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Speaker 1: You're listening to a classic edition of the Unknown Origins

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Radio show here on the Paranormal UK Radio Network.

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Speaker 2: This is Cliff Garrison from Finding Bigfoot on Animal Planets

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and you're listening to Unknown Origins Radio.

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Speaker 3: We live in a world filled with the unknown. Ghosts

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and spirits wander through our physical dimension. Unknown creature's lurk

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in the shadows, and strange lights and crafts dominate our skies.

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Modern science refuses to acknowledge their existence. Yeah, credible eyewitnesses

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are convinced these things are real, so it's up to

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individual researchers to search for the truth. Welcome to Unknown

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Origins Radio.

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Speaker 4: And good evening everybody.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of Unknown Origins Radio where we

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talk about everything having to do with these strains paranormal.

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I'm Mark Johnson, your host, and joining me is our

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lovely co host Lauren de Pinto. Hey, Lauren, how you doing.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing great, Mark, really great, Really excited for this

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interview tonight.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Yes, I've been looking forward to talking with this

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gentleman for quite a while. We'll be introducing him here

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in just a moment. Until then, I have to do

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a birthday shout out to our good friend mister Bill Bean,

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who's having a birthday today. Happy birthday, Bill.

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Speaker 5: Happy birthday.

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Speaker 6: What a great guy.

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Speaker 3: Bill.

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Speaker 1: Bill is one of those true for those of you

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who've never met Bill Bean, he is one of those

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truly genuine, super nice people.

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Speaker 4: You can't meet anybody nicer, you know.

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Speaker 1: I've been met him at a couple of the conventions

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we've done. We've had him on our show about three

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times now. And especially for somebody who's gone through the

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extreme situation that he went through with his family and

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have him be such a nice person, it's great, so amazing.

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Speaker 6: He hasn't been well. Knock on wood.

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Speaker 5: He never gets broken down, but you know, I mean,

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he just carries on and he just he's a fighter.

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Speaker 6: But he's such a doll. What a lovely man.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, well, you know, trust me, if if there's

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a community that can break anybody down, it's this one.

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But all the stupid in fighting, Oh god, I don't know.

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I don't know which is worse. I don't know if

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it's the ghost community or the Bigfoot community who fight

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most amongst themselves. But it's just, you know, how people

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grow up. We're all on the same side here.

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Speaker 6: It's right, damn it. Let's just have some fun do

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a little research here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So I also wanted to announce you remember I mentioned

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that I was helping a friend of mine work on

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a book, and she finally finished it today and now

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I'm going to be helping edit it and I'll be

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helping her getting it published in just a few weeks,

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hopefully the first week of September. It's called The Psychic

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Spy by Irene alan Block.

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Speaker 6: What is it about? Psych I would assume.

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Speaker 1: Well, we'll see Irene. We're going to have her on

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the show in two weeks, so we're going to get

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a chance to talk to her. But oh, that's interesting.

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Speaker 4: Hello, Okay, was that you race?

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Speaker 3: No, that wasn't me.

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Speaker 4: Oh okay, I guess it was on Lauren.

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Speaker 2: That was me.

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Speaker 6: Okay, sorry.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not in a hi high tech you know

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building here, We're in my home.

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Speaker 6: The phone does ring on occasion.

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Speaker 4: Side.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, as I said, Irene's going to be on

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the program two weeks from tonight. She is a a

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psychic and a remote viewer. She's the founder of Spirit

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Rescue International, and she wrote this book called The Psychic Spy,

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which is about a remote viewer.

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Speaker 4: Who gets recruited by.

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Speaker 1: The British intelligence during the nineteen seventies, and you know,

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the it's unofficially known that, you know a lot of governments,

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including the US and the UK and Russia, were very

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involved in psychic research and using remote viewers as spies

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to safely go and look into certain places and get

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secrets without having to send people in personnel in And

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it's a it's a really fascinating book. And so I'm

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really looking forward to talking to her in two weeks

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and then that book will be out in a month

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from now, So hopefully it does really well.

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Speaker 6: Oh, I'm sure it will. I'm sure put you backing

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her up. I'm sure she's a shoe one.

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Speaker 1: Well, I've actually i've been I've been working with SRI

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for about the last month or so. There's a case

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we're working on right now. I can't talk about it.

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All I can say is, Wow, I'm very impressed with

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these folks, what they can do and and the the

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seriousness of the situations that they deal with and what

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they go up against. It makes me feel good because,

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you know, we as paranormal researchers, you know, in the

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past Usually we just go into a house, we take

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our readings, our pictures, our video, and we show them

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to the clients say see look what we caught. Yeah,

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you have something going on here and know you don't.

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And then we wave goodbye and we leave and not

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really able to help people. And this is where I'm

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really impressed with a group like KRS, because they are

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able to help, They're able to take it to that

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next level.

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Speaker 4: So having said that, I'm going to leave that alone.

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We'll talk.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk to Irene in two weeks and we'll let

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her tell her story in her lovely British accent, add

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Speaker 4: To the show here like that. So are you still

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jazz and overseeing the conjuring?

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Speaker 5: Oh my gosh, Yes, absolutely loved and I want to

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see it again. And I'm sure there's you know, parts

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of it that I missed, So I'm you know, I

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love that whole jumping out of my seat.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm such a cynic when it comes to

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horror movies because I'm, you know, coming up in the

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film industry myself.

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Speaker 4: I know all the tricks, so it's very.

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Speaker 1: Rare that you can make me jump out of my seat,

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especially with horror movies because I see the cliches and

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the trappings coming a mile away. But I have to say,

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and watching the trailers for this movie, since I haven't

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a chance to see it yet, I'm very impressed by

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the creep factor.

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Speaker 6: And well it gets better. So they did a great

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job with the trailers. Wait till you see the movie.

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Speaker 5: I'm telling you that the person that they hired to

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play the witch in the movie is this man, and

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he is frightening.

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Speaker 7: I mean, I can't even I don't want to give

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it away, but when he jumps off this curio type

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cabinet and onto, you know, in front of the girl,

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the little girl, oh my gosh, I almost imploded.

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Speaker 6: It was amazing. So Hollywood or not.

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Speaker 5: Or maybe it was the fact that I was sitting

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next to my friend Carol, who is so funny to,

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you know, watch a horror movie with, because she jumps

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at everything. So it might have been because of that.

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But whatever it is, I'm telling you it's it's getting

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great reviews. People are loving it. It's a really great

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Speaker 6: Go see it.

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Speaker 1: I have to say, the one thing that I'm also

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the most impressed with is the fact that they actually

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Speaker 4: The movie came out.

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Speaker 1: They had the real family involved, and there was Andrea Perone,

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who we've had here on our show. We had the

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pleasure of interviewing her about her case six months ago

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and talking about how good the movie was and how

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they're going to release it in the summer because it

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was testing so well, and sure enough, they did the

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right thing.

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Speaker 4: It's a big hit.

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Speaker 1: But it was wonderful seeing her and her family up

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there being able to tell their story and you know,

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showing people this really is a true story, It really

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happened to these people.

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Speaker 5: Oh yes, imagine that's type of validation for her too,

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you know, and she's really enjoying this. I see her

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roll over Facebook right now, you know, with a lot

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of our friends going to different events and she's having

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a grand time.

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Speaker 6: Good for her. She deserves it.

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Speaker 5: Anybody who has gone through that, it totally deserves a

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little bit of fun.

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Speaker 6: And you know, like I said, validation, you.

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Speaker 1: Know, well, you know, and we mentioned earlier Bill Bean

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and you know his experience is dealing with a similar

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extreme haunting. And of course we'll have to get an

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update from him on his movie Dark Force, which they're

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making about his experiences. I haven't heard anything about it lately,

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so we'll definitely have to get him on here one

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day and give us an update because I really would

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we're due for some bean time.

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Speaker 4: Beantime beantime in Beantown.

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Speaker 1: Well, let's get into introducing our guests, because I mentioned before,

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I've been looking forward to as talking with this gentleman

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for quite a while now. He is a self proclaimed

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time traveler. He as a child, was involved in a

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top secret government program, and he has come out in

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recent years as a whistleblower about the involvement of the

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US government in these special projects and programs. And he

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recently appeared on an episode of Jesse Venture's Conspiracy Theory Show,

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which was just just a few months ago the episode aired.

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So please welcome Andrew Bishago to the program.

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Speaker 8: How are you tonight, Andrew, excellent Mark, you know it

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occurred to me when you were opening the show discussing

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your future guest, who was a remote viewer for the

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US government, that the children who were attached to Project Pegasus,

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which was Dark as Time travel program of the late

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sixties and early seventies.

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Speaker 9: We began our service as remote viewers for the Office

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of Naval Intelligence. Interesting, Yeah, beginning in fall of nineteen

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sixty nine, which, as you and Dautale know, is three

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years before the official startgate that Ingo Swan was fond

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of citing of nineteen seventy two and his work at

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the Stanford Research Institute has been sort of the initiation

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of remote viewing in the US governmental context, But in

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fact we were fully operational and remote viewing by fall

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of nineteen sixty nine.

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Speaker 1: Now you were involved in that portion of the remote

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viewing or you just knew that that program was going.

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Speaker 9: No, the the time travel program that that I was

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part of ran the gamut from psychic time travel, which

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is remote viewing, all the way through physio virtual time

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types of time travel for example chronavision into physical time travels.

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Speaker 2: So I'm just citing the fact that.

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Speaker 9: We were doing remote viewing for the Office of Naval

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Intelligence as one of the forms of quantum access that

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we were that we were trained.

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Speaker 2: In, and that we performed during those years.

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Speaker 1: That's very interesting and with her book is more of

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a fictionalized account, but she is a remote viewer who

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present day uses her skills to help clients who are

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having troubles with, you know, paranormal issues. But she has

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some inside knowledge of that and the book reads really well.

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So I can't wait to introduce that to people and

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talk about it. But let's talk about with your case.

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Could I trouble you to start from the beginning, how

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did you get involved in this government project at such

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a young age.

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Speaker 9: Well, it's kind of complicated, and the ultimate Raisin deetra

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for my involvement remains murky, although we have some major clues.

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The first clue I would cite as to why I

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was selected is that before I was born in nineteen

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sixty one, my late father, Raymond Aftershago, had worked on

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sensitive aerospace projects for the US government. For example, he

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designed the metal alloy that the ramjet would be manufactured

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of so that it wouldn't melt in from air particles

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or particles of space dust when it was flying in

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the atmosphere or in the near earth environment. He had

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worked on the instrumentation for the B seventy, which was

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in nineteen sixty one, my dad was immersed in the

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defense technical communities response to the Soviet threat and any

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potential extraterrestrial threat that our extraterrestrial visitors might bring. As

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a very young child, he had witnessed me doing some

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extraordinary things, including I was going down into the basement

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where he had a carpentry shop at our home in

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Morris Plains, New Jersey, and I was completing his thoughts.

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I was basically so telepathic. I like to say that

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I wasn't a trailing edge boomer. I was a leading

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edge indigo.

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Speaker 2: Okay.

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Speaker 9: So I was doing things like going down and basically

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hearing what my dad was thinking and then communicating with him,

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showing an awareness of what was on his mind. He

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also witnessed me levitating a set of my small blocks,

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my alphabet blocks, and some tinker toys about three feet

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off the floor of our record purely with my intent.

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Actually I didn't levitate them, actually just caused them to hover.

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Now as I was placing them three feet above the

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ground and they weren't falling. So I think that he

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may have passed my special abilities on to the defense

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department that was basically the railm that he was immersed in,

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and because by the summer after kindergarten, which for me

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was nineteen sixty six sixty seven, he began taking me

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to defense contractor locations throughout New Jersey, explaining that I

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was going to be going to some of these places

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in the near future and take part in some very

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important activities. Now, what I ended up being being involved

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in in the next several years, officially beginning and fall

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of nineteen sixty nine, was that I was dropped into

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a time travel per pro that DARPA had been putting

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together from around nineteen sixty five forward. So in fall

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of nineteen sixty nine, I was placed in Darkeest Project Pegasus,

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and then involved in teleportation and chronavision research and development

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activities that were underway in the late sixties and early seventies. So,

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on one level, my father was immersed in that realm.

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On another level, I had special abilities. And when we

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go all the way down the rabbit hole, it looks

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like a cause as unusual as the notion that team

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members in the far future may have identified me as

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a necessary participant because they were aware of the fact

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that I was destined to tell the tale and become

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a public figure and work and achieve public adoption of

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Tesla teleportation. So it was sort of a multi causal

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situation where I was viewed as a necessary participant. In fact,

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my dad didn't volunteer me. An officer came to his

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desk at at the Ralph M. Parsons company and told

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him that I was going to be involved. So he

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complied because he was very concerned that our country have

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an adequate defense against the two major security threats that

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we were then concerned about, which was essentially the Soviets

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and extraterrestrial.

