1 00:00:11,919 --> 00:00:15,919 Speaker 1: What is going on? Glippers fans? Welcome to season four, 2 00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:21,039 Episodes six of Clips and Dip. I am Chuck Mockler, 3 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,359 joined by Adam Oslin and William Updyke. It's our first 4 00:00:25,399 --> 00:00:27,719 full pot in a bit. We've done some Happy Hour live. 5 00:00:28,679 --> 00:00:32,920 Put the shirt on. Adam's got a new logo hat on. 6 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:36,520 I am repping Tony's on the pier in Rodondo Beach, 7 00:00:36,600 --> 00:00:40,840 great place, Clippers, Clipper's favorite. We are going to talk 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,920 about training camp today. We're going to talk about Bradley 9 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:46,240 Beal's defense. We're going to talk about John Collins at 10 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:49,159 the five. We have dips, and we're not going to 11 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:51,920 talk about anything else related to the Clippers for the 12 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:55,759 most part, which is great. We've moved past that couple 13 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:57,679 of weeks and now we wait. 14 00:00:58,240 --> 00:01:01,799 Speaker 2: Hold on, guys, I got this tweet here, Mark, I. 15 00:01:01,799 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: Will throw my computer against the wall. Media Day happened. 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:13,560 There's eight days till preseason basketball. How are we feeling? 17 00:01:13,599 --> 00:01:17,359 It's training camp? How are we doing? William Updyke, Howry, 18 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:19,319 you were just in New York spreading the word of 19 00:01:19,359 --> 00:01:21,040 the Clippers. How are you? 20 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:26,159 Speaker 3: I'm great, man, Yeah, I'm excited to get back to basketball. 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:32,040 I I was very tentative about media day. I kind 22 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,519 of waited to engage until the end of the coverage 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:36,400 just because, you know, we kind of knew what was 24 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:39,719 going to be at the start. But lately, you know, 25 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:42,319 we're getting some good stuff from training camp, and it's 26 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:45,519 nice to see the fellows, even in their practice jerseys, 27 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:48,079 getting me a lot more excited for this season. So 28 00:01:48,239 --> 00:01:52,280 it's it's been good. It was a man this off 29 00:01:52,319 --> 00:01:55,599 season felt. Is this the longest off season that there's 30 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:58,640 ever been? I just can't remember one that's felt this 31 00:01:58,840 --> 00:01:59,640 long before. 32 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's been a nightmare for the most part. Well, 33 00:02:02,959 --> 00:02:04,439 it was really good and then there was like a 34 00:02:04,519 --> 00:02:07,040 couple weeks of it being a nightmare. Now we're back. 35 00:02:07,159 --> 00:02:09,639 Are you talking about the powder blue practice jerseys because 36 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,280 those are yeah, sick. 37 00:02:11,840 --> 00:02:14,240 Speaker 3: But doesn't it feel like it's been Hasn't it been 38 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:18,240 one calendar year since the Denver series? Is that my wrong? 39 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:23,400 Speaker 1: There? Yeah, I'm I'm forty now I've aged Adam. How 40 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:24,199 are you doing today? 41 00:02:25,319 --> 00:02:27,960 Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm also a big fan of those uniforms, 42 00:02:28,439 --> 00:02:32,800 the baby blue with the white clippers cursive ooh fire. 43 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,280 That may be a city edition for next season. We'll see. 44 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,759 Uh yeah, a lot of content coming out. Feels like 45 00:02:40,479 --> 00:02:43,360 we're slowly ramping up and getting back to basketball and 46 00:02:44,080 --> 00:02:47,439 first game coming up next Thursday in San Diego season. 47 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:51,599 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's gonna be a good time. Eight days until that, 48 00:02:52,240 --> 00:02:56,599 we've had two days of training camp. Some surprises, I 49 00:02:56,639 --> 00:03:01,360 guess coach Buds coach TIBs in the house this week. 50 00:03:01,879 --> 00:03:07,319 Just some the defensive chats between those two in Van Gundy, 51 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,879 I'm sure are amazing. Adam, do you think they gave 52 00:03:11,039 --> 00:03:15,000 TIBs the get the fuck back shirts? 53 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: Probably? I mean he might have said that back in 54 00:03:19,719 --> 00:03:22,319 the day with Boston as the associate head coach there 55 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,639 under Doc Rivers, so he may have started some of that, 56 00:03:25,759 --> 00:03:28,919 But I guess Jeff Van Gundy that was his brain. Hatch. 57 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 3: You should bring up the shirt in case anybody missed it. 58 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, did people miss this? 59 00:03:35,840 --> 00:03:37,479 Speaker 2: Do we have who missed it? 60 00:03:37,599 --> 00:03:38,560 Speaker 3: Do we have the ability? 61 00:03:39,599 --> 00:03:43,479 Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, I do have the ability. Just me. 62 00:03:44,479 --> 00:03:47,080 I think I'm the only one who has screenshare permissions. 63 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:49,800 If you miss this somehow, if you are watching a 64 00:03:49,879 --> 00:03:53,039 Clippers podcast in the off season and you miss this, 65 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,439 why does it take our video off of this now. God, 66 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:01,039 the new restream sucks. Sorry. This is the shirt the 67 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:05,000 coaches were wearing day one. I think my favorite part 68 00:04:05,039 --> 00:04:08,240 of it is the uh, just the reference to Denver, 69 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:11,879 like everything else is pretty broad, and then it's just like, 70 00:04:12,719 --> 00:04:17,000 remember this, Remember the worst memory that you had during 71 00:04:17,000 --> 00:04:19,160 the season. This is what happened. 72 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:23,439 Speaker 2: I like that. I like that they're angry about it. 73 00:04:23,480 --> 00:04:25,879 I like that they also feel like that was a 74 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,439 series that got away from them and it shouldn't have happened. 75 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 3: And the first time we've talked about transition play like 76 00:04:33,079 --> 00:04:35,639 shooting this team in the foot, Like, I'm glad that 77 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,560 it's on the forefront of everyone's mind. Let's see what 78 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:40,720 they can do about it. 79 00:04:40,720 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: It feels like last year, you know, they talked a 80 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:45,160 lot of the talk in the training camp about like 81 00:04:45,199 --> 00:04:46,560 we need to show up, we need to play with 82 00:04:46,600 --> 00:04:49,040 defensive intensity, and then we saw it happen all year. 83 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:54,279 This feels like such a great carryover from last year's 84 00:04:54,319 --> 00:04:56,879 training camp rehetoric and everything, because we now know that, like, oh, 85 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:59,639 it's a little more real now, we fans, Maybe if 86 00:04:59,639 --> 00:05:02,240 you weren't bought in after seeing last year, it's like 87 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,160 they proved it to us. They didn't have very many 88 00:05:04,199 --> 00:05:06,720 games where they didn't show up or whatever we want 89 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:11,199 to call that last year. So pretty hyped on the 90 00:05:11,240 --> 00:05:14,319 overall attitude in this training camp so far. 91 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:20,319 Speaker 2: Yeah. I like the continuity between training camps, and obviously 92 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:22,800 they brought in a lot of new guys. I got 93 00:05:22,800 --> 00:05:25,439 to get up to speed and one older guy that 94 00:05:26,399 --> 00:05:30,519 is now. Uh. I don't want to say he's new, 95 00:05:30,759 --> 00:05:33,319 but what was old is new again, just like everything 96 00:05:33,319 --> 00:05:35,240 else and nostalgia driven life. 97 00:05:36,199 --> 00:05:39,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to talk about nostalgia more as a 98 00:05:39,319 --> 00:05:42,160 whole on the on the Patreon that doesn't exist, but 99 00:05:42,199 --> 00:05:45,480 we talked about some cool stuff on there. Speaking of 100 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:50,319 new guys, ty Lu confirmed that Bradley Beal will be starting, 101 00:05:50,519 --> 00:05:56,399 which not a big shocker there. Couldn't remember if Collins 102 00:05:56,519 --> 00:05:58,920 was the other guy in the starting lineup. So if 103 00:05:58,959 --> 00:06:01,800 you didn't think we were back, we are very back. 104 00:06:02,519 --> 00:06:06,000 Does this seem like a defensive issue that Tyler is 105 00:06:06,079 --> 00:06:08,720 not like, not like that it's a bad issue, you 106 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,600 know what I mean? But it feels like it's between 107 00:06:11,759 --> 00:06:15,040 him and Derek Jones and the defense is going to 108 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,439 tell a lot of who's going to be in that spot. 109 00:06:20,319 --> 00:06:24,720 Speaker 2: Uh. If it is an open competition. I think that's interesting. 110 00:06:25,759 --> 00:06:29,279 My theory was it would be John Collins's job to 111 00:06:29,360 --> 00:06:34,120 lose coming into this year, but maybe because and coach 112 00:06:34,160 --> 00:06:36,639 who talked about this today, and I was happy to 113 00:06:36,639 --> 00:06:39,560 hear it because I've been one of the people. It's like, eh, 114 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:42,759 I don't know if I love having two new guys 115 00:06:42,759 --> 00:06:45,920 in the starting lineup that aren't exactly known for their defense, 116 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:49,040 and you could lose that defensive identity pretty quickly. But 117 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:52,839 coach lou kind of reiterated today that how important Chris 118 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:57,839 Done and DJ were last season, and they obviously don't 119 00:06:57,839 --> 00:06:59,959 want to lose that identity. So what does that mean? 120 00:07:00,439 --> 00:07:04,720 Are they both jockeying for position to try to get 121 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:09,079 the fifth spot? Is John Collins in the lead? Does 122 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,600 he have to earn it? Does he get the first run? 123 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,439 Or is it gonna be a ten game sample size? 124 00:07:14,120 --> 00:07:16,319 I don't know. I kind of wish somebody asked him 125 00:07:16,360 --> 00:07:18,120 if is there an open competition going on? 126 00:07:19,240 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: I mean, well, I did, like last question about defense 127 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:25,360 today he got that that great answer from Tyler Will, 128 00:07:25,399 --> 00:07:27,800 where are you do you think it's an open competition 129 00:07:28,199 --> 00:07:30,079 and do you think it's Collins to lose? I'm kind 130 00:07:30,079 --> 00:07:30,959 of leaning that way. 131 00:07:31,759 --> 00:07:34,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would