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pet Life Radio you can join me here. There's something
happened this week last week to my unfortunately my sister
or brother in law's dog, and it's something that we see.
It's concerning to me because it's not really preventable. The
problem is not preventable. So what you need to do
is understand and know first of all what it is,
what dogs are predisposed, and what you can do and
how fast. Here's the key with this. You need to
go fast. And it is called well, the simple term
is bloat. Technically it's called GDV. It's a gastric dilatation
of vovules. What happens is the stomach sitting in the test.
It's usually deep tested large breed dogs. Can happen to
other dogs too, But if you have a deep tested
large wee dogs, your Retrievers, Great Danes, notorious Nobleman's standard poodles,
and now so you have all these doodles, which are
usually a retriever, golden or labrador with a poodle. So
again prime targets. What happens is that because of that
deep hanging chest these dogs. By the way, it it
doesn't necessarily mean running around. It's not like mom telling
you don't go swimming. You know, for an hour after
you eat, these dogs will eat fast and they will
drink a lot of water. So the volume of ingest
in the stomach literally starts to increase. Dramatically. So now
you have a heavy weighting stomach. So now the dog
can easily be just lying down on one side and
then rolling over to the other side. But that stomach
is it's way. It doesn't roll with them, It stays there.
So basically the body is rotating around the stationary stomach.
So now you can see what happens is the front,
the top of the stomach at the cardia, and the
bottom is done with pylorus. They literally now twisted three
hundred and sixty degrees. Now what happens That seals off
both okay, both the top end of the bottom end.
So now gas the stomach starts increasing, and that's why
we call it bloat, is it fills up with gas.
And so now the spleen, which is also heavy, starts
to get engorged because the blood can't escape. So the
deeper major arteries are pushing with more pressure, so the
blood can still rush in, but now the blood can't
ooze out from the veins, and you end up having
a major problem with that, and you have to get
there fast. You have to recognize it. These dolts start
to dry heave vomiting, all right, and so that's what happens.
They drive, heave, They're trying to vomit, but they can't.
And these are the things you want to recognize the
dog exactly that trying to vomit, but nothing really coming out.
Maybe a little bit of phlegm, a little bit of
a stomach acid, all right. Their stomach is getting bigger
and bigger and bigger. They're abdomen I should say. You
can't feel the stomach, but the abdomen, so it's almost
like you get tight like a drum. You beat on it,
you can push it in. The dog is getting weaker.
Look at the gums. They're getting a little paler, they're
getting sluggish. This is an emergency. We're to talk about
emergencies in the second half of the show. What is
an emergency? This is an emergency. You need to get
your dog to an emergency facility as fast as you can.
As they say, do not stop, you go clicker or chronolysis.
Just run as fast as you can and you can
save their life. It's an immediate surgery. It's a surgical disease.
And depending on how extensive the damage is, because it
depends how long the blood supply was cut off, you
need to derotate the stomach. That's what we do in surgery,
and then we sometimes have to look at the scleen.
Many times the scleen has to be removed as well,
and then you tap the stomach to the right side
of the inside of the chest to prevent it from
happening again. But here's the key. The dog can have
a very successful surgery, but the next forty eight hours
they have to be monitored very carefully because what we
get is a reperfusion injury. As soon as the stomach
is derotated, putting back of the normal position, and now
all the blood starts pouring in to where it couldn't
for the less, and it is becomes major problem. So
again we need to be very very careful monitored. Their
blood gases have to be monitored. In general, it's a
very problem based surgery and a condition. But many times,
I would say, I'm afraid to say most of the time,
many many, many times, if you get there soon enough,
fast enough, and the animal is a good candidate for surgery,
then it could be fixed. Many times it happened to
these older dogs and they have other problems associated and
they're not good candidates for surgery. The risk of surgery
is worse than the bloat. It is very frustrating because
you did nothing wrong. So one of the things that
we could do to help, knowing if you have that dog,
of that breed, of that body formation, is first of all,
don't let them gobble up water and food so fast.
