WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.840 --> 00:00:04.879 Okay, Round two. Name something that's not boring. 2 00:00:05.080 --> 00:00:09.279 Laundry, a book club, computer solitaire. 3 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:15.439 Huh oh, sorry, we were looking for Chumba Casino. 4 00:00:15.759 --> 00:00:16.920 Chum, that's right. 5 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:20.039 Chumbucasino dot com as over one hundred casino style games. 6 00:00:20.160 --> 00:00:22.120 Join today and play for free for your chance to 7 00:00:22.120 --> 00:00:28.320 redeem some serious prizes. Chump chumbacasino dot com, novercessor by. 8 00:00:28.280 --> 00:00:30.239 Lot ete plus ters conditions of the bus website retails. 9 00:00:30.320 --> 00:00:32.119 Hey guys, it is Ryan. I'm not sure if you 10 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:33.840 know this about me, but I'm a bit of a 11 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:35.880 fun fanatic one. I can I like to work, but 12 00:00:35.920 --> 00:00:38.119 I like fun too. It's a thing. And now the 13 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:40.039 truth is out there, I can tell you about my 14 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:43.399 favorite place to have fun, Chumba Casino. They have hundreds 15 00:00:43.439 --> 00:00:46.039 of social casino style games to choose from, with new 16 00:00:46.079 --> 00:00:50.039 games released each week. You can play for free anytime, anywhere, 17 00:00:50.280 --> 00:00:53.000 and each day brings a new chance to collect daily bonuses. 18 00:00:53.119 --> 00:00:55.600 So join me and the fun. Sign up now at 19 00:00:55.679 --> 00:00:57.600 chumbacasino dot com. 20 00:00:57.640 --> 00:00:59.960 No verds necessary, d wherever by lost terms of it 21 00:01:00.200 --> 00:01:00.719 eighting plus. 22 00:01:01.840 --> 00:01:04.079 It is Ryan here, and I have a question for you. 23 00:01:04.319 --> 00:01:06.280 What do you do when you win? 24 00:01:06.680 --> 00:01:06.760 Like? 25 00:01:06.799 --> 00:01:10.000 Are you a fist pumper, a woo, a handclapper, a 26 00:01:10.040 --> 00:01:11.840 high fiver. I kind of like the high five. But 27 00:01:11.920 --> 00:01:13.560 if you want to hone in on those winning moves, 28 00:01:13.719 --> 00:01:16.879 check out Chumbuck Casino. At chumbacasino dot com, choose from 29 00:01:16.959 --> 00:01:19.560 hundreds of social casino style games for your chance to 30 00:01:19.599 --> 00:01:23.359 redeem serious cash prizes. There are new game releases weekly 31 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.319 plus free daily bonuses, so don't wait start having the 32 00:01:26.319 --> 00:01:29.079 most fun ever. At Chumbuck Casino dot com. 33 00:01:29.079 --> 00:01:32.000 Noburts ness every day repoid where everyboy lost the terms conditions. 34 00:01:31.680 --> 00:01:34.239 Eating plus Hello it is Ryan and we could all 35 00:01:34.319 --> 00:01:36.439 use an extra bright spot in our day, couldn't we 36 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:38.879 just to make up for things like sitting in traffic, 37 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:41.400 doing the dishes, counting or steps, you know, all the 38 00:01:41.480 --> 00:01:44.079 mundane stuff. That is why I'm such a big fan 39 00:01:44.120 --> 00:01:47.400 of Chumba Casino. Chumbuck Casino has all your favorite social 40 00:01:47.400 --> 00:01:51.079 casino style games you can play for free, anytime anywhere, 41 00:01:51.359 --> 00:01:54.200 with daily bonuses that ship bright in your day. Lowe 42 00:01:54.239 --> 00:01:57.000 actually a lot, so sign up now at Chumbuck Casino 43 00:01:57.040 --> 00:01:59.560 dot com. That's Chumbuck Casino dot com. 44 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:02.120 Have an immediately where everybody lost the yarthin diff it's 45 00:02:02.159 --> 00:02:02.599 eating class. 46 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:15.520 You are now listening to True Murder, The most shocking 47 00:02:15.599 --> 00:02:18.639 killers in true crime history and the authors that have 48 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:26.000 written about them. Gasey, Bundy, Dahmer, The Nightstalker BTK. Every 49 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.680 week another fascinating author talking about the most shocking and 50 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:33.960 infamous killers in true crime history. True Murder with your 51 00:02:34.000 --> 00:02:37.240 host journalist and author Dan Zufanski. 