WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.320 --> 00:00:03.040 The views and opinions expressed by the guests of Sasquatch 2 00:00:03.080 --> 00:00:06.679 Experience do not necessarily reflect the opinion of the host, sponsors, 3 00:00:06.759 --> 00:00:11.119 or affiliates of the Sasquatch Experience. As always, listener discretion 4 00:00:11.439 --> 00:00:12.160 is advised. 5 00:00:15.679 --> 00:00:20.839 We got someone or something crawling around out here? 6 00:00:23.399 --> 00:00:27.120 Does a legend walk among us working in the forests 7 00:00:27.480 --> 00:00:28.199 of our world? 8 00:00:31.239 --> 00:00:32.200 Did you see what it was? 9 00:00:33.439 --> 00:00:33.560 Well? 10 00:00:33.600 --> 00:00:36.159 Did a person or an animal? Or I can't go. Oh, 11 00:00:36.159 --> 00:00:38.119 I know it's that my thunder light came on and 12 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:40.439 I heard happened to glen and see this thing running 13 00:00:40.479 --> 00:00:43.759 across the yard A good fight man or something works 14 00:00:43.799 --> 00:00:44.159 like a man. 15 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:45.000 I don't know what it was. 16 00:00:50.320 --> 00:00:55.119 For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators, 17 00:00:55.119 --> 00:00:59.280 and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the 18 00:00:59.320 --> 00:01:02.119 existence how this mysterious. 19 00:01:01.439 --> 00:01:09.879 Entity Jesus quite cal Hello, get somebody out of here. 20 00:01:10.159 --> 00:01:11.120 What's going to announce there? 21 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:14.000 That's got a mention about six ft nine? I don't know, 22 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:18.599 easy announced there? Yeah, I'm working right ry Oh, okay, 23 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:22.560 hand on her yarn? Yeah, got you're big? 24 00:01:23.120 --> 00:01:24.439 Okay, what's he doing in your yard? 25 00:01:25.040 --> 00:01:25.840 We're gonna bring you. 26 00:01:33.000 --> 00:01:37.680 Join us as we continue into the investigation of the 27 00:01:37.719 --> 00:01:38.920 Sasquatch Experience. 28 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:02.799 And good evening, every Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday, 29 00:02:02.879 --> 00:02:08.000 February seventeen, two thy twenty five. This is the crossover 30 00:02:08.080 --> 00:02:10.599 you've all been waiting for. Probably next from Doctor Who 31 00:02:10.639 --> 00:02:14.599 in Star Trek, you've got Squatch Detective and the Fork 32 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:18.360 Shop with our friends here tonight for a very exciting 33 00:02:18.360 --> 00:02:22.199 episode because Steve and I happened to be two of 34 00:02:22.280 --> 00:02:27.479 the most senior podcasters on Bigfoot on the planet. Steve, 35 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:28.759 how the hell are you doing, my friend? 36 00:02:29.240 --> 00:02:33.639 We're doing wonderful, marvelous as I like to say, look 37 00:02:33.639 --> 00:02:34.080 out for that. 38 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:36.800 Just go buy my own microphone trying to take me out. 39 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:40.919 Yeah, you know, it's amazing, you know. 40 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:44.360 And how many years we've been doing this that we 41 00:02:44.520 --> 00:02:49.400 haven't been injured having on the job podcasting injury, although 42 00:02:49.439 --> 00:02:52.680 I did have a podcast once where a meteor did 43 00:02:52.719 --> 00:02:55.919 explode overhead and that was called audio. 44 00:02:57.280 --> 00:03:00.639 Well, we did have one related injury I remember, and 45 00:03:00.680 --> 00:03:03.639 that was the Henry May spilling noodles on his cry Yes, 46 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:07.639 oh yeah, that was a We used that sound bite forever. 