Speaker 1: Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and
Speaker 1: I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't
Speaker 1: help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as
Speaker 1: our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested
Speaker 1: in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm
Speaker 1: going over the same parenting topics over and over.
Speaker 2: So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,
Speaker 2: we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we
Speaker 2: thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,
Speaker 2: if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,
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Speaker 1: Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of
Speaker 1: an older entertainment property, and for this week of November eleventh,
Speaker 1: we're continuing with Lost season one, episode nineteen Dios ex Machina.
Speaker 2: It's a little heavy handed with the episode.
Speaker 1: Title, yeah is it ever? And what a bummer of
Speaker 1: an episode? O man, there is. The only fun here
Speaker 1: is Sawyer needing glasses if that's your comic relief. And
Speaker 1: by the way, not having glasses when you need it
Speaker 1: is very uncomfortable, and we shouldn't make fun of people
Speaker 1: who wear glasses. And also does Jack just have like
Speaker 1: a backpack full of dead people's glasses? He did? That's
Speaker 1: a little creepy, I gotta tell you. And the whole
Speaker 1: better or worse, better or worse was given me like
Speaker 1: horrible optometriyahacks, I never do that, right, you know? Is
Speaker 1: that they look the same, I don't know. And then
Speaker 1: when my glasses are perfect, it's like I knew I
Speaker 1: was giving the wrong hand. That was supposed to be
Speaker 1: the comic relief. Still a little traumatic, but not quite
Speaker 1: like having somebody can you out of it? Yeah, man?
Speaker 1: Or you know, falling in a plane.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And also you know, having been mister jungleman because suddenly
Speaker 1: you have the use of your legs and now you.
Speaker 2: Don't, and now you don't, but then you do again
Speaker 2: when you have to carry boone injured.
Speaker 1: And also Susie Kurtz, Yes, glad to see a honey.
Speaker 1: Really this is the part they give you. I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nice to see.
Speaker 1: You there for you know, a minute and a half.
Speaker 2: So this episode obviously is a lock flashback, and it's
Speaker 2: here we hear about Locke's bad dad and Daddy issues.
Speaker 1: Yes, real bad. Giving Christian Shepherd a run for his
Speaker 1: money and dad is not an easy thing to do.
Speaker 2: Not easy. Yeah, so do we? I mean it was
Speaker 2: he really is his dad, right? I mean, are we
Speaker 2: supposed to think that he's just some kind of a
Speaker 2: scammer who's.
Speaker 1: Identified cannot remember? It does seem to open, to leave
Speaker 1: open that possibility that he's just a scammer. And by
Speaker 1: the way, we've had stories about scammers before file this away. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know, but either way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, not a good dude, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 1: And my condolence is too poor. Guard Gate guy. Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: I don't think he's paying you enough. I bet you
Speaker 1: could get a better job.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep. I wonder if he knew all along.
Speaker 1: I bet he did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he did.
Speaker 1: Maybe he's a jerk also, but still, yeah, let's just
Speaker 1: assume he's a nice guy who needs a paychecker, right.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: That was pretty brutal.
Speaker 2: It was rough, And.
Speaker 1: That actor Kevin Tigue is good at playing.
Speaker 2: That's sort of my Weasley guy like that who makes
Speaker 2: you think he's your best buddy.
Speaker 1: Your bunny while he's stabbing you in the bag literally,
Speaker 1: like you do not trust that dude, I mean, Locke fell
Speaker 1: for it real fast.
Speaker 2: We don't we don't know the timeline of it, but like,
Speaker 2: where was this guy all his life? Yes, you know,
Speaker 2: I guess he said he said he didn't think he
Speaker 2: was born or whatever, but.
Speaker 1: Well, no, he has been in foster care. I don't
Speaker 1: think he knew anything about but I mean the dad
Speaker 1: like dad said, yeah, we didn't know that he existed.
Speaker 2: Right, because otherwise it's like, oh, you're so nice to
Speaker 2: me now, like yes, where what? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Anyway, Yeah, every time we have a lock flashback, we
Speaker 1: learn more and more about what an incredible sad sack
Speaker 1: this dude is, right, just what a what a sad
Speaker 1: sad life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know he.
Speaker 1: Got his little his little burst of glory there on
Speaker 1: the island, and now it looks like that's fading.
Speaker 2: Right. So although we did have at the end the
Speaker 2: hatch was responding to him, that's true. He kept insisting
Speaker 2: that the island would tell him what he needed to do,
Speaker 2: and it seems I mean, I definitely don't feel like
Speaker 2: anything good is going to come out of that container. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but that was a that was an interesting ending,
Speaker 1: and we'll give him hope. I guess. I guess, yeah,
Speaker 1: whether it should Yeah, yeah, poor Boone. And I think
Speaker 1: I'm going to say preemptively poor Charlie, because yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what we found.
