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Speaker 1: Hello, ladies, gentlemen, Welcome back to ano episode of geek

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Verse podcast. I am one of your hosts, Providence to

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Speaker 2: I'm joined by.

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Speaker 3: I am the Professor's pipe Patza.

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Speaker 2: Yes we are here because we're gonna be talking.

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Speaker 1: This movie just came out, came out Christmas for us,

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but we're we you know, Christmas is Christmas.

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Speaker 2: We're not going to be watching as Farato on Christmas.

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Speaker 3: So maybe something many people did. I was talking to

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the theater folk, and they're very busy yesterday for both

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that and the Bob Dylan movie. Can't remember what it's called,

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Complete Stranger or something like that. Complete Unknown, that's what

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it is. But Nosferato and that movie we're both packed yesterday.

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So the Christmas moviegoers were out and about.

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Speaker 2: They're out and about.

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Speaker 1: I mean, my theater was definitely packed today for oh yeah,

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for an was yours?

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Speaker 2: Was yours?

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Speaker 3: Pretty I was in like a smaller theater than normally

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m or a smaller screen, I should say, and it

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was pretty packed. So it's tough to judge if that

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was like in the larger screen, like how it would

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have felt numbers wise, but like every aisle seemed like

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it had people in so this is what this is like.

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My first time actually going to see a movie like

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around Christmas time, probably ever in my life, so it

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was a new experience. But yeah, a lot of people

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are out and about cool for the holidays.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hope you all had a very merry, merriest

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Speaker 2: New Year's is coming up pretty quick, but we're not done.

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Speaker 1: We're sneaking in a few more casts because we got

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Skeleton Crew that we bumped from earlier this week that's

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maybe over the weekend, because we also got Dexter and

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we got Creature Commandos, so we've got lots of things

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that are still going to be sneaking out and I'm

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sure Dylan's probably got a sie quest or something maybe

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lined up. I don't know, but just check the feeds.

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You can get information all the latest deats on it

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all there. So well, further ado curveling, you can give

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me like a brief history what you think about vampires

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if you want, and how you're excitement for this, and

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then your non spoilers thoughts.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I my history have the vampires. I feel

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like my early history with vampires would have been like

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the Blade movies. Blade movies probably is like early version.

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I remember watching what's that movie with Tarantia? It's not

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a Tarantino movie, but he's in it with Clooney from

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Dustill Down. That is that what it is with not

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Penelope Cruise. So i'ma high my I hope I'm accurate

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and close to some of those predictions.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god. Yeah from Dustill Don. I've never heard

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of this.

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Speaker 3: Yeah from Dustal Don. Okay, there you go. So I

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remember watching that one and then like the Van Helsing

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movie of course with the great Hugh Jackman. So definitely

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like popped in in and around my childhood. It's funny

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because those aren't really like kid movies. I feel like

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I just watched those way too young. Uh. And then

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innocent experience to vampires. But no, I've always been I'm

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not gonna say, like obsessed with them, but like just

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just the idea of like the the mystery and tales

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of vampire stories has always been in tree and I

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must say I feel like this era, and this era

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being like the eighteen hundreds that's kind of what nos

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favorite version of vampires in recent memories. You know, my

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big video game obsession. You know this Taylor is a

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total war war Hammer, And in that universe they have

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a race of vampires and they're just called the Vampire Counts,

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and it's pretty much like the exact same esthetic to this,

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where they just like live in castles and they're all

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about just the danse macabre and they speak very similar

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to like how they speak in this movie. So I

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time era was going into this, but I just wasn't

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expecting that many similarities. And obviously, like the Warhammer variation

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So yeah, I was. I was totally just loving the

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vibe of what this was. But and then I guess

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my Robert Egger's experience, I feel like I I didn't

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always love his materials, but as I've gone along and

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but just some of his previous works, he's just got

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to be like my favorite directors honestly, like director slash writers,

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something like The Witch where I can just appreciate it

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for its craftsmanship and what he's been able to accomplish,

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just cinematography wise, and obviously like the great acting of

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just people, like taking us back to like a period

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piece type performance. Just something about it. I feel like

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these are must watch for me now in theaters. So yeah,

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the last one would have been The Northmen The Lighthouse

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before that. Like they're just very different movies, and it's

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the type of movie where like I can't even really

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recommend it to people, Like I feel like I'm very

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cautious when I recommend recommending these movies to people. But

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you know, like if I ever hear that they are

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a fan of some bean Robert Eggers, It's like, okay, yeah, no,

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if you know what you're getting into, it's Robert Eggers's film.

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and then he's doing like a Guardian Site movie, Like

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they're all very similar feeling, and yeah, no, I absolutely

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love them. So leading up to this one, I was

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really really excited. Of course, I started getting these trailers

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in the big screen and in the theaters, and it

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just felt so different than like the at home viewing

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of the trailers, it's just I don't know, you just

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like what the movie vibe is going for. So I

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was very much looking forward to this one ended up

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working out. I went to go watch it with my

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dad on his birthday, so that was a fun viewing time.

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It's pretty much it's pretty much exactly what I was expecting.

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feeling and just like dourness of what the film was.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, this is pretty much exactly what I was

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expecting and exactly what I was wanting. Like it like

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these movies, same thing with The Witch or The Lighthouse.

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like engulfing you in this world, like like like just

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that like the hospitals kind of work and function. They

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just totally take you in a whole nother world. And

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that's why I truly appreciate Robert Eggers and the films

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that he makes, because I feel like that's just a

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like a consistent theme on like all of the it

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doesn't matter what era he's doing, like you're gonna be

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totally engulfed, and most of the time it's a depressing era.

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But uh yeah, no, I truly truly appreciate what he's

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able to do. I think the cinematography in this and

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pretty much all of those other films are just like

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ten out of ten, Especially now that we're starting to

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make films, I feel like I just appreciate them so

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much more, like the way that they're able to capture

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certain shots or uh, I mean, man, there's a couple

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shots in here like this feels like this feels like

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a Drana Rome. Here like this feels like our film.

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similarities there, And yeah, I just appreciate the way that

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they're able to capture certain shots. The lighting is like

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next level as well, like a lot of this movie.

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black and white just because of like the darkness and

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the way that the moonlight's coming in and just the

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work that they're able to do as shadows and things

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like it. Just it it carries such a presence without

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actually showing like a monster on screen, just just just yeah,

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because of the shadows and everything. So yeah, as a

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Robert Eggers fan, this this was like exactly what I wanted.

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And I love this movie. I love this movie so much.

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As I already said, like it's I'm skeptic or not skeptical.

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I'm hesitant on who I would recommend this film too,

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but uh, if you are a film of Robert Eggers

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and his previous works and just kind of like film

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how this is made. It's definitely like a slow burn

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of a film, but those are pretty much my favorite

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type of I don't like, would you call this a

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horror movie. It's kind of like a It has.

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Speaker 1: The jump stares of a horror movie, but it's I

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didn't feel like it really was. I just I felt

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like it it's not actually adventure, It's just it felt

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like a thriller.

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Speaker 3: Like The Witch. Though, like I wouldn't really call The

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Witch a horror movie in that sense, even though it's

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like very disturbing imagery. I feel like this is similar

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to that in many ways. Even the Lighthouse, like that's

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love the way that they're able to kind of teeter

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on the line of believability and like like going into

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like a fantasy realm, because obviously just having vampires alone

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is pretty fantasy element, but it's not like they go

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overboard in the sense of having like characters flying around

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and doing magic. Like I feel like it could be

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explained in a way of just like a folk tale

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telling of something like some events, similar to how we

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had in The Witch. You know, it's same sort of idea.

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So yeah, I just really appreciate that balance, and I

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thought performances were really great across the board. I haven't

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really seen Lily Rose depth in much. I think she

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was in like a I think she was in like

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a Kevin Smith film that I had seen, but she

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was just like a very minor role, so like this

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would have been the first actual performance of like a

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lead role that I've seen her, and I thought she

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was good for the character that they were having her portray.

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I thought Nicholas Holt was was really good with what

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he was doing. And then of course Bill Scar's guard

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as not raw to himself was just as scary as ever.

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So yeah, no, I like the cast. Oh and then

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Willem Dafoe. Obviously he's our background here for our video viewers,

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and I think worthy a worthy pick. He is just

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so phenomenal in all these roles, especially the Robert Acres

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roles that he gets put into. And yeah, he was fantastic.

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The score was good. I don't know, I don't really

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have much complaints, honestly, Like that's like my my last

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thing I'll say spoiler free. Yeah, No, I just really

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love this film, and it's a film for me. I

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knew what I was kind of getting myself into, uh,

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and I was not surprised, And yeah it was it

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was good, really really good story.

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Speaker 1: Well said, Yeah, this this movie, Like I don't I

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don't know a lot about the whole like Nosparato backstory

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and why I was created, and it just being kind

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of an alternative to count Dracula because it's a different character,

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but it pulls a lot of i'm gonna say, inspiration

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from the Dracula storylines, and I again, I don't know

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if it's like a legal right or what. I know

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that there is some story there, but it eludes me

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and it's something I have not invested my time into.

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Speaker 2: As far as vampires go, I love vampires. I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure Blade was probably one of the first

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introductions just you know, vampire movies you shouldn't be watching

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as a kid, but you know, you got that kind

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of dad that's just like we're gonna watch so it's

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like nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So between that and yeah, some of those earlier on

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vampire movies and just other things that we've reviewed, I

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just feel like vampires have just stood the test of

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time and there's still a lot that you can do

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with them as characters, and a lot of projects have

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just thought, Okay, we.

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Speaker 2: Need to do modern day vampires.

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Speaker 1: We did day Break, Was it not Daybreakers day Watch

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with Jamie Foxx. We reviewed that where he's he's like

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a vampire killer night Watch and I watched, Yeah, and

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I watched, So there's there's the modern kind of take

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on on vampires. But like, yeah, like I said, my

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theater was packed and this was just a fantastic period

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time of vampires like Void of the Demeter, which I

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also love that movie too.

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Speaker 3: Day Shift, that's what it was called. You were closer

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than me beating around it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, day Shift.

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Speaker 1: So I think that this movie, Yeah, what what was

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I expecting going in? I was expecting, uh, maybe more

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horror and more jump scares and intensity. And it goes

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over my head that you know, Robert Eggers, he's really

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only done the four feature film projects and then a

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few short films, which The Witch is based off of

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that Handsel and Gretel kind of short film because we

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did a retro for that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, this is probably one of the more hopeful projects.

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Speaker 1: I'd say, like in terms of insanity and just like Brutal,

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is just the most like depressive and just hopeless kind

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of film. But then I think once you get into

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The Northmen, which is just as you know, fucked up,

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but it still has an element of hope to it.

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Speaker 2: And then you get into something like this.

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Speaker 1: I was I was really taken aback because Okay, this

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story is like it's an adventure. I'm engaged with these

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characters and yeah, everyone is delivering.

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Speaker 2: This is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: Like you already mentioned, Willem Dafoe, I love him. I

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would love to sit down with Willem Dafoe and talk conspiracies, this.

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Speaker 2: Version of Dafoe the doctor. Yeah, the doctor. I feel

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like that would just be a that'd be a great,

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a great conversation.

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Speaker 3: But pipe with him, just some tobacco or whatever.

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Speaker 1: There's there's there's a lot going on in here though.

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That's just man, just what a ship. Time to be alive.

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And Aaron Taylor Johnson, he was fantastic in here. He's

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kind of like a palette cleanser after come off of

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Craven because you got you got him and then you

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got Yeah. Nicholas Holt lux Luthor in this movie, which

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he was great. I loved his his his performance. It

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was awesome. And I didn't actually realize that Lily Rose

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was Johnny Depp's daughter. Oh my goodness, I'm still like, I'm.

