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Speaker 2: We got someone or something crawling around out here?
Speaker 3: Does a legend walk among us working in the forests
Speaker 3: of our world?
Speaker 4: Did you see what it was?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 2: Did a person or an animal? Or I can't go. Oh,
Speaker 2: I know it's that my thunder light came on and
Speaker 2: I heard happened to glen and see this thing running
Speaker 2: across the yard A good fight man or something works
Speaker 2: like a man.
Speaker 6: I don't know what it was.
Speaker 3: For over fifteen years, we've talked with scientists, researchers, investigators,
Speaker 3: and witnesses trying to gain insight and truth around the
Speaker 3: existence how this mysterious.
Speaker 2: Entity Jesus quite cal Hello, get somebody out of here.
Speaker 5: What's going to announce there?
Speaker 2: That's got a mention about six ft nine? I don't know,
Speaker 2: easy announced there? Yeah, I'm working right ry Oh, okay,
Speaker 2: hand on her yarn? Yeah, got you're big?
Speaker 1: Okay, what's he doing in your yard?
Speaker 2: We're gonna bring you.
Speaker 3: Join us as we continue into the investigation of the
Speaker 3: Sasquatch Experience.
Speaker 4: And good evening, every Welcome to the Sasquatch Experience for Monday,
Speaker 4: February seventeen, two thy twenty five. This is the crossover
Speaker 4: you've all been waiting for. Probably next from Doctor Who
Speaker 4: in Star Trek, you've got Squatch Detective and the Fork
Speaker 4: Shop with our friends here tonight for a very exciting
Speaker 4: episode because Steve and I happened to be two of
Speaker 4: the most senior podcasters on Bigfoot on the planet. Steve,
Speaker 4: how the hell are you doing, my friend?
Speaker 7: We're doing wonderful, marvelous as I like to say, look
Speaker 7: out for that.
Speaker 4: Just go buy my own microphone trying to take me out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, it's amazing, you know.
Speaker 7: And how many years we've been doing this that we
Speaker 7: haven't been injured having on the job podcasting injury, although
Speaker 7: I did have a podcast once where a meteor did
Speaker 7: explode overhead and that was called audio.
Speaker 4: Well, we did have one related injury I remember, and
Speaker 4: that was the Henry May spilling noodles on his cry Yes,
Speaker 4: oh yeah, that was a We used that sound bite forever.
Speaker 4: Let's know. We also used to have the annual Ramen
Speaker 4: Noodle Awards, because it literally sounded like a YETI screaming
Speaker 4: in the we'll have to fight. I think, Yeah, I
Speaker 4: think Steve has it. I think occasionally from time to
Speaker 4: time he plays it. But what a hell of a
Speaker 4: time we had back in the early days, back in
Speaker 4: blog talk radio. None of us on that platform anymore,
Speaker 4: but here we are still making it, still going. And Steve,
Speaker 4: I guess you know, for folks who aren't familiar with you, Steve,
Speaker 4: you've you've got a background in private investigating loss prevention,
Speaker 4: with evidence analysis and forensics. You've done just about every
Speaker 4: type of investigating you can think of. You've used that
Speaker 4: to build your framework for the investigating you do into
Speaker 4: cryptozoological and paranormal phenomena. You just don't do bigfoot. You
Speaker 4: branch across the whole spectrum. But you and I have
Speaker 4: You know, we became a quainted and became friends over
Speaker 4: the sasquatch mystery.
Speaker 8: Sure, and yeah, the paranormal thing.
Speaker 7: I was in it from about twenty ten till about
Speaker 7: twenty nineteen.
Speaker 8: I've kind of stepped back from that a little bit now.
Speaker 7: You know, a lot of boohoo weird stuff too, weird
Speaker 7: for me, and the.
Speaker 8: I mean weird, I mean weird physically.
Speaker 7: You know, in my tenure of doing that, I got
Speaker 7: a lot of physical ailments that were Bell's palsy and
Speaker 7: hives and boils and really.
Speaker 4: All the biblical legs. Huh.
Speaker 8: I know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well you know that's the associated dangerous with that,
Speaker 4: with that, yeah, right, it's these things do happen. I
Speaker 4: know this isn't a paranormal podcast per se, but you know,
Speaker 4: that was one of the fears I've always had going
Speaker 4: into doing those type of research, as Steve is, the
Speaker 4: you know, potential attachment or the physical you know, ramifications
Speaker 4: of doing that investigating and folks, rather you believe it
Speaker 4: or not, you know, Steve will tell you that these things,
Speaker 4: you know, sometimes it's more than a coincidence.
Speaker 7: Well yeah, I mean I to get hives, I mean
Speaker 7: I didn't have hives since I was a little kid.
Speaker 7: To get boils that even my doctor says, I just
Speaker 7: don't understand it. And then I and then you know,
Speaker 7: another year, I go to him, I have Belt's palsy.
Speaker 7: I had Belt's palsy for a few weeks and he says,
Speaker 7: I can't explain why this happened. Yeah, yeah, so it's
Speaker 7: just and it was always right after certain investigations.
Speaker 4: Right, and when you do as much public presenting as
Speaker 4: you do, you know, Bell's palsy is no picnic.
Speaker 8: No no.
Speaker 7: But luckily I caught it within like when it for
Speaker 7: the onset it first happened. Because my first fear was
Speaker 7: is that I was having a mini.
Speaker 4: Struggle, right, very symbiatic.
Speaker 7: But when I got to the er, the doctor explained
Speaker 7: to me and showed me how to tell the difference.
Speaker 8: And it had to do with the eyebrows.
Speaker 7: If you can move your eyebrow, like your one eyebrow
Speaker 7: on the side that's not moving because my eyebrows, my
Speaker 7: eye wouldn't move, and or my eye lids wouldn't move.
Speaker 7: So he's, you know, automatically, they put you on anti
Speaker 7: viral stuff, he says, because we caught it early. Should
Speaker 7: clear up in nine days and you'll be fine. No
Speaker 7: permanent effects. The people who get the permanent affection, the
Speaker 7: people who don't treat it for way too long, gotcha.
Speaker 4: Or have botox in their eyebrows. I guess then you're screwed. Hey, Henry,
Speaker 4: thanks for popping in the night. Henry may, folks, Henry,
Speaker 4: Henry must be having some difficult there is we got
Speaker 4: a little bit of signal back Welcome the planet Earth, Henry.
Speaker 8: I was having some difficulties, Steve. Oh Henry.
Speaker 4: So Steve, Steve and I started talking last week. I mean,
Speaker 4: Steve and I talked rand throughout the year, but we
Speaker 4: started talking last week because he's got a new book
Speaker 4: coming out. He's got four books previous to this, and
Speaker 4: if you want him to start getting into your you
Speaker 4: go to Squatchdetective dot com. I'm sure he's got links
Speaker 4: to buy his books on there. But you got fifty
Speaker 4: large The Real Story of the Georgia Bigfoot Body Hoax,
Speaker 4: What would Sasquatch Do? The Sasquatch Playbook, The Psychology of Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: and the brand new book coming out, Bigfoot, A Scientific Examination.