47 00:03:07.840 --> 00:03:10.400 Let's know. We also used to have the annual Ramen 48 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:14.680 Noodle Awards, because it literally sounded like a YETI screaming 49 00:03:15.199 --> 00:03:19.319 in the we'll have to fight. I think, Yeah, I 50 00:03:19.319 --> 00:03:21.719 think Steve has it. I think occasionally from time to 51 00:03:21.759 --> 00:03:24.439 time he plays it. But what a hell of a 52 00:03:24.520 --> 00:03:26.639 time we had back in the early days, back in 53 00:03:26.680 --> 00:03:30.520 blog talk radio. None of us on that platform anymore, 54 00:03:31.120 --> 00:03:35.039 but here we are still making it, still going. And Steve, 55 00:03:35.240 --> 00:03:38.840 I guess you know, for folks who aren't familiar with you, Steve, 56 00:03:38.960 --> 00:03:42.840 you've you've got a background in private investigating loss prevention, 57 00:03:44.639 --> 00:03:48.400 with evidence analysis and forensics. You've done just about every 58 00:03:48.520 --> 00:03:53.280 type of investigating you can think of. You've used that 59 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.400 to build your framework for the investigating you do into 60 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:02.639 cryptozoological and paranormal phenomena. You just don't do bigfoot. You 61 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:05.520 branch across the whole spectrum. But you and I have 62 00:04:05.879 --> 00:04:08.479 You know, we became a quainted and became friends over 63 00:04:08.879 --> 00:04:10.120 the sasquatch mystery. 64 00:04:10.759 --> 00:04:13.319 Sure, and yeah, the paranormal thing. 65 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:16.360 I was in it from about twenty ten till about 66 00:04:16.360 --> 00:04:17.120 twenty nineteen. 67 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:19.360 I've kind of stepped back from that a little bit now. 68 00:04:20.879 --> 00:04:23.480 You know, a lot of boohoo weird stuff too, weird 69 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:25.600 for me, and the. 70 00:04:27.519 --> 00:04:29.519 I mean weird, I mean weird physically. 71 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:33.439 You know, in my tenure of doing that, I got 72 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:36.720 a lot of physical ailments that were Bell's palsy and 73 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:40.279 hives and boils and really. 74 00:04:40.480 --> 00:04:43.120 All the biblical legs. Huh. 75 00:04:43.160 --> 00:04:43.480 I know. 76 00:04:44.079 --> 00:04:47.199 Yeah, well you know that's the associated dangerous with that, 77 00:04:47.399 --> 00:04:52.680 with that, yeah, right, it's these things do happen. I 78 00:04:52.720 --> 00:04:56.720 know this isn't a paranormal podcast per se, but you know, 79 00:04:56.800 --> 00:04:59.000 that was one of the fears I've always had going 80 00:04:59.040 --> 00:05:02.000 into doing those type of research, as Steve is, the 81 00:05:02.120 --> 00:05:06.519 you know, potential attachment or the physical you know, ramifications 82 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:09.360 of doing that investigating and folks, rather you believe it 83 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:11.600 or not, you know, Steve will tell you that these things, 84 00:05:11.639 --> 00:05:13.759 you know, sometimes it's more than a coincidence. 85 00:05:14.399 --> 00:05:16.879 Well yeah, I mean I to get hives, I mean 86 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:18.639 I didn't have hives since I was a little kid. 87 00:05:18.839 --> 00:05:21.879 To get boils that even my doctor says, I just 88 00:05:21.920 --> 00:05:24.319 don't understand it. And then I and then you know, 89 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:26.639 another year, I go to him, I have Belt's palsy. 90 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:30.439 I had Belt's palsy for a few weeks and he says, 91 00:05:30.480 --> 00:05:33.600 I can't explain why this happened. Yeah, yeah, so it's 92 00:05:33.639 --> 00:05:37.480 just and it was always right after certain investigations. 93 00:05:37.720 --> 00:05:41.879 Right, and when you do as much public presenting as 94 00:05:41.920 --> 00:05:44.079 you do, you know, Bell's palsy is no picnic. 95 00:05:44.519 --> 00:05:44.839 No no. 96 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:48.959 But luckily I caught it within like when it for 97 00:05:49.160 --> 00:05:52.639 the onset it first happened. Because my first fear was 98 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:54.040 is that I was having a mini. 99 00:05:53.879 --> 00:05:56.079 Struggle, right, very symbiatic. 100 00:05:56.959 --> 00:05:59.680 But when I got to the er, the doctor explained 101 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:01.439 to me and showed me how to tell the difference. 102 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:03.680 And it had to do with the eyebrows. 