Speaker 1: You see, something's going to happen. What What's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: What I help? Welcome to the Occult Rejects this episode.
Speaker 2: We got a bunch of us here tonight. We got
Speaker 2: the occult reject mad scientist Lisa with us tonight. And
Speaker 2: then we also got the spiritual gangster herself. We got Teresa.
Speaker 2: We got my favorite garbage can do JJ Advance, and
Speaker 2: we got the one and only headless Giant we got him,
Speaker 2: and we got my boy magic Mike. Uh yeah, So
Speaker 2: we got a bunch of us here tonight, and we're
Speaker 2: gonna be talking on a topic that I think we
Speaker 2: are all interested in. And I have been hearing about
Speaker 2: how this guest that we have has been doing some
Speaker 2: amazing work on this book. Even a couple of people
Speaker 2: from this podcast has even said that they're really impressed
Speaker 2: with the work that she did on it. So I'm
Speaker 2: very excited to have her back on too. And it
Speaker 2: has been a long time since she's been on. So please,
Speaker 2: for all the new listeners that I've had since then,
Speaker 2: please let all of them know Julia, what is up
Speaker 2: with you and where they can find all of your work. Please.
Speaker 3: Hi, Yeah, thanks so much for having me. I think
Speaker 3: the last time I was on the Occult Reject so
Speaker 3: I still used to color in my eyebrows. So it's
Speaker 3: been a while.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: No, I have the Cosmic Speech podcast. I'm available wherever
Speaker 3: you listen to podcasts, and I think it's you know, Spotify, iTunes,
Speaker 3: just wherever you could just google it, something will pop up.
Speaker 3: You know, I don't have YouTube anymore.
Speaker 2: I was trying to look for that and I was
Speaker 2: going to ask you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they gave me. They gave me two strikes, and
Speaker 3: I was like, I'm quitting this relationship before we get
Speaker 3: to the third one. This was my decision, not yours.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so but anywhere else. And I do have Patreon
Speaker 3: for like exclusive stuff, AD free stuff in early releases
Speaker 3: on all my episodes over there on Patreon. You can
Speaker 3: just find it looking for Cosmic Peach. But yeah, I'm
Speaker 3: really excited about this one. Thanks, thanks again for having me.
Speaker 2: Of course, of course, of course, and you know what,
Speaker 2: real quick, just for some of the other people here
Speaker 2: totally forgot. I was going to let some of them
Speaker 2: plug themselves headless. Let everybody know where they can find
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Speaker 2: muted it again as usual.
Speaker 4: You can find me on YouTube obviously, and I'm streaming
Speaker 4: this out now. You can also find me on x
Speaker 4: that's where I do most of my ship posting, and
Speaker 4: sometimes I get on Instagram, so if you want to
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Speaker 2: Giant podcast listen. Thank you very much, and JJ Vance.
Speaker 2: Let everybody know where they can find your amazing work
Speaker 2: as well, Lisa.
Speaker 5: All right, Nick, appreciate the invite. JJ Advance, Host of
Speaker 5: Operations GCD right there on the screen. Boom uh, looking
Speaker 5: forward to the conversation. I'm a big mccount fan. I
Speaker 5: definitely a big, big fan of this book Program to
Speaker 5: Kill as well as far as an eye opening experience
Speaker 5: in my worldview. For sure, I've probably read that book,
Speaker 5: but now it's great see everybody looking forward to the conversation.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you very much, sir and Teresa. Last but
Speaker 2: not least, it's Joe, the other one with the show
Speaker 2: here for sure.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I have the Spiritual Gangsters podcast. People can
Speaker 6: check that out everywhere you find podcasts and YouTube, and
Speaker 6: they can find me on X and Instagram at t
Speaker 6: s Gangsters Plot.
Speaker 2: Awesome thank you very much, and all of their links
Speaker 2: and Julia's link tree is already in the bottom, so
Speaker 2: if people want to go check out his stuff, go
Speaker 2: for it. I guess Julia will get to you real quick.
Speaker 2: What made you even, I guess, get into or start
Speaker 2: thinking about covering this, because I mean that had to
Speaker 2: be a ten itself.
Speaker 3: Oh well, yeah. I didn't take it on lightheartedly because
Speaker 3: I knew it was a huge subject matter. But I
Speaker 3: actually first read Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon, which is
Speaker 3: another David McGowan book, and it has to do more
Speaker 3: with the Laurel Canyon and you know all of the
Speaker 3: counterculture movement stuff and how it was just a big
Speaker 3: CIA project and pretty much every musician from the Laurel
Speaker 3: Canyon their dads were all in the military, and of
Speaker 3: course everyone's familiar with Jim Morrison and his dad and
Speaker 3: the Gulf of Tonkin and all that. That's like conspiracy
Speaker 3: candy kind of at the point, like everyone really knows
Speaker 3: about it. But Weird Scenes Inside the Canyon like explodes
Speaker 3: the whole thing wide open, and it's crazy and it's
Speaker 3: just as interesting as a read. But after I finished
Speaker 3: that one, I wanted to move onto another book that
Speaker 3: he wrote, which was Programmed to Kill, and I liked
Speaker 3: weird scenes so much that I was like, Oh, this
Speaker 3: is going to be bomb, this is going to be
Speaker 3: fucking fantastic. Oh my god. I was so excited to
Speaker 3: read it because it's all the things white women love.
Speaker 3: You know, it's conspiracy, serial killers, true crime. Like that's
Speaker 3: that's the white girls dream book right there, and so
Speaker 3: you know, yeah, right, right right, you go to Starbucks
Speaker 3: and read program to Kill. That's like a wet dream
Speaker 3: or something. But well, yeah, yeah, so yeah, I was
Speaker 3: excited to read it anyways, and then chapter after chapter
Speaker 3: I just got more sucked into it, and I actually
Speaker 3: couldn't believe more people weren't talking about the stuff that
Speaker 3: was in this book because it was incredible. And he
Speaker 3: spends a lot of time at the back of the
Speaker 3: book talking about serial killers. But there's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: fifteen chapters or something like that in the beginning where
Speaker 3: it's all about how there's these interconnected pedophile rings that
Speaker 3: are just running the country and he has receipts for
Speaker 3: stuff like it's very well researched, and it blew my mind.
Speaker 3: And then I kind of dove into it looking for
Speaker 3: kind of clues and stuff on my own, and I
Speaker 3: put together basically I did what was the first one.
Speaker 3: I did the Pedaphocracy series, Uncle Sam Wants Your Children series,
Speaker 3: Program to Kill series, and then I'm working on a
Speaker 3: series right now called Blood Ties, and it's all about
Speaker 3: stuff I've researched from the book Program to Kill. So
Speaker 3: I think I've done maybe what ten plus episodes just
Speaker 3: on this one book. So, I mean, you guys have
Speaker 3: any questions or anything, but are you guys familiar with
Speaker 3: Dave McGowan at all?
Speaker 7: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 8: I think the book is super important.
Speaker 9: I mean, if you want to lose all trust in
Speaker 9: our intelligence networks and really brings shine a light on
Speaker 9: it's like is everything compromised? Well that s guy brings
Speaker 9: a receipt.
Speaker 2: So I mean.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's important too, especially when you're writing a
Speaker 3: book about this kind of stuff. You want to be
Speaker 3: able to see where it's not just like baseless claims
Speaker 3: because everyone loves to jump to oh their pedophile, but
Speaker 3: it's like Dave McGowan actually shows you, like how this
Speaker 3: person is actually a pedophile. I mean, you know, it's
Speaker 3: easy for us to be like, Oh, that celebrity is
Speaker 3: probably a pedo, and oh, he probably went to a
Speaker 3: Diddy party, and it's just, you know, it's our conjecture
Speaker 3: whether or not that stuff actually happens. But Dave McGowan
Speaker 3: lays it out like on a buffet, and he's like,
Speaker 3: look at this, look at this, look at this. And
Speaker 3: it's crazy because it actually turns out that these pedophile
Speaker 3: networks are so integrated. They're integrated with serial killers, they're
Speaker 3: integrated with the government, they're integrated with babysitting services, they're
Speaker 3: integrated with schools, they're integrated. I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 3: almost impossible for you to wrap your head around the
Speaker 3: first time you read it, that's how crazy it is.
Speaker 4: Well, another thing about Dave McGowan is he's got all
Speaker 4: of his resources just cited right there. So he's got
Speaker 4: of cited resources. And I've heard people try and debunk
Speaker 4: this book and they've failed miserably at it. And so
Speaker 4: I mean, that's a real uh test of time right there,
Speaker 4: is because these the you know, that's what we're up
Speaker 4: against is people are looking for a way to discredit
Speaker 4: this and they fail miserably. So I think that's that's
Speaker 4: a really important part some of Dave McGowan's Gallan's resources.
Speaker 4: He just leaves hanging out there. He doesn't draw any
Speaker 4: conclusion from it, which I think is important because it
Speaker 4: allows other researchers to go in there and be like, well,
Speaker 4: he left this hanging. Maybe there's something else that has
Speaker 4: developed since they're writing of this book.
Speaker 3: So, and the crazy thing to me is a lot
Speaker 3: of people talk about, oh, they were probably suicided, you know,
Speaker 3: fill in the blank, Epstein whoever, They were all suicided, Right,
Speaker 3: Dave McGowan died a weird, crazy like fast acting cancer
Speaker 3: CIA type death, and nobody looks at that any further
Speaker 3: than oh, he had cancer. It's natural causes, right. He's
Speaker 3: he died of his own accord. But the way that
Speaker 3: he contracted it, the things he was saying leading up
Speaker 3: to that, it was like he knew he was on
Speaker 3: their list and if somebody I get it, it was cancer, right,
Speaker 3: And we can't prove that, you know, somebody gave him
Speaker 3: cancer or whatever.
Speaker 4: But well, Lisa, as a biologist, I was I was
Speaker 4: wondering if they can make immortal cell lines, which is
Speaker 4: cancer izing these cells. Can't they just make cancer.
Speaker 10: So immortalized cell lines is a cancer cell or a
Speaker 10: cancer cell is let me rephrase that, a cancer cell
Speaker 10: is an immortalized cell line. And so you naturally make
Speaker 10: immortalized cell lines as kind of like an oops, but
Speaker 10: your immune cells kind of get rid of them, you know,
Speaker 10: kind of kill off anything that is showing some sort
Speaker 10: of anomaly. One of the things that the way the
Speaker 10: cancer cells came about is because they were doing biopsies
Speaker 10: and they were having problems maintaining cell lines to generate
Speaker 10: vaccines and what have you, and when they came across
Speaker 10: one of the cell lines, it was not showing the
Speaker 10: same type of decay over cell passages.
Speaker 11: That's when they're like, oh my god, we've hit cold.
Speaker 10: However, at the time, they kind of really didn't know
Speaker 10: about cancer so to speak, and that it was infectious,
Speaker 10: and so they're like, we found the holy grail. We
Speaker 10: have a cell line that will never deteriorate, and we
Speaker 10: can just mass produce it. Because it was allowing them
Speaker 10: to make so many passages with cell lines and testing
Speaker 10: everything without the decay of the chromosome and the telomeres
Speaker 10: and all that other stuff. So they used that initially
Speaker 10: to make vaccines not knowing that they were injecting. Well,
Speaker 10: I don't know if they knew or not. I'm not
Speaker 10: going to say that did, but at the time they
Speaker 10: say that they didn't know. And so when they injected
Speaker 10: obviously they were injecting mortalized cell lines.
Speaker 3: Now, so are you saying like they could just like
Speaker 3: inject somebody with this, they could squirt it in their
Speaker 3: coffee what so? So I'm just I'm curious. No no, no, no,
Speaker 3: U fast.
