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Speaker 1: have with us today, former DOOD US Army Military intelligence
Speaker 1: security specialists, the anti terrorism and counterintelligence investigator, author, and
Speaker 1: he's in a brand new documentary based upon his work
Speaker 1: and investigations at the Meadow, the Sole Skinwalker Ranch here
Speaker 1: to discuss it with us. Trey Hudson, Welcome back to
Speaker 1: the show. How's it going with my friend?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's going great. You know, I want to wish
Speaker 2: everybody out there a very very good and happy Thanksgiving,
Speaker 2: and you know, things are doing good. Glad that the
Speaker 2: film finally got out a little kind of teaser as
Speaker 2: I was up at Land between the Lakes about three
Speaker 2: weeks ago filming another documentary with with some you know,
Speaker 2: names of some folks you would people would recognize. So
Speaker 2: you know, I've just been, as they say, I am
Speaker 2: busier than a one legged man at a butt kicking contest.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we've been talking about this documentary for well, you've
Speaker 1: been wanting to do a documentary for a really long
Speaker 1: time since I met you in like twenty twenty. You've
Speaker 1: been one of the footage and we've been talking about
Speaker 1: this footage that you have out there that i'd seen
Speaker 1: at Ufomega Con in pretty sure, it was twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: I was like the end of twenty September twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: and we've been talking about it and talking about it,
Speaker 1: but now we can finally show it, and now it's
Speaker 1: finally in the documentary. So can you give us a
Speaker 1: little bit of background on how this came about and
Speaker 1: how you got involved with Tony Merkle's film production crew
Speaker 1: and how all of it came together.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was you know, it was kind of cool
Speaker 2: because you know, I was, you know, about the time
Speaker 2: you and I met that the Metal Project, the first book,
Speaker 2: was starting to develop a little bit of inertia, you know,
Speaker 2: and I was starting to go around and make these presentations,
Speaker 2: you know, and every time I would make a presentation
Speaker 2: and people would see, you know, the data you know
Speaker 2: and the evidence you know, up on the screen in
Speaker 2: front of them. You know, they were just mesmerized. It's like, oh,
Speaker 2: my goodness, this stuff is fantastic. And so, you know,
Speaker 2: I started receiving more feedback, you know, more positive feedback, yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, and some negative feedback, but that goes that
Speaker 2: goes with the territory. And at that time, my publisher,
Speaker 2: Philip Mantle, was h you know, pulling in some of
Speaker 2: his contacts, and I was doing the the you know,
Speaker 2: the radio circuit, the podcast circuit, and somewhere along that line,
Speaker 2: Tony Merkle uh heard, uh you know, heard of me
Speaker 2: or heard one of the podcast or something, and had
Speaker 2: invited me to come on his show, The Confessionals, and
Speaker 2: I did and it was a very popular episode. You know,
Speaker 2: it was received very well, and the people were, of
Speaker 2: course intrigued by the story, you know, of the meadow
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, at the end of it, while
Speaker 2: we were chit chatting, uh and yeah, I don't know
Speaker 2: if your viewers know this, but after after the show, uh,
Speaker 2: the host and guest chit chat. That's kind of a
Speaker 2: secret show. But you know, we were chit chatting and
Speaker 2: he said, hey, you know, man, I'd love to make
Speaker 2: a movie out of this. Uh, you know, I'm working
Speaker 2: on a film now that I'm trying to get released.
Speaker 2: And that time it was Bigfoot in the Missing Man.
Speaker 2: I didn't know what he was working on. He said,
Speaker 2: I need to get this latest film out. And afterwards,
Speaker 2: you know, let's let's seriously sit down and talk about
Speaker 2: doing a documentary. And you know, I hate to sound jaded,
Speaker 2: but anybody that's been in this business for a while
Speaker 2: and has talked to production companies and all that, you
Speaker 2: hear that all the time, you know, so I thought,
Speaker 2: you know, and forgive me Tony, you know, he and
Speaker 2: I joke about this, but I thought it was another
Speaker 2: he had don't call us, we'll call you kind of things. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I just kind of filed that away of yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, that would be cool if it happened, but
Speaker 2: I'm certainly not holding my breath and dog gone it.
Speaker 2: After Bigfoot in the Missing Man came out, I got
Speaker 2: a phone call from Tony. He says, hey, let's talk
Speaker 2: about this documentary, and we set up filming dates at
Speaker 2: a at a place in Tennessee. There was a cabin
Speaker 2: that was rented and we did a lot of the
Speaker 2: interviewing there and the briefing of the team, you know,
Speaker 2: Joel Thomas, Ward Heine and Caleb Moore and uh and
Speaker 2: then we almost exactly a year ago, we went out
Speaker 2: to the meadow for you know, to actually do the
Speaker 2: h principal photography and some be old stuff. And you know,
Speaker 2: now we have the Other Metal Project, which is a
Speaker 2: feature link film and with a really cool add on
Speaker 2: documentary I got to pitch called The Helm and Lens,
Speaker 2: which I think is equally as cool.
Speaker 1: Where can people watch the documentary really quickly? Just to
Speaker 1: get this out from so, yeah, where can they watch it?
Speaker 2: You can go to www dot Merkle Films and if
Speaker 2: you click on films, it'll come up with a list
Speaker 2: of all of their films that Tony's distributing, and you'll
Speaker 2: see the Metal Project right there. And there's The Metal
Speaker 2: Project the Bare Bones. Then there's The Metal Project a
Speaker 2: bonus pack which has the Metal Project several hours of
Speaker 2: just raw footage that people can review and see if
Speaker 2: they see anything and report it back to us. And
Speaker 2: then of course The Helm and the Lens, which is
Speaker 2: basically our experiments with the infamous god Helmet.
Speaker 1: I really liked the documentary. I thought it was really intriguing,
Speaker 1: especially just the property in and of itself. It's how
Speaker 1: many miles is the meadow in the square miles?
Speaker 2: How much the meadow is about eight acres? It's about
Speaker 2: eight acres, So I mean it's you know, it's a
Speaker 2: big field, but the actual area, you know, of high strangeness,
Speaker 2: And yeah, you and I were talking about the UFO
Speaker 2: footage and some of that other stuff was taken maybe
Speaker 2: five miles from the meadow, so that whole region is
Speaker 2: is kind of freaky and weird. Uh So, yeah, you're
Speaker 2: probably talking about you know, ten square miles of just
Speaker 2: an area right for exploration and you know, tipping sticking
Speaker 2: your toe into the pool of high strangeness.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of different than like a regular standard
Speaker 1: paranormal investigation, you know what I mean, Like a standard
Speaker 1: paranormal investigation is like in a building. It's kind of
Speaker 1: different when you're out exploring the forest, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. It's so vast and so deep, and there's
Speaker 1: a lot of things that are going on in the forest,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot to go over, so you could
Speaker 1: probably spend weeks and weeks and weeks out there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, easily. It's uh, it's an area that's
Speaker 2: so remote and Tony kind of talks about it in
Speaker 2: the narration as he says, you know, we we turned
Speaker 2: off this the hard top road and it was miles
Speaker 2: and miles and miles and miles of dirt roads with
Speaker 2: no cell reception. So I mean, it is way back
Speaker 2: in the middle of nowhere, and you know, it's it
Speaker 2: has some challenges, you know, not only you know, personal
Speaker 2: challenges about your investigating stuff in an area that's completely
Speaker 2: wild and untamed, but there's some logistical challenges you know,
Speaker 2: they go along with it. But you know, that is what,
Speaker 2: in my opinion, really separates you know, the hardcore you know,
Speaker 2: boots on the ground researchers versus people that you know,
Speaker 2: might you know, be dabbling in a little bit. It's uh,
Speaker 2: it's really what separates the uh you know what they say,
Speaker 2: the men from the boys. It's and it's been very rewarding,
Speaker 2: and I think part of the reason for that is
Speaker 2: its extreme remoteness.
Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna have to get into some footage share
Speaker 1: because people always get whenever we whenever the show goes
Speaker 1: on for like thirty minutes and we don't show any footage.
Speaker 1: And the title of the show is what they captured
Speaker 1: in the forest, isn't you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, where's the footage?
Speaker 1: I want to see the footage.
Speaker 2: Oh I've been hearing that for years and folks, I
Speaker 2: am happy to say that it is out there. The
Speaker 2: footage is public now, so I can you know, I
Speaker 2: kind of had to respect you know Mercle Media and
Speaker 2: Dark Collar Studios and not with the footage out there
Speaker 2: before the film was public. But now cry havoc and
Speaker 2: let slip the dogs of war, release the hounds.
Speaker 1: That's right, Trey. We're gonna and we're gonna watch it,
Speaker 1: and it's very I think that it's convincing, evident evidence,
Speaker 1: and it's probably the best evidence that anyone has really
Speaker 1: gotten at this type of location. And Sam has put
Speaker 1: the link to the documentary in the shot here, and
Speaker 1: it's also in the description of the video as well,
Speaker 1: So if you just hit the more button underneath the
Speaker 1: title of the video to pop down, you can click
Speaker 1: on the link there. But I'm getting ready to play
Speaker 1: the portal video. It's around three minutes long. So if
Speaker 1: I could set up a little bit of the portal
Speaker 1: video and exactly what's going on, and there's gonna be
Speaker 1: some talking over it as well, I think that it's
Speaker 1: important for people to watch the entire thing. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: you can get a really good idea of exactly what
Speaker 1: was going on. But if you could set that up, yeah,
Speaker 1: or really quickly before we start to watching, and of
Speaker 1: course we'll talk during it as well, but you'll just
Speaker 1: get a little run on before we start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's at February of twenty seventeen. We had had
Speaker 2: teams stepped down in the meadow and another team on
Speaker 2: top of the ridge, which I was a part of
Speaker 2: the ridge team, and we had one member of the
Speaker 2: team on the ridge. I noticed a box or a
Speaker 2: cube in the meadow and he described it as a
Speaker 2: by the size of a telephone or communications interface box
Speaker 2: on the side of the road. When we finally got
Speaker 2: the thermal back to me, it had disappeared, so, you know,
Speaker 2: we kind of blew that off. You know, maybe it
Speaker 2: was a misidentification. When we dropped down in the meadow,
Speaker 2: we started hearing our other teams saying that they were
Speaker 2: picking up these cubes or boxes in different parts of
Speaker 2: the meadow on their thermals. You know, it would show up, dissipate,
Speaker 2: show up, dispate, dissipate show up. And we started vectoring
Speaker 2: over to the team that was having this activity, and
Speaker 2: by the time we got there, the boxor cube dissipated
Speaker 2: and they decided they were going to vector us to
Speaker 2: the area where the cube or box was. Now, this
Speaker 2: is a forest in February and no leaves, you know,
Speaker 2: it's completely bare and you'll see that in the reconstruction video.
Speaker 2: And so we dispatched a team to the area of
Speaker 2: where the Boxer cube was and as they passed what
Speaker 2: was the threshold, their thermal signatures completely disappeared. I mean completely,
Speaker 2: And there's nothing out there large enough to obscure the
Speaker 2: thermal signatures of three or four people. You know, there's
Speaker 2: not a tree out there that big, there's not a
Speaker 2: mound of dirt, there's nothing that would obscure it. And
Speaker 2: the individuals when they went in, they said that the
Speaker 2: area was colder than the surroundings. It was very dark
Speaker 2: and very still, like being inside of a black velvet bag,
Speaker 2: you know, like with blackout curtains. And they didn't have
Speaker 2: any encumbrances going in. They just walked in. But then
Speaker 2: when they came back out after about ninety seconds the
Speaker 2: two minutes, they started encountering brambles and briers, you know,
Speaker 2: having to fight their way back out that weren't there
Speaker 2: when they went in. So it was like there were
Speaker 2: two realities existing at the same time. And it gets
Speaker 2: even weirder, you know, when we start doing analysis that's
Speaker 2: not in the film, and I'll talk about that after
Speaker 2: we watch this, that ties into some pretty remarkable stuff
Speaker 2: that came out of some quantum analysis of some footage.
Speaker 2: So here we go.
Speaker 1: Let's start it out. Halt.
Speaker 3: You're right on the edge, but it is fadeing away.
Speaker 1: So about how far is this person away from where
Speaker 1: the where they are?
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're probably about maybe forty meters the forty yards
Speaker 2: fifty yards, so not very far. No, no, no, And
Speaker 2: you can see how bright their thermal signature is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, very brain. I've used some thermal imaging cameras before
Speaker 1: and they're very strong and very powerful.
Speaker 2: They just disappear. Yeah, no, I'm looking at the aformost
Speaker 2: signature there.
Speaker 3: You were directly on it, but it has faded almost
Speaker 3: the way.
Speaker 4: It's gone.
Speaker 3: That's completely faded away. Now it's gone.
Speaker 2: Now we had two at two operators. Uh, the male
Speaker 2: was watching through one thermal. The female is the one
Speaker 2: actually recording this. And now they're completely gone.
Speaker 3: They're gone.
Speaker 1: He just walked into nothing, right, So they.
Speaker 4: Are they are into the woodline.
Speaker 1: Now he's picking them up.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And the thing about the woodline is that it kind
Speaker 1: of goes up at an angle, right yeah, Yeah, there's
Speaker 1: nothing that could block them from seeing the signature on
Speaker 1: the thermal.
Speaker 2: No, and that's what you'll see in the recreation is
Speaker 2: there's a ridge that actually goes up right behind the flatness,
Speaker 2: you know of the meadow. And you know, as much
Speaker 2: as we tried during the recreation, we could not come
Speaker 2: up with a situation where we could completely obliterate the
Speaker 2: heat signature of multiple people. It just wasn't possible. And
Speaker 2: what's interesting is near the end of this, you're going
Speaker 2: to see the camera pan to the right and there's
Speaker 2: a small group of trees and you'll hear the female
Speaker 2: operator say who or what is that? And she's recording
Speaker 2: the heat signatures of two entities I'm going to use
Speaker 2: that loose term about three or four feet high. Now
Speaker 2: they're coming out. Yeah, you see, it's almost like they
Speaker 2: just kind of pop back into existence. Okay, Now look
Speaker 2: at the right. You can see those signatures right there
Speaker 2: on the right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it looks like a very dark man standing right here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's the white the white heat signature you're
Speaker 2: looking for right now.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's right in the about the center.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, now, who is what is that? All right there?
Speaker 3: They are look at what is their team for?
Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I see them three three, Team three. What
Speaker 1: is your location really far? It looks like that they're
Speaker 1: further away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they're behind actually a small group of trees.
