Speaker 1: Freddy here. Now, there's a thing about chimneys. They're mostly round.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you'll get one with hexagonal bas like, but they're
Speaker 1: not common at all. And in all my lifetime I've
Speaker 1: only ever encountered one chimney that were octagonal. You were
Speaker 1: all right, big bustard too, But like all chimneys I
Speaker 1: went up against, I was the one left standing at
Speaker 1: the end of the day, ding ding, what's of dinner time?
Speaker 2: I'll see the ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 3: Listeners of the Tom and Jerry Show, please welcome the
Speaker 3: fighter to the left. I'm fighting straight out of temporary
Speaker 3: the man with the mustache, mister Tom oh money.
Speaker 2: And of course over there is Jerry Harry's keeping. Yes,
Speaker 2: how are you doing?
Speaker 4: It's Tom and Jerry Show Podcast, Extraordinary Ultimate Podcast. One
Speaker 4: would say, Tom, how are you keeping this week? Before
Speaker 4: we get into us.
Speaker 2: We got bears? You got bears? It's a new teams
Speaker 2: to have the new tea shirt. No, I didn't get them,
Speaker 2: but it turns out we had bears and I had forgot.
Speaker 2: I had put it in the back of my child brain.
Speaker 2: We went to clear the weekend. It's a long man
Speaker 2: away from here to there. Went to clear.
Speaker 4: A lot of people said the other journey in short,
Speaker 4: I was leaving that gate up, thank you.
Speaker 2: We went to Aliwie Caves, Yeah, is highly recommended, brilliant thing.
Speaker 2: Went to see some unbelievable birds of prey at prey.
Speaker 2: But we went into this cave at thirty one degrees.
Speaker 2: When we got into the cave, it was cool ten
Speaker 2: degrees in there. Oh the way, it was glorious. And
Speaker 2: they they what made him famous again, much like all
Speaker 2: these things around the world. A farmer founder, while chasing
Speaker 2: his fucking dog, fell the hole, fill the hole and
Speaker 2: dug out the hole and went Jesus, the poor bastard.
Speaker 2: He found it, discovered it, and then two cute fucking
Speaker 2: hor and neighbors said, we'd buy it after you yeap,
Speaker 2: cleaned it up and medic what is it on your
Speaker 2: whole midute ton of money off it. But they found
Speaker 2: baar bones, bear bones from way back in the Ice
Speaker 2: age times. Well they reckon, they were right up, They
Speaker 2: were here up till three They reckoned three thousand years ago.
Speaker 2: But I don't know, I don't know anyway.
Speaker 4: You know what I'm going to tell you, Tom, that
Speaker 4: we're lucky they didn't stick around any longer, said to me.
Speaker 2: Jerry, Jerry, the bear fighting fucking McBride. So I tell
Speaker 2: you wanted for the away caves. Tom. We were there
Speaker 2: at a school tour. So this is thirty years ago.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, at a stroll. But one of the tour
Speaker 2: guides there said something that has stuck with me to
Speaker 2: this day. Get down after fucking static might.
Speaker 4: Well it was I was actually stallic mightes. He was saying, okay,
Speaker 4: we went to the whole class. Does anybody know the
Speaker 4: difference between staling mites and stalic tights. I'm sure we
Speaker 4: were like, I don't know one one's one's the ones
Speaker 4: this and then even he goes, there's.
Speaker 2: An easy way of knowing, and he was dead series.
Speaker 2: He wasn't doing a bit. I think the same guy
Speaker 2: held onto this bit, but go on, he.
Speaker 4: Goes a static tight, holds tight to the ceiling, and
Speaker 4: he goes, okay, what's the stag might he goes the
Speaker 4: other one.
Speaker 2: I like that. It's like, you know, you hear that
Speaker 2: voice over every so often over just funny bits like
Speaker 2: a guy driving a tractor or something like back in
Speaker 2: the day, I'm sleeping with two with a beer of twins.
Speaker 2: People ask me how I told him aport Tina was
Speaker 2: gorgeous and Bob had a cock. I like those flat,
Speaker 2: those flatter answers on the the flip side. Yeah, well
Speaker 2: came here.
Speaker 4: Listen, we are going to jump into a show ladies
Speaker 4: and gentlemen. But it's a little bit different this week.
Speaker 4: It's just every now and then it just gets to.
Speaker 2: Be a little bit different.
Speaker 4: When Tom and I are divvying up the podcast and
Speaker 4: who's doing what, and you're weekly what have you? And
Speaker 4: your or we remember whence and indeed you're this lad.
Speaker 4: Sometimes they all merge into one and we have a
Speaker 4: bit of a struggle going like, well this lad actually
Speaker 4: is the weekly what have you? And as we mentioned them,
Speaker 4: now we could.
Speaker 2: And it all sort of merges like that. On on
Speaker 2: occasion we just go fuck it.
Speaker 4: We can make a fair episode out of this in
Speaker 4: one goal, and that is what we are doing today, folks,
Speaker 4: myself and mostly mister Tom o'maddny, predominantly mister tomu'manney, will
Speaker 4: be taking a look at the rise in our lifetime
Speaker 4: of the UFC.
Speaker 2: If it's a thing that you're going arah, fuck this,
Speaker 2: trust me, Neither one of us are experts in this.
Speaker 2: I know a tiny bit more than Jerry, so this
Speaker 2: will be more We're all holding hands to get through this,
Speaker 2: so it'll be more crack than it is factual. I
Speaker 2: can promise you that. So, and there's not a quiz
Speaker 2: at the end of it. There isn't, so hold on.
Speaker 2: This isn't a funny indulgence for myself and Jerry go.
Speaker 2: You know, we've been waiting for so long. But do
Speaker 2: you know what this will do?
Speaker 4: Jr.
Speaker 2: Because the UFC gets mentioned so often in just tit
Speaker 2: bits while dipping in and out of other things. I
Speaker 2: think this might actually just put a cap on that
Speaker 2: we might ever speak at the UFC again, unless something
Speaker 2: fucking unless something else comes around.
Speaker 4: We were going to just do we remember the rise
Speaker 4: of the UFC, and it was no chance it would
Speaker 4: fit into.
Speaker 2: Not a hope, and we've we've cows to feed. Dam
Speaker 2: this is the problem. There's cows to be fed, there's
Speaker 2: and there's you know, all sorts to be milked. We
Speaker 2: couldn't possibly and it was like that you just rushed
Speaker 2: through it and evidently you get you would get people
Speaker 2: going raic for Fox. He missed all this bit more
Speaker 2: than anything. It's the kind of it snuck up on
Speaker 2: our lives. And as Jerry was telling me beforehand, he've
Speaker 2: made a valid point and went, this is the one
Speaker 2: sport on that's kind of happened. Grown didn't die in
Speaker 2: a toll, because plenty of sports have died in their hole.
Speaker 2: A lot of it flourished in a relative shorts to
Speaker 2: the time that you know, the turtles were nearly out
Speaker 2: before this.
Speaker 4: You know, honestly, when you look back at the early
Speaker 4: seeds of what became to give it as proper title,
Speaker 4: it's UFC is like McDonald's. The sport itself is mixed
Speaker 4: martial arts. But the very seeds of that tom like
Speaker 4: when we look at it, we were looking at that
Speaker 4: like in the in the early nineties.
Speaker 2: That's it it was. It was the brainchild of a
Speaker 2: guy called Art Davy and one of you'll nearly juju
Speaker 2: nearly want if you've ever smelt martial arts, you have
Speaker 2: heard of the Grazie family from Brazil. Their father, Horian
Speaker 2: I think he was Horian, went to Japan to learn
Speaker 2: jiu jitsu and said, you know what, a bit of capuware,
Speaker 2: a bit of our natural flexibility, I bet i could
Speaker 2: do better, and he developed and had registered. I got
Speaker 2: it registered Brazilian jiu jitsu. You'll often hear just be BJJ,
Speaker 2: and it is I hate to tell the Japanese legs,
Speaker 2: but it is a bit more of the time. The
Speaker 2: two of them came together and kind of joined up
Speaker 2: with another group to set set this up back in
Speaker 2: like ninety three to go, and the whole.
Speaker 4: Swear, I swear it might have been earlier than that,
Speaker 4: Tom because the one the one introduction that I had
Speaker 4: to what was Brazilian jiu jitsu was lethal weapon or
Speaker 4: Brazilian jiu jitsu was young so old at this Dingy
Speaker 4: mel Gibson is fighting with Brazilian jiu jitsu. When he's fighting,
Speaker 4: mister Joshua, get that piece of ship off my lawn.