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Speaker 1: Now now you mentioned Morris Plains, We're actually here in

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New Jersey, so in North Jersey, so we're very I'm

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I'm living up by Vernon by the ski resorts, and

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I'm in Lincoln Park right.

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Speaker 6: Here, so.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I passed more planes all the time going to work,

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so I'm over into Murray Hills, so yeah, I know

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the area very well, very well. So your father saw

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that you had these abilities and got you involved in

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this program. And now there was a couple of different

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phases to this program and time travel. It wasn't just

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like people think you step on a time machine and

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go back in time. You did a couple of different

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aspects of that.

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Speaker 9: I was wondering if you could detail that, Okay, Well,

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basically from the time that I first teleported from a

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Tesla teleporter at the old Curtis Right Aeronautical Company facility

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in Woodridge, New Jersey, I think some of that building

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is still up there, part of the scientist over there.

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In fact, the brick building building sixty eight is where

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the teleporter was located, and recently somebody sent me some

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pictures of it, so if you go out to Woodridge

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you can see sort of the Kiddi Hawk of teleplcation.

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That first jump was in sometime between September nineteen sixty

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seven and sixty eight, and then I was officially dropped

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in the program at sixty nine. Now, from that second

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starting point a Fall of sixty nine, when I signed

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the loyalty of basically the secrecy of on Department of

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Defense letterhead, I was involved in eight forms of what

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I referred to not as time travel but of quantum access,

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because sometimes they involved going to a location in the

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past or future, and other times they just involved either

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pure psychic or astral experience or technical remote viewing. And

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I don't say that in the Ed Dames sense of

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basically just structured remote viewing. I mean remote viewing using

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high technology. So of those eight modalities, the first was

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remote viewing. I'd like to say that the kids in

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Pegasus were small mediums at large. One of the things

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we were asked to do was find whether Lieutenant John

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McCain was in the pow compound called the Hanoi Hilton

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in North Vietnam, and if he was, where he was

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in the building.

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Speaker 2: So we were.

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Speaker 9: Actually viewing sensitive targets for the Office of Naval Intelligence.

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Speaker 1: Andrew before you, before you continue on that, just one

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little sidebar, real quick.

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Speaker 4: Why children?

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Speaker 1: Why were you all recruited at such a young age

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rather than working with adults who might have had more

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experience with honing their gifts.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's going to be hard to answer until I

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describe the forms of time travel, because okay, then go ahead, Yeah, because.

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Speaker 9: We're involved for programmatic reasons. So if I could narrate

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them first, it'll make more sense when I describe why

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the use kids. And they did have legitimate reasons for

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using children. It wasn't just you know, they weren't being

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motivated by sadism or a lack of regard for kids.

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They had sound programmatic reasons. But the second thing they

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started doing is with us as an ancient practice, which

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is they were spinning us on tabletop like devices clockwise

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at thirty three rotations per minute, which curiously is the

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original record speed, or at least the later record speed.

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And that and while we were looking up at a

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spiral image on the ceiling, very much like the Twilight

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Zone spiral, and they were training us to allow our

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vision to kind of relax. And when you do that,

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you basically black out while you're being fun and then

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you wake up as you're falling out of your body

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and you pop.

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Speaker 2: Up out of your body.

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Speaker 9: And so we were involved in an astral form of

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time travel prompted by being physically spun. Then we start

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I mean, these were actually structured in terms of complexity.

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As we were taking an advanced curriculum on speed learning

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machines that had been designed by the Office of Naval

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Research called tachistoscopes, and on those learning devices, we were

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getting a curriculum called Galileo, which had been had been

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crafted at Columbia University to give us basically allow us

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to photo read a course of study that covered the

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history of science and of society from the year fourteen

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fifty a D four ward, which was to kind of

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give us sort of a liberal arts degree in those

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three years of time travel. So in that learning context,

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they then brought the Montalk chair into the learning lab.

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The Montalk share is a magnetic transducer that prompts the

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human mind to go forward forward in time, so that

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the person in the chair pre experiences about a twenty

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minute episode of their own subjective future, and then when

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they come back to the present, they're questioned about what

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they saw, so that you know, intelligence of a larger nature,

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a broader nature, can be discerned from their experience.

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Speaker 1: So they were sent forward, but you were seeing it

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from from like if you were sent forward, you would

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see it from your point of view in the future

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right right.

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Speaker 9: The Montauk chair basically prompts an an astral projection where

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you see where you are moving forward in time. That

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is your mind's eyes, your consciousness is your body is

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staying back in the chair. But then when you you

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basically collide with an image in the future and you

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subjectively live it, you don't see it. You you experience

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it as you would in the future, like in your

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own shoes. So I've had dozens of deja voo experiences then,

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just from the fact that I pre experienced these sort

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of remarkable, some mundane, but in some one way or

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the other meaningful moments of my future. Then they began

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in the summer after the first year of specialized schooling,

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in the summer of nineteen seventy, they took us up

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to Curtis Right, just as my father had when I

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was aged six. We're now eight years old and in

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the third grade, not the first grade. And there on

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the floor of Building sixty eight at Curtis Right were

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two elliptical shaped booms about eight feet tall and about

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ten feet apart on the ground that between which was

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broadcast a field of radiant energy, which is a kind

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of energy that Nicola tests to discovered that's in the

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physical universe and has among its capabilities of the ability

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to bend the fabric of time space. So in summer

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seventy there, the summer after our third grade year, we

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were being busted from mountfreew Road Elementary School. In arguably

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either Mars Plains or cedar Olds, New Jersey. It's actually

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right on the border there, and we were being we

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were jumping through the device and entering a vortal tunnel

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in time space and popping into view in the state

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Capitol complex in Santa Fe, New Mexico, which is a

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distance of some two thousand miles, but we were getting

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there in three seconds.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 9: And then we would for that most of that first

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summer there of summer seventy. We would then be we

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would then be tested. We would we were being bussed

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over to the old school site and Laming, New Mexico,

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and then we would be bussed to San Dia, the

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Sandia National Labs northeast of Albuquerque, and we would jump

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through an identical device in an identical room there, down

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to the pattern on the floor tiles, down to the

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Dixie cup and number two pencil over on the windowsill.

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And we wouldn't arrive back in the jump room at

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Curtis Right, we would arrive out on the tarmac outside

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building sixty eight. So that took up most of the

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summer of seventy. And during that summer of seventy tutorial

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with Jack Kruitt, who later went on to become the

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research director of Project montau You know, my Pegasus account

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fills in important aspects of the later project known as Montauk.

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They then educated us that summer about the chronavisor. We

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had already done a number of probes during futures involved

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in the Montauk chair. The coronavisor is something different from

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that and from the teleporter. A chronavisor is an electro

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optical device consisting of a crystal array on the ceiling.

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It's like the node of a chandelier in a modern

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church or synagogue. It's kind of ay futuristic, kind of

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glassy node that inside consisted of an eight sided array

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of polished bismuth crystals. And when you drive an electromagnetic

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signal of the proper amplitude through a properly polished and

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distributed array of bismuth, I mean I'm giving away a

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time travel secret here. I have yet to receive a

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call from any listener that they've developed a chronaviser, but

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somebody will anyway.

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Speaker 1: David around Tree, if you're listening, take notes, go ahead exactly.

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Speaker 2: I've cited this on so many interviews, that somebody's going to.

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Speaker 9: Invent the coronavisor and we're going to teleport it back

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to the pass of Project pegass can use it or

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give it to father Neddie and Jamelli, who are formally

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credited with discovering it. But what happens is you drive

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that signal through the crystal and bismuth is element eighty three.

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It has an extra proton shell. We know what he

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missed intrinos, and that may indicate why it sets up

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a hologram that is so dense in the laboratory that

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the hologram had the propensity to basically lends a non

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local event, what we would call a past or future

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event into the laboratory. It was also described how this

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device was in a sense, capturing the signal of usually

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a past event or a future event, and then amplifying

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it and bringing it into the laboratory, so you can

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view it as a lensing technique or basically an amplification technique,

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which is how fathers are Nettie and Jammelli at the

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Catholic University of Milan in the nineteen forties discovered if

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they were manipulating a microphone and made an accidental discovery

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of how to capture the sound signal and then the

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light from a future event. So from there we were

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then involved in bodily forms of time travel. It included

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tesla teleportation where you go through a bortal tunnel, and

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time space jumping through stargates, which are simply advanced teleporters

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that can send you to the far future, which requires

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more energy because the future hasn't opened up yet that

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the future is just a potential. So the stargate teleportation

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to the for example, they were sending me to twenty

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forty five to thirty seconds, not three, but it's still

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generated an identical vortal tunnel. And there were two more technologies,

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00:26:01,519 --> 00:26:05,519
the so called plasma confinement chamber, which is the technology

482
00:26:05,559 --> 00:26:08,880
that they developed when I was on the project, and

483
00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:10,680
that's the one they used to send me to Gettysburg

484
00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:15,720
where I was photographed there the day that Lincoln was there.

485
00:26:16,119 --> 00:26:18,799
And then the jump rooms that we would later use

486
00:26:18,839 --> 00:26:21,599
to get to Mars by the late seventies early eighties

487
00:26:22,559 --> 00:26:26,119
was sort of under development right before I left the

488
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:29,640
first secret defense project I was in, which was Project

489
00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,240
Pegasus in the early seventies. I left it in the

490
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,880
end of the summer of nineteen seventy two, shortly before

491
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,079
my family moved from New Jersey to California because Parsons

492
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:42,960
moved from Ralph M. Parsons Company moved from New York

493
00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,440
City to Los Angeles on its way to to Pasadena, California.

494
00:26:46,480 --> 00:26:48,559
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, it's absolutely true.

495
00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,799
Speaker 9: That's the difficult thing for me is that I know

496
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,119
that I was one of humanity's early time space explorers,

497
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:58,960
and I know that the government has these technologies unless

498
00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:02,000
they totally screwed up and not just scrapped some of

499
00:27:02,039 --> 00:27:03,920
this but thrown them to stuff away. When I went

500
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:07,319
in search of the tachistoscope and speed learning machines, the

501
00:27:07,359 --> 00:27:11,000
school district had just literally jumped them. So my great

502
00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:15,200
fear is that after calling for the implementation of Tesla teleportation,

503
00:27:15,319 --> 00:27:17,839
I'll find that data can't find the technology or have

504
00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:20,720
destroyed it. But my story is absolutely true, and you know,

505
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:24,759
look at it from my perspective. I was involved in advances,

506
00:27:24,799 --> 00:27:28,279
you know, advanced technical feats that are great American civilization achieved,

507
00:27:28,759 --> 00:27:30,720
that are on the same level or perhaps even more

508
00:27:30,759 --> 00:27:35,680
advanced than the Right Brothers achieving flight, and our effort

509
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:38,759
as a country during the nineteen sixties to land human

510
00:27:38,799 --> 00:27:41,640
beings on the Moon and return them safely to the earth.

511
00:27:42,200 --> 00:27:45,920
And so I'm coming from a place of absolute truth

512
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:49,440
and patriotism because I know what I was involved in

513
00:27:49,559 --> 00:27:52,640
was very significant, not just for America but for the world.

514
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,279
So all I can do is stand in my truth.

515
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,480
I mean, those who would discredit me have nothing to

516
00:27:58,559 --> 00:28:03,519
go on because in fact, I've been citing the names,

517
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:10,039
the technologies that the project locations, the companies involved, sometimes

518
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:13,200
the providence and function of the technologies. And all my

519
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,880
critics are able to say is either that I'm a

520
00:28:15,960 --> 00:28:19,480
stooch for the CIA, or that I'm mind controlled or delusional.

521
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:22,119
But the bottom line is that I'm not. I mean,

522
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:26,440
I had achieved a distinguished academic pedigree before I even

523
00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:30,400
became a whistleblower. I had already practiced law for a

524
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,599
number of years. Why would I throw it away telling

525
00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:36,240
a tall tale? And if I wanted to tell a

526
00:28:36,279 --> 00:28:38,880
tall tale this convoluted Why wouldn't I have become a

527
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:42,000
fiction writer. Why would I hang my professional and personal

528
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:46,839
reputation on a set of facts that could be deemed fictional?

529
00:28:47,119 --> 00:28:49,200
So I just have to tell the truth, which is

530
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,640
the project happened. It involved time travel technology, and I

531
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:55,920
was in it. And as I'll show in my book

532
00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:58,759
when my book comes out. I even got admissions against

533
00:28:58,839 --> 00:29:01,400
interest from some of the projects principle. I mean, I

534
00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:05,160
spoke with my father, Courtney Hunt of the CIA, doctor

535
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:11,160
Harold Agnew, one of the Manhattan Project physicists. I spoke

536
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,960
with Cliff Harris, who when the climatologist, who when he

537
00:29:16,039 --> 00:29:18,599
was working with Ivan Browning. Ivan was telling him everything

538
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:23,200
that I've been describing, you know. So the problem is

539
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,359
not that my story is made up. The problem for

540
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,680
me at now as a public figure is my story's

541
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:31,799
not made up, and I have to control my anger.

