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Speaker 1: You're listening to a classic edition of the Unknown Origins

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Radio show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: Hi, this is barniefas Jerald from GHOS Hunters International, and

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you're listening to Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 3: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts

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and spirits wander through our physical existence. Unknown creatures lurk

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and the shadows, and strange lights and craft dominate our skies.

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Credible eyewitnesses are convinced these things are real, yet modern

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science refuses to acknowledge their existence. So it's up to

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individual researchers to search for the truth. Welcome to Unknown

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Speaker 1: Good evening, everybody, and welcome to another edition of Unknown

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Origins Radio where we talk about everything having to do

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with the strange and paranormal. I'm your host, Mark Johnson

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and joining me as our co host Lauren de Pinto.

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How are you doing tonight, Lauren?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing really really well.

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Speaker 5: Mark.

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Speaker 4: What's going on?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Well, despite the fact that you know, I hate Skype,

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I hate it with a passion and like our weather

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out to me that we do everything right. We do

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a sound check, we test everything, and then all heck

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know what, better late than never. We're here on the

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air tonight. I just want to point out for everyone

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Speaker 4: We do. It's a lot of fun. I love that

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new setup. Did a good job.

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Speaker 1: Oh thank you, Pat myself on the back thereat.

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Speaker 4: Now. I don't know if we're going to go right

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into speaking with Chase, but I wanted to kind of

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bring up really quick that that airline, that that airplane

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that's missing about that, Yes, the Malaysian Airline.

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Speaker 5: Yeah I believe it was terrorism.

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Speaker 4: Oh I think so too.

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Speaker 1: You know, they have those two guys that had stolen passports.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but they said that in the news that

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that was happening. That seems to happen on a frequent basis,

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where people you know, coming to with stolen passports and

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that they have explosives, so that's that's a bit bizarre.

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board the flight, so there's a lot of you know,

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question marks surrounding this, especially where is the airplane. You know,

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they have so many people scouring the ocean.

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Speaker 1: Well, if the airplane, if it exploded, it might have

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disintegrated and then those pieces hit the ocean and sink

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and then that's it. That's true, So who knows. It's

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a shame. This is unfortunately the world we live in.

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I don't know what the hell happened to it. I'm

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Speaker 5: Hit a ride. You know, I'm ready to get out

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Speaker 1: But I also want to mention, you know, you heard

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our promo at the beginning of the show. We have

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Phenomicon coming up in literally a month from today.

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Speaker 4: Well, for me, it would be a month from yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Well we're arriving a month, we're arriving the night before.

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But yet it's in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, April tenth through the

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you know mystery. Yes, yes, that's that's going to be

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Speaker 1: So with that said, let's go ahead and get into

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our show. We have a great guest tonight. Our guest

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is a longtime friend of ours. We used to be

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Speaker 5: Were on K g Ray.

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and another show that she currently also co hosts called

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Encounters with a lineup of other great ufologists, Race Hobbes,

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our great friend, Race and Richard Dole and Mac maloney.

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So we're really excited to welcome Chase Klotsky to the

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Speaker 5: How are you tonight, Chase.

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Speaker 2: I am so happy to be here tonight with you, guys.

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I love visiting Dark Matter Radio and Unknown Origins of course.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, welcome.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're glad to have you, and I invited you

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not only because you know we would love talking to you.

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You're such a great person and you do a lot

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of great adventures. And the one specifically that you recently

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went on, which is a subject very dear to my heart.

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I'm fascinated with this is you took a trip down

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to South America, and I was wondering if you could

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start by telling us what prompted that trip and what

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were you hoping to get out of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, the trip was prompted probably by most definitely, not

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probably definitely La Marzouli and La and Richard Shaw are

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most famous for doing. It's a documentary series called Watchers,

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and they're killing it out here. These guys have presented

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more physical and trace evidence into the UFO phenomena as

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well as many others. They discuss everything from the shroud

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of tour into the Bible code, prophecies, paranormal black eyed children,

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if it's unknown, they're covering it in this documentary that

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they've produced and it's mega successful. Well, La has been

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on the trail for the Nephileam, which he believes is

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and he has been researching giants and these elongated skulls

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and he had run across a video from Brian Forrester

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down in Peru, Paracas, Peru, and he just with him.

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of these megalithic structures, the pyramids, and to examine hands

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some results, very very preliminary results came forward just as

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more of this investigation. We did everything from Inca stones

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we worked hard. We were there about three and a

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean what I love is and I recommend

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Facebook page the pictures that you were posting on your

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trip and when you got back, you're hitting all those

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many ways to be standing in front of some of

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these structures that you know, I've seen on TV and

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read about for decades, and it was shocking. And there

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like the big h blocks at Puma Puku. I don't

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the Yeah it's his dinky little idol because they're only

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Speaker 5: I thought they were like five feet tall or something.

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things are much more epic in person, and it was

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an extraordinary trip, it really was.

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Speaker 5: Now.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's so much mystery surrounding these sites down

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there from the NOSCA lines really made famous by Eric

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more research shows that it could possibly be some type

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earth geometrics. They're they're finding some of these lines that

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reveal from Eric Vondanagan. But you know, thank goodness that

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we have, you know, people out here, brave, brave researchers

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and academics that aren't afraid to go against the grain

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and stand up and say, wait a minute, okay, what

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never heard anyone question and something from a Bible or

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that a lot of people don't realize. Everybody, you know,

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especially a lot of his naysayers and skeptics, go, oh yeah, well,

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Speaker 5: Why is this here? Why?

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Speaker 1: You know, he asked a lot of why questions or

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what ifs, and just postulated these theories and ideas. He

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was aliens, but it was aliens.

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Speaker 2: I love that guy, and.

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Speaker 1: It's it's there was a about a year or so ago,

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you know, ceremonies. And I'm watching this program and I

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just really wanted to find a large rock and throw

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it through my TV and go, how stupid do you

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guys have to be considering serious?

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Speaker 2: Except honestly when you're talking. One of the best things

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just it's just really fun to listen to how different

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their interpretation of a lot of these humongous, humongous discoveries

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and what the Peruvian people think of them.

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Speaker 1: Well, see, I'm I've been leaning towards a lot of

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these theories, especially a lot of these structures down there

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in South America, in Peru and nearby where's where was

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Puma Punku located?

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Speaker 2: Again, that's in Bolivia, Bolivia.

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Speaker 5: Okay, it's right over in Bolivia.

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Speaker 1: And you know, I'm of the opinion not so much

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of as these days. I do believe human beings did

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the a lot of these structures and maybe even carved

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the Nosca lines.

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Speaker 5: But it's I leaned.

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Speaker 1: Towards the fact that I think that there were way

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more advanced human civilizations back then that were older than

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we think than what science would tell us. That maybe

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we used to be a hell of a lot smarter

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and had higher levels of technology. And let's face it,

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if there's a natural disaster or we destroy ourselves, hello,

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to war that you know, and we all have to

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start over again.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you hear you hear of the wars that they

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talk about.

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Speaker 1: In the UH, the the Indian Epics and the you

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know where they talk about what sounds like nuclear war

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and flying machines and missiles and and you know, who's

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to say that there weren't some of these big wars

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or catastrophes that kind of re booted us as a

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race and we had to start all over again.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly the conclusion most of us are coming to

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when you visit and examine these sites. First of all,

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these are not tombs, you know where the royals were buried,

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and some of these pyramids, these were functional buildings of mechanics.

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that today we cannot duplicate without serious attention and the

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most advanced engineering methodologies and planning, and then let's bring

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in the big trucks, you have to come to that conclusion.

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Either we were helped by higher intelligence or you're exactly

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right that there was an exance civilization that we just

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haven't discovered yet, because it is very apparent. The other

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thing that I was personally shocked and was, you know,

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working with la on a theory, is literally when you there,

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the first thing you noticed are some of these structures

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are thrown. They're literally it looks like somebody put this

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big piece of dynamite or something and just blasted these

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things all over the place. Because that's exactly what we found,

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and so you kind of it makes you wonder, and

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you have to examine alternative theories. You can't just say

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aliens did it and that's it, you know, And that's

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what we do with LA. I was kicking and screaming,

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you guys, because I'm a eufologist. I'm nuts and bolts evidence,

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you know. I've been doing this for twenty years, and

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now I'm with a group that's saying, we don't think

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they're you know, aliens from polates Chase. We think that

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these are the fallen angels that are documented in ancient

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texts going way back in many religions. We know giants

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were here on the earth, and we believe that this

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is the nepheline and the technology of these fallen angels,

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which are eternal beings with a massive amount of technological

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knowledge and a universal view that were cast down. Now,

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when you have that kind of knowledge, but you know,

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you're kind of stuck here. I kind of think of

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like a seal team being sent to a very remote island.

