Speaker 1: Weird thing happened.
Speaker 2: Weird weird, weird.
Speaker 3: Guys. Once again, somehow the universe keeps bringing us the
Speaker 3: most extraordinary magical guests.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: We have a very amazing guest with us today. But
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Speaker 3: graced today by the presidence of Patty Dubrov.
Speaker 2: Did I say that right, brod broff?
Speaker 3: Okay, a little bit more.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's a Russian name and means a big oak tree.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's cool. My name, my last name is Ferminitis
Speaker 1: and it means of the earth.
Speaker 3: Interesting, look at us earth?
Speaker 2: Interesting?
Speaker 3: Hey, hey, me too. I found out that bledstone means
Speaker 3: a hill.
Speaker 1: Come on, a.
Speaker 3: Wise man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a wizard vibes here, shamman wizards.
Speaker 3: Can I add to this? I want to add to this.
Speaker 3: We were just at lunch, obviously and just enjoying this
Speaker 3: beautiful French cafe and just catching up, and we were
Speaker 3: talking about Hollywood, which is you know, obviously because you're
Speaker 3: in the industry, and we'll talk a little bit about
Speaker 3: that if you're if you're down with that. But we
Speaker 3: were talking about the significance of the word Hollywood and
Speaker 3: the magic behind the word, and and I was just like, well, Patty,
Speaker 3: you know and in ancient times the druids would construct
Speaker 3: wands out of holly trees.
Speaker 2: And You're like, what, I.
Speaker 3: Didn't know that, which I find fascinating that I thought
Speaker 3: for sure you would know that, you know. But you
Speaker 3: know what else is so is that the other tree
Speaker 3: of significance were oak trees.
Speaker 2: Oh that I knew. I knew that oak trees were
Speaker 2: very kind of deeply sacred.
Speaker 1: Yeah, talking about the druids, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, oak trees.
Speaker 1: It's interesting that Hollywood is what it is and is
Speaker 1: named that. It's like, I don't know, a weird synchronicity,
Speaker 1: kind of like it's obviously imbued with a lot of magic,
Speaker 1: magical things happen in that place. Did we did we
Speaker 1: even say what you do professionally? You're an incredible decorated
Speaker 1: makeup artist.
Speaker 2: Is that an illusionist?
Speaker 1: Okay, okay? What kind of illusions are you spinning us today?
Speaker 2: The Hollywood dream, the beautiful women's faces, turning them in
Speaker 2: from you know, mirror mortals, humans, lovely ladies into movie stars.
Speaker 1: Well, how long have you been doing it?
Speaker 2: I've been doing makeup since I was ten years old
Speaker 2: and I will be fifty seven soon, but obviously not
Speaker 2: professionally since I was ten. But I got my first
Speaker 2: job as a makeup artist getting paid was when I
Speaker 2: was eighteen at a department store, and then I started
Speaker 2: working in the kind of fashion, music, kind of world
Speaker 2: of New York City, you know, from again like twenty
Speaker 2: through and here I am in Hollywood.
Speaker 1: Where'd you grow up?
Speaker 2: I grew up in New Jersey.
Speaker 1: Oh nice.
Speaker 2: But I am German originally, so I had a lot
Speaker 2: in common with Jenny and her beautiful mom, who looks
Speaker 2: like she could be my relative.
Speaker 1: I'm saying shockingly. So I didn't get to make it
Speaker 1: to lunch with you guys. But when I walked in
Speaker 1: and saw the two of you next to each other,
Speaker 1: I was like, is this Patty or is this one
Speaker 1: of Pearl's relatives? Is it? She looks like she could be.
Speaker 2: The second I put my eyes on Crystal.
Speaker 3: Pearls her nickname, Pearls her nickname, yeah, something.
Speaker 2: With crystals and pearls. Yeah, you've got crystals behind you
Speaker 2: on that drawing. Wow, she is a magical lady. But
Speaker 2: as soon as I put my eyes on her, I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, you look like my family.
Speaker 2: You're my sister from another myster like wow. And the
Speaker 2: fact that we're both German, you know, there was something
Speaker 2: really really I felt really connected to her. Immediately.
Speaker 3: I felt that too, Like four, I thought it was
Speaker 3: a little weird.
Speaker 1: The vibe was like, you guys were reuniting.
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, that's what it felt like.
Speaker 1: Like. I was like they didn't know each other.
Speaker 2: And you know what's so wild is she looks a
Speaker 2: lot like what my grandmother looked like, you know. And
Speaker 2: I've been right now doing this kind of ancestral work on,
Speaker 2: like clearing ancestral traumas and baggage and working with my
Speaker 2: grandmother the spirit of my grandmother to help me kind
Speaker 2: of like unpack stuff that I feel like I've been
Speaker 2: carrying around. So the fact that I walk in and
Speaker 2: there's my grandmother's face, it's I'm shake like, I feel weird.
Speaker 2: I feel weird, you guys.
Speaker 3: I resonate with that because something my dad always taught
Speaker 3: me growing up was that the spirit of our loved
Speaker 3: ones are with us, you know. And that's something that
Speaker 3: I always wanted to be true, and now I know
Speaker 3: it to be true. But I've always kind of spoken
Speaker 3: to my grandfathers, who have now both passed, and oftentimes
Speaker 3: they come to me in dreams. Many times they're together
Speaker 3: in the dream, or it's like one of them, or
Speaker 3: I'll have a dream about the other. When I was
Speaker 3: at Monroe, I had an experience my last experience there
Speaker 3: where they were like kind of both holding me by
Speaker 3: the hand and taking me somewhere. And I've always felt
Speaker 3: that connection like with my loss or you know, deceased grandfathers.
Speaker 3: So it's very fascinating stuff.
Speaker 2: But yeah, there's a lot of power in our lineage
Speaker 2: and you know, a lot of lessons that we can learn.
Speaker 2: And then also if we're not kind of clearing it
Speaker 2: and we can carry burdens from our ancestor.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and we carry a lot of their like what
Speaker 1: would you call it, like spiritual momentum. Yeah, the things
Speaker 1: that they did in their lives, it's passed on to
Speaker 1: us and you can, like I feel like sometimes I
Speaker 1: can really feel it. It's it comes in these these
Speaker 1: little pockets of time for me, and it's very short lived.
Speaker 1: It's something that I would like to connect more to
Speaker 1: at some point in my life. I've thought that for
Speaker 1: some time, like I really want to find a way
Speaker 1: to spiritually connect with my ancestors because it just feels
Speaker 1: so important and it feels like I would learn more
Speaker 1: about myself and what I am here to do. Well.
Speaker 2: Mediumship work, you know, you can work with a medium
Speaker 2: who can you know, help bring in whatever ancestors want
Speaker 2: to want to communicate with you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to do.
Speaker 3: Also, dreams.
Speaker 1: I don't have a lot of dreams.
Speaker 3: Oh that's true.
Speaker 1: I have a fantasia and so I don't have very
Speaker 1: many dreams at all.
Speaker 3: It's or visual phenomenon.
Speaker 1: I don't. I can't. I can't really see things in
Speaker 1: my mind. But maybe maybe two percent of the time
Speaker 1: I can see a little bit, and then maybe once
Speaker 1: or twice a month I'll have a dream, and so
Speaker 1: it's it's difficult. But I really have been thinking a
Speaker 1: lot lately about seeing a medium.
Speaker 2: I think I might know some people I can connect
Speaker 2: with that that.
Speaker 1: Would be really cool. It just seems like an important
Speaker 1: thing to do. I just want to know, like, you know,
Speaker 1: what they felt and what they went through, and what
Speaker 1: sort of things that they would have wanted to improve
Speaker 1: about themselves or the things that they would want for
Speaker 1: their future, you know, descendants and I don't know.
Speaker 2: It just seems really messages that you know, they might
Speaker 2: want to share wisdom.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, guidance.
Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys, but a lot of
Speaker 3: times throughout my life and it's a random phenomenon, right,
Speaker 3: But it happens a lot where I'll just be going
Speaker 3: about my day and then I'll get struck with this
Speaker 3: lucid moment of feeling like, for some reason, right now
Speaker 3: my grandfather's with me, Oh yeah, or my cousin who passed.
Speaker 3: You ever experienced that?
Speaker 2: Not so much. I mean maybe because I've blocked it out.
Speaker 2: I think I'm becoming more wanting to be more open
Speaker 2: to it. But I was really like trying to keep
Speaker 2: all that, especially family stuff, like, oh, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of trauma and my lineage on my father's side and
Speaker 2: this is fine to share this. On my father's side,
Speaker 2: there a Holocaust survivors. Wow, So you know there's there's
Speaker 2: like ancestral baggage that I'm like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: I want to open these doors. But now I'm again
Speaker 2: feeling more ready to connect.
Speaker 3: With Yeah, man, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: I was in I was staying in Southport the past
Speaker 2: couple of days, and I there's a beautiful little cemetery there.
Speaker 2: Do you know Southek Do you go down to Southport?
Speaker 2: There is a beautiful little cemetery And I for three
Speaker 2: mornings would sit in there get my coffee and sit
Speaker 2: in the cemetery. Wow, and it was it just felt
Speaker 2: so good. People are so afraid of cemetery.
Speaker 3: I love cemeteries.
Speaker 2: Wow, it's it felt like it just felt so good
Speaker 2: in there, and it was very obviously ancientful and yeah,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of peace and there's a lot of
Speaker 2: like remembrance, Like wow, these people lived full lives and
Speaker 2: and here they are still being acknowledged and don't just
Speaker 2: trample on their gravesites.
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I fully resonate with that. I love cemeteries.
Speaker 3: My family on my mother's side has a family cemetery
Speaker 3: in Fairmunta, North Carolina, and I grew up playing in
Speaker 3: that cemetery. Is where Does that sounds right? But it's not.