52 00:02:46.840 --> 00:02:51.639 Good evening, A typical morning in the Atlanta suburbs. Businessman 53 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:55.520 Rusty Snyderman drops his beloved son off at the Dunwoodie 54 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:58.919 Prep Nursery. In the parking lot, a mini van pulls 55 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:01.719 up next to his car. The driver pulls out a 56 00:03:01.759 --> 00:03:06.159 gun and shoots Rusty four times in the chest. Sneiderman's 57 00:03:06.199 --> 00:03:10.039 devoted wife, Andrea is devastated by the crime. Who could 58 00:03:10.080 --> 00:03:12.599 have done this? She is shocked when police trace the 59 00:03:12.639 --> 00:03:15.680 shooting to a man named Henry Newman, who happens to 60 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.840 be Andreas adoring boss. The prosecution accuses Andrea and Henry 61 00:03:21.240 --> 00:03:24.840 Hemy of having a forbidden relationship and of conspiring to 62 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.919 collect two million dollars in her husband's life insurance, but 63 00:03:29.039 --> 00:03:32.039 Andreas sware she never intended to kill Rusty, and it 64 00:03:32.120 --> 00:03:35.919 is Hemy who is delusional and obsessed. With the charges 65 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:39.800 against her dropped and the insurance money frozen, Andrea remains 66 00:03:39.919 --> 00:03:43.439 a mysterious character. Only one other person, the man who 67 00:03:43.439 --> 00:03:46.879 pulled the trigger, knows the truth about what really happened. 68 00:03:47.319 --> 00:03:49.639 The book they are featuring this evening is Crazy for You, 69 00:03:50.000 --> 00:03:53.080 the true story of a family man's murder, a wife's secret, 70 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:56.840 and a deadly obsession with my special guest, journalist and author, 71 00:03:57.199 --> 00:03:59.919 Michael Fleemann. Welcome back to the program, and thank you, 72 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.960 thank you very much for agreeing to this interview. Michael 73 00:04:02.960 --> 00:04:06.280 Fleeman Thanks Dan, I'm yeah, happy to be here, Thank 74 00:04:06.360 --> 00:04:10.919 you very much. First off, tell us a little bit 75 00:04:10.919 --> 00:04:15.319 about set the stage with this Dunwoody village. Tell us 76 00:04:15.319 --> 00:04:17.720 a little bit about Dunwoody in this proximity to Atlanta 77 00:04:17.759 --> 00:04:19.920 and what kind of suburb is it really? 78 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:28.439 Yeah, I mean, Dunwoody is an upscale bedroom community just 79 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:33.199 on the Perimeter Loop, the freeway that runs around the 80 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:40.920 Atlanta area. It's a place of very quiet trees, expensive houses, 81 00:04:42.399 --> 00:04:47.800 you know, upper class, upper middle class families. You know, 82 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.160 it's a quiet, nice, nice community. 83 00:04:53.040 --> 00:04:58.879 Now you open this right away with incredible action just 84 00:04:58.920 --> 00:05:03.439 before nine am and November eighteenth, twenty ten, and you 85 00:05:03.519 --> 00:05:08.519 open with a silver Infinity G thirty five. It's a 86 00:05:08.560 --> 00:05:13.839 real nice car pulled into Dunwoody Village shopping center and 87 00:05:14.279 --> 00:05:17.160 in front of the wall of Dunwoody Prep pre School. 88 00:05:18.480 --> 00:05:23.240 And you talk about Russell Rusty snyderman thirty six years old, 89 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:26.319 and he's picking his three year old son up, or 90 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:28.480 his three year old son had been in the car seat, 91 00:05:28.639 --> 00:05:34.439 taking him to daycare. Tell us what happens shortly after. 92 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:40.920 Well, Rusty drops his son off at Dunwoodie Prep, very 93 00:05:40.959 --> 00:05:46.040 expensive prep school that's also a daycare center, and that 94 00:05:46.079 --> 00:05:48.600 should give you an idea of what kind of school 95 00:05:48.680 --> 00:05:51.360 it is. They're already thinking the college at age three. 96 00:05:51.439 --> 00:05:57.399 And he drops his son off and heads back toward 97 00:05:57.439 --> 00:06:02.160 the car, and just then a van pulls up, and 98 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:07.800 out of the van emerges a man. He's wearing a 99 00:06:07.839 --> 00:06:11.480 stocking cap, and as you mentioned in the outset, he 100 00:06:11.519 --> 00:06:15.600 shoots Rusty right there in the parking lot in the morning, 101 00:06:15.680 --> 00:06:18.720 quiet day four times, gets back in the van and 102 00:06:20.439 --> 00:06:26.680 takes off and disappears. And this is the kind of 103 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:31.319 thing that has never happened anywhere in dunwooth He much 104 00:06:31.399 --> 00:06:34.759 much less in front of a preschool, and the preschool 105 00:06:34.800 --> 00:06:37.199 is located in the shopping center, so the post office 106 00:06:37.199 --> 00:06:39.519 is nearby stores or neboy. Just right in the middle 107 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:42.399 of the morning this murder takes place. 