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you know, communications and things like this. You know, a shelter,

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places to organize and meet and plan, but they'd have

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to use the tools that were available, so versus the big,

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you know, fancy buildings that they used to Now with

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all the air conditioning, they may just have to use

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a grass hut for a while, but it still probably

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would offer more intelligence than you know, the natives that

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are you know, soon to come after well.

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Speaker 1: You know, in these you mentioned these old stories of

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the of the the watchers, the Nephelam fallen angels. And again,

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are we talking about other races of beings coming from

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the stars or are we talking about again possibly more

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advanced forms of human beings possibly you know, maybe there

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or were isolated pockets of more advanced civilizations and the

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more primitive civilizations, and who knows if they've overlapped, if

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there was some types of experiments or cross breeding. I mean,

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there is the theories that you know, alien races played

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a hand in creating the human race to begin with.

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Maybe it's a mixture of both. I don't know. I

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do seem to want to lean more towards most of

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what we're finding to possibly be we are the ones

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who created it, but we certainly had a lot different

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knowledge back then.

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Speaker 2: You have to follow the evidence. That's the tough part.

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And when you listen to some of the theories, and

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of course some of the greats that came before is

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like Jay Allen Heinich and Jacques Vala and David Jacobs,

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you know, in his over thirty years of studying examining,

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you know, regression, which I'm not a big fan of,

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but you know, all the study that he's done with

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the abductees and the information he's gathered, they've all come

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to pretty much a few conclusions that are similar to

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each other, which is the same one I have. One,

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They're probably not coming here on a full tank of

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gas and a red bull, so they're most likely dimensional

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and using jump technology and quantum physics type advancement to

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get here. And number two, whatever is the agenda isn't

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good for us. Jay Allen, Heinek, Jacques Valais, they all

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agreed they're most likely demonic beings that are described in

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our Bible. That these are a race of beings. You know,

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if you kind of get take out that image that

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we've been given of these angels as spirits with wings

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and all this, and realize that this is probably you know,

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flesh and blood species that is much different than humans.

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Of course they are they be human, you know that

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they were cast down. They were sent down here, they

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had sex with human women, created a hybrid race. We

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know that typically hybrids cannot reproduce. Oh my gosh, we're

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just falling into a rabbit hole, aren't we, guys? Right?

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Speaker 4: That's great, keep going, it's.

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Speaker 2: It's you know, these are theories that we have to

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seriously look into with the same tenacity and vigor as

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we have the nuts and bolts of community, because truthfully,

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in fifty years in that community, we have no more

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evidence than what is being presented through the you know,

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angelic theory. It's just amazing stuff. And I'm kicking and

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screaming you guys, because I do not want it to

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be there. But even my my evidence, the things I've seen,

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the conclusions I have to come with as we're discovering

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DNA samples and seeing these things, I'm falling into camp,

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kicking and screaming.

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Speaker 5: Yeah. I have.

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Speaker 1: In the last ten years or so, I've had my

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beliefs drastically changed from being just a paranormal researcher looking

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at ghosts to totally expanding my paradigm and my worldview

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on all subjects, and instead of staying with the tried

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and true tradition of what tradition tells us these things are.

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I've broken away from the pack, so to speak. And

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again I'm speaking for me, not for Lauren, because you know,

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even Lauren and I we sometimes go at it in debating.

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But for again, for me personal I lean towards multi

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dimensional or interdimensional. For most of these I don't follow. Again,

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this is my opinion. I don't follow with the whole

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demonic angelic thing. I think that's ways of that we've

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learned to describe certain things, and we're still trying to

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kind of look at the religious aspects of it. When

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if you really look at nature, if you really look

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in what surrounds us, some things may look good from

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one angle, some things may look evil from another angle.

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I mean, you have a nice kiddy cat at home,

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and he's all sweet, and this is what happened with

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one of my cats last night, all sweet and cuddling prairie.

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But you know what, he walks in from the garage

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and he has a mouse in a hey and he

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kills it.

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Speaker 5: And so what is he? Is he bad? Or is

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he good? You know, it's he just is.

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Speaker 1: And so I think we're a little too quick to

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want to point at things and say they're not good

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for us, they're bad for us, or they have an

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evil agenda. But we may not be able to comprehend

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that agenda, because if they are more advanced than us,

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then we may not be able to understand what their

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reasoning really is.

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Speaker 2: I agree, it's why we're on the trail. It's this

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is still such anomalous, you know theory. There's so much

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going on out there, and you know, whether you're a

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paranormal investigator, you know, looking for strange creatures, these reports

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are epic. They are almost epidemic levels. They're not going away.

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They're reported by honest, for credible people. We could, you know,

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talk about the astronauts and the police officers and military,

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all the people that were known and told to trust.

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But let's not forget the little Christian grandmother you know

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that has this little farm and you know the backwoods

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of Tennessee, that wouldn't lie to save her life telling

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you about a UFO event. There's just way too much

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going on. It's not slowing down, it is burgeoning. And

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thank goodness that we have a little behind us, because wow,

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don't we love our jobs?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I just waited they paid better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah for real, Well, you know, most of our loves,

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you know, if my husband loves golf, and that costs

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us a fortune every time he likes to go as

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often as he does. So I guess our passions are

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supposed to hit a little harder than maybe a work living.

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I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, if we could find a way

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to make it pay without seeming too opportunistic, because I

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would do this full time if I could, because that's

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how passionate I am about the subjects.

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Speaker 5: That's my passion.

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Speaker 1: It is.

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Speaker 5: It is, say, if you all want to pay me

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to do this, feel free pay me.

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Speaker 4: That'd be nice.

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Speaker 1: But you know it's also for me, it's really important

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to try to get to the truth and find out

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what that is. And you know, there were a lot

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of concepts I thought, Well, I remember originally reading, you know,

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when Whitley Strieber first came out with Communion and then

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his follow up, Transformation, which I thought really was a

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me even better book because it really delved into more

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personal of the contact experience for him. And I remember

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there was one thing he mentioned in his book about

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they took him on the craft, and they opened up

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this drawer and in the drawer were what looked there

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were alien bodies stacked in the drawer that looked like

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they were dead, but they were laying there. And he

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said that these beings seemed really happy to show this

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to him. And it started that incident alone started me

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thinking about the fact that could these beings, or these

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what we see as the grays or other races of

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these aliens being multi dimensional or maybe what would even

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consider existing on a spiritual existence. The way that they

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interact in this world is to have these temporary bodies

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like I like to call meat suits, yes, to come

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in and they're able to inhabit and work and interact

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with us in this environment.

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Speaker 2: Well, and let's not forget in his original book, and

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I am quoting, I felt an absolutely indescribable sense of menace.

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It was hell on earth to be there in the

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presence of these entities. And yet I couldn't move, I

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couldn't cry out, I couldn't get away. I lay as

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still as death, suffering inner agonies. Whatever there seemed to be,

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whatever was there, seemed so monstrously ugly, so filthy and

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dark and sinister. Of course, they were demons, they had

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to be and they were here and I could not

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get away. That was in his book Communion. So I

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often wonder when we're examining, you know, the full reports

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of abductees, their initial thoughts and reports, when they first

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started realizing abduction was happening, and then you see many

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of them take on a progression of almost Stockholm syndrome

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where they start identifying with the beings and then pretty

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soon well, they're so lucky it was a good thing,

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and there's they're here for humanity. Well I don't know

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about you, but to me, the whole thing sounds like

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a deception and brainwashing. And it's human nature to have

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kind of that syndrome where you start identifying with something.

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But in most cases these abductee reports are horrific, and

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they're terrified and they were taken against their will. That

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is not a good thing.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of if in the work of doctor

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John Mack and in Dolores Dolorus Cannon, who both using

477
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:42,559
hypnotherapy or hypnosis hypnotic regression to take these experiences back

478
00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:44,839
and talking about their experiences.