agree with Adam that it definitely feels 132 00:07:34,079 --> 00:07:39,360 like it's Collins's spot to lose as far as like 133 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:43,959 set position goes. I mean, there's three set ones for 134 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,319 the starters, maybe four now, because I do think that 135 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:52,120 unless things go terribly wrong, Bradley beal like came to 136 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:54,879 the Clippers under the consideration that he was going to 137 00:07:54,959 --> 00:07:56,480 be in the starting lineup, that he was going to 138 00:07:56,519 --> 00:08:00,680 be starting in that backward So that puts maybe one 139 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:03,720 job up. It could be as slim as one job 140 00:08:03,839 --> 00:08:08,879 available in the starting rotation, and I would assume, I 141 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:11,759 would still assume that they're gonna give Collins the first look. 142 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:17,680 And I think that makes the most sense, given we've 143 00:08:17,720 --> 00:08:21,120 already seen DJJ be like pretty malleable in terms of 144 00:08:21,120 --> 00:08:23,040 where he can slot into the lineup. Like, I think 145 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:28,800 it makes sense. I think Collins, you know, I don't 146 00:08:28,800 --> 00:08:30,560 want to say there's an ego because I don't know 147 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:32,480 that I haven't been around him in the locker room. 148 00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,279 I don't know enough personally, but I do think that 149 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:39,879 it is like a nod of good faith to give 150 00:08:39,960 --> 00:08:42,080 sort of the starting lineup to a like a higher 151 00:08:42,279 --> 00:08:45,960 profile player, perhaps not that it has to stay that way. 152 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:48,440 So I do think there could be good Like I 153 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:51,360 do think that there could be a competition, and obviously, 154 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:55,360 like outside of three to now potentially four starting spots, 155 00:08:55,399 --> 00:09:00,000 I mean anybody's job, you know, like that one person 156 00:09:00,320 --> 00:09:03,879 job could theoretically be upended by any time at a 157 00:09:03,879 --> 00:09:09,039 better fit. But I do expect to see Collins opening night, 158 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:10,440 I think is where I'm at. 159 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,440 Speaker 1: They talked about we'll talk about this in the next 160 00:09:14,399 --> 00:09:16,399 SEGM because we're gonna talk about Collins at the five. 161 00:09:16,919 --> 00:09:19,399 But I thought there was that cool note from Tyler 162 00:09:19,519 --> 00:09:21,799 today that Collins has been showing up early to work 163 00:09:21,840 --> 00:09:26,039 with Jeff Van Gundy and watch film anticipates finding out 164 00:09:26,039 --> 00:09:27,919 how switchable he can be, whether he can guard one 165 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:32,600 through four. So it sounds like he's coming in early 166 00:09:32,639 --> 00:09:34,960 on his own. Awesome. That's great, But it's also nice 167 00:09:35,000 --> 00:09:37,279 that it's like, hey man, this is what's going to 168 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:39,799 help you really get what it seems like to me, 169 00:09:40,519 --> 00:09:41,919 this is what's going to really help you get in 170 00:09:41,919 --> 00:09:44,919 the starting lineup right contract year, work on your defense, 171 00:09:45,759 --> 00:09:47,639 be in the starting five for a team that's still 172 00:09:47,720 --> 00:09:53,639 top seven or two or whatever. In defense. It can 173 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,039 go a long way, So that's just it's good stuff 174 00:09:57,039 --> 00:09:57,960 to hear in training camp. 175 00:09:58,799 --> 00:10:01,879 Speaker 2: I remember when Lawrence Frank asked about John Collins after 176 00:10:01,879 --> 00:10:05,120 they brought him in regarding his defense, and he says 177 00:10:05,120 --> 00:10:08,320 something to the effect of, we expect him to rise 178 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:11,120 to the level that we're playing at here with the Clippers. 179 00:10:12,039 --> 00:10:15,440 So I think it's possible. I think actually he and 180 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:20,879 Bradley Beal, especially early on, will be playing and giving 181 00:10:20,879 --> 00:10:24,200 a great effort on that end. Just when things start 182 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:28,799 to go badly, do guys revert back to I don't know, 183 00:10:28,840 --> 00:10:32,240 the mean a little bit of who they are as defenders. 184 00:10:32,519 --> 00:10:34,919 I do think there's more to tap into with John 185 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,600 Collins on that end that we probably have seen because 186 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:40,360 he's been on some bad teams. I know, they made 187 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:43,480 the Eastern Conference Finals one year with the Atlanta Hawks, 188 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:46,279 but since then he's been on some really bad teams. 189 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,120 And he looked like on fire to be a Clipper 190 00:10:49,279 --> 00:10:54,559 at media Day. He was so just joyful with talking 191 00:10:54,600 --> 00:10:57,919 about being with this team, being in this locker room, 192 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:01,840 the guys that are already here. I really liked his 193 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:06,720 attitude and just demeanor, So I didn't know what his 194 00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,720 personality exactly was like it was he more of a 195 00:11:09,759 --> 00:11:12,519 talkative guy or not seemed like it on media day. 196 00:11:12,639 --> 00:11:14,720 Seems like he's gonna be great for the locker room. 197 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,600 So he does strike me as somebody that maybe would 198 00:11:18,639 --> 00:11:21,240 be more flexible if they need him to come off 199 00:11:21,279 --> 00:11:24,000 the bench, they'll just do whatever it takes type of guy. 200 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:26,519 I don't know. He isn't a contract year, so that 201 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:33,360 does you know, Adelayer a variable to this. But you 202 00:11:33,440 --> 00:11:36,519 finally bring in the four that could slot Kawhi to 203 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:42,480 the three, and he's not going to start now like that, 204 00:11:42,480 --> 00:11:45,720 That just seems unlikely to me. But on the other hand, 205 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:50,399 coach flu talked about point of attack defense being are 206 00:11:50,480 --> 00:11:54,559 their identity. That was their identity last season, and I've 207 00:11:54,639 --> 00:11:58,679 expressed my concerns over losing that this year with leaning 208 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,000 in you know, so much to offense with the new 209 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:04,159 guys they brought in, that they forget who they were 210 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:06,120 and how they got to fifty wins last season when 211 00:12:06,240 --> 00:12:08,480 for the first time in a long time, it really 212 00:12:08,519 --> 00:12:10,519 felt like we knew what you expect or at least 213 00:12:10,519 --> 00:12:12,240 one end of the floor eas every night from the 214 00:12:12,240 --> 00:12:16,200 Clippers team that was refreshing. Well see, I don't know, 215 00:12:16,399 --> 00:12:19,039 I wouldn't be shocked if all of a sudden, Chris 216 00:12:19,159 --> 00:12:22,240 Dunn or DJ was starting. But I do think shot 217 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,600 on Collins it's his opportunity to show what he could do. 218 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:31,240 I mean, people think we can't have three guards here 219 00:12:31,399 --> 00:12:34,679 with Chris Dunn the starting lineup. It's like, the reason 220 00:12:34,759 --> 00:12:38,600 you don't want three guards is because you think of 221 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:42,679 what's gonna happen on the defensive end. Chris Dunn is 222 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:44,759 not a liability on the defensive end, and he can 223 00:12:44,879 --> 00:12:47,879 guard up, so I wouldn't think of him as like, oh, 224 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:52,440 that defensive liability. You can't have another guard out there, 225 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:55,240 another small out there, Like I don't think it's totally 226 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,879 the renmal possibility, but I would prefer to see what 227 00:12:58,919 --> 00:13:01,480 it looks like with John call and Bradley Beale and 228 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:04,840 just get that out of the way, because that's probably 229 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:09,279 the best. That lineup has the highest potential, I should 230 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:10,200 say for the Clippers. 231 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:13,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny you mentioned I was just trying to 232 00:13:13,159 --> 00:13:15,399 think if John Collins has ever been on a team 233 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:20,440 that's been like good at defense, the Hawks team that 234 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:24,440 made the Eastern Conference finals twenty first in defensive rating, 235 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,320 Like even when he went as far as he's never 236 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:29,679 been on a team and then obviously the Utah Jazz 237 00:13:30,519 --> 00:13:34,480 quite literally no interest in playing defense the years that 238 00:13:34,519 --> 00:13:36,799 he was there, So he's never had this kind of 239 00:13:36,799 --> 00:13:39,919 personnel around him for defense, and he's never had i 240 00:13:39,919 --> 00:13:41,720 mean a coach like Van Gundy, right, will like this 241 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,240 is his best opportunity to grow as a defensive player. 242 00:13:46,159 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think it's a great opportunity. I 243 00:13:48,360 --> 00:13:51,440 mean this is also a guy who has been in 244 00:13:51,519 --> 00:13:56,480 trade rumors. I mean what like every year, seemingly every 245 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,399 year like forever, and I would think that it just 246 00:13:59,639 --> 00:14:02,120 suck dude with some of that, like and and again, 247 00:14:02,159 --> 00:14:04,440 this is not a knock on him or like, you know, 248 00:14:04,519 --> 00:14:06,799 his effort or anything like that, but like I do 249 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,919 believe that it gets a little bit hard to you know, 250 00:14:10,039 --> 00:14:13,440 buy into any sort of like long term defensive assignment 251 00:14:13,519 --> 00:14:18,080 or plan when you're constantly facing that much like possibility 252 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:21,399 of just being completely upended. But you know, from what 253 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:24,159 we've heard, all of that trade stuff has not been 254 00:14:24,399 --> 00:14:26,759 because of his conduct in the locker room or anything 255 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:29,039 like that. You know, like I'm not hearing or I 256 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,519 haven't seen red. Yeah that it's like, oh, this guy 257 00:14:32,639 --> 00:14:35,200 is toxic. Like he's bad. He's bad for locker room. 258 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:36,759 That's why everybody wants to get him out of here. 259 00:14:36,799 --> 00:14:39,240 That's I've never I have not heard that. So if 260 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:42,200 you have, feel free to comment on this video. But so, 261 00:14:42,320 --> 00:14:44,360 I think the ability is there, Like he's obviously a 262 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,480 good teammate, he has the size, he has the athleticism. 