542
00:29:32,119 --> 00:29:32,319
Speaker 3: You know.

543
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:34,920
Speaker 2: Look look at buzz Aldron. He punched bart Sebral in

544
00:29:34,960 --> 00:29:35,319
the nose.

545
00:29:35,960 --> 00:29:36,799
Speaker 4: Good for him too.

546
00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:40,559
Speaker 1: Well, Andrew, we're going to take our first break, okay,

547
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:43,799
so don't go away, everybody. We're talking with Andrew Bishago,

548
00:29:44,359 --> 00:29:47,519
and you're listening to Unknown Origins Radio here on kg

549
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,400
RA a d be the Global Radio Alliance, and we'll.

550
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:51,759
Speaker 4: Be right back after these words.

551
00:29:53,359 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 1: And welcome back to Unknown Origins Radio here in kg RA,

552
00:29:57,319 --> 00:30:00,839
the Global Radio Alliance. I'm Mark Johnson, Lauren de Pinto,

553
00:30:01,319 --> 00:30:06,119
and we're talking with our guest Andrew Pisago, who is

554
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:10,720
talking to us about the Project Pegasus time travel experiment

555
00:30:10,799 --> 00:30:12,880
that he was a part of back during the nineteen

556
00:30:13,599 --> 00:30:16,720
sixties and seventies. Now Andrew, you, just before we went

557
00:30:16,759 --> 00:30:19,240
to break you were talking about the different methods of

558
00:30:19,559 --> 00:30:24,079
time travel. You mentioned that you went to Gettysburg and

559
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:25,920
saw Lincoln's address.

560
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:28,319
Speaker 4: Tell us a little bit about that story.

561
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,519
Speaker 9: Well, I was sent to do so, but I ended not.

562
00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:34,279
I ended up not seeing mister Lincoln during that pro

563
00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:37,279
to the past. What happened was in the spring of

564
00:30:37,319 --> 00:30:41,359
nineteen seventy two, my father took me up to a

565
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:44,440
building in East Hanover, New Jersey, that was a brick

566
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:47,880
building that was about maybe twice the size of a

567
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:52,319
high school chemistry lab. It wasn't a big building. And

568
00:30:52,359 --> 00:30:56,119
there I met a scientist who had had pretty extensive

569
00:30:56,119 --> 00:31:00,759
contact with in New Mexico after teleporting there during the

570
00:31:00,799 --> 00:31:03,160
past three years from ninteen sixty nine to seventy two,

571
00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:09,519
named doctor Sterling Colgate. And there on the shop floor

572
00:31:09,559 --> 00:31:13,359
they introduced me to essentially the seventh time travel technology

573
00:31:13,359 --> 00:31:16,920
that I mentioned, which is a methodology called methodology called

574
00:31:16,960 --> 00:31:22,359
plasma confinement, which is where when you place plasma radioactive

575
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:26,440
plasma under confinement, you can create a differential between our

576
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,960
time and other timelines, so that when you're immersed in

577
00:31:30,039 --> 00:31:32,640
the plasma, you're sent there. Now, I just want to

578
00:31:32,920 --> 00:31:37,200
note parenthetically that when I was investigating the famous Montelamar,

579
00:31:37,240 --> 00:31:41,160
France time slip case, I found that the entire town

580
00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,759
in Montelamar, France had been accidentally blanketed with a layer

581
00:31:45,799 --> 00:31:49,480
of radioactive plasma. In the week before the Jibneys and

582
00:31:49,480 --> 00:31:54,000
the Simpsons, that famous group of British couples was accidentally

583
00:31:54,119 --> 00:31:56,279
time slipped about one hundred years into the past with

584
00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,200
their vehicle. Okay, So, in this experimental set in spring

585
00:32:01,279 --> 00:32:05,880
of nineteen seventy two, I was shown that they would

586
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:11,920
put me down in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, on a road northwest

587
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:16,920
of the main north south road that went into downtown Gettysburg.

588
00:32:18,240 --> 00:32:22,319
I was dressed as a Union bugle boy and basically

589
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:24,680
instructed how I could walk into town to try to

590
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,720
be there even before mister Lincoln arrived. In fact, I

591
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:30,440
would arrive before hardly anybody had it even gone over

592
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:33,839
to the dais where he gave his famous Gettysburg Address

593
00:32:33,880 --> 00:32:34,680
of November.

594
00:32:34,359 --> 00:32:35,839
Speaker 2: Nineteen, eighteen sixty three.

595
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,319
Speaker 9: So as they had described, I found myself when I

596
00:32:39,319 --> 00:32:43,519
walked into the field of radioactive plasma under confinement. I

597
00:32:43,559 --> 00:32:48,759
felt myself tumbling through about thirty seconds of really violently

598
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:54,160
branching wormholes, and then I popped into view kind of feverish.

599
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:57,319
I could smell ozone in the air, and I realized

600
00:32:57,319 --> 00:33:01,559
that I had lost my hat, my union hat, and

601
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:03,559
both of my shoes and one of my socks. So

602
00:33:03,599 --> 00:33:06,240
I sat down on the ground. Actually had already I'd

603
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,039
stood up from the ground, but I sat down again

604
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:11,920
and took off my remaining sock and threw it behind

605
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:13,200
a bush.

606
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 2: I then walked into town for about forty minutes.

607
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,839
Speaker 9: I mean I was just a little kid, so it

608
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,119
took about forty minutes to get in town, or it

609
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:25,160
seemed like forty minutes. And it was so cold, of

610
00:33:25,200 --> 00:33:28,759
course it was you know, November nineteenth in rural Pennsylvania.

611
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:32,920
That my teeth were chattering uncontrollably. And as I walked

612
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:36,279
up onto the sidewalk of several shops that were kind

613
00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:40,160
of conjoined with a wooden sidewalk, an elderly man about

614
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,079
seventy years of age, walked onto the sidewalk platform there hobbling,

615
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,759
and prior to identifying him, I described his face, his age,

616
00:33:50,359 --> 00:33:52,680
the fact that he looked like he was recovering from

617
00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:57,119
a recent wound near his hip or upper leg, the

618
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,400
fact that he had a skeleton key to the millinery shop,

619
00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:03,680
which is the men's successory shop. That he must have

620
00:34:03,759 --> 00:34:06,400
lived nearby because he you know, it's like eight forty

621
00:34:06,400 --> 00:34:09,360
five in the morning, the shops have an open. Nobody's

622
00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:13,639
in downtown Gettysburg. Downtown Gettysburg was like going into a

623
00:34:14,519 --> 00:34:16,159
small town in Maine today.

624
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 2: I mean, it was just a couple of shops.

625
00:34:18,800 --> 00:34:21,239
Speaker 9: You know, it's like a general store and some specialized store,

626
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:24,159
but nothing that we'd identify as a modern downtown. It

627
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:27,400
was sort of like an outlying city strip mall made

628
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:29,840
of wood out here where I live in Washington State,

629
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:33,880
where you might have, you know, some kind of gentrified

630
00:34:34,039 --> 00:34:38,840
service station, general store, you know, a tavern, and maybe

631
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,119
a real estate office or a clothing store or something.

632
00:34:42,920 --> 00:34:45,559
And I was looking in the millinery shop because I

633
00:34:45,559 --> 00:34:47,000
was looking for a jacket. I thought I could just

634
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:52,440
walk in and maybe grab one. And this man said said, boy,

635
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,119
what are you doing out here without your jacket.

636
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:56,639
Speaker 2: Without these shoes. You're going to catch your grip.

637
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,679
Speaker 9: Lad Let me take you inside and get you a jacket,

638
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:03,119
which is some shoes. And I've since found out that

639
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:07,000
that man was John Lawrence Burns. He lived two blocks away.

640
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:10,719
He was the town cobbler. He had been wounded when

641
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,880
he took up a gun and became a Union sharp

642
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,840
shooter during the Battle of Gettysburg the previous July. He

643
00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,239
looks exactly like I had described him, which is sort

644
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:23,400
of a sour faced Robert F. Kennedy at sixty nine,

645
00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:28,239
seventy years of age, if Bobby Kennedy had lived. And

646
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,800
he voluntarily helped me, and we know that John Lawrence

647
00:35:31,800 --> 00:35:35,280
Burns volunteered himself into both the War of eighteen twelve

648
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,039
and the Civil War. And he took me inside and

649
00:35:38,039 --> 00:35:41,480
he outfitted me in grossly oversized men's street shoes. They

650
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:44,960
were about a size men's size fourteen. He was actually

651
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:47,280
stuffing packing paper into the front of them so they

652
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:50,920
fit my feet. And they were the oldest, the most dilapidated,

653
00:35:51,320 --> 00:35:54,360
the major shoes on the back shelf of the main

654
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:56,840
floor of the shop. He said, well, it looks like

655
00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,760
those fit son. Follow me, and he marched me into

656
00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,400
the into the back of storage room where there were

657
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:07,159
about twenty Union jackets on the floor that clearly had

658
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:09,760
been laundered. Although I don't question that some of them

659
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:13,800
may have taken a bullet of musket hole, they may

660
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:16,000
literally have been taken even from some of the battlefield

661
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:19,679
dead and laundered. And he outfitted me in a medium

662
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,559
adult size, which for me was almost as small. I mean,

663
00:36:22,679 --> 00:36:25,440
it fit me perfectly at age ten. So it was

664
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:30,119
an adult medium winter Union parka. It was kind of

665
00:36:30,199 --> 00:36:34,480
like those old winter jackets we had in the fifties,

666
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:36,719
if you remember when we were really small, you know,

667
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:40,360
before the feathered parkas came in, those kind of cloth

668
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:47,400
cotton things with the cotton batting on the inside. And

669
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,920
he then said, well, son, I think you're going to

670
00:36:49,960 --> 00:36:52,000
be warm enough, but listen, the present United States is

671
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:54,000
going to be here this morning, and I've got to

672
00:36:54,039 --> 00:36:57,000
meet him. And I've since learned that John Lawrence Burns

673
00:36:57,000 --> 00:37:00,639
in fact, was introduced to President Lincoln that day because

674
00:37:00,639 --> 00:37:02,920
he was one of the heroes of Gettysburg. He was

675
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,760
this old man who had taken up his rifle and

676
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,519
become a sharpshooter for the Union cause prior to getting

677
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:14,199
shot where in the upper leg lower hit which is

678
00:37:14,199 --> 00:37:17,320
where I said he was hobbling. He was actually moving

679
00:37:17,360 --> 00:37:20,920
his whole leg as one piece as he was hobbling along.

680
00:37:21,880 --> 00:37:24,840
So he then walked over to the dais. The dais

681
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:29,079
where Lincoln spoke was about one hundred by twenty five feet,

682
00:37:29,320 --> 00:37:31,199
you know, one hundred feet wide by about twenty five

683
00:37:31,199 --> 00:37:34,519
feet deep, and it was surrounded by three feet of

684
00:37:34,599 --> 00:37:36,199
bunting about three feet off the ground.

685
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:37,400
Speaker 2: And that was it.

686
00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,639
Speaker 9: It had no roof, no pillars, nothing, It was just

687
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,960
a platform. And doing as I was told by my

688
00:37:44,039 --> 00:37:47,239
father back at East Hannover in nineteen seventy two, he said,

689
00:37:47,599 --> 00:37:51,239
you know, go over to where the cemetery is from downtown.

690
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,320
You'll be able to see the bunting over there. That's

691
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,400
where mister Lincoln's gonna appear. So just go over there

692
00:37:56,440 --> 00:37:59,639
and wait when we send you to walk in to

693
00:37:59,639 --> 00:38:02,840
get They had sent me northwest of Gettysburg so that

694
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:07,719
I wouldn't be noticed suddenly popping in the view and sat.

695
00:38:07,840 --> 00:38:10,000
I stood over by the left side of the dais,

696
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,880
and I was getting too much attention from these two

697
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,280
young ladies who were sort of dressed late ladies who

698
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,039
were dressed in their Sunday best and they were kind

699
00:38:17,039 --> 00:38:20,800
of gossiping about me and looking over at me behind

700
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,400
their fans, presumably because I looked like a young carpetbager.

701
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,360
I looked like I had just stripped clothing, or four

702
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:31,320
years previously, had stripped some clothing from the Brave Union Dead,

703
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,760
because I'm now wearing this hodgepodge of child and adult

704
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:39,440
Union clothing, you know, military issue both that the bugle

705
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,679
boy uniform below the jacket, the hat and everything. And

706
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:47,400
my shoes, of course were brown civilian street shoes, so

707
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,000
that that kind of finished off the appearance of a carpetbagger,

708
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,000
would I would imagine. So I then went over to

709
00:38:52,039 --> 00:38:54,440
the front of the dais, and who do I encounter

710
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:58,039
but my father, And I say, Dad, I didn't know

711
00:38:58,119 --> 00:39:00,360
you were going to be here, and he didn't answer,

712
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,840
and I said, Dad, you're not going to talk to me,

713
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,559
your own son. You sent me to Gettysburg in eighteen

714
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,840
sixty three, and you won't even talk to me. And

715
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,400
he looked at me and stepped away and said, I'm

716
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:14,000
not your paw son. Because he realized when he had

717
00:39:14,039 --> 00:39:17,440
met when he had been sent at years previous to

718
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,000
when I was sent from East Hannover nineteen seventy two.