479
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:47,720
Speaker 5: There are a lot of these.

480
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: People and again you mentioned that you have an issue

481
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,519
with the whole hypnotherapy.

482
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:52,640
Speaker 5: Angle of it.

483
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:53,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a fan.

484
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, so you.

485
00:27:56,039 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 1: Know, it's not a proven fact what these people what

486
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,279
they're coming up with. There are problems with it. But

487
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,640
a lot of people who were interviewed by doctor mac

488
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,680
and also by Dolores Cannon, who talk about the fact

489
00:28:07,759 --> 00:28:12,039
that they agreed to this either on a subconscious level,

490
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:15,000
spiritual level, or before they even came into this lifetime.

491
00:28:15,759 --> 00:28:19,240
And you know, whether that is a false memory being

492
00:28:19,279 --> 00:28:24,759
imprinted to regurgitate later to justify it, or whether it's real.

493
00:28:24,839 --> 00:28:28,799
We have no idea, you know, are these things is

494
00:28:28,839 --> 00:28:31,599
what we would what we consider to be evil and

495
00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:35,480
menacing be actually just something that's beyond our comprehension. And

496
00:28:35,519 --> 00:28:37,359
that's how the only way we can interpret it.

497
00:28:38,319 --> 00:28:41,200
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and I know that there's a lot of truth

498
00:28:41,279 --> 00:28:45,400
to that. And as you know, technology advances, and you know,

499
00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,839
our computers you help us get smarter, and we're faster,

500
00:28:49,039 --> 00:28:53,319
and information is at our fingertips at lightning speed. You know,

501
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,440
I believe we're getting closer to the answers we've never

502
00:28:56,599 --> 00:29:01,119
experienced as a human race, a technological bo and advancement

503
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,480
that affected all of humanity ever as fast as we

504
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:11,440
have in the last what seventy five years. It's incredible

505
00:29:11,519 --> 00:29:14,359
pace that we're on, and I do believe that we're,

506
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:18,319
you know, gearing up for a crescendo. Whatever that is.

507
00:29:18,359 --> 00:29:21,440
It could be disclosure, because our government's not going to

508
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,799
give us that information. It is going to take an

509
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:28,359
event that they cannot explain away. It is coming. I

510
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:33,119
believe disclosure is on its way, and I'm not sure

511
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:36,559
that we're actually going to like the answer whatever that

512
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:36,880
may be.

513
00:29:37,839 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 4: And are we ready for it, really well.

514
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:42,599
Speaker 1: That's going to be a big This is where I

515
00:29:42,599 --> 00:29:45,799
don't think disclosure is ever going to come up.

516
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 5: I don't think, you know, it would even.

517
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: If aliens landed on the White House lawn, they'd find

518
00:29:51,279 --> 00:29:53,880
a way to tell you that it was our imaginations,

519
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,599
because I think they've got their hands on technology and

520
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,480
they know things. They absolutely do not want a sheep

521
00:30:01,519 --> 00:30:05,119
all to know about it, and they're going to deny, deny, deny, deny.

522
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:08,400
And even if other governments like the UK or Canada

523
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:11,400
or France or any of them come out and disclose

524
00:30:11,640 --> 00:30:14,599
UFO information here in America and in the United States,

525
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,079
it is still laughed at by the media. You know,

526
00:30:18,119 --> 00:30:20,480
which is run by the government, whether we want to

527
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:24,160
admit it or not. And the government itself they say

528
00:30:24,279 --> 00:30:28,680
UFOs do not exist, when we have the overwhelming amount

529
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:29,599
of evidence.

530
00:30:29,680 --> 00:30:30,599
Speaker 5: That says it does.

531
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:35,519
Speaker 1: And when you talk about the you know, the evil,

532
00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:38,519
whether these aliens are evil, and how people react to it.

533
00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:40,640
I mean, we had a great guest on last week.

534
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:43,480
Or name is Sonny Williams, and Sonny, I know you're

535
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:47,160
listening tonight, I see in the chat room and she

536
00:30:47,160 --> 00:30:51,920
she is a long time alien experience R abductee and

537
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,039
she runs a group down in Texas called Lights in

538
00:30:54,079 --> 00:30:54,799
the Texas Sky.

539
00:30:55,559 --> 00:30:57,799
Speaker 5: And she was telling us this one.

540
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:01,640
Speaker 1: Part where she woke up in bed, she was paralyzed,

541
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,519
and there was these creatures standing around the bed, almost

542
00:31:05,559 --> 00:31:08,720
like in hooded robes, and you can almost take almost

543
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:13,559
the satanic demonic imagery from it because they're wearing these

544
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:17,319
black robes covering their faces and they're repeating over and

545
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:21,839
over again saying, you are not cooperating, you are not cooperating.

546
00:31:22,319 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 5: And this went on.

547
00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:25,759
Speaker 1: She said that she was able to see the clock

548
00:31:25,799 --> 00:31:29,319
and not move for two hours, two solid hours, and

549
00:31:29,359 --> 00:31:33,079
then finally this other being walks in one of the

550
00:31:33,720 --> 00:31:36,039
large ones that they talk about. The eight foot tall

551
00:31:36,079 --> 00:31:39,119
one had to bow down to come in the doorway

552
00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:41,599
and walks up and gets right in her face, and

553
00:31:42,319 --> 00:31:46,160
she hears in her husband's voice saying it's gonna be okay.

554
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:48,119
Speaker 5: I'll take care of you.

555
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,720
Speaker 1: Well, she reacted very violently to that. She actually was

556
00:31:51,759 --> 00:31:54,680
able to break free enough to strike the creature on

557
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:59,680
the shoulder and it left kind of upset. And then

558
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,160
these left, but you know, again, they tormented her for

559
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,799
two hours. She said it felt like torture, and then

560
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:08,920
this being comes in trying to tell her it's going

561
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,640
to be okay, and she didn't by that point, she

562
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:12,359
didn't want to hear it.

563
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't blame her. That's a shocking account and

564
00:32:17,599 --> 00:32:20,200
very brave for her to come forward and share her story,

565
00:32:20,279 --> 00:32:23,440
because I guarantee there are many others out here that

566
00:32:23,599 --> 00:32:27,319
may know exactly the feeling or what she went through. So,

567
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:30,240
you know, kudos to her and big pat in the back.

568
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:33,000
I'd hug her if I saw her, But you know,

569
00:32:33,079 --> 00:32:37,839
this is what we hear over and over and I

570
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,319
don't like it. I don't like it, and to me,

571
00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,720
it's you know, you kind of wonder are there good aliens,

572
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:49,319
bad aliens, you know, good angels, bad angels. It doesn't

573
00:32:49,359 --> 00:32:52,559
matter if they're affect in humanity and we're under some

574
00:32:52,599 --> 00:32:56,720
sort of manipulation, even with them changing our genome or

575
00:32:56,960 --> 00:32:59,960
a hybrid program, this is all done without our permission,

576
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:03,599
and I just it's wrong. It's it's not part of

577
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:07,440
are what we consider our God given right of free will,

578
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:11,039
and for us to be treated this way, it's no

579
00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:15,920
different than how we treat our cattle, our dolphins, our

580
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:19,519
little whales at sea world. And you know, maybe it's

581
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,039
just the way it is in the cosmos. You know,

582
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:25,359
it's kind of that question that I still suffer with

583
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:29,720
today with God, and that is is God powerful because

584
00:33:29,759 --> 00:33:33,640
he's right? Or is he right because he's powerful?

585
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:37,079
Speaker 1: Depends on if you're looking at the Older New Testament.

586
00:33:38,440 --> 00:33:40,759
In the Old Testament, he says do as I say

587
00:33:40,799 --> 00:33:41,559
and shut up.

588
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 5: You know. That's that's basically it. I had a thought

589
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,359
there and now went out when hear and out the other.

590
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: These If you look at say, we have our pets,

591
00:33:55,319 --> 00:33:57,119
you know, we think look at them as part of

592
00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:57,720
our family.

593
00:33:57,759 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 5: Our dogs or cats.

594
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:03,119
Speaker 1: Are gerbils, you know, and they get sick or they

595
00:34:03,119 --> 00:34:04,680
need shots, whatever, what do we do?

596
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,440
Speaker 5: We take them to the vet. Have you known any

597
00:34:07,480 --> 00:34:09,880
animal who likes to go to the vet? They are

598
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:11,159
scared to death?

