Speaker 1: Yeah, it is that time, time to make a change.
Speaker 1: You're listening to Truth Time with doctor Cornell West and
Speaker 1: Nina Turner. We counted all joy that we are here
Speaker 1: together today. Per usual, Doc, we are excited. So much
Speaker 1: going on in the world, in our country and the world.
Speaker 1: One of the things that are just just on my mind,
Speaker 1: really really tough is the fact that the Democrats decided
Speaker 1: to put a taco truck in front of the Republican
Speaker 1: National Committees headquarters to give out free tacos, and they
Speaker 1: used the slogan that Trump what was their slogan, Trump
Speaker 1: Always chickens Out and that spells taco. You know, just
Speaker 1: thinking to myself of all the things that the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party could be doing to advance ideas and policies, to
Speaker 1: stand up for working class people, to change material conditions,
Speaker 1: to plot and plan, strategize organized. Those are the words
Speaker 1: of our brother Michael Rinder aka Killer Mike. I don't
Speaker 1: think putting a taco truck outside of the RNC headquarters
Speaker 1: with the slogan Trump Always chickens Out it's quite meeting
Speaker 1: the mark for the needs today. But I don't know, Doc,
Speaker 1: That's just me. So we'll get to that some other
Speaker 1: things that are on our mind. But first we got
Speaker 1: to start with you, Doc. You're in the house, so glad.
Speaker 2: I tell you, yeah, all of this trickery and gimmickry,
Speaker 2: it's all superficials, vacuity. It's it's empty, but it's a
Speaker 2: sign of a mag a managerial class that lacks imagination,
Speaker 2: and it also lacks courage, so it just wants to
Speaker 2: appeal to the spectacle rather than get at substance. And
Speaker 2: you can't have substance if you don't have character. You
Speaker 2: can't have character if you don't have courage, And you
Speaker 2: can't have courage unless you're willing to take a rich
Speaker 2: unless you're willing to live and be willing to actually
Speaker 2: die for something while you live. And if you don't,
Speaker 2: if you're not moving in that direction, then it's clear
Speaker 2: that it's just all gimmickry. And unfortunately that characterizes so
Speaker 2: much of the leadership of the Democratic Party and of
Speaker 2: course Republican parties, just downright gangsterism, so that we locked
Speaker 2: into this system of overwhelming corruption. But I tell you
Speaker 2: this though, that one of the things on my mind.
Speaker 2: I was up late last night watching the line dancing
Speaker 2: of the Senior hands dance of Earner's gist there in
Speaker 2: Virginian d MV, which is you know the Three States.
Speaker 2: There's something about this line dancing, you know eight o
Speaker 2: three fresh coming out of Carolina or the Carolina so everywhere.
Speaker 2: Now you got these folks dance with these boots on
Speaker 2: the ground. We got their fans waving boots on the ground,
Speaker 2: and that is for real. There's something very authentic about
Speaker 2: folk moving their bodies in a groove like way to
Speaker 2: a music that speaks to their soul. It could be
Speaker 2: King George, it could be David Scott's your Birthday, it
Speaker 2: could be Glee roy Allen just talking about I l
Speaker 2: O V y O U. People are hungry for the
Speaker 2: real thing in this line dancing, I think is I
Speaker 2: hope it is a prefiguration of deeper forms of Black
Speaker 2: people coming together in genuine solidarity, not uniformity, but acknowledging
Speaker 2: the diversity of voices, but still coming together in order
Speaker 2: to defend ourselves and determine ourselves. And they affirm our
Speaker 2: dignity and do it in such a way that we're
Speaker 2: willing to live and die. I say, now that's it's
Speaker 2: a move from a line dance to being a freedom fighter.
Speaker 2: We understand that. But those in the line dance, they free.
Speaker 2: I was talking down they hit about this last night.
Speaker 2: They are free, and everybody doing it their own way.
Speaker 2: You got sisters up in there and moving. Some of
Speaker 2: them got wig some of them got their natural hair,
Speaker 2: some all of them dignified, all of them looking beautiful.
Speaker 2: Some of them eighty years old, and some of them
Speaker 2: are twenty five. And I give it up the eight
Speaker 2: o three fresh, because part of his vision is the
Speaker 2: whole movement is trying to get us back to a
Speaker 2: deep soulfulness. And soul is the sharing of a soothing
Speaker 2: sweetness against the backdrop of a catastrophe that's real as
Speaker 2: a heart attack, that is new as foam and as
Speaker 2: solid as a rock. Stay you back fall.
Speaker 1: Facky Royman, you're laying it out. I love that, y'all.
Speaker 1: I love that. Boots on the ground. I ain't tried
Speaker 1: it yet. I know my my significant other, he wants
Speaker 1: me to learn that. He said that that's gonna be pretty.
