WEBVTT 1 00:00:21.079 --> 00:00:23.280 And here we go balk to another week. 2 00:00:23.480 --> 00:00:24.879 Welcome to the Big Podcast. 3 00:00:25.800 --> 00:00:26.320 How are you? 4 00:00:27.199 --> 00:00:35.840 I'm Tom Sullivan and it is one day today is yeah, 5 00:00:35.840 --> 00:00:39.520 today is the sixth day of October, year of Our Lord, 6 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:45.159 twenty twenty five. My name is Tom Sullivan. So we 7 00:00:45.240 --> 00:00:47.719 have we have a lot to get to today. I mean, 8 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:51.479 we got I want to talk to you about. Start 9 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:55.640 off with something very simple, very straightforward. Soybean sales to 10 00:00:55.799 --> 00:01:00.679 China zero because of the tariffs. Got a soybean farmer 11 00:01:01.759 --> 00:01:05.319 who's getting killed by these tariffs. So we'll get into 12 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:10.359 all of that. We've got the national guard issue really 13 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:14.480 flaring up over the weekend. President wanted to send National 14 00:01:14.480 --> 00:01:18.280 Guard to Portland, and the judge in Oregon said you 15 00:01:18.319 --> 00:01:21.280 can't do that. By the way, it was a Trump 16 00:01:21.359 --> 00:01:27.000 appointed judge, and so Trump said, okay, let's round up 17 00:01:27.480 --> 00:01:34.239 four hundred California National Guard and send them to Portland. No, no, no, no, no, 18 00:01:34.280 --> 00:01:37.400 it doesn't work that way. You can't send any National 19 00:01:37.400 --> 00:01:40.599 Guard to Portland till we have hearing on all this. 20 00:01:41.040 --> 00:01:45.599 So he's been stopped there. Chicago, same pushback there, although 21 00:01:45.640 --> 00:01:49.879 it's really bad because the Chicago Police Department, in my 22 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:54.480 humble opinion has been caught lying through their teeth, and 23 00:01:54.519 --> 00:01:59.239 I'm not the only one saying it. They literally got 24 00:01:59.280 --> 00:02:04.519 called to go help the ice officers who were surrounded 25 00:02:04.560 --> 00:02:07.719 by a crowd that was coming after them, I mean 26 00:02:07.799 --> 00:02:12.400 slamming their cars into the ice officers, and the Chicago 27 00:02:12.479 --> 00:02:16.120 Pedes said, don't go help them. They're denying it. Now, 28 00:02:16.960 --> 00:02:19.800 I'll get through the whole thing. The guy who got 29 00:02:19.840 --> 00:02:26.319 sentenced for trying to assassinate Justice Kavanaugh got eight years. 30 00:02:27.120 --> 00:02:30.960 He'll serve six. He's a young guy. He'll be out 31 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:35.080 in a few more years. They said that the reason 32 00:02:35.400 --> 00:02:42.000 why he went nuts was because he's transitioning. Yeah, what 33 00:02:42.120 --> 00:02:45.639 else have we got here? Anyway, there's a lot to 34 00:02:45.639 --> 00:02:48.639 go over today. Let's start. Let's start with something very simple, 35 00:02:49.199 --> 00:02:52.080 very straightforward. You know, I don't like tariffs. This is 36 00:02:52.159 --> 00:02:56.919 a perfect example of it. The tariffs are killing the 37 00:02:56.919 --> 00:03:02.120 soybean industry in our country. Taylor club Ragland is the 38 00:03:02.159 --> 00:03:07.759 president of the American Soybean Association, and I know this 39 00:03:08.599 --> 00:03:11.319 is audio. You can't see him. He's a good old 40 00:03:11.360 --> 00:03:14.599 boy farmer. I mean he's in a farm hat of 41 00:03:14.680 --> 00:03:20.199 farm clothes. He's a working soybean farmer and he is 42 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.840 laying out very politely the fact that the soybean industry 43 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:25.680 in this country, farmers are getting killed. 44 00:03:26.000 --> 00:03:30.039 It's a perfect storm of high cost and low commodity prices, 45 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:35.360 and we already in a difficult farm economy, and then 46 00:03:35.400 --> 00:03:38.879 the trade war started and that's taken things from bad 47 00:03:38.919 --> 00:03:43.400 to worse. And now our biggest export customer, China, has 48 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:47.400 not purchased any soybeans from this year's crop, and that 49 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:50.919 equates to about twenty five percent of the whole American 50 00:03:51.000 --> 00:03:54.599 soybean crop this year, and we desperately need that market, 51 00:03:54.639 --> 00:03:58.639 and unfortunately we're in a standoff right now. Do you 52 00:03:58.639 --> 00:04:02.120 see a soybean field. Every fourth row of soybeans would 53 00:04:02.120 --> 00:04:06.159 go to China in recent years, and a few years ago, 54 00:04:06.199 --> 00:04:08.960 before the first trade war, one out of three rows 55 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.280 went to China. So they are a huge customer. They 56 00:04:12.319 --> 00:04:17.199 purchased more soybeans than all other export customers combined in 57 00:04:17.279 --> 00:04:22.079 recent years. So they're vital tar survival and success as 58 00:04:22.120 --> 00:04:26.040 soybean farmers, and we desperately need that market. China consume 59 00:04:26.199 --> 00:04:30.680 sixty one percent of all soybeans consumed worldwide. 