599
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:15,039
Speaker 2: Are they self aware? See? This is I think that's

600
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:19,760
the difference. We know that elephants have a self awareness,

601
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:24,079
whales and dolphins, you know, so they do understand that

602
00:34:24,159 --> 00:34:27,400
they don't have a choice, you know, And I think

603
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:31,519
that's the difference. You know, humanity, humans, we are different.

604
00:34:32,199 --> 00:34:36,440
We're set apart, and it's because of that intellect and

605
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:41,840
self awareness and morality codes that are supposed to put

606
00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:43,000
us in charge somehow.

607
00:34:44,199 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 1: At the same time, though, the argument could be made

608
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:51,800
that we're we are taking the pets to the vet

609
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:55,719
for their own good and the pets don't know that.

610
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,480
They don't they can't comprehend that. Now, again, we are

611
00:34:59,519 --> 00:35:04,199
more and we have that self awareness and consciousness that's

612
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:07,199
different from the animals. But if you're looking, if you

613
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:11,719
want to compare that to us and a more intelligent species,

614
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,079
what do they know or what do they comprehend that

615
00:35:14,199 --> 00:35:15,679
we don't and maybe we can't.

616
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,599
Speaker 2: I do absolutely understand what you're saying, and that is

617
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,039
part of you know, some of the things that we

618
00:35:22,159 --> 00:35:26,199
consider when we're trying to conclude certain cases absolutely, Mark,

619
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,440
it's you know, it's a tough science. It's a tough, tough,

620
00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:33,119
tough phenomenon to look into. It's unknown. It's why science

621
00:35:33,159 --> 00:35:36,239
doesn't address it. Science wants two and two to equal four,

622
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,639
and they can prove that over and over and over again. However,

623
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:45,119
we all know that unusual things, extraordinary things happen to

624
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,880
very credible people every single day. Science can't explain it,

625
00:35:49,159 --> 00:35:52,639
so they brush it away. But it doesn't take away

626
00:35:52,679 --> 00:35:57,119
that these things do happen. And you know, so thank goodness,

627
00:35:57,159 --> 00:35:59,800
you know we're here, we're talking about it, we're sharing stories,

628
00:36:00,159 --> 00:36:03,039
and we're trying to find the answers and the only

629
00:36:03,079 --> 00:36:04,760
way we're going to get them is to get on

630
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,320
that trail. Get the boots on the ground. Let's go out.

631
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,719
We need to cooperate with one another. Stop the little

632
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:14,400
freaking drama, queen, you know, jilted drama.

633
00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

634
00:36:16,039 --> 00:36:19,159
Speaker 2: And you know we get along and share. You guys

635
00:36:19,159 --> 00:36:22,519
don't care if I'm on another network. We're independent broadcasters.

636
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:25,639
We're doing something that you're not going to hear on

637
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,559
mainstream media. We're getting the word out to the public

638
00:36:28,599 --> 00:36:31,320
wherever they want to go. That's their choice, and thank

639
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:32,760
goodness they have options.

640
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:34,679
Speaker 5: But this is.

641
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 2: Exactly how we're going to get answers, and we're going

642
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,760
to do it together before any one person has it

643
00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:41,679
all by himself.

644
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:45,519
Speaker 1: And you know that's we have an uphill battle too,

645
00:36:45,599 --> 00:36:49,800
because we are fighting the media onslaught, We're fighting the

646
00:36:50,599 --> 00:36:56,320
you know, the distractions that are being put out every

647
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,639
other day to dumb us down and not ask questions

648
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:04,599
and go with the flow. I mean I constantly point

649
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:06,639
this out to people, like if you walk down the street,

650
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,639
if you're in a mall, at a bus stop, look

651
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:12,119
at everybody around you and they've got their cell phone

652
00:37:12,119 --> 00:37:14,440
in front of their face, three inches from their face,

653
00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:18,400
surfing the web and staring into that. And I always

654
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:22,320
go back to my favorite B movie from the eighties

655
00:37:22,559 --> 00:37:25,880
that they live with Rowdy Roddy Piper. You know, you

656
00:37:25,920 --> 00:37:29,840
put on the sunglasses and you see, like, obey, see

657
00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:33,440
the money, this is your God. And you know, we're

658
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:38,199
so distracted and we have so much to dumbest down

659
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:39,639
to not ask questions.

660
00:37:40,599 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: Well, when season three of Honey Booboo outrank the ben

661
00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:48,039
Gtzi breaking story, kill me, We're in trouble.

662
00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:50,519
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's sad, that's pathetic.

663
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,199
Speaker 5: It's like, wake up people.

664
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:55,559
Speaker 1: I mean, there are times I just get so angry

665
00:37:55,639 --> 00:37:58,079
I want to start using stronger language. But I promised

666
00:37:58,119 --> 00:37:59,360
Keith i'd keep it clean, so.

667
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 2: He runs a clean ship.

668
00:38:02,159 --> 00:38:05,840
Speaker 4: Darn it.

669
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very, very frustrating. So yeah, getting back to

670
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,679
to your your trip down there. You know, so what

671
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:15,440
are some of the other places that you saw? Now

672
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,719
you saw Pumapuku and the NASCAR lines and you.

673
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: Went tos were great by the way.

674
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:21,599
Speaker 5: Two.

675
00:38:22,199 --> 00:38:24,880
Speaker 4: You know, me being somewhat of a photographer, I really

676
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:27,239
but you know, I have to say something. You know,

677
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,000
that's supposed to be the it's believed to be the

678
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:32,360
site where the world was created, but it seems so

679
00:38:32,599 --> 00:38:36,159
simple out there. It seems so muted almost, you know.

680
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,920
Speaker 2: It still is. My goodness, We're standing at the foothills

681
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,400
of the Andes and you know, at one point where

682
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:47,199
you know, thirteen thousand feet you know, up this mountain

683
00:38:47,639 --> 00:38:52,320
which is you know, Puma Puku and Tiwanaku, and it

684
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:55,719
was just incredible some of the things that go on

685
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,960
because it's still a third world country and as we're

686
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,440
traveling through, so you know, thank goodness. We had a

687
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,800
few heads up, but there are ATMs. There's no Walmart.

688
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,320
You can't run to the local CVS if you run

689
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,480
out of aspirin. It's just so different. Even the foods

690
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,840
in the restaurants. Walking down the plaza and they're set

691
00:39:18,920 --> 00:39:21,159
up tables and this lady's selling the bread that she

692
00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:23,760
made that morning, and the other lady, you know, brought

693
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:28,400
fruit from her farm. And it was so incredible the experience.

694
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:35,599
But being with the Peruvian people and the bolivianos, it

695
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,519
was just amazing because they're so open and they find

696
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:43,800
us strange. And I remember, as you know, just over

697
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,960
the years looking at National Geographic and some of the

698
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:50,199
shows and magazines and seeing the Peruvian people and the

699
00:39:50,199 --> 00:39:53,840
big skirts and the very colorful braids with the little extensions.

700
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:59,639
They still dress exactly the same. Their traditions haven't changed much,

701
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,760
and it is we At one point we're in Changos,

702
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:06,960
which is this necropolis, and it's as far as your

703
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:10,159
I can see. All you see is desert and it's hot,

704
00:40:10,280 --> 00:40:13,320
and it's this beautiful white sand, but there are human

705
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:18,039
remains littered everywhere. And some of those photos I put up,

706
00:40:18,039 --> 00:40:20,159
I think some people thought these were remains that we

707
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,800
dug up and just left on top, you know, for

708
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:27,119
GPS location or something. No, that is what it looked like.

709
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,079
We were stepping on, you know, two thousand year old

710
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:34,840
pottery and human remains, and you're running across. I mean,

711
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,320
we're digging up our own elongated skulls. You know, when

712
00:40:39,360 --> 00:40:44,679
we talk about the investigation and the forensic sampling we

713
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,320
did on these, you know, most people think one or

714
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,679
two skulls. I promise you we looked at hundreds, hundreds

715
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,400
of these skulls. Some of them we dug up ourselves.

716
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,119
And it's not hard. We didn't even have a shuffle,

717
00:40:58,639 --> 00:41:00,920
you know, just kind of get in the sand and

718
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:05,280
oh my gosh, here's the femur. Okay, here's another elongated head.