263 00:14:47,679 --> 00:14:50,240 I think with like a you know, a clear view 264 00:14:50,360 --> 00:14:53,639 and a little bit of you know, buy in organizationally 265 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:57,240 into John Collins, like why would he not pay dividends 266 00:14:57,240 --> 00:14:59,120 on the other side, because I do think that that's 267 00:14:59,159 --> 00:15:00,759 part of it too. It's not only are you on 268 00:15:00,840 --> 00:15:03,240 a crappy team, you're on a crappy team that you 269 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,600 might not be on after the trade deadline. 270 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:10,120 Speaker 1: I like that buying, like buying into John Collins a 271 00:15:10,159 --> 00:15:15,240 little more like help me make the team better. Speaking 272 00:15:15,240 --> 00:15:18,559 of defense, I had this question kicking around in my 273 00:15:18,600 --> 00:15:23,159 empty brain about Bradley Beal because we're talking to starting five, 274 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:27,559 bigger responsibility for Beal on this team, and I understand 275 00:15:27,559 --> 00:15:33,360 this has weighed differently offense or defense for Bradley Beal 276 00:15:33,440 --> 00:15:35,120 on this Clippers team. 277 00:15:35,720 --> 00:15:37,120 Speaker 3: I mean, he was kind of brought in for one. 278 00:15:37,000 --> 00:15:42,799 Speaker 1: Thing, but also there's well, I mean Tyler said he 279 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:44,919 needs to be a good defender. So like in terms 280 00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:48,320 of he's the point of attack guy right now, right 281 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:51,519 like he is, he's third. 282 00:15:51,399 --> 00:15:54,519 Speaker 2: Fifth games, is the point of attack defender. 283 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: He's a third fittle on offense, maybe fourth, depending zose structure. 284 00:15:59,159 --> 00:16:01,120 Speaker 3: I mean, I think that has to be better. For sure, 285 00:16:01,159 --> 00:16:05,159 you're monitoring the floor on that end. But like like 286 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:08,559 a player in like look, a player at this stage 287 00:16:08,559 --> 00:16:11,840 of his career is not I like, I don't know 288 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:15,480 what like massive leap you think he's going to make defensively. 289 00:16:15,159 --> 00:16:17,279 Speaker 1: Oh, he's not gonna be Chris Dunn level, I do. 290 00:16:17,519 --> 00:16:19,440 Speaker 3: I mean, it's not like this is like saying John 291 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:22,279 Collin's gonna shoot, John wall is gonna shoot above thirty five. 292 00:16:23,960 --> 00:16:24,559 Speaker 1: I don't know. 293 00:16:24,600 --> 00:16:26,519 Speaker 3: I don't think he's going to be locking people up 294 00:16:26,519 --> 00:16:27,399 at the point of attack. 295 00:16:27,759 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: No, I didn't say lock. I don't mean like in 296 00:16:29,399 --> 00:16:31,840 terms of ability, like obviously he's not going to become 297 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,480 a Chris dunstyle defender. I mean what he literally has 298 00:16:34,559 --> 00:16:39,840 to do, you know what I mean, Like he's third offensively, 299 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:42,200 if he's the first guy they're putting into action, I 300 00:16:42,279 --> 00:16:44,879 don't know. And again this isn't about like he's going 301 00:16:44,960 --> 00:16:48,679 to grow into this stopper, like we know that that's 302 00:16:48,720 --> 00:16:52,879 the issue. Justin Russo from the article from when Beale signed, 303 00:16:52,879 --> 00:16:56,120 which is really good, I'm just gonna read his raw 304 00:16:56,200 --> 00:17:00,440 notes from his defensive tape. Uh and Justin Russo nos 305 00:17:00,480 --> 00:17:05,039 ball poor defensive posture, gets lost off ball, gets lazy 306 00:17:05,079 --> 00:17:08,240 with his help and gap coverages, susceptible to backdoor cuts 307 00:17:08,279 --> 00:17:10,880 off just one hard jab faking coming off of pin down. 308 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,160 There's a lot of stuff in there. He's got to 309 00:17:13,200 --> 00:17:16,319 figure a lot of shit out, respectfully if he's going 310 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:18,599 to be the point of attack kind of guy. 311 00:17:19,799 --> 00:17:22,519 Speaker 3: I'm just saying, like, yes, he has to raise his floor. 312 00:17:23,079 --> 00:17:26,480 If you're expecting that like to like to rise, Like, 313 00:17:26,599 --> 00:17:29,799 if that is what you saw in the potential of 314 00:17:30,279 --> 00:17:33,880 this signing, I think you're going to be severely disappointed. 315 00:17:34,319 --> 00:17:35,720 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, I know they didn't bring him in 316 00:17:35,759 --> 00:17:39,440 four defense, but the way the team's constructed, responsibility wise, 317 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:41,400 he's going to have to do more than I think 318 00:17:41,440 --> 00:17:42,079 on Phoenix. 319 00:17:42,279 --> 00:17:45,839 Speaker 3: Well, if that's his role, I'm sorry, that's an L signing, 320 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:46,759 that's an L fit. 321 00:17:47,079 --> 00:17:48,319 Speaker 1: Well, it's for the minimum. 322 00:17:49,799 --> 00:17:53,559 Speaker 2: Well, he was their point of attack guy for Phoenix, 323 00:17:53,839 --> 00:17:56,559 and they had worst defenders around him, so I think 324 00:17:56,640 --> 00:17:59,079 in that respect it makes things a little bit easier. 325 00:18:00,480 --> 00:18:03,359 He was a pretty solid defender with Washington in his 326 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:06,519 younger days. He was he was a good defender, I 327 00:18:06,519 --> 00:18:10,240 would say at that point. He's thirty two. Now, it's 328 00:18:10,279 --> 00:18:16,480 hard to judge everything that happened in Phoenix, and you 329 00:18:16,519 --> 00:18:19,920 know who should take the majority of the blame for 330 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:24,359 things not working out. I do think the effort is 331 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:26,839 going to be there early on. He will surprise some 332 00:18:26,920 --> 00:18:33,039 people because he's capable when he's focused and just being 333 00:18:33,079 --> 00:18:36,759 on this team, choosing to come here, of course, being 334 00:18:36,799 --> 00:18:38,960 comfortable here in La I guess where his wife is 335 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:42,480 from or lives. I do think they're going to get 336 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:46,400 the best out of him, but you also have to 337 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:50,640 understand he's not moving the same way he was when 338 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,400 he was twenty five with the Washington Wizards. 339 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,599 Speaker 1: On that end, of course, do we think I was 340 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:58,480 just looking at the field goal attempts from last year 341 00:18:58,480 --> 00:19:02,680 for the Clips, Nor ended up with the third most 342 00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:07,079 per game. Sorry, I think Beal gets in there. He 343 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,200 was taken more than bial took last year, but again 344 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:10,519 obviously different team makeup. 345 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and norm started the year. You know how many 346 00:19:14,200 --> 00:19:17,240 games before Kawhi came back, so he had good call, 347 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,000 more opportunities to get up more shots. Third most. I mean, 348 00:19:22,039 --> 00:19:25,400 it's possible if he's able to stay healthy, if he's 349 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,440 feeling good. And we got word that he had a 350 00:19:27,480 --> 00:19:31,079 cleanup in May after the season, Yeah, got a scope. 351 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,640 Sounds like she's good to go rate a rock and roll. 352 00:19:34,759 --> 00:19:40,759 But they are being very cautious with he and Bogey, 353 00:19:41,319 --> 00:19:45,480 even though it sounds like I'm not worried about it. 354 00:19:45,359 --> 00:19:46,920 Speaker 1: But you're a doctor. 355 00:19:47,799 --> 00:19:53,319 Speaker 2: He's on the older side, not worried about it. From 356 00:19:53,319 --> 00:19:57,279 what we heard from coach Lou he's thirty two with 357 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,359 some mileage that is played fifty three games exactly the 358 00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:04,279 last two seasons each of the last two seasons, So 359 00:20:04,279 --> 00:20:06,119 sounds like they do gotta protect him a little bit. 360 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: Well, were you worried when you heard the scope stuff 361 00:20:09,480 --> 00:20:13,599 from Beal or we're an old team, right, I was 362 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,440 kind of like okay, Like no. 363 00:20:15,519 --> 00:20:17,519 Speaker 3: Those kind of clean up things are so common that 364 00:20:17,759 --> 00:20:21,039 sometimes they kind of go under the radar, or like 365 00:20:21,319 --> 00:20:24,119 it seems like teams sort of neglect to report that 366 00:20:24,160 --> 00:20:24,720 for a while. 367 00:20:26,519 --> 00:20:29,079 Speaker 1: Do they have to if it's the off season. Is 368 00:20:29,119 --> 00:20:29,960 that a dumb question? 369 00:20:31,079 --> 00:20:33,599 Speaker 2: I think they have to at some point, is because 370 00:20:33,759 --> 00:20:35,480 I think gambling aspect. 371 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there are some rules on that, but 372 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:42,240 of course, so not super concerning. No, I would say 373 00:20:42,279 --> 00:20:45,240 part for the course, I mean the Bogie news that 374 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,440 he's like already five weeks into a four to six 375 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,759 week recovery they think, I mean that to me is 376 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:55,039 more exciting than the brat than the Beal news. Is 377 00:20:55,079 --> 00:20:57,079 concerning for me where I'm at right now. 378 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,279 Speaker 1: I agree with that we have a we have a 379 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,079 no crinkle rule because we got dips. So if you 380 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:08,880 if you're crunching the chip on Mike, you get putting 381 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:13,119 time out or something. I was hyped too. I thought 382 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:15,759 it was so funny where he was like the media exaggerated. 383 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,319 Wasn't that big of an issue? Like everyone calmed down. 384 00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:23,440 Speaker 3: Injury? 385 00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, remember Landry Shammitt, Dude, Landry Shammitt would like Landry 386 00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,400 Shammitt's like arm could be hanging up by the elbow 387 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:36,160 and he'd be like just a sprinkle. Yeah, when he 388 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,759 was recovering. He was heard at the end of the year, 389 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:41,279 which is partly why he was not good in the playoffs. 390 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,640 They said that he needed a month of rehab before 391 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:50,720 joining Serbia for euro Basket, so like he was beat 392 00:21:50,759 --> 00:21:51,279 the hell up. 393 00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 2: It seems like yeah, sounds like a lot of little 394 00:21:55,240 --> 00:21:59,160 things that kind of sapped his abilities. 395 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 1: How old is Bogda? 