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True Murder with your 63 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:41.240 host journalist and author Dan Zupanski. 64 00:02:50.520 --> 00:02:55.080 Good Evening. Daddy's Little Secret, A Daughter's quest to solve 65 00:02:55.159 --> 00:02:59.479 her father's brutal murder is the poignant true crime story 66 00:02:59.560 --> 00:03:02.759 about a daughter who, upon her father's murder, learns of 67 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:05.960 his secret double life. She had looked the other way 68 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:09.360 about other hidden facets of his life, deadly secrets that 69 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:11.919 could help his killer escape the death penalty should she 70 00:03:12.039 --> 00:03:16.039 come forward. An inside look at the complex and fascinating 71 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.919 psyche of a father who shared and an uncommon bond 72 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:23.319 with his daughter. Denise had spent years hiding deadly secrets 73 00:03:23.319 --> 00:03:26.879 about her enigmatic father. Wesley Wallace West was a trusted 74 00:03:26.960 --> 00:03:30.879 security guard of the Ritz Carlton Palm Beach. He was 75 00:03:30.919 --> 00:03:33.360 supposed to protect those who found themselves in his care. 76 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:36.199 But a closer look into his brutal murder revealed the 77 00:03:36.240 --> 00:03:39.520 split personality, one that his daughter may have seen but 78 00:03:39.639 --> 00:03:42.879 tried to ignore. However, detectives assigned to the case persuaded 79 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:45.840 her to sist them in the capture of her father's killer. 80 00:03:46.439 --> 00:03:48.599 The trail would lead from the glitz of Palm Beach 81 00:03:48.719 --> 00:03:51.240 to the murky streets of Dixie Highway and end in 82 00:03:51.319 --> 00:03:53.960 the court room, where her father's secret life and his 83 00:03:54.120 --> 00:03:58.400 dangerous mension for sex slaves would be revealed. The book 84 00:03:58.439 --> 00:04:00.599 that were featuring this evening is Daddy's lif Little Secret, 85 00:04:00.960 --> 00:04:04.400 A Daughter's Quest to solve a father's brutal murder, with 86 00:04:04.560 --> 00:04:08.120 my special guest author Denise Wallace. Welcome to the program, 87 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:10.159 and thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. 88 00:04:10.599 --> 00:04:15.599 Denise Wallace, Thank you for having me on. Dan thank 89 00:04:15.680 --> 00:04:20.079 you very much. Very incredible book, and let's get right 90 00:04:20.240 --> 00:04:24.199 to this incredible story because we have a lot to cover. 91 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.519 You open this book with the crime itself and you 92 00:04:29.639 --> 00:04:35.199 talk about Lake Worth where this occurred. Close to famous 93 00:04:35.319 --> 00:04:38.319 Palm Beach, you say, but not nearly as pricey and 94 00:04:38.480 --> 00:04:43.519 the Lake Osborne apartments, so let's talk about this little 95 00:04:43.600 --> 00:04:46.399 neighborhood lake Worth. Maybe could describe it before we talk 96 00:04:46.480 --> 00:04:51.560 about what mister and missus Mancini notice their next door 97 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:56.319 neighbors in apartment near two or nine your father's apartment. 98 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:59.279 Before that, tell us a little bit about Lake Worth 99 00:04:59.360 --> 00:05:02.199 and Palm Beach before we talk about what the Mancini's 100 00:05:02.199 --> 00:05:04.519 discovered that one day. 101 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:10.519 Okay, lake Worth is a mixed blue collar and white 102 00:05:10.560 --> 00:05:15.399 collar town. It's known for al art galleries and antique 103 00:05:15.439 --> 00:05:20.079 shops and theaters. Gets close enough to Palm Beach where 104 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:23.480 you can go and tour it, but it's not on 105 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:28.480 the water. And there was a famous murderer that was 106 00:05:28.519 --> 00:05:31.279 born there, the Texas Tower Sniper who I mentioned in 107 00:05:31.319 --> 00:05:35.759 the book as well towards the beginning, who killed seventeen people, 108 00:05:35.839 --> 00:05:41.040 I believe, including his wife and mother and several students 109 00:05:41.120 --> 00:05:41.920 at the university. 