Speaker 3: And it's like all my ancestors are in this cemetery,
Speaker 3: even people I know, like like when my grandmother passes,
Speaker 3: she'll be there, probably my mom and dad. And it's
Speaker 3: like we have family reunions there every year. You've even
Speaker 3: been to some of them. You've been in this cemetery,
Speaker 3: you know, and like we would play in there and
Speaker 3: it's like totally normal and it's.
Speaker 1: Like throwing football or like yeah or something else.
Speaker 3: It's just like I don't know, it's just it's an
Speaker 3: advice that I've always connected with. I've always been kind
Speaker 3: of fascinated with the idea of like loved ones on
Speaker 3: the other side, you know what's beyond the veil. You know,
Speaker 3: it's so thin, It's really so thin.
Speaker 1: And I I've never felt weird about cemeteries. Never. Never,
Speaker 1: even like when like when it's pitch black outside in
Speaker 1: the middle of the night, I don't feel weird about it.
Speaker 1: It feels like a I feel a very strong potent
Speaker 1: energy even looking at a cemetery. I feel like a
Speaker 1: strong spiritual energy. But it doesn't feel like scary or
Speaker 1: it's sacred negative or but.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, burial sites should be regarded as sacred
Speaker 2: and not scary, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 3: I have some friends, and I mean not that I'm
Speaker 3: like that close with or anything. I'm just heard throughout
Speaker 3: my life some people are so superstitious about I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh God, we're driving by a cemetary. Hold your breath,
Speaker 3: it's why Yeah, why.
Speaker 2: So you die? You get there sooner because you're not breathing,
Speaker 2: you're not alive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's gonna hant you.
Speaker 1: Like, Yeah, what am I supposed to do. Yeah, holding
Speaker 1: your breath makes you completely untouchable by any spirits.
Speaker 3: I think if you're like not desecrating the place and
Speaker 3: like graffeeding it up, that's like maybe they're happy you're visiting.
Speaker 1: Have you guys seen the videos of the there's people
Speaker 1: who are they're paid to clean like tombstones, gravestones, and
Speaker 1: they'll go and while they're scrubbing them and cleaning them,
Speaker 1: they'll have a spirit box next to them.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen that.
Speaker 1: You haven't.
Speaker 3: I've seen just when they're cleaning them. I have seen
Speaker 3: the spirit But what is the spirit box.
Speaker 1: It's like a it's like a special it's like a
Speaker 1: tuned radio where it flips through all of the spirit box.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, of course the voices will come through
Speaker 2: and so to see, Oh my god, what happens.
Speaker 1: It's amazing. He'll he'll be cleaning. Uh, there's this one
Speaker 1: guy I follow like on TikTok and Instagram and stuff,
Speaker 1: and he'll be cleaning the headstones and stuff and they'll
Speaker 1: be communicating and they almost always say thank you really,
Speaker 1: and he like asks them about themselves. He's like, like,
Speaker 1: who are you, what's your your story? And he just
Speaker 1: talks to them while he's cleaning their headstones and stuff,
Speaker 1: and he has a lot of the times these very deep,
Speaker 1: like personal conversations with these spirits.
Speaker 3: That's amazing.
Speaker 1: It is just touching. I mean I get emotional every
Speaker 1: time I watch it.
Speaker 2: Does he do that for a job or is that
Speaker 2: just something he offers to the to the land, you know.
Speaker 1: I don't know exactly, but but it's tagged as like
Speaker 1: professional headstone cleaner or or or something to that effect.
Speaker 1: So like it sounds like it's his job, and I
Speaker 1: guess somebody that's somebody's job. I guess, But but yeah,
Speaker 1: he he communicates, uh, and it's really touching. It's like
Speaker 1: it's really emotional a lot of the time. Yeah, sometimes
Speaker 1: it's like you know, children and he's having he's talking
Speaker 1: to them, and like they respond in the way that
Speaker 1: a child would for out of this spirit box and
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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, I actually just want I thought
Speaker 2: of something I wanted to share. I was recently in
Speaker 2: India and I was staying in a city called Varanasi
Speaker 2: and the Sacred I'm sorry. The original name of Varanasi
Speaker 2: is Banaras or Kashi, and it is the place that's
Speaker 2: on the Ganges River where it's the most auspicious for
Speaker 2: Hindus to be cremated. So along the rivers, along the
Speaker 2: river side, there's what's called gods, different kind of stations
Speaker 2: along the river. And there's the burning God where it's
Speaker 2: stacked with wood and there's a fire that's been burning
Speaker 2: for thousands and thousands of years that is, you know,
Speaker 2: never never gone out, keep it going. And that's and
Speaker 2: that's where bodies are being carried through the streets, wrapped
Speaker 2: in white, carried, you know, and then the body is
Speaker 2: cremated there and it it feels, I mean, it's so sacred.
Speaker 2: We actually went and meditated in a temple that was
Speaker 2: adjacent to the it's a Shiva temple and it's where
Speaker 2: Shiva went and covered himself in the ash of the
Speaker 2: cremation grounds. And we sat in that temple and that's
Speaker 2: you know right there. The fire that's burning within that
Speaker 2: temple is one that's again thousands of years. It's not
Speaker 2: where the bodies are burned, because that's just that's outside,
Speaker 2: just beside it. But wow, talk about deep and poignant
Speaker 2: that you know, we we are just going to turn
Speaker 2: to ash one day or back into soil, you know,
Speaker 2: and and celebrate this life force that we have right now.
Speaker 2: And that's all it is is the breath. So don't
Speaker 2: hold your breath.
Speaker 3: That's that's brilliant though. And and I'm glad you're naturally
Speaker 3: brought this up because at lunch we were talking about
Speaker 3: this and I kind of explained to you there it's like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm afraid to ask you certain questions because we're about
Speaker 3: to record. But I'm glad you called back to this
Speaker 3: as well. So you're telling me this story, right, I
Speaker 3: thought at lunch, but I didn't ask it because I
Speaker 3: was saving it for the podcast. So you're telling me
Speaker 3: that Shiva went there, and remind me what Shiva did.
Speaker 3: He covered himself in ash or he burned.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I don't want to miss I don't want
Speaker 2: to misquote the story, so I'm I'm.
Speaker 3: The cliff notes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the cliff notes is that he, yes, he covered
Speaker 2: himself in the sacred ash of the you know, from
Speaker 2: the bodies that were burned and was you know, went
Speaker 2: into deep meditation for whatever period of time. So there's
Speaker 2: many of the you know, the the sawdows that you
Speaker 2: see images of these you know, holy men with dreadlocks
Speaker 2: and they're covered, they're naked and covered in ash. Yeah
Speaker 2: they are. You know, that is in line with what
Speaker 2: Shiva's practice was. And it's a way to kind of
Speaker 2: your renouncing everything of the world. You don't need anything,
Speaker 2: you don't need clothes, you don't need stuff. It's asthetic
Speaker 2: and exactly and you and the ash is to remind
Speaker 2: us that we will turn to ash. So it's you know,
Speaker 2: it's like a kind of a link between this world
Speaker 2: and that. And I'm probably butchering it a little bit,
Speaker 2: but you know, you know, Shiva. I very much connect
Speaker 2: with Shiva. But I'm also I'm not like a Hindu.
Speaker 2: I can't say I'm a Hindu, but I definitely have
Speaker 2: a connection with all things Shiva, the dance of life,
Speaker 2: you know, the kind of deep rooted, kind of meditative state.
Speaker 3: So then the thing I have two things to say
Speaker 3: about that. The first thing is if you're not following
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Speaker 2: Have you heard of him?
Speaker 3: Is Dakota? And then like wont he is like of
Speaker 3: all the people in the world, he is one of
Speaker 3: my Like he's a top five I want him on
Speaker 3: the show. I want to meet this guy. He this
Speaker 3: is all he does. He used to be a YouTuber,
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Speaker 3: or another, his content shifted to where he's like an
Speaker 3: ascetic in India traveling with these people and like he
Speaker 3: lives with them, and you know, he's like going into
Speaker 3: uh hanging out with the cannibal tribes and like and
Speaker 3: like being yes.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I got to I got to hang with
Speaker 2: some Agoris. I mean, yeah, I was at the Kumbamela
Speaker 2: and the Agoris are there and you know, and and
Speaker 2: I got to sit with some It's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So enough about him. I just wanted to.
Speaker 2: Put yeah, yeah, I get to remember that.
Speaker 3: And then the second thing I can remind you later. Yeah,
Speaker 3: very cool content. But the second thing is, so when
Speaker 3: you're telling me Shiva went and meditated at this temple,
Speaker 3: I have a two sided question. Is this literal? Is
Speaker 3: this metaphorical, mythological, whatever? Like, is the idea that this
Speaker 3: really happened, that there was a man many thousands of
Speaker 3: years ago who did this and thus this legend was born,
Speaker 3: or is it more so like there's a parable or
Speaker 3: a metaphor within this story, you know, like like how
Speaker 3: is this taught?
Speaker 2: You know? Who you need to get on the show.
Speaker 2: Who would be able to answer all these questions enlighten
Speaker 2: me is Robert's Forboda, Doctor Roberts Forboda. He's a scholar
Speaker 2: of aria Veda and all things this a gory and
Speaker 2: and he would be the one to answer that. I'm
Speaker 2: not even going to try to get near that, but
Speaker 2: I do know him.
Speaker 3: Oh cool, yeah, lick us up. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, you know, energetically it's very much real. So
Speaker 2: whether it was just like Jesus right, one guy or
Speaker 2: or exactly was it one person or was it a
Speaker 2: collective Shakespeare, a collective of humans who were following the
Speaker 2: same belief and you know, and that energy carried forth yea, who.