108 00:06:45.959 --> 00:06:48.480 Now you talk about that there are various witnesses. Is 109 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:52.199 a Craig kol Meyer's some people heard the pops. They 110 00:06:52.399 --> 00:06:54.879 give a general description that he's about five foot nine 111 00:06:54.920 --> 00:06:59.319 to maybe five foot eleven. There's varying reports. There's a beard, 112 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:03.199 there's a be a mustache, and there's this description of 113 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:06.360 the silver minivan. What is the best lead that police 114 00:07:06.439 --> 00:07:12.319 have and what do they do with Rusty Snyderman immediately. 115 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:16.800 Well, they don't have a lot of good leads. In 116 00:07:16.839 --> 00:07:21.000 the beginning, Like you mentioned, the eyewitness accounts were kind 117 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:24.519 of all over the map. They did have one eyewitness 118 00:07:24.560 --> 00:07:27.160 who got a good enough look at the gunman to 119 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:32.839 provide a sketch kind of a swarthy looking man with 120 00:07:32.920 --> 00:07:39.560 a beard and a cap. But there isn't much, you know, 121 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.759 there isn't much in the very beginning, and in fact, 122 00:07:42.959 --> 00:07:46.480 the scene is you know, a little bit hysterical, because 123 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:52.279 not long after this happens, Rusty's wife, Andreas, shows up 124 00:07:52.319 --> 00:07:56.560 at the preschool and you know, she's she's out of control. 125 00:07:56.680 --> 00:07:59.439 She's screaming, she's crying, what happened to my husband? What's 126 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:01.600 going on here? And nobody would tell her. And so 127 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.240 you know, in the media aftermath of the shooting, of course, 128 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:07.360 there's all these children there and they have to worry 129 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:11.240 about the kids, and and so it's a rather chaotic 130 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:16.519 scene at first. And nobody got a really good look 131 00:08:17.279 --> 00:08:20.480 at the gunman, except to reveal that it's a man. 132 00:08:21.240 --> 00:08:24.079 But a lot of people did see the van and 133 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:27.319 and it looked like a later model Silver Mini van. 134 00:08:29.319 --> 00:08:35.600 Right now, how does how do paramedics and hospital staff 135 00:08:35.639 --> 00:08:39.600 deal with Rusty? What's the prognosi as soon as he 136 00:08:39.639 --> 00:08:43.679 gets there? And anything along the way that was interesting? 137 00:08:44.840 --> 00:08:47.000 After he was shot, Yeah, I. 138 00:08:46.919 --> 00:08:50.039 Mean, he's it looks pretty clear that he's dead. But 139 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:52.879 they take him, you know, to the emergency room anyway, 140 00:08:53.000 --> 00:08:57.639 and and uh work on him, and and you know 141 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:02.120 he's he's you know, he's the gunner. He's filled with 142 00:09:02.159 --> 00:09:06.639 these forty caliber slugs. We're talking a major gun shot 143 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:10.200 him and they were unable to revive him. And he's 144 00:09:10.240 --> 00:09:11.679 declared dead at the hospital. 145 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:18.000 Now you say that the police are on the way, 146 00:09:18.039 --> 00:09:22.000 they go to the crime scene. At first, there's some 147 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:26.320 misunderstanding and misdirected call. It was referred to as an 148 00:09:26.399 --> 00:09:29.399 arm robbery. But they finally get there. What do they 149 00:09:29.440 --> 00:09:33.279 find in terms of shellcasings or any kind of evidence 150 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:37.960 other than the big, huge pool of blood as you described, Well. 151 00:09:37.960 --> 00:09:40.399 They yeah, they have I'm trying to remember if they 152 00:09:40.399 --> 00:09:42.840 actually