110 00:05:46.040 --> 00:05:52.120 So you talk about the the neighbors, the mister and 111 00:05:52.199 --> 00:05:55.600 missus Mancini, and you talk about what they found and 112 00:05:55.920 --> 00:05:58.560 their relationship, how long they had been in the building, 113 00:05:58.639 --> 00:06:01.439 and how long you're fall there had been at the 114 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:04.920 Lake Osborne apartment. So tell us about a little bit 115 00:06:04.959 --> 00:06:08.000 about the relationship and these neighbors and what they find 116 00:06:08.120 --> 00:06:08.519 that day. 117 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.959 Okay, the Mansinis were an elderly couple. My father lived. 118 00:06:14.079 --> 00:06:16.279 He had just only moved there a month before. But 119 00:06:16.879 --> 00:06:19.839 they were living in a senior community in Lake Worth, 120 00:06:20.079 --> 00:06:22.839 and the Mancinies had been there, I believe nine years, 121 00:06:24.639 --> 00:06:26.639 and my father had just moved in and they'd gotten 122 00:06:26.680 --> 00:06:29.079 to know him, you know a little bit, his acquaintances. 123 00:06:29.160 --> 00:06:31.040 They'd see him on the path on the stairs, and 124 00:06:31.120 --> 00:06:36.680 my father was very, very talkative, very wastress. And they 125 00:06:36.759 --> 00:06:41.000 knew that he had a grandchild and a daughter out 126 00:06:41.040 --> 00:06:44.800 in California, and you know that he worked at Riz 127 00:06:44.879 --> 00:06:46.920 Carlton Pond Beach that they didn't They didn't really know 128 00:06:47.079 --> 00:06:48.000 much more about him. 129 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:55.920 Now you talk about how they saw that his notice 130 00:06:55.920 --> 00:06:58.639 that his door was open one day and so they 131 00:06:58.720 --> 00:07:01.839 just went in to check on him. What did they 132 00:07:01.959 --> 00:07:05.560 find and what was their reaction? What did they find 133 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:07.360 that day and what did they do? 134 00:07:09.920 --> 00:07:15.319 Well, Rosemanssini, the woman had actually overheard the night before 135 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.519 some banging and she'd also heard my father yell at 136 00:07:18.560 --> 00:07:21.959 someone to get out of the apartment, and she had 137 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:26.319 broken up her husband Frank and said should we call 138 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:28.480 the police? And he said no, you know, it's none 139 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.399 of our business. And so the following morning, when Frank 140 00:07:31.519 --> 00:07:35.519 finally left the apartment, that afternoon, he walked by my 141 00:07:35.720 --> 00:07:40.079 dad's apartment and the door was cracked open, and he recalled, 142 00:07:40.639 --> 00:07:43.319 you know, the disturbance from the night before, and so 143 00:07:43.480 --> 00:07:46.279 he pushed open the door to check on him, and 144 00:07:46.480 --> 00:07:50.680 he saw my father lying on his back with blood 145 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:54.160 all around his head in the dining room, and he 146 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.120 went back to his apartment, called nine one one. 147 00:08:00.120 --> 00:08:05.759 About the officers Reynolds and Walsh. They show up. They 148 00:08:06.160 --> 00:08:08.759 have this report from these neighbors, so they're not sure 149 00:08:08.800 --> 00:08:10.800 if the perpetrator is still there, so they do the 150 00:08:10.879 --> 00:08:14.959 cautionary method of going through and checking if anyone's still there. 