396 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:03,160 Speaker 2: Heast might be thirty three? 397 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: Now thirty three? He nailed it. His birthday's August eighteenth. 398 00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,240 Pretty cool him and my sister and I can have 399 00:22:09,279 --> 00:22:11,359 a really fun Maybe maybe he wants to do a 400 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:16,440 birthday next year. I don't know. It'll probably be in Montana. 401 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:16,640 Speaker 2: Spogi bash is or legendary. 402 00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: Dude, I'm dude. I'm if there's one thing I'm sure 403 00:22:19,799 --> 00:22:28,160 is legendary, it's a Serbian's birthday party. Like Tylu also 404 00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:32,480 said he wants to reduce Harden's usage this season. He said, 405 00:22:32,480 --> 00:22:34,880 we don't want to have to be in sixty pick 406 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:39,000 and rolls every game? Will How are you feeling about 407 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,839 Harden's usage rate? How can that be combated? How can 408 00:22:41,880 --> 00:22:43,640 we lower it? I'm going to pull up the numbers 409 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:44,240 on it right now. 410 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:54,160 Speaker 3: I mean, we have a lot more help around him. 411 00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,240 I still just think he's going to be initiating a 412 00:22:56,240 --> 00:22:58,160 lot of the offense and carrying the ball up the 413 00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:01,319 court even a lot of the time. But you know, 414 00:23:01,400 --> 00:23:04,640 certainly Brady bel can take on some of those those 415 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:07,839 playmaking duties. As far as the starting lineup is concerned, 416 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,319 I don't see it changing that much. I still think 417 00:23:13,319 --> 00:23:15,559 he's gonna be heavily involved in a lot of the action. 418 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:17,839 I think like where he could see a bigger break 419 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:21,920 is in some of those other bench like in some 420 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:25,000 of those other bench minutes, And maybe you can reduce 421 00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,680 some of his usage that way, because you know that 422 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,880 he's gonna want to I mean, you know that he's 423 00:23:29,920 --> 00:23:31,960 gonna want to play sixty plus games. 424 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:32,839 Speaker 1: Which. 425 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:44,880 Speaker 3: And I don't know how effective it is to like 426 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:47,319 rest him for a long periods of time slash, I don't, 427 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:49,200 you know, like he's so much of a rhythm guy. 428 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,519 Speaker 1: It unknown though, I think that's a good point, Like 429 00:23:52,599 --> 00:23:57,000 what does Harden look like with like extended rastoris not recovering, 430 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:58,519 Like he's a guy who seems like he's got to 431 00:23:58,599 --> 00:23:59,799 keep going, which. 432 00:23:59,599 --> 00:24:01,559 Speaker 3: We yeah, yeah, And so I think that you kind 433 00:24:01,559 --> 00:24:03,279 of have to sneak it in. And I think the 434 00:24:03,279 --> 00:24:05,160 way that you do that is, just like with some 435 00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,039 of those lineups, a sert of around him. I think 436 00:24:08,480 --> 00:24:11,000 to a certain degree, like it's like a save him 437 00:24:11,000 --> 00:24:14,119 from his himself type situation, Like I I, you know, 438 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:17,039 I don't think that well. I mean, I guess last 439 00:24:17,079 --> 00:24:19,960 year like it was necessitated. We didate need James to 440 00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:22,160 be like as great as he is overall. I think 441 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,839 with the talent on this roster, it shouldn't be as 442 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,599 necessary for his usage rate to be that high. 443 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: But it was, I gotta be honest with by two 444 00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:35,000 point six percent for forty nine point six twenty nine 445 00:24:35,039 --> 00:24:35,559 point six. 446 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 3: Oh, I was like forty nine That's how is that possible? 447 00:24:39,279 --> 00:24:42,359 Speaker 1: Like? Wait, what the year before on the Clippers he 448 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:43,640 was at twenty. 449 00:24:44,279 --> 00:24:47,079 Speaker 3: I I don't see it being lower than like twenty 450 00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:48,319 five or twenty six percent. 451 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 1: I think we're splitting the difference between twenty and. 452 00:24:50,759 --> 00:24:53,079 Speaker 3: But I think if you can get there, like, you know, 453 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,319 that's a you know that that over the course of 454 00:24:56,319 --> 00:25:00,240 a season is a huge amount of cumulative rest taking 455 00:25:00,279 --> 00:25:04,200 miles off. But I I understand what they're they're saying 456 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:05,799 with that quote. I don't think it's going to be 457 00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:06,920 like dramatic though. 458 00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:12,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think part of coach Blew's argument for why 459 00:25:12,839 --> 00:25:15,519 he can go with John Collins is also because with 460 00:25:15,559 --> 00:25:19,200 Bradley Beal already knowing he's in the starting lineup, well 461 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:21,440 there goes the argument that he needs Chris Dune so 462 00:25:21,480 --> 00:25:23,519 he can have somebody else bring up the ball. Plus 463 00:25:23,599 --> 00:25:29,440 Kawhi is starting the season. I do think Bradley Beal 464 00:25:29,559 --> 00:25:31,680 can bring up the ball a lot like. This is 465 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,359 not Norman Pal, this is not Bogee Like. He can 466 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,400 have the ball in his hands a ton, that's not 467 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:40,240 a problem. He can run, pick and roll, and that 468 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:42,519 is he can be a weapon in that respect. And 469 00:25:42,599 --> 00:25:45,240 saving James Harden and his legs I think, you know, 470 00:25:45,599 --> 00:25:48,319 used to could get down to maybe twenty three percent 471 00:25:48,519 --> 00:25:55,240 something like that when they're healthy. Uh. I do think. 472 00:25:55,599 --> 00:25:58,960 You know, it's funny we talk about is it beneficial 473 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:02,799 for James Harden to take games off because he is 474 00:26:02,839 --> 00:26:06,359 a rhythm guy. I think there's something to that. But 475 00:26:06,559 --> 00:26:10,880 also there's this build up and we've seen like twice 476 00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,640 now the last two years with the Clippers, he has 477 00:26:13,680 --> 00:26:17,400 had what looks like dead legs like near the All 478 00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:21,480 Star break are around there, and then it comes back 479 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,960 and maybe these were just you know, different types of 480 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:29,240 injuries that were taken a little bit of the tread 481 00:26:29,279 --> 00:26:32,559 off or taking some energy away from him. But I 482 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,960 just wonder even if it looks like, you know, he 483 00:26:36,000 --> 00:26:38,960 can have a game where like the fifty point game 484 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:40,839 he had against Detroit when they just played the night 485 00:26:40,880 --> 00:26:45,400 before against Phoenix twenty three point lead, so and Harden 486 00:26:45,519 --> 00:26:50,839 somehow plays heavy minutes, drops fifty incredible. It's like, how 487 00:26:50,839 --> 00:26:54,920 does he have this in him? But even with examples 488 00:26:55,039 --> 00:26:58,920 like that, I still think there's a cumulative effect that 489 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:03,079 maybe hurts him by the end of the season, and 490 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:04,759 that could be part of the reason for some of 491 00:27:04,799 --> 00:27:07,960 the playoff droppage or the lowering of the numbers and 492 00:27:08,039 --> 00:27:12,640 the playoffs. I would just like to see him, yes, 493 00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:16,680 have the ball in his hands less. That obviously had 494 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,160 a big effect on the turnovers, especially to start the 495 00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:22,160 season when he had so many. Yeah, and they came 496 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,599 late in games in fourth quarters very often you could 497 00:27:25,599 --> 00:27:27,519 see there's some tired legs out there and there was 498 00:27:27,559 --> 00:27:32,440 some fatigue. So I Lou's definitely saying the right thing here. 499 00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:35,880 The question is, and I think this speaks to Will's point. 500 00:27:35,920 --> 00:27:38,440 It's like he's so used to having the ball in 501 00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:40,359 his hands, it's easy to say we're gonna take it 502 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:43,559 out of his hands. But when rubber meats road, is 503 00:27:43,599 --> 00:27:48,240 it really that realistic? Because he's James Harden? 504 00:27:48,599 --> 00:27:50,559 Speaker 3: And is it even what you want? Like is it 505 00:27:50,599 --> 00:27:52,240 what he wants? Is it what you want? 506 00:27:52,279 --> 00:27:52,359 Speaker 2: Like? 507 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 3: I agree that he needs to have more rest. And 508 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:57,000 you know, I think we talk all the time on 509 00:27:57,039 --> 00:27:59,759 here about like the cumulative knocks throughout a season that's 510 00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,400 little timey nagging things that are nothing, and it's nothing, 511 00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:05,640 and then it all builds up. And you know, even 512 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:08,000 if a player is at eighty percent of what they 513 00:28:08,039 --> 00:28:09,799 should be because of that, I mean, it has a 514 00:28:09,799 --> 00:28:11,640 massive difference when you get to the playoff and the 515 00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:15,599 playoffs and the the margins erasor thing. But I yeah, 516 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,400 I just how much do you really want Harden out there? 517 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: Like off ball? 518 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,839 Speaker 3: Like not bringing the ball, you know, like you know, 519 00:28:23,039 --> 00:28:25,759 not initiating the offense. Not that he can't do it, 520 00:28:25,799 --> 00:28:29,839 obviously he can. He's a great shooter. You know, he 521 00:28:29,880 --> 00:28:33,240 can do all sorts of things off ball. How much 522 00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:34,079 do you want that? 523 00:28:34,240 --> 00:28:34,559 Speaker 1: Though? 