WEBVTT 1 00:00:13.640 --> 00:00:17.199 Podcast join host Hoho as he discusses the rimiting Netflix 2 00:00:17.280 --> 00:00:22.239 original series Black Mirror. Now Here he is Hoo hoo hoo. 3 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:31.640 We're broadcasting from the Park Studio. Welcome to Black Mirror 4 00:00:31.719 --> 00:00:35.520 Podcast and as always, I'm your host, ho Ho. So, 5 00:00:35.640 --> 00:00:38.039 how y'all's doing. I hope you're doing good. I really do, 6 00:00:38.200 --> 00:00:41.320 because today we're going to be talking about the season finale, 7 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:50.439 episode five, Season six, titled Demon seventy nine. Now, before 8 00:00:50.479 --> 00:00:53.799 we get into it, I gotta say spoiler alert. We 9 00:00:53.920 --> 00:00:56.079 are going to be talking about the episode, so if 10 00:00:56.119 --> 00:00:59.119 you haven't watched it yet, please head on over to 11 00:00:59.200 --> 00:01:04.560 Netflix check out that episode Demon seventy nine, and then 12 00:01:04.879 --> 00:01:09.519 come back over for a listency and joining the conversation. 13 00:01:10.319 --> 00:01:15.120 Have a good time with it. Definitely. Indeed, Now let's 14 00:01:15.159 --> 00:01:18.920 go ahead and get into it. But you know, we 15 00:01:19.040 --> 00:01:21.000 are going to be talking about the episode, but not 16 00:01:21.120 --> 00:01:22.359 a whole heck of a lot. I'm not going to 17 00:01:22.400 --> 00:01:24.920 spend a lot of time on that. What I want 18 00:01:24.959 --> 00:01:30.359 to talk about instead is the psychological dilemma that they 19 00:01:31.040 --> 00:01:35.120 bring up in this episode. And you know, they they 20 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:38.040 really did a good job bringing this dilemma up, didn't they. 21 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:42.599 I mean, they did a fantastic job they really did. Now, 22 00:01:44.079 --> 00:01:49.319 I got admit something to you. This episode wasn't exactly 23 00:01:50.400 --> 00:01:52.840 what I expected, I guess you can say. I mean, 24 00:01:53.400 --> 00:01:55.519 I really thought that with the title, it would be 25 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:58.879 a little bit more darker than what it was, and 26 00:01:59.000 --> 00:02:01.560 it really wasn't, you know. But don't get me wrong. 27 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:03.879 They did a really good job doing the episode. I 28 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:08.240 was just expecting a little bit darker, you know, especially 29 00:02:08.439 --> 00:02:12.319 in the scene where the demon actually shows up and 30 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:15.840 you see him for the first time. But there was 31 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:17.800 I mean, like that was dark. You know. I really 32 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:19.680 wish they would have lightened that up a little bit 33 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.879 so that this way we can see what the demon 34 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:23.439 really looked like, you know, I mean we get a 35 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:27.280 hint of it, and you know, he looks typical demon 36 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.560 fashion of what you would expect. But I just I 37 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.199 wish that the lights were a little brighter so I 38 00:02:33.240 --> 00:02:35.639 can really get a good idea of what he looked like. 39 00:02:35.800 --> 00:02:38.280 But you know, that part kind of it kind of 40 00:02:38.319 --> 00:02:42.199 disappointed me. It really did. Another aspect of it that 41 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:47.319 I wish that they did was, you know, I kind 42 00:02:47.360 --> 00:02:50.360 of was figuring that they would go the way of 43 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:55.560 you know, well, they had a demon in there, you know. 44 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:58.439 And I was halfway expecting them to throw an angel 45 00:02:58.560 --> 00:03:01.080 in there too, to kind of have that good versus 46 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:06.280 evil demon and an angel type of a showdown, and 47 00:03:06.439 --> 00:03:09.479 they didn't do that. Now, Now, don't get me wrong, 48 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:12.879 there's there is that struggle of good and evil, but 49 00:03:12.960 --> 00:03:21.919 it's more of an internal struggle that the main character, Nita. Yeah, 