Speaker 2: And uh, you hear him querying Group number three. Team three,
Speaker 2: you know, where are you making sure? They hadn't left
Speaker 2: station and they're picking up their heat signatures, but Team
Speaker 2: three had not moved. What's interesting is right before we
Speaker 2: had dropped down into the meadow and worked our way
Speaker 2: over to this team, and you have this video also
Speaker 2: is we saw in the meadow some heat signatures that
Speaker 2: were man sized I'm gonna say six feet tall, you know,
Speaker 2: one point seventy five meters tall, maybe half a meter wide.
Speaker 2: That was tall, short, tall, short, tall, short tall, And
Speaker 2: then it splits into two and then disappears. Not long
Speaker 2: after that, we see these two entities over here that
Speaker 2: are two heat signatures of a small statue something or
Speaker 2: other that does not correspond with the known location of
Speaker 2: any of our team members. Now, I gotta remember we
Speaker 2: had this is an open field, so nobody's just gonna
Speaker 2: be able to walk into us without us knowing about it.
Speaker 2: But yet we had these two things watching us as
Speaker 2: we're filming our team going into Yeah, I'm gonna say
Speaker 2: the P word. You know, what we think is a portal.
Speaker 2: And I used the word portal because it's an easy word.
Speaker 2: It's a gateway, a doorway into another reality, another state
Speaker 2: of being. And you know, quite frankly, I think that's
Speaker 2: what happened to these guys, is they you know, they
Speaker 2: walked into something that wasn't here. You know, call it
Speaker 2: the upside down. You know, that's a popular term right now.
Speaker 2: The scary thing is of the four people that went
Speaker 2: into that that box, only two are still left alive.
Speaker 1: And they developed some sort of cancer.
Speaker 2: Is that cool? Yeah? One individual had had prostate cancer
Speaker 2: and remission for years and years and years, and it
Speaker 2: came back with a vengeance. Not long after this, another
Speaker 2: individual who was a former Army ranger power after you know,
Speaker 2: just a really you know, strong, robust guy, uh, died
Speaker 2: unexpectedly with a pulmonary not an embolism, uh, pulmonary a
Speaker 2: demo and just out of the blue started Uh. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm not going to go into it's kind of graphic,
Speaker 2: but he died very suddenly in a very graphic and
Speaker 2: horrible way.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: I was one of the people that went into that,
Speaker 2: and now I've developed uh plaquoriasis, which is an autoimmune disorder.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's correlation causality. I'm not saying that,
Speaker 2: you know, I'm not saying this caused it. But I
Speaker 2: think it's interesting that the people that have gone into
Speaker 2: that thing, you know, two of them are dead. I'm left.
Speaker 2: I've got some health issues that are tied to autoimmune.
Speaker 2: You know Gary Nolan, the uh doctor Gary Nolan talks
Speaker 2: about people that have had encounters the high strang its
Speaker 2: developing autoimmune disorders. Now I have something associated with autoimmune
Speaker 2: and uh, it just you know, kind of makes you wonder.
Speaker 1: Wait, so you were one of the people that Yeah,
Speaker 1: you were one of the three people four people.
Speaker 2: Yeah, total of four. We actually had to uh two
Speaker 2: instances where we went into it. You know, the one
Speaker 2: team went in, came out, and then another separate team
Speaker 2: went in. That was that that wasn't recorded, But yeah,
Speaker 2: we had several teams that went in, and I was
Speaker 2: of a total four people went in. Half of them
Speaker 2: are dead and I'm one of the ones obviously still alive.
Speaker 1: Wow, what is uh is the other person that went in?
Speaker 1: Is he experiencing anything.
Speaker 2: Darryl, not that I know of. You know, he hasn't
Speaker 2: mentioned anything strange. Uh. Now, the uh, the photography cinematographer,
Speaker 2: the Fleer operator, she's developed some uh you know, some
Speaker 2: health issues that's kind of unexplained, and she kind of
Speaker 2: goes into that in the film. Yeah, she's being interviewed that,
Speaker 2: you know, several of us have just kind of weird
Speaker 2: health things that have popped up, you know, after this encounter.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's watch the raw one more time, just so
Speaker 1: in case people missed it and missed exactly what was
Speaker 1: going on, and you'll watch the recreation because of course
Speaker 1: there's going to be dowters. There's going to be people
Speaker 1: that said that they just you know, walked in behind
Speaker 1: a bunch of trees and the wasn't able to pick
Speaker 1: it up. But they did a recreation of it, and
Speaker 1: it's a I think that it's impossible for three people
Speaker 1: to just go missing on Flear footage in the woods.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: Now if this was again, if this wasn't a house,
Speaker 1: that's a different story because you know, Flear can't like
Speaker 1: some of the Flear camera like the military has Flear
Speaker 1: cameras that can see through walls, through rows of houses
Speaker 1: from helicopters and stuff. But a regular flear camera that
Speaker 1: you're going to get up that's not military grade can't
Speaker 1: see through, you know, walls and houses. So it's not
Speaker 1: like they went around a corner in a house and
Speaker 1: they're on the other side of a wall. There is
Speaker 1: no wall here. So let's just rewatch this part again
Speaker 1: and when they disappeared and then they re emerge, and
Speaker 1: then we'll watch the recreation.
Speaker 3: It's completely fight away now.
Speaker 4: It's going, what is one of them right up under it?
Speaker 1: See this looks like two people have kind of disappeared,
Speaker 1: because you don't see one on there right now, that
Speaker 1: one signature, So it seems like two people went in
Speaker 1: right first and then boom, gone gone. And he was
Speaker 1: just standing there for a minute, and then he took
Speaker 1: like one step in he was gone. He wasn't moving around,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like he was walking up the
Speaker 1: little ridge there or up the little hill there. He wasn't.
Speaker 1: He was standing still, and then he took one stop
Speaker 1: and then he was essentially gone or maybe two steps
Speaker 1: or three steps.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is they and you hit on the
Speaker 2: abruptness of the of the being obscured, you know from
Speaker 2: the thermal It's it's like there was a linear delineation
Speaker 2: and if you're on one side of that delineation, you're visible.
Speaker 2: If you're on the other side, you're not. And what
Speaker 2: were they describing, you know, before you know this film
Speaker 2: was done, is they were describing a box with very
Speaker 2: distinct vertical, you know, delineation, and as soon as you
Speaker 2: stepped you know, past that delineation, your heats signature is
Speaker 2: completely obliterated.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what it seems like because that person was
Speaker 1: not moving. The two the two seemed like that they
Speaker 1: were moving and then they disappeared, but it wasn't. And
Speaker 1: then the one person was just standing there and then boom,
Speaker 1: right here they just come out of nowhere and you
Speaker 1: can see them emerging. Yeah, you can see them kind
Speaker 1: of like almost rematerializing, almost see see that what guy
Speaker 1: is coming out?
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you say, how bright their heat signature is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, immediately bright like that. Like if it was really
Speaker 1: far in a distance, like this entity is right here,
Speaker 1: it would it would come in to focus more at
Speaker 1: the closer that the entity or the person got to
Speaker 1: the Fleer camera, right, so it looked like a dot
Speaker 1: or a spec further away, and then as they got closer,
Speaker 1: it would shape more and get more defined.
Speaker 2: And you see in the heat signature you're looking at
Speaker 2: now in that little group of trees that's kind of
Speaker 2: broken up because that's looking through bulliage in trees, but
Speaker 2: their heat signature wasn't broken up, was like and then
Speaker 2: completely gone.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, now, let's watch the recreation here because
Speaker 1: I think this is you know, really proves what was
Speaker 1: going on.