60 00:04:30.120 --> 00:04:33.839 So China is buying their soybeans, but they're getting them 61 00:04:33.839 --> 00:04:37.439 from Argentina, they're getting them from Brazil. They went to 62 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:41.079 South America and they're buying all the soybeans that they 63 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:45.879 need there, leaving our farmers high and dry. 64 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:51.000 Well, right now, we're looking at situation with sales being 65 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:55.399 low and sale price being low, and we are price 66 00:04:55.480 --> 00:05:00.480 takers as soybean farmers growing a commodity and for fortunately, 67 00:05:00.560 --> 00:05:04.439 we have costs that we cannot control. And on the 68 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:08.160 flip side, we are price takers and receive what the 69 00:05:08.199 --> 00:05:12.680 market offers, and prices are far below cost of production currently. 70 00:05:12.720 --> 00:05:16.519 And it's a very bad situation and the result is 71 00:05:16.560 --> 00:05:18.439 going to be we're going to have many farms that 72 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:21.160 go out of business and are no longer able to 73 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.839 continue raising soybeans and other crops. 74 00:05:24.480 --> 00:05:28.560 So the Trump administration is talking about they haven't done it. 75 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:33.839 They're talking about maybe ten billion dollar bailout for the 76 00:05:33.839 --> 00:05:37.319 swaybean farmers here in America, but they're also talking about 77 00:05:37.560 --> 00:05:43.160 a twenty billion dollar bayout bailout for Argentina. 78 00:05:43.279 --> 00:05:49.160 Well, farmers are not in business trying to stay waiting 79 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:53.639 around for the next government bailout or disaster relief or 80 00:05:53.720 --> 00:05:58.040 whatever you want to call it. Unfortunately, the situation that 81 00:05:58.079 --> 00:06:02.439 things are in, it's probably needed in order for many 82 00:06:02.480 --> 00:06:07.800 farms to survive. But government bailouts never make farms profitable. 83 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.639 They don't make us whole, they don't make us thrive. 84 00:06:11.040 --> 00:06:14.720 What we need is strong markets, and we need the 85 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:20.360 government to remove barriers that take markets away and reduce 86 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:23.920 competition and give us opportunities where we can thrive and 87 00:06:24.000 --> 00:06:26.560 have strong markets and actually make a profit from the 88 00:06:26.639 --> 00:06:30.160 market having a level playing field. When the American farmer 89 00:06:30.279 --> 00:06:33.680 has a level playing field, is able to compete and 90 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:38.040 be fair with its competitors, we're going to win. We 91 00:06:38.079 --> 00:06:40.720 do a great job at producing. We produce the world's 92 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:46.720 safest and most abundant and most consistent food supply that's 93 00:06:46.759 --> 00:06:49.800 out there, and we just need the opportunity to do 94 00:06:49.839 --> 00:06:52.959 what we do best, and that's produce the food, fiber, 95 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:54.240 and fuel for the world. 96 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:55.160 Yeah. 97 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.759 So many times we talked about the terriffs to basically 98 00:06:59.319 --> 00:07:03.519 keep China's products from coming into the US so the 99 00:07:03.720 --> 00:07:06.680 US companies can compete. In this case, it's the opposite. 