524 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 3: I think if he's still running around screens and stuff 525 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,799 like that, like, okay, how much less work is that 526 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:43,200 really than just bringing the ball up? Like if he's 527 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960 gonna be acted and if he's not, why not just 528 00:28:46,039 --> 00:28:48,079 get him some rest so he doesn't have to run 529 00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:49,559 up and down the floor at all. 530 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:51,880 Speaker 1: We brought in a backup point guard who can set 531 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:54,119 up an offense pretty well as we know, which helps 532 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,440 everything too, right, Like. 533 00:28:56,839 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, with CP three obviously, who could just fill it 534 00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:03,400 and start some games and James Harden knee dressed. I 535 00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:05,480 think what's going to save him more so than just 536 00:29:05,799 --> 00:29:08,359 you know, not ringing the ball up as much, is 537 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:11,400 not having to shoot and generate his own offense as much. 538 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:15,119 He went from taking eleven point four shots per game 539 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,720 in his first season with the Clippers seventy two games 540 00:29:17,759 --> 00:29:21,559 to last season sixteen point four shot attempts per game. 541 00:29:22,200 --> 00:29:25,519 That could get back down to let's say twelve shots 542 00:29:25,519 --> 00:29:29,240 per game this season. I think that is as tiring 543 00:29:29,319 --> 00:29:32,319 and as taxing as anything when you have to create 544 00:29:32,359 --> 00:29:34,319 for yourself all the time. When he can go back 545 00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:36,720 to being more of a facilitator like he was when 546 00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:38,960 Paul George was still there and they had the twenty 547 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:41,720 six and five run during the twenty three twenty four season, 548 00:29:42,359 --> 00:29:46,119 that may also keep him from being too tired by 549 00:29:46,119 --> 00:29:46,839 the end of the year. 550 00:29:47,759 --> 00:29:52,319 Speaker 1: Yeah. I like with field goal attempts and usage. If 551 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:55,559 they can just split the difference from two seasons ago 552 00:29:55,599 --> 00:29:58,400 in last year, it feels like the Clippers will be 553 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:02,200 operating maybe optimal, you know what I mean, Like everyone 554 00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:05,160 else is doing their job. Harden's not having to play 555 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:09,079 as much. Hero ball not derogatory, you know what I mean, 556 00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:13,920 Like give Zoo ball. The more we were talking about, well, 557 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,920 we were talking about this last live that Zuo's U 558 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:20,240 shoulds last year was like almost twenty percent career high 559 00:30:20,279 --> 00:30:23,400 with the Clippers. Obviously won't be that high again, but 560 00:30:24,319 --> 00:30:28,799 some way maybe but maybe yeah, Like but a way 561 00:30:28,799 --> 00:30:30,680 to help that is like to help the hard thing too, 562 00:30:30,799 --> 00:30:33,480 is like you don't want Zuo's uses to drop to 563 00:30:33,519 --> 00:30:35,240 what it was, you know, two years ago or something 564 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:37,440 like that. You want hardens to be less. Just throw 565 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:38,960 the ball into the post war. This is the old 566 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,359 adam of Oslo. Just gives Zoo the ball, not in 567 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:43,440 a pike and roll scenario. 568 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 3: Well, and I think that you know that's an easy uh, 569 00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,119 that's an sort of makes things easy on Beal too, 570 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,880 write like if he's initiating more of this offense, you 571 00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,759 know that you have another guy out there that you 572 00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,519 can trust. You can get the ball to and let 573 00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:00,720 him go to work sometimes. So you know, I think 574 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,839 that that's one of those things that'll make his transition 575 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:07,200 a little bit easier because well, Bial certainly, like you know, 576 00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,720 is gonna be the best facilitating point guard that Hardin 577 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:14,519 has had on this Clippers team. I still think there's 578 00:31:14,559 --> 00:31:16,240 gonna be I still think there's gonna be a bit 579 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,200 of a learning curve for him as the prime initiator 580 00:31:19,200 --> 00:31:21,160 of the offense. Not that there won't be for Chris 581 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,079 Paul or anyone else, but for someone who's gonna see 582 00:31:23,079 --> 00:31:25,240 as heavy minutes as bal does, I think that that 583 00:31:25,359 --> 00:31:27,599 is going to be an area offensively where he might 584 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,039 struggle at the beginning of. 585 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:31,640 Speaker 1: The season, especially with who if Collins is the other 586 00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:33,240 starter next to him too. It's two you know what 587 00:31:33,279 --> 00:31:35,519 I mean. It's two new guys in a lineup of guys. 588 00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:37,160 Speaker 3: Not the beal though it's all the same either way, 589 00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,720 you know what I mean, It's four new guys to him, 590 00:31:39,759 --> 00:31:41,359 no matter how how you deal it. 591 00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 2: Something else that could uh save the Clippers and James 592 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:50,000 Harden is just I don't know, kicking teams asses and 593 00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:53,400 running them or jogging them off the floor. Because they're older. 594 00:31:54,559 --> 00:31:56,720 Speaker 1: Getting them off their lawn. Is that what we're gonna 595 00:31:56,720 --> 00:31:58,759 call when Clippers bloat teams out as they got them 596 00:31:58,759 --> 00:32:04,599 off their lawn. I'm not mad at that. All right, 597 00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,119 let us know what you think about the usage rates. 598 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,839 Speaker 3: To give us some specific, some specific excitations on that. 599 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:15,160 Speaker 1: There's some freaks out there. I appreciate any comment that 600 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,440 has some percentage signs in it. We love it. Uh. 601 00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:22,440 Coming up, we're gonna be talking Collins at the five 602 00:32:22,640 --> 00:32:25,240 because that's been a hot topic. And then we have 603 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,039 Dips and there were some weird Clipper vision news that 604 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,000 confused me and apparently me alone. Uh, So we have 605 00:32:31,039 --> 00:32:33,119 an ad break and then John Collins at the five 606 00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,000 and Dip talk coming up in three two one. 607 00:32:36,759 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 3: All right, welcome back into Cliffs and Dip, your favorite 608 00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:43,440 NBA off season Clippers podcast. 609 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,319 Speaker 1: We hope. 610 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:49,640 Speaker 3: Uh. Look, we talked about uh that also reviews a 611 00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:53,039 lot of quantifiers there. Look, we talked about media day, 612 00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:56,319 we talked about some upcoming stuff. We've talked about John 613 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,279 Collins a little bit and and how he and if 614 00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,599 he will slide into this starting lineup. How it's time 615 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:05,440 to talk about John Collins potentially at the five. There 616 00:33:05,519 --> 00:33:09,119 was obviously some excitement around that certainly does give the 617 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:14,599 Clippers a little bit more versatility. But Charles, how much 618 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:16,079 do you think we're actually even gonna see that? 619 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:23,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, because like the last four years, which 620 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:29,160 I know, not good teams, weird scenarios. Here's the percentage 621 00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:33,039 of his minutes he played at center three percent, thirteen percent, 622 00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,960 eight percent, six percent. His lowest ever was twenty four 623 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,480 to twenty five, but that was the Jazz. Things were weird. 624 00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,799 I just don't I think it's gonna be very situational, 625 00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,160 like it's gonna be not that many possessions per game. 626 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:53,799 And we talked about that defensive quote earlier about finding 627 00:33:53,839 --> 00:33:55,559 out how switchable he can be where he can guard 628 00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:58,559 one through four. Lot Murray was saying that to him, 629 00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:01,279 that doesn't sound like he's gonna be you against true centers, 630 00:34:02,319 --> 00:34:05,839 you'd like, I don't think we're gonna see like three 631 00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:10,000 minutes of John Collins at the small ballf unless we're 632 00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:11,920 just like shit kickings like in a you know what 633 00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,360 I mean, Like, unless we're just killing it that run. 634 00:34:14,440 --> 00:34:16,920 But I don't know how much it's gonna be, which 635 00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,559 I don't think is a bad thing either. Like I 636 00:34:18,559 --> 00:34:21,239 didn't want to pose this question as him not playing 637 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,920 the centers like a nightmare, but well, hell. 638 00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,119 Speaker 3: I guess my thing would be, if you're already worried 639 00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:32,199 about Collins on the defensive end, why are you gonna 640 00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,239 put that challenge on him like that often or very often? 641 00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:40,400 Like there's so many even a slower even a slower 642 00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,360 moving center like a Steven Adams or somebody, it's like 643 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:47,639 kinna absolutely destroy someone like John Collins, like in in 644 00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:50,599 coverage or in the post, like it's just not I 645 00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:54,079 I think that we will obviously see it. I do 646 00:34:54,119 --> 00:34:58,239 think that it's something that they're interested in pursuing. How 647 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,840 often is obviously going to be so much up dependent? 