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your support. All Right, so we have the no Kings

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protesting that occurred mostly peaceful. I mean, yes, there had

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to be some pepper spray deployed, and yes there were

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some violent outbreaks, but it was mostly peaceful. You know,

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think about all of the piece that wasn't violent, right,

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just always got to look at the silver lining on

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this stuff. So yeah, we had, you know, some some

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violence in Seattle, had a shooter in Utah. Los Angeles

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also so violent Charlotte. They got pepper sprayed in Charlotte too.

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So you got the no Kings thing going on, you know,

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with all of the imagery like the pinnatas. I think

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that's how you say that pinata of Donald Trump and

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you know, having kids with bats just go to town

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beaten the pinata. Yeah, that's totally healthy behavior to be

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instilling in your child, right to be attacking effigies and such.

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Oh that we also had here. This was Eric Swallwell.

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He apparently spoke at one of these things.

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Speaker 2: Donald Trump is America's hitler.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it sounds well attended. Yeah, is America's hitler.

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That's yeah, Donald Trump is America's hitler. Yeah. So this

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is the the cool rhetoric, right, not at all hot,

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not fiery. No such thing as stochastic terrorism, except, of course,

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when a deranged man murders two people and attempts to

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murder two others up in Minnesota. This maniac. I don't

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even like giving these people's names, so I'm not going

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to call him Maya his name. I'm just going to

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call him the maniac. This guy, he's making a court

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appearance I think today at some point. He shot two

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Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses in what CBS News says

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is politically motivated shootings. Early Saturday morning. He was finally caught.

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There was this man hunt over the weekend. They caught him.

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The fifty seven year old maniac was taken into custody

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after being located in the woods near his home in

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green Isle, Sibley County, on Sunday night, shortly before ten pm,

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the Ramsey County Sheriff's office posted a picture on social

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media of him being taken into custody, and the Sheriff's

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office said, quote the face of evil. So he targeted

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Minnesota Representative Melissa Hortman, a Democrat, and her husband Mark,

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who was a Raleigh native, went to NC State for

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a couple of years and then graduated from UNC. They

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were shot and killed in their Brooklyn Park home. And

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then there was State Senator John Hoffman, also a Democrat,

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and his wife Yvette. They were then shot in their

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home in Champlain. Actually, I think I have that reverse.

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I think they were attacked first. Tim Walls told a governor.

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Tim Walls told a news conference Sunday night that John

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Hoffman is out of the final surgery, is moving towards recovery,

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as is Ivette Hoffman. So they both survived, which is

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pretty amazing, because I think I have it here. She

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told a friend of hers, who then posted it on

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social media, that she had been hit like seven times.

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Seven rounds hit her and her husband was hit eight

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times and they both survived, according to the criminal complaint.

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This is according to the Star Tribune. The first nine

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one one call was made by one of the children

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of John and Ivette Hoffman after they were shot multiple times.

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Champlain police responded to the Hoffman residence at two h

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five am after receiving the nine to one one call,

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so they were the first targets. Surveillance footage from the

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home showed a dark Ford SUV with police lights in

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the driveway. It showed the maniac approached the door in

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a mask, wearing a blue shirt, police vest and badge.

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He was holding a gun as he approached the door.

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the suv. After Brooklyn Park Police learned the shooting victim

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in Champlain the Hoffman's and he was a state legislator,

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officers then proactively went to the Hortman residence. They arrived

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there at three point thirty five a m. And they

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see the Ford Suv in the driveway. An officer watches

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as the maniac shot Mark Hortman through the front door.

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After an exchange of gunfire, the maniac retreats through the

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house and somehow escapes. Officers find Melissa and Mark Hortman,

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both dead inside the home. When police searched the maniac's vehicle,

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they found three AK forty seven rifles, a nine milimeter handgun,

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and a list of aims and addresses of public officials.

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Further searches in the area located a ballistic vest, a

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disassembled nine millimeter firearm. I don't know why you would

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disassemble that, Like, he's obviously running and he's like ditching

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the vest. He's like trying to change his appearance. He

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I don't know why you disassemble the firearm. Maybe so

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nobody else will use it for bad purposes or something.

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I don't want a kid to find it. I don't know.

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They found the mask and the gold police badge. Four

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of the firearms recovered by police were purchased by the shooter.