Speaker 4: So Steve's got quite the writing credentials behind him now
Speaker 4: writing his fifth book, which, folks, it could probably be
Speaker 4: six or seven books if you'd have broken up a
Speaker 4: little bit. But this new one's atone and we're excited
Speaker 4: to talk about it tonight, Steve, so let's dive right
Speaker 4: into it. What the hell prompted you to write this one?
Speaker 7: Well, the funny thing is the last book I wrote,
Speaker 7: The Psychology of Bigfoot, was really my antithesis of the
Speaker 7: Bigfoot witness very you know, everything is in science and
Speaker 7: references and citations and trying to put it all together
Speaker 7: on what you know, what makes a real bigfoot witness
Speaker 7: seem credible, what makes a phony bigfoot witness sound not
Speaker 7: so credible, and how to kind.
Speaker 8: Of tell the difference.
Speaker 7: And then we talk about other things like PTSD and
Speaker 7: and why we don't get good photographs and pictures.
Speaker 8: Well, I decided to start.
Speaker 7: Doing a scientific paper on the psychology of bigfoot witnesses.
Speaker 7: And when I got done with it, I was like,
Speaker 7: you know, I should do this on all the great
Speaker 7: questions and my philosophies and the reason why you know,
Speaker 7: when people say, you know, well can bigfoot use in
Speaker 7: for sound? Well can it? Let's do the research on it,
Speaker 7: let's look it up, let's take some sources, and before
Speaker 7: you know it, in the book, I have forty nine
Speaker 7: separate scientific papers broken up into three separate categories, with
Speaker 7: an introductory scientific paper and an epilogue scientific paper which
Speaker 7: it'd be very quite. The introductory one is basically making
Speaker 7: a case for a bigfoots as or creating a scientific
Speaker 7: profile of the Bigfoot, and at the very end is
Speaker 7: all the evidence that supports Bigfoot being a real creature.
Speaker 4: Nice, I was trying to pull the paper up here,
Speaker 4: I had it saved into my can I ask a question,
Speaker 4: You can ask all you want to, Buddy.
Speaker 5: So you've been gathering evidence of witnesses for.
Speaker 4: How many years?
Speaker 8: Since nineteen ninety eight?
Speaker 4: Okay, so this might work.
Speaker 5: I'm not sure have you noticed that at the physical
Speaker 5: representation of witnesses idea of what Bigfoot has has evolved
Speaker 5: to what is shown on multimedia and movies and things
Speaker 5: like that. Like lately, I've noticed a lot of the
Speaker 5: Bigfoot esque hype. Things all look like Harry from Harry
Speaker 5: and the Hendersons, But before that movie came out, they
Speaker 5: had a different look.
Speaker 4: It's kind of like how all the grays kind.
Speaker 5: Of look like the given alien from like Paul or
Speaker 5: the given alien from another movie or Close Encounters of
Speaker 5: the Third Kind, but originally they looked slightly different.
Speaker 4: Do you see that evolution too?
Speaker 7: No, and actuality. In New York, the Bigfoot are actually
Speaker 7: described as quite lanky. As a matter of fact, one witness
Speaker 7: I talked to last year or I'm sorry the year
Speaker 7: before last said it looked like almost like a hippie.
Speaker 8: He goes, it just was.
Speaker 7: Like kind of, you know, very longish, shaggy, you know,
Speaker 7: grayish hair. It wasn't even a brown or a reddish
Speaker 7: brown or a black they put it was kind of grayish.
Speaker 8: So I have not seen that most of that.
Speaker 7: Most of the time, we don't see that robust, hairy
Speaker 7: Harry and the Henderson's type big foot. Here in New York,
Speaker 7: we always see the lanky, which which to me kind
Speaker 7: of supports that people are all seeing the same type
Speaker 7: of creature because of the description.
Speaker 4: Well thank you, because I get a lot.
Speaker 6: I mean, me and Shawn go to a lot of
Speaker 6: these places and people come up with the stories, and
Speaker 6: I've just noticed that the narrative or what the story
Speaker 6: looks like, Like my friend Snuffy makes some really cool bigfoots.
Speaker 4: They all have that look.
Speaker 5: But he's doing it as an artist and that's what
Speaker 5: he's using it from interpreting from not just Harry, but.
Speaker 4: You know whatever.
Speaker 5: But I noticed that a lot of the people when
Speaker 5: they start explaining bigfoot, and me and Foker and Matt
Speaker 5: have had this conversation multiple times.
Speaker 4: We teach people how to fake sightings. We teach people how.
Speaker 4: We don't mean to, but we have the conversation. People
Speaker 4: listen and then they fake something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 4: But I want to know if you were catching any
Speaker 4: of that.
Speaker 7: Well, well, throughout history, you know, we you know, as
Speaker 7: you know creatures of habit, we tend to describe things
Speaker 7: like we know them. You go back to the eighteen hundreds,
Speaker 7: everybody called them wild men, right, you know, but they
Speaker 7: would describe essentially the same thing, large footprints covered in
Speaker 7: reddish brown hair or brownish hair.
Speaker 8: I've heard them described it.
Speaker 7: I've seen newspaper reports from the eighteen hundred describing them
Speaker 7: as bear men. And then you know, somebody said there
Speaker 7: was you know, gorillas loose in the woods.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: So as we got to know the known creatures, people
Speaker 7: kind of associated what they look like with them.
Speaker 9: I'm just going to say this, I really have to
Speaker 9: to interrupt here. So Steve, you mentioned about a witness
Speaker 9: stating that it looked like a hippie and these guys here. Now,
Speaker 9: my mom had an encounter, you know, back in the
Speaker 9: nineteen eighties, and she doesn't know anything about you know,
Speaker 9: but she described it as like a long stringy hair,
Speaker 9: you know, like rock type person. You know, she didn't
Speaker 9: use the term hippie, but she used the term, you know,
Speaker 9: like you know, somebody you'd see walking down the road
Speaker 9: with the long, greasy hair, And that's exactly. But she
Speaker 9: said it was a monster. It had a nape like face.
Speaker 9: But as soon as you said that, I was like, wow,
Speaker 9: that hit the nail on the head.
Speaker 4: We do have a question here from Scott the chat.
Speaker 4: Scott asked, picking up from Baker's line of thought, do
Speaker 4: you feel though that there are enough stories out there
Speaker 4: now that people could create a credible sounding report without
Speaker 4: a personal experience.
Speaker 7: Well, one of the things I try to do is
Speaker 7: educate people, because yeah, people can create credible sounding stories,
Speaker 7: but they fall apart upon questioning, and a lot of times.
Speaker 8: Even the stories break apart.
Speaker 7: And I'll give you a great example from the famous case,
Speaker 7: the bigfoot peeper case, where the guy had filmed this
Speaker 7: thing in the window originally this is before and he
Speaker 7: had the pictures. You know, he's saying he sat there
Speaker 7: and filmed it for seven minutes.
Speaker 8: Then his wife came in and screamed. So then.
