But you know, every so often now I'll go get
Speaker 2: a haircut and I'm paying for it.
Speaker 7: But I had to do that. I got ready to
Speaker 7: be I'm growing it back out.
Speaker 2: Though it's it's in its beginning stages and I'm trying
Speaker 2: to get like Jacob over there looking like fucking young bandolf.
Speaker 4: Oh you ain't, Yo, you ain't.
Speaker 7: I've heard you say that like eighteen times by now,
Speaker 7: Market nothing but tease at this point, Market, you got.
Speaker 4: Rid of the beard? Why did you get rid of
Speaker 4: the beard?
Speaker 7: Brother?
Speaker 2: Gotta rock that creeper stash?
Speaker 7: Baby?
Speaker 9: Uh So my girl likes guys what mustache is.
Speaker 3: So I'm just like, all right, whatever, I don't care.
Speaker 3: This is what this is.
Speaker 4: My dislikes the beard?
Speaker 3: No, does she hate because I'm so gray? Oh?
Speaker 2: She she prefers the old French tickler. Eh.
Speaker 3: She's like, yeah, you don't. You don't fucking yougo gold?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, ad, my bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I mean you're I feel that.
Speaker 4: I'm so excited for the grade to take over.
Speaker 2: You're like our age though, aren't you. You're like mid
Speaker 2: thirties or something like that.
Speaker 3: Right, I'm old, yeah, thirty six soon.
Speaker 2: Oh so you're my age.
Speaker 3: I had to think about it.
Speaker 2: Sorry, yeah, no, she was.
Speaker 3: So she came down this weekend.
Speaker 9: So I was like, all right, I'll get rid of
Speaker 9: the hair, you know, whatever you want, honey.
Speaker 2: I feel that, you know.
Speaker 3: But guys, we need to dive in.
Speaker 9: To everything that came out this week with that whole
Speaker 9: what is it not the p Diddy case?
Speaker 3: Hold on, I messed you.
Speaker 4: Jacob had Diddy case ship. That's still that is still
Speaker 4: one folding that dude there.
Speaker 3: We need we need to go in.
Speaker 7: Oh hold on, let's see here, dude, Steve Hovey, I said,
Speaker 7: I just opened the chat and I started nine forty,
Speaker 7: So whatever was sent before that, I missed it.
Speaker 2: Jeez, you know what we're gonna go down the chat.
Speaker 2: We're gonna get to it. Let's just pop up on
Speaker 2: that here and here in a second, I'll dap out
Speaker 2: all right. Uh, Spirit animal with your hand raised, sir?
Speaker 2: What's good? The conspiracy platypus himself looking like Jamie over there,
Speaker 2: can't find the unmute button.
Speaker 10: What I'm sorry?
Speaker 11: No, my ear budd just died it and I was
Speaker 11: trying to switch it back to there. But I have
Speaker 11: a serious question for you boys.
Speaker 5: Did y'all know?
Speaker 7: All right?
Speaker 10: So hold on, I had it in my head.
Speaker 2: I lost it, My bad, But it happens to me
Speaker 2: all the time.
Speaker 10: Okay. So you know how I was talking.
Speaker 11: All about the Wonderwaff and h the Glockie the other
Speaker 11: link last week. Yeah, and I didn't get all the
Speaker 11: information out and everything, but about it was over in
Speaker 11: Kentucky's where it crashed landed years later, and how I
Speaker 11: told y'all it was actually time travel to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that rings a bell.
Speaker 10: It was so the way the bill is actually designed.
Speaker 11: If you look in I think it's Hinduism and Buddhism,
Speaker 11: but they have this thing called imanos.
Speaker 10: I want to say, Uh, it's where they have the
Speaker 10: monks and all.
Speaker 11: They're sitting in like a little like a drailer looking thing,
Speaker 11: and that when like they believe that when that back
Speaker 11: in the day, that they could concentrate getting in tune
Speaker 11: with their in their selves and UH, that they would
Speaker 11: be able to lift and fly.
Speaker 10: And this is how their gods had uh in the Gita.
Speaker 11: They were flying in these machines like this, but they
Speaker 11: were also shooting arrows that never missed in uh a
Speaker 11: battlefield where the war of the Gods happening. All is
Speaker 11: still radioactive even today. I just find it kind of
Speaker 11: cool how the Nazis they hated the they hated everybody
Speaker 11: that was blond and blue ad but yet they took
Speaker 11: all the occult from everyone and try to turn it
Speaker 11: into something a bastardization of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what we just got done talking about that
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, about who was it that
Speaker 2: they were not the Hindus, but it was.
Speaker 4: Like that, oh.
Speaker 7: That, well, no, I'm saying that.
Speaker 2: The Tibetans that they were basically employing the services of.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's it is pretty pretty insane. Oh and
Speaker 2: you're talking about the uh the Bagava Gita dude. I
Speaker 2: actually just picked that book up because I saw it
Speaker 2: over a good will the other day and I said,
Speaker 2: get in my buggy right now. I need that.
Speaker 11: I just started reading the Book of Joshure and it
Speaker 11: may it's making a whole lot more sense.
Speaker 14: And I.
Speaker 11: Shout out to Dog from the Prometheus Lens because he
Speaker 11: he got me reading it. And the dude is fucking smart.
Speaker 11: And I completely agree with him on that.
Speaker 7: Esau was not.
Speaker 10: I could see him being the first Sesscutch.
Speaker 7: I completely fucking dude.
Speaker 2: Justin is the homie. He's one of the main homist,
Speaker 2: one of the main homies that's ever homie. And love
Speaker 2: that guy. And the way the cross reference research, which
Speaker 2: he does, you know, because he's not only pulling it
Speaker 2: from the Bible. That's his main context is from the Bible,
Speaker 2: but he cross translates it through other texts and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. I love people that do that. Like I
Speaker 2: think that, Like if you're ever trying to get the
Speaker 2: full picture, especially on something so specific about giants, like
Speaker 2: if giants existed, surely somebody else talked.
Speaker 7: About it, right, Like let's just be real, everybody, That's
Speaker 7: what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: And so and and who knows was it was giants?
Speaker 2: Were they talking about actually actual giant skeletons or or
Speaker 2: were they talking about you know, the allegorical giant of
Speaker 2: sorts or something like that. And you know, not everybody
Speaker 2: agrees that there were giants, by the way, it's not
Speaker 2: it's not like it's not like everybody agrees that the
Speaker 2: giants were Nephlum.
Speaker 4: No, no, not Nephalm.
Speaker 7: But like, find me a culture that doesn't have a
Speaker 7: story about giants walking the earth.
Speaker 4: No, everybody has a story about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm talking about specifically them being called Nephilum or
Speaker 2: them actually being the you know what I mean, like
Speaker 2: the the the sons of men or whatever came down
Speaker 2: and fucked the daughters of men, the sons of God
Speaker 2: came down.
Speaker 4: That's that's a specifically Abrahamic take on it, that's for.
Speaker 2: Sure, right right, Nick, What do you think about that?
Speaker 2: Do you think that the Nephilum were giants? Is that?
Speaker 2: Is that your opinion?
Speaker 6: So I believe my understanding of the Nephelum story is
Speaker 6: You've heard me say this before, but the like number
Speaker 6: one conspiracy kind.
Speaker 5: Of worldwide for a long time.
Speaker 6: Is really if you can trace it back to trying
Speaker 6: to keep people from understanding that we're not alone, as in,
Speaker 6: there's benevolent or malevolent other beings that interact with us
Speaker 6: on a you know, any throughout history, right us not
Speaker 6: knowing that there's particularly benevolent like angelic beings that are
Speaker 6: around that are that are available and have interacted with humanity,
Speaker 6: call them, you know, angel whatever. But just the idea
Speaker 6: that we're not just us, that's the thing that's the
Speaker 6: biggest cover up throughout history even into now, which is
Speaker 6: why that you know, the whole UFO disclosure thing is
Speaker 6: like above nuclear and all that kind of stuff. So
Speaker 6: from my understanding, the giants were another erace of extraterrestrial
Speaker 6: that came to Earth that happened to look well, I mean,
Speaker 6: just the human human like what's the what's the word
Speaker 6: anthropomorphic form, you know, head head mars legs is kind
Speaker 6: of standard across the universe in general, you know, I mean,
Speaker 6: you've got you know, the Gray's, the Nordic Pleadians, whatever,
Speaker 6: they're all kind of based on that model.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 6: So, from what I understand, the the idea of Nephlum
Speaker 6: was more of a cover up to just cover up
Speaker 6: the idea that you know, there's other stuff out there
Speaker 6: and just keep you thinking that in that box.
Speaker 2: You know, Nick, I do have a question for you,
Speaker 2: and this is just I want to hear it from
Speaker 2: your lens, you know. But as far as aliens and
Speaker 2: let's just say higher dimensional entities or offshoot civilizations from
Speaker 2: other planets or whatever you want to call them, did
Speaker 2: do you think that they reproduced the same way reproduce
Speaker 2: we reproduce such as like like that, you.
Speaker 7: Know what I mean?
Speaker 2: I think there's fucking going on or is it?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, yeah, I think so.
Speaker 7: So.
Speaker 6: I mean there's from what I understand, there's you know,
Speaker 6: there's beings that exist on like the three D level
Speaker 6: like us. Then there's higher dimensional and so on. Whenever
Speaker 6: you get into the uh light being more angelic type realms.
Speaker 6: I guess from what I understand, they do have when
Speaker 6: they're ready to do that, it kind of makes itself available.
Speaker 6: I would say, like, from what I understand, it's like Kendall,
Speaker 6: until you're ready.
Speaker 5: Oh ship, does that makes sense? You manifest it?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and then it's like and then it's like straight
Speaker 6: avatar link after that, just your tails together.
Speaker 7: Right, So aliens do or do not have cheeks that
Speaker 7: can be clapped.
Speaker 5: I mean it depends on the density and dimension of said.
Speaker 7: Hey, you know.
Speaker 4: We were thinking density. All thinking of is the jiggle
Speaker 4: of said cheeks.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, my brother went to a whole different thing
Speaker 7: as far as density goes.
Speaker 4: Like before we talking intergalactic cell you like, when we talking.
Speaker 2: About it a wicked wick.
Speaker 7: I tell you what though, if it's if we're basing
Speaker 7: it off of personal experiences.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not gonna say that I got jiggy
Speaker 2: woot old segment, you know, a year and a half,
Speaker 2: two years ago, whenever that happened, and not saying that
Speaker 2: I didn't though, you know what I'm saying, Like there
Speaker 2: was definitely some growage in the h the old sacral chakra,
Speaker 2: if you feel what I'm saying. So yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's uh, it's strange. I just wanted to ask. And
Speaker 2: the reason why I wanted to ask is because of
Speaker 2: the whole you know, uh, fallen angels coming and mating
Speaker 2: with humans. So yeah, would that be.
Speaker 6: I don't think that ever happened in that capacity. I
Speaker 6: think we're talking in terms of like people at the
Speaker 6: time using the words of vocabulary that they have to
Speaker 6: describe the things that they've heard about when they don't
Speaker 6: have the terms for it, kind of like you know,
Speaker 6: flying ships or flying canoes, flying shields, you know, the
Speaker 6: ways that they described UFOs in the sky when they
Speaker 6: didn't have like quantum spaceship.
Speaker 5: Rocket type thing. Like.
Speaker 6: We have a higher vocabulary today to be more detailed.
Speaker 6: So if you're talking about a you know, a angelic
Speaker 6: being mating quote unquote with a human like that could
Speaker 6: be a way of saying genetically modified, right like in
Speaker 6: those terms, like they obviously didn't have terms for accelerated
Speaker 6: evolution in adding one's essence to to a lower hominid,
Speaker 6: and that definitely happened in some capacity in more cases
Speaker 6: than one from what I understand.
Speaker 2: So and that's what we that's what we actually talked about,
Speaker 2: you know, last week or whenever it was, and when
Speaker 2: we were talking about how Randall Carlson brings up the younger,
Speaker 2: driest impact about how just like how everything advanced in
Speaker 2: such a short amount of time, Like so we went
Speaker 2: essentially from what you might consider a caveman to building,
Speaker 2: building things and working together as communities and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to say becoming spiritually advanced. I
Speaker 2: don't know, but what I am saying is like we
Speaker 2: weren't just like anymore, you know, like there was something more.
Speaker 2: There was something a little extra that that happened in
Speaker 2: that in that span of ten thousand years or whatever
Speaker 2: it is. I'm not saying that it happened all at once,
Speaker 2: but you know, over the over the period, it doesn't
Speaker 2: seem likely if you looking at the chart of you know,
Speaker 2: rising in shit that we were able to do over
Speaker 2: the course of time, there just so happened to be
Speaker 2: a huge spike allegedly there.
Speaker 6: So whenever there's there's one comparison or is it, does
Speaker 6: dichotomy mean comparison?
Speaker 5: Is that the same word dichotomy? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Uh, it's kind of the Uh, well, I've always heard
Speaker 7: you using the terms of like the dichotomy of good
Speaker 7: and evil within each man, so like it's more or
Speaker 7: less like, yeah, comparison, I guess could be a word,
Speaker 7: but it's more like the the paradigm that people find
Speaker 7: themselves in when they're fighting from two different forces within.
Speaker 7: But I'm with.
Speaker 6: You, Okay, Well, I was gonna try to use it
Speaker 6: I'm not sure if I understand it properly, but anyway,
Speaker 6: I've been trying learn. Yeah, so the I've been wanting
Speaker 6: to make the comparison of of the you know how
Speaker 6: they talked about how they could tell that the COVID
Speaker 6: strain was created in a lab because there are certain
Speaker 6: like biological and genetic markers that can cannot be based
Speaker 6: on the way that it was changed. That it doesn't
Speaker 6: happen naturally over the course of like an evolutionary period.
Speaker 5: Right, Therefore, you.
Speaker 6: Can pretty well say that this was something that was
Speaker 6: artificially done, right, like it had some outside influence that
Speaker 6: was quote unquote man made or just non naturally manipulated,
Speaker 6: right without with a pretty reasonable you know, ninety nine percent,
Speaker 6: like this doesn't happen on its own, and everyone kind
Speaker 6: of kind of agree the same kind of I guess
Speaker 6: probability exists in the genetic markers of anatomically modern humans,
Speaker 6: like two hundred thousand years ago from where the missing
Speaker 6: link exists. And I've been trying to I don't figure
Speaker 6: out a good way to make that comparison, but it's
Speaker 6: the same not likelihood that exists in the way that
Speaker 6: they've said, Hey, the COVID you know, strain was manipulating
Speaker 6: intentionally by something you know, humans in this case. But
Speaker 6: that same kind of statistically unlikelihood exists in the genetic
Speaker 6: human makeup as well. And you know where or how
Speaker 6: that happened is you know the big mystery.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, And that's where you know, so the whole
Speaker 2: Big Bang theory, like it has to be more than that.
Speaker 2: It's not like just some crazy anomaly that happened one
Speaker 2: time and all of a sudden, it's like everything has
Speaker 2: its own like a footprint, and everything is its own
Speaker 2: individual kind of thing. You know, you look at your fingerprints.
Speaker 2: Nobody has the same exact fingerprints as anybody else in
Speaker 2: the world. It's like that was not just by happenstance.
Speaker 7: I don't think, well, I'm with you on that, but
Speaker 7: I mean to your point Nick, Also, if we're going
Speaker 7: back in time and looking at DNA strands, I think
Speaker 7: it was either eleven thousand or twelve thousand years ago
Speaker 7: apparently like ninety percent of the male population on Earth died,
Speaker 7: and they're able to check that through.
Speaker 4: DNA sequencing as well.
Speaker 7: Because I want to say, the female genetic strands are
Speaker 7: like house within the mitochondria of cells, and I forget
Speaker 7: which side or which part of the cell the males
Speaker 7: is housed within, but they're basically able to go back
Speaker 7: and see that at one point in time. That's why
Speaker 7: they believe that ancient, ancient, ancient world war happened because
Speaker 7: for some reason, ninety percent of males only died within
Speaker 7: the same like five to ten year gap of time.
Speaker 7: So they're thinking that either a there was some sort
Speaker 7: of a mass disease that came around the earth and
Speaker 7: only killed dudes, or a mass war where you know,
Speaker 7: typically back in those days, men were the war fighters,
Speaker 7: so that they went out to war and all died
Speaker 7: like whatever the case would be. But yeah, they're able
Speaker 7: to go back and through DNA sequencing, see how far
Speaker 7: back that really goes. And there seems to be a
Speaker 7: bottleneck with the human genome about you know, twelve thousand
Speaker 7: years ago, give or take. But and I'm with you, Jonathan,
Speaker 7: I don't believe we went from the caveman to human
Speaker 7: beings that we would think of today in a gap
Speaker 7: of only a few thousand years. I don't know what
Speaker 7: the carbon day is showing on like auto the Iceman
Speaker 7: and things like that, But I mean there's all kinds
Speaker 7: of examples of human civilization going a lot further back
Speaker 7: than what we originally thought. For the longest time that
Speaker 7: we thought that human civilization or human history quote unquote
Speaker 7: dates six thousand, seven thousand years something like that. Go
Speaker 7: Beckley tepe blew the shit out of that conversation, right,
Speaker 7: dogger Land puts us to around fourteen thousand BC, And
Speaker 7: we don't even know what predated that because that's just
Speaker 7: the earliest that we can get our hands on. So,
Speaker 7: I mean, who's to say how far back this was?
Speaker 7: The younger, dryer theory? I mean, do they even have
Speaker 7: a working theory as to when that happened?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was around that twelve thousand year mark that
Speaker 2: you were just talking about.
Speaker 4: Actually, yeah, okay, so that's my point.
Speaker 7: We're talking about civilization humans, not caveman, but humans having
Speaker 7: civilization and buildings and a language and all these things
Speaker 7: around that timeframe. So I mean, how much further back
Speaker 7: before that where they're humans walking the earth and where
Speaker 7: how how far back does that gap really go between
Speaker 7: cave people and human beings or Homo erectus to Homo
Speaker 7: sapien sapien You know, there's a lot more to be
Speaker 7: said there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, there's uh. And to bring up that Lelo
Speaker 2: and Stitch movie again, I know people hate it.
Speaker 4: Whatever I rash.
Speaker 2: One thing that I thought was funny that they mentioned
Speaker 2: in the in the new remake of it, is that
Speaker 2: they were talking about how humanity it gets blasted with
Speaker 2: an asteroid and they have to restart and jumpstart humanity
Speaker 2: and and stuff like that every every couple thousand years.
Speaker 2: And I was like, damn, that's that's about right. And
Speaker 2: it makes you wonder like, are we are we absolutely
Speaker 2: getting blasted by asteroids every couple of years? Is it
Speaker 2: just a thing that is perpetually happening?
Speaker 7: You know, like is it?
Speaker 2: Is it mentally right? But I'm talking about catastrophic you know,
Speaker 2: Like I wonder how many times that has catastrophically happened
Speaker 2: to where wiped out the majority of humanity to make
Speaker 2: it have to start all over again. Because if you
Speaker 2: think about it, I mean, who knows what the age
Speaker 2: of the universe is, or what the age of the
Speaker 2: Earth is, or what the age of human are. There's
Speaker 2: just there's not enough information on it. And you you
Speaker 2: could say, well it's because of certain cataclysms or certain
Speaker 2: catastrophes and any other kind of c word or anything,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like it could be one
Speaker 2: of those things. But also I mean, could there be
Speaker 2: a I don't know, is it reptilians that are holding
Speaker 2: this down or something?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What do you think? Like what do you think is
Speaker 2: really old? Like what do you think about that? Like
Speaker 2: let's just let's just go out on a limb and
Speaker 2: say that humans like human like us. I'm not talking
Speaker 2: about like caveman. I'm not talking about Bigfoot or neand thought.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about human humans.
Speaker 4: Homo sapien sapien.
Speaker 2: Yeah, how long do you think the modern human has
Speaker 2: been around? Just hypothetically?
Speaker 7: Oh, I honestly, I have no way of guestimating it
Speaker 7: wouldn't It wouldn't shock me if you were to say
Speaker 7: fifty thousand years. It wouldn't shock me if you were
Speaker 7: to say thirty thousand, twenty thousand. At this point, it's
Speaker 7: kind of like saying how far is a light years?
Speaker 7: It's kind of one of those things that like it's
Speaker 7: a incomprehensible number.
Speaker 4: Realistically, I don't know.
Speaker 6: Would you say there nick they say that you could
Speaker 6: take a two hundred thousand year old at definitely fifty.
Speaker 6: But from what I remember, just from listening to people
Speaker 6: talk about the subject. But from what I understand, you
Speaker 6: could take a two hundred thousand year old human or
Speaker 6: a fifty thousand year old human and shave them up,
Speaker 6: clean them up real nice, and put them in a
Speaker 6: movie here right next to you.
Speaker 5: Union you wouldn't go tell.
Speaker 3: A difference, damn.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So anatomically modern human is I think the term
Speaker 6: that they basically use, and that starts two hundred thousand
Speaker 6: years ago, and that's you know, it's that, and then
Speaker 6: you got Australia Pittacus and you know whatever, caveman grow
Speaker 6: magnon it. There's like a two million years and then
Speaker 6: it's boom, two hundred thousand years ago, like they're what
Speaker 6: we are now out of nowhere.
Speaker 7: And to be honest, I'm saying younger Drives is only
Speaker 7: twelve thousand years ago.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying. It's a lot, don't.
Speaker 7: I don't necessarily think that younger Drafts was what caused
Speaker 7: the human evolution lutionary jump to happen like that. It
Speaker 7: just doesn't really mathematically make sense to me.
Speaker 2: I think that and this is you know whatever, think
Speaker 2: whatever you want about this, but I think, dude, I'm
Speaker 2: looking less and less about the like physical material evidence
Speaker 2: of humanity. I'm actually way more interested in like like
Speaker 2: how did the soul begin? You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: Like if there ever was a beginning, Like how did
Speaker 2: the spark that we are, the spark where we came from?
Speaker 2: Call it God whatever. I know that there's religions, they
Speaker 2: always trying to explain it away. But if we were
Speaker 2: to like take a step away from that, because I mean,
Speaker 2: just think about it, like even just realistically, like if
Speaker 2: we're talking about that humans have been here for two
Speaker 2: hundred thousand years or fifty thousand years or twenty thousand years, Dude,
Speaker 2: the Bible came out in like three point fifty a
Speaker 2: d You know what I'm saying, Like, we gotta go
Speaker 2: way farther back than that.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, no, no no no.
Speaker 4: The Toro was long before the ads.
Speaker 7: No, I'm talking about with the New the first five
Speaker 7: books of the Bible. No, I said, yeah, that came
Speaker 7: after Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Bible.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there's the.
Speaker 4: Old Testament and New Testament of the Bible.
Speaker 2: But even the Old Testament with the tour, what is
Speaker 2: that two thousand years old at most maybe three if
Speaker 2: we're getting crazy.
Speaker 7: So we're gonna get real technical with it. Moses is
Speaker 7: the dude that wrote it down. But I mean the
Speaker 7: oral tour and the Hebrew traditions predated them being enslaved
Speaker 7: in Egypt. So I mean that's that we're talking ancient times.
Speaker 7: And that's the thing. Man. Even when in the Roman
Speaker 7: era most most religions, most people were polytheistic, they had
Speaker 7: multiple gods. The only religion that one of the only
Speaker 7: religions there was them in door Astronism that got a
Speaker 7: pass on that and we're allowed to be basically Royce.
Speaker 4: You got whatever going around, you be allowed, brother.
Speaker 7: But whatever whatever allowed them to be monotheistic and just
Speaker 7: get the pass on it is because they were seen
Speaker 7: as such an ancient religion like Judaism or being Hebrew,
Speaker 7: I should say, wasn't a new age religion to the
Speaker 7: ancient Greeks. They were already predated them the ancient roman
Speaker 7: and they predated them the ancient Babylonians, the ancient Mesopotamens.
Speaker 7: They predated all of that right right, But it was
Speaker 7: passed down tradition, but predating what three thousand years, five
Speaker 7: thousand years.
Speaker 2: We can get real crazy and say ten thousand years.
Speaker 7: No, they wrote it down after they left Egypt and
Speaker 7: the rule of Ramsey's the second. But I mean all
Speaker 7: the traditions that was written down, from the Mosaic law
Speaker 7: and all these things, the oral tradition predated the writings
Speaker 7: of But to your point, yeah, let me see here, Royce,
Speaker 7: I know you're going to chime in on this, and brother,
Speaker 7: go for it.
Speaker 2: When did all that ship summer Rosel don't.
Speaker 7: So?
Speaker 15: I know that the tour, So the tours the Jews
Speaker 15: received the tour from I was signed I right around
Speaker 15: thirty three hundred years ago, the generally accepted the.
Speaker 4: Thirteenth century BC.
Speaker 2: That's what he just said.
Speaker 16: Yeah, and then, DearS understand understanding of and Judaism that's
Speaker 16: mankind how we know.
Speaker 17: It today is roughly six thousand years old from the
Speaker 17: from the creation of Adam. Obviously there are various opinions
Speaker 17: therein because of everybody else.
Speaker 2: Right, So all right, so six thou wait, six thousand
Speaker 2: years ago or six thousand BC.
Speaker 17: Six thousand years ago is when like the Jewish here
Speaker 17: is five thousand, seven hundred and eighty five, So that
Speaker 17: would be that long ago since the creation of Adam.
Speaker 3: Okay, almost six thousand years, So not quite six thousand.
Speaker 2: Years, it's almost six thousand years.
Speaker 4: It's to your point.
Speaker 7: The Torah was written down in the fourteen hundred's BC,
Speaker 7: so to put that into context. Okay, okay, but the
Speaker 7: stories that they wrote down predated that by thousands of years.
Speaker 2: See what I'm saying, there's no way of knowing, Like,
Speaker 2: there's there's no let's just say it predated that by
Speaker 2: thousands of years. Let's just say predated it by two
Speaker 2: thousand years. You're only talking about eight thousand fucking years ago.
Speaker 2: And first, if humans have been around allegedly fifty thousand years, where's.
Speaker 7: All that.
Speaker 3: Is?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean, but that's the thing when we talk
Speaker 7: about Adam being allegedly six thousand years ago, right, we.
Speaker 4: Don't know that for a fact.
Speaker 7: We believe this to a certain degree, but I mean,
Speaker 7: who's to say that that wasn't fifty thousand years ago?
Speaker 7: And there was a huge gap of time where even
Speaker 7: him were in the garden and they before they left
Speaker 7: the garden, before the flood and all these things. Was
Speaker 7: to say the younger Dryat isn't the world flood that
Speaker 7: was being discussed.
Speaker 4: I don't necessarily believe that, but.
Speaker 7: That is a debatable point that I've heard proposed by
Speaker 7: a few people.
Speaker 2: That is an extremely religious theory because religion wants to
Speaker 2: be able to include the history of humanity and understandable.
Speaker 7: I mean what I'm saying, like, first man, take away
Speaker 7: the religiosity of it. First man, let's say that like
Speaker 7: that whole thing I'm in the Garden of Eden. It
Speaker 7: wasn't like they were there for a week and then
Speaker 7: got kicked out. It's possible they were there for a
Speaker 7: few millennia, Like I don't know, I don't know, wasn't
Speaker 7: there right, But as far as that goes where the
Speaker 7: Tigris and the Euphrates meet and the two ancient rivers
Speaker 7: that used to run into those, they've done archaeological digs
Speaker 7: on that and they could see how far back in
Speaker 7: time those rivers existed. So I mean, yeah, we're talking
Speaker 7: thousands and thousands and thousands of years ago for that
Speaker 7: story to even make sense, and it didn't until they
Speaker 7: discovered those ancient river beds. It's not like the people
Speaker 7: of Babylon knew about those ancient rivers. It's not like
Speaker 7: the people of Egypt knew about those ancient rivers.
Speaker 2: This is what I hate though, It's that you have
Speaker 2: to like it's like ancient history is weaved into like
Speaker 2: scriptures and certain things that like you have to take
Speaker 2: on faith, you know what I'm saying. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that. I'm not saying no, that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Every culture kind of has that, and so it's you
Speaker 2: never know what was allegorical what was literal? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying, Like was there actually a dude named Adam?
Speaker 2: Was there actually a chick name Eve? Did they actually
Speaker 2: live in this place on Earth called the Garden of Eden?
Speaker 2: Or was it all allegorical? You know, like how do
Speaker 2: we know?
Speaker 7: We don't know? How about the fact that all of
Speaker 7: our DNA comes from an original pair of humans? That
Speaker 7: alone will tell you that at least the story behind
Speaker 7: it makes more sense than not.
Speaker 2: Well surely, yeah, I mean what could be the other way.
Speaker 7: The whole thing? What came first chicken or the egg?
Speaker 7: Like the chicken obviously had to have come first to
Speaker 7: lay the egg. You backtrack all of human DNA. It
Speaker 7: goes back to one male and one woman parent. That's
Speaker 7: just the way math.
Speaker 2: Works, right right, sure, I mean, but what would be
Speaker 2: the arguing thing about that, Like, how would you even
Speaker 2: argue that?
Speaker 4: No, No, that's my point. Like the story again, name
Speaker 4: of whatever you want.
Speaker 7: It could be any man and any woman that was
Speaker 7: the original human being pair on Earth. Yeah, all a
Speaker 7: stem from them, fucking like, that's how that works. So
Speaker 7: the story of Adam and Eve, Yeah, you could say
Speaker 7: it's allegorical, but is there that basis of truth within it? Yeah?
Speaker 4: One hundred percent. The world flood.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we're talking about God making it rain for forty
Speaker 7: days and forty knights and if flood and the whole earth.
Speaker 7: Call that the reason or call it the story that
Speaker 7: the Gilgamesh said, or the story that every single culture
Speaker 7: throughout Earth has said as far as there being a
Speaker 7: global flood, Like, okay, are we getting lost in the
Speaker 7: conversation of whether God made that happen or not or
Speaker 7: the fact that everyone agrees it was a global flood?
Speaker 7: You see what I'm saying. There's while you do have
Speaker 7: to look at things with a certain I don't even
Speaker 7: want to use the term spiritual lens.
Speaker 4: But you do have the cultural lens.
Speaker 7: That everybody has as far as their creation story and
Speaker 7: how their tribes came to be and all these things.
Speaker 7: When you backtrack it far enough, there's a reason for
Speaker 7: all the do you can matter of fact, as a
Speaker 7: micro calls them with the Native American culture that you
Speaker 7: can see as far as linguistics and how this tribe
Speaker 7: has is a member of like this linguistic family. This
Speaker 7: tribe has this linguistic family that it's part of all
Speaker 7: these things.
Speaker 4: And then you look back at the creation story of
Speaker 4: this tribe.
Speaker 7: They may not say that they came from out west,
Speaker 7: but they'll say that their ancestors came on a trip
Speaker 7: from the Great River. And then if you go to
Speaker 7: where that great river was, we've now called it the
Speaker 7: Mississippi River, the tribe that's local to there says that
Speaker 7: their ancestors came from what we now call Arizona, and
Speaker 7: their ancestors came for what we now call Canada. And like,
Speaker 7: when you backtrack it far enough, you could see how
Speaker 7: these linguistic patterns make their way across the continent, and
Speaker 7: it makes sense their creation story. Their ancestors didn't walk
Speaker 7: out of the Mississippi River. But they were on a
Speaker 7: journey from that area right to everybody from they say
Speaker 7: they came from like the whatever, not all of them,
Speaker 7: some do, some absolutely do. Some the chalk Taw believe
Speaker 7: that they walked out of the earth from the Great
Speaker 7: Mound in Louisiana.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 7: There's stuff like that, for sure. But then when you
Speaker 7: go to that local area and you see what their
Speaker 7: local customs say, and you follow the linguistic patterns, but
Speaker 7: you also got to keep them on. The Mississippian language
Speaker 7: group is also an isolate in and of itself, But
Speaker 7: that's talk for another day. My point is everybody's creation story,
Speaker 7: if you go back to it and look at it
Speaker 7: through an anthropological lens, it makes sense why that story
Speaker 7: was the way that it was to tell them the
Speaker 7: story of their people.
