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Speaker 1: Seven thirty here fifty five KRCD talk station. Happy Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Always look forward to talking to Donovan and Neil from
Speaker 1: Americans for Prosperity. Donovan, Welcome back to the fifty five
Speaker 1: KRC Morning Show. It's good to have you on as always, Brian,
Speaker 1: always a pleasure to be with you midweek. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: struggle with this one a little, just a little bit.
Speaker 1: My libertarian philosophy and principles agrees with you wholeheartedly on
Speaker 1: your support for House Bill one oh nine and Center
Speaker 1: Bill one o four, which you'll explain to my listeners
Speaker 1: here momentarily. But you know, I live in a neighborhood
Speaker 1: and I would be really unhappy if one of my
Speaker 1: neighbors started renting out their home on a regular basis
Speaker 1: to as an airbnb, the guests coming in and out
Speaker 1: and flowing in and out. I know some neighborhoods have
Speaker 1: had problems. The guests quite often can be disrespectful. Maybe
Speaker 1: they're on vacation, they're in a party atmosphere, so on
Speaker 1: a Tuesday night at midnight, they're out in the backyard
Speaker 1: drinking beer with music going on, that kind of thing,
Speaker 1: And some neighborhoods say, you know, no, that's not what
Speaker 1: we are looking for in our neighborhood. So you got
Speaker 1: your neighborhood collectives sitting down and creating rules. Mean you've
Speaker 1: got a homeowners association, and so they try to ban
Speaker 1: these things from happening. But that limits the freedom of
Speaker 1: a property owner to see to do what with their
Speaker 1: property what they see fit. So I'm kind of struggling
Speaker 1: with the balance of these things. What specifically does house
Speaker 1: built one O nine and center built on one of
Speaker 1: four propose for the entire state of Ohio in terms
Speaker 1: of this this this short term rental market, Donovan.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And the concerns you shared to Brian
Speaker 4: are what a lot of folks, legislators, folks around Caps
Speaker 4: Square here frequently get it. What this legislation would do though,
Speaker 4: is well, we'll back up one thing the state does
Speaker 4: well when we talk about regulations and red takes. I've
Speaker 4: been on your show and we talk about that a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 4: we talk about regulations. One thing the state of Ohio
Speaker 4: where states in general can do well and where their
Speaker 4: proper role in serving regulations exist is creating a clear,
Speaker 4: sise framework for how an industry can operate. And so
Speaker 4: when we look at the short term rental industry. One
Speaker 4: of the things that the state has failed to do
Speaker 4: in recent years is airbnbs or verbos have emerged, is
Speaker 4: create a clear framework that these can exist within. And
Speaker 4: so what you've ended up with is where we are today,
Speaker 4: where you have a patchwork quilt of different rules and
Speaker 4: regulations depending on the city, community or locality, with different seas,
Speaker 4: different zoning requirements. And so when an individual wants to
Speaker 4: exert their very simple constitutional right of using their property
Speaker 4: as they wish, in this case renting it out through
Speaker 4: a platform like Airbnb, this legislation would make it clear
Speaker 4: that in the state of Ohio you can do that,
Speaker 4: and here are the handful of rules and requirements that
Speaker 4: have to be put into place in order to do that,
Speaker 4: while protecting individual property owners from local governments subdivisions that
Speaker 4: might say, hey, we're going to create an exorbitant fee.
Speaker 4: We may not be able to ban it out right
Speaker 4: going and create an exorbitant fee sentem one oh nine.
Speaker 4: This legislation from Sander Brenner would keep local political subdivisions
Speaker 4: from being able to do that. When it comes to
Speaker 4: the concerns around new sense or noise right. But what
Speaker 4: we point to is those laws already exist on the
Speaker 4: books and creating new exorbitant fees or red tape or
Speaker 4: more regulations or o outright telling an individual what they
Speaker 4: can and can't do with their own property. We think
Speaker 4: folks need to enforce those existing laws that already are
Speaker 4: on the books to address when those situations arise.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, I guess someone's out there making the argument. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like we always we favor local government
Speaker 1: because one size doesn't fit all. I hate to being
Speaker 1: told what to do by people in DC who have
Speaker 1: no connection with my local community. City Council's City of
Speaker 1: Cincinnati impose the Connected Communities these zoning rules on all
Speaker 1: of the neighborhoods in the City of Cincinnati in spite
Speaker 1: of the fact that some of those neighborhoods didn't want it.
Speaker 2: Some did.
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Speaker 1: Head seven thirty nine, fifty five KRCD Talk Station, Happy
Speaker 1: Wednesday to you, Part Thomas with Americans for Prosperities, don
Speaker 1: On and Neo going through the uh oh, the pros
Speaker 1: and cons of that. Pardon me, Donovan and my listening audience.
Speaker 1: I'll spill one nine cent one four designed to limit
Speaker 1: the ability well to free up more like the ability
Speaker 1: to provide you with the opportunity of short term rental
Speaker 1: Airbnb kind of concept now, and I get your argument.