50 00:03:22.080 --> 00:03:24.719 Nita has to has to fight within herself, you know, 51 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:28.159 she has to fight her own moral compass, you know. 52 00:03:28.360 --> 00:03:32.280 And and that how they ended up doing it. The 53 00:03:32.639 --> 00:03:36.199 moral struggle, the dilemma that they went ahead and they 54 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:39.000 attacked in this episode. It wouldn't have worked if they 55 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.479 throw if they threw an angel in there, it just 56 00:03:41.879 --> 00:03:44.439 it just wouldn't have worked, not the same, you know. 57 00:03:45.520 --> 00:03:51.960 But what is that moral dilemma? Well, in the episode 58 00:03:53.520 --> 00:03:58.639 and whenever the demon Gap I think was his name, 59 00:03:58.719 --> 00:04:04.120 Yep Gap, when the demon you know, made contact with Nita, 60 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:10.439 he and this is of course once he hit, once 61 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:12.800 he has been I guess you can say, for for 62 00:04:12.919 --> 00:04:15.919 a lack of better term, you know, set free. You know, 63 00:04:16.040 --> 00:04:21.120 he presents her with the very real dilemma, a choice 64 00:04:21.600 --> 00:04:25.560 if you will, and you know this choice in a 65 00:04:25.600 --> 00:04:27.399 matter of speaking, I got to be honest with you, 66 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.800 It kind of reminded me of you know how the 67 00:04:32.160 --> 00:04:38.279 demons in you know, Jim Jim Butcher's The Dresden Files, 68 00:04:39.079 --> 00:04:42.120 the Order of the Black and Denarian Denarius, you know 69 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:44.360 how they kind of did things a little bit. It 70 00:04:44.439 --> 00:04:47.480 kind of reminded me of that that whole you know, 71 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:50.720 they're they're stuck in an a talisman and somebody has 72 00:04:50.839 --> 00:04:54.199 to touch it in order for them to gain access 73 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:57.199 into that person, but they have to let you in. 74 00:04:57.399 --> 00:04:59.560 And I thought that, I thought that aspect that it 75 00:04:59.680 --> 00:05:01.279 kind of reminded me a little bit of that, and 76 00:05:01.600 --> 00:05:03.680 I thought that was still an interesting way to do it. 77 00:05:04.160 --> 00:05:07.040 How they did it, you know, it played out very well, 78 00:05:07.120 --> 00:05:10.879 it really did. But the choice that he presented her 79 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.240 it hit me. I mean it really did. It hit 80 00:05:16.319 --> 00:05:20.959 me because you know, it was the the do nothing 81 00:05:22.120 --> 00:05:28.399 and there is an apocalyptic event, because what what the 82 00:05:28.480 --> 00:05:32.920 demon told her to do was sacrifice three people in 83 00:05:33.160 --> 00:05:38.319 three days, each having to be done before midnight in 84 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:42.639 order to stop the apocalypse. And if she is able 85 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:48.000 to do that, then you know, the demon can help 86 00:05:48.079 --> 00:05:55.240 her and no apocalypse, and of which case that's I 87 00:05:55.439 --> 00:05:58.279 was like, wow, you know, I mean, that's that's a 88 00:05:58.839 --> 00:06:01.759 that is a moral dilemma if I have ever seen 89 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:07.199 one ever, you know, because Okay, so I'm I'm a 90 00:06:07.279 --> 00:06:10.199 fan of psychology, you know, I like psychology. I'm not 91 00:06:10.439 --> 00:06:14.600 a psychic, maybe a psycho, I'm you know, I'm not 92 00:06:14.720 --> 00:06:18.800 a psychiatrist by any stretch of the imagination. But those 93 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:21.680 type of things intrigued me, and they have for a 94 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:24.959 very long time, they really have. And you know, I 95 00:06:25.040 --> 00:06:28.319 don't know if this is like basically something that they 96 00:06:28.519 --> 00:06:31.800 do with people that go into the CIA, or whether 97 00:06:31.879 --> 00:06:34.600 it's something that you know, they do with people going 98 00:06:34.720 --> 00:06:38.720 into you know, into the FBI, but they pose a 99 00:06:38.839 --> 00:06:41.879 question to them, okay, and and kind of I guess 100 00:06:41.920 --> 00:06:43.879 what they're trying to measure is, you know, whether or 101 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:47.720 not somebody's a psychopath and or different things of that nature. 