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Speaker 4: Bit about this BYU Kansas matchup? What do you say?
Speaker 3: Many people are like, Hey, this is AJ versus Darren.
We finally heard the news. Darren Peterson will be avail
up Bull. He's available, Roddy. He got a d n
P last game. He was just resting. He's doing a
little load management because of that. A right, He's he's
getting prep getting ready for the finale at fog Allen.
Darren's gonna be ballid for the Jayhawks. It's gonna be
a fantastic head to head matchup.
Speaker 4: Are you are you? Are you intrigued by this matchup?
This is that matchup you've been waiting for. Ronald three
Man Weaver absolutely been.
Speaker 2: We all have been doing this.
Speaker 5: Brad Hammer and I you know, shout out to you
break continue to get better. This hit has been on
our Bengo card for twenty twenty six. We wanted it twice, Ben,
but brett Ormar can't let BYU put Bill Seff into retirement.
I stay on that topic because the by you are
to get two wins in the same season against Bill
Selphy might have to go. Remember they've they've given Bell
tabooti both times. Just the last time they took him
behind the shed. But no, this is anticipated matchup. I
knew when they were gonna play Kansas. Tennis said Kansas
is not gonna play Bro. I already knew, Brother, I was.
I smelled that from a mala wood does a bell
poop in the woods? If I smack you with a
book with my left handers the mean and I'm right handed.
People have no idea what I'm saying, but what I'm
saying was I knew that he wasn't gonna play in
anticipation for this matchup. I hate the load managing, but
that's the right thing to do, because Ben, you and
myself we will be locked in on Saturday.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants to watch. Is my mama and my grandma watching?
Speaker 5: They get an aj Nam wrong to his D'SE get
these bounces, get it right, guys, but they're gonna be
watching the game too. Everyone wants to see this, Ben, everybody.
This is gonna determine the number one overall pick. I
truly believe it is, unless it somehow that they go
to double overtime or something and it's a heartbreaking loss
for one of the teams. Been this The winner of this,
I believe will solidify their their draft pick.
Speaker 2: I really believe it it will.
Speaker 5: And last time these two played, they both dropped over
I think forty five or fifty. Darren had I think fifty.
He hit the game winners. So AJ remembers that. Now,
obviously we won't get a chance to talk to AJ.
We will get a chance to talk to Kevin Young
tomorrow most likely for availability.
Speaker 2: But Ben, this is I hate to say it.
Speaker 5: I know people are gonna disagree with me, but because
of national attention, this game is arguably bigger than the
one that they lost on Monday, and I know people
gonna be run number one team in the country. No,
you're wrong, Well, no, BAU College Game Day for basketball
bo He's never been featured in that. That's gonna be
placed on Saturday too. So I think this is a
great matchup.
Speaker 6: Ben.
Speaker 4: Did you say, I'm my mama, on my mama.
Speaker 2: On my mama, on my mama, on my mama.
Speaker 4: I'll let you know that. Yeah, my Charlie boy.
Speaker 2: On one second, let me get it pulled up here.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah. I need that in my life.
I need it in my life. I need that. Yeah.
Whenever you whenever you.
Speaker 3: Say on my mama, I mean that that that means
something that's like Bible, you know, Book of Mormon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, in that hood, that means merch. Yeah, that means
that's something that's big.
Speaker 4: That's big. When you say on my mom anyway, is
a big game? Right.
Speaker 3: Projected two top picks in this next year's NBA draft
uh Pacers, Uh Jeremy Who's.
Speaker 4: Uh mock draft has Pacers.
Speaker 3: Going over as the number one overall team Sacramento Kings
at number two. They He states that Darren Peterson will
go number one overall and Darren Peterson this season twenty
one point six points per game, four point six rebounds
per game, one point nine of sister per game, forty
nine point three percent from the field, and forty two percent.
Speaker 4: From the three point on line.
Speaker 3: AJ's currently sitting at the top of the food chain
in scoring in college basketball at number one overall. Twenty
three points six points per game, six points seven rebounds
per game, three point six assists, fifty three percent from
the field, then thirty one point eight percent from the
three point line. Really impressive players, really impressive body of
work thus far.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I just why would you pick someone.
Speaker 3: That you know has played in half of half of
their games this season? I wonder, I just wonder if
Darren will continue to have issues with his health into
the NBA. So it will that will that decrease his
draft stock? It's a possibility, guys. Ken Palm, by the way,
gave his thoughts on the matchup right. Ken Pomp predicts
the remainder of BYU schedule. BYU u UH has a
thirty six percent probability of win not all that favorable.