Speaker 4: So, yeah, there's you have to.
Speaker 7: Look at it through, yes, a bit of a spiritual
Speaker 7: lens sometimes, But I feel like there's also more to
Speaker 7: the story than what's being described in the oral traditions
Speaker 7: from time to time, and it's only through a certain
Speaker 7: perspective that we're able to look deeper and fine what
Speaker 7: that meaning is.
Speaker 2: Right, And I think that my problem is is that,
Speaker 2: you know, if we're if we're talking about now and
Speaker 2: we're trying to show the history of something we don't
Speaker 2: we don't just put it into a religious book. Like
Speaker 2: there's history books, there's there's theologians, and there's history like
Speaker 2: experts and stuff like that some people are more knowledgeable,
Speaker 2: some people disagree, but there's usually something that most people
Speaker 2: can get behind, and there's somewhat of a proof behind that.
Speaker 2: How did they come up on this evidence, like, you know,
Speaker 2: how how scientifically or anthro anthropologically or whatever the fuck?
Speaker 2: You know, like, how did they find this evidence that
Speaker 2: led them to this?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 2: And now it's based upon you know, the history books
Speaker 2: and less so on the religious books. And that's where
Speaker 2: I have a problem because and I'm not saying that
Speaker 2: the entire world agrees on our history, like the history
Speaker 2: has always been written by the victors, And the same
Speaker 2: thing goes for religion. In my opinion, that everybody has
Speaker 2: a different beginning of how humanity was created, where we
Speaker 2: came from, and all that stuff, all throughout all the
Speaker 2: different religious books, and some of them agree. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that everybody has their own individual thought on it,
Speaker 2: but there are a thousand different ways that you can
Speaker 2: look at about how humanity and the soul was created,
Speaker 2: and at that point you just got to take it
Speaker 2: on faith. And I have a problem with that because, Kude,
Speaker 2: we don't know where the fuck we came from. Bro, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't know where we came from.
Speaker 7: But that's when I went through my season of doubt
Speaker 7: and I started digging into every single religion that could
Speaker 7: get my hands on. The creation story was kind of
Speaker 7: a big one for me. Right, some of these things
Speaker 7: at least hold some sort of water and some sort
Speaker 7: of scrutiny with science and what we understand to be true.
Speaker 7: Some of them absolutely make no sense whatsoever. I looked
Speaker 7: into Hinduism, and they believe that the world is being
Speaker 7: held up by three elephant trunks and you're born into
Speaker 7: a certain cast system and you'll never leave that cast
Speaker 7: system for the entirety of your life, and like there's
Speaker 7: a reason for that.
Speaker 4: I'm like, hmm, I disagree with this. Okay. You can
Speaker 4: look at the Nordics.
Speaker 7: They have a very it's a cool creation story, but
Speaker 7: it doesn't hold weight as far as what we can
Speaker 7: scientifically prove to be true. There's religions that they're ancient
Speaker 7: stories now that we have more science to back things up,
Speaker 7: make no sense whatsoever. And there are some that make
Speaker 7: more sense than it doesn't.
Speaker 2: Sure that led me back, but even the story of
Speaker 2: Moses is ridiculous.
Speaker 7: A fucking guy lived nine hundred years old? Oh is
Speaker 7: it nine hundred years old? There's tons of stories from
Speaker 7: back in the day. The Samerian king scroll story tell
Speaker 7: you that this dude reigned for thirty six thousand years
Speaker 7: and it's raining down and then you could see the
Speaker 7: progression between him his son, that dude's son, that dude's son,
Speaker 7: and then went from living thousands of years to living
Speaker 7: only one hundred years.
Speaker 4: And yeah, it's that's a thing.
Speaker 7: It's it's talked about by multiple sources, not just the Bible.
Speaker 2: I'm aware, but I'm saying these are myths, these are stories.
Speaker 2: These are not van You can't prove where where's the
Speaker 2: proof of nine hundred year old bones?
Speaker 7: Where are those at up too? There were thousands of
Speaker 7: years ago? They're dust.
Speaker 2: Now where's the dental records?
Speaker 7: The teeth would also be dust too, Bro, We're talking
Speaker 7: about pre work, like the very beginning of recorded history. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's understood that the same way. And
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to say that. You know, clearly giants
Speaker 7: were real here, but how many different giant skeleton bones
Speaker 7: they have to find and how many times around? It's
Speaker 7: same as dragons being real or vampires or whatever else
Speaker 7: you want to call it.
Speaker 4: Shape shifters.
Speaker 7: All of these cultures that never met each other all
Speaker 7: have stories about these exact same beings and beasts and
Speaker 7: all this stuff. To me, that tells me it's clearly
Speaker 7: got to have a kernel of truth. Otherwise they wouldn't
Speaker 7: all be talking about the exact same thing. Maybe, and
Speaker 7: all of them can talk about these men of old
Speaker 7: and these men of renown, and these these dudes that
Speaker 7: were living upwards of a thousand or more years like,
Speaker 7: so all of them have a story that backgrounds to that,
Speaker 7: Like okay, sounds like there's more truth to than fantasy
Speaker 7: to this.
Speaker 2: Or there were people that traveled from place to place
Speaker 2: telling this this this ancient story that they can you know,
Speaker 2: include within their rolodex or within their history or within Dude,
Speaker 2: this has happened so many times.
Speaker 7: You have global travel and the ancients, dude, dude, what
Speaker 7: they absolutely I mean not have global travel in the
Speaker 7: ancient times.
Speaker 2: I mean, how what do you mean know that ancient
Speaker 2: can mean anything?
Speaker 7: Okay, ten thousand years ago, they didn't have dudes that
Speaker 7: were making global trips.
Speaker 4: How do you know that? Not to our knowledge?
Speaker 7: Yeah, global migrations maybe, But like that's the thing we're
Speaker 7: talking generation after generation of oral tradition passed down. There's
Speaker 7: there's no record of a dude from what we would
Speaker 7: now call India making his way to what we would
Speaker 7: now call Argentina ten thousand years ago.
Speaker 4: So there's no evidence to suggest that.
Speaker 2: So every continent just somehow new to build the same
Speaker 2: exact structure of a pyramid that god.
Speaker 7: You we're talking Okay, we're talking about the perfection of
Speaker 7: the pile.
Speaker 4: That's what a pyramid is. Like, how could they have
Speaker 4: known to do this? You mean stacking one less on
Speaker 4: each you know level? Why not?
Speaker 2: Why not a square? Why not a rectangle? Why not
Speaker 2: any other shape?
Speaker 7: Because pyramids easier to make, easier to make to construct
Speaker 7: than a giant cube? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Uh, Nick, go ahead, sir? What are your thoughts on this?
Speaker 7: Am I crazy?
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I'm some people might be looking
Speaker 2: at me like I'm crazy for questioning the beginning of
Speaker 2: humanity and us having to put faith in this history
Speaker 2: based upon religion of mythological stories, Like I feel like
Speaker 2: that's crazy to me. But anyway, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 6: Well, I think on the Pyramids, I mean I agree
Speaker 6: on the pyramids, of course.
Speaker 5: With you on that one.
Speaker 6: But the uh, the the artwork of the they call them,
Speaker 6: the genies or whatever, the winged beings with the pine
Speaker 6: cones or whatever those are, I think way more evidence
Speaker 6: of like try traveling uh, you know, across continents I
Speaker 6: mean at least like four to five thousand years ago,
Speaker 6: I think in the South America. But one thing that
Speaker 6: I wanted to bring up was, I don't know if
Speaker 6: you've seen Jacob or Jonathan the dimensions of the so
Speaker 6: you know how there's like flood stories and arcs and
Speaker 6: whatnot in like older Sumerian and Babylonian.
Speaker 5: Texts and whatnot.
Speaker 6: Right, the U in the oltra Ha Sis and the
Speaker 6: what is the other one the epic of Gilgamesh, Zia
Speaker 6: Soudra and the outra hasis the dimensions of the the arc.
Speaker 6: There's a character in these stories where there's you know,
Speaker 6: somebody tells the Noah character to build a build some
Speaker 6: sort of boat or whatever.
Speaker 5: And in the.
Speaker 6: The Babylonian one it's forty one let's see, thirty eighty
Speaker 6: seven and fifty square feet, and then the Epic of
Speaker 6: Gilgamesh ARC is forty four thousand, one hundred square feet.
Speaker 6: And then the Biblical arc, based on the dimensions that
Speaker 6: are provided in each one of these texts and in
Speaker 6: the Bible based on based on cubits, is forty one
Speaker 6: one hundred square feet. So the exact square feet of
Speaker 6: the Biblical arc is the same square footage to the
Speaker 6: t of the Epic of Gilgamesh ARC. So the idea
Speaker 6: that like the Epic of Gilgamesh is much older and
Speaker 6: they have the exact same arc story and even kept
Speaker 6: the dimensions of the boat that they were.
Speaker 5: The same within. I mean that one was the ones
Speaker 5: with like a thousand square feet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, pretty interesting.
Speaker 4: That is interesting.
Speaker 2: So it's not just as simple as building a pile
Speaker 2: of fucking rocks.
Speaker 5: And they're older.
Speaker 7: No, no, no, but the perfection of the pile, which
Speaker 7: is a pyramid.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't take.
Speaker 7: I mean, I've watched a three year old with blocks
Speaker 7: make a pyramid accidentally, Bro, that's not that's not like
Speaker 7: crazy to like.
Speaker 2: Perfect dimensions and shit and point it up directly at
Speaker 2: stars that you know could possibly have been channeling information or.
Speaker 7: Something you know. Like no, No, I'm saying, like the
Speaker 7: alignment is impressive, and I'm not trying to to belittle
Speaker 7: how impressive it is that these massive structures are built
Speaker 7: of sure, for sure, but also aside from the great
Speaker 7: pyramids at Giza and then there's other pyramids that also
Speaker 7: have their own like specific architecture and specific sacred geometry
Speaker 7: that was using them. I'm not saying that it wasn't
Speaker 7: that way. But how did all these people know to
Speaker 7: do this? Because they like, of course they did, Like no, shit,
Speaker 7: I absolutely just but to the point about the whole
Speaker 7: arc in Gilgamesh thing, I wouldn't say that the story
Speaker 7: of knowing the story of Gilgamesh is like a one
Speaker 7: to one comparison the entirety of the epic of Gilgamesh.
Speaker 7: The flood story in the boat is a comparison, but
Speaker 7: the entire rest of the story is completely different from
Speaker 7: anything from the Bible.
Speaker 2: Honestly, dimensions, It's one of those things I was saying
Speaker 2: that the dimensions are the same though from what he
Speaker 2: was saying, which is either like a massive coincidence, which
Speaker 2: I mean, of all numbers in the world, you get
Speaker 2: the same, you know what I mean, Like, that's kind
Speaker 2: of strange.
Speaker 4: But I don't think it's a coincidence.
Speaker 2: So how did it happen?
Speaker 4: I believe and this.
Speaker 7: Is just me with my own bias, right, I believe
Speaker 7: the story of Noah kind of made its way around
Speaker 7: the world and people started adapting it to their own
Speaker 7: stories and their own myths, and that's how.
Speaker 4: It ended up in the Epic of Gilgamesh.
Speaker 7: The Epic of Gilgamesh quote unquote might predate Noah, but
Speaker 7: by that we're saying that the clay tablets that it
Speaker 7: was etched on predates the first writing of the Torah,
Speaker 7: the oral tradition predates the writings on the clay tablets.
Speaker 4: Though that's again just my personal life.
Speaker 3: So you're also challenging the timeline of the Bible.
Speaker 7: At that point essentially, Yeah, yeah, you're doing that.
Speaker 4: Oh I am, Yeah you are, because how do you.
Speaker 9: Mean because that was found thousands of years before the
Speaker 9: actual timeline of the Bible happened.
Speaker 7: Well, the Bible, no, the writing of the Bible isn't
Speaker 7: when these things took place, Moses write the Book of Genesis.
Speaker 7: Moses wasn't there when Adam and Eve were in the
Speaker 7: garden of Eden. He wrote about it. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: There was a gap of time where nothing was written down.
Speaker 9: Okay, there was, there was, and it doesn't line up
Speaker 9: with what you're saying.
Speaker 7: And but this can this can plain?
Speaker 2: Go ahead?
Speaker 3: All right, yehead, I'll use Jacob.
Speaker 4: Oh you no, no, I'm asking explain what you mean
Speaker 4: by this.
Speaker 9: So what you're arguing is your your your fight is
Speaker 9: or your words are leaning towards I'm not going to
Speaker 9: you know, but when you're I'm just asking, no, no, no,
Speaker 9: I'm just saying, it's like what your statements on a
Speaker 9: Bible from now until then? Right, we'll get a long
Speaker 9: time so far, terribly true. But what you're saying is
Speaker 9: based on the timeline of the Bible. It's completely accurate.
Speaker 9: It might not be.
Speaker 7: Well, and that's what you know.
Speaker 2: What Jacob's trying to say is is that the Bible
Speaker 2: was not written at the time that these events occurred.
Speaker 2: That it was, it was carried on orally for god
Speaker 2: knows how long. And so that's maybe how the stories
Speaker 2: could possibly be aligned, aligning because it was carried on
Speaker 2: via oral tradition and and that could be seen as
Speaker 2: a potential cop out. Or maybe it's true. There's no
Speaker 2: way of knowing. That's the problem. There's no way of
Speaker 2: knowing this ship.
Speaker 3: There's no time stamps on anything.
Speaker 2: Right, right, And dude, do you think that they were
Speaker 2: living in the year negative five hundred? You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying? Like they didn't call it?
Speaker 7: No, no, no, no, Look at this. The epic, the Epic
Speaker 7: of Gilgames, spans for a period of around two and
Speaker 7: fifty BC to fourteen hundred BC. Okay, the story of
Speaker 7: Noah traditionally is dated to around twenty three hundred BC.
Speaker 3: But to argue the shape.
Speaker 4: Noah or twenty one hundred for wait, do I know?
Speaker 9: To argue the point that the pyramids are not like
Speaker 9: that's a weird thing, well no.
Speaker 7: Actually it's impressive, but it actually has it doesn't shock me,
Speaker 7: all right.
Speaker 2: So the argument was, is that explain how people on
Speaker 2: different continents, in different countries and different communities were all
Speaker 2: building the same exact shit if they weren't able to
Speaker 2: communicate with each other because there was large bodies of
Speaker 2: water in between. And Jacob's point was, well, it's easy
Speaker 2: to be able to build a fucking pile of rocks.
Speaker 3: Which it's not with the alignment.
Speaker 2: But but I have some other stuff. I just did
Speaker 2: a little research and just in regards to so how
Speaker 2: we would know that the ancient peoples were absolutely going
Speaker 2: from one body of land to another, like long before anciently. Right,
Speaker 2: So there's this thing called the Cocoa pel petroglyphs in
Speaker 2: the Polynesian chicken DNA, right, which is you know, that's
Speaker 2: how you would trace back something. If you're looking for history,
Speaker 2: you look for it in the DNA, right, DNA are
Speaker 2: gonna lie. It's literally codd And so this was around
Speaker 2: twelve hundred BC. And it says chicken bones found in
Speaker 2: Chili genetically match Polynesian chickens, not European ones. Chickens are
Speaker 2: not native to the Americas and would have had to
Speaker 2: have been brought by humans. That's twelve hundred BC. That's
Speaker 2: a long ass fucking time ago, okay, And that's not ancient.
Speaker 7: Polynesians are famous. The Polonese are famous seafaring people, and
Speaker 7: none of them built pyramids. So all right, So people
Speaker 7: were traversing waters. Oh yeah, no, they had they were
Speaker 7: sailing waters. Yeah.
Speaker 4: But again I'm not saying that like somebody in.
Speaker 7: Egypt got on a boat and was getting this information
Speaker 7: to the Aztecs, who also built pyramids. Why would I
Speaker 7: have not. That's there's no record of that ever happening. Well,
Speaker 7: here's an indication of that happening. Get into meso America
Speaker 7: with the Omec heads. All right, so this dates back
Speaker 7: also twelve hundred BC. The uh, the colossal basalt heads
Speaker 7: carved by the Omec civilization have facial features that some
Speaker 7: argue resemble African or even Polynesian people. This is considered
Speaker 7: speculation without solid genetic or material proof of African presence,
Speaker 7: but it suggests that possibly African or trans Pacific visitors
Speaker 7: to the Americas was long before Columbus. So there's okay,
Speaker 7: and I'll give you that as well. The African features.
Speaker 7: You know, the trade winds and the water currents. If
Speaker 7: you were to put in a boat on the westernmost
Speaker 7: coast of Africa and get past the current, dude, you'll
Speaker 7: accidentally hit South America.
Speaker 4: I'm with you one hundred percent on that.
Speaker 7: But most of sub Saharan Africa didn't know that Egypt
Speaker 7: had built pyramids because Egypt is up above.
Speaker 4: The Saharan desert.
Speaker 7: Like it's it's we're talking too completely different cultures. Just
Speaker 7: because they're on the same continent doesn't mean that they're
Speaker 7: the same. People say, less, I got another one. How
Speaker 7: about cocaine and tobacco were found in Egyptian mummies.
Speaker 2: That's kind of crazy. Cocaine and tobacco were found in
Speaker 2: Egyptian mummies. So this dates back at least to one
Speaker 2: thousand BC, and they don't know how much you know
Speaker 2: earlier than that, but at least then it says traces
Speaker 2: of cocaine and nicotine plants, plants that are only native
Speaker 2: to the Americas, were reportedly found in Egyptian mummies. Some
Speaker 2: say contamination, some say it suggests pre Columbian trade or contact.
Speaker 2: And it could suggest ancient transatlantic exchange far earlier than accepted.
Speaker 2: So what's that.
Speaker 7: So that explains trade or does it explain that certain
Speaker 7: plants grow really well naturally around the equal later all
Speaker 7: over the world.
Speaker 4: That makes sense to me.
Speaker 7: I mean, there are certain areas of the world where
Speaker 7: tobacco just naturally happens. Same thing about terraform, terraforming. Explain
Speaker 7: what you mean by this, sir.
Speaker 9: So they actually and this was down in the Amazon,
Speaker 9: they actually created areas. And this is now proven by
Speaker 9: Lada that there is terraforming, and so terraforming is creating
Speaker 9: shapes and places where water can flow through and grow agriculture.
Speaker 9: There is an actual proof of people knowing land before
Speaker 9: then there is a chance. I'm not saying it's true.
Speaker 9: I don't know, you know, ends up, don't shoot you know,
Speaker 9: just man, don't do it, Okay, that there is actual
Speaker 9: facts that there is an actual science back in the
Speaker 9: day when cocaine could have been taken from one place
Speaker 9: to another. I'm not saying it couldn't couldn't be a
Speaker 9: dab little influence from a guy crawling through a grave,
Speaker 9: a cave, a cave like you know what I mean,
Speaker 9: Like that could happen here.
Speaker 2: Let me let me blow your mind one more again, dude,
Speaker 2: This one actually goes way the fuck back. But as
Speaker 2: far as you ever heard of the Topper site in
Speaker 2: South Carolina, shout out to Jamie over there, the Topper site.
Speaker 2: It says, uh, well, actually I can pull it up.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna share the screen here a second, because this
Speaker 2: one goes back fifty thousand fucking years.
Speaker 4: Dude, this is the piece of chirt that originated in Europe.
Speaker 2: I don't know what it looks like. I guess is
Speaker 2: this it right here? Something along? This is where the
Speaker 2: archaeological site is. Ummm anyway, so oh, yeah, you have
Speaker 2: the whole, the whole Clovis idea about that's whenever humanity
Speaker 2: or that's as far back. Yeah he starts back, but
Speaker 2: that's when.
Speaker 4: We talk about this on an episode.
Speaker 7: But they found a piece of chart or rock that
Speaker 7: was into an arrowhead that actually it's rock originated in
Speaker 7: Europe or some shit like that, and it makes back
Speaker 7: thousands of years and how the fuck did it end
Speaker 7: up in the Carolina But.
Speaker 2: That was only thirteen thousand years ago. What this is
Speaker 2: suggesting the Topper Site, It says the Topper Site in
Speaker 2: South Carolina is an archaeological location along the Savannah River
Speaker 2: known for artifacts that suggest human habitation in the Americas
Speaker 2: as far back as fifty thousand years ago, challenging the
Speaker 2: previously held belief that the Clovis culture was the first
Speaker 2: at around thirteen thousand years ago. Excavations have revealed significant
Speaker 2: findings including tools and evidence of early human activity fifty
Speaker 2: thousand years ago in good old America. Right.
Speaker 7: I believe that one hundred percent, dude. And it says,
Speaker 7: what does that have to do with anything we're talking about.
Speaker 2: Well, what it has to do. It says, from what
Speaker 2: I found on my phone, it says human presence in
Speaker 2: North America possibly dating back fifty thousand years, way earlier
Speaker 2: than the bearing straight theory allows. So yeah, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. Like, and sure, maybe that's not talking
Speaker 2: about people going from one land to another, but just
Speaker 2: as far as humanity, proof that humanity was here least
Speaker 2: fifty thousand years ago, it's pretty fucking crazy, dude.
Speaker 4: Oh, I of one hundred percent agree with this.
Speaker 7: Keep in mind, I just said the story of Noah
Speaker 7: is two hundred years before the story of Gilgamesh, as
Speaker 7: per the quote unquote tradition allows. We have no idea
Speaker 7: the actual year of which it took place. Okay, that's
Speaker 7: a guestimation, but people living in North America one hundred
Speaker 7: thousand years ago. This makes perfect sense to me. But
Speaker 7: you have I'm gonna have a hard time wrapping my
Speaker 7: head around. Oh, the dudes that built the pyramids under
Speaker 7: the time of Ramses the Second, somehow made their way
Speaker 7: to North America to give the Indige population this sacred
Speaker 7: knowledge to build us pyramid in this area as well.
Speaker 4: It's like, I don't see that.
Speaker 7: I think that most people had their own building techniques,
Speaker 7: and it's not like everybody was living.
Speaker 4: In mud huts all over the world.
Speaker 7: Certain people thrived in certain environments, certain people didn't. You know,
Speaker 7: the guys that dug the Petra Temple clearly came and
Speaker 7: talked to the Pueblo Indians that were living in the
Speaker 7: sides of the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 4: And we know that because they both callowed out caves
Speaker 4: for themselves.
Speaker 7: It's like, that's not exactly a fair comparison. I'm pretty
Speaker 7: sure they all kind of figured that out independently.
Speaker 2: So, just going off of what the experts, the theologians
Speaker 2: and Biblical historians have to say about Noah and Adam,
Speaker 2: let's just talk about this because if that's true, that
Speaker 2: site in North Carolina dating back fifty thousand years of
Speaker 2: proof of human civilization in the Americas fifty thousand years ago,
Speaker 2: that is a long ass time ago. So if we
Speaker 2: go to the experts on Bible and just theology in general.
Speaker 2: From what they say is is that Noah, in real
Speaker 2: historic time, using the genealogies from the Bible, especially the
Speaker 2: Mazaratic text which is used in most modern Bibles, Noah
Speaker 2: was born what they allege two nine and forty eight BC. Okay,
Speaker 2: so twenty nine hundred BC. Let's just say that the
Speaker 2: flood would have then occurred at twenty three hundred something
Speaker 2: odd BC. And then you have Adam. Right, So what
Speaker 2: they suggest is that Adam was born or created or
Speaker 2: whatever at the year four thousand and four b C.
Speaker 2: Four thousand okay, So if we're trying to figure out
Speaker 2: what is our actual historical creation story as far as
Speaker 2: humanity goes, I'm not talking about this. So humanity goes
Speaker 2: and Adam from what they say was four thousand BC,
Speaker 2: and then you got fifty thousand fucking BC proof of humanity.
Speaker 2: It's like, I'm.
Speaker 4: Sorry, only that Adam was the first man ever created.
Speaker 7: I'm sorry. Is that what we're thinking? No, Adam was
Speaker 7: not the first human being ever created. God created mankind
Speaker 7: and then later created Adam in the garden separate.
Speaker 4: That's the whole conversation. We all are to descendants.
Speaker 7: Of Adam because Adam's descendants were on the boat and
Speaker 7: if if if big ifs, all of the earth was
Speaker 7: wiped out except for the inhabitants of that boat. We
Speaker 7: are all descendants from the inbreeding that took place to
Speaker 7: repopulate the world off of that boat. So it's yeah, no,
Speaker 7: we're talking a completely different conversation. There was other human
Speaker 7: beings before Adam walked the earth. Brother, I thought that
Speaker 7: was understood. My bad.
Speaker 2: All right, well, I mean, and just going off of
Speaker 2: what you're saying, because there's not going to be a
Speaker 2: lot of religious people that would agree with what you
Speaker 2: have to say, because a lot of people with the
Speaker 2: Book of Genesis, that's not my argument. Well, and a
Speaker 2: lot of people would actually have to say that. You know,
Speaker 2: whenever you think back, you know, to you know, when
Speaker 2: was the first man? When was the first woman? You
Speaker 2: actually just got them saying that that that we all
Speaker 2: came from two people, right, like we all came from
Speaker 2: and then you said Adam and Eve, And it's like,
Speaker 2: all right, well, now you're saying that there were way,
Speaker 2: you know, humanity, way before them. So I'm trying to
Speaker 2: figure out what the real story is.
Speaker 4: But okay, so wait, we're where did.
Speaker 7: I lose you here?
Speaker 4: I'm sorry? Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on.
Speaker 7: God populated the earth or the Creator or the divine being,
Speaker 7: say what you want, populated the earth, right, then wipe
Speaker 7: them all out save for Noah and his family and
Speaker 7: the one other family that was on the boat with them.
Speaker 7: Those were the descendants of Adam. So to say that
Speaker 7: we all are descendants of Adam is what I meant
Speaker 7: by that. That's not to say that all of human
Speaker 7: creation ever, ever, ever, there was thousands of people here
Speaker 7: before Adam. Like, that's that's understood. So that is where
Speaker 7: we're talking about the fifty thousand years, one hundred thousand years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, absolutely, And this is where you start
Speaker 2: getting into like giants but but no, well maybe, but
Speaker 2: this is where you start getting into how are you
Speaker 2: interpreting the Bible? Because there is a literal way, which
Speaker 2: a lot of people do take. Some people take it literal,
Speaker 2: some people take it allegorical. Some people take it both ways. Right,
Speaker 2: so the literalist Christian view, both accounts refer to the
Speaker 2: same creation event, just told in different ways. Adam and
Speaker 2: Eve are the first humans ever created. If your take,
Speaker 2: if you were to take it literally. That is how
Speaker 2: they perceive it literally. Okay, then you have the idea
Speaker 2: of what the gap theory is, which is a Christian
Speaker 2: alternative view, which is Genesis one one to Genesis one
Speaker 2: two that describes an earlier world destroyed by judgment. Humanity
Speaker 2: was created in Genesis one is pre adomic, so Adam
Speaker 2: and Eve were created after the gap in time to
Speaker 2: repopulate a ruined earth. There's that. Then there's the preodomic
Speaker 2: race theory some theologians is some theologians and esoteric thinkers
Speaker 2: suggest that the beings created in Genesis one were non
Speaker 2: sold humans or earlier races sometimes linked to Neanderthals or
Speaker 2: ancient civilizations, and that Adam was the first human with
Speaker 2: a divine spark, a consciousness or a soul. And then
Speaker 2: there's obviously the the kabbalistic and gnostic view, which we're
Speaker 2: not going to get into here. And so that's what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, Like what, there's a million ways to be
Speaker 2: able to perceive this information. That's that's the problem. And
Speaker 2: I'm not even saying that the alternative I'm not even
Speaker 2: saying that if they should Branny by any means, I'm
Speaker 2: just saying, not everybody agrees on it, even in the
Speaker 2: one religion.
Speaker 7: The alternative theory here Adam and Eve's sons had wives,
Speaker 7: they went and married somebody, and it wasn't their sisters.
Speaker 7: This would indicate that there were people here prior to
Speaker 7: Adam and Eve. In the garden itself is when God
Speaker 7: created Adam, who would be the father of humanity because
Speaker 7: of the flood to come.
Speaker 2: This is my point, no, I said, and I agree
Speaker 2: with you fully that there absolutely had to if the
Speaker 2: Adam and Eve's story is to be taken literally, that
Speaker 2: there actually were people that God created the whole rib
Speaker 2: from Adam to create Eve and that whole story because
Speaker 2: and we know this because whenever Cain got thrown out,
Speaker 2: he said, no, don't put me out there with those
Speaker 2: other people, right, And so that's where people are like, well, yeah,
Speaker 2: then there had to have been some sort of people
Speaker 2: before Adam and Eve if he's worried about getting thrown out,
Speaker 2: you know, out of the circle or out of the
Speaker 2: community or whatever for those other people. So and that's
Speaker 2: but that's the problem because now we're talking about all right,
Speaker 2: so now we have non sold humans and then sold humans,
Speaker 2: and it's like, which one do we come from and
Speaker 2: which you know? If you think about it, if we
Speaker 2: all came from one race, then how are their black people,
Speaker 2: how are their Chinese people? How are there you know,
Speaker 2: Latino people? Like, how the fuck did that happen in
Speaker 2: the first place? We all came from Outam an Eve.
Speaker 7: Years of adaptation, Yeah, years of adaptation and change over time.
Speaker 4: The truth of human evolution, not that we came from monkeys.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, and Outam again, and Adam and Eve were
Speaker 2: four thousand years ago. So you're saying that happens in
Speaker 2: six thousand years do we get all these different races,
Speaker 2: even though we can look back that there were absolutely
Speaker 2: white people and black people and Asian people and Hispanic
Speaker 2: people at least three thousand years ago.
Speaker 7: So now you're saying that over the course of three
Speaker 7: being four thousand BC, that's that's kind of a preposterous
Speaker 7: statement to me personal The scholars say, again, I'm not
Speaker 7: some scholar myself, and it's just if you look at
Speaker 7: it for what it is, the ancient river beds that
Speaker 7: were running to the Garden of Eden allegedly, if it
Speaker 7: is that place pre date four thousand BC by quite
Speaker 7: a few millennia.
Speaker 4: So that's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: The oral traditions that got passed down and then written
Speaker 7: down in a later date don't exactly line up with that.
Speaker 7: That's just my interpretation.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Now I could be so wrong on all of this, dude,
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: But all right, So how far back if you had
Speaker 2: to guess? Were there are multiple races known to Earth?
Speaker 2: If you had just had to guess, I like multiple races?
Speaker 2: We're talking about three thousand BC, five thousand BC, ten
Speaker 2: thousand BC. What are we talking about before? Because at
Speaker 2: what point did it all come down to one race
Speaker 2: where it all started? How did like when did that
Speaker 2: happen to where humanity started to evolve? The DNA sequence
Speaker 2: started to change, there started to be proliferations within how
Speaker 2: everybody was mating, and maybe there was a lot of
Speaker 2: insect which caused this, you know what I mean? Like,
Speaker 2: what what do you think?
Speaker 11: Like?
Speaker 2: How far back do multiple races go?
Speaker 7: This is the And I could be wrong on this
Speaker 7: argument as well, but this would be like saying, well,
Speaker 7: how far back do we have different species of animals
Speaker 7: that look completely different based off of what biome they
Speaker 7: live in? Why do Indonesian elephants look completely different than
Speaker 7: African elephants?