151 00:08:16.040 --> 00:08:19.600 What do they find initially? You talk about all the 152 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:23.120 things that they do see initially. What do they see 153 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:29.519 as they come into this as it were a crime scene, Well. 154 00:08:29.399 --> 00:08:32.159 The crime scene was pretty scattered throughout the apartment. It 155 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:34.679 was a small apartment. I had actually never seen it 156 00:08:34.840 --> 00:08:36.840 because I was living in California and my dad had 157 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:38.840 only been there a month. It was just a one 158 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:42.159 bedroom apartment. But when they came in, you could they 159 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:44.279 could see my father's body on the floor of the 160 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:48.720 dining room, the carpet was wet. The faucet was still 161 00:08:48.840 --> 00:08:51.840 running in the bathtub from the bathroom, so that the 162 00:08:51.960 --> 00:08:55.600 water the bathtub had overflowed down the hall and into 163 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.600 the dining room. Upon further inspection, they found blood in 164 00:08:59.639 --> 00:09:03.000 the kitchen counter. The cabinets in the kitchen were opened, 165 00:09:03.240 --> 00:09:06.759 the bleach was out, the clorox bottle was actually floating 166 00:09:06.799 --> 00:09:11.279 in the tub, along with a gold lamp base, and 167 00:09:12.919 --> 00:09:16.159 the top sheet of the bed and the pellowcases and 168 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:19.799 the pillows, and then when they went into the bedroom 169 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:23.759 that was an absolute mess. There was obviously a violent 170 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:27.039 scruggle struggle there had occurred because the door jam was 171 00:09:27.120 --> 00:09:32.279 broken and the closet door was pushed in. There was 172 00:09:32.399 --> 00:09:34.279 blood on a shirt hanging in the closet. 173 00:09:34.399 --> 00:09:34.720 There was. 174 00:09:36.480 --> 00:09:39.200 Quite a bit of blood on the bed. The fitted 175 00:09:39.279 --> 00:09:43.759 sheet was still on the bed, and the lamp base 176 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:46.360 had been you know, pulled out of the wall, and 177 00:09:46.639 --> 00:09:49.320 the court had been cut in half. So what the 178 00:09:49.399 --> 00:09:53.080 detectives assumed later was that the light had gone off 179 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:55.600 in the room and so that the killer didn't realize 180 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:57.960 fitted sheet was still on the bed, it was bloody, 181 00:09:58.720 --> 00:10:00.919 and so he just stripped the top sheet off and 182 00:10:00.960 --> 00:10:02.720 put it in the in the water in the bathtub 183 00:10:02.759 --> 00:10:05.279 and put bleach in there. But it didn't really do 184 00:10:05.320 --> 00:10:07.360 a lot of good because the top sheet or the 185 00:10:07.440 --> 00:10:09.320 fish sheet was still on the bed. And there are 186 00:10:09.399 --> 00:10:12.279 coins all over the room. You know, things have been 187 00:10:12.360 --> 00:10:19.120 knocked over, VCR and two VCRs in a stereo were missing, 188 00:10:19.759 --> 00:10:22.039 that the speakers had been left behind from the stereo. 189 00:10:26.120 --> 00:10:31.279 You also talk about something even more valuable stolen that 190 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:35.080 they notice, maybe not initially, but they noticed missing. 191 00:10:38.200 --> 00:10:43.039 Well, his watch was gone, they noticed later, said the 192 00:10:43.159 --> 00:10:45.480 tan line. Know he's living in Florida where it's quite 193 00:10:45.600 --> 00:10:48.559 hot and sunny, so quite a tan line where the 194 00:10:48.679 --> 00:10:51.879 watch used to be. My dad always wore that gold watch. 195 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:53.679 He'd had it, you know since as long as I 196 00:10:53.759 --> 00:10:54.240 can remember. 197 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:59.799 And it was gone, was gone, yes, And Akira ninety 198 00:11:00.600 --> 00:11:05.559 Kira right. You talk about the homicide detectives that are 199 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:08.759 crucial to this story too, coming on the scene here 200 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:15.120 and being involved initially, Steve Venetucci and Daniel Boland, and 201 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:19.559 you talk about them taking over this case here initially. 