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Speaker 1: Hi, This is June Gaston from Colorado Springs, Colorado, and

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I play at Chair Triage golf Course. Golf Smarter number

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four hundred and eighty three, published on April seven, twenty fifteen.

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Speaker 3: It's an old joke with golf pros.

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Speaker 4: The student company said, well, if I could just get

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that bof off the tee closer to the whole and

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we said, well, that's conceptually you have the idea, right,

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and they go, what do you mean? I said, well,

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I'll give you twenty yards off every tee, but my

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guess is you probably.

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Speaker 3: Won't beat your last golf scorer.

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Speaker 4: Now what do you mean, Well, I'll give you twenty yards, right,

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So you give the guy twenty yards, but it's on

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the same line that he hit it. So if it's

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going towards the right rough, now it's deep in the

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rough at twenty more yards and if it's in the

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center of the.

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Speaker 3: Fair, and then he gets twenty yards closer.

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Speaker 4: Right, But most people really wouldn't improve that much with

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the extra twenty yards. Surprisingly for most people that they

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would actually struggle just as much. So the reality is

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when they start doing and that's my coaching is going

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in that direction is more I would say, real time assessment.

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what you did inside of fifty yards.

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Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast. John. Thanks, Fred,

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good to be here. It's great to see you again.

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Tell me what's going on in your life. I appreciate

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you coming here today because I know that you're leaving

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town first thing in the morning.

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Speaker 3: Right, yep, where are you going?

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Speaker 1: I'm going to a golf tournament and you're playing, You're

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not watching.

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Speaker 3: I'm playing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the first time I've played in about seven months.

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Success in September, first golf tournament for me. I got

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a little accident, little injury. So I'm coming back from

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that and trying.

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Speaker 1: To and what is the what's the tournament.

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Speaker 4: It's the Senior PGA Northern calis Senior PGA Match Play Championship. Okay,

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so members of the PGA of Northern California who also

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happen to be members of the National PGA Club Club Professionals.

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It's our senior section championship. And it's match play, okay.

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So there's a match play right now and then later

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the summer there'll be a stroke play version of it.

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Speaker 1: And you've you've played in this tournament, yes, in the past,

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And how have you done.

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Speaker 4: I lost two years ago, I think in the semi finals,

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played okay. The year before that I had lost in

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the quarterfinals. So and then last year I didn't play

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for some reason. I don't know what it was.

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Speaker 1: But you have experience in two PGA Tour tournament place.

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Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, it's been a while, but I've played a

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lot of tournament golf the last seven or eight years

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has been a little bit less than probably than I thought.

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Speaker 1: I would have because you're focusing on teaching.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I had another business too, as we've talked

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about before, in the golf industry, and I sold that.

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Now I'm back to focusing on teaching and coaching full time.

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So you know, it's hard to ride two horses, but

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I'm trying to. It's it's a challenge to keep it

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in perspective, but it's actually good for me, I think,

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in the sense that I'm kind of getting in the

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zone where my students kind of come from, and that's

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probably a healthy thing.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, very much.

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Speaker 1: So tell me no, but you have some PGA tour experience.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I played full time after leaving UCLA. I

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thought I'd go into the insurance business and that was laughable.

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So that lasted for a couple of years, and I

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kept playing amateur events and kept playing better.

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Speaker 3: This is a footnote to that.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's every guy from my golf team basically

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is still playing golf.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, you know.

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Speaker 4: So it's like I was like the fifth man on

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a college golf team, and I thought, surely a fifth

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man has to go go work for a living, not

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play golf. Not that golf's not work, but you know

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that type of work.

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Speaker 3: So but I did. I went out and.

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Speaker 4: Worked for a brief period of time in the insurance business,

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which I trained to do, and found myself playing better

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and better in amateur events. So I pursued a golf

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career and made that decision in nineteen eighty one to

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be a full time no, let's see eighty three, to

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be a full time golf professional. I guess eighty two

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or something, and I just haven't looked back since then.

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I've stayed in the golf world as a golf professional,

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and I was able to play overseas South African tours,

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Canadian tours, a little bit in the South Pacific, a

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little bit in Mexico, a little bit in OURPGA tour.

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Speaker 1: Tell me about that. That's where I'm trying to get too.

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Speaker 3: Well, Okay, what did you go? Well?

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Speaker 4: I so back in the earlier days, I'm trying to

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think what they called it before the Hogan Tour. I'm

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a dinosaur. So before the Hogan Tour, which then became

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some other tour, Nike Tour, and then it became the

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web dot Com tour. It was called the uh what

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was it called? For about three or four years, they

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actually canceled it lasted. That's how Tom Lahman got on

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the regular tour. A lot of guys came from that tour.

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They played ten events. They were all one hundred thousand

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dollars and.

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Speaker 1: One hundred thousand dollars person person.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, there wasn't much to play for.

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Speaker 4: Quite frankly, I thought they were charging you on no, no, no,

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it was one hundred thousand dollars person. There was ten

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of them, and if you did well enough, you could

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actually I forget how it worked, but I think the

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top ten money winners were exempt of the tour finals.

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They didn't even give you a tour card. I don't think.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: It's been a long time. I certainly was not one

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of those guys, but I played enough of them. I

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played a few of them, a few cuts here or there,

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but nothing of any I was better on my home

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turf in southern California.

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Speaker 3: Competing in events, and I did okay. In Canada.

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Speaker 4: I never won, but I had a couple of seconds. Well, yeah,

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that's that's impressive.

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Speaker 3: Too. Yeah, you know, I was, I was a tournament.

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Speaker 1: Golf is just to me, it's it's like it is

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what parody is about, right, you have to have parody.

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There's yea. I love dynasties in any sport. I think

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dynasties help a sport. But you really, you you may

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get that once in a generation in professional golf, you

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get a person who dominates the tour.

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Speaker 4: Oh well, yeah, that's you know, as Malcolm Gladwell would

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call them, they're the outliers. They're just different people and

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there's no uh they don't fit into uh they don't

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fit into categories. They create categories.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're talking about Tiger Arnie Jack, you know, I

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, if you go there, I mean

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one of the first first, you know, as a professional

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golfer in our country. Byron Nelson certainly was for a

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period of time, Ben Hogan was, and they all had

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different characteristics. I honestly think Byron Nelson could shoot lower

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scores than anybody in the history of the game for

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quite a while. I mean he shot he posted some

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numbers that were I think for a long time he

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had the lowest single year stroke average on the PGA

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Tour for like fifty years until time, right, I think

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it was like sixty seven point something or sixty eight

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or sixty seven, and I mean he was, Well, that's.

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Speaker 1: That's so interesting that even today, with all the advancements

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and all the you know, the the change in fitness

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and and the body types and the distance, and still scores.

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Speaker 3: Are not decreased.

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Speaker 4: And the average score, yeah, from the PG eight from

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the PGA Tour to the amateur golf and somebody could

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probably I'm just going a little bit off my past knowledge,

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and you know, cause stats are so I don't have

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Siri with me right now, but I can honestly tell

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you I don't think the scores have dramatically decreased that

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much in either category. And I honestly say an amateur

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golf if if at all, really you know, the the

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amount of subject, you know, there's just not that many

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people shooting that much lower golf scores. And let's classify

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that for a minute. Courses are not as well conditioned

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today than they were today. They're not I mean then

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they weren't as well conditioned exactly, and so greens were

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a little bit slower, but they were bumpier, so putts

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didn't go in as easy. But then again you could

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be more aggressive. Like we saw last year at the

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British Open. You know, you saw some greens that were

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rolling kind of pretty standard stuff, you know, tens, you know,

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rolling on what we call a stint meter. I don't

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think anybody knows really what not many people have ever

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used one or seen one in their life, but everybody

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talks about a stimpt meter. I have my own personal

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stint meter, and that's your brain right.