Speaker 2: And forgive me for the jerkiness of their creation. I
Speaker 2: was trying to run two pieces of equipment at the
Speaker 2: same time, so it was a little challenging with two tripods,
Speaker 2: So just to forgive me on that. Yeah, And you
Speaker 2: notice that the team will be approaching a bunch of
Speaker 2: bushes and they deliberately go behind that, and even when
Speaker 2: they go behind that thick vegetation, you still can see
Speaker 2: their heat signature. And this was during the day, and
Speaker 2: so their heat signature should have been able to be
Speaker 2: obscured easier because the ambient temperature is closer to the
Speaker 2: temperature of the human body. But we were not able
Speaker 2: to completely obliterate and you can see how wide open
Speaker 2: that is. And that was taken during the same time
Speaker 2: of year that the original box video or portal video
Speaker 2: was taken. And you can see how sparse vegetation is
Speaker 2: there in the background as it goes up the ridge.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how far would they have to walk up the
Speaker 1: ridge in order to disappear off of the fleot Okay,
Speaker 1: so you can see right here, they would have to
Speaker 1: walk up this little ridge here.
Speaker 2: Oh and even if.
Speaker 1: The camera was you know, it would be almost impossible
Speaker 1: for three people to walk in the straight line up
Speaker 1: this ridge right being covered by one tree.
Speaker 2: Right, you know, and one of the larger trees you
Speaker 2: see is if you look to the left, you'll see
Speaker 2: a downed tree. And just to the left of that
Speaker 2: down tree, you'll see a vertical tree. That's one of
Speaker 2: the larger trees, you know, on the edge of the meadow,
Speaker 2: on the north end of the meadow. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you had basically two guys get real real friendly
Speaker 2: with one another and bunch up behind it, like you said,
Speaker 2: stacked on one another, yeah, you could hide behind that tree.
Speaker 2: But three people, you know there, it's just not going
Speaker 2: to happen. And you know something else is, you know,
Speaker 2: we have the affidavits from everybody there there was no chicanery,
Speaker 2: There was no trickery. You know, these were just you know,
Speaker 2: people experiencing something very extraordinary.
Speaker 1: So how long do you think that it would take
Speaker 1: to get let's say that this was the frame right,
Speaker 1: this was the frame that it was on. The camera
Speaker 1: didn't move. How long do you think that it would
Speaker 1: take the walk to the bottom of this redge right
Speaker 1: here to completely get out of frame of this camera.
Speaker 2: Well, just past where the individuals are now behind them,
Speaker 2: there's like a swampy area, so they would have to
Speaker 2: fight their way through that swamp and then they would
Speaker 2: hit the bottom of the ridge and it would probably
Speaker 2: take you maybe five ten minutes because that's pretty steep
Speaker 2: to fight your way up that ridge.
Speaker 1: So basically impossible in the amount of time. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was running for them to get out of frame
Speaker 1: of the camera.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it would have to be perfect.
Speaker 2: You know, they couldn't slip, they couldn't step to one
Speaker 2: side or the other. It would have to be a perfect,
Speaker 2: highly coordinated, you know effort between not only the individuals
Speaker 2: but the cinematographer. And you know, so this was actually
Speaker 2: this this footage was featured on the Discovery channel and
Speaker 2: was sent to three separate analysts, and the best the
Speaker 2: analytic because analysts could come up with was inconclusive. Is
Speaker 2: you know, they couldn't detect any hoaxing that they really
Speaker 2: don't know what happened that caused the heat signature of
Speaker 2: the individuals to disappear.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm trying to rack my brain too, and I
Speaker 1: was trying to rack it ever since that I've seen
Speaker 1: this footage in twenty twenty and there's not any good
Speaker 1: real explanation as to what happened right now whenever they
Speaker 1: were inside of this let's you know, call it a portal,
Speaker 1: or when they disappeared what did they say happened in
Speaker 1: what was around ninety seconds, but that they disappeared off
Speaker 1: of the fleer. It happened in the ninety seconds that
Speaker 1: we can.
Speaker 2: And we had this. Uh we actually did a video
Speaker 2: after action review that night right after this happened. And
Speaker 2: that's the transcript of that is in my first book.
Speaker 2: And they talk about going into this thing and they,
Speaker 2: like I said, they walked in unencumbered. You know, they
Speaker 2: just walked in without any difficulty. The temperature dropped, which
Speaker 2: is very important. It was like it was like the
Speaker 2: environment was different. It was like they were inside of
Speaker 2: a black bag or a inside of blackout curtains, you know,
Speaker 2: like you would have in the theater. You know, it
Speaker 2: was like very dark, you know, like they were inside
Speaker 2: of some sort of dark encapsulation. They couldn't see the sky,
Speaker 2: they couldn't see anything around them, was completely dark, very quiet,
Speaker 2: and you know, they just felt a sense of stillness.
Speaker 2: Then they turned around and came back. You know, discretion
Speaker 2: was the better part of Valors, so they decided to
Speaker 2: work their way back out, and when they did, they started,
Speaker 2: you know, running into branches and brambles that were not
Speaker 2: there when they took the same route going in that
Speaker 2: they took out. So it's like the world was different
Speaker 2: inside of this little bubble, but instead of being a bubble,
Speaker 2: it was a cube, and the world started shifting back
Speaker 2: to the normal reality, you know, right there in the
Speaker 2: edge of the meadow when they came back out. So
Speaker 2: it's like you had two quantum realities existing, except but
Speaker 2: not on a quantum scale, on a macro scale. And
Speaker 2: you know, that's not the first time that happened that
Speaker 2: we've had, you know, two realities existing at the same
Speaker 2: time in the meadow, and I go back to the
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen episode of you know, one of our team
Speaker 2: members being seen turn into a ball of energy, you know,
Speaker 2: and travel you know, tens of yards, you know, in
Speaker 2: a few seconds. And then when the thermal was brought
Speaker 2: back on him, he turned back into a man's size
Speaker 2: heat signature, but he had no recollection of moving that
Speaker 2: distance at that speed. His recollection was he just walked
Speaker 2: over there normally. So it's like two realities existing at
Speaker 2: the same time at the same place. So, you know,
Speaker 2: in my book, I call that kind of cool.
Speaker 1: You know, it's definitely really interesting. So did whenever they
Speaker 1: went into this thing, into this other reality or went
Speaker 1: through this portal, did they realize that something had changed means?