102 00:06:47.759 --> 00:06:52.079 Because it truly is a hard dilemma. It is a 103 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:56.240 moral dilemma, and it really is a difficult one. You know. 104 00:06:58.480 --> 00:07:02.560 The kind of the how they play it out is 105 00:07:02.680 --> 00:07:08.040 you got a train barreling down the tracks, okay, and 106 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.480 if you do nothing, then the train will stay on 107 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:15.759 the tracks that it's on and it will run into 108 00:07:16.519 --> 00:07:19.240 you know, take your pick a school bus full of children, 109 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:24.319 a you know, a vehicle filled with a family of people, 110 00:07:24.519 --> 00:07:26.759 you know, for sake people however many want to throw 111 00:07:26.839 --> 00:07:30.600 in there. Or you have the choice to you know, 112 00:07:30.920 --> 00:07:33.279 grab a hold of the handle and turn it to 113 00:07:33.399 --> 00:07:36.959 where the train goes down a different set of tracks, 114 00:07:37.319 --> 00:07:41.160 and of which case tied on those tracks is or 115 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:44.839 on the tracks is a vehicle with one individual in it. 116 00:07:46.319 --> 00:07:49.800 And so your moral dilemma is do you make the 117 00:07:50.040 --> 00:07:55.720 choice to do nothing and kill a bustload of children, 118 00:07:55.879 --> 00:08:00.639 or do you take action, change the tracks that the 119 00:08:00.720 --> 00:08:03.639 train is going to go down and kill one person. 120 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:10.160 That's the moral dilemma. Now, if you're anything like me, 121 00:08:11.199 --> 00:08:15.279 you know, whenever I kind of played that mental game 122 00:08:15.399 --> 00:08:18.560 within my own head, and this happened long before I 123 00:08:18.680 --> 00:08:21.759 seen this episode. But when you play that, you know, 124 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:23.680 play that game in your own head, I mean the 125 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:28.480 rational aspect of your mind, the logic portion of your 126 00:08:28.519 --> 00:08:33.720 brain is like absolutely, you know, you take action, you 127 00:08:33.919 --> 00:08:37.919 kill the one, the one person dies, and you save 128 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:40.600 the many. So you know, you sacrifice the few to 129 00:08:40.799 --> 00:08:43.879 save the many. And that was the moral you know, 130 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:49.399 the moral dilemma that the main character Nita was posed with. 131 00:08:50.279 --> 00:08:52.879 You know, that's what it amounted to. It sacrifice the 132 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.559 few to save the mini. And it was done like 133 00:08:57.720 --> 00:08:59.440 more or less in the same way, because it was 134 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:02.639 a dude, nothing and you know, millions of people die 135 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:06.279 or you know, you do what you need to do. 136 00:09:06.480 --> 00:09:09.159 You sacrifice the three people on the three days, and 137 00:09:09.320 --> 00:09:15.679 then all is well, apocalypse doesn't happen, you know, and 138 00:09:18.639 --> 00:09:21.000 moral dilemma, holy crap. But I tell you what though, 139 00:09:21.000 --> 00:09:23.120 you know, like I was saying, the rational mind, it's like, 140 00:09:23.159 --> 00:09:27.000 oh yeah, absolutely, you know, you sacrificed a few for 141 00:09:27.600 --> 00:09:29.600 you know, to save the many, and that's of course 142 00:09:29.720 --> 00:09:34.080 what you do. But and here's the thing, and this 143 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:36.960 is how they you know, one of the things about 144 00:09:37.000 --> 00:09:44.720 this episode that they do brilliantly is she struggles with it, 145 00:09:44.879 --> 00:09:50.320 doesn't she. I mean, she really really struggles with it 146 00:09:50.440 --> 00:09:52.320 so much to where, you know, it's like the first 147 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:58.320 person that she ended up killing it was the demon 148 00:09:58.440 --> 00:10:01.919 had to show her who the person was before she 149 00:10:02.039 --> 00:10:05.799 can even remotely become okay with it. And then the 150 00:10:05.879 --> 00:10:11.120 second person was, you know, a murderer. The third person 151 00:10:13.200 --> 00:10:16.320 was his brother, and that was more more of a 152 00:10:17.039 --> 00:10:20.679 you know, save yourself to take care of that, which 153 00:10:20.759 --> 00:10:23.840 ended up playing on her behalf, because if she hadn't 154 00:10:23.960 --> 00:10:27.360 done that, then you know, apocalypse would not have been avoided. 