Three percent chance of victory vers Okahoma State fifty four percent,
chances of victory versus Houston, Baylor was sixty six percent,
Colorado ninety two percent, Arizona and Arizona seventeen percent. At
McHale Center, I was State fifty three percent, UCF eighty
eight four percent, West Virginia sixty four, Cincinnati seventy and
then Texas Tech sixty seven percent. So that would put
BYU's projected direction for the full season at around almost
twenty four and seven right there. Twenty three and eight,
that's probably where they would be at right now.
Speaker 4: So that's you know, at worst, you're at worst. I'm
my mama on my hood.
Speaker 3: DYU basketball would look really good if they got the
twenty eight wins, But most likely, I think the most
likely scenario, right they're gonna get to twenty five wins.
Twenty five wins, baby, that's what I'm predicting right now,
as already they've already won to watch seventeen games with
eleven games remaining, boa could win a benny is what
twenty eight wins? How many losses will they have? It's
a good caution probability wise, it looks like they'll lose
the Kansas If Ken Popp is right, they lose to Arizona,
and maybe they lose to either Houston or Texas Tech again,
or maybe it's Iowa State, Houston, Iowash. I don't think
they lose the Texas tex I think they either lose
Houston or Iowas State.
Speaker 4: So that's mine.
Speaker 2: Both of those are at the Marriott Center. And Ben,
so that's tough too, losings, that's tough.
Speaker 5: I wouldn't I wouldn't disagree with you with one of
the losses coming between Houston and Iowa State.
Speaker 2: The Big twelve US is so tough.
Speaker 5: They gotta get Kansas though, Ben, I know that the
metrics and the numbers say that. But Kevin Young needs says,
I can't remember the last time this team has had
this much offensive like success and they drop back to
back games and last year, peop are gonna say, well, Ron,
they open, Yeah, but the team, the offense wasn't what
it was is now in the players. So you can't
lose this being. You need to quad what they're missing.
And I've listened to the national tension. I listen to
these bracketologists. I'm gonna start getting on in February.
Speaker 4: beIN.
Speaker 5: As the season gets on, they're all saying the same thing.
Where's the Premiere Quad one win on the road?
Speaker 4: Yep?
Speaker 7: This is it?
Speaker 5: So you can't drop Saturday, you really can't. I game
day is gonna be the game day. That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Daron Peterson is expected to be available per John ROSSI.
Speaker 2: Look, football, let us down, Ben and I know it
was tough.
Speaker 5: Lubbly was tough. They're pumping in crowd noise, they were antics.
Evan Johnson the win just you know, took the ball
to left, Trey dropped it. You know it wasn't all
the way locked in. You can't lose another Premier matchup.
Speaker 4: You can't.
Speaker 2: You just can't do it.
Speaker 5: It's gonna be a heartbreaker if you if you do,
and look, you'd be number thirteen and number fourteen, number thirteen,
BA your number fourteen.
Speaker 2: Kansas is going at it.
Speaker 4: BeIN no doubt about it.
Speaker 3: Let's talk a little bit about, you know, a little
bit more in depth with this this Kansas Jayhawk team.
How often John Rosston caught up with Bill self? How
often does Bill self think about winning a third national title.
Speaker 8: Oh, what you've gone through over the past couple of
years health wise has made you see the bigger picture.
And I know you're very grateful just to be able
to coach and be in the gym every day. But
you're still a competitor and you're still coaching at Kansas.
So I'm curious for you. For Bill self, how often
do you allow yourself to think about winning a third
national championship?
Speaker 6: And I haven't thought about it but about thirty minutes
so far today, Probably.
Speaker 4: Think about all time.
Speaker 6: You know, you know, I'm not saying we've done unbelievable,
but we've done fairly well. And the thing about it
is what drives you? What?
Speaker 3: What?
Speaker 6: Why?
Speaker 3: More?
Speaker 6: And the reason is is because you know you got
to get one and two so much better one and
three would be so much better two that that, to
me is what drives us.
Speaker 4: And that's what drives me.
Speaker 6: And I want to do this as long as we
can compete at the highest level. And in the last
two years we have not at the highest level. Now
we we we still been good, We've still being competitive, but.
Speaker 4: We have been nationally in the game.