Speaker 10: So what was coming about Around in the sixties, there
Speaker 10: were a lot of scientists pointing evidence that the data
Speaker 10: was showing that viruses were responsible for mutating a cell
Speaker 10: to the point of immortalization. So if you kind of
Speaker 10: go back and at the literature, it kind of points
Speaker 10: that viruses themselves could cause cancer. And now we have
Speaker 10: proof of that, like with HPV. Right, HPV is a
Speaker 10: vir Oh yeah, longer you will get cervical cancer, right,
Speaker 10: that's one for sure. Now you have other viruses that
Speaker 10: have now been alleged to cause cancer later on in life,
Speaker 10: we have throw cancer and all that other stuff. So
Speaker 10: if they were to inject someone with the virus fast
Speaker 10: acting virus and manipulated virus, I could see it happening.
Speaker 3: Or could they just send somebody like coffin Dave's face
Speaker 3: and like just get him. You know, I don't know,
Speaker 3: I don't know, but you know.
Speaker 11: What kind of cancer specifically?
Speaker 3: You know, it was probably like fucking ainus. That's probably.
Speaker 1: Working environment. It was susceptible to lung cancer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, wait, let me just fact check myself before everybody
Speaker 3: runs around saying he had anus cancer. Okay, it was.
Speaker 3: It was lung cancer. It was lung cancer and rip
Speaker 3: by the way, I'm not trying to make light of it,
Speaker 3: because it was really terrible. But he was really looking
Speaker 3: into some crazy shit there at the end, and he
Speaker 3: knew like his days were numbered. He pretty much said
Speaker 3: so to a lot of his friends and family, like
Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure they're gonna come get me after this one.
Speaker 3: And it's for stuff like this, you know, this real
Speaker 3: controversial stuff.
Speaker 10: So one of the things if you look back at
Speaker 10: the hit, not to go off on a tangent on
Speaker 10: this and promises it, but if you look at the
Speaker 10: weaponization of viruses, it's around the same timeline when people
Speaker 10: are publishing this stuff and the technology was there, so
Speaker 10: it when did he die?
Speaker 3: He doesn't like twenty thirteen or something twenty fifteen. Maybe
Speaker 3: I just had it pulled up. I don't know. I
Speaker 3: think it was twenty It was within the last like
Speaker 3: ten years now. But he was actually working on something
Speaker 3: on the Boston Marathon bombing, and he was putting together
Speaker 3: a book on that, and then you know, next thing
Speaker 3: you know, Dave's got cancer and he's dead.
Speaker 1: Well, the most famous great series he did, go ahead, Edels.
Speaker 4: The most famous case of injectable cancer was SB forty,
Speaker 4: which they put into the polio vaccine, and lots of
Speaker 4: people got tumors from that. They're like, oh, it's not fatal,
Speaker 4: but they really.
Speaker 10: Know, you know, grow a virus, you know, because we
Speaker 10: get into the whole coaxpostulates and all that other stuff.
Speaker 10: Viruses cannot be isolated. They can only grow inside of
Speaker 10: a cell. They have to infect to sell. And then well,
Speaker 10: I say, live viruses are not alive. You can't kill
Speaker 10: them because they're not alive. They're just basically inserts, and
Speaker 10: so the only way to grow them or to propagate
Speaker 10: them is to put them inside of a and so
Speaker 10: once you have a cell, now you can go ahead
Speaker 10: and whatever. So SB forty was the actual kidney cell
Speaker 10: line and it was from a monkey. And so again
Speaker 10: you have the immortalized cell line that was able to
Speaker 10: be used and passaged without deterioration, because I think with
Speaker 10: normal cells you passage them I think anywhere between five
Speaker 10: to ten and it depends on the tissue. And then
Speaker 10: now you start to see degradation of the cell, the
Speaker 10: cells not holding correctly, the cells not replicating correctly, and
Speaker 10: now you run into all these other problems. But with
Speaker 10: an mortalized cell line, it never dies.
Speaker 11: So that's fucked.
Speaker 12: Do the same thing as in the COVID jobs too.
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that would be so easy for
Speaker 3: them to sneak into stuff, so I mean, I could
Speaker 3: totally see that. But yeah, so rip day McGowan. He
Speaker 3: was a really cool guy. I think his daughter still
Speaker 3: has like an online book store, And if you're gonna
Speaker 3: order Program to Kill after listening to this episode, don't
Speaker 3: order it through Amazon. Go through his daughter because I
Speaker 3: think that helps support like his you know whatever for
Speaker 3: the Dave McGowan memorial thing or whatever. But he starts
Speaker 3: the book off and just break in if you have
Speaker 3: any questions. But he starts the book off by talking
Speaker 3: about this pedophile guy in Belgium. They called him the
Speaker 3: Belgium Beast. His name was Mark Dutreaux. Have you guys
Speaker 3: ever heard of this fucker?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Is that he associated with the Mothers of Darkness Castle
Speaker 4: as well over there in Belgium.
Speaker 3: He's involved in all kinds of stuff and he's wrapped
Speaker 3: up in all of these pedophile rings and shit. But
Speaker 3: what the crazy thing is about this guy is like
Speaker 3: I think he like molested a couple of young girls
Speaker 3: and then he went to prison but was able to
Speaker 3: get out within like I don't know, eight months or
Speaker 3: something real like slight like that, instead of serving out
Speaker 3: his whole sentence. And then it was almost as if
Speaker 3: someone wanted him out, like he was getting released for
Speaker 3: a reason. And so he gets released and then he
Speaker 3: goes right back at it. He starts raping and murdering
Speaker 3: and doing all this shit, and even his neighbors would
Speaker 3: call the cops and be like, we hear fucking girls
Speaker 3: screaming from this house and somebody better come check this out.
Speaker 3: And the police would supposedly drive by and they would
Speaker 3: see like, oh, nothing's wrong here, and just you know,
Speaker 3: totally dismiss everything. Even this guy's mom. Mark Dutrou's mom
Speaker 3: called the police and said, I think there's something wrong.
Speaker 3: You need to go check out my son's house and whatever.
Speaker 3: The police go, they say, they see nothing wrong. Time
Speaker 3: goes by and they discover that he's got little girls
Speaker 3: buried all over his property. He's got a dungeon in
Speaker 3: his basement. He's been chaining bitches up down there. He's
Speaker 3: been making snuff films, he's been making like child porn all. Huh.
Speaker 2: Guy's busy, Yeah, he's busy.
Speaker 3: He's fucking busy, and he's probably on welfare, so he's
Speaker 3: got nothing better to do than to be at home
Speaker 3: raping and killing bitches. How it works in Belgium, he.
Speaker 4: Was definitely the Belgian Epstein. And what ended up, what
Speaker 4: ended up causing him to go to jail, was that
Speaker 4: the people of Belgium were so sick of it that
Speaker 4: they took to the streets and had a national day
Speaker 4: of protest, which actually got into looking into this guy
Speaker 4: and putting him in jail. But they, I mean, they
Speaker 4: didn't execute him, they didn't do nothing like that. And
Speaker 4: he's still rotting in jail to this day. But you know,
Speaker 4: it's just overwhelming amounts of evidence. And the thing I've
Speaker 4: seen about him is that he's associated with this Belgium
Speaker 4: castle they call the Mothers of Darkness Castle. So he's
Speaker 4: basically running an Epstein network out there for blackmailing Belgian politicians.
Speaker 4: And I think that's pretty important because you know, this
Speaker 4: is like the heart of NATO and all the rest
Speaker 4: of this globalism is right there, and he's associated with
Speaker 4: all of it.
Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask, what's his NATO connections.
Speaker 1: I mean it's Belgium, so it's NATO HQ.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was definitely connected, and I mean headless put
Speaker 3: it perfectly, because they use people like Mark dutrou to
Speaker 3: kind of like act vicariously through. He procures the girls
Speaker 3: and then they make these you know, blackmail tapes, and
Speaker 3: they make snuff films and they do all that this
Speaker 3: stuff and they probably sell them too. And so they
Speaker 3: use a guy like Mark Dutroux. They see that he's
Speaker 3: already into this shit, he's already been raping and molested
Speaker 3: in his way through. They let him out of jail
Speaker 3: early and they almost kind of recruit these men to
Speaker 3: be a part of the of the scheme. You know,
Speaker 3: it's Like, before I move off of Mark Dutrow, I
Speaker 3: just want to say, it's like the same concept of
Speaker 3: the serial killer. There's they they probably look for people
Speaker 3: who fit a specific profile, who already are somewhat psychopathic,
Speaker 3: and then they weaponize them to do their bidding. And
Speaker 3: so it's the idea of the program to kill. It's
Speaker 3: not very unlike programmed to pedophile because it seems like
Speaker 3: they're also connected in these circles. I don't know if
Speaker 3: you guys had any questions on that though, before I
Speaker 3: go to the next part of it.
Speaker 1: Those satanism connected to the De Trou.
Speaker 3: Affair, I think Dutrow, uh from what I can remember,
Speaker 3: they said like maybe his parents were into it, and
Speaker 3: it was like a generational thing, kind of like generational satanism.
Speaker 3: You know, they take the little boys, they dress them
Speaker 3: like girls, they make them eat shit, drink piss. It's
Speaker 3: all part of like the trauma, and then they grow
Speaker 3: up and then they become Mark Dutrow because it's like
Speaker 3: generational satanism.
Speaker 5: Sure, so there was evidence of that then with the
Speaker 5: De trou affair as well, because it seems to have
Speaker 5: the hallmarks of it. But I'd never recall there being
Speaker 5: anything in the investigation too much toward the book for
Speaker 5: that matter, regard the satanic elements of it, but certainly
Speaker 5: has all the hallmarks.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd have to go back and read it to
Speaker 3: be sure, but I'm pretty if I'm remembering right. I
Speaker 3: think it was like a generational thing and like his
Speaker 3: grandma or something. It's always like the grandma who's the
Speaker 3: Satanist to like dressism, like girls and stuff. It's all
Speaker 3: fucked up. But I mean, as far as I can tell,
Speaker 3: this du Troe guy, he had like a bunch of
Speaker 3: like people under him and then there was like people
Speaker 3: under them and it was literally like a spider web,
Speaker 3: and they were all producing child porn and you know
Speaker 3: blackmail stuff with politicians.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that sort of goes back into the mothers
Speaker 4: of darkness angle. So the predominant theory is that this
Speaker 4: castle is where you've got a lot of these, i guess,
Speaker 4: highly psychic women that act as like the generals of
Speaker 4: this kind of pedaphocracy, and so basically they're getting orders
Speaker 4: from this Belgium castle, and the castle to this day
Speaker 4: people have tried to infiltrate and everything else. They've got
Speaker 4: massive security around it. And there doesn't appear to be
Speaker 4: any you know, overt reason for it other than the
Speaker 4: fact that all of these you know, politicians and everybody
Speaker 4: else can be seen driving up there and basically getting
Speaker 4: orders from headquarters.
Speaker 1: That's wild.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah it is. And actually the next one that
Speaker 3: I wanted to talk to you guys about, it's governmente too.
Speaker 3: But it's uh, not in Belgium, obviously, it's here. But like,
Speaker 3: have you guys ever heard of the Franklin cover up?
Speaker 3: The Franklin scandal?
Speaker 2: We covered that, Oh you did, yeah, when lux was around.
Speaker 3: Ancient history b C.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, b L before. Look, the show has been
Speaker 2: around longer than he was, so at least that's good
Speaker 2: now without it's been around without him.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so the Franklin scandal, it was a lot
Speaker 3: like what was happening in Belgium with Mark Dutreaux, but
Speaker 3: it was over here and it was a politician guy,
Speaker 3: this black Republican guy, Larry King, not the talk show
Speaker 3: fucking house.
Speaker 2: Okay, it was great about that when Julia that was
Speaker 2: ald Republicans, right right, right, People's that's why it's not
Speaker 2: that popular because it wasn't Ald Democrats.
Speaker 3: Oh, speaking of Republicans. Let me just throw this in there,
Speaker 3: because it's in Program to Kill.
Speaker 8: Uh.
Speaker 3: I don't know what side of the fence anyone's on.
Speaker 3: I am not on either side. Okay. But Donald Trump, okay,
Speaker 3: was friends with this guy he's mentioned in Program to Kill.