I recommend slow feeders. My yellow lab who's now fourteen,
I mean he's been on a slow feeder since he
was a pup because retrievers notoriously can't stop eating fast enough.
They just want to gobble it up all at once,
So that's a problem. And then also what happens a
lot of time is the faily it's hot, where they
come in from a walk, they'll go to that water
bowl and they will polish off an entire water bowl
in one sitting. You cannot let them do that. You
gotta pace it, think about it. You don't want that
stomach to bloat to get really huge. And that's how
we help this. It is really a very frustrating condition
because there's not a lot you can do it to
prevent it other than that, but it still can happen,
all right, any questions about that, please reach out to me. Meanwhile,
I'm waving. So my senior dog, thirteen years of old,
sudden showing dizziness and falling on his back. Okay, we
had a video conversation with Bed. Okay, So here's the
thing that usually when I see that, the first question
I'm going to ask is did come on suddenly? The
answer yes. And I had a very famous person, a
very big Hollywood person. Years ago. I was at a
conference in Miami and Florida, Orlando at the van and
was a North American veteran conference. They're reading able to
VMX and I get a call from this guy. He says,
we lost the Alexander's Norman. We lost Norman. I go,
what do I mean? You lost him? He goes, He's here,
but he's not here. He's glued to the ground. He
can't get up. Every time he gets up he falls over.
And already in my mind, this is where experience plus
a little bit of knowledge. I don't know much knowledge
I have, but certainly experienced after forty plus years is wisdom.
I asked him, I said, do we favor I want
you to grab his face. I want you to look
straight into his eyes. What his eyes doing? He goes,
they're flickering back and forth. Okay, now that's just confirmed
what I kind of knew already, but I wanted to
confirm it before I tell him don't go to emergency.
And that is it is idiopathic, the similar disease. It
is a balance and equilibrium problem inner middle ear. It
can come on like that. It often goes away fairly quickly.
It could take days, but it's going to go away.
Nothing you really need to do about it. Sometimes to
give them benajol, not so much to stop the problem,
but it kind of calms him down. Then you can
give something like people take for dizziness. All right, So
any of those anti dizzy pills mechlausine, a trade name bonding,
you can do that as well, twenty five milligrams a
milligram per pound. So it happens with any dog. But
that's how you kind of dose it, and it's very safe.
Even overdose a little bit is not so terrible and
tincture of time. This really not just protect them, make
sure he doesn't fall over, make sure he gets anything
out of his way, won't hurt himself when he tries
to get up. But basically what happens is this is
our plane of equilibrium with these dogs. It's now like this.
So he's trying to right himself, but he can't because, oh,
his plane of normal is off. So everything is cock
eyed and it is scary to see. But it is
idiopathic vestibular disease. There from idiopathic. We joke about it
in Verian medicine. Cast stepper is how you're doing. We joke.
Idiopathic means it just it happens on its own, with
no known cause, nothing that you did, Nothing had happened
to the dog. It's idiopathic. We as veterinarians, we joke
and say idiopathic. It made We're a bunch of idiots.
We can't figure out why it happened. But anyway it
does happen, it looks worse than it is. So people
have been telling the story that you you let this guy.
You just told them, don't worry about it. Not sending
him to Jeff. You can he can ruin you. I
know that you know what I was right, and uh
as I said it was. There are very few things
unless he got a hold of something. But even then
there's really no treatment unless he's really hurting. Himself because
the dizziness. But they do pretty well all right for
Lesson although slow, yes, it's still gonna be a tilted
his head. As a matter of fact, I'll tell you
when that. My mom's dog, Siba, a white German shepherd,
had this problem multiple times over her latter years, and
she finally recovered completely, but her head for the rest
of her life a little bit tilted. That was her
new world, her new equilibrium was now like this, but
she lived with it, and it was really cute because
she would always have her head cocked a little bit
to the side. But she did fine, all right, say
eighteen hello, hello, I'm waving and waving. What are your
thoughts attending that? Hold On thoughowed it up and did
not recommend anything where I'm other than observation that exempt again,
there's really no treatment. The only thing I would do
because they're dizzy is I would use an anti dizzy medication,
something for vertigo, and that's mechlausine or bonning. You find
it with dramamine, but it's a little better than dramamine
because it's over the counter. Just go to the CBS
of the Walgreens and milligram per pound I'm lockxtane's gonna help.