Speaker 1: So moving aside in a way from the whys and
Speaker 1: the wherefores whether local is better than a whole one
Speaker 1: size fits all approach for the state of Ohio. To
Speaker 1: what extent do these bills control short term rentals? What,
Speaker 1: what are the specifics on it? And how much flexibility
Speaker 1: do they continue to allow for local communities to control
Speaker 1: some aspect of short term rentals.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what it would do is it would prohit what
Speaker 4: would preempt local governments from outright prohibiting short term rentals.
Speaker 5: So folks would be able.
Speaker 4: To here in the state of Ohio go on a
Speaker 4: platform like Airbnb or Verbo and list their property or
Speaker 4: a room within their property for guests who want to
Speaker 4: visit and have that local experience. It would it would
Speaker 4: preempt folks. One of the ways local governments have done
Speaker 4: this in other states have created.
Speaker 5: A lottery system.
Speaker 4: So it says only a certain number of people each
Speaker 4: year can list their property. It would say, no, you can't.
Speaker 4: You can't come up with a creative lottery mechanism to
Speaker 4: prohibit these, You can't use zoning laws. You can't restrict
Speaker 4: the number of units. One of the things we find,
Speaker 4: and you look at some of the testimony, dozens of
Speaker 4: pieces of testimony, there are a few folks in there
Speaker 4: who talk about how they've taken a few different dilapidated properties,
Speaker 4: they've invested in them and built their own small local
Speaker 4: business right providing short term rentals in communities around Ohio.
Speaker 4: And so say you can't, you can't limit the amount
Speaker 4: of you know, operties that.
Speaker 5: Someone can have in that way.
Speaker 4: And it also will cap the licensing fee to catch
Speaker 4: and what I think makes sense for local and state
Speaker 4: government here is one of the problems that exists is
Speaker 4: it's not clear who's responsible for collecting the taxes on
Speaker 4: these right and so what it would require is that
Speaker 4: if they're going to the state, sort of the bargain
Speaker 4: here I think, if you will, is that the state's
Speaker 4: going to create this clear regulatory framework that these short
Speaker 4: term rentals can exist. The responsibility is going to be
Speaker 4: on the platform to make sure they collect the taxes
Speaker 4: that the state has for lodging, right.
Speaker 5: And so what this will do is it.
Speaker 4: Will help while creating a clear and concise framework. It
Speaker 4: will also help generate revenue where right now, because of
Speaker 4: the patchwork nature of this industry in the state of Ohio,
Speaker 4: it's unclear who's responsible and oftentimes those tax revenues go uncollected.
Speaker 5: So this will help.
Speaker 4: Not creating new taxes, is right, Brian, but just saying, hey,
Speaker 4: the airbnb and burbos of the world have to collect
Speaker 4: those taxes when they book these properties on behalf of
Speaker 4: the hosts, okay, And so it helps generate tax revenue
Speaker 4: while also creating a standard across the state of Ohio
Speaker 4: for this industry to exist.
Speaker 1: All right, So it would be an analogous to Amazon
Speaker 1: collecting whatever local tax applies when you make a purchase.
Speaker 5: That's a great way to look at it, absolutely.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, I can understand that because the taxes are there,
Speaker 1: it's a law that you have to pay them. Quite
Speaker 1: often people don't do it, you know, But isn't it
Speaker 1: also it's income to the home owner when they get
Speaker 1: rental from an airbnb, so that is also income tax
Speaker 1: that they would have to report, yes.
Speaker 4: And that I think we continue to remain on the
Speaker 4: home owner and however they're set up and operating and
Speaker 4: their relationship with their state, local, and federal tax tax agent.
Speaker 1: So are there any restrictions that would be allowed here?
Speaker 1: I mean it sounds to me like it would be
Speaker 1: unlimited in nature here. So anybody who owns property could
Speaker 1: go to Airbnb and put their house on there and rented, period,
Speaker 1: end of story.
Speaker 4: Well, and that's the idea, right, This is something that
Speaker 4: exists long before even the finding of our country, right, Brian, is, folks,
Speaker 4: before you had the Marriott's and the holiday Ends and
Speaker 4: the Hyatts of the world, people would create INDs, right,
Speaker 4: or they would provide portions of their.
Speaker 5: Housing to travelers.
Speaker 4: And what we're finding, right is, rather than having you know,
Speaker 4: folks just listing on a Craigslist or somebody knowing somebody
Speaker 4: like you would in the olden days, you have a
Speaker 4: safe platform like Airbnb where folks can go and there
Speaker 4: are rules.
Speaker 5: To be a host and to be a renter on that.
Speaker 4: Platform, right, And then individuals know that when they're doing
Speaker 4: that transaction, they're protected and part of that airbn be network.
Speaker 4: And so I think where our opponents come down on
Speaker 4: this in a lot of ways is they just don't
Speaker 4: like what people do in their own backyard.
Speaker 5: Right It's a an enbiasm argument. But at the end
Speaker 5: of the.