103 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:07.319 If you can move your eyebrow, like your one eyebrow 104 00:06:07.360 --> 00:06:10.720 on the side that's not moving because my eyebrows, my 105 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:14.759 eye wouldn't move, and or my eye lids wouldn't move. 106 00:06:15.360 --> 00:06:17.800 So he's, you know, automatically, they put you on anti 107 00:06:17.879 --> 00:06:20.279 viral stuff, he says, because we caught it early. Should 108 00:06:20.279 --> 00:06:22.839 clear up in nine days and you'll be fine. No 109 00:06:22.959 --> 00:06:26.319 permanent effects. The people who get the permanent affection, the 110 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:31.279 people who don't treat it for way too long, gotcha. 111 00:06:30.920 --> 00:06:37.680 Or have botox in their eyebrows. I guess then you're screwed. Hey, Henry, 112 00:06:37.720 --> 00:06:41.600 thanks for popping in the night. Henry may, folks, Henry, 113 00:06:42.279 --> 00:06:45.639 Henry must be having some difficult there is we got 114 00:06:45.639 --> 00:06:48.360 a little bit of signal back Welcome the planet Earth, Henry. 115 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:54.399 I was having some difficulties, Steve. Oh Henry. 116 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.480 So Steve, Steve and I started talking last week. I mean, 117 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.120 Steve and I talked rand throughout the year, but we 118 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:03.319 started talking last week because he's got a new book 119 00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:05.920 coming out. He's got four books previous to this, and 120 00:07:05.959 --> 00:07:08.720 if you want him to start getting into your you 121 00:07:08.839 --> 00:07:11.279 go to Squatchdetective dot com. I'm sure he's got links 122 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:13.120 to buy his books on there. But you got fifty 123 00:07:13.199 --> 00:07:16.360 large The Real Story of the Georgia Bigfoot Body Hoax, 124 00:07:16.800 --> 00:07:22.439 What would Sasquatch Do? The Sasquatch Playbook, The Psychology of Bigfoot, 125 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:28.000 and the brand new book coming out, Bigfoot, A Scientific Examination. 126 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:32.000 So Steve's got quite the writing credentials behind him now 127 00:07:32.720 --> 00:07:35.040 writing his fifth book, which, folks, it could probably be 128 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:36.920 six or seven books if you'd have broken up a 129 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:40.560 little bit. But this new one's atone and we're excited 130 00:07:40.560 --> 00:07:44.040 to talk about it tonight, Steve, so let's dive right 131 00:07:44.079 --> 00:07:47.399 into it. What the hell prompted you to write this one? 132 00:07:48.360 --> 00:07:52.439 Well, the funny thing is the last book I wrote, 133 00:07:52.439 --> 00:07:56.920 The Psychology of Bigfoot, was really my antithesis of the 134 00:07:56.920 --> 00:08:01.360 Bigfoot witness very you know, everything is in science and 135 00:08:01.560 --> 00:08:05.360 references and citations and trying to put it all together 136 00:08:05.439 --> 00:08:09.560 on what you know, what makes a real bigfoot witness 137 00:08:09.920 --> 00:08:15.399 seem credible, what makes a phony bigfoot witness sound not 138 00:08:15.480 --> 00:08:16.959 so credible, and how to kind. 139 00:08:16.759 --> 00:08:17.639 Of tell the difference. 140 00:08:18.199 --> 00:08:20.959 And then we talk about other things like PTSD and 141 00:08:21.720 --> 00:08:24.360 and why we don't get good photographs and pictures. 142 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:26.879 Well, I decided to start. 143 00:08:26.680 --> 00:08:32.080 Doing a scientific paper on the psychology of bigfoot witnesses. 144 00:08:33.399 --> 00:08:36.080 And when I got done with it, I was like, 145 00:08:36.200 --> 00:08:40.200 you know, I should do this on all the great 146 00:08:40.320 --> 00:08:46.279 questions and my philosophies and the reason why you know, 147 00:08:46.360 --> 00:08:51.000 when people say, you know, well can bigfoot use in 148 00:08:51.039 --> 00:08:55.519 for sound? Well can it? Let's do the research on it, 149 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:59.480 let's look it up, let's take some sources, and before 150 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:02.120 you know it, in the book, I have forty nine 151 00:09:02.320 --> 00:09:08.159 separate scientific papers broken up into three separate categories, with 152 00:09:08.279 --> 00:09:15.200 an introductory scientific paper and an epilogue scientific paper which 153 00:09:16.320 --> 00:09:23.679 it'd be very quite. The introductory one is basically making 154 00:09:23.720 --> 00:09:29.679 a case for a bigfoots as or creating a scientific 155 00:09:29.759 --> 00:09:32.639 profile of the Bigfoot, and at the very end is 156 00:09:32.720 --> 00:09:38.279 all the evidence that supports Bigfoot being a real creature. 