Speaker 7: I put my camera down and I got my gun. Well,
Speaker 7: why why would you film it for eight minutes? And
Speaker 7: then because your wide screams, you feel the need to
Speaker 7: get your gun. You know, if what I've tried to
Speaker 7: do is try to take it from a like a
Speaker 7: criminal psychology type of work, look at the the pre
Speaker 7: offense behavior, of the offense behavior, and the post offense behavior,
Speaker 7: and if none of it makes sense, and that obviously
Speaker 7: didn't make sense, is like, wait a minute, you're filming
Speaker 7: for seven minutes and your wife walks, and you didn't
Speaker 7: say anything to your wife, Hey, honey, look out the window,
Speaker 7: and then when she screams, then you then you decide
Speaker 7: to put your camera down and get your None of
Speaker 7: it makes sense.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So a lot of the stories.
Speaker 7: That come out that come out, and there was a
Speaker 7: recent one I just did on my show and I
Speaker 7: don't have the details enough of my head to paraphrase
Speaker 7: it too well. But again, the story did not It
Speaker 7: broke down because it did not make natural order sense
Speaker 7: or psychological sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: No, And I think you know, the frame of thought
Speaker 4: that you're on is spot on people's behaviors often a
Speaker 4: lot more telling than what they're actually saying right, and
Speaker 4: I think, you know, I think you're one of the
Speaker 4: people to teach me that a long time ago. But
Speaker 4: it's the things that aren't said that are the giveaways.
Speaker 4: And to your point, and that one, you know, I
Speaker 4: don't know how many people if you have other folks
Speaker 4: around you see something so extraordinary, you're not going to
Speaker 4: call somebody and say, hey, someone else, get a set
Speaker 4: of eyes on this, What the hell is this? And
Speaker 4: in that particular instance, you know, the wife comes in
Speaker 4: the room and screams, you know, probably didn't happen, You're right,
Speaker 4: more likely didn't happen that way. I just have my
Speaker 4: seat in my mind Steve going after that guy like
Speaker 4: George Anderson does with the guy in the bike. Do
Speaker 4: you know what I'm talking about? Like, Yeah, what you
Speaker 4: really did is got scared and ship your pants and
Speaker 4: you know, fell off your bike. He didn't touch it,
Speaker 4: you know, and it was all It's all downhill from there.
Speaker 4: But when you go through. I finally got the book
Speaker 4: pulled up here again. I thought I had it saved
Speaker 4: in my files, but it doesn't like that. And folks,
Speaker 4: I'm not kidding here when I say it's comper hints
Speaker 4: of the table of contents, though we were saying right
Speaker 4: before we came up, if you're somebody that's going to
Speaker 4: use this as a reference book, somebody that's going to
Speaker 4: use it to help them along. Steve has this framed
Speaker 4: out very well because it's broken up in sections biological, psychological,
Speaker 4: social science, and case studies furthering the research. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's all there, and I haven't made it all the
Speaker 4: way through the book yet. It's almost the size of
Speaker 4: Sasquatch Games among us. Steve, you might have the next
Speaker 4: book here to go up on the shelf next to it,
Speaker 4: But there are some very important topics that he touches
Speaker 4: on in here, and guys, there are topics that we've
Speaker 4: touched in the past, but one are the interesting ones.
Speaker 4: I want to talk to you about, Steve, camouflage, because
Speaker 4: you know we hear all the time. Is it become
Speaker 4: a woo thing or a situation where this thing kind
Speaker 4: of looks like the predator the Shimmerman scenario going on
Speaker 4: out there, But how Bigfoot just disappears or how it reappears.
Speaker 4: What's your thoughts on that. We don't have to go
Speaker 4: into the whole giveaway because we are trying to sell
Speaker 4: a book here for you. But you know, some interesting
Speaker 4: topics that I think we didn't talk about. This is
Speaker 4: well of them.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, it's kind of funny. I covered this
Speaker 7: in a couple of different ways. In one particular way
Speaker 7: in the new book, I cover it more of the
Speaker 7: animal world type of nature is that you know, there's
Speaker 7: lots of you know, creatures that adapt, including jimpanzees, gorillas, orangutans.
Speaker 7: They have natural camouflage. They blend just like a deer.
Speaker 7: A deer blends toe into the forest. You hear a
Speaker 7: lot of times people see a deer cross the road.
Speaker 7: As soon as it goes into the forest, you look
Speaker 7: as you're driving by, you don't see it. It didn't cloak,
Speaker 7: it didn't jump into a portal, it didn't shape shift,
Speaker 7: it didn't it didn't turn into the predator. It just
Speaker 7: naturally blends and with the fauna. Now, if you add
Speaker 7: a little bit of the psychology element of that, now
Speaker 7: you're seeing something and your mind is stuttering a little
Speaker 7: bit to figure out what am I looking at? And
Speaker 7: by the time you're looking it's gone and you've completely
Speaker 7: lost your kind of bearing on it. So there's a
Speaker 7: lot of normal reasons why Bigfoot disappears.
Speaker 8: Into the woods.
Speaker 7: It's not because its shape shifts or it's translucent or
Speaker 7: any of that. There's a lot of stuff that that
Speaker 7: you know, obviously our metabolism or primate metabolism is not
Speaker 7: high enough to do those sorts of things. That's you know,
Speaker 7: is basically claimed by the WU factor.
Speaker 4: Well we sorry, go ahead, Jis.
Speaker 5: We had this actually same discussion multiple times. Was So,
Speaker 5: I'm digging a hole for my golf course, my mini.
Speaker 4: Put and I'm putting in one of those plast liners
Speaker 4: and I'm digging. I got a pick axe, I'm digging everything.
Speaker 5: There's a deer behind me, maybe as close as the.
Speaker 4: The behind me is from where I am.
Speaker 5: He's been there fifteen minutes that I can think of.
Speaker 5: There's a deer across the thing. They both see me
Speaker 5: the whole time, but I didn't recognize they were there
Speaker 5: until the one deer decided to make enough noise that
Speaker 5: I heard him. And I think that's what people don't realize.
Speaker 5: Also is is because we're walking into their territory, they're
Speaker 5: aware we exist, and then we acknowledge their existence, but
Speaker 5: by then they already have.
Speaker 4: Oh, Hey, Bob's over there, Steve's over there.
Speaker 5: I'm watching him, but I also know my exit planned
Speaker 5: if Steve notices me, and.
Speaker 4: I don't want to interact anymore.
Speaker 5: Where you're just like, oh, you're here, and then they're gone,
Speaker 5: and you're like, oh, it's got to be It's not magic.
Speaker 8: They've planned that whole interaction right now.
Speaker 7: Now, just picture that being a primate doing that, not
Speaker 7: an ungulate.
Speaker 8: How much more smarter is that going to be?
Speaker 9: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Right?
Speaker 4: And one of the things I appreciate about again going
Speaker 4: into the book is in each one of these sections,
Speaker 4: each one of these papers, you do have it chimpanzees, gorillas, right,
Speaker 4: You have known animal behaviors and no animal characteristics as
Speaker 4: a reference point in there. So you do a lot
Speaker 4: of the homework for the people that are reading this book,
Speaker 4: which is, you know, the purpose of you actually are
Speaker 4: writing a scientific paper people like you, you know, give
Speaker 4: a damn about and want to learn something from. Particularly,
Speaker 4: the camouflage is important because I think you touch in
Speaker 4: there too on you know, the type of hair, hair
Speaker 4: coloration it you know, the coloration being important because of
Speaker 4: how easily it can blend into the environment, the natural
Speaker 4: environment Banker, you're talking about deer. You know that deer
Speaker 4: is the perfect color to blend into the area around it.