100 00:07:07.079 --> 00:07:11.079 We're trying to have a product that China has historically 101 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:15.279 bought huge amounts of every single year, and now they 102 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:20.319 are purposely penalizing the American farmer. And on top of that, 103 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:24.879 again going back to the Trump administration, they're also talking about, 104 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:29.120 like I said, this twenty billion dollar bailout for Argentina. 105 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:36.079 Well, the ironic thing in the Argentina situation is that 106 00:07:37.519 --> 00:07:41.319 the twenty billion dollars that's been proposed would be used 107 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:47.079 to halt export taxes on products leaving their country. Ironically, 108 00:07:47.600 --> 00:07:51.600 the products that would leave would be soybean's and soybean 109 00:07:51.680 --> 00:07:55.560 all and basically they would use our tax payer dollars 110 00:07:56.040 --> 00:07:59.160 in order to create a level playing field to export 111 00:07:59.199 --> 00:08:04.000 their soybean and provide further competition with US soybean to 112 00:08:04.079 --> 00:08:07.800 the Chinese market. And this gives an example of what 113 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:11.000 happens when the playing field is level. It gives an 114 00:08:11.040 --> 00:08:13.839 example of what would happen if we didn't have our 115 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:18.040 retaliatory tariffs in place to the tune of twenty percent 116 00:08:18.120 --> 00:08:21.319 with China. So I think it shows an example of 117 00:08:21.360 --> 00:08:25.879 what happens when the market can work freely. And I 118 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:30.839 personally don't want to see US giving taxpayer dollars to 119 00:08:30.920 --> 00:08:34.919 aid a competitor and further compete with American Swibean farmers. 120 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:37.960 But this shows what happens when the market is free 121 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:40.639 to work and when the playing field is leveled, And 122 00:08:40.679 --> 00:08:43.639 that's what would happen if we reduce the tariffs here 123 00:08:43.679 --> 00:08:46.519 at home. So it gives us a sneak peek of 124 00:08:46.679 --> 00:08:48.960 what the result would be if we use the same 125 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.120 policy here at home. 126 00:08:51.159 --> 00:08:54.240 I couldn't send it any better. Free trade, that is 127 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:57.440 truly the answer. And we are so far away from 128 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:02.759 free trade right now. I can't stand National Guard. Send 129 00:09:02.799 --> 00:09:06.720 them to Portland, send them to Chicago, send them to 130 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:14.600 where huge battle. And the question is an interesting one 131 00:09:14.679 --> 00:09:21.440 because I am a great believer in states rights, federalism. 132 00:09:23.000 --> 00:09:26.120 Our founding fathers argued at this and said, do you 133 00:09:26.200 --> 00:09:30.120 want the power to remain in our nation's capital or 134 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:33.159 do you want to give the power to our United 135 00:09:33.240 --> 00:09:37.600 States by giving all of them sovereignty? And that in 136 00:09:37.799 --> 00:09:43.679 the Constitution that we're writing, if it doesn't enumerate a 137 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:47.799 power for the federal government, then all other powers belong 138 00:09:48.000 --> 00:09:52.440 to the states. So I'm a big believer in not 139 00:09:52.600 --> 00:09:57.120 having centralized planning in Washington, d Z. But one of 140 00:09:57.159 --> 00:10:01.759 the things they did enumerate in the Institution was immigration 141 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:06.279 belongs to the Feds. You can't have a patchwork of 142 00:10:06.320 --> 00:10:10.320 immigration laws where one state has a separate rule than 143 00:10:10.360 --> 00:10:14.320 the other states. So when it comes to immigration, totally 144 00:10:14.399 --> 00:10:18.440 belongs to the federal government. So the dilemma that we 145 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:23.000 have found ourselves in is that you've got a bunch 146 00:10:23.039 --> 00:10:27.120 of states that say keep out, don't send your national guard, 147 00:10:27.879 --> 00:10:30.840 federalize our national guards, no, none of that sort of stuff. 148 00:10:30.879 --> 00:10:33.759 We can handle all the problems that we have in 149 00:10:33.799 --> 00:10:38.279 this state all by ourselves. Okay, I'm good with that argument. 