155 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.840 And then she went out and she changed during the 156 00:10:30.960 --> 00:10:33.879 process of this, right, I mean, how could how could 157 00:10:33.960 --> 00:10:39.279 doing something like this not change you? And it did, 158 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:42.399 I mean it very much, because she went from being 159 00:10:42.600 --> 00:10:47.840 a you know, being a nice kind of quiet. I 160 00:10:47.879 --> 00:10:49.519 don't want to say timid, but I mean she was 161 00:10:49.600 --> 00:10:53.159 definitely quiet. She was a helpful person, but she was 162 00:10:53.440 --> 00:10:58.519 she was just quiet. She did her job. I mean, granted, 163 00:10:58.600 --> 00:11:02.399 she fantasized about doing some stuff, and I cheered a 164 00:11:02.440 --> 00:11:06.320 little bit, you know, whenever she took her her coworker's head, 165 00:11:06.720 --> 00:11:09.960 her face, whenever she was being all rude and mean 166 00:11:10.039 --> 00:11:12.720 and whatnot, and just took it and smashed it into 167 00:11:12.879 --> 00:11:16.960 the display case, breaking the glass, getting cutting all cutting 168 00:11:17.000 --> 00:11:19.600 her face all up. I was like, yes, you know, 169 00:11:19.679 --> 00:11:21.879 a little bit of cheering going on, I got, admit. 170 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:25.600 So she had that darkness in her, she really did, 171 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:30.159 but it wasn't something that she acted upon her. At least, 172 00:11:30.200 --> 00:11:32.559 we don't get the hint of that in this episode. 173 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:35.759 We don't get that, you know, we don't get that hint. 174 00:11:35.840 --> 00:11:38.600 We don't get that it just it doesn't seem like her. 175 00:11:38.799 --> 00:11:42.159 She's more passive aggression. I guess she can say maybe. 176 00:11:42.279 --> 00:11:50.720 I don't know, but it was it changed her, you know, 177 00:11:50.879 --> 00:11:56.879 because it took something away from her and in a 178 00:11:56.960 --> 00:11:59.039 matter of speaking, and I don't know if it did, 179 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:01.279 I can't really say either way, but I don't think 180 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:05.159 she even realized what was going to happen. I don't 181 00:12:05.200 --> 00:12:07.399 think she was prepared for that aspect of it, how 182 00:12:07.480 --> 00:12:09.840 much it was actually going to change her. And it 183 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:15.159 seemed like it really did, you know, It really seemed 184 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:17.480 like it changed who she was because you know, like 185 00:12:17.639 --> 00:12:20.440 once she got to a point to where she was 186 00:12:20.480 --> 00:12:23.360 a little bit more comfortable with what she was doing, 187 00:12:24.480 --> 00:12:28.960 you know, not that you know it's it was also 188 00:12:29.200 --> 00:12:32.399 almost an aspect of it, at least at the end, 189 00:12:32.440 --> 00:12:34.600 with the with the last person that she decided to 190 00:12:34.679 --> 00:12:39.519 sacrifice for for the greater good. It was almost that 191 00:12:40.240 --> 00:12:42.639 Hitler type of a question, you know. I mean if 192 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.320 you heard that one post, you know, if if you 193 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:50.360 were able to go back in time, knowing what you 194 00:12:50.559 --> 00:12:55.600 know about you know, Hitler and with with all the 195 00:12:55.759 --> 00:12:59.200 people that of deaths that he was he would orchestrate, 196 00:12:59.639 --> 00:13:02.480 would you go back and kill baby you know, baby 197 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:07.080 baby Hitler, you know, and of which case you would 198 00:13:07.120 --> 00:13:10.120 say that, no, absolutely not, you wouldn't do it because 199 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:13.120 it's a baby. Baby Hitler is innocent. But at the 200 00:13:13.200 --> 00:13:16.799 same time, you also know that in the future he's 201 00:13:16.879 --> 00:13:19.840 going to do some really, really bad stuff. At this point, 202 00:13:19.919 --> 00:13:25.759 he hasn't he hasn't orchestrated anything, his decisions hasn't changed anything. 