Speaker 4: Why would a bigfoot be any different in that respect?
Speaker 4: Bears are that way, other animals that reside in the
Speaker 4: wilderness are that way. But now think about it, what
Speaker 4: was the was it the now I'm losing my train
Speaker 4: of thought here, But there was an animal whose hair
Speaker 4: is designed pretty much to kind of take on that
Speaker 4: characteristics or you know, reflect that coloration, and you know,
Speaker 4: make it maybe it's a bear right that, you know,
Speaker 4: make it even more susceptible than you in No, you're right,
Speaker 4: because I think it was you that brought brought it
Speaker 4: up to me bakery and got me the zoo books
Speaker 4: when I was good, and that's where he ended his
Speaker 4: uh his education. You make you make a perfect point?
Speaker 5: Is The thing with the deer is, though, is like
Speaker 5: I was.
Speaker 4: In their habitat.
Speaker 5: I was making all kinds of noise, so they knew
Speaker 5: where I was exactly, and I had no clue they
Speaker 5: were stalking at me. If it would have been a
Speaker 5: bear or something huger than wanted to kill me, I's
Speaker 5: done because I haven't noticed.
Speaker 4: Until they come at me. But just like most people
Speaker 4: that have an encounter with a big foot, you're just
Speaker 4: doing everyday things. You're not doing anything out of the ordinary.
Speaker 4: I was just watching this one of these last episodes,
Speaker 4: I think was Skyline Sasquatch. They were talking to Mike
Speaker 4: Lucci and we were talking to Mike on the video,
Speaker 4: and Mike's like, you know, when I looked at all
Speaker 4: these reports, at least over sixteen percent of these reports
Speaker 4: were driving encounters, people seeing these things as they're driving.
Speaker 4: You know, when most folks, unless you're us and you're
Speaker 4: out there with the express purpose of trying to look
Speaker 4: for bigfoot, aren't out there trying to find bigfoot. They're
Speaker 4: just doing their normal, everyday thing. And I think when
Speaker 4: they stumble upon a bigfoot, I really believe it was
Speaker 4: because the bigfoot made a mistake.
Speaker 7: Now, you know what, I don't think that's necessarily true.
Speaker 7: I think the bigfoot's just going about is a lot
Speaker 7: of times, like you have the roadside crossings and stuff
Speaker 7: like that, that's just a.
Speaker 8: Bigfoot doing their things.
Speaker 4: That's normal thing, right.
Speaker 8: I don't think they made a mistake.
Speaker 7: I think it's just a complete happenstance, Like because a
Speaker 7: lot of times the Bigfoot looks just as surprised as.
Speaker 4: We do in most situations. And I could see to
Speaker 4: that point. I think what I'm talking about is some
Speaker 4: of these more like obscure in the woods type sightings.
Speaker 4: Maybe not so much the roadside one, Steve, because I
Speaker 4: think you might have a point there. But these things
Speaker 4: are seen accidentally, and that would be the hence it's
Speaker 4: surprise too, like Wow, I can't believe my slip yap
Speaker 4: and screwed up. But then there's these reports, you know,
Speaker 4: these things stepping out of portals and these things. And
Speaker 4: I just had an interview earlier today and the host
Speaker 4: was really pressing on some of the more paranormal aspects
Speaker 4: of this, and fairly he had a lot of, you know,
Speaker 4: interesting questions like how do we know it's not true
Speaker 4: because we can't, Steve, you make this point in your book,
Speaker 4: like it's not I'll let you make your point again.
Speaker 7: Well, the biggest thing about adding the paranormal aspect to
Speaker 7: this is something called anthropomorphism.
Speaker 10: Right, we tend to assign human thought processes, human behaviors,
Speaker 10: and human.
Speaker 7: Motives to animals that are not humans. We cannot even
Speaker 7: do that with chimpanzees. And I just finished up another book,
Speaker 7: What would Sasquatch Do Too, which is coming out in April. Again,
Speaker 7: very much like this book, except for it's a little less.
Speaker 7: It's not written like a scientific paper or sorry, a
Speaker 7: series of papers. It goes in different chapters. It discusses
Speaker 7: the behaviors of that, and I discuss anthropomorphism in that
Speaker 7: as well, and we can very easily assign, you know,
Speaker 7: and admittedly there were some primatologists that originally had anthropomorphosized
Speaker 7: some chimpanzee behaviors and then they realized who we were wrong,
Speaker 7: It was actually the and why they were doing this
Speaker 7: was because of this like you always hear that thing, Well,
Speaker 7: if you kill this asquatch, if there's a dead body,
Speaker 7: you better look out because they're going to be coming
Speaker 7: back for revenge. Revenge is as a human motive, right right,
Speaker 7: that's anthropot morph as an animals in wildlife, including chimpanzees,
Speaker 7: don't have this revenge motive.
Speaker 8: I'm gonna get I'm gonna get even with this guy.
Speaker 8: They just don't have that.
Speaker 4: Steve, we have another question from Scott. Scott asked do
Speaker 4: you feel that as we have become more civilized, our
Speaker 4: ability to see animals or be aware of creatures in
Speaker 4: nature has decreased. By being able to see deer bigfoot
Speaker 4: in their natural habitat, have we distracted ourselves to the point, Steve,
Speaker 4: that we can't even notice them when they are around?
Speaker 7: It depends again. It's I'll give you a great example.
Speaker 7: We are attuned to our environment, all right. You ask
Speaker 7: somebody that grew up on the streets of New York City.
Speaker 7: They can stand on the street corner if somebody shady
Speaker 7: comes walking around the corner, they're gonna know it in
Speaker 7: a heartbeat.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 7: If you grew up in the woods or the forest,
Speaker 7: you're gonna know when something is a mess. So it
Speaker 7: doesn't have to do with necessarily our intelligence or losing something.
Speaker 7: It just happens to where our natural habitat is. The
Speaker 7: forest is no longer our habitat. It's it's the urban
Speaker 7: jungles that are our habitats now, right.
Speaker 4: Fair enough, folks were at that time of the mid show,
Speaker 4: We're gonna take our break, folks. You're listening to the
Speaker 4: Sasquatch Experience showing Forker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Henry May
Speaker 4: with our guest tonight, Steve Coles Vince Nesbit is out
Speaker 4: for the evening, but he did leave us with this
Speaker 4: nice little ditty, so we'll catch on the flip side, folks,
Speaker 4: stay tuned.
Speaker 9: New Steam A symbol.
Speaker 8: I want a dog. You guys have dogs? You got dog? Hell?
Speaker 11: Yeah, man, you're right under my nose this whole time.
Speaker 11: You got two dogs. One of them is husky and
Speaker 11: ones an Australian shepherd. What is it a lab? And Okay,
Speaker 11: I wasn't close at all, but you have an energy
Speaker 11: that's like you know what? Sure, that's what I got?
