Speaker 1: I had a friend that sent me a text message.
Speaker 1: He said, Perry, can you give me a call? I
Speaker 1: have some information that has come to my attention. There
Speaker 1: were a large number of pastors that had been invited
Speaker 1: to go to a certain state to hear some men
Speaker 1: in the United States government and others share with them
Speaker 1: a concern that they had. He said, Perry, what they're
Speaker 1: about to release From what we're hearing, there's going to
Speaker 1: be a release concerning aliens and concerning unidentified flying object
Speaker 1: spacecraft that some of the people who were in the
Speaker 1: meeting were telling us as pastors, you need to prepare
Speaker 1: your people and you need to get ready to answer
Speaker 1: them for what you're about to hear being released. And
Speaker 1: some of it has to do with crafts that have
Speaker 1: been discovered that are not allegedly a part of our planet,
Speaker 1: and the materials they're made of are not a part
Speaker 1: of our planet. Very strange reptilian looking creatures and other
Speaker 1: things that almost sound like something out of a sci
Speaker 1: fi movie or an Orson Wells book.
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Liberty Lockdown. This is Clint Russell. I
Speaker 2: just got back from New York doing Julian Dory's show,
Speaker 2: and it was great. We went incredibly deep and I
Speaker 2: think you guys are going to love it. This is
Speaker 2: a relatively new story that has been catching fire over
Speaker 2: the past week or so, and that's dozens of Christian
Speaker 2: pastors throughout America have come public or come forward in
Speaker 2: the public saying that they have been advised by members
Speaker 2: of the federal government. I don't know which agency that
Speaker 2: there is disclosures coming. This is also confirmed by Anapoli
Speaker 2: La Luna.
Speaker 3: The inter dimensional beings is what are witnesses will call
Speaker 3: these things. I have seen evidence in a skiff that
Speaker 3: leads me to believe there are things we cannot explain,
Speaker 3: and I have observed things that are of non human
Speaker 3: origin and creation. There has been a declassification order from
Speaker 3: the president and you will see as soon as that
Speaker 3: stuff comes out.
Speaker 2: Donald Trump has talked about it. You've had other members
Speaker 2: of Trump's cabinet that have talked about it that there
Speaker 2: are going to be major disclosures when it comes to UAPs, aliens,
Speaker 2: all sorts of you know, extraterrestrial or perhaps interdimensional beings, demons.
Speaker 2: We don't really know. But the psyop is in full
Speaker 2: effect because the first people they're going to is to
Speaker 2: talk to Christian pastors. I'm guessing evangelical Christian pastors in
Speaker 2: the South to prepare their congregation to handle this news.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to pretend to no definitively whether or
Speaker 2: not Congressman Luna is telling the truth here, but I
Speaker 2: will say, just thinking logically, that you had a years
Speaker 2: long campaign to provide US disclosures and transparency when it
Speaker 2: came to the Epstein case that didn't happen. Now you
Speaker 2: have a very unpopular war that's being waged in Iran,
Speaker 2: and suddenly there's going to be a mass disclosure campaign
Speaker 2: for UAPs interdimensional beings, and it's all coinciding with the
Speaker 2: lowest approval ratings Donald Trump has ever had. And it just,
Speaker 2: if I'm being totally blunt with you, feels like a
Speaker 2: massive siop. It feels like a distraction. And I know
Speaker 2: this is a very popular thing to say that everything's
Speaker 2: a distraction, nothing is mean. This just feels very empty
Speaker 2: to me. And the reason I feel that way, other
Speaker 2: than all of the other reasons I just laid out,
Speaker 2: is because there has been obvious investigations from our government
Speaker 2: into UAPs and unidentified vehicles that they could not source
Speaker 2: the origin of for seventy five plus years. So the
Speaker 2: question you should be asking yourself anytime the government pretends
Speaker 2: it's about to tell you the truth is why, and
Speaker 2: more importantly, why now? Why are you going to tell
Speaker 2: us the truth now? Why did you lie to us
Speaker 2: for an entire human beings lifetime eighty plus years and
Speaker 2: now suddenly you're going to tell us the truth? Why now? Well,
Speaker 2: my buddy Liam McCollum found a clip of Paul Krugman,
Speaker 2: the vaunted New York Times economist, total idiot, Keynsian nonsense,
Speaker 2: but this is what he had to say about fifteen
Speaker 2: years ago.
Speaker 5: It's very hard to get inflation in a depressed economy.
Speaker 5: But if you had a program of government spending plus
Speaker 5: an expansionary policy by the Fed, you could get that.