Speaker 3: Does Yeah, that's an amazing answer. It doesn't matter if
Speaker 3: the person literally did it. The energy in the message
Speaker 3: is real. And that's why I wanted to ask. I
Speaker 3: wanted to clarify are the people who practice this actually teaching,
Speaker 3: because you know, people are like, hey, this really happened
Speaker 3: this sacred site or is it like you get with
Speaker 3: these masters or these yogis or whatever, and they're like,
Speaker 3: it didn't actually happen, but you know, it's the message,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, It's kind of where I wanted.
Speaker 2: The Yeah, I don't yeah, I mean, it's just one
Speaker 2: of those. It was one of those places where as
Speaker 2: soon as you enter, you know like this is powerful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: whatever is happening here, whatever has happened here for thousands
Speaker 2: of years, And I feel this collective kind of I
Speaker 2: feel the pull. Yeah, this is real.
Speaker 1: I think so often these stories and stuff they are
Speaker 1: maybe they are metaphorical, you know, maybe they didn't literally happen.
Speaker 1: But I feel like a lot of the energy is
Speaker 1: in the mystery. Yes, it's like yes, when it's revealed,
Speaker 1: maybe the energy is not so potent. Maybe that's why
Speaker 1: all these mystery traditions, they are so clandestine and they
Speaker 1: do things kind of in the dark a little bit,
Speaker 1: and they keep you know, they keep the very very
Speaker 1: the exclusive information. They keep that, you know, hidden a
Speaker 1: little bit, because it's like if we give it all away,
Speaker 1: there's no mystery whatsoever, and then maybe the belief isn't there.
Speaker 1: What do you have to learn exactly?
Speaker 2: And I also think that the masses wouldn't necessarily be
Speaker 2: able to handle that energy. You know, it's like it's
Speaker 2: it's what I experienced when I again, I was telling
Speaker 2: Ryan earlier about being at another very sacred Shiva tempo.
Speaker 2: This one was called Kadarnath on the top of the
Speaker 2: mount on the top of the Hamalias, and that energy
Speaker 2: was so powerful, but you could see that people were
Speaker 2: kind of not going crazy. Energy is so amped up,
Speaker 2: it's so so powerful that people get we're getting kind
Speaker 2: of aggressive to get in, to get in, to get
Speaker 2: near the moor, to get into the inner sanct that
Speaker 2: there's this like hyper energy. And and I've seen it in
Speaker 2: other powerful temples in India where people are like, you know,
Speaker 2: they've been waiting in line and they've made this voyage
Speaker 2: to get there, and then by the time they're getting
Speaker 2: close to the inner sanctum, they're almost like vibrating with
Speaker 2: this frenetic and and I see it outside. I see
Speaker 2: the people people like that are having those kind of
Speaker 2: reactions and for me instead, I go so still like
Speaker 2: so because it's also to not get swept up in
Speaker 2: that wild energy. So again, people are going to react
Speaker 2: to these like energies in different ways, and for a
Speaker 2: lot of people it might take them off their rocker. Literally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it. Yeah, that that like desperation, that
Speaker 1: like you need to have the exact thing that you're
Speaker 1: there for.
Speaker 3: It's like waiting in line at Disney World, like I
Speaker 3: need to get into the temple. Like.
Speaker 1: It also kind of in a way reminds me of
Speaker 1: the UFO phenomenon.
Speaker 3: Yeah I was I wasn't gonna say it, but it's
Speaker 3: like people being like all you know, thousands of people
Speaker 3: being like I'm passing through, I want a SkyWatch with you,
Speaker 3: and it's like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like the but like I mean more so like
Speaker 1: the desperation of like I need it, I need to
Speaker 1: see it. Yeah, I have to, Like every fiber of
Speaker 1: my being is dedicated to I just I need to
Speaker 1: experience this. I need to be here and see this
Speaker 1: and do this. Like there's a lot of that in
Speaker 1: the the UFO community.
Speaker 2: Well that's interesting because I had to really you know,
Speaker 2: coming here, I'm obviously have a level of excitement, anticipation
Speaker 2: and desire, you know, to see what you've seen and
Speaker 2: what I believe I've seen, but I'm not so sure.
Speaker 2: And and then I'm also really like kind of I
Speaker 2: don't want my expectations to be too high, Like I've
Speaker 2: got to like really like I'm like, you know, it
Speaker 2: is what it is, It's going to be what it's
Speaker 2: going to be, And I don't want to want it
Speaker 2: so bad that I'm going to be like kind of
Speaker 2: you know, my desire pushing the thing away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but most people aren't even conscious of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're on the right path. Well, I've been praying
Speaker 2: a lot for you know, just I shall see what
Speaker 2: I shall see and thank you in advance.
Speaker 3: That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Did you guys already talk about this.
Speaker 3: Now that you've seen maybe on the phone when I
Speaker 3: let's assume we have not because they have not.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, you know, I don't know if I even
Speaker 2: told you Ryan about this when we had the fires
Speaker 2: in La you know.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, and I don't think we've talked. You know,
Speaker 3: I didn't tell you this before Christmas.
Speaker 2: Well, now let me backtrack. So the way that I
Speaker 2: want to tell you, the way I came to the
Speaker 2: to learn about the blood so cool, which is you know,
Speaker 2: really kind of foundational for me, like really wanting to
Speaker 2: have a deeper experience and understanding of this world. A
Speaker 2: few months back, a friend of mine was staying at
Speaker 2: my house in LA and she had she's very spiritual,
Speaker 2: she's a past life regressionist and you know, one of
Speaker 2: my sisters, spiritual sisters, and she went had a feeling
Speaker 2: to go out on the onto the deck two in
Speaker 2: the afternoon, beautiful sunny La day. I live in a
Speaker 2: canyon and had a feeling to go out on the deck.
Speaker 2: Some something was pulling her to go out there. And
Speaker 2: in the sky two in the afternoon she saw nine
Speaker 2: orbs in La in La. This is the canyon by
Speaker 2: the Hollywood sign recently in October October, and she ran
Speaker 2: inside to grab her phone, you know, to get the video.
Speaker 2: Everyone wants the video. And when she got back out,
Speaker 2: I think there were maybe four left, not the nine.
Speaker 2: She got them on video. And so when I got
Speaker 2: back into town, she showed me and told me, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, wow, here they're here. And that led me
Speaker 2: to wanting to understand, well, what are these orbs? And
Speaker 2: I want orbs? I want to and and that led
Speaker 2: me to you know, you do you type a Google
Speaker 2: search of orbs and Chris Bledsoe's name comes up right
Speaker 2: at the top. So that led me to, you know,
Speaker 2: listening to a lot of podcasts and you know, his story,
Speaker 2: and then reading the book and then getting to Ryan
Speaker 2: and you guys through Hannah and and Meghan because Hannah
Speaker 2: was interviewing Meghan. So that was Actually that was a
Speaker 2: side note I was interested in. I wanted to know
Speaker 2: more about dowsing, and you know, Hannah, sorry, Megan, solar
Speaker 2: glow kept coming up on my feed, I you know,
Speaker 2: and one of the it was like it was just
Speaker 2: being fed to me. I didn't ask for it. And
Speaker 2: then I'm like, what did she? And then of course
Speaker 2: I follow and then and then I'm like, I want
Speaker 2: to know more about this dousing thing. And so I
Speaker 2: did a Google search of her for podcasts that she
Speaker 2: was on and the one I found was Hannah's podcast
Speaker 2: and they were talking about the blood and and and
Speaker 2: I'm like, wait a minute, that name. And then I
Speaker 2: realized it was the same thing that i'd been looking
Speaker 2: into on the other track that I was also looking into,
Speaker 2: which is the ORB track. And then it all came together.
Speaker 2: And then I reached out to Ryan because I had
Speaker 2: an interesting story with space that I was renting in
Speaker 2: Hollywood that was a Theosophy It was originally built as
Speaker 2: a Theosophy utopian community. Yeah that's a whole I don't
Speaker 2: know if we're going to get into that. Yeah what
Speaker 2: And and the space that I was renting looked like
Speaker 2: a spaceship. It was a dome. It's a domed It
Speaker 2: was the dome meditation room for the Theosophus Utopian community
Speaker 2: called Kratona that was built in nineteen twelve, and it
Speaker 2: was the room that they would do their They called
Speaker 2: it the charge meditation room. But it's a sound healing chamber.
Speaker 2: And you know how certain domes when they're built, you
Speaker 2: know with a real intention, there's a kind of a
Speaker 2: sound encapsulation that happens through the center of a dome.
Speaker 2: Have you ever experienced that? The integratron out in the
Speaker 2: desert is a place where you can really experience it,
Speaker 2: But it's it's when it's aligned perfectly geometrically, are architecturally aligned,
Speaker 2: sound encapsulates in the center of.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, the resonant frequency like goes straight down the
Speaker 1: middle of.
Speaker 3: The cathedrals, I guess, yeah, if.
Speaker 1: The cathedral is built in the exact dome, then yeah,
Speaker 1: you stand right in the middle, and the resonant frequency
Speaker 1: of the room, you can like hear it without anything happening,
Speaker 1: even in the room. It could be silent in the
Speaker 1: room and you stand there and if you pay attention,
Speaker 1: you can hear the resonant frequency.
Speaker 2: And then also when you're like vocalizing when you walk through.
Speaker 2: That's the center of that dome. The sound changes in
Speaker 2: the center point. It like the pitch changes, and it's
Speaker 2: all it's for sound work. It's for sound healing work.
Speaker 2: And that's so. So that room was that apartment was
Speaker 2: somewhere I was renting, and I it was the altar room.
Speaker 2: So it was a it's a perfectly aligned like alter
Speaker 2: space where the altars on the east due east, and
Speaker 2: on the west is water. You know, this is when
Speaker 2: you're doing elemental magic. You know, you own some practices.
Speaker 2: Airs the east, the south is fire water in the
Speaker 2: west and in the north is earth. So the Mountain
Speaker 2: of Hollywood, that where the Hollywood sign is, that mountain
Speaker 2: is right on the north side.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: So they built this very intentionally. There's a water pond
Speaker 2: on the west part, just the opposite the altar on
Speaker 2: the east wall. It's hard to describe. It's a lot.