Speaker 3: His name was Roy Kohane, and he was a known
Speaker 3: gay pedophile and he got other gay people removed from
Speaker 3: their position in the office. They called it like the
Speaker 3: Violet Scare, the Violet scandal or something like that, and
Speaker 3: then turned out he was the biggest gayest pedophile out
Speaker 3: of all of them. And he was besties with Donald Trump.
Speaker 3: And also Donald Trump is besties with Epstein, although he
Speaker 3: doesn't seem to remember that shit. And it's like, I'm sorry,
Speaker 3: you're not going to convince me that he's just oblivious
Speaker 3: to all this shit. His best friend, this Roy Cone guy,
Speaker 3: he was known to have like little boy parties at
Speaker 3: his house, you know, and invite all of his politician
Speaker 3: friends over and stuff.
Speaker 2: You remember Bill Burr, that was you know, supposedly Trump's
Speaker 2: boy that was going to, you know, help take down
Speaker 2: all these pedophile rings. He was around. He was around
Speaker 2: during the Franklin scandal, and somebody brought stuff to him
Speaker 2: and said, Yo, you think something's going on here? He
Speaker 2: looked at Nope, nothing to see here. Same thing he
Speaker 2: did with Epstein. Shit, I'm telling you, I swear to
Speaker 2: God that guy's put in position to let ship slid.
Speaker 2: Bill barrr Yeah, Bill Barr, Yeah, Bill Barr Yeah, Bill
Speaker 2: Barr Yeah, Bill bar.
Speaker 5: Will Bar's neck teem whatever neck he has. He's a
Speaker 5: nect eve in the Rank concert scandal. He was out
Speaker 5: it is having an undercover intelligence name there and seen
Speaker 5: in multiple sites, including me in Arkansas, so by numerous witnesses.
Speaker 5: So that dude is definitely scandalous. But speaking of roy Cone,
Speaker 5: he's a court to Maury Terry. The files of Moriitarry,
Speaker 5: he had.
Speaker 1: Roy Cone is a member of the process.
Speaker 3: Are you talking about, uh, the Maury Terry? Are you
Speaker 3: talking about the Ultimate Evil?
Speaker 1: Or sure? Yep? Yep.
Speaker 5: And within his files he didn't mention it in the book,
Speaker 5: but within his files he has Roy Cone listed as
Speaker 5: a member of the process of the children there the
Speaker 5: Entra Myer cult, contingent of the process, and also in
Speaker 5: that group is a fellow that grew up in Westchester
Speaker 5: County and part of the children there listed in the
Speaker 5: Terry Files who happens to be a banker out in Omaha,
Speaker 5: Nebraska to day.
Speaker 3: And he gets off Scott for you right.
Speaker 5: Not only that, he's in a site where you know
Speaker 5: where the Franklin scandal was, the headquarters of it is
Speaker 5: with bankers and Omaha, Nebraska. So you have a member
Speaker 5: of the Children identified in the Terry Files who is
Speaker 5: part of the Westchester coult contingent of the process.
Speaker 1: The minute at Ramer Park.
Speaker 5: You know, it's largely responsible attributed to the Son of
Speaker 5: Sam murders and additional murders on top of what is
Speaker 5: known as the Sun of Sam murders. But yeah, one
Speaker 5: of those guys from the Children is a banker out
Speaker 5: now on today, a VP has been out there for
Speaker 5: almost thirty years.
Speaker 1: He runs a bank out there. So I find that
Speaker 1: very odd.
Speaker 3: Well fucking nuts. Oh sorry, go ahead.
Speaker 4: One of the most interesting parts of Broyd Koin's history
Speaker 4: is his acting as a legal council to a lot
Speaker 4: of the mobsters in New York. So the mobsters would
Speaker 4: hire him, He'd come into the court and everybody in
Speaker 4: the courtroom would now stop badgering the mobsters and started
Speaker 4: treating them with some more respect because Roy ConA had
Speaker 4: dirt on all of the court officers and so he
Speaker 4: was very influential in the late eighties when the FBI
Speaker 4: was going after all these mobsters.
Speaker 3: He's a fucking piece of shit, is what he is.
Speaker 3: And I just I you know, sometimes the company you
Speaker 3: keep says a lot about you. And so I'm not
Speaker 3: friends with any pedophiles that I know of. I'm not
Speaker 3: friends with any murderous douchebags that I know of. So
Speaker 3: if your friend group includes more than one murderous pedophiling douchebag,
Speaker 3: I mean you start wondering maybe this guy is a murdering,
Speaker 3: pedophiling douchebag. That's all I'm saying. Again, I don't you know.
Speaker 3: I know a lot of people are trumping and a
Speaker 3: lot of whatever, but it is what it is as
Speaker 3: far as that goes. And it's the same with this
Speaker 3: Franklin scandal stuff, because it was basically a black Republican
Speaker 3: guy who was invested in a bunch of loans and
Speaker 3: savings companies, and he was also doing like charitable stuff
Speaker 3: with Boystown I think it was, and so I guess
Speaker 3: they were funneling boys out of this boys Town which
Speaker 3: was like a halfway house or an orphanage of some kind,
Speaker 3: and they were taking him and doing all this blackmail
Speaker 3: stuff with them. And one of the most known survivors
Speaker 3: of this, I guess you could call him, is a
Speaker 3: guy named Paul Banassi, which I'm sure a lot of
Speaker 3: you are familiar with. And this guy's incredible because if
Speaker 3: he's telling the truth, if everything, it almost makes me
Speaker 3: wonder how he's able to say the amount of stuff
Speaker 3: that he says and get away with it. But if
Speaker 3: half of the stuff he says is true, holy fucking
Speaker 3: ship balls. I mean, have you guys heard this guy talk?
Speaker 3: He's got like seventeen personalities.
Speaker 2: Oh I've seen yeah, Yeah, I watched his Yeah, we
Speaker 2: kind of covered his interviews on the show. Yeah, some
Speaker 2: wild stuff, some story you.
Speaker 3: Said you saw it?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I've seen the book on the Franklin cover up.
Speaker 4: And uh, the stuff that Banassi was saying went right
Speaker 4: back to the very first kid they ever put on
Speaker 4: a on a milk carton. So he's like.
Speaker 5: Johnny Gosh, Hey, Johnny A Jhon Pats was the first
Speaker 5: milk carton boy, I think though.
Speaker 1: But yea Johnny Gosh was the.
Speaker 5: First second one, I think right right, you were the
Speaker 5: first paper boy. It was that paper boy craze of
Speaker 5: going missing there in the eighties. He was the first
Speaker 5: one of the whole scare. I remember that scare now?
Speaker 8: Is he the one who was taking to the Elephant
Speaker 8: Rock Colorado?
Speaker 1: Was that Johnny Gosh supposedly? Right?
Speaker 5: So some of that story from Bonanci seems to check out,
Speaker 5: I know, And in following some of that story wells
Speaker 5: and years with the author, they found that house that
Speaker 5: Bonaci tells about in Colorado.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and shout out the thrash on this one. That's
Speaker 9: right by Monarch Mountain.
Speaker 7: So you.
Speaker 9: Know with the whole clockwork orange thing going on, you know,
Speaker 9: the Monarch Mountain or not cockwork orange, but the shining
Speaker 9: the monarch poster.
Speaker 8: So it's just a little sink there.
Speaker 9: That house is right by that mountain out there, and
Speaker 9: there's a lot of weird stuff that goes on in
Speaker 9: that area.
Speaker 3: So, I mean, Paul Banasi says all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: He says Bohemian grove stuff. He says stuff about Hunter S. Thompson.
Speaker 2: He brought up a quino, didn't he bring up a queen?
Speaker 1: I believe the Toms and stuff. I think is the coultest.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure he brought up Michael Aquino specifically, Yeah.
Speaker 1: He did.
Speaker 3: He he addressed him as the colonel and he was
Speaker 3: supposedly in charge of all this bullshitty. So the way
Speaker 3: Paul p Nazi and again it does go back to
Speaker 3: the Johnny Gosh kid because he says that they Paul
Speaker 3: Banasi was there when he was taken, they did all
Speaker 3: kinds of messed up stuff to him, and maybe they
Speaker 3: killed him. I don't remember if he said so or not.
Speaker 3: But Paul Banazi they always talk about, well he didn't
Speaker 3: there was no trial, there was no case or whatever.
Speaker 3: He actually took Larry King to civil court and did
Speaker 3: end up winning that case against him, and I think
Speaker 3: Larry King had to pay him like a million dollars
Speaker 3: or something like that. But when people say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: there's nothing to support this, Paul Banasi's crazy and he
Speaker 3: made all this up. He won his case in civil
Speaker 3: court against Larry King, So I mean he was able
Speaker 3: to convince a jury obviously or a judge that this
Speaker 3: all happened. So it just gets you to think, and
Speaker 3: maybe you know all the stuff he's saying is true.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe it's a little true and a
Speaker 3: little lies. I mean, I think it's at least partially true.
Speaker 3: Have you guys heard about any of that stuff with.
Speaker 2: The trial, Well, I've I've heard about some of the
Speaker 2: stories that he just even you know, he told, especially
Speaker 2: with that girl too. But in my opinion, even if
Speaker 2: you think about the day's in the time that it
Speaker 2: was at, like the date I forgot how long ago,
Speaker 2: my opinion, like when he gave descriptions of like where
Speaker 2: these places are, he would be telling you, like what's
Speaker 2: on the corners of the streets. Oh, it's over that's
Speaker 2: on the other side of the street, like just give
Speaker 2: painting a visual picture, so like you could tell he
Speaker 2: was probably really there, you know. So it's I don't
Speaker 2: think they had map quest then, and he I don't
Speaker 2: think he was like Google Earth, you know, Google Earth.
Speaker 2: So odds are then, like unless it was scripted for
Speaker 2: him to read and to know prior. My opinion, some
Speaker 2: of the stuff he says I do think is true
Speaker 2: because just the it's almost as if you like he's
Speaker 2: describing it as he really was there.
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 4: That's that's one of the things about Paul Banasi is
Speaker 4: he would actually document things like graffitis inside of a McDonald's,
Speaker 4: and it's like, well, how could he possibly know that?
Speaker 4: And people went back and checked out his work and
Speaker 4: found all of the things that he was talking about
Speaker 4: in that book about the Franklin cover up.
Speaker 3: And that kind of leads me back to Michael Achino
Speaker 3: because he he talks about Michael Aquino, like I said,
Speaker 3: he calls him the Colonel. And then if you really
Speaker 3: get to dig it into the colonel quote unquote, there's
Speaker 3: this stuff about the Presidio Air Force Base daycare. I
Speaker 3: want to say, was it the daycare or a first grade,
Speaker 3: second grade something like that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the army, Okay, it.
Speaker 3: Was a daycare. Yeah. So in Program to Kill it
Speaker 3: kind of outlines how the Presidio Air Force Base basically
Speaker 3: if Michael Aquino is the colonel or whatever and he's
Speaker 3: running all this, basically they have an understanding that these
Speaker 3: kids are easily drugged and taken to Michael Achino's house
Speaker 3: for programming. And a couple of the kids started talking
Speaker 3: about it and they would say, like, we'd drink a pink,
Speaker 3: sleepy drink and then mister Gary touches our no no spot,
Speaker 3: and then we're taken to the colonel's house quote unquote,
Speaker 3: and they would say that he looked like Mickey Mouse.
Speaker 3: If you look at a picture of Michael Aquino how
Speaker 3: he used to style his hair and shit, he did
Speaker 3: look like fucking Mickey Mouse. It was fucking ridiculous. Go
Speaker 3: and look at a picture of it. But anyways, they
Speaker 3: would say that he looked like Mickey Mouse. They would
Speaker 3: say that they were watching videos of animals getting torn apart,
Speaker 3: that they were getting asked to tear animals apart. They
Speaker 3: were eating shit and drinking piss and getting shit and
Speaker 3: pissed on, and then they were coming home. Of course,
Speaker 3: they cleaned them up and stuff and sent them home.