Speaker 5: So if you think about using all of these things together,
Speaker 5: you could accomplish you a great deal. I mean, we
Speaker 5: if we discovered that, you know, space aliens were playing
Speaker 5: to attack and we needed a massive build up to
Speaker 5: counter the space alien threat, and really inflation and budget
Speaker 5: defts just took secondary place to that this slump would
Speaker 5: be over in eighteen months. And then if we discovered whoops,
Speaker 5: we made a mistake.
Speaker 2: There aren't actually any fas better what your sign.
Speaker 5: No, there was a Twilight Zone episode like this which
Speaker 5: scientists fake us the alien threat in order to achieve
Speaker 5: world peace. Well, this time we don't need it. We
Speaker 5: needed in order to get some fiscal stimulus.
Speaker 2: So, as you can tell, this is an idea that
Speaker 2: has been around for quite some time. In fact, there
Speaker 2: was a researcher named Surgemannast who released what was called
Speaker 2: the Project Bluebeam files in nineteen ninety four, which claims,
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's been confirmed, but it's certainly
Speaker 2: been denied by the government, but claims that there was
Speaker 2: a plan at the highest levels of the United States
Speaker 2: federal government to stage essentially an alien invasion by which
Speaker 2: you could acquire and accumulate more power and wealth and
Speaker 2: resources for the government while all of the people, the peons,
Speaker 2: are fearful. The timing is also interesting in that we
Speaker 2: have oil prices which are over one hundred dollars a
Speaker 2: barrel and have the potential to go much higher, very
Speaker 2: rapidly if we don't get the straight up hor moose
Speaker 2: situation under control. So if you were sitting on an
Speaker 2: old time record high stock market, which we are, and
Speaker 2: you had the primary resource which maintains the global economy,
Speaker 2: which is oil feed, to skyrocket because of your misguided,
Speaker 2: insane war against Iran, and you needed to unleash a
Speaker 2: stimulus package to prevent a recession. Well, I'm just saying it's.
Speaker 6: In fact, I had the head of one of the
Speaker 6: big five banks in my office yesterday going through the
Speaker 6: credit card data, and just as Secretary Bessince said, credit
Speaker 6: card spending is through the roof. They're spending more on gasoline,
Speaker 6: but they're spending more on everything else too.
Speaker 2: That's Kevin Hassett, the director of the National Economic Council,
Speaker 2: saying that apparently the economy is booming, and his evidence
Speaker 2: for that is that credit card spending is skyrocketing. Well,
Speaker 2: last I checked, that's not exactly an indicator of a
Speaker 2: healthy economic model. You have people borrowing on debt, much
Speaker 2: less borrowing on the most expensive form of debt, which
Speaker 2: is credit cards, with interest rates north of twenty percent.
Speaker 2: I think that would be more indicative of a recession
Speaker 2: or of struggling consumers than it is of a strong
Speaker 2: consumer base. Fox sus alert.
Speaker 7: The President says, based on the request of Pakistan and
Speaker 7: other countries, we have mutually agreed that while the blockade
Speaker 7: will remain in full force and effect, Project Freedom will
Speaker 7: be paused for a short period of time to see
Speaker 7: whether or not the agreement can be finalized and signed.
Speaker 7: We suspect the President is letting the Iranians save face.
Speaker 2: So while you have the hacks over at Fox News
Speaker 2: carrying water for Trump when it comes to this disastrous
Speaker 2: war against Iran and arguing that the entire reason he's
Speaker 2: doing everything he's doing now is to allow the Iranians
Speaker 2: to save face, whereas I think a more rational read
Speaker 2: of things is that he has bluffed and blustered and
Speaker 2: tried to get them to cow to his demands, which
Speaker 2: are completely absurd. They have rejected those demands, and now
Speaker 2: we are in a stalemate, stalemate that could be catastrophic
Speaker 2: if we don't come to the peace negotiation here soon.
Speaker 2: And if you think being too harsh on Trump when
Speaker 2: I talk about the around war, let's remind you what
Speaker 2: Donald Trump himself said about Middle Eastern wars in two
Speaker 2: thousand and eight and what should be done to presidents
Speaker 2: that get us into them.
Speaker 8: I was surprised that she didn't do more in terms
Speaker 8: of Bush and going after Bush. It was almost it
Speaker 8: just seemed like she was going to really look to
Speaker 8: impeach Bush and get him out of office, which personally,
Speaker 8: I think would have been a wonderful thing.
Speaker 9: Absolute for the war, for the war, because of the
Speaker 9: conduct war we lied. He got us into the war
Speaker 9: with lies. Bush got us into this horrible war with
Speaker 9: lies by lying, by saying they had weapons of mass destruction,
Speaker 9: by saying all sorts of things that turned out not
Speaker 9: to be true.