157 00:09:39.440 --> 00:09:41.440 Nice, I was trying to pull the paper up here, 158 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:45.159 I had it saved into my can I ask a question, 159 00:09:45.320 --> 00:09:46.919 You can ask all you want to, Buddy. 160 00:09:47.159 --> 00:09:50.960 So you've been gathering evidence of witnesses for. 161 00:09:50.919 --> 00:09:51.639 How many years? 162 00:09:53.080 --> 00:09:55.279 Since nineteen ninety eight? 163 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:57.240 Okay, so this might work. 164 00:09:57.279 --> 00:10:03.200 I'm not sure have you noticed that at the physical 165 00:10:03.360 --> 00:10:08.840 representation of witnesses idea of what Bigfoot has has evolved 166 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:14.200 to what is shown on multimedia and movies and things 167 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:17.200 like that. Like lately, I've noticed a lot of the 168 00:10:17.240 --> 00:10:22.039 Bigfoot esque hype. Things all look like Harry from Harry 169 00:10:22.039 --> 00:10:25.480 and the Hendersons, But before that movie came out, they 170 00:10:25.519 --> 00:10:26.879 had a different look. 171 00:10:26.960 --> 00:10:29.639 It's kind of like how all the grays kind. 172 00:10:29.440 --> 00:10:35.000 Of look like the given alien from like Paul or 173 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:38.919 the given alien from another movie or Close Encounters of 174 00:10:38.919 --> 00:10:41.799 the Third Kind, but originally they looked slightly different. 175 00:10:41.799 --> 00:10:43.480 Do you see that evolution too? 176 00:10:43.919 --> 00:10:47.480 No, and actuality. In New York, the Bigfoot are actually 177 00:10:47.480 --> 00:10:52.039 described as quite lanky. As a matter of fact, one witness 178 00:10:52.080 --> 00:10:55.960 I talked to last year or I'm sorry the year 179 00:10:55.960 --> 00:11:00.159 before last said it looked like almost like a hippie. 180 00:11:00.559 --> 00:11:01.720 He goes, it just was. 181 00:11:01.799 --> 00:11:05.159 Like kind of, you know, very longish, shaggy, you know, 182 00:11:05.320 --> 00:11:08.159 grayish hair. It wasn't even a brown or a reddish 183 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:11.600 brown or a black they put it was kind of grayish. 184 00:11:11.639 --> 00:11:13.840 So I have not seen that most of that. 185 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.759 Most of the time, we don't see that robust, hairy 186 00:11:17.879 --> 00:11:20.080 Harry and the Henderson's type big foot. Here in New York, 187 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:24.039 we always see the lanky, which which to me kind 188 00:11:24.039 --> 00:11:27.000 of supports that people are all seeing the same type 189 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:28.559 of creature because of the description. 190 00:11:29.960 --> 00:11:31.840 Well thank you, because I get a lot. 191 00:11:32.000 --> 00:11:33.360 I mean, me and Shawn go to a lot of 192 00:11:33.399 --> 00:11:35.919 these places and people come up with the stories, and 193 00:11:35.960 --> 00:11:39.399 I've just noticed that the narrative or what the story 194 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.759 looks like, Like my friend Snuffy makes some really cool bigfoots. 195 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:44.759 They all have that look. 196 00:11:45.519 --> 00:11:48.440 But he's doing it as an artist and that's what 197 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:51.120 he's using it from interpreting from not just Harry, but. 198 00:11:51.360 --> 00:11:51.879 You know whatever. 199 00:11:52.039 --> 00:11:53.559 But I noticed that a lot of the people when 200 00:11:53.559 --> 00:11:57.320 they start explaining bigfoot, and me and Foker and Matt 201 00:11:57.360 --> 00:11:59.039 have had this conversation multiple times. 