Speaker 6: And this year, I don't know that we are quite yet.
I think we can't be very easily when we get
all our pieces. So that's what I want to do.
I want to be in the game. I want I
want to play in the games account the most, and
that's what that's what drives us.
Speaker 3: They go as Bill self always striving, always, you know,
thriving and trying to uh to figure out how to
win that third Natty, And is.
Speaker 4: This the year for him?
Speaker 3: Do you think this was the year that Kansas gets survived,
advance and find themselves in the National Championship Game?
Speaker 2: Oh, they would need a lot more to to work.
Speaker 5: Ben, I think Kansas and bore at that same level
of players that they have and can go to the
next level. I don't know though, Ben. I mean, look
I just watched number one Arizona. That's that's a little.
I know Bill self has thought about it and he
has the pedigree, but Tommy Lloyd has a team he
was under Mark Few that coaching tree. Look, it's gonna be,
It's gonna beat man. This big twelve is damn difficult,
isn't it been. It's just you have to just think
with how Arizona's playing, and Ben still Kelvin Samson. How
am I gonna be disrespectful of that? They were just
there so Tommy Lloyd, Kelvin Sampson, Arizona, Houston, I mean
Iowa State teas an Oscar Berger is still a good coach.
This is nothing against Bill self. Ben, he's a great coach.
But until I started to see Kansas put it together
more and it's all predicated upon your superstars. Darren Peterson's
in and out of games, So no, you're I don't
think they are national championship bound.
Speaker 2: I know that. It's just it's tough for me to
pick them.
Speaker 5: Ben, with Darren Peterson, who's supposed to be the number
one overall pick not not playing in games.
Speaker 6: Now.
Speaker 5: I know they beat Kansas State, but Kansas State is
so up and down a drum tank. I know they
beat Baylor, but he played it. It's just it's so tough.
You know, you got Iowa State, but without Darren is
just really tough. I mean, TCU almost got you and
they had to come back in a thriller. So I
just I can't put him up there just yet. With that,
I think they are Sweet sixteen team pushing to be
a you know, an Elite eight like BYU, but I
think they're in the same tier right now. I just
there are others in the Big twelve that I put over,
and if Darren's not in the lineup, they're not even
in that conversation. So not at all, Ben, I don't
think Kansas is a national championship contender just yet because
of the question mark with Peterson's health. And uh, look,
I think Bill self is at the he's at the
end of the ropes.
Speaker 2: I think in the.
Speaker 5: Next few years you could see that be it for him,
and I know people guse Ronn's I probably know it's not.
I think just away with these other programs and how
they're how they're recruiting and how they're playing, and how
everybody can pay fair market right now, Look, you couldn't
even get the guy that was coming from Texas Tech,
you know, and.
Speaker 2: Darien Williams he went to NC State.
Speaker 5: So I just feel like if you're losing out on that,
Kansas will still get recruits because of the blue Blood.
But I think they're gonna have to do some serious
and it's crazy that I'm gonna say rebuilding, but I
say that only because of Peterson's health. And how he's
not available as much. I think there's still a lot
of skin and left for Bill self. But right now,
there are other programs I look at around the country,
Ben not even in the Big twelve that I would
pick over Kansas first.
Speaker 3: Well, this is a premier matchup and we need the
best of AJ Debonts in order to beat this Kansas
Jayhawk team at fog Allen. In my opinion, and AJ,
per Jeff Borzella and Maya Metcalf is the number two
best player in college basketball right now. In their top
fifty men's college basketball players at midseason, Debonsee picked Vway
over the blue bloods that hope to sign the explodes
to six fin nine athlete and is paying off Kevin
Young's free flowing offenses position the Boston native divine for
the number one spot in the twenty twenty six NBA draft.
Averaging twenty three point six points per game, six point
eight rebounds, three point five assists in one point three steals,
de Bonsa has played like an All American while improving
each week, evolving into a player who can impact games
with or without the ball in his hands. His career
high forty three points effort, and Saturday's rivalry win over
Utah was an example of his growth. Now he had
one of his worst performances though, at home versus u
of a How will AJ react to that? Will we
see another Talia Tory high energy declarative performance from AJ
at fog Allen?
Speaker 4: Do you think, Ronny.
Speaker 5: I've thought about this a long way, Ben, and I'm
not ready to give my prediction. I can say this,
though we need a couple of data points. We had
one against Utah. I will say this. I think he
will be locked in. I don't think he'll shoot six
or twenty four Kevin Young. When they lose, they bounce back.