648 00:35:01,159 --> 00:35:04,360 But you know, yeah, that would be My big question 649 00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:09,039 is like if if you're already worried about his you know, 650 00:35:09,119 --> 00:35:12,639 his defensive issues, I don't know how much time you're 651 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:15,760 gonna see Collins at the five in you know, in 652 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:19,960 crunch time, lineups, in minutes where it matters. I think 653 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:21,840 that they're gonna it's gonna be something that they'll play 654 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:27,280 around with throughout the season. Yeah, I think we'd have 655 00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,519 to really see something from it for it to pop 656 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:34,360 because otherwise, toss the old Frenchman back in there. All right, 657 00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,559 you want to play around the small ball five, Get 658 00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,559 the old reliable back in there, Fire up the cannons, 659 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,639 let's go, let's do this one last time. We're getting 660 00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:45,400 the band together. 661 00:35:46,039 --> 00:35:48,000 Speaker 1: You're not. I don't think you're wrong about it, because 662 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:50,559 I put in the breakdown, like what was the last 663 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:56,079 meaningful season of the Clippers playing with a small ball five? 664 00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:01,320 And it was with Nico twenty two twenty three. He 665 00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,280 played forty one percent of his minutes at the five, 666 00:36:04,199 --> 00:36:07,440 so like it was Yeah, I was like, holy shit, 667 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:15,599 a fair amount minutes. Yep, that's true. Yeah, uh but 668 00:36:15,679 --> 00:36:18,800 I like that point about, like, if we're gonna fuck 669 00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,559 around with the small ball five, couldn't Collins and Batooma 670 00:36:21,559 --> 00:36:24,039 also share the floor and Niko just plays the five? 671 00:36:25,320 --> 00:36:27,760 Speaker 2: Yeah? I think that was mentioned. I can't remember it 672 00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:30,119 was Coach Lou or if it was John Collins who 673 00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:33,400 mentioned it at media Day, but it might have been 674 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,960 Coach Lou saying Collins with Batoum and Kawhi out there, 675 00:36:38,159 --> 00:36:43,480 so it's a small but big still lineup. I do 676 00:36:43,519 --> 00:36:45,519 think it's going to be used sparingly, and it may 677 00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:47,440 just depend on if the other team tries to go 678 00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,519 small and coach lou goes, all right, let's get a 679 00:36:49,559 --> 00:36:52,760 look at this, let's try this, because the one thing 680 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,119 he keeps stressing is what seems to excite him most, 681 00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:59,599 is that John Collins shot forty percent from three last season. 682 00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,440 I think what he's getting at there is we can 683 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,119 play him next two fives because he can help us 684 00:37:05,159 --> 00:37:08,880 still spread the floor and it's not gonna cau cause 685 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:13,239 you know, a bog down offense where two guys are 686 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:16,239 waiting in the post, you can still spread the floor 687 00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:20,119 well enough with John Collins out there, which that needs 688 00:37:20,159 --> 00:37:23,719 to happen. That's that's a critical That's one of the 689 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:27,079 critical traits of why we talked for so long about Okay, guys, 690 00:37:27,119 --> 00:37:30,000 you want a four, how many of these guys can actually, 691 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,960 you know, shoot from the outside, because you're gonna need 692 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,400 that next to a Beats, a Zubots because he's not 693 00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:37,679 a shooter from the outside that we know of yet, 694 00:37:38,079 --> 00:37:41,000 so it's hard to find guys like this. They went 695 00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,320 out there, they bade the trade for John Collins, but 696 00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:48,480 I think that's obviously that's more of the traditional view 697 00:37:48,519 --> 00:37:52,679 of how coach lou and I think the front office 698 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:56,400 and franchise looks at him like he's a four and 699 00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:59,480 maybe maybe we'll see some fun stuff and some wrinkles 700 00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,440 and aker and tie out there with him at the 701 00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:04,440 five here and there. But the point is, if he 702 00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:06,719 can shoot it from the outside, you know, it's not 703 00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:08,679 a problem him playing the floor. 704 00:38:10,519 --> 00:38:12,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm gonna be furious when he's playing the floor 705 00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,519 or the floor, I think too. To your point, you 706 00:38:16,559 --> 00:38:20,039 look at they brought in another traditional big who is 707 00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,960 very good for what their role on a team would 708 00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:26,079 be in Lopez, So like, we're not we don't have 709 00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,119 to play a small ball lineup because we're dealing with 710 00:38:29,199 --> 00:38:34,639 backup centers who are borderline NBA players, you know what 711 00:38:34,639 --> 00:38:37,320 I mean? Like, we we have the personnel. Will you 712 00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,559 brought this up like a month ago. Our depth is 713 00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:44,760 slotted depth. We don't have like Whoa. We have. We 714 00:38:44,800 --> 00:38:47,199 have twelve guards we're gonna forget out to play, and 715 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,239 our backup center is Mo Bamba. Like we have like 716 00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,519 guys who can slot in, which means that we don't 717 00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:58,760 have to force the issue of John Collins at the 718 00:38:58,760 --> 00:38:59,360 five either. 719 00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 3: That being said, plays you next to Brook Lopez and 720 00:39:03,079 --> 00:39:05,320 John Collins a couple of guards. 721 00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:11,079 Speaker 2: Maybe maybe Kawho is interesting because you say traditional, but 722 00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,119 he's a stretch five. He's a true stretch five. 723 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,519 Speaker 3: I still don't want to see him play next to Zoom. 724 00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:20,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure it will happen at some point, but 725 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:25,599 at least next to John Collins. Like, I think that's 726 00:39:25,639 --> 00:39:28,880 a really good pairing. I just love the possibilities and 727 00:39:28,920 --> 00:39:32,960 the versatility and different lineup machinations that coach Lo didn't 728 00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:33,440 come up with. 729 00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:37,280 Speaker 1: And Collins is a really good cutter. I was revisiting 730 00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,239 that Roosts article again. You know in the Pick and Roll, 731 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,679 Collins is a great cutter. Zoo's a great passer. Haggle, 732 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:48,920 no haggle a vitza. Zoo Bots will throw five alley 733 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:50,920 oops to John Collins this season. 734 00:39:52,920 --> 00:40:00,880 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, no haggle this season, no question. Yes he might, 735 00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:02,519 he might do that in the first two months. 736 00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: Well where are you at? Haggle, No haggle. 737 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna share Adam's confidence here. I'll get it. 738 00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:12,920 Speaker 1: I'll get the hale. Yeah. I was thinking about it. 739 00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:14,760 I was like, I don't think Zoo's thrown a single one. 740 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,320 He's only made one three in his career, so he 741 00:40:18,400 --> 00:40:20,679 might as he only has one triple double two, so 742 00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:24,960 maybe he can get these five oops to Collins because 743 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:26,960 Collins is gonna have space to cut. There's gonna be 744 00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,360 some defensive teams because they got to leave somebody. Maybe 745 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,199 if they decide to kind of double team Zoo. But 746 00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:35,239 I think the oops are gonna be there. 747 00:40:35,880 --> 00:40:42,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe oh five on the season. Yeah, that's pretty good. 748 00:40:42,119 --> 00:40:46,599 Over under actually, well before and a half he had 749 00:40:46,599 --> 00:40:47,199 a hook. 750 00:40:49,039 --> 00:40:49,679 Speaker 1: For the hook. 751 00:40:50,559 --> 00:40:51,880 Speaker 2: I'll take the over though. 752 00:40:52,039 --> 00:40:54,760 Speaker 1: Okay, good to hear, good to hear. Yeah, I think 753 00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,000 this is gonna be a one. 754 00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:57,119 Speaker 3: I'll take the money line. 755 00:40:58,199 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 1: I think this is gonna be a thing that like 756 00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:04,239 people will get upset that we don't see more of, 757 00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:08,519 but it won't matter, you know what I mean, Like, 758 00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:10,239 like how can we never see Collins at the five? 759 00:41:10,280 --> 00:41:12,920 We're gonna be like, well, we're top ten in defense 760 00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,280 and we're top six in offense, so it doesn't really matter, 761 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,280 you know what I mean. Like it's gonna be those 762 00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:18,719 grass is always greener things. 763 00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:23,840 Speaker 3: I think if we're if we're you're saying we're gonna 764 00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:28,400 be top ten in offense and defense, yeah, then I 765 00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:29,920 have no complaints. 766 00:41:29,760 --> 00:41:32,679 Speaker 1: Exactly, of course, but I think there's always then. 767 00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 3: It seems like they've figured out that. It seems like 768 00:41:35,000 --> 00:41:38,559 they've figured out the uh the lineup machinations better than 769 00:41:38,559 --> 00:41:39,239 I could. 