Speaker 8: Man? Ah.
Speaker 1: Yes, fur babies. You know our friends, the far Georgio's
Speaker 1: they lost a fur baby family member, and all of
Speaker 1: us here at the Sasquatch Experience want to extend our
Speaker 1: condolences to Eric and Carrie far Georgio. Iggy was a
Speaker 1: good pup. And on that note, happy Monday night to
Speaker 1: you all. As the cold wind and snow blows, but
Speaker 1: out of Ohio there was an Ohio hunter could not
Speaker 1: believe his eyes when he ascended his tree stand and
Speaker 1: spotted what appeared to be bigfoot bounding across a field.
Speaker 1: Witness Andrew Bonn reported the possible sasquatch sighting, which occurred
Speaker 1: on the afternoon of December twenty eighth near the community
Speaker 1: of Mansfield, Ohio. He reported this to the BFROO late
Speaker 1: last month. While appreciating the expanse of view provided by
Speaker 1: a newly installed tree stand, the hunter recalled he suddenly
Speaker 1: caught sight of something unusual off in the distance. Quote
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Speaker 1: fast moving across a wide open field. The peculiar biped
Speaker 1: creature he observed took fast, big steps, not running, but
Speaker 1: still covering ground faster than someone should. It seemed very odd,
Speaker 1: Bonn explained, and explained excuse me that he noticed the
Speaker 1: mysterious figure because it was dark in color, which caused
Speaker 1: it to stand out from the wheat field it was crossing.
Speaker 8: Quote.
Speaker 1: I was looking for deer and saw this thing, the
Speaker 1: hunter wrote, and I almost freaked out. I would have
Speaker 1: freaked out. Bond subsequently descended the tree stand to allow
Speaker 1: his stepfather a chance to see the creature, but it
Speaker 1: had vanished into the woods before he could catch a
Speaker 1: glimpse of it. A follow up investigation by Matt Moneymaker
Speaker 1: found the sighting report to be credible, the Sasquatch researcher
Speaker 1: specified and pointed to Bond's observation of the creature moving
Speaker 1: with brisk strides rather than full out run as an
Speaker 1: indication that the figure could very well have been a
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Speaker 7: I spoke at the twenty I think I spoke that
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Speaker 4: You had to look at one of his posters in
Speaker 4: the water. I did, Steve and I even before we
Speaker 4: came on air tonight. We forget which conferences we've gone
Speaker 4: to because we've gone to so many, and that's one
Speaker 4: of the downsides to knowing each other for so long,
Speaker 4: but being around you have to remember it. Once upon
Speaker 4: a time there weren't so many conferences. Now there's almost
Speaker 4: a different one a weekend, which is not necessarily a
Speaker 4: bad thing, because you know, we want this to be
Speaker 4: a you know, a lucrative experience. Oouch, damn it again,
Speaker 4: a lucrative experience for everybody. But it's just a lot.
Speaker 8: Is that Mike spring loaded?
Speaker 4: I don't know what you know. I switched boom Arms
Speaker 4: tonight because it the old one just wasn't cutting it.
Speaker 4: But every time I turn around, I smacked myself in
Speaker 4: the face of the boom. Here comes the boom. That's
Speaker 4: gonna be the new tagline for the show, Big Thanks. Anyhow,
Speaker 4: back to the important thing Steve called. So we were
Speaker 4: before we went on break. We were talking about camouflage
Speaker 4: and had some good discussion around that. But a couple
Speaker 4: more topics that I think we have to go into
Speaker 4: Steve is you know, you have an interesting piece on
Speaker 4: vocalizations in there, and vocalizations are interesting, right, And I
Speaker 4: like how you break it down and you give associated
Speaker 4: primates with the type of calls they're known for and
Speaker 4: what they mean. And when we were on another show,
Speaker 4: you and myself and Eric Altman, we were on Billy
Speaker 4: Willard Show Sasquatch Watch Radio. We were talking about communication
Speaker 4: and I think you and I are pretty much aligned
Speaker 4: here on on communicating and I think it does kind
Speaker 4: of relevate to the intelligence that they hold.
Speaker 8: Right, Yeah, I mean they are are intelligent.
Speaker 7: They may not have as an extensive communications set as
Speaker 7: we do. They don't write things, right, you know that
Speaker 7: that is a whole other level. They're not seen, you know,
Speaker 7: I know there's a lot of people that think, oh, well,
Speaker 7: they speak like a language such as this or that.
Speaker 7: But if you compare them, you know, if you compare
Speaker 7: that again anthropomorphism sting into that theory as well. But
Speaker 7: the other thing is, we don't see them using fire,
Speaker 7: we don't see them using complicated tools. You know, if
Speaker 7: they're going to actually have an advanced language such as US,
Speaker 7: one would think or you know, some people say, oh,
Speaker 7: it sounds like a native American language or whatever.
Speaker 8: You know, if they were to have.
Speaker 7: A language, you would think they would be a little
Speaker 7: more far along the evolutionary chain, using fire, using a
Speaker 7: little more complicated tools, they would be in the next
Speaker 7: step of evolution.
Speaker 8: But they're not.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree with that. And the different types of
Speaker 4: primates and the different types of vocalizations that they use.
Speaker 4: You've what have you noticed in similarities between sasquatch and
Speaker 4: known primates.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, from what the biggest thing I've noticed
Speaker 7: is the hoots, the whoops, the whoops and the hoots.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: Myself and I was out a couple of years ago
Speaker 7: in my research area, one where I've had two sightings
Speaker 7: my own self amongst other people over the years It's
Speaker 7: where the Ford m cast came from.
Speaker 8: It's, you know, where my primary research area.
Speaker 7: A couple of years ago I was out there with
Speaker 7: with Mike Lucci and Alex Pettakov and a filmmaker by
Speaker 7: the name of Eric Swanson, and Eric had his recorders
Speaker 7: going thank goodness, and I am in the camp and
Speaker 7: Alex and Mike and Eric are on the roadside and
Speaker 7: I start, I start, I whistle a couple of times
Speaker 7: and I go, come on, fellas, I've been coming up
Speaker 7: there for twenty years. You know who I am. Come on,
Speaker 7: just make yourself known. And you know, within two and
Speaker 7: a half minutes we get a whoop call and it
Speaker 7: was recorded by Eric and it was clear as day.
Speaker 7: So they do respond. And again that's ante morph advising
Speaker 7: a little bit on my end by speaking English to them,
Speaker 7: but I figured they know my voice. They hear me
Speaker 7: for the last twenty years of going to this research area,
Speaker 7: and in twenty ten through twenty thirteen, they were very
Speaker 7: responsive when they would hear me. I would always come there.
Speaker 7: I've always came there and announced myself. And very similar
Speaker 7: to the way Jane Goodall did it with the chimps
Speaker 7: and the way Dianne Fosse did it with the gorillas.
Speaker 7: Is you got to make yourself known. If you keep
Speaker 7: making yourself known and they realize you're not a threat,
Speaker 7: then they're liable to kind of warm up to you
Speaker 7: a little bit.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 4: Well, it's kind of no different than cats or dogs. Right.