Speaker 3: No, that's that's extremely fascinating, And I didn't know that.
Speaker 3: So I'm going to say this real quick. I was
Speaker 3: looking one seventy one. Episode one seventy one was Hannah.
Speaker 3: Episode one a one was Megan. These are the two
Speaker 3: individuals they've been on our show, Lovely Lovely People, and
Speaker 3: Patty came to us through them. It's crazy synchronicity in
Speaker 3: and of itself. But anyway, so back to the to
Speaker 3: the Dome. Are you willing to go into like how
Speaker 3: the Theosophists found We don't have to go all into
Speaker 3: the history and all that if it's too much, but
Speaker 3: how they found it with the dowsing rods.
Speaker 2: And yeah, the story what I'm what I've come to
Speaker 2: learn is that the Theosophists were looking to create a
Speaker 2: utopian community based on Pythagorean kind of principles in America.
Speaker 2: They had their ashram in Adjar in India. Now this
Speaker 2: is in the nineteen this is like nineteen oh six,
Speaker 2: when they decided they wanted to set out and find
Speaker 2: a plot of land in America to build this community
Speaker 2: which would be about communal living. This kind of intersection
Speaker 2: between art and spirituality and vegetarianism was a part of it.
Speaker 2: So they spent six years using dousing rods to find
Speaker 2: the right spot to build this in the Western States,
Speaker 2: so Arizona, New Mexico, up and down California. Blovotsky, apparently
Speaker 2: Madam Blovotsky, had had a prophecy that the western coast
Speaker 2: of America, maybe California specifically, would be where kind of
Speaker 2: the new spirituality would would take would flourish in America.
Speaker 2: Did she She did, so that's why they were focusing
Speaker 2: on the Western States. And when they got to this
Speaker 2: piece of land in Los Angeles, Los Angele was a
Speaker 2: Los Angeles the it was all a farmland, orange groves
Speaker 2: and there was the mountain there which again the Hollywood
Speaker 2: sign is there. Now it was all orange groves. The
Speaker 2: dowsing rods went off, so they found water, they found energy,
Speaker 2: they found they.
Speaker 3: Were searching for a place of spiritual significant with the dowsing.
Speaker 2: Rods, yeah, to give them the kind of sign that
Speaker 2: this is the place. And it turns out that that
Speaker 2: piece of land was sacred, a sacred site to the
Speaker 2: Tonga tribe, which is the indigenous people of that area California.
Speaker 2: And when you know the way that it's like at
Speaker 2: the base of the mountain, you know, the mountains just
Speaker 2: kind of like protecting it over and it's this flat
Speaker 2: area death. They built their community and that was called Kratona,
Speaker 2: which is based on again a Pythagoa and concept croton
Speaker 2: I think is the was the pythagora and kind of community. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think yeah, because I think it's about cr Yeah whatever.
Speaker 1: I feel like a bad Greek. I don't know enough
Speaker 1: about pythagorasts. I got to do my research.
Speaker 2: I don't either. But he seemed like a cool dude.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah he was a true sage.
Speaker 1: Yes, a thousand percent he was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he traveled to India and all these places, Persia,
Speaker 3: Egypt and kind of kind of like what Jesus did,
Speaker 3: the real gyes, not the corporate version, and mastered all
Speaker 3: these different disciplines and brought them back and then he
Speaker 3: you know, created his society, and you know, he's like
Speaker 3: basically the father of sacred geometry before Plato.
Speaker 1: Those things. I'd pretty sure I do know, But as
Speaker 1: a as a Greek man who is also fascinated in metaphysics,
Speaker 1: I'm like, I should probably know more about pythagorasts. I
Speaker 1: should probably like, I feel like I should be the expert,
Speaker 1: but I'm absolutely not.
Speaker 3: Dude, you would love We're going to segue into something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I just want to say sacred geometry. You know,
Speaker 2: the dome space was is exactly built with sacred geometry,
Speaker 2: and like the room at the meditation room folds into
Speaker 2: a box, like if you understand kind of geometry, the
Speaker 2: way that the dome and the wings of it, the
Speaker 2: all of the dimensions. My friends that are understand this stuff,
Speaker 2: they're like, this is a box, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't understand. I don't see it, but it is that
Speaker 2: it's you know, if it's the geometry.
Speaker 1: If it's like a six sided box, I don't know
Speaker 1: what the building looks like, but that is also a
Speaker 1: cross when you unfold. Oh yeah, a six sided box.
Speaker 2: It's it's the wings, the wings and the yeah, I don't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, bottom part is the one that folds, and it's
Speaker 1: longer than the other parts. So yeah, that's.
Speaker 3: Kind of I googled Krotona. The first thing that pops
Speaker 3: up is Pathetoro's oh yeah, just looking for a picture
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Krotona k r O t o n a Kurowtona of
Speaker 2: old Hollywood or yeah, and.
Speaker 1: So it's obviously not that anymore.
Speaker 2: No, it was. It was there. It was the Theos
Speaker 2: kind of you know, stomping ground for a dozen ten
Speaker 2: or a dozen years, and then they moved to OHI.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's right, under the Hollywood sign. Yeah, beautiful, this
Speaker 3: is good. I told the dome.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Oh can you see the dome?
Speaker 1: It's a pixel picture, yeah, but I see it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they were there until like nineteen yeah, nineteen twenty four,
Speaker 2: twenty six, I remember, And then they went up to Ohai,
Speaker 2: California for various reasons. I guess they Hollywood was starting
Speaker 2: to become Hollywood Silent Film r was coming in. Maybe
Speaker 2: they wanted you know, greener pastures. Krishna Morti at that
Speaker 2: time it was the you know, kind of spiritual head
Speaker 2: of the of the group. He liked. He preferred o
Speaker 2: Hi area, and Oahi is also very powerful kind of
Speaker 2: energy place. Really, So then they went up there, and
Speaker 2: then the building was sold to this man called Rupert
Speaker 2: Julian who was a film director and actor and he
Speaker 2: directed Phantom of the Opera Oh no way yeah, And
Speaker 2: so then he made it into this like new Hollywood,
Speaker 2: it's silent film era twenties or mid twenties, and it
Speaker 2: was like a flophouse for all the like cool Hollywood
Speaker 2: weirdos and so literally magic was happening there through film,
Speaker 2: you know, early cinema, you know, dance and the art.
Speaker 3: But also the literal magic.
Speaker 2: And literal magic. I mean there's no you know, you
Speaker 2: can't really find much kind of recorded history. But apparently
Speaker 2: Charlie Chaplin might have lived in the Dome or he well,
Speaker 2: his house was built by one of the main people
Speaker 2: in the Theosophy community. His house was being built up
Speaker 2: the hill, so he lived there while his house was
Speaker 2: being built. But I kind of feel like there was
Speaker 2: some interesting darker arts that were being practiced in those
Speaker 2: spaces once the Theosophus left.
Speaker 3: That's so fascinating.
Speaker 1: Is the building still there?
Speaker 2: The building's still there. Yeah, So then it's been apartments
Speaker 2: since the thirties.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And the current owner has had it since the late seventies.
Speaker 2: There was the whole sixties period where like Jimmy Hendrix's
Speaker 2: bass player lived in the Dome and like there would
Speaker 2: be like these wild parties, acid dropping parties at Kratona.
Speaker 2: Kratona's kind of like been notorious for, like you know,
Speaker 2: like it's a sceney place and it's been owned by
Speaker 2: this man who took it over in the late seventies.
Speaker 2: Apparently it was pretty trashed by the sixties wildness and
Speaker 2: he has owned.
Speaker 3: It ever since.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: And he still continues to own it, own it. And
Speaker 2: then I kind of stumbled it literally fell in my
Speaker 2: lap like a big orb that bluffed in my lap.
Speaker 2: And then it is well, that dome is an orb.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's a spaceship. And you know, I'll show
Speaker 2: you some pictures where when I would I had the
Speaker 2: dome gold leafed. I restored it because no one else
Speaker 2: was going to do it. It was crumbling when I
Speaker 2: got it and growing in it and stuff, Yeah, vine's
Speaker 2: growing in it. It's a literally literally and I just
Speaker 2: knew that it was a sacred space that needed to
Speaker 2: be paid attention to. So I cleaned it with my
Speaker 2: bare hands and brought in my friends who were at
Speaker 2: that time out of work because of various Hollywood strikes.
Speaker 2: So I have a brilliant production designer friend who had
Speaker 2: a vision that we should gold leaf the dome and
Speaker 2: I was like, ah, that sounds expensive and scary, and
Speaker 2: you know, but her friends, her her husband, and his
Speaker 2: friends were out of work, so it was like for
Speaker 2: them it was like an art project and it needed it,
Speaker 2: and you know, and I desperately knew that the space
Speaker 2: needed to be reawakened and enlivened and and then I
Speaker 2: saw that the buildings all around were crumbling, and I
Speaker 2: really couldn't understand why the buildings were not historical landmarks
Speaker 2: because they are the most historically relevant buildings in Hollywood.
Speaker 2: The original it is the original building. I mean before
Speaker 2: the Hollywood sign was there, Before it was Hollywood, it
Speaker 2: was Kretona. So then I you know, it's a long story,
Speaker 2: but to make it short, I got in touch with
Speaker 2: LA Conservancy and they took on the project to work
Speaker 2: to have it registered historical landmark through the city and.
Speaker 1: So then they could never knock it down.
Speaker 2: It can't get knocked down now. And now it has
Speaker 2: to be taken care of and unless, you know, unless
Speaker 2: an act of nature knocks it down. But it can't
Speaker 2: be knocked down because of you know, someone deciding to
Speaker 2: build a high rise or something.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's amazing, that's incredible. I'd love to see that
Speaker 1: place in person.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Sure, Well it's it's apartment buildings. So even me
Speaker 2: talking about it here, like all you guys out there,
Speaker 2: you can't go see it. It's a it's an apartment complex.