719
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,119
It was crazy.

720
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 4: But did you feel I'm sorry, Mark, did you feel

721
00:41:09,039 --> 00:41:13,280
you were disturbing anything there, like digging in a graveyard

722
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,760
or was it just anyone could do that anyone?

723
00:41:16,199 --> 00:41:19,199
Speaker 2: That is a great question, because that's something all of

724
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,440
us felt at one point. It's you know, we're kind

725
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,719
of tiptoeing around trying not to you know, step on

726
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:27,559
the vertebrae, and to do that, you're stepping on metatarsals.

727
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:31,679
It was crazy. But no, the reason the area is

728
00:41:31,719 --> 00:41:35,599
littered like this is because of the Wakanos, and that's

729
00:41:35,679 --> 00:41:38,360
the grave robbers, and what they do is they go

730
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,599
in and a lot of these locations are still unmarked.

731
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:45,760
Peru has not been investigated in a big way on

732
00:41:46,159 --> 00:41:50,360
Probably more than half of their structures and pyramids are

733
00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:55,239
still buried or only half revealed and have never been studied.

734
00:41:55,719 --> 00:41:59,679
The last real archaeological dig was back in the nineteen twenties.

735
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,280
These there's so much going on out there. But the

736
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:06,199
Wocanos go in and they use these poles and they

737
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:09,239
go through the desert and that's why there's so much

738
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:13,320
broken pottery. I mean, I was finding big, huge chunks

739
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:17,880
of this amazing pottery with inca eyes all over it.

740
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:21,639
Oh mg, and we're just yeah, it was it was

741
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:25,000
were you to take this home? We there were some

742
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:28,159
things that we were allowed to take through customs obviously,

743
00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,800
some things had to go through the Ministry of Architecture

744
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:37,760
and Archaeology and artifacts there. There's some things that you know,

745
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:42,239
we could and other things we couldn't. And uh, you know,

746
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,360
it was it was. There's a lot of rules on

747
00:42:45,440 --> 00:42:49,599
certain things, so any pretty much, I guess you know,

748
00:42:49,960 --> 00:42:54,199
human remains absolutely not. Obviously, we're not gonna be you know,

749
00:42:54,199 --> 00:42:57,079
bringing home skulls and things like that.

750
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 1: When you're down there pulling up vertebrae and spines and legs,

751
00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:04,760
you know, their ghost hunderd and me sitting there thinking, yeah,

752
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:07,239
I bet there's this old peruviing ghostitting and going hey, hey, hey,

753
00:43:07,239 --> 00:43:08,199
you're stepping on my back.

754
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:10,599
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, Mark. And let me tell you that

755
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,159
I had all my all my equipment. I had a

756
00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:18,880
lot of it, and the EMF is going crazy. I

757
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:24,159
had my mailmeter and the I have a strike meter,

758
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:27,320
and it's a lightning detector because what it does is

759
00:43:27,360 --> 00:43:31,920
it registers any ionist, ionic or you know, kind of

760
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,480
interference like a lightning strike. It's the same thing a

761
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:37,519
golfer would wear or a lifeguard, and it will tell

762
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:39,599
you if there's a lightning strike or any kind of

763
00:43:39,639 --> 00:43:43,800
electric activity within a forty mile radius. This thing is

764
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:48,559
beeping like crazy in certain locations. And while we're there,

765
00:43:48,599 --> 00:43:51,920
we were actually brought into this one area that is

766
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:55,079
not open to anybody, including people outside of the town,

767
00:43:55,679 --> 00:43:58,760
and we visited with the Mayor of peace Goo and

768
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,360
we had arm guards and everything escort is to this

769
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:04,039
place and stay with us as we visited this pyramid,

770
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:09,199
and the interpreter Irene was letting them know who we

771
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,679
all were and what we did well. I was the

772
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:17,760
UFO investigator, and almost every time she would introduce me,

773
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:20,280
their eyes get big, they light up, and they couldn't

774
00:44:20,320 --> 00:44:24,079
wait to tell me the UFOs. So we're standing in

775
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:29,719
Piacego on this pyramid that nobody knows about. It's a

776
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:33,880
beautiful very it's a step pyramid like most of them

777
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,920
in Peru. And we're standing on this and he's telling

778
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,760
me about this UFO story that the people that used

779
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:42,360
to live there had told him, and about how this

780
00:44:42,519 --> 00:44:44,079
UFO used to come and there used to be a

781
00:44:44,079 --> 00:44:46,239
big lake out there and every time it came, it

782
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,039
would drain more and more of the water. It was

783
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:49,960
taking their water.

784
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:50,639
Speaker 5: Wow.

785
00:44:51,320 --> 00:44:55,039
Speaker 2: But these UFOs used to visit this pyramid, and everywhere

786
00:44:55,039 --> 00:44:57,840
we went people were telling us. They're so open with

787
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:02,480
the UFO and the paranorm stories that they have. They

788
00:45:02,480 --> 00:45:04,480
never looked over their shoulder, like here, you'd kind of

789
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:08,320
get is anyone listening? Is anyone close? They were just like,

790
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,400
oh my gosh, let me tell you about this ufo

791
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,519
or I saw when I was fourteen years old. Everywhere

792
00:45:13,519 --> 00:45:20,119
we went wow, wow, crazy, you know. And then we're

793
00:45:20,159 --> 00:45:23,800
in the museums and we were given so much favor

794
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:26,159
and we're brought in the back rooms and I have

795
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:28,840
on Facebook a picture of a mummy, well that was

796
00:45:28,880 --> 00:45:31,760
actually in the back room of the museum as they

797
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:35,159
were preparing it to be on display. Nobody but them

798
00:45:35,199 --> 00:45:38,800
had ever seen this mummy before. And of course then

799
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:42,599
we get to Parrakas and at Senior Wan's Museum. You know,

800
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:48,199
we're flabbergasted at the elongated skulls because there's a huge difference.

801
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:51,639
And this is something you learned very quickly investigating these skulls.

802
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:56,199
You can see when something has been cradle boarded or

803
00:45:56,360 --> 00:46:00,719
the cranial deformation. It's it's almost obvious. But when you

804
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,840
come across one of these skulls that La and Richard

805
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:08,039
are talking about, it almost sat me down. You guys.

806
00:46:08,119 --> 00:46:11,400
I'm standing there and my eyes immediately went to it,

807
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,400
and I'm thinking, what the heck is that? Well, it's

808
00:46:15,559 --> 00:46:19,559
so different. It's one bariedal plate. It's the bones are

809
00:46:20,039 --> 00:46:22,880
you know, the density, the thickness of the skull is

810
00:46:22,960 --> 00:46:26,920
so much the jaw is so robust and different, the

811
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:32,400
cranial volume is at least yeah, twenty to thirty percent

812
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:37,280
bigger than the average adult human head sitting next to it.

813
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:43,000
And they're just so anomalous looking well and different. You're

814
00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:45,840
just like, that's why we can pick them out. That's

815
00:46:45,840 --> 00:46:47,880
why we're like, can we see this one? Then we

816
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:50,079
have seen your wand coming up opening the case and

817
00:46:50,079 --> 00:46:52,199
giving us the skulls here you go, Hey, you go,

818
00:46:53,360 --> 00:46:56,199
oh my gosh, who was that?

819
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:58,039
Speaker 5: Chase?

820
00:46:58,079 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 1: Well, we have a caller calling you and who has

821
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,880
a question for you. Uh, we have our good friend

822
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:05,079
Bruce Pearson calling in.

823
00:47:05,119 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 5: How are you doing? Bruce?

824
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 6: Hello, it's been a while. I was spoking to you

825
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:10,559
for a while.

826
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:15,039
Speaker 2: Oh, it's so nice for you to call. I was

827
00:47:15,079 --> 00:47:16,800
just gonna say, Bruce, I know this.

828
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 6: Name, yea doing the several Marshalls imagine. Congratulations on your trip.