Speaker 2: Yes, so we found a whole bunch of heroine.
Speaker 1: Yeah, nobody tell Charlie.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, so they and we learn a little a
Speaker 2: little more boone backstory about how he basically killed his nanny.
Speaker 1: But blames himself for it anyway.
Speaker 2: By running her ragged up and down the stairs just
Speaker 2: to be a little jerk.
Speaker 1: Yeah, things do not look good for Boone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, when you're inside of a wrecked plane that's up
Speaker 2: on a cliff and then it falls off the cliff
Speaker 2: with you inside, that's Oh. And let's not forget he
Speaker 2: found a couple of dead bodies along the way, one
Speaker 2: or two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was well, there was one that fell out
Speaker 1: of the tree.
Speaker 2: Right, but was there one in the planet? Was the
Speaker 2: one in the plane?
Speaker 1: I don't remember. If there was one on the plane,
Speaker 1: there might have been always a good omen. Yeah let's
Speaker 1: pick around dead people. But yikes. I mean I think
Speaker 1: at the point at which the dead body fell out
Speaker 1: of the trap, I would be like, see you back
Speaker 1: at Camp Lock. Good luck to you.
Speaker 2: I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: But uh oh boon, I think you may have thrown
Speaker 1: in with the wrong island dude. You could have you
Speaker 1: could have been toting a bag of glasses for Jack instead.
Speaker 2: You could have been soldering them together to make like
Speaker 2: bifocals or something.
Speaker 1: You could have been building a raft sun. You had
Speaker 1: so many options, so.
Speaker 2: Many other things you could have been doing, making a
Speaker 2: crib that now they need, you know, they need a
Speaker 2: high chair, they need a stroller, like, so much to do.
Speaker 2: Somebody could get.
Speaker 1: Busy things doing other than follow the crazy man into
Speaker 1: the jungle. But still you're loyal, I guess.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, we Locke was being the island papa to
Speaker 2: uh to be.
Speaker 1: You know, it was like we see the story of
Speaker 1: Locke's bad, bad dad bad, but then you know what,
Speaker 1: Locke was being a pretty bad dad too.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: If Locke is a dad figure to Boone, and surely
Speaker 1: he is, he was not taking care of that boy. No,
Speaker 1: he was driving him on to do things that were
Speaker 1: not going to work out well. Right, And you know,
Speaker 1: if the dream was any sort of premonition, they want
Speaker 1: to just leap him back at the camp from now on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: Because and the dream that Locke had Boone was like
Speaker 2: all bloody and yes, you know he he didn't.
Speaker 1: Look good, No, he didn't. So yeah, a lot of
Speaker 1: bad daddy going around. And I mean even Jack had
Speaker 1: to be kind of an asshole to Sawyer before he
Speaker 1: help him out, which yeah, I mean dads can do that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of a dad thing. But still right, really,
Speaker 1: just give the man his glasses, he's come to you
Speaker 1: in a moment of vulnerability. Give the man his classes.
Speaker 2: He's come to you because Kate dragged him there. But still.
Speaker 1: He's admitting to a weakness. Well, yes, it wasn't. It
Speaker 1: wasn't a real good day for Dad's Island. And otherwise
Speaker 1: is it such a theme of this show is like,
Speaker 1: you know, bad parenting all around, and in addition to
Speaker 1: all the bad dads parenting wise, when Nah Locke's newfound
Speaker 1: mom says you're special, like yeah, there's great things to come. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: don't ever do that to your kid, right, you can
Speaker 1: believe it. We all should believe our kids are special
Speaker 1: and that they're gonna gonna have great lives. But don't
Speaker 1: be dumping that on them.
Speaker 2: Yikes. Yeah, that's already been the case, for Walt and
Speaker 2: for Claire's baby.
Speaker 1: So nothing good can come of that of this show anyway. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and now, of course he feels the Island is talking
Speaker 1: to him and that he was brought here for a purpose,
Speaker 1: and that you know, he's meant to do something. And oh,
Speaker 1: don't put that in the kid's head. Don't put this
Speaker 1: in an adult's head. Don't put this in anybody's head. Right,
Speaker 1: we're all special. That does not mean it does not
Speaker 1: mean that Island's talked to was.
Speaker 2: Yikes. And also a block is now in possession of
Speaker 2: a weapon that he took off that body, so I
Speaker 2: could possibly go wrong another weapon, I should say. He's
Speaker 2: got plenty of knives already. Now he's got a gun.
Speaker 2: I don't think it has any bullets in it, but
Speaker 2: that shouldn't.
