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<v Speaker 1>Welcome back to Raise by Giants Live discussion. Good to

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<v Speaker 1>see everyone. Welcome everyone in the chat and any moderators

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<v Speaker 1>and channel members out there. And if you're watching on

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<v Speaker 1>only or the replay, welcome to the show. Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us. Really appreciate it. My social media links are

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<v Speaker 1>in the descriptions. Links to watch my documentaries on Amazon

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<v Speaker 1>Prime and tob are also in the description. Currently in

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<v Speaker 1>the process of making my next documentary, Psychic Agent, and

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<v Speaker 1>hopefully it'll be on in a few months and release

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<v Speaker 1>stun Amazon Prime and Apple TV Plus. Also, I was

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<v Speaker 1>made aware that Wayne Steiger's wife was involved in a

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<v Speaker 1>car accident a few weeks back and has been going

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<v Speaker 1>through physical therapy. So thoughts and energy with Linn and

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<v Speaker 1>Wayne through these times and that she makes a full

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<v Speaker 1>and complete recovery. Wayne has always been really good to

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<v Speaker 1>me and I consider him a really good friend. So

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<v Speaker 1>if we can have his wife Lynn, if we can

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<v Speaker 1>put our thoughts and send her some recovering energy, because

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<v Speaker 1>I know that we can, and I know that remote

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<v Speaker 1>healing is very possible, so if we could do that,

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<v Speaker 1>that would be really great. But with that down we

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<v Speaker 1>have with us today, former DOOD US Army Military intelligence

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<v Speaker 1>security specialists, the anti terrorism and counterintelligence investigator, author, and

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<v Speaker 1>he's in a brand new documentary based upon his work

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<v Speaker 1>and investigations at the Meadow, the Sole Skinwalker Ranch here

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss it with us. Trey Hudson, Welcome back to

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<v Speaker 1>the show. How's it going with my friend?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's going great. You know, I want to wish

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<v Speaker 2>everybody out there a very very good and happy Thanksgiving,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, things are doing good. Glad that the

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<v Speaker 2>film finally got out a little kind of teaser as

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<v Speaker 2>I was up at Land between the Lakes about three

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<v Speaker 2>weeks ago filming another documentary with with some you know,

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<v Speaker 2>names of some folks you would people would recognize. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I've just been, as they say, I am

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<v Speaker 2>busier than a one legged man at a butt kicking contest.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we've been talking about this documentary for well, you've

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<v Speaker 1>been wanting to do a documentary for a really long

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<v Speaker 1>time since I met you in like twenty twenty. You've

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<v Speaker 1>been one of the footage and we've been talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this footage that you have out there that i'd seen

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<v Speaker 1>at Ufomega Con in pretty sure, it was twenty twenty.

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<v Speaker 1>I was like the end of twenty September twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>and we've been talking about it and talking about it,

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<v Speaker 1>but now we can finally show it, and now it's

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<v Speaker 1>finally in the documentary. So can you give us a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit of background on how this came about and

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<v Speaker 1>how you got involved with Tony Merkle's film production crew

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<v Speaker 1>and how all of it came together.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it was you know, it was kind of cool

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<v Speaker 2>because you know, I was, you know, about the time

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<v Speaker 2>you and I met that the Metal Project, the first book,

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<v Speaker 2>was starting to develop a little bit of inertia, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>and I was starting to go around and make these presentations,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and every time I would make a presentation

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<v Speaker 2>and people would see, you know, the data you know

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<v Speaker 2>and the evidence you know, up on the screen in

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<v Speaker 2>front of them. You know, they were just mesmerized. It's like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>my goodness, this stuff is fantastic. And so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I started receiving more feedback, you know, more positive feedback, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and some negative feedback, but that goes that

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<v Speaker 2>goes with the territory. And at that time, my publisher,

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<v Speaker 2>Philip Mantle, was h you know, pulling in some of

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<v Speaker 2>his contacts, and I was doing the the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>the radio circuit, the podcast circuit, and somewhere along that line,

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Merkle uh heard, uh you know, heard of me

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<v Speaker 2>or heard one of the podcast or something, and had

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<v Speaker 2>invited me to come on his show, The Confessionals, and

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<v Speaker 2>I did and it was a very popular episode. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>it was received very well, and the people were, of

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<v Speaker 2>course intrigued by the story, you know, of the meadow

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, you know, at the end of it, while

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<v Speaker 2>we were chit chatting, uh and yeah, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>if your viewers know this, but after after the show, uh,

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<v Speaker 2>the host and guest chit chat. That's kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>secret show. But you know, we were chit chatting and

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<v Speaker 2>he said, hey, you know, man, I'd love to make

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<v Speaker 2>a movie out of this. Uh, you know, I'm working

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<v Speaker 2>on a film now that I'm trying to get released.

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<v Speaker 2>And that time it was Bigfoot in the Missing Man.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't know what he was working on. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>I need to get this latest film out. And afterwards,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, let's let's seriously sit down and talk about

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<v Speaker 2>doing a documentary. And you know, I hate to sound jaded,

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<v Speaker 2>but anybody that's been in this business for a while

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<v Speaker 2>and has talked to production companies and all that, you

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<v Speaker 2>hear that all the time, you know, so I thought,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, and forgive me Tony, you know, he and

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<v Speaker 2>I joke about this, but I thought it was another

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<v Speaker 2>he had don't call us, we'll call you kind of things. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just kind of filed that away of yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that would be cool if it happened, but

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<v Speaker 2>I'm certainly not holding my breath and dog gone it.

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<v Speaker 2>After Bigfoot in the Missing Man came out, I got

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<v Speaker 2>a phone call from Tony. He says, hey, let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about this documentary, and we set up filming dates at

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<v Speaker 2>a at a place in Tennessee. There was a cabin

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<v Speaker 2>that was rented and we did a lot of the

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<v Speaker 2>interviewing there and the briefing of the team, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Joel Thomas, Ward Heine and Caleb Moore and uh and

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<v Speaker 2>then we almost exactly a year ago, we went out

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<v Speaker 2>to the meadow for you know, to actually do the

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<v Speaker 2>h principal photography and some be old stuff. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>now we have the Other Metal Project, which is a

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<v Speaker 2>feature link film and with a really cool add on

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<v Speaker 2>documentary I got to pitch called The Helm and Lens,

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<v Speaker 2>which I think is equally as cool.

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<v Speaker 1>Where can people watch the documentary really quickly? Just to

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<v Speaker 1>get this out from so, yeah, where can they watch it?

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<v Speaker 2>You can go to www dot Merkle Films and if

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<v Speaker 2>you click on films, it'll come up with a list

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<v Speaker 2>of all of their films that Tony's distributing, and you'll

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<v Speaker 2>see the Metal Project right there. And there's The Metal

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<v Speaker 2>Project the Bare Bones. Then there's The Metal Project a

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<v Speaker 2>bonus pack which has the Metal Project several hours of

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<v Speaker 2>just raw footage that people can review and see if

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<v Speaker 2>they see anything and report it back to us. And

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<v Speaker 2>then of course The Helm and the Lens, which is

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<v Speaker 2>basically our experiments with the infamous god Helmet.

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<v Speaker 1>I really liked the documentary. I thought it was really intriguing,

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<v Speaker 1>especially just the property in and of itself. It's how

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<v Speaker 1>many miles is the meadow in the square miles?

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<v Speaker 2>How much the meadow is about eight acres? It's about

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<v Speaker 2>eight acres, So I mean it's you know, it's a

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<v Speaker 2>big field, but the actual area, you know, of high strangeness,

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you and I were talking about the UFO

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<v Speaker 2>footage and some of that other stuff was taken maybe

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<v Speaker 2>five miles from the meadow, so that whole region is

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<v Speaker 2>is kind of freaky and weird. Uh So, yeah, you're

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<v Speaker 2>probably talking about you know, ten square miles of just

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<v Speaker 2>an area right for exploration and you know, tipping sticking

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<v Speaker 2>your toe into the pool of high strangeness.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of different than like a regular standard

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<v Speaker 1>paranormal investigation, you know what I mean, Like a standard

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<v Speaker 1>paranormal investigation is like in a building. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>different when you're out exploring the forest, you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean. It's so vast and so deep, and there's

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of things that are going on in the forest,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's a lot to go over, so you could

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<v Speaker 1>probably spend weeks and weeks and weeks out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, oh yeah, easily. It's uh, it's an area that's

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<v Speaker 2>so remote and Tony kind of talks about it in

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<v Speaker 2>the narration as he says, you know, we we turned

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<v Speaker 2>off this the hard top road and it was miles

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<v Speaker 2>and miles and miles and miles of dirt roads with

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<v Speaker 2>no cell reception. So I mean, it is way back

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<v Speaker 2>in the middle of nowhere, and you know, it's it

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<v Speaker 2>has some challenges, you know, not only you know, personal

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<v Speaker 2>challenges about your investigating stuff in an area that's completely

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<v Speaker 2>wild and untamed, but there's some logistical challenges you know,

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<v Speaker 2>they go along with it. But you know, that is what,

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<v Speaker 2>in my opinion, really separates you know, the hardcore you know,

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<v Speaker 2>boots on the ground researchers versus people that you know,

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<v Speaker 2>might you know, be dabbling in a little bit. It's uh,

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<v Speaker 2>it's really what separates the uh you know what they say,

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<v Speaker 2>the men from the boys. It's and it's been very rewarding,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think part of the reason for that is

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<v Speaker 2>its extreme remoteness.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, we're gonna have to get into some footage share

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<v Speaker 1>because people always get whenever we whenever the show goes

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<v Speaker 1>on for like thirty minutes and we don't show any footage.

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<v Speaker 1>And the title of the show is what they captured

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<v Speaker 1>in the forest, isn't you know what I mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, where's the footage?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to see the footage.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh I've been hearing that for years and folks, I

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<v Speaker 2>am happy to say that it is out there. The

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<v Speaker 2>footage is public now, so I can you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of had to respect you know Mercle Media and

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<v Speaker 2>Dark Collar Studios and not with the footage out there

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<v Speaker 2>before the film was public. But now cry havoc and

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<v Speaker 2>let slip the dogs of war, release the hounds.

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<v Speaker 1>That's right, Trey. We're gonna and we're gonna watch it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's very I think that it's convincing, evident evidence,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's probably the best evidence that anyone has really

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<v Speaker 1>gotten at this type of location. And Sam has put

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<v Speaker 1>the link to the documentary in the shot here, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's also in the description of the video as well,

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<v Speaker 1>So if you just hit the more button underneath the

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<v Speaker 1>title of the video to pop down, you can click

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<v Speaker 1>on the link there. But I'm getting ready to play

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<v Speaker 1>the portal video. It's around three minutes long. So if

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<v Speaker 1>I could set up a little bit of the portal

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<v Speaker 1>video and exactly what's going on, and there's gonna be

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<v Speaker 1>some talking over it as well, I think that it's

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<v Speaker 1>important for people to watch the entire thing. Yeah, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can get a really good idea of exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>was going on. But if you could set that up, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>or really quickly before we start to watching, and of

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<v Speaker 1>course we'll talk during it as well, but you'll just

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<v Speaker 1>get a little run on before we start.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's at February of twenty seventeen. We had had

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<v Speaker 2>teams stepped down in the meadow and another team on

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<v Speaker 2>the ridge team, and we had one member of the

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<v Speaker 2>team on the ridge. I noticed a box or a

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<v Speaker 2>cube in the meadow and he described it as a

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<v Speaker 2>by the size of a telephone or communications interface box

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<v Speaker 2>on the side of the road. When we finally got

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<v Speaker 2>the thermal back to me, it had disappeared, so, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of blew that off. You know, maybe it

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<v Speaker 2>was a misidentification. When we dropped down in the meadow,

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<v Speaker 2>we started hearing our other teams saying that they were

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<v Speaker 2>picking up these cubes or boxes in different parts of

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<v Speaker 2>the meadow on their thermals. You know, it would show up, dissipate,

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<v Speaker 2>over to the team that was having this activity, and

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<v Speaker 2>by the time we got there, the boxor cube dissipated

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<v Speaker 2>and they decided they were going to vector us to

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<v Speaker 2>the area where the cube or box was. Now, this

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<v Speaker 2>is a forest in February and no leaves, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it's completely bare and you'll see that in the reconstruction video.