150 00:10:38.399 --> 00:10:43.080 But the problem is is that ICE is going into 151 00:10:43.279 --> 00:10:48.879 Chicago and Portland and Seattle and Memphis and other cities Washington, 152 00:10:48.960 --> 00:10:53.000 d c. And saying, we're here to round up all 153 00:10:53.080 --> 00:10:56.240 the people that are in our country illegally. We're here 154 00:10:56.279 --> 00:11:02.279 to enforce immigration laws, and that is a federal authority, 155 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.840 not the states, and the states are pushing back saying 156 00:11:05.879 --> 00:11:08.120 don't come in here. The reason they're pushing back is 157 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:12.600 seems pretty obvious to me that it's simply because Donald 158 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:16.320 Trump is the head of the federal government. So let's 159 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.840 start where were we going to start with this? You're 160 00:11:20.919 --> 00:11:23.360 Donald Trump talking about what's going on in Portland. 161 00:11:23.759 --> 00:11:25.639 Portland's is burning to the ground. 162 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:30.879 You have agitators insurrectionists, the governor, the mayor, the politicians 163 00:11:30.879 --> 00:11:32.639 are petrified for their lives. 164 00:11:32.960 --> 00:11:34.679 And he had a shut like that. He ought to 165 00:11:34.679 --> 00:11:37.120 be a that jud ought to be a king of him. 166 00:11:38.159 --> 00:11:41.440 Actually, I know Portland pretty well, and no, it's it's 167 00:11:41.480 --> 00:11:46.039 not burning to the ground, but in a very narrow 168 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:50.600 set of blocks in downtown Portland, Antifa has gone crazy. 169 00:11:50.960 --> 00:11:54.120 They're over one hundred nights of rioting in a row, 170 00:11:54.840 --> 00:11:58.159 and the Portland police just don't seem to want to 171 00:11:58.159 --> 00:12:01.000 do anything about it. But that, as I've said many 172 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:03.840 many times, police are at the beck and call of 173 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.840 the mayor. The elected officials. The elector of the mayors 174 00:12:07.919 --> 00:12:10.399 usually are the ones who appoint the chief of police. 175 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:14.320 So the chief of police is basically an extension of 176 00:12:14.360 --> 00:12:17.480 the arm of the mayor. So they are not doing 177 00:12:17.519 --> 00:12:21.840 their job in Portland. And the President would like to 178 00:12:21.879 --> 00:12:25.440 go in there and provide troops to protect ICE and 179 00:12:25.480 --> 00:12:29.639 protect the federal facility where ICE has a detention facility. 180 00:12:30.080 --> 00:12:34.399 So that's well, let's talk to Jim Trustee. Jim Trusty 181 00:12:34.519 --> 00:12:39.720 is a former federal prosecutor and we'll get his taken 182 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.000 on what's going on in Portland. 183 00:12:42.240 --> 00:12:43.200 It may go that way. 184 00:12:43.240 --> 00:12:46.200 You know, the Ninth Circuit that is not as predictably 185 00:12:46.240 --> 00:12:48.320 liberal as it used to be, So it really comes 186 00:12:48.360 --> 00:12:51.279 down to whatever panel you get. And in the Portland case, 187 00:12:51.320 --> 00:12:54.279 you still have a more full blown hearing coming up 188 00:12:54.279 --> 00:12:56.480 in two weeks. But I think what you're seeing is 189 00:12:57.200 --> 00:13:00.480 kind of a strategic or tactical acknowledgment from the left 190 00:13:00.759 --> 00:13:02.480 that if they're going to attack the idea of the 191 00:13:02.559 --> 00:13:05.159 National Guard coming out here as a states rights type 192 00:13:05.159 --> 00:13:07.759 of idea, that they're better to go on offense, to 193 00:13:07.879 --> 00:13:11.360 file suit, to announce these kind of ridiculous anti law 194 00:13:11.440 --> 00:13:14.320 enforcement edicts and land in front of a judge with 195 00:13:14.480 --> 00:13:17.240 very little time to build a factual record. They'll have 196 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:21.000 all sorts of spit polished affidavits that say there's no problem, 197 00:13:21.039 --> 00:13:23.159 we don't need the National Guard, and then you have 198 00:13:23.240 --> 00:13:26.039 doj on their heels trying to scramble and respond to 199 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:28.919 that in a matter of days. So that's really the 200 00:13:28.919 --> 00:13:32.600 commonality between Chicago and Portland is they've realized that if 201 