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Speaker 2: Still are you really getting that old?

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Speaker 1: I feel like going back like a fewyears, like Johnny

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Depp is still like like.

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Speaker 2: Young, Like it just catches me off guard.

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Speaker 1: And all these actors that we grew up with, they've

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got kids that are like they're acting now and they're

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full grown adults.

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Speaker 2: Like, holy crap.

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Speaker 3: She was great.

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Speaker 1: She was freaking fantastic some of those scenes with her

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just having to like really just bring her her like

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the wow factor. Oh my god, she brought it. Because

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I was thinking, man, this chick is.

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Speaker 3: Fucking nuts, like Jesus.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, I think I'm excited to get into spoilers

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and break down some of these scenes because there's there's

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a lot going on here and I think Scars Guard.

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Speaker 2: Holy shit, man, Like, oh my god.

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Speaker 1: Be seeing this in theaters was great because like, hearing

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that voice that he does for this character is next level.

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Speaker 2: I just I left the.

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Speaker 1: Theater trying to like repeat the lines and just speak

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in that voice because he just does such a good job.

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What an amazing, amazing, like villainous actor. He's just great.

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He's great. I I oh my gosh, I think that's

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golden geeks for me. He's golden geeks, like up there

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in one of those categories. Holy smokes, oh Jesus. But

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some of the like in closing here for me, yeah,

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the visuals not you said, it's not a black and

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white film, but they really do a good job making

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you think it is. With some of the lighting and

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just the shadows and everything that's going on here, it

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just feels like gloom and doom.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I can't praise this movie enough.

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Speaker 1: It was.

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Speaker 2: It was a hacking good time and I can't wait

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to rewatch it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, we're gonna take our first ad break here

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and then we're gonna break down some spoilers unless you

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have anything else you want to sneak in there.

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Speaker 3: Uh nope, we got them all.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we will be right back and we are back.

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So where do you want to start?

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Speaker 3: Where do we want to start? Where do we want

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to start? I? I guess just the overall like vibe

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of the world in this film, I feel like coming

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into it, something that I guess kind of surprised me

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was I was expecting the world to really feel already

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like very plague ridden and just like just disgusting and horrible,

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and it's as if it's like the Dark Ages, you know,

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where everybody's just disease ridden, which there's some of that

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in here, but I think that the way that it

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sets it up, it does feel like a modern world,

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at least at the time, like we have people dressed

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all nice and like you don't really see a lot

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of I gues's just plague written people or poor people

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at the start of the film, and I thought it

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was really really just, I don't know, special that they

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chose to start the movie that way, and then the

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where it's ending off that by like the end of

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the film, it's just like, yeah, rats in the streets

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chewing on bodies, and you really just feel like the

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overall presence of what nos Ferado is because as you know,

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the great Professor Willem Dafoe, I'll forget his name, so

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I actually you know what his character's name is, but

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Willie Dafoe's characters always saying how Nosferatu is a plague

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and and like there is a plague here, but it's

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it's this vampire. And I just thought it was really

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really great the way that they were able to really

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just emphasize that because it's not just our characters that

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are directly affected by him, like it's very much just

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his presence here in the city. I mean, you have

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that great image of just his like shadowy claw hand

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going over the city, and I remember seeing that in

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the trailer, and I just thought that was like just

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such powerful imagery of just like symbolizing like his grasp

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that he has like on this city. And I think

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by the time that happens in the movie itself, it

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is really felt because you know, we haven't lost Aaron

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Taylor Johnson yet, but we're starting to get rats in

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the city and just people are dying left, right and center.

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The hospitals are being overridden. So I think it was

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just a really great way to like have like a

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like a stark comparison of early portions of the film.

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You know, clean streets. There's some some dead pigs in here,

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but there it's all in the market. You know, they're

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they're selling some meats and whatnot. But by the end,

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I imagine you can't even really have that anymore because

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there's just like rats all in the streets and just yeah,

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really feels infected. So I really just like the overall

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kind of just like a downfall of the city. As

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as the presence of Nospharato, it gets greater and greater,

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and yeah, no, I just like the overall tone and

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vibe of what the world was. It felt cold, it

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felt you know, it felt sad a lot of the

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times anytime that we were with our main characters, and

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there's kind of hopeless honestly by the end, like it

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just seems like, no matter what, there's nothing really we

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can fix this issue unless we deal with Nostaratu, which'll

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be the case mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: And there's so many different factors around, like the lore

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behind vampires and whatnot. And that's one of my favorite

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things when you get to as if you were going

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this adventure and kind of learn about what is the

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kryptonite for this kind of entity of this being, and

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when Willem Dafoe like just kind of figures it out

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and finds this this ancient text kind of in the

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old real estate agent shop and finds like a little

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bit of shrine and then he's deciphering and it's like, okay,

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we need to basically prevent it from going back and

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sleeping in it's in its in its ground, And I thought, Okay,

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that's such an interesting concept because this is something I

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think that has been we've seen in other iterations of

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Dracula and vampires, some not all, but where they have

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to sleep at night, they have to sleep in the

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ground from where they hail, and so why not just

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have a coffin with the dirt from where.

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Speaker 3: You fail from.

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Speaker 2: Then technically you can go anywhere and you're not trapped.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, it probably took him a good few

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hundred years to kind of figure that out, but here,

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here he is, and it makes it very much, very terrifying.

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I'm assuming the whole boat sequence is kind of pulled

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from like the Voyage of the Demeter kind of storyline

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that is written in one of those like Dracula novels,

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But again I have not read it myself.

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Speaker 2: That's just the kind of vibes that it that it

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gave me.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, it's just it does have this doom and

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gloom kind of vibe to it, because like, what do

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you do against this thing?

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Speaker 2: And you got this girl who's just.

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Speaker 1: Like Ellen, is just completely absorbed into this this thing

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because she was alone, and she put it out there

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into the universe like whatever cosmic entity is out there,

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like I come and be with me. It's like, man,

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you don't do that kind of shit. That's that's not good.

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You're that alone.

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Speaker 3: If you're in a Rubbert, if you're in a Rubbered

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Acres film, don't ever be doing this. It never works out.

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Speaker 2: No, definitely not. But obviously she she wants to turn

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over a new leaf because she.

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Speaker 1: Meets the Mass, and the Mass is just the silver

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lining for the mass, silver lining for her, and she

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wants to do good. But she's still having these nightmares.

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And yeah, she's just like God, she's contorting her body

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and like making love to the air because she's like

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he's coming.

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Speaker 2: It's just like just getting into it. Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that was some one thing that I think I

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wasn't the most clear on for her character. I kind

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of just took what let me get his name right here,

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William Dafoe, Professor all Been Eerberhart von Franz, Willem Dafoe,

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Professor Dafoe like he he mentions that she's always been

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kind of like a like a catalyst for like demand,

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like she's just always been susceptible to that type of

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whether it's demons or just like evil entity, like they

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are just drawn to her. And that's I kind of

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just took that as the explanation for like what her

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character is like, even when she was a young, younger person,

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like when Nosratu first came to her and she called

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out to him. I just kind of took it like, yeah,

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that's just that's just the rule to her character is

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is that kind of you took it as well, like

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that's just the rules around it. It's just the reason

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why she is the most susceptible is just because she

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just is and for whatever reason, nos Feratu is just

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obsessed with her specific blood. I just kind of took

474
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,200
it because same thing, like the doctor just says she

475
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:05,000
is more susceptible than others are.

476
00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,799
Speaker 1: I mean you can you can take at that like

477
00:23:07,920 --> 00:23:10,359
face face value of what it is. Yeah, with the

478
00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:12,519
Doctor's like, oh, it's just because she's susceptible to this

479
00:23:12,599 --> 00:23:13,119
kind of stuff.

480
00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:13,759
Speaker 3: Absolutely.

481
00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,599
Speaker 1: When you watch other movies, like other things where like

482
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,079
Insidious for example, and you have like the boy that

483
00:23:20,160 --> 00:23:24,160
can astral projection, I mean, okay, well he's basically vulnerable

484
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,920
to these demonic identities. You know, he's they're drawn to him.

485
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:28,599
So I think you have a lot of horror movies

486
00:23:28,599 --> 00:23:30,880
that kind of have that kind of that person that's

487
00:23:30,880 --> 00:23:33,079
maybe a little bit more open minded, and that person

488
00:23:33,079 --> 00:23:36,680
that is open minded is that magnet for these these

489
00:23:36,799 --> 00:23:39,640
dark things which she could she had foreshadow, right, she

490
00:23:39,680 --> 00:23:42,240
could see things before they'd happened, Scare the shit out

491
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,880
of her dad, that kind of stuff.

492
00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah, that's always a good one. Yeah, So

493
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,200
I think for me, it is just the explanation of that.

494
00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,440
It just worked for me, Like I just didn't need

495
00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:55,720
much more than that, especially the fact that she did

496
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:58,160
call out to him initially the first time around. And

497
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:02,119
this is kind of where she has to re reaffirm

498
00:24:02,200 --> 00:24:04,240
her oath, and I imagine she just has to do

499
00:24:04,279 --> 00:24:07,000
that because she's gotten married now to Thomas. So it

500
00:24:07,079 --> 00:24:10,039
kind of, I don't know, kind of fucks up that

501
00:24:10,079 --> 00:24:15,559
pack between her and Aspharatu. But where was I going

502
00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:20,160
with that's packs? Yeah, just just the whole pact of

503
00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,599
what is set up. I liked how there is some

504
00:24:24,400 --> 00:24:27,160
uncertainty to what happens, because, like I mean, right at

505
00:24:27,200 --> 00:24:29,359
the start of the film, like we see her kind

506
00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,160
of doing that, like like giving herself up to a

507
00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:35,640
nos Faratu, which I I don't know. I imagine there's

508
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:38,000
some influence there from him on like the magic side

509
00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:40,359
of things, but for the sake of argument, it seems

510
00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:42,400
like she is doing it pretty willingly. So then that's

511
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,359
just what sets us up. That's like, Okay, now now

512
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:45,920
we just know that this character is going to be

513
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:50,400
the most susceptible to Nosferatu. I think I was a

514
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,319
little bit initially, like I don't want to say bothered,

515
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,359
just like I would have preferred if she actually had

516
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,279
gone maybe like with with Toma. But as the story

517
00:25:01,319 --> 00:25:04,640
went on, I definitely prefer this version. I think it

518
00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,039
also was just setting up in the sense of Tomas

519
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:09,000
was leaving and as soon as he like says is

520
00:25:09,039 --> 00:25:11,640
goodbye to Ellen, I was just like, man, we're never

521
00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,599
seeing this guy again, Like are you kidding me? He's

522
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:18,200
just he's going on horseback to fucking count Orlocks I

523
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,799
think that was his name, to his castle. And but

524
00:25:22,079 --> 00:25:24,880
I was shocked actually, like how a little amount of

525
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,880
time he's really there, Like it is what seems to

526
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,079
be a couple of nights, just with like the way

527
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:31,680
that the day and nights are going. I know, we're

528
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,640
doing like some trippy dream sequences throughout the whole film actually,

529
00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,960
so you don't really know exactly how much time has passed,

530
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,799
maybe in those moments, but I was pleasantly surprised with

531
00:25:40,839 --> 00:25:45,440
how little time there was on the like at the castle,

532
00:25:45,480 --> 00:25:48,039
because just from the trailers, like I knew that Nosferatu

533
00:25:48,119 --> 00:25:49,920
does go to the city at some point. I just

534
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,240
kind of thought that was gonna be like the big

535
00:25:51,279 --> 00:25:54,640
climax of the movie. So yeah, No, I ended up

536
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,480
really liking the decision to keep Ellena. I gotta get

537
00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,079
these IMDBs up. I keep making sept their names Ellen.