had the shell casings. You can help me out 153 00:09:42.840 --> 00:09:47.279 on this, but they basically they have a guy lying 154 00:09:47.360 --> 00:09:52.000 in a pool of blood, pumped full of shots, and 155 00:09:53.039 --> 00:09:58.480 you know, they have an aggrieved you know, new soon 156 00:09:58.519 --> 00:10:01.960 to be widow. They're trying to keep her away, you know, 157 00:10:02.320 --> 00:10:06.399 from the action and the scene. They're not telling or 158 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:10.679 anything because you know, frankly, nobody really knows too much 159 00:10:10.720 --> 00:10:13.960 about what's going on. And you know, she's screaming and 160 00:10:14.039 --> 00:10:17.360 yelling and and you know, they're just they're just really 161 00:10:17.360 --> 00:10:20.399 trying to contain things. But there's not a lot of 162 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:26.600 physical evidence to work with at the scene. 163 00:10:26.919 --> 00:10:29.759 Now, what is their procedure in terms of who do 164 00:10:29.840 --> 00:10:34.679 they talk to first? And who are the detectives involved? 165 00:10:34.759 --> 00:10:37.960 You talk about the Calb County, So who is involved 166 00:10:38.000 --> 00:10:42.159 in terms of jurisdiction here, and how do they proceed 167 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:43.399 who they speak to first. 168 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:50.360 Yeah, well, this is you know, Dunwoody is a unique community. 169 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.639 It's it'sn't actually it's not. It's part of the Calb County, 170 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:57.519 but it's not part of Atlanta. It is its own 171 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:03.919 little city. And there's some sort of socio economic issues 172 00:11:04.480 --> 00:11:11.360 at work here. Atlanta, which has large African American population, 173 00:11:12.639 --> 00:11:17.720 also has in places of the city crime. It's an 174 00:11:17.799 --> 00:11:26.200 urban center. Dunwoody is a very white community. It's also 175 00:11:26.320 --> 00:11:29.000 a community made up of a lot of they call them, 176 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:34.200 you know Yankees, Northerners who come to Atlanta, the Atlanta 177 00:11:34.279 --> 00:11:36.919 area to work at the big you know, Marietta ge 178 00:11:36.919 --> 00:11:42.159 work at the big corporations there, and they huddle in Dunwoody. 179 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:46.159 And so Dunwoody was recently incorporated, and it was sort 180 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:50.120 of incorporated. You know, people tap dance around the issue, 181 00:11:50.159 --> 00:11:53.279 but the fact is this is a white community of 182 00:11:53.399 --> 00:11:58.720 people who are very concerned about Hispanic and African American 183 00:12:00.399 --> 00:12:03.279 coming into their community, breaking into their cars, breaking into 184 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:07.679 their house. So the police department is very community oriented, 185 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:11.440 very responsive to the community, and most of what they 186 00:12:11.559 --> 00:12:16.600 deal with is crime from the outside as they call it. 187 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:22.159 And they're not set up, they're not attuned. The entire 188 00:12:22.519 --> 00:12:26.080 city was not even founded on the very vague possibility 189 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:32.759 that somebody within Dunwoody could commit a crime. So naturally, 190 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:36.799 in the very beginning, the mindset is, you know, who 191 00:12:36.879 --> 00:12:40.519 came into Dunwoodie and did this to Rusty Center, What 192 00:12:40.759 --> 00:12:44.440 sort of outside force could have happened? And so that 193 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:47.960 was the mindset from the beginning of the investigation. 194 00:12:51.200 --> 00:12:53.960 You talked, and this is a critical part of this 195 00:12:54.039 --> 00:12:59.600 book too. You say that when the school had called Andrea, 196 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:03.799 at first they didn't even tell her who was it involving. 197 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:07.440 She later said she just assumed, but give us the 198 00:13:07.480 --> 00:13:12.440 details of what she was told. And then a phone 199 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:17.159 call or phone calls that she made did the contrary. 