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:35.320 they can rush to court in an emergency hearing, they 202 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:37.799 have a decent chance of getting a temporary restraining order 203 00:13:38.080 --> 00:13:41.440 on the idea that the locals are saying, we don't 204 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:44.159 need federal assistance by way of the National Guard or 205 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:45.519 in Chicago's case. 206 00:13:45.559 --> 00:13:48.080 ICE, which is just basically crazy talk. 207 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:50.559 So now we get to the question about federalism, and 208 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:55.000 my point about the fact that federalism gives states rights 209 00:13:55.039 --> 00:14:00.279 except for one immigration is clearly enumerated for the FEZ 210 00:14:00.399 --> 00:14:02.919 to do the work on that. Here's Jim Trustee. 211 00:14:03.519 --> 00:14:05.919 You know when these folks run the court in Portland 212 00:14:06.120 --> 00:14:09.360 and saying basically, the president has no authority to invoke 213 00:14:09.519 --> 00:14:13.000 our National Guard, that's a federalism issues. You actually have 214 00:14:13.039 --> 00:14:16.159 a trumpet pointee on that case saying, look, I just 215 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:19.799 think the record, the facts that I'm hearing don't establish 216 00:14:19.879 --> 00:14:22.919 the kind of war torn city that President Trump is 217 00:14:22.960 --> 00:14:25.919 talking about. Now, there's some glossing over the facts, like 218 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:29.840 the judge glosses over a guillotine being put out front 219 00:14:29.879 --> 00:14:33.159 of the ICE facility, glosses over what we would call 220 00:14:33.279 --> 00:14:36.840 lasers going into people's eyes by saying high power and flashlights. 221 00:14:37.120 --> 00:14:39.480 But at the end of the day, these factual records 222 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:40.639 are critical, and. 223 00:14:40.639 --> 00:14:43.320 If the governor is not wanting the National Guard to 224 00:14:43.360 --> 00:14:46.000 be there, it's on the DC, it's on the DOJ 225 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:49.759 to establish that there's a need and that's tough on 226 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:52.799 an emergency basis. If everyone in the city is basically 227 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.080 lined up against you saying we don't need any help, 228 00:14:55.120 --> 00:14:56.000 everything's fine. 229 00:14:56.080 --> 00:15:00.519 So Jim's basically saying that it's a legal strategy and 230 00:15:00.600 --> 00:15:02.799 that the judges will listen to the people that are 231 00:15:02.840 --> 00:15:05.360 the local judges because of the fact that they're there 232 00:15:05.759 --> 00:15:07.919 and they know whether the city's burning to the ground 233 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:11.360 or not. But one of the things about local police 234 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.720 is they, like I said, subject to the mayor. And 235 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:19.120 in d C where the President went in with troops 236 00:15:19.200 --> 00:15:22.639 and there are apparently still troops there. But the idea 237 00:15:22.960 --> 00:15:26.639 is that crime has now been solved. But the Washington 238 00:15:26.679 --> 00:15:31.360 Post as a piece today saying that no, the police department, 239 00:15:31.480 --> 00:15:34.720 the higher uption the police department are putting pressure on 240 00:15:35.399 --> 00:15:41.600 the line officers not to report the crime or say 241 00:15:41.600 --> 00:15:44.679 felonies or misdemeanors, do anything to make it look like 242 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:49.320 crime is down. Here's Jim Trustee again on what's going 243 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:53.120 on in DC with the police line about their own 244 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:54.360 crime activity. 