So there are a couple of your data points. I
don't want to predict too big, but I think a
J will show up against Kansas, no doubt. I think
Rob Wright will show up. I think Boy's gonna go
into fog out of the fieldhouse ready to play. It's
gonna be a great game, and we'll see We'll see
what happens. But yeah, I think AJ is gonna have
an all time great performance. It's gonna feel like an
elitiate atmosphere, Ben, it will feel like a Final four,
just like it did on Monday. It could very well
come down to the last possession. I would be shocked
if it wouldn't. These are two good teams, very well coached,
a lot of NBA talent. I mean what it was
thirty one ben scouts. You have the right number of
eighteen teams. I think the broadcast or thirteen, it's gonna
be more than that at this I mean, for crying
out loud, you're gonna have all thirty two teams there.
How many scouts will be there is the question because
everybody in their mom I'm serious, will be looking at this.
Speaker 2: I just hope that everybody.
Speaker 5: Look, I'm not trying to get sacrilegious, but I need
every body past president in the future, you know, to
be on BYU side and this because this is a
game that BAU needs heavily been to answer a lot
of questions. And if you do it on the biggest stage,
I think that's what will put BYU Basketball into the
conversations of maybe Elite eight now and maybe even Final
four of you can get this game, because up until
this point, it's not the Utah it's been. It's not
the TCUs you haven't passed the test in Texas Tech
or Arizona. Yet they need to pass this test Saturday,
and I'm looking forward to see what they do.
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Speaker 4: It's creating a.
Speaker 3: Little bit of buzz in the Big Twelve and in
college basketball. Jerome Take always willing to appine, always willing
to get an opinion on things that are occurring in
college basketball.
Speaker 4: Let's listen to.
Speaker 3: The much discussed moment from drum takes postgame conference after
they played West Virginia. He states, Kansas State should have
three other players on their roster right now, but the
MC double A is still playing.
Speaker 1: You know, as as the head coach of this program,
the CEO of it, to put together a team and
build a program that will be on that level year
in a year out. And I ain't figured that out
yet because they keep changing the rules on me.
Speaker 4: Right like.
Speaker 1: Once they get the rules set right like, then I
can have a consistent plan. Because there are three guys
that should be on my roster right now that are
not on my roster because the rules changed, okay, and
and that's not even the guys who are injured.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So if they will give me consistent rules, then I
know how to move forward and operate. And now we'll
figure it out because I got a staff that we're relentless.
We don't stop, you know. And so if we can
bring G League players in, I want to do it.
I want to find a judge in Kansas. That's gonna uh,
that's in case they judge, that's that's that's gonna give
us the you know, I mean that that's what they're
doing elsewhere, you know, no matter whatever, they're gonna allow
us to do. I want to do or stop everybody
from doing it. And let's let's all proceed the same way,
you know. And so I just just give me some
consistent rules and we'll get it done. But we're gonna
figure this thing out.
Speaker 3: Gotta figure it out. Joam Tang going off on the
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Doug Peterson played thirteen played thirteen NFL seasons as a
quarterback for the Eagles, Packers, Dolphins, and Browns. He's the
head coach of the He was the head coach of
the Philadelphia Eagles from two thousand sixteen to twenty twenty
in the Jacksonville Jaguars from twenty twenty two to twenty
twenty four, Super Bowl winning head coach in two thy seventeen.
Speaker 4: That's who they got signed up.
Speaker 3: To talk some Brigham football and just coaching in general.
There on March eighteenth, in the middle of spring ball,
in the middle of March madness. So Doug Peterson coming
to provo, ladies and gentlemen to teach all you coaches
what's up during the during the camp.
Speaker 4: There's so much.
Speaker 3: To do, so much to learn, So why don't you
take advantage of it and come on in and learn
a thing or two from some of these high level
coaches at Brigham Young University. A couple of other things
here as it relates to BYU football. I've been able
to confirm that Daniel Talmo we pay you, the brother
of new C. Talmoy pay officially transferred to BYU from
Eastern Washington. Welcome to the family, Daniel tam We pay
you what is Daniel tallmwoy pay you bring to the
Cougar football team and the Cougar The Cougar family know
he's a good football player. There's no doubt about it.
He's I believe he comes in as a sophomore if
I'm not mistaken. He remember he played high school football
at Westlake six foot, two hundred and twenty pounds. He
can play linebacker for the Coogs. We'll see how it
all plays out. But let's get out to the hotline.