Speaker 4: They may not understand a lick of our English, but
Speaker 4: they sure do understand our tone, they understand our intent. Right,
Speaker 4: And while it's not we don't anthropomorphosize them, we do
Speaker 4: kind of in a way where we give the more
Speaker 4: attributes that they understand a lot more than they actually do, right,
Speaker 4: And I think think it's healthy to try to, you know,
Speaker 4: project some of that. I several times going on a.
Speaker 7: Really interesting note, Sean, this is something dogs that do
Speaker 7: that chimpanzees cannot, and that is do you know dogs
Speaker 7: are born with the ability to look where we point
Speaker 7: in their DNA. Interesting, They puppies will do it. You
Speaker 7: start pointing at a puppy and the puppy will look.
Speaker 7: But they've tried it with wolves, they've tried it with foxes,
Speaker 7: and they've tried it with chimpanzees and none of them
Speaker 7: do that.
Speaker 4: And it's just probably from domestication through DNA. It's a DNA, right, Well,
Speaker 4: you know we've often talked about that kind of response.
Speaker 4: You know, we have a embedded response to certain situations. Right,
Speaker 4: it's almost like a learned behavior that's been you know,
Speaker 4: a DNA passed through. Right, Why would that be any
Speaker 4: different from dogs? And we've been domesticating them for thousands
Speaker 4: of years, so, like, it's not new. I think that's
Speaker 4: fascinating though I didn't know that until it said that.
Speaker 8: That's why you're like, but again, though, you know.
Speaker 4: That's not projected, that's proven, right.
Speaker 8: That's evolution. It's just how they evolved.
Speaker 4: Matt Henry Bank, any questions for Steve Here in the
Speaker 4: vocalizations category, you're muted, Matt, almost unmuted.
Speaker 8: There you go, there you go.
Speaker 9: No, I was just gonna say the whole thing with
Speaker 9: the pointing thing. I know my dog every time I point,
Speaker 9: she doesn't look that way. Yeah, she's she just does
Speaker 9: her own thing.
Speaker 8: What kind of dog.
Speaker 9: It's a pug, just like oh yeah yeah, yeah yeah yeah.
Speaker 9: If I had food there, maybe she would she would
Speaker 9: do that. But uh so you go into the differ
Speaker 9: different type of vocalizations through prime eates what was besides
Speaker 9: the whoop? What other vocalization do you think is key
Speaker 9: for Sasquatch.
Speaker 7: I think the biggest one is not so much the
Speaker 7: scream because they're from a distance. The vocals I like
Speaker 7: to hear are the ones that are closer by the
Speaker 7: whoops and probably a grunt or two.
Speaker 8: Now.
Speaker 7: I caught a one, believe it or not, on my
Speaker 7: recorder back in twenty ten. And what we did is
Speaker 7: I left a recorder going in the camp and we
Speaker 7: left the camp to go walking. And within a half
Speaker 7: hour of that recorder being there, something you could hear
Speaker 7: something walking up to You can hear leaf litter movement,
Speaker 7: and you just shar this. So the grunt thing is
Speaker 7: very you know, that's more of a to me. It's
Speaker 7: more of a curiosity thing to them, you know. But
Speaker 7: the whoop, their whoops, the reason why they're so important
Speaker 7: is that is their way of checking in, you know,
Speaker 7: and if they're gonna whoop, but yeah, they're just checking in,
Speaker 7: and that means you're looking at a more friendly encounter,
Speaker 7: you know.
Speaker 8: And in my in my research area, we.
Speaker 7: Had and I'm going to give away a little secret,
Speaker 7: I have a bonus in what would sasquatch do coming out.
Speaker 7: It's a series of pictures where we actually got a
Speaker 7: profile of what we believe is one of the creatures.
Speaker 7: We got an eve shine as it's walking by us,
Speaker 7: just one eye, just one eye, and you actually have
Speaker 7: a series of two pictures. We heard it and I
Speaker 7: had a flash camera. This goes back to twenty I
Speaker 7: think twelve. But as they get to know you, we
Speaker 7: would constantly have this movement in towards our camp. We
Speaker 7: would go out, they would move back, and then we
Speaker 7: would go back to camp, and then they would come
Speaker 7: back in and this would go on all night long,
Speaker 7: you know. And there would be times we had walk
Speaker 7: down the roadway and we would be parallel, parallel, we'd
Speaker 7: hear something walking on both sides of the road with us.
Speaker 7: To the point where I came back and I sent
Speaker 7: my son and his buddy down.
Speaker 8: I go to a walk down. Let me know what.
Speaker 7: They came back and something was following us on both
Speaker 7: sides of the road, Like uh huh. So you get
Speaker 7: this case, and that was the whole goal at that time.
Speaker 7: We were really building that interaction. But over the years,
Speaker 7: something terrible happened was called the pandemic and what happened
Speaker 7: is everybody went to the woods, and for the last
Speaker 7: couple of years it's been really quiet there, but then
Speaker 7: all of a.
Speaker 8: Sudden it's starting to pick up a little bit again.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, that's a good point though, the increased
Speaker 4: activity of folks going into the wilderness because it's the
Speaker 4: only place you could go. You know, I had to
Speaker 4: have stirred up, you know, and pushed them away or
Speaker 4: pushed them further into these spots that they do go to.
Speaker 4: It made a big difference, I think, or Matt and
Speaker 4: I because we live in such we research in such
Speaker 4: a remote area. I think we were lucky, Steve, just
Speaker 4: because population density there weren't a lot more people going
Speaker 4: to these areas. You know, we're not the areas we
Speaker 4: search aren't really a state park in a park, but
Speaker 4: it's not an area people go. There's no attraction to
Speaker 4: go there outside of hunting season. Would you agree with that, Matt, Like,
Speaker 4: there's nothing really driving folks there.
Speaker 9: Arbitrarily, Yeah, I mean this area here, it's so remote
Speaker 9: and it has the area where we're at, we're right
Speaker 9: next to the largest roadless area in Pennsylvania. So really
Speaker 9: the only people that come up there are you know,
Speaker 9: fisherman hunters and you know people camping and backpacking. And
Speaker 9: when people backpack, they're just staying on the trail. They're
Speaker 9: not going off trail. They're not going into the into
Speaker 9: the deep hollows that you know I've been exploring. And
Speaker 9: but the problem is is that there's so many of
Speaker 9: them up there that it's like looking for a needle
Speaker 9: in a haystack.
Speaker 4: Oh good god. Well you can get lost, Steve, just
Speaker 4: by driving the back roads if you didn't have an
Speaker 4: expert like Matt uh Take. We have to get you
Speaker 4: up here or down here to our area. You know,
Speaker 4: Steve's to the north of us. We have to get
Speaker 4: him out to the area. We just had Alex and
Speaker 4: Mike Lucci there last year, and they've been coming out
Speaker 4: with us because it's an area of high interest. I think, Yeah,
Speaker 4: we'd like to see you get out.
Speaker 7: You got you guys got to come up to the
Speaker 7: Adiron to accident fall time, yea, and come up to
Speaker 7: my research area because it's always there's always something that
Speaker 7: goes on, you know, not always.
