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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the Parenting Roundabout podcast. I'm Terry Morrow and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Catherine Jileco. As parents and parenting writers, we can't

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<v Speaker 1>help but see everything through a parenting lens. But as

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<v Speaker 1>our kids have become adults, we find ourselves more interested

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<v Speaker 1>in getting caught up on movies and streaming than I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going over the same parenting topics over and over.

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<v Speaker 2>So since we're pretty sure we can find parenting wisdom anywhere,

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to talk about what we're watching, what we

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<v Speaker 2>thought about it, and maybe what we can learn from it,

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<v Speaker 2>if only what not to do. Watch and listen along,

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<v Speaker 2>and let's all make like we're doing something important for

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<v Speaker 2>our families.

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<v Speaker 1>Each Tuesday we bring you a watch or rewatch of

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<v Speaker 1>an older entertainment property, and for this week of November eleventh,

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<v Speaker 1>we're continuing with Lost season one, episode nineteen Dios ex Machina.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a little heavy handed with the episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Title, yeah is it ever? And what a bummer of

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<v Speaker 1>an episode? O man, there is. The only fun here

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<v Speaker 1>is Sawyer needing glasses if that's your comic relief. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, not having glasses when you need it

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<v Speaker 1>is very uncomfortable, and we shouldn't make fun of people

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<v Speaker 1>who wear glasses. And also does Jack just have like

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<v Speaker 1>a backpack full of dead people's glasses? He did? That's

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<v Speaker 1>a little creepy, I gotta tell you. And the whole

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<v Speaker 1>better or worse, better or worse was given me like

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<v Speaker 1>horrible optometriyahacks, I never do that, right, you know? Is

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<v Speaker 1>that they look the same, I don't know. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when my glasses are perfect, it's like I knew I

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<v Speaker 1>was giving the wrong hand. That was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the comic relief. Still a little traumatic, but not quite

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<v Speaker 1>like having somebody can you out of it? Yeah, man?

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<v Speaker 1>Or you know, falling in a plane.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>And also you know, having been mister jungleman because suddenly

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<v Speaker 1>you have the use of your legs and now you.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't, and now you don't, but then you do again

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<v Speaker 2>when you have to carry boone injured.

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<v Speaker 1>And also Susie Kurtz, Yes, glad to see a honey.

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<v Speaker 1>Really this is the part they give you. I'm so sorry.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, nice to see.

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<v Speaker 1>You there for you know, a minute and a half.

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<v Speaker 2>So this episode obviously is a lock flashback, and it's

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<v Speaker 2>here we hear about Locke's bad dad and Daddy issues.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, real bad. Giving Christian Shepherd a run for his

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<v Speaker 1>money and dad is not an easy thing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Not easy. Yeah, so do we? I mean it was

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<v Speaker 2>he really is his dad, right? I mean, are we

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to think that he's just some kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>scammer who's.

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<v Speaker 1>Identified cannot remember? It does seem to open, to leave

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<v Speaker 1>open that possibility that he's just a scammer. And by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, we've had stories about scammers before file this away. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, but either way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, not a good dude, no, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 1>And my condolence is too poor. Guard Gate guy. Yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think he's paying you enough. I bet you

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<v Speaker 1>could get a better job.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yep. I wonder if he knew all along.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet he did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, maybe he did.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe he's a jerk also, but still, yeah, let's just

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<v Speaker 1>assume he's a nice guy who needs a paychecker, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>That was pretty brutal.

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<v Speaker 2>It was rough, And.

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<v Speaker 1>That actor Kevin Tigue is good at playing.

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<v Speaker 2>That's sort of my Weasley guy like that who makes

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<v Speaker 2>you think he's your best buddy.

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<v Speaker 1>Your bunny while he's stabbing you in the bag literally,

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<v Speaker 1>like you do not trust that dude, I mean, Locke fell

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<v Speaker 1>for it real fast.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't we don't know the timeline of it, but like,

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<v Speaker 2>where was this guy all his life? Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess he said he said he didn't think he

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<v Speaker 2>was born or whatever, but.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, no, he has been in foster care. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think he knew anything about but I mean the dad

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<v Speaker 1>like dad said, yeah, we didn't know that he existed.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, because otherwise it's like, oh, you're so nice to

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<v Speaker 2>me now, like yes, where what? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Anyway, Yeah, every time we have a lock flashback, we

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<v Speaker 1>learn more and more about what an incredible sad sack

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<v Speaker 1>this dude is, right, just what a what a sad

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<v Speaker 1>sad life.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you know he.