200 00:13:17.279 --> 00:13:22.519 Yeah, this would be very critical later on Andrea, you know, 201 00:13:22.799 --> 00:13:26.080 was given and there's some dispute about who said what 202 00:13:26.240 --> 00:13:29.679 to whom, but most all of the witnesses are in 203 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.799 agreement that Andrea got only the sketchiest of information that 204 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:39.919 her husband was dead apparently violent act. Police are there, 205 00:13:40.080 --> 00:13:42.759 so she knows it wasn't, you know, heart attack or 206 00:13:43.480 --> 00:13:48.799 car accident or something a homicide. A detective sort of 207 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.639 talks to her briefly, so she can assume that her 208 00:13:51.679 --> 00:13:57.200 husband had been killed, but nobody, nobody claimed to have 209 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:02.639 told her how her husband was wounded. And keep in mind, 210 00:14:02.679 --> 00:14:04.759 in the beginning, he's only wounded, he's taken off to 211 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.919 the hospital. Nobody even tells her that he's all the dead. 212 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:11.720 She doesn't get the notification until hours later when she 213 00:14:11.799 --> 00:14:16.399 goes to the hospital. So in fact, she's so frustrated 214 00:14:16.759 --> 00:14:19.559 by the lack of information that she's lashing out of people. 215 00:14:19.799 --> 00:14:24.080 And for years later she's complaining about how nobody would 216 00:14:24.120 --> 00:14:26.360 tell her anything. No one would tell her anything, and 217 00:14:26.399 --> 00:14:28.879 she's the wife, and she, you know, demands to know, 218 00:14:28.919 --> 00:14:33.960 which is of course natural. Yet in some critical phone 219 00:14:34.039 --> 00:14:38.200 calls early on, including one to her father in law 220 00:14:38.279 --> 00:14:42.000 and one to her close friend, she says, and I 221 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:45.320 think to a coworker, she sent a text to all 222 00:14:45.360 --> 00:14:49.919 of them, she says, my husband has been shot. Yet 223 00:14:50.200 --> 00:14:55.000 nobody told her. Nobody told her that he'd been shot. 224 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:59.799 There was no obvious, uh, you know, gun evidence on 225 00:14:59.840 --> 00:15:02.960 the that she could see. He could have been beaten 226 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:05.600 to death, he could have been poisoned, he could any 227 00:15:05.720 --> 00:15:08.159 number of things could have happened. But she very clearly 228 00:15:08.200 --> 00:15:13.639 told several people. He had been shot. 229 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:18.360 Now, when I asked you about the shells, there was 230 00:15:18.440 --> 00:15:21.320 shells left, but they couldn't narrow it down. It's either 231 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.200 a forty caliber or forty four caliber, but ballistics couldn't 232 00:15:25.279 --> 00:15:28.679 narrow it down to make the model make out the 233 00:15:28.679 --> 00:15:31.120 model of the gun, much less where or when it 234 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:34.159 was purchased. So they did do an exhaustive search. But 235 00:15:35.240 --> 00:15:38.759 tell us about the van they had at least they 236 00:15:38.799 --> 00:15:43.720 thought more luck and again, very very interesting, how how 237 00:15:43.759 --> 00:15:45.320 much effort they put into this van. 238 00:15:46.440 --> 00:15:48.919 Yeah, you know there was and we'll talk about it later. 239 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.480 There was a lot of very bad police work done 240 00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:53.559 in this case. And Donewoodie, like I said, was not 241 00:15:53.679 --> 00:15:57.799 equipped to handle a high profile homicide. But there was 242 00:15:57.840 --> 00:16:00.480 a lot of good police work and a lot of 243 00:16:00.960 --> 00:16:04.360 real intrepid shoe leather police work, and this this fell 244 00:16:04.440 --> 00:16:09.440 under that category. They had the van, and you know, 245 00:16:09.519 --> 00:16:12.320 they asked around everybody that trying for who has this van? 246 00:16:12.360 --> 00:16:14.200 Who has his van? And it seemed like a needle 247 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:19.000 in a haystack. But there was some security footage. There's 248 00:16:19.039 --> 00:16:22.240 security cameras all over the preschool. Now, the security camers 249 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:25.799 did not capture the actual shooting, but it did get 250 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:31.080 footage of the van and