203 00:13:26.519 --> 00:13:29.360 But yet you still have that same type of moral dilemma, 204 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:32.480 and that when she ends up going through as well. 205 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.200 So I mean, it's not only the moral dilemma of 206 00:13:35.879 --> 00:13:40.279 you know, saving sacrificing the few to save the many. 207 00:13:41.279 --> 00:13:44.639 It was also the you know, in a matter of speaking, 208 00:13:44.720 --> 00:13:48.600 it was it was the the baby Hitler moral dilemma. 209 00:13:50.440 --> 00:13:54.320 And by the time she got to the baby Hitler 210 00:13:54.399 --> 00:13:57.639 moral dilemma, it was very much I mean like it 211 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:01.039 was already changing her. It was already you know, but 212 00:14:01.240 --> 00:14:07.639 she chose the the baby Hitler. In this case, it 213 00:14:07.840 --> 00:14:10.679 was a Michael smart As who it was a politician 214 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:14.879 that was going to orchestrate, to basically orchestrate the death 215 00:14:15.120 --> 00:14:19.080 of many people, and she was like, I choose him 216 00:14:19.960 --> 00:14:25.200 as the third and final sacrifice, you know, And it 217 00:14:26.000 --> 00:14:28.360 It was very telling and I wasn't surprised whenever I 218 00:14:28.440 --> 00:14:30.240 seen this, But the demon tried to talk her out 219 00:14:30.240 --> 00:14:32.159 of it. It's like, no, you know, my you know, 220 00:14:32.279 --> 00:14:34.559 the Home office is going to be you know, kind 221 00:14:34.600 --> 00:14:38.360 of upset about this one because you know, although Michael 222 00:14:38.399 --> 00:14:43.679 Smart has not killed anybody, which disqualifies them from you know, 223 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:49.799 counting as one of the sacrifices, it was. He's he's 224 00:14:49.840 --> 00:14:52.519 a team player, you know. They want to keep him 225 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.679 in play. They don't want to they don't want him 226 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:58.679 to be sacrificed because they don't really consider that a sacrifice, 227 00:14:58.720 --> 00:15:03.480 you know. But she's like, oh no, this is who 228 00:15:03.519 --> 00:15:07.039 I'm doing. This is how it's going to happen. He's 229 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.799 not disqualified. This is what's going to happen. And you know, 230 00:15:10.960 --> 00:15:17.240 again this ordeal changed her, and the change really happened 231 00:15:19.080 --> 00:15:24.960 whenever for her own safety she had to sacrifice. Well, 232 00:15:26.279 --> 00:15:28.039 she didn't know it was a sacrifice at the time, 233 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:31.360 you know, or at least that wasn't her motivation behind it. 234 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:38.720 But Keith, the person who murdered his wife, you know, 235 00:15:38.840 --> 00:15:42.519 the victim number two. She didn't know that that wouldn't 236 00:15:42.679 --> 00:15:46.960 count in her favor. Something that we learned after the fact. 237 00:15:49.759 --> 00:15:53.320 And then Keith's brother Chris shows up and you know, 238 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:56.399 again for her own safety, so that this way she 239 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.200 wouldn't be spotted at the scene of a crime. She 240 00:16:00.399 --> 00:16:05.519 killed him too, which was a sacrifice that counted in 241 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:07.919 her favor, and you know, thankfully for her and for 242 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.159 you know, everybody else. I guess you can say he 243 00:16:11.360 --> 00:16:14.879 died just before midnight, like he died, took his last breath, 244 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.039 and then bammed the clock strikes twelve, and it was 245 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.240 it was wow. She she got lucky on that one, 246 00:16:21.279 --> 00:16:27.240 didn't she She did. But this episode having two separate, 247 00:16:27.600 --> 00:16:37.840 very big, significant psychological plays of a moral dilemma with 248 00:16:38.200 --> 00:16:41.559 sacrifice in the few to save the many, and then 249 00:16:41.679 --> 00:16:49.039 the question of baby Hitler, It's like, wow, I mean, 250 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.519 I got admit, I wasn't quite prepared for that. It 251 00:16:51.759 --> 00:16:55.039 wasn't something that I