Speaker 3: And a couple of the kids started remembering this shit
Speaker 3: and telling their parents, and the parents filed a suit
Speaker 3: against Michael Keino, and Michael Keino was like, fuck you,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do you for defamation, and guess what, he
Speaker 3: walked away. Scott Free didn't have to fucking you know,
Speaker 3: own up to any of this shit. And Paul Binnasi,
Speaker 3: I mean, it's crazy, actually, do you guys know about
Speaker 3: this stuff?
Speaker 7: Right?
Speaker 4: Well, at the presidio, he claimed that they were coming
Speaker 4: after him because he was a Satanist. They're like, oh,
Speaker 4: this is all just satanic panic, but that it turns
Speaker 4: out in the documents related to what's that cult called
Speaker 4: in DC, you know this one JJ, But there's this
Speaker 4: called document, yeah, the Finders called there you go. In
Speaker 4: the Finders called documents, they actually talk about the presidio
Speaker 4: and talk about that there were these tunnels under the
Speaker 4: daycare that these children described, and that didn't come to
Speaker 4: light until, you know, twenty years after the fact. But
Speaker 4: there was somebody at least on that case. I believe
Speaker 4: it was the guy who was a customs official who
Speaker 4: was looking into it. That the FBI and the CIA
Speaker 4: were feuding over, you know, who gets to release it,
Speaker 4: and the CIA was covering up all this stuff about
Speaker 4: the the Finders. But the exact same type of methodology
Speaker 4: talked about in the Finders with these uh sacrificed animals
Speaker 4: was one of the things that was also used by
Speaker 4: the AINO culled out the presidio. So there's a huge
Speaker 4: crossover between the two that apparently the CIA doesn't want
Speaker 4: coming to light because the Finders was basically a CIA
Speaker 4: front group.
Speaker 1: Well they're rumored to make the best born, the best
Speaker 1: child born.
Speaker 5: The CIA is they sell to everybody. It's a big
Speaker 5: profitable scheme for them. The other foreign intelligence agencies.
Speaker 3: Very profitable for them.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
Speaker 5: Actually, oh so America is good for something, right, America,
Speaker 5: the best child.
Speaker 1: The intelligence agencies here in America.
Speaker 10: One of the things, dude, there was oh go ahead, no, no, no,
Speaker 10: it's okay, go ahead, go ahead.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I'll just say it really quick. There was
Speaker 3: something in program to kill about There was a child
Speaker 3: porn website and they had like a whole HR department
Speaker 3: and a fucking receptionist for the front desk and all
Speaker 3: this shit. It's like, who's calling with an HR complained?
Speaker 3: Who's Colin with a fucking nine issue? Like are you serious? Anyways?
Speaker 3: Go ahead, Lisa.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 10: One of the things that to me stuck out with
Speaker 10: Bonacci's whatever his telling was, is that if you kind
Speaker 10: of now, like look back, and so much has come
Speaker 10: to light now with these quote unquote serial killers, these
Speaker 10: quote unquote cults, the ones that have this tie to intelligence, cults,
Speaker 10: serial killers or anything like that, all have the same hallmark,
Speaker 10: the cannibalism, the satanic, the child the snuff the everything.
Speaker 10: And so to me, the way I grew up, and
Speaker 10: I grew up in doctrinated that serial killers are real.
Speaker 10: And you know, this was the thing that they all
Speaker 10: have their own signature, right, they all have their own methodology,
Speaker 10: they have their own fing print, so to speak. And
Speaker 10: yet no one's looking at the fact that the government's
Speaker 10: fingerprint is all over this. This is how they do business, right,
Speaker 10: and no one has kind of really tied all that,
Speaker 10: you know in with it all, I mean, except for
Speaker 10: this book.
Speaker 11: But it seems like.
Speaker 10: It's over and over. Everything is redundant in the same mo.
Speaker 3: Well, I agree.
Speaker 4: One of the reasons why Michael Aquino was so protected
Speaker 4: by the US Army and so integral to their work
Speaker 4: was his book Mind War, and Mind War was part
Speaker 4: of the army curriculum about how to engage in psyops,
Speaker 4: and so he was so influential because of the fact
Speaker 4: that he had the experimental knowledge to sort of transfer
Speaker 4: all of this child abuse into working propaganda techniques. And
Speaker 4: he claimed it was a way to put an end
Speaker 4: to war, and he was doing it peacefully, but really
Speaker 4: what he wanted to do is to you who's basically
Speaker 4: wind ups and children that had been abused as a
Speaker 4: method of assassination, and all the rest of the stuff
Speaker 4: that the NATO forces and everybody else can now use
Speaker 4: in times of great civil strife to try and push
Speaker 4: these societies into either civil war or regime change or
Speaker 4: any of the rest of the stuff that would be
Speaker 4: useful around the world.
Speaker 3: Mh, I'm going to go to the next one unless
Speaker 3: you guys are okay. So it kind of dove taels
Speaker 3: with the Presidio Michael Akino stuff, because in another part
Speaker 3: of California there is this McMartin preschool trial thing, and
Speaker 3: it's just like the Presidio daycare. These kids are coming home,
Speaker 3: preschool aged children coming home and telling their parents that
Speaker 3: they're getting touched, that their stuff going on. And one
Speaker 3: of the first parents, gosh, I'm forgetting her name, Judy Johnson,
Speaker 3: I think is her name. She was the first parent
Speaker 3: of one of these kids to step forward and say
Speaker 3: that I think there's something going on here. My kid
Speaker 3: is saying this stuff. And she took him to like
Speaker 3: a primary care physician or a PEDS doctor whatever, and
Speaker 3: they did a bunch of tests on him, and there's
Speaker 3: one test. I'm not making this up. It's called the
Speaker 3: anal Wink test, and they do it on kids or
Speaker 3: whoever as part of like almost like a rape kit
Speaker 3: type thing. And these kids are showing clear and evident
Speaker 3: signs of being sexually abused, and they're talking about getting
Speaker 3: taken under the school in tunnels, and and you know,
Speaker 3: it's getting crazy, and so this whole trial gets started up.
Speaker 3: I can't remember the number of kids, but I think
Speaker 3: it was like over fifty, maybe one hundred kids. Parents
Speaker 3: are part of this trial, and they hire like this
Speaker 3: court appointed psychiatrist to talk to all these kids and
Speaker 3: verify their claims. And they talk to all the kids.
Speaker 3: They come back and they say, you know what, we
Speaker 3: think these one hundred and twenty six point two children
Speaker 3: are all suffering from false memory syndrome. And they've been
Speaker 3: all convinced that this is reality, but it's just a
Speaker 3: dream and they're all having false memory syndrome. I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know what you guys have to say about that,
Speaker 3: but imagine your kid preschool age, coming home, You take
Speaker 3: them to the doctor, there's like, yep, there's been stuff
Speaker 3: going on here. And then you go to court. You
Speaker 3: get all the way to the trial and they say
Speaker 3: we're sorry. You and one hundred and twenty six of
Speaker 3: your kids' friends are all suffering from false memory syndrome.
Speaker 3: Like you tell me what preschool age kid knows to
Speaker 3: put those type of details into a story, and what
Speaker 3: type of preschool age kid knows about sexual stuff?
Speaker 12: You know that it definitely insane. Yeah, it's crazy.
Speaker 6: Would I would be going to jail, Let's put it
Speaker 6: that way, because I would do something.
Speaker 3: I should be down there tearing bitch's faces off. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I would be up if my kids said something like
Speaker 3: that to me. But I mean, hadless you guys heard
Speaker 3: of this stuff?
Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, I think yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean some of the.
Speaker 9: I was just gonna say, I mean some of the
Speaker 9: parents that made enough noise ended up getting taken out,
Speaker 9: didn't they?
Speaker 8: Or miss mysterious things happened to some of them.
Speaker 3: So that Judy Johnson, the first mom that came forward
Speaker 3: with her kid. A week before she was set to testify,
Speaker 3: she showed up in her home dead of what they
Speaker 3: call a heart attack. And then they were like, well,
Speaker 3: you know, Judy was a fucking alcoholic, She was a
Speaker 3: fucking prostitute. She was flashing her shit all around town.
Speaker 3: None of that shit was true, and she wasn't an alcoholic,
Speaker 3: and actually she only had started drinking a little bit
Speaker 3: here and there after the trial started. I mean, you
Speaker 3: could imagine you'd want a stiff one, like with all
Speaker 3: that shit going on, you cannot tell me that makes
Speaker 3: you an alcoholic. That's it's just ridiculous. They say that
Speaker 3: she was such an alcoholic that she had a heart
Speaker 3: attack in her house and just died a week before
Speaker 3: she supposed to testify it. I mean, come on, guys.
Speaker 4: Well, the False Memory Syndrome Foundation was started by these
Speaker 4: abusive parents whose daughter had remembered these memories of being
Speaker 4: abused as a child and blamed her parents for it.
Speaker 4: And so not only did you have the False Memory
Speaker 4: Syndrome Foundation, which brings up in other angles, the foundations
Speaker 4: and all these I guess nonprofit organizations have their fingerprints
Speaker 4: all over this stuff. As soon as something comes up,
Speaker 4: you get descended upon by all these different organizations that
Speaker 4: are now there to discredit the children. And what's interesting too,
Speaker 4: is not only did you have the False Memory Syndrome Foundation,
Speaker 4: you also had a psychologist from out in Utah, one
Speaker 4: of these uh, I guess fixers for the the you know,
Speaker 4: Utah chapters of these different organizations that was literally implanting
Speaker 4: memories as well. So you have both sides of the
Speaker 4: equation being forced on these kids, so that there are
Speaker 4: some kids with false memories. And then you also have
Speaker 4: a False Memory Syndrome Foundation. Ralph Underwagger for the False
Speaker 4: Memory Syndrome Foundation, he was one of the clergy that
Speaker 4: they would use as sort of their cover was actually
Speaker 4: hot with child pornography, so the entire organization was completely corrupting. Still,
Speaker 4: look up the False Memory Syndrome Foundation website where they're
Speaker 4: you know, basically saying we need to stop these psychologists
Speaker 4: from implanting memories into our children. Now, if you think
Speaker 4: about the improbability of having the type of conspiracy that
Speaker 4: would create these false memories for children, you have to
Speaker 4: also understand that, you know, there would be an industry
Speaker 4: there that would be exploited. So you've got both sides
Speaker 4: of the coin sort of working together, just obscure and
Speaker 4: throw much garbage on top of this whole thing, sort
Speaker 4: of keep the industry moving.
Speaker 3: Mm hmm, JJ, were you going to say something earlier?
Speaker 3: I don't know if I cut you off or.
Speaker 2: Anything, JJ, He might be stuck.
Speaker 3: Actually, oh okay, I was gonna say I thought he
Speaker 3: was going to say something, but maybe he's frozen.
Speaker 6: The headless. The psychiatrist you were talking about is that
Speaker 6: Barbara Snow.
Speaker 4: I forgot her name, but that.
Speaker 12: Yeah, and then.
Speaker 6: She worked also with that Teal Swan who's like, uh,
Speaker 6: you know, life guru, Now tell me to just kill
Speaker 6: yourself so you reincarnate and come back.
Speaker 3: Your life is ship ah fuck.
Speaker 12: People have done it.
Speaker 4: Teal Swat is all over these ads, all over Facebook
Speaker 4: and Instagram.
Speaker 12: I'm sure she is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, but you know what they did to these cities.
Speaker 3: Oh nope, I'm not gonna cut you off again this time.
Speaker 3: You go, Lisa.
Speaker 10: No, I was gonna mention something about the false mentmory,
Speaker 10: some false memory syndrome, but I don't know if JJ
Speaker 10: is going to say something, and so I don't want
Speaker 10: to take his thunder, So go ahead. I think we're
Speaker 10: gonna probably say the same thing.
Speaker 12: So I'll let you go.
Speaker 11: No, no, go go go.
Speaker 1: No by all means okay.