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<v Speaker 2>And so we dispatched a team to the area of

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<v Speaker 2>was the threshold, their thermal signatures completely disappeared. I mean completely,

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<v Speaker 2>And there's nothing out there large enough to obscure the

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<v Speaker 2>thermal signatures of three or four people. You know, there's

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<v Speaker 2>mound of dirt, there's nothing that would obscure it. And

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<v Speaker 2>the individuals when they went in, they said that the

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<v Speaker 2>area was colder than the surroundings. It was very dark

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<v Speaker 2>and very still, like being inside of a black velvet bag,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like with blackout curtains. And they didn't have

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<v Speaker 2>any encumbrances going in. They just walked in. But then

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<v Speaker 2>when they came back out after about ninety seconds the

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<v Speaker 2>two minutes, they started encountering brambles and briers, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>having to fight their way back out that weren't there

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<v Speaker 2>when they went in. So it was like there were

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<v Speaker 2>two realities existing at the same time. And it gets

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<v Speaker 2>even weirder, you know, when we start doing analysis that's

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<v Speaker 2>not in the film, and I'll talk about that after

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<v Speaker 2>we watch this, that ties into some pretty remarkable stuff

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<v Speaker 2>that came out of some quantum analysis of some footage.

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<v Speaker 2>So here we go.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's start it out. Halt.

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<v Speaker 3>You're right on the edge, but it is fadeing away.

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<v Speaker 1>So about how far is this person away from where

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<v Speaker 1>the where they are?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they're probably about maybe forty meters the forty yards

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<v Speaker 2>fifty yards, so not very far. No, no, no, And

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<v Speaker 2>you can see how bright their thermal signature is.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, very brain. I've used some thermal imaging cameras before

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<v Speaker 1>and they're very strong and very powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>They just disappear. Yeah, no, I'm looking at the aformost

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<v Speaker 2>signature there.

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<v Speaker 3>You were directly on it, but it has faded almost

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<v Speaker 3>the way.

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<v Speaker 4>It's gone.

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<v Speaker 3>That's completely faded away. Now it's gone.

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<v Speaker 2>Now we had two at two operators. Uh, the male

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<v Speaker 2>was watching through one thermal. The female is the one

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<v Speaker 2>actually recording this. And now they're completely gone.

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<v Speaker 3>They're gone.

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<v Speaker 1>He just walked into nothing, right, So they.

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<v Speaker 4>Are they are into the woodline.

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<v Speaker 1>Now he's picking them up.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And the thing about the woodline is that it kind

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<v Speaker 1>of goes up at an angle, right yeah, Yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing that could block them from seeing the signature on

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<v Speaker 1>the thermal.

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<v Speaker 2>No, and that's what you'll see in the recreation is

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<v Speaker 2>there's a ridge that actually goes up right behind the flatness,

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<v Speaker 2>you know of the meadow. And you know, as much

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<v Speaker 2>as we tried during the recreation, we could not come

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<v Speaker 2>up with a situation where we could completely obliterate the

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<v Speaker 2>heat signature of multiple people. It just wasn't possible. And

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<v Speaker 2>what's interesting is near the end of this, you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to see the camera pan to the right and there's

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<v Speaker 2>a small group of trees and you'll hear the female

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<v Speaker 2>operator say who or what is that? And she's recording

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<v Speaker 2>the heat signatures of two entities I'm going to use

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<v Speaker 2>that loose term about three or four feet high. Now

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<v Speaker 2>they're coming out. Yeah, you see, it's almost like they

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of pop back into existence. Okay, Now look

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<v Speaker 2>at the right. You can see those signatures right there

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<v Speaker 2>on the right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it looks like a very dark man standing right here.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's the white the white heat signature you're

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<v Speaker 2>looking for right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, that's right in the about the center.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, well, now, who is what is that? All right there?

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<v Speaker 3>They are look at what is their team for?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh? Yeah, I see them three three, Team three. What

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<v Speaker 1>is your location really far? It looks like that they're

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<v Speaker 1>further away.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're behind actually a small group of trees.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, you hear him querying Group number three. Team three,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, where are you making sure? They hadn't left

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<v Speaker 2>station and they're picking up their heat signatures, but Team

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<v Speaker 2>three had not moved. What's interesting is right before we

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<v Speaker 2>had dropped down into the meadow and worked our way

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<v Speaker 2>over to this team, and you have this video also

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<v Speaker 2>is we saw in the meadow some heat signatures that

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<v Speaker 2>were man sized I'm gonna say six feet tall, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one point seventy five meters tall, maybe half a meter wide.

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<v Speaker 2>That was tall, short, tall, short, tall, short tall, And

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<v Speaker 2>then it splits into two and then disappears. Not long

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<v Speaker 2>after that, we see these two entities over here that

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<v Speaker 2>are two heat signatures of a small statue something or

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<v Speaker 2>other that does not correspond with the known location of

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<v Speaker 2>any of our team members. Now, I gotta remember we

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<v Speaker 2>had this is an open field, so nobody's just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>be able to walk into us without us knowing about it.

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<v Speaker 2>But yet we had these two things watching us as

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<v Speaker 2>we're filming our team going into Yeah, I'm gonna say

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<v Speaker 2>the P word. You know, what we think is a portal.

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<v Speaker 2>And I used the word portal because it's an easy word.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a gateway, a doorway into another reality, another state

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<v Speaker 2>of being. And you know, quite frankly, I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>what happened to these guys, is they you know, they

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<v Speaker 2>walked into something that wasn't here. You know, call it

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<v Speaker 2>the upside down. You know, that's a popular term right now.

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<v Speaker 2>The scary thing is of the four people that went

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<v Speaker 2>into that that box, only two are still left alive.

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<v Speaker 1>And they developed some sort of cancer.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that cool? Yeah? One individual had had prostate cancer

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<v Speaker 2>and remission for years and years and years, and it

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<v Speaker 2>came back with a vengeance. Not long after this, another

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<v Speaker 2>individual who was a former Army ranger power after you know,

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<v Speaker 2>just a really you know, strong, robust guy, uh, died

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<v Speaker 2>unexpectedly with a pulmonary not an embolism, uh, pulmonary a

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<v Speaker 2>demo and just out of the blue started Uh. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not going to go into it's kind of graphic,

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<v Speaker 2>but he died very suddenly in a very graphic and

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<v Speaker 2>horrible way.

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<v Speaker 4>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>I was one of the people that went into that,

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<v Speaker 2>and now I've developed uh plaquoriasis, which is an autoimmune disorder.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, it's correlation causality. I'm not saying that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm not saying this caused it. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think it's interesting that the people that have gone into

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<v Speaker 2>that thing, you know, two of them are dead. I'm left.

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<v Speaker 2>I've got some health issues that are tied to autoimmune.

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<v Speaker 2>You know Gary Nolan, the uh doctor Gary Nolan talks

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<v Speaker 2>about people that have had encounters the high strang its

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<v Speaker 2>developing autoimmune disorders. Now I have something associated with autoimmune

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<v Speaker 2>and uh, it just you know, kind of makes you wonder.

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<v Speaker 1>Wait, so you were one of the people that Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you were one of the three people four people.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, total of four. We actually had to uh two

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<v Speaker 2>instances where we went into it. You know, the one

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<v Speaker 2>team went in, came out, and then another separate team

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<v Speaker 2>went in. That was that that wasn't recorded, But yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we had several teams that went in, and I was

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<v Speaker 2>of a total four people went in. Half of them

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<v Speaker 2>are dead and I'm one of the ones obviously still alive.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, what is uh is the other person that went in?

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<v Speaker 1>Is he experiencing anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Darryl, not that I know of. You know, he hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned anything strange. Uh. Now, the uh, the photography cinematographer,

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<v Speaker 2>the Fleer operator, she's developed some uh you know, some

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<v Speaker 2>health issues that's kind of unexplained, and she kind of

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<v Speaker 2>goes into that in the film. Yeah, she's being interviewed that,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, several of us have just kind of weird

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<v Speaker 2>health things that have popped up, you know, after this encounter.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, let's watch the raw one more time, just so

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<v Speaker 1>in case people missed it and missed exactly what was

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<v Speaker 1>going on, and you'll watch the recreation because of course

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<v Speaker 1>there's going to be dowters. There's going to be people

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<v Speaker 1>that said that they just you know, walked in behind

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<v Speaker 1>a bunch of trees and the wasn't able to pick

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<v Speaker 1>it up. But they did a recreation of it, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a I think that it's impossible for three people

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<v Speaker 1>to just go missing on Flear footage in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Now if this was again, if this wasn't a house,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a different story because you know, Flear can't like

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<v Speaker 1>some of the Flear camera like the military has Flear

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<v Speaker 1>cameras that can see through walls, through rows of houses

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<v Speaker 1>from helicopters and stuff. But a regular flear camera that

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to get up that's not military grade can't

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<v Speaker 1>see through, you know, walls and houses. So it's not

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<v Speaker 1>like they went around a corner in a house and

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<v Speaker 1>they're on the other side of a wall. There is

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<v Speaker 1>no wall here. So let's just rewatch this part again

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<v Speaker 1>and when they disappeared and then they re emerge, and

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<v Speaker 3>It's completely fight away now.

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<v Speaker 4>It's going, what is one of them right up under it?

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<v Speaker 1>See this looks like two people have kind of disappeared,

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<v Speaker 1>because you don't see one on there right now, that

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<v Speaker 1>one signature, So it seems like two people went in

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<v Speaker 1>right first and then boom, gone gone. And he was

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<v Speaker 1>just standing there for a minute, and then he took

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<v Speaker 1>like one step in he was gone. He wasn't moving around,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not like he was walking up the

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<v Speaker 1>little ridge there or up the little hill there. He wasn't.

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<v Speaker 1>He was standing still, and then he took one stop

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was essentially gone or maybe two steps

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<v Speaker 1>or three steps.