Speaker 1: He said that's gonna be Oh yeah, you.
Speaker 3: On the ground, dolls man and the hit the We
Speaker 3: we be doing our little thing, you know, right in
Speaker 3: front with the earnest just group right there with those
Speaker 3: magnificent black folks.
Speaker 2: It's just a beautiful thing. And and it's it's it
Speaker 2: just reverts us back to family, community, tradition, struggle, black
Speaker 2: joy at all of this despair, you know, damping your
Speaker 2: fire to put out your soul. No, no, sometimes all
Speaker 2: you can do is sing a song or crack a smile,
Speaker 2: a shed a tear, get in the line and just
Speaker 2: dance with the others. And you don't have to even
Speaker 2: get necessarily go with the steps. All the time. I
Speaker 2: see some folk in there just moving with the line.
Speaker 2: They're just moving, moving with the line. You see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a it's a beautiful thing. And
Speaker 1: finding that joy, you know, joy in the revolution, joy
Speaker 1: in the work. We got a pause because that's how
Speaker 1: we keep going. And we know in terms of our
Speaker 1: ancestors and what they bring, there's like this collective memory
Speaker 1: of black people. You know, many of us have not
Speaker 1: been to the continent. Certainly, many of us don't necessarily
Speaker 1: know where our specific ancestors hail from on the continent.
Speaker 1: But there is a collective bringing over carryover some of
Speaker 1: those traditions that we might not quite understand but back
Speaker 1: when you jextapose our line dancing with what our sisters
Speaker 1: and brothers and family friends doing over there on the continent,
Speaker 1: maybe it's pretty much the same.
Speaker 2: You see the yes, absolutely deep similarity overlap strong.
Speaker 1: It's uncanny. I mean, it's almost scary, you know. And
Speaker 1: we are we are the most emulated people on the
Speaker 1: planet listening to Truth Time without the corner west And
Speaker 1: and Nina Turner, we're talking about black joy in the
Speaker 1: midst of the struggle. You know, earlier this morning we
Speaker 1: were together doing some things. And you know, yesterday as
Speaker 1: I was coming you know, my social media, just reading
Speaker 1: some articles too, and saw this that the Democratic Party
Speaker 1: was giving away tacos yesterday between twelve and two pm
Speaker 1: in front of the RNC, and their thing that they're
Speaker 1: pushing is Trump always chicken chickens out. And so I
Speaker 1: quote tweeted on top of that, I had to. I
Speaker 1: had to. I had to. I had to step back
Speaker 1: for a minute because I wanted to cuss only, but
Speaker 1: I calmed myself down. I wanted to speak in tongues,
Speaker 1: you know. I took a step back, and this is
Speaker 1: what I quote tweeted on top of this foolishness, this nonsense.
Speaker 1: I said at DNC, no, you know, and I have
Speaker 1: to put a whole bunch of o's. This stunt further
Speaker 1: illustrates how unserious are party is, or for others who
Speaker 1: are not part of the Democratic Party, how unserious the
Speaker 1: party is. People are starving, people are losing jobs and
Speaker 1: health care, and y'all playing kid games tricks are for kids?
Speaker 1: Do I just you know, for a party that has
Speaker 1: a twenty seven percent approval rating, a party that lost
Speaker 1: the popular vote and the electoral College. The President Donald J.
Speaker 1: Trump made him stronger this time around than he was
Speaker 1: even when he won back in twenty sixteen. I'm just
Speaker 1: thinking to myself, y'all have not learned any lessons at all.
Speaker 1: People's health care is being taken with the cuts to Medicaid.
Speaker 1: Folks work in a gig economy that if it was
Speaker 1: extra money it would probably be okay. But for some
Speaker 1: people they got four and five gigs just to string together.
Speaker 1: We got chaos brewing in the White House, in the Congress,
Speaker 1: in the Judiciary, and y'all think is proven y'all being
Speaker 1: the leadership of the Democratic Party to win now they
Speaker 1: had to pay for this I don't know how much
Speaker 1: costs a taco truck to give away tacos in front
Speaker 1: of the RNC, And then they think they doing something
Speaker 1: that just didn't sit well with me, giving the suffering. Now,
Speaker 1: if people were doing alright, and most people were doing
Speaker 1: mighty fine, I still would have thought it was stupid.
Speaker 1: But in the midst of the crisis that we are
Speaker 1: in right now, and they think this is cute, They
Speaker 1: think that this is gonna hurt President Trump, which it
Speaker 1: is not. It just shows that, you know, maybe it
Speaker 1: ain't fit the lead.