Speaker 1: And then they were like, we got to get out
Speaker 1: of this. Let's turn around and go back the exact
Speaker 1: same way.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we were concerned about, right, And I don't
Speaker 2: mean to make this sound melodramatic, so forgive me if
Speaker 2: it sounds like it. But you know, one of the
Speaker 2: things that we were joking about when we were approaching
Speaker 2: that thing is who had the larger life insurance policy
Speaker 2: and whose families could survive longer if we didn't come
Speaker 2: back out. You know, I don't mean to make a
Speaker 2: sound heroic and everything. It's just something we were kind
Speaker 2: of joking about because we really didn't know what was
Speaker 2: on the other side of that vertical you know, that
Speaker 2: imaginary vertical line that the other team had described. You know,
Speaker 2: that was the edge of the box. And you know,
Speaker 2: we kind of in the back of our mind is like,
Speaker 2: you know, what if we don't come back out, you know,
Speaker 2: and maybe that wasn't you know, looking back when in retrospect,
Speaker 2: you know, we probably shouldn't have done that without some
Speaker 2: protocols in place, you know, safety protocols, But yet we
Speaker 2: did it anyway. And I was going to say, we
Speaker 2: lived a tale of tale some of us lived, so
Speaker 2: you know, there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very similar to what people describe when they
Speaker 1: have survived the missing For one one stuff, it's the
Speaker 1: same type of thing they that they talked about when
Speaker 1: they would shift into this completely different reality. Things were
Speaker 1: very disorienting. They didn't know where they were. It was
Speaker 1: like the environment had completely changed, like they were in
Speaker 1: a separate reality. And then the people that survived managed
Speaker 1: to get out of that separate reality in some kind
Speaker 1: of way. I really think that the survivors of the
Speaker 1: so called missing for one one or some of the
Speaker 1: most interesting ones, because it gives an idea of exactly
Speaker 1: what was going on, and you can talk to the
Speaker 1: person and be like, hey, what exactly happened? And that
Speaker 1: gives you an idea of what might have happened to
Speaker 1: the people that didn't survive.
Speaker 2: Right, And you know, it probably wouldn't surprise you that
Speaker 2: this is within about fifty miles of one of those
Speaker 2: clusters that David Polid's you know, has come up with.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it is very very because whenever I seen this,
Speaker 1: I was like, holy crap, what is what is this?
Speaker 1: What is it? And I was like, wow, this is
Speaker 1: incredible footage. But we have some other footage here. We
Speaker 1: have a figure that you were talking about earlier, that
Speaker 1: the Bob's Zoom figure. This is the entity that kind
Speaker 1: of splits into two right them, there's two of them. Now,
Speaker 1: that's not the that's not the enhanced foot example. Enhanced
Speaker 1: that was just the raws watched the one more.
Speaker 2: Time and that was pretty much in the location where Daryl,
Speaker 2: who was the original person, we were sitting very high
Speaker 2: up on a ridge looking down, and that's in the
Speaker 2: same location where Daryl had said he saw a box
Speaker 2: on his thermal, you know, a cube sitting in the meadow,
Speaker 2: and then Bob picked up these whatever these are h
Speaker 2: on his thermal in the same area. So you know,
Speaker 2: are the cubes used for perhaps transportation, you know, a
Speaker 2: way that you know, something can move from one realm
Speaker 2: to another. Uh, you know, makes you wonder.
Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And here we have the enhanced version that
Speaker 1: you get a better idea of what exactly is going
Speaker 1: on here. Boom split in the two that's wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And not long after that, the two heat signatures
Speaker 2: that did not correspond with any team members were seen
Speaker 2: in the small group of trees about forty yards from
Speaker 2: where we were filming or the team was filming the
Speaker 2: box video portal video. So you know, are these the
Speaker 2: things that walked over there? And were they observing us
Speaker 2: as we you know, entered into the cube. So I
Speaker 2: don't know it would make sense.
Speaker 1: Whereabouts was this taken in the meadow?
Speaker 2: That was taken on the extreme west end of the meadow,
Speaker 2: so it was probably uh, i'd say maybe four hundred
Speaker 2: feet west of where the cube was four or five
Speaker 2: hundred feet.
Speaker 1: And Bob took this footage. Yeah, Bob Wilson, and he's
Speaker 1: the one that went into the portal and yeah, passed away.
Speaker 2: You remember meeting Bob there in Laughlin.
Speaker 1: Yeah, this one is super fascinating. Didn't you guys have
Speaker 1: one with They had like a some kind of big
Speaker 1: footage as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we had one. It was uh, once again Bob.
Speaker 2: He recorded a heat signature that was actually colder than
Speaker 2: the surroundings. And it was like a large, hulking figure
Speaker 2: with a head basically sitting right on his shoulders, with
Speaker 2: these long, kind of sinewy arms, just kind of standing there,
Speaker 2: you know, in the woodline, doing this back and forth.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is that it was colder than the surroundings,
Speaker 2: which doesn't make sense for a hot blooded creature. And
Speaker 2: we've been in other locations away from the meadow where
Speaker 2: likewise we have filmed uh, you know, cryptids, you know,
Speaker 2: bigfoot like creatures that are colder than the ambient surroundings,
Speaker 2: which does not make sense for any kind of primate,
Speaker 2: but it does make sense for something that might be
Speaker 2: winking in and out of existence.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what I really liked about the documentary was
Speaker 1: one of the individuals in the documentaries thought that he
Speaker 1: had seen.
Speaker 2: Oh don't get don't give it away, don't give the
Speaker 2: ending away, Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, but it was yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 1: I mean, I just kind of like that aspect of
Speaker 1: it because it's like, you know, there's something that because
Speaker 1: I've had things like that happen to me before that
Speaker 1: has been very devastating and detrimental.
Speaker 2: Yeah to me, you know, yeah, what I thought was interesting,
Speaker 2: and you know, I was I was not expecting it
Speaker 2: at all. And I'll just I'm going to put this
Speaker 2: little teaser out there for everybody, is somebody saw something
Speaker 2: that turned out not to be what they thought it was,
Speaker 2: and I'll just leave it at that. But yet, the Meadow,
Speaker 2: in true Meadow fashion, has a way of letting you
Speaker 2: know that it's still in the game. Whatever the entity
Speaker 2: or entities are that are affiliated or associated with the
Speaker 2: Meadow have a way of letting you know that they're
Speaker 2: still here, you know, and they're not going to let
Speaker 2: you get away without knowing that. So I'll just I'll
Speaker 2: throw that out there.
Speaker 1: Yes, We'll leave it at that. And I also have
Speaker 1: some other footage of UAP. Now, yeah, this was captured
Speaker 1: more recently, right, I think you sent this to me
Speaker 1: separate from the other ones from.
Speaker 2: A couple of years. Yeah, I did. That was to do.
Speaker 2: That was in February of twenty one. Place. Yeah, a
Speaker 2: place called Stephen's Lake and that's the that's the cover name.
Speaker 2: That's not the real name of the place, but it's uh,
Speaker 2: it's probably about four miles from the meadow, and you know,
Speaker 2: we had set up a SkyWatch in that area and
Speaker 2: they caught these, uh, these really interesting UAPs. And you know,
Speaker 2: if you'll play it, I'll just kind of walk people
Speaker 2: through it. Yeah, and uh, I'll take a look at it.
Speaker 2: So we're looking at what we're looking at of these
Speaker 2: two flashing lights, which you see are kind of in
Speaker 2: the upper uh upper part and then right above the
Speaker 2: tree line. These lights were so stationary that I originally
Speaker 2: thought they were antennas that I for some reason had
Speaker 2: not noticed, you know, on all the years I've been
Speaker 2: going there. But they're very slowly dropping down below the horizon,
Speaker 2: moving at a forty five degree angle to right below
Speaker 2: the horizon, and they're blinking on and off. Now, I
Speaker 2: had a set of ten X binoculars when this was
Speaker 2: taken with a psionics on night vision camera. But I
Speaker 2: had a pair of ten X binoculars, and when you
Speaker 2: look at each individual blinking light, it's actually a series
Speaker 2: of two lights next to one another, blinking on off,
Speaker 2: on off, on off, And the weird thing about it
Speaker 2: is you can see they're slowly dropping below the horizon.