202 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.240 You talk about Venetucci at the crime scene picking up 203 00:11:24.240 --> 00:11:26.000 a photo album. Tell us a little bit about this 204 00:11:26.120 --> 00:11:29.080 photo album and what he finds and again what does 205 00:11:29.159 --> 00:11:29.600 this lead to? 206 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.480 Well, my dad had always been a big picture taker. 207 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:39.159 He had taken me to Disneyland and my daughter. I 208 00:11:39.240 --> 00:11:43.440 have an older daughter. He take it, you know, many 209 00:11:43.480 --> 00:11:46.240 times to Disneyland and took him, you know, dozens of photos. 210 00:11:46.279 --> 00:11:48.240 So he had to get photo albums with hundreds of 211 00:11:48.279 --> 00:11:53.639 photos in there of us and a birthday card that 212 00:11:53.759 --> 00:11:56.000 I had sent him, at least one was in the 213 00:11:56.080 --> 00:11:57.879 back of the photo album and they can see that, 214 00:11:58.600 --> 00:12:01.240 you know, I'd written happy for they. Dad loved any 215 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:04.240 so they knew that I was around, that he had 216 00:12:04.279 --> 00:12:05.679 a daughter, and that they were going to have to 217 00:12:05.799 --> 00:12:09.720 notify me of this murder. But they when they found 218 00:12:09.759 --> 00:12:11.480 out I was in California, they didn't want to do 219 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:13.559 it over the phone. They really wanted it to be 220 00:12:13.639 --> 00:12:16.720 done in person because they figure the whole story would 221 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:18.039 be quite traumatic for me. 222 00:12:18.159 --> 00:12:23.399 And it was you talk about too initially the stabbing 223 00:12:23.519 --> 00:12:27.639 inside this senior complex. You talk about a paper called 224 00:12:27.639 --> 00:12:33.639 The Coastal Observer. What was the reaction. How frightened were 225 00:12:33.679 --> 00:12:36.240 the neighbors about this? How big a deal was this? 226 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:40.600 Well, very because if you can imagine, they were all 227 00:12:40.720 --> 00:12:44.919 elderly neighbors, and they were used to the ambulance showing 228 00:12:45.039 --> 00:12:50.679 up probably weekly in the complex, you know, for respiratory 229 00:12:50.720 --> 00:12:55.000 failure or heart attacks, but not murder. And it was 230 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:58.039 normally a quiet town and a quiet community, and so 231 00:12:58.200 --> 00:13:01.679 they were, you know, quite scared heard and they had 232 00:13:02.320 --> 00:13:05.919 you know, neighborhood watch meetings after that, and you know, 233 00:13:05.960 --> 00:13:08.759 would keep their blind shut and call the police to 234 00:13:10.039 --> 00:13:13.480 make rounds more often. So it shook up the community 235 00:13:13.600 --> 00:13:14.000 quite a bit. 236 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:19.000 You talk about your father, Wes Wallace at that time, 237 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:21.440 he's six foot, two hundred and fifty pounds and he 238 00:13:21.559 --> 00:13:27.360 loved to eat. And there was some investigation right away 239 00:13:27.559 --> 00:13:29.679 that there was some talk of that he had went 240 00:13:29.759 --> 00:13:32.559 to a church to ask a twenty two year old 241 00:13:32.639 --> 00:13:35.320 male who had been sleeping in the church if he 242 00:13:35.399 --> 00:13:38.320 wanted to a place to stay. Tell us a little 243 00:13:38.360 --> 00:13:44.840 bit about what police find initially before they contact you 244 00:13:45.000 --> 00:13:48.759 and give you the horrible news. How do they proceed 245 00:13:48.879 --> 00:13:51.639 with the investigation to find out who may have done this? 246 00:13:51.879 --> 00:13:52.519 How do they do that? 247 00:13:54.879 --> 00:13:59.600 Well, they figured that it was probably a man because 248 00:14:00.240 --> 00:14:01.840 there was a struggle on the bed, there was blood 249 00:14:01.879 --> 00:14:04.879 on the bed. My father had quite a large collection 250 00:14:05.120 --> 00:14:08.960 of homosexual pornography in the closet, which I had never seen. 251 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:15.879 I wasn't aware of it, and they figured it was 252 00:14:16.159 --> 00:14:19.440 it was probably a stranger or a lover, but it 253 00:14:19.600 --> 00:14:23.879 was probably a man they were looking for. And when 254 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:27.200 they were when they started questioning witnesses, you know, his 255 00:14:27.320 --> 00:14:31.000 co workers and people that knew him, started to come 256 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.000 out a little bit about his lifestyle. Most most people 257 00:14:35.039 --> 00:14:39.279 on the surface didn't know about a sexuality, but some did, 258 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:41.200 and so that didn't eventually come out. 259 00:14:45.200 --> 00:14:48.200 You talk about later about the content of that pornography. 260 00:14:48.519 --> 00:14:53.960 What did the police find out in terms of any 261 00:14:54.039 --> 00:14:56.759 clues in terms of the content of the pornography was 262 00:14:56.799 --> 00:14:58.519 the nature of the pornography itself. 263 00:15:01.120 --> 00:15:03.759 The ones in the closet, there are about one hundred videos, 264 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:09.720 and quite a few of them had a master slave theme. 265 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:13.000 And when they went to the Triple X video store 266 00:15:13.039 --> 00:15:17.639 where he had bought the videos, the man behind the 267 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:20.519 counter preferred that, yes, he liked the slave and the 268 00:15:20.600 --> 00:15:25.639 master themes. Where there was you know, a man tied 269 00:15:25.759 --> 00:15:33.679 up so forth. So, and they also found some s 270 00:15:33.799 --> 00:15:36.399 and m gear I believe in his apartment. 271 00:15:38.480 --> 00:15:44.000 Right now. They also questioned everybody as they as they 272 00:15:44.039 --> 00:15:48.559 did their due diligence. They contacted a friend that goes 273 00:15:48.600 --> 00:15:52.399 through this entire story is his friend named Bill. And 274 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:56.639 again you say that they deduced pretty early on based 275 00:15:56.679 --> 00:16:00.200 on the pornography and talking to some people. But they 276 00:16:00.279 --> 00:16:04.519 do question people about whether there's he's was violence. They 277 00:16:04.840 --> 00:16:08.799 pursue all kinds of possibilities, don't they. So tell us 278 00:16:08.840 --> 00:16:11.799 a little bit about some of the interviews they have 279 00:16:12.200 --> 00:16:16.000 and what somebody like Bill had to say about your father. 280 00:16:19.120 --> 00:16:22.159 Bill is someone that I had grown up knowing as 281 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.799 a child. He had quite a nice house back in Greensboro, 282 00:16:26.279 --> 00:16:28.679 North Carolina, where my dad was from and where I 283 00:16:28.799 --> 00:16:34.360 was born. He was a clothing designer and he actually 284 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:38.159 had mannequins with his in the curved playglass windows of 285 00:16:38.240 --> 00:16:42.399 his home. He was quite eccentric. The place is very 286 00:16:42.519 --> 00:16:49.519 ornately decorated with brass and gothic themes. Bill had told 287 00:16:49.600 --> 00:16:52.080 him that he'd probably known him twenty years and that 288 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.200 he'd met him at a gay bar, and they used 289 00:16:55.200 --> 00:16:57.559 to host dinner for each other quite a bit. They 290 00:16:57.600 --> 00:17:01.320 were close friends, but he'd never known of him to 291 00:17:01.360 --> 00:17:06.200 be violent. He was quite shocked by his murder. 292 00:17:09.200 --> 00:17:13.920 They go on to interview every employee at the Rich Carlton. 293 00:17:14.359 --> 00:17:18.599 They have end up going and interviewing people in Greensboro, 294 00:17:19.160 --> 00:17:26.200 where he lived previous to the Osborne apartments. Tell us 295 00:17:26.240 --> 00:17:31.160 what they find out overall from talking to employees, What 296 00:17:31.359 --> 00:17:34.720 is the picture that they have in their mind before 297 00:17:34.759 --> 00:17:37.359 they even speak to you of who your father is 298 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:42.599 and what may have led at least a factor in 299 00:17:42.720 --> 00:17:43.200 his death. 