719
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:23,519
It's now nineteen sixty seven, sixty eight, during the emergency

720
00:39:23,519 --> 00:39:27,039
of these technologies. He's really realizing that his son has

721
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:30,199
now gone to Gettysburg as well. He's now over on

722
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:34,280
his right side, addressing him using his real identity back

723
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:39,400
from our timeline our present. But my dad was discovering

724
00:39:39,400 --> 00:39:41,840
this and more so he was dealing with the odd

725
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:44,079
turn of events that I looked four or five years

726
00:39:44,079 --> 00:39:47,039
older than I did back at the house. Okay, he

727
00:39:47,079 --> 00:39:49,679
looked younger than me, and so when he said that

728
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:53,079
I wasn't that you know, he wasn't my paw. I

729
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:55,440
then went to the right side of the dais again,

730
00:39:55,480 --> 00:39:59,400
where I was promptly questioned by two Union officers about,

731
00:39:59,519 --> 00:40:02,480
you know, where my regiment was, why I wasn't with it,

732
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,519
where it was bivouac.

733
00:40:04,079 --> 00:40:04,760
Speaker 2: And so forth.

734
00:40:05,440 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 9: So because of these three threats to operational security, I

735
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:11,719
had been extensively trained. In fact, I was the captain

736
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,360
of the cadre of time travelers. In my group, we

737
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,440
were Blue Teams. There were fourteen groups of ten, all

738
00:40:18,519 --> 00:40:22,880
under a code, a color code, so we were Blue Team,

739
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,320
and I had been given specialized training as captain the

740
00:40:25,320 --> 00:40:28,239
Blue Team. So I realized that all this attention I

741
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,800
was getting was contrary to operational security. I might kick,

742
00:40:30,960 --> 00:40:35,440
for example, arrested by Union forces. In fact, if you

743
00:40:35,519 --> 00:40:37,360
look at the image that was taken of me by

744
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:41,280
we believed by Matthew Brady the photograph, I'm holding a

745
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:44,440
cylinder in my right hand and see it in the picture.

746
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,440
And what that was was a letter to Navy Secretary

747
00:40:48,559 --> 00:40:52,000
Gideon Wells of the Lincoln cabinet to offer me aid

748
00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:54,320
and assistance in the field in the event that I

749
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,760
was arrested by Union or civilian authorities, you know, military

750
00:41:00,119 --> 00:41:04,039
or civilian authorities. So realizing that I might promptly be arrested,

751
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:06,119
for example, if the Union officers came over and began

752
00:41:06,199 --> 00:41:10,480
questioning me again, I walked about one hundred paces from

753
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,400
where I knew Lincoln would soon be arriving. I looked

754
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:17,639
in the opposite direction. I put my left feet foot

755
00:41:17,679 --> 00:41:19,920
forward and my right foot to the side so nobody

756
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,320
would see these terrific boats that my feet had been

757
00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:27,199
shot in by mister Burns. And it was in that

758
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:31,440
strange kind of relaxed nineteen seventies posture that I was

759
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:35,559
photographed in the first photograph to show it in a

760
00:41:35,599 --> 00:41:38,239
bona fide sense, to show a time travel from the future.

761
00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:41,199
So on that jump, I left the Dais within minutes

762
00:41:41,199 --> 00:41:45,039
of Lincoln's arrival. But because I was adhering to my training,

763
00:41:45,039 --> 00:41:48,280
what ultimately ended up happening is I put myself right

764
00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:50,320
in the front of that photograph. I'm the boy on

765
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:52,440
the left side of the foregrand of that photograph.

766
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,920
Speaker 1: For anybody listening right now, I have posted links to

767
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,480
that photo in our chat room, So you go to

768
00:41:58,519 --> 00:41:59,440
the chat room, you can.

769
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,480
Speaker 4: Click on the link and view those photos. I'm sorry,

770
00:42:01,480 --> 00:42:02,440
and you go ahead and continue.

771
00:42:02,679 --> 00:42:05,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, Well, that that photograph has been has been analyzed

772
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,599
by William Stillings, who, in fact is that the relative

773
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,719
of Josephine Cobb, who was the photo analyst of the

774
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:16,480
Library of Congress who discovered Lincoln on the Dais in

775
00:42:16,559 --> 00:42:19,800
nineteen fifty one. She took a spyglass to the adults,

776
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:21,280
so you know, the people that can be seen standing

777
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:25,079
on the Dais, And it turns out, excuse me, it

778
00:42:25,079 --> 00:42:29,519
turns out that several pixels show Lincoln's head, undoubtedly after

779
00:42:29,559 --> 00:42:33,559
he just arrived, because when I left the Dais he

780
00:42:33,639 --> 00:42:37,159
had not yet arrived, and the picture was taken with

781
00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:40,239
him let's say, two minutes from when I walked away

782
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,079
from the dais and then assumed that strange pose to

783
00:42:43,159 --> 00:42:48,719
try to avoid detection. And so William Stillings, a cousin

784
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:53,519
of Josephine Cobb, I mean Brett's mother is Gail Cobb Stillings,

785
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,639
has analyzed it, and of course Brett would go on

786
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:57,239
to be one of my fellow jumpers in the Mars

787
00:42:57,320 --> 00:43:00,480
jumper and program. And also John Gannon of Troit has

788
00:43:00,519 --> 00:43:02,639
taken a hard look at that photo and they found

789
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:04,559
a number of strange things. One is, my face has

790
00:43:04,599 --> 00:43:08,000
blurred out, even though the faces of human beings closer

791
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,719
to the camera and far away farther away than I am,

792
00:43:11,039 --> 00:43:11,880
are not blurred.

793
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:13,000
Speaker 2: You can see their features.

794
00:43:13,519 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 9: Mine is just sort of a plain, flesh toned surface

795
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:20,480
with no features evident. The other strange thing is there's

796
00:43:20,480 --> 00:43:22,840
some kind of entity next to me, not an extraterrestrial,

797
00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,639
but some kind of ghost like figure. You can see

798
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:32,199
my grossly oversized shoes. But it looks like that photograph

799
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,519
was taken shortly before I began, before the effects of

800
00:43:35,559 --> 00:43:39,559
the plasma confinement began to basically return me to East

801
00:43:39,559 --> 00:43:41,880
Hanover in nineteen seventy two. So it's not only the

802
00:43:41,920 --> 00:43:44,280
first photograph to show a time traveler in the future.

803
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:47,559
We believe, because of its defects that if it hasn't

804
00:43:47,599 --> 00:43:51,599
been manipulated, it literally shows me being returned to the presence.

805
00:43:51,599 --> 00:43:53,199
So I think there was some kind of I think

806
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,599
the hand of the divine was in everything that was

807
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,559
causing me to put myself in that location. The strange

808
00:43:59,559 --> 00:44:02,679
thing is I was under as much tension as I

809
00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,119
ever was time traveling during those three years when that

810
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:09,800
photograph was taken. I had initially been essentially anxious about

811
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,559
seeing Lincoln, you know, literly standing below him as he

812
00:44:13,599 --> 00:44:17,280
gave the Gettysburg address. That was just a formulation that

813
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:20,719
was just too anxiety provoking for me to even cope with.

814
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:24,199
During intervening two weeks, I had initially begged off, and

815
00:44:24,239 --> 00:44:25,519
they said, well, I, why don't you come back in

816
00:44:25,559 --> 00:44:28,559
two weeks. Of course, from their perspective in nineteen seventy two,

817
00:44:28,599 --> 00:44:31,719
I'm speaking about my late father, Raymond and doctor Coolgi.

818
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,199
They had the intelligence from their past prose that my

819
00:44:36,320 --> 00:44:39,639
father was destined to meet me when he went, so

820
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,920
they knew that when they sent me at a later time.

821
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:45,480
I would be there the same day and then have

822
00:44:45,679 --> 00:44:48,880
that faded meeting with my dad in front of the DAIS.

823
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:51,960
So it's a very unique photograph, a very important one,

824
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,480
and in fact it's one of the only photographs.

825
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:58,079
Speaker 2: In the National Archives that's classified. So go figure.

826
00:44:58,199 --> 00:45:00,679
Speaker 9: But I think it's classified because they know it shows

827
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:05,639
something extremely sensitive, which is me being sent to Gettysburg

828
00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:08,639
by Project Pegasus when it was published in the early

829
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:13,039
seventies and I had just the the serendipity to receive

830
00:45:13,079 --> 00:45:16,679
that magazine. I took the magazine to my father and

831
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:19,360
I said, look, Dad, when you sent me to Gettysburg,

832
00:45:19,760 --> 00:45:21,920
they got a picture of me there, and he looked

833
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,400
at it and said, yep, just don't talk about it.

834
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:27,480
And when I later asked my dad why they hadn't

835
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:31,039
sent me to Daly Plaza on November twenty second of

836
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:34,480
nineteen sixty three to try to determine who shot President Kennedy,

837
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:37,440
you know, from where the shots were fired, my dad

838
00:45:37,480 --> 00:45:40,559
said we couldn't because there were so many still and

839
00:45:40,639 --> 00:45:45,119
motion pictured cameras and Deally Plaza on that tragic day

840
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,000
that I would be seen and photographed if they sent

841
00:45:48,039 --> 00:45:49,639
me there, and that was viewed as a threat to

842
00:45:49,679 --> 00:45:53,480
operational security. So the creation of that photograph in all

843
00:45:53,639 --> 00:45:58,079
likelihood by Matthew Brady. I say that because the photographer

844
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:01,199
looked like Brady. I saw him setting up his camera

845
00:46:01,239 --> 00:46:04,960
on a small step ladder, and also because the photograph

846
00:46:05,079 --> 00:46:08,199
was in a cash of photographs that had once been

847
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:11,000
owned by Brady that was donated to the Library of Congress.

848
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:13,480
So I think it's a real certainty that it is

849
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:19,800
literally also a Matthew Brady photograph. It basically is still

850
00:46:19,840 --> 00:46:22,639
a threat to the fact, to the operational security and

851
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:26,239
the concealment of the fact by the US government that

852
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:29,280
the US time space program was so advanced by nineteen

853
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:34,159
seventy two that they were literally sending American school children

854
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,199
in time space and training us to be the next

855
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,039
cadre of US chrononauts.

856
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:44,639
Speaker 4: That's fascinating, That's unbelievable.

857
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 6: Is this still going on today?

858
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:51,039
Speaker 9: I think it has probably been going on ever since

859
00:46:51,159 --> 00:46:53,719
one of the curious just utterly. There have been numerous

860
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:57,719
coincidences when I went about investigating my experiences. For example,

861
00:46:57,800 --> 00:46:59,559
let me just cite one that relates to this experience.

862
00:47:00,440 --> 00:47:02,320
I didn't have to use that letter to get the

863
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,559
aid of an assistance of then Navy Secretary Gidding Well,

864
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:08,920
this is member of Lincoln's cabinet. But one time I

865
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:10,920
was traveling in Hawaii a number of years ago, and

866
00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:15,320
my accommodation fell through, and I had yet to give

867
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,079
a set of lectures that I was going to give

868
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:20,440
on the island of Maui to get home to the mainland.

869
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:22,920
So I was short on cash and reather sleeping on

870
00:47:22,920 --> 00:47:24,519
the streets like I could have because it was the summer.

871
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,800
I could have just gone into the woods and slept

872
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:32,480
whatever it was warm enough. But my accommodation had fallen

873
00:47:32,480 --> 00:47:35,280
through as a result of an argument with somebody, and

874
00:47:35,320 --> 00:47:37,920
I sought out my Facebook friend who since has become

875
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:42,119
a dear friend, which is Janet Lesson, and Janet and

876
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:46,119
her husband, doctor Alexander Lesson gave me aid and assistance

877
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:48,480
in the field. They put me up for six weeks

878
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,280
until I delivered to set a series of lectures to

879
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:54,840
raise the money to get home with Well. Surprise, surprise,

880
00:47:55,039 --> 00:47:59,320
Janet Lesson is a direct lineal descendant of guess who

881
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:04,320
Gideon Well, So those kinds of synchronicities are deeply embedded

882
00:48:04,320 --> 00:48:08,000
through my whole story, just like my friend Brett Stillings

883
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:12,400
and fellow US Kronanat being related to the photo analyst

884
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:17,360
who found Lincoln in that photograph, Josephine Cobb. So it

885
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:19,960
just the coincidence has never ends. So I do believe

886
00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:22,440
that I have been used in some way by divine

887
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,960
providence to not only time travel, but I do believe

888
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,840
that the universe was working. I know this sounds kind

889
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,599
of vainglorious or even odd, but I kind of feel

890
00:48:31,599 --> 00:48:33,199
like the hand of the divine has been on my

891
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:37,199
shoulder to both have these experiences and then have the

892
00:48:37,239 --> 00:48:40,519
gifts to remember and tell them and literally apprize the

893
00:48:40,559 --> 00:48:43,519
world of what happened because I am telling the truth

894
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:46,679
and this was an actual US defense project. It was,

895
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:51,000
as my father said, a classified defense related research.