Speaker 2: We had been seeing aircraft all evening and so we
Speaker 2: were very familiar with, uh, you know, the the navigation
Speaker 2: and has anti collision lights on an aircraft, you know,
Speaker 2: the greener red navigation lights, the white marker strobes on
Speaker 2: the wingtips, the red anti collision light you know, on
Speaker 2: the underside and upper side of an aircraft. And through
Speaker 2: the ten X binoculars, none of those other beacons were observable.
Speaker 2: There were just a series of white flight lights, almost
Speaker 2: like headlights you know, in the in the sky, just
Speaker 2: blinking on and all. And so I'm also a moof
Speaker 2: on field investigator, and so I, you know, put on
Speaker 2: my movef on if I had and I did a
Speaker 2: bit an analysis of this, and I could not find
Speaker 2: any air traffic that corresponded. I knew the exact latitude
Speaker 2: and longitude of my location. I took a compass out
Speaker 2: and I shot a direct asthmuth of exactly where these were,
Speaker 2: so I knew, you know, exactly where they were, how
Speaker 2: many degrees above the horizon. And I could find no
Speaker 2: corresponding air traffic. I could not find any corresponding light
Speaker 2: pattern of a known aircraft that did not have the
Speaker 2: anti collision rotating beacon or the the green and red
Speaker 2: navigation lights. And so you know, I've got some friends
Speaker 2: in mof on that are you taking a look at
Speaker 2: this to see if they can maybe decipher exactly what
Speaker 2: it was we saw. And it's interesting to note that
Speaker 2: this area, uh there are this region has a very
Speaker 2: very rich history of a UFO and UFP sidings h
Speaker 2: So you know, this just falls right in with the
Speaker 2: history of the area.
Speaker 1: So no satellites. This couldn't be satellites because sometimes I
Speaker 1: you know, people think that it's a UFO and it's
Speaker 1: really a satellite or kind of aircraft. But you're right,
Speaker 1: whenever you're looking through military grade night vision goggles and
Speaker 1: something that's blinking multiple different lights, then it's definitely an aircraft.
Speaker 1: But we can just be blinking one solid light.
Speaker 2: Well, and on a satellite, what you're actually seeing is
Speaker 2: as a satellite moves across the sky horizon to horizon.
Speaker 2: And what's interesting is these appeared high in the sky
Speaker 2: and drop below the horizon, where if a satellite or
Speaker 2: aircraft is approaching you, it will start below the horizon,
Speaker 2: come above you, and then drop on the horizon behind you.
Speaker 2: And these just appeared up in the sky, just all
Speaker 2: of a sudden, appeared out of nowhere and then drop
Speaker 2: below the horizon. A satellite as it moves from horizon
Speaker 2: to horizon is usually a steady light because it's reflecting
Speaker 2: sunlight off the body of the satellite. It doesn't actually
Speaker 2: have a strobe or a blinking light on it. Uh. Now,
Speaker 2: sometimes you'll get it as it rotates, you might get
Speaker 2: like an a arrhythium flare or something. But uh, you know,
Speaker 2: these lights were constant, you know, like they were they
Speaker 2: were engineered and had a purpose to blink at that
Speaker 2: particular rate. Now what that purpose is I really don't know,
Speaker 2: but uh it was one, you know. And I just
Speaker 2: put this out there for people, you know, when I
Speaker 2: go and give the lecture, I say, this is what
Speaker 2: I saw. You know, these are the tools I used
Speaker 2: to uh try to figure out what it was. You know,
Speaker 2: I looked at all the air traffic in that region.
Speaker 2: You know, nothing corresponded, you know at that uh that
Speaker 2: you know that particular place. It was moving unlike stars,
Speaker 2: because you can see the stars are stationary and uh so,
Speaker 2: you know, I just have to put this up as unidentified,
Speaker 2: which is what an unidentified a flying object is.
Speaker 1: It's really interesting. It almost looks like some stranger things,
Speaker 1: stuff like whenever she would put up the the lights
Speaker 1: to communicate with the upside down and all the lights
Speaker 1: going off right, it kind of seems.
Speaker 2: Like And what I thought was still weird about that
Speaker 2: is that the two things stayed constantly constant distance between
Speaker 2: one another. You know, they just moved in tandem, you
Speaker 2: slowly below the horizon and then disappeared.
Speaker 1: How long were you out there filming those?
Speaker 2: Uh? You know, I filmed them for about five or
Speaker 2: six minutes until they dropped below the horizon. But, like
Speaker 2: I said, what really brought it to my attentions. I'm
Speaker 2: sitting there, you know, with my camera and everything set up,
Speaker 2: and what we were originally looking for were flashes or
Speaker 2: orbs above the lake because there had been a lot
Speaker 2: of reports of flashes of lights and deep in the
Speaker 2: forest and orbs. And then you know, I looked at
Speaker 2: I see these blinking lights of like, well, that's kind
Speaker 2: of weird. I don't remember there being a you know,
Speaker 2: a tall radio antenna, you know, in all these years,
Speaker 2: I've never noticed that. That's strange. And then you know,
Speaker 2: the more I sat there and I watched, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: that seems to be moving. So I moved my camera
Speaker 2: up and actually, you know, started recording and you know,
Speaker 2: you know, much like I thought, they you know, slowly moved,
Speaker 2: you know, down below the horizon. So I you know,
Speaker 2: that's just a big question mark.
Speaker 1: Does anybody live on this property or are there any
Speaker 1: on the property?
Speaker 2: No, No, it's a it is a public nature preserve,
Speaker 2: so there are no there's no private property here. It's
Speaker 2: there's nobody that lives there.
Speaker 1: Was this Native American land that I.
Speaker 2: Won't tell you. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, mm hmm.
Speaker 1: That's really interesting. Is there any other type of history
Speaker 1: that went on here?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that that area has a very rich history of conflict,
Speaker 2: you know, between primarily between Native American tribes, and there
Speaker 2: was some conflict between US forces and settlers and Native
Speaker 2: American tribes and I'm not going to go into the
Speaker 2: history because that will get the location away. But yeah,
Speaker 2: there's there's a history conflict. You go back and you
Speaker 2: look at the folkloric history of this area. You know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of old ghost stories, there's stories of
Speaker 2: wild men in the woods, which was a way that
Speaker 2: the early reporters used to describe Bigfoot as families of
Speaker 2: wild men. And then of course UAPs and UFOs and
Speaker 2: uh so you know, and encryptids, So yes, kind of
Speaker 2: you know. The model I use is if you see
Speaker 2: an area that has a rich history of UFOs, a
Speaker 2: rich history folkloric history of ghost stories, and of a
Speaker 2: rich history of reports of cryptids, and you see a
Speaker 2: concentration that's somewhere where you probably got to look, you're
Speaker 2: more likely than not find some really strange stuff going
Speaker 2: on there.
Speaker 1: How close is the closest town to this Is it
Speaker 1: kind of far away?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's about fifteen or twenty miles, depending on
Speaker 2: what route you take, so it takes you about forty
Speaker 2: minutes fifty minutes to get into town.
Speaker 1: So what would this area be used for if there's
Speaker 1: like do people go up there in camp?
Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, camping, hunting, you know, logging, you know,
Speaker 2: the entity that owns this property, you know, we'll issue
Speaker 2: out timber consignments, you know, to companies, so they'll come
Speaker 2: in there and log it every once in a while.
Speaker 2: So it's you know, it's basically an area for public use,
Speaker 2: which is a very wide, you know, wide umbrella public
Speaker 2: being not only you know, you and me going out
Speaker 2: there to camp, but also you know, natural resources like
Speaker 2: logging and things like that.