202 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.720 We teach people how to fake sightings. We teach people how. 203 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:05.279 We don't mean to, but we have the conversation. People 204 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:07.879 listen and then they fake something, you know what I mean. 205 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:10.080 But I want to know if you were catching any 206 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:10.360 of that. 207 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:16.159 Well, well, throughout history, you know, we you know, as 208 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:20.799 you know creatures of habit, we tend to describe things 209 00:12:21.320 --> 00:12:24.840 like we know them. You go back to the eighteen hundreds, 210 00:12:24.879 --> 00:12:27.799 everybody called them wild men, right, you know, but they 211 00:12:27.840 --> 00:12:32.639 would describe essentially the same thing, large footprints covered in 212 00:12:32.639 --> 00:12:34.799 reddish brown hair or brownish hair. 213 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:37.120 I've heard them described it. 214 00:12:37.240 --> 00:12:40.440 I've seen newspaper reports from the eighteen hundred describing them 215 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:44.360 as bear men. And then you know, somebody said there 216 00:12:44.559 --> 00:12:47.360 was you know, gorillas loose in the woods. 217 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:47.679 You know. 218 00:12:47.759 --> 00:12:51.399 So as we got to know the known creatures, people 219 00:12:51.559 --> 00:12:54.519 kind of associated what they look like with them. 220 00:12:55.159 --> 00:12:57.919 I'm just going to say this, I really have to 221 00:12:57.919 --> 00:13:03.399 to interrupt here. So Steve, you mentioned about a witness 222 00:13:03.440 --> 00:13:08.840 stating that it looked like a hippie and these guys here. Now, 223 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:11.480 my mom had an encounter, you know, back in the 224 00:13:11.639 --> 00:13:15.759 nineteen eighties, and she doesn't know anything about you know, 225 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:19.879 but she described it as like a long stringy hair, 226 00:13:20.440 --> 00:13:25.799 you know, like rock type person. You know, she didn't 227 00:13:25.879 --> 00:13:28.919 use the term hippie, but she used the term, you know, 228 00:13:29.120 --> 00:13:32.519 like you know, somebody you'd see walking down the road 229 00:13:32.519 --> 00:13:35.960 with the long, greasy hair, And that's exactly. But she 230 00:13:36.000 --> 00:13:38.399 said it was a monster. It had a nape like face. 231 00:13:39.840 --> 00:13:43.000 But as soon as you said that, I was like, wow, 232 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:45.159 that hit the nail on the head. 233 00:13:46.279 --> 00:13:48.480 We do have a question here from Scott the chat. 234 00:13:48.519 --> 00:13:51.559 Scott asked, picking up from Baker's line of thought, do 235 00:13:51.600 --> 00:13:54.279 you feel though that there are enough stories out there 236 00:13:54.360 --> 00:13:58.000 now that people could create a credible sounding report without 237 00:13:58.000 --> 00:13:59.279 a personal experience. 238 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:02.679 Well, one of the things I try to do is 239 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:09.200 educate people, because yeah, people can create credible sounding stories, 240 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:13.639 but they fall apart upon questioning, and a lot of times. 241 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:18.639 Even the stories break apart. 242 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:22.000 And I'll give you a great example from the famous case, 243 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:25.360 the bigfoot peeper case, where the guy had filmed this 244 00:14:25.440 --> 00:14:29.200 thing in the window originally this is before and he 245 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:33.039 had the pictures. You know, he's saying he sat there 246 00:14:33.080 --> 00:14:36.519 and filmed it for seven minutes. 