Speaker 2: But you can kind of walk past it and give
Speaker 2: a little bow and understand the history. But I'll show
Speaker 2: you guys some picture.
Speaker 3: Yes, I would love to see. And I wanted to
Speaker 3: breeze by this real quick because there's this theme of
Speaker 3: like Manly P. Hall between us, right, so you're.
Speaker 2: Okay yea, yeah, yeah, And you know, like this whole
Speaker 2: area of Los Angeles, Beechwood Canyon where Kratona is. There's
Speaker 2: also the Verdonta Center there, and just down the road
Speaker 2: is Manly P. Hall's uh Philosophical Research Society. It's all
Speaker 2: within like a couple miles of each other. It's because
Speaker 2: this area is literally like the it's a portal, it's
Speaker 2: a spiritual portal.
Speaker 1: It could all of those things congregate into that one
Speaker 1: area exactly.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, because because there is an incredible, incredible deep
Speaker 2: energy and it goes back to you know, kind of
Speaker 2: indigenous land stuff and beyond who knows what else.
Speaker 3: Ye of course, for sure, it's ancient lands, it has
Speaker 3: to been. I mean, it's all ancient land, right, but
Speaker 3: like there's probably was some stuff going on there with
Speaker 3: people's from aon's ago, maybe some sort of work, maybe atlantis,
Speaker 3: who knows, but yeah, I mean people obviously it's like
Speaker 3: kind of an open secret, but not even a really
Speaker 3: a secret anymore that like so much dark stuff goes
Speaker 3: on in LA But we were talking about this. I
Speaker 3: firmly believe this, and I especially realized this when I
Speaker 3: just went to Amsterdam this this last year. I went
Speaker 3: to Amsterdam and experienced three days there and there was
Speaker 3: this incredible feeling, and I learned so much about Amsterdam's
Speaker 3: esoteric history. It's known as like the esoteric capital of
Speaker 3: the world. Really, yes, because in the in the like
Speaker 3: maybe the seventeen hundreds or even earlier, like the fourteen hundreds,
Speaker 3: when the Church was killing the heretics, right so to speak.
Speaker 3: By the way, excellent movie. If you haven't seen it, Heretic,
Speaker 3: the new one, watch it. Oh well, I mean there's
Speaker 3: a movie called The Heretic that's not related. I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I know that, the one with Pierce Hugh Grant. Huge.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, British guys, right, But no, But anyway, excellent movie.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna move past that when we talk about it later.
Speaker 3: But when the Church was crashing down on the heretics
Speaker 3: who were preaching things outside of doctrines, such as you know,
Speaker 3: the Templar Knights, the Rosicrucians. Even later, the Freemasons, all
Speaker 3: these different societies. There's so many more that I probably missed,
Speaker 3: you know, the Knights of Malta. There's so many different
Speaker 3: societies that were like being persecuted. Her Meticism, theosophy missed
Speaker 3: that wave because it was in the eighteen hundreds, you know,
Speaker 3: and in the I guess the industrial era, where the
Speaker 3: Church wasn't burning people anymore, right, But when that was
Speaker 3: going on in medieval times, people would take these sacred scrolls,
Speaker 3: Pythagorean mystery texts, you know, Plato readings, Hermetic philosophy, magical
Speaker 3: papyrie from Greece, you name it, alchemical writings of Hoenheim
Speaker 3: or Paracelsus. They would take these scrolls and they would
Speaker 3: flee to the Netherlands because the Netherlands was a place
Speaker 3: where you could come and you could be safe from
Speaker 3: the persecution of the church, and there was this.
Speaker 2: And then there was a lot of waterways ways to
Speaker 2: get in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and Amsterdam or rather the Netherlands has always had
Speaker 3: this sort of philosophical open mindedness to it culturally and
Speaker 3: as a country, so like it just became a thing
Speaker 3: where alchemists and philosophers and magicians and wizards or whoever
Speaker 3: would would flee to the Netherlands for protection. So a
Speaker 3: massive wealth of books and texts and and famous famous
Speaker 3: names have over time settled there. Right. So there's a
Speaker 3: library in Amsterdam called the I can't think of the name.
Speaker 3: It's like the I'll have to look at it later.
Speaker 3: I've been there and and it's like the largest esoteric
Speaker 3: library in the world. There's like thirty thousand books.
Speaker 1: Isn't it like the Library of the Mind or.
Speaker 3: Something, Embassy of the Free Mind Embassy, yes, the Embassy
Speaker 3: of the Free Yeah, that was a good lay up there,
Speaker 3: but the Embassy of the Free Mind. So my whole
Speaker 3: point is that that I've been there and and and then.
Speaker 2: The PRS is the Philosophical Research Society, is the largest
Speaker 2: collection of esoteric books in America.
Speaker 3: In America, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: That Manly Hall collected over you know, the course of
Speaker 2: his kind of travels and career, and it's got some
Speaker 2: of the most rare kind of books you know in America.
Speaker 2: For America, you know Pristly in the UK and now
Speaker 2: I know Amsterdam, but for America, this this library that
Speaker 2: you can go visit and.
Speaker 1: Then two days a week, and that's the one that's
Speaker 1: right around the corner, from right.
Speaker 2: Around the corner, from from down from Kurtuna. It's it's
Speaker 2: it's in what's called Los Filas, and it's literally hiding
Speaker 2: in plain sight. And Manly P.
Speaker 3: Hall started it.
Speaker 2: He started it, and it's almost it'll be one hundred
Speaker 2: years in nineteen thirty, in twenty thirty something. Wow. But
Speaker 2: it's a vibrant, vibrant community now with Like my husband
Speaker 2: saw a film last night on Nina Simone, and there's
Speaker 2: a film next week that we're going to go see
Speaker 2: on Maria Sabina.
Speaker 3: You know who is the I've heard the name of.
Speaker 2: You know, she's like the she's the shaman master from
Speaker 2: Where's Maria Sabina from? Help?
Speaker 1: I know Nina Simone?
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, Maria is like the woman the mushroom guru
Speaker 2: who like them.
Speaker 3: The South America would have South America. I know you're
Speaker 3: talking about. I've seen this in the documentary. Yeah, so
Speaker 3: they're showing that this is how mushrooms became to the world.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is they're showing that documentary next week. And
Speaker 2: then you can also hear music performances, yeah, art performances.
Speaker 2: There's the spectrovision guys, will tape some of their podcasts
Speaker 2: episodes there.
Speaker 3: I've got to get there, yeah, yeah, to get dark.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm so excited for you guys to be there.
Speaker 3: I am so oh. This is why I even brought
Speaker 3: this up, because you know, I just wanted to say
Speaker 3: that after going to answer in myself and being enriched
Speaker 3: in the esoteric history of the alchemy and all that stuff.
Speaker 3: But then also, what else is it known for rights
Speaker 3: and prostitutions? Yes, course a lot of very you know,
Speaker 3: dark stuff. Yeah, but so it's like exactly that's That's
Speaker 3: exactly what I'm getting at. Where there is this dark,
Speaker 3: there is also this light. And I think that people
Speaker 3: get too hung up on the dark of things, you know,
Speaker 3: and like la has as, we could imagine a lot
Speaker 3: of light too, I mean a lot of good things
Speaker 3: to offer to the world. And there has to be
Speaker 3: some sort of circling back way now, like way far now,
Speaker 3: But there has to be some sort of vortex here
Speaker 3: where you know, there's this powerful like gravitational pool. For
Speaker 3: I fill a pool there, not to move there or
Speaker 3: anything like that. But I have so many friends there now,
Speaker 3: you and so many other people that I'm like dying
Speaker 3: for a trip to La I really want to go.
Speaker 2: But even that thing of like you know, the kind
Speaker 2: of the light and the dark forces, we all carry
Speaker 2: that within ourselves. So you can't only ascend to light
Speaker 2: spaces if you don't also pay attention to what's below
Speaker 2: with the darkness. So that's where shadow work comes into play.
Speaker 2: You cannot have just ascension if you don't do shadow work.
Speaker 2: So that's like, you know, and that's like we are portals.
Speaker 2: Each of us is a portal. Portal places on the
Speaker 2: planet will attract those like extreme highs, extreme depths, but
Speaker 2: we too have to find the balance between those spaces.
Speaker 1: You can't have one without the other, you can't. It
Speaker 1: just doesn't at That's what balance is.
Speaker 2: That's where the whole like, you know, finding balance, center
Speaker 2: of the light in the dark. You know, it's that
Speaker 2: middle point.
Speaker 3: Do your resonent tuning people. But no, that's very powerfully said.
Speaker 3: And like maybe this is something you might not be
Speaker 3: aware of yet, Patty, but or maybe maybe you've heard
Speaker 3: so many podcasts about us by now that you're an expert.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but I'm just going to assume we're
Speaker 3: is square one, right, And like in the eighteen years
Speaker 3: of us doing this thing, and the orbs and all
Speaker 3: the investigations and the government researching us, and you know,
Speaker 3: millions of people around the world finding out about us
Speaker 3: and writing to us. We have had more people than
Speaker 3: one could compute that that have reached out to us
Speaker 3: over time. It happens daily. You're exhibiting, You're sitting around here.
Speaker 3: You know, I reached out and there are so many
Speaker 3: everyday people you know, from all over the world reaching
Speaker 3: out and they're saying, I saw an ORB, I saw
Speaker 3: an ORB, I saw an ORB. And my dad for
Speaker 3: eighteen years, he still does this. He's always said, that's great.
Speaker 3: What's going on in your life? Trauma? The answer is
Speaker 3: one hundred percent of the time, it's trauma. If you
Speaker 3: see the orbs, I mean yes, because the thing is
Speaker 3: like if.