Speaker 4: When did that split happen? It's like, bro, who fucking knows?
Speaker 7: I mean, it wouldn't shock me to say that fifty
Speaker 7: thousand years ago we had different tribes and cultures of humanity,
Speaker 7: Roman the Earth one hundred thousand years ago. Yeah, like
Speaker 7: when the first When did the first white guy happen?
Speaker 4: When did the first black guy happen?
Speaker 7: When did the first uh, you know, somebody who we
Speaker 7: would now call Japanese guy happen?
Speaker 4: I mean, fuck hives, there is no way of knowing.
Speaker 2: That, right, But don't you think that that's some kind
Speaker 2: of breadcrumb to finding out when the first people were
Speaker 2: actually created? Because the first people?
Speaker 4: I mean, yes, I would agree with the first people.
Speaker 2: I mean, if we're talking about let's just say that
Speaker 2: we all came from Adam and Eve. Let's just say that.
Speaker 2: Let's just say the pathetically, the the the the ancient
Speaker 2: civilizations of people, they all got wiped out because they
Speaker 2: didn't have a soul and that's why God sent you
Speaker 2: know whatever, like whatever story you want to go with.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying, like, let's just say we all stem
Speaker 2: from Adam and Eve. And let's also just say that
Speaker 2: because Eve was literally created from Adam, let's just hypothetically
Speaker 2: say that they were the same race. Let's just let's
Speaker 2: just throw that out there.
Speaker 7: Makes the most sense.
Speaker 2: I mean, you're not going to pull a rib and
Speaker 2: create a Chinese person if home he's black. I'm just
Speaker 2: just hypothetically here. It's probably not gonna happen, right, I'm
Speaker 2: with you. So that's where I'm trying to figure out.
Speaker 2: And I'm not even trying to I'm not even trying
Speaker 2: to sit here and like say that what you believe
Speaker 2: is I'm not going there. I'm not saying that what
Speaker 2: you believe is.
Speaker 7: No, that's trying to trip me up.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to understand what you're asking though.
Speaker 2: No, what I'm trying to say is is that where
Speaker 2: did it all start? Because clearly religion doesn't have all
Speaker 2: the answers and if if in religion is the oldest
Speaker 2: historical documents that we have as far as history goes,
Speaker 2: right allegedly m hm, and so we don't know, we
Speaker 2: don't know our beginnings. That's my whole point.
Speaker 7: I believe that the religion is supposed to answer the
Speaker 7: question as to the why and not necessarily the question
Speaker 7: asked to the how.
Speaker 2: That's just my two cents. I mean, they gave us
Speaker 2: and like I said, huh, they gave us a lot
Speaker 2: of how allegedly.
Speaker 7: They gave us some how. They gave us the basic
Speaker 7: overarching themes. They didn't give us all the breakdowns of
Speaker 7: all these things. It's more of the why, and that's
Speaker 7: what's important that we're supposed to apply. That's what It's
Speaker 7: not like the Uh, it's not like the Book of
Speaker 7: Genesis is a scientific journal by any means like it. No,
Speaker 7: it kind of tells a story to teach you about
Speaker 7: why things happen in the way that it did. Aren't
Speaker 7: if you do believe that to be true.
Speaker 2: Aren't you the first person to say that the Old
Speaker 2: Testament you look at as a historical document. You've said that.
Speaker 7: I'm not the first person to say that, ship No, no, no,
Speaker 7: you're the first document I'm.
Speaker 2: Saying to on this show. You're the first person. Not
Speaker 2: the first person, but you're like first in line to
Speaker 2: say something like, well, that's the way we look at
Speaker 2: it as Christians. We look at it as as a
Speaker 2: historical document. And now it's like now it's.
Speaker 7: But it's not a complete encyclopedia of written history. There's
Speaker 7: some keynotes that are in there, and there's a lot
Speaker 7: of empty spaces because I'll again a little bit of
Speaker 7: believing in faith here that most of those empty spaces
Speaker 7: are not pertinent to the overarching story. It's not the
Speaker 7: it's not like reading the Book of Genesis is gonna
Speaker 7: teach you everything about the ancient Meso meso American people,
Speaker 7: even though that history is real history. But it's not
Speaker 7: the Book of Genesis, so that's not real like, no,
Speaker 7: not at all. It's it's more of the answers to
Speaker 7: the questions of the why rather than the questions to
Speaker 7: the physical howls. But there's enough thrown into where it's
Speaker 7: supposed to paint a tapestry for you. But I mean, yeah,
Speaker 7: there's tons of things that are not exactly explained and
Speaker 7: laid out for you in these books.
Speaker 2: Heard that that. Sorry, everybody, We I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I'm whenever I get caught up on something, I'm really
Speaker 2: trying to figure it out, Like I just want to
Speaker 2: fucking keep on going. I know everybody's writing in the chat,
Speaker 2: and everybody was having their hands up and stuff like that. Nick,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry you had your hand up there for a
Speaker 2: hot minute. What did you want to interject into this, sir.
Speaker 6: Just a potential alternative theory that may ruffle a little
Speaker 6: bit of feathers. But if if we look back to
Speaker 6: some of the oldest cultures you know, on the planet,
Speaker 6: which would be like the Aborigines in Australia, they're mitochondrial
Speaker 6: DNA is the oldest like recorded trackable DNA of any
Speaker 6: human race that we know of, and they're like based
Speaker 6: on that goes back sixty fifty to sixty thousand years,
Speaker 6: based off their mitochondrial race DNA right, and their origin
Speaker 6: stories much like many other natives around the world and
Speaker 6: their traditions. They say that they were seated here by
Speaker 6: Pleadians and the Aborigines and then you have but a
Speaker 6: lot of other natives around the world have similar stories,
Speaker 6: and I like to think that based on those, I
Speaker 6: think a lot of them have preserved their stories over time.
Speaker 5: But also that there was.
Speaker 6: Probably two groups throughout history, going back, you know, past
Speaker 6: fifty thousand years, you know, let's say one hundred and
Speaker 6: two hundred, where there's anatomically modern humans, they probably seeded
Speaker 6: different races around the Earth, multiple Adam and Eves call it,
Speaker 6: right of different races in different areas, drop them off,
Speaker 6: and then to provide genetic.
Speaker 5: Diversity, you know, on the planet as a whole.
Speaker 6: And then later on one other let's say, a group
Speaker 6: or being a higher status decided to make their own
Speaker 6: edit to the existing humanity that existed, which would be
Speaker 6: the people outside of the garden at the time that
Speaker 6: were not fall in or anything like that. They were
Speaker 6: just normal humans. And then that line of humans that
Speaker 6: came after, i e. The Adam Adomic line, which would
Speaker 6: be their own I guess remix of the currently existing humans.
Speaker 6: Those are the humans that lived a lot longer, became
Speaker 6: the kings and the higher royalty class that began ruling
Speaker 6: over some of the other humans throughout history, and.
Speaker 2: The Aboriginal in where is that in Australia. That's like
Speaker 2: the oldest known civilization that there is, like it's still
Speaker 2: living today, what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: Right, Yeah, and their stories and their genetic markers go
Speaker 6: back at least sixty thousand years.
Speaker 2: That's a start. That's a start, you know, Like that's
Speaker 2: what I'm talking about, Like clearly, like dude, and that's
Speaker 2: my problem is that whenever you only have five thousand
Speaker 2: years ten thousand years of history or you know, oral
Speaker 2: tradition or anything like that, I'm like, dude, it goes
Speaker 2: back farther than that.
Speaker 5: And they're regular human beings.
Speaker 6: So I mean, if they're regular human beings, you know,
Speaker 6: like us, and you know there's they go back sixty
Speaker 6: thousand years genetically, then you know this whole five thousand,
Speaker 6: ten thousand you know, Adam stuff and the other people
Speaker 6: that were outside, and you know it just I don't know,
Speaker 6: it doesn't make sense to me that much. I'm not
Speaker 6: I'm not knocking to either. I'm just you know, presenting
Speaker 6: some of the other facts.
Speaker 2: No, this is not to like, it's not to disprove
Speaker 2: anybody's religion. This that's not what this conversation is about.
Speaker 2: It's it's just about trying to get to the beginning.
Speaker 2: That's that's all. That's really also trying to take that Samuel,
Speaker 2: go ahead, sir, bring your two cents. You got some
Speaker 2: Asian shit?
Speaker 11: Uh? Well, well, actually they found a seven point five
Speaker 11: foot uh sword in uh that in knowled Japan. Uh
Speaker 11: that's been aged till a fifteen hundred years ago. And
Speaker 11: the fact of the matter is that no, man, I
Speaker 11: don't give fuck how strong you are. You could be
Speaker 11: Eddie fucking oh, you're not being able to wild that
Speaker 11: in battle and that so that makes me that takes
Speaker 11: me to the giants. Also, a lot of my points
Speaker 11: were when y'all were talking about the Preadamites and everything.
Speaker 10: Uh, that explains the homo erectus and everything.
Speaker 11: But if you really look at it, it would also
Speaker 11: explain why when Kane killed Abel and he left and
Speaker 11: he found he found him a wife, and he built
Speaker 11: He had a son named Enoch, and he built the
Speaker 11: city Enoch, and how his kids all started off their
Speaker 11: kids and how then you have the set.
Speaker 10: Line, but it as but when you.
Speaker 3: Hold on.
Speaker 11: In Norse mythology, at the end, after Ragnark and only
Speaker 11: Bald comes.
Speaker 10: Back to life, he gets resurrected. After Ragnarok.
Speaker 11: Comes out a human in a human pair, a man
Speaker 11: and a woman called Ash and Aim.
Speaker 10: They come from the husk of the Yezershill.
Speaker 11: And then you also go into the the Hellenistic, the
Speaker 11: Greek creation myths of humanity.
Speaker 10: Uh that originally.
Speaker 11: We were two headed, too torso formed, and four legged,
Speaker 11: but we were too powerful and everything that has so
Speaker 11: got uh Sozo split them up. And that's why that
Speaker 11: explains the soulmates, why you're truly minded with one person
Speaker 11: over in the Greeks.
Speaker 2: But and I think that like it just even speaking
Speaker 2: on like like the Vikings and the Nordics, and really
Speaker 2: the only history that they have is just the edis right,
Speaker 2: what is it the Proceeda and the poetic Eda or
Speaker 2: something like that. That's right, yeah, yeah, But.
Speaker 11: To explain how all the races and everything, it would
Speaker 11: be the Tower of Babel because it humanity only he
Speaker 11: had one tongue and they all together and they were
Speaker 11: building up the they were building they're trying to build
Speaker 11: a stairway to heaven because they the I believe it
Speaker 11: was nem Ard.
Speaker 10: He wanted to grow to He wanted to say he
Speaker 10: was equal to God.
Speaker 11: But if you look at it, that's also really the
Speaker 11: devil trying to play and hit the his ey. That
Speaker 11: likens back to how the devil tempted Eve. But it's
Speaker 11: the talent Babel because it splits us all in different
Speaker 11: tongues and nations. And that's why and we were never
Speaker 11: supposed to be able to touch loan each other's tongues
Speaker 11: and everything he is to dissuade us form the linking
Speaker 11: back up together.
Speaker 10: So that's another quote unquote we said, we said.
Speaker 2: Right, But even speaking on the Tower of Babel or Babble,
Speaker 2: however you say it that, uh, that was from what
Speaker 2: the scholars say was only about twenty three hundred BC.
Speaker 2: That doesn't go back far enough, Like that's not far enough.
Speaker 2: And and so the argument there would be like, okay,
Speaker 2: so everybody before twenty three hundred BC, it was all
Speaker 2: the same color, they're all the same race, they're all
Speaker 2: the same people. Is that we're talking about? That didn't
Speaker 2: sound ready.
Speaker 7: I personally don't believe that, but I see where you're
Speaker 7: going with this. For sure, I think that the Tower
Speaker 7: of Babel story happened, and I think it might have
Speaker 7: broke up the Mesopotamian cultures into different languages and subsets
Speaker 7: and all this stuff. But I don't necessarily think that
Speaker 7: the Tower of Babel had anything to do with like
Speaker 7: the Australian Aboriginals or the Mesoamericans or you know what
Speaker 7: I'm saying. I think they also kind of made their
Speaker 7: way there long before that. But also the Tower of
Speaker 7: Babel is that the scholars believe, give or take that
Speaker 7: that's what happened.
Speaker 4: Or is that the year that it was written down.
Speaker 2: No, that's the year that they believe that it happened,
Speaker 2: because the flood happened in twenty three forty eight BC
Speaker 2: and the Tower of Babel was one hundred and fifty
Speaker 2: years after that.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, fair.
Speaker 2: Enough' that's what the biblical scholars say, gotcha? So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's actually it says according to Archbishop Usher's chronology.
Speaker 7: Whoever that is, I don't know who that is, but dope, okay,
Speaker 7: peace of the archbishop.
Speaker 4: But that would also make sense.
Speaker 7: How you have all these linguistic groups all around the
Speaker 7: Mesopotamian that were like related to each other, but somehow
Speaker 7: completely separate from each other. And when did that split happen?
Speaker 7: How did that split happen? I could see the Tower
Speaker 7: Babel story being a possible candidate for that, for sure.
Speaker 2: I don't even think the Tower Babel was a literal
Speaker 2: thing that happened. There's a really yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of esoteric ways of looking at that.
Speaker 7: Actually, Oh, I'm sure there's esoteric ways for anybody to
Speaker 7: look at anything man.
Speaker 2: Like, But think about it. How ridiculous is it that
Speaker 2: people literally thought that you can build a tower to God?
Speaker 2: Like they clear there's no way that they actually thought
Speaker 2: that was a thing. Like, that's the most ridiculous thing
Speaker 2: I've ever heard.
Speaker 4: Why why Why wouldn't they believe that that's the thing.
Speaker 2: Well, that's everybody to assume that God exists only in
Speaker 2: the sky and not anywhere else. Everybody thought that God
Speaker 2: existed in the error.
Speaker 7: Everybody, everybody collected, everybody, everybody collectively agreed that God was
Speaker 7: up there.
Speaker 2: That's kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 7: The Babylonian gods believed that they were up there, yes,
Speaker 7: but the Greeks believed they lived on top of Mount Olympus.
Speaker 4: I mean, everybody had their own stories to it, for sure.
Speaker 7: But yeah, depending on Yeah, the Babylonians believe that they
Speaker 7: were in the sky. Yeah, and that'll where the whole
Speaker 7: Ananachi think. Samaran excuse me as Samerian.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know too much about it.
Speaker 2: I might have to do a metamistery show on the
Speaker 2: esoteric understanding of the tower babble. But Zombie, what are
Speaker 2: your thoughts on all this? Where did humanity start? What
Speaker 2: are your thoughts like, do you think we all came
Speaker 2: from one thing? Was it fifty thousand years ago, ten
Speaker 2: thousand years ago? What do you think about that?
Speaker 18: So I actually more along the lines, well, I don't
Speaker 18: I don't know if I actually believe in the evolutionary theory,
Speaker 18: but I will say that according to you, you were
Speaker 18: asking earlier, way earlier about.
Speaker 19: Bones that they had found, and they found human remains
Speaker 19: in Africa that are at least pre dating between two
Speaker 19: to four million years old, like the earliest human civilized
Speaker 19: coming from monkeys, right, So the handyman is between two
Speaker 19: point four million to one point four million years old,
Speaker 19: that is found in eastern and southern Africa. And Nick
Speaker 19: was saying that they Aborigines are the actual like first people.
Speaker 19: But when you look at it and you read into it,
Speaker 19: I'm not trying to like debate, but the in the
Speaker 19: Red Sea by in Africa is the oldest group, and
Speaker 19: is the Africa is where people originated from, and so
Speaker 19: there's like more than three thousand.
Speaker 3: It's the sand people is what it's called the group.
Speaker 19: And so you can find that everybody pretty much came
Speaker 19: from them, and then as they dispersed throughout the world.
Speaker 19: Is how it started to genetically change, and then over
Speaker 19: time evolution happened, and there was originally like five classes
Speaker 19: of races. Oriental American, Asian, Oriental American, Indian, Caucasian, Malayan,
Speaker 19: and Ethiopian was like the original five that they kind
Speaker 19: of like collectively agreed upon. And as like people spread apart,
Speaker 19: environmental issues happened, like you know, you got further away
Speaker 19: from the equators.
Speaker 7: So the lower UV.
Speaker 19: Levels and natural selection of favoritism over a lighter skin
Speaker 19: so helped produce more quote unquote white people. And so
Speaker 19: that's kind of like the the gene theory of even
Speaker 19: Adam has not been proven. I just want to say
Speaker 19: that it's it's more or less the passing of the
Speaker 19: magothondrial DNA like he was saying is is not actually
Speaker 19: been proven. They haven't been able to narrow it down
Speaker 19: to like a specific like group of just these two
Speaker 19: people came. Everyone came from these two things. So that's
Speaker 19: I'm just that's my two cents on that. There's a
Speaker 19: lot more to it, but you have to believe in
Speaker 19: kind of like evolution.
Speaker 7: Dude, she's so much smarter than us. I feel like
Speaker 7: such an idiot whenever I talk after her.
Speaker 4: I mean, this is what her degree is in bro
Speaker 4: one d percent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it is. It is a fascinating, you know kind
Speaker 2: of idea. And I think that, you know, one of
Speaker 2: the main problems is is that think about all of
Speaker 2: the warring tribes and all of the warring different religious
Speaker 2: uh communities and stuff that are taking out entire civilizations
Speaker 2: because of their real religious affiliation and then ultimately just
Speaker 2: doing away with all of their religious dogma. So how
Speaker 2: many times did that happen? How many things were lost
Speaker 2: because those people that were carrying on some type of
Speaker 2: you know, historical relic or even mythological story or whatever
Speaker 2: was completely done away with because of wars and stuff
Speaker 2: like that. You we don't know how many times that's happened.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, thousand percent? What to do?
Speaker 2: Oh here comes the grumpy face.
Speaker 3: Oh he got it, all right, I figured it out.
Speaker 2: All right, he got it, Jamie figured out where were
Speaker 2: humanity started? Here we go, all right, let's go, let's go.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 9: I mean, I think it's a very confusing subject because
Speaker 9: timelines are super complex, right, I think they're fucking insane.
Speaker 3: But we have never touched the subject.
Speaker 9: I don't know if you guys, have I mean, I've
Speaker 9: been listening to the pod for a minute.
Speaker 3: Oh shit, I don't let me do the old man thing.
Speaker 7: I love that it's now being monitored as the old
Speaker 7: man thing.
Speaker 3: Guys, my chrome getting slapped by his wife.
Speaker 4: Oh you mean his uncle.
Speaker 3: It might be his uncle. Why have we not talked
Speaker 3: about this?
Speaker 2: Oh, she's a handsome brod like she's fucking.
Speaker 3: Yeah, hands up, don't you you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Mean me, you know, just.
Speaker 4: What's with his old hands up? Don't shoot foolish, just
Speaker 4: stop that.
Speaker 3: I'm just like, hey, don't be mad at me.
Speaker 9: I'm just asking questions, you know, just always asking question
Speaker 9: What the hell I watched that?
Speaker 7: And I was like, I mean, he's a bit of
Speaker 7: a bitch, and I think his oh had to put
Speaker 7: him in his place publicly.
Speaker 2: Well, there's actually something going on with that that A
Speaker 2: lot of people believe that Macron because he's the French president, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: that he's the antichrist. So there's a lot of Antichrist
Speaker 2: stories going on about him too.
Speaker 4: Oh my god, yeah, of course he is. Of course
Speaker 4: he is. Obama was clearly the antichrist. Trump is clearly
Speaker 4: the Antichrist.
Speaker 7: Menu Macrone is clearly the Antichrist.
Speaker 3: It's a little weird. This is what I was like.
Speaker 3: I was like, oh shit, I forgot what I was
Speaker 3: trying to say. All right, my bad?
Speaker 2: Oh hold up, I got it pulled up on a
Speaker 2: Christian website that is claiming that Macrone is possibly the Antichrist.
Speaker 4: Yes, oh, for the love of fuck?
Speaker 2: What all right, scoot?
Speaker 3: I'm telling you is something weird about that guy.
Speaker 2: Scripture prophecies that the are prophesizes that the Antichrist, also
Speaker 2: known as the Man of Lawlessness, will arise from Europe
Speaker 2: with the intent to deceive and dominate the world near
Speaker 2: the time of Christ's return, with notable figures such as
Speaker 2: Pope Francis and Vladimir Putin. Is speculated to play a
Speaker 2: role in the tribulation tribulation hour. Well, maybe not Francis anymore, right,
Speaker 2: And how old.
Speaker 7: Is this article?
Speaker 10: Man?
Speaker 2: It looks like two weeks ago, twenty eighteen, it says,
Speaker 2: was I so, yeah, they.
Speaker 4: Were calling Macrone the Antichrist in twenty eighteen? Holy fuck dude.
Speaker 2: Well it says that the lateness it's plausible that the
Speaker 2: Antichrist to be is currently alive on Earth, possibly even
Speaker 2: someone well known. In recent times, many have speculated about
Speaker 2: the identity of the coming Antichrist, while popular figures such
Speaker 2: as Barack Obama, Donald Trump, Jared Kushner have been suggested.
Speaker 2: I didn't hear the Jared Kushner one. They do not.
Speaker 7: He's a Jew, so you know.
Speaker 4: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: They do not meet the necessary criteria for the role. However,
Speaker 2: Emmanuel McCrone, who became President of France on May fourteen,
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen, has attracted considerable attention as a potential End
Speaker 2: Times figure because many of his characteristics align with those
Speaker 2: expected of the Antichrist. Consider the following. Almost fucking stoke
Speaker 2: for this one, dude, Let's go Number one. The Antichrist
Speaker 2: will start his ascent to power from relative obscurity. There
Speaker 2: have been countless news reports on Macrone's remarkable and mysterious
Speaker 2: ascent to power, with many highlighting how he seemingly appeared
Speaker 2: out of nowhere. A mere two years before the French election,
Speaker 2: Macron was virtually unknown, lacking both political party affiliation and
Speaker 2: electoral experience. Check one. Number two. The Antichrist will emerge
Speaker 2: from a revived Roman Empire, which is located in Europe.
Speaker 2: Macrone comes from a European background. His country, France, is
Speaker 2: a member of the EU, which is often seen as
Speaker 2: a modern day incarnation of the Roman Empire. As the
Speaker 2: leader of one of the most influential countries in the EU,
Speaker 2: Macrone is devoted to consolidating the Union, potentially restoring its
Speaker 2: former power. Okay, number three, I.
Speaker 7: Don't see Europe as a modern Roman empire, but to
Speaker 7: at that point Charlemagne. Charlemagne was listed as the Holy
Speaker 7: Roman Emperor, and he was from where we would now
Speaker 7: call France.
Speaker 4: So like, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: Number three, the Antichrist will be associated with the number
Speaker 2: six sixty six. Here we go. Macrone's full names. Macroun's
Speaker 2: full name has thirty six characters, and when you assign
Speaker 2: each character a value based on its position and add
Speaker 2: them together, the total is six six six. He also
Speaker 2: wann I would like to see how they came up
Speaker 2: with that. Oh shit. He also won the French presidency
Speaker 2: with sixty six point six percent of the vote. Interestingly,
Speaker 2: the command the command to count or calculate the number
Speaker 2: of anti of the anti crisis, translated from the Greek
Speaker 2: word uh spezio.
Speaker 7: Uh where's our jew?
Speaker 2: At How do you say that? Word is here.
Speaker 7: In the chat anymore? Yeah, and he's our Jew, no doubt.
Speaker 7: But I can't where are you looking?
Speaker 3: How I say that? But like this this is.
Speaker 7: Anyway?
Speaker 2: So from the The number of the antichristis translated from
Speaker 2: the Greek word spazio if that's how you say it,
Speaker 2: which has a secondary meaning related to casting votes in
Speaker 2: elections or decision making processes. Okay, number four, The Antichrist
Speaker 2: will be. The Antichrist will be a prince. Unlike most
Speaker 2: European and Western leaders, Macrone is technically a prince. He
Speaker 2: was named co Prince of Andorra, a small principality situated
Speaker 2: between France and Spain when he took office. While remaining
Speaker 2: royalty in Western and Northern Europe hold little to no
Speaker 2: power and served mainly as symbolic figures, Macrone's status as
Speaker 2: a as a royal has propelled him to a position
Speaker 2: of great authority, as he also holds the highest executive
Speaker 2: office in the country following his party sweeping victory in
Speaker 2: legislative elections. Some news outlets have gone so far as
Speaker 2: to refer to him as as a monarch with the
Speaker 2: power to rule by decree and.
Speaker 3: Doubles slapped by his wife.
Speaker 7: He's a bitch, double slapped like with both hands as
Speaker 7: she rear back and popped him twice like.
Speaker 3: Jud It was.
Speaker 7: It was. I was like, I mean, is there a
Speaker 7: video of this?
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's a bunch of videos of this.
Speaker 2: I would imagine that the Antichrist would love being pegged.
Speaker 2: Makes sense.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'll tell you what though, have you seen his
Speaker 7: uncle slash wife's hands. That bitch got big ass fucking hands, dude.
Speaker 7: You know he probably dislocated his jaw getting slapped with
Speaker 7: those meteors she got, yo, she got some big Mike
Speaker 7: shoulders broke. Candice Owens has been going on and on
Speaker 7: about this, and she's literally put the challenge out there
Speaker 7: if you were born a woman, just say so and
Speaker 7: I'll detract everything. And she has still not said a
Speaker 7: fucking word about it. Oh look, and they can't sue
Speaker 7: her for defamation because it's true.
Speaker 3: There's a video. Now, shoot, dude, it's rude.
Speaker 4: Let's see the video. Well that's with both hands.
Speaker 2: Is he going to play it hopefully?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I play u ass?
Speaker 7: Oh oh okay?
Speaker 2: Waves that even still, that was a little aggressive, That's
Speaker 2: what I'm saying it was.
Speaker 7: I mean, that's his uncle, like actually, his long lost
Speaker 7: uncle who disappeared around the time he was twelve, resurfaced back,
Speaker 7: allegedly as a trainee who became his teacher, who fell
Speaker 7: in love with him when he was fourteen years old.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's Brigitte Macrone. That's the whole story.
Speaker 3: It's disgusting, true, that's true.
Speaker 2: All right, let's get a good look at this broad
Speaker 2: Well she's as okay, well.
Speaker 7: And then they tried making her seem like just the
Speaker 7: same as big mic You remember how many people are like,
Speaker 7: oh my god, she's so beautiful, so much femininity. You know,
Speaker 7: it's like, bro, what woman are you looking at? Saying
Speaker 7: all that feminosity?
Speaker 13: What?
Speaker 2: She's clearly Macrone the same way. She's clearly a lot
Speaker 2: older than he is too.
Speaker 7: Oh she grew ye know, she was a full grown
Speaker 7: woman when he was fourteen, Like this was. It's complete
Speaker 7: pedophilic grooming, like unronically. But again, all of France is
Speaker 7: like swooning over her. She's so garageous. I'm like, in
Speaker 7: what light? And how many drinks have you had?
Speaker 2: There's a lot of facial surgery going on for sure.
Speaker 4: There's a whole lot of a dude wearing a wig.
Speaker 2: Uh No, I'm saying there's clearly been some kind of
Speaker 2: facial reconstructive or something like. That's an unnatural face, bro, Like,
Speaker 2: look at that fucking face like that looks.
Speaker 7: Tell me that's not a dude. Look at the right
Speaker 7: there and tell me that's not a dude. That's twenty
Speaker 7: years Macrone Senior. Oh, look at those fucking chompers, bro
Speaker 7: in the wide shoulders, and oh man, I wish they
Speaker 7: could show you a picture of Brigitte's hands next to his, like, bro, bro, unironically,
Speaker 7: she's got fucking oven mits looking like she's wearing a
Speaker 7: first baseman's glove on both hands, naturally.
Speaker 4: Like, I don't know what else to say, bro, Well.
Speaker 2: It's kind of ironic considering she's probably the picture and
Speaker 2: not the catcher.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: Oh, I guarant fucking t she is if she's still intact.
Speaker 7: I don't know if she had the surgery or not.
Speaker 7: I don't know that yo. Right there, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: right there, top left, top left, Oh no, you had
Speaker 7: it here the picture where she was holding his face.
Speaker 2: Oh good, sweet baby Jesus, look at the size of
Speaker 2: those mits.
Speaker 3: Guys, I'm not kidding me. And the feet is weirdness
Speaker 3: going on?
Speaker 7: Wait, wut scroll up? You had the picture and then
Speaker 7: you you scroll away from a hold on. Now, there
Speaker 7: was one where she was holding his face and kissing him.
Speaker 7: Her hands took up his entire fucking dome piece.
Speaker 2: Son, where was it?
Speaker 4: Damn it? It was on screen? Where ah? How do
Speaker 4: we lose it?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 2: Right here? Okay, look at that ship. I mean she
Speaker 2: got some alien figuers, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: No, those are man hands.
Speaker 7: That's not alien, big dog, that's man.
Speaker 2: It's hard to tell with that.
Speaker 7: That's a man.
Speaker 2: People hands are just it's harder to understand.
Speaker 7: I'm saying, like she's as much of a man as
Speaker 7: big Mike.
Speaker 2: Oh look, here we go. So is Macron known to
Speaker 2: be pretty tall? Or is his wife pretty tall?
Speaker 7: Mhm? You know what, I'm look google that real quick.
Speaker 7: How tall is old Macron? Because I'm curious.
Speaker 2: I mean, she has this picture, so you know.
Speaker 9: I'm telling you there's something weird going on with this situation.
Speaker 9: Like I'm dumb, I'm stupid.
Speaker 2: He's five nine okay, So and she has heels on,
Speaker 2: so she's probably five five five six something like that.
Speaker 4: Are those that tall of heels? Those don't look like
Speaker 4: five inch.
Speaker 7: Pumps to me, my boy, why I was saying three,
Speaker 7: I'm saying that she's yeah, okay, fine, I'll give you
Speaker 7: like five.
Speaker 2: Six something like here we go, check out these shoulders.
Speaker 7: But she's also older, so he spine's compressing dogs, you're
Speaker 7: getting shorter. I don't know.
Speaker 2: To me, this one, this one isn't as obvious as
Speaker 2: Barbara Bush. Like Barbara Bush is clearly a guy. Like
Speaker 2: this one, you're like, Okay, maybe.
Speaker 7: Barbara at least gave birth to a kid, at least
Speaker 7: is not Does Macrone even have kids?
Speaker 2: Dude, she's her fucking fetus is so polluted as Tony
Speaker 2: Montana wants. It's like like she's probably too old right
Speaker 2: to be having kids. Nothing wrong with that, I'm just saying,
Speaker 2: but yeah, like, let me let me show you.
Speaker 4: It's all stage.
Speaker 13: Man.
Speaker 7: I'm still and I think Candice Owns is directly on
Speaker 7: the money by saying that that is a.
Speaker 2: Dude, bro, look at this fucking face and tell me
Speaker 2: that Macrone's wife looks more like a man than this
Speaker 2: gentleman right here.
Speaker 4: Get the looks more manly than than Barbara.
Speaker 2: My mom has a picture personally of this exact picture.
Speaker 5: Nick, No, no, no together.
Speaker 4: There's a picture of Barbara and Brigitte together.
Speaker 5: No no, no, my mother and quit Barbara.
Speaker 4: Oh shit, got you.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying.
Speaker 7: I'm not saying that Barbara wasn't a handsome broad. This
Speaker 7: is I get it.