245 00:15:54.679 --> 00:15:57.279 Well, it's easy for them to do it until somebody 246 00:15:57.320 --> 00:16:00.759 stands up, and that's what happened this summer. DC Metropolitan 247 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:04.879 Police Department sergeant was a whistleblower saying, look, I'm tired 248 00:16:04.919 --> 00:16:07.759 of the brass weighing in and saying that this robbery 249 00:16:07.840 --> 00:16:10.240 is only a theft or this shooting is only a 250 00:16:10.240 --> 00:16:13.639 misdemeanor assault. They're doing it because they're getting the pressure 251 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:16.519 from on high for the political leaders to find some 252 00:16:16.720 --> 00:16:19.679 way to reduce the numbers. And it creates liars out 253 00:16:19.679 --> 00:16:22.200 of these folks, the old Mark Twain, there's lies, damn 254 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.799 lies and statistics. Well, if you watch the Wire fifteen 255 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:29.279 years ago, you'd see this from Baltimore, pretty good reenactment, 256 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:31.480 and DC seems to be pretty ripe with it. And 257 00:16:31.519 --> 00:16:33.080 I don't think they're going to be the only major 258 00:16:33.440 --> 00:16:35.960 metropolitan department that's been cooking the books. 259 00:16:36.200 --> 00:16:38.600 So if you think the higher ups in Portland and 260 00:16:38.720 --> 00:16:43.399 also in DC are trying to make things look better 261 00:16:43.440 --> 00:16:46.720 than they really are, wait till you hear about this 262 00:16:46.840 --> 00:16:50.600 in Chicago. You know the pressure coming from the governor 263 00:16:50.639 --> 00:16:54.320 of Illinois Pritzker, and the mayor Mayor Johnson of Chicago. 264 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:57.039 They want nothing to do with Donald Trump, they want 265 00:16:57.080 --> 00:17:00.360 nothing to do with Ice, they want nothing to do 266 00:17:00.440 --> 00:17:07.519 with National Guard, none of that. So on Saturday, Ice 267 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.839 was out rounding up people that are in the country illegally, 268 00:17:11.359 --> 00:17:14.960 and a bunch of ICE protesters. A huge crowd started 269 00:17:15.000 --> 00:17:18.920 to form and surrounded the ICE officers the ICE and 270 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:23.240 they're not just surrounded them, they were also using cars 271 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:28.279 to bash into, to collide with and ruin the vehicles 272 00:17:28.319 --> 00:17:31.640 that the ICE officers were in. And they're in the 273 00:17:31.720 --> 00:17:36.440 vehicles and these people are using battering rams basically against them, 274 00:17:37.039 --> 00:17:40.039 and so they called for help. And when they called 275 00:17:40.119 --> 00:17:45.720 for help, the Chicago Police Department said, sorry, we're not 276 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:50.039 going to come and assist you. So this gets complicated. 277 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:55.119 Let's start with the police radio recordings of what happened 278 00:17:55.119 --> 00:17:59.920 in Chicago Saturday. 279 00:18:01.400 --> 00:18:05.519 All the units for nine nine, Chief of Patrol said, 280 00:18:05.880 --> 00:18:08.839 all units clear out from there. We're not sending anybody 281 00:18:08.839 --> 00:18:11.960 over to that location. And nine ninety nine just took 282 00:18:12.000 --> 00:18:15.079 him from a thirty ninth place in KASII were saying 283 00:18:15.119 --> 00:18:18.559 that they were being surrounded by that large crowd and 284 00:18:18.599 --> 00:18:22.720 they were requesting the police were not sending waving off 285 00:18:22.759 --> 00:18:24.960 all the cars heading the thirty ninth place in CATSI. 286 00:18:27.279 --> 00:18:29.799 I'm guessing nine ninety nine is code for the chief 287 00:18:29.799 --> 00:18:31.599 of patrol, but she said it too. She said Chief 288 00:18:31.640 --> 00:18:36.640 of below. A patrol nine ninety nine said, all Chicago 289 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:39.440 police cars leave, don't go into that area, don't go 290 00:18:39.519 --> 00:18:42.599 a system, don't do anything to help them. She even 291 00:18:42.640 --> 00:18:47.200 said they're calling saying they're surrounded by large crowds and 292 00:18:47.279 --> 00:18:51.440 nothing happened. The police basically did not stick up for 293 00:18:51.519 --> 00:18:56.200 their fellow law enforcement brethren, and they took off. So 294 00:18:56.319 --> 00:19:03.200 the Chicago Police superintendent came out today and well, here 295 00:19:03.279 --> 00:19:05.920 I'll play for you a little bit of what he said. 296 00:19:06.720 --> 00:19:10.160 What we have to deal with as a department, because 297 00:19:10.200 --> 00:19:12.839 I want to be clear to those who have never 298 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:16.440 done the job, who haven't done the job in years, 299 00:19:17.079 --> 00:19:20.440 who weren't unseen, who don't know the facts or have 300 00:19:20.559 --> 00:19:25.680 the facts, but they've got a lot of solutions or 301 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:27.920 a lot of ideas of what happened or what should 302 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:28.400 have happened. 