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Speaker 2: My favorite hour of radio right now begins with Congressman
Speaker 2: Thomas Massy, followed by Judge Ennita Poulatana, who may be
Speaker 2: listening right now. Joe Strecker gave him a heads up
Speaker 2: because Congressman Thomas Massy is Judge of Polaton, his favorite
Speaker 2: elected official. Welcome back to Congressman Massi. It's always a
Speaker 2: real pleasure to have you on the fifty five Karsee
Speaker 2: Morning Show.
Speaker 1: Thank you, and Napolitano is my favorite judge.
Speaker 2: There you go, Mutual admiration Society. Every Wednesday here on
Speaker 2: the morning show. Your name typically comes up in any
Speaker 2: conversation I have with Congressman Massi, whether you precede him
Speaker 2: or not. So that's you're a good company, all right.
Speaker 2: Something has kind of falling off the radar, Congressman Massy,
Speaker 2: the whole saga of the EPs Dean files, and I
Speaker 2: know you were behind an effort to release them. With
Speaker 2: a lot of conspiracy theories swirling around about that out there.
Speaker 2: Why didn't the Biden administration release them? If they want
Speaker 2: to release them now, the Democrats all in favor of
Speaker 2: getting them out there, But seems to be a change
Speaker 2: of attitude in the Trump administration. We were kind of
Speaker 2: led to believe, at least I think that Trump would
Speaker 2: release the Epstein files and the JFK files and the
Speaker 2: MLK Junior for all that. But when it came time
Speaker 2: to do it, they had a change of heart, kind
Speaker 2: of went one hundred and eighty degrees and enter Congressman Massy.
Speaker 2: You were pushing to pass a bill to release them.
Speaker 2: Where are we on this? What's going on, Congressman Massy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, politics is the art of the doable. And when
Speaker 1: Biden was president, the Republicans wanted to release the Epstein
Speaker 1: files and the Democrats didn't. Well, now that Trump's president,
Speaker 1: it's flipped and you've got virtually every Democrat wants to
Speaker 1: release the Epstein files. Well, fortunately, we've got enough Republicans
Speaker 1: I believe who's say true and want to expose these folks.
Speaker 1: I mean, the victims deserve justice and Americans deserve transparency.
Speaker 1: So when you know when this salt all started coming
Speaker 1: down where the Attorney General released the Phase one binders
Speaker 1: and then said there is no Phase two psych that
Speaker 1: made me suspicious. So I introduced legislation co sponsored by
Speaker 1: Congressman Rocanna that it's a bill. It's a legally binding bill,
Speaker 1: not a not a you know, a feel good messaging
Speaker 1: resolution that would force the release of a lot of
Speaker 1: stuff that we know they have. This is not a hoax. So,
Speaker 1: for instance, the President asked a judge to release grand
Speaker 1: jury transcripts, Well, there, you're going into a third branch
Speaker 1: of government. What I'm asking for is the DOJ release
Speaker 1: all of their notes and all of their evidence and
Speaker 1: everything that they've collected. So instead of asking the judicial
Speaker 1: branch and trying to pierce that veil of the court,
Speaker 1: we're going straight to the executive branch where we do
Speaker 1: have authority to force the release of this stuff. And
Speaker 1: one thing that there's a way to force a vote
Speaker 1: on a bill. See Mike Johnson doesn't want to do
Speaker 1: this now, he's one of the Republicans that's flipped. But
Speaker 1: you can do something called a discharge petition in the
Speaker 1: House of Representatives. If you can get two hundred and
Speaker 1: eighteen signatures physical John Hancock's two hundred and eighteen signatures
Speaker 1: on a document, you can force a vote on the
Speaker 1: floor of the House without the speaker's blessing. A speaker
Speaker 1: hates this because I've got every Democrat says they'll sign it,
Speaker 1: and I've got a dozen Republicans who's already co sponsored
Speaker 1: by legislation, which means if even just half of the
Speaker 1: Republicans who've co sponsored my legislation followed through and sign
Speaker 1: it when I'm able to collect signatures, then we're going
Speaker 1: to force a vote of this on that floor of
Speaker 1: the House of Representatives. And Mike Johnson sent us home
Speaker 1: early for August recess hoping that this would go away.