Speaker 1: Have you guys had any like hitchhiker effect stuff going on?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Your investigation team have you experienced.
Speaker 2: Yeah, some of the strangest stuff. And I'm going to
Speaker 2: try to look up these photographs while I'm talking to you.
Speaker 2: Probably the strangest thing that happened to me is not
Speaker 2: too far from where I'm sitting right now, maybe only
Speaker 2: thirty five yards is I was out toodling around one
Speaker 2: day and there's a place that I can't get grass
Speaker 2: to grow. And I looked down at the ground and
Speaker 2: there were a series of canine tracks. And the canine tracks,
Speaker 2: you know, were kind of interesting, But what really made
Speaker 2: them stand out is they were six inches in diameter.
Speaker 2: Now that's larger than you know, one of the largest
Speaker 2: wolves in North America. That's more like di dire wolf
Speaker 2: kind of stuff. You know, huge canine tracks of six
Speaker 2: inches just you know, a few yards from my back door.
Speaker 2: And what gets even stranger is these canine tracks start
Speaker 2: at a very distinctive place and then end at a
Speaker 2: very distinctive place. So it's a finite track line, and
Speaker 2: the track line looks almost bipedal. And what's you know
Speaker 2: where you start throwing kind of a twist into that
Speaker 2: is you go back and you look at some of
Speaker 2: the accounts of people that have encountered other things in
Speaker 2: areas of high strange and it's like Skinwalker ranch is
Speaker 2: they talk about large canine type creatures not only seen
Speaker 2: at the ranch, but following them home. There was a
Speaker 2: case of one of the original Knids investigators National Institute
Speaker 2: for Discovery Science going back home in Virginia and in
Speaker 2: his suburban Virginia backyard, his family reported seeing large upright canines.
Speaker 2: And you also go back and look at like Marley Woods,
Speaker 2: and the people that you know research Marley Woods and
Speaker 2: the people that live in that area talk about seeing
Speaker 2: large upright canines. And so there seems to be some
Speaker 2: sort of nexus between dog men. And I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: use that term because it's you know, bipedal and has
Speaker 2: feet like a dog. Uh, you know, and these instances
Speaker 2: of high strangeness. And I'm trying to find the picture
Speaker 2: of the track line because it's it's pretty cool. Oh
Speaker 2: there we go. Okay, I'm gonna show first, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: show a picture of the track and this is a
Speaker 2: six inch forensic rule that I keep in my camera bag.
Speaker 2: So i'm gonna see if y'all can see that.
Speaker 1: That's a big print.
Speaker 2: That's a big print. Now i'm gonna show you the
Speaker 2: track line, and that's a thirty six inch rule. M
Speaker 2: So it starts in a very distinctive place and ends
Speaker 2: in a very distinctive place. And my dog is a
Speaker 2: ninety five pound boxer mix, so he's a he's a
Speaker 2: big boy, and his prints aren't nearly as deep and
Speaker 2: as large as those.
Speaker 1: I'd have to come from like a really big.
Speaker 2: A big animal, big animal. Yeah, yeah, so you know
Speaker 2: that you take that into account with, you know, like
Speaker 2: the giant wolf being seen at the Sherman ranch when
Speaker 2: it was owned by the Shermans and they shot at
Speaker 2: it and the thirty out six you had no effect
Speaker 2: on this large wolf type creature they saw. And then
Speaker 2: you go back to the NIZZ investigator when Bigelow owned
Speaker 2: the place, you know, seeing these large canines in the backyard. Uh.
Speaker 2: And then you have my account and then you go
Speaker 2: up to like land between the lakes and all the
Speaker 2: very rich uh you know folklore of uh, you know,
Speaker 2: a large canine type bipedal creature up there. You know
Speaker 2: there's something about these uh, these these bipedal canines and
Speaker 2: high strangeness. You know, now, is it an avatar? Is
Speaker 2: it a uh you know, a arc type you know
Speaker 2: that is in our collective consciousness. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 2: but there seems to be a uh, you know, some
Speaker 2: sort of correlation. And that's the kind of you know,
Speaker 2: hitchhiker stuff that I've had. Now in my second book,
Speaker 2: I talk about uh one of our team members who
Speaker 2: after the portal incident, she started having dreams of orbs
Speaker 2: coming into her room. Now, we're lucky enough to have
Speaker 2: a a psychotherapist on our staff where the anomo studies
Speaker 2: an observation group, and he he took her and put
Speaker 2: her under a hypnotic regression. You know you're thinking, I
Speaker 2: think Bud Hopkins and John Mack kind of stuff. So
Speaker 2: he put her under hypnotic regression, and what came out
Speaker 2: of that is these these things would come in through
Speaker 2: her window and would grab her feet, and then she
Speaker 2: had a large entity standing next to her by the
Speaker 2: bed trying to pull her off the bed. And she
Speaker 2: would wake up with marks on her body, like scratches
Speaker 2: and actual marks, and the entity that stood above her bed.
Speaker 2: She recounts it as being like an witch or an
Speaker 2: old woman, which is interesting because you go back into
Speaker 2: the folklore and you hear about the folklore of the
Speaker 2: old crone, and a really good example of that is
Speaker 2: a Russian folklore of Bobba Yaga, you know, the witch
Speaker 2: who lives in the woods in a house on chicken legs.
Speaker 2: You know, she was the archetypical you know, old crone,
Speaker 2: you know of the forest. So you know that was
Speaker 2: actually happening at her house, so you know, she had
Speaker 2: something follow her home. So and we've had other filmmakers
Speaker 2: come out there that refuse to come back to the
Speaker 2: meadow because things have followed them. Absolutely, yes, you know,
Speaker 2: the Hitchhocker effect is live and well at the meadow.
Speaker 2: Oh you're all mute.
Speaker 1: And do that once at least once for.
Speaker 2: Sure, that's fine.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It sounds very similar to a lot of the other
Speaker 1: ranches and a lot of other experiences that people have
Speaker 1: claimed to have happened, you know, sort of like White
Speaker 1: Katie Page, the Colorado Ranch and oh absolutely, well have
Speaker 1: you know explained with you know, Skinwalker Ranch. Now, I
Speaker 1: don't know how big I am on regression. Do you
Speaker 1: think regression is real?
Speaker 2: I don't think it's real. In the fact that your
Speaker 2: hypnosis has been used to help people remember things that
Speaker 2: they have forgotten and don't even think about, you know,
Speaker 2: you know, UFOs and all of that stuff. They just
Speaker 2: think about people that have been an accident or have
Speaker 2: had traumatic events that their brain has put a block
Speaker 2: in front of them to protect, you know, their psyche
Speaker 2: from post traumatic stress syndrome or you know, something like that,
Speaker 2: and through hypnotic aggression, they've been able to pull that,
Speaker 2: you know, pull those memories back out, put them into
Speaker 2: the forefront, and help people deal with that trauma.
Speaker 3: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, hypnotic progression has has been invaluable you know,
Speaker 2: in psychiatric active treatment of individuals who have gone through
Speaker 2: trauma or other very meaningful events. So you know, you
Speaker 2: take that and you look at it through the optics of,
Speaker 2: you know, would it be beneficial through somebody who went
Speaker 2: through a traumatic event, you know, the abduction phenomena. You know,
Speaker 2: I have to take it on face value. There are
Speaker 2: people that, you know, we count these experiences. There are
Speaker 2: people that you know, have some sort of you know,
Speaker 2: anecdotal evidence of these experiences. So I can't just discount
Speaker 2: them completely. And it's so widespread, So you know, I think,
Speaker 2: you know, I have to put some value in hypnotic
Speaker 2: progression or else we wouldn't have used it, you know,
Speaker 2: as one of the tools in our toolbox.