Speaker 1: They just appear to you, you know, because there's people
Speaker 1: that will come and see us, and we'll have two
Speaker 1: hundred people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's different, I'm saying. I'm saying, and times are
Speaker 3: different now.
Speaker 1: They come unprompted.
Speaker 3: We're in the age of Aquarius now, where I firmly
Speaker 3: believe this. I firmly believe that we are now in
Speaker 3: the age of Aquarius. And it's like the kind of
Speaker 3: thing where it's going to unfold for everybody on a
Speaker 3: mass scale. But it wasn't always like that. For eighteen years,
Speaker 3: you know, ten years ago, three years ago, it was
Speaker 3: still like I want to see, I want to see.
Speaker 3: People would pay their life savings and donate a leg
Speaker 3: to see an ORB and you know, it's like there
Speaker 3: really were a small group of people in the world
Speaker 3: even seeing them at all, even up to two years ago, right,
Speaker 3: And so we would have messages from thousands of people
Speaker 3: being like I saw one, I saw one. Great. What's
Speaker 3: going on in your life? I'm talking. People are just
Speaker 3: like they're washing dishes in their kitchen and then boom,
Speaker 3: or about the window, or they're outside, they're driving the truck, boom.
Speaker 3: I'm not talking there doing the work. It just appears, right,
Speaker 3: always trauma. What's going on in your life? My father died,
Speaker 3: my wife died, my son has cancer, I have cancer, whatever,
Speaker 3: X y Z. Every single time it was trauma. And
Speaker 3: I'm saying this because you said you can't have the
Speaker 3: assension without the shadow work, right, I think that's so.
Speaker 2: That's a sign of the light when you're going yes
Speaker 2: it's dark, Yes, yes, that's what I was getting to. Wow,
Speaker 2: I want to tell a story. We were asking me
Speaker 2: about my experience with and I kind of told my
Speaker 2: friend's experience which led me to you guys. I didn't
Speaker 2: even talk about how the amazing coincidence that I'm sitting
Speaker 2: here in this room right now because I manifested this
Speaker 2: because I wanted so bad to you know, meet you
Speaker 2: and have a SkyWatch.
Speaker 3: It's a mutual.
Speaker 2: The day of the fires in La beginning of January,
Speaker 2: we had heard that there were going to be high winds,
Speaker 2: that there were high wind advisories, which you know, could
Speaker 2: could be fire kind of weather. That day I was,
Speaker 2: I was, it was about midday noon, January seventh, and
Speaker 2: I heard, I got a message or I saw something
Speaker 2: that there was a fire in the Palisades. And the
Speaker 2: Palisades is like, you know, it's a it's a very
Speaker 2: upscale neighborhood. It's you know, it's I mean, not that
Speaker 2: it matters upscale, downscale, but it was surprised, like Palssades. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like fire in the Palisades.
Speaker 1: WHOA.
Speaker 2: I saw that and I and the winds were kicking
Speaker 2: up and the winds were fierce, and I was driving
Speaker 2: home through Hollywood, through the center of Hollywood, like you know,
Speaker 2: Vine and Hollywood and Vine literally and I'm driving. The
Speaker 2: winds are really strong. I just want to get home.
Speaker 2: It feels like a weird energy day. And it's like
Speaker 2: noon and I look up. I'm sitting at a red
Speaker 2: light and I look up and I see something floating
Speaker 2: and it was like, I was like, is that a
Speaker 2: plastic bag?
Speaker 3: I haven't heard that one.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, that can't be. That's really high for
Speaker 2: a plastic bag. And that's it's weird. It's bright, but
Speaker 2: it's it's white, and and and then I realized that
Speaker 2: the winds were so strong all around, but it was
Speaker 2: dancing in a way that the winds. It wouldn't have
Speaker 2: been along with the wind. It was moving almost on
Speaker 2: its own, not because of winds. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: And it was it was it had a light to it,
Speaker 2: and and I and then the light turned green and
Speaker 2: I'm trying to keep watching it, and I'm like watching
Speaker 2: as much as I can so I don't get in
Speaker 2: an accident. And it's doing this incredible dance that I
Speaker 2: felt like it was dancing for me. And and then
Speaker 2: I got home, and then the news just started pouring
Speaker 2: that day of fire fire fire, and then and then
Speaker 2: we went into like you know, like two weeks of trauma,
Speaker 2: you know, intent, but but I I kind of put
Speaker 2: it aside because there was like so much going on
Speaker 2: with the fire fire fire, and then I remembered that like,
Speaker 2: wait a minute, that was not a plastic bag.
Speaker 1: That was that?
Speaker 3: What was that?
Speaker 2: So?
Speaker 1: Yeah, so and at that point you had no idea
Speaker 1: like about the organ No, no, I had.
Speaker 3: We had already talked in December, right, yeah, okay, this
Speaker 3: was was January.
Speaker 2: January. We had already had, we had already connected and
Speaker 2: I had you know, I read again ridged the podcast. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: in that moment, well, there was at first like that's weird,
Speaker 2: and then and then there was like as it was
Speaker 2: driving and seeing like that's something. And then I was
Speaker 2: like is that is that? And I'm like eyes on
Speaker 2: the road, and then I had you know, and then
Speaker 2: and then well it was, I I know, for sure
Speaker 2: for sure trauma trauma. There was trauma happened. There was like,
Speaker 2: you know, we were on the precipice. It was life changing.
Speaker 2: It was the precipice. It almost felt it felt like
Speaker 2: a like an omen or maybe like a guiding light,
Speaker 2: a guiding light.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at least for you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was really powerful.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's how it works that.
Speaker 2: Day. If it would have been any other day, it
Speaker 2: might not have had the like the wow this is
Speaker 2: this felt like it was very synchronistic.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I I that.
Speaker 3: I'm shurek like just thinking thinking about like all these
Speaker 3: events unfolding. I am and like we were. You know,
Speaker 3: I've been talking a lot lately, at least this year
Speaker 3: about Manly p. Hall On on the show, because I
Speaker 3: started when I left the Embassy of the Free Mind
Speaker 3: in Amsterdam on that trip while I was back in Germany,
Speaker 3: because I just went to Germany, you know, last year,
Speaker 3: and we did a little three day excursion by train
Speaker 3: to Amsterdam and then we came back to Germany for
Speaker 3: like another week. And while I was in Germany, I
Speaker 3: started reading on my phone The Secret Teaching of All Ages.
Speaker 2: I was going to ask you, have you ever put
Speaker 2: your hands on one of the large scale Secret Teaging Well,
Speaker 2: you know, Tashen did a reproduction of the Secret Teachings
Speaker 2: of All Ages in the original size and scale, with
Speaker 2: you know, original documents and it's one of the most
Speaker 2: incredible books. Well it's it's I mean, it's not the original,
Speaker 2: but it's like a recreation, a recreation.
Speaker 3: So was it like a huge, huge, huge of it
Speaker 3: because you told me about it. Yeah, it's like it's
Speaker 3: like a tome. Yeah. And so I started reading The
Speaker 3: Secret Teachings of All Ages while I was in Germany,
Speaker 3: and then I got back and I was so inspired
Speaker 3: by this book that we we have done many episodes
Speaker 3: covering content from it, and then we've been in this
Speaker 3: like amazing groove lately where it's just been like guest
Speaker 3: after guest after guest, and we haven't done any sort
Speaker 3: of like outside guest content lately. But I've been thinking
Speaker 3: so much about Manly P. Hall and The Secret Teachings
Speaker 3: of All Ages this past year, talking about it on
Speaker 3: the show, all this stuff. And then you pop up
Speaker 3: and you're like, poof, Hey, I want you to come
Speaker 3: to the PRS. They want you to do something there,
Speaker 3: and I'm like what.
Speaker 2: Well, I yeah, I was telling them because I spent
Speaker 2: a lot of time there and it's like it's like
Speaker 2: my community now and I'm friends with program and director
Speaker 2: and I told I asked if they'd heard of you know,
Speaker 2: your dad's.
Speaker 3: Book, and and they have and amazing.
Speaker 2: They yeah they. I was like, what about what about
Speaker 2: you know, having a bled so night and they are
Speaker 2: down so down.
Speaker 3: I'm down, yeah, fully down.
Speaker 2: And yeah it's a really it's a really special place.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited for you to be there, be part
Speaker 2: of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, me too. I feel like we have covered a
Speaker 3: lot of amazing things. Is there anything left that you like?
Speaker 3: How are you feeling?
Speaker 2: I feel good? I yeah, I mean I thankfully didn't
Speaker 2: have to talk about being a makeup artist. Not thankfully,
Speaker 2: but you know, it's just like it's so nice to
Speaker 2: talk about the stuff that really excites me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we get that all.
Speaker 2: I mean, And I love I mean, obviously I love
Speaker 2: what I do for a living. But and it's brought
Speaker 2: me to so many places. It brought me here literally,
Speaker 2: I'm you know, down here getting to paint a beautiful
Speaker 2: face and now sit here.
Speaker 1: But this.
Speaker 2: World of esotericism and what is kind of available to
Speaker 2: us through kind of being an open channel is what
Speaker 2: I'm really into. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I think this is a great place to you know,
Speaker 3: kind of let it peacefully fizzle out because I want
Speaker 3: to say something. Normally, the formula is the SkyWatch.
Speaker 1: First.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was kind of bummed that, you know, I
Speaker 2: wasn't going to be able to do this after a SkyWatch.
Speaker 2: But then I also was like, well, what if I
Speaker 2: didn't see anything? That would have been a really awkward show.
Speaker 3: Not really, you know, you will see something. I don't
Speaker 3: think it's a.
Speaker 2: Coward night now, I know. I actually I told you
Speaker 2: I had a dream about your dad last night, and
Speaker 2: in the dream I was already seeing kind of I
Speaker 2: had beautiful visions in the dream good and it was
Speaker 2: really it was beautiful. Yeah, I feel like it already.