829
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:29,000
Sounds like there was an amazing adventure, and certainly Lord

830
00:47:29,079 --> 00:47:32,480
and Mark they've had their own travels and adventures. We've

831
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:34,400
been able to share some of them together. But uh,

832
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:37,119
you know, I think it's it's really cool that you

833
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,320
came on the show and UH have been able to

834
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:44,559
work collaboratively on this. As we move ahead on this,

835
00:47:44,639 --> 00:47:46,039
I think you made a good point. I don't think,

836
00:47:46,079 --> 00:47:47,880
you know, I really don't think we're ever going to

837
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,039
get a Gardy disclosure. I don't think we're ever going

838
00:47:51,119 --> 00:47:54,800
to get voluntary disclosures. There's really nothing in it for

839
00:47:56,000 --> 00:48:00,760
the military, government or anyone else that has a control

840
00:48:00,880 --> 00:48:05,119
order explinancially, economically or whatever to open that can of worms.

841
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:06,719
There just can't be any good out of it from

842
00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:09,239
their perspective, and so I don't think it's as much

843
00:48:09,239 --> 00:48:11,400
as you can. I think we should continue pushing, I

844
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,840
just don't think it's ever going to happen.

845
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:16,679
Speaker 2: Well, I agree, and thank you, thank you for that.

846
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,559
I'm very happy to be here, you know, on unknown origins.

847
00:48:22,079 --> 00:48:24,320
We just love sharing stories and being out here and

848
00:48:24,360 --> 00:48:28,119
we're all working, and you know, even people that you know,

849
00:48:28,199 --> 00:48:30,320
these guys don't but even you know, people that just

850
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:33,559
research and and you know, do their own shows and stuff,

851
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:37,559
still talk to many, many people every week and they're researching,

852
00:48:37,679 --> 00:48:41,239
and you know, so their knowledge base is increasing. And

853
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:46,719
I'm fast learning to highly respect UH independent broadcasters because

854
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,960
the knowledge base that we're accumulating is massive, especially the

855
00:48:52,039 --> 00:48:54,400
producers like Keith and Race and you know some of

856
00:48:54,440 --> 00:48:57,480
these guys because they're just not listening to this show.

857
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:01,400
They're listening to all of them and all of the

858
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,719
guests and all of the opinions. So you know, we

859
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,800
can't forget to hook these guys up and support them

860
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:10,519
with everything from likes on Facebook to donate buttons. It's

861
00:49:10,719 --> 00:49:15,079
it's just a great way to show, you know, we

862
00:49:15,119 --> 00:49:18,760
support independent broadcasting and screw that mainstream media. I know

863
00:49:18,800 --> 00:49:21,280
where we're getting the truth and it's not on Fox

864
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,880
News or Yeah.

865
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 5: See, it is actually stoop to making their own up

866
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:27,760
these days.

867
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:30,519
Speaker 2: So it's so crazy. But Bruce, thank you so much

868
00:49:30,559 --> 00:49:33,159
for colling and I agree. And you know, when it

869
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:36,519
comes to disclosure, I actually have gotten to the point

870
00:49:36,559 --> 00:49:39,199
where I know because my husband's you know, and he's

871
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,559
a submarine commander. I know he doesn't keep these secrets.

872
00:49:42,599 --> 00:49:45,400
None of his friends do. This is a shadow part

873
00:49:45,440 --> 00:49:47,760
of the military, the part of the military that would

874
00:49:47,840 --> 00:49:50,960
keep these secrets, and they are keeping them. These aren't

875
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,400
the guys driving on that base every day. These aren't

876
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,639
the guys that you will see wearing uniforms and serving

877
00:49:56,679 --> 00:50:00,119
their country and I don't think the politicians would. Did

878
00:50:00,119 --> 00:50:05,119
you tell Obama anything? He's a temporary employee. And Obama

879
00:50:05,199 --> 00:50:06,920
didn't come up through the ranks of you know, the

880
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:10,519
CIA and NSA like the old regime. Did you know

881
00:50:10,639 --> 00:50:14,039
Bush and Cheney and that whole crooney little bit. They've

882
00:50:14,039 --> 00:50:17,960
been trading jobs in these secret organizations and holding these

883
00:50:17,960 --> 00:50:21,239
secrets for a long time. But do you know those

884
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:24,719
are the secret keepers, these kind of shadow pockets.

885
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:25,920
Speaker 5: You know.

886
00:50:26,079 --> 00:50:28,519
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is these guys they know all

887
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:30,400
these politicians are temporary.

888
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,440
Speaker 5: So there's a lot.

889
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:38,559
Speaker 1: Of even mainstream television programs like Scandal, they talk about

890
00:50:38,599 --> 00:50:45,400
B thirteen, second thirteen or whatever, these secrets government entities

891
00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:54,679
that are beyond the government. And and we lost Bruce. Yeah, Bruce,

892
00:50:54,719 --> 00:50:57,639
if you want to call back in, please feel free.

893
00:50:58,679 --> 00:51:02,400
And yeah, they just they they they don't answer to

894
00:51:02,400 --> 00:51:05,000
anybody because they know. These politicians, if they're not already

895
00:51:05,039 --> 00:51:06,400
on board, you know, they're going to be gone in

896
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:07,800
a few years and they're going to keep doing what

897
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:15,400
they're doing. Absolutely, so it's it's it's ridiculous. So let

898
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:18,000
me ask you this, what do you think is on

899
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:20,880
the horizon, What do you think is really going to

900
00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:23,559
be happened in the next year or so, because there

901
00:51:23,559 --> 00:51:28,000
seems to be so much strange things happening in the paranormal.

902
00:51:29,199 --> 00:51:34,280
Speaker 2: I hopefully. I I think we're going to be probably

903
00:51:34,320 --> 00:51:38,320
a little further still debating DNA evidence. I think we're

904
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,960
still going to be debating some of the truths that

905
00:51:41,000 --> 00:51:45,039
we know we're going out here, but the naysayers are

906
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,760
getting less and less. As we all know, there's a

907
00:51:47,840 --> 00:51:51,199
huge difference between a skeptic and a debunker and someone

908
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,559
that's just out to, you know, make your life miserable

909
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:57,760
and no matter what evidence is presented, they're never going

910
00:51:57,800 --> 00:52:02,199
to believe it. And you know, I love them. I

911
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:06,400
think they keep us honest. However, when you start crossing

912
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,159
the line of ridiculous, in other words, you want to

913
00:52:09,199 --> 00:52:12,400
come at me and make me responsible, and this is

914
00:52:12,400 --> 00:52:16,079
a good thing. To prove what I've just said, show

915
00:52:16,119 --> 00:52:19,840
my data, give you all my notes. Well, when you're

916
00:52:20,039 --> 00:52:23,320
coming back at me, I would like the same from you.

917
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,119
Prove to me why what I showed you is not accurate.

918
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:30,559
Don't just go on Facebook and spout off your you know,

919
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:35,119
this guy's a bonehead. We're starting to hold these skeptics

920
00:52:35,519 --> 00:52:39,199
accountable for the same you know, for the same information,

921
00:52:39,320 --> 00:52:42,800
for that same caliber that they're expecting from us. That

922
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,559
is only fair. The second thing I think we're going

923
00:52:45,639 --> 00:52:50,079
to see is more respect towards these subjects, because as

924
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,679
you and Lauren know, you know, I started the resistance

925
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:55,199
on Facebook because I'm tired of the way, you know,

926
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:58,400
mainstream media, you know, has to tongue in cheek and

927
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:02,320
you know, the X file theme is on every UFO story.

928
00:53:03,119 --> 00:53:06,119
But if that reporter had done just just as much

929
00:53:06,199 --> 00:53:11,280
homework on that story from that witness about a UFO

930
00:53:11,800 --> 00:53:15,039
that he did on the sevent eleven robberies, you know,

931
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:16,480
where they could come out and say, well, this is

932
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:18,559
the fourth time in seven years that this rob you

933
00:53:18,559 --> 00:53:20,840
know that this seventy eleven has been robbed, and police

934
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,440
authorities say, you know, give us the same respect or

935
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,360
you're not getting our stories anymore. I had a huge

936
00:53:29,519 --> 00:53:34,519
UFO experience. It was epic in two thousand, way back

937
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:39,480
in twenty ten, and I've had everything from Paranormal Witness,

938
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:42,719
you know, I've had all sorts of TV shows call me.

939
00:53:42,960 --> 00:53:46,400
They've even offered me money to sell the story, and

940
00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:51,039
my answer has been no, because I just don't trust

941
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:57,119
entertainment or these yeah, these news things. However, I did

942
00:53:57,159 --> 00:53:59,920
just give it to La for his Watchers documentary, but

943
00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:03,199
I've worked with him. I trust him because we have

944
00:54:03,320 --> 00:54:06,119
to tell the truth in these and stop spinning these

945
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:10,159
with these exaggerated you know, entertainment value.