538
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:07,039
There you go, Helen Ellen, not Helen Ellen. I think

539
00:26:07,039 --> 00:26:09,200
I ended up really liking the decision to just keep

540
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,240
her distance away because it's still again made you feel

541
00:26:12,319 --> 00:26:15,240
like there is like a possession in her that that

542
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:17,839
isn't just separate, Like you don't just need Faratu here

543
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:21,000
to pull the strings on her, like she is just

544
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:26,599
like eternally infected with whatever the hell it is that

545
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:29,359
he's like, whether it's just the demonic presence or the

546
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:34,759
devilry at work. I liked having this just beacon of

547
00:26:34,839 --> 00:26:38,319
like terror, like in the city as you know, as

548
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:41,200
Telmas and count Orlock are at the castle.

549
00:26:41,279 --> 00:26:46,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, and it sucks too because she can she

550
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:50,200
has to renew her vows obviously to him, or rekindle

551
00:26:50,279 --> 00:26:52,319
that and put it out to the universe like I

552
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:53,039
am all yours.

553
00:26:53,160 --> 00:26:54,160
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah.

554
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:56,079
Speaker 1: But if she doesn't, which she can say, no, I

555
00:26:56,079 --> 00:26:58,519
mean he's just gonna keep killing and screwing around. And

556
00:26:59,319 --> 00:27:02,960
some of those scene where we got like her best

557
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:06,480
friend just on the floor being eaten up by playgrats.

558
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:06,839
Speaker 3: Was just oh.

559
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,960
Speaker 2: And the fact that we know that she's pregnant, it's like,

560
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:09,680
oh no.

561
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,319
Speaker 1: And then next after that it's like, okay, the two

562
00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:15,240
little girls, which I really wasn't expecting and I should

563
00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,920
have just like the way he just ragged all throws

564
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,799
that one daughter like on the ground, if you just

565
00:27:20,839 --> 00:27:22,079
like drank all their blood.

566
00:27:22,200 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

567
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:26,519
Speaker 3: Because I've gone through you know, some Robert Eggers films

568
00:27:26,559 --> 00:27:29,599
and especially The Witch, like there's some some graphic things

569
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,319
that happens to children in that movie. I was kind

570
00:27:32,319 --> 00:27:34,880
of assuming I was gonna see something gross, especially when

571
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,799
you hear like the screams, you know atj is just

572
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:41,400
fast asleep, he's not getting up, and then we're just

573
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,079
running to that room like, oh no, this is not

574
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,079
gonna be good, and then sure enough, Yeah, he's just

575
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:49,680
eating the little ones alive. And yeah, it's super, super grotesque,

576
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,559
and again, just like the whole I guess kind of

577
00:27:53,599 --> 00:27:56,359
like magic of what Nasaraudu was able to do, Like

578
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,359
he very much is influencing the town in certain ways

579
00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,559
because in that moment he's like, you will not awake,

580
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,799
and that's kind of what he says to Asparautu later

581
00:28:04,839 --> 00:28:06,920
in the castle. He does like a similar type of

582
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,880
influence thing on Nicholas Holt Tomas to like open the

583
00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:14,799
door for him, right, so he is able to like

584
00:28:14,839 --> 00:28:17,720
really influence them. I just really liked, I think the

585
00:28:17,839 --> 00:28:20,119
usage of it because every time it just felt like

586
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:23,839
it was a shadowy type thing that maybe you could

587
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:26,599
argue it's like it's not really magic at work, but

588
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:30,839
it is definitely because you know, no Spatu is very

589
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:32,640
much the one doing though, So I think I just

590
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,960
really appreciate the again what I was saying, the spoiler

591
00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:39,720
free section of just the line that they're drawing on,

592
00:28:39,799 --> 00:28:42,920
like the realism to like the fantasy type elements that

593
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,640
he just does such a good job of balancing it

594
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,519
where it doesn't feel so out of the top and

595
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:49,599
out there when when some of these things are happening,

596
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:53,000
even though we see like a vampire just drinking someone's blood,

597
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,400
and I will say, like the idea to do it

598
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,880
like on the chest, like where the heart is definitely

599
00:28:59,240 --> 00:29:02,279
new and unique, is like the classic just like sucking

600
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:04,440
on the neck thing. So it just seems a lot

601
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:08,000
more I don't know, animalistic, I think to be going

602
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,079
in through the chest that way, it's it's more intrusive

603
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:14,000
having two little pincers on your neck.

604
00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: And they also set it up too where you kind

605
00:29:16,279 --> 00:29:18,319
of feel like, is he changing into wolves and changing

606
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,839
into the rats to himself because of just how things transition.

607
00:29:22,319 --> 00:29:24,759
But really he's just he's a moving shadow. I mean,

608
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,680
the dogs are just his his companions, and the rats

609
00:29:27,759 --> 00:29:31,799
or his companions too, and he's not well, he's infecting,

610
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,200
but he's not necessarily turning others in the vampires either,

611
00:29:35,319 --> 00:29:39,319
right like he we know with Tamassa's character, he got

612
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,200
bit and infected with this plague, but he was immune

613
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,039
to it because of what the I'm gonna call it

614
00:29:45,119 --> 00:29:48,559
just the monastery of the Little Chapel, the nuns and the.

615
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:50,359
Speaker 2: Religious folks that were in there. They were able to

616
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:50,839
kind of like.

617
00:29:50,799 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Help cure him a bit, as he was saying, but

618
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:55,000
he still felt like he was a little bit under

619
00:29:55,279 --> 00:29:57,039
the umbrella of nas fharatum.

620
00:29:57,240 --> 00:29:59,880
Speaker 2: Hm, where is everyone else just getting bit by their

621
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:03,240
is fucked? So yeah, he was.

622
00:30:03,279 --> 00:30:07,640
Speaker 1: Just I just the idea of him going out there

623
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,359
and you have your wife begging you to stay, and

624
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,319
you know she's talking about weddings to death and everyone's dead,

625
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:15,359
and you're just going off for six weeks. Like I

626
00:30:15,359 --> 00:30:19,079
wouldn't feel comfortable about that, and I didn't in the

627
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,400
movie obviously watching him go and do that, but him

628
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:26,039
meeting or Lock and just how just that when you

629
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,200
get to hero, ARC's like voice and just how he's

630
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:32,240
addressing and that was just so crazy and freaky and powerful.

631
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:37,440
But the whole setup with the firm and the real

632
00:30:37,559 --> 00:30:40,839
estate agency, and I was not expecting, like his boss

633
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:43,519
to just go ape ship because when they caught the guy,

634
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,559
I was trying to figure, Okay, who did they catch?

635
00:30:45,599 --> 00:30:48,599
Did they did Tomas all of a sudden get back,

636
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:50,559
because this is after he jumped out the window and

637
00:30:50,599 --> 00:30:52,880
he was bitten, he was tortured and I thought, Okay,

638
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,519
the next scene is now they the hospital caught the

639
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,960
guy because he was ripping cheap in half or whatever

640
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,240
and eating them. I thought, okay, that's gotta be Thomas,

641
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,400
like Hold's character, but no, it wasn't. It was his boss,

642
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:09,039
the estate agent, and he just like I thought it

643
00:31:09,079 --> 00:31:10,359
was a fake out, and I didn't think they were

644
00:31:10,359 --> 00:31:12,000
gonna do it because he puts his mouth over the

645
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:14,319
pigeon and the back. Oh yeah, but then no, he's

646
00:31:14,359 --> 00:31:17,759
just oh man, he just it's Thanksgiving dinner for him.

647
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. There's a couple again, in every Robert Egger's film,

648
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:23,319
there's a scene where it's just kind of you don't

649
00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,440
want to be eaten in those moments, and that was

650
00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:28,279
definitely one of them. And yeah, I mean it's just

651
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:32,359
like powerful imagery, right when you get like Thomas being

652
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:34,440
sent away for like six weeks from these things, and

653
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,079
then it just like goes to his his boss just

654
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,720
doing like sitting on like a pentagram and like just

655
00:31:39,799 --> 00:31:43,599
carving things with blood, and you're like, oh fuck, like Tomas,

656
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:45,119
it is over for you. And then of course that's

657
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:46,839
when then so when he goes away and I'm like,

658
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,880
oh no, it's it's all over for Thomas. He's just

659
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,039
being sent to his death. And I thought it was

660
00:31:53,119 --> 00:31:55,599
I don't know, I I like the usage of that character.

661
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,759
I'm glad it wasn't like overdone in the sense of

662
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,519
like this is his henchman that's been doing these things

663
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,480
all like he is. He is a henchman doing things

664
00:32:03,519 --> 00:32:05,920
for him, but it's not like everything that's been going

665
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,480
on was done by this crazy person. Like I liked

666
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:08,960
how it was.

667
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:13,039
Speaker 2: Did you forget about him? He comes back at the end,

668
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:14,400
like all this fucking guy.

669
00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:16,920
Speaker 3: I kind of did forget about him, honestly, and I

670
00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:18,920
was just like shocked when he just like escapes prison.

671
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,200
I'm like, of course, of course, yeah, we're getting this

672
00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:23,119
guy out. So maybe that was a little bit of

673
00:32:23,119 --> 00:32:27,759
an eye rolly moment, but yeah, it was. It was.

674
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,799
It was a good like vampire thrall type character to

675
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:35,920
have because again, just throw other vampire medias like even

676
00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:38,200
in like Skyrim, like for the Vampire DLC, like they

677
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:41,480
had like vampire thralls which are just like completely loyal

678
00:32:41,519 --> 00:32:44,400
to them no matter what, and that's kind of a

679
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,519
fucked up version of that. But uh yeah, very loyal

680
00:32:47,599 --> 00:32:50,799
and I don't know it, just it made it seem

681
00:32:50,839 --> 00:32:54,680
like all orchestrated by you know, Noscerat to himself. So

682
00:32:54,759 --> 00:32:57,000
I liked how that was going.

683
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,079
Speaker 1: And I guess so, I mean, he he had a

684
00:33:00,319 --> 00:33:02,480
long time to kind of ponder this because, like we

685
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:03,240
talked about, he was.

686
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Asleep and then.

687
00:33:05,799 --> 00:33:09,359
Speaker 1: Ellen woke him up from his stance when she was

688
00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,200
reaching out, and then we get that time jump by

689
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,279
a few years. And so obviously at this point he's

690
00:33:13,519 --> 00:33:17,559
he's worked out the details and he's reached into this

691
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:19,920
this firm to kind of like cement his way, like Okay,

692
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:21,319
I want to get this house, I want to come

693
00:33:21,319 --> 00:33:23,960
out here, and all that kind of stuff. So he's

694
00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,920
definitely definitely mapped it. And I guess his plan was

695
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:30,920
to lure to mass away from her because he knew

696
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,039
that she had remarried. But it's I'm assuming that's the case,

697
00:33:35,079 --> 00:33:38,720
because it's hard to know how much manipulation he can do,

698
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:41,319
and in this time period, like how much of his

699
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,480
manipulation was limited because things changed where she was pledging

700
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,279
herself to him and then she kind of redacted that

701
00:33:49,359 --> 00:33:52,799
and became married some married someone else, and so okay,

702
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,319
I need to get this guy out to my castle.

703
00:33:55,599 --> 00:33:57,519
And even though he's kind of going through like and

704
00:33:57,559 --> 00:33:59,400
he spends a few nights that he's going through the

705
00:33:59,480 --> 00:34:03,559
ropes with uh to mass Orlock still at the end

706
00:34:03,599 --> 00:34:06,799
of the day kills him and he just kind of

707
00:34:06,839 --> 00:34:08,920
starts to go insane while he's staying there.