Speaker 2: The door has already opened.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. You just you're just needing to consciously confirm what
Speaker 3: you already know. And that is so natural and that
Speaker 3: is a That's why people get the temples. Yeah, that's
Speaker 3: why people go to a makeup artist.
Speaker 2: Well, I want to ask you something. Actually when and
Speaker 2: this I mean, I'm going to find this out tonight.
Speaker 2: But I don't know if this is something you share
Speaker 2: with your audience and if it's not.
Speaker 3: Well we're about to find out.
Speaker 1: So well.
Speaker 2: I you know, I've been really contemplating this and sitting
Speaker 2: you know, I love nothing more than to sit outside
Speaker 2: and be under the sky, whether I can see stars
Speaker 2: like I can here or not see stars like Los Angeles,
Speaker 2: but I just I like, I really enjoy sitting outside
Speaker 2: and just with the vastness of the you know cosmos
Speaker 2: around me and wondering, you know, inner prayer, trying to
Speaker 2: call in those who want to be seen, you know,
Speaker 2: are there beings that want to be seen, energies that
Speaker 2: want to be seen, And then getting some sort of
Speaker 2: frustrated that maybe I'm not seeing what I wish I
Speaker 2: was seeing. And then I wonder, is there a technique?
Speaker 2: Is there a formula? Is there a prayer? Is there
Speaker 2: a state of being?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How do you prepare? How would one prepare themselves to
Speaker 2: sit out and SkyWatch on their own? If or not
Speaker 2: so lucky to be amongst this crew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they we get asked that all the time, all
Speaker 1: the time, and we talk about it all the time
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: I mean there's you know, I mean doing you know,
Speaker 2: working with Monroe, you know, sound frequencies has really opened
Speaker 2: me up to a lot and and you know, is
Speaker 2: that a technique or whatever that or is it just
Speaker 2: like resonating? Yeah, what's the technique.
Speaker 3: Monroe is great, and they will be the first to
Speaker 3: tell you when you go there that there's no magic
Speaker 3: in their frequencies. The magic is in your brain, right right.
Speaker 3: They are just so good at like preparing a package
Speaker 3: more efficiently than anyone else. You know. It's and anyway,
Speaker 3: I'm just talking about Monroe because you brought Monroe up.
Speaker 3: Love Monroe. They're great, but and and their sound technologies
Speaker 3: can help you get to that place. But the reality
Speaker 3: is that place is within your brain.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So the way that we do this is it's not
Speaker 3: a C E five, it's not a you know, it's
Speaker 3: not a school or a lesson that you have to
Speaker 3: go and like learn certain techniques over many weeks or months.
Speaker 3: It's so simple. You go outside. First of all, you
Speaker 3: be humble when you address the higher power. You better
Speaker 3: be humble because it knows your thoughts. It knows every
Speaker 3: thing you've ever thought, everything you will thought, every emotion
Speaker 3: you've ever had, every will have and beyond you know,
Speaker 3: So you be humble when you address the higher power.
Speaker 3: You connect with it in your mind because it knows
Speaker 3: your thoughts. You can call it prayer, you can call
Speaker 3: it telepathy, you can call it meditating. I don't care,
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter. You know, it's like tomato tomato. Just
Speaker 3: know that they hear your thoughts. You go outside, you
Speaker 3: look up, and you send your thoughts up to them.
Speaker 3: Imagine projecting your thoughts to them. Picture them in your
Speaker 3: mind as these powerful, loving, benevolent beings who are aware
Speaker 3: of even your thoughts, and just say, i'd love to
Speaker 3: see I know you're there. If you're there, would you
Speaker 3: be willing to show me?
Speaker 2: And then it's it that the word love is was
Speaker 2: so crucial to this equation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's literally it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: You can go back and listen to every show we've
Speaker 3: ever done and you'll be like, Okay, yeah, that checks out.
Speaker 3: They've said it many, many, many times, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean. And it's like, it's not a it's not
Speaker 3: a method, it's not a technique. It's just a fact
Speaker 3: that it's not a ritual. It's not a ritual. You know,
Speaker 3: rituals are great, that's fine. People sometimes need stuff like that,
Speaker 3: maybe people need mon row frequencies. But you don't, you
Speaker 3: know what I mean. You probably would be the first
Speaker 3: to tell us that the whole reason people do a
Speaker 3: ritual is just to get the mind to a certain place, right,
Speaker 3: but that places your mind, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: It's all within us, Yes, exactly, it's all within us.
Speaker 3: It's all a natural part of our being. The connection
Speaker 3: is natural, it's timeless, it's you know, it's beyond physical reality,
Speaker 3: and it's just knowledge. It's a knowing.
Speaker 2: I want to share this crazy story. Okay, I know
Speaker 2: we're a little over an hour.
Speaker 3: What We're fine.
Speaker 2: So we were talking at lunch about past life regression
Speaker 2: and uh, you know, and Crystal Pearl was sharing her
Speaker 2: stories and and Ryan shared some stories. And I didn't
Speaker 2: share this at lunch, but I just feel really called
Speaker 2: to share it with all of your audience.
Speaker 3: WHOA.
Speaker 2: I recently did some past life regression work and one
Speaker 2: of the you know, it's a it's a very long session,
Speaker 2: so multiple incarnations can come through. And one incarnation that
Speaker 2: came through was I was a star. I was just
Speaker 2: a start. I was in Yes, I'm amazing. It was
Speaker 2: there was you know, you know when you get into
Speaker 2: a past life regret, when you're doing regression, you have
Speaker 2: to first kind of describe where you are. And I'm like,
Speaker 2: it's just space. It's just deep space. There's all there
Speaker 2: is a space, and then it's trying to like, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of understand, well, where who are you within that?
Speaker 2: And all I could comprehend and put together was that
Speaker 2: I was a light source. I was a star. I
Speaker 2: was and I was saying these wild things that are
Speaker 2: not my words that were just coming through that we
Speaker 2: are all stars. I mean, this is you know, Crowley,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean anyway, we're all stars, but we
Speaker 2: are that light source. And I said the words that
Speaker 2: the core of us, the nucleus of all of us,
Speaker 2: is love and that's what's shining. And it felt so like,
Speaker 2: it just felt so important that all we are is
Speaker 2: this nucleus of love that is radiating light out through
Speaker 2: the cosmos. Yeah, and it made me feel very connected to,
Speaker 2: you know, kind of everything that is surrounds us and
Speaker 2: star families, human families, because if we remember that within
Speaker 2: us all is this nucleus of love, it is just
Speaker 2: so simple. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think it's the only reason that we're here. I
Speaker 1: think it's the only reason any of the physical, anything,
Speaker 1: is any realm, is here. It's like otherwise we could
Speaker 1: just stay some amorphous ethereal blob experiencing nothing in nothingness.
Speaker 1: But it's like, no, we're here to incarnate and experience
Speaker 1: love because that's what everything is, and we just we
Speaker 1: just needed a frame of reference to be able to
Speaker 1: feel it, which is why duality exists.
Speaker 3: I think a good metaphor to explain it based on
Speaker 3: just like my readings of the esoteric is like and
Speaker 3: again this is like strictly metaphorically speaking, right, but like
Speaker 3: us existing is like God doing shadow work.
Speaker 2: I love that so much, you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: that's exactly what we've been talking about, is we we
Speaker 2: are portals and God is doing the shadow work. You know,
Speaker 2: the kind of light above is having to do the
Speaker 2: shadow work through us. We are the portal.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's a perfect analogy honestly.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like not that God is an imperfect being or
Speaker 3: or a negative being or anything like that that because
Speaker 3: I understand people might take it that way, but in
Speaker 3: my understanding, it's like the way that reality came to be.
Speaker 3: People are always like, first of all, when you say
Speaker 3: the word God, people are so boxed in their mind
Speaker 3: they only think about it in a Christian search.
Speaker 2: But that's just one more their framework that right be
Speaker 2: led to. Yeah, but that's just that's why the Indie
Speaker 2: the kind of more Eastern religions always resonate with me
Speaker 2: because God is much more expansive. God is in all.
Speaker 2: You know, we are God and that is and in everything.
Speaker 2: And it's not the sky Daddy up there, you know.
Speaker 2: And it's not just the sky Daddy. It's more you know,
Speaker 2: God is within us all.
Speaker 3: But see, that's like Western terrorism too, you know, Like
Speaker 3: I genuinely believe the truth can only be found with
Speaker 3: the blending of the East and the West. Like it,
Speaker 3: they have to both be together. It's it's like, you know, duality,
Speaker 3: like both both systems or both bodies of knowledge are
Speaker 3: fundamentally true, and that they bring different parts of the
Speaker 3: equation into one full focus, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's probably why so many myths throughout history it's always
Speaker 1: the East going to the west or the West going
Speaker 1: to the east. There's always a trek, there's always a
Speaker 1: journey from one to the other. It's to get the
Speaker 1: whole picture.
Speaker 3: Why was all the gurus coming to America? You know
Speaker 3: what I mean? But also like why was you know,
Speaker 3: Jesus Pythagoras played going to the Yeah, exactly, It's like
Speaker 3: this conundrum, right, and all these bodies of knowledge becoming syncretized.
Speaker 3: But again, like to reiterate what I was saying about
Speaker 3: the shadow work, from what I've read and understood, it's
Speaker 3: like the reason that this universe was expressed into being
Speaker 3: was because you know the phrase from Socrates I believe
Speaker 3: it was. It was Aristotle. Rather, I'm not one hundred
Speaker 3: percent sure which one it was, but it was know thyself,
Speaker 3: right that, like you have to know thyself in order
Speaker 3: to become enlightened. And I think that like the original consciousness,
Speaker 3: God knew thyself that reflected within, and then from that
Speaker 3: reflection came further emanations of existence. Whether it intended to
Speaker 3: create reality or I don't know, because it's some all knowing,
Speaker 3: all all encompassing being that it's perfect in and of itself,
Speaker 3: and therefore within contemplating itself, lower emanations came into being.