Speaker 1: But as soon as we get back from the August recess,
Speaker 1: Rocanna and I have a press conference arranged at the
Speaker 1: Capitol in front of the Capitol with some of the
Speaker 1: over two hundred victims of the Epstein sex ring, and
Speaker 1: some of whom have never spoken before, are going to
Speaker 1: speak out. Oh when we give them that platform at
Speaker 1: the Capitol.
Speaker 2: Oh my, Well, the victims, I mean, there are victims
Speaker 2: that were victims of abuse. Perhaps I'm assuming from people
Speaker 2: other than Epstein. This is the thing. There could be prosecutions,
Speaker 2: criminal prosecutions for folks who, you know, for example, bolested
Speaker 2: an underaged girl. Those folks have never seen any justice yet.
Speaker 1: Have they They have not. And you know, the whole
Speaker 1: idea behind electing President Trump was that he would go
Speaker 1: after that that circle of people who haven't been accountable
Speaker 1: to anybody because they're either politically connected or they have
Speaker 1: so much money that they can do things with impunity
Speaker 1: and don't have to show up in a courtroom, you know,
Speaker 1: like Hillary Clinton for instance, or some of you know,
Speaker 1: the Soroses or whatever. Well, that's the problem here. This encapsulates,
Speaker 1: this Epstein thing, encapsulates the promise that we were given.
Speaker 1: And I'm afraid if we don't follow through on this,
Speaker 1: the people who showed up and voted for Trump and
Speaker 1: also voted for Congress and the Senate to be Republican
Speaker 1: aren't going to show up in the mid terms. They're
Speaker 1: going to say, see, we thought we could get justice,
Speaker 1: We thought everybody would be accountable and under the same laws,
Speaker 1: and we didn't get that. We're not going to show
Speaker 1: up and vote in the midterms. We'll lose the majority.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying to convince Mike Johnson not only is
Speaker 1: this the responsible, ethical and moral thing to do, but
Speaker 1: it's also good politics. We should release these now.
Speaker 2: Do you have any inside information about what's in them?
Speaker 2: You mentioned politically connected people. That's something we all assume.
Speaker 2: Are we all assume are being protected because they are
Speaker 2: high falutint folks, politically connected, wealthy individuals. They're treated with
Speaker 2: a different standard under the law than you and I
Speaker 2: would be. Do you know who's in there who might
Speaker 2: be shown to have been involved in any of this activity?
Speaker 2: Or are we all just still speculating and including you
Speaker 2: Congress from Messy.
Speaker 1: Well, here's an ARESSI thing. The Black Book. Epstein's Black
Speaker 1: Book has been released. Now, having your name in that
Speaker 1: black book is not an indication of guilt. It's not
Speaker 1: even an indication that you went to the island or
Speaker 1: anything like that, but it is an indication that Epstein
Speaker 1: had your personal cell number and may have contacted you.
Speaker 1: Yess who's in that black book. One of the three
Speaker 1: billionaires who's funding ads against me right now in the
Speaker 1: Cincinnati media market is in Epstein's Black Book. I wonder
Speaker 1: why he's so motivated to get me out of Congress.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, guilt by association. I think a lot of
Speaker 2: them are screaming that all this is just gonna unfairly,
Speaker 2: you know, suggest that I was involved in criminal activity
Speaker 2: just because I knew Epstein. I mean, I understand that argument.
Speaker 2: But they're free to go out and explain that to
Speaker 2: the general public.
Speaker 1: Correct. I don't think Trump himself is implicated in this.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of his friends and a lot
Speaker 1: of donors. By the way, this donor, the billionaire who's
Speaker 1: giving to the super pac to take me out, is
Speaker 1: also giving to Mike Johnson and giving to the NRCC.