Speaker 2: Mmm, no, but no, I hear you. I hear you
Speaker 2: those strong words though it's just I guess it's both
Speaker 2: sad but to be expected. That vision is lacking, backbone
Speaker 2: is lacking, spine is lacking in the leadership of the
Speaker 2: Democratic Party. It's just a fundamental fact. No color, not
Speaker 2: even a matter of color, because you got some black,
Speaker 2: white ones, brown ones, and others just want to fit
Speaker 2: into the established man that wanna be able to act
Speaker 2: as if you know, all they need to do is
Speaker 2: just make fun of Trump and they gonna win. Now.
Speaker 2: If you don't have nothing positive, if you don't have
Speaker 2: a vision that moving people forward and then all of
Speaker 2: the little cheap name call is not gonna work. Now,
Speaker 2: it's truth. Trump is a gangster, he was inophobe, he's
Speaker 2: a race. We can go on and on and on
Speaker 2: with that, but you can only say that so many
Speaker 2: times that where it touches people that want to do something,
Speaker 2: it is the truth. But you got to say more
Speaker 2: than the truth. You got to say more than the truth.
Speaker 2: And in fact, you know, as Melville says, and part
Speaker 2: of the greatest short story of the American literature named
Speaker 2: Billy budd Herman, Melville says, truth uncompromisingly spoken, always has
Speaker 2: jagged edges. So if you're gonna speak the truth about Trump,
Speaker 2: which it finds, go at his gangsterism and thuggish activity,
Speaker 2: but that truth is also gonna come back at you.
Speaker 2: And if all you got to offer is taco symbolically
Speaker 2: and thaco phonetically, then you ain't got too much to offer.
Speaker 2: You just don't you read, really don't You got genocide
Speaker 2: happening and gods the genocide Sedan. You got poverty and
Speaker 2: Black America, White America, Brown America, indigenous peoples. You got
Speaker 2: sixty two percent of Americans living paycheck to paycheck. You
Speaker 2: got increasing violence at home, domestic as well as social
Speaker 2: people more and more killing each other. Well, they're killing
Speaker 2: Jews in Colorado, which is sickly. I just I heard
Speaker 2: about these visious of tax on black folk for swastikas.
Speaker 2: I mean, all of this xenophytic violence, but tax on Palestinians,
Speaker 2: tax on air Rabs and Muslims, all this xenophobic violence
Speaker 2: going on, connected to the economy, connected to the imperial
Speaker 2: policies abroad, and all you can come up with is
Speaker 2: selling tax Cole his chicken. He ain't a bitted now,
Speaker 2: Lord have mercy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that docor and they weren't even selling them, and
Speaker 1: they would give him.
Speaker 2: Away away for free. Yeah yeah, athetic.
Speaker 1: I mean it's just it's it's it's pathetic. And then
Speaker 1: another point on that that that brother Ridan brought to
Speaker 1: our attention that he spotted was somebody making the reference that, hey, democrash,
Speaker 1: I might want to slow down on that rhetoric because,
Speaker 1: and I'm paraphrasing you know the story that Ryan told us.
Speaker 1: But if this man is a neo fascist, and which
Speaker 1: we we know it is, if he's somebody that's gonna
Speaker 1: abuse power, why would you poke the bear? You know,
Speaker 1: and I'm paying Why would you poke the bear and
Speaker 1: say chicken and out? What is it that you want?
Speaker 1: You want him to go harder on the foolishness that
Speaker 1: he's already putting out there. I mean, Democrats, this don't
Speaker 1: even make any sense. You should be trying to get
Speaker 1: him to pull back, not threatening his ego, and to
Speaker 1: say that he always chickens out to talk your thoughts
Speaker 1: on that, and then you brought up an important point
Speaker 1: about how the money class and the tariffs and all
Speaker 1: of that. So the Democratic Party in this duopoly, they
Speaker 1: got to make up their mind whose side they're on
Speaker 1: and stop falling for these things that seem cute in
Speaker 1: the moment, but really do a disservice to both what
Speaker 1: the Democrats claim they are and want to be, and
Speaker 1: also does a disservice to the faithful who believe in
Speaker 1: in this party to do something different than the Republican Party.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean, one of my observations was was that
Speaker 2: it was Wall Street that first came up with this
Speaker 2: claim about taco. Because Trump says he's going to push tears,
Speaker 2: then he changes his mind and pulls back. He says
Speaker 2: he's going to increase the percentage. Then he pulls it.
Speaker 2: Then he pulls back, and you see, for Wall Street,
Speaker 2: it doesn't give it damn about poor people, don't give
Speaker 2: it damn about working people. All they want to do
Speaker 2: is push Trump and play with Trump in such a
Speaker 2: way that the terrors go down so they profits go up.