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<v Speaker 2>And what's interesting is they and you hit on the

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<v Speaker 2>abruptness of the of the being obscured, you know from

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<v Speaker 2>the thermal It's it's like there was a linear delineation

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<v Speaker 2>and if you're on one side of that delineation, you're visible.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're on the other side, you're not. And what

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<v Speaker 2>were they describing, you know, before you know this film

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<v Speaker 2>was done, is they were describing a box with very

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<v Speaker 2>distinct vertical, you know, delineation, and as soon as you

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<v Speaker 2>stepped you know, past that delineation, your heats signature is

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<v Speaker 2>completely obliterated.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what it seems like because that person was

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<v Speaker 1>not moving. The two the two seemed like that they

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<v Speaker 1>were moving and then they disappeared, but it wasn't. And

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<v Speaker 1>then the one person was just standing there and then boom,

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<v Speaker 1>right here they just come out of nowhere and you

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<v Speaker 1>can see them emerging. Yeah, you can see them kind

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<v Speaker 1>of like almost rematerializing, almost see see that what guy

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<v Speaker 1>is coming out?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you say, how bright their heat signature is?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, immediately bright like that. Like if it was really

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<v Speaker 1>far in a distance, like this entity is right here,

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<v Speaker 1>it would it would come in to focus more at

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<v Speaker 1>the closer that the entity or the person got to

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<v Speaker 1>the Fleer camera, right, so it looked like a dot

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<v Speaker 1>or a spec further away, and then as they got closer,

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<v Speaker 1>it would shape more and get more defined.

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<v Speaker 2>And you see in the heat signature you're looking at

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00:24:35.880 --> 00:24:37.759
<v Speaker 2>now in that little group of trees that's kind of

421
00:24:37.799 --> 00:24:42.400
<v Speaker 2>broken up because that's looking through bulliage in trees, but

422
00:24:42.559 --> 00:24:47.200
<v Speaker 2>their heat signature wasn't broken up, was like and then

423
00:24:47.240 --> 00:24:48.880
<v Speaker 2>completely gone.

424
00:24:50.359 --> 00:24:54.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, now, let's watch the recreation here because

425
00:24:54.000 --> 00:24:58.039
<v Speaker 1>I think this is you know, really proves what was

426
00:24:58.079 --> 00:24:58.440
<v Speaker 1>going on.

427
00:25:00.039 --> 00:25:02.119
<v Speaker 2>And forgive me for the jerkiness of their creation. I

428
00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:03.920
<v Speaker 2>was trying to run two pieces of equipment at the

429
00:25:03.920 --> 00:25:07.759
<v Speaker 2>same time, so it was a little challenging with two tripods,

430
00:25:07.799 --> 00:25:18.079
<v Speaker 2>So just to forgive me on that. Yeah, And you

431
00:25:18.240 --> 00:25:20.680
<v Speaker 2>notice that the team will be approaching a bunch of

432
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:25.000
<v Speaker 2>bushes and they deliberately go behind that, and even when

433
00:25:25.039 --> 00:25:27.559
<v Speaker 2>they go behind that thick vegetation, you still can see

434
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:34.799
<v Speaker 2>their heat signature. And this was during the day, and

435
00:25:34.839 --> 00:25:37.000
<v Speaker 2>so their heat signature should have been able to be

436
00:25:37.039 --> 00:25:41.319
<v Speaker 2>obscured easier because the ambient temperature is closer to the

437
00:25:41.559 --> 00:25:44.720
<v Speaker 2>temperature of the human body. But we were not able

438
00:25:44.759 --> 00:25:47.680
<v Speaker 2>to completely obliterate and you can see how wide open

439
00:25:49.119 --> 00:25:50.960
<v Speaker 2>that is. And that was taken during the same time

440
00:25:51.000 --> 00:25:55.359
<v Speaker 2>of year that the original box video or portal video

441
00:25:55.440 --> 00:25:59.200
<v Speaker 2>was taken. And you can see how sparse vegetation is

442
00:25:59.240 --> 00:26:03.160
<v Speaker 2>there in the background as it goes up the ridge.

443
00:26:04.440 --> 00:26:08.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, how far would they have to walk up the

444
00:26:08.880 --> 00:26:11.960
<v Speaker 1>ridge in order to disappear off of the fleot Okay,

445
00:26:12.039 --> 00:26:14.480
<v Speaker 1>so you can see right here, they would have to

446
00:26:14.559 --> 00:26:16.640
<v Speaker 1>walk up this little ridge here.

447
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:18.359
<v Speaker 2>Oh and even if.

448
00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:23.359
<v Speaker 1>The camera was you know, it would be almost impossible

449
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:27.319
<v Speaker 1>for three people to walk in the straight line up

450
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.279
<v Speaker 1>this ridge right being covered by one tree.

451
00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:32.920
<v Speaker 2>Right, you know, and one of the larger trees you

452
00:26:33.079 --> 00:26:34.960
<v Speaker 2>see is if you look to the left, you'll see

453
00:26:34.960 --> 00:26:37.000
<v Speaker 2>a downed tree. And just to the left of that

454
00:26:37.039 --> 00:26:39.440
<v Speaker 2>down tree, you'll see a vertical tree. That's one of

455
00:26:39.480 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 2>the larger trees, you know, on the edge of the meadow,

456
00:26:42.359 --> 00:26:45.640
<v Speaker 2>on the north end of the meadow. And you know,

457
00:26:45.680 --> 00:26:48.559
<v Speaker 2>if you had basically two guys get real real friendly

458
00:26:48.599 --> 00:26:52.000
<v Speaker 2>with one another and bunch up behind it, like you said,

459
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:55.720
<v Speaker 2>stacked on one another, yeah, you could hide behind that tree.

460
00:26:56.599 --> 00:26:58.960
<v Speaker 2>But three people, you know there, it's just not going

461
00:26:59.000 --> 00:27:01.680
<v Speaker 2>to happen. And you know something else is, you know,

462
00:27:01.720 --> 00:27:04.920
<v Speaker 2>we have the affidavits from everybody there there was no chicanery,

463
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:09.039
<v Speaker 2>There was no trickery. You know, these were just you know,

464
00:27:09.079 --> 00:27:14.720
<v Speaker 2>people experiencing something very extraordinary.

465
00:27:14.799 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>So how long do you think that it would take

466
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:21.319
<v Speaker 1>to get let's say that this was the frame right,

467
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:23.759
<v Speaker 1>this was the frame that it was on. The camera

468
00:27:23.920 --> 00:27:26.000
<v Speaker 1>didn't move. How long do you think that it would

469
00:27:26.000 --> 00:27:29.079
<v Speaker 1>take the walk to the bottom of this redge right

470
00:27:29.119 --> 00:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>here to completely get out of frame of this camera.

471
00:27:34.319 --> 00:27:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Well, just past where the individuals are now behind them,

472
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 2>there's like a swampy area, so they would have to

473
00:27:40.680 --> 00:27:44.319
<v Speaker 2>fight their way through that swamp and then they would

474
00:27:44.400 --> 00:27:46.519
<v Speaker 2>hit the bottom of the ridge and it would probably

475
00:27:46.519 --> 00:27:51.839
<v Speaker 2>take you maybe five ten minutes because that's pretty steep

476
00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.039
<v Speaker 2>to fight your way up that ridge.

477
00:27:55.519 --> 00:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>So basically impossible in the amount of time. Yeah, yeah,

478
00:27:58.960 --> 00:28:01.960
<v Speaker 1>it was running for them to get out of frame

479
00:28:02.160 --> 00:28:02.759
<v Speaker 1>of the camera.

480
00:28:02.839 --> 00:28:05.400
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely. And it would have to be perfect.

481
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 2>You know, they couldn't slip, they couldn't step to one

482
00:28:08.599 --> 00:28:10.480
<v Speaker 2>side or the other. It would have to be a perfect,

483
00:28:12.079 --> 00:28:16.519
<v Speaker 2>highly coordinated, you know effort between not only the individuals

484
00:28:16.519 --> 00:28:21.039
<v Speaker 2>but the cinematographer. And you know, so this was actually

485
00:28:21.319 --> 00:28:25.480
<v Speaker 2>this this footage was featured on the Discovery channel and

486
00:28:25.680 --> 00:28:29.039
<v Speaker 2>was sent to three separate analysts, and the best the

487
00:28:29.039 --> 00:28:33.240
<v Speaker 2>analytic because analysts could come up with was inconclusive. Is

488
00:28:33.359 --> 00:28:37.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, they couldn't detect any hoaxing that they really

489
00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.440
<v Speaker 2>don't know what happened that caused the heat signature of

490
00:28:40.480 --> 00:28:41.680
<v Speaker 2>the individuals to disappear.

491
00:28:45.440 --> 00:28:47.759
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm trying to rack my brain too, and I

492
00:28:47.799 --> 00:28:50.039
<v Speaker 1>was trying to rack it ever since that I've seen

493
00:28:50.079 --> 00:28:55.880
<v Speaker 1>this footage in twenty twenty and there's not any good

494
00:28:56.039 --> 00:29:02.720
<v Speaker 1>real explanation as to what happened right now whenever they

495
00:29:02.759 --> 00:29:07.279
<v Speaker 1>were inside of this let's you know, call it a portal,

496
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:14.119
<v Speaker 1>or when they disappeared what did they say happened in

497
00:29:14.319 --> 00:29:18.119
<v Speaker 1>what was around ninety seconds, but that they disappeared off

498
00:29:18.119 --> 00:29:22.039
<v Speaker 1>of the fleer. It happened in the ninety seconds that

499
00:29:22.079 --> 00:29:23.359
<v Speaker 1>we can.

500
00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:26.160
<v Speaker 2>And we had this. Uh we actually did a video

501
00:29:26.240 --> 00:29:29.799
<v Speaker 2>after action review that night right after this happened. And

502
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 2>that's the transcript of that is in my first book.

503
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:35.160
<v Speaker 2>And they talk about going into this thing and they,

504
00:29:35.519 --> 00:29:37.559
<v Speaker 2>like I said, they walked in unencumbered. You know, they

505
00:29:37.599 --> 00:29:43.400
<v Speaker 2>just walked in without any difficulty. The temperature dropped, which

506
00:29:43.400 --> 00:29:51.079
<v Speaker 2>is very important. It was like it was like the

507
00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:53.920
<v Speaker 2>environment was different. It was like they were inside of

508
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:58.079
<v Speaker 2>a black bag or a inside of blackout curtains, you know,

509
00:29:58.079 --> 00:29:59.559
<v Speaker 2>like you would have in the theater. You know, it

510
00:29:59.640 --> 00:30:02.000
<v Speaker 2>was like very dark, you know, like they were inside

511
00:30:02.000 --> 00:30:04.920
<v Speaker 2>of some sort of dark encapsulation. They couldn't see the sky,

512
00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:09.680
<v Speaker 2>they couldn't see anything around them, was completely dark, very quiet,

513
00:30:10.839 --> 00:30:16.240
<v Speaker 2>and you know, they just felt a sense of stillness.