708
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, that's what I was a little bit confused

709
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:13,840
on because I wasn't sure if it was just Orlock

710
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:16,599
like fucking with them all about saying that, like he

711
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,039
signed to annul the marriage, but like, is that actually

712
00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:22,000
what happened like when he was at the castle, because

713
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:25,159
it was all in Orlock's like, what do you say

714
00:34:25,199 --> 00:34:27,840
the language of my forefathers. Yeah, so like he just

715
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,679
blindly like signed this thing away, which I thought as

716
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:32,039
soon as he did it, he was just gonna get

717
00:34:32,039 --> 00:34:34,159
eaten because it's like, Okay, this just ends the marriage

718
00:34:34,159 --> 00:34:36,800
here he's paying for it with gold and then of

719
00:34:36,800 --> 00:34:40,519
course he mentions that to Ellen later on it's just

720
00:34:40,559 --> 00:34:43,840
something to like wedge them apart. So I think I

721
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:48,119
was a little bit confused on the overall goal of

722
00:34:48,519 --> 00:34:51,559
what Nosferatu what like had for Thomas of going to

723
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,679
the castle, because he clearly lured them he clearly lured

724
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,039
him there for a reason, and I think it is

725
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:59,079
just maybe that that like he signed it to annul

726
00:34:59,079 --> 00:35:04,800
the marriage. But yeah, because I imagine that, Yeah, because

727
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,320
like how it ends, it's not like he just lets

728
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,199
him go right like he does kind of jump out

729
00:35:09,239 --> 00:35:11,360
of the window. I imagine his wolves were gonna just

730
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:13,880
eat him there. But yeah, I don't know why not

731
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:16,440
Auto wouldn't have just drank him dry. You know, I

732
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:19,159
feel like he kind of neats that for sustenance and power.

733
00:35:19,199 --> 00:35:21,840
But maybe just ya, he just wants Ellen's blood.

734
00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: You know. You get a wild scene of him just

735
00:35:25,840 --> 00:35:28,599
like he's dry humping, but he's.

736
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:30,119
Speaker 3: Like, oh yeah, yeah.

737
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 2: Just goddamn just going to town.

738
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:35,280
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, man, oh yeah. And then like even even

739
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,599
before that, right when when he like straddles him and

740
00:35:37,639 --> 00:35:40,360
then it's just like a classic Robbert Aggres like quick

741
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:41,679
shot you know in The Witch when it does a

742
00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:44,239
quick shot of like the crow just pecking away at

743
00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:47,639
her boob and that one later on scene The Witch,

744
00:35:47,679 --> 00:35:50,480
but uh, like when he like mounts him and then

745
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,760
it just goes to like Ellen like covered in blood,

746
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:55,039
all naked, like really quick shot, and then and then

747
00:35:55,039 --> 00:35:58,159
it just goes back to what's happening and yeah, classic

748
00:35:58,199 --> 00:36:03,719
Robert Aggres, those just gut wrenching visuals. Yeah that was

749
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:04,760
that was gross.

750
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 2: That was gross. Do you have you have you want

751
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:08,880
to see yours?

752
00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,280
Speaker 3: I was just gonna like add on to that that

753
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,199
last little like dry humping thing. I feel like, and

754
00:36:13,519 --> 00:36:15,519
I'm not the most well read in vampires, I might

755
00:36:15,559 --> 00:36:17,800
be off the weeds here, but to my understanding, I

756
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:20,679
feel like the whole idea of like vampires like drinking

757
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:23,800
your blood, it is like a pretty much a sexual

758
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,880
process for them, right, Like, like vampires usually always exude that

759
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:30,679
type of like sexual charisma and just like seducing people

760
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,000
to like, I don't know, just get close to them

761
00:36:33,039 --> 00:36:35,480
and then eventually drink their blood. So I did like

762
00:36:35,559 --> 00:36:38,880
how every time that like he was feasting on someone,

763
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:40,880
it pretty much just looked like he was like try

764
00:36:40,960 --> 00:36:43,639
humping them, because it is a very you know, it's

765
00:36:43,679 --> 00:36:45,800
a fucked up thing, but like it is very intimate

766
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,559
in that sense where it's not like they're just shooting

767
00:36:47,599 --> 00:36:50,599
you from afar, like they are getting close and personal

768
00:36:50,639 --> 00:36:53,599
and embracing you, even though if they're just drinking your

769
00:36:53,599 --> 00:36:56,960
blood dry. So it was it was something that was

770
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,039
different than just a classic vampire, you know, bite on

771
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:01,559
the neck to drink you, but also just kept it

772
00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,079
be steal enough to make it feel like a wild.

773
00:37:04,920 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 2: Animal, predator, prey kind of a thing. Yeah.

774
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: So yeah, But Aaron Taylor Johnson's character, uh friedrich. He

775
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:19,000
I liked his relationship with Tamas. I thought that was

776
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:21,719
a lot of fun and just what a great best friend.

777
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,840
You know, he's rich, He's lent money to Tamas, and

778
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Tamas is going away for like six weeks and he's.

779
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:28,239
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, your wife can stay here with us.

780
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,159
Speaker 1: And his wife, Like Tomas's wife just goes fucking berserk,

781
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:34,960
just walking around so bad. They got actually tired of

782
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,519
the fucking bed. It's the same house with his two daughters.

783
00:37:38,559 --> 00:37:39,719
Speaker 2: Like he put up with it.

784
00:37:39,639 --> 00:37:42,920
Speaker 1: For a long freaking time until finally he did not

785
00:37:43,039 --> 00:37:45,360
because incidences with his wife.

786
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:49,280
Speaker 3: But yeah, I would say, you know, he definitely got

787
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:51,159
the ship end of the stick. He was just being

788
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,400
a friend. It seemed like Thomas early on was kind

789
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:57,719
of hinting that like he owed him money or something

790
00:37:57,760 --> 00:37:59,519
like he clearly like had helped him out in the past,

791
00:37:59,519 --> 00:38:01,000
and he's like, well, don't worry about it, my friend

792
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:02,760
I'm so happy for you. Like he just seems like

793
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,320
a really genuine guy, to the point that later on

794
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:08,159
when Ellen is like, you never liked me, you always

795
00:38:08,159 --> 00:38:11,000
hated me, and then I feel like it's kind of unjustified.

796
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,679
And maybe that's just some of the possession coming out,

797
00:38:12,679 --> 00:38:14,679
where she's just trying to get under his skin and

798
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:17,679
being like a demon type possessed because like he really

799
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,280
hasn't been right, like he's been super kind, he's been

800
00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:22,320
able to kind of kick her to the curb, like

801
00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,639
he's he's like paying for this doctor to come take

802
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,280
care of her. And yeah, like you said, like putting

803
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,000
his pregnant white wife at risk with his two young

804
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:34,280
girls that you know ultimately bite the bullet later on,

805
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,639
and then uh, yeah, it was. It was a poor,

806
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:41,880
poor character and a much better performance than coming off

807
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:44,639
of Craven. I like to see ATJ in these roles

808
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,880
and very different type of role, right, Like he's doing

809
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,760
a completely different accent, and yeah, I thought he fit

810
00:38:49,840 --> 00:38:53,239
the role well, So a more of ATJ and these

811
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:54,880
these side roles.

812
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I and I really like that he played

813
00:38:57,039 --> 00:38:58,079
this kind of devil's advocate.

814
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 2: He was not really fall for what.

815
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:05,519
Speaker 1: Willem Dafoe was putting down with this like demons and

816
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:06,239
all that kind of stuff.

817
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 2: He was present for it, but he was just thinking,

818
00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:08,239
it's all a.

819
00:39:08,159 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: Bunch of humbug, and you know, he got infected and

820
00:39:11,840 --> 00:39:14,440
it was not going good because he goes They needed him,

821
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,480
I mean, they needed bodies, they needed people to help

822
00:39:16,519 --> 00:39:19,159
him fight and do this kind of whole shindig. But

823
00:39:19,679 --> 00:39:22,599
he goes off and he finds his dead wife and

824
00:39:23,079 --> 00:39:25,679
in the coffin after the funeral, and I'm pretty sure

825
00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:27,880
that he engaged.

826
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:34,880
Speaker 2: In some necrophilia. It's just my assumption. So that was

827
00:39:34,960 --> 00:39:35,480
that was rough.

828
00:39:35,519 --> 00:39:37,719
Speaker 1: You know, that guy, he's going through some some hardships.

829
00:39:37,719 --> 00:39:38,679
Then they let him on fire.

830
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 2: God dang. But I like the character. I thought. I

831
00:39:44,960 --> 00:39:46,840
thought that Aaron hon Johnson did a did a good

832
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:50,199
job with that. And when I was looking on the Wikipedia,

833
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:50,920
it seems.

834
00:39:50,599 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: Like all these characters are based on yeah, bram Stoker equivalents,

835
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:58,320
where like the Thomas Employers based off bram Stoker's Renfield,

836
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:02,639
who was like the obsist servient of Jacula, than Willem

837
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:06,800
Dafoe is based on Abraham van Helsing and then Aaron.

838
00:40:06,599 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: Taylor Johnson van Helsing. Really, that's like the original character's name, that's.

839
00:40:11,159 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 2: Crazy Abraham van Helsing.

840
00:40:13,039 --> 00:40:14,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool.

841
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:16,599
Speaker 2: I'm I'm not sure if there's like a few.

842
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: Different well I'm assuming it's probably different interpretations of Van Helsing,

843
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,480
but my head Cannon Willem Dafoe is the Hugh Jackman

844
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:23,960
van Helsing.

845
00:40:24,079 --> 00:40:26,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean he is a vampire hunter, right, Yeah,

846
00:40:27,039 --> 00:40:29,239
like he's he's hunting him down. He knows how to

847
00:40:29,320 --> 00:40:33,480
kill them. So that's cool. No, I like that. I yeah,

848
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,480
because I just because I had never seen the original

849
00:40:35,599 --> 00:40:38,280
Nosferrato I think from like nineteen twenty two or something like.

850
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:41,559
It is a long time ago, you know. I've heard

851
00:40:41,599 --> 00:40:45,199
it's a classic, very well made film for the time.

852
00:40:45,320 --> 00:40:48,559
But just because we had seen this, I was just

853
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:53,480
googling some things and yeah, it's cool. How like accurate,

854
00:40:53,599 --> 00:40:55,480
I guess, I'll say, of just like the retelling of

855
00:40:55,519 --> 00:40:58,320
the story and using the same names and pretty much

856
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:04,559
the same beats honestly of everything that is happening. So yeah, yeah, yeah.

857
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:07,599
Speaker 1: Uh was to a quick ad break and we'll continue on.

858
00:41:07,719 --> 00:41:11,840
We'll be right back, and we are back.

859
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 3: So we uh, you know, we mentioned a few times

860
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:18,159
here our main h our main cuckold of the of

861
00:41:18,199 --> 00:41:22,679
the movie, mister Thomas Hutter. Uh, poor poor Sap, you

862
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:25,679
know it. Uh. He definitely gets set up in a

863
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:29,719
brutal manner of just trying to impress his boss and

864
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:32,320
pretty much just doing all these things for his wife, right.