Speaker 2: That's Trump in two thousand and eight saying that if
Speaker 2: you lie us into a war, you should be impeached.
Speaker 2: In fact, he was calling for a Republican president to
Speaker 2: be impeached. And this is Donald Trump yesterday talking to
Speaker 2: elementary school kids.
Speaker 10: We just broke every record, and now we're going to
Speaker 10: take a hit because we have to make a journey
Speaker 10: down to Iran to take the nuclear weapon. They would
Speaker 10: have had a nuclear weapon within two weeks. Remember we
Speaker 10: sent that beautiful B two bomber in and we blew
Speaker 10: up their nuclear potential.
Speaker 11: It was obliterated for those that are not aware.
Speaker 10: So we would have had a and Iran with a
Speaker 10: nuclear weapon, and maybe we wouldn't all be here right now.
Speaker 10: I can tell you the Middle East would have been gone,
Speaker 10: Israel would have been gone, and they would have trained
Speaker 10: their sights on Europe first and then US because there's
Speaker 10: sick people. These are sick people, and we're not going
Speaker 10: to let lunatics have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2: Iran was two weeks away from nuking the Gulf coast, Israel,
Speaker 2: Europe just two weeks away, if not for Operation Midnight
Speaker 2: Hammer last summer, two weeks away. Is there any evidence
Speaker 2: that No, is there any evidence that that's false? Yeah,
Speaker 2: actually a lot. All of the American intelligence agencies said otherwise,
Speaker 2: all of them. They all said that they were not
Speaker 2: developing a nuclear weapon, They did not have a nuclear
Speaker 2: weapons program. And yes, while they were enriching uranium to
Speaker 2: higher levels that were a latent deterrent, shortening the window
Speaker 2: by which they could elevate to a nuclear weapons program
Speaker 2: and have a deliverable weapons system. But having medium or
Speaker 2: highly enriched uranium is not even close to having a
Speaker 2: functioning nuclear weapon, much less a deliverable one. To say
Speaker 2: that they were two weeks away from doing any of
Speaker 2: this is an obvious and overt lie, and Donald Trump
Speaker 2: himself has to know that, So I ask you, President Trump,
Speaker 2: should you be impeached for lying US into a war
Speaker 2: in the Middle East as you claimed about George Bush.
Speaker 12: The stock market's higher now than when we started this war.
Speaker 12: And I thought oil prices we'd go to two hundred,
Speaker 12: two hundred and fifty dollars. It's at one hundred dollars now,
Speaker 12: and I think you're surprised, and I'm surprised. But even
Speaker 12: if it went to two hundred, it would have been
Speaker 12: worth it.
Speaker 2: And now, thanks to the war, we have prices which
Speaker 2: are elevating pretty much across the board, certainly at the
Speaker 2: grocery store, certainly at the gas pump. And just so
Speaker 2: you understand, gas prices being a fundamental input of so
Speaker 2: many products, almost every product that you consume or use
Speaker 2: in your day to day life. The higher and the
Speaker 2: longer gas prices remain at these levels, the more and
Speaker 2: more price increases you will witness and experience and suffer under.
Speaker 2: And you have the sitting president of the United States
Speaker 2: mocking people who are upset with affordability. Affordability kind of
Speaker 2: being an armchair way of talking about inflation, price inflation.
Speaker 12: And the Democrats start screaming affordability. Affordability, they are the
Speaker 12: ones that costs the problem.
Speaker 11: I'll tell you one thing, one good line of bullshit.
Speaker 11: That's one thing I'll say about it. They are so bad.
Speaker 11: Prices are too high. Have just got there, But we
Speaker 11: brought his way down.
Speaker 12: They gave us tremendously high prices, and they'll give them
Speaker 12: to you again.
Speaker 2: They take over, which, despite his refutations to the contrary,
Speaker 2: was a product of his own policies. Yes, the Democrats
Speaker 2: did nothing to help with affordability, but it was Donald
Speaker 2: Trump who greenlit the astronomical spending bill and in the
Speaker 2: lockdown era of summer twenty twenty. So, as heartbreaking as
Speaker 2: it is for me to say, because it would sure
Speaker 2: be interesting and give me a ton of content to
Speaker 2: talk about when it comes to UAPs and alien invasions
Speaker 2: and interdimensional beings, I've got to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: My read as of now is that this is a distraction,
Speaker 2: This is probably going to be a psychological operation against us,
Speaker 2: and that you ought to be prepared accordingly. Now that
Speaker 2: being said, if they show me ironclad proof of little
Speaker 2: green men or demons entering our interdimensional space, well then
Speaker 2: I'll eat my words. But as of now, it looks
Speaker 2: as if you're trying to come up with any story
Speaker 2: to distract us from the overt lies and failures that
Speaker 2: you've delivered so far in the first year of your
Speaker 2: second term.