946
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:11,639
Speaker 5: Oh exactly, exactly.

947
00:54:11,679 --> 00:54:15,039
Speaker 1: I mean, everybody who listened to our show has heard

948
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:17,840
me complain about being on a couple of these programs

949
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:21,440
where they've twisted information. I was interviewed by Jack Osborne

950
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:24,840
for Haunted Highways and this pinhead producer comes right in

951
00:54:24,840 --> 00:54:26,599
the middle of my story. He cuts me off to say,

952
00:54:26,800 --> 00:54:28,920
oh no, no, no, no, don't say it this way. Try

953
00:54:28,960 --> 00:54:31,079
saying it this way. It's like, do you want to

954
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:32,199
hear the freaking story or not?

955
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:32,880
Speaker 5: Good?

956
00:54:33,000 --> 00:54:33,159
Speaker 4: Right?

957
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: You know, don't tell me how to tell my story.

958
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,360
And you know what, they wound up cutting me from

959
00:54:38,400 --> 00:54:40,599
the episode because I didn't want to play along.

960
00:54:41,039 --> 00:54:42,039
Speaker 2: Are you serious?

961
00:54:42,079 --> 00:54:42,280
Speaker 4: Well?

962
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,519
Speaker 2: I don't doubt that. And good for you, Mark, because honestly,

963
00:54:46,519 --> 00:54:49,079
and you guys both know, I've been approached to do

964
00:54:49,159 --> 00:54:54,000
television several times, and without a certain commitment. My answer

965
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:56,480
has been absolutely no. I've backed out of two of them.

966
00:54:56,639 --> 00:54:58,880
One of them actually made the air, and I was

967
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:04,280
so thankful when people raped it when after two episodes

968
00:55:04,360 --> 00:55:08,519
everyone was laughing. But I knew when they said, Okay, Chase,

969
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:10,480
we want you in a tank top and we're gonna

970
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,079
dress you like Laura Croft and you want you to

971
00:55:13,119 --> 00:55:15,960
act more like an action figure. I'm done, guys.

972
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:18,639
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I know what you're talking about.

973
00:55:19,679 --> 00:55:24,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm done with that. And it's just you know,

974
00:55:25,199 --> 00:55:29,119
I'm an investigator. I love being out there and there's

975
00:55:29,159 --> 00:55:31,960
nothing more. And I know both of you know this firsthand.

976
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:37,320
When you have somebody that has experienced something so extraordinary,

977
00:55:37,760 --> 00:55:42,320
they can't sleep, they're scared, or they're just so overwhelmed

978
00:55:42,480 --> 00:55:45,960
by what's just happened. They can't tell their neighbors. They'll

979
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:48,800
think they're crazy. They can't call their mom, you know,

980
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,880
their husband's laughing at him and thinks it's funny, or

981
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:55,079
vice versa. Well, and then they call and talk to you,

982
00:55:55,119 --> 00:55:57,800
and you walk into the house and you're very professional,

983
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:04,079
and they're crying. They're so thankful that somebody's listening and

984
00:56:04,119 --> 00:56:07,480
that they can tell their story to somebody that understands

985
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:10,119
phenomena right exactly.

986
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:13,320
Speaker 1: Actually, we got Bruce back on Bruce, did you have

987
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:13,960
another question?

988
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 6: Well, I just wanted to follow up on that if

989
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:19,960
I may. You know changed, I think that your book

990
00:56:20,079 --> 00:56:22,719
is is indicative. Mark and I have had this discussion

991
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:25,719
on a number of occasions as a you know, one

992
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,280
of the I guess, unfortunately, one of the few people

993
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:32,440
and that this has been trained, you know, in broadcast

994
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:34,960
journalism and spent a good portion of my life doing

995
00:56:35,079 --> 00:56:40,400
documentaries and invescue and stuff. I am quite honestly, frighteningly

996
00:56:40,679 --> 00:56:44,039
astounded by the high quality of a lot of the

997
00:56:44,119 --> 00:56:46,239
shows out there. Mark and I have discussed as many

998
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,079
times as you well know.

999
00:56:47,239 --> 00:56:47,440
Speaker 5: Mark.

1000
00:56:49,079 --> 00:56:51,440
Speaker 6: But having said that, I think that the fact that

1001
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,760
you wrote your books is the point that I want

1002
00:56:54,800 --> 00:56:56,880
to make. I'd like you to discuss between the two

1003
00:56:56,920 --> 00:56:58,760
of you or three of you. I'm sorry learning and

1004
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,519
trying to exclude you, but the fact is, I think

1005
00:57:02,599 --> 00:57:06,400
we need to now raise the bar as much as possible,

1006
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,719
not at the exclusion of anybody. And there's a million

1007
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,400
different agendas for people that are involved in this community.

1008
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:16,880
But I think that we are now cracking the egg,

1009
00:57:16,960 --> 00:57:22,159
if you will, with science, with forensic technology, and I

1010
00:57:22,199 --> 00:57:24,480
think that we need to try to continue to push

1011
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:29,440
that envelope and be serious about investigative techniques and ferret

1012
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,199
out the fakers and the folks that are misinformed for

1013
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,960
whatever good reasons or not. And I think that it's

1014
00:57:36,000 --> 00:57:41,920
important that we don't turn into just the sea of malaise,

1015
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,719
that we keep rehashing the same documentation without moving it forward,

1016
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:52,800
because inevitably, if that happens, the excitement, the passion, the interest,

1017
00:57:53,400 --> 00:57:56,280
and the new information that comes out that's a result

1018
00:57:56,320 --> 00:57:58,800
of that is going to wane. And will that'll be

1019
00:57:58,840 --> 00:58:00,760
a sad day if that happened. I don't see that

1020
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:03,320
happening now. But I always try when I'm speaking to

1021
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,199
people to make draws a strong distinction, as you were

1022
00:58:06,280 --> 00:58:10,880
just making the point Chase about entertainment shows and shows

1023
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:14,119
that at least making an attempt to be UH an

1024
00:58:14,199 --> 00:58:17,920
investigative documentary, if you will, on television. So I think

1025
00:58:17,920 --> 00:58:20,480
it's very important that everybody involved in this to the

1026
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:24,239
extent they can try to raise the bar in terms

1027
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,599
of the scientific UH investigation and try to be very

1028
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:31,559
careful on how they document things and before they proclaim

1029
00:58:31,639 --> 00:58:36,039
things to be valid, because God knows the naysayers. Jip

1030
00:58:36,079 --> 00:58:39,960
all over when when somebody is found out to be fraudulent,

1031
00:58:40,400 --> 00:58:42,519
and that that hurts the whole community.

1032
00:58:43,159 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 2: It sure does.

1033
00:58:44,840 --> 00:58:47,320
Speaker 6: You don't deserve anybody's purpose. And I'm not being critical

1034
00:58:47,360 --> 00:58:49,639
of people learn it because you know they're just fascinated.

1035
00:58:49,679 --> 00:58:51,480
They won't have a good time. And there's nothing wrong

1036
00:58:51,519 --> 00:58:55,559
with that. No, you know, those people have every right

1037
00:58:55,599 --> 00:58:57,519
to do as they see fit. But if you're gonna

1038
00:58:57,559 --> 00:59:01,519
if you're going to try to to get any unknown

1039
00:59:02,199 --> 00:59:06,599
or unexplained phenomena, and you purport to be someone who

1040
00:59:06,679 --> 00:59:10,639
is trying to take a balance and scientific approach to

1041
00:59:10,639 --> 00:59:12,880
figure out what's going on, I think that you really

1042
00:59:12,960 --> 00:59:16,559
need to played by the rules if you will, and

1043
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:20,119
that's hard. It's a lot harder to do, especially in

1044
00:59:20,119 --> 00:59:22,000
an environment where there really aren't a lot of rules.

1045
00:59:24,119 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right, and Bruce, thank you. I'm sorry. Go ahead.

1046
00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:32,760
Speaker 6: I just want to hear your opine on it, and

1047
00:59:32,840 --> 00:59:34,440
I'm going to hang out and let you guys speak.