514
00:30:16.480 --> 00:30:18.839
<v Speaker 2>Then they turned around and came back. You know, discretion

515
00:30:19.039 --> 00:30:20.839
<v Speaker 2>was the better part of Valors, so they decided to

516
00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:24.079
<v Speaker 2>work their way back out, and when they did, they started,

517
00:30:24.440 --> 00:30:26.880
<v Speaker 2>you know, running into branches and brambles that were not

518
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:29.839
<v Speaker 2>there when they took the same route going in that

519
00:30:29.880 --> 00:30:34.640
<v Speaker 2>they took out. So it's like the world was different

520
00:30:34.680 --> 00:30:37.440
<v Speaker 2>inside of this little bubble, but instead of being a bubble,

521
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:42.559
<v Speaker 2>it was a cube, and the world started shifting back

522
00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 2>to the normal reality, you know, right there in the

523
00:30:45.200 --> 00:30:48.240
<v Speaker 2>edge of the meadow when they came back out. So

524
00:30:48.279 --> 00:30:52.000
<v Speaker 2>it's like you had two quantum realities existing, except but

525
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:55.240
<v Speaker 2>not on a quantum scale, on a macro scale. And

526
00:30:55.319 --> 00:30:56.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, that's not the first time that happened that

527
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:59.680
<v Speaker 2>we've had, you know, two realities existing at the same

528
00:30:59.720 --> 00:31:01.799
<v Speaker 2>time in the meadow, and I go back to the

529
00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:04.680
<v Speaker 2>twenty sixteen episode of you know, one of our team

530
00:31:04.720 --> 00:31:09.000
<v Speaker 2>members being seen turn into a ball of energy, you know,

531
00:31:09.039 --> 00:31:13.599
<v Speaker 2>and travel you know, tens of yards, you know, in

532
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:16.160
<v Speaker 2>a few seconds. And then when the thermal was brought

533
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.400
<v Speaker 2>back on him, he turned back into a man's size

534
00:31:18.400 --> 00:31:21.640
<v Speaker 2>heat signature, but he had no recollection of moving that

535
00:31:21.799 --> 00:31:25.079
<v Speaker 2>distance at that speed. His recollection was he just walked

536
00:31:25.119 --> 00:31:29.079
<v Speaker 2>over there normally. So it's like two realities existing at

537
00:31:29.079 --> 00:31:32.640
<v Speaker 2>the same time at the same place. So, you know,

538
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:34.279
<v Speaker 2>in my book, I call that kind of cool.

539
00:31:34.559 --> 00:31:40.119
<v Speaker 1>You know, it's definitely really interesting. So did whenever they

540
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:43.279
<v Speaker 1>went into this thing, into this other reality or went

541
00:31:43.319 --> 00:31:49.240
<v Speaker 1>through this portal, did they realize that something had changed means?

542
00:31:49.839 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 1>And then they were like, we got to get out

543
00:31:51.640 --> 00:31:54.559
<v Speaker 1>of this. Let's turn around and go back the exact

544
00:31:54.599 --> 00:31:55.240
<v Speaker 1>same way.

545
00:31:55.839 --> 00:32:02.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, we were concerned about, right, And I don't

546
00:32:02.039 --> 00:32:04.680
<v Speaker 2>mean to make this sound melodramatic, so forgive me if

547
00:32:04.720 --> 00:32:07.039
<v Speaker 2>it sounds like it. But you know, one of the

548
00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:09.400
<v Speaker 2>things that we were joking about when we were approaching

549
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:13.279
<v Speaker 2>that thing is who had the larger life insurance policy

550
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:17.680
<v Speaker 2>and whose families could survive longer if we didn't come

551
00:32:17.720 --> 00:32:22.039
<v Speaker 2>back out. You know, I don't mean to make a

552
00:32:22.079 --> 00:32:25.079
<v Speaker 2>sound heroic and everything. It's just something we were kind

553
00:32:25.119 --> 00:32:30.480
<v Speaker 2>of joking about because we really didn't know what was

554
00:32:30.519 --> 00:32:33.240
<v Speaker 2>on the other side of that vertical you know, that

555
00:32:33.319 --> 00:32:36.440
<v Speaker 2>imaginary vertical line that the other team had described. You know,

556
00:32:36.480 --> 00:32:40.319
<v Speaker 2>that was the edge of the box. And you know,

557
00:32:40.400 --> 00:32:42.160
<v Speaker 2>we kind of in the back of our mind is like,

558
00:32:42.279 --> 00:32:48.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, what if we don't come back out, you know,

559
00:32:48.759 --> 00:32:51.480
<v Speaker 2>and maybe that wasn't you know, looking back when in retrospect,

560
00:32:51.759 --> 00:32:55.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, we probably shouldn't have done that without some

561
00:32:55.240 --> 00:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>protocols in place, you know, safety protocols, But yet we

562
00:33:01.039 --> 00:33:04.039
<v Speaker 2>did it anyway. And I was going to say, we

563
00:33:04.119 --> 00:33:08.720
<v Speaker 2>lived a tale of tale some of us lived, so

564
00:33:09.240 --> 00:33:09.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, there you go.

565
00:33:11.880 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's very similar to what people describe when they

566
00:33:16.039 --> 00:33:21.519
<v Speaker 1>have survived the missing For one one stuff, it's the

567
00:33:21.599 --> 00:33:24.559
<v Speaker 1>same type of thing they that they talked about when

568
00:33:24.920 --> 00:33:28.279
<v Speaker 1>they would shift into this completely different reality. Things were

569
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:31.319
<v Speaker 1>very disorienting. They didn't know where they were. It was

570
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:35.119
<v Speaker 1>like the environment had completely changed, like they were in

571
00:33:35.160 --> 00:33:39.799
<v Speaker 1>a separate reality. And then the people that survived managed

572
00:33:39.839 --> 00:33:43.720
<v Speaker 1>to get out of that separate reality in some kind

573
00:33:43.759 --> 00:33:48.799
<v Speaker 1>of way. I really think that the survivors of the

574
00:33:48.839 --> 00:33:51.799
<v Speaker 1>so called missing for one one or some of the

575
00:33:51.839 --> 00:33:56.960
<v Speaker 1>most interesting ones, because it gives an idea of exactly

576
00:33:57.640 --> 00:33:59.440
<v Speaker 1>what was going on, and you can talk to the

577
00:33:59.480 --> 00:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>person and be like, hey, what exactly happened? And that

578
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:05.799
<v Speaker 1>gives you an idea of what might have happened to

579
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.159
<v Speaker 1>the people that didn't survive.

580
00:34:08.000 --> 00:34:11.639
<v Speaker 2>Right, And you know, it probably wouldn't surprise you that

581
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.400
<v Speaker 2>this is within about fifty miles of one of those

582
00:34:14.440 --> 00:34:17.400
<v Speaker 2>clusters that David Polid's you know, has come up with.

583
00:34:20.760 --> 00:34:27.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it is very very because whenever I seen this,

584
00:34:27.400 --> 00:34:29.440
<v Speaker 1>I was like, holy crap, what is what is this?

585
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:32.480
<v Speaker 1>What is it? And I was like, wow, this is

586
00:34:32.480 --> 00:34:34.559
<v Speaker 1>incredible footage. But we have some other footage here. We

587
00:34:34.599 --> 00:34:38.000
<v Speaker 1>have a figure that you were talking about earlier, that

588
00:34:39.400 --> 00:34:44.679
<v Speaker 1>the Bob's Zoom figure. This is the entity that kind

589
00:34:44.719 --> 00:35:02.400
<v Speaker 1>of splits into two right them, there's two of them. Now,

590
00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that's not the that's not the enhanced foot example. Enhanced

591
00:35:07.639 --> 00:35:11.400
<v Speaker 1>that was just the raws watched the one more.

592
00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Time and that was pretty much in the location where Daryl,

593
00:35:27.800 --> 00:35:29.880
<v Speaker 2>who was the original person, we were sitting very high

594
00:35:29.920 --> 00:35:32.360
<v Speaker 2>up on a ridge looking down, and that's in the

595
00:35:32.360 --> 00:35:36.199
<v Speaker 2>same location where Daryl had said he saw a box

596
00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:39.079
<v Speaker 2>on his thermal, you know, a cube sitting in the meadow,

597
00:35:39.800 --> 00:35:43.840
<v Speaker 2>and then Bob picked up these whatever these are h

598
00:35:44.199 --> 00:35:49.480
<v Speaker 2>on his thermal in the same area. So you know,

599
00:35:49.599 --> 00:35:53.760
<v Speaker 2>are the cubes used for perhaps transportation, you know, a

600
00:35:53.800 --> 00:35:56.679
<v Speaker 2>way that you know, something can move from one realm

601
00:35:56.719 --> 00:35:59.039
<v Speaker 2>to another. Uh, you know, makes you wonder.

602
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, And here we have the enhanced version that

603
00:36:04.559 --> 00:36:08.480
<v Speaker 1>you get a better idea of what exactly is going

604
00:36:08.519 --> 00:36:26.320
<v Speaker 1>on here. Boom split in the two that's wild.

605
00:36:27.440 --> 00:36:30.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And not long after that, the two heat signatures

606
00:36:30.760 --> 00:36:34.039
<v Speaker 2>that did not correspond with any team members were seen

607
00:36:34.199 --> 00:36:36.519
<v Speaker 2>in the small group of trees about forty yards from

608
00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:39.000
<v Speaker 2>where we were filming or the team was filming the

609
00:36:39.199 --> 00:36:42.480
<v Speaker 2>box video portal video. So you know, are these the

610
00:36:42.519 --> 00:36:44.840
<v Speaker 2>things that walked over there? And were they observing us

611
00:36:45.599 --> 00:36:50.280
<v Speaker 2>as we you know, entered into the cube. So I

612
00:36:50.320 --> 00:36:52.039
<v Speaker 2>don't know it would make sense.

613
00:36:54.119 --> 00:36:57.199
<v Speaker 1>Whereabouts was this taken in the meadow?

614
00:36:57.639 --> 00:36:59.920
<v Speaker 2>That was taken on the extreme west end of the meadow,

615
00:37:00.079 --> 00:37:05.039
<v Speaker 2>so it was probably uh, i'd say maybe four hundred

616
00:37:05.039 --> 00:37:08.280
<v Speaker 2>feet west of where the cube was four or five

617
00:37:08.320 --> 00:37:09.599
<v Speaker 2>hundred feet.

618
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:17.360
<v Speaker 1>And Bob took this footage. Yeah, Bob Wilson, and he's

619
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:22.119
<v Speaker 1>the one that went into the portal and yeah, passed away.

620
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.559
<v Speaker 2>You remember meeting Bob there in Laughlin.

621
00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, this one is super fascinating. Didn't you guys have

622
00:37:34.000 --> 00:37:40.320
<v Speaker 1>one with They had like a some kind of big

623
00:37:40.719 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 1>footage as well.

624
00:37:42.440 --> 00:37:45.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we had one. It was uh, once again Bob.

625
00:37:46.480 --> 00:37:51.000
<v Speaker 2>He recorded a heat signature that was actually colder than

626
00:37:51.039 --> 00:37:56.800
<v Speaker 2>the surroundings. And it was like a large, hulking figure

627
00:37:57.039 --> 00:37:59.280
<v Speaker 2>with a head basically sitting right on his shoulders, with

628
00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:03.639
<v Speaker 2>these long, kind of sinewy arms, just kind of standing there,

629
00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, in the woodline, doing this back and forth.

630
00:38:08.679 --> 00:38:12.519
<v Speaker 2>And what's interesting is that it was colder than the surroundings,

631
00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:16.760
<v Speaker 2>which doesn't make sense for a hot blooded creature. And

632
00:38:16.800 --> 00:38:20.400
<v Speaker 2>we've been in other locations away from the meadow where

633
00:38:20.519 --> 00:38:26.079
<v Speaker 2>likewise we have filmed uh, you know, cryptids, you know,

634
00:38:26.119 --> 00:38:29.800
<v Speaker 2>bigfoot like creatures that are colder than the ambient surroundings,

635
00:38:29.840 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 2>which does not make sense for any kind of primate,

636
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.280
<v Speaker 2>but it does make sense for something that might be

637
00:38:35.320 --> 00:38:36.719
<v Speaker 2>winking in and out of existence.