Speaker 4: And I like, up to that point, the fights that
Speaker 4: we had seen in movies were like Rocky it was boxing,
Speaker 4: or was the Karate Kid?
Speaker 2: It was straight up kung fu. And then you see
Speaker 2: Mel Gibson getting Gary Busey in like a triangle choke
Speaker 2: on the ground, and like, what the fuck am I
Speaker 2: looking at here? Why isn't he just bit his balls off? Yeah? Yeah, oh,
Speaker 2: this is the thing. That it. There's so many tiny
Speaker 2: little nuances and you'd nearly go fox Sake, this is
Speaker 2: too hard for like, there's so many like teams. She went,
Speaker 2: I get the pointing bone at the edge of my
Speaker 2: knee around his ankle there, and what I'll do is
Speaker 2: that form of ful crumb. Like this guy was an
Speaker 2: engineering genius the way he came up with this fucking thing.
Speaker 2: But like he started down the road to you know,
Speaker 2: to better the Japanese jujitsu, there had been like a
Speaker 2: year in going I might forget not near fuck im,
Speaker 2: but he persisted. He developed this and actually had like that.
Speaker 2: He had actual like Bruce Lee had back in the day,
Speaker 2: you know, bringing kung fu to the Guilo. He got
Speaker 2: himself a bunch of people like in America. So at
Speaker 2: this state, she got himself a bunch of participants to
Speaker 2: as as students say, his class. But he's still he
Speaker 2: fancied himself. He was like, I'd say, I'm after developing
Speaker 2: anything here that's that could beat this ship out of
Speaker 2: any form of you know, combat sport anything.
Speaker 4: We would have to have some sort of tournament to
Speaker 4: to to see if that statement is actual, Tom, wouldn't.
Speaker 2: We and that's where businessman Art Davy and he absolutely
Speaker 2: looks like he no problem like here, you know, he's
Speaker 2: so if anybody just just google a picture of Art
Speaker 2: Davy and he so looks like a businessman you can
Speaker 2: approach with this mental idea and he's like a like
Speaker 2: a kid. And he approached him. And of course he
Speaker 2: had people in you know, the like the Semaphore Entertainment
Speaker 2: Group who were like, let's fucking do it, all right.
Speaker 2: They put you know, these guys were probably the first
Speaker 2: to put on bull riding mad shite where people might
Speaker 2: get killed during it, and they put this whole thing together.
Speaker 2: And the only state that would let it because it
Speaker 2: was just you see they make it out like McCain
Speaker 2: and never knocked it back back in the day, was like, no,
Speaker 2: you're not having that in our state and other centers,
Speaker 2: you're not having that hour State HiT's human cockfighting and
Speaker 2: the Army was was like, well those boxing so was boxing,
Speaker 2: but you see they're in lies. The issue boxing was
Speaker 2: so powerful. I mean you were talking about the Mike
Speaker 2: Tyson Ivander Holyfield era. We were like, you know, Riddick
Speaker 2: Bow you you know, if these phenomenal names and like
Speaker 2: there's no fucking way the Union of the WBC and
Speaker 2: the w you know WBA are going to let this
Speaker 2: ship into the into their states. But they Denver Colorado,
Speaker 2: which I would imagine it's probably gone a bit the
Speaker 2: other way. They probably wouldn't let it in these days,
Speaker 2: but they allowed it. On November twelfth, nineteen ninety three,
Speaker 2: they allowed it in. And this was the day of
Speaker 2: I'm guessing the sort of con fans that would have
Speaker 2: brought in would have been fucking maniacs to go to
Speaker 2: you remember e CW. You remember that Mad Ship lads.
Speaker 4: I was just going to say, probably like the lads
Speaker 4: to go to the power Slap Lead. Yeah, just like
Speaker 4: people that just want to see blood boxing is too
Speaker 4: tame for them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they got to see see a bleak you know,
Speaker 2: this kind of way, and and that was that was that,
Speaker 2: And then they made kind of fuck all on that
Speaker 2: and it kind of died in this whole bit. But
Speaker 2: they did make a good few pound on the video
Speaker 2: that went around the world. You'll have all have seen
Speaker 2: kind of the cover of it as some sage. You know,
Speaker 2: it's like a ball guy in his underpants holding two
Speaker 2: giant fists. Out standing over the world, you know, that
Speaker 2: kind of one. You know, if you asked Ai now
Speaker 2: to make it, that's what it would make.
Speaker 4: Yeah, am I am I right in saying now that
Speaker 4: the very early elements of this mixed martial arts doesn't
Speaker 4: look like what we would would see nowadays. It really
Speaker 4: what the style of MMA today is. I do a
Speaker 4: bit of box and a bit of grappling and do
Speaker 4: a bit of everything. But back then it was oh, no,
Speaker 4: I'm a jiu jitsu guy fighting. Well, that is a
Speaker 4: glass boxer.
Speaker 2: That's it. You see. It wasn't even trying to develop
Speaker 2: a new thing, which is what MMA now is. It
Speaker 2: is its own Like they should give it an Asian name,
Speaker 2: you know, really like they should give it a cool
Speaker 2: Asian name now because it genuinely is its own thing.
Speaker 2: There are things in it we go, oh, that looks
Speaker 2: like the thing from digitsu elements, that's a shoot from wrestling,
Speaker 2: or that's you know, double hooks, or that's a tekwondo
Speaker 2: style cake or but all put together, you'd have to say,
Speaker 2: you wouldn't see them, you know, you never see the
Speaker 2: whole lot of them together and anything. So it's become
Speaker 2: one thing. No, when it started first, Gracie really was
Speaker 2: self indulgent to God, of course, he was just going,
Speaker 2: let's see who's the f And Bruce Lee tried to
Speaker 2: putting something like this together years ago. He was like,
Speaker 2: come at me, Bro, and that's essentially what he was saying.
Speaker 2: So he put his son. I think it's either his
Speaker 2: son or his brother. I don't know the Grazy family.
Speaker 2: They're they're fucking rakes of them. But you would read
Speaker 2: it as Royce grazy. But Brazilian people say heis, so
Speaker 2: he's heist crazy. I've heard the name heyst grazy, yes,
Speaker 2: so he would be introduced to it. And Ken Shamrock
Speaker 2: was shoot fighting, which is would be kind of wrestling,
Speaker 2: but to be you know, it's done in boots. You
Speaker 2: can kick the fucking head off each other. You're a
Speaker 2: guy called it's street fighting, but he you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. He was a martial artist like he He
Speaker 2: was a tough bastard. Him and his brother more than him.
Speaker 2: In a second, another guy called uh Gerard Gardieux. He
Speaker 2: was savat, which I think is a French or it
Speaker 2: could be wrong of Belgian. I could be fair wrong.
Speaker 2: At this night, I think these are all I see there.
Speaker 4: These are all individual components that they specialized in, but
Speaker 4: the MM we would watch the day is very.
Speaker 2: Much the special fried rice of it all. Now got
Speaker 2: a bit of fucking everything now you said it now
Speaker 2: because there was Takwanda from Patty Smith. There was a
Speaker 2: fellow Ark Jimmerson who's in their boxing, Zayan Fraser was
Speaker 2: karate and Ken Rosier was kickboxing. And then they had
Speaker 2: Tea Tooley who was of simone but he was a
Speaker 2: sumo guy. Which is I mean, this is this is
Speaker 2: street fighter. This is street fighters coming in at the end. Yeah,
Speaker 2: it really like it's it was the original real life committee.
Speaker 4: I've got a little something here, Okay, yeah, what have
Speaker 4: you got? So so so this is like this is
Speaker 4: like mid nineties and the UFC started to kind of
Speaker 4: even wasn't you know it wasn't the UFC. Yeah, but
Speaker 4: the Ultimate Fighter started to gain traction among those No,
Speaker 4: there was no Internet back in the time, but we
Speaker 4: became aware that there was a thing that was wrestling
Speaker 4: but real it sounded coolish.
Speaker 2: Shit, you know, it's wrestling, but you.
Speaker 4: Really are trying to kill each other. I took a
Speaker 4: look back through my old Power Slam magazines which is
Speaker 4: no restaurant magazine. I used to collect in the in
Speaker 4: the in the nineties, and they started releasing annuals with
Speaker 4: all the all the back issues in it and as
Speaker 4: much as they would do wrestling results from from all
Speaker 4: around the world and or yeah look here sorry, talk
Speaker 4: about yourselves. So here's for everything that happened, everything that
Speaker 4: happened in e c W. And then they would have
Speaker 4: just the one smallest little column for UFC as and
Speaker 4: when it happened, I mean, yeah, yeah, get a month
Speaker 4: when we had some UFC on yeah, and and this
Speaker 4: was as much you knew about the UFC.