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A person who was familiar with the maniac also spoke

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with investigators and positively identified him as the man on

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the surveillance footage from the Hoffman's home in Champlain. US

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Senator Yeah US Senator Amy Klobaschar shared a message early

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Sunday evening from Ivette Hoffman that disclosed that John Hoffman

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took nine bullet hits. I took eight. There is never

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a place for this kind of political hate. Thank you

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for your friendship. Always, Minnesota's are at their very best

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when we stand together. They do not have the death

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penalty in Minnesota. But for this guy, yeah, I think

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for this guy, you could make an exception. Maybe charge

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him under some federal law, you know, maybe go after

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him at the federal level. The BCA superintendent, I forget

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what that what that title is. It's someplace here and

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to do bc A. Well, he's the BCA superintendent. His

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name is Drew Evans, and I think they do like

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the searches and stuff up in Minnesota. Here it is

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Minnesota Bureau of Criminal Apprehension. Okay, so he's in charge

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of the BCA, Drew Evans. He was asked at a

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news conference of authorities believe the shooter was getting any

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kind of of assistance, and he said the suspect had

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been in contact with other people, but could not say

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if they were actively providing him assistance. Asked why the

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BCA detained the shooter's wife and other relatives outside a

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convenience store, Evan said they did so to one to

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try to understand what's going on that will help us

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complete the investigation. The shooter's wife and relatives cooperated with

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authorities in providing information, and they were released from custody,

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so it does not appear that he had anybody helping him,

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you know, stay on the run over the week. So

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this happens on Saturday, early Saturday morning, so I'm seeing

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you know, the news reports and you know, the coverage

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throughout Saturday, and then you know Sunday as well. They

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caught him Sunday night last night, so the whole weekend,

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you know, once again, public service announcement in the wake

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of any kind of this, any kind of a shooting

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like this, just wait for more information to develop, okay,

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because people raced to their social media accounts to try to,

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you know, pin this on a political party or you know,

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Donald Trump, or no, he's a he's a Trump hater, no,

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he's a Trump lover, whatever, and and you don't you

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don't know the answers to these questions in the immediate

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aftermath of this event. All right, if you're listening to

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the cycle of stochastic terrorism the news cycle. You're going

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to start hearing stochastic terrorism again. That's my prediction because

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of the maniac up in Minnesota that assassinated the former

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Speaker of the House in the state legislature and her

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husband and then also try to murder another sitting state lawmaker,

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both Democrats, and so now the left, can you use

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this to say that the language of Republicans and Donald

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Trump specifically, that has inspired this murderer to do this

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murder and therefore everybody needs to stop talking about whatever

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it is that you're talking about. You're responsible, they're not responsible. Like,

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for example, when you say Donald Trump is America's Hitler,

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like Eric Swalwell did at that No King's Rally, When

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you do that, that's that's not stochastic terrorism. Calling somebody hitler,

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that's not You're not inspiring people to be afraid, right,

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I mean you're saying somebody is hitler, and we all

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know how that worked out. So I think it's pretty

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clear what they are doing. I think it's pretty clear

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the anger and animus that they are fomenting. And if

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the state lawmakers in Minnesota, then for consistency sake, you

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have to then also attribute all of the violence on

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the left, and We've been documenting it for years. I've

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been pointing this out that the left has this violence fetish.

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You guys, aren't You aren't addressing it, And into the

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space enters Thomas Mills. Thomas Mills was a Democrat consultant guy.

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I've interviewed him. Heck, I have it. I had him

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fill in one time for me on my radio show

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in Ashville. It did not go well for him, but

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he you know, he did it. The callers just dragged

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him for three straight hours. But he has been the

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purveyor of a website called Politics and c and he

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makes the argument today that well, the headline says, both

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sides are not the same. All the violence is it's

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all on the right, and you guys are the big problem,

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and we don't have this problem on the left. That's

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what he's making this argument. And on the rare occasions

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when it happens, we condemn it. We automatically come right

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down and condemn it. Right, I've not seen anybody celebrating

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these murders. I've seen nothing like that from the right.

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I saw rushing in to say this guy was a

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Governor Wall's appointment, so he's probably a Democrat, and that

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was not true. He was an appointment, but it didn't

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mean anything. People try to make sense of these irrational

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evil acts and they project into these stories their own biases,

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and Thomas is doing that here. I'll give you some

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of the highlights. But there's also another story, and it

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came out of Wake County one of their marches, the

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No Kings thing. There's a state representative named Julie von Haathen,

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Democrat from Wait County, and she made a video of

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the various signs that were at the march, and one

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of the signs that she highlighted, a woman is holding

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this banner and it says, in these difficult times, more

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cuts may be necessary. And then there's a guillotine and

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detached off the sides of the banner are heads, one

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Donald Trump and one not really sure. I think it

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may be Stephen Miller. It could also be Elon Musk.

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Not sure because there's a and there's a swastika drawn

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on the forehead of the other head. And this is

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what the Way Democrat thought was hilarious, took a picture

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of and posted it. Outrage ensued, she deleted her accounts.