896
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:52,840
Speaker 2: And development project of the Cold War.

897
00:48:54,079 --> 00:48:56,800
Speaker 9: And after I grew up, I put all the pieces

898
00:48:56,840 --> 00:48:59,920
together and what I'm sharing is the God's honest true.

899
00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:02,440
At this point, I've gotten corroboration by others, so I

900
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,519
don't know why some are still saying that it's a

901
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:05,119
tall tale.

902
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:05,960
Speaker 2: It's not a tall.

903
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 9: Fale, and it wasn't really an experiment. It was more

904
00:49:08,639 --> 00:49:11,760
like it was more of an intelligence program where they

905
00:49:11,800 --> 00:49:14,639
were using the eight technologies that they had already developed

906
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:18,440
to train us how to gather intelligence via a time travel.

907
00:49:19,679 --> 00:49:22,559
Speaker 1: Now, has anybody else, any of the other children at

908
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:26,440
that time come forward and also corroborated your story.

909
00:49:27,119 --> 00:49:31,280
Speaker 9: Well, they're all focusing on their lives. I did reach

910
00:49:31,320 --> 00:49:33,119
out to all of them, and I tried to find

911
00:49:33,159 --> 00:49:35,559
the other nine in my immediate group. I didn't even

912
00:49:35,599 --> 00:49:38,920
have the first names of the other one hundred and

913
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,760
thirty kids around the country. I certainly I knew that

914
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:45,639
one had lost his feet teleporting the Santa Fe when

915
00:49:45,679 --> 00:49:48,280
you arrived in a fountain, Oh my goodness, as a

916
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,119
specific gravity of the water essentially slid off his feet

917
00:49:51,119 --> 00:49:54,800
at the ankles. I witnessed that mishap that was very,

918
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:59,559
very heart rented a terrible accident. I also just told

919
00:49:59,599 --> 00:50:01,079
by Jack Cruit that one of the girls in the

920
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:04,440
program had gone blind, had lost her site by looking

921
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:07,679
up at the extremely bright light of the crystal array

922
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,719
and the coronaviser. But when I reached out to the

923
00:50:11,719 --> 00:50:15,039
other ten whose names I could remember, I found about

924
00:50:15,119 --> 00:50:17,360
six of them, and I must say that they did

925
00:50:17,400 --> 00:50:21,000
corroborate an important aspect of my account, which was they

926
00:50:21,079 --> 00:50:24,519
all remembered the Montalk chair in our learning lab. Now

927
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:28,000
the Montalk chair is a time travel device. Preston Nichols

928
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:30,159
and Peter Moon have written an excellent series of books

929
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:33,239
about the later work that was done in Project Montak,

930
00:50:33,400 --> 00:50:36,239
just focusing on the chair, which was you know, Montalk

931
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:41,039
being a spin off of Pegasus, and they all affirm

932
00:50:41,800 --> 00:50:44,199
the existence of the chair in our learning lab there

933
00:50:44,199 --> 00:50:47,639
at Mount View Roade Elementary School. What happened, however, when

934
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:51,000
I tried to take their memories off campus to some

935
00:50:51,039 --> 00:50:55,719
of these defense contractor and US military based locations, is

936
00:50:55,760 --> 00:51:00,920
I got a range of responses up and panicked and

937
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:07,559
hung up the phone. Some minimized what had happened, and

938
00:51:07,679 --> 00:51:11,800
some confirm remembering being taken off campus, but then would

939
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,880
forget the next weekend that we had spoken about it.

940
00:51:14,719 --> 00:51:16,400
So the brainwashing kicked in.

941
00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:21,440
Speaker 1: Now, were you subjected to brainwashing to try to make

942
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:22,360
you forget any of this?

943
00:51:24,599 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: Yes.

944
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:27,440
Speaker 9: At a certain point, when we began teleporting back to

945
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:32,360
New Jersey from New Mexico, they began marching us into

946
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:37,760
the engineering building at Curtis Wright and giving us about

947
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:42,719
thirty seconds of electrominnetic shock to the temples to produce

948
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:46,559
immediate forgetfulness of the fact that we had just teleported.

949
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,840
And then before I left the program, in I think

950
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:55,280
seventy two, excuse me, I was subjected to another experience

951
00:51:55,320 --> 00:52:00,880
where I had terrific headaches induced in an attempt to

952
00:52:00,880 --> 00:52:02,440
make me forget three years.

953
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 2: Of stuff I had done for the federal government.

954
00:52:04,440 --> 00:52:09,159
Speaker 9: So they were using essentially both electro convulsive shock and

955
00:52:10,880 --> 00:52:15,000
pain induction to brainwash us to forget. But you know something,

956
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:18,639
the reason I could talk about my experiences now is

957
00:52:18,679 --> 00:52:21,639
because I defeated that brainwashing when they were trying to

958
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:24,760
impose it on me. So I'm not a victim as

959
00:52:24,840 --> 00:52:28,960
the great Jesse Ventura. Look, if I'm not elected president

960
00:52:29,119 --> 00:52:32,800
in twenty sixteen, and you know I am running, the

961
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:36,039
other candidate that I'm supporting is Governor Ventures. Governor Ventura,

962
00:52:36,719 --> 00:52:41,159
I think is literally potentially a vehicle for positive change

963
00:52:41,159 --> 00:52:44,360
in this country. I have even more respect after meeting

964
00:52:44,400 --> 00:52:46,599
him and working with him on a show than I

965
00:52:46,639 --> 00:52:49,440
already did before he extended that great privilege to me.

966
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:54,679
But during the end of his coverage of my experiences,

967
00:52:55,119 --> 00:52:57,519
he stated that I was a victim of the Defense

968
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:00,599
Research and Development activities of that time. And that's on

969
00:53:00,599 --> 00:53:03,000
one level, that's true. I mean I was tortured, but

970
00:53:03,039 --> 00:53:06,519
I want to emphasize that I'm not a victim. Longitudinally,

971
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:11,360
I'm a victor because I was involved in the time travel.

972
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,119
It was the time travel that was going on during

973
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,400
the emergence of time travel, when what we were doing

974
00:53:16,480 --> 00:53:21,760
was new, dangerous, and experimental. I was tortured. I bucked

975
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:25,800
up and defeated the torture. I remembered what I did,

976
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:29,400
and now, as an adult, I'm bringing my experiences forward.

977
00:53:30,000 --> 00:53:33,000
So I don't really agree with Jesse's formulation that I'm

978
00:53:33,039 --> 00:53:35,920
a victim. I'm a victor of what happened, and it's

979
00:53:35,960 --> 00:53:41,199
because I remembered that one individual defeated the US Department

980
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:45,039
of Defense and keeping its time travel secret secret, when

981
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:49,920
in fact, teleportation will be needed for humanity to achieve,

982
00:53:51,719 --> 00:53:54,840
to achieve not only to survive in the twenty first century,

983
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,679
but to thrive in the twenty first century. So that's

984
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:01,719
an important human element of my story. I'd like to emphasize, okay,

985
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:06,039
that I'm not a victim, but that I vanquished the program.

986
00:54:06,079 --> 00:54:09,079
I defeated the brainwashing, and I brought the story forward,

987
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,119
and it's a story that humanity and most especially the

988
00:54:12,159 --> 00:54:13,639
American people deserve to know.

989
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:15,559
Speaker 4: Well.

990
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 1: On that, we're going to go take our last break,

991
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,320
and when we come back, we'll be speaking the last

992
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,400
thirty minutes with more with Andrew Bishago and the next

993
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:29,440
phase of his project, which was traveling to Mars. So

994
00:54:30,119 --> 00:54:32,400
don't go away, you don't want to miss this. You're

995
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:36,320
listening to Unknown Origins Radio here on KGRA, the Global

996
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,760
Radio Alliance, and we'll be right back and welcome back

997
00:54:39,760 --> 00:54:43,559
everyone to Unknown Origins Radio. I'm your host, Mark Johnson,

998
00:54:43,599 --> 00:54:45,000
along with Lauren Depento.

999
00:54:45,119 --> 00:54:46,360
Speaker 4: How are you doing so far? Lauren?

1000
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:50,360
Speaker 5: I am enthralled, and I really hate that we only

1001
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:52,519
have it half an hour left of the show.

1002
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:54,880
Speaker 1: There's so much to talk about there is there is,

1003
00:54:54,880 --> 00:54:57,480
so we're going to get right to it. I'll tell

1004
00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:00,199
people up front who are listening in the chat room,

1005
00:55:00,559 --> 00:55:02,079
I'll try to get any.

1006
00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,079
Speaker 4: Good questions you have in.

1007
00:55:03,400 --> 00:55:06,119
Speaker 1: But Andy does have a lot of story left to tell,

1008
00:55:06,199 --> 00:55:07,920
so I want to let him get right to it,

1009
00:55:08,920 --> 00:55:11,400
and then we'll have him announce where you know you

1010
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:14,719
can find him on Facebook and his websites and stuff afterwards.

1011
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:14,920
Speaker 4: To learn more.

1012
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,800
Speaker 1: So Andy, we were mentioning as we were coming getting

1013
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:20,440
ready to come back to break you were going to

1014
00:55:20,519 --> 00:55:24,320
talk about why children were involved in this program.

1015
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1016
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 9: You know, my dad's taken a lot of hits, and

1017
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,840
he was really a very, very great man. I mean,

1018
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,039
he was one of the people who otherwise the American

1019
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:35,320
people wouldn't have known his name, and he actually was

1020
00:55:35,360 --> 00:55:38,199
dealing with some of the major national security threats of

1021
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,800
our childhood, you know, the Cold War. So he's been

1022
00:55:41,880 --> 00:55:47,119
unfairly he's been unfairly sort of criticized, and I just

1023
00:55:47,119 --> 00:55:50,440
want to emphasize that, you know, in this Cold War context,

1024
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:54,280
they were trying to create a time space travel capability

1025
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:57,239
because they were afraid that if we didn't do so

1026
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,920
first and occupy the high quantum ground as it was,

1027
00:56:00,079 --> 00:56:04,639
or that the Soviets would Their chief national security threat

1028
00:56:04,719 --> 00:56:08,639
they feared was a Soviet land invasion of the continental

1029
00:56:08,639 --> 00:56:12,440
of the United States delivered by the Soviet Navy. And

1030
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:16,159
they were also concerned that the extraterrestrials that were visiting

1031
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:20,039
US had a time travel capability because from the time

1032
00:56:20,119 --> 00:56:23,400
of the July nineteen fifty two overflight of Washington, d C.

1033
00:56:24,320 --> 00:56:27,719
They knew that the UFOs were appearing in somewhere in

1034
00:56:27,719 --> 00:56:31,280
the sky above America and then suddenly appearing somewhere else.

1035
00:56:32,119 --> 00:56:34,920
So they were basically teleporting it beyond the speed of

1036
00:56:35,000 --> 00:56:38,199
light in our airspace. So there was a decision that

1037
00:56:38,280 --> 00:56:40,840
was made, certainly by the mid sixties to be able

1038
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:44,280
to match that capability. Probably it began then in the

1039
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:47,800
early fifties. So they had to use children if they

1040
00:56:47,800 --> 00:56:50,400
were going to protect us. It wasn't as if my

1041
00:56:50,480 --> 00:56:53,599
father just marched into the Pentagon and volunteered me. He

1042
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:59,360
was approached by his peers by the military to be enrolled.

1043
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:03,280
So the first reason they were involving children is they

1044
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:07,280
had the teleportation capability, and they wanted to test the

1045
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:12,119
cognitive and physiological effects of Tesla teleportation on children because

1046
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:15,199
they were considering introducing it within the government to move

1047
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:21,400
US cabinet officials, military officers, and individuals in the intelligence community,

1048
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:25,920
and potentially their family members including their children, around major

1049
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:28,480
world cities. For example, let's say when the President was

1050
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:32,960
visiting Europe or Asia. The teleporters would exist at US

1051
00:57:33,079 --> 00:57:36,800
military facilities around the world, and that would allow our

1052
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:40,000
executive branch officials, including the President, the Vice president of

1053
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,119
the Secretary of State, the Secretary of Defense, are ambassadors

1054
00:57:44,119 --> 00:57:46,679
and so forth, to get around the world in a

1055
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:50,119
time urgent way without any jet lag, so they wouldn't

1056
00:57:50,199 --> 00:57:53,800
make any mistakes dealing with foreign countries, which in a

1057
00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:57,599
nuclear age could mean the difference between peace and nuclear

1058
00:57:57,679 --> 00:58:02,280
war and potentially annihilation of the human race. So they

1059
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:05,719
wanted to use teleportation to make our government function more

1060
00:58:05,800 --> 00:58:08,599
capably overseas, and so the.