Speaker 2: Here we go.
Speaker 4: UFC Championship seven held in Buffalo, New York, Mark Hall,
Speaker 4: Jerry Harris, uh and and there's a man there, Ken
Speaker 4: Wayne Shamrock.
Speaker 2: Ken Wayne Shamrock used to go by the three names
Speaker 2: until someone.
Speaker 4: Said, you know, we don't need it. We actually believe
Speaker 4: that you are a serial killer. You don't have to
Speaker 4: have the middle name with it, you know, Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: rested on fourteen cans of murder Kane Wayne Shamrock. Now
Speaker 4: that's someone got the pr So it was starting to
Speaker 4: leak into what you and I would know as as
Speaker 4: a thing, and if we knew about it without the
Speaker 4: Internet time, it had to be making some waves somewhere.
Speaker 2: I ID magazines kind of like that. They just you know,
Speaker 2: it didn't let up as as immaculate as your once
Speaker 2: back in the ninety but yeah, I remember I did.
Speaker 2: I had a I'd won't say a subscription, but I'd
Speaker 2: get it anytime. I don't know if pocket money would
Speaker 2: be martial arts magazines, and it verably, it was so
Speaker 2: envious of all the American guys because they'd such a
Speaker 2: good tournament set up, like not no a fellows have
Speaker 2: one hundred fucking trophies by the end of the litter,
Speaker 2: like you know, and you're gonna get to fight every
Speaker 2: three months. That's it because we just didn't have them here.
Speaker 4: So so just sticking on wrestling for one little second.
Speaker 4: This is like mid nineties, ninety five, ninety six, and
Speaker 4: that man we just mentioned there, Kane Wayne Shamrock, made
Speaker 4: the leap over to the ww F and round about
Speaker 4: ninety seven ninty eight with another guy called Dan Severn,
Speaker 4: and they were the quote unquote shoot fighters like when
Speaker 4: they came. And I want to say that it was
Speaker 4: a big get for WWF at the time to sign
Speaker 4: these people like it was okay, you know that hot
Speaker 4: shit new thing that UFC everybody's been hearing about over
Speaker 4: the last five or six years.
Speaker 2: Well, we got a couple of their stars.
Speaker 4: To come in and and do it with us. Not
Speaker 4: unheard of, still happens to this day, and Ken Shamrock
Speaker 4: was probably the guy that that got to be the
Speaker 4: biggest of that. Now, I didn't see any UFC at
Speaker 4: the time, but I was watching the wrestling and Ken
Speaker 4: Shamrock was there looking like he was about to fucking marbles.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came up like he was. He was in
Speaker 2: the first one. Obviously his brother showed up. I mean
Speaker 2: they're both adopted, you know what I mean. But they
Speaker 2: both took the Shamrock name from their father. Marketing. Baby,
Speaker 2: it's it's a marketing it's a great name, fighter's name.
Speaker 2: It's a great name. No connection with Ireland whatsoever. He Yeah,
Speaker 2: he came over and he was a huge success because
Speaker 2: he looked great, good looking. But but you know, this
Speaker 2: fellow hadn't a pro wrestlers face. This guy had a
Speaker 2: face that had taken a fucking heighten for a long time,
Speaker 2: but a body which was a great time in UFC
Speaker 2: because this was the early nineties. It was at this
Speaker 2: stage now it had kind of like it was still
Speaker 2: circling the fucking drain. Really, it didn't know what it was.
Speaker 4: And it was a lot of small businesses tom struggling
Speaker 4: in the early years.
Speaker 2: And this is the thing. They obviously didn't have the
Speaker 2: wherewo all to pay what senators they needed to pay.
Speaker 2: This is the reality of it, like because as we
Speaker 2: know about American sports, any sports, but American sports especially
Speaker 2: money glasses over everything. And but they'd gotten him in
Speaker 2: the nineties, and a lot of them at that stage,
Speaker 2: like they like some Mark Kerr, who the Rock just
Speaker 2: played in a Yes, Mark Coleman, there was a couple
Speaker 2: of they were like Don Fry. A lot of people
Speaker 2: will see image of Don Fry outstanding mustache, known as
Speaker 2: the Predator. But we're jacked to the fucking max because what.
Speaker 4: Was the what was the steroid testing like back then.
Speaker 2: It it was it was all right up there with
Speaker 2: have you ever seen Basco? Never? Right, no steroids and
Speaker 2: you then that's where it was at. It was gloriously
Speaker 2: fucking loosey goosey, And it was great because lads lads
Speaker 2: were just fucking monsters. Like it didn't it didn't it can.
Speaker 2: I think it was actually the dreamy scenario we described
Speaker 2: in the Steroid Olympics that we wanted to see mid
Speaker 2: to late nineties in mixed martial arts, the UFC was
Speaker 2: some of the greatest things you'll ever see because these
Speaker 2: mutants will walk out from behind the curtain and this
Speaker 2: was There was no pomp, there was no fucking oh
Speaker 2: holding a fucking four to two in the year. These
Speaker 2: lads were going out and I was like, you you
Speaker 2: might fight three times in the night. The way they
Speaker 2: ended up organizing it after a while, like there was
Speaker 2: K one then was like one fight in the night
Speaker 2: or one tournament in the night, and that was interested.
Speaker 2: Okay one was a similar thing, but it was based
Speaker 2: off of the back of kickboxing, but it was the
Speaker 2: Japanese and it wasn't pride another thing. Pride is, yeah,
Speaker 2: pride is another thing. It was pride still holds and
Speaker 2: a lot of fellas tipped the cap to that. They're
Speaker 2: like a lot of fucking big Dad. He's like fado
Speaker 2: A Milionenko, who would have been considered the greatest that
Speaker 2: has ever done it. Never came to the UFC because
Speaker 2: he was like, I don't need them when they are
Speaker 2: like Japanese men and Euroka. I don't know if they
Speaker 2: looked into his backstory with the men ever make it
Speaker 2: back out of but the money was never there. It
Speaker 2: was never right for him, and that was the one
Speaker 2: apparently they but he was one of the few that
Speaker 2: just looked like a dead bod. But he was the
Speaker 2: real fable against fighting. But they were gloriously jacked, Jerry.
Speaker 2: They were fucking massive. It was great, and they the
Speaker 2: fucking brain cells out of each other.
Speaker 4: Was this I want to this, I want to linger
Speaker 4: on for just a that second because if there was
Speaker 4: one thing that would sell it in the wrestling magazines
Speaker 4: that I was reading was that it was a It
Speaker 4: was an absolute blood but it was carnage. Yeah, it
Speaker 4: was like beyond It was like, you know, change the
Speaker 4: canvas after every match. This is just beyond the pale
Speaker 4: h And I had no avenue to watch it at
Speaker 4: the time, but I was.
Speaker 2: I was intrigued, Tom, I was intrigued.
Speaker 4: So where are we now on the timeline?
Speaker 2: So we're we're heading up now. It's dying on its
Speaker 2: whole right. It is unfortunately it is. It's getting there
Speaker 2: getting boxed out with everything right, because they can't get
Speaker 2: it in to fucking any place. It's just struggling and
Speaker 2: like that McCain is, I called it cock fighting and
Speaker 2: get a human cock fight. And it was just not
Speaker 2: fucking doing well. This is in the late like ninety
Speaker 2: eight ninety nine. They were going wrapping it up and
Speaker 2: it was backwards. Now they deport. The fucking thing was
Speaker 2: in the hole. And that's when a small time boxing promoter,
Speaker 2: Dana White, partners two very successful casino owners. It is
Speaker 2: called for Tita brothers, Lorenzo and Frank, who rich kids.
Speaker 2: They got left to be casino. But to be fair
Speaker 2: with him, they took the ball and ran with They
Speaker 2: owned the Red Rocks. They settled then and just ran
Speaker 2: that casino they could have. And they now have the
Speaker 2: Red Rocks, you know, all the ones there, and they
Speaker 2: have a bunch of meat companies and stuff like that,
Speaker 2: like and I don't know where they're out like rock trailers. No,
Speaker 2: that's on by a Monahan man. I'm just going to say, no,
Speaker 2: the Red Rock casinos, you know, right, that'd be hilarious
Speaker 2: if they owned the fucking trailer fucking plant in. I
Speaker 2: only UFC fight in the back of a red rock trailer.