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Let's welcome in Jeff Fuller, ESPN, the fan contributor, man
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Speaker 4: How the heck are you? Jeff?
Speaker 7: Hey doing great?
Speaker 1: Ben?
Speaker 7: How are you doing?
Speaker 4: I'm doing awesome as well.
Speaker 3: Appreciate you joining us to talk some metrics today, and
I want to lean into some of the data you've
been pulling recently and you've posted it on X the
ten most overrated team since twenty twenty ap preseason versus
final poll figures. Who are the most overrated teams in
college football during that time span, and what was the
reason for deligan to the data this time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, so you know, with the final A People coming out,
I have a running tally of sort of did you
start ranked? Did you finish ranked? In the A People,
and sort of tracking that ever since they started doing
preseason rankings back in nineteen fifty in the A People.
And you know that's one of the things that you
know BYU's pops at the the top of the list.
I guess we're really good at people underestimating us. I
guess is the best way to sort of phrase that
that UYU is consistently over pretty much every time period
that you look at seventy five years, fifty years, ten years,
twenty years, UI's the most underrated. You know, we end
up ranked more often than we start ranked, more than
any other team. But this analysis was a little different
because I didn't just look at you know, the AH
sort of byinary are are you ranked or not? Yes
or no? This was you know, where did you start
in the rankings and where did you end? And it
wasn't you know, a perfect, super clean way to do it,
because if you either started rinked or ended ranked. I
just automatically gave everyone a rank of thirtieth in the nation.
You know, obviously some finished in top of others receiving
votes and should have officially been you know, twenty six
or twenty seven, and others, you know, like Clemson were
six and seven and didn't get a single vote in
the poll, but started pre season number two, I think.
But so, but like Clemson there, they would have started
with a ranking of three but ended with a ranking
of thirtieth because they didn't end up ranked. So I'd
give them a thirty and that would be minus twenty
eight eight points in this system. And so looking over
the last six years, so since since twenty twenty, LSU
was the number one most overrated team Clemson, Penn State.
Actually don't have it, and I'm driving in my car now,
I probably I should should I'm not going to look
at my phone while I'm driving, but I'm able to talk.
But do you do you have it up there? Yeah?
Speaker 4: I let me let me pull it up really quick. Yeah,
you mentioned.
Speaker 7: LSU, USC was on there.
Speaker 3: I recall was like Wisconsin, Texas and Penn State, USC, Florida, Oklahoma,
U n C, and UH and Oregon.
Speaker 4: Uh So, out of those teams, what's what stands out
to you?
Speaker 7: Yeah? So, I mean the first thing that stands out
is there's not a single current Big twelve team in there,
So you know, take that for what it's worth. You know,
for for whatever a reason, most Big twelve teams don't
get a lot of preseason high but are in their way,
you know, higher in the rankings as well as we'll
see on the flip side of that top ten or
the bottom ten list of of what we what we're
talking about now, there's a top ten of the most
underrated teams. But the other things that pop out, I mean,
you got your blue blood brand bias, and even within
you know, most of them are obviously SEC and Big
ten teams, but there's I think, what was there two
or three ACC teams. We had Clemson, we had u
n C there. So yeah, there's there's there's for whatever reason,
teams in the East and in the sort of the
biggest two conferences tend to you know, the East or
the Southeast tend to tend to be a little more
overrated than teams out in the Mountain time zones tend
to be. And then there's Oregon and USC which you know,
they they've always been on the little overrated side. And
and you know Oregan's had great results, you know, especially recently,
but earlier on in the in the last six years,
weren't weren't quite meeting their expectations.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's uh, we know, b Y, you severely underrated.
And it's it is what it is, right, the most
underrated team in.
Speaker 4: The college football. But uh, who are some of the
team in basketball and basketball? Huh what is that? What's
your theory? I know we've discussed this more. What's your theory?
Have you have you uh? I mean have you gotten
into it even deeper recently?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's sort of a perfect storm in
the wrong way. It's it's all kinds of conscious and
uh or subconscious and real biases that sort of get
in there. And I'm talking about not just you know,
like a religious bias or a brand bias, but I'm
talking about like population and like the population of your state.