Speaker 2: But see, Trump ain't been chicking it out in terms
Speaker 2: of his vicious attacks on immigrants. He hasn't been chicken
Speaker 2: it out in terms of his vicious attacks on poor people,
Speaker 2: cutting back or taking from the poor in order to
Speaker 2: give to the rich with this beautiful bill. There ain't
Speaker 2: nothing beautiful about that bill. It's im moral, it's unjust,
Speaker 2: and it crushes poor and working people. Now I see
Speaker 2: that he's not chicking it out. He's he's a gangster.
Speaker 2: He's up front. That's offensive. That's very offensive, you see.
Speaker 2: And it's offensive in terms of hims functioning to genocide. God,
Speaker 2: it's offensive in terms of him trying new and invite
Speaker 2: money from the Arab elitues. Most Araby leagues don't give
Speaker 2: a dang about their own poor and working people, don't
Speaker 2: give a dang about Palestinians undergoing genocide. They just living
Speaker 2: living law, just like trumping in Florida, just living large
Speaker 2: and so in that sense, I tried to just contextualize
Speaker 2: that tackle things and it ain't. It ain't poor people
Speaker 2: saying he's a chicken. No, he's coming at us with
Speaker 2: pitch forks. We got to keep fight.
Speaker 1: We do. I mean, he's doing what he said he
Speaker 1: was gonna do how he said he was gonna do it,
Speaker 1: disregarding what law is. You know, often the so called
Speaker 1: law and order party breaking all kinds of law, twisting
Speaker 1: the law to state to them. And I just the
Speaker 1: lack of depth of the Democratic Party even after I'm
Speaker 1: gonna use the term that President Obama used when they
Speaker 1: lost in twenty ten. You know when the blowback, the
Speaker 1: backlash happened in twenty ten where they lost over a
Speaker 1: thousand seats both collectively on the federal and state levels,
Speaker 1: when he said we've been slacked. And for Democrat fast
Speaker 1: forward and now don't understand they've been selected and they
Speaker 1: need to think very seriously and very carefully, both how
Speaker 1: inside that Congress or Democrats represent as electeds and both
Speaker 1: the apparatus of the DNC, how they come at people,
Speaker 1: how they cultivate a coalition that can push back against authoritarianism.
Speaker 1: But no, they're not doing that. All they care about
Speaker 1: is trying to be cute, and they look they looking crazy.
Speaker 2: They're looking crazy. But they still tied to that big money.
Speaker 1: They that's right.
Speaker 2: Got Oh they want their good billionaires as opposed to
Speaker 2: the bad billionaires to support Trump, but it's still both
Speaker 2: parties tied to the billionaire strata.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I would say a good billionaire or a
Speaker 1: good multi millionaire is somebody who understands that the system
Speaker 1: as it is going is untenable, that so few having
Speaker 1: so much is wrong. First of all, it's not sustainable,
Speaker 1: and it is wrong. The majority of our economy, seventy
Speaker 1: percent of our economy is a consumer based economy. So
Speaker 1: when you have barely middle class people working for all,
Speaker 1: everybody's in the working class. When you have working class
Speaker 1: people who do not have disposable income based on the
Speaker 1: way this economy is shaped, that hurts everybody. Dare I
Speaker 1: say even though ultra wealthy, I'm saying that because the
Speaker 1: system as it exists now is not in their interest. Now,
Speaker 1: I don't believe that billionaire should exist, but since we
Speaker 1: got a few of them, let's have a strong conversation
Speaker 1: about having a strong working class that is strong spiritually, mentally,
Speaker 1: and economically also helps them.
Speaker 2: That's exactly right, especially in the long run, because in
Speaker 2: the long run it's gonna collapse and everybody goes under.
Speaker 2: That's right, everybody goes under.
Speaker 1: And god, I just the Democrats just don't They just
Speaker 1: don't get it, and they like these stunts. You know,
Speaker 1: the things are coming out. You got a lot of
Speaker 1: these neoliberals that wouldn't say a mumbling word while President
Speaker 1: Biden was in office, but now all of a sudden
Speaker 1: they coming out. You know, his press secretary that now
Speaker 1: came out and said she going independent. Oh z I mean,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, god it, Oh yeah, just happened. You're writing
Speaker 1: a whole book about it. And I'm thinking to myself,
Speaker 1: her or none of these other people should get a
Speaker 1: pat on the back. They should be ignored, because I
Speaker 1: am old enough to remember when this press secretary went
Speaker 1: off on congress women Rashiita Talib and Bush and called
Speaker 1: them at horrent and repugnant. Ooh you're talking about yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Congresswoman Corey Bush. She said this about Congresswoman Corey Bush
Speaker 1: and also Congresswoman Rashida Tali because they were standing up
Speaker 1: for humanity, the humanity, the humanity Palestinians. This woman said
Speaker 1: this in the press room for on behalf of the
Speaker 1: White House. She had to have known what was going
Speaker 1: on with President Biden. So to me, people like her,
Speaker 1: people like Secretary Boutajag, people like Congressman Betto from Texas,
Speaker 1: they don't get no brownie points from me. No, I agree,
Speaker 1: they don't get no high five because it does not
Speaker 1: They are not reflecting courage because they didn't have the
Speaker 1: courage to say it when it county and they misled
Speaker 1: the American people. She also got interviewed one time and
Speaker 1: she was asked, I think she was on Morning Joe,
Speaker 1: but don't hold me to this about you know, how
Speaker 1: is the president houses stamina is up for the job.