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Speaker 1: No, No, Actually, what I do is when I go

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to the practice putting green, I'll take three strokes. I'll

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try to find a flat spot on the practice putting

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green and I'll take three strokes. I won't even look

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at the ball once it leaves the putterhead. I'll just

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keep my head focus, taking just my normal stroke, and

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then I'll walk it off. Yeah okay, and then I'll go, okay,

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today it's a six, or it's a you know, and

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it's a lot with advertre or it's an eight, and

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Speaker 3: Are going to be right that day.

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Speaker 4: So anyway, the Stint meter was by a guy named

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a Stimp and it's it's it looks like an old

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hot wheels track and it has a dimple in it

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and you lift it up slowly and we just yourself

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on the hot.

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Speaker 3: Wheels track, you know that. Pardon and dated yourself on wheel.

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Speaker 4: They're still cool, hopefully they're coming back, hopefully, And there's

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Speaker 3: There's an app for that.

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Speaker 4: And when you lift it up, it rolls off and

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if it's on a flat green, the distance that it

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rolls and they take the average of so many but

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and you know, greens vary. That's sort of my specialty,

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but they vary over a period of time. But yeah,

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so the game is changing, and so we have Hogan

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that I think was probably one of the most precision

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driven players ever in the game. And he overcame some

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extreme difficulties. You know, as we know, he was hit

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and get a car accident, hit by bus and greyhound

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bus and so he was a different type of guy.

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He hit the ball and his career changed a little bit.

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a long driver. I don't know if people remember that

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for a guy who was one hundred and forty pounds,

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he could just smash it.

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Speaker 3: If you go from.

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Speaker 4: Power Golf to to the five Easy Lessons or five

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Speaker 3: Deal with that.

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Speaker 1: Why are so many people obsessed with trying to find

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this secret to Ben Hogan?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think it was one of the first times

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we saw on golf. I mean, Bobby Jones was similar,

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that we hadn't quite seen before. And so I think

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that was one of the things. And his record was

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pretty impressive, you know, his ability to win majors and

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respond to the moment for major championships was tremendous, and

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when you watched him, it was like, you know, it

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was like and again to date myself, I mean, it

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was like it was a car.

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Speaker 3: Every shot was a carbon copy.

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Speaker 4: I mean one of the things you a lot of

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people will not really recognize, but we now can we

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can track with launch monitors is elevation and our shot

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arc And with Hogan, his shots were so consistent coming

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off the face, So he would hit a seven iron

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every time.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it wouldn't.

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Speaker 4: Vary on its on its trajectory, and drivers were the

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same way, and if he wanted to, he did. And

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the stories are analyst about him. I happened to spend

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a lot of time at one point in my early

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right before I turned pro, with a man named and

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after I did shortly seventy nine, eighty eighty one, eighty

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two eighty three, with a guy named John Shlee, who

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Ben Hogan befriended for some unknown reason, except that Shelee

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approached him one day and said, I'd like to take

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lessons from you, and no one did that. I mean,

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it was like, what have you just done?

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Speaker 3: You just talked about Hogan? What did you do? That's crazy?

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Speaker 1: You know you can't say that to mister Hogan, right,

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Speaker 4: There was like a islands in the room, like you know,

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like it was this huge faux pa. And so a

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couple of years later, Hogan approached him and said, John,

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how you play it? You're talking to me, mister Rogart,

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and you know, I've been following your career, you're following

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my what.

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Speaker 3: So?

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Speaker 4: Uh And sure enough they became close friends, and so

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he spent a lot of time down and down in

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Dallas playing.

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Speaker 3: With it was either Preston Trail or whatever wherever they played.

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Speaker 4: Shady shitty oaks, I think, but they spent a lot

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of time and uh, he had some very interesting stories

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and almost none of them have to do with mechanics.

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Speaker 3: Really, Yeah, what does he talk about?

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's so interesting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's where you know, and that's for me

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as an instructor.

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Speaker 3: That's what I like.

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Speaker 4: You know, I'm a I like just haven't been involved

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in sports at different times in my life and sort

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of a I wouldn't say not fanatic, maybe I am.

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I love sports, you know, like Tomorrow nights pretty.

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Speaker 1: Much the national holiday, right, the national championship, a national championship.

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Speaker 3: It's a national holiday. I mean, you know, for me,

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I mean, I just.

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Speaker 1: That's another conversation.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right.

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Speaker 4: But what I'm saying is is behavior wins, see, you know,

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and we saw it last night. You know, we saw

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two matchups of some two classic teams and the guy Wisconsin. Yeah,

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the guys that were able to impose their will on

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the other team one five years from now, where we

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see how many of those guys in Wisconsin playing in

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the NBA and how many guys from those Kentucky playing

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in the NBA. Yeah, Yeah, you just gave a pretty

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good number there, and I think you're probably pretty close

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to right.

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Speaker 3: And but last night, Uh, the guys from.

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Speaker 1: Wisconsin, the Badgers, Yeah, the Beedgers, Badgers, the Edgers, the Panger.

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Speaker 4: They were able to impose their will on some Wildcats,

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right and uh and they won. So Hogan, I think

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that's one of the impressive things about him, was able

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to impose his will on a golf course. One of

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my mentors was a man named Eddie Marin's still pro

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emeritus a bel air, Yeah, and my coach at UCLA,

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and I started taking lessons from him in the mid seventies.

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Oh that's a hot wheel thing I just did myself.

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So anyway, but mister Marrin's is a tremendous instructor. And

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I remember one time he told me I had transferred

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there from a Division two school to finish up my

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career in college golf, and I was transferred into a

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team that had you know, they were number one in

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the country and their second team was probably number two,

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so maybe not quite but pretty close. And and I

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I was playing pretty well, you know, in the fall schedule.

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I played okay, and I was kind of on the

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border making the traveling team in the spring. And he

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says to me, John, he says, listen, Son.

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Speaker 3: There's four areas.

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Speaker 4: There's four there's four things you need to do at golf.

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He says, if you learn how to control yourself, you

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can you can control the club. If you control the club,

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you can control your shots. If you control your shots,

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you have a moderate amount of control over that golf course.

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And if you focus on those things, those first three things,

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you can slightly impose your will on the course. Otherwise

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the course is going to dictate the terms to you,

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and you want to be on the other end of

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that stick if you want to play your best golf.

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So Ben Hogan was sort of the epitome of that.

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He was able to impose his will on golf courses

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because he could determine. And getting back to John Shlee,

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I remember Slee took me out one day and we

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were talking about driving and he says, what's going on

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with your game? And at this time I was a

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club champion I think at Industry Hills where he was teaching,

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and we went out and played, and he said, you know,

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I was having trouble with my driver one day and

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I asked mister Hogan about how I can improve my driving,

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and he says, well, John jumping the cart with me,

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and they jumped out and they went out on the

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golf course and he says, see this dibot. That was

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my dibbot this morning. He said, see the dibbot five

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feet right of that. That was my dibot this afternoon.