638
00:38:38.920 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's what I really liked about the documentary was

639
00:38:42.320 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 1>one of the individuals in the documentaries thought that he

640
00:38:46.559 --> 00:38:47.039
<v Speaker 1>had seen.

641
00:38:48.800 --> 00:38:50.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh don't get don't give it away, don't give the

642
00:38:50.880 --> 00:38:58.880
<v Speaker 2>ending away, Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, but it was yeah, yeah, the.

643
00:39:00.719 --> 00:39:02.840
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I just kind of like that aspect of

644
00:39:02.880 --> 00:39:07.400
<v Speaker 1>it because it's like, you know, there's something that because

645
00:39:07.440 --> 00:39:10.639
<v Speaker 1>I've had things like that happen to me before that

646
00:39:10.760 --> 00:39:15.400
<v Speaker 1>has been very devastating and detrimental.

647
00:39:16.840 --> 00:39:20.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah to me, you know, yeah, what I thought was interesting,

648
00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:22.719
<v Speaker 2>and you know, I was I was not expecting it

649
00:39:22.760 --> 00:39:24.960
<v Speaker 2>at all. And I'll just I'm going to put this

650
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:30.239
<v Speaker 2>little teaser out there for everybody, is somebody saw something

651
00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.800
<v Speaker 2>that turned out not to be what they thought it was,

652
00:39:33.760 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 2>and I'll just leave it at that. But yet, the Meadow,

653
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:40.199
<v Speaker 2>in true Meadow fashion, has a way of letting you

654
00:39:40.320 --> 00:39:44.159
<v Speaker 2>know that it's still in the game. Whatever the entity

655
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.599
<v Speaker 2>or entities are that are affiliated or associated with the

656
00:39:47.639 --> 00:39:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Meadow have a way of letting you know that they're

657
00:39:50.119 --> 00:39:52.400
<v Speaker 2>still here, you know, and they're not going to let

658
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:54.880
<v Speaker 2>you get away without knowing that. So I'll just I'll

659
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:55.760
<v Speaker 2>throw that out there.

660
00:39:56.960 --> 00:39:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Yes, We'll leave it at that. And I also have

661
00:39:59.039 --> 00:40:05.760
<v Speaker 1>some other footage of UAP. Now, yeah, this was captured

662
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.880
<v Speaker 1>more recently, right, I think you sent this to me

663
00:40:09.960 --> 00:40:11.559
<v Speaker 1>separate from the other ones from.

664
00:40:11.480 --> 00:40:15.400
<v Speaker 2>A couple of years. Yeah, I did. That was to do.

665
00:40:15.719 --> 00:40:19.320
<v Speaker 2>That was in February of twenty one. Place. Yeah, a

666
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:22.159
<v Speaker 2>place called Stephen's Lake and that's the that's the cover name.

667
00:40:22.159 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 2>That's not the real name of the place, but it's uh,

668
00:40:24.320 --> 00:40:27.239
<v Speaker 2>it's probably about four miles from the meadow, and you know,

669
00:40:27.239 --> 00:40:29.800
<v Speaker 2>we had set up a SkyWatch in that area and

670
00:40:29.840 --> 00:40:33.480
<v Speaker 2>they caught these, uh, these really interesting UAPs. And you know,

671
00:40:33.519 --> 00:40:35.360
<v Speaker 2>if you'll play it, I'll just kind of walk people

672
00:40:35.400 --> 00:40:38.519
<v Speaker 2>through it. Yeah, and uh, I'll take a look at it.

673
00:40:39.360 --> 00:40:41.320
<v Speaker 2>So we're looking at what we're looking at of these

674
00:40:41.320 --> 00:40:44.039
<v Speaker 2>two flashing lights, which you see are kind of in

675
00:40:44.079 --> 00:40:46.960
<v Speaker 2>the upper uh upper part and then right above the

676
00:40:47.000 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 2>tree line. These lights were so stationary that I originally

677
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:54.480
<v Speaker 2>thought they were antennas that I for some reason had

678
00:40:54.719 --> 00:40:56.960
<v Speaker 2>not noticed, you know, on all the years I've been

679
00:40:57.000 --> 00:41:01.960
<v Speaker 2>going there. But they're very slowly dropping down below the horizon,

680
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:05.880
<v Speaker 2>moving at a forty five degree angle to right below

681
00:41:05.920 --> 00:41:10.039
<v Speaker 2>the horizon, and they're blinking on and off. Now, I

682
00:41:10.079 --> 00:41:12.480
<v Speaker 2>had a set of ten X binoculars when this was

683
00:41:12.519 --> 00:41:14.800
<v Speaker 2>taken with a psionics on night vision camera. But I

684
00:41:14.840 --> 00:41:17.440
<v Speaker 2>had a pair of ten X binoculars, and when you

685
00:41:17.480 --> 00:41:20.599
<v Speaker 2>look at each individual blinking light, it's actually a series

686
00:41:20.639 --> 00:41:24.639
<v Speaker 2>of two lights next to one another, blinking on off,

687
00:41:24.920 --> 00:41:29.639
<v Speaker 2>on off, on off, And the weird thing about it

688
00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.519
<v Speaker 2>is you can see they're slowly dropping below the horizon.

689
00:41:32.639 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 2>We had been seeing aircraft all evening and so we

690
00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:39.800
<v Speaker 2>were very familiar with, uh, you know, the the navigation

691
00:41:40.320 --> 00:41:42.760
<v Speaker 2>and has anti collision lights on an aircraft, you know,

692
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:46.400
<v Speaker 2>the greener red navigation lights, the white marker strobes on

693
00:41:46.440 --> 00:41:49.840
<v Speaker 2>the wingtips, the red anti collision light you know, on

694
00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 2>the underside and upper side of an aircraft. And through

695
00:41:53.679 --> 00:41:57.480
<v Speaker 2>the ten X binoculars, none of those other beacons were observable.

696
00:41:57.719 --> 00:42:02.119
<v Speaker 2>There were just a series of white flight lights, almost

697
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:04.239
<v Speaker 2>like headlights you know, in the in the sky, just

698
00:42:04.239 --> 00:42:07.920
<v Speaker 2>blinking on and all. And so I'm also a moof

699
00:42:08.000 --> 00:42:11.320
<v Speaker 2>on field investigator, and so I, you know, put on

700
00:42:11.400 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 2>my movef on if I had and I did a

701
00:42:14.480 --> 00:42:17.719
<v Speaker 2>bit an analysis of this, and I could not find

702
00:42:17.760 --> 00:42:20.639
<v Speaker 2>any air traffic that corresponded. I knew the exact latitude

703
00:42:20.679 --> 00:42:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and longitude of my location. I took a compass out

704
00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:27.039
<v Speaker 2>and I shot a direct asthmuth of exactly where these were,

705
00:42:27.079 --> 00:42:29.239
<v Speaker 2>so I knew, you know, exactly where they were, how

706
00:42:29.280 --> 00:42:32.400
<v Speaker 2>many degrees above the horizon. And I could find no

707
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:38.000
<v Speaker 2>corresponding air traffic. I could not find any corresponding light

708
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:40.920
<v Speaker 2>pattern of a known aircraft that did not have the

709
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 2>anti collision rotating beacon or the the green and red

710
00:42:46.679 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>navigation lights. And so you know, I've got some friends

711
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:53.039
<v Speaker 2>in mof on that are you taking a look at

712
00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.239
<v Speaker 2>this to see if they can maybe decipher exactly what

713
00:42:56.280 --> 00:42:59.119
<v Speaker 2>it was we saw. And it's interesting to note that

714
00:42:59.159 --> 00:43:02.760
<v Speaker 2>this area, uh there are this region has a very

715
00:43:02.840 --> 00:43:06.599
<v Speaker 2>very rich history of a UFO and UFP sidings h

716
00:43:07.119 --> 00:43:09.440
<v Speaker 2>So you know, this just falls right in with the

717
00:43:09.480 --> 00:43:10.280
<v Speaker 2>history of the area.

718
00:43:12.599 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 1>So no satellites. This couldn't be satellites because sometimes I

719
00:43:18.119 --> 00:43:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, people think that it's a UFO and it's

720
00:43:21.440 --> 00:43:24.760
<v Speaker 1>really a satellite or kind of aircraft. But you're right,

721
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:28.440
<v Speaker 1>whenever you're looking through military grade night vision goggles and

722
00:43:28.480 --> 00:43:32.800
<v Speaker 1>something that's blinking multiple different lights, then it's definitely an aircraft.

723
00:43:32.920 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 1>But we can just be blinking one solid light.

724
00:43:37.320 --> 00:43:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Well, and on a satellite, what you're actually seeing is

725
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:43.280
<v Speaker 2>as a satellite moves across the sky horizon to horizon.

726
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:46.800
<v Speaker 2>And what's interesting is these appeared high in the sky

727
00:43:47.280 --> 00:43:49.719
<v Speaker 2>and drop below the horizon, where if a satellite or

728
00:43:49.719 --> 00:43:53.039
<v Speaker 2>aircraft is approaching you, it will start below the horizon,

729
00:43:53.119 --> 00:43:57.320
<v Speaker 2>come above you, and then drop on the horizon behind you.

730
00:43:57.360 --> 00:43:59.559
<v Speaker 2>And these just appeared up in the sky, just all

731
00:43:59.559 --> 00:44:01.960
<v Speaker 2>of a sudden, appeared out of nowhere and then drop

732
00:44:02.000 --> 00:44:04.760
<v Speaker 2>below the horizon. A satellite as it moves from horizon

733
00:44:04.800 --> 00:44:08.599
<v Speaker 2>to horizon is usually a steady light because it's reflecting

734
00:44:08.679 --> 00:44:11.280
<v Speaker 2>sunlight off the body of the satellite. It doesn't actually

735
00:44:11.280 --> 00:44:15.039
<v Speaker 2>have a strobe or a blinking light on it. Uh. Now,

736
00:44:15.039 --> 00:44:17.079
<v Speaker 2>sometimes you'll get it as it rotates, you might get

737
00:44:17.119 --> 00:44:19.480
<v Speaker 2>like an a arrhythium flare or something. But uh, you know,

738
00:44:19.559 --> 00:44:21.800
<v Speaker 2>these lights were constant, you know, like they were they

739
00:44:21.840 --> 00:44:25.199
<v Speaker 2>were engineered and had a purpose to blink at that

740
00:44:25.199 --> 00:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>particular rate. Now what that purpose is I really don't know,

741
00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:30.880
<v Speaker 2>but uh it was one, you know. And I just

742
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:32.599
<v Speaker 2>put this out there for people, you know, when I

743
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:34.679
<v Speaker 2>go and give the lecture, I say, this is what

744
00:44:34.719 --> 00:44:37.000
<v Speaker 2>I saw. You know, these are the tools I used

745
00:44:37.039 --> 00:44:39.360
<v Speaker 2>to uh try to figure out what it was. You know,

746
00:44:39.360 --> 00:44:41.280
<v Speaker 2>I looked at all the air traffic in that region.