Speaker 13: So the point I'm making about the Israel people is
Speaker 13: like I'm gonna throw out my buddy. Clint Russell is
Speaker 13: a really great example. I have continually made the point
Speaker 13: that Israel dearrangement syndrome is when you associate Israel with
Speaker 13: things it is totally unrelated to, like the.
Speaker 4: Opiatessassination of JFK nine to eleven.
Speaker 13: Well, I'm not even getting you that story, because conspiracy
Speaker 13: theory is a conspiracy theories. No, I'm talking about the
Speaker 13: opiate trade in West Virginia. Okay, that's Israel de arrangement syndrome.
Speaker 2: Well, the Sackler family was Jewish.
Speaker 13: All right, and therein lies the issue that they find
Speaker 13: one morsel to connect the threads, even though the issue
Speaker 13: of opiates in West Virginia is more closely tied to China.
Speaker 2: So Tim Poole had Alex Stein on Tim kastey Rol
Speaker 2: last Friday, and I was again brought up and it's okay,
Speaker 2: I don't mind it at all. And he was just
Speaker 2: again clarifying that he when he talks about Israel arrangement syndrome,
Speaker 2: he's not talking about my camp. And I appreciate that,
Speaker 2: and I've acknowledged that that that's what he's doing the issue,
Speaker 2: and I'll just continue to make my points since we're
Speaker 2: making each other's points and we're kind of two ships
Speaker 2: crossing in the night. Is that if you're going to
Speaker 2: bring up Israel derangement syndrome when it comes to the
Speaker 2: zany people on my side of the fence who don't
Speaker 2: want us to have a relationship with Israel but they
Speaker 2: don't want it for what you feel are nonsensical reasons,
Speaker 2: well then you ought to also bring up the incredible
Speaker 2: derangement that exists within our political establishment. And that's from
Speaker 2: the pro side.
Speaker 14: Jd Vance told me on this show when he was
Speaker 14: a senator or running for vice president, I can't remember
Speaker 14: that nations have their own interests and they have to
Speaker 14: follow their own interests. We don't control is Israel doesn't
Speaker 14: control lives. At this point, I think it's an Israel's
Speaker 14: interest to act against Gen Ron in a way that
Speaker 14: blows up this deal.
Speaker 6: What do you think, well, yeah, I tend to agree.
Speaker 2: Now, I can show you infinity examples like that. But
Speaker 2: this is an important one because as Hugh Hewitt, who
Speaker 2: well he is a conservative political commentator and former I
Speaker 2: think Weekly standard kind of neo con walking ahead. He
Speaker 2: was also the Deputy Director and the General Council of
Speaker 2: Personal Management under Ronald Reagan. And what is he saying there.
Speaker 2: He's saying that he believes it's in Israel's best interests
Speaker 2: to undermine the current President of the United States in
Speaker 2: his efforts to end the war in Iran. And this
Speaker 2: is my point about this entire phenomenon, is that, well,
Speaker 2: there are critics of our relationship to Israel who may
Speaker 2: overstate things or go too far down conspiracy rabbit holes.
Speaker 2: That certainly happens. There are also very highly acclaimed and
Speaker 2: reputable in scare quotes, political commentariat, political even elected and
Speaker 2: appointed political figures, not to mention, almost all of our
Speaker 2: politicians that have this affinity, this derangement syndrome when it
Speaker 2: comes to being pro our relationship with Israel. And this
Speaker 2: is not just Fox News, and this is not just
Speaker 2: Ben Shapiro the Daily Wire, This is not just Lindsay
Speaker 2: grow and John McCain. This is not just the old
Speaker 2: Guard GOP. This is some of him and I as
Speaker 2: friends like Patrick Bett, David.
Speaker 15: Your number one move should be protect your border, not Ukraine.
Speaker 15: If you're saying let's worry about Ukraine, maybe it's number
Speaker 15: nine on the list, it ain't number one above the border.
Speaker 15: That is the most ludicrous argument I would ever make.
Speaker 15: Take care of America. Let me give this, then we
Speaker 15: take care of everybody.
Speaker 2: Why should America be supporting Israel? Then that's thousands of
Speaker 2: miles away.
Speaker 11: How much money are we given to Israel? Billions?
Speaker 15: How much money are we giving Israel? I'm curious, Go ahead,
Speaker 15: I'm curious, go ahead. Are we sending troops over there?
Speaker 15: Are we sending missiles over there?
Speaker 11: For your money?
Speaker 15: Are we giving to America Dome? We've given us as
Speaker 15: nineteen America America's billion dollars. We've given to them three
Speaker 15: billions towards the Dome.