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The problem with that is my spot that I was

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picked out was twenty feet left of that. I hit

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both of these bat Then he went the next hole

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and literally he was picking out spots in the fairway

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where he wanted his ball to end up, and the divot.

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Speaker 3: Was pretty much with it.

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Speaker 4: You know, He's picked out sides of you know, dark

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spots and light spots in the fairway. He wasn't aiming

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at trees and trying to hit lines. He wanted his

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ball to end up like his nine iron right. He

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was picking blades of grass well basically. I mean, he

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was you know, we I'm gonna take it over that

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right edge of the bunker. Hogan was like, no, I

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want the ball to land, and I want it to

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end up there, right because from there, that's the shot

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I want into the hole. Right that that's the shot

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that I like the look of that shot, you know,

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or the shot plays better for me, or it's an

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easier shot in you know, if you got a front

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left pin, being being short left and in between clubs

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is not a good place to be. Maybe being on

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the right side of the fairway not in between clubs.

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the left if you can drive.

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Speaker 3: It away up there.

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Speaker 4: But hitting the three wood to the right side of

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the fairway might open Might it open open it up

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for you a little bit? You know, It just depends.

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And it's everybody has their shot patterns that they like

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to play. But he was a master of that. And

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I think that's so behavior wins, and so those who

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can practice, Like for like, I'm trying to get ready

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for a golf tournament, and you know, that's a brain

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that I got to kind of crawl back into and

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tournament preparation is a little bit different than normal practice. Well,

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you kind of want to recreate like I'm I'm trying

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to get I'm trying to look at my wedges right

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now and see what my distances are. And so I

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with a launch monitor, now I can practice in real time.

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I can practice. I can get.

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Speaker 3: Results that are actual, real.

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Speaker 4: Not just oh I think I'm hitting at eighty four

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yards with my fifty two degree sandwich or fifty four

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or whatever. No, I'm actually hitting eighty seven. That's the

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number when I bust this thing. And for me, I'm consistent.

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I can stand there and hit twenty eighty seven yard

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sandwiches in a row, I mean literally within a yard

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of each other if I hit it solid. And so

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I want to know what I'm doing, and so when

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I practice, I want to practic just kind of a

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little bit like I'm playing. So I want to know

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the yardages I'm trying to prep by what yardis am

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I currently hitting shots right now? And I want to

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roll some pots, put a little real time pressure on

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my stroke on the putting green. So I have a

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few drills that I used, nothing complex, but just trying

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to kind of get ready to get my brain ready

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for I was going to say, it's not about the mechanics,

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not really, no, no, And like I was given a

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lesson yesterday to a promising young twelve year old boy,

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and he's got some talent, and nobody actually introduced to

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him the idea of a preshot routine, and he had

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he'd kind of figured it a little bit out of

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all on his own, you know, because he's got some

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he had some skill and.

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Speaker 1: A twelve year old yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and he's got some skill already, you know, he

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can go out and shoot. So we were talking. He

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comes to me, this is you'll love this one. So

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he says, you know, I think I want to work

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on my driver today. And I go really, oh, okay,

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well what's going on with your driver? And he goes, well,

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I played didn't play too well the other day. I go,

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w'd you shoot? He goes, well, I had a really

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tough day. It was kind of windy and cold. But

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I shut forty one at mckinnis or forty two or something.

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I said, okay, well tell me about the round that's

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a par thirty thirty two, right, yeah, And it wasn't.

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It wasn't his best round, but because I think he

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shut close to par there a few times. But yeah,

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or maybe he's even broken, but he can play much better.

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So I said, well, tell me about the round. I said, okay,

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so I hit a good drive. I hit a drive

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off one and kind of on the wrong side of

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the fairway. I didn't hit it quite as long, but

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I had wedge in and I said, okay, what'd you

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hit on the next hole? I had wedge in the

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next hole. I said, what'd you do on the third hole?

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I missed the green? So what'd you hit next? For

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the second shop? I had wedge pretty close, but I

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didn't put so well. And we go through things and

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I said, okay, so so far during this nine hole,

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as you're telling me, you had nine shots inside of

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ninety five yards, okay.

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Speaker 3: And how many pets did you have? Oh? I had?

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Speaker 4: I had twenty three pots. So you had thirty two

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shots with a wedge and a putter.

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Speaker 3: Wow.

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Speaker 1: Again McGinnis as an executive little golf course. Right, it's

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part three, but there are three. It's the number one,

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three number four.

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Speaker 3: There's like five part three's six or four or five

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part three.

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Speaker 1: Four four four parts and four part four is four

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part fours. Yeah, four part fours and five part Three's right.

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Speaker 4: So the point I was trying to make to them

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was if you want to be better, your behavior has

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to become better and then your golf swing gets better. Okay,

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so I said, so when you practice, practice the things

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that you're not doing well enough on the golf course.

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Speaker 1: Why would anybody want to do that? Why would I

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want to go practice things that I can't do well?

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I want to hit the ball, like.

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Speaker 4: Most people go to the golf course and they have that.

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For them, golf is an activity. It's not a process

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of getting better. They think it's a process of getting better,

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but they're actually just doing an activity because they have

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no idea what actual behavior will actually make them better.

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They don't know how to practice. So if you want

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to hang out with somebody that plays really quality golf,

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you will find that they practice more efficiently. They practice

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the things that are that they need to improve upon

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because they through determination of skill and knowledge, they determine

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and maybe today technology they're able to determine their inefficiencies

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for them, and they'll practice things that may draw upon

476
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for the next tournament. That like courses might require a

477
00:22:36,519 --> 00:22:39,079
little more driving accuracy, or might require a little more

478
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,920
wedge play, or might like this week, we got a

479
00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,960
gusta coming up. So lag putting becomes number one, speed

480
00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,240
control becomes imperative, and iron control becomes number two. And

481
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so those are you know, things that you need to

482
00:22:51,400 --> 00:22:52,880
be blow the hole, you need to.

483
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Speaker 3: Have uphill putts.

484
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Speaker 4: You don't want to put yourself position where it's really

485
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tough to two putt right, let alone one putt. So

486
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so with this young man, we said, you know, well,

487
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thirty three shots with the do you think that's really

488
00:23:07,640 --> 00:23:08,480
the problem the driver?

489
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Speaker 1: Hmmm, what do you think he probably didn't have that

490
00:23:12,839 --> 00:23:14,559
many shots with a driver.

491
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Speaker 3: Well, no, he didn't.

492
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Speaker 4: But but the point is is, you know he he

493
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had like nine wedge I mean of the holes of

494
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all the par fours he had wedge in.

495
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Speaker 1: Yeah.

496
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Speaker 4: So and they are a long hole. I'm just saying,

497
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in his mind, he's thinking he wants to drive it

498
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:30,880
longer and hit it longer. And I know that's standard

499
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for a young twelve year old thinking he wants to

500
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hit it further and our farther. I think it's the

501
00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:37,640
quick pest, but we all do. Yeah, And and and

502
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we all think that, and that's that's one of the ironies.