Speaker 2: We can get that organized because Mickey, Mickey Core is
Speaker 2: the man's name. I know his daughter very well. She's
Speaker 2: married a good friend of mine, and I couldn't believe,
Speaker 2: like I went to the plowing Championship and she was
Speaker 2: saying she couldn't get her father only just bought it,
Speaker 2: bought him out, and Lad's just work queuing up like
Speaker 2: he was Marty Moont, just to talk to the guy
Speaker 2: to the bader. But anyway, in this period they bought
Speaker 2: it for two million, formed a company called Zufa. You'll
Speaker 2: still see Zufa, the Zefa little logo pop up and
Speaker 2: things in the corner. And it was gone for It
Speaker 2: was bollocksed. It was absolutely bolloxed. And they say, like
Speaker 2: they say, the Ultimate Fighter, right, and we'll get onto
Speaker 2: this in a minute, that that was the thing in
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, that really's Catapultar. But they reckon,
Speaker 2: and Dana White will tell you that it was. He was.
Speaker 2: He was clearing out their office. They bought all the
Speaker 2: gear everything. They wouldn't take everything, take the pens, take
Speaker 2: fucking the desks, everything, and moving it. I'm assuming that
Speaker 2: I think they were moving into Las Vegas from New
Speaker 2: York or whatever. And he went to he just had
Speaker 2: boxes and boxes of tapes of fight videos. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: he's gone better go through some of these to see
Speaker 2: what gett a bit of a backstory in who we
Speaker 2: have on the roster, who's working, who's working the fucking
Speaker 2: mic on these things. And he went through and he
Speaker 2: found a young lad with hair at the time called
Speaker 2: Joe Rogan, and Joe Rogan was a stand up who
Speaker 2: was a martial artist. And he went, fuck hell, this
Speaker 2: fellow knows way more about all of this shit than
Speaker 2: any of us. So he rang him up and said, Joe,
Speaker 2: I haven't the pot to piss in. I'm backwards fucking
Speaker 2: over a million million dollars and have about four million
Speaker 2: to fucking spend on this thing to get it out.
Speaker 2: Would you have any interest in coming along. I'll pay
Speaker 2: you a few hundred quidies. I'll do it for nothing.
Speaker 2: Joe did his first fourteen for nothing. He's because I
Speaker 2: love martial arts that much. If you'll let me talk
Speaker 2: to martial artists like a little nerd. So right, okay,
Speaker 2: and you come so but it was by all accounts,
Speaker 2: he was an actor on a TV show as well
Speaker 2: at the time, so he gave it a bit of providence,
Speaker 2: and also good looking fellow, smart and fair, knew what
Speaker 2: he was talking about.
Speaker 1: He was like the the.
Speaker 2: Fucking the Marty Morrissey of the US. He said, Joe
Speaker 2: Rogan today, who I believe.
Speaker 4: Has a podcast as well, not not to the caliber, right, Yeah,
Speaker 4: but I have said this to you before on this show, Tom,
Speaker 4: that on occasion, and for the very fucking longest time,
Speaker 4: I thought Joe Rogan and Dana White were the same person.
Speaker 2: I'd never seen Dinna White went a scrap of hair.
Speaker 2: Joe had hair back in the day.
Speaker 4: So I've always known him to be bold, and he
Speaker 4: would come in and interview the guys at the end
Speaker 4: of those of the mic up to his face like this, yeah,
Speaker 4: and you.
Speaker 2: Get a look at him and you're like, that's the
Speaker 2: same fucking dude. Tom. I want to I want to.
Speaker 4: I want to throw throw one out in case we're
Speaker 4: losing any of our listeners. Where where's the Where's where's
Speaker 4: the where's the fucking I've never watched the UFC in
Speaker 4: my life. Where's my bit? I'm gonna throw you in
Speaker 4: a little bit here, ladies and gentlemen of the Tom
Speaker 4: and Jerry Show, it was a Ryan about this time,
Speaker 4: I want to say, in ninety eight, ninety nine, maybe
Speaker 4: a little earlier than Tom's talking about, before the UFC
Speaker 4: ran out of money all together. We can tell you
Speaker 4: where the UFC was with this one very simple thing.
Speaker 4: The UFC showed up in several episodes of Friends. It
Speaker 4: is the biggest fu sitcom in the world at the time,
Speaker 4: and the storyline was that Monica's boyfriend, who was like
Speaker 4: a rich, eccentric billionaire kind of a dude being played
Speaker 4: by fucking Johnaux Johnau.
Speaker 2: Can I say that? Funny? John? What am I saying?
Speaker 2: This is like you and the Sillage now all over
Speaker 2: again as Siloch. But it's all right, John Favreau. He's
Speaker 2: a sound fellow. He listens to this, he'll be sounding
Speaker 2: off about it. He makes a lovely sandwich. Apparently.
Speaker 4: Anyway, he was Curt and Monica and she thought she was.
Speaker 4: She saw a receipt that he was buying a ring.
Speaker 4: She's like, oh my god, I'm getting a ring. But
Speaker 4: in actual fact, he was buying an octagon to practice.
Speaker 2: UFC and she.
Speaker 4: Was like, what the fuck is that, but he had
Speaker 4: to explain, like, you know, it's it's it's the Ultimate
Speaker 4: Fighter and I'm gonna fight I think, and I think
Speaker 4: in the episode he goes on to fight tank Abbott
Speaker 4: fucking smashed in.
Speaker 2: Three seconds and it sticks with me to this day.
Speaker 4: Like Joey calls out in the hall like fights on
Speaker 4: and then there's just beat and he goes, fight's over.
Speaker 2: It's on the weekend.
Speaker 4: He said that at the weekend. More on that at
Speaker 4: the end of the show. Okay, so we've got it.
Speaker 4: We've got we've got some friends exposure for the good
Speaker 4: that does us. Although in Friends they made jokes about
Speaker 4: how it was literally human cockfighting, but I.
Speaker 2: Mean, at the same time regards you couldn't know. Any
Speaker 2: exposure is good exposure. And this is like it was
Speaker 2: it hooked the census where people are like, oh and
Speaker 2: as a child, as you know, as a teenager, you're
Speaker 2: going this sounds cool as shit. It's the committee, do
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? It is literally blood sport.
Speaker 2: Like if anybody it's a it's a it's a video game.
Speaker 2: It is an excitement where you're like, okay, so we're
Speaker 2: going to see who's the best, right, We're gonna see
Speaker 2: who the fucking best is.
Speaker 4: So the elements are coming together here, Tom, We've got
Speaker 4: Dana White in place, We've got Joe Rogan in place,
Speaker 4: We've got a little bit of national exposure. People if
Speaker 4: they've never seen the UFC are at least somewhat familiar
Speaker 4: with it.
Speaker 2: They are at the stage because it's some brilliant, iconic things.
Speaker 2: We're done. I you know, Okay, it's got the rules,
Speaker 2: that's gone, and I think that one of the biggest draws.
Speaker 2: And you notice as a restling fan is the ring itself, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's an octagon? Why not the gun? Why not? Because
Speaker 2: it's not a squared circle. It's not the boxing the
Speaker 2: Queensburry rules wrestling, it's not it's not what we consider
Speaker 2: right because you go, well, if it's wrestling, it's on
Speaker 2: a flat mat and it's open. If it's Brazilian jiu
Speaker 2: jitsus on a flat mat. If it's boxing, it's got
Speaker 2: you know, three ropes. If it's wrestling's got three No,
Speaker 2: we're going to put it in a cage. It makes
Speaker 2: it it's all the cooler it was cool the cooler
Speaker 2: it was cool when Thunderdome it was cool. It's it's
Speaker 2: cool in every sense of the world. As a kid,
Speaker 2: it's the you know, and people criticize it to this day.
Speaker 2: Even I've heard your man rogue and go, what's a
Speaker 2: terrible idea. I think you should be in a kind
Speaker 2: of a bold out padded he said, then people could
Speaker 2: really get after each other. Like he says, now you're
Speaker 2: able to get a finger into the old chicken wire
Speaker 2: and you can kind of cheat a bit with it
Speaker 2: and stuff. But it is, it is what it is. Now,
Speaker 2: it is what it is.
Speaker 4: And like you know, they stopped calling it cage fighting,
Speaker 4: but kept the cage, which I think is a masterstroke.
Speaker 2: Tom.
Speaker 4: I absolutely wonderful marketing there. We kept the cage. We
Speaker 4: just didn't say it's a KFC. We stopped calling it.
Speaker 4: We just called the KFC. And people are like, I
Speaker 4: guess there's got vitamins in it.