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<v Speaker 1>Got his little his little burst of glory there on

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<v Speaker 1>the island, and now it looks like that's fading.

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<v Speaker 2>Right. So although we did have at the end the

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<v Speaker 2>hatch was responding to him, that's true. He kept insisting

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<v Speaker 2>that the island would tell him what he needed to do,

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<v Speaker 2>and it seems I mean, I definitely don't feel like

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<v Speaker 2>anything good is going to come out of that container. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but that was a that was an interesting ending,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll give him hope. I guess. I guess, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>whether it should Yeah, yeah, poor Boone. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to say preemptively poor Charlie, because yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what we found.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so we found a whole bunch of heroine.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, nobody tell Charlie.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, so they and we learn a little a

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<v Speaker 2>little more boone backstory about how he basically killed his nanny.

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<v Speaker 1>But blames himself for it anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>By running her ragged up and down the stairs just

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<v Speaker 2>to be a little jerk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, things do not look good for Boone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, when you're inside of a wrecked plane that's up

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<v Speaker 2>on a cliff and then it falls off the cliff

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<v Speaker 2>with you inside, that's Oh. And let's not forget he

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<v Speaker 2>found a couple of dead bodies along the way, one

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<v Speaker 2>or two.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was well, there was one that fell out

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<v Speaker 1>of the tree.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, but was there one in the planet? Was the

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<v Speaker 2>one in the plane?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't remember. If there was one on the plane,

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<v Speaker 1>there might have been always a good omen. Yeah let's

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<v Speaker 1>pick around dead people. But yikes. I mean I think

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<v Speaker 1>at the point at which the dead body fell out

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<v Speaker 1>of the trap, I would be like, see you back

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<v Speaker 1>at Camp Lock. Good luck to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm out of here.

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<v Speaker 1>But uh oh boon, I think you may have thrown

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<v Speaker 1>in with the wrong island dude. You could have you

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<v Speaker 1>could have been toting a bag of glasses for Jack instead.

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<v Speaker 2>You could have been soldering them together to make like

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<v Speaker 2>bifocals or something.

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<v Speaker 1>You could have been building a raft sun. You had

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<v Speaker 1>so many options, so.

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<v Speaker 2>Many other things you could have been doing, making a

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<v Speaker 2>crib that now they need, you know, they need a

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<v Speaker 2>high chair, they need a stroller, like, so much to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Somebody could get.

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<v Speaker 1>Busy things doing other than follow the crazy man into

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle. But still you're loyal, I guess.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, we Locke was being the island papa to

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<v Speaker 1>You know, it was like we see the story of

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<v Speaker 1>Locke's bad, bad dad bad, but then you know what,

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<v Speaker 1>Locke was being a pretty bad dad too.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>If Locke is a dad figure to Boone, and surely

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<v Speaker 1>he is, he was not taking care of that boy. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he was driving him on to do things that were

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<v Speaker 1>not going to work out well. Right, And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>if the dream was any sort of premonition, they want

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<v Speaker 1>to just leap him back at the camp from now on. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Because and the dream that Locke had Boone was like

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<v Speaker 2>all bloody and yes, you know he he didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Look good, No, he didn't. So yeah, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>bad daddy going around. And I mean even Jack had

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<v Speaker 1>to be kind of an asshole to Sawyer before he

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<v Speaker 1>help him out, which yeah, I mean dads can do that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's kind of a dad thing. But still right, really,

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<v Speaker 1>just give the man his glasses, he's come to you

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<v Speaker 1>in a moment of vulnerability. Give the man his classes.

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<v Speaker 2>He's come to you because Kate dragged him there. But still.

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<v Speaker 1>He's admitting to a weakness. Well, yes, it wasn't. It

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't a real good day for Dad's Island. And otherwise

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<v Speaker 1>is it such a theme of this show is like,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, bad parenting all around, and in addition to

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<v Speaker 1>all the bad dads parenting wise, when Nah Locke's newfound

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<v Speaker 1>mom says you're special, like yeah, there's great things to come. Yeah, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>don't ever do that to your kid, right, you can

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<v Speaker 1>believe it. We all should believe our kids are special

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<v Speaker 1>and that they're gonna gonna have great lives. But don't

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<v Speaker 1>be dumping that on them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes. Yeah, that's already been the case, for Walt and

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<v Speaker 2>for Claire's baby.