Speaker 2: This is like, look at those eyes. That's how my
Speaker 2: dad used to look at me. Bro Like, that's how
Speaker 2: I know it's a guy. You know a second like
Speaker 2: this bitch would pierce through your soul.
Speaker 4: Boy, I don't know what you're talking about. Want to
Speaker 4: see that picture.
Speaker 7: She looking like she's looking at a cup of tapioca
Speaker 7: like it's about to go down.
Speaker 4: What are you fucking talking?
Speaker 2: No, she looks like she's about to hit the button
Speaker 2: and send fucking nuclear missile to Cuba. Like that's the
Speaker 2: kind of face. It's like one bad day and she's like,
Speaker 2: you know what, fuck Cuba. Like that's that's that face
Speaker 2: right there.
Speaker 4: I don't get that vibe from the face, but come on, vibe.
Speaker 2: You take off the ear rings, Like, don't look at
Speaker 2: the hair, like, exit out the hair. Imagine this bitch
Speaker 2: is bald. Just for a second, I see what you're saying,
Speaker 2: I'm not. Yeah, the other girl, the Crone's wife. I
Speaker 2: don't know, dude.
Speaker 4: I think Brigitte looks more manly than Barbara.
Speaker 7: That is a hot And also keep in mind this
Speaker 7: is this is Barbara in her Twilight well yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: that's in her early.
Speaker 3: Going on.
Speaker 2: Oh for sure. Absolutely, Like Look, so.
Speaker 7: Are we saying that Barbara is not George W's mom?
Speaker 2: Are we saying that Michelle Obama?
Speaker 5: For sure?
Speaker 7: He is HW's kid, Like they look a lot of
Speaker 7: like HW and W are clearly connected, but like, maybe
Speaker 7: that's not his mom, is what we're saying.
Speaker 2: Absolutely not the mom. You could say the dad, for sure,
Speaker 2: but this is a dude. You don't get dudes pregnant. Dude,
Speaker 2: that's just not how that works. The same thing with
Speaker 2: Michelle Obama, like those kids didn't come from her, Like
Speaker 2: that didn't happen. There's literally no records. There's there are
Speaker 2: zero pictures on the Internet of Michelle Obama pregnant.
Speaker 5: Or Barbara Bush or Barbara Bush.
Speaker 2: But I'm talking about in the day and age that
Speaker 2: we live in, Michelle Obama, I mean, you would have
Speaker 2: had those kids. How old are your kids, like twenty maybe.
Speaker 7: I mean right now, they I think they just allegedly
Speaker 7: graduated college or they're like getting ready to or something
Speaker 7: like that. Twenty five years.
Speaker 4: Yeah, even when they were little kids, you couldn't.
Speaker 2: Get a fucking polaroid.
Speaker 7: You know what I'm saying, Like, Oh, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's just crazy to me. I'm with you, Uh, spirited animal,
Speaker 2: Go ahead, sir, what are your thoughts?
Speaker 10: Did y'all see the I thought today?
Speaker 8: It's a video with Obama and Diddy and uh, he's
Speaker 8: saying I don't get sweaty and Obama He's like, yeah, well,
Speaker 8: I can't exactly what he said, but the ship was
Speaker 8: really fucking suspicious. And I'm pretty sure Obama went to
Speaker 8: a Diddy party, dude.
Speaker 2: I mean sure, you mean the president that ordered what
Speaker 2: was it, sixty thousand hot dogs to the house like
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 10: Sixty five thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: I believe whatever it was.
Speaker 8: But like that, that's just that that makes my spine quality.
Speaker 2: Dude. Obama is the most frail looking man I've ever seen.
Speaker 11: I don't even understand how anybody thought he was a
Speaker 11: strong president. He I'd say that Biden was probably stronger
Speaker 11: than him.
Speaker 2: I mean, his butthole was probably strong. He's probably got
Speaker 2: a nice, you know, tight little brown eye that he's
Speaker 2: probably proud of. But that's about as strong as have.
Speaker 10: You seen the hog on fucking Michael. He don't stretch
Speaker 10: out the other tear yo dogs.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm also one to believe that. You know,
Speaker 2: Barack was absolutely carrying around a jade egg up his
Speaker 2: asshole on a daily basis as well.
Speaker 4: Also say he couldn't take a rebound to save his life.
Speaker 7: God, No, he couldn't.
Speaker 4: He was he was mor that broke his nose at
Speaker 4: Camp David, so homeboy.
Speaker 2: Every time you saw him, he was always like doing kegels,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, Like he was just fucking He's.
Speaker 7: Like is that?
Speaker 4: I always said that face on the.
Speaker 7: That like that, like he just took a bite out
Speaker 7: of a lemon, My fellow America.
Speaker 2: I gotta get it get it right. I gotta get
Speaker 2: it right. I gotta get it tight for Big Mike.
Speaker 7: Gotta get it right, gotta gotta get it tight for
Speaker 7: uh Michael, I mean Michelle.
Speaker 2: And how many times did he accidentally say that too, dude?
Speaker 4: Way too many for comfort?
Speaker 7: Like you never heard George h W call him Brett,
Speaker 7: I mean Barbara. No, no, no, he kept it together.
Speaker 7: Oh Obama couldn't keep it together, big dog bro.
Speaker 2: I've known a lot of Michelle's. I've never accidentally called
Speaker 2: them Michael or never, never in my life. Never, Like
Speaker 2: you don't make it.
Speaker 7: Would make more sense to accidentally call them Mitchell instead
Speaker 7: of Michelle. I would never, but like it makes more
Speaker 7: sense out loud. How do you fuck up that hard?
Speaker 7: The eye's making a whole different.
Speaker 2: Noise, maybe even anyway, maybe even a Michelle. If we're
Speaker 2: getting a little French with it, you know, yeah.
Speaker 7: You know my fitness CONSIGLIERI Miche Like okay, fine, you
Speaker 7: meant to say Michelle, but all right, you're trying to
Speaker 7: be a little French with it. But no, no Michael,
Speaker 7: I mean Michelle, Like, dude, stop it.
Speaker 2: Nobody makes me leave my own blood.
Speaker 7: Marely.
Speaker 4: Macrone's the Antichrist.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get back to that. So the Antichrist, and
Speaker 2: this is according to Revelation Chapter thirteen, Versus sixteen and seventeen,
Speaker 2: the Antichrist will be an economic genius. Macrone's impressive economic
Speaker 2: acumen is demonstrated by his rapid ascent within the Rothchild's
Speaker 2: banking corporation, where he became a partner in just two
Speaker 2: years and earned the nickname in clothes the Mozart of
Speaker 2: Finance after they're brokering a ten billion dollar deal in
Speaker 2: a single meeting. Despite claiming to not be a millionaire,
Speaker 2: his net worth is it already stands at thirty one
Speaker 2: point five million. His economic expertise is further showcase during
Speaker 2: his tenures as Deputy Secretary General at the LC or LCA.
Speaker 2: I don't know how you'd say that, And the Minister
Speaker 2: of Economy and Finance next one Dan, chapter seven, verse twenty,
Speaker 2: The Antichrist will be an intellectual genius. So we had
Speaker 2: economic genius, now we're at intellectual genius. It says from
Speaker 2: a young age, Macrone's exceptional, exceptional intellectual abilities were apparent
Speaker 2: to those around him. His teacher at the time, who
Speaker 2: is now his wife, Brigitte. Oh say so she was
Speaker 2: the teacher that's creepy.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, that's not a joke.
Speaker 7: This is not a joke. She was a teacher quote
Speaker 7: unquote at the school who saw him in a school
Speaker 7: play when he was fourteen and fell in love with him.
Speaker 2: Oh, he groomed him like this is not a hypothetical. Well,
Speaker 2: and she was impressed by his remarkable intellect. Her quote said,
Speaker 2: he wasn't a teenager. He had a relationship of equals
Speaker 2: with other adults. That's why you decided to bet him.
Speaker 2: You betch that sounds patoey.
Speaker 7: I highly recommend everybody look into what Candace Owens has
Speaker 7: been showing and bringing to light about Brigitte Macrone and
Speaker 7: you make your own comparisons. I'll say that Candace hasn't
Speaker 7: missed yet. That's where you do with that information what
Speaker 7: you want.
Speaker 2: That's where the story of That's My Boy, that Adam
Speaker 2: Sandler movie was created. You've seen that movie? You ever
Speaker 2: seen That's My Boy? Because it was fucking his teacher?
Speaker 7: Oh no, I mean there's a couple of examples of
Speaker 7: there was actually a very famous one in America. A
Speaker 7: high school kid got his female teacher pregnant. But she
Speaker 7: was married to a guy that made a lifetime movie
Speaker 7: about that shit too. It was a whole thing, and
Speaker 7: then they ended up once she heard her jail time
Speaker 7: and got out. They're still married to this day, by
Speaker 7: the way, but uh, they have multiple kids.
Speaker 4: But whatever.
Speaker 7: The whole machron thing, like, yeah, the more you look
Speaker 7: into Brigitte, the more none of it makes sense. I'm
Speaker 7: telling y'all, look at what our girl can just be saying.
Speaker 2: So he had a relationship of equals with other adults.
Speaker 2: His former classmate Antoine Marguette similarly described him as possessing
Speaker 2: Olympic intelligence and remark that everyone who encountered him knew
Speaker 2: that he was somewhat extraordinary. If you have read the
Speaker 2: Left Behind series, you might find it amusing to notice
Speaker 2: how much the fictional Antichrist in the series resembles Macron.
Speaker 2: Both are portrayed as highly intelligent individuals who stood out
Speaker 2: from others at a young age. So there's one, okay,
Speaker 2: Number eight, The Antichrist will establish a seven year peace
Speaker 2: treaty with Israel. Now we're getting specific. So mcrone has
Speaker 2: expressed his desire to offer safety and security to Israel
Speaker 2: and to facilitate peace between Israel and Palestine, which has
Speaker 2: yet to be achieved by anyone. He intends to play
Speaker 2: a significant role in renewal of talks between the two parties,
Speaker 2: and the French have already initiated their own peace plan.
Speaker 2: If President Donald Trump fails to present his own Israeli
Speaker 2: Palestine peace planned next month. Macron is reportedly planning on
Speaker 2: to unveil his own proposal. Okay, well this was in
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen, and they ain't no peace.
Speaker 7: I'm finding a few issues with this article, but I
Speaker 7: don't want to jump the gun on this.
Speaker 2: Let's say this is christianevidence dot net. Okay, this is
Speaker 2: that's your people right there, but right.
Speaker 4: No, No, we're in about in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 7: He's so financially smart, then why are they entering your
Speaker 7: second recession in four years?
Speaker 4: And if he's so smart and.
Speaker 7: So beloved by the people, then why are the farmer
Speaker 7: spring shit all over the government buildings right now? I'm sorry,
Speaker 7: I just how.
Speaker 2: Do you know that's not on purpose? I mean, wouldn't
Speaker 2: the Antichrist do something some shit like that, Like it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be necessarily good.
Speaker 7: No, people, the Antichrist is supposed to beloved by everyone,
Speaker 7: like unanimously, except for those that have discernmented to see
Speaker 7: him as the Antichrist. But let's continue this Christian website's
Speaker 7: clearly on one.
Speaker 2: Let's see the anti cris will seek the destruction of
Speaker 2: the Jewish state, betraying the Jewish people. Just a few
Speaker 2: days ago. In twenty eighteen, French Jews expressed their shock
Speaker 2: and horror over the news that the President Emmanuel Macrone
Speaker 2: plans to honor Marshall Philippe Pititaine, a notorious Nazi collaborator
Speaker 2: who was responsible for the deportation of tens of thousands
Speaker 2: of Jews to death camps. Oh, that's not very pro
Speaker 2: Jew of him.
Speaker 7: Well, we look at what happened with the Olympics in
Speaker 7: Paris not too terribly long ago. It seems like he's
Speaker 7: you know now. Granted, it wasn't like he signed off
Speaker 7: on what the Olympic committee did, but it took place
Speaker 7: in Paris.
Speaker 4: So do with that what you want.
Speaker 2: Number ten, The Antichrist will have a powerful military force
Speaker 2: at his disposal. France's military is considered okay, let's read it.
Speaker 2: Let's read it.
Speaker 10: So.
Speaker 2: France's military is considered one of the strongest in the EU,
Speaker 2: likely ranking first or second alongside the UK due to
Speaker 2: both countries possessing nuclear arsenals. On a darker note, France
Speaker 2: is also known for the invention and frequent use of
Speaker 2: the guillotine throughout its history. Interestingly, the guillotine is believed
Speaker 2: by some to be the primary instrument that the Antichrist
Speaker 2: will use to execute the martyrs during the Great Tribulation.
Speaker 7: All right, I can't, I can't hold on now. The
Speaker 7: last guillotine death was in like seventy two, which is
Speaker 7: pretty dope. I wish they would bring it back. I'm
Speaker 7: here for it. First off. Second off, okay, paus, France's
Speaker 7: military is the arguably strongest in the EU next to
Speaker 7: the UK. In what fucking universe and with what kind
Speaker 7: of metrics are we looking at, dude? Germany currently could
Speaker 7: trounce France in their sleep like they did in World
Speaker 7: War Two. I'm not saying the French military is a
Speaker 7: bunch of punks, but I'm saying that's saying that they
Speaker 7: are the strongest in the EU is not even an
Speaker 7: argumentable statement. That's I'll give them top ten, sure, top
Speaker 7: ten in the EU.
Speaker 2: Well, and let's just move on. So the Antichrist will
Speaker 2: rule a ten nation confederacy. It says Macron has been
Speaker 2: advocating for the formation of a Coalition of the Willing,
Speaker 2: consisting of ten cores European nations to establish a joint
Speaker 2: EU army, enabling them to act in unison during emergency situations.
Speaker 2: And to secure Britain's military cooperation upon its exit from
Speaker 2: the EU. Just this week, a coalition of ten European
Speaker 2: militaries aimed at safeguarding the borders of the continent was
Speaker 2: introduced to Paris, following Macrone's call for a real European army.
Speaker 2: That's kind of specific.
Speaker 7: Oh so, like in case, in case, like Russia invaded
Speaker 7: Europe or something like that, these European nations will be
Speaker 7: able to join together to stop it. How's that working
Speaker 7: out for Hi'm just curious.
Speaker 2: The antigrist will proclaim himself as God. Oh, here we go, Macron.
Speaker 7: There is that.
Speaker 2: Macrone has proclaimed that he will, in quotes, rule like Jupiter,
Speaker 2: the supreme deity in Roman and Greek mythology. He has
Speaker 2: also been given several titles in Europe, including Jupiter, Europe's Savior,
Speaker 2: and the Son King Reborn, and appears to relish the
Speaker 2: attention that they bring him. He even he has even
Speaker 2: jestingly drawn attention to his own name, which means God
Speaker 2: is with us in Hebrew. What is interesting is that
Speaker 2: the is that his first name is not only a
Speaker 2: reference to God. Each part of his full name, except
Speaker 2: for his last name, alludes to God or Jesus in
Speaker 2: some way. So here's the breakdown of his name. Emmanuel
Speaker 2: means God with us, Gene means God is gracious, Michael
Speaker 2: means who is like God, Frederic means peaceful ruler. And
Speaker 2: macrone a noun meaning a written or printed mark.
Speaker 7: WHOA.
Speaker 2: All right, that's how so.
Speaker 4: Homies and welcomed.
Speaker 3: Welcome to the conspiracy, Like welcome to the conspiracy.
Speaker 2: Yes, you, dude, his last name is literally a written
Speaker 2: or printed mark.
Speaker 3: Dude. This something weird, something weird.
Speaker 2: That extra. That's extra as fuck right there, Jacob.
Speaker 7: Don't know how many y'all got homies in France, but
Speaker 7: he's not like it depends on who you ask. There
Speaker 7: are those that like vehemently support him, and there are
Speaker 7: those that seriously.
Speaker 4: Don't, but they don't off the nation.
Speaker 3: They don't. Yeah they don't.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I was over there, trust me, I was there
Speaker 9: for years.
Speaker 2: Nope, Nicholas, what are your thoughts on.
Speaker 5: This, sir?
Speaker 6: I I actually wondered this myself, just on the on
Speaker 6: the basis of like the Antichrist being beloved by all.
Speaker 6: That's the one that I think about the most all
Speaker 6: the time, not that I even really think about it
Speaker 6: being real in general based on my but but that
Speaker 6: one always sticks out to me, not necessarily being one person.
Speaker 6: But who would you think, uh would even if we're
Speaker 6: only using that metric, who would it be, Because like,
Speaker 6: I can't see anybody even agreeing even like of any
Speaker 6: person have or in this day and age that would
Speaker 6: even fit the bill of beloved by all.
Speaker 2: Actually, I actually thought about this. If Trump is able
Speaker 2: to abolish the irs, it's gonna be a lot of
Speaker 2: love coming his way.
Speaker 7: I don't believe that the Antichrist is going to be
Speaker 7: an elected official of any nation personally. I could be
Speaker 7: so wrong, could be totally wrong here. I don't believe
Speaker 7: he's going to be somebody who is a general. He
Speaker 7: may be somebody like with military background in his earlier years,
Speaker 7: if you will. I don't believe he's gonna be some
Speaker 7: big CEO type either. I believe he's going to be
Speaker 7: somebody with and when I say the term power, I
Speaker 7: don't mean, uh like political power, although he'll have money
Speaker 7: to sway political elections and things like that. But he's
Speaker 7: gonna be somebody who on the surface appears to everyone
Speaker 7: to be out there doing good things for the right reason.
Speaker 7: For the betterment of humanity, asking nothing for himself at first.
Speaker 7: Like that's how he's gonna get known. It's gonna be
Speaker 7: a guy to where everybody is like, oh you mean John.
Speaker 7: Have you heard about John? Oh my god, he's the greatest.
Speaker 7: He's over here digging wells in Africa. He's over here
Speaker 7: breaking slavery chains in this nation. He's he's breaking down
Speaker 7: this he's doing these things, Like, who can ever hate
Speaker 7: this guy? He's amazing. It's gonna be that type of
Speaker 7: a guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I don't believe there's any politicians that fit that mold.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but we're talking about literally, like look at all
Speaker 2: the things that we read. It would have to be
Speaker 2: somebody with some kind of political sway, at least at
Speaker 2: the bare minimum. So it's not just regular old Joe
Speaker 2: blow off the street. It's going to be a name
Speaker 2: that is at least somewhat known in politics. I would imagine,
Speaker 2: according to this.
Speaker 7: Known in politics. Just the first on the world stage.
Speaker 2: I mean, just right here, the Antichrist will start his
Speaker 2: ascent to power from relative obscurity. Okay, maybe so he'll
Speaker 2: be a nobody. The Antichrist will be a prince. I
Speaker 2: wouldn't call that a nobody.
Speaker 7: No, no, no. But at the same time, if you
Speaker 7: do so many any good things, you understand that you
Speaker 7: can attain titles you can be like, for instance, just
Speaker 7: throw this out. And I'm not saying Elon's Antichrist. Just
Speaker 7: bear with me for two seconds here. Elon started off
Speaker 7: as a nobody that anybody would know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he came from a little bit of some wealth
Speaker 4: in South Africa.
Speaker 7: But he built his company up to a level to
Speaker 7: where now you could argue he would be a part
Speaker 7: of the modern day royal class, would you not?
Speaker 2: Sure? Yeah, yeah, because corporations are on the y the
Speaker 2: money to sway elections, for sure.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 2: And and that's the thing. But you know, the problem
Speaker 2: with Elon too is that he's also you know, there's
Speaker 2: not a lot of people who really fuck with Elon
Speaker 2: that much anymore, especially not the liberal people. Dude. Remember
Speaker 2: we heard that they're literally like painting over their Tesla
Speaker 2: emblem on their cars or removing it or some kind
Speaker 2: of shit over in California.
Speaker 7: But that's what I'm saying now. I'm not amusing Elon
Speaker 7: as an example. I am not saying he's the Antichrist.
Speaker 7: I do not believe that for multiple reasons, right, But
Speaker 7: my point is it'll be somebody who gets that level
Speaker 7: of money, Tony Stark style money, and instead of using
Speaker 7: it for weapons designs and being a man whore, he's
Speaker 7: over here using that money for the betterment of humanity
Speaker 7: and everybody loves him. And yeah, he has the money
Speaker 7: to sway elections, but he chooses not to and all
Speaker 7: of these it's gonna be a person like that. And currently,
Speaker 7: to answer your question, Nick, I have no idea who
Speaker 7: fits that mold. I don't believe it's gonna be a
Speaker 7: president of any nation or or anybody involved with politics,
Speaker 7: because right off the rip, being involved with politics means
Speaker 7: that half the people disagree with you and don't like you, don't.
Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna be somebody.
Speaker 2: It's one thing to have an opinion, and then there's
Speaker 2: another thing to go against what literally the Bible is
Speaker 2: describing the Antichrist as, and you're the Bible is describing
Speaker 2: a character, describing an entirely different character.
Speaker 4: What did I say that goes against what the Bible
Speaker 4: just says.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at this one. The Antichrist will likely
Speaker 2: emerge from the ranks of the global elite who are
Speaker 2: paving the way for the prophesied one world political and
Speaker 2: economic system. Like, that's not gonna be somebody who's helping
Speaker 2: build wells in Africa.
Speaker 7: No no, But my point is, like the global that
Speaker 7: doesn't mean a presidency.
Speaker 4: That could mean a family that comes from.
Speaker 7: Old, old, old, old money. But it also says relative obscurity.
Speaker 7: So it's not a guy that you're gonna know based
Speaker 7: off of his family name. So like what you see
Speaker 7: what I'm saying, Well.
Speaker 2: It says right here, the power in Revelation thirteen to seven,
Speaker 2: the power was given to him over all kindreds, tongues,
Speaker 2: and nations.
Speaker 7: So I mean that's what I'm saying. Power is given
Speaker 7: to him, right right. He didn't take it from an
Speaker 7: election or something like that. He didn't take it from
Speaker 7: military conquest or anything like that.
Speaker 2: It's not like that, Oh, because officials are all elected.
Speaker 2: We still believe that.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, but that's my point.
Speaker 7: It might be somebody who is put into an appointed
Speaker 7: position and made a prince, if you will, But I
Speaker 7: don't believe it's going to be and I could again,
Speaker 7: I could be very wrong here. It could absolutely become
Speaker 7: the president of the next president of Israel might be
Speaker 7: the Antichrist. I don't know this, but I feel like
Speaker 7: if it's anybody with any kind of political power, whatever
Speaker 7: their standpoints are, whatever their platform is, half of their
Speaker 7: land is going to disagree with them, and that completely
Speaker 7: negates the whole everybody, Liken, the thing.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong, you know what this thing is though.
Speaker 2: The thing is about this whole Antichrist conversation. Though, is
Speaker 2: that literally two thousand years ago from what I was,
Speaker 2: I was doing a little bit of research. Dude. A
Speaker 2: lot of the people, even when they were constructing the Bible,
Speaker 2: they thought literally the time, like the end was nigh,
Speaker 2: like it was happening. It was going to be happening
Speaker 2: any day now, back in like three hundred, you know,
Speaker 2: ad and so like, people have always suspected that the
Speaker 2: end is nigh. Like people, dude, if you were a thousand,
Speaker 2: if you live to be a thousand years old, imagine
Speaker 2: like any day now and the end is coming. And
Speaker 2: then you live a thousand years and it's like, wait,
Speaker 2: what the like nothing ever happened? Like that's kind of weird,
Speaker 2: you know, Like, but that's the thing.
Speaker 7: Is that I mean, we're always ready.
Speaker 2: For the end times. It's like maybe it's maybe it's
Speaker 2: just not going to happen that way.
Speaker 7: I am not worried about the end times until they
Speaker 7: rebuild the temple. That's just me, right, I know the
Speaker 7: red halfer. Oh yeah, sure, sure, sure, they have a
Speaker 7: red cow. That's dope and that's useful for their purposes
Speaker 7: of sacrifice. The temple's not rebuilt yet, so with chilling
Speaker 7: as of this moment.
Speaker 4: In a few years we'll.
Speaker 2: See, Jamie, I love your boxer. I grew up with boxers.
Speaker 2: My dog Fatty, he's half boxer. Squeeze them cheeks for me.
Speaker 2: Squeeze them cheeks for me, dude. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 2: That's how you know you got a boxer when you
Speaker 2: get a handful of cheeks, dude. So anyway, let's go
Speaker 2: to this one. The Antichrist will speak blasphemies against God.
Speaker 2: So Macrone has consistently emphasized the importance of secularism and
Speaker 2: free speech in France, which includes the right to criticize
Speaker 2: and satirize religion. In twenty twenty, he defended a teenager's
Speaker 2: right to criticize Islam and stated that blasphemy is no crime.
Speaker 2: In response to the backlash that she received, he also
Speaker 2: maintained that in France, we have the right to blaspheme,
Speaker 2: to criticize, and to caricature religens. That lines up.
Speaker 4: Okay, very true, It's very French of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. The next one, the Antichrist, would likely present
Speaker 2: solutions to global issues and appear as a savior to many.
Speaker 2: So Macron has taken a leading role in addressing global
Speaker 2: issues such as climate change in COVID nineteen. His his
Speaker 2: proactive and forward thinking approach towards numerous issues affecting Europe
Speaker 2: and the world has led him to being dubbed Europe's savior.
Speaker 2: I mean, hey, dude, get that.
Speaker 4: Mask on Paris climbing accord. Clearly Macrone's the guy.
Speaker 2: I mean literally Paris you know.
Speaker 8: So.
Speaker 2: In fact, a magazine owned by the Rothschild family went
Speaker 2: so far as to publish publish a photo of him
Speaker 2: walking on water in a christ like fashion. Wow, look
Speaker 2: at this in the economics. Holy shit, Wait, what is
Speaker 2: this sticking out of those snakes coming out of the water. Dude,
Speaker 2: If those are snakes coming out of the water, didn't
Speaker 2: it look like it?
Speaker 7: What is that?
Speaker 12: Right?
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 4: I thought, that's trash, like the litter.
Speaker 2: Is it supposed to be?
Speaker 4: I don't know, I don't know what the hell that is.
Speaker 4: Those are twin towers.
Speaker 7: I eleven confirmed.
Speaker 2: Well that was in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 5: But those are snakes.
Speaker 2: Those are snakes. Okay, yeah, the two cobra looking I thought, so.
Speaker 7: Can you zoom in more, Jimmy, let me try look
Speaker 7: it up. I'm gonna look up the picture.
Speaker 2: Okay, good. Yeah, because I thought that they were like,
Speaker 2: you know, the cobra type head. That is strange that
Speaker 2: you would have snakes coming out.
Speaker 6: There's somebody, Yeah, there's they're heels on, like somebody's feet
Speaker 6: sticking out.
Speaker 2: Oh is that what they are?
Speaker 5: Yeah, which is even more I don't know, even more weird.
Speaker 4: Oh oh yeah, yeah yeah.
Speaker 7: It's a woman's heels sticking out of the water like
Speaker 7: she's floating upside down.
Speaker 4: Those are feet.
Speaker 5: It's uncle's heels, yeah.
Speaker 2: His uncle girlfriend.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 19: Yea.
Speaker 2: The most recent one, yes, sir, it was.
Speaker 11: It was in France and they did the pale horse
Speaker 11: acrossing the liver and all like that.
Speaker 7: Yeah. Earlierly, which granted it's not like Macron was a
Speaker 7: part of the Olympic committee that signed off on that,
Speaker 7: but at the same time that did happen in Paris.
Speaker 4: So like taking a third eye all the way open.
Speaker 2: I mean, oh fuck, wait till we read this next one. Interestingly,
Speaker 2: Macrone reported that he had a vision a few years
Speaker 2: before becoming president in which he saw himself riding a
Speaker 2: white horse and leading France to glory, fulfilling his destiny.
Speaker 7: What well, I'm waiting for that day to happen, Macron,
Speaker 7: because France is currently not doing so hot.
Speaker 4: All right, Wow, this is a very true of him.
Speaker 5: It's before the Olympics.
Speaker 7: Right, dude, this is before COVID.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm insane. I'm right about this. This is weird.
Speaker 9: This is a lot of weirdness.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it's not bro Yeah, yeah, strange, strange.
Speaker 2: The Antichrist will establish a one world religion, which is
Speaker 2: like the Roman Catholic Church. It says, despite being born
Speaker 2: to non religious parents, Macron chose to be baptized a
Speaker 2: Catholic at the age of twelve. I'm gonna be honest
Speaker 2: that there was going to be an Antichrist, it would
Speaker 2: probably be from the Catholic Church. Don't throw shade that's
Speaker 2: just my opinion, and received a Jesuit education, oh shit,
Speaker 2: until his last year of high school. In June, he
Speaker 2: visited the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican,
Speaker 2: where he had an unusually long meeting behind closed doors
Speaker 2: with Pope Francis, discussing migration issues, conflict in the Middle East,
Speaker 2: and the future unity of Europe. France has a strict
Speaker 2: separation between church and state, as enshrined in law in
Speaker 2: nineteen oh five. Nevertheless, Macrone caused an uproar in a
Speaker 2: speech to Catholics this year when he expressed his desire
Speaker 2: to repair the bond between church and state.
Speaker 7: Interesting once again, I would I don't know what he's
Speaker 7: waiting on then, because, okay, don't.
Speaker 2: The Antichrist will seek to change and laws, says. Since
Speaker 2: taking office, Macron has been reforming labor laws in France,
Speaker 2: which has resulted in several violent protests. He aims to
Speaker 2: modify Sunday work schedules as well.
Speaker 7: Okay, violent protests because of him, fucking Okay.
Speaker 2: The Antichrist will show no regard for any God except
Speaker 2: for the God of fortresses, whom he will honor. Macrone,
Speaker 2: who identifies as a secular lapsed Catholic does not acknowledge
Speaker 2: any god. However, he has expressed his desire to govern
Speaker 2: in a manner reminiscent of the Roman god Jupiter, and
Speaker 2: has referred to his administration as Jupiterarian. Interestingly, the title
Speaker 2: God of Fortresses belongs to none other than the Roman
Speaker 2: god of Jupiter, whose Greek equivalent is Zeus. It is
Speaker 2: worth noting that Antiochus any I guess Antiochus the fours Epiphans,
Speaker 2: a foreshadow of the coming Antichrist, also portrayed himself as
Speaker 2: Jupiter and even erected a statue of the god. Okay,
Speaker 2: all right, I feel like it's starting to check out
Speaker 2: a little bit, and we're just gonna read one more God, Damn,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of them. Yeah, we're not gonna read
Speaker 2: all these h But.
Speaker 7: Then they were calling this guy out, good Lord.
Speaker 2: Let's find a good one for the last one though,
Speaker 2: because it's just like, Okay, he has great arrogance. Who doesn't.
Speaker 2: The anti Christ will deceive the world through his charisma
Speaker 2: and charm. The anti Christ will be ruthless towards others.
Speaker 2: It'll be characterized by Satanic influence. Here we go. Oh,
Speaker 2: the demonic symbolism surrounding Macron is concerning Macrone walked out
Speaker 2: to the Ode of Joy instead of the French national
Speaker 2: anthem during his presidential victory speech. This composition contains references
Speaker 2: to pagan goddess worship in uniting all people through magic.
Speaker 2: He celebrated his his win at the Louver Museum in
Speaker 2: front of the glass pyramid with what appeared to be
Speaker 2: illuminated eyes watching him or watching over him from the top,
Speaker 2: a known symbol of the Illuminati. In his French office
Speaker 2: or in his presidential office in Paris, there is a
Speaker 2: painting hanging on the wall featuring a star symbol with
Speaker 2: a man's face at the bottom. When the painting is
Speaker 2: turned upside down, the symbol bears a striking resemblance to
Speaker 2: the schedule of Baphomet, the official insignia of the Church
Speaker 2: of Satan. Woo oh yeah, look there it.