Speaker 4: But we we have to. We have to. I'm a
Speaker 4: I'm a big fan of squatching. When the weather's a
Speaker 4: little cooler. I'm getting a little older and a little fatter,
Speaker 4: so don't exactly enjoy the humidity if you catch the drift.
Speaker 8: And that's the other thing too.
Speaker 7: In that particular part where I'm at, the peak season
Speaker 7: seems to be August, September, October, November and dies out,
Speaker 7: you know, through mid December.
Speaker 4: Right now, Why do you think that is? Do you
Speaker 4: think the activity dies down, Steve and they go to
Speaker 4: areas where it's a little bit more temperate, or do
Speaker 4: you think it's because there's not a lot of people
Speaker 4: out there to report it?
Speaker 8: Well, the reason why I think, I mean, I'm not
Speaker 8: sure the reason why they go to that particular area
Speaker 8: in the first place. But if you look at.
Speaker 7: The dynamics of the area, you have the you know, Whitehall,
Speaker 7: New York, which is the Bigfoot capital of New York,
Speaker 7: right and it's nestled in between the eastern side of
Speaker 7: the Adirondack State Park and the Green Mountain National Forest.
Speaker 8: Now in the Adirondacks.
Speaker 7: In the fall time, by the winter time, all the
Speaker 7: trees in that part of the Adirondacks, which is maple
Speaker 7: birch oak, they all lose their leaves so there's no cover,
Speaker 7: but the Green Mountain National Forest is you know, deciduous
Speaker 7: fir trees and evergreen. So I think what happens is
Speaker 7: we think we've noticed there's a movement in the springtime
Speaker 7: into the Adirondacks, and in the fall time it's back
Speaker 7: to the Green Mountains, or right by December, I should say,
Speaker 7: it's back to the Green Mountains. And what's in the
Speaker 7: crossairs Whitehall, New York, which is why they have so
Speaker 7: many sightings.
Speaker 4: Right, it's Matt. You were kind of on this last
Speaker 4: episode of Skyline Sasquatch. Yeah, the Adirondack Bigfoot Files. You
Speaker 4: kind were talking about that yourself, but you know about
Speaker 4: the the transversing of the Appalachian Trail, but also the
Speaker 4: you know, I don't want to call it migration because
Speaker 4: it's really not migration but movement Sasquatch movement. Ye, which,
Speaker 4: by the way, folks, if they haven't, they got to
Speaker 4: check that out.
Speaker 7: It's actually it's actually a seasonal migration, and it is
Speaker 7: you know what it is common amongst primates. We did
Speaker 7: it as Aboriginal Native Americans. You know, they had their
Speaker 7: summer homes and their winter homes too, So right, it's
Speaker 7: it's the beautiful thing about primate behavior. It's constant amongst.
Speaker 8: All of the great apes.
Speaker 4: Ye, more info for you folks. That's why we like
Speaker 4: to have people like Steve on the show to help
Speaker 4: educate some of the dumb ones like us, Henry, what
Speaker 4: do you got see? You're popping there? Brother, he's muted. No,
Speaker 4: hold on a second, I think, Henry, hold on, try
Speaker 4: that again, Mulla me testing testing, Now, we gotcha.
Speaker 12: Oh okay, No, I had a statement and I wanted
Speaker 12: to make about how people get into the wood and everything. Well,
Speaker 12: you know, the lad John Green said he didn't feel comfortable.
Speaker 12: He didn't he didn't feel there's anything attractive about bringing
Speaker 12: about solving one mystery by bringing in another mystery, which
Speaker 12: I ever to agree with.
Speaker 7: Well, you know, the the amazing thing about that is
Speaker 7: it is attractive to a lot of people for the
Speaker 7: fact is it gives them an out or a way
Speaker 7: to explain everything.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: Well, the reason it's paranormal, you know, it's trying to
Speaker 7: explain something without explaining it. And I think for some
Speaker 7: people who are like Eric Becher, for example, who was
Speaker 7: a flesh and blood guy, right, but he's so anthropocentric,
Speaker 7: meaning that he thinks that his species is the smartest
Speaker 7: of them all. No, right, that that that's the reason
Speaker 7: why we get because they're they're smarter than us. They
Speaker 7: are you know, they can do all this magical stuff,
Speaker 7: and that that will explain away why we can't find them.
Speaker 8: And that's just not good enough.
Speaker 4: That's just the one thing that always frustrates me about
Speaker 4: that is there's no proof whatsoever anywhere about all these claims.
Speaker 4: Folks make that attribute to these behaviors. What other creature
Speaker 4: transversus dimensions? What other creatures speak to us telepathically like
Speaker 4: what other It's not documented, it's not proven, and so
Speaker 4: why try to spin these ridiculous notions to something that
Speaker 4: we have a hard time proving in flesh and blood terms.
Speaker 4: To people, I mean, yeah, there are many of us
Speaker 4: that know this thing exists or would like this thing
Speaker 4: to exist, and are comfortable making that statement. But to
Speaker 4: the overall general public and to the scientific community, it's
Speaker 4: not accepted as fact. That and when you put those
Speaker 4: things out there makes us look even lunier than looking
Speaker 4: for giant apes out in the woods. Like it doesn't help.
Speaker 7: The problem is is they listen to certain people who
Speaker 7: have illusionary superiority. And what happens is they begin to
Speaker 7: believe in what they are hearing, and then they become
Speaker 7: what we call something called they have cognitive dissonance. They
Speaker 7: don't want to listen to scientific fact. They totally reject
Speaker 7: the facts as they see them. You know, you see
Speaker 7: cognitive dissonance when it comes to the Catchum study. You
Speaker 7: see Melba instead of taking what other scienceists are saying,
Speaker 7: instead you have her say it's a conspiracy against me.
Speaker 7: You know, it's very apparent that you know. And you
Speaker 7: couple that with illusionary superiority, where a veterinarian thinks they're
Speaker 7: a genetics expert, and you begin to see a trend.
Speaker 7: And what happens is you get a bunch of people
Speaker 7: that follow these people, and then they begin to.
Speaker 8: Pile on it. Before you know it, you have a
Speaker 8: religion more than you have a science.
Speaker 4: Right, and that gets dangerous and it becomes cult like it.
Speaker 4: And it's not that I begrudge anybody steve from having
Speaker 4: their own opinions. That's fine. It's when you start forcing
Speaker 4: them at people and saying things with such certainty that
Speaker 4: it becomes offensive and it becomes detrimental to the work
Speaker 4: the rest of us are trying to do, and it's
Speaker 4: where it just doesn't it's not where it belongs. We
Speaker 4: do have a comment here, I'll pull up from Ron
Speaker 4: Meldrum explaining Bigfoot mysteries with WU is like saying your
Speaker 4: cell phone works on magic right. Well, you know, I
Speaker 4: guess if we showed these cell phones to the you know,
Speaker 4: unindoctrinated or folks that don't know that technology exists, it
Speaker 4: would be magic right. Isn't there an Arthur C. Clark
Speaker 4: quote around that or a quote from someone around indistinguishable
Speaker 4: from magic?
Speaker 7: Today's science was yesterday's magic, right? And I forget what
Speaker 7: movie they came from. That was a quote from a movie.