in the In some of 251 00:16:31.120 --> 00:16:35.000 the still photos that were enhanced from the security video, 252 00:16:35.759 --> 00:16:37.759 one of the cops said, hang out, looks like a 253 00:16:37.960 --> 00:16:41.519 sticker on the windshield. And they talked about why would 254 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:44.000 there be a sticker on the windshield, and this one 255 00:16:44.039 --> 00:16:46.559 officer said, well, maybe it was. You know, like when 256 00:16:46.600 --> 00:16:49.440 you rent to rent a car at the airport or 257 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:51.840 the rental lot, isn't there a sticker that they put 258 00:16:51.840 --> 00:16:54.360 on the windshield, you know, the driver's side, to kind 259 00:16:54.360 --> 00:16:57.720 of scan the car in and out. And the more 260 00:16:57.759 --> 00:16:59.600 they looked at the more they said, yeah, that looks 261 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:05.759 like one of those rental car stickers. And first you 262 00:17:05.799 --> 00:17:08.519 have to get past the notion who on earth would 263 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.759 commit a murder in a rental car rental van. But 264 00:17:12.359 --> 00:17:14.359 that turned out to be a big lead, so they 265 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:20.359 were able to narrow the person driving the van from 266 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:25.519 every single conceivable silver van in the world to silver 267 00:17:25.680 --> 00:17:30.880 vans that had been rented around the time of the shooting, 268 00:17:31.759 --> 00:17:34.359 and as they looked at it more detail, it appeared 269 00:17:34.359 --> 00:17:36.519 to be a key of Sedona van had those kinds 270 00:17:36.559 --> 00:17:40.559 of marketings, so they were able to really narrow it 271 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:43.759 down just by happenstance, just by somebody thinking a little 272 00:17:43.759 --> 00:17:47.160 outside the box. And so this is where the real 273 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:51.839 detective work started. And they started calling, literally calling every 274 00:17:51.960 --> 00:17:57.079 rental agency in the area asking if anybody had rented 275 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:01.599 out a silver keya Sedona or symbol her fan around 276 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:02.599 the time of this shooting. 277 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:08.480 You talk about some police work that wasn't up the standard, 278 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:14.279 and you talk about just the politics of having basically 279 00:18:14.279 --> 00:18:18.880 your own police force, much different and much different treatment 280 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:22.960 of the citizens there, it seemed. You talk about the 281 00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:27.920 treatment of Andrea potentially as a suspect in this and 282 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:34.200 the sort of velvet glove treatment that she got as well. 283 00:18:34.359 --> 00:18:38.359 She was offering advice to the officers and they took 284 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:40.400 her up on that advice. So what did she say 285 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:44.039 to them? How was what was the content of what 286 00:18:44.119 --> 00:18:47.440 she had to say to them and her instructions as 287 00:18:47.440 --> 00:18:48.759 to the investigation. 288 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:55.240 Well, anybody with the most rudimentary knowledge of police work 289 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:58.720 knows that when somebody is killed, you start with the 290 00:18:58.759 --> 00:19:01.079 people closest to them. Then you work your way out 291 00:19:01.799 --> 00:19:05.240 in concentric circles. Not just murder, but I mean any crime, 292 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:09.799 because overwhelmingly you get killed by people you know who 293 00:19:09.880 --> 00:19:12.839 know you who are close to you, and the notion 294 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:16.079 of a complete stranger driving up to you and shooting 295 00:19:16.119 --> 00:19:20.240 you in a parking lot is not just doesn't happen. 296 00:19:20.319 --> 00:19:23.200 So in the case of a husband or a wife, 297 00:19:23.319 --> 00:19:28.559 you always always start with a spouse. They are the 298 00:19:28.799 --> 00:19:33.279 first person you have to eliminate. And you know, cops 299 00:19:33.279 --> 00:19:36.359 talk in terms of not suspects, but in terms of eliminations, 300 00:19:36.519 --> 00:19:40.640 everybody in the world is a suspect. Then you start 301 00:19:40.720 --> 00:19:45.319 eliminating people, and you have to start by eliminating those closes. 