300 00:17:46.039 --> 00:17:48.519 Well, they first began speaking to the employees he worked 301 00:17:48.559 --> 00:17:51.279 with at the Risk Carlton, and they don't know a 302 00:17:51.319 --> 00:17:55.079 whole lot about my dad, just more about his personality 303 00:17:55.160 --> 00:17:58.960 from working with him. But when they go to North Carolina, 304 00:17:59.039 --> 00:18:02.160 which they went there because they had a clue of 305 00:18:02.839 --> 00:18:05.559 the drug dealer that had sold drugs to the killer 306 00:18:06.119 --> 00:18:10.519 actually moved back there to Virginia. So they actually flew 307 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:14.559 to Virginia to get my father's duffel bag with his 308 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:17.839 name tag on it that the drug dealer had, And 309 00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:21.680 while they were there, they visited his friends in Greensburg. 310 00:18:21.759 --> 00:18:24.440 So it's only about three hours away. And these were 311 00:18:24.480 --> 00:18:26.400 friends that my dad had known for twenty or twenty 312 00:18:26.480 --> 00:18:30.079 five years, and I knew them all as well. One 313 00:18:30.200 --> 00:18:33.880 of them that he'd known the longest, his best friend, 314 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:40.400 confessed to the police that he knew that my father 315 00:18:40.480 --> 00:18:43.440 would pick up young men and that he would scold 316 00:18:43.559 --> 00:18:47.000 him about it, that it was dangerous. This was a 317 00:18:47.119 --> 00:18:50.759 highly educated man. I was a theater director at a 318 00:18:50.960 --> 00:18:54.960 large university in North Carolina, and he would tell my dad, 319 00:18:55.079 --> 00:18:58.119 you know, it's very dangerous to have these young men, 320 00:18:58.240 --> 00:19:00.559 you know, get in your car with you or take 321 00:19:00.599 --> 00:19:02.839 them back to your apartment. They can steal things, they 322 00:19:02.880 --> 00:19:05.559 can try and hurt you. And he said that my 323 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.960 dad had admitted to him that he would keep two wallets, 324 00:19:10.640 --> 00:19:13.920 one with very little money in it and the other 325 00:19:14.160 --> 00:19:16.480 with his money and credit cards and driver's license. He 326 00:19:16.559 --> 00:19:20.119 would hide, and so when it came time to pay 327 00:19:21.079 --> 00:19:25.160 the young man, he would just have that wallet with 328 00:19:25.319 --> 00:19:27.400 very little or no money on it, so that they 329 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:33.359 couldn't get any money. So the vectors kind of were 330 00:19:33.400 --> 00:19:36.160 forming a picture that my father was hustling the hustlers. 331 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:44.319 You also talk about alcohol being a big issue in this, 332 00:19:44.960 --> 00:19:47.640 in your father's life and obviously in your life as well. 333 00:19:47.720 --> 00:19:52.839 In terms of that effect, Let's talk now about your 334 00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:55.359 life with your father, who your father was to you 335 00:19:55.559 --> 00:19:58.480 despite again as we alluded to, and here the secrets 336 00:19:58.519 --> 00:20:01.160 that you find out the double life that your father leads. 337 00:20:02.000 --> 00:20:05.839 Who was your father to you as a young girl 338 00:20:05.880 --> 00:20:06.599 and only child. 339 00:20:07.039 --> 00:20:10.119 My dad was someone who loved me more than anything. 340 00:20:12.200 --> 00:20:12.400 You know. 341 00:20:12.920 --> 00:20:14.680 To me, he was a great dad. I mean, he 342 00:20:14.799 --> 00:20:19.480 had quite a few flaws, but I always knew I 343 00:20:19.599 --> 00:20:22.720 was very, very loved. He did all kinds of things 344 00:20:22.759 --> 00:20:25.839 with me, took me, you know, emerald mining and panning 345 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:30.960 for gold and camping in the mountains, and but through 346 00:20:31.039 --> 00:20:33.839 a lot of those years he was a chronic alcoholic. 347 00:20:35.279 --> 00:20:36.880 But he would still wake up in the morning with 348 00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:40.920 a hangover and take me for tennis lessons or take 349 00:20:41.000 --> 00:20:45.519 me to movies, and so he was kind of my hero. 350 00:20:46.440 --> 00:20:48.079 But he could also be very dangerous. Getting in the 351 00:20:48.119 --> 00:20:50.519 car with him at night was very dangerous, very scary. 