was expecting. It really wasn't. I 252 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:58.120 was expecting a different type of a show, you know, 253 00:16:58.279 --> 00:17:00.960 I was. I was expecting something a little bit more dark, 254 00:17:02.279 --> 00:17:07.279 and you know, they kind of snuck these moral dilemmas 255 00:17:07.319 --> 00:17:09.279 in on you. I mean, I didn't really see him 256 00:17:09.319 --> 00:17:12.559 coming at first. It wasn't until after the fact that 257 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.680 I that I was able to kind of think about 258 00:17:14.720 --> 00:17:18.359 the episode a little bit more that I was really like, oh, 259 00:17:18.359 --> 00:17:21.920 holy cow, they got me because I didn't see it coming. 260 00:17:23.200 --> 00:17:25.119 You know. Again, it wasn't until after the fact that 261 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.920 I put two and two together and it was like, Wow, 262 00:17:29.400 --> 00:17:33.160 they snuck that one in on me. I was impressed. 263 00:17:33.240 --> 00:17:38.160 I really was. And so with the first moral dilemma, 264 00:17:39.359 --> 00:17:43.160 you know, the sacrificing the few to save the many. 265 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:49.200 You know, now, like I was saying earlier, the rational mind, 266 00:17:49.279 --> 00:17:54.559 the logical mind knows what decision I would, I would 267 00:17:54.640 --> 00:17:56.640 I would make. I would have to make this decision, 268 00:17:58.200 --> 00:18:02.000 you know, I I know and I understand that I would. 269 00:18:02.079 --> 00:18:05.200 And that's the logical rational mind. And you know that 270 00:18:05.440 --> 00:18:09.440 the caveat in there is you have no option, see right, 271 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:16.279 You can't sacrifice yourself. And it's one of these two scenarios. 272 00:18:16.480 --> 00:18:19.200 You know, either it's the bus or it's the you know, 273 00:18:19.319 --> 00:18:24.000 the bus full of children or a single individual. There 274 00:18:24.119 --> 00:18:28.000 is no option, see you know, it's either do nothing, 275 00:18:28.119 --> 00:18:31.319 which is making a choice and a lot of people die, 276 00:18:31.559 --> 00:18:37.119 or do something act You're taking physical responsibility for the 277 00:18:37.200 --> 00:18:42.200 decision that you are making. And one person, you know, 278 00:18:42.319 --> 00:18:44.599 there is no option, see, and that's always a caveat 279 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:47.640 that's in this type of a scenario, that's the caveat, 280 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:51.319 and that was the caveat in this episode. That's the 281 00:18:51.480 --> 00:18:56.720 caveat that Nita had to decide. She had to do that. 282 00:18:59.799 --> 00:19:04.039 So the rational mind, I know what decision I at 283 00:19:04.160 --> 00:19:11.319 least should make. The question is would I be able 284 00:19:11.400 --> 00:19:16.000 to make it? You know, because that really is the question, 285 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:19.559 isn't it. I mean it's yes, it's easy to say, 286 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:24.000 you know, as a hypothetical, that this is what you 287 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:26.799 would do. It's really easy to say that. You know everybody, 288 00:19:26.880 --> 00:19:29.319 you know, everybody has a plan until they get punched 289 00:19:29.359 --> 00:19:31.880 in the face. You know, that's something that you know, 290 00:19:32.039 --> 00:19:35.440 Mike Tyson says about his boxing career. You know, everybody's 291 00:19:35.440 --> 00:19:37.519 got a plan until they get pushed in the face. 292 00:19:37.559 --> 00:19:39.240 And I just throws the plan right out of the water. 293 00:19:40.039 --> 00:19:43.759 So yeah, my rational logical mind knows that this is 294 00:19:43.839 --> 00:19:50.880 the way to go. However, would you actually be able 295 00:19:50.960 --> 00:19:54.559 to do it? And I can't answer that one. I mean, 296 00:19:54.680 --> 00:19:58.480 I gotta be honest with you, I couldn't. I can't 297 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:02.279 answer that. It be hard, you know, it really would 298 00:20:02.359 --> 00:20:08.599 And would I walk away from that unscathed mentally emotionally, 299 00:20:08.799 --> 00:20:11.519 how you know would I be able to walk away 300 00:20:11.559 --> 00:20:14.839 from that unscathed? And I don't think I would, you know, 301 00:20:15.039 --> 00:20:17.839 I really don't. I mean, I don't. I don't know 302 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:21.640 