503
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It's an old joke with golf pros. But the student

504
00:23:43,200 --> 00:23:45,000
comes to he said, well, if you know, if I

505
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,440
could just get that ball off the tee closer to

506
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the hole, you know, And he said, well, that's conceptually

507
00:23:51,319 --> 00:23:53,799
you have the idea, right, and they go, what do

508
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:57,000
you mean. I said, well, I'll give you twenty yards

509
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off every tee, but my guesses you probably won't beat

510
00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,720
your last golf score. What do you mean, well, I'll

511
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,240
give you twenty yards. Okay, that's all right. So you

512
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:10,119
give the guy twenty yards, but it's on the same

513
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,839
line that he hit it. So if it's going towards

514
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the right rough, now it's deep in the rough at

515
00:24:16,039 --> 00:24:18,519
twenty more yards, and if it's in the center of

516
00:24:18,519 --> 00:24:20,200
the fair and then he gets twenty yards closer. Right,

517
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But most people, really they don't. They wouldn't improve that

518
00:24:23,839 --> 00:24:26,640
much with the extra twenty yards. Surprisingly, for most people,

519
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:30,079
they wouldn't. They wouldn't that they would actually struggle just

520
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,240
as much. So the reality is when they start doing

521
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and that's my coaching is going in that direction is

522
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:38,400
more I would say real time assessment I'm offering a

523
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,119
product now to my students called shot by Shot which

524
00:24:41,279 --> 00:24:44,000
analyzes your game in real time and you do it yourself.

525
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,160
It's real simple. You rate your drives one through six,

526
00:24:46,519 --> 00:24:48,119
did you hit the green, did you not hit the green?

527
00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,400
And then we find out what you did inside of

528
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:55,319
fifty yards and you know, it's real simple stuff. And

529
00:24:55,599 --> 00:24:58,119
from that there's like a three hundred thousand round database

530
00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,519
and we can kind of drive some of the amazing

531
00:25:00,559 --> 00:25:04,799
stats that will help you doing short game challenges with

532
00:25:04,839 --> 00:25:08,000
people finding out. So most people really have no idea

533
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:09,680
how far they can carry it. If you ask them

534
00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:13,160
to carry a forty four yard shot, no, they wouldn't

535
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,000
know what that really is and they and they probably

536
00:25:15,039 --> 00:25:16,519
wouldn't make solid enough contact.

537
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Speaker 3: So that's that's the.

538
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 4: One area where the instruction does have to be. You

539
00:25:21,279 --> 00:25:24,759
have to get people. The most important thing any golfer

540
00:25:24,799 --> 00:25:29,920
can ever do, ever, unequivocally ever is find the low

541
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,519
point of his arc. And he can consistently do that.

542
00:25:33,519 --> 00:25:35,119
That defines the quality of the player.

543
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Speaker 1: If you want to, I need to tell because I

544
00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:38,720
want to clarify this arc of your.

545
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Speaker 3: Swing or arc of the ball flight, arc of your swing.

546
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: Okay, the low point.

547
00:25:42,559 --> 00:25:44,799
Speaker 4: The low point because the golf balls hit first, and

548
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:47,759
the bottom right, the bottom, the bottom of your arc

549
00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:51,920
is for all players of lower handicap or you know,

550
00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,240
the lower the lower lower, it's between probably an inch

551
00:25:55,319 --> 00:25:57,720
and almost two inches in front of the ball. So

552
00:25:57,960 --> 00:25:59,640
everybody thinks they hit the ball and then the club

553
00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:01,920
moves up up Now with a driver, I will I

554
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,519
will verify that.

555
00:26:03,599 --> 00:26:05,880
Speaker 3: There's there's two schools of thought in this.

556
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,200
Speaker 4: Most of the launch monitors will tell you the best

557
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:10,920
players in the world who just slight me up on it,

558
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,720
and I think that's true. But the drivers are deeper

559
00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:16,720
now and they're different, so.

560
00:26:16,759 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 3: Technically center of gravity, yeah, the pushback.

561
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 4: So so your arc is it's a little I haven't

562
00:26:23,039 --> 00:26:25,079
quite my brain hasn't wrapped around that one. I'm not

563
00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,119
maybe quite that quickly smart enough.

564
00:26:27,200 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 1: So so professional players, the better players, the bottom of

565
00:26:31,519 --> 00:26:34,559
the arc is in front of where the ball is setting.

566
00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:40,000
That's correct, and for most amateurs, most of os, it's

567
00:26:40,319 --> 00:26:43,240
that's why so many people hit the ground first, you know,

568
00:26:43,279 --> 00:26:45,640
because there is it now, is that a set up

569
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position or is that.

570
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, we can follow my thought. Let me

571
00:26:50,599 --> 00:26:52,160
follow with my thoughts mechanics.

572
00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,799
Speaker 4: So so with the short game, you know what good

573
00:26:55,839 --> 00:26:59,720
players do is they control their ball after it lands. Right,

574
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:03,039
the best wedge players in the world control their ball

575
00:27:03,200 --> 00:27:06,880
after it lands. First of all, they know. I think

576
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,920
I've told you the story before, but I had an

577
00:27:08,960 --> 00:27:13,759
illuminating story when I was about let's see what year was.

578
00:27:13,799 --> 00:27:16,440
It was nineteen seventy seven, so whatever. I was eighteen,

579
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nineteen years old and I have this illuminating moment. I

580
00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,400
go up to a golf club near my house to

581
00:27:21,799 --> 00:27:24,160
drop off some stuff and there's Hubert Green on the

582
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driving range.

583
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Speaker 3: It was basically, if.

584
00:27:28,359 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 4: You're a musician, it would be like walking into a

585
00:27:30,279 --> 00:27:33,039
record shop in San Mafel and finding Bono. Yeah right,

586
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:38,880
okay for me, right, it was like really, so I'm

587
00:27:38,920 --> 00:27:41,079
down there, I'm all by myself. I'm watching Herebert Green

588
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:43,079
hit golf balls. And he looks around at me and

589
00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:45,000
I'm five feet ten feet away from him, and he says,

590
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,400
are you a golfer, which you know, I guess.

591
00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,279
Speaker 3: He was just a conversation. So I said, yes, sir.

592
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,799
Speaker 4: And by the way, just people don't know this, and

593
00:27:53,079 --> 00:27:53,799
I think he was.

594
00:27:53,920 --> 00:27:56,839
Speaker 3: A purple hard guy. Twice so he has a little

595
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,200
sense of intensity about him when you talk to him.

596
00:27:59,319 --> 00:28:01,480
Speaker 4: He just you know, it's just like this piercedness, you know,

597
00:28:01,599 --> 00:28:03,400
like what he says to you, it's like, yes, sir, yeah,

598
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:04,160
I played golf, sir.

599
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 3: He goes.

600
00:28:05,279 --> 00:28:06,720
Speaker 4: A few minutes later, he goes, well, do you want

601
00:28:06,759 --> 00:28:08,480
to know why I'm the best golfer in the world?

602
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,279
Speaker 3: And I said I'd love to know. Yes, I would

603
00:28:12,279 --> 00:28:12,599
like to know.

604
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:16,000
Speaker 4: He proceeded to hit three shots with each golf club

605
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,119
in the bag at different heights and different elevations and

606
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,920
different distances and different shapes, and basically called every shot

607
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:23,079
and the finish at off he hit I'm now going

608
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:24,720
to hit a driver one hundred and fifty yards with

609
00:28:24,759 --> 00:28:28,039
a full golf swing, and which he did. And then

610
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:30,119
what really backed it up for me is he went

611
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:32,400
out and won the US Open a month later, wow,

612
00:28:32,559 --> 00:28:34,920
with a death thread on him, by the way, a

613
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,640
little little by the by Wow, which I guess was

614
00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:40,000
not you know, he understood that world pretty quickly.