1061
00:58:08,639 --> 00:58:09,840
Speaker 2: Children would be going with them.

1062
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:13,800
Speaker 9: Look at Malia and Sasha Obama that you know when

1063
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,119
they began their life as first children, that was around

1064
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:20,519
the age I was when I first started taking part

1065
00:58:20,519 --> 00:58:23,239
in these experiments. Okay, so they were testing us. We

1066
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:27,599
were experimentees. They also knew that when we were time traveling,

1067
00:58:28,719 --> 00:58:32,800
we would be tabula raza. In other words, what we

1068
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:36,400
would see when time traveling, unlike adults, would not be

1069
00:58:36,519 --> 00:58:41,480
influenced by the artificial selection pressure of our own past experiences.

1070
00:58:41,519 --> 00:58:43,840
We would be, in a sense less biased as to

1071
00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:47,639
what we were looking at and hence more accurate. They

1072
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:49,880
used the example of you know, a child will look

1073
00:58:49,880 --> 00:58:53,119
at an adult from another time and see that this

1074
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:57,400
individual has a scientific instrument in a shoulder or in

1075
00:58:58,039 --> 00:59:00,920
a holster on their lap or shoulder, but an adult

1076
00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:04,039
will see what they think as a firearm because they'll

1077
00:59:04,039 --> 00:59:05,679
think back to the Old West and they'll think, oh,

1078
00:59:05,719 --> 00:59:08,559
that must be a gun in that holster. Okay, So

1079
00:59:08,599 --> 00:59:12,519
they wanted to use us to produce more accurate data

1080
00:59:12,840 --> 00:59:16,119
regarding past and future events, which was again mission critical.

1081
00:59:17,360 --> 00:59:18,400
Speaker 2: They also we.

1082
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:22,800
Speaker 9: Were necessities because they found when they were working with

1083
00:59:22,840 --> 00:59:28,079
the holograms that the Chronavisors are propagated, that adults were

1084
00:59:28,119 --> 00:59:34,320
too big. The heartbeat, the footfall, the blood pressure, the

1085
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:39,679
speech of adults, sneezing or cough by an adult was

1086
00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:42,320
so loud that it would cause the hologram to go

1087
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:46,960
on the blink, whereas when a child's football, a child's heartbeat,

1088
00:59:47,440 --> 00:59:50,480
or if a child sneeze, it might cause the hologram

1089
00:59:50,519 --> 00:59:53,880
to quake a little bit, but not collapse. So we

1090
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,880
were necessities if they were going to use Chronavision to

1091
00:59:57,039 --> 01:00:01,480
create the looking glass effect that Dan Bursch was talking

1092
01:00:01,519 --> 01:00:06,719
about when he called the Kronavisor's looking glass technology in

1093
01:00:06,760 --> 01:00:11,239
his set of I think rather revelatory interviews by Project Camelot.

1094
01:00:12,000 --> 01:00:14,840
They were going to need to not collapse the hologram

1095
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:19,079
and Hence they had to either use diminutive adults or

1096
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:22,559
a cadre of specially trained small gifted children.

1097
01:00:22,840 --> 01:00:23,920
Speaker 2: And that's what we were.

1098
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:29,159
Speaker 9: We were highly psychic high IQ children who were cooperative

1099
01:00:29,159 --> 01:00:32,920
and type B but literally physically diminutive for our age group.

1100
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,559
I had entered kindergarten at age four, so at the

1101
01:00:36,559 --> 01:00:38,480
beginning of the third grade, I was about the size

1102
01:00:38,480 --> 01:00:42,400
of a first grader. Okay, So there we were necessities

1103
01:00:42,480 --> 01:00:46,519
technically speaking, and coronavision. Of course, was necessary to go

1104
01:00:46,760 --> 01:00:50,400
to the past before the advent of teleportation, because if

1105
01:00:50,400 --> 01:00:52,519
they had opened up a bortal tunnel and sent us

1106
01:00:52,559 --> 01:00:56,519
to the past before the emergence of Tesla teleportation, they

1107
01:00:56,519 --> 01:00:59,920
would have stranded us in the past. But the visors

1108
01:01:00,079 --> 01:01:02,679
had the advantage of setting up a hologram so that

1109
01:01:02,719 --> 01:01:05,360
when that hologram collapsed, we were back in the present

1110
01:01:06,079 --> 01:01:10,239
or could be extracted from the past via portal via

1111
01:01:10,679 --> 01:01:14,239
Tesla teleport in the hologram.

1112
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:14,639
Speaker 2: Okay.

1113
01:01:15,360 --> 01:01:18,639
Speaker 9: And now the fourth reason is they wanted to create

1114
01:01:18,679 --> 01:01:22,199
a cadre of adult time travelers.

1115
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:25,480
Speaker 2: Who had been trained from childhood. They knew two things.

1116
01:01:26,840 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 9: They knew that the adult enlisted personnel that they were

1117
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:33,280
training to time travel and hence move between timeline that

1118
01:01:33,320 --> 01:01:36,800
they were pulling from the Navy were serving very well,

1119
01:01:36,840 --> 01:01:39,639
but ultimately many of them were losing their minds because

1120
01:01:39,679 --> 01:01:44,480
of the psychologically destabilizing effect of time travel. They also

1121
01:01:44,559 --> 01:01:47,320
knew from the Space program and things like the development

1122
01:01:48,039 --> 01:01:51,840
of scuba by doctor Custeau, that when you train children

1123
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:56,159
from childhood to feel totally comfortable going to a completely

1124
01:01:56,199 --> 01:02:00,719
new environment, like when Captain Cousteau trained his Philippe and

1125
01:02:00,840 --> 01:02:04,599
Jean Michel to dive with them in the ocean, that

1126
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:10,719
children take to that environmental flux, that movement between in

1127
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,360
the case of scuba, between the terrestrial and the aquatic

1128
01:02:13,440 --> 01:02:16,719
environment like its second nature. They've done it all their

1129
01:02:16,719 --> 01:02:19,239
lives and there's nothing strange about it. So they were

1130
01:02:19,239 --> 01:02:21,719
hoping a similar effect would be worked by training us

1131
01:02:21,719 --> 01:02:27,440
from childhood. And then finally, because the adults were going crazy,

1132
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,639
they said, well, listen, let's just not use adults, let's

1133
01:02:29,719 --> 01:02:33,800
use kids. So those were the programmatic reasons why they

1134
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:36,719
involved kids, and to the extent that we needed to

1135
01:02:36,840 --> 01:02:41,599
achieve time travel to protect the United States and hence

1136
01:02:42,000 --> 01:02:45,760
the potential for a planet based on ordered liberty, to

1137
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:54,800
succeed basically as an alternative to Soviet communism or to

1138
01:02:54,920 --> 01:02:59,719
extraterrestrial tyranny. Possibly, I think they made the right to

1139
01:02:59,760 --> 01:03:02,559
city now. My father believes so as well. He used

1140
01:03:02,599 --> 01:03:04,960
the analogy when he was talking about one of his

1141
01:03:05,000 --> 01:03:07,559
peers who didn't want to even teleport, much less involved

1142
01:03:07,559 --> 01:03:10,400
his sons in the process. My dad said, look, Andrew,

1143
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:13,920
think of let's say an island civilization and there's a

1144
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:17,639
volcanic eruption, or the people on the island have to

1145
01:03:17,679 --> 01:03:21,519
move to another island to find better hunting grounds or

1146
01:03:21,599 --> 01:03:27,159
foraging grounds or agricultural lands. For millennia, human beings have

1147
01:03:27,199 --> 01:03:30,159
put their children on their shoulders and walked across rivers,

1148
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:33,159
or put them in their boats and sailed on to

1149
01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:37,519
other islands or continents, and sometimes children have the lives

1150
01:03:37,559 --> 01:03:41,199
of children have been lost in such migrations. But because

1151
01:03:41,239 --> 01:03:45,039
of such migrations, the human race has survived and produced us.

1152
01:03:45,519 --> 01:03:49,559
So it's not inherently immoral to include your children when

1153
01:03:49,599 --> 01:03:53,079
you cross a threshold like that. And quite frankly, I

1154
01:03:53,159 --> 01:03:56,559
basically am an adherent to my dad's position. I'm happy

1155
01:03:56,599 --> 01:03:59,840
he involved me. I'm proud, and I think they made

1156
01:03:59,840 --> 01:04:02,320
the right decision. I think he made the right decision

1157
01:04:03,719 --> 01:04:06,000
in that sense of involving me on that kind of

1158
01:04:06,079 --> 01:04:08,239
threshold journey. That's really what it was.

1159
01:04:09,599 --> 01:04:11,519
Speaker 5: I had, Oh, I hait wait before you asked, Mark,

1160
01:04:11,559 --> 01:04:13,320
I just want to ask because it's going by so

1161
01:04:13,400 --> 01:04:15,039
fast and I have so many questions. But I'm not

1162
01:04:15,079 --> 01:04:18,000
going to ask that and to get a chance because

1163
01:04:18,039 --> 01:04:20,800
you're a whistle blower and you're coming forth with all

1164
01:04:20,840 --> 01:04:25,119
this you know information, all this classified information. Has anyone

1165
01:04:25,159 --> 01:04:26,800
in the government ever harassed you?

1166
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,119
Speaker 2: Yeah? What happened was, let's see if I have my

1167
01:04:30,159 --> 01:04:31,039
mic on, can you hear me?

1168
01:04:31,119 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, we hear you.

1169
01:04:32,079 --> 01:04:37,400
Speaker 9: I met with a representative of the Executive Office at

1170
01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,039
the White House in June of two thousand and three

1171
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,599
in the parking lot of the Wolf Creek Past Wolf

1172
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:47,960
Creek Pass ski Lodge in southwest Colorado. Because it was

1173
01:04:48,079 --> 01:04:49,880
June and there was very little snow on the ground,

1174
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:53,199
we were the only ones there. And I was told

1175
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:58,760
during that meeting that Project Pegasis existed. It involved time

1176
01:04:58,800 --> 01:05:02,880
travel technologies. I was in it. Hence I wasn't losing

1177
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:06,480
my mind and psychiatrics fit to practice law, which was

1178
01:05:06,559 --> 01:05:07,559
my concern.

1179
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 2: And that.

1180
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:14,400
Speaker 9: However, the White House wanted me to know that if

1181
01:05:14,440 --> 01:05:17,239
I continue to investigate, write about, or talk about my

1182
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:22,320
experience to anybody, that they the Bush White House, that is,

1183
01:05:22,400 --> 01:05:28,079
George W. Bush's administration, could not quote unquote guarantee my survival,

1184
01:05:28,719 --> 01:05:31,400
which I think was a veiled threat. Now, after I

1185
01:05:31,440 --> 01:05:34,280
came forward like Gangbusters, beginning in two thousand and four,

1186
01:05:35,360 --> 01:05:41,360
I began to basically accept a set of cascading invitations

1187
01:05:41,400 --> 01:05:44,239
to lecture and to appear on radio and then on television,

1188
01:05:44,719 --> 01:05:46,559
and it only got bigger and bigger and bigger. I've

1189
01:05:46,559 --> 01:05:50,320
done about ten TV shows. Well, I've done about twenty lectures,

1190
01:05:50,320 --> 01:05:52,320
about ten TV shows, and maybe one hundred radio and

1191
01:05:52,400 --> 01:05:56,679
podcast shows, from you know, one hundred listeners to coast

1192
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:01,679
you know thirty million, from being interviewed by Alfred Weber

1193
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:05,159
on Vancouver co Op Radio to being on Conspiracy Theory

1194
01:06:05,159 --> 01:06:08,199
with Jesse Ventura. And what they did is they put

1195
01:06:08,199 --> 01:06:09,960
a bunch of kouchs in my life. They put a

1196
01:06:09,960 --> 01:06:13,199
bunch of stalker obsessed, stalker couchs.

1197
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:13,639
Speaker 2: In my life.

1198
01:06:14,159 --> 01:06:16,199
Speaker 9: So at one point my last cell phone, I don't

1199
01:06:16,199 --> 01:06:18,159
I didn't put it into this one, but about a

1200
01:06:18,239 --> 01:06:20,159
year ago on my cell phone, I literally had Kook

1201
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:23,280
one through seven listed so that when they called to

1202
01:06:23,320 --> 01:06:25,920
harass me, I could put I could take the call

1203
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:27,639
and then put the phone down just to hang them

1204
01:06:27,639 --> 01:06:32,199
out in cyberspace. So yes, that was the technique they used.