303 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:31.720 Let me first talk about the Trust Act. 304 00:19:31.960 --> 00:19:35.880 The Trust Act prohibits law enforcement in the state of 305 00:19:35.920 --> 00:19:41.759 Illinois from engaging in assisting federal agents when it comes 306 00:19:41.799 --> 00:19:49.319 to immigration enforcement. We'd abide by that law. The City Ordinance, 307 00:19:49.960 --> 00:19:55.119 the Welcoming City Ordinance goes a little further. It even 308 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:02.519 prohibits us from asking someone their status. We abide by 309 00:20:02.559 --> 00:20:05.440 that ordinance because in law enforcement, if you don't make 310 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:08.480 the laws, we uphold them, and we're sworn to do so, 311 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:15.720 and we take our old seriously. Engaging with federal agents. 312 00:20:15.759 --> 00:20:19.960 We do it on a regular basis. We have Task 313 00:20:19.960 --> 00:20:22.920 force officers who are out there every single day working 314 00:20:23.799 --> 00:20:31.079 to stop human trafficking, drug enforcement, gun violence, gun recoveries, 315 00:20:32.519 --> 00:20:36.440 search warrants, and everything in between. When it comes to 316 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:41.079 violent crime in our city, we have a great partnership 317 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:43.400 with our federal agents and we still do and we 318 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:45.480 will continue to work with. 319 00:20:45.359 --> 00:20:47.039 Them around violent crime. 320 00:20:48.519 --> 00:20:53.880 But let me explain how important it is to understand 321 00:20:53.960 --> 00:20:59.519 how difficult it is for our officers at times, because 322 00:21:00.000 --> 00:21:02.599 when we look at the Trust Act and the Welcoming 323 00:21:02.640 --> 00:21:09.119 City Ordinance, sometimes there's a struggle when you're walking that 324 00:21:09.279 --> 00:21:12.799 line to make sure that you're not violating either one 325 00:21:12.799 --> 00:21:13.799 of those things. 326 00:21:16.279 --> 00:21:19.640 And at the same time enforcing the law the way 327 00:21:19.720 --> 00:21:20.599 that we're supposed to. 328 00:21:21.559 --> 00:21:23.839 Let me get this straight. So in other words, we're 329 00:21:23.880 --> 00:21:31.400 there to support people that are being attacked violently violent crime, 330 00:21:32.319 --> 00:21:34.559 and we're also we do a lot of work with 331 00:21:34.640 --> 00:21:39.359 federal agents, except the Trust Act says that you cannot 332 00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:44.680 assist federal agents regarding immigration. So all I heard on 333 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:49.599 that police radio was the chief of Patrol said, even 334 00:21:49.680 --> 00:21:54.160 though the ICE agents are surrounded by a huge crowd 335 00:21:54.319 --> 00:21:58.400 and they're using violent means to attack the ICE agents, 336 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:00.880 we're not going to go and get out of there. 337 00:22:01.079 --> 00:22:03.519 All the Chicago police cars. You got to leave the area, 338 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.119 according to the chief of patrol. Now, the chief of 339 00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:10.759 Patrol answers to this guy, the superintendent of the police 340 00:22:10.799 --> 00:22:16.039 in Chicago, and he answers to the mayor. And that's 341 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:21.000 why this makes no sense whatsoever. They turned their back 342 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:27.960 on helping fellow law enforcement when they were under attack violently, 343 00:22:28.680 --> 00:22:36.079 and so this Commissioners is out basically trying to bs 344 00:22:36.160 --> 00:22:39.359 his way through this. Here's a little bit more from him. 345 00:22:39.599 --> 00:22:43.519 About certain things. Have to excuse me, I'm we'll dehydrated. 346 00:22:44.519 --> 00:22:52.680 Let me make this clear. Federal agents ICE HSI are officers. 347 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:58.079 They are agents of law enforcement. If you box them 348 00:22:58.079 --> 00:23:02.759 in with vehicles, it is reasonable for them to believe 349 00:23:03.839 --> 00:23:08.119 that they are being ambushed and that this could end 350 00:23:08.759 --> 00:23:13.160 in a deadly situation, and it's reasonable for them to 351 00:23:13.319 --> 00:23:16.279 use force based on those conditions. 