747
00:44:41.880 --> 00:44:44.639
<v Speaker 2>You know, nothing corresponded, you know at that uh that

748
00:44:45.079 --> 00:44:48.679
<v Speaker 2>you know that particular place. It was moving unlike stars,

749
00:44:48.719 --> 00:44:51.920
<v Speaker 2>because you can see the stars are stationary and uh so,

750
00:44:52.000 --> 00:44:54.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, I just have to put this up as unidentified,

751
00:44:54.360 --> 00:44:56.800
<v Speaker 2>which is what an unidentified a flying object is.

752
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:06.280
<v Speaker 1>It's really interesting. It almost looks like some stranger things,

753
00:45:06.320 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 1>stuff like whenever she would put up the the lights

754
00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.239
<v Speaker 1>to communicate with the upside down and all the lights

755
00:45:15.119 --> 00:45:17.719
<v Speaker 1>going off right, it kind of seems.

756
00:45:17.360 --> 00:45:20.599
<v Speaker 2>Like And what I thought was still weird about that

757
00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:24.000
<v Speaker 2>is that the two things stayed constantly constant distance between

758
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:27.079
<v Speaker 2>one another. You know, they just moved in tandem, you

759
00:45:27.280 --> 00:45:29.480
<v Speaker 2>slowly below the horizon and then disappeared.

760
00:45:32.840 --> 00:45:34.519
<v Speaker 1>How long were you out there filming those?

761
00:45:35.800 --> 00:45:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Uh? You know, I filmed them for about five or

762
00:45:38.519 --> 00:45:40.639
<v Speaker 2>six minutes until they dropped below the horizon. But, like

763
00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.960
<v Speaker 2>I said, what really brought it to my attentions. I'm

764
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.320
<v Speaker 2>sitting there, you know, with my camera and everything set up,

765
00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:48.559
<v Speaker 2>and what we were originally looking for were flashes or

766
00:45:48.679 --> 00:45:53.400
<v Speaker 2>orbs above the lake because there had been a lot

767
00:45:53.400 --> 00:45:55.719
<v Speaker 2>of reports of flashes of lights and deep in the

768
00:45:55.719 --> 00:45:58.760
<v Speaker 2>forest and orbs. And then you know, I looked at

769
00:45:58.800 --> 00:46:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I see these blinking lights of like, well, that's kind

770
00:46:00.920 --> 00:46:02.880
<v Speaker 2>of weird. I don't remember there being a you know,

771
00:46:02.880 --> 00:46:05.880
<v Speaker 2>a tall radio antenna, you know, in all these years,

772
00:46:05.880 --> 00:46:09.079
<v Speaker 2>I've never noticed that. That's strange. And then you know,

773
00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.039
<v Speaker 2>the more I sat there and I watched, and I'm like,

774
00:46:11.199 --> 00:46:14.239
<v Speaker 2>that seems to be moving. So I moved my camera

775
00:46:14.320 --> 00:46:17.480
<v Speaker 2>up and actually, you know, started recording and you know,

776
00:46:17.960 --> 00:46:20.519
<v Speaker 2>you know, much like I thought, they you know, slowly moved,

777
00:46:20.840 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, down below the horizon. So I you know,

778
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:26.360
<v Speaker 2>that's just a big question mark.

779
00:46:27.320 --> 00:46:29.599
<v Speaker 1>Does anybody live on this property or are there any

780
00:46:30.280 --> 00:46:30.920
<v Speaker 1>on the property?

781
00:46:31.079 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 2>No, No, it's a it is a public nature preserve,

782
00:46:36.119 --> 00:46:38.599
<v Speaker 2>so there are no there's no private property here. It's

783
00:46:39.760 --> 00:46:41.000
<v Speaker 2>there's nobody that lives there.

784
00:46:42.840 --> 00:46:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Was this Native American land that I.

785
00:46:44.719 --> 00:46:48.320
<v Speaker 2>Won't tell you. Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, mm hmm.

786
00:46:49.599 --> 00:46:54.599
<v Speaker 1>That's really interesting. Is there any other type of history

787
00:46:54.840 --> 00:46:56.440
<v Speaker 1>that went on here?

788
00:46:57.159 --> 00:47:00.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that that area has a very rich history of conflict,

789
00:47:01.079 --> 00:47:07.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, between primarily between Native American tribes, and there

790
00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:12.639
<v Speaker 2>was some conflict between US forces and settlers and Native

791
00:47:12.639 --> 00:47:16.840
<v Speaker 2>American tribes and I'm not going to go into the

792
00:47:16.920 --> 00:47:19.119
<v Speaker 2>history because that will get the location away. But yeah,

793
00:47:19.119 --> 00:47:22.519
<v Speaker 2>there's there's a history conflict. You go back and you

794
00:47:22.519 --> 00:47:25.320
<v Speaker 2>look at the folkloric history of this area. You know,

795
00:47:25.440 --> 00:47:28.400
<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of old ghost stories, there's stories of

796
00:47:28.880 --> 00:47:31.440
<v Speaker 2>wild men in the woods, which was a way that

797
00:47:31.480 --> 00:47:35.119
<v Speaker 2>the early reporters used to describe Bigfoot as families of

798
00:47:35.159 --> 00:47:39.599
<v Speaker 2>wild men. And then of course UAPs and UFOs and

799
00:47:39.800 --> 00:47:44.239
<v Speaker 2>uh so you know, and encryptids, So yes, kind of

800
00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.400
<v Speaker 2>you know. The model I use is if you see

801
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:49.719
<v Speaker 2>an area that has a rich history of UFOs, a

802
00:47:49.800 --> 00:47:53.280
<v Speaker 2>rich history folkloric history of ghost stories, and of a

803
00:47:53.400 --> 00:47:57.519
<v Speaker 2>rich history of reports of cryptids, and you see a

804
00:47:57.559 --> 00:48:00.480
<v Speaker 2>concentration that's somewhere where you probably got to look, you're

805
00:48:00.760 --> 00:48:03.079
<v Speaker 2>more likely than not find some really strange stuff going

806
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:03.480
<v Speaker 2>on there.

807
00:48:06.760 --> 00:48:11.079
<v Speaker 1>How close is the closest town to this Is it

808
00:48:11.199 --> 00:48:12.039
<v Speaker 1>kind of far away?

809
00:48:12.199 --> 00:48:16.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's about fifteen or twenty miles, depending on

810
00:48:16.280 --> 00:48:21.119
<v Speaker 2>what route you take, so it takes you about forty

811
00:48:21.199 --> 00:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>minutes fifty minutes to get into town.

812
00:48:26.920 --> 00:48:31.719
<v Speaker 1>So what would this area be used for if there's

813
00:48:31.880 --> 00:48:33.880
<v Speaker 1>like do people go up there in camp?

814
00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:38.800
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you know, camping, hunting, you know, logging, you know,

815
00:48:38.840 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 2>the entity that owns this property, you know, we'll issue

816
00:48:43.599 --> 00:48:46.679
<v Speaker 2>out timber consignments, you know, to companies, so they'll come

817
00:48:46.719 --> 00:48:49.000
<v Speaker 2>in there and log it every once in a while.

818
00:48:49.920 --> 00:48:53.199
<v Speaker 2>So it's you know, it's basically an area for public use,

819
00:48:54.199 --> 00:48:57.480
<v Speaker 2>which is a very wide, you know, wide umbrella public

820
00:48:57.519 --> 00:48:59.400
<v Speaker 2>being not only you know, you and me going out

821
00:48:59.440 --> 00:49:03.760
<v Speaker 2>there to camp, but also you know, natural resources like

822
00:49:04.079 --> 00:49:05.280
<v Speaker 2>logging and things like that.

823
00:49:07.199 --> 00:49:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Have you guys had any like hitchhiker effect stuff going on?

824
00:49:10.400 --> 00:49:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, oh yeah, absolutely.

825
00:49:12.800 --> 00:49:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Your investigation team have you experienced.

826
00:49:15.639 --> 00:49:19.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of the strangest stuff. And I'm going to

827
00:49:19.199 --> 00:49:21.360
<v Speaker 2>try to look up these photographs while I'm talking to you.

828
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:25.519
<v Speaker 2>Probably the strangest thing that happened to me is not

829
00:49:25.719 --> 00:49:28.559
<v Speaker 2>too far from where I'm sitting right now, maybe only

830
00:49:28.599 --> 00:49:32.400
<v Speaker 2>thirty five yards is I was out toodling around one

831
00:49:32.440 --> 00:49:37.360
<v Speaker 2>day and there's a place that I can't get grass

832
00:49:37.360 --> 00:49:42.199
<v Speaker 2>to grow. And I looked down at the ground and

833
00:49:42.280 --> 00:49:48.159
<v Speaker 2>there were a series of canine tracks. And the canine tracks,

834
00:49:49.039 --> 00:49:51.840
<v Speaker 2>you know, were kind of interesting, But what really made

835
00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:54.360
<v Speaker 2>them stand out is they were six inches in diameter.

836
00:49:56.119 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 2>Now that's larger than you know, one of the largest

837
00:49:58.599 --> 00:50:03.239
<v Speaker 2>wolves in North America. That's more like di dire wolf

838
00:50:03.320 --> 00:50:06.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of stuff. You know, huge canine tracks of six

839
00:50:06.159 --> 00:50:11.239
<v Speaker 2>inches just you know, a few yards from my back door.

840
00:50:12.320 --> 00:50:17.199
<v Speaker 2>And what gets even stranger is these canine tracks start

841
00:50:17.280 --> 00:50:19.719
<v Speaker 2>at a very distinctive place and then end at a

842
00:50:19.760 --> 00:50:24.239
<v Speaker 2>very distinctive place. So it's a finite track line, and

843
00:50:24.320 --> 00:50:30.000
<v Speaker 2>the track line looks almost bipedal. And what's you know

844
00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:32.480
<v Speaker 2>where you start throwing kind of a twist into that

845
00:50:32.719 --> 00:50:35.239
<v Speaker 2>is you go back and you look at some of

846
00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.320
<v Speaker 2>the accounts of people that have encountered other things in

847
00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:41.599
<v Speaker 2>areas of high strange and it's like Skinwalker ranch is

848
00:50:41.639 --> 00:50:47.000
<v Speaker 2>they talk about large canine type creatures not only seen

849
00:50:47.039 --> 00:50:49.119
<v Speaker 2>at the ranch, but following them home. There was a

850
00:50:49.199 --> 00:50:53.599
<v Speaker 2>case of one of the original Knids investigators National Institute

851
00:50:53.599 --> 00:50:58.000
<v Speaker 2>for Discovery Science going back home in Virginia and in

852
00:50:58.039 --> 00:51:04.880
<v Speaker 2>his suburban Virginia backyard, his family reported seeing large upright canines.

853
00:51:06.800 --> 00:51:09.719
<v Speaker 2>And you also go back and look at like Marley Woods,

854
00:51:10.719 --> 00:51:13.440
<v Speaker 2>and the people that you know research Marley Woods and

855
00:51:13.480 --> 00:51:15.679
<v Speaker 2>the people that live in that area talk about seeing

856
00:51:15.800 --> 00:51:21.119
<v Speaker 2>large upright canines. And so there seems to be some

857
00:51:21.159 --> 00:51:23.800
<v Speaker 2>sort of nexus between dog men. And I'm just gonna

858
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 2>use that term because it's you know, bipedal and has

859
00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:30.320
<v Speaker 2>feet like a dog. Uh, you know, and these instances

860
00:51:30.320 --> 00:51:34.199
<v Speaker 2>of high strangeness. And I'm trying to find the picture

861
00:51:34.280 --> 00:51:39.079
<v Speaker 2>of the track line because it's it's pretty cool. Oh

862
00:51:39.079 --> 00:51:41.119
<v Speaker 2>there we go. Okay, I'm gonna show first, I'm gonna

863
00:51:41.119 --> 00:51:46.000
<v Speaker 2>show a picture of the track and this is a

864
00:51:46.079 --> 00:51:49.400
<v Speaker 2>six inch forensic rule that I keep in my camera bag.