Speaker 11: How much money are we giving them?
Speaker 2: Billions of dollars?
Speaker 11: Not comparable to what we give it to Ukraine in
Speaker 11: twelve months.
Speaker 2: The principle the same.
Speaker 11: You're doing it to help them defend themselves.
Speaker 15: No, it's not the part what Israel is striightly different
Speaker 15: because it's both strategic because there's only one country in
Speaker 15: Israel that has historically always been pro America and has been.
Speaker 11: An ally Israel.
Speaker 15: But Israel to us, a part of it is also
Speaker 15: loyalty due to our faith. Well, we need that country,
Speaker 15: especially what America was founded on Judaeo Christian That's a
Speaker 15: little bit deeper than that.
Speaker 2: And I don't bring this up to dunk on PbD
Speaker 2: or to dunk on Tim, but rather to make the
Speaker 2: overarching point that there is a derangement syndrome that goes
Speaker 2: both ways and this is just such an incredibly great
Speaker 2: example of that. For instance, what does PbD say there?
Speaker 2: He says that what makes Israel different is because of
Speaker 2: our Judeo Christian values. What he doesn't tell you is
Speaker 2: that eighty five percent of Ukrainians are Christians. Is the
Speaker 2: Judeo part of the Judeo Christian framework the more important
Speaker 2: part than the Christian part? Does that make any sense
Speaker 2: to anybody, especially PbD who is Christian. And just a reminder,
Speaker 2: I agree with PbD and Tim when it comes to
Speaker 2: the aid to Ukraine, the one hundred and seventy five
Speaker 2: billion that we gave to Ukraine in our proxy war
Speaker 2: against Russia, the two largest nuclear powers on Earth, the
Speaker 2: US and Russia, waging a hot proxy war was incredibly
Speaker 2: reckless and insane, so we all agreed on that. My
Speaker 2: whole point in all of this has been to ask
Speaker 2: you guys, repeatedly, to tell me why you don't feel
Speaker 2: the exact same way when it comes to the aid
Speaker 2: that we give to Israel. And as PbD tried to
Speaker 2: duck and dodge this topic by saying, well, have we
Speaker 2: given Israel even close to the amount of money that
Speaker 2: we've given to Ukraine, The answer is yes. I've done
Speaker 2: the research on it. It looks like we since Israel's inception
Speaker 2: forty eight, we've given them about one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five billion dollars. But that doesn't include the global war
Speaker 2: on terror, that doesn't include the war against Iran. So
Speaker 2: that means that we have given significantly more money to Israel,
Speaker 2: or spent more money on our relationship to Israel. Even
Speaker 2: if you believe that the broader global war on terror
Speaker 2: was not entirely about Israel but about I don't know,
Speaker 2: whatever military industrial complex angle you think was also being fulfilled,
Speaker 2: it is obviously true that it was largely to the
Speaker 2: benefit of Israel. And when you look at the Brown study,
Speaker 2: they say that the expenditures for the global War on
Speaker 2: Terror were approximately eight to nine trillion dollars eight nine
Speaker 2: trillion dollars on top of the one hundred and seventy
Speaker 2: five billion on top of the war in Iran. So
Speaker 2: I redelivered this question back to you PbD, and back
Speaker 2: to you tim my buddy. If we are in fact
Speaker 2: spending ten trillion dollars on our relationship to Israel, should
Speaker 2: you not be even more angry about our relationship to
Speaker 2: that country, just as you are rightfully, justifiably righteously when
Speaker 2: it comes to the one hundred and seventy five billion
Speaker 2: we gave to Ukraine, a nation filled with actual Christians.
Speaker 2: And to me, the answer is fairly obvious, and it's yes, yes,
Speaker 2: we ought to all be standing shoulders shoulder when when
Speaker 2: all three of us were saying no, not a penny
Speaker 2: more to the Ukrainians, regardless of the fact that they've
Speaker 2: got forty million Christians living there. That's their fight, that's
Speaker 2: their war, We're not doing it. The answer ought to
Speaker 2: be the same when it comes to Israel's demands that
Speaker 2: we continue to fight against Iran.
Speaker 16: It seems like the more you exhibit loyalty to Israel,
Speaker 16: the closer you are to the White House political operation.
Speaker 17: I'm no longer in Congress because I did not I
Speaker 17: did not bow in obedience to APAC and to the
Speaker 17: Zionists that control washing literally fully control Washington d C.
Speaker 17: I wouldn't take any of their money. I voted to
Speaker 17: defund American tax dollars going to Israel. I voted to
Speaker 17: release the Epsteine files, which is linked to Israel. And
Speaker 17: so yeah, you you you have a hard time existing
Speaker 17: or fighting for your political career if if you aren't
Speaker 17: part of that.