352 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:21.599 Do not box in any law enforcement officer. 353 00:23:22.160 --> 00:23:25.160 You are breaking the law when you do that, and 354 00:23:25.200 --> 00:23:31.400 you are putting yourself in danger following law enforcement agents around. 355 00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:35.039 The question is why what do you plan on doing. 356 00:23:35.759 --> 00:23:39.720 It's also reasonable for them to believe that you're eventually 357 00:23:39.920 --> 00:23:45.160 going to do harm to them. If you ram any vehicle, 358 00:23:45.519 --> 00:23:51.039 especially that one that contains law enforcement agents, and that's 359 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:56.440 any law enforcement local, state, federal, county, and you do 360 00:23:56.559 --> 00:24:01.039 this intentionally, this is considered deadly forced US is anything 361 00:24:02.279 --> 00:24:07.480 that can cause great bodily harm or death. When you 362 00:24:07.640 --> 00:24:13.319 plow into a vehicle that contains law enforcement agents, you're 363 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:17.759 using deadly force, and they can use deadly force in 364 00:24:17.880 --> 00:24:21.759 response to stop you. We need to be clear about 365 00:24:21.759 --> 00:24:25.559 these laws. We cannot become a society where we just 366 00:24:25.640 --> 00:24:29.000 decide to take everything in our own hands and start 367 00:24:29.039 --> 00:24:31.920 to commit crimes against law enforcement. 368 00:24:32.039 --> 00:24:35.559 It is a crime. You may not like what they're doing. 369 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:38.559 I can understand that there's a lot of emotions out there, 370 00:24:38.599 --> 00:24:41.319 but that does not mean that you get to commit 371 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:46.359 a crime, especially one that can lead to deadly force. 372 00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:50.200 So we said, let's make it clear. That was as 373 00:24:50.240 --> 00:24:54.319 clear as mud, because he basically said yeah, and we again, 374 00:24:55.079 --> 00:24:58.319 it's right there. In fact, they have a computer aided 375 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:03.559 dispatch them in Chicago, and I'm looking at it and 376 00:25:03.599 --> 00:25:10.720 it said no units will respond to this. Per Chief 377 00:25:10.920 --> 00:25:17.839 of Patrol. Caller number one is of approximately thirty armed 378 00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:22.160 Border Patrol agents who are being surrounded by one large 379 00:25:22.200 --> 00:25:26.160 crowd of people and they're asking for help, and the 380 00:25:27.200 --> 00:25:32.000 Chief of Patrol said, don't do it, don't go help them. 381 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:34.640 So he says, well, wait a minute, if you surround 382 00:25:34.880 --> 00:25:38.920 a law enforcement of any kind, they're going to assume 383 00:25:39.000 --> 00:25:40.960 that you are going to try and harm them, and 384 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:45.400 they can use force back. But at the same time 385 00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:49.720 they're saying, but we're not going to go help them. 386 00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:50.759 It was bizarre. 387 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:52.799 I had to play this for you because the whole 388 00:25:52.839 --> 00:25:57.319 thing out of Chicago makes the police department there, at 389 00:25:57.400 --> 00:26:01.480 least at the higher ranks, look like they're really trying 390 00:26:01.519 --> 00:26:05.279 to cover for the leadership of their city, the Brandon Johnson, 391 00:26:05.680 --> 00:26:07.240 and the governor of their state. 392 00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:09.599 But one guy who is not. 393 00:26:10.440 --> 00:26:13.400 In leadership of the police department, he's the leader of 394 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:18.920 the Paternal Order of Police, John Catanza, and he has 395 00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.119 a whole different story. 396 00:26:20.759 --> 00:26:23.039 Could it be that's actually what happened? 397 00:26:23.119 --> 00:26:26.279 And the reality is somebody's lying here, whether it's the 398 00:26:26.319 --> 00:26:30.440 chief of patrol, or nine ninety nine. And I can 399 00:26:30.519 --> 00:26:33.400 tell you I personally know that lieutenant, and he has 400 00:26:33.440 --> 00:26:36.079 an impeccable record. On the other hand, the Chief of 401 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:39.319