865
00:51:50.559 --> 00:51:55.360
<v Speaker 2>So i'm gonna see if y'all can see that.

866
00:51:55.360 --> 00:51:56.199
<v Speaker 1>That's a big print.

867
00:51:56.679 --> 00:51:58.360
<v Speaker 2>That's a big print. Now i'm gonna show you the

868
00:51:58.440 --> 00:52:10.880
<v Speaker 2>track line, and that's a thirty six inch rule. M

869
00:52:13.159 --> 00:52:16.079
<v Speaker 2>So it starts in a very distinctive place and ends

870
00:52:16.119 --> 00:52:21.840
<v Speaker 2>in a very distinctive place. And my dog is a

871
00:52:21.920 --> 00:52:24.960
<v Speaker 2>ninety five pound boxer mix, so he's a he's a

872
00:52:24.960 --> 00:52:29.639
<v Speaker 2>big boy, and his prints aren't nearly as deep and

873
00:52:29.719 --> 00:52:30.920
<v Speaker 2>as large as those.

874
00:52:35.880 --> 00:52:38.280
<v Speaker 1>I'd have to come from like a really big.

875
00:52:39.280 --> 00:52:43.480
<v Speaker 2>A big animal, big animal. Yeah, yeah, so you know

876
00:52:43.559 --> 00:52:46.119
<v Speaker 2>that you take that into account with, you know, like

877
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:49.079
<v Speaker 2>the giant wolf being seen at the Sherman ranch when

878
00:52:49.079 --> 00:52:50.880
<v Speaker 2>it was owned by the Shermans and they shot at

879
00:52:50.920 --> 00:52:54.039
<v Speaker 2>it and the thirty out six you had no effect

880
00:52:54.119 --> 00:52:57.000
<v Speaker 2>on this large wolf type creature they saw. And then

881
00:52:57.079 --> 00:52:59.679
<v Speaker 2>you go back to the NIZZ investigator when Bigelow owned

882
00:52:59.679 --> 00:53:04.400
<v Speaker 2>the place, you know, seeing these large canines in the backyard. Uh.

883
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:06.920
<v Speaker 2>And then you have my account and then you go

884
00:53:07.039 --> 00:53:08.719
<v Speaker 2>up to like land between the lakes and all the

885
00:53:09.000 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 2>very rich uh you know folklore of uh, you know,

886
00:53:12.360 --> 00:53:16.920
<v Speaker 2>a large canine type bipedal creature up there. You know

887
00:53:16.920 --> 00:53:20.719
<v Speaker 2>there's something about these uh, these these bipedal canines and

888
00:53:20.800 --> 00:53:23.480
<v Speaker 2>high strangeness. You know, now, is it an avatar? Is

889
00:53:23.480 --> 00:53:26.719
<v Speaker 2>it a uh you know, a arc type you know

890
00:53:26.840 --> 00:53:29.400
<v Speaker 2>that is in our collective consciousness. You know, I don't know,

891
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:31.480
<v Speaker 2>but there seems to be a uh, you know, some

892
00:53:31.519 --> 00:53:33.559
<v Speaker 2>sort of correlation. And that's the kind of you know,

893
00:53:33.639 --> 00:53:37.559
<v Speaker 2>hitchhiker stuff that I've had. Now in my second book,

894
00:53:37.599 --> 00:53:41.599
<v Speaker 2>I talk about uh one of our team members who

895
00:53:42.039 --> 00:53:45.840
<v Speaker 2>after the portal incident, she started having dreams of orbs

896
00:53:45.880 --> 00:53:48.920
<v Speaker 2>coming into her room. Now, we're lucky enough to have

897
00:53:48.960 --> 00:53:52.000
<v Speaker 2>a a psychotherapist on our staff where the anomo studies

898
00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.480
<v Speaker 2>an observation group, and he he took her and put

899
00:53:54.480 --> 00:53:56.880
<v Speaker 2>her under a hypnotic regression. You know you're thinking, I

900
00:53:56.880 --> 00:54:00.400
<v Speaker 2>think Bud Hopkins and John Mack kind of stuff. So

901
00:54:00.440 --> 00:54:02.599
<v Speaker 2>he put her under hypnotic regression, and what came out

902
00:54:02.599 --> 00:54:05.400
<v Speaker 2>of that is these these things would come in through

903
00:54:05.440 --> 00:54:09.960
<v Speaker 2>her window and would grab her feet, and then she

904
00:54:10.039 --> 00:54:13.880
<v Speaker 2>had a large entity standing next to her by the

905
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:16.599
<v Speaker 2>bed trying to pull her off the bed. And she

906
00:54:16.599 --> 00:54:18.960
<v Speaker 2>would wake up with marks on her body, like scratches

907
00:54:19.039 --> 00:54:23.199
<v Speaker 2>and actual marks, and the entity that stood above her bed.

908
00:54:23.760 --> 00:54:26.039
<v Speaker 2>She recounts it as being like an witch or an

909
00:54:26.119 --> 00:54:28.840
<v Speaker 2>old woman, which is interesting because you go back into

910
00:54:28.880 --> 00:54:32.880
<v Speaker 2>the folklore and you hear about the folklore of the

911
00:54:32.960 --> 00:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>old crone, and a really good example of that is

912
00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:38.599
<v Speaker 2>a Russian folklore of Bobba Yaga, you know, the witch

913
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:41.320
<v Speaker 2>who lives in the woods in a house on chicken legs.

914
00:54:41.840 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, she was the archetypical you know, old crone,

915
00:54:45.280 --> 00:54:48.440
<v Speaker 2>you know of the forest. So you know that was

916
00:54:48.480 --> 00:54:51.360
<v Speaker 2>actually happening at her house, so you know, she had

917
00:54:51.360 --> 00:54:56.000
<v Speaker 2>something follow her home. So and we've had other filmmakers

918
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:57.920
<v Speaker 2>come out there that refuse to come back to the

919
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:01.559
<v Speaker 2>meadow because things have followed them. Absolutely, yes, you know,

920
00:55:01.559 --> 00:55:04.119
<v Speaker 2>the Hitchhocker effect is live and well at the meadow.

921
00:55:11.000 --> 00:55:12.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh you're all mute.

922
00:55:14.360 --> 00:55:16.679
<v Speaker 1>And do that once at least once for.

923
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:17.920
<v Speaker 2>Sure, that's fine.

924
00:55:18.440 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 4>Uh.

925
00:55:19.159 --> 00:55:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

926
00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:22.519
<v Speaker 1>It sounds very similar to a lot of the other

927
00:55:23.840 --> 00:55:27.760
<v Speaker 1>ranches and a lot of other experiences that people have

928
00:55:28.760 --> 00:55:32.119
<v Speaker 1>claimed to have happened, you know, sort of like White

929
00:55:32.199 --> 00:55:37.639
<v Speaker 1>Katie Page, the Colorado Ranch and oh absolutely, well have

930
00:55:38.599 --> 00:55:42.760
<v Speaker 1>you know explained with you know, Skinwalker Ranch. Now, I

931
00:55:42.760 --> 00:55:47.000
<v Speaker 1>don't know how big I am on regression. Do you

932
00:55:47.039 --> 00:55:48.280
<v Speaker 1>think regression is real?

933
00:55:49.239 --> 00:55:53.119
<v Speaker 2>I don't think it's real. In the fact that your

934
00:55:53.199 --> 00:55:57.840
<v Speaker 2>hypnosis has been used to help people remember things that

935
00:55:57.920 --> 00:56:00.280
<v Speaker 2>they have forgotten and don't even think about, you know,

936
00:56:01.320 --> 00:56:03.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, UFOs and all of that stuff. They just

937
00:56:03.559 --> 00:56:06.480
<v Speaker 2>think about people that have been an accident or have

938
00:56:06.519 --> 00:56:09.760
<v Speaker 2>had traumatic events that their brain has put a block

939
00:56:09.840 --> 00:56:12.000
<v Speaker 2>in front of them to protect, you know, their psyche

940
00:56:12.039 --> 00:56:15.639
<v Speaker 2>from post traumatic stress syndrome or you know, something like that,

941
00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:18.960
<v Speaker 2>and through hypnotic aggression, they've been able to pull that,

942
00:56:19.360 --> 00:56:21.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, pull those memories back out, put them into

943
00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:24.280
<v Speaker 2>the forefront, and help people deal with that trauma.

944
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:25.159
<v Speaker 3>Uh.

945
00:56:26.159 --> 00:56:29.000
<v Speaker 2>You know, hypnotic progression has has been invaluable you know,

946
00:56:29.119 --> 00:56:32.719
<v Speaker 2>in psychiatric active treatment of individuals who have gone through

947
00:56:32.760 --> 00:56:37.480
<v Speaker 2>trauma or other very meaningful events. So you know, you

948
00:56:37.559 --> 00:56:40.000
<v Speaker 2>take that and you look at it through the optics of,

949
00:56:40.119 --> 00:56:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you know, would it be beneficial through somebody who went

950
00:56:42.280 --> 00:56:46.760
<v Speaker 2>through a traumatic event, you know, the abduction phenomena. You know,

951
00:56:46.760 --> 00:56:48.559
<v Speaker 2>I have to take it on face value. There are

952
00:56:48.559 --> 00:56:52.719
<v Speaker 2>people that, you know, we count these experiences. There are

953
00:56:52.719 --> 00:56:55.519
<v Speaker 2>people that you know, have some sort of you know,

954
00:56:55.920 --> 00:56:59.440
<v Speaker 2>anecdotal evidence of these experiences. So I can't just discount

955
00:56:59.440 --> 00:57:04.079
<v Speaker 2>them completely. And it's so widespread, So you know, I think,

956
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:06.039
<v Speaker 2>you know, I have to put some value in hypnotic

957
00:57:06.079 --> 00:57:08.000
<v Speaker 2>progression or else we wouldn't have used it, you know,

958
00:57:08.000 --> 00:57:09.679
<v Speaker 2>as one of the tools in our toolbox.