865
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,039
Like he says like he he wants so much for

866
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:37,599
her and she he believes that she deserves like the

867
00:41:37,639 --> 00:41:39,719
giant house to be living in. And I'm sure that's

868
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:42,840
just like a that was kind of like the drive

869
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:45,519
I guess for people back then of just like if

870
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:47,400
you have the one man that's like working, you have

871
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:50,199
to have a good job to like support your whole family,

872
00:41:50,280 --> 00:41:52,440
and then he deserves he thinks that she deserves the

873
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,880
whole world. So I think I think it's like set

874
00:41:55,960 --> 00:42:01,079
up in a very like honorable man right or like

875
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:02,840
it's not like he's just doing this for like to

876
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:05,280
further his career. I guess he kind of is, but

877
00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:07,280
really he keeps mentioning that it is for her, and

878
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,760
I think like the love that he feels for her

879
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:13,599
and like for her towards him, like it does feel

880
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:16,679
very genuine. So I think it's just, yeah, it's a

881
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:21,440
it's a really really sad tale for this for this guy. Uh,

882
00:42:21,480 --> 00:42:23,800
he does make it back to see his wife, but

883
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:26,440
he sure goes through a lot of things on his way,

884
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:28,119
even just like when he gets to like the gypsy

885
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:31,239
camp and he just has no idea what the hell's

886
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:34,920
going on. They steal his horse, they disappear, and he's

887
00:42:34,960 --> 00:42:37,239
just kind of going on these like fever dreams throughout

888
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:41,239
like the whole adventure. And yeah, I just I don't know,

889
00:42:41,280 --> 00:42:44,559
I really like the performance from Nicholas Holt. I think

890
00:42:44,599 --> 00:42:48,119
he was really really great. And again, like I think

891
00:42:48,159 --> 00:42:50,239
I just kind of thought the character was gonna die

892
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,519
like really early on because he does get sent to

893
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:54,960
the castle. But I am glad that he I mean,

894
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,800
he survived the whole adventure, right, he's very mentally distraught

895
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:03,159
and wasn't able to save his one true love. But yeah, no,

896
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:08,119
I thought it was a really sad character overall, and

897
00:43:08,599 --> 00:43:10,320
he was just trying to do what he could for

898
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:14,280
his wife, and like I will, I guess Ellen does

899
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,480
mention that like she doesn't need all these things that

900
00:43:16,480 --> 00:43:18,519
he's trying to give her, So maybe that's a downfall

901
00:43:18,519 --> 00:43:20,400
of the characters, Like he's not just really listening to

902
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:24,320
her in that sense, you know, could have probably avoided

903
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,360
a lot of this. But I don't think just the

904
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,199
fact of him not going to the castle to sell

905
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:32,639
this plot of land to Count Orlock would really stop anything.

906
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:34,880
Like I think the Count would have been getting his

907
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,519
grimy little fingers on Ellen at some point one way

908
00:43:38,719 --> 00:43:41,239
or the other. Right, Like, he just seems like if

909
00:43:41,280 --> 00:43:43,639
he can get a boat to there, like he can

910
00:43:43,679 --> 00:43:44,960
do many more things.

911
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:50,039
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I agree he was taking advantage of

912
00:43:50,079 --> 00:43:52,679
for his love and his aspirations for his wife, and

913
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,920
I like that, you know, he that's what kind of

914
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:58,599
funnels him forward at a time period too, when I

915
00:43:58,599 --> 00:44:02,360
imagine you're working abroad, is much more so than norm

916
00:44:02,679 --> 00:44:04,960
long periods of time. And when he gets to that

917
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:09,320
gypsy camp and he feels uncomfortable, but like he pays

918
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,280
his for his room and board and he's there and

919
00:44:11,320 --> 00:44:13,719
he wakes them on night and he sees them like

920
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:17,480
unearthed this there's a naked woman on a horse and

921
00:44:17,519 --> 00:44:19,719
they pull out this guy. They stab him and the

922
00:44:20,039 --> 00:44:22,559
dead guy pukes blood and he's like I felt like

923
00:44:22,599 --> 00:44:27,159
it was like that that moment of Blockers where John

924
00:44:27,280 --> 00:44:30,639
Cena guy haveing sex because the lead gypsy like Locks

925
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:33,599
eyes with with Tomas and he's.

926
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,679
Speaker 2: Like, out went the woods, like, oh my god, like

927
00:44:36,800 --> 00:44:39,480
Lock Eyes. So I was kind of laughing at that.

928
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:43,039
Speaker 1: But he wakes up, Yeah, he he knows that, okay,

929
00:44:43,079 --> 00:44:45,320
what happened is real because he's got muddle over his shoes.

930
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:46,559
Speaker 2: He's back in his bed.

931
00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:49,679
Speaker 1: But with the fact that no one was answering him,

932
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:52,119
I took it like, Okay, maybe or Lock came down

933
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:57,199
here and killed everyone so that Tamask could continue on

934
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:01,480
and make his trek. Or maybe maybe it is just

935
00:45:01,519 --> 00:45:03,920
the gypsies did take the horse and just bucker off.

936
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like, well, they probably could

937
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:08,360
have this.

938
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: This seems like the Gypsies weren't really welcome there because

939
00:45:10,559 --> 00:45:13,280
the shop owner guy was like you gypsies, get out

940
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,760
of here, bad luck, yead YadA yadas. So I guess

941
00:45:17,159 --> 00:45:22,039
who knows up to interpretation, but him getting back barely

942
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:25,840
just by a threat. And then I was not expecting,

943
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:27,519
like I knew it was gonna happen because we talked

944
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:29,119
about on the trailer, so I knew there was gonna

945
00:45:29,159 --> 00:45:31,360
be like there's gonna be a sex scene, but I

946
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:34,840
was not expecting like the context of that when she's

947
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:38,559
like in and out between personalities and he just thinks

948
00:45:38,599 --> 00:45:40,719
it's a good idea to just do it now with

949
00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:41,599
her wild.

950
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,039
Speaker 3: I think he was getting seduced with the energy, honestly,

951
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:45,639
because it doesn't seem like he's in the mood. And

952
00:45:45,679 --> 00:45:52,880
then oh, fuck me, it's funny because then the trailer,

953
00:45:53,039 --> 00:45:54,440
I think we just all assumed that I was like

954
00:45:54,480 --> 00:45:56,079
nos Fara too, given it to her. But you know,

955
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:59,519
yeah those our man Tomas he was was given it

956
00:45:59,599 --> 00:45:59,800
to her.

957
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:03,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Jesus Christ.

958
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:07,559
Speaker 1: So he definitely fell for the plan because I think

959
00:46:07,599 --> 00:46:10,760
it was a very it was it was unfortunate because

960
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:13,199
she dies, but it was it was a well orchestrated

961
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,440
plan with at the Willem Dafoue kind of pieced together

962
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,440
like okay, the only the only certainty is that he's

963
00:46:18,440 --> 00:46:20,039
gonna come for you and you can use it to

964
00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:23,000
your advantage, like he just craves your blood, So just

965
00:46:23,400 --> 00:46:26,480
keep him out till till daybreak. And it almost seems

966
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:30,119
like he didn't care because like he sunlight rose up

967
00:46:30,199 --> 00:46:32,559
and Sparatu was just like Orlock was.

968
00:46:33,119 --> 00:46:36,079
Speaker 2: He was just like loving his time. He was just

969
00:46:36,159 --> 00:46:37,480
having like this is just.

970
00:46:37,519 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 3: Busted such a good nut. Then he's so weak he

971
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:46,800
just couldn't even move. Yeah. No, I've found some humor

972
00:46:46,840 --> 00:46:48,719
in that moment because of that, right, Like, like he

973
00:46:48,840 --> 00:46:53,000
clearly has seen what's happening, but he's just then just

974
00:46:53,000 --> 00:46:58,000
just dies right then. And there it's you know, beautiful image,

975
00:46:58,320 --> 00:47:00,360
as fucked up as it is, but uh, I just

976
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,559
couldn't help a chuckle when he's just yeah, his face

977
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:06,119
when he just realized what's happened. And I guess it

978
00:47:06,199 --> 00:47:08,079
was just so good he just didn't even care. It

979
00:47:08,159 --> 00:47:10,360
was just, yeah, this is what he wanted. And I

980
00:47:10,360 --> 00:47:12,079
guess that also you can make the argument that's just

981
00:47:12,119 --> 00:47:14,599
he was so obsessed with her blood that like he

982
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,920
was putting himself in peril, you know, just to get

983
00:47:17,960 --> 00:47:18,679
to her blood.

984
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:24,599
Speaker 1: And yeah, you get that great top down shot too,

985
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,960
where it's just him on top of her and.

986
00:47:28,559 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 3: The great top down shot. Yeah, a lot of blood

987
00:47:31,719 --> 00:47:36,000
going on and just yeah, she took it like a chap.

988
00:47:36,199 --> 00:47:40,880
She did. She sacrificed herself and poor Thomas to have

989
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,360
to find her like that. But it was her decision, right.

990
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,320
It was the same as like I guess the prophecy

991
00:47:46,519 --> 00:47:48,679
or whatever it was. It's kind of like was said,

992
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:50,679
that's how to take her out, and I don't know,

993
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:55,480
Like I I also kind of assumed that because when

994
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:58,360
they find what was his name, Knock, I think that

995
00:47:58,519 --> 00:48:03,760
was the I think Knock was like his yeah boss, Yeah,

996
00:48:04,119 --> 00:48:06,800
so like he was laying in a coffin. Was that

997
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:08,559
was that Nosratu's coffin?

998
00:48:09,400 --> 00:48:09,599
Speaker 2: Yeah?

999
00:48:09,599 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 3: Okay, I figured as much. So that's another reason why

1000
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,440
he's able to die there, right because they did take

1001
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,719
out his grave or did it just not matter because

1002
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:18,800
he didn't have that grave anymore.

1003
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,639
Speaker 1: Just I think it mattered because that that had the

1004
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:23,039
dirt from his homeland, right, so he needs his knee

1005
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,199
in there every night. So without that, I mean he's toast.

1006
00:48:26,599 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 3: Okay. I just like because the sun was coming up,

1007
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:34,960
you know, just busted his his nuts or whatever he has.

1008
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:37,159
Like I guess he could have fled, but like he

1009
00:48:37,199 --> 00:48:39,199
wouldn't have been able to make it there in time anyways,

1010
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:42,880
even if the coffin was there, So he was he

1011
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:46,079
made his decision when he entered that room. It was

1012
00:48:46,079 --> 00:48:46,880
pointing to return.

1013
00:48:47,400 --> 00:48:50,599
Speaker 1: Yeah he uh, where was I gonna go with that?

1014
00:48:52,960 --> 00:48:56,679
Speaker 2: Him being there and burning? Oh man? Oh Williams a

1015
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:57,239
Fosse character.

1016
00:48:57,280 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 1: Okay, so he I I realize this in retrospect at

1017
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:06,159
this point, after he put the flowers down around both

1018
00:49:06,159 --> 00:49:09,480
their bodies and Atu was dead. In retrospect, there's so

1019
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,360
many reflections here, and I'm really wondering what Robert Egger

1020
00:49:12,519 --> 00:49:15,000
was thinking. Not a bad way, I was just I'm

1021
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,199
kind of curious because when will Dafoe is standing in there,

1022
00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:19,440
you see only his back as he's looking out towards

1023
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:20,880
the city and the sun. But in the mirror on

1024
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,559
the left you see his reflection of his face. And

1025
00:49:23,599 --> 00:49:26,719
that's consistent with many of the shots with Ellen. When

1026
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:30,039
you see her and just kind of moving around and

1027
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:32,559
just standing around, you see reflections of her or her

1028
00:49:32,599 --> 00:49:35,239
face in the mirror and so forth. So many different things,

1029
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:38,119
and I'm wondering, Okay, was there a quick spot where

1030
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,719
notsprat to or maybe someone else like you don't see

1031
00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:43,800
the reflection, because that's a vampire thing as well. But again,

1032
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:46,039
maybe I'm diving too deep into that, and maybe it's

1033
00:49:46,079 --> 00:49:49,000
just to add a little bit more cinematic kind of flare,

1034
00:49:49,599 --> 00:49:51,840
but I'm curious to know why he was tackling that.

1035
00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:55,840
But my favorite line was when William Dafoe was walking

1036
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:58,360
with Ellen and Allen was taking him back to his place,

1037
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:03,400
and basically he just kind of acknowledges her as it's like,

1038
00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,480
if you were born at the time with like Iris

1039
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,280
and you know, Egyptians and stuff like that, you would

1040
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:11,119
have been like a priestess. They would have turned to

1041
00:50:11,199 --> 00:50:14,159
you for information and wisdom and all this sorts of stuff.