as if I would fare any better than what Nita did. 303 00:20:23.960 --> 00:20:27.319 I don't see how anybody could walk away from that unscathed, 304 00:20:28.640 --> 00:20:32.160 because either way you look at it, whether it's through 305 00:20:33.759 --> 00:20:37.319 cowardice and doing nothing that a lot of people die, 306 00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:41.839 or whether it be through your own hands somebody else 307 00:20:41.920 --> 00:20:45.119 that you're responsible for somebody's death, either way you look 308 00:20:45.200 --> 00:20:49.039 at it, you know it's almost one of them things 309 00:20:49.079 --> 00:20:51.079 that there's no right answer, you know what I mean? 310 00:20:52.359 --> 00:20:55.799 But again, the rational mind, yes, I can rationalize that 311 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:59.119 it makes sense, and that's that's exactly what I know 312 00:20:59.559 --> 00:21:02.599 I would do, however, or at least I know I 313 00:21:02.680 --> 00:21:09.480 should do. However it would change me. And I don't know, 314 00:21:09.559 --> 00:21:11.599 as if, I don't know what type of decision I 315 00:21:11.599 --> 00:21:13.720 would make on that one. I really don't. I don't. 316 00:21:14.119 --> 00:21:19.200 I man moral dilemma, holy crab, because that's where the 317 00:21:19.279 --> 00:21:23.319 rubber beats the road, right. It's one thing to have 318 00:21:23.680 --> 00:21:29.119 the theory, the thought exercise. It's another to actually have 319 00:21:29.400 --> 00:21:33.599 to do it. Wow. And then so is that something 320 00:21:33.640 --> 00:21:37.920 that you think you would be able to do? Do 321 00:21:38.039 --> 00:21:40.440 you think you would do it any different than how 322 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:45.039 Nita did it? You know, if you were pose with 323 00:21:45.200 --> 00:21:51.119 that same question, the sacrificing of the few to save 324 00:21:51.279 --> 00:21:54.799 the many? Do you you know? One, which do you 325 00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:56.920 think would be the right way to go? And two 326 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:00.759 would you be able to do it? And like I 327 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:05.240 said before, there is no option. See which would you 328 00:22:05.319 --> 00:22:07.440 be able to do? Let me know. I'm curious, I 329 00:22:07.519 --> 00:22:09.799 really am, you know, Send me an email. Ho Ho 330 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:14.319 at the Black Mirror podcast or Black Mirror podcast dot com. 331 00:22:14.440 --> 00:22:16.680 Send me an email because I'm interested. I want to 332 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:19.759 know these things I really do. And then moral dilimma 333 00:22:19.880 --> 00:22:23.480 number two, the baby Hitler dilimma, because this is kind 334 00:22:23.519 --> 00:22:25.480 of okay, this is how it plays out with me, 335 00:22:25.640 --> 00:22:29.640 all right, because it's like, yes, the rational mind knows 336 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:36.480 that going, you know, it knows the atrocities that Hitler committed, 337 00:22:37.359 --> 00:22:40.359 knows what he did, knows that he basically tried to 338 00:22:40.599 --> 00:22:47.799 exterminate an entire group of people. You know, the Holocaust 339 00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:51.400 was an ugly thing, it really was, and it's hard 340 00:22:51.480 --> 00:22:56.839 to grasp the true impact that it had until you 341 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.480 go to to some of these places and you see 342 00:23:01.599 --> 00:23:04.599 you know, the Museum of It, you know, I mean 343 00:23:04.640 --> 00:23:08.480 it puts it I've never been, but from what I've 344 00:23:08.599 --> 00:23:11.519 heard of people describing it that it puts a whole 345 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:16.000 new depth of reality into for you, you know, I mean, 346 00:23:16.039 --> 00:23:20.200 it really changes your perspective on it, you know. And 347 00:23:20.319 --> 00:23:24.160 so going back in time, the rational mind knows that, yeah, 348 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:28.480 this is a person whom will do all these things. 349 00:23:28.519 --> 00:23:31.759 It's not a question. You know, it's not a question, 350 00:23:32.000 --> 00:23:36.559 it's an answer. You've lived the future, You've experienced the future. 351 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:39.119 You know that this is what he's going to do. However, 352 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:43.519 you book, you go back in time to baby Hitler. 