1205
01:06:32,199 --> 01:06:35,039
I think because that's very complicated. I think because I

1206
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:37,559
may be a future president, I'm at least the person

1207
01:06:37,559 --> 01:06:41,320
who's the historical bridge between what Project Tegas has achieved

1208
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:44,760
in the early seventies and public adoption of teleportation. And

1209
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,920
then third, they were just concerned about harming me because

1210
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,719
I'm basically a national security asset because I have the

1211
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,239
whole history of this program, and a lot of these

1212
01:06:53,280 --> 01:06:57,239
things were so compartmentalized that the government itself wasn't even

1213
01:06:57,280 --> 01:06:59,960
sure what different branches of the government had done or achieved,

1214
01:07:01,039 --> 01:07:05,599
so they didn't. I mean, I haven't had drive by shootings,

1215
01:07:06,000 --> 01:07:09,840
but I followed. I was investigated by different people at

1216
01:07:10,119 --> 01:07:13,039
even during this recent series of lectures I just did.

1217
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:17,280
At Joan Ocean's residence at Kona, Hawaii, we had a

1218
01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:20,920
stalker come to the house claiming she represented buzz Aldrin,

1219
01:07:21,519 --> 01:07:23,960
and then when she was leaving, she knew exactly how

1220
01:07:24,039 --> 01:07:26,199
how many tickets Joan had sold, how much she had

1221
01:07:26,199 --> 01:07:26,880
sold them for.

1222
01:07:28,679 --> 01:07:28,920
Speaker 4: Now.

1223
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 1: Now you were also involved, and we don't have much time,

1224
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:33,760
so we're going to have to touch on this in

1225
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:37,480
the broadest of sense. When you were in college, you

1226
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:41,800
got called back into the program for a jump room

1227
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:46,360
program to Mars. Could you talk tell us briefly about

1228
01:07:46,360 --> 01:07:48,480
that as much as you can. I know we only

1229
01:07:48,480 --> 01:07:51,079
have about fifteen minutes left here, but we'll do what

1230
01:07:51,119 --> 01:07:51,400
we can.

1231
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1232
01:07:52,360 --> 01:07:54,320
Speaker 9: Well, I left Project Pegasus at the end of summer

1233
01:07:54,320 --> 01:07:57,360
of nineteen seventy two. We moved to California November seventy two,

1234
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:03,360
and I had a relatively ordinary junior high, high school,

1235
01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,119
and first year of college, except sometime during that period

1236
01:08:08,199 --> 01:08:10,440
leading up to nineteen eighty the government had detected that

1237
01:08:10,480 --> 01:08:13,440
I was time slipping, so I had to jump from

1238
01:08:13,559 --> 01:08:16,000
Van Eyes to Los Alamos and back try to shave

1239
01:08:16,039 --> 01:08:18,800
off two extra minutes that I had picked up when

1240
01:08:18,800 --> 01:08:20,960
my dad failed to get me through the teleporter at

1241
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:24,039
San Dia by nine pm one night. But I had

1242
01:08:24,079 --> 01:08:28,000
a relatively ordinarily conflicted, you know, junior high and high

1243
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:31,600
school period with all the challenges of adolescents, and then

1244
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:35,880
I went off to U see San Diego. I did

1245
01:08:35,880 --> 01:08:38,399
some Montauk chair stuff there, and by nineteen seventy nine

1246
01:08:38,479 --> 01:08:43,319
eighty they were able to externalize your your mind's eye

1247
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:46,119
into actually a video monitor of what you were thinking.

1248
01:08:46,840 --> 01:08:48,800
But then in the summer of eighty when I returned

1249
01:08:48,800 --> 01:08:52,159
to some you know, our house in Chatsworth, California, my

1250
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:54,520
dad explained that he was going to go on a

1251
01:08:54,520 --> 01:08:58,600
camping trip with me to Lake Shasta. And when we

1252
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:02,479
went up to the campground at Lake he didn't we

1253
01:09:02,560 --> 01:09:03,520
didn't start.

1254
01:09:03,319 --> 01:09:04,840
Speaker 2: Fishing or water skiing or whatever.

1255
01:09:05,479 --> 01:09:07,960
Speaker 9: He dropped me into an educational program at College of

1256
01:09:08,000 --> 01:09:13,079
the Siskis in Wee, California, and there I was trained

1257
01:09:13,119 --> 01:09:17,359
for the CIA's Mars Jumper program, for which I am

1258
01:09:17,399 --> 01:09:19,359
not the only claimant. I mean, we've got the accounts

1259
01:09:19,399 --> 01:09:22,920
of Michael Rell, Arthur Neuman, who was the Henry Deacon

1260
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:26,560
informant the project Camelot, as well as my co trainees

1261
01:09:26,560 --> 01:09:30,800
and co jumpers, William Stillings and Bernard Mendez, who was

1262
01:09:30,800 --> 01:09:37,520
the Army the General Chiefs Staff investigator of the project.

1263
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:42,239
There were some very illustrious Americans in addition who were

1264
01:09:42,279 --> 01:09:45,319
trained with us and jumped with us. They include President Obama,

1265
01:09:46,319 --> 01:09:49,279
Reguina Dugan, who he appointed the first female director of

1266
01:09:49,359 --> 01:09:52,720
DARPA on July twentieth of two thousand and nine, literally

1267
01:09:52,800 --> 01:09:57,520
the fortieth anniversary of the lunar landing. Regina or alternatively

1268
01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,640
Regina was one of my fellow t and jumpers as

1269
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:03,439
well as one of our peers would go on to

1270
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,800
join the Astronaut Corps, which was William Cameron McCool who

1271
01:10:08,079 --> 01:10:12,920
became a pilot for the Space Shuttle program. So we've

1272
01:10:12,960 --> 01:10:18,399
identified now seventeen Americans and the three of us with

1273
01:10:18,520 --> 01:10:24,279
two other individuals affirming their involvement, the Chago, Stillings and Mendez.

1274
01:10:24,319 --> 01:10:25,840
Speaker 2: The three of us who were.

1275
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:30,119
Speaker 9: Trained together and have corroborated each other's training and being

1276
01:10:30,199 --> 01:10:33,560
operationally deployed via jump room on the surface of Mars

1277
01:10:34,119 --> 01:10:38,640
together have identified seventeen Americans who were involved in the

1278
01:10:38,720 --> 01:10:41,680
jump in the program. So that story's not going away either.

1279
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:46,079
Speaker 1: And you said that Barack Obama at the time when

1280
01:10:46,119 --> 01:10:49,640
he was that agent college was also involved in this program.

1281
01:10:50,279 --> 01:10:52,560
Speaker 9: Yes, well, he was using the name Barry Satorro and

1282
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:57,720
attending Occidental College in Eagle Rock, California. Barry was trained

1283
01:10:57,760 --> 01:10:59,720
with us. I mean he was sitting one seat up

1284
01:10:59,760 --> 01:11:01,960
to the right from me, right in front of Brett Stilling.

1285
01:11:02,880 --> 01:11:06,880
Speaker 5: Oh wow, does he acknowledge his involvement.

1286
01:11:05,960 --> 01:11:06,359
Speaker 4: In all of this?

1287
01:11:07,119 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 9: He hasn't publicly. His administration has twice debunked the whole

1288
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:15,319
notion of Mars. In fact, when William Stillings and I

1289
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,239
narrated our experiences on coast to coast dam with George

1290
01:11:18,279 --> 01:11:22,720
Norri in November of twenty eleventh, in early January of

1291
01:11:22,880 --> 01:11:27,720
twenty twelve, the President Obama and the National Security Council

1292
01:11:28,479 --> 01:11:32,920
had their spokesperson for the NSC, Tommy Vitour, leak a

1293
01:11:33,039 --> 01:11:37,239
story to Wired dot Com on the Internet, ridiculing our

1294
01:11:37,279 --> 01:11:39,920
claims and saying, well, that's what a secret crodenaut wants

1295
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,520
you to know that President Obama was jumping to Mars.

1296
01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:45,960
My response was, when was the last time, or the

1297
01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:49,800
first time for that matter, that a president, in concert

1298
01:11:49,840 --> 01:11:53,720
with his National Security Council, which includes only the President,

1299
01:11:53,720 --> 01:11:56,680
the Vice president, the Secretaries of State and Defense, and

1300
01:11:56,760 --> 01:11:59,520
the National Security Advisor and his or her assistant the

1301
01:12:00,279 --> 01:12:06,000
person When did those seven important US officials ever see fits?

1302
01:12:06,199 --> 01:12:07,279
Speaker 2: When were they ever in.

1303
01:12:07,239 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 9: The past motivated to knock down a story that readily

1304
01:12:11,479 --> 01:12:13,760
could have been dismissed as either an urban legend or

1305
01:12:13,800 --> 01:12:16,319
a conspiracy theory, but in fact they went to the

1306
01:12:16,359 --> 01:12:19,960
extraordinary step of mocking it in a cut on the

1307
01:12:19,960 --> 01:12:24,359
pages of a cutting edge journal online Wired dot com.

1308
01:12:25,199 --> 01:12:28,319
But what we learned when Bernard Mendez, through an intermediary,

1309
01:12:28,359 --> 01:12:31,960
consulted with President Obama is that he remembered his involvement

1310
01:12:32,000 --> 01:12:35,199
in the program. I was very flattered when through this

1311
01:12:35,279 --> 01:12:38,119
intermediate the President informed us he remembered me, you know,

1312
01:12:38,640 --> 01:12:40,960
like it was yesterday. In fact, at one time we

1313
01:12:41,000 --> 01:12:45,159
had roomed together on the project were being trained. But

1314
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:48,840
that his memory seemed very dream like, which we agreed

1315
01:12:48,920 --> 01:12:52,399
we had been brainwashed so successfully that recovering our memories

1316
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:56,279
was caused them to be very sort of dreamlike and episodic.

1317
01:12:57,119 --> 01:12:59,079
And that when he left the White House, he realized

1318
01:12:59,079 --> 01:13:01,640
he would have no choice but to admit his involvement.

1319
01:13:02,840 --> 01:13:05,880
With that many people identified, I'm sure that other, you know,

1320
01:13:05,920 --> 01:13:07,760
a sixth to seventh and eighth whistle blower are going

1321
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:09,439
to come forward. And let me say, in addition to

1322
01:13:09,479 --> 01:13:13,800
those five jumpers, the great granddaughter of an American president,

1323
01:13:13,840 --> 01:13:17,279
Laura Eisenhower, came forward in two thousand and nine and

1324
01:13:17,359 --> 01:13:20,039
stated that in two thousand and six, and seven, she

1325
01:13:20,319 --> 01:13:25,000
and her twin boys, Gavin and Garrick Eisenhower, then aged ten,

1326
01:13:25,600 --> 01:13:29,119
had been invited to join the US Colony on Mars.

1327
01:13:29,640 --> 01:13:34,039
So we have six utterly sane people who didn't know

1328
01:13:34,119 --> 01:13:37,720
each other before I brought them together, who have narrated

1329
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:41,079
their Mars Jump from experiences. And we have eleven other

1330
01:13:41,119 --> 01:13:43,279
people living in dead who we can describe how they

1331
01:13:43,279 --> 01:13:45,840
were connected to the program. So I don't think that

1332
01:13:45,880 --> 01:13:48,800
Barack Obama is going to have any choice by twenty seventeen,

1333
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,680
but to admit his involvement. Of course, he probably can't

1334
01:13:52,680 --> 01:13:55,680
now because he's the commander in chief, so it could

1335
01:13:55,680 --> 01:13:57,880
potentially be an impeachable offense. I would think if he

1336
01:13:58,000 --> 01:14:01,199
violated his oath of office revealed the history of a

1337
01:14:01,199 --> 01:14:04,680
secret defense project. But that's indeed his past. I think

1338
01:14:04,680 --> 01:14:08,920
it's the past for which the Birther controversy was propagated

1339
01:14:09,199 --> 01:14:10,199
to conceal.

1340
01:14:11,399 --> 01:14:15,760
Speaker 1: So many questions regarding that whole time. I'm going to

1341
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,800
ask one from Frank Santa Rica in the chat room.

1342
01:14:19,239 --> 01:14:22,760
He was wanting to ask you if you witnessed life

1343
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:25,560
on Mars, and what did you see?

1344
01:14:26,760 --> 01:14:29,560
Speaker 2: I witnessed life on Mars. A lot ed Dames.