It may help, but I'll tell you what, it won't hurt.
So it's worth a try, all right, exactly away from stairs.
Nothing that they can fall with, all right, la PetCare
or hey, how you doing, Lauren? And when you're a
joint life with Corey Gate suddenly and they love this, Okay,
diarrhea for almost a week, back into a normal otherwise thoughts.
So testing negative for jardia. So when we see this is,
by the way, thank you a lot. This is a
great question. So when we have this kind of diarrhea,
it's usually mucus, a little blood sometimes and when it's
red blood, and that's very important. I'll tell you in
a minute why. But they're otherwise normal. They're eating normal,
they're acting normal, they're everything else is normal. So that's
why when I hear this again, I don't panic. This
is one of those emergencies, which really isn't. We'll talk
about that that after our break. So what I recommend, firstly,
simply adding a little fiber to the diet brand cooked
oat meal, canned pumpkin, cook street potato, silium, powdered pure
sili and powder. Don't get the stuff that's in the
commercial products unless you check the ingredients and make sure
that they don't have a xylotol, which is an artificial
sweetener that is often added to the silium on the
commercial products. And obviously dogs don't do well with a xylotol.
So you give you a little small amount. Maybe for
a forty pound dog, it'll be one or two teaspoons.
If ucillium powder, which is something more concentrated, would mean
might be a half a teaspoon. Smaller dogs might be
a quarter. Little dogs might be an eighth of a
teaspoon of silium powder. But they're very effective. Now, other
things that you can do. You can talk to your
veterinarian if that doesn't work, and maybe a little flagile
flagil will help. But the problem is it, don't panic.
Don't start changing foods because if you switch out foods,
then that's another thing that causes. So what causes this?
I'll run down the list. It's pretty complete list, but
you're go think in your head, wow, it could have
been any of those. Well, a lot of those happen. Nerves, stress, excitement, anxiety, diet,
diet change, eating something here, she shouldn't have and finally Giardia,
a parasite, which was our tested negative. So when you
think of a dog's daily routine, how many things I
mean that gonna be a lot of those things. They
got from the walks, they went to the dog park.
There sited new people, bad people, you know, another dog
in the house, somebody going on outside, delivery, people barking
at the door, all of that. If it gets them
worked up too much, and of course any kind of
diet you gave a new treat, they got a hold
of something. Now you've decided to change food too quickly.
There are many possibilities as long as they're acting fine
and you're seeing mushy stool soft like cow patty consistency,
maybe some mucus on it, maybe some blood. Now let's
talk about the blood. How do we know that it's
large bowel versus a small bowel. When it's large bowel,
large intestine at the very end of the gi tract,
if it leads a little bit because of the inflammation
losing of some of the mucous layer, which is usually protective,
then the blood coming out is going to be fresh blood.
We call it frank blood. Now, if there's bleeding like
an ulcer or an irritated high up at the GI
track see the stomach or small intest and by the
time it comes out, it's going to be black and tari.
When you see black stool, that's more of a concern
that's going to require some investigation. A veterinar I visit
some more heavy dude, not heavy duty drugs, but specific
drugs that will coat the ingest, that coat the intestine.
And these dogs, if they have small bowel diarrhea, they're
usually not acting normally. They're depressed, lethargic, they're not eating well.
I mean, so there are other things that are going on.