Speaker 10: So, and we've covered this on the Occult Rejects. So
Speaker 10: and please JJ, please insert because you were on the
Speaker 10: show at the same time. So we kind of talked
Speaker 10: about the psychiatrist Elizabeth Loftis, who is well known for
Speaker 10: the false memory syndrome. And so Elizabeth Loftis, might I
Speaker 10: mention got her PhD from Stanford, which we all know
Speaker 10: that Stanford's very well connected to Esslon all kinds of
Speaker 10: think tanks, cults, what have you, right, But she also
Speaker 10: been you know, somewhat of a consultant on the O. J.
Speaker 10: Simpson trial, on I think Weinstein's trial, and then believe
Speaker 10: it was her that was asked for specifically by name
Speaker 10: by Gailaine Maxwell. The other person that was asked for
Speaker 10: by Gislaine Maxwell was Park Deets, and Elizabeth Loftis belongs
Speaker 10: to the firm of park Deats.
Speaker 11: Park Deats is the.
Speaker 10: Forensic psychiatrist that was called in for the following trials
Speaker 10: Robert John Bardow, John W. Hinkley, Betty Brodrick, Jared Lee
Speaker 10: lot Loffner, and other serial killers like Joel Rifkin, Jeffrey Dahmer,
Speaker 10: Ted Kaczinski, Richard Kazinski.
Speaker 11: I don't know the list.
Speaker 10: Goes on, but anyway, so it's all connected, yes, to
Speaker 10: that whole false memory syndrome.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: I have you guys ever heard of this debunker guy
Speaker 4: from the eighties, the amazing.
Speaker 1: Randy Oh yeah, what was he?
Speaker 3: What was he debunking?
Speaker 4: Said, debunk psychics, psychic phenomenon or whatever. And so he
Speaker 4: was a member of the False Memory Syndrome Foundation. I
Speaker 4: think he was a board member. And this guy, uh,
Speaker 4: he said, well, he called some teenagers up on the
Speaker 4: phone and tried to solicit sex from them, and he
Speaker 4: said he was doing it as a sting operation for
Speaker 4: the False Syndrome Foundation. So it's like you're trying to
Speaker 4: sting thirteen year old boys into what's.
Speaker 1: The only research.
Speaker 4: It's only research, righty.
Speaker 5: Foundation is deeply rooted in CIA activities and Satanic activities
Speaker 5: because the head of the Satanic temple, the old boy
Speaker 5: who goes by the name Lucian Green, he's mister Doug Mushenko.
Speaker 5: He's a Harvard graduate specializing in false memory syndrome psychology.
Speaker 5: And he's also he also runs the process dot org
Speaker 5: website and very likely the uh satanic element of the
Speaker 5: process today.
Speaker 1: But hey, that's a different story together.
Speaker 5: So it seems like very processed CIA Satanic stuff pushing
Speaker 5: these current false memory syndrome aspects today.
Speaker 1: So it's a very very shady.
Speaker 11: Element and talking about the false memory. Oh I'm so sorry.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I was just gonna say, yeah, they gotta
Speaker 3: they gotta get these kids in the fucking cult as
Speaker 3: soon as they can. Sorry, Lisa, go ahead.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, that it rings a bell because y'all
Speaker 10: did a show last night with the height Idaho four.
Speaker 10: So Elizabeth Lofts back to the false memory syndrome. She
Speaker 10: was married to the chief guy for the psychology department
Speaker 10: at University of Washington, and so she has a lot
Speaker 10: of connections to a lot of the forensic psychology whatever
Speaker 10: that Whenever these huge cases, you know, start getting huge coverage,
Speaker 10: these people are somewhere in the background of it all,
Speaker 10: at least the departments or people that are consulting or
Speaker 10: anything like that. Now we have the guy who's supposed
Speaker 10: to Coburger has been implicated he was a student there
Speaker 10: at the psychology department. Correct forensic psychology department, Sure, absolutely,
Speaker 10: yep or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is strange.
Speaker 5: And there's a lot of weird fundings speaking of kind
Speaker 5: of CIA kind of funding to those schools. I mean,
Speaker 5: I often assert the Air Force, the CIA, and NASA
Speaker 5: are the same organization because I just used to manage
Speaker 5: the budget for Air Force cops, you know, headquarters in DC,
Speaker 5: and I kind of came to these conclusions through budgetary meetings,
Speaker 5: but because they're also created by the same legislation, the
Speaker 5: National Security Act of nineteen forty seven, and weirdly enough,
Speaker 5: University of Washington University or Washington State University there in
Speaker 5: the University of Idaho get weird NASA funding if some
Speaker 5: strange NASA research programs there, which to me is again
Speaker 5: just the CIA. So I often wonder I had no
Speaker 5: idea off to say connections there. That's interesting.
Speaker 2: I still think Colburg is a SiO.
Speaker 5: Well, look, it's certainly I see I saw some more
Speaker 5: comments about that from our show.
Speaker 2: I don't say about those. I still think something.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, there was never any bodies taking scene taken
Speaker 5: out of the house, so I mean there is an
Speaker 5: argument to be made.
Speaker 2: I think it's uh. I think Colburg is running like
Speaker 2: a show and then collecting.
Speaker 1: Tracking it all. That's right.
Speaker 5: Look, it's twenty twenty five. All bets are off, so
Speaker 5: we're passing me in World twenty twenty four. That certainly
Speaker 5: could be going on. I wouldn't I wouldn't rull it
Speaker 5: out I don't know why. It's not a bad idea,
Speaker 5: and that's exactly what he was focused on, right, analyzing
Speaker 5: the psychology of criminals and crime.
Speaker 2: All right, you want to go on to uh, who
Speaker 2: are we talking about again? Before we got on to
Speaker 2: co Broker probably.
Speaker 1: Said the McMartin false memory syndrome.
Speaker 5: Stuff in Hollywood's whitewashing the entire subject real quick with
Speaker 5: James Woods, mister right, twixter hero didn't start in the
Speaker 5: whitewashing of that.
Speaker 1: I think it was Oliver Stone.
Speaker 5: I think Oliver Stone directed it and James Wood start
Speaker 5: in it, and they completely actually are subjects.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen it, but I will tell you if
Speaker 3: you look at the Wikipedia for the McMartin preschool trials,
Speaker 3: it's nothing. Even if they they're like, oh well, you
Speaker 3: know that basically the parents didn't win against mc martin.
Speaker 3: You know, so no justice. None of these kids got
Speaker 3: any justice. And you know, if you look at the Wikipedia,
Speaker 3: it's like they didn't win the trial. So nothing to
Speaker 3: see here, folks, look away, look away, you know, let's
Speaker 3: part and that this didn't even happen. They used like
Speaker 3: some kind of ground penetrating radar later over the school
Speaker 3: grounds and they found collapse tunnels under the school and
Speaker 3: I think one person, independent researcher or independent investigator something
Speaker 3: dug down there and found like a Mickey Mouse lunch
Speaker 3: bag down in the collapse tunnels and shit. So it's
Speaker 3: like the kids, where how do you justify the false
Speaker 3: memory syndrome? Now there's actually fucking tunnels and actually fucking
Speaker 3: Mickey Mouse fucking lunch boxes down there.
Speaker 12: So it sounds like the Brooklyn Synagogue. Oh no, it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't when we brought when we talked about Barbara Snow,
Speaker 2: wasn't there also in some way she attached to Mormons.
Speaker 2: Wasn't that one of the reasons why she was brought up,
Speaker 2: like to the like the Elders of Zion or some
Speaker 2: shit like that, which was like some Mormon stuff.
Speaker 11: There we go with the Elders of Zion again some.
Speaker 2: Some stuff there was something like that with the Zion.
Speaker 2: I can't remember remember, but I do know that when
Speaker 2: she's been brought up twice on the Occult Rejects, one
Speaker 2: time it was because I was covering Mormons.
Speaker 3: So because of the the old Warren Jeff's thing like
Speaker 3: the Zion. Isn't that what he called it.
Speaker 2: I can't remember. It was like a rabbit hole. It
Speaker 2: was kind of like a thing that came off of
Speaker 2: like a topic, and it was just like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: and somehow it.
Speaker 1: Can believe be leave it, victims belave it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it might have been that. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: When boy had to go take that press conference and
Speaker 5: say he wasn't a cannibal and his wife didn't diddle
Speaker 5: kids and they didn't need kids, David leave it well.
Speaker 2: Didn't like he telling himself. He said the police are
Speaker 2: investigating him, and they're like, well, I actually we weren't
Speaker 2: until you just said all that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, no, and asked the questions like I don't need kids,
Speaker 5: and they're like, whoa, what's the weird thing?
Speaker 3: That's oddly specific?
Speaker 2: Yeah it was weird. Yeah. Yeah, it's like he rad
Speaker 2: it on himself.
Speaker 1: He did for sure.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, why would you say that? Of all
Speaker 3: the things, just like I don't need asparagus? Okay, neither
Speaker 3: to rye, but no, I don't need kids. That's what
Speaker 3: you went with. That's gonna suck. You totally sold me
Speaker 3: on it. You don't need kids, got it.
Speaker 2: Funny thing is that could be some slime bowl way
Speaker 2: that he got like like maybe some of the police
Speaker 2: force tipped them off and said, oh, they're going to
Speaker 2: charge you. So then he comes out and says that
Speaker 2: ship and then like, oh, well there's a probable cause,
Speaker 2: you know, saying like they could control them into doing that,
Speaker 2: and that gave them a reason to actually look into them,
Speaker 2: because I mean, they do she like the criminals. I
Speaker 2: mean they you know, I could see them doing that
Speaker 2: to their own Well.
Speaker 4: I think what's interesting is that Utah is not only
Speaker 4: the home of the Mormons, but it's also the home
Speaker 4: of a really vibrant new age scene. And new Age
Speaker 4: scene is that that's basically the release valve for the Mormons.
Speaker 4: So as soon as you run away from the Mormon
Speaker 4: temple and you lose all your family and stuff, you've
Speaker 4: got these Mormon controlled new Agers right there with open arms,
Speaker 4: ready to take you back into a new colt. So
Speaker 4: they opened both sides of this equation. And I think
Speaker 4: that really is symbolic of how most of these things
Speaker 4: are managed. Is that you've got the false memory syndrome foundation,
Speaker 4: and then you've got the new Agers that are implanting
Speaker 4: false memories. So at the intersection between the two, you
Speaker 4: can just see that. It's nothing but confusion, which is
Speaker 4: a really processed thing to do. You've got the you know,
Speaker 4: the Jesus side of the processed church and the devil
Speaker 4: side of the processed church.
Speaker 2: And that's Oh. I think the way Barbara Snow was
Speaker 2: connected is that they were saying that she was putting
Speaker 2: false memories of child Boless station into Mormon kids heads.
Speaker 3: Right into Mormon kids.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were saying all they really weren't touched. She
Speaker 2: put these things into their heads.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. If I've watched one documentary on Warren Jeff's,
Speaker 3: I've watched a fucking thousand of them, and that piece
Speaker 3: is shit. Ass motherfucker was fucking doing all kinds of stuff.
Speaker 3: There's no way they have false memory anything. Did you
Speaker 3: see his face. He looks like the end of a cigarette.
Speaker 3: He looks like a cigarette. He's disgusting. Okay, there's no
Speaker 3: like if you looked up just everyone in your mind,
Speaker 3: just imagine you're opening a dictionary and you're flipping to
Speaker 3: the word pedophile. Is a fucking picture of Lauren Jeff's Like,
Speaker 3: that is what I imagine a greasy, skinny, weird, disgusting, lyntic,
Speaker 3: but The crazy thing is, though, most of these pedophiles
Speaker 3: are like people you wouldn't even ever imagine, and that's
Speaker 3: how they get away with it for so long. Politicians, celebrities,
Speaker 3: people you love, people you look up to, people you idolize.
Speaker 3: They all end up being parts of this shit. Even
Speaker 3: your kids preschool teachers are part of it. I mean,
Speaker 3: think of that scary because you know, you always look
Speaker 3: for like the monster with like the drool like dripping
Speaker 3: from their things, but it's usually your kid's preschool teacher.
Speaker 3: And so one of the last things I had down
Speaker 3: in my notes that I wanted to talk to you
Speaker 3: guys about was something called the Country Walk Babysitting Service.