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I think John actually has some thoughts on this, Hey, John,

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Speaker 2: I was actually looking at that and some other miserable,

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well not really miserable humorous failures from some of the

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Democrats this weekend, thek Royan Cabari's Young Democrats tried to

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drag someone because they got a thousand people out of

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almost eighty thousand registered Democrats and post three hundred thousand

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people in Rowan and Caberras, they got a thousand still

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up for their rally here. And then the millennial head

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of the Democrat Party decides she was gonna wear a

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black tennis for the protest.

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Speaker 3: What okay?

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Speaker 2: So no, but yeah, and then Julie decides to show

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Speaker 4: By uh.

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Speaker 2: Coming out, a coming out and the revolution for her

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idea of changing politics.

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Speaker 1: Right in these difficult times, more cuts may be necessary.

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start murdering people's that's the banner, That's what she was

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and make memories that'll last a lifetime. I find it

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insufferable to be lectured by people that find every excuse

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for political violence for their team committed by their team.

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They will excuse it, they will accept it, they will

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defend it, they'll offer the I'm not censorshipman, done, but

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and then they proceed to explain why it's kind of okay.

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It's just that, you know, Trump had it coming. Trump

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led to his own assassination attempt like it's his fault.

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And now because of the Minnesota shooting, we're being subjected

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to these lectures by these excuse making people, and it's

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just it's unbearable. I'm just so fed up with it.

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It all needs to be condemned, all of it. And

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you don't get to, you know, bash the pinatas of

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Donald Trump and show the posters of guillotines while saying,

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how dare you chant hang Mike Pence? Right, that's an

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inconsistent standard. I said from the very beginning on January Well,

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I guess it would have been this seventh January seventh,

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the day after the riots, completely unacceptable. And I still

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don't know, and nobody does what that mob at the

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Capitol might have done if they actually had gotten Mike Pence.

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I don't know what they would have done. That's the

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thing about mobs, it's the thing about riots. Right, So

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I can be consistent on this. You shouldn't be doing

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any of that. You don't do that. Let me go

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over here and chat with Ray. Hello, Ray, Welcome to

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the show.

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Speaker 4: Hey, Hey, hey, I wanted to help the left and

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the Democrats out. They can pretty much more effectively ensure

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their political survival if they'll just adopt a new protest

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attitude and instead of having a no King's protest, have

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a no breaking the law protest.

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Speaker 1: Hmmm. That would that would well, I don't know if

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they broke many laws Saturday. Some some did. But you're

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you're ignoring all of the peaceful protesters, right, just because

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a couple of hundred here there around the country, you know,

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got into you know, some violence.

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Speaker 3: It was fire.

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Speaker 4: The peaceful protest did slip my mind?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, boy, yeah, yeah, that's all right, It's okay. It's

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a no. I appreciate its something that's a good piece

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of advice. Just don't break any laws protesting. That's a

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good idea. This is I mentioned Thomas Mills. And by

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the way, let me just do a refresh real fast

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on this w R a L website. And no, they

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still haven't covered the the Julie von Hafen story. This

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is WRAL. They still haven't gave They still haven't done

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a single report on Representative Julie von Haythen who published

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this video. She made a video she took pictures at

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the No King's protest in Raleigh and then stitched them together,

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edited the pictures together into a video, and then she

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put it up on her Instagram page. And one of

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the pictures shows this protester holding this banner, big picture

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of a guillotine. What appears to be like some I

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think there may I think those are like dead bodies

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at the bottom of the guillotine. I can't really make

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it out. It's pretty small and it says in these

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difficult times, more cuts may be necessary. And then the

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banner is being like she's got a long bar that

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the banner is wrapped around and she's either end of

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the bar. Are these two like life size heads, one

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Donald Trump and one either Elon Musk or Stephen Miller

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I don't know. And the the Musk or Miller head

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has a Nazi swastika drawn on its forehead and she

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posts it up outrage incies, she deletes it, she deletes

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her account on Twitter and h and she has apologized.

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So this is now Thomas Mills at politics NC dot

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com saying that the shooter up in Minnesota was radicalized

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by MAGA and info Wars, according to his roommate and

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self described best friend, Yeah, there's there. I don't understand

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all of the like, what's going on with that part

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of the story, edam In. So I don't understand that,

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he says. The political violence in the country is out

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of control. I agree. We are more violent than we've

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been since the nineteen sixties. Only one party promotes violence, though,

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and it's not the Democrats. Really, Tom, really, you guys

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just coordinated a day of protest where like, on the

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heels of all of the violent anti ice protesting, you

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guys have been taking to the streets and engaging in

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this kind of action for years, he says, So this

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is what he believes is true for years Republicans have

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been trying to create a false narrative about Democrats supporting

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or encouraging political violence. They blamed the George Floyd riots

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on the party. They tried to tie Luigi Mangione to

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the party. They have blamed the anti Simmy violence of

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the attack on Jews in Colorado and the murder of

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a young Israeli embassy workers on leftists. Yes, yeah, correct,

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you are that is correct because that is what he

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standard excuse me. The standard seems pretty consistent for their side.