247 00:14:37.039 --> 00:14:40.000 Then his wife came in and screamed. So then. 248 00:14:41.480 --> 00:14:44.679 I put my camera down and I got my gun. Well, 249 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:48.240 why why would you film it for eight minutes? And 250 00:14:48.279 --> 00:14:50.600 then because your wide screams, you feel the need to 251 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:54.879 get your gun. You know, if what I've tried to 252 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:56.840 do is try to take it from a like a 253 00:14:56.879 --> 00:15:01.679 criminal psychology type of work, look at the the pre 254 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:05.120 offense behavior, of the offense behavior, and the post offense behavior, 255 00:15:05.600 --> 00:15:08.480 and if none of it makes sense, and that obviously 256 00:15:08.519 --> 00:15:11.679 didn't make sense, is like, wait a minute, you're filming 257 00:15:11.799 --> 00:15:13.799 for seven minutes and your wife walks, and you didn't 258 00:15:13.879 --> 00:15:16.519 say anything to your wife, Hey, honey, look out the window, 259 00:15:17.440 --> 00:15:20.080 and then when she screams, then you then you decide 260 00:15:20.080 --> 00:15:22.000 to put your camera down and get your None of 261 00:15:22.000 --> 00:15:22.720 it makes sense. 262 00:15:23.000 --> 00:15:25.720 Yeah, So a lot of the stories. 263 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:27.720 That come out that come out, and there was a 264 00:15:27.759 --> 00:15:29.639 recent one I just did on my show and I 265 00:15:29.960 --> 00:15:33.360 don't have the details enough of my head to paraphrase 266 00:15:33.399 --> 00:15:38.279 it too well. But again, the story did not It 267 00:15:38.399 --> 00:15:41.759 broke down because it did not make natural order sense 268 00:15:41.879 --> 00:15:43.120 or psychological sense. 269 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:46.039 Yeah. 270 00:15:46.080 --> 00:15:49.320 No, And I think you know, the frame of thought 271 00:15:49.320 --> 00:15:53.759 that you're on is spot on people's behaviors often a 272 00:15:53.799 --> 00:15:56.919 lot more telling than what they're actually saying right, and 273 00:15:57.080 --> 00:15:58.440 I think, you know, I think you're one of the 274 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:00.279 people to teach me that a long time ago. But 275 00:16:00.799 --> 00:16:03.240 it's the things that aren't said that are the giveaways. 276 00:16:04.799 --> 00:16:07.080 And to your point, and that one, you know, I 277 00:16:07.120 --> 00:16:09.000 don't know how many people if you have other folks 278 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.240 around you see something so extraordinary, you're not going to 279 00:16:11.240 --> 00:16:15.240 call somebody and say, hey, someone else, get a set 280 00:16:15.240 --> 00:16:18.840 of eyes on this, What the hell is this? And 281 00:16:18.879 --> 00:16:21.360 in that particular instance, you know, the wife comes in 282 00:16:21.440 --> 00:16:24.639 the room and screams, you know, probably didn't happen, You're right, 283 00:16:24.879 --> 00:16:27.559 more likely didn't happen that way. I just have my 284 00:16:27.679 --> 00:16:30.240 seat in my mind Steve going after that guy like 285 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:34.720 George Anderson does with the guy in the bike. Do 286 00:16:34.759 --> 00:16:40.200 you know what I'm talking about? Like, Yeah, what you 287 00:16:40.320 --> 00:16:42.759 really did is got scared and ship your pants and 288 00:16:43.000 --> 00:16:46.759 you know, fell off your bike. He didn't touch it, 289 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:49.200 you know, and it was all It's all downhill from there. 290 00:16:51.720 --> 00:16:53.759 But when you go through. I finally got the book 291 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:56.159 pulled up here again. I thought I had it saved 292 00:16:56.159 --> 00:16:58.519 in my files, but it doesn't like that. And folks, 293 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:00.320 I'm not kidding here when I say it's comper hints 294 00:17:00.320 --> 00:17:02.360 of the table of contents, though we were saying right 295 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:05.160 before we came up, if you're somebody that's going to 296 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:07.440 use this as a reference book, somebody that's going to 297 00:17:07.559 --> 00:17:10.160 use it to help them along. Steve has this framed 298 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:15.000 out very well because it's broken up in sections biological, psychological, 299 00:17:15.519 --> 00:17:18.799 social science, and case studies furthering the research. I mean, 300 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:21.559 it's all there, and I haven't made it all the 301 00:17:21.559 --> 00:17:23.640 way through the book yet. It's almost the size of 302 00:17:23.680 --> 00:17:26.599 Sasquatch Games among us. Steve, you might have the next 303 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.720 book here to go up on the shelf next to it, 304 00:17:31.160 --> 00:17:33.880 But there are some very important topics that he touches 305 00:17:33.920 --> 00:17:35.880 on in here, and guys, there are topics that we've 306 00:17:35.880 --> 00:17:38.960 touched in the past, but one are the interesting ones. 307 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:42.240 I want to talk to you about, Steve, camouflage, because 308 00:17:42.279 --> 00:17:45.559 you know we hear all the time. Is it become 309 00:17:45.599 --> 00:17:50.920 a woo thing or a situation where this thing kind 310 00:17:50.960 --> 00:17:54.640 of looks like the predator the Shimmerman scenario going on 311 00:17:54.680 --> 00:17:59.119 out there, But how Bigfoot just disappears or how it reappears. 312 00:17:59.559 --> 00:18:01.440 What's your thoughts on that. We don't have to go 313 00:18:01.480 --> 00:18:03.319 into the whole giveaway because we are trying to sell 314 00:18:03.319 --> 00:18:05.920 a book here for you. But you know, some interesting 315 00:18:05.960 --> 00:18:07.839 topics that I think we didn't talk about. This is 316 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:08.400 well of them. 317 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:10.920 Well, you know, it's kind of funny. I covered this 318 00:18:11.319 --> 00:18:14.599 in a couple of different ways. In one particular way 319 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:18.480 in the new book, I cover it more of the 320 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:22.960 animal world type of nature is that you know, there's 321 00:18:23.200 --> 00:18:29.160 lots of you know, creatures that adapt, including jimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans. 322 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:33.559 They have natural camouflage. They blend just like a deer. 323 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.480 A deer blends toe into the forest. You hear a 324 00:18:36.480 --> 00:18:38.559 lot of times people see a deer cross the road. 325 00:18:38.599 --> 00:18:41.039 As soon as it goes into the forest, you look 326 00:18:41.079 --> 00:18:44.079 as you're driving by, you don't see it. It didn't cloak, 327 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:46.480 it didn't jump into a portal, it didn't shape shift, 328 00:18:46.480 --> 00:18:49.559 it didn't it didn't turn into the predator. It just 329 00:18:49.759 --> 00:18:54.720 naturally blends and with the fauna. Now, if you add 330 00:18:54.759 --> 00:18:57.359 a little bit of the psychology element of that, now 331 00:18:57.359 --> 00:18:59.880 you're seeing something and your mind is stuttering a little 332 00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:03.440 bit to figure out what am I looking at? And 333 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:06.720 by the time you're looking it's gone and you've completely 334 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:10.720 lost your kind of bearing on it. So there's a 335 00:19:10.759 --> 00:19:15.000 lot of normal reasons why Bigfoot disappears. 336 00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:15.160 Into the woods. 337 00:19:15.160 --> 00:19:18.160 It's not because its shape shifts or it's translucent or 338 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:23.960 any of that. There's a lot of stuff that that 339 00:19:24.039 --> 00:19:30.119 you know, obviously our metabolism or primate metabolism is not 340 00:19:30.400 --> 00:19:35.400 high enough to do those sorts of things. That's you know, 341 00:19:35.519 --> 00:19:38.279 is basically claimed by the WU factor. 342 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:41.680 Well we sorry, go ahead, Jis. 343 00:19:42.160 --> 00:19:45.680 We had this actually same discussion multiple times. Was So, 344 00:19:45.920 --> 00:19:49.200 I'm digging a hole for my golf course, my mini. 345 00:19:48.920 --> 00:19:51.000 Put and I'm putting in one of those plast liners 346 00:19:51.559 --> 00:19:54.839 and I'm digging. I got a pick axe, I'm digging everything. 