Speaker 2: Or you exhibit loyalty to Israel, it seems the closer
Speaker 2: you are to the White House political operation. That's that's
Speaker 2: what Tucker Carlson was asking MTG. Now, he was asking
Speaker 2: her that in terms of politicians at the elected level,
Speaker 2: the federal elected level. But my point is, I'm going
Speaker 2: to say this as gently as I possibly can. I
Speaker 2: believe that that same paradigm, that same phenomena exists when
Speaker 2: it comes to the political commentariat, just as it does
Speaker 2: for politicians. That the more favorable coverage you give to
Speaker 2: our relationship to Israel, the closer to the Trump administration
Speaker 2: you get to be. And I don't think it's drained
Speaker 2: to say so. I think it's obviously factually accurate. I mean,
Speaker 2: just look at how Donald Trump treats any of the press,
Speaker 2: any member of the press corps when it comes to
Speaker 2: them asking him a challenging question. And then think about
Speaker 2: all the people that he've kicked out of the White
Speaker 2: House Press briefing room. A lot of those same journalists
Speaker 2: have been the ones that asked hard hitting questions when
Speaker 2: it came to our relationship to Israel. Is it a coincidence?
Speaker 2: I would say probably not So. When I see people
Speaker 2: that I at least historically had generally agreed with, like
Speaker 2: Tempoole or PbD, suddenly, in my opinion, get off the
Speaker 2: same track that we had been on and it seems inexplicable, Well,
Speaker 2: I think this is the explication. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that it's a conscious decision. I don't know that it is,
Speaker 2: but I think it's fair to at least ask aloud.
Speaker 2: Is that the reason that you can't just hold the
Speaker 2: same principle when it comes to this relationship as you
Speaker 2: did when it came to the Ukraine situation seeing is
Speaker 2: that they are incredibly similar. Is it that you get
Speaker 2: additional benefit by having a positive relationship with the White
Speaker 2: House when it comes to I don't know, interviewing people
Speaker 2: in his cabinet, PAULSI or RFK Junior, or Trump himself
Speaker 2: or or jd Vance or down the line, or having
Speaker 2: your reporter in the White House press briefing room. Is
Speaker 2: this all kind of the price of admission? Is this
Speaker 2: the only way that you get to do what you
Speaker 2: want to be doing. And if the answer is yes,
Speaker 2: and you've decided to make that trade off, then so
Speaker 2: be it. But I don't think that you should be
Speaker 2: upset with us. For those of us that are unwilling
Speaker 2: to make that trade off, that just say, ain't worth it.
Speaker 2: I'm not going to play ball with these people, because
Speaker 2: I think that the principle applies uniformly that while we
Speaker 2: stare down the barrel of a forty trillion dollar national
Speaker 2: debt shotgun, that we're not going to play ball when
Speaker 2: it comes to foreign aid and endless militarism on behalf
Speaker 2: of our greatest ally or any ally. No, And you
Speaker 2: guys can sit back and pretend as if my camp
Speaker 2: and the Shapiro camps are making comparably compelling arguments on
Speaker 2: both sides of this debate, even though I don't believe that,
Speaker 2: you believe that because I don't think you actually believe that,
Speaker 2: because I think that arguments from the Shapiro camp are
Speaker 2: atrocious and misguided.
Speaker 18: To put it mildly, the easiest move for the United
Speaker 18: States to make right now would be to just blow
Speaker 18: up harg Island. Carg Island. You could do an amphibious
Speaker 18: operation there, it's a lot riskier, or it could just
Speaker 18: blow it up. And that means that Aron has no
Speaker 18: refinery capacity, and that means their economy is basically sung
Speaker 18: for the foreseeable future, which means the regime has no
Speaker 18: money to pay its own people.
Speaker 2: I mean, what Shapiro's doing there is arguing that the
Speaker 2: easiest thing we can do right now is to blow
Speaker 2: up carg Island, to blow up the oil exporting infrastructure
Speaker 2: for Iran, so that we could essentially strangulate their economy.
Speaker 2: But what he doesn't tell you is that what would
Speaker 2: Iran do. Obviously if we were to blow up carg Island,
Speaker 2: they would wipe out the desalinization plants. And all of
Speaker 2: the oil infrastructure when it comes to the Gulf coast states.