1042
00:50:14,159 --> 00:50:17,159
But now, and he's throwing shade on how like man

1043
00:50:17,159 --> 00:50:19,239
has kind of distanced himself from that kind of stuff

1044
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,159
and is like attached.

1045
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,599
Speaker 2: Onto like the science of things and everything. I just

1046
00:50:23,639 --> 00:50:24,360
really liked that line.

1047
00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,039
Speaker 1: He did a great job delivering it and just kind

1048
00:50:26,039 --> 00:50:28,960
of praising her for her courage and how she feels

1049
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,119
like that darkness and how she talks about how okay

1050
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:32,800
is do we all have darkness in us?

1051
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:34,159
Speaker 2: Or does darkness come from beyond?

1052
00:50:34,159 --> 00:50:38,320
Speaker 1: And how just reaffirming her that she can harken on

1053
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:43,079
to her her light and be good and just really

1054
00:50:43,079 --> 00:50:44,519
make her make her out to be a hero.

1055
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,920
Speaker 2: So, yeah, the characters in this are just great.

1056
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:50,880
Speaker 1: I really love their journeys that go on, and it's

1057
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:54,840
it's quite a tribulative experience for some more than others.

1058
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:58,760
Speaker 2: Like like Tomas, Yeah, poor Tomas.

1059
00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:03,320
Speaker 3: He's uh, poor Chap. What else do we have for

1060
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:07,119
characters we mentioned? Oh, it was great to see Rafe innocent.

1061
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:09,800
I hope that's how you say his name spelled r

1062
00:51:09,920 --> 00:51:12,000
A L P H. He's the Father and the Witch.

1063
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,599
He's like the first Doctor and he Willem Sivers and

1064
00:51:17,639 --> 00:51:19,960
then he goes and you know, seeks out the pro

1065
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,960
doctor van Helsing himself. But I just I don't know

1066
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,440
he fits these like time periods so well, just like

1067
00:51:27,480 --> 00:51:29,320
with the way that he drops lines and whatnot. And

1068
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:33,320
I liked him in a more innocent role. Well I

1069
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,199
guess he's kind of innocent in The Witch, but he

1070
00:51:35,280 --> 00:51:39,159
definitely descends into madness there. But no, I just I

1071
00:51:39,280 --> 00:51:42,079
like to see him in here and the other cast

1072
00:51:42,119 --> 00:51:44,320
and crew too, like Emma Corn who of course was

1073
00:51:44,360 --> 00:51:52,039
in Deadpool versus Wolverine. That was Xavier's twin sister. I

1074
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,480
think that's the relation there, and then so so that

1075
00:51:54,679 --> 00:51:58,679
was Frederick's wife. And yeah, so it was cool to

1076
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,280
just see the cast and here and of course, like

1077
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:03,440
we'd seen trailers and stuff, but I just didn't really

1078
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,239
want to watch too much going into it. I saw

1079
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:08,360
like the one theater trailer and I was like, yeah, okay,

1080
00:52:08,599 --> 00:52:10,679
I'm ready for this. So just seeing some of the

1081
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:13,280
faces pop in, and we've already kind of talked about

1082
00:52:13,280 --> 00:52:15,719
a few times, but like Count Orlock, Bill Scarzard, he's

1083
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:19,599
just so damn good at these like horror roles. And

1084
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,920
I guess I'll just lead into my overalls on Count

1085
00:52:24,000 --> 00:52:28,119
Orlock himself and Nosferatu. And because of like Nosferatu, like

1086
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:30,440
the one from the from the nineteen twenties, is just

1087
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,920
so iconic of like the big bald head and like

1088
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,960
the pointy teeth, like it is just a very striking

1089
00:52:39,039 --> 00:52:41,960
image in that, like it would have been I guess

1090
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,079
easy for them to just recreate that, but also a

1091
00:52:44,079 --> 00:52:46,239
little bit lazy, Like I am glad that they did

1092
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,679
their own version here. The decision to give him like

1093
00:52:48,679 --> 00:52:52,599
this big fucking like count mustache thing was really intriguing,

1094
00:52:52,599 --> 00:52:54,679
and I was kind of thrown off by that, and

1095
00:52:55,159 --> 00:52:57,440
I don't know, I just liked his overall aesthetic of

1096
00:52:57,480 --> 00:53:00,119
like the big furs part of me and everything that

1097
00:53:00,159 --> 00:53:02,920
he was wearing, the big hat that he's wearing in

1098
00:53:02,960 --> 00:53:07,280
the castle, and how you don't yeah, yeah, exactly, like

1099
00:53:07,280 --> 00:53:11,119
a very Russian style, even though they say they're in Germany.

1100
00:53:11,039 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: Transylvania because they don't say it, but that's where they

1101
00:53:13,840 --> 00:53:14,559
point on the map.

1102
00:53:14,559 --> 00:53:15,079
Speaker 2: You can see it.

1103
00:53:15,159 --> 00:53:17,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, It's just like when like the scene happens in

1104
00:53:18,000 --> 00:53:20,320
the beginning, it says years later and then it says

1105
00:53:20,320 --> 00:53:25,039
like Germany eighteen whatever, So I guess that goes to

1106
00:53:25,039 --> 00:53:27,639
show my geography knowledge. You don't really know where anything is,

1107
00:53:27,639 --> 00:53:32,679
but yeah, no, I I just liked the whole esthetic

1108
00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:34,440
of what he was and how you don't really see

1109
00:53:34,559 --> 00:53:36,599
him like that much like you see some of his

1110
00:53:36,679 --> 00:53:39,920
details in the Shadow. But that whole castle sequence was

1111
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:41,679
just like ten out of ten for me. It was

1112
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,719
just it's so much build up of suspense. He's like

1113
00:53:44,920 --> 00:53:47,559
zipping around like how like a shadow would, kind of

1114
00:53:47,559 --> 00:53:50,559
how vampire would, but like this, Yeah, oh I did

1115
00:53:50,599 --> 00:53:53,280
the lines and everything. I remember seeing something. It took

1116
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:54,719
it like that was like the hardest part of the

1117
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:57,119
role for him was to just capture that voice, and

1118
00:53:57,639 --> 00:54:00,320
he did such a good job with it. It's it's

1119
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:03,840
like classic like the count from Sesame Street Style right

1120
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:05,719
where he's like just just the way that he drops

1121
00:54:05,760 --> 00:54:09,360
lines but still very menacing and very scary in it.

1122
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:13,559
And it feels evil in his breath, and yeah, you

1123
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:15,199
just don't really know what he's going to do. And

1124
00:54:15,239 --> 00:54:19,000
I think that's a fascinating aspect to vampires. And when

1125
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,360
they're told that way how they are, they can be

1126
00:54:21,480 --> 00:54:23,880
very charismatic and welkeeing you in, you know, like sit

1127
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,559
by the fire, eat like all these things, but you

1128
00:54:26,639 --> 00:54:28,519
nick your blood and it just like the zoom and

1129
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:31,000
shot of his eyes and he's just you don't know

1130
00:54:31,039 --> 00:54:33,960
if he's gonna just eat you right away. Yeah, oh man,

1131
00:54:34,039 --> 00:54:37,199
I really really really was impressed with just the whole

1132
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,519
performance of Nosferatu. And honestly, I think I could have

1133
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:44,119
taken more of it. Like I maybe I can debate

1134
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:47,199
like it is better that he is not so much

1135
00:54:47,360 --> 00:54:49,800
on screen, so therefore when he is on screen, it's

1136
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,320
a lot more impactful and powerful. But yeah, I think

1137
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,039
I just liked the creepiness of it that I probably

1138
00:54:57,039 --> 00:54:58,960
could have taken more of the character. But yeah, it

1139
00:54:59,039 --> 00:55:02,639
was really well done and terrifying. Right, Like when they

1140
00:55:02,679 --> 00:55:05,079
show his skin, it's not like he's it's not like

1141
00:55:05,079 --> 00:55:07,440
he's Brad Pitt in like interview with the Vampire, Like

1142
00:55:07,519 --> 00:55:10,800
he looks grotesque and like an eternal dead person. So

1143
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:14,039
I thought it was a great design overall for the character.

1144
00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, uh, he's just fan freakantastic and his Russian kind

1145
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,000
of aesthetic that they gave him. Really really liked that,

1146
00:55:23,199 --> 00:55:27,079
and he just was terrifying. They really just made their

1147
00:55:27,079 --> 00:55:30,119
own iteration version of this this character and just this

1148
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:34,360
vampire and cemented and Hatten's down went for it and

1149
00:55:34,360 --> 00:55:35,000
made it their own.

1150
00:55:35,039 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: I really love that.

1151
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:42,039
Speaker 1: So the voice was phenomenal, just creepy, and the essence

1152
00:55:42,079 --> 00:55:44,199
that this this being had when he's just moving through

1153
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,480
the shadows, like you said, yeah, just terrifying him. A

1154
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:50,519
lot of just shots cinematically done where the camera's one

1155
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:53,199
one guy and that camera will just start to pan

1156
00:55:53,320 --> 00:55:55,360
and move to the next scene. And they did this

1157
00:55:55,480 --> 00:55:58,920
in like a like three three notes. I'm gonna I'm

1158
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:00,760
gonna say use it as note is the term here

1159
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:05,480
when Thomas is in the castle Oorlock and Orlock is

1160
00:56:05,920 --> 00:56:10,360
basically far away, and then it pans to to mass

1161
00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,639
and then as it's panning to him, then you see

1162
00:56:12,679 --> 00:56:14,519
the Count is right next to him with this drink

1163
00:56:14,599 --> 00:56:14,760
or not.

1164
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:16,159
Speaker 2: The Count Orlock is like here.

1165
00:56:16,000 --> 00:56:18,159
Speaker 1: Do this, and it gives him the cop and then

1166
00:56:18,199 --> 00:56:21,639
it continues panning around and he's sitting in the chair

1167
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:24,199
by the fire, reading through like the paperwork, and it

1168
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,320
was just one seamless shot. It was just it was

1169
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,199
really really shivering and well done. Really liked it, and

1170
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:32,960
that's something that they've kind of they did a few

1171
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:33,840
other times too.

1172
00:56:34,679 --> 00:56:37,639
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love those shots. Like usually you expect like

1173
00:56:37,679 --> 00:56:39,880
a big classic jump scare in those moments, but the

1174
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:42,320
way that they like hold back in a lot of them,

1175
00:56:42,559 --> 00:56:44,920
it's like more scary because you're like, well, fuck, like

1176
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:46,239
when is the jump scare coming?

1177
00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 2: Like it didn't come to expectations.

1178
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly right. So like the one is when Frederick's

1179
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,920
wife like says gooding to the kids and then she

1180
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,599
comes out and she just has her little lantern and

1181
00:56:56,679 --> 00:56:59,480
like the score in that scene it it I know

1182
00:56:59,559 --> 00:57:02,360
it was, but it felt so loud because it like

1183
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,599
it is just really dark and quiet and nothing's really happening.

1184
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:09,440
Pans around, she hears like some knocking, sees like the steps,

1185
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,480
and then of course once the camera starts going back,

1186
00:57:11,519 --> 00:57:14,119
you're like, fuckna's Rocky's gonna be right there, and you

1187
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:17,239
know it's just it's just Ellen, you know. Equally as scary,

1188
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,480
but like, at first I thought she was possessed, but

1189
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,840
she's she's just so terrified for what happened to Thomas.