Speaker 1: Sounds Wave it around though and scare somebody, right.
Speaker 2: Plus, you know, he probably can figure out some way
Speaker 2: to make a bullet out of a coconut or whatever.
Speaker 1: He is. He can make glue, he could probably make bullets.
Speaker 1: Maybe there's some in the plane. Yeah, with the heroin,
Speaker 1: I had forgotten about the heroine, oh.
Speaker 2: Man inside all of the all of the.
Speaker 1: Religious icon, right, and you know, in addition to the
Speaker 1: comedy of Jack just having a bag of dead people's glasses.
Speaker 1: What a surgeon, That's what he is, basically is a surgeon.
Speaker 1: What a first surgeon? Also just know how to test eyes?
Speaker 1: Do you go about all the eye diseases? Yes, I
Speaker 1: mean I guess I would know to test people's eyesight
Speaker 1: by saying better, worse, worse, But then I wouldn't know
Speaker 1: what to do with that information.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly. And how do you know, like the glasses, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean he was he was testing them with, But
Speaker 2: how did he know, like, okay, on the right eye
Speaker 2: it's yeah. I mean, they didn't show him having one
Speaker 2: eye covered and then the other eye like it takes.
Speaker 2: It's probably.
Speaker 1: School and then I switched to surgery, so I have
Speaker 1: all this knowledge. I mean, basically he could just say, hey,
Speaker 1: here's a bag of glasses we collected, see if any
Speaker 1: of them try walked away by them all just the
Speaker 1: fact that he was apparently doing something doctor Leah.
Speaker 2: Well, they also did show him shaving, so I guess
Speaker 2: now we know that sometimes people shave. I mean, obviously
Speaker 2: there's way too much facial hair in place for them
Speaker 2: to not be shaving.
Speaker 1: But somebody went through all the detritus of the plane crash,
Speaker 1: of all the multiple sites and divviyat stuff up. Okay,
Speaker 1: here's the toilet trees, here's the conditioner and the shampoo. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got a shaving supplies. Here are the eyeglasses, you know?
Speaker 1: And so is there like a little island Walgreens that
Speaker 1: they've set up so that they can just come and
Speaker 1: get their Sundrys when needed.
Speaker 2: It sure looks like it.
Speaker 1: I thought that that Sawyer had just torted everything. But
Speaker 1: here's that things are just being freely used and given somebody.
Speaker 1: That would be a great flatshback and episode, just when
Speaker 1: they're trying to mark time to finish out a season
Speaker 1: of some previously unseen castaway just being in charge of
Speaker 1: all the the the small items of daily living. It's
Speaker 1: got some shelves set up in.
Speaker 2: A cave.
Speaker 1: Aditioner arranged by brand and scent and type of hair shampoo.
Speaker 1: Probably some well we need electricity to you as a
Speaker 1: blow dryer, but you know there might have been some
Speaker 1: home perm solutions there. Shaving and what is it that
Speaker 1: you need today, sir? Oh, let me get that you
Speaker 1: need something? Need the eyeglasses? Jack, I have them sorted
Speaker 1: out right here? You say he needs help reading? Okay,
Speaker 1: these are the reading quasses. Hmmm that I want to
Speaker 1: see that series. Yeah so he said, always said, this
Speaker 1: is just gonna be about surviving, surviving how one goes
Speaker 1: about that. We need to process the episode somewhere along
Speaker 1: the way without all the human drama.
Speaker 2: Come on, but this was not it.
Speaker 1: This was Oh, bad dads, bad dads everywhere, watch this
Speaker 1: show and do exactly the opposite.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And and also, if you're gonna, if you're gonna get
Speaker 1: your kid nanny, put his bedroom on the first floor.
Speaker 1: Come on, How hard is this? Why are you making
Speaker 1: the nanny run upstairs so you have a big house?
Speaker 1: Gay for you? Put them on the couch. Panting advice
Speaker 1: to your people who don't want your kid to be
Speaker 1: super messed up?
Speaker 2: Right, Well, too late for Boone.
Speaker 1: Too late for Boone, too late for Luck.
Speaker 2: Too late for pretty much anybody on this show. It's
Speaker 2: even probably too late for the kid who's not even
Speaker 2: born yet.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Too late for others yet unseen. Yeah so,
Speaker 1: and not the others, but just others, yeah, not those others,
Speaker 1: other others, all sorts of others. Yes, multiple groups. Anyway,
Speaker 1: next Tuesday, we'll continue with season one, episode twenty of
Speaker 1: Lost Do No Harm, which of course would be a
Speaker 1: Jack episode, and we will see you back here tomorrow
Speaker 1: to discuss shrinking. Thank you for listening. You can find
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