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They are the ultimate good. Anyone opposing is the ultimate evil.

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Their go anything goes for them, right. This is the

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permission structure that they have fostered. And Thomas Mills is

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sort of a perfect example of the wilful blindness. This

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is that's not happy way, We don't do that. Stochastic

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terrorism only occurs among Republicans. They even came up with

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the term to apply it to Republicans. And what's most

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insulting and that Tom does not mention in his list

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of examples about oh they tried to smear the Democrats.

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They're creating this false narrative. None of it's true, he says.

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The riots in twenty twenty were a national reaction of

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years of young, unarmed black men dying at the hands

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of police or vigilantes, not calls to action by Democratic leaders.

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No Democrats ever encouraged Luigi Mangioni by urging violence against

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health insurance executives. Do you remember after that murder? Did

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you ever go and read the comments section see social

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media posts? The left celebrated it. That's the permission structure.

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I've got audio from Senator Chris Murphy who now is

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saying that this is all Trump's fault, the murder up

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in Minnesota, this is all US fault, Trump's fault. But

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after Mangione murdered the healthcare CEO, he had a different tone,

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a bit of a different tone. He says. Republicans are

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urged by their leader to see Democrats as enemies and evil.

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Do you remember Joe Biden's red speech that he gave

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in Philadelphia? Remember that I do? Or how about this

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June fourteenth, we just had the eight year anniversary of

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the Congressional baseball shooting. June fourteenth, twenty seventeen, James Hodgkinson,

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a Bernie bro sixty six year old guy, shot four people,

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including then US House Majority whip Steve Scalise, try to

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assassinate a very large number of Republican lawmakers on a

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softball field. That was June fourteenth. Tom doesn't mention that.

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Tom doesn't mention Donald Trump being nearly assassinated twice, doesn't

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mention any of those see, because that doesn't fit with

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this narrative that he's pushing. That narrative being it's only

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coming from one side. That's literally his argument the headline,

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both sides are not the same. Political violence is coming

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to a head in the country, says, but on only

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one side is it directed at power? Again, like the

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gaslighting here is amazing. You had Trump survived two assassination attempts,

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and where to believe that the left is not taking

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its shot at power? Really, the violence from riots and

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protests is reactionary, sporadic, and mostly random. Oh that makes

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it okay? Then sure? You got leftists out in the street,

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pelting ice agents with bricks, setting buildings on fire. Yeah,

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it's mostly random. It's not spurred by calls for action

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from a major political party. The hell it isn't. You

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got Democrat lawmakers getting arrested while trying to block ICE operations.

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You're telling me that's not a permission structure. All the

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violence on college campuses run by and perpetuated by people

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on the left, these weren't conservatives. This wasn't MAGA setting

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up their tentifata. The perpetrators of violence from the left

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are routinely and vociferously condemned by Democrat leaders and the

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Democrat right that Julie von Haefen has had zero mensions.

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I've seen nothing from Democrats in this state, state party chair,

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any of her colleagues. Nobody is saying anything. WRAL isn't

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even covering the story. There was nothing in the news.

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And observer tell me that it's raining while I see

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you whizzing on my boots. Let me get Bob on

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real quick here. Hey Bob, Hey.

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Speaker 3: Pete, what a great show man.

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Speaker 2: Thanks, thanks.

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Speaker 3: I'm you know, uh, I just kept saying that breaking

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the law is is is is the wrong part, right,

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I mean, that's what's wrong is when somebody breaks the law.

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You know, if I if I don't lock my doors

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and something gets stolen. It's not my fault, it's you're

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not supposed to steal, right and and and I just

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I just know that, you know, the left tends to

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protect that idea that it's somebody else's fault, that it's

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somebody it's not it's it's not it's my fault for unlocked,

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for for keeping my door with unlocked. And you know,

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a matter of fact, I believe the Charlotte Police Department

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have a law where if I don't lock my doors,

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I can get a ticket.

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Speaker 1: Well, you can get in a lot of trouble if

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you get a gun stole out of your car that

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was unlocked. Yeah, so, Bob, I gotta run, I gotta run.

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I gotta run up against the news. I appreciate the call.

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It's a great point. All right. That'll do it for

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this episode. Thank you so much for listening. I could

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not do the show without your support and the support

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thank you so much for listening and don't break anything

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