Speaker 2: Now, just don't make it threes and I love let's
Speaker 2: hit down for some fried See. No, it's not fried chicken,
Speaker 2: it's KFC. It's a whole different thing. It's not cage fighting,
Speaker 2: it's an octagon. I then it's a trick by not
Speaker 2: lowering it from the ceiling like wrestling.
Speaker 4: So the elements that we know of UFC have started
Speaker 4: to coming. And I must be said, now this is
Speaker 4: a tricky ten to fifteen year stretch to get here
Speaker 4: from this obscure sport brought in from rigil have you
Speaker 4: to get to where we are here now?
Speaker 2: This is this is.
Speaker 4: Where a lot of businesses have failed already, you know,
Speaker 4: and and and we never hear hear from this again,
Speaker 4: and people talk about what was that fucking mad ship
Speaker 4: that used to be on Channel four in the evening.
Speaker 4: The UFC is about to bust through that glass ceiling
Speaker 4: and move forward to how they do that.
Speaker 2: They did it because they were right at the cost
Speaker 2: where there was if you wanted to be a fucking
Speaker 2: a singer, you want to be a stage performer, there
Speaker 2: was a magician, whatever you wanted to be. There was
Speaker 2: a making the band. Yes, you know, put them all
Speaker 2: in the house, watch them like big brother. Really somebody
Speaker 2: very smart. So what big brother was that made it
Speaker 2: into making the band? You know, making the team all
Speaker 2: these things. And we could do the same with fighters, and.
Speaker 4: We can do we can do we can get you
Speaker 4: get ten fighters, put them in the house Roll cameras
Speaker 4: on it like it's the Jersey Shore and now it's
Speaker 4: the cheapest TV you ever had in your life.
Speaker 2: And your net. You couldn't ask for better entertainment in
Speaker 2: the sense. I wasn't a big fan of reality TV anyway,
Speaker 2: so I never watched much of it, but I understood
Speaker 2: you're putting fighters like you're putting high end probably most
Speaker 2: of them are either high end of from a martial
Speaker 2: arts background now at this stage, because it's not the
Speaker 2: grab Marst that was going on in the mid nineties
Speaker 2: is gone. This now is you have, you know, lads
Speaker 2: who are NCAA champions at matt Wrestling. You know, much
Speaker 2: like brock Lesna was all Americans valid career opportunity out
Speaker 2: there exactly like some lads are just built for war
Speaker 2: like and exactly when you're very good at it, and
Speaker 2: this opportunity is put in front of you where it's
Speaker 2: like a UFC contract at the end of it. And
Speaker 2: also you're not putting Okay, there's not going to be
Speaker 2: a bunch of genius in there, but then neither is
Speaker 2: Love Island. But it's at least you can go, well,
Speaker 2: you know what you're going to get a bunch of
Speaker 2: lads who are the fucking king in their gym. Put
Speaker 2: bunch of these alpha males in and see how they
Speaker 2: get on. And it's going to get good television time,
Speaker 2: I mean. And then the end of the week isn't
Speaker 2: that they are going and do a challenge, but they
Speaker 2: got to eat a funny fucking thing from the forest. No,
Speaker 2: the challenge is there. You're gonna just straight up, straight
Speaker 2: up kick the ship out of each other. You're going
Speaker 2: to fight to stay in this house. Yeah, literally, like
Speaker 2: there's no handbags being thrown. It's right. The end of
Speaker 2: the group, the end of the thing is we're going
Speaker 2: to beat the fucking snot out of each other.
Speaker 4: And it's it was like America's Next Top Model, only
Speaker 4: not as violent.
Speaker 2: And they like what you'd have is kind of a
Speaker 2: bit of a has been or a legend of the
Speaker 2: game would be the captain of each team, yes you know,
Speaker 2: or be you know, to be the manager of each year.
Speaker 4: The like is reality TV one on one time, this
Speaker 4: is it and they do this for fucking bakery shows
Speaker 4: and they do yeah pottery, fucking pottery.
Speaker 2: You knew this boy was when gang Boss people became
Speaker 2: household names. I think it was.
Speaker 4: Probably sort of the name of the show in here.
Speaker 4: The Ultimate Fighter was what it was called, correct, Yeah.
Speaker 2: The Ultimate Fighter? It was it was finding the Ultimate
Speaker 2: Fighter and did find I don't know how many series
Speaker 2: Dan five or six years of it. Anyway, I would
Speaker 2: think it's still fucking cool. Hardly is it. I know
Speaker 2: Dana White went around the world with two mates, saying
Speaker 2: in the TV show called Dana Wife wants to want
Speaker 2: to Fight, and he would go watch different organizations, whether
Speaker 2: it was in Thailand or Poland or whatever, and they
Speaker 2: would just go, gee, okay, christ above these, let's go
Speaker 2: fight the Ultimate Fighter, my friend. The Ultimate Fighters still going?
Speaker 4: Is? It is currently in its thirty sixth season.
Speaker 2: Get the fuck out of here? Is it? Yeah? Like
Speaker 2: there is no reality TV show doing that. Yeah? Is
Speaker 2: still going?
Speaker 4: Is? It is now in its twenty first year, and
Speaker 4: it has various spin offs. Maybe maybe when I'm madding
Speaker 4: them up, yeah, that's including spinoffs and things.
Speaker 2: But no, it's still a thing.
Speaker 4: You get a prize six figure contract with the UFC,
Speaker 4: which is a big deal today, But back in two
Speaker 4: thousand and five when this thing came out first, was
Speaker 4: no kind of was no kind of big prize back then,
Speaker 4: but it soon would be come well.
Speaker 2: It launched lads, and it helped. Like there was two
Speaker 2: guys I think that they ended up getting the contract
Speaker 2: because they were both. There was only to be one,
Speaker 2: but it was Forrest Griffin and Stephen Bonner who both
Speaker 2: basically they were like, fucking can't set bridge and they
Speaker 2: both went down to the house. Now Stephen Honor, I
Speaker 2: won't say Lord of Marcona, but the man has some
Speaker 2: severe mental issues at the minute, like he's everything has
Speaker 2: slowed down. Could be as a complete something else, but
Speaker 2: it looks like you I'd say, it's quite a lot
Speaker 2: of shots. But they went on then and they ended
Speaker 2: up biting buying out Strikeforce, which is what a lot
Speaker 2: of these you know, we talked about the WW doing
Speaker 2: the same thing, just moden up by your competition, and
Speaker 2: Strike Force was a big fucking name. Now they could
Speaker 2: never get They would never and would never even try
Speaker 2: to get their hands on K one because that is
Speaker 2: the japanesest thing and you just don't step on those toes,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That's would you try and
Speaker 2: get Fellows over from there and Alistair overhim and Arlovski
Speaker 2: who by the way, but there's a guy called Lawski.
Speaker 2: I could be wrong. He might be fucking Ukraine. I
Speaker 2: could be wrong. But the guy has come back from
Speaker 2: cancer twice and is still fighting in his fort Fox
Speaker 2: to him.
Speaker 4: But there's actually there's a there's a bunch of names
Speaker 4: I want to say, come out of come out of
Speaker 4: this whole process. And indeed some some of the veterans
Speaker 4: that come out of here that household names is probably
Speaker 4: a bit strong for it, you know, but households that
Speaker 4: have men of very agent and tom they would be
Speaker 4: household names, I guess because these are the guys that
Speaker 4: kind of went broke through into some degree of success
Speaker 4: coming out of the fighting world here into into movies
Speaker 4: and things like this. You would all of a sudden
Speaker 4: start to see Randy Randy cture show up in a
Speaker 4: in a in a D list action movie, or what
Speaker 4: do you call the French guy George Sampierre, George san Pierre.
Speaker 2: But I mean he's good looking, he's he's cool at ship,
Speaker 2: you know, and there's a little cacheer to have like oh,
Speaker 2: we've got you know, and these and a lot of things.
Speaker 2: These are roles that used to go to wrestlers.
Speaker 4: You know what I mean, Like, we need we need
Speaker 4: somebody in a bear costume to come in and terrify people. Well,
Speaker 4: you know, we used to go get the Big Show
Speaker 4: to do it, but no, fuck, We'll get Randy Ctuur
Speaker 4: to do it.
Speaker 2: Or so Rampage Jackson went on to Jackson was going
Speaker 2: to play the Who's Still by the Way one? And
Speaker 2: if you just watch a clip, if you know interest
Speaker 2: in UFC, just just type in Rampage Shacks and funny bits.