770 00:41:39,239 --> 00:41:43,079 Speaker 1: Exactly, But there's always the grass is always greener. I'm disagrees, 771 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,840 Like no tries to play together, you know what I mean, 772 00:41:46,880 --> 00:41:50,639 Like it's like, we don't need this, Like, don't worry 773 00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:51,119 about it. 774 00:41:52,119 --> 00:41:55,320 Speaker 2: There's not a long track record of John Collins thriving 775 00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:59,679 playing small ball five in any capacity for either franchise 776 00:42:00,199 --> 00:42:02,599 with so I don't know why people would be so 777 00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,800 hung up on that, again. 778 00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,679 Speaker 3: Since they wanted him for years in trades like about 779 00:42:10,760 --> 00:42:12,519 him specifically as a small wall five. 780 00:42:12,559 --> 00:42:15,480 Speaker 2: And it's like I think that made more sense before 781 00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,039 they got brook Lopez. If they didn't have brook Lopez, 782 00:42:18,360 --> 00:42:20,039 then there would be more of a reason to try 783 00:42:20,039 --> 00:42:20,400 it out. 784 00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:25,639 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that's that desperation stuff, right, Like. 785 00:42:25,559 --> 00:42:28,400 Speaker 2: Brooke was playing thirty one minutes a game last year, 786 00:42:28,480 --> 00:42:32,400 Like he's probably only going to play twenty minutes now. Uh, 787 00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,960 Like when Zoo's off the floor, it should be brook 788 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:37,280 Lopez out there playing the five. 789 00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:44,880 Speaker 1: If it's not Nico, if it's not Nico. 790 00:42:45,199 --> 00:42:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, get in line John first, Brook honestly, Yeah, Nico, 791 00:42:49,039 --> 00:42:49,440 then you. 792 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:55,320 Speaker 1: Kid it live respectfully. We don't need this right now, 793 00:42:58,679 --> 00:43:00,559 all right, anything else about colle at the five. 794 00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:04,559 Speaker 3: We haven't talked enough about Brook Lopez. 795 00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:10,039 Speaker 2: My concern about Collins offensively is less like guarding up 796 00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,280 with traditional fives, but just can he guard out on 797 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:16,760 the perimeter and switch the way they hope he can. 798 00:43:17,360 --> 00:43:19,480 I feel like it's in him. He's throwing a lot 799 00:43:19,519 --> 00:43:22,760 of quick feet on the offensive end, but it's a 800 00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,880 little bit different on the perimeter. You get out on 801 00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:27,559 an island like that, guys can lose you in a hurry. 802 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be Zoo and KOI are gonna have quite 803 00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,400 a bit of responsibility, not that they don't usually, but 804 00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:39,159 there's two worse. There's worse guys that have a lot 805 00:43:39,159 --> 00:43:41,519 of responsibility. And you're starting five defensively. 806 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 2: How quick do we think they're bringing in Done or 807 00:43:45,559 --> 00:43:49,360 DJ off the bench? Assuming John Collins does start, let's say, 808 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:52,440 for argument's sake, at the four, and obviously Beal's in there. 809 00:43:53,599 --> 00:43:55,320 I don't even need to ask which of them is 810 00:43:55,320 --> 00:43:58,159 coming off the bench first, but one of them definitely is, 811 00:43:59,079 --> 00:44:02,000 and that can leave you a lot of these defensive concerns, 812 00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,480 like if one of them comes in, you know, four 813 00:44:04,519 --> 00:44:06,800 minutes or five minutes into the ball game, what are 814 00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:09,079 we talking about here. It's not the end of the world. 815 00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:12,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think. I mean, if there's a run early 816 00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:16,320 TYLERU will make that switch, right if he sees a 817 00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:19,280 guy getting beat, especially if it's a newer, if it's 818 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,239 one of the new additions, he's gonna be like, okay, 819 00:44:21,239 --> 00:44:24,039 Like clearly I think the I think the leash will 820 00:44:24,079 --> 00:44:24,920 be short. 821 00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:32,519 Speaker 3: I also think that well, I don't know. I was 822 00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:35,239 gonna say. I wonder how much they'll if they'll stagger 823 00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:38,360 beal more. But they have so many playmakers coming off 824 00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:41,760 the bench then it really could go either way. With 825 00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:50,039 your with your first sum Yeah, hmm. 826 00:44:50,960 --> 00:44:53,239 Speaker 2: C three CP three is coming off the bench first 827 00:44:53,559 --> 00:44:55,320 for James Harden. I don't know. 828 00:44:56,119 --> 00:45:03,119 Speaker 1: Maybe like Tinker and Tie even worse defensively, could we 829 00:45:03,159 --> 00:45:06,599 get even worse? Yeah? Take KWHI out, put CP three in. 830 00:45:06,639 --> 00:45:11,079 You got CP three hard and deal collin Zoo. Zoo's 831 00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:14,519 yelling at everybody, get Zoo out of there, get him 832 00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:15,000 out of there. 833 00:45:15,159 --> 00:45:16,079 Speaker 3: The vibes are off. 834 00:45:17,679 --> 00:45:21,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, what's the astrology report on that starting lineup we got. 835 00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:23,960 Speaker 3: I thought we had a good one. I have to 836 00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:24,599 pull it back up. 837 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:26,760 Speaker 1: We did. We gotta pull that up. We should have 838 00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:31,159 that person on the pod because that's very funny to me. Okay, 839 00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:33,880 dip talk. Are we at dip Talk? 840 00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:36,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? 841 00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:37,159 Speaker 1: All right? 842 00:45:37,719 --> 00:45:41,519 Speaker 3: Thoughts on astrology in general and the vibe on the Clippers. 843 00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:44,239 Speaker 1: I will say I did have one thing for dip talk. 844 00:45:45,119 --> 00:45:48,400 It was announced today that Clipper Vision has merged with 845 00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:49,400 fan Duel. 846 00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,119 Speaker 3: What does that mean? 847 00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:55,119 Speaker 1: So I was losing my goddamn mind because I was, 848 00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,400 like I've been I watched most of the Clippers games 849 00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:05,159 on this shitty FanDuel app because Bally Sports No No 850 00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:08,960 No Da Da rebranded the FanDuel in twenty twenty four, 851 00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:13,960 so the Bally Sports app became the fandual Sports Network app, 852 00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:19,199 which showed the Clippers games. So I have no idea, 853 00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:21,159 like now, I'm just like they just changed the name 854 00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:23,519 of the whole thing. It's a nice example and how 855 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:27,960 acquisitions in the current climate of things are stupid and 856 00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,079 shitty and just really confused the consumer and you don't 857 00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:30,880 really know what you're watching. 858 00:46:32,000 --> 00:46:33,840 Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Maybe you don't even need to 859 00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:38,559 worry about the quiet aspiration fifty million dollars because, let 860 00:46:38,599 --> 00:46:42,000 me tell you, brother, every day there's some stuff going 861 00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,719 on that's a million times worse and should actually be criminal. 862 00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:48,599 Speaker 1: But I was like, I was going crazy. Ricky Chew 863 00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:50,840 was like, oh, that's the Mandila effect, and I was like, 864 00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,039 first of all, it was not the Mandela effect. They 865 00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:58,280 reach the shit was called bally all right. Sorry, I 866 00:46:58,360 --> 00:47:00,599 was on my soapbox knowing at worked cared about this 867 00:47:00,679 --> 00:47:02,719 at all. I work with people who don't watch sports. 868 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,599 No one wanted to hear it. I just thought I 869 00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,679 was going crazy, and I'm happy that it's only a 870 00:47:07,719 --> 00:47:08,679 little bit crazy. 871 00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 3: Can you bet from within the within like your Roku 872 00:47:15,119 --> 00:47:16,159 or streaming device? 873 00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:21,039 Speaker 1: Now, yeah, there's a bull, there's a horrible thing happening where. 874 00:47:21,320 --> 00:47:24,320 Speaker 3: And that's the only thing that that's the only thing 875 00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:24,639 that matter. 876 00:47:25,079 --> 00:47:28,159 Speaker 1: And if you download the app, you can like enhance 877 00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:35,199 your viewing experience with gambling odds. Whoo, okay, Adam. 878 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,039 Speaker 3: Can I place a wager from my TV? 879 00:47:39,000 --> 00:47:41,519 Speaker 1: Can I buy something and place a wager all in 880 00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:45,639 the same ten seconds? I'm winning no matter what? Okay, Adam? 881 00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,119 What DIF did you. 882 00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:52,159 Speaker 2: So earlier as you may have gathered. I went through 883 00:47:52,159 --> 00:47:55,760 the drive through at Alpoil Loco and just got some 884 00:47:55,920 --> 00:47:58,639 chips and walk and I gotta say they're wakam only 885 00:47:58,840 --> 00:48:03,199 very underrated. And I talking about Chipotle's but this is 886 00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:06,199 probably half the price and it also has chunks of 887 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:09,079 avocado in there. And I think it was like three 888 00:48:09,119 --> 00:48:13,519 bucks for chips and balk. It was good too. Is 889 00:48:13,559 --> 00:48:17,960 slept at. 890 00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:22,960 Speaker 1: Chipotle stole everything that does for the most part, had 891 00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:25,280 grills out in front that you could see everything being 892 00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:29,320 cooked and prepared and just like shut up bar for bar. 893 00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:36,159 Speaker 2: They're commercials for the Chipotle commercials are doing too much, 894 00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,679 like to show just how like down to earth they 895 00:48:38,679 --> 00:48:40,639 are really ingred. 