Speaker 1: And I think it even for Trump's associations who might
Speaker 1: be implicated in this, it may just be embarrassment, yeah,
Speaker 1: are trying to avoid and I think that's not a
Speaker 1: good reason to withhold this stuff. In fact, I put
Speaker 1: that into legislation, that you can't withhold things just to
Speaker 1: keep from embarrassing somebody. We've got to get it all
Speaker 1: out there. This this has good chance, I think if
Speaker 1: I can force the vote, which I think I can
Speaker 1: because I think I'm going to get two hundred and
Speaker 1: eighteen signatures, which is the threshold. Mike Johnson has two choices.
Speaker 1: He can either change the rules at the House of
Speaker 1: Representatives to prevent this parliamentary procedure that I'm using, but
Speaker 1: he's got to or he can allow the vote. Now,
Speaker 1: if he tries to change the rules, that actually has
Speaker 1: to come to a vote, at least hoping the proxy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I was hoping. You would say that if
Speaker 2: he could unilaterally change the rules and throw a monkey
Speaker 2: wrench in this, that would that just seems to give
Speaker 2: him way more power than he should have.
Speaker 1: Well, he can't. He's still got to get two hundred
Speaker 1: and eighteen votes. But what he can do. He could
Speaker 1: slip one sentence into a very popular bill, and the
Speaker 1: one sentence could say we're going to change the rules
Speaker 1: just to avoid Massy's discharge petition. He could slip that
Speaker 1: sentence into a popular bill and try to convince all
Speaker 1: the Republicans to vote for that and change the rules
Speaker 1: within another bill. But I think this has got enough visibility.
Speaker 1: The American people aren't going to forget. The victims aren't
Speaker 1: going away. We're giving them a platform to speak on
Speaker 1: September three at the Capitol, and people say, well, how
Speaker 1: do you know they're victims? These aren't random people that
Speaker 1: we've contacted. These are people who've retained an attorney, and
Speaker 1: so we went through the attorney of the victims. And
Speaker 1: there are some who've never spoken out publicly. They may
Speaker 1: have given private testimony and evidence, but they've never spoken
Speaker 1: out publicly. And so if they're going to take that
Speaker 1: step and put themselves out there, I really think we
Speaker 1: deserve to follow They deserve for us to follow through
Speaker 1: in Congress and force the release of these files.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, and if you use the word victim, you
Speaker 2: assume that they're a victim of a crime. And since
Speaker 2: it's Epstein, we have to assume this is some sort
Speaker 2: of sexual related crime. Each of those victims knows who
Speaker 2: they're let's say, molester is. They could name them out loud,
Speaker 2: they could assume them civilly.
Speaker 1: Yes, And there have been a lot of payoffs, by
Speaker 1: the way, uh huh from some rich and powerful people there,
Speaker 1: you know they're couch just civil sort of cases and
Speaker 1: paid off settlements, but they probably bought silence with that
Speaker 1: money as well from the criminal charges. And some of
Speaker 1: these victims may not know the names of the people.
Speaker 1: They may need the investigators to help figure out. Okay,
Speaker 1: who was it? On that day. Who was in that
Speaker 1: room with you? Right, it's not like they've they're Facebook
Speaker 1: friends or something. Uh, you probably met in a dark
Speaker 1: place without any exchange of identification.
Speaker 2: Sure well, each factual circumstances, you know, exist uniquely, and
Speaker 2: you know, I just would like to see some justice
Speaker 2: on behalf of these victims. And looks like it's fast approaching.
Speaker 2: We'll keep our fingers crossed. And you know, and I
Speaker 2: don't think this bears a political stripe congressom Massey, I mean, Republicans, Democrats,
Speaker 2: I can sort of proceed. Everybody wants this, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. This isn't a political issue releasing the
Speaker 2: Epstein files. Everybody's curious about it. Everybody's got an opinion,
Speaker 2: and everybody's drawing a conclusion.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, once you know, once you get outside
Speaker 1: of the belt Way, it's not political, but inside of
Speaker 1: the belt Way, it becomes political in the struggle for power.
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Speaker 2: Congressman Thomas Massey on the phone, waiting in the wings
Speaker 2: Judge Ennenapaulatana. He'll be talking about the right to be
Speaker 2: left alone. He is listening in Congress Massy so he
Speaker 2: can say good morning to as we pivot over to
Speaker 2: recess appointment. So I understand this some activity regarding recess
Speaker 2: appointments going on. Congressman, Yes, this is.