615
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:42,599
Speaker 3: So waking up thinking you might die to day, then

616
00:28:42,599 --> 00:28:43,599
you got to play the us O.

617
00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, he's got to shoot you, right, Yeah, a

618
00:28:45,640 --> 00:28:48,720
couple of right, So he gets that anyway, so that

619
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for me was the first area of well, if I

620
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:52,680
learned how to control my golf ball, then I get better.

621
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 3: I say, so, it's not it's you know, it's not now.

622
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 4: I used to think it was always the arrow and

623
00:28:57,519 --> 00:28:59,599
not the always the Indian and the not the arrow,

624
00:28:59,599 --> 00:29:03,240
and now it's combination with launch monitor. The equipment's huge,

625
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:04,400
don't underestimate it.

626
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:05,039
Speaker 3: It's massive.

627
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 4: But you know, you need to match your equipment to

628
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,599
you whatever Indian you are, right, So we have technology

629
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:14,039
to be able to do that, and that's mass. I

630
00:29:14,039 --> 00:29:16,920
think that's probably the biggest change in the game in

631
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,440
the last fifteen to twenty years is being able to

632
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:25,079
the combination of the technology and then matching your game

633
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,359
to that technology to get the most out of whatever.

634
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: Skill sets you have.

635
00:29:29,039 --> 00:29:32,000
Speaker 4: But that being said, the best players control their wedge

636
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,559
game by hitting the ball consistently and in the manner

637
00:29:34,559 --> 00:29:36,160
in which they want to do it, so when they

638
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,000
make contact, it's a sound. It's a discernible sound. Maybe

639
00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:43,599
not so discernible with little wedge play, but little pit

640
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,480
shots and little chip shots. You need to hit that

641
00:29:46,519 --> 00:29:49,160
ball first, and the low point is going to be

642
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,799
slightly in front of the ball and unless you do that,

643
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,079
then you can't control the ball the way you want it.

644
00:29:54,119 --> 00:29:56,279
And you know a lot of players with their wedge

645
00:29:56,279 --> 00:29:59,680
play fight too much spin. That's the better players. Right,

646
00:30:00,279 --> 00:30:01,720
you're hitting a little shot and you don't want it

647
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:03,480
to stop. You needed to you need to roll and

648
00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:05,440
roll out. A lot of times you hit a sand

649
00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,279
wedge and all sudden, oh gosh, it stopped. I didn't

650
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,720
want it to stop. Now I got a twenty footer.

651
00:30:09,319 --> 00:30:13,559
So controlling the ball, shooge and the wedge wedge play

652
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,480
is massive. So again bringing back to this young young man,

653
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,920
twenty three pots, that's a really bad and the wedge

654
00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:23,400
play could have been a little bit closer.

655
00:30:23,519 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: So what should he be practicing? Right?

656
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,960
Speaker 4: Putting and work in the wedge and you know, twelve

657
00:30:30,039 --> 00:30:31,880
years old, why not because he's not going to get

658
00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:34,240
the distance it's going to come. His golf swing's fine,

659
00:30:34,559 --> 00:30:36,799
he'll hit it further farther whatever.

660
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:39,680
Speaker 1: I go, he's correct, and so.

661
00:30:41,079 --> 00:30:43,079
Speaker 3: He's got to do that, and so we need to.

662
00:30:43,519 --> 00:30:45,480
Speaker 4: But we the lesson I was trying to share with

663
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:49,480
him was, hmm, how do I behave how do I

664
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:50,839
react to my results?

665
00:30:51,400 --> 00:30:52,799
Speaker 3: And how do I look at them?

666
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,000
Speaker 4: And how do I educate myself on what I do

667
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:57,519
on the golf course and how do I reflect on it,

668
00:30:57,559 --> 00:31:00,119
and then how do I get better? And I think

669
00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,799
that was a great thing for me. When I transferred

670
00:31:01,799 --> 00:31:04,039
to UCLA, was hanging around guys like Corey Paven and

671
00:31:04,039 --> 00:31:07,240
Tom Pernice and Steve Pate and Jay Delson, all these

672
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,880
guys that have won PGA Tour events. Duffie Waldorf Is,

673
00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,759
they did that. They did that very well. And I

674
00:31:12,799 --> 00:31:14,480
think a little bit what happened to be mister Marrin's

675
00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:20,680
He invoked sort of that aura of behavior as the

676
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,279
lesson he gave me. But it was important to review

677
00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:27,200
what have I done on the golf course. I remember

678
00:31:27,279 --> 00:31:29,359
I was playing Mini Tours. I was struggling a little bit,

679
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,200
and I started keeping notes on my up and downs

680
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:37,000
from different distances and my ratios, and so I started

681
00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,559
noticing I had a huge gap between about forty and

682
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:41,680
about eighty five yards, and so.

683
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 3: I started working on that.

684
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 4: And the minute I did that, you know, suddenly I'm

685
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:48,039
playing in US opens, I'm finishing high and the money

686
00:31:48,079 --> 00:31:51,680
lists and professional events outside of the country. And I

687
00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:53,880
didn't do anything massively different. I just learned how to

688
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,279
manage my wedge game between about thirty five and about

689
00:31:56,480 --> 00:31:57,519
ninety yards.

690
00:32:03,319 --> 00:32:03,759
Speaker 3: That's yeah.

691
00:32:03,759 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 1: I noticed that for myself as well, that when my

692
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:07,599
start with my scores were going down, it's because I

693
00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,839
was focusing on those that distance and those shots.

694
00:32:10,559 --> 00:32:12,079
Speaker 3: Right, sot and stuff.

695
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,519
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you as an instructor, and

696
00:32:16,559 --> 00:32:19,079
you even talked about this, Every shot was a carbon

697
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:24,319
copy and you're talking about Hogan. When when students come

698
00:32:24,359 --> 00:32:27,559
to you for the first time, what are the the

699
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:32,000
two things that you hear from most students on what

700
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:35,880
they you know, like, why are you here? Distance in consistency, distancing.

701
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,440
It's just everybody says the same thing. Every instructor says distances.

702
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: Most people are pretty much I mean, you know, there's

703
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,039
there's some element of that neess to it, and some

704
00:32:47,039 --> 00:32:48,079
sometimes very clearly.

705
00:32:48,079 --> 00:32:48,599
Speaker 3: It's just that.

706
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:51,480
Speaker 1: And and what I've been noticing too so that.

707
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,720
Speaker 4: People are starting to that people are starting to say

708
00:32:54,039 --> 00:32:56,920
I get more questions now about putting than I used.

709
00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,279
Speaker 3: To interesting, and I don't know why that is, but

710
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,279
it is okay.

711
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:06,519
Speaker 1: So what I want to go after today is the

712
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:12,799
myth of consistency. I think because I think that it's

713
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:15,640
so interesting to play with people on a regular basis

714
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,640
and hear them complain about a shot that they make.

715
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:24,680
But I don't think they notice or recognize that they

716
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:29,079
complain about that shot regularly, you know. And I was thinking.

717
00:33:29,119 --> 00:33:32,119
I even wrote to somebody recently and said, try this

718
00:33:32,839 --> 00:33:35,680
on your scorecard. When you make a shot that you

719
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,119
don't like. The first time you make a shot you

720
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,200
don't like, just make a mark on your scorecard, okay,

721
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:46,200
and focus on every time that happens in your round.