Speaker 7: Is, so I just looked at up. He was elected
Speaker 7: in twenty seventeen. This article is written in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 7: Now not trying to be that guy, because Macron could
Speaker 7: be the Antichrist. I don't personally see it lining up
Speaker 7: so cleanly, but like, okay, we could find a few
Speaker 7: key details, But how many articles do we show as
Speaker 7: soon as Obama got elected saying he was clearly the
Speaker 7: Antichrist or George Bush right or or Trump, Like as
Speaker 7: soon as a new person takes office right now, there's
Speaker 7: people that are trying to draw the connection saying the
Speaker 7: new pope is clearly the Antichrist. Pope Francis was clearly
Speaker 7: the Antichrist, Benjamin and that Yahoo was clearly Antichrist. And
Speaker 7: I'm not trying to detract I could be wrong. Macrome
Speaker 7: might be the guy, like for sure. I just it
Speaker 7: seems like every time a person takes a position of
Speaker 7: power over a first world nation, there's people out there
Speaker 7: immediately trying to say that this is the this is
Speaker 7: the Antichrist. I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: I mean, some of those might be a little bit
Speaker 2: of a stretch, I'll admit, but there are other things
Speaker 2: that we read in there that were like, that's kind
Speaker 2: of fucking weird, right And and look, I'll be the
Speaker 2: first one to say that I think that a lot
Speaker 2: of the elites are probably using some kind of Satanic
Speaker 2: or Illuminati symbolism because I think that it's all one
Speaker 2: big party and weigh in invited, right, Like, these people
Speaker 2: are all running together. That's why they all meet up
Speaker 2: at the World Economic Forum. And where's the other one
Speaker 2: in Switzerland? What's that one called again?
Speaker 4: World Health Organization?
Speaker 2: No? What was it called, Jamie shit?
Speaker 3: World economic? World economic not economic form.
Speaker 2: No, that's not the one I was thinking of, Davos.
Speaker 2: Oh wait, that is that the word economic? No, that's
Speaker 2: a different thing. Okay, tripping, I'm getting mixed up here.
Speaker 2: But anyway, I don't know. I think it's kind of strange.
Speaker 2: I think they're all kind of running together, especially whenever
Speaker 2: you got Sad Guru going to World Economic Forum. It's like, okay, everything,
Speaker 2: everybody's fucked. Then, Nicholas your thoughts.
Speaker 6: Question, Jacob, I think you might be able to clarify
Speaker 6: this for me. So the Antichrist is just a uh
Speaker 6: a Christian belief, I guess right from what I understand,
Speaker 6: It's not a like is not Islam or Judaism. Uh,
Speaker 6: there's an argument to be made, I guess technically again
Speaker 6: this is just.
Speaker 5: Conjecture or just whatever.
Speaker 6: But uh, in the on the Jewish side, not to
Speaker 6: feel any anti Semitism or anything like that.
Speaker 5: It's not the way I'm going at all.
Speaker 6: But from the Christian perspective, the Jews technically are waiting
Speaker 6: on their Messiah figure in the end times as well,
Speaker 6: like they have a guy that they're waiting on who's
Speaker 6: their Messiah, and so like it, technically, in the eyes
Speaker 6: of Christians, that figure that they're waiting on their Messiah
Speaker 6: would be what will roll with that person. Built in
Speaker 6: the Christian viewpoint.
Speaker 7: There's an argument to be made that whenever the Jewish
Speaker 7: Messiah steps on the scene, that would potentially be the
Speaker 7: anti christ reference in the Bible. I'm not saying that
Speaker 7: that's a confirmed fact, but there's a lot of Christians
Speaker 7: that believe that the Antichrist will be of Jewish descent,
Speaker 7: specifically because he's going to walk into the Holy of
Speaker 7: Holies within the rebuilt Temple, and you can only do
Speaker 7: that if you're a high priest in Judaism, like not
Speaker 7: just anybody's gonna be able to walk up into the temple,
Speaker 7: even in the outer court on which is considered the
Speaker 7: women's quarters, Like a person a gentile is not gonna
Speaker 7: be able to walk in there, even for like you know,
Speaker 7: academic research, like absolutely not. It's the same way that
Speaker 7: like a non Mormon can't just walk up into the
Speaker 7: Tabernacle like abseluctingly. Not So for somebody to be able
Speaker 7: to walk into the Temple in that manner means that
Speaker 7: they at least have to be Jewish. Now, I'm not
Speaker 7: saying that that will be their Messiah figure, but I
Speaker 7: do believe that a lot of Jews will believe that
Speaker 7: the Antichrist might be their Messiah.
Speaker 2: I just I just looked it up as so, all
Speaker 2: three of the Abrahamic religions have some kind of Antichrist.
Speaker 2: And I actually didn't know this. I kind of thought
Speaker 2: it was only a Christian thing too, But yeah, Christianity
Speaker 2: they have the what they call the Antichrist, but then
Speaker 2: in Islam they have what is called al masi ad
Speaker 2: da Jaal, which translates to the deceiving Messiah. And then
Speaker 2: in Judaism you have Armorless, which is a later Rabbitic legend.
Speaker 2: Armorless are sometimes associated with Gog and Magog.
Speaker 7: Okay, which the wars of Gog and Magog are considered
Speaker 7: to be signs of the end times.
Speaker 4: So like that also kind of checks out as well.
Speaker 7: I don't know much about the Islamic Antichrist figure. I'm
Speaker 7: honestly never looked into it that deeply. And I know
Speaker 7: I've gotten a lot of shade because that little clip
Speaker 7: where I was talking about heresies within Islam. Look, the
Speaker 7: Quran doesn't say anything about Jesus going from water from
Speaker 7: Capernaum to Jerusalem. That was a complete example pulled out
Speaker 7: of my ass. Okay, if I wanted to use a
Speaker 7: heretical example, I could have said that they believe that
Speaker 7: Jesus wasn't crucified, but that it was Judas that was
Speaker 7: made to look like Jesus and that's who was actually crucified.
Speaker 7: Like that, that's completely heretical and goes against even the
Speaker 7: Jewish histories, even the Christian histories, the Roman history.
Speaker 4: So it's it's that's my point.
Speaker 7: They were taking gnostic and and heretical conversations and adding.
Speaker 4: It to the book. By the way, for anybody out there,
Speaker 4: that's a no.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say to clarify on that the the
Speaker 2: deceiving Messiah is not directly in the Qur'an. It's in
Speaker 2: the hadith so Ah, which is basically would just like, oh, I.
Speaker 7: Just found out apparently your boy Mohammed got railed through
Speaker 7: by ten big black guys all night long, getting mounted
Speaker 7: by them all in the Hadith And that's that's not
Speaker 7: like he basically got a train ran on him. Where
Speaker 7: did you one of his disciples watched it? Where's this?
Speaker 4: Oh, it's in the hadith.
Speaker 2: On it their their second coming of Jesus. Allegedly it
Speaker 2: got raped by ten dudes.
Speaker 4: Oh no, no, it wasn't rape. It was very consensual.
Speaker 2: That's even worse.
Speaker 7: It was a very willing thing. Yeah, and they don't
Speaker 7: like it even though they're word for it. It's like
Speaker 7: mounted and rode him all night. And it's like, where
Speaker 7: does this say rode him all night? Well? The word
Speaker 7: being used as mounted, the slang term for mounted is
Speaker 7: about what it is in the English vernacular. Believe it
Speaker 7: or not, there's other Islamic sources for the time period
Speaker 7: to say such okay, ten And it doesn't necessarily mean
Speaker 7: black is in Saharan or some Saharan African. These were
Speaker 7: more like dudes from India from a certain section that
Speaker 7: have dark skin. These same groups of dudes were known
Speaker 7: to have very large fallacies and were known to never
Speaker 7: go soft again.
Speaker 4: Not my words.
Speaker 7: Islamic sources confirm this, and he was mounted by ten
Speaker 7: of them from the time the sun went down to
Speaker 7: the time the sun went up.
Speaker 4: Take that for what you mean, but that sounds to Jacob.
Speaker 7: Like all night long. Okay. Then afterwards he walked back
Speaker 7: up to his boy and he said, they wounded me
Speaker 7: all night and then he had to walk funny and
Speaker 7: he slept for like another day. So I mean, take
Speaker 7: that for what you want, but it sounds like Muhammad
Speaker 7: went to a gay orgy that he put together consensual,
Speaker 7: but he was being wounded all night very.
Speaker 4: Much, well wounded quote unquote.
Speaker 7: I mean, when you get mounted by ten guys back
Speaker 7: to back to back to back, I could assume that
Speaker 7: you take.
Speaker 4: A little bit of a you could consider that a wound.
Speaker 2: What was that movie with Craig Robinson where his uh,
Speaker 2: his rap name was a horse dick dot mpeg. You
Speaker 2: remember that movie? No, yeah, Craig rock What what fucking
Speaker 2: movie was that?
Speaker 7: I know, Craig Robinson, but hold on, what the fuck
Speaker 7: are you talking about?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Literally, he was a rapper and his nickname or his
Speaker 2: rap name was Horsetck dot mpeg And then they ended
Speaker 2: up finding out that he there at the end of
Speaker 2: the movie. They're like, wait, Horsetick ain't got a dick,
Speaker 2: or like he he like wasn't born with a dick.
Speaker 2: So he made up like this myth about him having
Speaker 2: like this ginormous dick, and that became.
Speaker 7: His rap name.
Speaker 2: Oh hilarious fucking movie though.
Speaker 4: That's but let's see, Oh, this is called uh.
Speaker 7: The hdith refers to the night of Mirage if his
Speaker 7: signific get, an event in the life of the prophet Muhammad,
Speaker 7: where he was taken on a journey to Meca from
Speaker 7: Jerusalem and then to the heavens. His journey was not literal.
Speaker 7: Wait a minute, Oh no, no, no, no, that's not
Speaker 7: what it was. Hold on, It's called the night of
Speaker 7: the Gin, the night of the Gin in the in
Speaker 7: the hadith. Yeah, anybody wants to look that up. It's
Speaker 7: it's a thing. It's one of the most things that
Speaker 7: ever happened, if you will correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 2: The Hidith is very similar to like the Kabbala as
Speaker 2: far as esoteric and not literal, though, isn't it.
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 7: You know what, I'm gonna search that up because I
Speaker 7: know that there are certain Muslims that only take the
Speaker 7: Koran to be truth in fact, and there are those
Speaker 7: that get into the Hideth, and that's where we get
Speaker 7: like Islamic extremism and shit like that. But let me
Speaker 7: look it up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that that's that's what that is.
Speaker 2: That it's more of the deeper like esoteric meaning of
Speaker 2: Islam or whatever.
Speaker 4: Oh, okay, okay, So here it is.
Speaker 7: Here it is the Koran is the revealed word of
Speaker 7: God directly communicated to the prophet Muhammad, while the Hadith
Speaker 7: are collections of sayings and actions of the Prophet Muhammad
Speaker 7: as well as his companions, compiled after his death. So
Speaker 7: it's not esoteric. It's more like, well, I guess it
Speaker 7: could be if if Mohammad said a thing and it
Speaker 7: was meant to be esoteric and metaphorical, then that's in
Speaker 7: the hidith.
Speaker 2: Okay. So it's more comparable to the Nagamadi then, which
Speaker 2: is esoteric at that point, because the Nagamadi allegedly you know,
Speaker 2: I know, not a lot of people get down with it.
Speaker 2: I do personally, But that was like all Jesus sayings.
Speaker 2: So I mean, it was like one hundred and fourteen
Speaker 2: Jesus sayings or a hundred.
Speaker 5: Gospel Thomas, what was it? The gospel?
Speaker 7: Thomas well yeah, well that's now the Gospel Thomas, isn't
Speaker 7: the Sayings of Jesus. That's the like the lost Gospel
Speaker 7: of q if you will, The Gospel Thomas, if I'm
Speaker 7: not mistaken, talks about like the childhood of Jesus. Yes,
Speaker 7: that's the.
Speaker 6: Same Gospel Thomas as the one hundred and fourteen Sayings
Speaker 6: of Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, which is the Nagamadi.
Speaker 5: One of the books found in the Nagamani library.
Speaker 7: Yet right, right, Nagamadi was a bunch of stuff too.
Speaker 7: That was that was the books that where they found
Speaker 7: the Dead Sea scrolls.
Speaker 2: Correct, No, no, no, no, actually fun fact, Yeah, the Nagamati,
Speaker 2: that's the it was found in Nagamati, Egypt, I think.
Speaker 2: But that was that's where people you know, that's where
Speaker 2: Book of Thomas and Book of Mary Magdalene and and
Speaker 2: ship like that gets into apocryphal kind of ship I think.
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's actually a really fascinating ring. But
Speaker 2: it's literally just like just Jesus sayings allegedly actually.
Speaker 7: The Nagamati Yeah, okay, it includes the Gnostic Gospels. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's not just Jesus' texts at all. It's it's the
Speaker 7: Gnostic texts.
Speaker 6: I think that I think the Gospel of Thomas gets
Speaker 6: lumped in with the word gnostic. I think I think
Speaker 6: a lot of some of those other texts get blanketed
Speaker 6: with gnostic because they're not I don't think it's fair
Speaker 6: to call everything that's not canonized gnostic. And I think that's.
Speaker 4: Literally what it means by phinition, doctor No.
Speaker 6: I think the Gnostic stuff is the ones that are
Speaker 6: all like talking about how there's a like we're trapped
Speaker 6: and we got to get out of the like there's
Speaker 6: the uh, what's the demi urge and all that stuff,
Speaker 6: and then uh, like, okay, is the Book of Being
Speaker 6: ag gnostic texts.
Speaker 4: It's apocryphal, not gnostic.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So I would I would argue differ there. I
Speaker 6: would argue that the Gospel of Thomas shouldn't be at
Speaker 6: the very least shouldn't be included in gnosticism because it
Speaker 6: just gets kind of lumped in with some of the
Speaker 6: other stuff. Because the Gospel of Thomas shares so much
Speaker 6: similarity with all of the other books and the Q stuff,
Speaker 6: which is different than the people who believe in like
Speaker 6: the demi Urge.
Speaker 7: So the Lost Gospel of Thomas is grounded in narcissism
Speaker 7: of philosophical and religious movement that emphasize secret knowledge as
Speaker 7: a path to salvation.
Speaker 4: This contract to orthodox Christianity view.
Speaker 7: That salvation comes to faith in Jesus and his sacrifice.
Speaker 7: So that's why I was seen as apocryph or heretical
Speaker 7: and wasn't added to the books. It's not like that's
Speaker 7: a book based in truth that was written about if
Speaker 7: I'm not mistaken in the three hundreds BC, if not
Speaker 7: even later.
Speaker 4: So there, I mean, that's the thing.
Speaker 7: That's why Gnostic conversations and why certain books weren't added
Speaker 7: to the final adaptation. And then there's the apocryphal, which
Speaker 7: is why like the Book of Jubilee, the Book of Asher,
Speaker 7: the Book of Enoch, and you know, those go more
Speaker 7: Old Testament conversation than you have the ones for New
Speaker 7: Testament conversation. But anything where it talks about secret forbidden
Speaker 7: knowledge is clearly not meant to be in the Bible
Speaker 7: because that's supposed to be free knowledge for all humanity.
Speaker 6: Well, what about the idea that Jesus UH taught different
Speaker 6: things to his disciples on the side in the canonized
Speaker 6: books like of the regular Bible and then different things
Speaker 6: to other people out in the uh like whenever he
Speaker 6: was out in public. So he had two different ways
Speaker 6: of talking to people. So he had one way that
Speaker 6: he would say which could be argued as secret teachings
Speaker 6: to his disciples and people that were close to him
Speaker 6: on the side, and then the parables and stuff out
Speaker 6: to the other people. So the idea that there was
Speaker 6: never any secret teachings or secret or teachings like that
Speaker 6: that shouldn't be included, I think just my opinion, because
Speaker 6: there are some secret teachings quote unquote alluded to in
Speaker 6: the Bible, I think that all of them necessarily shouldn't
Speaker 6: be thrown out.
Speaker 7: I don't think that's necessarily secret teachings like what you're thinking.
Speaker 7: I think that in public Jesus had to teach in
Speaker 7: parables because the Romans were after him, the Jews were
Speaker 7: after him, the Gentiles were after him, and he had
Speaker 7: to preach in a way to where he wasn't going
Speaker 7: to be arrested. The same thing whenever they asked him like, oh,
Speaker 7: so you're saying we shouldn't pay taxes, and it was
Speaker 7: like so if he would have said, yes, don't pay
Speaker 7: your taxes. That's not God's law. He would have been
Speaker 7: arrested for trying to incite revolt against Rome or trying
Speaker 7: to teach to go against the laws of Rome. So
Speaker 7: what was his answer to this, Give to Caesars with
Speaker 7: Caesar's and give to God's with his gods. That was
Speaker 7: a parabolic if you will answer, But it wasn't like
Speaker 7: that was like a secret meaning behind it. He was
Speaker 7: telling you, Caesar's face is on this coin, that's Caesar's.
Speaker 4: God didn't ask for your money. There's a reason behind
Speaker 4: all this.
Speaker 7: Now, in private, when he wasn't speaking to the masses,
Speaker 7: I'm sure he was trying to give his disciples the
Speaker 7: true intent. But that wasn't meant to be a secret teaching,
Speaker 7: because his disciples went out and taught in the ways
Speaker 7: that Jesus taught them to teach, and that's what spread
Speaker 7: the church. So I don't believe it's like secret in
Speaker 7: the same conversation that we're talking.
Speaker 4: About, is like forbidden knowledge or something like that, like
Speaker 4: nothing near.
Speaker 2: Then explain how a lot of his disciples decided to
Speaker 2: basically fall away and stop following him whenever he told
Speaker 2: them to eat of his flesh and drink of his
Speaker 2: blood because they were taking it literal. So there wasn't
Speaker 2: just because that he was worried about like he wasn't
Speaker 2: worry wried about the masks fell away like a majority
Speaker 2: of them.
Speaker 7: There was only twelve people at the last supper, which
Speaker 7: one of them fell away.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is before the last supper.
Speaker 7: The eating of the bread, blood, the drinking of the blood,
Speaker 7: and eating of the flesh. That was the last supper.
Speaker 7: So none fell away because most of his disciples are martyred. No, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: So whenever and correct me if I'm wrong. I only
Speaker 7: just recently sumbled across this information. I didn't I wasn't
Speaker 7: raised this way, so I could have things out of order.
Speaker 7: But how the story goes is that Jesus was he
Speaker 7: He fed the masses with the bread, right, and then
Speaker 7: he went fish and the fish right, and then he
Speaker 7: appeared somewhere else, like a long distance away, like across
Speaker 7: a lake or some shit, right. And that's whenever he
Speaker 7: was talking, And that's whenever he was talking to his
Speaker 7: disciples saying that you should eat of my eat of
Speaker 7: my flesh, and drink of my blood, and a lot
Speaker 7: of people, a lot of them decided to fall away
Speaker 7: from the story that I heard.
Speaker 2: They decided to fall away because they were taking him little.
Speaker 2: They were like, what the fuck is he's saying? And
Speaker 2: I guess only the initiated supposedly were able to get behind.
Speaker 2: You know that whole conversation.
Speaker 4: You are you are jumping all over the timeline on this.
Speaker 7: So when he gave his sermon where he fed the
Speaker 7: masks with the bread and the fish. Right after that
Speaker 7: he was going off to do some praying. His boys
Speaker 7: took a boat to try to get to the destination quicker.
Speaker 4: There was a storm.
Speaker 7: He walked on water to get to their boat. He
Speaker 7: calmed the storm, he got them to shore. This all happened.
Speaker 7: Now there is a large gap of time. He didn't
Speaker 7: like appear way away, Like he walked out to them
Speaker 7: as they were leaving the same spot. They diverged paths.
Speaker 7: But it's not like he like teleported to a new spot.
Speaker 4: Okay, for first.
Speaker 7: Off, whenever they say that they were shocked that he
Speaker 7: got that far in that in that amount of time. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I mean walking on water is something that would shock
Speaker 7: the fuck out of most people.
Speaker 4: I would agree with you for sure.
Speaker 2: I feel like you just agreed and disagreed with yourself.
Speaker 7: He didn't teleport, He walked out to them, but I
Speaker 7: guess you could say.
Speaker 4: Transported, not teleported.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not even feel lost about that.
Speaker 7: But then you're eating of the flesh and drinking of
Speaker 7: the blood that was specifically at the last Supper, and
Speaker 7: that was before he was taken by the guards to
Speaker 7: be crucified, So that only happened with his closest what
Speaker 7: would be his apostles, and none of them fell away
Speaker 7: because of that. Now, some of them kind of fell
Speaker 7: away quote unquote temporarily until he resurrected three days later
Speaker 7: and found them in the upper room. And then they
Speaker 7: went on to preach the gospel so heavily that most
Speaker 7: of them were tortured to death for their beliefs.
Speaker 2: Um Yes, many of Jesus's followers did abandon him after
Speaker 2: he said that they must eat his flesh and drink
Speaker 2: his blood. This happens in John six, and it's one
Speaker 2: of the most pivotal and misunderstood moments in the entire
Speaker 2: New Testament. So the literal account from John chapter six,
Speaker 2: verses fifty three through sixty six says Unless you eat
Speaker 2: the flesh of the Sun of Man and drink his blood,
Speaker 2: you have no life in you. Whoever feeds on my
Speaker 2: flesh and drinks of my blood has eternal life. Many
Speaker 2: A says, many of his disciples said, this is a
Speaker 2: hard saying. Who can accept it? After this, many of
Speaker 2: his disciples turned back and no longer walked with him.
Speaker 2: That's why I just said, okay, John six, you said,
Speaker 2: John literally John sixty six to six, Oh wow, kind
Speaker 2: of crazy six sixty six yep. John Chapter six.
Speaker 7: From that time is that was turned back in a
Speaker 7: long walk with And this marks a significant point in
Speaker 7: jesus ministry where many of his followers were challenged by
Speaker 7: his teaching on the need to eat his flesh and
Speaker 7: drink his blood to have eternal life. The challenge led
Speaker 7: to some of them deserting him and no longer following him.
Speaker 7: The context of this, the preceding verses John six point
Speaker 7: fifty one through fifty eight, Jesus had made a controversial
Speaker 7: statement about the importance of eating his flesh and drinking
Speaker 7: his blood to have eternal life. Okay, the desertion Versus
Speaker 7: sixty six describes them and all this Jesus question. Following this,
Speaker 7: Jesus turns to his remaining disciples, the twelve his apostles,
Speaker 7: and ask them, do you want to leave two?
Speaker 4: What was your original question, sir, oh.
Speaker 2: I just I just said that a lot of them
Speaker 2: fell off after they were taking him literal and they
Speaker 2: couldn't understand what he was trying to say that. My
Speaker 2: point was is that that wasn't something that he was
Speaker 2: saying because he was worried that the powers that be
Speaker 2: were going to flay him alive if he was to
Speaker 2: say it literally, and that's why he spoke in parables.
Speaker 2: He was saying that in a sense. One, yeah, in
Speaker 2: a sense it was almost like more meaningful, maybe you
Speaker 2: might say esoteric, maybe maybe a deeper meaning behind what
Speaker 2: he's really trying to say. He wasn't literally saying, come
Speaker 2: take a fucking bite out of my nipple. He was saying, like,
Speaker 2: like literally, fully immerse yourself in what I'm trying to
Speaker 2: tell you, right right.
Speaker 7: Right, Okay, I can see what you're going with this. Okay,
Speaker 7: So I think I misunderstood you. Whenever you said disciples,
Speaker 7: I thought you meant apostles, because he had more than
Speaker 7: just twelve disciples. He had twelve that were like his
Speaker 7: inner core, but he had like tons of disciples. Mary
Speaker 7: Magdalen was a disciple, but she wasn't an apostle kind
Speaker 7: of thing. So you know, my bad, I think I
Speaker 7: misheard you when you first said it. I'd be knowing shit,
Speaker 7: I'd be learning shit. I told you I was diving
Speaker 7: into this, no doubt, no doubt.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, Nicholas, No, I have been too while.
Speaker 6: I've got Jacob on this topic, always like picking his
Speaker 6: brain on this stuff. So whenever you're defining secret teachings,
Speaker 6: you were saying that it would be like something that
Speaker 6: somebody else was told that they had to have this
Speaker 6: secret knowledge in order to have something happen in.
Speaker 4: The scripture so attain salvation.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So there is an argument to be had that
Speaker 6: actually the author of the majority of the New Testament
Speaker 6: could be considered one of the first Gnostic writers in general,
Speaker 6: because the apostle Paul encounters Jesus on his own and
Speaker 6: is given this secret revelation that only he knows, and
Speaker 6: he gets all this message. Like that's different than essentially
Speaker 6: the apostle Paul comes in and is kind of preaching
Speaker 6: a different gospel than all of the disciples, and it
Speaker 6: doesn't really necessarily line up. And he's preaching, you know,
Speaker 6: salvation by faith alone, and you know, confessing Jesus and
Speaker 6: believing that Heroshenma dead, and you know, all this kind
Speaker 6: of stuff, and that all of this was told to
Speaker 6: him and him alone, and and he has I believe
Speaker 6: it even says that it was like secret knowledge given
Speaker 6: to him by Jesus and that now everyone has to
Speaker 6: listen to him. And this is the way it is
Speaker 6: moving forward, and none of the other stuff. Essentially, Matt
Speaker 6: because he has the new new.
Speaker 2: I actually have the quote here. This is in First
Speaker 2: Corinthians two. Well, First Corinthians, chapter two, verses six or seven.
Speaker 2: This is Paul's quote. We speak a message of wisdom
Speaker 2: among the mature, a secret wisdom that has been hidden
Speaker 2: in that God destined for our glory before time began.
Speaker 2: And then also said the mystery h This is in
Speaker 2: Colossians Colossians. How do you say that word?
Speaker 7: Colossians Colossians.
Speaker 2: The mystery that has been kept hidden for ages and generations,
Speaker 2: but is now disclosed to the Lord's people, which is
Speaker 2: Christ in you, the hope of glory. So that's kind
Speaker 2: of like, you know, some mysteries. It's like hidden mystery
Speaker 2: school or secret knowledge things. Though he's saying, like the
Speaker 2: secret that has been kept hidden until this time.
Speaker 4: And it's not that he was going necessarily.
Speaker 7: Against with the Apostles we're teaching, although he and Peter
Speaker 7: got into it.
Speaker 4: I should mention that, like, and.
Speaker 5: There's a wickedness.
Speaker 7: Because at a certain point, and he also gotta look
Speaker 7: at where he was writing too, right, Paul was out
Speaker 7: for the same goal, but on a different mission, if
Speaker 7: you will. The Apostles were told to start churches. I
Speaker 7: mean Paul was told to spread the word. Yes, he
Speaker 7: founded some churches along the way, but he wasn't overtly
Speaker 7: going against the teachings of the of the Apostles. He was.
Speaker 7: He wasn't trusted in the beginning, that's for damn sure.
Speaker 7: I mean he was killing a lot of them in
Speaker 7: the beginning of his life. But yeah, he was a
Speaker 7: bit of a rebel character as far as that's concerned.
Speaker 6: I just have a I just have a little contention
Speaker 6: with Paul personally, being that he is, you know, somebody
Speaker 6: who never met.
Speaker 5: Jesus in the flesh.
Speaker 6: I guess we'll say, if we if we believe the
Speaker 6: story of the the Road and whatnot. Never met Jesus was,
Speaker 6: you know, the the greatest perpetrator of you know, of
Speaker 6: Christians and whatnot, and uh and basically kind of overwrites
Speaker 6: all of the people who had firsthand knowledge of you know,
Speaker 6: the of Jesus and the specific things that he taught
Speaker 6: which were in alignment with I would say, the read letters.
Speaker 6: You know, I feel like the most the most people
Speaker 6: whenever they have their contentions with with some of the
Speaker 6: teachings in Christianity, it's not it's never really anything.
Speaker 5: That Jesus ever said or Jesus ever taught.
Speaker 6: It's usually something that Paul says about you or or
Speaker 6: and puts on to Christians. And you'll they'll even rebuke
Speaker 6: things that Christian that Jesus said with something that Paul says,
Speaker 6: which is like kind of you're never supposed to go
Speaker 6: against the grain with like the prophet before you.
Speaker 4: No, I agree with this onn percent.
Speaker 7: And it's when you look at Paul's words and his letters,
Speaker 7: it is very easy to cherry pick something. And so
Speaker 7: so many pastors that I have personally heard speak, as
Speaker 7: a matter of fact, will cherry pick a word from
Speaker 7: Paul and act as if that was a message to
Speaker 7: all of Christendom, never mind the fact that it was
Speaker 7: a letter written to this church at this location to
Speaker 7: address issues at that church at that location. Right, there's
Speaker 7: a I'm not saying like an esoteric meaning behind it.
Speaker 7: But you always got to look at the time, the place,
Speaker 7: in the audience when you're looking at the letters from Paul.
Speaker 7: But what I will say is this, as far as
Speaker 7: in the defense of him, and I understand the contention,
Speaker 7: I really really do. In mad respect, he never actually
Speaker 7: met Jesus face to face while Jesus was alive and
Speaker 7: was conducting his ministry, right, he met him on the
Speaker 7: road Damascus, and his glory wasn't in the flesh. I'm
Speaker 7: with you, howmuch you But Peter did and John the
Speaker 7: Beloved did, and they knew Paul after the fact when
Speaker 7: he was Saul of Tarsus and then became Paul, and
Speaker 7: they acknowledged that the experience he had, and they.
Speaker 4: Could say, oh, no, you met Jesus.
Speaker 7: From what you're telling me, I can confirm because I
Speaker 7: walked with him, I knew him.
Speaker 4: We can't together, we live together.
Speaker 7: This dude who was killing us all has absolutely seen
Speaker 7: Jesus for himself and they acknowledged him to be an
Speaker 7: apostle alongside them. Well, and to take that with what
Speaker 7: you want. But but this tells me that at least
Speaker 7: the guys what.
Speaker 2: This is like the correlation though, what he, what he
Speaker 2: and many others are trying to say, is that Paul
Speaker 2: has the way he's able to uh, you know, communicate
Speaker 2: or receive some kind of divine download from Jesus. It
Speaker 2: is very esoteric in that way, like and I mean
Speaker 2: esoteric in the sense of like think about the Nagamadi,
Speaker 2: right like if you if you've never read the Nagamati,
Speaker 2: you're not going to understand what we're trying to say.
Speaker 2: The Nagamadi in the way that Jesus speaks in the
Speaker 2: Nagamati is very different compared to the ones in the Bible,
Speaker 2: which which is why a lot of people.
Speaker 7: That's why they're gnostic, which is why they weren't added
Speaker 7: to the Bible correct.
Speaker 2: Which is why a lot of people don't deem them canonical.
Speaker 2: For that reason. However, there is a weird correlation in
Speaker 2: the books of John and in what Paul has to
Speaker 2: say that is very strikingly similar to a lot of
Speaker 2: the verbiage and a lot of the things that were
Speaker 2: said within the Nagamadi. And so whenever you see Paul, like,
Speaker 2: for example, there's a couple of quotes that I got
Speaker 2: from Paul that are very Nagamadi centric. Okay, I no
Speaker 2: longer live, but Christ lives in me. Never met him.
Speaker 2: Somehow he has that in him. Okay. Another one. I
Speaker 2: did not receive it from any man, nor was I
Speaker 2: taught it. Rather I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.
Speaker 2: This is gnostic, which gnosis means to know this is.