Speaker 4: Day, you know, if you're invested in a property and
Speaker 4: you're you've taken it from being a dilapidated property in
Speaker 4: a very nice you know what used to be a
Speaker 4: really nice part of town, and you're trying to bring that,
Speaker 4: make it up and coming. That's where these airbnbs often occur.
Speaker 4: They invest in their how this property, and they want
Speaker 4: to use that property to get some return on that
Speaker 4: investment by listing gone an airbnb.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I hear all that, and I understand that.
Speaker 1: But you know, it's like when you buy any given neighborhood,
Speaker 1: if there exists a homeowners association, you're going in eyes
Speaker 1: wide open, and to own a home there. You are
Speaker 1: part of the homeowners association, You're obligated to pay a
Speaker 1: Homelewan's Association fee, and you're subject to whatever rules the
Speaker 1: homeowners association has in place. Much in the same way,
Speaker 1: if you buy in any given neighborhood, you are subject
Speaker 1: to zoning restrictions, and there may be restrictions on the
Speaker 1: type of architecturals style you can have, like in the
Speaker 1: City of Cincinnati, apparently from going forward basis. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I just I wonder where the line is, where's that?
Speaker 1: Where is that that where we approve of these type
Speaker 1: of restrictions whatever they may be in some areas, but
Speaker 1: we don't in others.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not sure that's a good question on the
Speaker 4: homeowners Association. I'll have to check with Senator Brenner on
Speaker 4: that and get back to you around that if you
Speaker 4: want to follow up there, because I think so, I'm
Speaker 4: not sure how it deals with some of those I know,
Speaker 4: the largest concern that comes from folks, right is noise,
Speaker 4: safety and nuisance concerns those right, It.
Speaker 5: Does not preempt those, right.
Speaker 4: So if you've got someone out there at midnight blast
Speaker 4: in music or jumping off of the second floor like
Speaker 4: it's a National Lampoon's movie, right, we're not that that's
Speaker 4: still illegal. That's still something that you know, right, the
Speaker 4: local municipality can can oversee you.
Speaker 1: Right, But I think part of the neighborhood usually don't
Speaker 1: have that going on. Your neighborhood becau if you're living there,
Speaker 1: you're not likely to engage in that kind of activity
Speaker 1: because you're in the pissing off your neighbors and you
Speaker 1: make a bad neighbor and then you're that guy. So
Speaker 1: this sort of relationship effect, and I know someone out
Speaker 1: there is going, yeah, well you should hear my neighbor.
Speaker 1: We deal with them all the time, and I know
Speaker 1: there's always people like that, and you can call the
Speaker 1: cops on them, but there's a certain element of that
Speaker 1: sort of the neighborhood feel, the fact that you're always
Speaker 1: going to be living next to that person, so you're
Speaker 1: not likely to engage in that kind of activity. That's
Speaker 1: not the case with renters. They don't care who lives
Speaker 1: next door. I'm here, I'm paying for it, I'm going
Speaker 1: to do whatever the hell I want. So it just
Speaker 1: increases the likelihood that that that that happening.
Speaker 4: Sure, sure, well, I think that's I mean, I think
Speaker 4: that's a risk that comes with this, But I think
Speaker 4: the larger argument of defending defending somebody's ability to have
Speaker 4: their property and do what they wish with their property
Speaker 4: outweighs that potential.
Speaker 5: Albeit I'm sure everyone.
Speaker 4: Has a story where they could point to Yeah. At
Speaker 4: the end of the day, though, we have the right
Speaker 4: to life, liberty and property. Right. Yeah, life, liberty, and
Speaker 4: pursuit of happiness. And that's what this legislation does, is
Speaker 4: it descends that right for you or I are one
Speaker 4: of our neighbors to rent our property out and do
Speaker 4: so in a safe, regulated environment where we can have
Speaker 4: the confidence of being able to do that and not
Speaker 4: being preempted by a local city council member who just
Speaker 4: doesn't like this industry fair enough.
Speaker 1: It just it raises some interesting, you know, worthy of
Speaker 1: exchange topics. Normally you and I are on exactly the
Speaker 1: same page. I'm just throwing out these, uh this sort
Speaker 1: of against my natural inclination to be completely on board
Speaker 1: with you. Just the practical realities of having a neighbor
Speaker 1: that is constantly renting their house out to strangers every
Speaker 1: single day, and I know that poses some some challenges
Speaker 1: for folks along my my lines, which really do believe
Speaker 1: in my right to do with my property what I
Speaker 1: what I believe to do, what I'm entitled to do.
Speaker 2: House Bill one cent up Bill one oh four.
Speaker 1: You can feel free to get in touch with your
Speaker 1: elected official to get it out of committee and get
Speaker 1: it up for a vote. Is there a website you
Speaker 1: want to refer our listeners to Donovan? There always is.
Speaker 1: People can get engaged by going to Buckeye Blueprint dot com.
Speaker 1: There you are Fuckey Blueprint dot Com. Donovan love the
Speaker 1: conversation as always, keep up the great work at American
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Speaker 2: We'll talk again soon, Donovan. Great to have you back.
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