722
00:33:46,359 --> 00:33:48,880
Make the mark and see how many marks you've made

723
00:33:50,319 --> 00:33:53,240
during your round to like, oh wait, I did that

724
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,799
six times today, seven times. I did that twelve times today.

725
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:59,640
So to me, that means they're incredibly consistent.

726
00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 3: Well right, I mean it's interesting.

727
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:09,320
Speaker 4: I mean, let's define consistency a little bit, or inconsistency.

728
00:34:09,679 --> 00:34:13,880
The problems they have are reoccurring, and they're the same

729
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,840
problems over and over, so therefore it is a consistent issue.

730
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,920
They view it is is that they want to be better.

731
00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:27,199
So their idea of themselves, you know, it's sort of

732
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:29,199
like it's a little everybody's a little gullible. They always

733
00:34:29,199 --> 00:34:31,039
think they're a little better than they are or it's

734
00:34:31,039 --> 00:34:33,880
a sting, you know. It's like the sting operations. People

735
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:37,679
can they believe something that they're not and so so

736
00:34:38,119 --> 00:34:40,920
that premise allows them to think that they're inconsistent. But

737
00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:42,920
when I put them on video or I put them

738
00:34:42,960 --> 00:34:45,960
on a launch monitor with Doppler radar, like we see

739
00:34:46,039 --> 00:34:52,679
players using or their swings are massively consistent, massively consistent,

740
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:55,159
I mean, there's consistent as tour pros almost.

741
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:55,639
Speaker 3: You know.

742
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:01,199
Speaker 4: The problem is is that their pad, their swing patterns

743
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,679
will create a wide a more wide variety of shots

744
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:09,559
because of their inefficiency. But the pattern of their swing

745
00:35:09,679 --> 00:35:11,440
is relatively the same way if I if I was

746
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:14,119
to put it on three D motion detector, their body

747
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:15,920
is going to be doing the same thing over and

748
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,039
over again. Their pelvis will be reacting the same way.

749
00:35:19,079 --> 00:35:22,239
Their spine angle will be the same way. If we

750
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:24,639
look at their club head moving around their body, it

751
00:35:24,679 --> 00:35:28,039
will basically follow a very consistent pattern to a certain extent,

752
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,320
especially people that have played for a considerable amount of time.

753
00:35:31,519 --> 00:35:35,320
Beginners maybe not so much, but people that are that

754
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,440
you know, have played, you know, they played enough golf.

755
00:35:38,760 --> 00:35:43,920
They think they're being inconsistent. They are consistent, they're just

756
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:50,199
consistently inefficient at creating a low point of arc in

757
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:50,880
front of the ball.

758
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,679
Speaker 1: So how do you convince these students that know you

759
00:35:53,840 --> 00:35:55,199
actually are consistent.

760
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,119
Speaker 4: Well, I put them on you, and I just show

761
00:35:57,119 --> 00:35:58,760
them the pattern of their golf club, and then I

762
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,480
take a look at their golf face of their face,

763
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:02,840
and they'll find out the worn out spots on their

764
00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:05,679
face are all in the same place. That just it's

765
00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:08,599
not it's not the sweet spot of the club.

766
00:36:10,599 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: Before and more towards the toe.

767
00:36:12,079 --> 00:36:14,199
Speaker 4: You don't get too many people missing it towards the heel,

768
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:16,559
and on a driver, it's usually high and outside on

769
00:36:16,599 --> 00:36:19,119
the toe because they're steep. They're coming steep and they're

770
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,159
coming to the club. The club is working at the

771
00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,559
top of their golf For most people, the club works

772
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:27,960
away from their body and then across their body through

773
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:29,760
the ball, which then produces sort of.

774
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 3: A chicken wing type effect. Right.

775
00:36:32,079 --> 00:36:34,159
Speaker 4: So for better players, from the top of the back swing,

776
00:36:34,519 --> 00:36:37,280
they have a little bit more depth in so the

777
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,239
club can work down and out in front of them,

778
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,320
and so the club is now working into their body

779
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,440
and away from their body, which is so it works.

780
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,639
It works sort of into their body coming down and

781
00:36:48,639 --> 00:36:51,239
then away from their body through the ball, where the

782
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,760
opposite is true for the inefficient player. It's more away

783
00:36:54,760 --> 00:36:56,760
from the body and then into the body through the ball.

784
00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,760
And so and then what also happens too, They don't

785
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,360
get enough weight forward and they don't get the weight,

786
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:03,360
the proper weight forward.

787
00:37:03,360 --> 00:37:05,679
Speaker 3: They don't get the.

788
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:07,280
Speaker 4: They don't get the So every good player and you

789
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:07,639
can see it.

790
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 3: It's classic.

791
00:37:08,400 --> 00:37:11,199
Speaker 4: It's almost classic for other sports too. But if if

792
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:12,679
you want to throw a baseball, if you want to

793
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:17,199
throw a football, and the spine leans away from the target,

794
00:37:17,639 --> 00:37:21,440
the leg and pelvis starts to lean to the target.

795
00:37:21,519 --> 00:37:24,280
So legs are leaning towards the target on the downswing

796
00:37:24,719 --> 00:37:27,320
and the spine is leaning away from the target, and

797
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,760
that creates leverage in the golf swing and that allows

798
00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:34,519
when you get that pelvis area forward through through impact,

799
00:37:34,840 --> 00:37:36,719
that allows the low spot of the arc to be

800
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:40,199
in front of the ball. Without it, it just doesn't happen. Interesting,

801
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:42,719
So it's like the kind of the comment might be, well,

802
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,960
I'm hitting off my back foot, Yeah, yeah, you are,

803
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:48,719
you know, right, And and that's what people kind of do.

804
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,320
And when when you find a person that's consistently getting

805
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:52,960
the low point of his arc in front of the ball,

806
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:58,280
his dispersion patterns will become much tighter. Okay, so we

807
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:00,639
like with the launchmutter. Now with my focope, I can,

808
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:02,639
I can look at this. So I do a lot

809
00:38:02,639 --> 00:38:04,960
of tracking of golf shots now with my students, and

810
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,360
we start looking at dispersion patterns. I recently had a

811
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:09,440
player and I wish I don't. I don't know how

812
00:38:09,440 --> 00:38:10,199
he did in the match.

813
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 3: Play this week.

814
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:12,880
Speaker 4: He's playing in the San Francisco Seniors, and and we

815
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,440
just we detected that, you know, just nothing that technical,

816
00:38:16,679 --> 00:38:20,599
but his all his all his shot patterns with his

817
00:38:20,639 --> 00:38:26,039
wedges between short wedges were short and left and and

818
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:29,639
it was a little bit of a club face alignment

819
00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:33,920
and ball placement and just intent of what he needed

820
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:36,280
to do. So a little correction of his stance and

821
00:38:36,320 --> 00:38:38,880
a little correction of ball placement, we were able to

822
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,159
get his lower his web shots more online and he

823
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,239
qualified like in the top five, I think. And he's

824
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,159
won his first two matches in this week, and I don't.

825
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:48,559
Speaker 3: Know how he did yet. So I've been com busy.

826
00:38:48,639 --> 00:38:49,119
I haven't checked.

827
00:38:49,639 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 4: But that's just because I was able to see the

828
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,280
dispersion ratio, and we were able to we his dibbot

829
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,360
was a little bit behind the ball, and we were

830
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:58,840
able to buy ball placement, were real to get the

831
00:38:58,840 --> 00:39:01,719
dibbot a little bit further forward and by moving the

832
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,519
ball around create a better, more solid impact, and he

833
00:39:04,599 --> 00:39:06,519
was able to get more control over his shots and

834
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,280
a little bit more consistency out of that.