Speaker 3: I don't know if you guys are familiar with this
Speaker 3: at all.
Speaker 2: No, this is news to me. Nope, the first time on.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 7: Okay, well, somebody knows, Hey, we're doing all right as
Speaker 7: a society as long as one other person besides me
Speaker 7: knows about, which.
Speaker 8: Is business right Regiservice Disney.
Speaker 3: So there was this guy's name is Frank Fuster. Anybody
Speaker 3: can look this shit up, and there's receipts in program
Speaker 3: to kill on all this stuff. He was running a
Speaker 3: babysitting service with his wife out of his home in Florida.
Speaker 3: He was a twice convicted either raper or molester of
Speaker 3: some kind, and he was let out early on some
Speaker 3: kind of parole and decided to open this Country Walk
Speaker 3: babysitting service out of his house with his wife. Like
Speaker 3: I said, but it's like, is there no papers? You
Speaker 3: got a file to get some type of a like
Speaker 3: I work from home thing, and like I have a
Speaker 3: company out of my house. Like who's letting this guy
Speaker 3: who's been convicted twice and on parole of similar crimes
Speaker 3: around children, Like who's doing this? But I guess everything's fine.
Speaker 3: And he gets his license to open up this babysitting service,
Speaker 3: and guess what. The kids are coming home talking about
Speaker 3: how they have to cut cat's heads off, and how
Speaker 3: they're watching snuff films and how they're taking a pink
Speaker 3: drink like fucking Starbucks shit and fucking falling asleep and
Speaker 3: all this stuff is happening to them, and the parents,
Speaker 3: you know, try to sue or whatever. They don't get
Speaker 3: very far. And it comes out later that this Frank Foster.
Speaker 3: The Country Walk baby sitting Service is a subsidiary of
Speaker 3: Walt Disney company. And so this guy who's been twice
Speaker 3: convicted of similar crimes and is now raping and pedophiling
Speaker 3: his way through neighborhood kids is an employee of Walt Disney. Essentially.
Speaker 11: Wow, So I mean it's again Walt Disney.
Speaker 3: Right, you want to talk about some fucking raping, pedophiling
Speaker 3: weird shit there. I mean, I've covered Disney almost that nauseum.
Speaker 3: But he was, you know, involved with all those weird
Speaker 3: secret Germans and shit and fucking NASA stuff. And it's
Speaker 3: like the list of pedophiles in program to kill us
Speaker 3: so long. If I went through all of them, we'd
Speaker 3: have to be here for six more hours. But I
Speaker 3: don't think Disney was mentioned specifically, but Lewis Carroll was,
Speaker 3: and you know, Lewis Carroll's real name is Charles Dodgeson,
Speaker 3: and he was, you know, very influential to the pedophile crowd.
Speaker 3: And he used to take pictures of naked children and
Speaker 3: say that he was just studying them, and people were
Speaker 3: grossed out by it, so he started sketching them, and
Speaker 3: you know, he he's got all this stuff. Thank you, Suzanne,
Speaker 3: I fucking appreciate that. But you know, he's got all
Speaker 3: this stuff. This with the girl that was the inspiration
Speaker 3: for Alice in Wonderland. The real little girl's name was
Speaker 3: Alice Little And before the book even dropped, Lewis Carroll
Speaker 3: had been banned from the residents forever coming back there
Speaker 3: or being there near the children again. So you know,
Speaker 3: he clearly had some weird shit going on. I think
Speaker 3: if you really read the Walrus and the Carpenter poem,
Speaker 3: it's it's dank with suggestions about pedophilia. I mean, Lisa,
Speaker 3: you're shaking your head. I'm sure you know what I'm
Speaker 3: talking about.
Speaker 10: Nick and I have gone back and forth with the
Speaker 10: Lewis Carroll thing because he was a huge proponent of
Speaker 10: mirrorscript so he wrote a lot of things backwards because
Speaker 10: he had the iowass condition of like seeing things backwards
Speaker 10: or he would, you know, have that whole imaging thing,
Speaker 10: and that's where he gets the whole premise for doing
Speaker 10: things backwards in Alice in Wonderland. And there is speculation
Speaker 10: that he may have been keeping the company of certain
Speaker 10: occultists at the time. Whenever he was he was a
Speaker 10: quote unquote brilliant mathematician. He was very well respected in
Speaker 10: the academic setting, so to speak, which kind of brings
Speaker 10: it all back to when we talk about academics. We
Speaker 10: talk about Robert Maxwell, who was Gilamed Mactwell's dad, and
Speaker 10: how he had all of these academics under his umbrella
Speaker 10: as well, and we're talking about, you know, all kinds
Speaker 10: of scientists, and then we get the connection of scientists
Speaker 10: to pedophilia, scientists to mental manipulation, brain type of experimentation,
Speaker 10: and so to speak. But yes, Lewis Carroll and most
Speaker 10: of his poetry has kind of been censored from what
Speaker 10: I understand because of it. It's not very pretty.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, it's fucked up, is what it is.
Speaker 3: I think, Nick, go ahead.
Speaker 2: I do think Crowley ripped him off. He's another person
Speaker 2: that I think Crawley ripped off and reused for you know,
Speaker 2: I mean you could even say maybe some of his
Speaker 2: you know, creepy, perverted style shit could even be somewhere
Speaker 2: kind of like from Lewis Carrow. But I even think
Speaker 2: the Iowas I think that's I think he's I think
Speaker 2: he ripped off Iowas from Lewis cow Yeah.
Speaker 11: Because that's the name.
Speaker 3: Louis Carroll is is so interesting to me too. Sorry,
Speaker 3: go ahead, Lisa.
Speaker 10: No, no, no, I was just reiterating what Nick was saying,
Speaker 10: is that the actual syndrome is called Alice in Wonderland syndrome.
Speaker 10: And yeah, it's Iowas. You go to Crowley and he
Speaker 10: got all of his divination from a guy or a
Speaker 10: spirit named Iowas.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 3: Oh, that's crazy. I didn't know that shit. I knew
Speaker 3: about the Alice in Wonderlands. And though because I did
Speaker 3: like a thing about Disney, I think I don't know
Speaker 3: who I was talked to. But that's crazy, Like the
Speaker 3: there's an actual condition you can have called alics in
Speaker 3: Wonderland syndrome, and it's it's interesting to me that a
Speaker 3: Disney wanted to produce Alice in Wonderland. You know, John
Speaker 3: Lennon was obsessed with the guy. He had a fucking
Speaker 3: stiff one for fucking Lewis Carroll. And John Lennon said
Speaker 3: that if he ever had the chance, he would have
Speaker 3: been incestuous with his mother. So that's that's, you know,
Speaker 3: to take that for what it's worth. But these people
Speaker 3: who become obsessed with Louis Carroll are into some weird shit.
Speaker 3: And you know, Johnny Depp was in like the live
Speaker 3: action when that's perfect role for fucking his ass. And
Speaker 3: so if you look at the Alice in Wonderlan and
Speaker 3: actually before I forget, I just have to say this.
Speaker 3: When John Beney died, which is another episode, Nick, you
Speaker 3: already know this, but when John Beney died, there was
Speaker 3: these things that broke out in the nineties called the
Speaker 3: Wonderland Raids and they were going after pedophiles and they
Speaker 3: called them the Wonderland Raids. So I mean, like this
Speaker 3: whole tie in with Lewis Carroll, it's very I mean,
Speaker 3: it's crazy.
Speaker 2: One thing I want to mention too, just real quick
Speaker 2: that I remember just now when we call it covered
Speaker 2: the Fellowship of Friends. That's another old one that was
Speaker 2: when Lux was on the show. And I highly suggest
Speaker 2: people to go check that one out who were kind
Speaker 2: of new listeners. It's an old show, but it's really
Speaker 2: interesting cult that we covered. It's called the Fellowship of Friends,
Speaker 2: and we showed how there was a connection to them
Speaker 2: owning some like it was almost like a kid's type
Speaker 2: of pod school and it was called Lewis Carroll School.
Speaker 2: We were like, yo, that's a little weird.
Speaker 1: That's pretty creepy.
Speaker 2: It was.
Speaker 5: Carol definitely hung around with a lot of other pedophiles too,
Speaker 5: like uh, roll Doll, the author Roll Doll.
Speaker 1: You know, Willie won't control of the chocolate factory.
Speaker 3: Pedophile too.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, and that story he has the kids eat
Speaker 5: the snosberries and in the in the Wonkle factory. Right
Speaker 5: in one of these books he describes he describes Snosberry's
Speaker 5: as being dicks.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, damn.
Speaker 1: Fun doesn't even really try to hide it.
Speaker 12: Did he witches too.
Speaker 3: By j by the way, fucking asshole?
Speaker 1: Yeah right, man Disney.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And honestly, that book is creepy as fuck, which
Speaker 6: is I'm just saying.
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, you know, Johnny Depp's got ties to
Speaker 3: all these fucking weirdos, fucking Marilyn Manson and ship.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I think I think the real innovation behind Lewis
Speaker 4: Carroll and the and the children's books that are like
Speaker 4: that is that it creates this liminal space between what
Speaker 4: is understandable and what makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. And
Speaker 4: so what what it does is it creates a patterning
Speaker 4: in the kid's mind that there's a place that they
Speaker 4: might end up where they don't understand anything, and if
Speaker 4: they just play along that they can get out of it.
Speaker 4: And if you if you look at like the Mad
Speaker 4: Hatter and all these other things, these are not you know,
Speaker 4: stable people, which would you know, be representative of all
Speaker 4: of the pedophiles that they might come into contact with.
Speaker 4: And everybody is off. Everybody has something strange about them.
Speaker 4: Everybody has something that makes them unique and interesting and weird.
Speaker 4: And in showing these kids these these patterns, you can
Speaker 4: actually use this as sort of like a background trigger.
Speaker 4: So if if something's going on that the kid doesn't understand,
Speaker 4: they go back into the into the rabbit hole, you know,
Speaker 4: and they're not really in that sort of conscious frame
Speaker 4: of mind that would normally give them the ability to,
Speaker 4: you know, say, you know, enough is enough. So if
Speaker 4: that's if that's the pattern, you can look at stories
Speaker 4: like Pinocchio and all these other ones where it sort
Speaker 4: of takes them outside of the norm and puts them
Speaker 4: into a thoroughly confusing place and then somehow at the
Speaker 4: end of it they can come back into reality to
Speaker 4: make it sort of obscure from anybody else who would
Speaker 4: be looking into the patterns of abuse.
Speaker 3: I mean, you hit it right on because I've done
Speaker 3: a lot of research on SRA. I got a friend
Speaker 3: in podcasting. His name is Sean McCann. Sure you guys
Speaker 3: know who he is. He has to Wake the Dead podcast.
Speaker 3: He does a lot of research into SRA. And the
Speaker 3: thing is they use movies like Alice in Wonderland. I
Speaker 3: think the og in my opinion is the Wizard of Oz,
Speaker 3: But they use films like this to trigger dissociative states
Speaker 3: in children as they're going through serious trauma, usually sexual trauma,
Speaker 3: so they almost send the kid down the rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: That's like the dissociative state like Paul Banasi talks about,
Speaker 3: and a lot of these survivors talk about, is basically like,
Speaker 3: you know, you have a trigger in some type of
Speaker 3: phrase something like that, and you go to this disassociative state.
Speaker 3: But in order to do that, you have to go
Speaker 3: through pretty serious trauma. And I mean Paul Banasi had
Speaker 3: like fucking I don't even know how many personalities, like
Speaker 3: twenty or something like that, So you can imagine what
Speaker 3: they would have to do to a person to get
Speaker 3: twenty alter personalities into one person. You know, and there's
Speaker 3: even people who have come out and said, like, Barbie
Speaker 3: dolls have played a really big role in traumatizing and
Speaker 3: disassociating girls because they take a Barbie doll, which is
Speaker 3: a whole other episode in and of itself, but they
Speaker 3: take like a Barbie and they're like, you're not Teresa tonight,
Speaker 3: you're Britney, and you know, it's like a trigger for them,
Speaker 3: and they go to somewhere else and then Britney comes
Speaker 3: out and gets raped and then you know, Teresa comes
Speaker 3: back later and has no idea what happened. That's the
Speaker 3: type of shit that they do. That's what they work on.