1190
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,440
She's like, can I sleep with you? And I'm like, man,

1191
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,559
this lady that's just sill having like yeah, like being

1192
00:57:27,599 --> 00:57:31,280
possessed every night and like doing weird sex things with

1193
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:34,400
her body, like yeah, no, you can sleep in the

1194
00:57:34,519 --> 00:57:37,840
neighbor's bed. But I mean, she's that nice lady, right,

1195
00:57:37,880 --> 00:57:39,519
She allowed her to come in and gave her her

1196
00:57:39,559 --> 00:57:42,559
a little cross and then sure enough they have like

1197
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:45,360
the dream sequence and then eaten by rats and it's

1198
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:47,039
kind of the start of the end for that character.

1199
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:49,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, and again I like their use of dream sequences

1200
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:53,000
because you think it's a dream and then it turns

1201
00:57:53,000 --> 00:57:55,519
out like even the dream sequences are all basically real.

1202
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:59,719
Because I was wondering, okay, las Rattu threw Ellen on

1203
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,880
the floor or here and is basically screaming, why is

1204
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,079
her friend not awake in his bedroom?

1205
00:58:04,119 --> 00:58:06,079
Speaker 2: But it was I.

1206
00:58:05,960 --> 00:58:10,519
Speaker 1: Guess maybe it was in her mind, or perhaps maybe

1207
00:58:10,559 --> 00:58:13,159
he put a trance on on Anna.

1208
00:58:13,719 --> 00:58:15,719
Speaker 2: There's so many things we just don't know and it's

1209
00:58:15,760 --> 00:58:17,360
up to interpretation. And I like that.

1210
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:20,519
Speaker 1: I think that's a great way to kind of send

1211
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:22,440
off most of these scenes and still allow the viewer

1212
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,159
to kind of interpret it and make their own kind

1213
00:58:24,159 --> 00:58:27,000
of headcannon for it, because there's not really any wrong

1214
00:58:27,079 --> 00:58:29,719
way when you're doing it and dealing it with vampires,

1215
00:58:29,719 --> 00:58:31,239
because you don't know a lot about his powers.

1216
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:32,400
Speaker 2: You're not getting.

1217
00:58:32,199 --> 00:58:34,960
Speaker 1: Willem Dafoe giving us the bullet points like oh yeah,

1218
00:58:35,039 --> 00:58:37,320
garlic and this and that and this, but they're sprinkled

1219
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,719
in throughout because you have the gypsies basically putting garlic

1220
00:58:39,760 --> 00:58:42,920
around the windows, telling him don't telling Thomas don't go

1221
00:58:43,000 --> 00:58:45,239
up to the castle, and all these little things that

1222
00:58:45,280 --> 00:58:47,880
are pulled from that kind of vampire history. But you

1223
00:58:48,000 --> 00:58:51,119
still get to interpret it for yourself what works and

1224
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:51,719
what doesn't.

1225
00:58:52,079 --> 00:58:54,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, for sure, I definitely think it does happen,

1226
00:58:55,440 --> 00:58:57,559
like all the events that happen in the dream sequences,

1227
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:01,360
especially like because when Thomas has a dream sequence, that's

1228
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,760
when he sees like the they're kind of like witch hunters,

1229
00:59:04,800 --> 00:59:06,960
I guess, like they're the ones that are killing the vampire.

1230
00:59:07,199 --> 00:59:09,880
Like he like wakes up and he's wearing like different shoes,

1231
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,239
like it, Like it feels like that did very much happen,

1232
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,679
and I think it's the case throughout the whole film,

1233
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,360
but yeah, no, it's it's done in a not so

1234
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,639
in your face moment, like no, that very much did happen,

1235
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:21,840
or it didn't happen, Like they don't hold your hand.

1236
00:59:22,280 --> 00:59:25,719
It is up for interpretation. So I did like all

1237
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:29,559
those kind of mind slip moments throughout the whole film,

1238
00:59:29,599 --> 00:59:32,360
And you just mentioned like some of the little subtleties

1239
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,519
of them. Yeah, like sprinkling in like the vampire lore

1240
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,480
when they're like painting the garlic like on the window,

1241
00:59:39,639 --> 00:59:42,559
like some of the gypsy people, and yeah, I think

1242
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:45,239
some of those things, and like again like it's not

1243
00:59:45,320 --> 00:59:47,159
in your face, like make sure to wear this garlic

1244
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:49,719
around your neck. This will really help. Like who knows

1245
00:59:49,719 --> 00:59:51,559
if it works, you know, it's just kind of what

1246
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:54,920
they're believing in. And yeah, I think I think they

1247
00:59:54,920 --> 00:59:59,000
did a good job with just those little classic nodes,

1248
00:59:59,519 --> 01:00:03,480
nodes classic nods to uh, just the old vampire lore,

1249
01:00:03,639 --> 01:00:05,519
which was which is fun, and even the Transylvania thing.

1250
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:07,360
You don't even say that, but as you mentioned, like

1251
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,400
they point to the map and that's what's said there.

1252
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:11,360
So I thought it was good.

1253
01:00:12,559 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 2: Anything else you wanna highlight?

1254
01:00:14,920 --> 01:00:18,800
Speaker 3: Closing thoughts, Yeah, a couple of things to highlight. I

1255
01:00:18,800 --> 01:00:20,800
I already mentioned the lighting, but I wanted to just

1256
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,840
mention it again here because I just I fucking love

1257
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:26,079
like the moonlighting that he's able to do, and like

1258
01:00:26,119 --> 01:00:28,239
all these films. Obviously The Lighthouse is a black and

1259
01:00:28,239 --> 01:00:32,079
white film, but like, it's just something so special about

1260
01:00:32,119 --> 01:00:35,440
the way that he's able to like capture like a

1261
01:00:35,559 --> 01:00:39,480
moonlight in these dark sequences. And I love these Robert

1262
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:41,400
Eggert films, so I'm probably always gonna be seeing them

1263
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,199
in theaters, but especially watching like this and some of

1264
01:00:44,199 --> 01:00:46,159
the other ones, I feel like they're must watch in

1265
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:48,559
theaters because of how dark they are, Like unless you're

1266
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:51,760
watching them, you know, at night on a nice screen,

1267
01:00:52,039 --> 01:00:54,000
if you're watching the daytime and you got that slut

1268
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,880
sunglare coming in, you're not gonna be able to see

1269
01:00:56,880 --> 01:00:58,960
anything that's fucking going on in this. Like there is

1270
01:00:59,039 --> 01:01:01,920
many dark sequences, and sometimes that's a con for me,

1271
01:01:02,079 --> 01:01:04,599
but I think it just fits so well the overall

1272
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:06,679
vibe of what the movie is, so I really appreciate

1273
01:01:06,840 --> 01:01:10,880
just yeah, the lighting and lack thereof, and a lot

1274
01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:13,880
of scenes. I think it's really good choice. One of

1275
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:19,360
my favorite like artistical shots in this is when after

1276
01:01:19,440 --> 01:01:21,679
Thomas loses his horse and he's kind of just traveling.

1277
01:01:21,760 --> 01:01:23,400
This is the kind of the scene that reminded me

1278
01:01:23,400 --> 01:01:25,920
of Adrenochrome. When he's just like climbing up a snowy mountain.

1279
01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:27,639
You just have like a nice backdrop. It's like, man,

1280
01:01:27,679 --> 01:01:29,480
this looks like some of the stuff we shot, but

1281
01:01:30,519 --> 01:01:33,199
I like, just yeah, him like going along and then

1282
01:01:33,239 --> 01:01:37,400
he sees it's pretty much like a like a headless

1283
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:39,760
horseman type seene where he's like going down this like

1284
01:01:39,880 --> 01:01:44,880
really dark like foresty area. It's snowing and it's just

1285
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,199
completely pitch black and like just terrifying. I don't know

1286
01:01:48,239 --> 01:01:50,360
how this man does get eaten by wolves on his adventure,

1287
01:01:50,400 --> 01:01:52,719
but yeah, I digress. And then you just have like

1288
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,159
the horse coming in with the carriage and then he

1289
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,360
like blacks out wakes up and it's just like there

1290
01:01:57,360 --> 01:01:59,199
with the door open for him, and it's just like, man,

1291
01:01:59,280 --> 01:02:02,480
do not get in that carriage? Like this is this

1292
01:02:02,559 --> 01:02:05,360
is such a death's sequence. But I just love the

1293
01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:07,079
whole build up what that scene was, And again it

1294
01:02:07,320 --> 01:02:10,960
felt very sleepy Hollowey on just the setup of it

1295
01:02:11,079 --> 01:02:14,880
seems so it's terrifying, but it's also beautiful in the

1296
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,880
sense of just like the one road with the snow

1297
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:19,920
coming down and it's dark and it just Yeah, the

1298
01:02:20,480 --> 01:02:24,400
art to that scene I really really appreciated and really

1299
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:26,280
just stood out to me. I liked it a lot.

1300
01:02:27,679 --> 01:02:30,199
One little thing that was confusing for me was there's

1301
01:02:30,199 --> 01:02:32,719
many scenes when Frederick is in his like study and

1302
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,360
he has this pool table and he's like bouncing balls

1303
01:02:35,599 --> 01:02:38,159
like off the pool table just with his hand. I

1304
01:02:38,199 --> 01:02:40,719
didn't see a single pocket in that pool table. I

1305
01:02:40,719 --> 01:02:42,320
don't know if it's just like a super old style,

1306
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:45,360
but I'm pretty sure there was no pockets anywhere.

1307
01:02:46,119 --> 01:02:46,360
Speaker 2: You know.

1308
01:02:46,719 --> 01:02:48,760
Speaker 3: I've only noticed this because it started playing some pool lately,

1309
01:02:48,800 --> 01:02:50,320
and that of course it's in my mind. I'm looking

1310
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,440
for these things. But unless I was mistaken, didn't look

1311
01:02:52,480 --> 01:02:55,039
like there was a single hole in that pool table,

1312
01:02:55,079 --> 01:02:56,840
which really it just took me out of the scene

1313
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,239
because I'm like, what the fuck is going on here.

1314
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,679
I'm sure it's accurate to that time. Maybe they have

1315
01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:03,920
some explanation on why they didn't have pockets, you know,

1316
01:03:04,039 --> 01:03:08,480
back in the day for pool but it really stood

1317
01:03:08,480 --> 01:03:10,239
out to me in some of those scenes.

1318
01:03:10,880 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 2: You're definitely right. I don't remember seeing the pockets either.

1319
01:03:14,679 --> 01:03:16,119
Speaker 3: And I like, I assumed they were just like on

1320
01:03:16,159 --> 01:03:18,000
the one side, but then you do like a different

1321
01:03:18,119 --> 01:03:19,800
shot and it shows the other side of the table.

1322
01:03:19,800 --> 01:03:22,599
I'm like, this doesn't make sense. There's like three balls here.

1323
01:03:23,239 --> 01:03:28,880
Clearly it's a different version of pool. But yeah, I digress.