835
00:39:09,679 --> 00:39:11,079
Speaker 3: Interesting, that makes sense.

836
00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:13,119
Speaker 1: Sure, but this is a guy who wants to compete,

837
00:39:13,400 --> 00:39:16,199
and he is competing. Yeah, I mean, but what about

838
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:19,280
the I mean when you when you have your normal

839
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,159
students right who are just out there because they want

840
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,679
they want more consistently, they want more existence, but they're

841
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,920
not going to work on it that much because they

842
00:39:27,960 --> 00:39:30,000
have enough time to play golf once a week.

843
00:39:30,039 --> 00:39:34,280
Speaker 3: You have a couple, you have a couple options you have.

844
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:37,079
Speaker 4: You can do a reality check and go to your

845
00:39:37,119 --> 00:39:39,840
golf pro like me, and find out how far you

846
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:44,159
actually hit it and what your pattern actually is, and

847
00:39:44,199 --> 00:39:48,480
then act like a real competitor and to know thyself

848
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,199
as divine, admit your weaknesses and play to them or

849
00:39:52,239 --> 00:39:53,000
around him.

850
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:54,079
Speaker 3: It's that simple.

851
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:56,280
Speaker 4: And then once you do that, you buy equipment that

852
00:39:56,639 --> 00:39:59,519
can maybe with somebody that really knows what they're doing

853
00:40:00,079 --> 00:40:03,679
can less soften those weaknesses.

854
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:05,840
Speaker 1: And you're talking about getting fitted for your class.

855
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, just don't change the swing.

856
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 4: Just just change, you know, adapt the swing with with

857
00:40:11,280 --> 00:40:12,039
with the equipment.

858
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: So it's going to be a lot harder to change

859
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,360
your swing if you're not going to be that dedicated

860
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:16,960
to it anyway.

861
00:40:17,079 --> 00:40:20,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know, swings don't change. And this is

862
00:40:20,519 --> 00:40:24,239
me as a behaviorist again, and less intention changes and

863
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:27,880
intention precedes all activity. So unless you have a clear

864
00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:31,000
knowledge of what you're trying to do, and your intention

865
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:33,679
is to do what you're trying to do, which is

866
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:37,039
the correct thing, then the pattern's not going to change.

867
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,960
So most people have no idea what they were supposed

868
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:42,079
to do with a golf club. They think they're supposed

869
00:40:42,079 --> 00:40:44,239
to hit the ball. And there's not a golf prone

870
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:45,880
in the world that thinks about hitting a golf ball.

871
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 3: Keep going.

872
00:40:48,119 --> 00:40:56,800
Speaker 5: Well, they just don't think about they think about where

873
00:40:56,840 --> 00:41:00,840
they're all to go. Yeah, the targets first, the golf

874
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,559
ball is not the target. Ball is not the target, right.

875
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:07,000
Speaker 4: So we have in so I get my students maybe

876
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:09,159
to throw a rope, I have I have them thrown

877
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,559
ropes like short ropes, thick ropes at the target, and

878
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:14,679
nine of them will throw it thirty yards left of

879
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,880
the target right away. You know, I have PVC pipes

880
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:19,559
that I haven't there. You can even throw your own clubs.

881
00:41:19,599 --> 00:41:21,239
I take them out of the fairway and have them

882
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:24,880
start throwing the car Yeah, okay, yeah. And so their

883
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:27,360
intention is to swing the club at the target. And

884
00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,039
unless that's part of the process, then then you're you're

885
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,159
gonna have You're gonna struggle.

886
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: You will.

887
00:41:32,599 --> 00:41:34,599
Speaker 4: And because there's only two things involved in hitting the

888
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:37,800
golf ball, basically from from a technical standpoint, one is

889
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,480
geometry and the other one's physics. Geometry has to do

890
00:41:40,639 --> 00:41:43,039
with direction, and physics has to do with the leverage

891
00:41:43,039 --> 00:41:46,320
and distance. So if you're swinging a club or a

892
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:49,320
rope properly and you throw it properly out at the target,

893
00:41:49,559 --> 00:41:52,039
then you're accomplishing both the geometry and the physics in

894
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:55,400
that moment. And that creates and the only way you

895
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,280
can do that is to have your legs leaning towards

896
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,719
the target, You're spine leaning away and you and you

897
00:41:59,760 --> 00:42:01,599
make and the low point of the arc. I can

898
00:42:01,639 --> 00:42:03,639
show you. I take people who would normally hit it

899
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:05,760
fat have them swing a rope and they look like

900
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,400
Ben Hogan and they've never played golf before. Literally they

901
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,440
look like they have so much leverage coming into the ball.

902
00:42:11,639 --> 00:42:16,079
It's like, Holy smokes, and what happened. One thing we've

903
00:42:16,079 --> 00:42:18,280
done is we've eliminated the golf ball because the golf

904
00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:22,079
ball gets in the way of the target for everybody, right, So,

905
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,079
and when we start doing that, think people get people

906
00:42:26,079 --> 00:42:29,440
get better. But the intention is is what's my intention?

907
00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,119
What's my relationship to the target?

908
00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:31,920
Speaker 3: Right?

909
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:35,480
Speaker 4: And so the better my relationship with the target is

910
00:42:36,280 --> 00:42:39,119
higher quality of golf shots I tend to hit for everybody.

911
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,800
So it's a target oriented game. It's not a swing

912
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:45,480
oriented game. It's not a technical you know, it really isn't.

913
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,800
At the highest at the simplest level, it's that way,

914
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,840
and surprisingly the better you play at the highest level,

915
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:51,800
it's sort of that way too.

916
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,119
Speaker 3: I mean, you have some you have some things that you.

917
00:42:55,039 --> 00:42:57,639
Speaker 4: Can draw upon as a as an experienced player, that

918
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,760
you might be able to fix in a round of golf.

919
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:07,119
But usually it's the simple stuff. It's breathing, it's a

920
00:43:07,119 --> 00:43:11,480
little more relaxation, it's getting rid of the noise.

921
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,599
Speaker 3: Right, use your head everywhere, right.

922
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:19,559
Speaker 4: It's that's the stuff, and it's it's just you know,

923
00:43:20,079 --> 00:43:24,039
not making yourself the enemy, really, and that surprisingly. I mean,

924
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:25,599
I used to have guys call me a lot before

925
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,360
tour school, and not so much and more they're getting older,

926
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,079
but but they'd call.

927
00:43:30,039 --> 00:43:31,840
Speaker 3: Me for about putting.

928
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:33,920
Speaker 4: And you know, how do I because I've historically been

929
00:43:33,920 --> 00:43:37,519
a pretty solid putter, and John, what do I need

930
00:43:37,559 --> 00:43:41,000
to do? You know, inevitably it's like, well, you need

931
00:43:41,039 --> 00:43:42,159
to stop trying to make pots.

932
00:43:42,920 --> 00:43:43,840
Speaker 3: What did you just say?

933
00:43:44,199 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 4: I said, you need to stop trying to make pots?

934
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,639
Speaker 3: What do you mean that's why I'm calling you need

935
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:51,960
to make more pods? I said, well, stop, I go.

936
00:43:52,079 --> 00:43:54,920
What do you mean? I said, your only object?