Speaker 1: And she pretty much said something like I gotta try
Speaker 1: to keep up with them. Now she knows she was lying,
Speaker 1: but now she's about to be rewarded with a book deal.
Speaker 1: And also she has declared herself now.
Speaker 2: An independent independent Lord help mercy. Ain't got no regard
Speaker 2: for the truth. What so have.
Speaker 1: Not when it counted not at all? Ooh, y'all, you're
Speaker 1: listening to the Truth Town. Hold that thought, Doc, We're gonna
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Speaker 2: Oh indeed, no, it goes back almost forty years. Though.
Speaker 2: We've been through hell and high water, freezing over breakdancing
Speaker 2: on the ice and getting ready for the fire.
Speaker 1: Boots on the ground before boots on the ground was
Speaker 1: wrong at you lie?
Speaker 2: Lie? What in fan?
Speaker 1: That?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, kicking up some dust?
Speaker 1: Yes, the true Oh yeah, you both exhibited You exhibited
Speaker 1: courage when very few would you know. So I love
Speaker 1: you both for it that We're gonna go to our
Speaker 1: live chat on the tube. We got blessed peacemaker in
Speaker 1: the house, per usual. Hey, we counted all joy to
Speaker 1: be doing true together right now. With you all, with
Speaker 1: you all. God, bless you, Doctor Wes and Senator Turner.
Speaker 1: Thank you, Blessed Peacemaker. Cultures in the house. We cannot
Speaker 1: change the system, but we can change how the system
Speaker 1: affects us. I kind of we can change how the
Speaker 1: system affects us, but I also believe we can change
Speaker 1: the system.
Speaker 2: The system. That's why the system targets us because they
Speaker 2: know we're so powerful, we got strength, and they're trying
Speaker 2: to make sure that we don't have access to a
Speaker 2: power and don't have access to our confidence.
Speaker 1: MM that part, but where I know where culture was
Speaker 1: going with that. We appreciate you. Blessed Peacemaker is back.
Speaker 1: Senator Turner. I so appreciate you bringing Dr Congo into
Speaker 1: the conversation yesterday. I have lived and worked in Rwanda
Speaker 1: with Congogalese family friends. It's the greatest unknown story of
Speaker 1: our lifetime. Wow powerful, Yeah, oh my God. Bless the
Speaker 1: Peacemaker again. I've been in the region the last fifteen
Speaker 1: plus years and would love to help you understand the area. Uh,
Speaker 1: doctor West has my contacts all right, Blessed peace Maker,
Speaker 1: try to try to make that, make that happen, and
Speaker 1: then Blessed Peacemaker. He goes on, have you all seen
Speaker 1: the film Rise? And that's our ize It is uncanny
Speaker 1: and downright shocking. How deep the dance move. DNA ties go,
Speaker 1: Oh my god, don't we know it?
Speaker 2: No, that's very true. But no, he's a wonderful brother
Speaker 2: there in Africa with his blessed family, and he's been struggling.
Speaker 2: He was very much part of the campaign as well,
Speaker 2: and I salute him. I really salute my brother.
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too, Doc. It's been great getting to know
Speaker 1: him over these months that we have had Truth time
Speaker 1: on the air, and Blessed Peacemaker, it is uncanny. That's
Speaker 1: why I believe those carryovers. You know, we have carryovers
Speaker 1: from our fore mothers and our forefathers that kept getting
Speaker 1: passed down generation after generation after generation. And so when
Speaker 1: you see those similarities from us over here in America
Speaker 1: to the similarities of our sisters and brothers and family
Speaker 1: and friends on other ports within that Triangle trade, places
Speaker 1: like Brazil that has the largest number of black people
Speaker 1: of African descent outside of the continent itself. If you
Speaker 1: think about the Triangle trade and how it went, you
Speaker 1: can understand while Brazil would have that much and the
Speaker 1: places that got the because once the international slave trade
Speaker 1: closed in eighteen oh eight in the United States of America,
Speaker 1: we know doct they did the domestic thing, which they
Speaker 1: forced black people to breede areas where it had not closed.