Speaker 3: I don't think you know, the mind control aspect of
Speaker 3: it and the personality aspect of it. It's hard for
Speaker 3: some people to believe, but they probably have it down
Speaker 3: to a science and it probably didn't take them that
Speaker 3: long to figure it out. And now it's just a process.
Speaker 3: It's like we're getting at a factory pumping out fucking
Speaker 3: you know whatever. So like they just bring the kids in,
Speaker 3: they do this to them next. It's a process and
Speaker 3: they have it down to a science, like it's easy
Speaker 3: to do this at this point, what do you guys think.
Speaker 1: It might be? The process oh right, right process.
Speaker 4: In my opinion, I've had some I've had friends who
Speaker 4: have had d I D before, and what ends up
Speaker 4: happening is you'll have a single traumatizing event that the
Speaker 4: kid cannot come to grips to, and so as a
Speaker 4: self defense mechanism, the mind splits off and creates another
Speaker 4: sort of personality that will protect that original personality from
Speaker 4: anybody harming it again. Because at the very core of
Speaker 4: this whole thing is the idea that the mind will
Speaker 4: protect the ego that started and it'll do so by
Speaker 4: creating these personalities. So Paul Bonacci, he could still be uh,
Speaker 4: you know, spiraling off these other personalities as a as
Speaker 4: a method of keeping that original safe from anybody harming
Speaker 4: it again. Because the one thing that the mind can
Speaker 4: control is the thing that the body can't control, you know,
Speaker 4: if you can control your mind, And that's that's what
Speaker 4: this all goes into. Is if they can create these
Speaker 4: personalities that are hyper reactive and hyper aggressive, then they
Speaker 4: can use those other personalities to then carry out things
Speaker 4: that the normal personality would never dream of.
Speaker 3: Doing, like a Venturian candidate type ship, right, mm hmmm.
Speaker 2: Anything else.
Speaker 8: That's the whole thing with.
Speaker 9: Oh go ahead, Mike, I'm just gonna say that's the
Speaker 9: whole thing with the satanism. I mean they might not
Speaker 9: believe it, but why is the intelligence involved in him?
Speaker 8: Does it work?
Speaker 2: Why is it effective?
Speaker 9: It's because it's so evil, it's so insane that the
Speaker 9: child can't comprehend it. I mean, son cats heads off
Speaker 9: is just the beginning. So that's why they do it,
Speaker 9: is because it's so terrible and it's so scary that
Speaker 9: the kid will just completely shut off mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And only oh god, it is an exact science, so
Speaker 4: they need a constant stream of victims until they can
Speaker 4: find the kids that can be influenced into creating these
Speaker 4: alternate personalities. So it's it's even sicker when you think
Speaker 4: about the factory level or the industrial level that they're
Speaker 4: doing this child abuse on to try and find one
Speaker 4: or two of these individuals that can then be influenced
Speaker 4: to harm other people using these alternate personalities.
Speaker 3: Mmmmm yeah. I mean it's definitely satanic, because I mean,
Speaker 3: if you think it it was, like Mike's saying, I've
Speaker 3: always said, like wherever on the spectrum you are, if
Speaker 3: you're like Christian atheist, agnostic whatever, you have to admit
Speaker 3: that they're doing this shit, and they got to be
Speaker 3: seeing results because they just keep doing it and keep
Speaker 3: doing it and keep doing it into varying degrees of horribleness.
Speaker 3: So I mean, if these satanic rituals are working, which
Speaker 3: they must be because they keep doing them, if there's
Speaker 3: a bad, then there's a good. And that is what
Speaker 3: I always try to remind people about, Like there's some
Speaker 3: really fucked up shit, but at least, thank god, there's
Speaker 3: also a good bite of the world. You know.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well even a lot of exercist did you talk
Speaker 6: about that? Where like that's the moment that sort of
Speaker 6: gives permission for like an entity to enter is like
Speaker 6: through trauma, you know, so that's when you get d
Speaker 6: id bipolar. Like, not all mental illness is actually mental illness.
Speaker 6: This is sometimes a spiritual problem or a trauma based problem, unfortunately.
Speaker 6: So like you know, we all know people who've been
Speaker 6: probably abused in our lives, and it's like that they
Speaker 6: didn't go through a specific program, but that shit still
Speaker 6: happened to them, right or even like us just watching
Speaker 6: these films, like even as a kid, I hated The
Speaker 6: Wizard of Us I didn't know why.
Speaker 12: I just really fucking hate that movie.
Speaker 6: But then it's like somebody, some adult, is telling you,
Speaker 6: this is a great movie. You're gonna love it. Sit
Speaker 6: and watch it, and you're like, I feel so uncomfortable
Speaker 6: the entire time, but you're like, this is good for you.
Speaker 6: You're gonna love it. Or read The Witches it's a
Speaker 6: great book. No, actually that book is shitty and it's
Speaker 6: very uncomfortable.
Speaker 12: So it's like you.
Speaker 6: Are already being taught to sit through discomfort and be like, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's okay, Like this is good for you, and you're like, so,
Speaker 6: it's like we're all being mildly traumatized, like on a
Speaker 6: mass scale regardless, you know.
Speaker 3: Fucking yeah, or he said one hundred fucking I actually
Speaker 3: you know, And they say, oh, it's for kids. Look,
Speaker 3: it's made just for you. You're gonna love this. It's
Speaker 3: a kids movie. Fucking half of the half of the
Speaker 3: Disney shit is got Like if you watch it as
Speaker 3: an adult, you're like, is this really for fucking kids?
Speaker 12: Yo?
Speaker 6: Well a movie, a movie just came out this Christmas.
Speaker 6: It was all over streaming Deer stand up with Jack Black.
Speaker 3: Oh they walk off.
Speaker 6: I watched it by my kids were like my older
Speaker 6: one was like halfway through, He's like, should we really
Speaker 6: be watching this?
Speaker 12: And I was like, no, you can turn it around.
Speaker 12: I was like, this is fucked up.
Speaker 3: It's basically fucking literally Satan literally running around and he's
Speaker 3: like making friends with him, like he's a fucking leprechaun
Speaker 3: or some shit, like, oh, let me take you to school?
Speaker 3: Is show it hell day, everybody. This is my friend
Speaker 3: fucking Satan icondrids. This is what kids are watching. This
Speaker 3: is the kids Christmas maybe.
Speaker 6: Now, Amy say, like a normy family, so like not
Speaker 6: to like put my relatives under the bus, but like
Speaker 6: my sister in law was.
Speaker 12: Like, oh yeah, the kids thought it was so funny,
Speaker 12: it was so cute. And I was like, are you fucked.
Speaker 3: It's the devil. It's literally the.
Speaker 6: This isn't Cutelet's make friends with the devil and like
Speaker 6: he's funny.
Speaker 12: Jack Black guy. You know, I don't know.
Speaker 3: I love Jack Black. I really that he fucking did
Speaker 3: that Ship's ray for God's sake, you know, fucking.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it was weird. Sorry I digress.
Speaker 10: One thing I was going to say, just to insert
Speaker 10: real quick, is that when I went to go do
Speaker 10: a quick study of some of Croly stuff at the
Speaker 10: UT Library. They have I think a majority of his
Speaker 10: estate there.
Speaker 11: At the UT Library.
Speaker 10: You know what other estate they also have the Lewis
Speaker 10: Carroll one, oh shit, which I found interested because I
Speaker 10: was there whatever and they were like, oh, are you
Speaker 10: doing a biography And I was like, oh, I'm just
Speaker 10: doing a quick study and they're like oh, They're like,
Speaker 10: we're really excited. We just got the Lewis Carroll estate whatever.
Speaker 10: And I was like, well, that's random.
Speaker 3: The Lewis Carroll estate.
Speaker 10: Well, like part of his books, some of the paintings, oh, biographies,
Speaker 10: I mean a journals. That guy literally thought it was
Speaker 10: just how They also mentioned that and I was like, yeah,
Speaker 10: people have also not only come to see Crawley but
Speaker 10: also looks at Lewis Carroll at the same time.
Speaker 11: I don't know, I mean just it was just very random.
Speaker 3: Well, Lewis Carroll is fucking he's fucking you know he Sorry,
Speaker 3: I had just have to say this. He was sketching
Speaker 3: naked kids, like fucking Leo and fucking the Titanic type shit,
Speaker 3: and like fucking sketching them laying on couches and shit
Speaker 3: fucking naked. So everybody who thinks like his all separate
Speaker 3: the art from the artist. Some shit, you cannot, Alison
Speaker 3: Wonderland your way out of just saying.
Speaker 9: Right?
Speaker 4: And what are the deep patterning techniques that Disney movies
Speaker 4: use is the death of the parents at the beginning
Speaker 4: of the movie, so automatically it becomes a traumatizing event
Speaker 4: that then the kids sort of like, you know, are like,
Speaker 4: where's where's my stability, where's my you know, stasis point?
Speaker 4: And once they've you know, symbolically in the movie taken
Speaker 4: the protagonist's parents away, that's when things start to happen
Speaker 4: to that character. That then sort of compounds into this
Speaker 4: storyline where then they have to make sense of this
Speaker 4: event and on a subconscious level, it can be very
Speaker 4: traumatic for the kids, and they're always doing it in
Speaker 4: these Disney movies like Bambi and several others. It's like
Speaker 4: the parents die right off the bat, and so the
Speaker 4: kids feel without any security, even if they're not really
Speaker 4: paying attention to the movie. That's something that sort of
Speaker 4: pops up in the background. How many times the kids
Speaker 4: watch these Disney movies over and over.
Speaker 3: Again, you know, Yeah, I've frozen. The parents are dead too,
Speaker 3: but it almost like normalizes the child to be okay
Speaker 3: with the parents not being around, and it also kind
Speaker 3: of conditions the kid to think, like, oh, all the
Speaker 3: fun happens when the parents aren't around, because you know,
Speaker 3: it's always like, oh, my fucking parents died and then
Speaker 3: I fucking went on this amazing adventure and fucking did
Speaker 3: all this shit. Thank god my parents died at the
Speaker 3: beginning so I could do all this fucking Peter Panning
Speaker 3: shit or whatever. It is not Peter Pants specifically, but
Speaker 3: you get the idea they program the kids into thinking
Speaker 3: that's when the fun stuff happens. You don't need mom
Speaker 3: and dad. They're dead to you. Like that's that's important
Speaker 3: to put in there at an early age.
Speaker 4: Peter Pant specifically, the freest, most awesome hero ever is
Speaker 4: an orphan who lives in this land that has no time,
Speaker 4: so it's it's still that safe.
Speaker 3: It's like kids watch that, they're like, fucking sign me up,
Speaker 3: fucking make me an orphan right now. I want to
Speaker 3: go do it and be fucking Captain hook and shit.
Speaker 3: But even like the Goonies, where the fuck is the
Speaker 3: parents when the goonies is happening. We're literally like, where
Speaker 3: the fuck are the parents? But that's what they want
Speaker 3: you to think that, they want you to find One
Speaker 3: Eyed Willie's treasure just when your parents are around. What
Speaker 3: do you think about it?
Speaker 8: You can do?
Speaker 12: He breaks the He breaks the statue in the beginning
Speaker 12: of the movie too.
Speaker 3: What in the guns? Yes, you know he falls on
Speaker 3: the one Eyed Willie.
Speaker 6: No, I never never made that connection till right now,
Speaker 6: Thanks Julia.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well thanks no to Spielberg, because that motherfucker is
Speaker 3: up to some ship.
Speaker 5: But like.