352 00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:54.359 He also had me drive at twelve one time when 353 00:20:54.400 --> 00:20:56.640 he was too drunk to drive, and we were in 354 00:20:56.720 --> 00:20:59.480 the mountains, and it was I was terrified because I 355 00:20:59.720 --> 00:21:02.319 didn't had to drive, and he had me sitting on 356 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.559 pillows and I almost went off the edge of the 357 00:21:04.599 --> 00:21:08.240 mountain and he slammed on the on the break with 358 00:21:08.359 --> 00:21:08.799 his foot. 359 00:21:11.559 --> 00:21:12.079 So it was. 360 00:21:13.720 --> 00:21:17.119 It was kind of a mixed feeling that I had 361 00:21:17.160 --> 00:21:19.119 with him. I was quite scared to be alone with them. 362 00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:21.160 A lot of times, you know, they go camping alone 363 00:21:21.160 --> 00:21:25.039 with him without a friend because of you know how 364 00:21:25.119 --> 00:21:29.079 drunk he would get. But then you know, there was 365 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:33.880 a great love that he had for me, and. 366 00:21:34.000 --> 00:21:37.640 At the time there was nothing irresponsible. Well, I mean 367 00:21:37.880 --> 00:21:40.400 I shouldn't say that that the drinkings irresponsible, but in 368 00:21:40.559 --> 00:21:43.559 terms of you didn't see any neglect and you didn't 369 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:48.440 see again this pensiont for the young boys. In retrospect later, 370 00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:52.720 after you've given details, then you can in retrospect say, 371 00:21:52.759 --> 00:21:55.359 well that makes sense now. But at the time there 372 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:59.000 was a dedication to you as a father, and this 373 00:21:59.279 --> 00:22:03.799 secret life remain secret, and you had no real idea. 374 00:22:06.279 --> 00:22:09.880 Now I didn't, but there were quite a few young 375 00:22:10.000 --> 00:22:13.759 men in his life, But to me, it was always 376 00:22:13.799 --> 00:22:17.720 in the context of him sponsoring these young men in 377 00:22:17.799 --> 00:22:21.839 AA and that's what he would tell me, and I 378 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:22.519 believed it. 379 00:22:24.920 --> 00:22:30.759 Certainly. When there's the autopsy on your father, they find 380 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:34.920 scratches on his face made with an edge of a 381 00:22:35.039 --> 00:22:36.799 tool and they don't know what that tool is, and 382 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:41.200 also bite wounds. So tell us a little bit about 383 00:22:41.559 --> 00:22:45.039 what they think is going on there, or just tell 384 00:22:45.119 --> 00:22:47.079 us a little bit more about this autopsy and what 385 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:49.119 it reveals to the police and what did he do 386 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:49.920 as a response. 387 00:22:52.799 --> 00:22:57.319 Well, from the autopsy, they could tell exactly how he 388 00:22:57.519 --> 00:22:59.599 died because there was quite a bit of blood on 389 00:22:59.640 --> 00:23:03.319 his so they couldn't really see until he was cleaned 390 00:23:03.359 --> 00:23:07.079 up of the autopsy that his jugular vein was nicked 391 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:13.279 with a dull steak knife. It came out later, but 392 00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:16.839 he wasn't his throat wasn't slit. It was just nicked, 393 00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:20.920 and it actually nicked and he bled out. And it 394 00:23:21.039 --> 00:23:25.400 was also bite marks on his wrist. And what they 395 00:23:25.519 --> 00:23:30.079 determined from the bite marks was that the mandibular marks 396 00:23:30.119 --> 00:23:32.440 I believe was the top of the teeth had bitten 397 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:36.640 down harder than the bottom. And the reason for that, 398 00:23:37.359 --> 00:23:43.400 the medical examiner said, was that something or someone would 399 00:23:43.440 --> 00:23:47.839 have had to be pushing down on the killer's head 400 00:23:48.079 --> 00:23:50.359 for that to happen that way, where the top teeth 401 00:23:50.759 --> 00:23:53.400