Speaker 1: In those areas where you have the direct you have
Speaker 1: the Africans direct from the continent into these places. And
Speaker 1: as they their descendants become American or become Brazilian or
Speaker 1: become you know, Jamaican Hatian, all of that that direct descendancy,
Speaker 1: they were able to bring some of the things over
Speaker 1: with them that quite frankly, the white supremacy power structure,
Speaker 1: enslave and power structure tried to be out of them.
Speaker 1: But baby, you can't be spirit you can't. You can't
Speaker 1: be soul out of somebody. And that's what the city
Speaker 1: similarities show to me. It's spiritual.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, there's a level of spiritual and cultural resilience, remembrance, resistance,
Speaker 2: but also shot through with a dignity and sense of
Speaker 2: honor because you do it with style, and style is
Speaker 2: not something get played with. I know my dear brother
Speaker 2: Wren Brown, Ren Troy Brown, who runs the The Black
Speaker 2: Theater in Los Angeles. That's exactly what we're going to have,
Speaker 2: just gathering with Tavis acting Jen Tine is gonna be
Speaker 2: right there. Brother Wren's theater, Yeah, Olden theater. But he
Speaker 2: always talks about the centrality of style, and he's absolutely
Speaker 2: right about that. He got a lot of style himself. Actually.
Speaker 2: But but style is just not some external ornament, but
Speaker 2: it's a major imprint on the cosmos of individuals who
Speaker 2: are rooted in long histories and heritages of people's.
Speaker 1: It's essence. I just it's it's like, you can't you
Speaker 1: can't really touch it. You can't, you can't totally duplicate this.
Speaker 1: Why but but you can't. You cannot. So rise is
Speaker 1: what Blessed Peace make. Our dear brother is recommending that
Speaker 1: we see uncanny. Uncanny he said, we got more, Brother
Speaker 1: Morris Phillips in the house. Good afternoon, Doctor Westerson, and
Speaker 1: the turner Africa is rising. We surely hope. So we
Speaker 1: need that. Blessed Peacemaker again also soundtrack to a Coup
Speaker 1: de Todd. He is a fantastic film to explore the
Speaker 1: deep ties as well. Thank you for these film recommendations,
Speaker 1: Blessed Peacemaker. We got Stan Williams in the house giving
Speaker 1: our food in front of the RNC is a kin
Speaker 1: to Mayor's handing over accused black men to lynch mobs.
Speaker 1: Brother standy coming through die Wow, brother Stan you you yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: Lord have mercy. You You put that out there that
Speaker 1: is so true. And then brother Williams goes on to
Speaker 1: lay out there that both the DNC and the GOP
Speaker 1: I've always served the rich and powerful to the detriment
Speaker 1: of every day people keep on speaking the truth. Senator
Speaker 1: Turner and doctor Wes.
Speaker 2: That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is so beautiful, And each and every one
Speaker 1: of you are beautiful. Again, we lift up all of you,
Speaker 1: but special uplift to those who join us on the
Speaker 1: tube and engage in a chat conversation. Not only would
Speaker 1: doctor Wes and I, but you all have built a
Speaker 1: strong community. You're listening to Truth Time with doctor Cornell
Speaker 1: West and Nina Turner. Yes, we are excited to be doc.
Speaker 1: We got some more conversation percolating in the chat. Bless
Speaker 1: the Peacemaker. Also have you seen feminists resisting fascism? Cold
Speaker 1: Pink Summer School Session one on YouTube. Claudia de la
Speaker 1: Cruz is tracing the roots of US imperialism really good
Speaker 1: our school on American Barbara. I haven't seen that, Doc,
Speaker 1: but I know that's Sister de la Cruise is.
Speaker 2: Cold, cold, absolutely. I would encourage folks to check out
Speaker 2: with sister Claudia de la Cruise is doing. You know,
Speaker 2: she's one of the visionary leaders of the People's Form
Speaker 2: right here in New York City, which is the major
Speaker 2: center for any kind of serious left commitment, the education
Speaker 2: and formation of folk ready to think it and fight
Speaker 2: and and and serve and bear witness to the plight
Speaker 2: of poor people here and around the world. So I
Speaker 2: hope people get a chance to check us check our
Speaker 2: sister Claudia de la Cruises up.
Speaker 1: I do too. A blessed peacemaker said, it's on YouTube,
Speaker 1: so check it out. And we know that cold Pink
Speaker 1: is fierce. God, my dear Benjamin, Doc. And they do women,
Speaker 1: They put their bodies on the.
Speaker 2: Line consistent, year after year after year after year, telling
Speaker 2: you wow.