So anyway, you have to keep that in mind. So
try those adding a fiber and let me know over
the countermits yeah, it's going to be either mechlasine trade
name is Bonnie bo Ni n E, but you now
generic maclasine. It comes twenty five milligrams. You dose it
at a milligram per pound, so a fifty pound dog
would get two. A little corgi you might just get one,
you know, twenty five pounds, maybe thirty pounds. I'm glad
that airvet made you comfortable. I love it all right,
so yes, totally air Vet. It's saved to an orgency run.
And that's why I promote it a lot. Okay, oh yeah,
so Hardwick Sharon. Yes, anything that swells up that stomach
to make it like heavy within that deep test. If
it's a narrow chest, a small test, then it really
can't make the move. But if it's a deep test
and they turn then again. So now we recommend that
you modify the amount of food or water they can
take in too fast. That slow feeder that I use,
it works, wonders. I mean, my little dogs will eat
their smaller amount of food, but they'll eat relative to
their body size way faster. I go out and Tommy
is still munching away because it's really slows them down.
All right, we are time for a break, So hi, JB.
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Speaker 2: We're just talking about labradors. The question from cast Snippers
two labs that are out of control with food absoutely.
Nothing can be left on a counter, even high up.
They would eat until they put that is and I'm
just joking. That is what we all joke about labradors.
They do not know when enough is enough. They will
eat until they bloat, So we've got to be very
very very careful with them. We leave nothing out. But
if I have a lab, I joke. In our kitchen
we have these latches to close drawers, lock them. They're
basically for babies. I mean, yes, I have grandkids and
I use it for them as well. But even when
no one's around it's just the two of us and
I leave the lab in the kitchen, I can definitely
have them shut. He knows how to open drawers. He
will there nose, and he's fourteen years old. He can't
jump up as much anymore. So maybe things on top
of the counter are a little bit of safe, but no, no,
as far as anything he can reach its history if
I don't lock it, so that those are elaborators for you.
Oh okay recommended fleet care for cats.
Speaker 3: All right?
Speaker 2: So uh, I would say that the one I like
the best is Credelio. There is still Revolution, which is
now Synergy Celimectin. It's the Revolution is no longer the
only one. The active ingredient is called Celimectin. It is
sold as Celimectin. It is sold as another brand, Synergy.
It is sold still originally as revolution. I still like that.
I still find it effective. I don't find it safe
for dogs. I just don't find it as effective anymore.
But it seems to still work on cats. Remember it's
a topical. When you put a topical on a cat,
it's got to be very high up, not between the
shoulder blade like you do a dog, like the old stuff.
When you use advantage in frontline, know this, you have
to put way up high it the napele and neck
almost just behind just behind the head where because they
can't turn around lick it, they can get through the
shoulder blades though, so keep that in mind. But Cordelio
is a pill. It is once a month pill. I
find it very effective. And for those of you who
used to use comfortists, which I liked as well, they
are no longer making it. I don't know whether it's political,
it's not a safety issue. I think they were losing
market share because of all these new ones. Again, I'm
not in that industry. I'm not privy to all the
reasons why some of these companies will stop making a product.
It was made by a very reputable company who was
still in business. I think it was a market share issue.
It just wasn't worth it with all these new products,
and they didn't want to go ahead and compete anything
that will make them full. Yes, anything. The whole idea
is to maintain some control over what goes into the mouse,
all right, Flee cats to go outside, flee care. Yes,
So that's I'm saying it's going to be Cordelio. It
would be a Cordelio cat. And I don't think any
the other three I sucks azelines are making cat correct me.
I think Next Guard again because because Cordelia was the
only one might be coming out or might have already
come out with a cat product as well. But don't
count on. I got to do some more homework on that,
but I believe I saw something recently Next Guard cat
and again Next Guard a very good product as well.
So I'll tell you what for sure, when I come
back in January from VMX in Orlando, I will know
a lot more because I I though I work with
you know, Scripple Vet, I work with a company, but
I will still be walking through the halls getting information
for you, doing stuff for my social media. So I'll
find out, oh good, and that nice? My life with
Corgi's the thirty five dollars a month membership forever. It
just paid for itself, and it did, it did okay,
So Kelly, how you doing? Ah good, Shannon, great, great question.