Speaker 1: The most underreported story in Washington, d C. At every
Speaker 1: time they have a pro forma session in Congress. That's
Speaker 1: a session where they gabble in, they say the pledge
Speaker 1: and the prayer, and they gabble back out with nobody
Speaker 1: in the chamber. They're doing this every three or four
Speaker 1: days in Washington, D C. For one sole purpose. They
Speaker 1: are doing this. But every time they do it, I
Speaker 1: film it, you know, I take the c SPAN clip
Speaker 1: and I put it on my social media and to
Speaker 1: explain to people what's going on. What is Congress doing.
Speaker 1: Why do they send one person to Washington, d C.
Speaker 1: To grab that gable and in and out in the
Speaker 1: House in the Senate. It is to keep President Trump
Speaker 1: from making recess appointments. Now, in twenty fourteen, Obama got
Speaker 1: his's handsmacked because he tried to do some recess appointments
Speaker 1: over a very short recess like a weekend or a holiday. Well,
Speaker 1: the Supreme Court said that's not long enough to do
Speaker 1: a recess appointment. They assigned sort of this window of
Speaker 1: what's a recess and what's really not. And so it
Speaker 1: is precedented in the sense that one party in Congress
Speaker 1: has kept a different party in the White House from
Speaker 1: making recess appointments. By having these fake sessions to avoid
Speaker 1: a full recess. But it's this is unprecedented that you've
Speaker 1: got the GOP, Mike Johnson and John Dune stopping Donald
Speaker 1: Trump from filling hundreds of seats he's picked his people.
Speaker 1: There are hundreds of seats that the Senate went on
Speaker 1: vacation and did not fill. Now, you know, I'm a
Speaker 1: strong proponent of three branches ago, and we shouldn't just
Speaker 1: put a pinion in the fuse box and let the
Speaker 1: executive branch do whatever they want. Uh. Some people have
Speaker 1: said the founders put this recess appointment clause in there
Speaker 1: in case it was an emergency and Congress couldn't get
Speaker 1: to work, But I think they also I think they
Speaker 1: also put it in there in case Congress just went
Speaker 1: on recess and refused to let the president have his appointments.
Speaker 1: This would give the president an outlet, which is what
Speaker 1: they have done. The Senate has gone on recess. Now
Speaker 1: you may ask, why does Mike Johnson, why is he
Speaker 1: complicit in this?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Because the Constitution says that the Senate can't recess without
Speaker 1: the concurrence of the House so and or meet. So
Speaker 1: there they have to work together to pull this off
Speaker 1: and to keep Trump from making recess appointments. If and
Speaker 1: by the way, if I if I were president Trump,
Speaker 1: I would be livid.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just going to ask you about that because
Speaker 2: I haven't heard Donald Trump make any pronouncements about this,
Speaker 2: because yeah, you'd think that would be I mean with
Speaker 2: Donald Trump, he speaks his mind. Say what you want
Speaker 2: about him, but you always know what he's thinking. If
Speaker 2: there's a political enemy out there, either side of the
Speaker 2: political ledger, he's going to call him out. I mean,
Speaker 2: you got called out by Donald Trump.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he called out quite a bit. One day. He
Speaker 1: was attacking Canada and me on social media. We each
Speaker 1: got three broadsides. Yeah, I said, the difference between me
Speaker 1: and Canada is Canada will eventually cave, and I think
Speaker 1: they did on some trade issue. But here's the thing.
Speaker 1: Congress has had three of these pro formance sessions since
Speaker 1: we went on recess. So they're trying to and they're
Speaker 1: pulling it off. They're convening. If I could go there
Speaker 1: and object, I would, But because they're not doing any
Speaker 1: real business right, they don't need a quorum, and so
Speaker 1: I can't make that point when they when they convene
Speaker 1: and then unconvene. But this is and I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that Trump should get every appointment he wants in a
Speaker 1: recess appointment. But here's the thing. If you just did
Speaker 1: a few recess appointments on some of these more important
Speaker 1: positions the Dems are blocking, then they might see the
Speaker 1: light and quit dragging their feet and being so dilatory.