1345
01:14:29,600 --> 01:14:34,039
Speaker 9: Our instructor had shown us very beautiful color illustrations of

1346
01:14:34,399 --> 01:14:38,880
thirty major land animals on the surface, about five of

1347
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:42,359
six or six of which were predators relative to us,

1348
01:14:42,720 --> 01:14:45,479
and one or two which were about two which were

1349
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:48,520
inevitably lethal if they were anywhere near us, they were

1350
01:14:48,520 --> 01:14:52,399
so vicious and so swift on the surface. I clearly

1351
01:14:52,439 --> 01:14:58,960
saw a lesser number of those species. I saw, In fact,

1352
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:02,600
on my second jump, was chased by one of the

1353
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:06,239
what I'm calling the plesiosaurs on Mars. They basically are

1354
01:15:06,359 --> 01:15:12,399
very much like the lake monsters NeSSI Champ and Ogo

1355
01:15:12,520 --> 01:15:16,720
Cogo that have been identified in Lochness, Lake Champlain and

1356
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:22,000
Lake Okanagan. They're basically a reptile species that was aquatic

1357
01:15:22,039 --> 01:15:26,720
on Earth but which went extinct during the KT extinction

1358
01:15:26,840 --> 01:15:30,439
on Earth, but on Mars they're adapted to a terrestrial existence,

1359
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,520
and they're virtually identical. They basically have a large body

1360
01:15:34,640 --> 01:15:38,079
like a tortoise, four legs, a little piggy tail like

1361
01:15:38,119 --> 01:15:43,000
a turtle, along like a snake or a dinosaur, and

1362
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:47,800
then a horse, a head like a horse with teeth

1363
01:15:47,840 --> 01:15:50,920
all the way down their throat. So I saw some

1364
01:15:50,960 --> 01:15:52,760
of those, and I was chased by one of them

1365
01:15:52,840 --> 01:15:56,399
during my second jump out of about forty jumps to Mars,

1366
01:15:57,119 --> 01:15:59,479
that jump taking place in August of nineteen eighty one,

1367
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:03,920
I also saw one of the larger predators. It was

1368
01:16:03,960 --> 01:16:07,359
more like about a sixteen foot tall t rex type

1369
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:13,800
dinosaur like creature twice devour two of my colleagues. So

1370
01:16:13,840 --> 01:16:18,199
I saw that inevitable form of dinosaur or predator. And

1371
01:16:18,239 --> 01:16:21,079
in the third sighting of that animal, I saw it

1372
01:16:21,159 --> 01:16:24,880
running about seventy miles per hour across about a quarter

1373
01:16:24,880 --> 01:16:29,399
of a mile and basically bite in half this water

1374
01:16:29,479 --> 01:16:33,520
buffalo like unngulate. Walking across the surface, I saw snakes,

1375
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:37,560
animals that looked like rabbits, animals that look like corny toads,

1376
01:16:38,800 --> 01:16:41,399
just a variety of animals that exist on Earth or

1377
01:16:41,439 --> 01:16:44,720
once existed on Earth, or hybrids. And in fact, on

1378
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:47,680
that second trip with Courtney Hunt in August of eighty one,

1379
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:50,520
when we walked to a small stone cottage on the

1380
01:16:50,560 --> 01:16:54,880
surface where one of the settlers from our civilization was living,

1381
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:59,560
there was a hybrid that was staked out with a

1382
01:16:59,640 --> 01:17:02,960
chain around his neck. He was staked to a metal

1383
01:17:03,159 --> 01:17:07,920
steak in the ground near this rudimentary stone cottage, and

1384
01:17:07,960 --> 01:17:10,800
he possessed the muscular head and shoulders, you know, the

1385
01:17:10,840 --> 01:17:15,479
head and muscular shoulders of an adult white male human,

1386
01:17:15,600 --> 01:17:19,479
but the lower extremities of like a grub, like the

1387
01:17:19,560 --> 01:17:24,119
larval stage of an iraqanid. And as we approached the cottage,

1388
01:17:24,159 --> 01:17:28,199
he came bounding across the ground around the house, kind

1389
01:17:28,239 --> 01:17:32,479
of snarling and barking at us simultaneously. I also saw

1390
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:35,520
several of the different typologies of humanoids on the surface,

1391
01:17:35,520 --> 01:17:38,399
so I saw, you know, in other words, the bipedal

1392
01:17:38,840 --> 01:17:41,640
prominence like us. So I saw a variety of life forms.

1393
01:17:41,680 --> 01:17:45,159
But in fact, I've discovered more in NASA's own images

1394
01:17:45,199 --> 01:17:48,159
since two thousand and eight, when I've been scrutinizing their

1395
01:17:48,239 --> 01:17:52,000
data from Mars and finding both animals or humanoids that

1396
01:17:52,000 --> 01:17:54,800
that I encountered on the surface and the new creatures

1397
01:17:54,800 --> 01:17:56,720
that I never had the opportunity to encounter on the.

1398
01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:59,800
Speaker 1: Surface when they transported you to the surface of Mars,

1399
01:17:59,800 --> 01:18:02,239
to they at least have the courtesy to send along

1400
01:18:02,279 --> 01:18:07,800
with you a big ass gun. I mean to see,

1401
01:18:07,840 --> 01:18:10,640
if big t rex like things suddenly you pop in

1402
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:12,920
and come running right at you, it's like, you know

1403
01:18:13,000 --> 01:18:14,720
what he may get me, but I want to try

1404
01:18:14,760 --> 01:18:16,239
to do my best to get him first.

1405
01:18:16,920 --> 01:18:19,560
Speaker 9: Well, they didn't give us a two fisted automatic weapon,

1406
01:18:19,600 --> 01:18:22,439
I think because they didn't want us from a distance

1407
01:18:22,479 --> 01:18:27,319
to be seen as as military being being sent to

1408
01:18:27,359 --> 01:18:31,239
the surface, because one of the goals was to acclimate

1409
01:18:31,279 --> 01:18:36,039
the Martian humanoids and animals to our presence physically on

1410
01:18:36,119 --> 01:18:41,079
their planet. Some of us, however, were outfitted or provided

1411
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:46,319
flash guns that we could use to heat something to

1412
01:18:46,359 --> 01:18:49,039
stun a small animal or to kill it. We were

1413
01:18:49,039 --> 01:18:53,039
told it wouldn't work against the big you know, incinerating

1414
01:18:53,119 --> 01:18:56,399
up a dark spot against the side of one of

1415
01:18:56,399 --> 01:18:59,960
these sixteen foot dinosaur creatures would only make him mad,

1416
01:19:00,760 --> 01:19:02,840
and they told us therefore not to use it against

1417
01:19:02,880 --> 01:19:06,840
that type of that type of creature because it would

1418
01:19:07,000 --> 01:19:10,000
maybe spend a lot of time eating us to death,

1419
01:19:10,239 --> 01:19:12,560
like a couple hours picking us apart.

1420
01:19:13,560 --> 01:19:15,119
Speaker 2: But with the.

1421
01:19:15,119 --> 01:19:17,800
Speaker 9: Lesser predators, the ones that we could outrun and clearly

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other creatures, we could choose to fire that photo flash gun,

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which was kind of like an incinerator at life forms

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on the surface. But we also got ethical counsel line

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that if we didn't want to initiate hostile activity on

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the surface of another planet, namely Mars, we could choose

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01:19:37,279 --> 01:19:40,920
not to use our weapon and sacrifice ourselves. So I

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was given both this flash gun that I tucked into

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my belt. It was kept in a locker at the

1430
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El Segundo, California jump site. I would always retrieve it

1431
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:54,680
before jumping. It basically incinerated something at a distance with

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sort of a beam. But I also had a suicide pill.

1433
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I had a capsule of cyanide in a plastic packaging

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01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,840
that I always kept in my pocket. But I could

1435
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tear open the plastic and gobble down in the event,

1436
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:12,760
let's say I was trapped by one of the inevitably

1437
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:16,039
lethal forms of predators. So there was an ethical dimension

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01:20:16,079 --> 01:20:19,319
where we were free not to save our own lives

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at the risk of fomenting war on another planet.

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Speaker 4: Wow, well, Andrew.

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01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:27,920
Speaker 1: Unfortunately, Oh my god, the time has flown so quickly

1442
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and we have come to an end of the show.

1443
01:20:30,960 --> 01:20:34,439
So where can people go to learn more about you

1444
01:20:34,640 --> 01:20:37,359
and your story? Do you have a website or some

1445
01:20:37,840 --> 01:20:39,239
Facebook that they could visit?

1446
01:20:40,000 --> 01:20:44,880
Speaker 9: Yeah, I've been building two websites at Projectpegasus dot net

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01:20:45,439 --> 01:20:47,920
about my time travel experiences, and then at Project Mars

1448
01:20:48,039 --> 01:20:50,680
dot net, which is the which is the website of

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01:20:50,680 --> 01:20:53,439
the Mars Anomaly Research Society that I founded in two

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01:20:53,479 --> 01:20:56,880
thousand and nine. Since then, I got a couple of

1451
01:20:56,920 --> 01:20:59,640
years ago, I got more involved in Facebook. Those websites

1452
01:20:59,640 --> 01:21:02,000
have kind of language, at least temporarily. I'm going to

1453
01:21:02,000 --> 01:21:04,119
be putting some new material on them this year, certainly.

1454
01:21:04,720 --> 01:21:08,239
But the main activity regarding my time travel experiences and

1455
01:21:08,279 --> 01:21:11,560
my Mars findings and those of the membership that are

1456
01:21:11,640 --> 01:21:17,039
leading analysts at Mars are at Project Pegasus on Facebook

1457
01:21:17,119 --> 01:21:20,800
and at Mars Anomaly Research Society on Facebook. I think

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01:21:21,000 --> 01:21:23,720
all of all of those, you know, as indicated by

1459
01:21:23,720 --> 01:21:25,840
the fact that we now have over ten thousand members

1460
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:32,279
actively contributing, the Project Pegasus on Facebook has really been exploding.

1461
01:21:32,319 --> 01:21:34,199
I think it may be the leading time travel slight

1462
01:21:34,279 --> 01:21:36,840
on the Internet at this point. You know, I get

1463
01:21:36,880 --> 01:21:41,159
ten twenty membership requests a day now practically, and so

1464
01:21:41,319 --> 01:21:44,000
that's really where I'm answering the questions that are coming

1465
01:21:44,000 --> 01:21:46,479
in about time travel. But I think, as you gather,

1466
01:21:46,560 --> 01:21:50,000
my account is a truthful one. This was an actual

1467
01:21:50,159 --> 01:21:54,800
US government project. I am a whistleblower. I was worn

1468
01:21:55,119 --> 01:21:58,000
by the US government. I would dare say threatened not

1469
01:21:58,079 --> 01:22:02,399
to go forward. I chose as a strategy speaking out

1470
01:22:02,439 --> 01:22:05,159
publicly as much as possible, and at this point I

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don't think they can touch me. So I am a

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01:22:08,119 --> 01:22:10,880
candidate for president in twenty sixteen, I will be calling

1473
01:22:11,199 --> 01:22:16,439
for the declassification and deployment of Tesla teleportation so we

1474
01:22:16,439 --> 01:22:20,399
can use it for long distance and then more intermodal

1475
01:22:20,760 --> 01:22:25,640
or interurban transit during the twenty first century here, and

1476
01:22:25,680 --> 01:22:27,800
I think that that also may be a reason why

1477
01:22:27,800 --> 01:22:31,159
the government is not retaliating, because you imagine a world

1478
01:22:31,159 --> 01:22:34,640
where you could jump through a teleport at Grand Central

1479
01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:37,800
Teleport in New York City and arrive a couple seconds

1480
01:22:37,880 --> 01:22:41,039
later in Union Teleport in Los Angeles. I mean, that's

1481
01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:43,640
the world that we're going to be living in when

1482
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:46,199
Tesla teleportation is introduced, and so that's going to be

1483
01:22:46,239 --> 01:22:49,239
one of the major themes of my presidential campaign in

1484
01:22:49,239 --> 01:22:49,960
twenty sixteen.

1485
01:22:50,119 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, why do I get the impression they're still going

1486
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:53,039
to lose our bags?

1487
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:54,039
Speaker 4: Andy?

1488
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:57,520
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming on tonight. This has

1489
01:22:57,520 --> 01:23:00,640
been a fascinating discussion, and I know we've brely scratch

1490
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:03,399
the surface in a lot of ways. So maybe sometime

1491
01:23:03,399 --> 01:23:05,000
here in the near future we can have you back on.

1492
01:23:05,119 --> 01:23:07,439
We can talk about some things in more detail. But

1493
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:08,840
thanks again for coming on.

1494
01:23:08,920 --> 01:23:10,239
Speaker 4: We really appreciate it.

1495
01:23:10,479 --> 01:23:11,960
Speaker 2: Thank you Mark, and.

1496
01:23:11,840 --> 01:23:16,000
Speaker 1: Thank you everybody for Thank you everyone for listening to

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01:23:16,039 --> 01:23:19,960
another edition of Unknown Origins Radio. Tune in every Monday

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01:23:20,039 --> 01:23:24,439
night here at nine pm Eastern Standard Time on KGRA,

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01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,560
the Global Radio Lines, and we sign off with our

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motivational quote of the week. Buying a smart car seems

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like a great idea until you hit a.

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01:23:33,199 --> 01:23:37,279
Speaker 4: Squirrel and flip over a few times. Have a great night, everybody.

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Speaker 3: Mark, my goodness, great show you guys.

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01:23:43,359 --> 01:23:43,640
Speaker 1: Oh