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<v Speaker 1>So nothing good can come of that of this show anyway. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and now, of course he feels the Island is talking

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<v Speaker 1>to him and that he was brought here for a purpose,

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<v Speaker 1>and that you know, he's meant to do something. And oh,

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<v Speaker 1>don't put that in the kid's head. Don't put this

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<v Speaker 1>in an adult's head. Don't put this in anybody's head. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all special. That does not mean it does not

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<v Speaker 1>mean that Island's talked to was.

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<v Speaker 2>Yikes. And also a block is now in possession of

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<v Speaker 2>a weapon that he took off that body, so I

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<v Speaker 2>could possibly go wrong another weapon, I should say. He's

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<v Speaker 2>got plenty of knives already. Now he's got a gun.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it has any bullets in it, but

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<v Speaker 2>that shouldn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds Wave it around though and scare somebody, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Plus, you know, he probably can figure out some way

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<v Speaker 2>to make a bullet out of a coconut or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>He is. He can make glue, he could probably make bullets.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's some in the plane. Yeah, with the heroin,

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<v Speaker 1>I had forgotten about the heroine, oh.

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<v Speaker 2>Man inside all of the all of the.

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<v Speaker 1>Religious icon, right, and you know, in addition to the

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<v Speaker 1>comedy of Jack just having a bag of dead people's glasses.

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<v Speaker 1>What a surgeon, That's what he is, basically is a surgeon.

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<v Speaker 1>What a first surgeon? Also just know how to test eyes?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you go about all the eye diseases? Yes, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean I guess I would know to test people's eyesight

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<v Speaker 1>by saying better, worse, worse, But then I wouldn't know

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<v Speaker 1>what to do with that information.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, exactly. And how do you know, like the glasses, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean he was he was testing them with, But

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<v Speaker 2>how did he know, like, okay, on the right eye

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<v Speaker 2>it's yeah. I mean, they didn't show him having one

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<v Speaker 2>eye covered and then the other eye like it takes.

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<v Speaker 2>It's probably.

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<v Speaker 1>School and then I switched to surgery, so I have

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<v Speaker 1>all this knowledge. I mean, basically he could just say, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>here's a bag of glasses we collected, see if any

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<v Speaker 1>of them try walked away by them all just the

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<v Speaker 1>fact that he was apparently doing something doctor Leah.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they also did show him shaving, so I guess

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<v Speaker 2>now we know that sometimes people shave. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 2>there's way too much facial hair in place for them

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<v Speaker 1>But somebody went through all the detritus of the plane crash,

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<v Speaker 1>we got a shaving supplies. Here are the eyeglasses, you know?

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<v Speaker 1>And so is there like a little island Walgreens that

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<v Speaker 2>It sure looks like it.

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<v Speaker 1>I thought that that Sawyer had just torted everything. But

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<v Speaker 1>home perm solutions there. Shaving and what is it that

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<v Speaker 1>you need today, sir? Oh, let me get that you

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<v Speaker 1>out right here? You say he needs help reading? Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>these are the reading quasses. Hmmm that I want to

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<v Speaker 1>see that series. Yeah so he said, always said, this

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<v Speaker 1>is just gonna be about surviving, surviving how one goes

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<v Speaker 1>about that. We need to process the episode somewhere along

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<v Speaker 1>the way without all the human drama.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, but this was not it.

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<v Speaker 1>This was Oh, bad dads, bad dads everywhere, watch this

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<v Speaker 1>show and do exactly the opposite.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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<v Speaker 1>And and also, if you're gonna, if you're gonna get

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<v Speaker 1>Come on, How hard is this? Why are you making

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<v Speaker 1>the nanny run upstairs so you have a big house?

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<v Speaker 1>Gay for you? Put them on the couch. Panting advice

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<v Speaker 1>to your people who don't want your kid to be

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<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, too late for Boone.

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<v Speaker 1>Too late for Boone, too late for Luck.

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<v Speaker 2>Too late for pretty much anybody on this show. It's

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<v Speaker 2>even probably too late for the kid who's not even

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, yep. Too late for others yet unseen. Yeah so,

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<v Speaker 1>and not the others, but just others, yeah, not those others,

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<v Speaker 1>other others, all sorts of others. Yes, multiple groups. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>next Tuesday, we'll continue with season one, episode twenty of

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<v Speaker 1>Lost Do No Harm, which of course would be a

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<v Speaker 1>Jack episode, and we will see you back here tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>to discuss shrinking. Thank you for listening. You can find

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