Speaker 2: He's one of the funniest people you will ever fucking
Speaker 2: see being interviewed. He just doesn't give a shit. He
Speaker 2: played b Bacas in what seemed to be a flop,
Speaker 2: But I really enjoyed the A team. Yeah. I didn't
Speaker 2: mind it myself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so so yeah, So these guys are starting to
Speaker 4: age out of their UFC careers and find employment elsewhere.
Speaker 2: They're starting to get into the into the cycle. So
Speaker 2: this is this is the thing that's gathering steam. Tom
Speaker 2: two thousand and five, two thousand and six. We're cooking.
Speaker 2: We're cooking here, aren't we. So they, like I said,
Speaker 2: they bought out, they bought out Strikeforce. I think they
Speaker 2: bought out bodog As well, which is one that I
Speaker 2: always liked watching and it was it was really interesting
Speaker 2: to watch it. And I remember your sport used to
Speaker 2: show I don't know again it might have been bellot
Speaker 2: Or in the UK, bellat Or was well, Bellotors all
Speaker 2: over Europe. Again, it's I think it's after I've been
Speaker 2: to a couple of Belletors in in the three arena.
Speaker 2: Couldn't tell you if it's still going. Octagon seems to
Speaker 2: be the big one now that we win respect bellat
Speaker 2: Or is the w c W exactly, Yeah, yeah, Now
Speaker 2: there's other ones.
Speaker 4: That we have to fucking Bellotor fans come at me
Speaker 4: in the comments here.
Speaker 2: Do you know what there would be do like you go, yeah, well,
Speaker 2: you know, they don't want to support anything American. But
Speaker 2: a lot of my transitioned over now like Octagon with
Speaker 2: it's gone huge. But we talked about t Praierman, Will
Speaker 2: Floory is and he wants none of that hype, you know,
Speaker 2: that fucking you know, strutting around the place. He just
Speaker 2: wants to go in and snached like. But it seems
Speaker 2: to be very honorable. A lot of these guys seem
Speaker 2: to be very honorable. So you know this is it.
Speaker 2: But yeah, they they started mopping up, and I mean
Speaker 2: they just started picking up. They they had the they
Speaker 2: started nailing it, and we're at the forefront of production.
Speaker 3: JIR.
Speaker 2: Production was fucking incredible, and they were turning out a show.
Speaker 2: Once upon a time it was a show every six months,
Speaker 2: and then it was a show every three months, and
Speaker 2: now they're them out every fortnight, like we only talked
Speaker 2: about the you know, so this was and their production
Speaker 2: values were going through were amazing, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: Like you'll notice Tom, you notice Tom.
Speaker 4: Around this time, this whole notion of senators saying you're
Speaker 4: not having human cockfighting in.
Speaker 2: My state started to get less and less of an issue.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no bother at all. And again, oh.
Speaker 4: You're that big, you're making that much money.
Speaker 2: And this is it. This is how the this is
Speaker 2: how the tide turns when you have Obviously, Dana White
Speaker 2: had the boxing promotion notion behind him, and it was
Speaker 2: worth a punt for the two for techs, right, but
Speaker 2: involved fairness, two good businessmen as well, and they made
Speaker 2: their business to jump on the latest hot thing and
Speaker 2: promote them through the roof, like and it's you'll see it.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's guys like if you said, well, okay,
Speaker 2: the World Cup, which is on right now. In soccer,
Speaker 2: you only get to the final to play if you've
Speaker 2: beaten everybody else, and that's just the way it is. Well,
Speaker 2: that's not how the UFC runs. Yeah, sure there's rankings
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, but like if you're a fucking
Speaker 2: name jer your headline and you'll get a title fight
Speaker 2: when when you want, you know, the kind of way
Speaker 2: like if John Jones, who people would argue is the
Speaker 2: greatest that has ever done it, the most naturally gifted
Speaker 2: has ever done it, if he came back next week,
Speaker 2: they go, who do you want to fight? What belt
Speaker 2: you want them? That's literally the way it is, and
Speaker 2: that's it's kind of indictative, indigative of the capitalist money
Speaker 2: machine that America is. Like it's like, all it's forgiven.
Speaker 2: Nobody don't care, We don't care. They were about that
Speaker 2: in a little second. By by twenty sixteen they said
Speaker 2: they like, they sold the UFC for four billion, right
Speaker 2: a billion. They sold it for four billion. Now, I
Speaker 2: I think it was sold. I'm going to say it
Speaker 2: was probably sold to the guitar or somebody. You know
Speaker 2: what I mean sold to somebody who had four billion, right, yeah,
Speaker 2: sitting around, sitting around, But they kept on. Now I
Speaker 2: say sold, but there were still shares being held by
Speaker 2: the Fertitis and Dana White, I think Dana White did
Speaker 2: the talk was at the time I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're out of area because you just got handled a
Speaker 2: billion dollars. He was like, I'm going over what the
Speaker 2: fuck he is? His own words were what else would
Speaker 2: I be doing? Which I can kind of appreciately like, yeah, right,
Speaker 2: not of actually what would you be at? Because I
Speaker 2: hate golf? I hate everything else except this, So can
Speaker 2: I stay working? Please? Right on? But yeah, no bother
Speaker 2: because they drove on and made it up until and
Speaker 2: I'd say we might have made mentioned this back in
Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, but they merged with the with WWE
Speaker 2: under TKO Group Holdings and it's all in the one
Speaker 2: now and they all I won't say it legitimized WW
Speaker 2: because it's on the go a lot longer. What it
Speaker 2: did was it made it more of a men's program.
Speaker 2: I've noticed, like you're and it might have taken a
Speaker 2: bit of a crack out of it in a lot
Speaker 2: of ways, I think, But it looks a bit more
Speaker 2: serious and everybody's wearing the suit and tie now kind
Speaker 2: of a thing, you know, which for me isn't wrestling.
Speaker 2: Wrestling should have, you know, you should have a touch
Speaker 2: of the madness too. Yeah, it should have exactly like
Speaker 2: you should have proper characters.
Speaker 4: You know, wants the marriage to create TKO. I think
Speaker 4: the UFC was kind of like, okay, well, like we're
Speaker 4: all living in the same house together here, so UFC,
Speaker 4: you can't be doing any wild or crazy shit because
Speaker 4: that's that's the wrestling. Let them do the wild, crazy
Speaker 4: shit over there, and you can't be doing it for
Speaker 4: real and making their shit look even phonier than it is.
Speaker 2: So there's a separation of it.
Speaker 4: But throughout that time, Tom, like in the last ten
Speaker 4: to fifteen years, that's when the UFC really became as
Speaker 4: you would say, a genuine household name. You could say
Speaker 4: UFC and most people would have a fair idea of it.
Speaker 2: But you say that, just have to cut you off there.
Speaker 2: You say that. When I was typing in earlier just
Speaker 2: to get one or two of the dates, my mac
Speaker 2: here Kiptain wasn't having it, and every time I looked
Speaker 2: up it would change it to the u f F
Speaker 2: fox uff Ulster freedom Fighters.
Speaker 5: Oh Jesus Christ, that guy definitely wasn't in, didn't fight back,
Speaker 5: definitely banned from a few states, a free state being
Speaker 5: one of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah, could what is all this Belfast chat?
Speaker 4: I'm like, this should be Vegas, but the the like
Speaker 4: it really did catch up with every element of life.
Speaker 4: I mean, Tom, you can send your kids to mixed
Speaker 4: martial arts camps for the summer.
Speaker 2: There's there's one in Clammel, There's a there's an MMA
Speaker 2: jim in Campbell.
Speaker 4: What what what would have used to be like taekwondo
Speaker 4: or kickboxing or whatever it is has made way for MMA,
Speaker 4: and it's amazing to see, like, you know, a whole
Speaker 4: thing and kids, any kids they want to learn a
Speaker 4: little bit of self defense. I'm all for any kids
Speaker 4: that want to learn better ways to fucking bully people.
Speaker 2: We don't want that at all.
Speaker 4: But any JIM dojo master, I don't know what the
Speaker 4: fuck you call. These guys that run these MMA centers
Speaker 4: seem to be you know, fair sound heads.
Speaker 2: That I from from past experience. What I find is
Speaker 2: if you're ever going to get a bully, that referenced
Speaker 2: that place and went, well, I learned all I know
Speaker 2: from You're like, yeah, Jim, you only went there for one,
Speaker 2: you know, three sessions. Anybody who sticks it out for
Speaker 2: the long haul you learn some valuable life lessons. Opening
Speaker 2: your mouth is push ups on your knuckles, acting the count.