Speaker 2: This is not a belief, it's not a faith, It
Speaker 2: is a knowing. This is what the Gnostics have studied
Speaker 2: the longest time. This is what they're known for. It's
Speaker 2: that you don't take anybody else's word. You somehow are
Speaker 2: realized within it yourself. That is, go within, not without.
Speaker 2: That is that is Nagamadi, through.
Speaker 7: It through that is not with Gnostic teachings. Are what soever?
Speaker 7: Have you read the Nagamati. There's nothing about There's multiple
Speaker 7: books of the Nakamati. It's not like it's a pamphlet dog.
Speaker 7: There's multiple books that are associated with it.
Speaker 4: But all of the.
Speaker 2: Nakhamady was found in here going and saying the Nagamati
Speaker 2: was found in nineteen forty five.
Speaker 7: Yeah, there was a a book. It wasn't many many books.
Speaker 7: The Nakhamadi texts, that's a plural term texts.
Speaker 2: There are just like sixty six books in the Bible,
Speaker 2: but it's one book. That's how the Nagamadi is. Many
Speaker 2: of different books comprised and.
Speaker 7: Run right right, and all of those were gnostic, which
Speaker 7: is it's heretical. They completely go opposite of the direction
Speaker 7: that Jesus was trying to say.
Speaker 4: Have you read that?
Speaker 7: John?
Speaker 4: Have I personally know have you?
Speaker 7: Yeah? I've them.
Speaker 2: I've read them, not all of them, but I did
Speaker 2: a show on many of them, such as I mean,
Speaker 2: we've talked about the Gospel of Thomas, We've talked about
Speaker 2: the Gospel of Baron Magdalen.
Speaker 7: And there's there's reasons why those weren't added to the Bible.
Speaker 7: But yeah, I mean those you never rounds of scholars.
Speaker 7: You don't even know if there's tons of scholars I
Speaker 7: have what Okay, yes, but I also know of scholars
Speaker 7: who have done the research and have put out so
Speaker 7: many articles, so many videos, breaking down why the Gospel
Speaker 7: of Thomas is gnastick and wasn't at it, The Gospel
Speaker 7: of Mary Magdalene, the Gospel of Judas, all these extra
Speaker 7: gospels weren't at it because first of all, they were
Speaker 7: written centuries after the life of Christ, and also they
Speaker 7: go against all of it. One of them talks about
Speaker 7: Jesus went to Egypt and learned magic. One of them
Speaker 7: talks about how he wasn't actually crucified on the cross,
Speaker 7: it was his spirit that was crucified on the cross
Speaker 7: to make it look like it was him. Another one
Speaker 7: talking there's reasons why they weren't at it. They were
Speaker 7: basically the a third century equivalent of plagiarization.
Speaker 2: The Council of the Counts of Nicia created what we
Speaker 2: know today as the Bible in three hundred something, the
Speaker 2: same three hundred something around about time, I believe, maybe
Speaker 2: a decade or two even before the Bible was prize,
Speaker 2: that the Council of Nicea, that's whenever the Nagamadi was
Speaker 2: the the the Gnostic text were created. And actually, something
Speaker 2: that a lot of people bring up is is that
Speaker 2: you hear like there's a there's a lot of like
Speaker 2: offshoots of stories of Jesus. Like we've talked about him before.
Speaker 2: There's a Korean Jesus, there's a Australian Jesus. We hear
Speaker 2: about all these different stories. The Bible never mentions those.
Speaker 2: But the only time that it ever hotly debates reason,
Speaker 2: the only time that it ever hotly debates any other
Speaker 2: scripture that is talking about Jesus strictly is the Gnostics.
Speaker 2: That's the only time. So if it is so heretical
Speaker 2: and so crazy and so out of this world, why
Speaker 2: did they go out of their way to be able
Speaker 2: to try and disprove it in the first place. That's
Speaker 2: what's weird about it.
Speaker 4: Wait say that again. The only ones that talk about
Speaker 4: Jesus is the Gnostics.
Speaker 7: That's the only one you just said.
Speaker 2: That's the only one that the Church was really trying
Speaker 2: to disprove out of all the other stories that are
Speaker 2: found in all these different countries and all these different
Speaker 2: cultures about Jesus. That's what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 5: Yeah, everything else is or Gnostic, right basically.
Speaker 7: Not necessarily, but like there's a for first of the
Speaker 7: abortisms off of the Aboriginals of Australia, the ancient Romans
Speaker 7: didn't know they existed, Like that continent wasn't discovered by
Speaker 7: people in Europe until the eighteen hundreds. So like to
Speaker 7: say that they had a Jesus story, but those weren't
Speaker 7: added to it.
Speaker 2: It's like, well, no shit, I'm not talking about them.
Speaker 2: But dude, we've covered about how other countries literally have
Speaker 2: stories of Jesus going there. Now, whether it happened or not,
Speaker 2: it doesn't matter. I'm not even trying to prove that
Speaker 2: it did. But those stories are never really debated. The
Speaker 2: only stories that are ever highly debated are the Gnostic ones.
Speaker 2: And so what I'm trying to tell you before I
Speaker 2: even go any further, because you don't even know what
Speaker 2: the basis of the context of this Gnostic understanding actually
Speaker 2: is because you never read it yourself. You're only just
Speaker 2: taking it on the word of what you believe to
Speaker 2: be experts, which is not a really good way to
Speaker 2: debate anything if you're only going off the words of
Speaker 2: quote unquote experts and never having really delved into the
Speaker 2: information yourself. What I would suggest to you, sir, is
Speaker 2: if you actually get your hands on a Nagamadi and.
Speaker 7: Read through it, don't even go through it with you
Speaker 7: actually bring it, bring.
Speaker 2: Your your mind that you have right now. Oh this
Speaker 2: is heretical, Oh this is bullshit. Go through each line
Speaker 2: and you just have that. But read it, read it
Speaker 2: and listen to what I'm trying to say. There's a
Speaker 2: Gnostic understanding with it, which is gnosis, which is a knowing,
Speaker 2: which is what the Gnostics were trying to teach. And
Speaker 2: then there's another council of nicea Roman Empire type bullshit
Speaker 2: that was trying to force everybody to believe or have faith.
Speaker 2: There is no knowing. This is where the divide is.
Speaker 2: That's the point that I'm trying to make. Sorry, I'm
Speaker 2: off my high horse.
Speaker 7: Now, No, I just I'm really tired of having religious
Speaker 7: debates on a conspiracy show. It's like, we can't help
Speaker 7: ourselves but to end up back on these conversations.
Speaker 4: But to further this point, fine, fine, we can go there.
Speaker 7: Do you know why the hotly debated ones are the
Speaker 7: Gnostic texts as opposed to the canonical books, because those
Speaker 7: are the ones that were in the area when, uh,
Speaker 7: what's the Sinai Bible, As Ben Carson says, what we'd
Speaker 7: now call Codex Sinaticus was first comprised, okay the Robin
Speaker 7: Emperor can Constantian, who was like, like, yo, I want
Speaker 7: to make this the were official religion of Rome.
Speaker 4: We need to do this. What books are there?
Speaker 7: Because there were tons of books out there, the Gospel
Speaker 7: of Judas, the Gospel of Mary Magdalen, the Gospel of Mark,
Speaker 7: all these books are floating around. He's like, okay, if
Speaker 7: we're gonna make this the official religion, we got to
Speaker 7: put together a book of what is and is not
Speaker 7: the truth.
Speaker 4: There's tons of words going around. We need to get
Speaker 4: it together here.
Speaker 7: So we got all of the church follows that he
Speaker 7: could find, and they got together and they looked in
Speaker 7: this said okay. These books are a part of the
Speaker 7: original documentation. These are either from eyewitnesses or one to
Speaker 7: two generations removed from the eyewitnesses.
Speaker 4: They follow in line with the story and the teachings.
Speaker 7: Cool things these books over here, and for the record,
Speaker 7: some of them I disagree with. Some of them I
Speaker 7: think should have been added to the Bible, but weren't.
Speaker 7: For instance, the Book of Enoch, the Book of Jubilee,
Speaker 7: the Book of Asher. I am of the belief that
Speaker 7: that should have been added to the Old Testament.
Speaker 4: They weren't. I had no word in this I wasn't there.
Speaker 7: But they took all of the apocryphal texts and all
Speaker 7: of the Gnostic texts and they decided which did and
Speaker 7: did not belong in the official word. Yeah, there's a
Speaker 7: reason why those are debated, because those were there at
Speaker 7: the time and place when this council was put together.
Speaker 2: Listen, listen to what I'm trying to say. I'm not
Speaker 2: trying to debate you on this topic. What I'm trying
Speaker 2: to show.
Speaker 4: That's all you ever do.
Speaker 20: Bro.
Speaker 2: First of all, you're the one that brought up religion
Speaker 2: in this whole conversation in the first place. Let's just be.
Speaker 7: Reallycitated now, not bring up religion on this episode. I
Speaker 7: came late. What I wasn't doing.
Speaker 2: Shit, he card back right now, because when we were
Speaker 2: talking about when humanity was first started, you were the
Speaker 2: first one to say that the Bible really we don't know,
Speaker 2: it's all word of mouth. We don't know when it
Speaker 2: was written. Did if I can say that? Or was
Speaker 2: that a you thing?
Speaker 7: I didn't bring up the creation of humanity. I answered
Speaker 7: a question that was proposed, and you brought it up
Speaker 7: in a religious manner. Yeah, your name, so was the
Speaker 7: first person born who brought it up?
Speaker 4: Adam wasn't the first. I don't know.
Speaker 7: It wasn't me, I answered, I'm not saying you asked it,
Speaker 7: but Jesus Christ, dude, Adam was born on the eighth day,
Speaker 7: humanity was on the sixth day.
Speaker 4: It's not my fault.
Speaker 7: He didn't do that.
Speaker 2: Jacob, Listen, Nope, Like, I know that you're a religious person,
Speaker 2: but I don't want you to think that anybody is
Speaker 2: attacking you. You take it so personal, feel attacked. It's
Speaker 2: a conversation, that's all it is. Nobody's saying that it's
Speaker 2: stupid or whatever. We're just trying to show a different
Speaker 2: perspective that we, you know, genuinely want to see what
Speaker 2: you have to say about it. And it's not to
Speaker 2: say that like we're not coming at you and saying
Speaker 2: this is bullshit or anything. We're showing a different perspective.
Speaker 2: And so, eh, my perspective here is that if you
Speaker 2: were to go back, and you were to go back
Speaker 2: in the time of the three hundreds, when we talked
Speaker 2: about the Council of Nicea and we talked about the
Speaker 2: Gnostic text. Think about it like this. Whenever they were
Speaker 2: trying to bring all these books together, were they doing
Speaker 2: it because they really cared about Jesus so much, or
Speaker 2: were they trying to enforce it via control because it
Speaker 2: was the leaders that were bringing this book together. And
Speaker 2: if you were to insert the Gnostic text, then it
Speaker 2: would have people coming to their own enlightening, because that's
Speaker 2: all the Gnostic texts were all talking about. It wasn't
Speaker 2: saying that God is outside of you. It wasn't saying
Speaker 2: that Jesus was the savior. It wasn't saying that you
Speaker 2: had to wait for somebody to come and save you.
Speaker 7: All.
Speaker 2: That's why I was trying to say that you need
Speaker 2: to look into it and see what it says to
Speaker 2: be able to get a different perspective.
Speaker 7: By your argument, I can't speak on the Gnostic text
Speaker 7: because I've never read them, so your argument, I can't
Speaker 7: speak on anything medical because I'm not a doctor, even
Speaker 7: though I can look at what doctors say, and I
Speaker 7: could look at medical sciences and I could like speak
Speaker 7: on some things. I don't know it all, but like
Speaker 7: I've heard from experts on certain things, and I feel
Speaker 7: with the decent amount of a surety that tailanaw does
Speaker 7: help inflammation. Like I could say that, but I can't
Speaker 7: say that because I'm not a doctor. You're the same logic.
Speaker 7: You just no, no, no, you're only because I look at scholars.
Speaker 7: Your only quote unquote research is what other people have
Speaker 7: to say about it.
Speaker 2: That's my point. Whenever we do research into COVID, we're
Speaker 2: looking at all the different articles, We're looking at what
Speaker 2: everybody's saying. We're not only looking at experts, We're looking
Speaker 2: at you know, uh fucking holistic teachings and all that
Speaker 2: other shit, right, Like, it's not just one point of view.
Speaker 2: That's the point I'm trying to make is that you
Speaker 2: have a very narrow understanding about what it is we're
Speaker 2: talking about. With the Gnostics. It's just narrow. It's not
Speaker 2: it's not, you know, all encompassing.
Speaker 7: So if I was to comprise a list of all
Speaker 7: the Gnic gospels and explain why each of them weren't
Speaker 7: put into the Bible and how they are heretical, would
Speaker 7: you leave it alone at that point and understand why
Speaker 7: I don't believe that they are canonical and why they're
Speaker 7: not something that we need to apply to our lives.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying no one should read them because they're satiric.
Speaker 4: I didn't say that.
Speaker 7: I didn't say that at all. Okay, I believe that
Speaker 7: you should be able to read the what's the one
Speaker 7: the bag of a gear that you're talking about, Read
Speaker 7: it absolutely, Read that. Excuse me if I mispronounced it. Okay,
Speaker 7: the Nasa Gospels. Read them absolutely, see what they were
Speaker 7: talking about. But it should be very clear by reading them,
Speaker 7: how and why these are not in line with what
Speaker 7: actual Jesus was teaching, and how these are plagarized forgeries
Speaker 7: written about way later, and why they weren't added to
Speaker 7: the actual Bible.
Speaker 4: That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 2: Let me draw a comparison here so that maybe you'll
Speaker 2: try to begin to understand understand the perspective, because I
Speaker 2: feel like you're not getting the perspective the perspective that
Speaker 2: I'm trying.
Speaker 4: I understand what you're saying.
Speaker 7: It's lost knowledge in God's within all of us, and
Speaker 7: there's more than one way to salvation.
Speaker 4: I disagree with that.
Speaker 2: What I'm trying to say is is if we're looking
Speaker 2: at the Council of Nicea, who composed all of the
Speaker 2: books into what is now known as the Bible, which
Speaker 2: was in the three hundred.
Speaker 4: I don't believe that was done to control the masses.
Speaker 7: I know that that's a argument, and I understand why
Speaker 7: people would believe that that's the case.
Speaker 4: I disagree with it, that's all.
Speaker 2: Was it the leaders that were doing that or was
Speaker 2: it like your regular poor people that were doing that. Also,
Speaker 2: the Gnostics had nothing. That was the early the nstal
Speaker 2: thing the game. They never got rich, they never got famous,
Speaker 2: they never got anything. As a matter of fact, they
Speaker 2: were hunted.
Speaker 7: They were not hunted at all.
Speaker 5: Actually they murdered.
Speaker 2: They were absolutely not.
Speaker 4: In ancient Rome.
Speaker 7: Later on, if you're talking like the Cathars and shit,
Speaker 7: yeah they were hunted and like it was brutal and
Speaker 7: genocide type conversation. But like the Gnostic conversation, why did
Speaker 7: they do these things? I don't believe that they were
Speaker 7: doing it for a get it's quick scheme by any means.
Speaker 7: My point is is that if we compare it to today,
Speaker 7: and I know that that is very skewed, but that's
Speaker 7: the only thing that I know.
Speaker 2: I have only lived in today's age. If we compare
Speaker 2: it to today, you're essentially saying the elites of the
Speaker 2: world got it right, and the people that were questioning
Speaker 2: it are absolutely wrong.
Speaker 7: So you believe that the Council of nicea first and
Speaker 7: second half that was government officials, that's who was speaking.
Speaker 2: Not even necessarily government officials, but just those in power.
Speaker 2: Would how do you disagree with that? I believe it
Speaker 2: was the early church fathers.
Speaker 7: I don't believe that it was the positions of power
Speaker 7: trying to rule humanity.
Speaker 4: That's what I'm saying. This is where I disagree.
Speaker 2: Okay, I mean, and that's the thing. It was the Church,
Speaker 2: which Jesus was not a fan of.
Speaker 7: Right, This wasn't what you would think of with big
Speaker 7: c Catholic. Okay, this is the very early form of Christendom.
Speaker 7: This is before they had all the dog and pony
Speaker 7: show for the Catholic Mass and all these things. It wasn't.
Speaker 7: This wasn't the control tactic that people think it was.
Speaker 7: This is back when people were still literally fifteen years
Speaker 7: before it became the national religion of Rome. They were
Speaker 7: being executed for being Christian Like. These were people that
Speaker 7: were conducting church services and I'm using that term with
Speaker 7: quotes and very loosely in secret for fear of being
Speaker 7: killed and becoming martyrs. Like, it's not This wasn't what
Speaker 7: you're thinking of with the grand shebang of a Roman
Speaker 7: Catholic mass that came much later.
Speaker 2: I mean something had to be a precursor to what
Speaker 2: that inevitably became, wouldn't you say?
Speaker 7: That would be the liturgical liturgical essence of Alexandria, which
Speaker 7: was much much much later.
Speaker 2: So the people that comprised it at the Council of Nice.
Speaker 7: Council of Nicea. Yeah, that wasn't a Roman Catholic thing.
Speaker 7: That was a Christian thing.
Speaker 2: Okay, you can say Christian, but like which Christians.
Speaker 7: At this time there was not a denomination thereof there
Speaker 7: was followers of Christ, that was it. Hmmm who Now
Speaker 7: the Catholic Church will claim that this was the beginning
Speaker 7: of the Roman Catholic Church, but the Eastern Orthodox would
Speaker 7: say that this is the beginning of the Apostolic Church,
Speaker 7: and the Ethiopian Coptics would say that this is their
Speaker 7: version of the beginning of the Apostolic Church. It's it
Speaker 7: doesn't matter we throw our modern day monikers on it.
Speaker 7: But at this time, these denominations and sects of Christianity
Speaker 7: hadn't splintered off yet it was in Rome. So I
Speaker 7: guess there's that argument to say it was Roman Catholic.
Speaker 7: But it's not what we're thinking of with Like all
Speaker 7: of the the Vatican wasn't a.
Speaker 4: Thing yet, you know what I mean. All of this
Speaker 4: was much much later.
Speaker 2: The first, the first Council of Nicea was called by
Speaker 2: Emperor Constantine, the first, the first Roman emperor to convert
Speaker 2: to Christianity. It's but it's before I just said, but
Speaker 2: it's before the Roman.
Speaker 7: The Roman Catholic Church. Yeah, he was a Roman emperor,
Speaker 7: not a Roman pope.
Speaker 2: And the goal, like I said, and it says that
Speaker 2: the goal was to unify Christian doctrine across the empire
Speaker 2: and end internal disputes, especially about the nature of Jesus.
Speaker 2: This was not a gathering of Jesus's apostles or early followers.
Speaker 2: It was a political theological summit uh nearly three hundred
Speaker 2: years after Jesus' time.
Speaker 7: Agreed. Like I said, the early Church fathers, they didn't
Speaker 7: grab Roman senators and bring them in to decide which
Speaker 7: books should and shouldn't be added. So they brought the
Speaker 7: Church fathers who so clause know.
Speaker 2: In the World Economic Forum all got together and said,
Speaker 2: here's the truth.
Speaker 4: We got it.
Speaker 7: We're gonna save you.
Speaker 5: That's what we're saying.
Speaker 7: This is why we can never get anywhere. Dude, I
Speaker 7: just said early church fathers, the dudes that were like
Speaker 7: trying to convert Pagans to Christians. You're saying it was
Speaker 7: obviously the Roman politicians, Like, no, no, no, it was
Speaker 7: done for that reason.
Speaker 4: I'll give you that.
Speaker 7: He just made it the national religion of Rome when
Speaker 7: fucked twenty years prior it was illegal to be a Christian.
Speaker 2: He saw Christianity as a tool to unify the Roman Empire.
Speaker 7: Because it was growing so fast that he couldn't stop it.
Speaker 2: You don't see how there couldn't have been fuckery either, again,
Speaker 2: do you?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 7: I'm not saying there couldn't have been fuckery. But you
Speaker 7: could also look at the early accounts of not Rome.
Speaker 7: You could look at the early accounts of even the
Speaker 7: secular authors, and they talk about this new Christ's cult
Speaker 7: that was growing in such numbers that it couldn't be
Speaker 7: like reputed.
Speaker 4: And even though you could try killing.
Speaker 7: Them all, you could try feeding them all the lions
Speaker 7: and the Roman candles and all these things.
Speaker 4: Somehow they just kept growing.
Speaker 7: So it got to a point that he was basically like, Okay,
Speaker 7: either we try to make this a thing, or they're
Speaker 7: going to overtake us and we have more problems.
Speaker 2: So it says why is this controversial? Because it marked
Speaker 2: the moment when spiritual teaching became a political doctrine, the
Speaker 2: church started aligning with imperial power. Alternate Christianities such as
Speaker 2: Gnostic Ebonite, Ariyan marcion Kite were declared heretical, and many
Speaker 2: at that time argued that the Council of Nicia didn't
Speaker 2: find the truth it voted on it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and the Ebionites those were like the scenes which
Speaker 6: were like the they made Nazarene Christianity illegal, and like
Speaker 6: there's an argument to be said that, like they picked
Speaker 6: the version of Christianity because there was, like, like you
Speaker 6: just said, a bunch of different groups of Christians like
Speaker 6: worshiping in different kind of ways, and it seems like
Speaker 6: they picked the one that most aligned with their narrative.
Speaker 2: I guess right, right, It says, so a group of
Speaker 2: politically pressured bishops led by a led by a pagan
Speaker 2: turned Christian emperor defining what Christianity must be not necessarily
Speaker 2: what it originally was.
Speaker 4: Are you reading off of Chad Gpt?
Speaker 7: Yeah, okay, just asking none of this is like a
Speaker 7: quote from Well, I'm not saying that to like disparage it.
Speaker 7: I'm just saying I didn't know if this is like
Speaker 7: a quote from a scholar or like, if this is
Speaker 7: like the all encomassing of what the Internet says, I'm not.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure I can ask for the reference
Speaker 2: as to where they're getting it from, but that I mean,
Speaker 2: at that point, it's like I don't know. And look,
Speaker 2: I'm not trying, I'm just I'm just trying to point
Speaker 2: out that there is Back then, at the very least,
Speaker 2: there was way more than one way to skin a
Speaker 2: cat to the story, and then the Council of Nicea
Speaker 2: comes and now there's only one way and every other
Speaker 2: way is heretical. And you choose to not even you
Speaker 2: choose to not even look into something because that religion
Speaker 2: tells you that it's heretical. Don't even look into it.
Speaker 2: That's That's where I'm like, you know, when since when
Speaker 2: is like knowledge bad? When is wisdom bad? When is
Speaker 2: more information bad? Like maybe we should take all of
Speaker 2: it in to really get a greater understanding of the
Speaker 2: whole story, because you're getting a piece of the story.
Speaker 7: I can name a few examples where there is such
Speaker 7: a thing as too much knowledge, right, you think about
Speaker 7: if they kept working towards if they could, they never
Speaker 7: stopped to ask if they should. There's tons of examples
Speaker 7: of that. But that's that's gonna detract from the conversation.
Speaker 7: Hold on real quick, Austin, Your hand is gone up
Speaker 7: and down a few times. Brother, Go ahead.
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say, like, if you were gonna
Speaker 1: try and to control a growing group of people, what
Speaker 1: would be a better way than to control the books
Speaker 1: they were able to read. That's all I'm saying that
Speaker 1: I agree with Conathan in this way, shape and form,
Speaker 1: that it is a way to control the populace. That's
Speaker 1: all I'm saying.
Speaker 7: I see that.
Speaker 4: No, No, I absolutely see that.
Speaker 7: And there's tons of argument to be made for all religion,
Speaker 7: not just Christianity, but all religion to be a source
Speaker 7: of controlling the masses and keeping them not necessarily scared
Speaker 7: of the government's reach, but scared of what will happen
Speaker 7: to their eternal soul if they still out of line.
Speaker 7: I see the argument, and I'm not negating it. I
Speaker 7: am saying that I respectfully disagree. I believe that this
Speaker 7: book gives you freedom, it does not bind you in chains.
Speaker 4: That's just my perspective.
Speaker 2: Well, it's free will kind of you're born with that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but it's like you have free will, but it's kind
Speaker 2: of an illusion of free will because if you choose
Speaker 2: not to go with the Holy Word, then there is punishment.
Speaker 2: So it's kind of an illusion of free will in
Speaker 2: a sense according to the doctrine.
Speaker 7: Isn't that what karma believes as well? You could do
Speaker 7: what you want, but there's gonna be consequences.
Speaker 2: Well sure, but karma works both.
Speaker 7: Ways, so okay, fair, So what are we talking about here. Yeah,
Speaker 7: we are born with free will. There's consequences for all actions,
Speaker 7: both positive and negative. That's literally what the book tells us.
Speaker 7: You do the right thing, there there's gifts and glory
Speaker 7: to be had, and if you do the wrong thing,
Speaker 7: there is punishments to be doled out. That's naming a
Speaker 7: religion that doesn't have that in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2: Not gonna lie. I tried taking a nap before the
Speaker 2: show because I was a little tired. Oh man, I'm
Speaker 2: all hopped up on Mountain dew.
Speaker 4: Let's go, baby, I can tell.
Speaker 7: And for the record, no, I haven't read all the
Speaker 7: Gnostic Gospels, but I have read into them before I
Speaker 7: have not start to finish. I've seen excerpts. I've seen
Speaker 7: certain things within them that definitely rhyme and sound very
Speaker 7: much like what Jesus was saying. And I've seen certain
Speaker 7: quotes that are clearly not within the realm of what
Speaker 7: Jesus was saying. And there's, like I said, there's reasons
Speaker 7: why they weren't added. But the earliest that we have
Speaker 7: because Constantine, like like you said, turned Rome into a
Speaker 7: Christian nation, and he had to try to find a
Speaker 7: way to organize what was going on because they had
Speaker 7: all these breakoff sects of Christianity, and so he wanted
Speaker 7: to get all of these these books, these scrolls, all
Speaker 7: of the shit and compile it to one book that
Speaker 7: we could use as the steps moving forward. What should
Speaker 7: be added, what shouldn't be added. This guy is saying
Speaker 7: that Jesus was black. This guy is saying that Jesus
Speaker 7: actually went and't crucified. Where where's the truth in all
Speaker 7: of this? Where are we drawing these comparisons from. Get
Speaker 7: me every single scrap of evidence and paper that you
Speaker 7: can find on this. Guy.
Speaker 4: Let's bring it together.
Speaker 7: Let's get some educated dudes in on this, Let's get
Speaker 7: the church fathers in on this, and let's try to
Speaker 7: formulate this into a book.
Speaker 4: They formed it into a series of codexes.
Speaker 7: Codex Sinaticus is one of these books that we believe
Speaker 7: was these books that were like formed under the direct
Speaker 7: order of Constantine.
Speaker 2: Okay, no, I get it, that's the official narrative. I'm
Speaker 2: just you know, I'm I'm an alternative kind of guy.
Speaker 2: Uh Nicholas, you had your handle there, sir? What's up?
Speaker 5: I've always had this or wanted to propose this question.
Speaker 5: I guess so.
Speaker 6: Is the Bible essentially is looked at as like the infallible,
Speaker 6: you know, word of God or God inspired word all
Speaker 6: the way across the board, and that was decided obviously
Speaker 6: by people, a person, a group of people or whatever.
Speaker 6: I feel like, I don't know, is there any person
Speaker 6: that you could name today, in this day and age
Speaker 6: that would be qualified to determine what text is the
Speaker 6: Word of God today? Or if like say, somebody wanted
Speaker 6: to add or remove something from the book that people
Speaker 6: put together. Is there someone in this day and age
Speaker 6: that's qualified to determine God's word adding or subtracting or
Speaker 6: just in general, does anyone have that authority now?
Speaker 7: In my humble opinion, just Jacob speaking on behalf of Jacob,
Speaker 7: I don't believe that anybody has the authority to take
Speaker 7: away or add to the world of God currently.
Speaker 5: Now, Okay, so.
Speaker 6: Men had that authority in three hundred and twenty five eighty.
Speaker 7: They were just compiling the words and figuring out what
Speaker 7: was and was not divinely inspired.
Speaker 6: But that's my point, is I guess is men bless
Speaker 6: and blood, men were making the determination of this is
Speaker 6: divinely inspired, this comes from God and this one does not.
Speaker 6: And if if they had that authority now, then then
Speaker 6: they should have it now or vice versa. I feel
Speaker 6: like there's kind of like a disconnect to.
Speaker 7: Where like a double standard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a double standard of like, Okay, what man
Speaker 6: can decide what God? What words on a page came
Speaker 6: from God? What gives them the authority to decide that?
Speaker 6: And how was that agreed upon then? And it's clasphemous now.
Speaker 7: So I'll give you an example of one to where
Speaker 7: you really it's like, who gave them that authority? I
Speaker 7: hear you, one hundred percent to hear you, But I
Speaker 7: would argue that the vast majority of these books say
Speaker 7: things within them that it's clear of why they weren't added.
Speaker 4: I'll give you an example. Okay, it is understood.
Speaker 7: That Jesus was never married, never had kids, never committed
Speaker 7: a sin, never lost it after a woman, he never
Speaker 7: had sex, any of these things.
Speaker 4: Okay, it's an understood truth.
Speaker 7: Now. I know there's gonna be people that disagree with
Speaker 7: that because they watched the DaVinci Code one.
Speaker 4: Two many times. Neither here, no there, neither heard, no there.
Speaker 4: If you had a Gnostic.
Speaker 7: Text or any text that was period dated to that
Speaker 7: timeframe that said that Jesus had a wife, well clearly
Speaker 7: this entire book doesn't need to be added because this
Speaker 7: is incorrect. Or another example, we understand that Jesus was
Speaker 7: crucified on the cross, okay, and then his body was buried,
Speaker 7: and then he rose again from the grave later on.
Speaker 7: If you have a text correctly period dated to the
Speaker 7: time and all the stuff that says that Jesus wasn't
Speaker 7: actually crucified, but the image of Jesus being crucified, it
Speaker 7: was his spirit that was crucified was on the cross,
Speaker 7: not the actual Jesus. Well, that's incorrect, and it's not
Speaker 7: like you need some sort of special authority from God
Speaker 7: to be able to point that out. There's a reason
Speaker 7: why these books were not added, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 7: And it's not like you absolutely needed some sort of
Speaker 7: a divine blessing to say this is the truth, this
Speaker 7: is not the truth. It was understood that certain things
Speaker 7: were clearly not added, or certain things were not true,
Speaker 7: and certain things were. Now that doesn't mean that there
Speaker 7: wasn't certain truths within these gnostic texts, because it's not
Speaker 7: like they were completely set out to besmirch the name
Speaker 7: of Jesus like at all. Right, these guys claimed that
Speaker 7: they were followers of Jesus, but they were followers of
Speaker 7: a plagiarize and forgery. And that's why these things weren't
Speaker 7: done this way. And it wasn't forgery to the same
Speaker 7: context that we think of today. Back in this day,
Speaker 7: you wouldn't be a forgerer by copying certain words and
Speaker 7: putting your name at the bottom. You would put a
Speaker 7: certain person's name that was there to lead in credence
Speaker 7: to this book, which is why, like the Gospel of Judas,
Speaker 7: whoever wrote that is not going to put the Gospel
Speaker 7: of Judas according to some jude you've never heard of
Speaker 7: before dot dot dot named John Smith. They're going to
Speaker 7: just leave it as the lost Gospel of Mary Magdalen
Speaker 7: and just roll with it that way. That was a
Speaker 7: way to lend credence to it. But again, when you
Speaker 7: look into them and look at them as compared to
Speaker 7: the Gospels, and you look at them as to the
Speaker 7: life of Jesus, there's not really much that could be
Speaker 7: said in favor of them.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I feel that I was just asking that because
Speaker 6: I was if you could read some of the Gnostics
Speaker 6: or you know that kind of those texts side by
Speaker 6: side with scripture from the Bible, and if you know,
Speaker 6: no one told you the difference, you would read it
Speaker 6: and say well this, you know, this vibe is with me.