1324
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:33,159
What else I liked, Yeah, you already mentioned it, but

1325
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:36,480
just the whole basically the Demeter scene when they have

1326
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:40,440
this like cursed cargo I mentioned earlier. You know big

1327
01:03:40,480 --> 01:03:44,440
Warhammer Fantasy fan with Total War and the counts, the

1328
01:03:44,480 --> 01:03:46,320
count the Vampire counts that they have, But there's another

1329
01:03:46,519 --> 01:03:49,679
race of they're called the Vampire Coast, which are basically

1330
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,840
the exact same idea, but they're like Pirates, which is

1331
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,599
just awesome. You know, if you just watch Pirates of

1332
01:03:54,599 --> 01:03:57,480
the Caribbean, you go make a Vampire Coast campaign. That's

1333
01:03:57,480 --> 01:04:00,400
pretty much how it goes for me. But the origin

1334
01:04:00,559 --> 01:04:03,559
of one of the main vampires in the Vampire Coast

1335
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:06,599
campaign is Luther hark On, and the origin of that

1336
01:04:06,679 --> 01:04:10,400
character is essentially this where they're like transporting cargo and

1337
01:04:10,440 --> 01:04:13,679
it's a vampire and they don't realize, and then something

1338
01:04:13,719 --> 01:04:15,599
happens with the ship he wakes up, and that's kind

1339
01:04:15,599 --> 01:04:18,519
of just how that story happens. And again it's probably

1340
01:04:18,519 --> 01:04:21,599
pulled from that original Demeter chapter in the Dracula novel,

1341
01:04:22,679 --> 01:04:25,519
but I just appreciate that so much. Obviously, I love

1342
01:04:25,559 --> 01:04:28,880
the movie The Last Voyage of the Demeter because it

1343
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:30,920
is like that same sort of idea of just the

1344
01:04:30,960 --> 01:04:33,679
claustrophobia on the ship. But this version I also really

1345
01:04:33,719 --> 01:04:36,639
really appreciated, and I liked how just yeah, like this

1346
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:41,039
miasma of disease that is kind of following Drack because

1347
01:04:41,079 --> 01:04:43,599
like he pretty much represents death right like they call

1348
01:04:43,679 --> 01:04:46,880
him that multiple times, like the touch of death. That's

1349
01:04:46,920 --> 01:04:49,360
what Ellen is mentioning to Thomas when she has that dream.

1350
01:04:49,880 --> 01:04:52,440
So yeah, I just I like the portrayal of the

1351
01:04:52,519 --> 01:04:55,599
character and just the terror that followed him.

1352
01:04:56,119 --> 01:04:57,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, well said.

1353
01:04:57,800 --> 01:04:59,360
Speaker 3: Beyond that, No, I think we kind of covered all

1354
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:04,599
the other characters and yeah, no, I I fucking love

1355
01:05:04,679 --> 01:05:06,800
this movie. Taylor Field. This was this was a hell

1356
01:05:06,840 --> 01:05:08,960
of a time. Did you watch this one alone?

1357
01:05:09,480 --> 01:05:12,039
Speaker 2: I did? Yeah, that theater.

1358
01:05:12,360 --> 01:05:15,719
Speaker 3: Theater was full, So you're sitting next people like this,

1359
01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:16,679
that's a little listening.

1360
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:19,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, the guy when I got to my seat, because

1361
01:05:19,079 --> 01:05:21,159
I got in right when it was starting to say

1362
01:05:21,159 --> 01:05:24,000
feature presentation, So I was thinking, oh my god, someone's

1363
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:24,920
gonna have taken my seat.

1364
01:05:25,000 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 2: Luckily no, So when I walked up to my seat.

1365
01:05:28,320 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: This lady was in her seat on my left, and

1366
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,280
she had in a big bag of popcorn in my

1367
01:05:33,400 --> 01:05:35,280
seats and she had her drink in my cup holder.

1368
01:05:35,280 --> 01:05:37,559
I was thinking, okay, so she moved that, which is

1369
01:05:37,639 --> 01:05:39,480
very you know, I guess, retrospect kind.

1370
01:05:39,719 --> 01:05:40,800
Speaker 2: And then the guy to my right.

1371
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 1: Every every fifteen minutes, Oh my gosh. I never locked

1372
01:05:48,760 --> 01:05:50,639
eyes with him because I just felt it and I

1373
01:05:50,639 --> 01:05:52,079
didn't want to look, but.

1374
01:05:52,079 --> 01:05:54,719
Speaker 2: I just so, I'm gonna, I'm gonna look this way.

1375
01:05:54,719 --> 01:05:56,039
I'm looking at the guy.

1376
01:05:56,079 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: I'm the guy. I'm looking at the movie theater scream.

1377
01:05:58,639 --> 01:06:00,719
And then every fifteen minutes he would go like.

1378
01:06:03,440 --> 01:06:05,199
Speaker 3: He would look at it. He would turn his head

1379
01:06:05,199 --> 01:06:08,400
and enjoying the film. He's probably looking like he's probably

1380
01:06:08,400 --> 01:06:11,559
got a mustache like count Orlock as well. He's just like,

1381
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:14,280
so you cut your hand there, Taylor Field.

1382
01:06:14,960 --> 01:06:17,599
Speaker 1: It was clockwork every fifteen minutes and It was freaking

1383
01:06:17,639 --> 01:06:20,079
me out. And I really noticed it near the end

1384
01:06:20,079 --> 01:06:22,239
because when he was just he turned and look at me,

1385
01:06:22,280 --> 01:06:24,360
and I thought, I'm not looking at you, man, I

1386
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:25,880
don't want to make lock eyes with you.

1387
01:06:25,960 --> 01:06:26,920
Speaker 2: It just feels weird.

1388
01:06:27,519 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 3: It's so funny.

1389
01:06:28,719 --> 01:06:30,360
Speaker 2: I didn't get up right away. I waited for them

1390
01:06:30,400 --> 01:06:31,480
to leave first, and then.

1391
01:06:31,400 --> 01:06:34,239
Speaker 3: I yeah, he would have been following you, I'm sure. Yeah,

1392
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:36,360
he's just totally looking at you, like the count orlock.

1393
01:06:36,559 --> 01:06:39,320
That's so funny. It goes like the sex scene. He

1394
01:06:39,400 --> 01:06:43,159
just looks right at you, making sure you're enjoying it. Weird.

1395
01:06:43,280 --> 01:06:44,039
Oh that's funny.

1396
01:06:44,440 --> 01:06:48,239
Speaker 2: But but yeah, sorry, did you drop your number rating?

1397
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:56,239
Speaker 3: I'm gonna give it a I'm gonna give it a

1398
01:06:56,239 --> 01:06:58,000
ten out of ten. I think this is a perfect film.

1399
01:06:58,039 --> 01:07:00,840
I really don't think there's anything with it, at least

1400
01:07:00,880 --> 01:07:03,280
anything that like really would take down my enjoyment for it.

1401
01:07:03,280 --> 01:07:05,000
It's not one that I'm gonna be like rewatching all

1402
01:07:05,000 --> 01:07:07,280
the time just because it's these Robert Agger's films, like

1403
01:07:07,320 --> 01:07:09,119
I love them, but they're not feel good movies, you know.

1404
01:07:09,119 --> 01:07:10,960
I'm not putting this on to fall asleep like a

1405
01:07:11,000 --> 01:07:14,440
certain Travis Snell would but I, yeah, I know. I

1406
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:18,519
just think it's so masterfully made. Like the craftsmanship of

1407
01:07:18,559 --> 01:07:21,360
what the film is is just so impressive. And it's

1408
01:07:21,360 --> 01:07:24,880
not easy doing like a retelling of a very classic film,

1409
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like something like nots Fawt too. Of course, It's it's

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hard for me to say that because I haven't seen

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that classic. But I just feel like most of the

1412
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time when people try to remake something, it just more

1413
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often than not, it has more things going against it

1414
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:38,800
than going forward. But I think this is just such

1415
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:43,480
a fantastical retelling. It feels very period like in the

1416
01:07:43,519 --> 01:07:46,000
period piece Notion. All the actors do a great job,

1417
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,719
the setting is phenomenal. This is a Christmas movie too,

1418
01:07:49,760 --> 01:07:51,320
you know, it's so fitting that it's you know, they

1419
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,280
have the Christmas tree in the film, they talk about Christmas,

1420
01:07:54,360 --> 01:07:58,519
the Christmas spreading this Christmas joy, and they did not

1421
01:07:58,599 --> 01:08:00,559
really get a lot of Christmas joy other people in

1422
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:03,199
this movie. But no, I I fucking love this one

1423
01:08:03,239 --> 01:08:04,679
so much and I can't wait for the next Robert

1424
01:08:04,719 --> 01:08:06,199
Aggers film, so big fan.

1425
01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I just reiterate everything you said. I I

1426
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:16,600
love this movie, and for me, it's it's definitely a.

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Speaker 2: Ten out of ten. I think that they they landed

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at and excuse me, oh my goodness.

1429
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Speaker 1: I truly feel like, yeah, we're in a We're in

1430
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an era here where vampire movies are making a comeback

1431
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:30,319
and the Wolfman movies around the corner too, like, let's

1432
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:32,720
do it, let's get these monsters back on the screen.

1433
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And I think that this this is great to be

1434
01:08:37,399 --> 01:08:39,640
just giving us like a fresh perspective in a fresh

1435
01:08:40,720 --> 01:08:43,960
uh in that period time of just vampire and just

1436
01:08:44,560 --> 01:08:47,359
limited resources and just very limited on what they're dealing with,

1437
01:08:47,439 --> 01:08:51,239
and just the stress and the pain and the fallout

1438
01:08:51,239 --> 01:08:53,039
of dealing with a creature like this that they just

1439
01:08:53,039 --> 01:08:55,640
don't have the full understanding of. And you got crazy

1440
01:08:55,720 --> 01:08:58,760
characters in there and crazy situations unfolding. It was just

1441
01:08:58,800 --> 01:09:00,720
it's great and it was so inc aging from start

1442
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:02,399
to finish. There wasn't a moment where I was just

1443
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:05,119
like getting pulled out of it because I wanted to

1444
01:09:05,159 --> 01:09:07,359
see what was going to happen next. And you know,

1445
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:12,840
as unfortunate as it is because obviously Alan dies, but

1446
01:09:13,159 --> 01:09:15,680
we get to this point where I still feel like

1447
01:09:15,720 --> 01:09:17,680
it's a little bit more hopeful because okay, and nos

1448
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,720
Fratu was defeated and our characters can move on, and well,

1449
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:21,600
the whole movie.

1450
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Speaker 2: Before that was very depressing.

1451
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,720
Speaker 1: The villain is defeated and the our heroes kind of

1452
01:09:25,720 --> 01:09:29,640
emerge victorious, and the plague is is put to bed,

1453
01:09:29,680 --> 01:09:32,640
and now where this little German town can kind of

1454
01:09:32,680 --> 01:09:34,880
recoup and quarantine ends and all that kind of stuff.

1455
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:37,359
So that's the kind of silver lining to it. But

1456
01:09:37,680 --> 01:09:39,439
I definitely want to rewatch it again. I feel like

1457
01:09:39,479 --> 01:09:42,000
there's so many things visually that I have overlooked and

1458
01:09:42,039 --> 01:09:44,560
I missed, just as I said in retrospect, seeing people's

1459
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:47,239
fate or reflections their faces and the mirrors and other

1460
01:09:47,279 --> 01:09:49,760
things too. There's a lot going on and a lot

1461
01:09:49,760 --> 01:09:51,079
of things I feel like you might miss on that

1462
01:09:51,159 --> 01:09:55,399
first and second go go go around watching viewing, and

1463
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:57,199
you need to do a third viewing to just kind

1464
01:09:57,199 --> 01:09:58,680
of catch up on everything.

1465
01:09:58,800 --> 01:10:00,319
Speaker 2: So I recomm it.

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01:10:00,199 --> 01:10:02,439
Speaker 1: It's great. I had a good time. I'm gonna be

1467
01:10:02,560 --> 01:10:05,039
dropping this during the Golden Geeks for sure. Oh yeah,

1468
01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:10,000
definitely deserves a few a few possible spots in there.

1469
01:10:11,560 --> 01:10:16,000
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's uh, that's all I got. You got

1470
01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,079
something your thumbs up?

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Speaker 3: Cool.

1472
01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:23,439
Speaker 1: Well, we'll be back later this week with the dexter Count,

1473
01:10:23,439 --> 01:10:26,640
your commando skeleton crew, and then we'll be seeing you

1474
01:10:26,680 --> 01:10:29,720
next year, So stay tuned and we'll see.

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01:10:29,520 --> 01:10:30,199
Speaker 2: You in the search bar.

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Speaker 3: Happy holidays,