Speaker 4: Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic, Arthur C. Clerk.
Speaker 4: I knew he did. He had a quote on that somewhere,
Speaker 4: and that's true. I mean, but you know, we're not
Speaker 4: talking about us being ignorant to technology. We're talking about
Speaker 4: you know, not having either not having the ability to
Speaker 4: detect it with our current technology, or that we're just
Speaker 4: making shit up because it sounds cool And maybe we
Speaker 4: saw it on an episode of some science fiction show
Speaker 4: and thought it was a great thing to add.
Speaker 7: To Bigfoot, if I may, If I may add one
Speaker 7: thing too, And one of one of my biggest pet
Speaker 7: peeves is people assuming that Bigfoot knows what a trail
Speaker 7: camera does, or an audio recorder does, or any of
Speaker 7: that stuff. That is anthropomorphism to the highest extent. They
Speaker 7: have no clue what a trail camera does.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 7: If anything, they may see a foreign object can be
Speaker 7: leery of it just for that fact.
Speaker 4: Steve magic is fake Steve or good friend Steve who's
Speaker 4: a magician. He's a magician, so he could say that.
Speaker 4: And we've had that.
Speaker 5: Discussion here multiple times about trail cams and things like that,
Speaker 5: and a lot of it isn't as much that it
Speaker 5: understands how these things were is you change their environment
Speaker 5: when you put it up, you know, And I have
Speaker 5: proof from a trail cam. I have that when I
Speaker 5: put the trail cam up, all the deal all the
Speaker 5: animals flock to it because I changed the environment.
Speaker 4: The spells are different. I move things around.
Speaker 5: They want to know why they didn't care what the
Speaker 5: box was.
Speaker 4: They wanted to know why that tree was important to me.
Speaker 7: Well, the other thing, too, is who the hell says
Speaker 7: they didn't see it putting it up in the first place, right,
Speaker 7: And now they're wondering, is this some sort of trap?
Speaker 7: Is this some sort of because understand what they're learning
Speaker 7: from us, A lot of the stuff they learn from
Speaker 7: people that interdict into their habitats or hunters. Correct, So
Speaker 7: what they're learning is why is their avoidance of humans
Speaker 7: because they're used to seeing humans and their habitats hunting
Speaker 7: other animals and when we start setting things up, they
Speaker 7: get leary of them, and rightfully.
Speaker 8: So that is proper primate lodge that can abstract bought.
Speaker 4: Yeah, we used to talk about that quite a bit
Speaker 4: back in the old days, Steve. You know, they got
Speaker 4: used to anytime they pull something out to point it
Speaker 4: towards them, they're waiting for a boom. You know, they're
Speaker 4: not waiting for like why would you stick around wait
Speaker 4: for something new a human to come out and take
Speaker 4: your picture. Every time they pull something out on you,
Speaker 4: it ends up burt hurting something or killing somebody out right,
Speaker 4: And that's just truth.
Speaker 8: Guys.
Speaker 4: We're here at the end of the show already, Steve,
Speaker 4: when's the book coming out? For folks already asking that question?
Speaker 8: It comes out in March first.
Speaker 4: March first, to get your copy? Where can they get it?
Speaker 7: At min It'll be on Amazon, and I'll have the
Speaker 7: link on my website as well as soon as it
Speaker 7: comes out.
Speaker 4: Your two websites for folks that want to check you out.
Speaker 7: Steve Well, I just have the one main website website
Speaker 7: at Squatchtective dot com, but there'll also be a link
Speaker 7: on any of my beginning March. The first show after
Speaker 7: March first, we'll have a link. I think Sunday is
Speaker 7: March second, so Sunday night we'll have the link in
Speaker 7: the show description as well.
Speaker 4: All right, and they can go listen to uh, they
Speaker 4: can go watch Squatch Detective TV, Squatch DTV s team.
Speaker 4: Where can they check it out?
Speaker 7: Aut uh YouTube dot com for slash at Squatch d TV.
Speaker 4: Man, this hour went by too quick. We got to
Speaker 4: do this again, my friend, Absolutely anytime, Henry. Any final
Speaker 4: thoughts there, my friend.
Speaker 12: Well, as far as the cult aspect, I don't want
Speaker 12: to mention any names of cultist and bisup for their
Speaker 12: initials are Matthew Johnson.
Speaker 4: Did I say that Henry throwing shave, spitting facts and
Speaker 4: throwing shade to night Henry may he's ordering, he's ornering
Speaker 4: Matt Bake. Any final thoughts, I'm coming.
Speaker 9: On, go ahead, and Matt no, I'm gonna say the
Speaker 9: from what I saw from the book, I'm definitely gonna
Speaker 9: get a uh, get a copy and a hard copy
Speaker 9: of it, and it's definitely a fascinating read, so you know,
Speaker 9: and a lot of research into that. So that was,
Speaker 9: you know, outstanding.
Speaker 5: If you send me twenty five editional dollars.
Speaker 13: Thinking, go ahead and speaking of books, Speaking of books,
Speaker 13: I'm a plug.
Speaker 12: Daniel Prince is brand new book, Bike for the Bluff Creek.
Speaker 12: This is the next look book. Highly recommend it. You
Speaker 12: can get it by emailing Daniel at PRIs nine two
Speaker 12: at sbcglobal dot net.
Speaker 8: It's thirty nine dollars fifty four cents. Heck of a bargain.
Speaker 8: Recommend this book highly.
Speaker 4: All right, ye, Steve. One question I had for you
Speaker 4: that I didn't ask, did you learn anything new while
Speaker 4: you were putting this book together?
Speaker 5: Yes?
Speaker 7: And what it was I actually forgot because I've already
Speaker 7: ingrained it into my learning.
Speaker 8: But I know it had something to.
Speaker 7: Do with with with burial with because one of the
Speaker 7: topics I cover is bury you know, do sasquatch bury
Speaker 7: their dead? And a lot of times, you know, my
Speaker 7: standard argument was that again that was something humans did,
Speaker 7: and if we buried their dead, we'd be finding their
Speaker 7: bones because burying preserves them. But how do you explain
Speaker 7: if they die in the winter time in the northeast
Speaker 7: the ground is so hard, right that how would they
Speaker 7: dig them up? You know, how would they would They
Speaker 7: would expend so much energy to do that that it
Speaker 7: would be counterproductive to an animal in the wild, which
Speaker 7: the reason why we are and why primates, other primates
Speaker 7: don't do that because they're in the wild.
Speaker 4: There's times we don't dig graves because the ground so frozen. Absolutely,
Speaker 4: and we have machines to do that. Steve, my friend, again,
Speaker 4: a pleasure. Thanks for coming on with us.
Speaker 8: Oh anytime, Thank you. I had a great time, guys.
Speaker 4: Thanks my friend. Folks, you've been listening to The Sasquatch Experience.
Speaker 4: Sean Foralker, James Baker, Matt Arner, Henry may our guest tonight.
Speaker 4: Steve calls. Thanks for listening to Henry take us out
Speaker 4: with those dulcet tones.
Speaker 8: I'll be good, it'd be good.
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