Speaker 2: That's a pedaling. You know you don't want to do it.
Speaker 2: The instructor tells you that's a pedaling. Everything has consequences.
Speaker 2: And you say that I was in, I've been in.
Speaker 2: I've been in the interview guy in straight last gym
Speaker 2: before and I got shown around and there's a bunch
Speaker 2: of kids in there, and it was glorious. They were
Speaker 2: the most well behaved. You'll love to see it, you love.
Speaker 2: They were just and a lot of these kids they
Speaker 2: hadn't gotten the opportunity to climb trees, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. They hadn't gotten the opportunity to fall. You know,
Speaker 2: a lot of them hadn't gotten the opportunity to poke
Speaker 2: around with a you know, an older cousin or something.
Speaker 2: So this was a great place for them to learn
Speaker 2: just tactile physical skills. If they never went on to compete,
Speaker 2: at least they got to learn how to roll around,
Speaker 2: do you know what I mean? You know, jump intwists
Speaker 2: and understand their own body, much like when we talked
Speaker 2: about learning how to drive a car, drive an old
Speaker 2: tractor first, so you know what the fucking what's happening
Speaker 2: under you? And that was that's what the instructor was describing,
Speaker 2: because most of these kids will never compete and they
Speaker 2: don't want to, and that's fine, but at least they're
Speaker 2: in here for the crack having an owl roll, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. And I took a lot from him.
Speaker 2: I was like, well that's do you know it legitimizes
Speaker 2: it for me in seeing it in the real world,
Speaker 2: and went all right, so caught away all that other
Speaker 2: fucking fireworks and shit, now sure they'll be still the
Speaker 2: kid with the mohawk cut in who wants you know,
Speaker 2: who wants to bring it shrink? I want to kill.
Speaker 2: But at the same time too, what you could find is,
Speaker 2: you know, especially things like jiu jitsu, it's actually they're
Speaker 2: great sports from what I can tell. For it doesn't
Speaker 2: matter your size at all, it's if how depends how
Speaker 2: dedicated you are, because a tiny fella with a few
Speaker 2: fucking swift movies could not up a fucking body builder
Speaker 2: could not yet you know what I mean. So it's like, ah, right,
Speaker 2: this gives power to the dedicated students, not just some
Speaker 2: fucking ox just going to clean house with all these
Speaker 2: less Yeah.
Speaker 4: Do you know no ball machine in the gym body exactly, exactly,
Speaker 4: no ball machines. So that is the history of the UFC, Tom,
Speaker 4: But it will be remiss of us as Irish people
Speaker 4: to mention the entire history of the sport and not mention.
Speaker 2: Our contribution to it. Shall we say we glossed over it? There?
Speaker 4: We're round about twenty thirteen, are there thereabout the UFC.
Speaker 4: So the debut of the man that will become known
Speaker 4: as the notorious Connor McGregor a count. It must be
Speaker 4: just gonna put that out there on front street.
Speaker 2: Fuck him.
Speaker 4: And I saw him limp out of the cage at
Speaker 4: the weekend and I'm not I'm not a sleeve in
Speaker 4: but deep in my heart all.
Speaker 2: I could say was, hah yeah, call it came Jesus
Speaker 2: Christ has changed to the UFFA.
Speaker 4: You know, here's the thing with McGregor, and we, you know,
Speaker 4: in order to see how far he has fallen, Tom,
Speaker 4: we have to foresay that when he came out he
Speaker 4: was a fucking rocket ship.
Speaker 2: He there is no sport worldwide that has ever had
Speaker 2: any but you can say, okay, there's basketball at Jordan,
Speaker 2: there's and and honestly I hate you know not look
Speaker 2: call it. Let's leave all for the description of this,
Speaker 2: leave personalities and personal behavior out of it. Michael Jordan
Speaker 2: is probably the only one you can compare to what
Speaker 2: he did worldwide in the sense of the fucking rocket
Speaker 2: ship that he was. He was Michael fucking Jackson for
Speaker 2: a couple of years, like what the fuck? Like it
Speaker 2: didn't make natural sense, especially to Irish people who are
Speaker 2: sure you know yourself, like Katie Taylor. We we do
Speaker 2: our best and sure we will go back.
Speaker 4: And how many times have we seen like the end
Speaker 4: of the Sunday game and it's like, congratulations he won
Speaker 4: the other Ireland.
Speaker 2: How does the field have beat them?
Speaker 4: Oh? Well, now you know the windows with us, So
Speaker 4: it was not the ball bounced right for us. But
Speaker 4: McGregor was first and foremost an incredible fighter and secondly
Speaker 4: an incredible fucking mouthpiece.
Speaker 2: You should not could not shut this bass phenomenal like.
Speaker 4: Where and put those two together and you've got a
Speaker 4: you've got money.
Speaker 2: And I think had he been in anything else, it
Speaker 2: wouldn't have worked. The stars had aligne aligned, like the
Speaker 2: Sphinx was looking up the whole of the fucking Eiffel Tower.
Speaker 2: The Eiffel Tower was looking across at fucking Gobeckley Tepe
Speaker 2: Cobeckley Teppe was like every there was a vortex landed
Speaker 2: right on his head because it was a time when
Speaker 2: people were accepting of that kind of shouting and roar,
Speaker 2: and the marketeers that are the UFC owners with what
Speaker 2: the fun Dana White had a Paunchan for Irish because
Speaker 2: he's of Irish descent from Boston, and he wanted to
Speaker 2: promote him, but also for Teitos and give him a
Speaker 2: fucking Rolex this minute. Give him a Rolex and put
Speaker 2: a fucking nice car. He's on the doll, get him
Speaker 2: off the fucking door this minute, putting him in a
Speaker 2: nice suit, and tell him keep saying all that mad
Speaker 2: shit he's saying, because we're looking at the fucking the
Speaker 2: statistics here. Every time that fell of scratches his fucking
Speaker 2: leftne excuse me, there's money being made. Yeah, so whatever,
Speaker 2: do you know? What I mean, had he been he
Speaker 2: had the secrets us, he had the secret sauce. But
Speaker 2: he was also so lucky that there were people around
Speaker 2: him that went, we're going to make money off that lad, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're not doing this shit because we like you, buddy.
Speaker 4: You know you got we look at you and fucking
Speaker 4: dollar stayn start spinning in our eyes and you know
Speaker 4: we're not going to McGregor doesn't deserve all that much
Speaker 4: of Tom and Jerry's time here. But what I have
Speaker 4: to say Tom, when he first came out, whether you
Speaker 4: like mix Marshal arts or not, you had to acknowledge
Speaker 4: that this was a world class talent, a world class athlete.
Speaker 2: It's been said by people that would know far more
Speaker 2: about martial arts and knows you're looking at Saint Pierre
Speaker 2: when he and these guys don't talk up at the
Speaker 2: fighters much because they go in their head they go,
Speaker 2: I'm the greatest that ever lived. But even he would
Speaker 2: have been, and he described him as a phenomenon, like
Speaker 2: a phenomenon. He was doing things with his body. His
Speaker 2: timing was it was the timing of a fucking razor,
Speaker 2: like he's out of control, and that's that's I think
Speaker 2: without completely, you know, saying bye bite to everybody. That's
Speaker 2: my gripe with fucking and it happens too often in
Speaker 2: combat sports. That happened to Mike Tyson. It happened to
Speaker 2: you know, so many of the other ones, like you,
Speaker 2: go through a fucking a whole listom where they let
Speaker 2: their fucking talent just fucking fall down into the toilet
Speaker 2: because they ran away with their own fucking ego. But
Speaker 2: it was his ego. You could argue it was his
Speaker 2: ego that sold him. But if if he couldn't, if
Speaker 2: he could, like you have somebody right now, right, there's
Speaker 2: a guy who's great to listen to a Liverpool. It's
Speaker 2: a Scouser lad called Paddy Pimla. Yes, but when they
Speaker 2: came to Paddy, I remember, I'll never forget it. A
Speaker 2: couple a couple of years ago they went to Paddy.
Speaker 2: He very honest in his interviews and now is conducting
Speaker 2: himself pride. He used to put on too much weight
Speaker 2: between fights, but he's now and again a GUYI they
Speaker 2: should have had the title fight two years ago, but
Speaker 2: because he wasn't selling all the tickets, Deck McGregor would
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, we'll let you tip away. He's fucking
Speaker 2: choking and knocking out everybody, but he's so like, like
Speaker 2: no party, and I like him. I think he's a
Speaker 2: good guy. And he came out with a thing. They said,
Speaker 2: what would you do with your econoor McGregor money? And
Speaker 2: he said something fucking phenomenal. He went, I put it
Speaker 2: this way, another fucking kid would never need a food
Speaker 2: bank in Liverpool ever again. Yeah, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: all right, there we go.