Speaker 1: I just feel like whenever there's money involved, like people
Speaker 1: will just do They'll just say whatever you want them
Speaker 1: to say. Right, Like if you had a if you
Speaker 1: wanted to get a regression because you thought that you
Speaker 1: were abducted by aliens, right, alien regressionists, and they're going
Speaker 1: to tell you that you were abducted by aliens. That's
Speaker 1: essentially what you're paying them to do. Right, Because you
Speaker 1: felt like that you were abducted by aliens and you
Speaker 1: went to an alien abductionist, regressionist and then they told
Speaker 1: you that you were abducted by aliens. So it's like
Speaker 1: this this money transfer thing and any can it's exactly
Speaker 1: like kind of what you talked about in one of
Speaker 1: our very first shows that we ever did. And I've
Speaker 1: used this a lot when talking about things like this,
Speaker 1: Like if you take a paranormal investigator to go investigate
Speaker 1: the paranormal, then they're nine times out of ten they're
Speaker 1: going to find the paranormal, right right. You take a
Speaker 1: bigfoot investigator out to that exact same place, then nine
Speaker 1: times out of ten they're going to come back and
Speaker 1: say that is bigfoot.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: If you take a UFO investigator out to that exact
Speaker 1: same place, then guess what they're going to come back with.
Speaker 1: They're going to come back and say that it's aliens,
Speaker 1: right right. So our preconceived notions a big role in
Speaker 1: a lot of this stuff. So it almost seems like
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're into is whatever it is
Speaker 1: that you're going to find.
Speaker 2: And that's something we are very careful about, you know,
Speaker 2: And are we perfect with it? No, we're not perfect,
Speaker 2: but we try very hard not to front load our
Speaker 2: experiences and our hypnotherapist is a licensed professional counselor you know,
Speaker 2: a psychoanalyst, and he does this for a living, but
Speaker 2: not not with a UFO centric focus or anything of
Speaker 2: that on his practice. And we went with these hypnotic regressions,
Speaker 2: hypnotic regressions with the idea of just let it go
Speaker 2: where it goes. You know, if it turns out to
Speaker 2: be absolutely nothing, hey, fine, that's that's absolutely cool. If
Speaker 2: it turns out to be something, then maybe it's another
Speaker 2: piece of the puzzle. Uh. And we did not go
Speaker 2: in to these particular this particular regression, you know, with
Speaker 2: the idea of an abduction phenomena. But yet you know,
Speaker 2: as it you know, as it matured, you know, the uh,
Speaker 2: the series of regressions, it starts to look like that.
Speaker 2: Now am I saying that's what it was. That's not
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But you know the old analogy. If
Speaker 2: it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck,
Speaker 2: you know, and has web feet, it might very well
Speaker 2: be a duck. So you know, people can take that,
Speaker 2: you know, with a grain of salt and do with
Speaker 2: it what they will. I think you're muted again, And I.
Speaker 1: Got a lot of stuff going on in the background,
Speaker 1: people are preparing for dinner. So I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that they're that no extra noise comes through.
Speaker 1: That's just my personal opinion on you know, regression. That's
Speaker 1: just what I that I believe on regression. I think,
Speaker 1: if you know, people are being paid to do something,
Speaker 1: then they're going to end up finding that thing that
Speaker 1: they're ready to do, regardless if it actually happened or not.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that everybody does that because regression
Speaker 1: has been used for a really long time in a
Speaker 1: therapeutical sense.
Speaker 2: In our in our therapist is pro bono. You know,
Speaker 2: he's part of our team, so he you know, noting
Speaker 2: no money exchanges hands.
Speaker 1: Good. That's good to hear. It's actually really good to
Speaker 1: hear it because, like I said, bro, like, if if
Speaker 1: you're going to it an alien abduction regressionists and you're
Speaker 1: paying that alien reduction regressionists three hundred dollars, yeah, like
Speaker 1: they're going to tell you that, Yeah, you you saw
Speaker 1: the Grays, you were abducted, you were on the ship,
Speaker 1: you got hybrid children. They milked your milk, your seed,
Speaker 1: or took you you know what I mean, took your
Speaker 1: eggs and you had all this stuff going on, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah. He actually our guy actually loses money because you know,
Speaker 2: our folks are in his office taking up his time,
Speaker 2: you know, where you could have paying patience. So yeah,
Speaker 2: that's that's a good That's a very good point though,
Speaker 2: is you know people will you know, they want to
Speaker 2: give you know, if you pay for a steak, they
Speaker 2: don't want to give you hamburger. They want to give
Speaker 2: you a steak.
Speaker 1: That's right. Yeah, could you imagine like that that's the
Speaker 1: way that it worked, Like if you just you know,
Speaker 1: you're you're paying for a service and then you got
Speaker 1: a completely different service.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well Tray, thanks so much for coming on. Brother.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, wow, that went by quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I went by really quickly. The uh yeah, we're
Speaker 1: kind of we're doing Thanksgiving dinner early this year, so
Speaker 1: we're not doing it on Thanksgiving, so we're doing it today.
Speaker 1: That's why I got my sweater on man things sweater.
Speaker 2: I thought you dressed up for me.
Speaker 1: Maybe I did, Maybe I did. Maybe some train things
Speaker 1: seem to align. Synchronicities all coming to the other right now,
Speaker 1: could you let people know where they can find your
Speaker 1: books and where they can watch the documentary one more time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, you can go to my uh my, my
Speaker 2: personal web page. That's Trey Hudson Research dot com and
Speaker 2: they have the links to everything on there. But I'll
Speaker 2: break the links down individually. Book number one The Metal
Speaker 2: Project and book number two Return to the Meadow or
Speaker 2: both on Amazon dot com. You just type my name
Speaker 2: Trey Hudson into the search bar and those books will
Speaker 2: pop up there, available in all the formats. The film,
Speaker 2: both The Metal Project and the add on documentary Helm
Speaker 2: and Lens are available at Merklefilms dot com and just
Speaker 2: click on that and there that's there for purchase. I'm
Speaker 2: really happy with the film. Everybody that's seen it, you know,
Speaker 2: uh you know, really really seem to like it. So,
Speaker 2: you know, I just ask that people, uh you go
Speaker 2: out there and take a look at these and I
Speaker 2: always recommend people if they the full Meadow Project experience
Speaker 2: is read both the books and see the film and
Speaker 2: you'll get a much more uh you know, depth of
Speaker 2: understanding of exactly what we're dealing there, and you're you're
Speaker 2: you know, buying these films and books helps us with
Speaker 2: the research because we're completely self.
Speaker 1: Funded, absolutely always try and tell people to support independent
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Speaker 1: have all this backing and stuff, because it's the only
Speaker 1: way that we can continue to go forward. So whenever
Speaker 1: I bring people on that are making movies, whenever I'm
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Speaker 1: So the link is in the description to watch the
Speaker 1: documentary and highly recommended. It is a really good experience.
Speaker 1: Highly enjoyed it. And in the footage. Some of the
Speaker 1: footage that we showed today is in the documentary, not
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