302 00:19:45.440 --> 00:19:49.400 So Andrew is the wife. They very carefully did not 303 00:19:49.440 --> 00:19:52.400 tell her anything in the beginning, but they do have 304 00:19:52.480 --> 00:19:55.000 to talk to her. And not only would they have 305 00:19:55.039 --> 00:19:58.119 to eliminate her, but you know, she would presumably know 306 00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.039 about enemies or problems or whatever, so she would also 307 00:20:01.079 --> 00:20:04.680 be the best witness to talk to. And a couple 308 00:20:04.759 --> 00:20:07.319 of detectives and a more seasoned detective and a younger 309 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:12.960 detective go to the Snyderman house, beautiful beautiful house in Dunwoodie. 310 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:15.359 Knock on the door, and I think it was Andrew's 311 00:20:15.440 --> 00:20:19.079 mom comes to the door and says, the cops say, 312 00:20:19.119 --> 00:20:21.359 you know, we want to talk to Andrea about miss Sneyderman, 313 00:20:21.519 --> 00:20:22.880 you know, sorry for your lost When I talked to 314 00:20:22.880 --> 00:20:26.559 her about her husband's murder, and the mom says, you know, 315 00:20:27.039 --> 00:20:30.920 come back tomorrow. She's not up to it, and the 316 00:20:30.960 --> 00:20:35.759 detective says, okay, I will. Now, if this had been 317 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:39.440 a young African American man from the inner City, I 318 00:20:39.480 --> 00:20:43.240 don't think he would have gotten that same deferential treatment. 319 00:20:43.920 --> 00:20:46.880 At least they would have pressed the matter a little bit. 320 00:20:47.599 --> 00:20:51.160 But they from the very beginning handled this thing with 321 00:20:51.279 --> 00:20:54.839 kid gloves. So they come back the next day, the 322 00:20:54.839 --> 00:20:59.240 two detectives, and that's when they talked to Andrea. Meanwhile, 323 00:20:59.279 --> 00:21:02.920 she's surrounded table by her family. Her brother was a lawyer. 324 00:21:04.839 --> 00:21:11.759 And again it's a very very deferential interview, not that 325 00:21:11.839 --> 00:21:17.200 it has to be antagonistic or adversarial, but you know, 326 00:21:17.480 --> 00:21:20.519 every cop knows that you have to eliminate the spouse. 327 00:21:20.640 --> 00:21:24.079 But they went into this, certainly, one of the detectives 328 00:21:24.119 --> 00:21:25.920 as if, look, you know, we can't we gotta be 329 00:21:26.000 --> 00:21:28.400 nice to her because this kind of thing just doesn't 330 00:21:28.440 --> 00:21:32.119 happen in Dounelody. And so you know, there wasn't a 331 00:21:32.160 --> 00:21:34.400 lot of attention paid to her from the very beginning. 332 00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:40.880 They eventually ask her for permission to search, and or 333 00:21:40.920 --> 00:21:45.079 they get search warrants and then they are they find 334 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:48.359 some a very very interesting document if you were looking 335 00:21:48.400 --> 00:21:53.640 for motive, potentially tell us about the life insurance policy 336 00:21:53.720 --> 00:21:54.279 that they found. 337 00:21:55.079 --> 00:21:58.599 Yeah, I mean, they do the usual due diligence and yeah, 338 00:21:58.680 --> 00:22:00.759 you know, Rusty's got a ton of life insurance. So 339 00:22:00.799 --> 00:22:02.640 I don't remember what is over a million dollars. I 340 00:22:02.680 --> 00:22:08.440 think it certainly certainly enough money, you know, to make 341 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:12.960 for a murder motive. At the same time, you know, 342 00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:17.880 these are people of means and you know, a large 343 00:22:17.880 --> 00:22:19.960 life insurance policy, and I think they both had life 344 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:25.599 insurance policies, so would not be that unusual. But you know, 345 00:22:25.680 --> 00:22:30.039 when you're talking a big, huge payout, you know you 346 00:22:30.440 --> 00:22:33.759 have to you really have to look at that. I 347 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:38.559 think more important what would prove more critical later on 348 00:22:39.720 --> 00:22:43.920 was what Andrea did and did not tell them. In 349 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:48.920 this deferential interview. They're talking to her and you know, 350 00:22:49.000 --> 00:22:52.160 they're asking her the usual questions, does he have any 351 00:22:52.240 --> 00:22:54.960 