896 00:48:41,039 --> 00:48:43,079 Speaker 1: It's awesome people Loco. 897 00:48:43,239 --> 00:48:48,880 Speaker 3: They act chickens and fucking grilling now I live. I 898 00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,440 don't see them bragging about it. You know, they're just 899 00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:53,440 in there making good food. 900 00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:57,119 Speaker 1: Honest work taco bar. I lived around the corner from 901 00:48:57,119 --> 00:49:00,719 an Oyo Logo. Here's a real dirt ball tip Opoyo Loco. 902 00:49:00,960 --> 00:49:03,119 The mashed potatoes and gravy are pretty good. 903 00:49:05,599 --> 00:49:06,039 Speaker 2: And cheese. 904 00:49:08,000 --> 00:49:09,519 Speaker 1: Would you bring that to a barbecue? 905 00:49:10,519 --> 00:49:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah? Man, I think it took forever to get in 906 00:49:13,480 --> 00:49:15,800 the drive through. But then I was like, oh, they're 907 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:19,079 making a new batch for me and it tasted like that. 908 00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:20,960 They said very good. 909 00:49:21,079 --> 00:49:24,880 Speaker 1: They said double a's in line are beacon off? 910 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:28,320 Speaker 3: Did you throw the throw the chips away so you 911 00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:29,519 can just eat it with your finger? 912 00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,320 Speaker 2: I finished them all but left. 913 00:49:34,599 --> 00:49:36,559 Speaker 1: I think so far. If we had a tracker to 914 00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:40,119 count the amount of which hosts have eaten dips off 915 00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:42,519 their finger the most, I think you're in the lead 916 00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:44,199 by infinity. 917 00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:48,199 Speaker 3: Your usage rate on dips eating with finger is gonna 918 00:49:48,199 --> 00:49:49,760 be at like sixty five. 919 00:49:50,519 --> 00:49:58,039 Speaker 1: Yeah, low fifties. It's carb maybe legendary usage. Dream will 920 00:49:58,039 --> 00:50:01,599 would you like to go? Or how where you feeling 921 00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:02,199 on your dip is? 922 00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:06,760 Speaker 3: Here's a closer No, I'll go, uh mine kind of. 923 00:50:07,199 --> 00:50:07,719 It's just not. 924 00:50:07,679 --> 00:50:10,639 Speaker 1: Gonna look very good on camera. Dip is not easy 925 00:50:10,719 --> 00:50:12,320 to make look okay. 926 00:50:12,639 --> 00:50:15,280 Speaker 3: It doesn't look very appetizing, and I apologize for that. 927 00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,400 I should have put this in like a nicer dish. 928 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:22,480 Here's the issue. I made a sort of a bean 929 00:50:22,599 --> 00:50:26,719 dip here realized as I was putting the greens together, 930 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:30,239 I don't have a blender or a food processor, so 931 00:50:30,519 --> 00:50:32,519 I was just gonna have to like mash it up 932 00:50:32,599 --> 00:50:37,000 in something. So that's why, that's why it is amage. 933 00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,360 That's why I went with a plastic container so I 934 00:50:40,360 --> 00:50:44,760 wouldn't like break any of my bowls or anything. But 935 00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:48,239 this is a being. This is a bean dip with 936 00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:53,920 some mayacoba beans that I made earlier today, a delightful 937 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,800 creamy bean just bothos that spot those at the old Vaughns. 938 00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,320 I think it was, you know, three dollars just for 939 00:51:00,400 --> 00:51:03,559 ten pounds or whatever beans cost these days, pretty cheap. 940 00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:08,760 But I cooked those with some aromatics, you know, a 941 00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:12,599 little sorry, little carrot, little onion, no big deal. And 942 00:51:12,639 --> 00:51:15,760 then I took some of the beans and mashed them 943 00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:24,000 up with a little bit of the sesame paste tahinih. 944 00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:27,440 Speaker 1: And sorry like the name. The name. 945 00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,639 Speaker 3: The name was escaping me for a second, along with 946 00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:34,000 some lemon juice, some ancho chili, some coom and some 947 00:51:34,039 --> 00:51:37,119 garlic powder and some fresh s gallions and this way 948 00:51:37,199 --> 00:51:41,039 looking like shit, I feel like it tastes pretty good. 949 00:51:41,079 --> 00:51:44,840 I'm eating it on celery, uh, because I don't have 950 00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:46,079 any chips in the house, but. 951 00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:54,280 Speaker 1: It sounds, it sounds really good. Would you bring it 952 00:51:54,320 --> 00:52:00,320 to a barbecue. That's a big ten four, a big 953 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:04,840 ten for Okay, Hell yeah, that sounds awesome, Chuck. We're 954 00:52:04,880 --> 00:52:06,639 two for two on dips. I hope I can close 955 00:52:06,679 --> 00:52:11,840 this out. So I pulled out a recipe from I 956 00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:16,360 think earlier this off season. I don't know, maybe last 957 00:52:16,400 --> 00:52:21,159 off season. It's called dunk dip. The recipe is I 958 00:52:21,199 --> 00:52:24,000 originally made it with gorgonzola, but I switched that to 959 00:52:24,079 --> 00:52:27,320 blue cheese this time. So the recipe is eight ounces 960 00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:31,159 of cream cheese, eight ounces of blue cheese, a couple 961 00:52:31,199 --> 00:52:34,760 of tablespoons of grated shalat or onion. I went shallet, 962 00:52:35,159 --> 00:52:38,400 a couple of splashes of Worcester Sure, some crystal hot sauce, 963 00:52:38,519 --> 00:52:42,159 and black pepper. This is what it looks like again, 964 00:52:42,239 --> 00:52:44,920 it's a dip. I made it before the show. It 965 00:52:45,000 --> 00:52:47,480 looks like a dip. You know what I'm saying. I'm 966 00:52:47,519 --> 00:52:51,880 eating it with the salt and fresh ground pepper. A 967 00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,639 logo covered because they're not paying us. So when the 968 00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:56,719 check comes, I'll tell you what kind of chipsys are? 969 00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:00,719 Uh what? This is just as good as the gorgan 970 00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:04,039 zola version. I love this dip. I would bring it 971 00:53:04,079 --> 00:53:06,199 to any barbecue I bring it to a funeral, not 972 00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:09,559 the reception. The actual funeral is how much I like this? 973 00:53:09,719 --> 00:53:11,039 How does how. 974 00:53:10,880 --> 00:53:13,079 Speaker 3: Does the remake compared to the original? 975 00:53:13,119 --> 00:53:18,440 Speaker 1: Would you say, I think I like the blue cheese better. 976 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:22,440 Speaker 3: A little bit more, little more, a. 977 00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:26,280 Speaker 1: Little more funk on it. You know. I also realized 978 00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:28,360 about halfway through I don't have an easy way to 979 00:53:28,360 --> 00:53:31,400 mix this, so I was just using a fork. I'm 980 00:53:31,440 --> 00:53:33,760 using my wrist. I listened to a wrist while I 981 00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,039 did it, so it worked out. But three for three 982 00:53:38,079 --> 00:53:40,639 on dips we killed it yet again. 983 00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:45,760 Speaker 3: Whoever told us to stop this segment is rolling over 984 00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:46,400 in their grave. 985 00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:47,679 Speaker 1: I can they're dead. 986 00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:51,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the funeral. Who went to you to eat 987 00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:51,719 these dips? 988 00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:57,760 Speaker 1: Yeah? I said, I'm so sorry for your loss. Can 989 00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:02,599 I interest you in a dip in this trying time? Yeah? 990 00:54:02,679 --> 00:54:05,559 We're killing it. We're doing great. The Clippers are doing great. 991 00:54:05,880 --> 00:54:10,519 Training camp is happening. Everything's great. Next week, probably gonna 992 00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:12,639 do a happy Hour hang because it's gonna be fun 993 00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:18,920 and light will Where could people express I can't think 994 00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:20,760 of the word for it. If there was some kind 995 00:54:20,800 --> 00:54:24,039 of way to rate and express how people felt about 996 00:54:24,039 --> 00:54:24,960 our show. 997 00:54:25,480 --> 00:54:27,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, if you want to rate a review this show. 998 00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:32,000 You could do this over on Apple Podcasts or Spotify. 999 00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:34,920 You know, if you left a little rating review, it 1000 00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:36,960 would definitely help us out. But you can tell us 1001 00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:40,280 what you think about this episode, about every single episode 1002 00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:43,800 over at YouTube dot com. That's at Clippers podcast. Those 1003 00:54:43,880 --> 00:54:47,440 comments are active and they are just waiting for you 1004 00:54:47,840 --> 00:54:53,000 hot comments in your area. Tap in anyways, however you listen, 1005 00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:56,119 however you watch, Thank you so much for checking us out, 1006 00:54:56,760 --> 00:54:59,679 and you know we appreciate you, We really do. 1007 00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:02,159 Speaker 1: I'm going to say a negative thing a little bit, 1008 00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:03,840 and then Adam, we need you to do a positive thing. 1009 00:55:04,079 --> 00:55:11,960 Rip Jane Goodall, Rip hero. I'm sure the chimpanzees are 1010 00:55:12,000 --> 00:55:15,079 upset too. Shout out Jane Goodall. Adam, you're one positive thing. 1011 00:55:17,360 --> 00:55:21,840 Speaker 2: The Clippers heard our frustrations from that Denver Nugget series, 1012 00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:24,519 or you know, Jeff van Gunn, you just had plenty 1013 00:55:24,559 --> 00:55:28,800 of frustrations himself with what happened there in that great 1014 00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:35,639 shirt design, get the F back. We expect transition defense 1015 00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:40,039 to be much better, especially when it counts this season. 1016 00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:43,639 I'm excited and those shirts are amazing. 1017 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:49,159 Speaker 1: Especially when it counts. I would love to see an lol, wtf. Eric. 1018 00:55:49,719 --> 00:55:53,599 Rendition of the get the F back shirts. Also shout 1019 00:55:53,599 --> 00:55:55,840 out Eric. We need to pay you for some new 1020 00:55:55,840 --> 00:55:59,199 background art because we love ours. But it's been a 1021 00:55:59,199 --> 00:56:02,119 minute and Adam Show and it's so slick and new. 1022 00:56:03,119 --> 00:56:07,159 All right, we'll be back next week. Thanks for hanging out. 1023 00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:11,159 Check us out on YouTube, check us out on Twitter, 1024 00:56:11,519 --> 00:56:13,960 and as always, let's go clips.