Speaker 2: And on top of that, they would undoubtedly permanently shut
Speaker 2: down the straight of hormones, which by the way, they
Speaker 2: don't need to have a real conventional military force to
Speaker 2: do so. They just need to have drones, which they
Speaker 2: have a plenty. So what paradigm would that create, Well,
Speaker 2: it would create gas over two hundred dollars a barrel,
Speaker 2: just absolutely strangulating the economy. And it would also I
Speaker 2: think it would be an existential world altering, if not
Speaker 2: ending event when it comes to the US dollars reserve status,
Speaker 2: if we were to permit that to trans inspire. So
Speaker 2: when Shapiro talks about it, do you think he's just
Speaker 2: being naive or do you think he's being extraordinarily calculating
Speaker 2: that he knows that if we could just blow up
Speaker 2: carg Island, that that would put us in a quagmire
Speaker 2: that we could not extricate ourselves from. Do you think
Speaker 2: he's arguing in good faith or do you think he's
Speaker 2: arguing on behalf of the country he actually owes his
Speaker 2: allegiance and loyalty too. I would argue it's the latter clearly.
Speaker 11: Everyone needs to think about it this way.
Speaker 19: If Iran had a nuclear weapon and they decided to
Speaker 19: close the straits and make our gas prices like nine
Speaker 19: dollars a gallon or eight dollars a gallon, we wouldn't
Speaker 19: be able to do anything about it because they have
Speaker 19: a nuclear weapon, and a nuclear armed Iran could do
Speaker 19: whatever they hell they want with the Straits and there's
Speaker 19: nothing anyone would be able to do about it. And
Speaker 19: that's one of the many reasons, apart from like the
Speaker 19: massive loss of life and a nuclear strike, why Iran
Speaker 19: can never have a nuclear weapon.
Speaker 2: That's Marco Rubio, or a secretary of State under Donald Trump,
Speaker 2: arguing that if we were not to do this war now,
Speaker 2: well then Iran would have got a nuclear weapon and
Speaker 2: they would have shut down the strait and there's nothing
Speaker 2: that we could have done about it, and nine dollars
Speaker 2: a gallon, there's just nothing we could have done about it.
Speaker 2: And people are responding to this from Rubio saying, look
Speaker 2: how presidential he is. This is this guy's the air
Speaker 2: Apparent twenty twenty eight. Here we come, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: are are we fucking are we watching the same TV screen?
Speaker 11: Here?
Speaker 2: Let's rattle off the lies. First off, donald Trump lied
Speaker 2: and said that we don't need the straight of hormones. Right,
Speaker 2: So Marco explain to me how if Donald Trump was
Speaker 2: telling the truth that them shutting down the Strait would
Speaker 2: also cause us to have eight or nine dollars a
Speaker 2: gallon gas in America, How is that possible? It seems
Speaker 2: kind of contradictory, doesn't it. He also says that if
Speaker 2: they had nuclear weapons, there'd be nothing we can do
Speaker 2: to reopen the Straight. Well, the Straight is closed right now.
Speaker 2: There doesn't appear to be anything we can do to
Speaker 2: reopen it right now. And they don't have a nuclear weapon,
Speaker 2: So really do they need a nuke to shut it
Speaker 2: down because it's shut down right now and they sure
Speaker 2: is shit don't have a nuke. And then the most
Speaker 2: glaring and obvious lie through omission of all is that
Speaker 2: he says, you know this, basically, we got to we
Speaker 2: gotta do this now because we got to get the
Speaker 2: stray open. The Strait was open. Even more insane than that,
Speaker 2: just two months ago, the Strait was open and eighty
Speaker 2: percent of all goods that were shipping through the Strait
Speaker 2: of hormones were being sold in US fucking dollars, the
Speaker 2: dollar reserve status and system was functioning. So I hope
Speaker 2: that Tim can understand why our camp gets so frustrated
Speaker 2: when we hear this constant rejoinder of Israel derangement syndrome.
Speaker 2: It's not that we feel as if you're applying it
Speaker 2: to us. You make very clear that you're not. It's
Speaker 2: that the derangement is so obviously on the pro Israel side.
Speaker 2: From Lindsey Graham saying that he doesn't stand with non
Speaker 2: interventionist Americans, he stands with Israel till he's dying breadth,
Speaker 2: and you have Ted Cruz saying that he basically the
Speaker 2: whole reason he's in the Senate is to uphold and
Speaker 2: defend our relationship to Israel. I mean, these are the
Speaker 2: deranged motherfuckers, and they never get the hatred that it
Speaker 2: seems as if maybe Ian Carroll or Nick Flint does received.
Speaker 2: It just seems nuts to me.
Speaker 16: It's hard for me to believe that he just sort
Speaker 16: of organically reached this place at the end of February
Speaker 16: is like, oh, I think it's a good idea. He
Speaker 16: did not think it was a good idea. Shutting down
Speaker 16: a fifth of the world's oil and gas. Of all people,
Speaker 16: Trump knows. That's bad.