Speaker 6: And then and then I could say, well, I'd read
Speaker 6: this one from the Bible, and you'd be like, hell, no,
Speaker 6: that's kind of fucked up, right.
Speaker 5: Some of some you know, you know, some.
Speaker 6: Of the stuff that people would use and except one
Speaker 6: is is heretical that you agree with, and one is
Speaker 6: like abhoor it that is in the Bible that's technically
Speaker 6: you know about like you know, no, I know, it's
Speaker 6: one of the bad things, you know what I mean,
Speaker 6: It's like it's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, I know what you're What you're trying to
Speaker 2: say is essentially like the and the whole idea behind
Speaker 2: the Gnostics is the Gnostic text is that whenever you
Speaker 2: read it, it rings true to you know, whatever it
Speaker 2: is that connects you to God or the source, whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call it, Like there's something that whenever
Speaker 2: you read it, you're like that actually makes a lot
Speaker 2: of sense on a deeper level. Whereas you know a
Speaker 2: lot of the Bible, would you know, it's kind of
Speaker 2: like you have to be raised with that kind of
Speaker 2: knowledge in order for it to be ringing true. You're
Speaker 2: not just going to stumble across the Bible. Let's say
Speaker 2: you stumble across the Bible at thirty five. I'm thirty five,
Speaker 2: and let's say I never read any part of the
Speaker 2: Bible or anything like that, and if I was to
Speaker 2: read some of that, I'd be like the fuck were
Speaker 2: they on back then?
Speaker 8: You know?
Speaker 2: What I'm saying. But if you look into the Gnostics,
Speaker 2: it's more of like, well, it's you don't even have
Speaker 2: to take it on faith, you don't have to take
Speaker 2: it on belief, Like it's something about it that just
Speaker 2: rhyme's true to you. And that's kind of what he
Speaker 2: was saying. And by the way, the Nagamati scriptures, they
Speaker 2: do not imply that Jesus and Mary Magdalene were married.
Speaker 2: It's just that they had.
Speaker 4: A Gospel of Mary Magdalen or whatever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's well, the Gospel of Mary Magdalene is in
Speaker 2: the Nagamati. But oh fuck, it's that that they never
Speaker 2: they never, they were never actually married, but that they
Speaker 2: had a u. It says that it does imply strongly
Speaker 2: an intimate and spiritually significant relationship between Jesus and Mary Magdalene,
Speaker 2: but they do not directly say that they were married.
Speaker 2: So everybody knows. So that is from Chatchi people.
Speaker 4: So let me make sure I hear this right. Yeah,
Speaker 4: let me make sure I get this right here.
Speaker 7: So you're saying that the heretical books speak more soundly
Speaker 7: to the human mind than the book that we should
Speaker 7: be trying to conform ourselves too. Yeah, that makes sense
Speaker 7: to me out loud. One book is divinely inspired and
Speaker 7: we should be doing everything we can to conform ourselves
Speaker 7: to what it sells us to do. The other one
Speaker 7: is not divinely inspired, and you're saying that it sings
Speaker 7: more to the human easet those like when you need it.
Speaker 2: That checks out when you read it. It doesn't take
Speaker 2: a rocket scientist to piece one and two together. That's
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to say. With the Bible, you have
Speaker 2: to know the history of this, you have to connect
Speaker 2: it to the history of that. It's a bunch of
Speaker 2: fucking you know, depends on a corkboard kind of situation
Speaker 2: in order to try and understand it from every single
Speaker 2: possible angle. That's what I'm trying to say. It's like
Speaker 2: the idea and think about it like this. You know,
Speaker 2: we just read it from earlier that from Paul and
Speaker 2: even from Jesus himself that Christ is within you, right.
Speaker 2: And if Christ is within you, of course a lot
Speaker 2: of this information would ring true because it's literally Christ
Speaker 2: within you, right, And that's kind of the point that
Speaker 2: I'm trying to make. And so either Christ is within
Speaker 2: you or he isn't. But if he is, then for
Speaker 2: some reason, this out of order kind of weird meanings
Speaker 2: are supposed to make more sense. I don't know.
Speaker 7: That's kind of the point behind the agnostic. I think
Speaker 7: you have to ask Christ to live within you. I
Speaker 7: don't think that that's just inherently within you. Now, when
Speaker 7: it talks about in the chapter of Luke where it
Speaker 7: says the spirit or the breath of God is within
Speaker 7: all man, that would be another synonym for possibly like
Speaker 7: your soul, there is a soul within all man, which
Speaker 7: is the breath of God, the spirit of God. But
Speaker 7: that doesn't mean if you go internal hard enough that
Speaker 7: you'll get divine enlightenment from God himself. That's a different conversation. Yes, yeah,
Speaker 7: I know me and you disagree on that.
Speaker 2: It's just a different way of interpreting it, that's all.
Speaker 2: And that's when I don't know.
Speaker 12: I I.
Speaker 2: There's there's like a lot of them, like you know,
Speaker 2: we've talked about, like even Luke Luke chapter seventeen, the
Speaker 2: Kingdom of God is not coming with signs to be observed.
Speaker 2: For behold, the Kingdom of God is within you. Jesus
Speaker 2: said that, yes, the Kingdom of God.
Speaker 7: And in other translations it's the spirit of God, and
Speaker 7: in the correct original translation, it's the breath of God.
Speaker 4: It's literally what I was just talking about.
Speaker 5: Uh right, r right, breath God, right right.
Speaker 6: You know that's why I say bless you is because
Speaker 6: the uh when you sneeze, it's an involuntary loss of breath,
Speaker 6: which is the thing that animates you. So they're covering
Speaker 6: your back whenever breath comes out.
Speaker 4: I didn't know that that's where it came from.
Speaker 7: That dope. Yeah, dirty Dan, dirty sand Yes, excuse me,
Speaker 7: your hand is raised, Sam, I see your hand raised
Speaker 7: to I'm gonna get to your next brother.
Speaker 2: One more quote before you get going, Jesus is quote
Speaker 2: you have what I have. You just haven't realized it yet.
Speaker 7: Yeah. He said, you'll be able to do all that
Speaker 7: I can do and more. And his disciples and his
Speaker 7: apostles after his death went and laid hands on people
Speaker 7: and healed the sick and like all the same stuff.
Speaker 4: For sure, he was again, who was he speaking to?
Speaker 7: Was he speaking to the entirety of the world or
Speaker 7: was he speaking to his apostles at that time and place,
Speaker 7: we got to look at time place, audience, do you
Speaker 7: this is the context that makes the difference. I mean, I.
Speaker 2: Don't know anyway, Dirty Sanchez, sorry about that. Go ahead, dear, Yeah.
Speaker 3: No worries.
Speaker 14: One of the things I struggle with in the Bible.
Speaker 14: And I do believe that Jesus is my savior, but
Speaker 14: I often go back and forth about like who they
Speaker 14: say the Antichrist is going to be or just his characteristics.
Speaker 14: And I looked it up just a second ago, so
Speaker 14: I could actually have But in Daniel eleven it talks
Speaker 14: about how he will have no desire for women or
Speaker 14: gods or anything like that because he will see hisself
Speaker 14: above those. And in our Bible it says that he
Speaker 14: was not married, did not have girl I don't know
Speaker 14: ab our girlfriends, but didn't have children and all that stuff.
Speaker 14: I wonder, like are they alluding to That's where I
Speaker 14: go back and forth, Like you know, in the Oh God,
Speaker 14: what were you saying, Mary Magdalene or whatever?
Speaker 12: Like?
Speaker 14: Do you think possibly they kept those out so it
Speaker 14: could bury some type of ideal in us that maybe
Speaker 14: our Bible is wrong, that you know, they're they're saying
Speaker 14: the Antichrist won't have any women, and then they hid
Speaker 14: those scriptures to where he possibly did have Mary Magdalen.
Speaker 2: Well, that's the Ascenes.
Speaker 4: I don't believe.
Speaker 7: Well, I don't believe that they hid the Gnostic texts.
Speaker 7: They've been around, they just didn't add them to the Bible.
Speaker 7: And that's why when they were the lost Gospel of
Speaker 7: whatever and they were rediscovered in nineteen forty five and
Speaker 7: up the Dead Sea Scrolls had Gnostic text within them
Speaker 7: as well.
Speaker 4: It's not that they were lost.
Speaker 7: They knew about them and they were written about in
Speaker 7: the three hundreds and four hundreds AD.
Speaker 4: Oh, they absolutely taught them anymore.
Speaker 2: They were absolutely lost throughout time. That's why it was
Speaker 2: such a crazy discovery in nineteen forty five.
Speaker 7: No, but then whenever you look at them and it's like,
Speaker 7: no one's ever seen this before. It's the truth, and
Speaker 7: it's like no, no, no, read the council that I
Speaker 7: see it.
Speaker 4: They knew what this was. We have known what this was.
Speaker 2: So sixteen hundred years there's a gap in there.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because no one taught them anymore because they understood
Speaker 7: that they were heretical, and the Gnostics didn't continue their
Speaker 7: Gnostic teachings in that way.
Speaker 2: But back to the whole they couldn't teach them, as
Speaker 2: they couldn't teach them they were being fucking hunted and slaughtered.
Speaker 2: Thus why it was profound discovery in nineteen forty five.
Speaker 7: But they acted like those had never been seen by
Speaker 7: human eyes before, and it was the truth of the Bible.
Speaker 7: And it's like, no, they weren't they weren't lost. They
Speaker 7: were purposely not taught. I would say, you know, there's
Speaker 7: a reason.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I would say if if something is,
Speaker 2: if something has gone for sixteen hundred years, I would
Speaker 2: say that you fucking lost something and then you discovered.
Speaker 4: It, right, I suppose.
Speaker 7: But again it's they had copies of them about, like
Speaker 7: there's people that were quoting them during the Renaissance, and
Speaker 7: there were more nastic texts that came about in the Renaissance.
Speaker 4: So it's not.
Speaker 7: Necessarily what you're thinking of as far as like, well,
Speaker 7: they hid this to hide truth. They didn't teach them anymore,
Speaker 7: and they went by the wayside, the same way that
Speaker 7: Jim Jones's teachings went by the wayside. It's not like
Speaker 7: they're being hidden from the public. You can go find
Speaker 7: what he was talking about. Nobody listens to it anymore.
Speaker 7: Because it's understood to be false. So it neither here
Speaker 7: nor there as far as the conversation for the anti
Speaker 7: crisis concerned. Look, we're not supposed to be necessarily trying
Speaker 7: to figure out who it is. We are supposed to
Speaker 7: be watchmen on the wall for the end times. Okay,
Speaker 7: We're not supposed to be counting down the days by
Speaker 7: no means, but we are supposed to be aware of
Speaker 7: the big significant events when they take place.
Speaker 4: That's that's what we're supposed to do.
Speaker 14: So that's drawing from that is like how the Jewish
Speaker 14: people say our Christ was the Antichrist for them, Like,
Speaker 14: what's that is? That is where I'm like, oh WHOA,
Speaker 14: Like I'm not Jewish, but I'm like, what if they're
Speaker 14: onto something? But like I said, in my heart, I know,
Speaker 14: but it's weird how they painted.
Speaker 7: I disagree with it, but I understand why they would
Speaker 7: believe that he was basically breaking the mold on the
Speaker 7: entirety of their laws and traditions that make them Jewish.
Speaker 7: He literally said there is no more jew and gentile.
Speaker 7: It's only God's people and not God's people, And that
Speaker 7: took away everything that made Judaism Judaism. So it makes
Speaker 7: sense why the sand Hadrian wanted to kill him. There's
Speaker 7: a reason why they wanted to stone him. There's a
Speaker 7: reason why they made sure he was crucified. Like it
Speaker 7: makes sense why they would see him as their Antichrist,
Speaker 7: and why they believe that he's, you know, boiling in
Speaker 7: a vat of his own neck Gramentin Hell or Shule
Speaker 7: or whatever the fuck, Like, it makes sense why they
Speaker 7: would go that route. But again, all evidence to the contrary,
Speaker 7: and me and multiple Jewish people that I know, not
Speaker 7: just are resident Jewish correspondent, multiple Jewish people and I
Speaker 7: have had these conversations about the prophecies that he fulfilled
Speaker 7: and how they don't believe that those prophecies were fulfilled
Speaker 7: by him, How they believe that the Temple doesn't need
Speaker 7: to be rebuilt a third time, they believe that the
Speaker 7: second building was the time when it mattered and all.
Speaker 7: It's it's like translatory issues, and it's people that are
Speaker 7: looking more towards the human understanding of the words rather
Speaker 7: than the words themselves. And I know that's gonna sound
Speaker 7: like I'm speaking out of both sides of my mouth
Speaker 7: as we're talking about all the things of the Council,
Speaker 7: and I see, I get it. I get it, but
Speaker 7: I get it. I get why they don't believe in Jesus.
Speaker 7: But there's also a reason why the messianic judaism is
Speaker 7: growing to the levels that it is, especially these days.
Speaker 7: There's truth that can't be ignored, and then there's truth
Speaker 7: that you can try to turn away from. Kind of
Speaker 7: where I find these people to be. But that's also
Speaker 7: why I don't put much weight into anything when anyone
Speaker 7: says that somebody's the Antichrist. I, for one, thought that
Speaker 7: Obama could be. There was a couple of checks that
Speaker 7: lined out for me. But I'm sorry, Murcrone's probably not
Speaker 7: the guy. Trump's probably not the guy not in Y'aho's
Speaker 7: not the guy Obama. The bushes like it's I don't
Speaker 7: believe that any of us know this guy's name right now.
Speaker 4: And I could be wrong, could be very wrong. It
Speaker 4: might be Elon fucking might be.
Speaker 2: I mean, the end is does the end has been
Speaker 2: nigh for over two thousand years. What's another two thousand
Speaker 2: Who's to say that the anti crisis around right now?
Speaker 7: Well, we had to wait for the nation of Israel
Speaker 7: to be refounded okay, And we had to wait for
Speaker 7: the first generation of the of the newly formed nation
Speaker 7: of Israel to die, and it's getting close to that timeframe.
Speaker 4: We had to wait for the temple to be rebuilt.
Speaker 7: There's a couple of key signs that will tell you like,
Speaker 7: oh no, no, it's timetime, Like shit's getting real now.
Speaker 7: And these were prophesied about two thousand years ago. So
Speaker 7: people have been waiting for these things, and they keep
Speaker 7: thinking that the temple being rebuilt was a metaphorical thing, right,
Speaker 7: they're talking about the Temple within us. They're talking about
Speaker 7: Judaism as a whole. They're talking about the Spartics, not
Speaker 7: the Ashkenazi. They're talking about like no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 7: big big dog. They're talking real life. And Israel's a
Speaker 7: nation for the first time in two thousand years. That
Speaker 7: just happened in nineteen forty eight. Like it's these kinds
Speaker 7: of things that make more sense. But at the same time,
Speaker 7: who's to say that this is even the go round
Speaker 7: that we're worried about. Who's to say that Israel won't
Speaker 7: get into some war where they get wiped off the
Speaker 7: face of the earth, and in another thousand years they
Speaker 7: reform as the nation of Israel. And that's the fucking
Speaker 7: timeframe that was prophesized about.
Speaker 4: Like who's to say, we're just supposed to be watchmen.
Speaker 7: On the wall.
Speaker 2: And even what Israel is is debated fair point, like
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Yeah, we're talking about who
Speaker 2: are the original Israeli people? You know, you know, because
Speaker 2: you check the blood, it's not necessarily them. They're over
Speaker 2: somewhere in Europe or something like that, right, And then
Speaker 2: some people will look at Israel and break it down
Speaker 2: into three syllables is Ra, l isis Ra and who's
Speaker 2: the l eloheim I don't know.
Speaker 7: I mean, the name of Israel is in the Bible.
Speaker 7: Jacob had his name changed to Israel. That's a that's
Speaker 7: a that's an Old Testament thing, that's a Torah thing.
Speaker 7: I thought, that's not.
Speaker 4: A new word.
Speaker 2: Original singular god, hell a singular god. So, but Palestine
Speaker 2: I thought was the original. And then they then they
Speaker 2: changed it to Israel.
Speaker 4: No, no, they were Israel.
Speaker 7: And then the Roman conqueror said that they wanted to
Speaker 7: erase that name and they named it Palestine. No, but Israel,
Speaker 7: Israel itself was So there was Jacob, the guy himself
Speaker 7: right the whole Uh screwed his brother out of his
Speaker 7: birthright and all of that. He later had his name
Speaker 7: changed to Israel, and he founded the nation that we're
Speaker 7: talking about right now.
Speaker 4: That's Old Testament, dude.
Speaker 5: What does it mean Israel?
Speaker 6: The name, it's like walks with God or something right.
Speaker 7: With God, wrestles with God, yes, which Jacob had that
Speaker 7: instance where he allegedly, if we are to believe it
Speaker 7: was a true story, not a metaphorical story, he apparently
Speaker 7: wrestled with God and won. But then there's others to
Speaker 7: say that that was a name, so not actual God.
Speaker 7: There's something to say that it was God. There's something
Speaker 7: to say that was a dream, something to say it
Speaker 7: was a metaphor, Like I'm not the guy to have
Speaker 7: a conversation on this evening, but probably a named Jonathan
Speaker 7: and I could see it.
Speaker 2: By the way, I do want to, I do want to.
Speaker 2: Just uh no, I'm a.
Speaker 4: Oh, yeah, I did pro wrestling.
Speaker 2: Yeah well no, not bro, that's that's pro wrestling, big hoss. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's get it real. But yeah I did. That's kind
Speaker 2: of funny. I forgot about that. But uh, was I
Speaker 2: gonna say about Israel. There was something else that I
Speaker 2: wanted to say. Damn it, I totally just like it.
Speaker 7: Like they were Hebrews, but then they were israel Lights
Speaker 7: and that's that's Old Testament ship.
Speaker 2: Right right anyway, Look, I actually, oh that's what I
Speaker 2: was gonna say. So as far as the Gnostics, I'm
Speaker 2: not even somebody that's like absolutely believes all of the
Speaker 2: rhetoric in there, Like I think that it's I look
Speaker 2: at it for what they claim that it is, which
Speaker 2: is a bunch of Jesus sayings. I can get down
Speaker 2: with the Divine Sage himself or the Rabbi or whatever
Speaker 2: you want to call him, just a guy that had
Speaker 2: a bunch of amazing teachings. If we're looking at the Nagamadi,
Speaker 2: that's how you would look at it. I can get
Speaker 2: down with that. But then the Nagamadi and the Naostic
Speaker 2: Gospels they also talk about the Demiurge, which is like
Speaker 2: the fake God, you know, the false God, which is
Speaker 2: the Demiurge, and it's going to deceive the entire world
Speaker 2: and all that kind of stuff. I don't get down
Speaker 2: with that. I don't believe in no fucking Demiurge.
Speaker 4: Mean, correct me if I'm wrong here.
Speaker 7: But the Gnostics also preach it, like, hey, y'all, I
Speaker 7: know that everybody said that God was the good guy,
Speaker 7: right and the snake was the bad guy, but like
Speaker 7: what if it wasn't though, Yeah, it's something like that.
Speaker 7: That was like the overarching theme behind the Gnostic conversation.
Speaker 7: That is why the Gnostic texts were heretical. Well, and
Speaker 7: that's the idea that.
Speaker 2: Essentially God of the Old Testament was the demiurge, and
Speaker 2: that if you notice that there is a bit of
Speaker 2: a changing of the heart from the Old Testament God
Speaker 2: to the New Testament God, which I understand why they're
Speaker 2: trying to say that, but I don't know. I don't
Speaker 2: believe in a.
Speaker 4: False reason for that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, because we are in the age of grace now
Speaker 7: that we no longer have to perform animal sacrifices for
Speaker 7: every time we sin, because that was Jesus, He was
Speaker 7: that sacrifice. So now God went from our judge to
Speaker 7: being our father as a whole. There's a reason for
Speaker 7: all this and why it played out in the manner
Speaker 7: in the time frame in which it did.
Speaker 4: And I know people disagree with that. I know people
Speaker 4: take issue with that, and that's.
Speaker 7: Fine, but it checks out as to the word and
Speaker 7: what we are supposed to take it as.
Speaker 2: Okay, But you don't see within the New Testament God
Speaker 2: telling some dude to bring his up to the top
Speaker 2: of a mountain and throw them off. In the New Testament,
Speaker 2: that's that's Old Testament.
Speaker 7: God, right, same God. But there's a And again, look
Speaker 7: at the context behind.
Speaker 2: That change in the tone, though, is what I'm trying
Speaker 2: to say, like very rigid, very kind of controlling, very
Speaker 2: fucking obey, and I'm gonna push you to your limit
Speaker 2: to see how much you actually will obey. And whenever
Speaker 2: you're right at the precipice of showing me how much
Speaker 2: you obey, I was just fucking with you, Famia. You
Speaker 2: gotta chuck your kid off this mountain.
Speaker 7: Well, that's the point right back then he was in Again,
Speaker 7: look at the context of that story. It wasn't just
Speaker 7: a test of faith, although that's what it was, yes,
Speaker 7: but he was also seeing would he be willing to
Speaker 7: do what all of the other people were doing, because
Speaker 7: around the area in question, the others were sacrificing their
Speaker 7: firstborn sons to their God. So he's saying these people
Speaker 7: are willing to follow their gods to this level? Are
Speaker 7: you willing to follow me to this level?
Speaker 2: So it was out of jealousy, is what you're saying.
Speaker 2: He did it because he knows well all these other
Speaker 2: people they love their God and they're willing to sacrifice
Speaker 2: for their God. What will you do for me? That
Speaker 2: sounds like a jealous thing, doesn't it? And he does,
Speaker 2: and he is a jealous God.
Speaker 4: He does say jealous God.
Speaker 7: But that wasn't you know, that's his words, his words
Speaker 7: for sure, But that wasn't a jealousy thing. That was
Speaker 7: a test of faith. He's saying, do you have as
Speaker 7: much faith for a true God as your neighbors do
Speaker 7: for a fake God? If you can't even attempt to
Speaker 7: do what they're willing to do to a statue that
Speaker 7: will never talk back to them, then what are we
Speaker 7: even talking about here?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was a test of faith. Let's again it wasn't.
Speaker 7: He wasn't.
Speaker 2: Let's change up the situation here. You have you have
Speaker 2: a couple of kids. Right, Let's say you're one kid.
Speaker 2: You take your one kid to toys R russ right,
Speaker 2: And let's say towards arrest is still around, which I
Speaker 2: wish it was. But let's say towards arrest is still around,
Speaker 2: you go and take him to get the most gangster
Speaker 2: fucking toy that you can imagine, right, And your daughter
Speaker 2: is still at home and you didn't bring her for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, and maybe she had some kind of sports
Speaker 2: practice she wasn't able to go to toys r russ, Right,
Speaker 2: And your son comes back home with the fucking toy
Speaker 2: of all toys, right, and he's gloating and he's like, Yo,
Speaker 2: look look at I got Look at dad got me, right,
Speaker 2: And then your daughters all, well, what the fuck man,
Speaker 2: you didn't get me anything. Why don't you do something
Speaker 2: for me to show me how much you love me?
Speaker 2: Because you clearly just showed a preference right there, At
Speaker 2: least on the surface, it looks like you prefer that, right,
Speaker 2: And so is it.
Speaker 7: Not kind of a what to what kind of story?
Speaker 7: That would you would look.
Speaker 2: At that out of that would be a jealous thing, right,
Speaker 2: not saying that it's wrong. You would you would actually
Speaker 2: argue that it's actually right. If you're trying to show
Speaker 2: that you know that you treat your kids equally. But
Speaker 2: if your daughter is like, well, why didn't you do
Speaker 2: for me like you did for him. That would, on
Speaker 2: the surface, would be a jealousy kind of stunt, wouldn't it.
Speaker 7: I don't think this is a apples to apples comparison, though,
Speaker 7: how would you differ? Like how how is getting your
Speaker 7: kid a toy the same as God the judge? Now
Speaker 7: God the father, God the judge telling you that if
Speaker 7: you can't even do the slightest bit of devotion that
Speaker 7: everyone else is willing to do to their gods, then
Speaker 7: we have.
Speaker 3: A faith issue.
Speaker 7: That's not the same as showing my child love by
Speaker 7: buying them a toy.
Speaker 4: I feel like I missed it on you. Literally, that
Speaker 4: may not have been the best thing.
Speaker 2: You literally can't comprehend the story what I was trying
Speaker 2: to suggest here. You have no idea where the comparison
Speaker 2: lies in at all, that's what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I think I think I might have just missed it, bro,
Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe that's on me.
Speaker 6: That story is an issue of works though actually not faith, right,
Speaker 6: because faith alone did not satisfy God. It was the
Speaker 6: actual going to do the action of what he was
Speaker 6: asking him to do.
Speaker 7: That's fair, that's fair, And I mean, yeah, you could
Speaker 7: believe all day, but when you put that faith in practice,
Speaker 7: I mean, how far are you actually willing to go
Speaker 7: with that faith? But then later on again Old Testament
Speaker 7: versus New Testament, it says that our works are as
Speaker 7: unclean rags, they'll be burned up.
Speaker 4: Works without faith is dead.
Speaker 7: But it's true though, right there's times with people that
Speaker 7: do great ship from the really yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because that's where I that's where my contention with
Speaker 6: Paul is is that I feel like Jesus taught a
Speaker 6: more works based than faith based ministry and that that,
Speaker 6: at the end of the day is really the only
Speaker 6: thing that truly matters is like your actions and you
Speaker 6: you show your faith. You demonstrate your faith by your actions,
Speaker 6: which is why like whenever, for instance, if you get
Speaker 6: married to someone, it doesn't matter that you say that
Speaker 6: you're married to them if you don't act like it,
Speaker 6: if you're cheating on them every day, or you're you're
Speaker 6: doing your word literally does not mean shit unless you
Speaker 6: demonstrate what you say by your actions. So at the
Speaker 6: end of the day, it doesn't matter what you say
Speaker 6: or think or feel or whatever. The only thing that
Speaker 6: matters that you're accountable for in real life is how
Speaker 6: you treat people and by doing what you're saying you're
Speaker 6: gonna do.
Speaker 4: No, I'm with you.
Speaker 7: I'm with you on this, but I also believe that
Speaker 7: you can't good deeds your way into heaven. I believe
Speaker 7: that you can't get to heaven unless you acknowledge you
Speaker 7: as a sacrifice as penance for your sins for salvation.
Speaker 7: But you should do good works because you have the
Speaker 7: ability to do good works. You should honor God for
Speaker 7: gift of salvation by living your life in the most
Speaker 7: upright way possible and spreading his word. I don't believe
Speaker 7: that you should because I also think that if you
Speaker 7: get this gift of salvation and you just hold it
Speaker 7: to yourself, right they talk about taking a lamp and
Speaker 7: putting it under a basket. If you have the gift
Speaker 7: of freedom and you just hold that to yourself and
Speaker 7: don't share that with anybody, then you're guilty for their
Speaker 7: death if you will just as much as they are.
Speaker 7: You could have saved them and you didn't. That makes
Speaker 7: you complicit in it. But and I'm not just saying
Speaker 7: like going and prosthlytizing the people. I think absolutely you
Speaker 7: should be doing good works because you can do good works,
Speaker 7: but I don't believe that good works are gonna get
Speaker 7: yourself into heaven because at that point you're trying to
Speaker 7: make yourself co savior.
Speaker 4: So either A you're saying that what.
Speaker 7: Jesus did in the Cross isn't enough and that that
Speaker 7: wasn't enough to wash you of your sins, or B
Speaker 7: you're saying that somehow you want to do more than
Speaker 7: Jesus did and it doesn't. Neither of those make sense.
Speaker 7: I believe that yes, faith with or works without faith
Speaker 7: is dead works. But at the same time, you should
Speaker 7: be doing these works anyway one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: You know what I think, though, it's kind of unfair.
Speaker 2: Not that God necessarily has to be fair with anybody,
Speaker 2: but don't you think it's kind of unfair that God
Speaker 2: asks for proof of faith and yet we're supposed to
Speaker 2: just take everything on faith without a proof.
Speaker 7: I can't speak for everybody, but I can find proof
Speaker 7: of God's faithfulness to me literally in my daily life,
Speaker 7: Like I can't even count the ways in which He
Speaker 7: blesses me on a daily basis, But can you use
Speaker 7: it for me personally?
Speaker 2: But what's God's like signature as far as the proof
Speaker 2: that you're seeing on a daily basis.
Speaker 4: Oh fuck, where do I begin? Uh?
Speaker 7: Well, I wake up every morning, which is a blessing
Speaker 7: in and of itself, because tomorrow is not promised to
Speaker 7: any of us. We could die in our sleep tonight
Speaker 7: from a brain aneurysm or a blood clot that we
Speaker 7: didn't know we had getting lodged in our brains. Dead.
Speaker 2: Sure is the signature yahwegh on there? Or is it
Speaker 2: just could it be?
Speaker 5: Believe?
Speaker 11: So?
Speaker 2: You believe so, but it's not proof that it is
Speaker 2: from this specific God. That was kind of my point
Speaker 2: is that you know, the as far as the whole
Speaker 2: story of you know, God asking Homie to bring his
Speaker 2: kid up and throw them off a cliff, that was
Speaker 2: supposed to be like proof, show me proof that you
Speaker 2: actually have faith in me, right, whereas if we would
Speaker 2: ask for any kind of proof, it's it's kind of like, well,
Speaker 2: you can assign that name, but it's not necessarily the signature.
Speaker 2: There's not a dead giveaway that it was from this
Speaker 2: specific God. Is my point.
Speaker 7: I feel you so, I believe that for Christians we
Speaker 7: do get our faith tested on a daily basis, in
Speaker 7: sometimes in very small ways that you may not even realize.
Speaker 4: That that's what just happened.
Speaker 7: Sometimes in very big ways, where people come at you
Speaker 7: and ask you all kinds of questions about your faith
Speaker 7: and you have to know what the hell you're talking about,
Speaker 7: or gets shown that you clearly are not much of
Speaker 7: a Christian, right. This happens to all of us in
Speaker 7: different ways and in different versions. I get this, But yeah,
Speaker 7: I believe that all of us have our faith tested
Speaker 7: on a pretty pretty regular basis. Honestly, because this world
Speaker 7: is ran by the opposition, who is trying to consistently
Speaker 7: put snares and obstacles in our way.
Speaker 4: I think those are all tests of our faith.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, I mean I get it, you know, just
Speaker 2: coming from the faith perspective. My point was, it's like,
Speaker 2: you know, this is why it's so open ended, and
Speaker 2: why there are so many religions, and why there are
Speaker 2: so many gods, and why there are so many mythologies.
Speaker 2: It's because there's not a signature, you know what I'm
Speaker 2: saying that anybody can look up and be like if
Speaker 2: say they're about to get hit by a car and
Speaker 2: somehow somebody pushes them out of the way, just in
Speaker 2: the nick of time, well, depending on your faith, you'll
Speaker 2: you'll you'll you'll say thank you so and so. Right,
Speaker 2: but it's not like, uh, it's not a dead giveaway
Speaker 2: of who actually did it without your faith.