Speaker 1: And I just read only saw some footage of me,
Speaker 1: Dear Benjamin. She was at an event where uh former
Speaker 1: Secretary Condelliza Rice was that and she took to the stage,
Speaker 1: her little petite self I don't even know she four five,
Speaker 1: but she real petite. She she not five five feet,
Speaker 1: I can tell you that. And she took to that
Speaker 1: stage and basically admonaged those people for listening to Secretary
Speaker 1: Rights at least on this particular subject of talking about peace,
Speaker 1: you know, And she brought up the Iraq War and
Speaker 1: the things that Secretary Rice was familiar with, was aware of,
Speaker 1: and definitely, you know, the gall the pure underdulterated gold,
Speaker 1: the same way I feel about this current for this
Speaker 1: press secretary talking to stuff about being an independent and
Speaker 1: they picked her up this black man. I hated that
Speaker 1: it was a black man. I mean, I don't want
Speaker 1: to see any man do it, but especially hurt me.
Speaker 1: He just he just picked her up and got her
Speaker 1: off the stage. And he didn't push her anything. But
Speaker 1: I just think he shouldn't have put his hands on
Speaker 1: her like that. But she constantly faced abuse by men
Speaker 1: in law enforcement and women of law enforcement pushing up
Speaker 1: against her body like that in ways that they don't
Speaker 1: have to. Again, this man didn't push on her, but
Speaker 1: he just he lifted her up. But I hated to
Speaker 1: see it. And Doc she was talking all the way
Speaker 1: off the stage.
Speaker 2: No, she is a towering freedom fighter and I love her.
Speaker 2: You love her. We've been many many acts together. Uh,
Speaker 2: she's been to jail a zillion times and uh, and
Speaker 2: she has a whole network. I mean, she's not just
Speaker 2: there all by herself, her beloved her wrong, I must
Speaker 2: say it.
Speaker 1: I never had the pleasure of meeting him, Doc.
Speaker 4: The wonderful, wonderful, but you could imagine, you know, the
Speaker 4: kind of deep love that's going toward Medea, because Medea
Speaker 4: is in and out of jail all the time, and
Speaker 4: he's right there and he goes sometimes as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, but uh but she's just consistent and it's
Speaker 2: it's to have that kind of constancy in commitment and
Speaker 2: longevity of integrity what I was talking about in relation
Speaker 2: to you just recently. Uh, that's that's very important. That's
Speaker 2: very important. Times.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, Doc, And listen, somebody got had a
Speaker 1: bail money. So I ain't mad if Hubby can't go
Speaker 1: to jail every time. He got to be out there
Speaker 1: with the bail money. But y'all please go and look
Speaker 1: at watch Feminists Resistant Fascism on YouTube. Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for that. Blessed Peacemaker, A conversation. Blessed Peacemaker is
Speaker 1: wishing at Morris Phillips. My brother and I praying praying
Speaker 1: you are doing well today. And I, as I said,
Speaker 1: our audience has conversation around each other, so we praying
Speaker 1: brother Morris that you are doing well today. Well. We
Speaker 1: got Sally Jones Double O seven, who said wow, and
Speaker 1: she also mentioned that we definitely need Corey Bush back
Speaker 1: in Congress. The way the Congress will and lost, the
Speaker 1: way they put all that muscle on her, we know
Speaker 1: that it was not right and she was one of
Speaker 1: the very few fighters that we had in that Congress.
Speaker 1: Stan William sorry, Matthew Miller was the press secretary for
Speaker 1: the State Department under Biden, and I think DOCA recently,
Speaker 1: Matthew Miller has came out. I think we mentioned him
Speaker 1: a little bit yesterday saying that it is genocide.
Speaker 2: That's right, That's what I heard, war crimes, genocidals.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I guess we could say better late than ever.
Speaker 1: And I really mean that. I'm not trying to be
Speaker 1: flip when I say it. I mean definitely is more
Speaker 1: important to lift those people who had the courage to
Speaker 1: take the slings and arrows at the time, the truth
Speaker 1: tellers ahead of time. But you know, I'm still glad
Speaker 1: that some of these people are coming forward anyway.
Speaker 2: No, it's true people want to jump on the bandwagon
Speaker 2: at the last minute because the level of suffering now
Speaker 2: was such that when you have former prime ministers of
Speaker 2: Israel calling it genocide attack. Yeah, good god, Mine is
Speaker 2: not a lot of room left for folk not to
Speaker 2: understand the war crimes, the level of barbarity and criminality
Speaker 2: taking place in Goza.
Speaker 1: That is exactly right, Doc. And then we have Darryl Evans, hi,
Speaker 1: Doctor West, Senator Nina Turner, and mister Evans has a question,
Speaker 1: what has the black Hawk has done for us black
Speaker 1: folks recently?