The time zone. Teams that are in the Mountain time
zone tend to get underrated quite frequently. And then religious
schools and private schools in general get a little underrated
in general compared to public schools, but you know, and
then BYU is a private religious school, so it's sort
of double one there. So it's sort of all of
them together that just sort of form a perfect storm,
with BYU of being underrated, you know, like Northwestern is
one of the most underrated teams. TCU is usually one
of the most underrated teams. So yeah, a lot of
times the private schools don't get quite the run and
the laudatory praise of AP voters either, you know, at
least in the preseason.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, man, it really is. You know, you have
these uh, these teams. It's picking it's picking helmets, right,
It's picking brands, is what they're doing.
Speaker 4: When will are we getting into an era? Okay?
Speaker 3: You look at the top most under top ten most
underrating teams b YU, Indiana, Ole, Miss, Tulane, TCU, Northwestern,
you to Boise State, Texas Tech, Houston, all these teams.
Most of these teams had good seasons. Indiana won a NATTI,
ole Miss was in the College Football Playoff and won
a game, right, and UH and Tulane got to the CFP. TCU,
you know, I think finished strong. Boise State had their
down down year, Texas Tech obviously went to the CFP.
Houston had a great season. This is what makes me
optimistic about the future of college football, with the leveling,
the evening out of the playing field, so that the
power brokers, the blue bloods, the ones that have bought
and paid for this power structure, the college football cartel
and kabala, it can all come public down before our eyes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, I would love to see the day.
But yeah, I mean, preseason rankings are here to stay.
You know, we will gnash our teeth and whine and
moan about them, but you know we love to gnash
our teeth and wine and moan about them. So that's
why they exist. And that's why you know they're going
for something to talk about, something to you know, engagement fodder.
I guess we could say, and you know, sometimes you know,
I don't. I don't think they purposely over rank or
under rank the team just just for clicks. But you
know there are these yeah, as you say, you know,
voting for helmets or logo, you know, logo brand bias.
That's a that's a real thing. And then it you know,
goes into the other biases that are important, the anchoring
biases where we we have these preseason teams that we
picked that we think are supposed to be good because
some combination of you know, there always good, or they
ended good and they're bringing this back, or they got
these recruits and no, boy, they should just be monsters
this year. Usually your your blue bloods and your bigger
brands and your SEC teams are going to sort of
dominate with a lot of that preseason height from from
recruiting rankings, but with anchoring bias. I mean, yeah, we
expect these teams to do good, so we rank them
in the top five. They may have to lose twice
before they fall out of the rankings. You know, they
can be three and two and have you know, three
pretty unimpressive wins, but still be in the rankings because
they were expected to be a top five team pre season.
I mean, and sometimes they end up being right, you know,
like Notre Dame. Weren't they one in two or two
and two or something early in the season, but still
stayed in the rankings and of course ended right there
on the college football bubble, and you know, maybe MAYBEAP
voters were right to keep them there, you know, with
those two relatively close losses, But you know, other teams
that don't have that big brand sort that don't have
that luxury and really have to sort of fight and
claw and impress people with either lopsided victories or you know,
just beating you know, or upsetting some teams that they
they're just not supposed to be before they can even
break into the rankings. So it's, you know, it's sort
of the haves and the have nots and the rich
get richer with the preseason rankings and the anchoring bias
that occurs from that.
Speaker 3: What is to be done, Jeff Buller? In order to
make it all right? You know, do we just throw
the eight people out of it all? Do we get
rid of it? Did we just say, hey, these guys
are credible, they never have been, they never will be.
Let's rid ourselves of this fodder.
Speaker 7: Ah, that would be great, But again I just explained
why that's never gonna happen. We love it too much.
Even if we're going to wine and moan, we we
love we love something to talk about and to beat
our chest. If you know, like, hey, we're going to
be like, hey, do I use preseason number twelve and
the eight people? You know, that's like maybe close to
the highest ever. I think By has never been a
preseason top ten team. I don't believe even after coming
off the national championship year. I think they were preseason
number eleven or twelve or something like that. So and
again it looks like, you know, yet again, b why
you won't be in the preseason top and even with
a pretty you know, we're finishing what eleventh or twelfth,
and we're bringing back a lot with a good recruiting
class too. So I think if we had a different
you know, if we had some longhorns on the side
of our helmet or a golden helmet, yeah, we'd be
you know, with what we're bringing back and where we finish,
we'd be a top you know, three four five team. Easy.
But you know, they just don't expect YU to do
that or be that.
Speaker 3: So Jeff, but I think we need an article about
this published on ESPN the fan.