That's why I'm very careful and I try to be
that when we talk about adding fiber, any of those fibers,
the sweet potato, the pumpkin, all yes, if you give
too much, That's why I'm very careful because people said, no,
I offered them, you know, pumpkin, or offered them sweet potato.
How much I gave him instead of his food going no,
I want to be very careful, very very clear about this.
You don't want to change their food. You want to
feed their regular food, regular everything. Just add to it
a tea spoon to a tablespoon other size, the animal
of whatever the fiber it is. And whenever you if
you think of using sillium powder, do a quarter to
a half of that dose. So if you're going to
give a teaspoon of pumpkin, use a quarter teaspoon of
silium powder. If you're gonna use a half a teaspoon,
use an eighth. I mean you just got to be
really really careful because silium powder very effective. I know
that the GI people that I've heard speak recently like
sillium the best, so I'm throwing it out there. But
I have also had a lot of luck with the
other high fiber cooked oat meal, can pumpkin cook sweet potato,
cooked yams, those seem to work well. Also all right
for free care for outdo under or cats, Yes, so
again that's what they're gonna be. The recommendation JB. Either
still use the topical Revolution or also under trade names
Synergy Celimectin. The actual drug is Celimectin. It's an eyfromectin derivative.
Or you can do for sure cridelio cat cr E
D E L I O. I like that one too.
Get online. It's got to be approved by veterinarian. So
make sure you let your veterani know they're going to
get either something from Chewi or whatever vet's first choice,
or pet you know, pet meds or you know what
if you have a Costco. Costco has a pretty darn
good selection of pet medications, but you need then you
need a written prescription from your veterinarian, so keep that
in mind. But it's a very good product. As I said,
maybe Next Guard will be coming out with their cat
answer if they haven't already. Oh God, I'm glad you're
using the Cordelia. Ah, there we go. Next Guard Plus
has a great cat and flea products, so thank you
Cat Snippers. So yeah, it did come out. I don't
have it yet. I probably will because I really do
like the Next Guard line. And but we we have
Crdelia available too, So anyway, that's that's good. What is
the home remedy of ooid dermatitis on dogs? Our white
dogs are like a twin on your rescue started to
have yeast on his can? Okay, all right, So there's
really no great home radio, but yeah, I guess there is.
I take that back. You need to find a good
shampoo or topical spray. I have one called Dermamist. Dukeso
has a very good product. There are good products out
there that have an antibacterial. It's usually going to be
benzol peroxide or chlorhexidine or benzyl conium chloride and ketoconazole.
It's a topical antifungal. The thing is, when you are
going to put something topic on your dog, you gotta
be careful if it's one spot you can use like
a cream round, but you can't do that for a
whole body. So it's got to be something that is
easy that is not going to clog up poors. Try
like a spray or good shampoo. Now when you're gonna
shampoo a dog with anything that is like this for
these product problems, you know, think about this. If you
had a sore and you put a triple antibotic ointment
on it, and as soon as right after you put
it on, you wipe it off, how effective is it
going to be? Not much? So you gotta let it
sit there for at least ten, preferably fifteen minutes. Just
lather up the dog. Let it sit there, whether it's
outside hooked up like you're using your garden nose, like
you're washing your car, or if it's a smaller dog
and you're an inside the tub, or if it's a
really small dog inside of the kitchen sink or the
laundry broom sink. But you gotta after the l up
before you rinse off. It's got to sit there and
it's going to do some work. Now for medications, if
it's a yeast dermatitis yeast, by the way, very difficult
and unfortunately we see a number of dogs that have it.