enemies and you know, anybody who might want to kill them? 352 00:22:55.000 --> 00:22:58.799 And and she says, well, you know, she starts throwing 353 00:22:58.839 --> 00:23:03.759 out some possibilities. Rusty was in finance. He worked at 354 00:23:03.799 --> 00:23:07.599 a at a company, and you know, they didn't part 355 00:23:07.640 --> 00:23:11.920 ways on particularly good terms, and she called the bosses 356 00:23:12.000 --> 00:23:15.000 a bunch of a holes, and you know, kind of 357 00:23:15.000 --> 00:23:19.400 pointed to that, you know, she mentioned kind of in casually, 358 00:23:19.440 --> 00:23:22.240 I think, like an exterminator had come by the house earlier, 359 00:23:22.359 --> 00:23:25.240 sort of thought, you know, that might be somebody. She 360 00:23:25.400 --> 00:23:29.799 mentioned that previous to that, Rusty had had stumbled onto 361 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:32.440 a guy who was sort of crouching behind the house 362 00:23:33.000 --> 00:23:36.240 by the air conditioning unit. She you know, she said 363 00:23:36.240 --> 00:23:38.039 it was a Mexican guy, you know, And that's kind 364 00:23:38.039 --> 00:23:42.839 of in Dunwoody code for you know, possible criminals, so 365 00:23:43.599 --> 00:23:47.039 you know, and and she's you know, sending them into 366 00:23:47.079 --> 00:23:52.640 these various investigative avenues. But at one point, and this 367 00:23:52.759 --> 00:23:55.000 is the most what would prove to be the most 368 00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:57.039 critical point of the interview, they started asking the sort 369 00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:59.720 of routine question, you know, any problems in your marriage? Now? 370 00:24:00.079 --> 00:24:04.400 Were very happily married, you know. They asked about their 371 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:08.160 sex life, and you know, everything's fine, and you know, 372 00:24:08.200 --> 00:24:10.279 did he have an affair? Now? I don't think he 373 00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.519 ever had any affairs. And then they asked her, well, 374 00:24:13.559 --> 00:24:21.039 has anybody ever expressed romantic interest in you. And Andrew got 375 00:24:21.039 --> 00:24:27.000 a little flustered and and she finally says, well, you know, 376 00:24:27.079 --> 00:24:28.200 and the cop said, well, do you want to talk 377 00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:30.160 about this privately, because keep mind her mom is there, 378 00:24:30.200 --> 00:24:33.279 brother's there. And Andrew's no, no, no, I'll talk about this. 379 00:24:33.400 --> 00:24:37.319 And she says, well, you know, my boss, my boss once, 380 00:24:37.960 --> 00:24:42.200 you know, expressed feelings for me, but I very quickly 381 00:24:42.279 --> 00:24:45.000 shot it down. I'm you know, I'm happily married and 382 00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.839 and we're very respectful after that. You know, It's just 383 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:50.880 one of those passing moments. And the mother jumped in 384 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:52.759 and said, yeah, you know, tell her, tell her you 385 00:24:52.759 --> 00:24:55.440 never reciprocated, right and Andrew, No, No, I didn't, mom, 386 00:24:55.480 --> 00:24:57.920 you know, I just happened. He's a very nice man. 387 00:24:59.279 --> 00:25:02.039 He expresses as I said, you know, this could not 388 00:25:02.119 --> 00:25:05.519 go both ways. I married and that was the end 389 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:09.279 of it. And unfortunately that was the end of it 390 00:25:09.319 --> 00:25:11.799 for a while because police did not follow up on that. 391 00:25:15.759 --> 00:25:20.079 You talk about that, they didn't have another official interview. 392 00:25:20.279 --> 00:25:21.920 It took a long time for them to have an 393 00:25:21.920 --> 00:25:27.680 interview at the police station. And that was very very interesting. 394 00:25:27.720 --> 00:25:30.200 So they took her advice and they went on and 395 00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.920 followed leads they put out the sketch and that generated 396 00:25:32.960 --> 00:25:37.079 some leads. They had to follow those to their logical conclusion. 397 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:41.480 What do they before we talk again about how they 398 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:46.920 eventually put this together with the again tracing it back 399 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:50.880 to the van rental, But in the interim, what is 400 00:25:50.920 --> 00:25:53.240 the investigation and where is it focused on? 401 00:25:54.440 --> 00:25:59.319