Speaker 2: M Lord, we got a little Janet Jackson. What have
Speaker 2: you done for me lately? The very question, very good question.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to allow them to speak for themselves.
Speaker 1: Amen, Amen, I got nothing. I ain't got nothing for
Speaker 1: you now with brother Evans, so that should tell you all,
Speaker 1: Doctor West, and I ain't got nothing for you, So
Speaker 1: I should tell you all you need to know recently,
Speaker 1: the keyword being recently. How recent we talking the last
Speaker 1: twenty years. I don't know how reason, but anyway, I
Speaker 1: will definitely say that they are nothing like when the
Speaker 1: Black Caucers was formed and why it was formed. The originators,
Speaker 1: architects of the Congression of Black Caucus, they knew full
Speaker 1: well what the mission was. They understood the signment. Not
Speaker 1: so much now. But what have they done for us
Speaker 1: black folks recently? I can't even I can't even tell you.
Speaker 1: And then we have blessed peacemaker, Senator Turner. Madeir has
Speaker 1: a foot hook technique when she hooks her foot around
Speaker 1: chairs to prevent being dragged out. If you watch closely,
Speaker 1: she uses her her body, her her full body. And yes,
Speaker 1: she can speak all the way out. I ain't know
Speaker 1: about that hook that technique.
Speaker 2: No, Lord, Lord, Lord, Lord.
Speaker 1: Lord, thank you, thank you for sharing that with us.
Speaker 1: Now I'm gonna look. I'm gonna look for that technique,
Speaker 1: doc now when I see her being being pulled out too. Yeah. Uh,
Speaker 1: she's she's quite a woman. Doctor West and I both
Speaker 1: have had as Doctor West has been arrested with her.
Speaker 1: I've certainly had the pleasure of being in her presence
Speaker 1: at many meetings, and I certainly I hold her in
Speaker 1: a very high regard, very high regard. Her and her sisters.
Speaker 1: It's mainly sisters with her and the men who are there.
Speaker 1: They don't have to do what they're doing, suffering the
Speaker 1: ridicule having Congress members look down on them, walk away
Speaker 1: from them again, putting their physical bodies on the line
Speaker 1: every time they go either to the Congress or to
Speaker 1: the office buildings and all of that, or when they
Speaker 1: just go to random meetings like I saw Mada at
Speaker 1: the other day when she just stormed the stage. That
Speaker 1: takes a lot, and that type of technique is not
Speaker 1: for everybody. Everybody has a role to players often say,
Speaker 1: think of us as a football team or pick any
Speaker 1: sports you want. Everybody has a position. And I tell
Speaker 1: you that Cold Pink and so many others of those
Speaker 1: organizations who are very much anti war, but there is Jewish.
Speaker 1: She's been called a self hating Jew. She's been called
Speaker 1: all kinds of names and things from people who say
Speaker 1: that they believe in a living God or they believe
Speaker 1: in a higher power, but yet they would do and
Speaker 1: say some of the things that they've said to her
Speaker 1: and her colleagues. Again, she's not doing this by herself,
Speaker 1: doctors you pointed out, but my god, just the bravery.
Speaker 1: I believe she should win the Nobel Peace Prize. I
Speaker 1: really do.
Speaker 2: Well, there's no doubt in my mind that it proceeds
Speaker 2: out of a profound love and care for suffering people.
Speaker 2: That is idea Thissma Dea Benjamin, and that's that's not
Speaker 2: as widespread as it ought to be, but you see
Speaker 2: it in her life. Ain't no doubt about that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you do. And just even the mission of Cold Pink,
Speaker 1: they often talk about how you know, mothers all around
Speaker 1: the world, you would not want to send or see
Speaker 1: your children put in harms weight not just for this war,
Speaker 1: their anti war altogether other and that there's something piercing
Speaker 1: about trying to get people to put themselves in the
Speaker 1: position of the people who are suffering and imagine what
Speaker 1: you would want community to do and to say on
Speaker 1: your behalf if you were being abused like that. But
Speaker 1: this has been tremendous. Docu really really really have. We've
Speaker 1: talked about black Joy, where those fans at who's telling
Speaker 1: the ground. He talked about the Democratic Party wasting time,
Speaker 1: wasting money, wasting energy on you know, messing around with
Speaker 1: President Donald J. Trump when they should be creating a
Speaker 1: vision and pushing that vision and trying to win people
Speaker 1: back over. And it's people like you by which Doctor
Speaker 1: West and I speak this truth. Truth Time with Doctor
Speaker 1: Cornell West and Nina Turner. Live your life on purpose,
Speaker 1: know your purpose and above all, titles are good, but
Speaker 1: purpose is better. Until next time,