Speaker 7: I mean, yeah, so, I mean what tells you that
Speaker 7: it was an angel versus Krishna versus. I don't know
Speaker 7: if Christian we didn't do that kind of whoever. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I see what you're saying, Like, you know, it was
Speaker 7: Zeus that helped you out of that situation or something,
Speaker 7: and like, yeah, in that case, I think it would
Speaker 7: be more faith based, you know, on the individual level.
Speaker 4: I see where you're going with this, for sure.
Speaker 7: Sam, your hand has been raised for a good hot minute, Sir,
Speaker 7: go ahead and.
Speaker 2: Perry the platypus over there. He might have fallen asleep,
Speaker 2: Samuel there.
Speaker 11: I was just thinking about how all right, so it
Speaker 11: would make sense. I've when how you brought up how
Speaker 11: Muhammad was getting railed out by his.
Speaker 4: Things.
Speaker 7: Anyway, leave it to Sam to come back and circle
Speaker 7: back to this conversation.
Speaker 11: Yeah, Sam, when you realize that, and I don't mean
Speaker 11: this disparaging or anything, but like SAX hundred years before
Speaker 11: Muhammad had his quote unquote.
Speaker 10: Incident was give it, which is every for gable.
Speaker 11: But the Bible I believe it was probably says let
Speaker 11: no whoever comes and says that this teaching me, besides
Speaker 11: this the true season. Even if they come at disguised
Speaker 11: as an angel, and then you realize that Lucifer he is,
Speaker 11: that the he is of a trickster, liking to a like.
Speaker 11: He is a You can count his counterpart to the
Speaker 11: Norse as Loki.
Speaker 10: How he is a trickster and of himself.
Speaker 11: It will not surprise me if he did, because he
Speaker 11: is quote unquote the most beautiful angel of all, and
Speaker 11: he is a fallen angel. What if he did take
Speaker 11: the form of his brother Gabriel too, and he did
Speaker 11: and he possessed Mohammed because Muhammad said that Gabriel did
Speaker 11: possess him and throw him to the on the floor
Speaker 11: and everything and made him painfully.
Speaker 10: Right out the Koran.
Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
Speaker 10: And so it will not make it wouldn't be very U.
Speaker 20: P Pet said that, well, he's already bastardized, a guy
Speaker 20: he tried to turn ambassardized gospels, make his own liking
Speaker 20: his own image, So why not make his profet quote
Speaker 20: unquote ull be a bottom bitch.
Speaker 2: I find it kind of funny that the the I
Speaker 2: believe within Islam they throw the gays off bridges. Isn't
Speaker 2: that what you said, Jacob?
Speaker 4: Oh, Yeah, totally depends on the country.
Speaker 7: Certain cultures see the men as for pleasure and the
Speaker 7: women are just for maybe making, and then in other
Speaker 7: cultures they'll throw homosexuals off of roofs and behead them publicly.
Speaker 7: It really depends on which area you're in gettingled. It's like,
Speaker 7: what the fuck?
Speaker 4: Yeah, the night of the anybody wants to look at.
Speaker 21: Us, go ahead, Sam orrey, Sam, I'm sorry, it's uh,
Speaker 21: it's this is the same culture that focks in little
Speaker 21: boys and sheeps, so you can't really expect too much.
Speaker 2: Not the only culture that does that, and not necessarily
Speaker 2: to even say it's a cultural thing, and it's probably
Speaker 2: just a couple of fucking weirdos that just love the
Speaker 2: feeling of.
Speaker 4: Sheep systemically a part of the culture.
Speaker 11: Yeah, my gunners sergeant like the first and I me
Speaker 11: and a group got to b MP. I'm not gonna
Speaker 11: say it was. It was a gun sergeant. He sat
Speaker 11: us down, say hey, you want to see what y'all fighting?
Speaker 11: And I was like and I'm not gonna say what
Speaker 11: I said because I'd probably get the show canceled.
Speaker 10: But he showed us the video. All you see it's
Speaker 10: a it's in scope, it's black and white.
Speaker 11: You see it's it's over looking over like this open
Speaker 11: train and you hear the main what the like, what
Speaker 11: what are they doing? And you see a truck pull
Speaker 11: up and you see these two guys get out and
Speaker 11: you see the sheep just grazing.
Speaker 10: They fucked the goat, that they fucked the sheep.
Speaker 2: And is this comparable to like Mormon soaking where it's
Speaker 2: like it's okay because it's not.
Speaker 7: Yes, if you sacrifice the animal afterwards in the name
Speaker 7: of Hala, then it's all good. And it's better for
Speaker 7: you to get your seed out in an animal than
Speaker 7: in a woman and commit adultery.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: Why do you see why I mentioned the Gnostics as like,
Speaker 2: clearly you know some of this stuff withinside of you.
Speaker 2: And then there's the the uh, not the esoteric, the
Speaker 2: exoteric which is just surface level information you would look
Speaker 2: at and be like, wait a second, God says them
Speaker 2: allowed to fuck a goat, Like I don't. That's that's
Speaker 2: kind of new information.
Speaker 11: Not saying, I mean, I'm sorry, but the the Bible
Speaker 11: says that vcality is a abominabal sin, that it is irredeemable,
Speaker 11: and on to it is to death.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not that God. I was talking about the other one.
Speaker 7: But I'm just saying, do you just make the comparison
Speaker 7: from Muslims fucking goats to the Gnostics claiming that God
Speaker 7: was the bad guy?
Speaker 4: Or did I did I miss the step on that one.
Speaker 2: It's amazing how you're able to draw parallels with like
Speaker 2: completely opposite kind of perspectives, but you can't get the
Speaker 2: simpler ones. Never I'm trying to make a comparison. Absolutely not,
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm lated. No, what I was trying
Speaker 2: to say is that essentially, as I was saying, gnosticism
Speaker 2: gnosis to know, you can kind of test the source,
Speaker 2: test the spirit within you, if Jesus or Christ or
Speaker 2: whatever is within you. That is essentially like your your thermometer. Essentially,
Speaker 2: just look at it like kind of as like a
Speaker 2: spiritual thermometer, the Christ within you. And then whenever you
Speaker 2: read certain things, does it ring true to the Christ
Speaker 2: thermometer withinside of you. That's where the whole Gnostic kind
Speaker 2: of situation rings, whereas the the more exoteric kind of
Speaker 2: information is like, you know, I might read this and
Speaker 2: it's like, it doesn't really do anything to me. It
Speaker 2: doesn't really sing true to the spirit of God within me.
Speaker 2: That's that's kind of the point.
Speaker 7: That I was trying to make, right.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, that's my point.
Speaker 7: The Gnostic texts teach that God is the bad guy,
Speaker 7: and so in that the whole novel sick philosophy was
Speaker 7: that the snake was the good guy and that God
Speaker 7: was the bad guy in the overarching theme.
Speaker 2: That's that's that's what you're.
Speaker 7: Saying, rings true to your your thermometer. Then that tells
Speaker 7: me that we're a little off base from truth.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know. I'm gonna be honest with you.
Speaker 2: I don't really know the entire story of what they
Speaker 2: believe about the Demiurge, but I do know the basic So.
Speaker 7: How are you talking about it if you don't know,
Speaker 7: if you've never read it, you see what that sounds like.
Speaker 2: What I'm saying is I've actually, you know, put hands
Speaker 2: on it. I've actually put eyes on it. I didn't
Speaker 2: just listen to somebody talking about it. So what I'm
Speaker 2: saying is is that I don't I didn't look into
Speaker 2: the demiurge. I was more so focused on the Jesus
Speaker 2: sayings more than anything else. The demiurge is like some
Speaker 2: external shit. But what they are saying, though, is that
Speaker 2: essentially that the Old Testament God, which is what they
Speaker 2: would be referring to, because the the Nagamati was written
Speaker 2: I believe before or right after the the to fucking
Speaker 2: Nicia Council of Nicea, and so it would be and
Speaker 2: it would be referring to the Old Testament more than
Speaker 2: anything else if they're referring to anything, you know, in
Speaker 2: that time. And so the idea would be is that
Speaker 2: the the God that was in that Bible was kind
Speaker 2: of like the fake God, the God that was like
Speaker 2: the jealous God, the angry God, the spiteful God, that
Speaker 2: kind of God, and that essentially the God if you
Speaker 2: it's looking at it from an entirely different different perspective,
Speaker 2: that the God of the New Testament the God of
Speaker 2: the Old Testament are very different characters. And so therefore
Speaker 2: the demiurge would be the Old Testament God or the
Speaker 2: demiurge the fake God. That's what they believe.
Speaker 7: So it sounds like narcissism teaches more than one god.
Speaker 2: No, no, which is heretical. Oh really, because the Bible
Speaker 2: also teaches more than one god.
Speaker 7: They do not.
Speaker 4: You have literally just the God, the Creator.
Speaker 7: You have Jesus, the son of God, who was God
Speaker 7: incarnate on earth. But still Jesus himself said I am
Speaker 7: not the Father. He said, he is the son of man.
Speaker 7: And then you have the Word, which is not the
Speaker 7: same thing. That's funny.
Speaker 2: Well, what was God jealous of again? Of other gods?
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was talking about the fucking statues, not the Actually,
Speaker 7: there's no actual gods up there other than himkill off
Speaker 7: the other gods.
Speaker 11: God said he would kill off all the other gods.
Speaker 7: On earth. Dude, But there's nobody worshiping the Egyptian gods
Speaker 7: right down. There's nobody worshiping the Greek pantheon anymore. There's
Speaker 7: there's a reason for that.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 11: And if you kill the ideology, did you not kill
Speaker 11: the god exactly?
Speaker 7: Okay, So he didn't actually like kill the gods in
Speaker 7: the heavens because there's more than one god of there.
Speaker 4: It's in the pantheon. That's not really, that's not reality.
Speaker 7: So you have killed the god.
Speaker 10: And Moloch was a demon.
Speaker 2: Called a god.
Speaker 7: Actually in the Bible, they may have worshiped him as
Speaker 7: a god, but he was not actually a god. That's
Speaker 7: there's a different distinction there. It's like worshiping an angel
Speaker 7: as a god. That's not the same thing.
Speaker 2: Literally, whenever God says that he's a jealous god for
Speaker 2: anybody who worships other gods, the first name that's mentioned
Speaker 2: is Moloch.
Speaker 6: Yeah, when describing other gods, if you translate it properly,
Speaker 6: he says it says Eloheim shall have no other Elohim
Speaker 6: before me.
Speaker 7: Right, you shall have no other God before him. He's saying,
Speaker 7: don't worship anything other than me. So if I'm confused.
Speaker 6: With the theme, is the name for the singular one God,
Speaker 6: the only God, the creator of all? Why would he
Speaker 6: in first person use his own name that means the
Speaker 6: one and only ever to describe other things?
Speaker 5: That mean that good.
Speaker 7: Point, Loheim doesn't specifically only mean God. There's other context
Speaker 7: where it means something of the angelic realm.
Speaker 6: Well in that so it could be it specifically means
Speaker 6: another god.
Speaker 4: But right, he's basically there's no other gods but him.
Speaker 6: Powerful ones with the nests, and it is plural in
Speaker 6: that sense as well.
Speaker 7: But that's what I'm saying, so right, it's spelled the
Speaker 7: same in all of that context clues give it different meanings.
Speaker 7: So like, would you not consider the fallen angels that
Speaker 7: would have become what we would later call the fallen,
Speaker 7: the watchers, the demons and all that, those would also
Speaker 7: be classified in the Eloheim class, right?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 5: I I would say technically yes.
Speaker 7: Like there's there's texts that do call them that. So
Speaker 7: he's saying, don't worship the other angelic beings over here?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Well, the the the argument that I would make
Speaker 6: is that they're all under the same category, and that
Speaker 6: that's that God is just a different one of those
Speaker 6: who's uh taking his claim if you will, and if
Speaker 6: I hear you, and I'll translate it that way, that
Speaker 6: story looks that way. If you read it all as Eloheim,
Speaker 6: it becomes like if you read them all as power,
Speaker 6: if you translate Elohem to its root as powerful ones,
Speaker 6: like all the way back, then the whole Biblical story
Speaker 6: becomes a narrative of these different powerful beings like kind
Speaker 6: of like vying for people in territory amongst each other,
Speaker 6: because the.
Speaker 4: See that's yeah.
Speaker 7: The conversation I've heard also is like, well, every god
Speaker 7: of any of these pantheons were demons that presented themselves
Speaker 7: as these gods, which would make them by definition elohem.
Speaker 7: Now I'm not saying I specifically believe that could be.
Speaker 7: I don't know, but per the context of what you're saying,
Speaker 7: God is saying that he's a jealous God and not
Speaker 7: to worship any of these other god's, only him, by
Speaker 7: God's he's talking about Loki for ish tar raw akhema,
Speaker 7: not akama. Excuse me, I meant doghead dude ance right,
Speaker 7: like all these things who would have been fallen angels,
Speaker 7: therefore Loheim as well. But I also think there's a
Speaker 7: pretty clear distinction between the dude who created everything and
Speaker 7: his lackeys who were the other Eloheims. But for the
Speaker 7: context that you're talking about, I see how that comparison
Speaker 7: could be drawn.
Speaker 5: For shut this.
Speaker 2: Out, I actually never heard of this. But for the
Speaker 2: people that say eloheim absolutely is plural and cannot be
Speaker 2: looked at as singular, there actually is a singular term
Speaker 2: of Loheim, which isla. And so whenever you're pluralizing it,
Speaker 2: it becomes Eloheim. That's kind of strange, right, So if
Speaker 2: you're referencing yourself as Eloheim in the beginning, yellowhem created right, he.
Speaker 7: H is singular.
Speaker 2: La means God or mighty one, whereas lheim means God's
Speaker 2: or powerful ones.
Speaker 7: That's kind of saying I'm not like a not a
Speaker 7: master of the Hebrew language here, but I would always
Speaker 7: take it to mean that when God is speaking about
Speaker 7: himself and the third person like that, and he's using
Speaker 7: himself in the plural, he is speaking about the.
Speaker 4: Three in one godhead.
Speaker 5: Well, that's why it has to be right.
Speaker 4: Let's let us make man in our image.
Speaker 7: I take that to me. And he's talking about the Father,
Speaker 7: the Son, and the Holy Spirit or the Word. He's
Speaker 7: talking about these three as a unison, and that would
Speaker 7: be you know, they're separate, but they are also similar.
Speaker 2: In the Old Testament, was the the son mentioned specificeside?
Speaker 2: But whenever we're talking about as God as the triple
Speaker 2: Godhead or whatever however you want to reference it is,
Speaker 2: is it understood with than the Torah that the Son
Speaker 2: is part of that union.
Speaker 7: It was understood that the Son of God would one
Speaker 7: day walk the earth and be the Messiah. Yes, so
Speaker 7: it was understood that there was a son of God
Speaker 7: with him.
Speaker 2: So in the beginning when it says eloheim, you're assuming
Speaker 2: that it does say it is including the sun.
Speaker 7: That's how I have always taken it to mean the God,
Speaker 7: the Father of the Son, and the Holy Spirit, right
Speaker 7: or the Word. That's the other thing. The Word was God,
Speaker 7: and the God was the Word, and all these things.
Speaker 7: It's the same conversation, honestly. Like they say, it's the
Speaker 7: three chords on a guitar, all tuned with the same
Speaker 7: note being strummed at the same time. They are individual chords,
Speaker 7: but they're performing the same function in unison with each other.
Speaker 7: That's just my own perspective. There are some Christians, by
Speaker 7: the way, who believe that what I just said is
Speaker 7: completely heretical and I should go to hell for saying that.
Speaker 7: Just so we're all clear, it's not like that's on
Speaker 7: behalf of all of Christendom. But that's just from the
Speaker 7: research that I done. That's my perspective.
Speaker 2: Don't you think that it's kind of weird that it's
Speaker 2: like that, though, because you could say so, I played
Speaker 2: football for a long time, right, and a football team
Speaker 2: is comprised of a bunch of football players. But when
Speaker 2: we are working cohesively, we are called a singular unit.
Speaker 2: Is that what you're trying to say?
Speaker 5: That?
Speaker 2: That's like essentially God is comprised of many different factors,
Speaker 2: but they all work as one as a unit. Is
Speaker 2: that what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say many, I would say three.
Speaker 7: And they are working together in their own ways and
Speaker 7: to perform their own job, functions and roles.
Speaker 4: Yes, so it gets more convoluted the more you get
Speaker 4: into it.
Speaker 7: To be honest with you, God had to send himself
Speaker 7: onto earth to be a sacrifice for people for his creation, right,
Speaker 7: But he didn't send God himself. Yahweh didn't send Yahweh himself.
Speaker 7: He sends his son, who is a part of that
Speaker 7: three union. They're all the same, they're they're all accord
Speaker 7: in the tune of g being strummed at the same time.
Speaker 7: So like you can replace one with the other in
Speaker 7: certain contexts, but they are not the exact same thing.
Speaker 7: They don't perform the same function. But the Holy Spirit
Speaker 7: that connected both of them is how that was God
Speaker 7: on earth. Right, So like I don't have a problem
Speaker 7: with Catholic saying that Mary was the mother of God.
Speaker 7: I don't particularly like the amount of weight they put
Speaker 7: onto her for that purpose. Her womb was the ark
Speaker 7: of the New Covenant. I get all that. But yes,
Speaker 7: Jesus was God in flesh, but he was also the
Speaker 7: son of God. So like yeah, like I said, the
Speaker 7: more you look into it, the more you dig it's
Speaker 7: it gets convoluted. And I understand why there's so much
Speaker 7: dissemination between it.
Speaker 2: My God, I did not realize we were over four hours.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, time flashes when you're having fun.
Speaker 7: Baby. I can't wait for us to one day have
Speaker 7: an episode where we don't talk about anything biblical whatsoever
Speaker 7: and stick strictly to conspiracies.
Speaker 2: Gonna agree, I agree on that, sir. By the way,
Speaker 2: I want you to.
Speaker 7: The record how we got started on this was early
Speaker 7: man and cavemen, and then we talked about a global
Speaker 7: flood and we started talking about the historicity of it all,
Speaker 7: and I was like, wait, wait, wait, pause, I'm not
Speaker 7: saying that the Earth is only six thousand years old.
Speaker 7: I think it goes a little bit before that, and
Speaker 7: there's some misunderstandings here, and that spawned every fucking thing else, So.
Speaker 2: You kind of opened the door to it.
Speaker 7: Didn't mean to. I was talking about the global flood,
Speaker 7: that was all I was doing. And I was talking
Speaker 7: about the story of Noah predates the story of Gilgamesh.
Speaker 4: That was all I was trying to say.
Speaker 2: This was an absolute blast. I love this conversation seriously,
Speaker 2: and it wasn't even like to argue. It was just
Speaker 2: to you know, come together with difference of thought and
Speaker 2: see how the difference of thoughts could align. That's all.
Speaker 5: Thank you.
Speaker 7: I get this conspiracy show. Say that again, Nick, Appreciate you. Nick.
Speaker 6: I was thinking Jacob because I enjoyed these conversations myself,
Speaker 6: and Jacob is the only person that I feel that
Speaker 6: I can have the back and forth like this in
Speaker 6: like a non combative and like, I don't know, it's
Speaker 6: it's it's.
Speaker 7: Nice, semi combative, a little bit like but like we
Speaker 7: need to bring boxing gloves to bro Grove because of
Speaker 7: me and you, John.
Speaker 2: Then it's like, no, no, that's not that was not
Speaker 2: the tone here. First of all, Jacob, you don't want
Speaker 2: that fucking smoke. Okay, I'm just kidding. I don't know.
Speaker 2: First of all, bring your ass whenever you ready. I
Speaker 2: don't I don't have I don't have the stam enough
Speaker 2: for all that shit. I'm I'm way back, dude. I'll
Speaker 2: give you. I'll give you sixty seconds of fucking straight
Speaker 2: up hell, but after that I'm winded, So just run
Speaker 2: around for a minute and I'll be done.
Speaker 7: I put you in armer once upon a time, didn't
Speaker 7: I Yeah, yeah, I thought I did in the front
Speaker 7: yard and it was like me and you fought. It
Speaker 7: was literally just to like see how you could move in.
Speaker 4: The armor and like get an appreciation for.
Speaker 2: It is hard being in that. It's so it's so hot,
Speaker 2: you can't breathe, it's hard to move around in it,
Speaker 2: you can't see shit, Like it's difficult, way different than
Speaker 2: you hear.
Speaker 7: The stories of these battles from the Middle Ages, lasting
Speaker 7: like all afternoon.
Speaker 4: I'm like, in full plate armor. Get fucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah you could for that, but uh but yeah, anyway, No,
Speaker 2: this is a good conversation, And Jacob, I wasn't like
Speaker 2: I was saying, this is not to come at you.
Speaker 2: It's more of like, who else am I going to
Speaker 2: have this conversation with?
Speaker 8: You?
Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying, Like you're really you're the only
Speaker 2: Christian that actually that I know, that actually knows shit.
Speaker 2: Because most people they say, oh, I believe in Jesus,
Speaker 2: that's all I really need to know.
Speaker 7: I'm like, oh, well, you're the really only the one.
Speaker 2: The at least of my circle, that really knows enough
Speaker 2: about the Bible to even have these kind of conversations
Speaker 2: with which is sad.
Speaker 7: Actually I don't have enough knowledge. Though I have, I
Speaker 7: would like to think that I know more than the
Speaker 7: average bear. But it's not like I'm a biblical scholar
Speaker 7: by any means, and I'm not a Christian apologist by
Speaker 7: any stretch of the imagination. I would like to be.
Speaker 7: I would like to do more research and game more
Speaker 7: of this information to where I could recall the ship
Speaker 7: fast as fuck.
Speaker 4: But I mean, it's it's a lot to take in,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.
Speaker 7: It's a lots of things to commit to memory, and
Speaker 7: I only got so much mental brain space.
Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'm doing the best here. Give yourself credit.
Speaker 2: You know a lot about this ship.
Speaker 6: You know it's impressive, and appreciate it. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 6: I was trying to get at the same thing that
Speaker 6: you were saying Jonathan, and I can't have those these
Speaker 6: conversations with anybody else about like anybody getting offended and
Speaker 6: also exploring like my ideas without them thinking that I'm
Speaker 6: like a spawn of like trying to lead them down
Speaker 6: the wrong.
Speaker 5: Path or some ship, you know what I mean, attacking me. Yeah,
Speaker 5: that's what I mean. I can't.
Speaker 4: I want to get back on the show.
Speaker 11: Ye.
Speaker 7: I want to get Jay Dyer back on the show
Speaker 7: because now that I know more about him and his
Speaker 7: Eastern Orthodox belief system, I have so many questions for him.
Speaker 7: But the thing is, he is like a twenty five
Speaker 7: year veteran of baiting and rhetoric in philosophy, and so like,
Speaker 7: if you're gonna come at him, you better have your
Speaker 7: fucking homework doing. I'm not trying to come at him
Speaker 7: by any means, but I didn't realize that he was
Speaker 7: an Eastern Orthodox guy, or like what his what his
Speaker 7: standpoints weren't a lot of this, or why he found
Speaker 7: his way to that line of faith. But like, bro,
Speaker 7: if you could reach out to him and we try
Speaker 7: to set up another meeting, another another zoom call, I
Speaker 7: have so many more questions.
Speaker 2: Yeah, honest problem with him though, is that he was
Speaker 2: only able to go for an hour. That's just not
Speaker 2: long enough to have these conversations.
Speaker 4: I don't know if that was because he was sick
Speaker 4: that day or what.
Speaker 7: Because I just watched him on rus Lawn, which is
Speaker 7: a pretty sizable YouTube channel, to be honest, and they
Speaker 7: went for two hours back and forth debating about what
Speaker 7: I would call non denominational Christianity versus ether Eastern Orthodox
Speaker 7: and all of these things.
Speaker 4: So I don't know.
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 4: Maybe because it was a zoom call versus in person.
Speaker 2: He is a Christian or not, I can't remember.
Speaker 7: Oh yes, Oh, Jay Dyer is hard or Christian debater,
Speaker 7: but he's an Eastern Orthodox Christian.
Speaker 2: I would love to get Jay Dyer and Micah Dank
Speaker 2: on a conversation.
Speaker 7: Oh, for the love of God, No, no, no, I
Speaker 7: don't want Jay to to get angry with us for
Speaker 7: hosting an event of that nature, because Jay Dyer is
Speaker 7: a true classically trained debater. Oh wait, Micah Dank mm
Speaker 7: hm oh God. For some reason, I thought you meant
Speaker 7: Brandon Kroll. Yeah, no, I'll take I'll take Michah Dank
Speaker 7: and Jay Dyer. That would be fucking great. I mean,
Speaker 7: I love Brandon, but he gets a little He's just
Speaker 7: gonna get mad and quick, get out of here, quick though.
Speaker 7: That's Micah Dank, doesn't. He keeps saying he wants somebody
Speaker 7: to debate him, but as soon as I offered up
Speaker 7: any points of contention, he like got flustered.
Speaker 4: It's like, so, do you want the debate or do
Speaker 4: you not?
Speaker 7: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's uh, he's a little hot blooded. I do
Speaker 2: love that about him though. It's and you could say
Speaker 2: that he's hot, hot blooded or maybe just passionate, which
Speaker 2: I like him. Dude. By the way, I actually kind
Speaker 2: of felt honored because I've been trying to really get
Speaker 2: a hold of a lot of this, you know, get
Speaker 2: a get a good understanding a lot of this esoterical
Speaker 2: kind of shit, and for me, for Mike ad dude,
Speaker 2: Michael Nick. I didn't tell you about this, dude. Micah
Speaker 2: Dank reached out to me after the show that we did,
Speaker 2: and he was like, Hey, I've never offered this to anybody,
Speaker 2: but would you be willing to start a new podcast
Speaker 2: with me? He goes, I think that you would be
Speaker 2: great as a co host, and I was like, that's
Speaker 2: fucking awesome, dude, that's kind of that's kind of like
Speaker 2: a high regard for me. I feel like I'm still
Speaker 2: really new to a lot of this shit, and so
Speaker 2: for him to say it, I thought that was fucking sweet.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, of course that's the one.
Speaker 6: That's the one you were talking about the other day
Speaker 6: about like adding a new episode.
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, no, no, the the as far as
Speaker 2: adding a new episode, which I don't know when I'm
Speaker 2: going to do that, but it is a goal of mine.
Speaker 2: It's just that I got Kenzie's here with me for
Speaker 2: the summer.
Speaker 4: So many hours in the day, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And to be honest, back whenever we were running
Speaker 2: Meta three times a week, it was a lot. The
Speaker 2: only reason why I'd be open to it is because
Speaker 2: I wouldn't for that third show, I wouldn't have a
Speaker 2: co host, so I could literally run it at four
Speaker 2: in the morning if I wanted to, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. But yeah, that would be more of an
Speaker 2: esoterical kind of thing. So I'm not sure when that's
Speaker 2: gonna start. Maybe it starts next week, maybe it starts
Speaker 2: whenever my daughter goes back to Louisiana. But I don't know.
Speaker 2: But it's definitely coming because I love diving into that
Speaker 2: kind of like deep shit.
Speaker 7: But anyway, all right, well you seriously considering joining up
Speaker 7: with Mike A Dank for a show though? Bro?
Speaker 2: No, no, no, like, And that's what I was trying
Speaker 2: to say, is that the only way that I would
Speaker 2: do another shows if it's only by myself, so that
Speaker 2: I could have the leeway to do it whenever I want.
Speaker 7: I'm not talking about for the cult. I'm talking about
Speaker 7: like an independent project.
Speaker 2: No, there's there's not enough time. No, And that's the
Speaker 2: thing I would love to, I like, I know that
Speaker 2: I would have a blast and the conversations would be
Speaker 2: fucking lit. I love that guy.
Speaker 5: He said that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was just like I saw it as honorable,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, or as an honor so
Speaker 2: because I've listened to him, dude, I've been listening to
Speaker 2: him before, even before I ever started podcasting, like because
Speaker 2: he was going on all the shows he was on,
Speaker 2: you know, Tenfoil Had and Forbidden Knowledge News and shows
Speaker 2: that I was listening to before I ever started the show.
Speaker 2: But yeah, uh, I would love to, but there's just
Speaker 2: not enough fucking time of the day.
Speaker 7: Anyway.
Speaker 4: Look, I didn't realize he'd been doing it for that long.
Speaker 2: That's he's taken like breaks and stuff, so he's not
Speaker 2: he hasn't been like super consistent. Now he's like super
Speaker 2: back into it. But just as far as like his
Speaker 2: astro theological understanding, Like, dude, the way he understands that
Speaker 2: kind of shit is fucking beyond me. I don't know
Speaker 2: all that shit like that. Well, but that's like his
Speaker 2: specialty is the astro theological stuff.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 7: You don't comments what's that in the comments? It wasn't
Speaker 7: even me. I had never seen the movie Poltergeist, but
Speaker 7: apparently it's like all of this is like a rip
Speaker 7: off of the Polstergeist movie and all these things. And
Speaker 7: I was like, well, I can't say that. I don't
Speaker 7: know that. I've never seen the movie. Apparently, people, yeah,
Speaker 7: two thousand and five movie. If I'm not mistaken, basically
Speaker 7: the whole the zodiac thing, and I don't.
Speaker 4: Know if he's been doing it for that long. No,
Speaker 4: that's not think like anything that I could.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's not where all that like that astro
Speaker 2: theological shit has been around for a lot longer than
Speaker 2: twenty years.
Speaker 7: Not the Zodiac thing, but the conversation about the twelve
Speaker 7: Disciples and the twelve zodiacs and all these things.
Speaker 4: Apparently like that was talked about in this movie. I
Speaker 4: don't know. I've never seen the movie.
Speaker 7: I'm just going off of what the comments said for
Speaker 7: that episode.
Speaker 2: So I think that that's where it originated.
Speaker 7: Or that he ripped it off of a movie. Yeah,
Speaker 7: And I can't say that that's a true statement. I
Speaker 7: don't know the level of research he's done with it,
Speaker 7: but if he's been doing it for that long, I
Speaker 7: would think that anything that I could bring to the
Speaker 7: table he could easily shut down and like show how
Speaker 7: well you would think that.
Speaker 4: But dot dot dot dot, that's he looks at.
Speaker 2: He looks at things strictly for its esoteric. He doesn't
Speaker 2: he doesn't believe anything of that literal stuff, and so
Speaker 2: he's a little bit extreme in that sense. But I
Speaker 2: like the perspective that he brings because from that point
Speaker 2: of view, he knows a lot. Not to say that
Speaker 2: it's truth or false or whatever. I'm just saying, from
Speaker 2: that perspective, he gets it. But anyway, I mean, people
Speaker 2: can say what they want about him. I think he's
Speaker 2: fucking awesome.
Speaker 4: I thought it was a fun guest. Honestly, I don't
Speaker 4: dislike the guy.
Speaker 7: I went on his show as a matter of fact
Speaker 7: to talk more about it and everything.
Speaker 4: But he yeah, yeah, I hope he does.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, buddy, all right, well look let's wrap it up.
Speaker 2: We're at fucking four hours and twenty minutes, dude.
Speaker 4: So sorry I got such a late start.
Speaker 7: Man.
Speaker 2: No, we actually, I mean I started like ten minutes
Speaker 2: after nine. Yeah, so I mean we're we were still
Speaker 2: like on time.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: It was just that, you know, I was like, fuck it.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm sure he's eventually going to show up.
Speaker 2: He would have texted me. I figured that you fell asleep,
Speaker 2: because usually you're always right on your phone every time
Speaker 2: I text you. I can see that you read it
Speaker 2: and all that. I was like, he probably fell asleep
Speaker 2: or something. But it's Samuel. Go ahead and give your
Speaker 2: stand off, sir.
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