959
00:57:11.039 --> 00:57:13.840
<v Speaker 1>I just feel like whenever there's money involved, like people

960
00:57:13.920 --> 00:57:16.920
<v Speaker 1>will just do They'll just say whatever you want them

961
00:57:16.960 --> 00:57:19.079
<v Speaker 1>to say. Right, Like if you had a if you

962
00:57:19.079 --> 00:57:22.920
<v Speaker 1>wanted to get a regression because you thought that you

963
00:57:22.960 --> 00:57:26.599
<v Speaker 1>were abducted by aliens, right, alien regressionists, and they're going

964
00:57:26.679 --> 00:57:28.719
<v Speaker 1>to tell you that you were abducted by aliens. That's

965
00:57:28.800 --> 00:57:31.719
<v Speaker 1>essentially what you're paying them to do. Right, Because you

966
00:57:31.880 --> 00:57:34.239
<v Speaker 1>felt like that you were abducted by aliens and you

967
00:57:34.280 --> 00:57:38.800
<v Speaker 1>went to an alien abductionist, regressionist and then they told

968
00:57:38.840 --> 00:57:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you that you were abducted by aliens. So it's like

969
00:57:40.880 --> 00:57:44.320
<v Speaker 1>this this money transfer thing and any can it's exactly

970
00:57:44.400 --> 00:57:46.199
<v Speaker 1>like kind of what you talked about in one of

971
00:57:46.199 --> 00:57:48.960
<v Speaker 1>our very first shows that we ever did. And I've

972
00:57:49.039 --> 00:57:52.440
<v Speaker 1>used this a lot when talking about things like this,

973
00:57:52.679 --> 00:57:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Like if you take a paranormal investigator to go investigate

974
00:57:56.519 --> 00:57:59.679
<v Speaker 1>the paranormal, then they're nine times out of ten they're

975
00:57:59.679 --> 00:58:02.320
<v Speaker 1>going to find the paranormal, right right. You take a

976
00:58:02.360 --> 00:58:06.239
<v Speaker 1>bigfoot investigator out to that exact same place, then nine

977
00:58:06.280 --> 00:58:07.639
<v Speaker 1>times out of ten they're going to come back and

978
00:58:07.639 --> 00:58:08.639
<v Speaker 1>say that is bigfoot.

979
00:58:08.679 --> 00:58:08.760
<v Speaker 2>You know.

980
00:58:08.840 --> 00:58:11.280
<v Speaker 1>If you take a UFO investigator out to that exact

981
00:58:11.320 --> 00:58:13.840
<v Speaker 1>same place, then guess what they're going to come back with.

982
00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:15.840
<v Speaker 1>They're going to come back and say that it's aliens,

983
00:58:15.960 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 1>right right. So our preconceived notions a big role in

984
00:58:22.760 --> 00:58:24.559
<v Speaker 1>a lot of this stuff. So it almost seems like

985
00:58:25.480 --> 00:58:29.440
<v Speaker 1>whatever it is that you're into is whatever it is

986
00:58:29.480 --> 00:58:30.360
<v Speaker 1>that you're going to find.

987
00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.440
<v Speaker 2>And that's something we are very careful about, you know,

988
00:58:33.599 --> 00:58:35.960
<v Speaker 2>And are we perfect with it? No, we're not perfect,

989
00:58:36.000 --> 00:58:39.199
<v Speaker 2>but we try very hard not to front load our

990
00:58:39.239 --> 00:58:46.800
<v Speaker 2>experiences and our hypnotherapist is a licensed professional counselor you know,

991
00:58:46.920 --> 00:58:49.199
<v Speaker 2>a psychoanalyst, and he does this for a living, but

992
00:58:49.719 --> 00:58:53.639
<v Speaker 2>not not with a UFO centric focus or anything of

993
00:58:53.719 --> 00:58:57.599
<v Speaker 2>that on his practice. And we went with these hypnotic regressions,

994
00:58:58.239 --> 00:59:02.920
<v Speaker 2>hypnotic regressions with the idea of just let it go

995
00:59:03.000 --> 00:59:04.800
<v Speaker 2>where it goes. You know, if it turns out to

996
00:59:04.800 --> 00:59:07.840
<v Speaker 2>be absolutely nothing, hey, fine, that's that's absolutely cool. If

997
00:59:07.880 --> 00:59:10.360
<v Speaker 2>it turns out to be something, then maybe it's another

998
00:59:10.400 --> 00:59:13.840
<v Speaker 2>piece of the puzzle. Uh. And we did not go

999
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.840
<v Speaker 2>in to these particular this particular regression, you know, with

1000
00:59:17.960 --> 00:59:23.599
<v Speaker 2>the idea of an abduction phenomena. But yet you know,

1001
00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:26.800
<v Speaker 2>as it you know, as it matured, you know, the uh,

1002
00:59:27.280 --> 00:59:30.559
<v Speaker 2>the series of regressions, it starts to look like that.

1003
00:59:30.840 --> 00:59:32.719
<v Speaker 2>Now am I saying that's what it was. That's not

1004
00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:36.440
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying. But you know the old analogy. If

1005
00:59:36.440 --> 00:59:38.320
<v Speaker 2>it quacks like a duck and walks like a duck,

1006
00:59:38.400 --> 00:59:40.400
<v Speaker 2>you know, and has web feet, it might very well

1007
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:44.199
<v Speaker 2>be a duck. So you know, people can take that,

1008
00:59:44.599 --> 00:59:46.320
<v Speaker 2>you know, with a grain of salt and do with

1009
00:59:46.360 --> 00:59:55.800
<v Speaker 2>it what they will. I think you're muted again, And I.

1010
00:59:55.760 --> 00:59:57.400
<v Speaker 1>Got a lot of stuff going on in the background,

1011
00:59:57.400 --> 00:59:59.679
<v Speaker 1>people are preparing for dinner. So I'm just trying to

1012
01:00:00.159 --> 01:00:04.559
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry that they're that no extra noise comes through.

1013
01:00:07.639 --> 01:00:10.880
<v Speaker 1>That's just my personal opinion on you know, regression. That's

1014
01:00:10.960 --> 01:00:14.079
<v Speaker 1>just what I that I believe on regression. I think,

1015
01:00:14.679 --> 01:00:18.800
<v Speaker 1>if you know, people are being paid to do something,

1016
01:00:18.880 --> 01:00:22.440
<v Speaker 1>then they're going to end up finding that thing that

1017
01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:26.679
<v Speaker 1>they're ready to do, regardless if it actually happened or not.

1018
01:00:26.760 --> 01:00:31.159
<v Speaker 1>And I'm not saying that everybody does that because regression

1019
01:00:31.440 --> 01:00:33.920
<v Speaker 1>has been used for a really long time in a

1020
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:35.119
<v Speaker 1>therapeutical sense.

1021
01:00:36.400 --> 01:00:38.840
<v Speaker 2>In our in our therapist is pro bono. You know,

1022
01:00:38.880 --> 01:00:41.320
<v Speaker 2>he's part of our team, so he you know, noting

1023
01:00:41.519 --> 01:00:42.800
<v Speaker 2>no money exchanges hands.

1024
01:00:43.159 --> 01:00:46.119
<v Speaker 1>Good. That's good to hear. It's actually really good to

1025
01:00:46.159 --> 01:00:49.079
<v Speaker 1>hear it because, like I said, bro, like, if if

1026
01:00:49.119 --> 01:00:52.960
<v Speaker 1>you're going to it an alien abduction regressionists and you're

1027
01:00:53.000 --> 01:00:58.280
<v Speaker 1>paying that alien reduction regressionists three hundred dollars, yeah, like

1028
01:00:58.880 --> 01:01:02.559
<v Speaker 1>they're going to tell you that, Yeah, you you saw

1029
01:01:02.639 --> 01:01:04.639
<v Speaker 1>the Grays, you were abducted, you were on the ship,

1030
01:01:04.679 --> 01:01:08.400
<v Speaker 1>you got hybrid children. They milked your milk, your seed,

1031
01:01:08.559 --> 01:01:10.280
<v Speaker 1>or took you you know what I mean, took your

1032
01:01:10.320 --> 01:01:12.639
<v Speaker 1>eggs and you had all this stuff going on, right.

1033
01:01:12.920 --> 01:01:16.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. He actually our guy actually loses money because you know,

1034
01:01:16.360 --> 01:01:18.719
<v Speaker 2>our folks are in his office taking up his time,

1035
01:01:19.360 --> 01:01:21.360
<v Speaker 2>you know, where you could have paying patience. So yeah,

1036
01:01:21.360 --> 01:01:23.400
<v Speaker 2>that's that's a good That's a very good point though,

1037
01:01:24.480 --> 01:01:26.519
<v Speaker 2>is you know people will you know, they want to

1038
01:01:26.559 --> 01:01:28.559
<v Speaker 2>give you know, if you pay for a steak, they

1039
01:01:28.599 --> 01:01:30.519
<v Speaker 2>don't want to give you hamburger. They want to give

1040
01:01:30.519 --> 01:01:31.039
<v Speaker 2>you a steak.

1041
01:01:31.519 --> 01:01:35.199
<v Speaker 1>That's right. Yeah, could you imagine like that that's the

1042
01:01:35.239 --> 01:01:37.280
<v Speaker 1>way that it worked, Like if you just you know,

1043
01:01:37.480 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 1>you're you're paying for a service and then you got

1044
01:01:40.000 --> 01:01:41.320
<v Speaker 1>a completely different service.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well Tray, thanks so much for coming on. Brother.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, wow, that went by quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I went by really quickly. The uh yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>kind of we're doing Thanksgiving dinner early this year, so

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<v Speaker 1>we're not doing it on Thanksgiving, so we're doing it today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I got my sweater on man things sweater.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you dressed up for me.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I did, Maybe I did. Maybe some train things

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<v Speaker 1>seem to align. Synchronicities all coming to the other right now,

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<v Speaker 1>could you let people know where they can find your

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<v Speaker 1>books and where they can watch the documentary one more time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh, you can go to my uh my, my

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<v Speaker 2>personal web page. That's Trey Hudson Research dot com and

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<v Speaker 2>they have the links to everything on there. But I'll

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<v Speaker 2>break the links down individually. Book number one The Metal

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<v Speaker 2>Project and book number two Return to the Meadow or

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<v Speaker 2>both on Amazon dot com. You just type my name

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<v Speaker 2>Trey Hudson into the search bar and those books will

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<v Speaker 2>pop up there, available in all the formats. The film,

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<v Speaker 2>both The Metal Project and the add on documentary Helm

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<v Speaker 2>and Lens are available at Merklefilms dot com and just

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<v Speaker 2>click on that and there that's there for purchase. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>really happy with the film. Everybody that's seen it, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>uh you know, really really seem to like it. So,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, I just ask that people, uh you go

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<v Speaker 2>out there and take a look at these and I

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<v Speaker 2>always recommend people if they the full Meadow Project experience

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<v Speaker 2>is read both the books and see the film and

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<v Speaker 2>you'll get a much more uh you know, depth of

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<v Speaker 2>understanding of exactly what we're dealing there, and you're you're

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<v Speaker 2>you know, buying these films and books helps us with

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<v Speaker 2>the research because we're completely self.

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<v Speaker 1>Funded, absolutely always try and tell people to support independent

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<v Speaker 1>people and their work and support these giant corporations that

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<v Speaker 1>have all this backing and stuff, because it's the only

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<v Speaker 1>way that we can continue to go forward. So whenever

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<v Speaker 1>I bring people on that are making movies, whenever I'm

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<v Speaker 1>making movies, and you know, it's time to support those people.

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<v Speaker 1>So the link is in the description to watch the

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<v Speaker 1>documentary and highly recommended. It is a really good experience.

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<v Speaker 1>Highly enjoyed it. And in the footage. Some of the

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<v Speaker 1>footage that we showed today is in the documentary, not

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<v Speaker 1>all of it, so you kind of got a sneak

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<v Speaker 1>peek there of some things that weren't shown. But more importantly,

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<v Speaker 1>what did you guys think? Leave your comments in the

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<v Speaker 1>comments section and let us know your thoughts on and

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<v Speaker 1>please leave that in the comments as well. Please be

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<v Speaker 1>next time. Okay,