Speaker 4: That's and I gotta tell you we're not gonna linger
Speaker 4: on it too much longer, but I'm going to tell
Speaker 4: you r I ran about twenty thirteen when Connor McGregor
Speaker 4: started to make waves twenty fourteen, all of a sudden
Speaker 4: people knew who he was. You might remember, Tom that
Speaker 4: we were coming out of the fucking financial crash in
Speaker 4: two thousand and eight, two thousand and nine, try could
Speaker 4: coming in dividing the country up, you know, mass unemployment, emigration,
Speaker 4: this country, this nation was on its fucking hole, and
Speaker 4: what we could have really done right there and then
Speaker 4: was a world class athlete that would go out and
Speaker 4: we would be proud to see him walk around with
Speaker 4: his flag around our shoulders and we would cheer for
Speaker 4: him and we would be delighted.
Speaker 2: When he won. And you know what we got, Tom,
Speaker 2: We got another drunk paddy. Yeah unfortunately, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: Another fucking drunk paddy. And we did not need one
Speaker 4: more of them.
Speaker 2: Yeah like that, I suppose with the vortex that aligned
Speaker 2: right at the time, he was our Italian ninety too,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like had you know, I
Speaker 2: mean it kills me that, you know, so many exaccolades have.
Speaker 2: I used to do a bit about this, kind of
Speaker 2: ripping him a small but but it didn't. It never
Speaker 2: really worked in Dublin. I don't know why. Never worked
Speaker 2: on the North Side. I don't know why. But it
Speaker 2: used to be about, you know how our greatest combat
Speaker 2: sportsperson is Katie Taylor. Yes, that's it, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean? It was it was and that was the
Speaker 2: line that used to kill the joke. But I see
Speaker 2: that kept telling that I didn't even fuck because then
Speaker 2: you it worked and it was funny, but it was
Speaker 2: just the comparative difference. But Katie Taylor never got because
Speaker 2: the problem with is, as you said, we needed a
Speaker 2: new Italian ninety. We like we needed a New Jackie's
Speaker 2: Army and right at the time, just it louds you know,
Speaker 2: if you will lose me going through it, Yeah, fair play,
Speaker 2: fair play to that. And then he swings the trolley
Speaker 2: through a bus window and we're like, okay, you gotta
Speaker 2: be carried away with that one. But you know, you
Speaker 2: know that's the character. You know, that's how he makes
Speaker 2: his money.
Speaker 4: And then he starts lamping their lads and pubs like yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, and then everything you hear every time he
Speaker 4: shows up on the news is like, oh fucking hell,
Speaker 4: Jesus Christy. Yeah, but by right, I mean, as you
Speaker 4: mentioned Katie Taylor. If you walk through the airport, there's
Speaker 4: a picture of Katie Taylor hanging out the window of
Speaker 4: a plane. It's not in the air or anything like that,
Speaker 4: but she's got a gold medal. She's flying home and
Speaker 4: and this has been like a picture that's up in
Speaker 4: Dublin Airport to this day.
Speaker 2: There's a sliding doors moment.
Speaker 4: Where Connor McGregor wasn't a total cunt and the Lately
Speaker 4: Toys Show is on and Patty Keithy's there like so
Speaker 4: I hear you like mma, Well, you can never guess
Speaker 4: who's here And he turns around there's McGregor with fucking
Speaker 4: hugs and fucking lollipops and in their toys and Temple Street.
Speaker 2: It wasn't there a moment where they're talking about putting
Speaker 2: him on a euro coin or something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but at least one of the few times they go
Speaker 2: with the government. Oh absolutely not.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no no, you're not going to
Speaker 4: get Connor McGregor on the Tight Show. You're not gonna
Speaker 4: let him on the fucking premises.
Speaker 2: Why it's been filmed, They now not to glass over it.
Speaker 2: There is a chap Ian shadow, Gary Dublin man as well.
Speaker 2: He's taken. He's double barreled his name with his Brazilian
Speaker 2: wife a choice, lives in Brazil. And excuse me that
Speaker 2: teas Gonne downside was and but he himself, he talks,
Speaker 2: He talks a great game, but a highly intelligent man.
Speaker 2: I'd say he got more than one or two clips
Speaker 2: in the ear as a child when he was acting
Speaker 2: the Count. Just one or two more, do you know
Speaker 2: what I mean? He knows, he knows his talent, he
Speaker 2: knows his ability. He's a beautiful karate operator like you
Speaker 2: see him like really long range of guy, and he
Speaker 2: put it's not just expleters for the sake of spleeters
Speaker 2: that McGregor does. Now, McGregor was smart enough in his
Speaker 2: own right to be he was humored. I found him
Speaker 2: very funny at the beginning.
Speaker 4: I gotta tell you, I always loved that clip where
Speaker 4: somebody gets mouty with him on the podium and it's like,
Speaker 4: you know, yeah, you know, I should get a fighter,
Speaker 4: had a fight, and McGregor's replay, I'm sorry, it was
Speaker 4: just perfect.
Speaker 2: Oh it's perfect. The fuck is that? The fuck is
Speaker 2: that guy? And the poor fuckers hadn't really turned And
Speaker 2: in fairness, McGregor's been interviewed, I was secret, says not
Speaker 2: because I know who todds to Germany whatever his name is. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know. At the same time, that's that's just that's
Speaker 2: how you deal with that. And your man had no
Speaker 2: reply to whatsoever.
Speaker 4: He had clearly never met a fucking mouth piece from
Speaker 4: Dublin before you and I know quite a few.
Speaker 2: Here's the thing, here's the thing. McGregor didn't invent invent
Speaker 2: the game. He landed on day one and this is
Speaker 2: the time, this is a why I talk about him
Speaker 2: as if he was a big turning point, like things
Speaker 2: changed when you saw the likes of John Jones, a
Speaker 2: turning point on the sport where there are certain players
Speaker 2: that turn up, like Christnando Ronaldo Messi. They turn up
Speaker 2: and they change the sport. Where you go John alone
Speaker 2: back in the day, change the fucking sport, You're like, oh, right,
Speaker 2: so we can go this way now. He did that
Speaker 2: in a very strange way. Prior to this, I used
Speaker 2: to watch the UFC and there was a great guy,
Speaker 2: chaill Son, and he's still very funny, right, He's just
Speaker 2: he's w w as as anything, right, he was, you know,
Speaker 2: he was like Rick Flair of you know, he had
Speaker 2: great chat on the mic, like you know, but he
Speaker 2: they'd still all after the fights and prior to the
Speaker 2: fights they do, they would all wear tracksuits because they
Speaker 2: were just athletes. And McGregor changed that completely. And all
Speaker 2: he did was just copy what Chris new Bank had
Speaker 2: done before him, Ali had done before and he and
Speaker 2: he he had to admit it. He went, I didn't
Speaker 2: invent this, he goes. Christian Bank is one of the
Speaker 2: most impecantly dressed boxers that was ever out there, and
Speaker 2: he was a character. Now I think the man has
Speaker 2: gone a bit fucking mad. He's gotten into the character
Speaker 2: too deep. He's in, he's gone full, he's gone. But
Speaker 2: everybody all of a sudden started up with the You
Speaker 2: could see the quality of suits weren't quite there, and
Speaker 2: bit by bit they were wearing like their prompt suit
Speaker 2: and stuff. Before you know it, then they were all
Speaker 2: wearing sharp suits that were being sponsored by people like
Speaker 2: you know, crocodile skin, cowboy hats and stuff. But again
Speaker 2: for me, it was a big turning point, and he'd
Speaker 2: still sell tickets. He blew his fucking knee out of
Speaker 2: the weekend because he jumped around thinking he was twenty sixteen.
Speaker 2: Kind of mc gregor and Carmer kicked him right up
Speaker 2: into the bollocks for it. And that's probably the end
Speaker 2: of his career. In reality, it looks like Paddy Pimola
Speaker 2: is going to be the face of the organization after this.
Speaker 2: But such a killer to see a fellow with such
Speaker 2: talent and that was handed at all.
Speaker 4: We should we should have been sitting up on Saturday
Speaker 4: night to welcome his comeback and yeah and revel in
Speaker 4: his triumph, rather than spend Sunday morning, laughing our holes
Speaker 4: off at memes. Well, Tom, the UFC all eight signs
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: There you go.
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