937
00:43:55,000 --> 00:43:57,079
Speaker 4: Your only job is to hit the ball, figure out

938
00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,840
what the line is, hit it on that line with

939
00:43:59,880 --> 00:44:02,920
the appropriate speed. You're not responsible for it going in.

940
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:06,360
Speaker 1: So you can't you can't be forgetting it, can't.

941
00:44:06,119 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 4: Be making the putt while you're trying to hit it.

942
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:09,920
You have to be here, you have to be present.

943
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:12,440
And this is from a guy that has a panic disorder.

944
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:14,639
So I understand the biggest thing in the world is

945
00:44:14,639 --> 00:44:16,960
being present, being accountable right here.

946
00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 1: And I don't mean to laught you, but no, no, no,

947
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:19,199
it's true.

948
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:19,800
Speaker 3: No, it's true.

949
00:44:19,840 --> 00:44:22,519
Speaker 4: So you know, uh, you know, golf has always been

950
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,320
my moment of zen, you know, because I can. I'm

951
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:27,480
much better with twenty thousand people, at least I used

952
00:44:27,519 --> 00:44:29,440
to be with twenty thousand and ten thousand people watching

953
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,480
me than I am in a hotel room in Wichita

954
00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:33,159
by myself.

955
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: You know. I mean, I'm having.

956
00:44:34,760 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 4: To read a book, I'm doing sit ups, I'm doing

957
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,840
push ups, I'm stretching, I'm doing whatever I'm reading, you know,

958
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:45,360
So being so I'm able to focus, you know, I can.

959
00:44:46,079 --> 00:44:48,119
It was natural for me to take my situation on

960
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:50,519
it with a golf ball and make what's what needs

961
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:54,119
to be accountable right here, to make the whole objective

962
00:44:54,199 --> 00:44:56,360
for most people to play better, whatever it is. And

963
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:59,000
I think, and I've played with athletes in all different

964
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:03,800
sports through my profession as a golfer. They come to

965
00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:06,679
me in pro ams, and they're all drawn to golf

966
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:09,679
for some you know reason, And I think part of

967
00:45:09,679 --> 00:45:13,199
the reason is is they realize it takes them back

968
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:17,760
to what I call the original sin, which is, you know,

969
00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:22,000
there's a little there's this thing. There's this moment at

970
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,440
some point in their lives where they decided that if

971
00:45:24,480 --> 00:45:28,000
they focused on this thing, it would captivate them for

972
00:45:28,039 --> 00:45:30,760
a really long time. And they enjoyed that process. And

973
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:34,880
they see in golf that it's unless they give in

974
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:39,480
to it, that unless they immerse themselves in the moment

975
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:43,400
like they did with their other sport, which they probably

976
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,320
can't do full time anymore, aren't doing full time, that

977
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,239
they're able to kind of do this at golf again.

978
00:45:48,280 --> 00:45:52,199
And they love that process. So guys that and women too,

979
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:55,760
and just guys, the ones that get better are able

980
00:45:55,800 --> 00:46:00,800
to immerse themselves in that moment to moment process in

981
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,960
a round of golf or even in their practice, and

982
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:06,719
there is it is a sort of meditation. It's a

983
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:10,000
meditation of what's present right now for me to do.

984
00:46:10,039 --> 00:46:14,840
And that's target oriented. That's not ball oriented, right, and

985
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,679
that's that's that's sort of like the fun process. And

986
00:46:17,679 --> 00:46:19,400
we kind of lose track of that a little bit.

987
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:23,840
So you know, I say to my amateur golfers, beat

988
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:26,679
everybody hitting a bat. And my whole motto has always

989
00:46:26,679 --> 00:46:28,440
been never let a bad golf swing get in the

990
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:29,519
way of a good round of golf.

991
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,880
Speaker 1: Hmmm, right, I'm going to write that one down.

992
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,599
Speaker 4: Right, So so you can't blame it on your swing,

993
00:46:36,639 --> 00:46:38,679
because that's just placing the blame someplace else.

994
00:46:38,679 --> 00:46:40,400
Speaker 3: That's just passing it down. You know.

995
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 4: You get to sign the scorecard. No one, No, at

996
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,039
the end of the round, no one said I had

997
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:48,719
the best golf swing this week. No, you sign your name, right,

998
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,400
they don't sign you don't sign golf swing. Oh, my

999
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:55,320
golf swing won the tournament. No, I as a person.

1000
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:56,760
Speaker 3: Won the tournament. Right.

1001
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,039
Speaker 4: We think tiger Woods golf swing changed all that much?

1002
00:46:59,079 --> 00:47:02,519
Now you think wedge games changed all that much physically?

1003
00:47:02,599 --> 00:47:03,039
Speaker 3: Probably not.

1004
00:47:03,599 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 4: His relationship to that club right now, to those clubs,

1005
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,519
to those shots has changed, but he mechanically it's probably

1006
00:47:10,519 --> 00:47:15,559
not massively changed. So so there's the art, right, there's alchemy.

1007
00:47:15,599 --> 00:47:18,760
How do I mixture that and how do I bring

1008
00:47:18,760 --> 00:47:20,800
that out of me to make it make it as

1009
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,280
good as I can? And that's where that's the fun,

1010
00:47:24,079 --> 00:47:26,599
you know, And it's always has been that way. You know,

1011
00:47:27,239 --> 00:47:30,840
the Scottish understood that in its infancy of the game.

1012
00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: Amazing, All right, John, we've come outside now to the

1013
00:47:36,159 --> 00:47:39,599
golf course that I live next to, and we're gonna

1014
00:47:39,639 --> 00:47:42,559
do You're gonna do a little tip here on consistency.

1015
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:44,280
Speaker 4: The number one thing you can do to improve your

1016
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:46,320
iron plate is make sure that the low point of

1017
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,320
your arc is in front of the ball. So one

1018
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,880
way to do this without practice, without using any golf balls,

1019
00:47:50,920 --> 00:47:53,920
find a fair way bunker, make a lion in the sand.

1020
00:47:54,679 --> 00:47:56,800
So what we're trying to do is to make sure

1021
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:58,360
our low point of our arc is in front of

1022
00:47:58,360 --> 00:47:58,719
the ball.

1023
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,400
Speaker 3: We're gonna imagine this a line. Is the ball we're.

1024
00:48:01,199 --> 00:48:03,559
Speaker 4: Gonna set up, and we're going to make a golf swing,

1025
00:48:05,159 --> 00:48:07,440
and the low point of our arc should be slightly

1026
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:08,239
in front of that sand.

1027
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:09,000
Speaker 3: Let me do it again.

1028
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 4: Now, the opposite of that would be this, See here

1029
00:48:15,119 --> 00:48:17,719
are my line here. The opposite would be which most

1030
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,519
of my amateur students do is they hit behind the ball.

1031
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:23,920
What we're trying to do is to make sure that

1032
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,280
you hit in front of the ball. Let me show

1033
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,400
you that one more time. If this is my line

1034
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,239
right here, I went the club. The low point of

1035
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:33,639
my arc to be up over there, right, so I'd

1036
00:48:33,679 --> 00:48:38,159
hit the ball first, And now I found the low

1037
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:39,239
point in front of the ball.

1038
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:42,119
Speaker 3: Let me do it again.

1039
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:46,679
Speaker 4: If you can get the low point of your arc

1040
00:48:46,760 --> 00:48:49,280
in front of the ball, your shots will go straighter

1041
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:50,920
and farther