347 00:19:55.240 --> 00:20:00.480 There's a deer behind me, maybe as close as the. 348 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:01.880 The behind me is from where I am. 349 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.839 He's been there fifteen minutes that I can think of. 350 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:09.319 There's a deer across the thing. They both see me 351 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:11.839 the whole time, but I didn't recognize they were there 352 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:15.400 until the one deer decided to make enough noise that 353 00:20:15.519 --> 00:20:18.839 I heard him. And I think that's what people don't realize. 354 00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:23.319 Also is is because we're walking into their territory, they're 355 00:20:23.359 --> 00:20:28.720 aware we exist, and then we acknowledge their existence, but 356 00:20:28.720 --> 00:20:30.039 by then they already have. 357 00:20:30.759 --> 00:20:33.039 Oh, Hey, Bob's over there, Steve's over there. 358 00:20:33.400 --> 00:20:36.920 I'm watching him, but I also know my exit planned 359 00:20:37.119 --> 00:20:38.440 if Steve notices me, and. 360 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:39.960 I don't want to interact anymore. 361 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.200 Where you're just like, oh, you're here, and then they're gone, 362 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:46.759 and you're like, oh, it's got to be It's not magic. 363 00:20:46.839 --> 00:20:50.759 They've planned that whole interaction right now. 364 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:54.880 Now, just picture that being a primate doing that, not 365 00:20:55.000 --> 00:20:55.640 an ungulate. 366 00:20:56.039 --> 00:20:57.759 How much more smarter is that going to be? 367 00:20:58.480 --> 00:20:58.759 Yeah? 368 00:20:59.119 --> 00:20:59.400 Right? 369 00:20:59.799 --> 00:21:02.119 And one of the things I appreciate about again going 370 00:21:02.119 --> 00:21:04.680 into the book is in each one of these sections, 371 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:10.799 each one of these papers, you do have it chimpanzees, gorillas, right, 372 00:21:10.880 --> 00:21:15.559 You have known animal behaviors and no animal characteristics as 373 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:17.799 a reference point in there. So you do a lot 374 00:21:17.799 --> 00:21:19.799 of the homework for the people that are reading this book, 375 00:21:19.839 --> 00:21:21.680 which is, you know, the purpose of you actually are 376 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:24.480 writing a scientific paper people like you, you know, give 377 00:21:24.519 --> 00:21:29.240 a damn about and want to learn something from. Particularly, 378 00:21:29.279 --> 00:21:31.519 the camouflage is important because I think you touch in 379 00:21:31.559 --> 00:21:35.559 there too on you know, the type of hair, hair 380 00:21:35.599 --> 00:21:41.039 coloration it you know, the coloration being important because of 381 00:21:41.039 --> 00:21:44.119 how easily it can blend into the environment, the natural 382 00:21:44.200 --> 00:21:47.119 environment Banker, you're talking about deer. You know that deer 383 00:21:47.200 --> 00:21:51.519 is the perfect color to blend into the area around it. 384 00:21:51.839 --> 00:21:54.759 Why would a bigfoot be any different in that respect? 385 00:21:54.799 --> 00:21:58.000 Bears are that way, other animals that reside in the 386 00:21:58.039 --> 00:22:01.960 wilderness are that way. But now think about it, what 387 00:22:02.039 --> 00:22:05.400 was the was it the now I'm losing my train 388 00:22:05.440 --> 00:22:07.319 of thought here, But there was an animal whose hair 389 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:11.079 is designed pretty much to kind of take on that 390 00:22:11.200 --> 00:22:14.920 characteristics or you know, reflect that coloration, and you know, 391 00:22:15.079 --> 00:22:18.680 make it maybe it's a bear right that, you know, 392 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:21.799 make it even more susceptible than you in No, you're right, 393 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:23.759 because I think it was you that brought brought it 394 00:22:23.839 --> 00:22:26.000 up to me bakery and got me the zoo books 395 00:22:26.039 --> 00:22:30.039 when I was good, and that's where he ended his 396 00:22:30.319 --> 00:22:35.160 uh his education. You make you make a perfect point? 397 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:37.319 Is The thing with the deer is, though, is like 398 00:22:38.680 --> 00:22:39.079 I was. 399 00:22:39.039 --> 00:22:40.039 In their habitat. 400 00:22:40.359 --> 00:22:42.799 I was making all kinds of noise, so they knew 401 00:22:42.839 --> 00:22:45.960