Speaker 3: And then those lower emanations are like I'm God, I am,
Speaker 3: I am All, I am the Creator and the Ruler
Speaker 3: and that yeah, and then that's how we have this
Speaker 3: little material reality. And it's just like many many dimensional
Speaker 3: layers of higher entities contemplating uh lower emanations of oneself
Speaker 3: and to who we are and we're like, oh shit,
Speaker 3: I forgot to pay my internet bill. Oh crap, I'm
Speaker 3: late for class, you know what I mean, Like, we're
Speaker 3: so dumb, We're so primitive compared to these omnipotent and
Speaker 3: omniscient beings. Right, but like you know it, we're still
Speaker 3: connected to the highest possible source and that's why we're
Speaker 3: such wonderful divine beings.
Speaker 2: But because that highest possible source is the nucleus of
Speaker 2: love that's in us.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, exactly, and that's what all we are.
Speaker 2: And we just get so distracted. Yeah, and then we
Speaker 2: remember and then get so distracted again.
Speaker 3: You smoke a little d MD, or maybe you meditate
Speaker 3: just the right way.
Speaker 2: But on those headphones and get into that dreads, or
Speaker 2: you go.
Speaker 1: Through trauma yeah right, and you're forced or front.
Speaker 3: There's so many different pathways. When when you have that
Speaker 3: jolt to your system where you begin to awaken to
Speaker 3: there's something more and you're like, oh my god, dude,
Speaker 3: like I've had it wrong, you know, like there's something else.
Speaker 3: There's there's lights in the sky. You know, I can
Speaker 3: go out of body at will. I mean, life is magical,
Speaker 3: the universe is magical. We are magical.
Speaker 2: Beings, So is there a way to like you, I
Speaker 2: keep thinking about what your father said and like asking
Speaker 2: that question of like what's going on in your life
Speaker 2: and is there trauma in your life? Because this is
Speaker 2: you're spontaneously seeing this, there's a point where you kind
Speaker 2: of overcome the trauma and are able to then have
Speaker 2: more of a kind of you know, kind of uplifted
Speaker 2: relationship with I mean, I can't imagine that, like ORB
Speaker 2: sightings are only like when you're having trauma in your life,
Speaker 2: don't know. That's most of the time, that's just the spontaneous.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, And it's not that you've overcome trauma and
Speaker 3: it's like great, here's your reward. But rather more so,
Speaker 3: it's like they appear as like a guide through it,
Speaker 3: like you know, stay on the path, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but then there's all that conditioning outside, and
Speaker 2: you know that we're supposed to be afraid of that stuff.
Speaker 2: That's a whole other. That's the dark, that's the dark force,
Speaker 2: and that's the whole other. Yeah, that's a whole other.
Speaker 1: An unfortunate side of things making the light seem like
Speaker 1: it's dark to divert people.
Speaker 2: I guess that's with all religions. I mean not all religions,
Speaker 2: but many religions are trying to, you know, kind of
Speaker 2: keep us from doing shadow work literally. Yeah, yeah, to
Speaker 2: be afraid of it, be afraid of a cemetery, be.
Speaker 3: Afraid of an angel, yeah, you know, be afraid of
Speaker 3: seeking wisdom within yourself. You know a lot of things.
Speaker 3: And I'll just leave it at that and not try
Speaker 3: to be disrespectful because I had some jokes come to
Speaker 3: mind that maybe I shouldn't say yourself, be afraid, be
Speaker 3: afraid to uh, never mind, but I'll tell you later.
Speaker 3: But yeah, you know, it's it's it's just kind of
Speaker 3: mind blowing. Like the scope of things I've really enjoyed.
Speaker 3: I I just enjoy being in your presence. You're really cool.
Speaker 3: You have an energy about you, for sure, absolutely, and
Speaker 3: I'm looking forward. So I was saying this about twenty
Speaker 3: minutes ago or fifteen minutes ago, that, like typically the
Speaker 3: formulas we SkyWatch first, but we had limited time we're
Speaker 3: working with here, so that opens the door to a
Speaker 3: future part two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a part two. Yeah, Well, maybe you take the
Speaker 2: show on the road and we do part two from.
Speaker 3: LA let's do I mean, let's do it, man, twist
Speaker 3: my arm, come on, Alex.
Speaker 2: Or whatever, you know, virtual whatever, whatever. But yeah, I
Speaker 2: love that idea.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's do it.
Speaker 2: I love that I'm worthy of a part too.
Speaker 3: Oh, we're worthy of just you know, hang out with you.
Speaker 3: I hope, Yeah, I hope. So one thing I like
Speaker 3: to ask listeners is if you can imagine there are
Speaker 3: a lot of people listening and you had, like that
Speaker 3: one little opportunity to tell them your most banging piece
Speaker 3: of wisdom that you've just always wished you had the
Speaker 3: opportunity to impress upon people that you think it'll help
Speaker 3: people maybe turn their life around. Whatever. Like, what what
Speaker 3: would you if you had a people listening, what would
Speaker 3: you share with them? Wow?
Speaker 2: That's deep. Well, I mean I feel like what I
Speaker 2: shared a few minutes ago, that message that came through
Speaker 2: in my star form that you know, I love that
Speaker 2: nucleus is love. The nucleus within all of us is love.
Speaker 2: That's kind of huge, and I mean that's that's really
Speaker 2: all there is. There's love, you know, I mean, that's it.
Speaker 2: I think the other thing I just maybe want to
Speaker 2: share that is that when you look in the mirror,
Speaker 2: remember to find yourself in that mirror and not to
Speaker 2: go to the place of self judgment, insecurity, kind of
Speaker 2: expectations of societal forces or wishful thinking, and the mind
Speaker 2: can very easily go to spin to a very negative
Speaker 2: place when people look in the mirror. Maybe I don't know,
Speaker 2: I haven't interviewed so many men about this, but with women.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's just with humans. When you
Speaker 2: look in the mirror, you start self judging yourself. So
Speaker 2: I think that my greatest wish and what I hope
Speaker 2: that a legacy that I'm going to kind of be
Speaker 2: able to share with the world is to find self
Speaker 2: acceptance through the mirror. And that's kind of leading me
Speaker 2: towards something that I'll be you know, talking about maybe
Speaker 2: on part two. Yeah, maybe part two, because I'll be
Speaker 2: sharing something.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I love that. It's very positive.
Speaker 1: It's a message that a lot of people need to hear.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I think it does a.
Speaker 2: Human we're all everything that we're looking at is so
Speaker 2: filtered and manipulated, and and you know, the expectations on
Speaker 2: people to look a certain way or to have stuff
Speaker 2: or to be something, it's also warped. And so people,
Speaker 2: you know, are not not easily finding acceptance because they
Speaker 2: always feel like they're not meeting these standards of society.
Speaker 2: Society is set up, and I see that in the
Speaker 2: beauty industry especially, you know, because That's where I'm coming from.
Speaker 2: So I see how it's like really like fucking with
Speaker 2: people's heads that you know, you know, you don't look
Speaker 2: like what you used to look like, or you don't
Speaker 2: look like what that movie star looks like, or da
Speaker 2: da da da da. But then it's also like leads
Speaker 2: into like all, you know, the materialism of life, you
Speaker 2: know that, and that mirror is a place where you
Speaker 2: have an opportunity to meet the kind of light of
Speaker 2: your eyes, the soul of yourself, and connecting in that
Speaker 2: moment can be really powerful.
Speaker 3: I love that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like people look at themselves and they're like, well,
Speaker 1: I'll love myself and accept myself when I look.
Speaker 2: Like this, when I have a million dollars in the bank,
Speaker 2: when I get the job that I want, when I've
Speaker 2: lost thirty pounds.
Speaker 1: Then I'll be proud of myself and I'll love myself
Speaker 1: and accept myself.
Speaker 2: And it's like, no, do it right now now, because
Speaker 2: we don't have anything other than right now, this breath
Speaker 2: right exactly all we have just who knows what's like
Speaker 2: on the next let me step out the door.
Speaker 1: Nothing's promised, nothing at all.
Speaker 2: Nothing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's profound, that's beautiful. Yeah, I mean, like with
Speaker 3: the breath. And I've had great changes in my life
Speaker 3: when I realized that there's so much power in the
Speaker 3: breath and the awareness of the breath, in the state
Speaker 3: of mind that comes from the way that you're subconsciously breathing,
Speaker 3: you know. So yeah, that's a whole other conversation.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a whole I mean amazing for you know, anxiety, Like,
Speaker 2: you know, managing anxiety is just using the breath. It's
Speaker 2: also simple. You don't need to take a pill. You
Speaker 2: can just focus on your breath and it will help
Speaker 2: relieve you of you know, many stresses, many ailments.
Speaker 3: Yeah, when you're in a state of anxiety, your breath
Speaker 3: is reflecting a certain state.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you can use your and you can
Speaker 2: use your breath to reregulate, so you know, box breath
Speaker 2: and things like that, you know, to help kind of
Speaker 2: reregulate your system.
Speaker 1: Yeah. When I was watching the season finale of Severance,
Speaker 1: a couple of nights ago. I was about to have
Speaker 1: a panic attack, and I was like, I had to
Speaker 1: regulate myself. That show's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is that the one about the people who are
Speaker 2: like I have split live? I haven't watched it yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah, watched it.
Speaker 2: I gotta watch it.
Speaker 3: Amazing, unbelievable, amazing show.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I didn't mean to go off on a tangent.
Speaker 3: Now it's all good. Do you know how we in
Speaker 3: the show? Yeah?
Speaker 2: What do you say? What is it again? Just?
Speaker 3: Bye guys? Okay, yeah, are you ready for Yeah? It's
Speaker 3: just whatever?
Speaker 1: Ready to by?
Speaker 2: Bye guys?
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