You may need on top of the topical stuff, you
may need medication. It's either gonna be flu conaisol, cuta connossol,
actric connaisol. But those have to come from your veterinarian
and you want to have your dog checked first. And
sometimes they can do little really cool smears, skin scrapings,
or I call a Scotch tape test where you take
an area that you think is it's got flaky and
it's They take a piece of regular old clear, good
utility cleared, not the frosted tape, clear Scotch tape like
Scotch brand, okay, and you put it on, you push
it really hard, and then you put it off, put
it right on a microscope and you stain it and
you can actually see some of the east the fungal particles.
So that is another possibility to make a diagnosis. Nima, Hi,
how are you? Thanks for following I said to you
while cleaning my water van, Because yeah, no, it's good Mike. Interestingly,
he said, one of my cats loves to drink straight
out of a faucet. It it hits his face, it
drives it. Faith and he licks it as it's coming
off his face, or he puts his paw under the
water and as it's filling up on the paw, he's
licking it off at the same time. But he'll so
we'll drink water. I have a fairly good sized water
bowl and the kitchen, and I'm amazed that how fast
these cats drink water. And if Tommy my lab gets
to it, that's not got to be really careful. As
I said, I don't want to have him drink too
much at once, But then again, if he's thirsty, I
feel guilty. So you have to do is you know,
if you sit at that water bowl drinking, you know
he's thirsty, So take the bowl away, wait, you know,
twenty thirty minutes, and then let him have some more water.
Just you don't want to like have him do it
too much all at once, because that is that's again
what might predispose him to bloat. That's how we started
the show talking about TDV gastric dialutation vovulus, and it
is a very serious condition and we obviously want to
avoid that. Amanda, I want to make sure I got everybody.
So anyway, oh vshall I got you here? And now
I wave back, so let's see all right, So I'll
be next Sunday. I think it depends on what time
I get back. I already told Mark, our producer over
at pet Life Radio, I am going to be at
Chicago for the American Animal Hospital Association show, and I
don't come back. I have an early early flight, like
at six am, so I don't land until like eight
something eight thirty. I probably won't get my car and
get here in time, so I may do my show
if it's okay with all of you. At ten, I
told Mark that as soon as I land, I will
call him and get it set up. Since I'm a
live show, he might be able to change some other
things around.
Speaker 3: Mark.
Speaker 2: Am I still the only live show on pet Life? Yeah?
So I'm only a live show, so I'm a really
big pain in the butt for him because the other
show is he can play anytime mine. It's got to
be right on time. So for those of you who
are available, instead of being nine am here noon in
the East, it's going to be or in Chicago would
have been eleven. So now it's going to go probably
an hour later, hopefully if I realize if there's any
probably you know, flying at this time of year, who knows.
So we'll see. It should be a good show. And
then I have a lot of traveling comeing up over
the next well over the next few months, so but
I think it shouldn't usually effect my Sundays anyway. If
you have any questions during the week, you don't have
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of the things that we can talk about, I can
help you with what you would have gone to emergency
had you not been able to talk to somebody, And
I would tell you ninety percent, maybe even higher than that,
of the quote unquote emergencies that you're dealing with are
not and except one of the ones it is is
that bloat. So you got to act fast, all right. Now,
we have a great week, everybody. I'm off so one
of our high school classmates, so I'm going to see
my brother in law and my sister and my wife.
We all went to the same high school. And one
of our friends, one of my classmates, Steve's classmates, has
a place right in Santa Monica, right on the beat.
It's a beautiful place right on Santa Monica Beach, and
we're having kind of a kind of like a mini reunion,
mostly from one of the elementary schools that they all
went to. I didn't, but they most of my friends
from high school happened to be from this Elementually I
become an honorary member of the Hawthorne Group. So anyway,
looking forward to seeing everybody, and again we'll be here
maybe next week, but if we are, it's going to
be an hour later hanging there with me. I promise
I'll do my best. Otherwise we'll see in two weeks.
But Durdan, you don't have to wait to see me
on pet Life Radio or on Instagram. You can get
a hold of me any time. All right, be well,
get out. Let's talk pets every week on demand only.
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