Speaker 2: You said he's a hostage. Just now you told the
Speaker 2: BBC he's a slave to foreign interests.
Speaker 11: Correct.
Speaker 2: So I just want to ask you to be sort
Speaker 2: of explicit.
Speaker 16: I mean, Trump is being held hostage by whom, by
Speaker 16: Benjamin Yahoo and by his many advocates in the United States.
Speaker 16: And we know that not simply because Trump started the
Speaker 16: war on February twenty eighth, but because he couldn't get
Speaker 16: out of it.
Speaker 2: That's Tucker Carlson sitting down with The New York Times
Speaker 2: a couple of days ago, and he's I mean, he's
Speaker 2: alleging that all Trump is a hostage to be the
Speaker 2: Dan Yahoo. That's forbadam what he says. And now I've
Speaker 2: never heard Tim or PbD called Tucker derange. Maybe they have,
Speaker 2: I don't know, but my question to them would be,
Speaker 2: do you not take that seriously? Do you not sit
Speaker 2: back and go and ponder it deeply that maybe Tucker's
Speaker 2: telling the truth. I mean, let's remind ourselves. Tucker Carlson
Speaker 2: a year and a half ago not even was on
Speaker 2: the campaign trail for Donald Trump. He went to the
Speaker 2: mat to get Trump reelected. Do you think he wants
Speaker 2: to be saying that? Do you think it's pure opportunism?
Speaker 2: Is that your read or do you think that there's
Speaker 2: a chance that it's true. Do you think that the
Speaker 2: fact that Tucker is sacrificing his relationship and his proximity
Speaker 2: to power to come out and say these things might
Speaker 2: be indicative of courageous truth telling and not opportunism. Is
Speaker 2: that a possibility in your mind? And if it is,
Speaker 2: then what do you do with that information once you
Speaker 2: consider it as being a potential reality? How do you
Speaker 2: actually internalize that and then process that with the rest
Speaker 2: of your worldview. When it comes to all of your
Speaker 2: opposition being Israel deranged, not all, but a good chunk
Speaker 2: of your opposition being Israel deranged, do you not look
Speaker 2: at this and go, well, maybe they're not deranged. Maybe
Speaker 2: the president of the United States is actually a hostage
Speaker 2: of a foreign dignitary for foreign prime minister. And then
Speaker 2: when you line up all of the failures of Trump
Speaker 2: in round two and you look at all, right, who
Speaker 2: got what they wanted, who didn't get what they wanted?
Speaker 2: Do you not come to the same conclusion that the
Speaker 2: people in the camp that you do respect the Dave
Speaker 2: Smithian Scott Hortonian camp. Do you not say, maybe these
Speaker 2: guys have a really good point here, Maybe this is
Speaker 2: actually the proper read. And just in case you still
Speaker 2: doubt us, here's Scott Horden talking about the war in
Speaker 2: Iran fifteen years ago.
Speaker 4: A war with Iran would be a disaster. A war
Speaker 4: with Iran would mean the deaths of thousands of American
Speaker 4: soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan. Four thousand soldiers have died
Speaker 4: in the Iraq War. In order to install the Iranian's
Speaker 4: puppets from the Dawa party, they have said, if you
Speaker 4: bomb Iran, you're gonna have to start the war with
Speaker 4: us all over again, not to mention the fact that
Speaker 4: our soldiers are right there within missile range. Is also
Speaker 4: perfectly with the capability of the Iranians to close the
Speaker 4: Straits of Hormuz at the gates of the Persian Gulf
Speaker 4: and drive the cost of oil up over two hundred
Speaker 4: dollars a barrel, which would probably destroy what's left of
Speaker 4: the global economy, all for basically a policy that comes
Speaker 4: out of Tel Aviv.
Speaker 2: Again, I'll ask it's Scott Horden line is Dave Smith,
Speaker 2: line is Tucker Carlson line is MTG Line, is Thomas
Speaker 2: Massey line are all of the best members of our
Speaker 2: political establishment. Line are all of the best members of
Speaker 2: our political commentary at line. Now, you may think that
Speaker 2: I'm doing some sort of broad appeal to authority here.
Speaker 2: Let me revise that what I'm doing is a broad
Speaker 2: appeal to track record. The people who have had a
Speaker 2: good track record as opposed to the Lindsey Grahams and
Speaker 2: the John McCain's and the Ben Shapiros and the neo
Speaker 2: con warhawk lunatics and their track record, Who do you
Speaker 2: think that we should be listening to when it comes
Speaker 2: to both foreign policy and our relationship to Israel, And
Speaker 2: assessing that dynamic, I would argue that it's the group
Speaker 2: that I've already listed off. And I would also argue
Speaker 2: adamantly that the people who are suffering from derangement syndrome
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