353 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:52.559 Baby Hitler isn't guilty of anything. Baby Hitler hasn't done anything. 354 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:57.599 We're talking like, you know, we'll go with like three, 355 00:23:57.799 --> 00:24:03.400 between three and five years old, Okay, old enough to 356 00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:06.480 walk around. You know, he's starting to show his personality, 357 00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:15.839 but he's still a kid. He's still a young child. 358 00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:22.200 He's still innocent of the atrocities that he will commit 359 00:24:22.359 --> 00:24:24.359 later on down the road. Would you be able to 360 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:30.839 do it? Yeah, rationally, you know what the correct answer 361 00:24:30.880 --> 00:24:35.920 would be. Logically, you know what the right move is 362 00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:41.680 to be. But when push comes to shove, when you're 363 00:24:41.759 --> 00:24:49.400 actually forced to take action, do nothing. Many people die 364 00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:56.359 or the sacrifice of one, but you're the one that 365 00:24:56.480 --> 00:25:03.119 has to act on that. Wow. Again, I don't know 366 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:08.599 because the baby hasn't done anything wrong yet. I mean, 367 00:25:08.680 --> 00:25:14.640 these are moral dilemmas huge, and Nita had to face 368 00:25:14.720 --> 00:25:19.400 two of some of the hardest ones to face, right, 369 00:25:19.519 --> 00:25:25.799 I mean, Wow, dude, this episode caught me by surprise. 370 00:25:25.880 --> 00:25:28.759 It really did, because those moral dilemma things, they caught 371 00:25:28.799 --> 00:25:32.480 me off guard. I wasn't expecting it. Holy crap. It 372 00:25:32.640 --> 00:25:36.119 was a good episode, you know. I was expecting something different. 373 00:25:37.160 --> 00:25:39.200 I wished it would have been a little darker than 374 00:25:39.240 --> 00:25:43.640 what it was. But they got their point across, didn't they. 375 00:25:44.680 --> 00:25:50.920 So let me know what you think. You know, how 376 00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:54.480 logical and rational are you? Do you think you would 377 00:25:54.519 --> 00:25:56.880 be able to do it? Do you not? Or maybe, 378 00:25:57.039 --> 00:25:59.400 considering the topic, maybe you should just keep your mouth shut. 379 00:25:59.440 --> 00:26:01.319 I don't know, but either way you look at it, 380 00:26:01.640 --> 00:26:03.599 let me know. Send me an email at ho Ho 381 00:26:04.279 --> 00:26:08.799 at the at Hoho at Black Mirror podcast dot com. 382 00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:11.440 Let me know what you would do. Either way. I'm 383 00:26:11.519 --> 00:26:14.759 curious I want to know anyway. You know, I appreciate 384 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.599 y'all stopping by taking a list, and I really do. 385 00:26:17.720 --> 00:26:20.920 I appreciate each and every one of you. It means 386 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:23.880 a lot to me, it really does. So with this 387 00:26:24.039 --> 00:26:27.440 being the season finale in two to three weeks, I'm 388 00:26:27.480 --> 00:26:30.599 going to be doing a recap, talking about the season 389 00:26:30.759 --> 00:26:34.119 in its entirety and even trying to come up with, 390 00:26:34.799 --> 00:26:39.599 you know, my favorite episode, my top two, maybe a 391 00:26:39.799 --> 00:26:43.599 ranking of all of them, whichever the case may be. 392 00:26:44.039 --> 00:26:45.680 So that was going to be getting released in the 393 00:26:45.759 --> 00:26:49.720 next two to three weeks. And I also have some 394 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:54.680 good news. They are releasing a season seven sometime in 395 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:57.400 twenty twenty five. I'm not really sure what the day 396 00:26:57.599 --> 00:26:59.960 is of when they plan on releasing it. I don't 397 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:03.079 know how far into production they are. I really didn't 398 00:27:03.119 --> 00:27:06.880 read that much into it, and so far, Charlie Booker 399 00:27:06.960 --> 00:27:11.720 has been pretty quiet on things, and so quiet in fact, 400 00:27:11.799 --> 00:27:14.480 the only things that we know about season seven is 401 00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:20.039