Speaker 1: When you know the president walis a Republican or Democrat,
Speaker 1: deserves to get his appointments heard and voted up or down.
Speaker 2: Yeah, vote up or down. He can win block one,
Speaker 2: block one, but at least have thelevos to actually bring
Speaker 2: it up and talk about it.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm sorry, I'm surprised that Trump hasn't made a
Speaker 2: pronouncement about this, But you know, tomorrow is another day.
Speaker 2: Today's another day. We'll see what happens real quick. Here
Speaker 2: in the remaining minute or so, we have here, what
Speaker 2: is the prep Act repeal bill all about?
Speaker 1: Congressman Messy, Well, the PREP Act I call it medical
Speaker 1: malpractice martial law. It's a federal law that overrules every
Speaker 1: state law with respect to somebody getting their day in
Speaker 1: court if they got harmed. So right now, because COVID
Speaker 1: was declared an emergency by Trump's first h secretary, and
Speaker 1: it's still declared an emergency. You can't sue a vaccine manufacturer.
Speaker 1: You can't sue a mask manufacturer. You can't sue the
Speaker 1: room desevere manufacturer. You can't even sue a doctor if
Speaker 1: they cut your finger off and say, oh, I was
Speaker 1: trying to give you a COVID treatment or something like.
Speaker 1: It's so broad. If you slip and fall in a
Speaker 1: nursing home and they say, oh, we were taking them
Speaker 1: to get their COVID shot. Oh sorry, can't sue because
Speaker 1: the federal law overrides all these state laws in one
Speaker 1: of these emergencies. My PREP Act repeal says, this is
Speaker 1: not constitutional, this is against the Tenth Amendment, and what
Speaker 1: we should do is repeal the prep Act and not
Speaker 1: give a blanket immunity. By the way, they can be
Speaker 1: full on negligent if they've made a medical product and
Speaker 1: you die from it. They can be completely negligent, and
Speaker 1: you cannot get any day in court under the prep Act.
Speaker 1: So you have to prove they were trying to hurt.
Speaker 2: You intentional intentional harm. So even wilful and want and
Speaker 2: reckless conduct does not give you a day in court. Correct,
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So that, yeah, Wanton doesn't matter, So we need to
Speaker 1: repeal this. I've got the PREP BacT repeal. A lot
Speaker 1: of people think the vaccines are covered under the nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty six Vaccine Liability Act, and some of them may
Speaker 1: be now that they're on the schedule, but a lot
Speaker 1: of this stuff is actually covered under the PREP Act,
Speaker 1: and that's why you can't get your day in court.
Speaker 1: And that's why you see people online who are hurt
Speaker 1: well and they can't get their medical bills paid.
Speaker 2: Considering your constitutional argument, I'm surprised this hasn't been brought
Speaker 2: up in court along those lines previously. I mean, you know,
Speaker 2: you could have a court case over it and find
Speaker 2: that it beyond the power of the federal government to
Speaker 2: exert this this level of control over people's medical malpractice
Speaker 2: rights anyhow.
Speaker 1: Well, well, good, Yeah, I'm not sure if it's been tested,
Speaker 1: but the easiest answer is to repeal this. Yeah. Wait,
Speaker 1: the President could undo the emergency declaration and take the
Speaker 1: PREP backshield back off so that people could get their
Speaker 1: day in court, but he just hasn't yet. Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Well, let's uh, I guess I kind of wonder why
Speaker 2: maybe the pharmaceutical companies in the medical malpractory medical industry
Speaker 2: has a lot of sway over politicians. Anyhow. On that note,
Speaker 2: Congressman Thomas Massey, it's always a real pleasure having you
Speaker 2: on and look forward to having Judge of Polatano on next.
Speaker 2: God bless you sir. Keep up the great work and
Speaker 2: I'll look forward to having you back on the show
Speaker 2: real soon.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Brian. Give my best to the judge.
Speaker 2: You just did it. Thanks Man eight twenty seven. Judge
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