1048
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:35,599
So thank you very much.

1049
00:59:35,679 --> 00:59:37,199
Speaker 5: All right, thanks a lot, Bruce, appreciate it.

1050
00:59:37,239 --> 00:59:40,280
Speaker 2: Hi, Bruce, Yeah, I do too, And Bruce, I love you.

1051
00:59:40,280 --> 00:59:44,079
You're just so awesome. Seriously, he said, he read the book.

1052
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:47,320
I'm like, oh, I thank you so much for that.

1053
00:59:48,400 --> 00:59:52,480
And that's exactly what I'm hoping you know, comes out

1054
00:59:52,480 --> 00:59:56,840
here is is really that if whether you're a paranormal investigator,

1055
00:59:57,119 --> 01:00:03,480
you're out looking for Bigfoot, chupacabra, a cryptozoologist, or you

1056
01:00:03,679 --> 01:00:07,679
UFO investigator, it all comes down to what you're doing

1057
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:11,360
is important. And what if that's the time that you're

1058
01:00:11,400 --> 01:00:15,960
out there at that paranormal investigation and something very epic

1059
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:21,199
happens and you don't know how to construct a proper

1060
01:00:21,239 --> 01:00:23,639
case file, or you don't know how to preserve that

1061
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,840
evidence or how to present it properly, or even who

1062
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,840
to call, you know, to say, hey, do you see

1063
01:00:29,840 --> 01:00:32,280
an apparition? Because we all know what happens if you

1064
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:33,440
post it on Facebook?

1065
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:37,000
Speaker 4: Right Oh yeah, oh god, yes, yeah.

1066
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, it's just it's it's Mayham. Everyone has

1067
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,039
an opinion, but that's what It's a social environment. You know,

1068
01:00:45,079 --> 01:00:47,599
who do you send these photos to? How what labs

1069
01:00:47,599 --> 01:00:49,519
can you get? Are you know, do you have to

1070
01:00:49,519 --> 01:00:53,920
be you know, a special connected person? Heck no, oh

1071
01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:56,519
my gosh. And you know that's really some of the

1072
01:00:56,559 --> 01:00:58,519
things I've learned out in the field is that some

1073
01:00:58,559 --> 01:01:01,320
of The new people are the people that really never

1074
01:01:01,400 --> 01:01:05,679
got to be in investigations because they just didn't know

1075
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:08,679
how this worked. We want to lay that out for

1076
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,679
them and just give them all these answers because we

1077
01:01:11,800 --> 01:01:15,800
need investigators and we need conscientious and like Bruce said,

1078
01:01:16,239 --> 01:01:18,880
people that are going to do this now with all

1079
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:25,119
the equipment we have knowledge, forensics availability. Now we need

1080
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:30,440
every single case that we accept, we accept knowing that

1081
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:33,920
our goal is whatever we find, even if it is unknown,

1082
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,159
that case file is going to be at the level

1083
01:01:37,159 --> 01:01:41,360
where it's admissible, because if it's not, what you've done

1084
01:01:41,559 --> 01:01:48,760
is offered the public and the scientific community just unanswered questions,

1085
01:01:49,000 --> 01:01:53,920
more unvalidated evidence and debate. Well, I know, as a ufologists,

1086
01:01:53,960 --> 01:01:57,119
we've had fifty friggin years of that. I'm ready to

1087
01:01:57,199 --> 01:02:01,440
move on, and we are capable of of constructing these

1088
01:02:01,599 --> 01:02:07,400
investigations and a case management system that, by the end

1089
01:02:07,800 --> 01:02:12,320
you can present to any other investigator, all your heroes,

1090
01:02:12,559 --> 01:02:18,480
TV stars, scientific community, but more importantly the public, a

1091
01:02:18,599 --> 01:02:22,840
case file that is so conclusive it is admissible and

1092
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:30,400
would meet a burden of proof. Halla seriously, and we

1093
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,039
can do this. You can do this. Everyone can do this.

1094
01:02:33,679 --> 01:02:39,679
It's just learning the methodologies of investigation and of course

1095
01:02:39,760 --> 01:02:42,280
some of this you know, like interviewing skills, and it

1096
01:02:42,360 --> 01:02:46,159
takes doing it and you get better each year. But

1097
01:02:46,239 --> 01:02:48,440
it doesn't mean you're totally going to blow it on

1098
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:51,559
your first one. You guys, grab it, let's go, let's

1099
01:02:51,559 --> 01:02:54,119
get busy, let's get boots on the ground. Cases are

1100
01:02:54,119 --> 01:02:57,480
coming in. I don't know a single investigator that is

1101
01:02:57,519 --> 01:03:01,239
investigating every single report they're getting. And it kills us

1102
01:03:01,280 --> 01:03:04,239
because I'm always afraid I have to say no to

1103
01:03:04,280 --> 01:03:08,000
the one person right that needs me the most. It

1104
01:03:08,000 --> 01:03:09,239
puts ant in my stomach.

1105
01:03:10,079 --> 01:03:12,639
Speaker 1: Well, I hate to do this, but we're actually I

1106
01:03:12,719 --> 01:03:14,800
knew this hour is going to fly by quickly, and

1107
01:03:14,840 --> 01:03:17,239
it did. So we're coming up on the end of

1108
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:20,639
the show, Chase. Before we go, where can people find

1109
01:03:20,679 --> 01:03:24,239
information on your book and about you? And we'll plug

1110
01:03:24,320 --> 01:03:25,360
your radio show again.

1111
01:03:26,400 --> 01:03:30,599
Speaker 2: Aw thanks guys. Chase Klutsky dot com is I have

1112
01:03:30,639 --> 01:03:33,599
a website. I'm obsessed with my Facebook. I love my

1113
01:03:33,639 --> 01:03:36,239
Facebook friends. I network all the time, so you know

1114
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,119
you can find me there. The book is sold through

1115
01:03:39,199 --> 01:03:43,079
Richard Dolan Press. Because this book is also it's Chase

1116
01:03:43,119 --> 01:03:46,079
Klutsky with Richard Dolan not quite a co author, but

1117
01:03:46,119 --> 01:03:48,559
trust me, I gave him, Hey, this is how you

1118
01:03:48,639 --> 01:03:52,960
do it. Make it readable. That's what he did, amazing publisher.

1119
01:03:53,079 --> 01:03:56,320
So it's you know. The book is called Admissible, The

1120
01:03:56,320 --> 01:04:01,440
Field Manual for Investigating UFOs, Paranormal Activity and Strange Creatures

1121
01:04:02,079 --> 01:04:05,000
with Richard Dolan as well. I have a children's book

1122
01:04:05,079 --> 01:04:10,480
called Our Alien's Really Real. And honestly, guys, you know

1123
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:12,559
you can find out where my show is and everything

1124
01:04:12,599 --> 01:04:15,320
on Facebook. But you know, I'm just so happy to

1125
01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:18,000
be with you guys tonight. I'm miss miss hearing from

1126
01:04:18,079 --> 01:04:21,280
you and it's just awesome that thank you for inviting me,

1127
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:23,880
and you know, dark Matter Radio for having me. This

1128
01:04:23,960 --> 01:04:24,480
is amazing.

1129
01:04:24,519 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on. We loved having

1130
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:28,719
you and we'll have to do this again sometime.

1131
01:04:29,519 --> 01:04:31,559
Speaker 2: And Bruce you rock mistuf.

1132
01:04:33,079 --> 01:04:34,320
Speaker 4: Well really does well.

1133
01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,639
Speaker 1: We're going to sign off this so thank you everybody

1134
01:04:36,679 --> 01:04:40,440
for listening to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio. Be

1135
01:04:40,559 --> 01:04:43,840
sure to tune in here every Monday evening at nine

1136
01:04:43,920 --> 01:04:48,159
pm Eastern Standard time on the Dark Matter Radio Network.

1137
01:04:48,440 --> 01:04:51,320
And we sign off with as usual with our weekly

1138
01:04:51,360 --> 01:04:55,480
wisdom from Greg Gonzalez and Greg says I do what

1139
01:04:55,599 --> 01:04:59,079
I want, when I want, where I want. If my

1140
01:04:59,119 --> 01:05:01,119
wife says it's okay, that's right.

1141
01:05:01,280 --> 01:05:03,519
Speaker 5: Have a great night, everybody,