Speaker 4: That's what we need.
Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yep. I can flush out the data and yeah,
you know, the data goes back, you know, quite a ways,
and it's I think it's very convincing that you know,
and you know to some degree this if you're always
ranked in the top ten preseason, it's hard to sort
of overperform. Like say you're ring number one preseason, you
can't overperform that, right, you have to finish number one
to sort of to be considered not overrated. And you
cannot conceivably be underrated when you start number one because
you'd have to finish number one, so you can only
be overrated. So that's sort of what the other side
of the coin that, you know, some of these bigger
brands are things like, of course underrated. We're starting, you know,
starting at number five. It's hard to overperform that too much.
And if we have a horrible year, all of a sudden,
we got this huge negative number. But when the same
teams keep popping up over every time period and by
big margins, you know USC, Notre Dame, Texas, Texas A,
and M, you know, those teams consistently pop up as
being hugely overrated over just about every time period. You
look at Notre Dame less so over the last ten
or twenty years actually, but some of those other teams
are just always there. Usc usc usc most overrated team
of all time.
Speaker 4: It's crazy, man.
Speaker 3: Well, I think BA is in a good spot BUA
is in a great spot all things considered, maybe they
can get over the hump. Maybe they can be you know,
you look at the national champions you know, the last
twenty years, it's hard to find a team anywhere near
the West Coast that is competitive and that wins Natty.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's it's been a while trying to think.
Was it Reggie Bush or no, excuse me, a Texas
Tech And even I think USC's last national championship was
uh I think wasn't it right before that year or
right after that year with Matt Leonard or something? But
even that, I think when there there were some some controversy,
some vacated wins or something. So some people even contest
that as you know, a national championship. But yeah, it's
it's tough to do for whatever reason. What's in the
playoff era CFP area era. It really you know that
geography shouldn't be a huge issue. But yeah, it may
just take time. Oregan's knocked on the door quite a
few times and never punched their way through. But both
yu can get there and do it. It's a I
don't think we're quite there. I think we're you know,
I really wish we just do do what Texas Tech
did and overspend for a couple just elite key linemen.
You know, even you know, we got some great people
maturing through the program. But you know, if you get
one or two game wreckers on the defensive line and
a and a receiver who's just you know, an NFL
first round draft pick, you know, those those are a
couple of key pieces that all the all the top
teams tend to have. And I just I wish I
think we're just lacking a couple of pieces to break
through and really make noise in the playoffs. I'd love
to be proven wrong though.
Speaker 3: Well, which what what do we miss it? What are
you what were you hoping for the portal oh specific edge?
Speaker 7: Yeah, just just a game wrecking defensive end. I mean
we've we've got good deep D tackles, but no one
who you know, you think of like Domingan su or
elite Lee Hunter last year for for Texas Tech. You know,
you think of David Bailey for Texas Tech on the edge,
you think of Baying for for Miami. You know, these
players that just couldn't be game changers, you know, and
sometimes it's just on you know, five or ten plays
through the game, but you know they're making you know,
wreaking have a there. And then these receivers, you know,
Indiana's receivers. You know, he got some first round guys there.
They're elite receivers with you know, I think we got
the quarterback who could possibly get us there. I don't
know if he's the tip top of the nation, but
he's he's definitely trending in that direction and I wouldn't
put it past him to take the next step. And
uh yeah, I think we got I think we got
the skilled players except for maybe one elite receiver, you know,
just to stretch the field, you know, take it over
the top burner and then yeah, and then at defense
end and maybe a defensive tackle that are just elite
game wreckers.
Speaker 4: Would love to see it.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: I think they feel pretty stacked right now, but you wonder.
I just know that's what I.
Speaker 7: Keep hearing that they're just they feel like they're stacked. Again.
I think there's lots of good talent and development. I
just I just don't think there's a first round draft
pick kind of guy game wrecker there, unfortunately. But I'd
love for them to prove me wrong.
Speaker 4: As I said, prove Jeff wrong.
Speaker 3: Let's go all right, Jeff, We'll always appreciate our time.
We'll be looking for that article. We got to make
this thing go viral. The tweet is picking up steam.
I saw a number of high profile Twitter users quote it,
talk about it, so we got to keep this up.
It's the college football offseason, this is the time, this
is the place.
Speaker 7: Yes, sir, we appreciate We'll do all right, Ben.
Speaker 3: All right, thanks, Jeff, always appreciate our time. Our favorite
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