Speaker 3: You know, speaking to Spielberg, he's not mentioned in Program
Speaker 3: to Kill Her anything, but somebody ought to add him
Speaker 3: to a list of pedophiles because I'm so sure. I mean,
Speaker 3: look at his fucking cast of characters. He's got Heather
Speaker 3: or Rourke disteriously and there's all this these stories about
Speaker 3: what really happened to her, Drew Barrymore, she's pretty fucked
Speaker 3: up if you ask me, and if you if you've
Speaker 3: got her to say the truth, she'd probably tell you
Speaker 3: all kinds of stuff. I mean, he literally only makes
Speaker 3: movie where it's focused around kids, or there's like a
Speaker 3: lot of kids in it, or some shit like that.
Speaker 3: I literally I don't know the guy from uh Back
Speaker 3: to the Future, the guy that played Michael J. Fox's dad,
Speaker 3: His name is Crispin Glover. He wrote this big, long
Speaker 3: thing to Steven Spielberg like why do you touch kids?
Speaker 3: Why do you have kids in scenes with shit and
Speaker 3: piss all over them? And why do you and like,
Speaker 3: you guys need to go look it up. Crispin Glover
Speaker 3: he wrote this whole thing to Headless. You're nodding, do
Speaker 3: you know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 4: It's horrendous and nobody paid any attention to it. After that,
Speaker 4: it's like, oh, Crispin Glover, he's a crazy guy. But
Speaker 4: it's like, dude, he's making very specific allegations against one
Speaker 4: of these untouchable directors. And if you notice a lot
Speaker 4: of the directors that got you know, in trouble on
Speaker 4: Twitter for all these pedophilia uh statements, they're like Hollywood's
Speaker 4: favorite directors. You know. The guy who directed he got
Speaker 4: in trouble for all these pedophilic statements. And you know
Speaker 4: what happened to him? Nothing? You know, James gone again.
Speaker 1: He got promoted, can say it, but nobody does anything.
Speaker 1: No promoted.
Speaker 3: He got promoted.
Speaker 1: Congratulations, you're a pedophile. You're the CEO of Marvel.
Speaker 12: Wow. That Dan Schneider guy too, right, what did he
Speaker 12: say something?
Speaker 5: Oh?
Speaker 3: Oh, I was thinking about the guy that's in all
Speaker 3: the Happy Gilmore and all that shit. Weird. What's his name?
Speaker 12: Steve?
Speaker 3: No, don't say Steve.
Speaker 4: Dan Schneider character would have hot up parties with people
Speaker 4: in the.
Speaker 3: Cast and like, yeah he would, he would.
Speaker 4: He had a foot oub session and you can see
Speaker 4: what happened to one of his most famous stars. What's
Speaker 4: what's her name? The the one that's basically living on
Speaker 4: the streets now.
Speaker 3: She had her own show, Amandes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I.
Speaker 1: Love She also became best friends with J. J.
Speaker 5: Bryan, the head of one of the process cold off shoots,
Speaker 5: So I.
Speaker 1: Really think a lot of her down on. It may
Speaker 1: include Dan Schneider.
Speaker 5: But it also includes the processed Church of Amanda Vines.
Speaker 6: Is Dan Schneider also the one involved with Britney Spears'
Speaker 6: sister Jamie.
Speaker 3: Ly Zoey or show called Zoe Want.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I don't know that name of the show, but I
Speaker 12: think I don't.
Speaker 1: Rumor to be the dad right.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's like her baby daddy or whatever that's weird.
Speaker 6: And then yeah, the Nickelodeon logo is the foot well
Speaker 6: for the longest time back in the day.
Speaker 3: But I mean, if you think about it, there are
Speaker 3: other actors who have tried to come out and say
Speaker 3: stuff like this, this Crisp and Glover guy, and it's
Speaker 3: like they get this and they're reading it and they're like, oh,
Speaker 3: who the fuck are you the dad from fucking Back
Speaker 3: to the Future. Fuck you, Like, oh, because you're not
Speaker 3: the fucking level of star or something like you can't
Speaker 3: be taken for your yeah, for your word or what
Speaker 3: I mean. But I mean, Steven Spielberg, I don't know
Speaker 3: if you guys have heard about what could have possibly
Speaker 3: happened to Heather or Roork, but he's a fucking douche packer, right.
Speaker 4: Uh was that Poltergeist?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've heard some, yeah, you know theories.
Speaker 6: I think the girl the young actors from Jurassic Park,
Speaker 6: the original one played the granddaughter. She also came out
Speaker 6: and said stuff about Spielberger, and she like refuses to
Speaker 6: go to any like cast like you know, get togethers
Speaker 6: or do any interviews.
Speaker 12: Nothing. She was a one and done, one and done
Speaker 12: movie after that because of Spielberg.
Speaker 3: Wow, I mean think about that. That that's fucking nuts,
Speaker 3: and like it's still you know, I hate to say this,
Speaker 3: but some of them, the people that we idolize the most,
Speaker 3: that we hold on some type of pedestal that like,
Speaker 3: they're all usually involved in some weird shit like this,
Speaker 3: And I mean that's pretty much so for for the
Speaker 3: first part of Program to Kill, that's pretty much what
Speaker 3: he goes into, are these pedophile rings and stuff. And
Speaker 3: I know it's hard to believe, and I know it's gross,
Speaker 3: and I know it's hard to talk about, and people,
Speaker 3: you know, dramatize shit sometimes, but if you're gonna reap
Speaker 3: Graham to Kill, this is very important information. And I
Speaker 3: think that the first like I said, I think it's
Speaker 3: like ten chapters or something about these pedophile rings. Nothing
Speaker 3: else will make sense to you about the rest of
Speaker 3: the book unless you understand this first. And it's like
Speaker 3: our government is and other governments are run by pedophiles
Speaker 3: and serial killers.
Speaker 8: And it goes back a long time.
Speaker 9: Benjamin Franklin had little kids buried in his yard. I
Speaker 9: mean they just excavated his house and fountain stuff like that.
Speaker 9: He was in the hell Fire Club, so it seems
Speaker 9: like this has been the way for a long time too.
Speaker 3: Oh for sure.
Speaker 2: Is there anything anybody else wanted to bring up.
Speaker 4: Well about the serial killer tip? It's so interesting, He
Speaker 4: points out in the book that all of these serial
Speaker 4: killers are connected to high level politics. You've got oh man,
Speaker 4: I'm blanking on his name. They got you dressed up
Speaker 4: like a clown.
Speaker 3: John Wayne Gacy, Yeah.
Speaker 4: John Wayne Gacy taking pictures with Carter's wife at the
Speaker 4: White House, and nobody seems to ask any questions about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Ted Bundy was real high up into politics. Jeffrey Dahmer. Military.
Speaker 3: A lot of these serial killers are military, the ones
Speaker 3: that like to collect bodies and like fucking necrofile them
Speaker 3: and split them up into pieces and shit. They're usually
Speaker 3: turned out to be military. And one question that I
Speaker 3: did want to ask you guys before we kind of
Speaker 3: sum everything up was I recently spoke with a guest
Speaker 3: and he asked me this question, and it's been lingering
Speaker 3: with me, but he said, what what do you think
Speaker 3: about the possibility that a lot of these high level
Speaker 3: politicians or actresses, musicians, whatever, serial killers they're all just characters, right.
Speaker 3: They play this character of Ted Bundy, the mass murderer
Speaker 3: that killed all these girls, and the real person who's
Speaker 3: playing Ted Bundy, his name might not even be Ted Bundy,
Speaker 3: but he's just playing the role of the serial killer.
Speaker 3: And a lot of these victims could be fake and staged.
Speaker 3: Some of them could be real murders, but it's all
Speaker 3: just like a big show because at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, you can't convict Ted Bundy of murder because
Speaker 3: Ted Bundy doesn't exist. That's a character, right, So the
Speaker 3: person who's committing all these crimes doesn't exist. And so
Speaker 3: the same thing with the pedophile stuff. It's like, if
Speaker 3: they're just a character playing a role, then they can
Speaker 3: do any crime anyway they want to do it, pedophile
Speaker 3: as many kids as they want, because they're just a
Speaker 3: character and they don't exist. It's an interesting thought.
Speaker 4: I agree. I think that can be part of it.
Speaker 4: I think one of the benefits of the serial killer
Speaker 4: phenomenon is that you can kill somebody who's really your
Speaker 4: target and they'll just get swept under the rug of
Speaker 4: this was just a random act by a serial killer
Speaker 4: who's going around, you know, terrorizing the place. So you
Speaker 4: can sneak a bunch of real targets for an establishment
Speaker 4: that wants to get rid of these people into the
Speaker 4: deck of all these random killings. And that's the difference.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean they're literally like employees. They're like characters
Speaker 3: in the CIA, and they get all these bitch and monikers, right,
Speaker 3: the Green River Killer, the fuck BTK, buying torture kill,
Speaker 3: like they get some kind of zodiac And so they're
Speaker 3: like characters. They're literally created and they're employed by the CIA,
Speaker 3: and there they don't the people behind these serial killers,
Speaker 3: like it's just a guy playing a part. Their part
Speaker 3: is the serial killer. They're supposed to murder these bitches
Speaker 3: because you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: I think they do that with other people besides.
Speaker 3: Politicians for sure. I mean, how many how many Joe
Speaker 3: Biden's have we seen? There's a tall one, a short one,
Speaker 3: one that has detached ear lobes, one that doesn't okay.
Speaker 1: I mean like.
Speaker 3: There's multiple characters playing the same role, or like multiple
Speaker 3: people playing the same character. So I think that it's
Speaker 3: true with celebrities. I think they swap bitches out. I
Speaker 3: think you know, goes across the board.
Speaker 6: So maybe we're all suffering from Alice in Wonderland syndrome.
Speaker 3: Maybe I wouldn't put it fast.
Speaker 10: Do you think that maybe could be a way of
Speaker 10: disguising contract killing.
Speaker 3: It definitely would be helpful, you know what I.
Speaker 10: Mean, Like if you kill a whole and then throw
Speaker 10: in one that you really needed killed plain but you
Speaker 10: only wanted one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it definitely. It definitely helps with the confusion because
Speaker 3: a lot of people, and this goes back to something
Speaker 3: we spoke about earlier in the episode, a lot of
Speaker 3: people have done some interesting research that the Zodiac killer
Speaker 3: was Michael Achino, and there's all these military boot prints
Speaker 3: found on all the Zodiac victims crime scenes, and they
Speaker 3: describe him as being clean cut, crew cut, military style,
Speaker 3: this and that. And one of the victims was killed
Speaker 3: very close to the Presidio area, the cab driver. There
Speaker 3: was some kids that called in to the police and
Speaker 3: gave a description of the assailant, and instead of giving
Speaker 3: the truthful description, they said, there's a freaking black guy
Speaker 3: running around with a gun. Somebody come and get him.
Speaker 3: He just shot a cab driver. What they didn't even
Speaker 3: give the actual description that the kids had provided to
Speaker 3: the police. So they were at a wild goose chase
Speaker 3: chasing a black guy that didn't exist, while Michael Lakino's
Speaker 3: probably getting off fucking you know, out of sight.
Speaker 10: Well, i'll plug one of your first episodes with PTK.
Speaker 10: You mentioned Hinckley and how he supposedly confessed to what
Speaker 10: three to six hundred murders or something like that, but
Speaker 10: that in reality and then he got off right, Bush
Speaker 10: pardoned him, But in reality there was no real evidence
Speaker 10: pointing to his death. And they think that maybe he
Speaker 10: was confessing and he was giving actual evidence and it
Speaker 10: allowed for them to close cases, but that maybe perhaps
Speaker 10: he was being fed the information on these crimes and
Speaker 10: he was just gonna sit down for a while.
Speaker 11: You know, no, serial killers.
Speaker 10: Themselves may not be, like you said, the actual person
Speaker 10: doing it, but just a character that is playing the
Speaker 10: part in it to allow for everything else to be
Speaker 10: swept under the rug, and no one is the wiser.
Speaker 3: Well, Lisa, did you see something on Netflix called The
Speaker 3: Confession Killer?
Speaker 11: I have not yet.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well, it's about it's just like what you were saying.
Speaker 3: It's about Henry Lee Lucas. They called him the confession Killer. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 3: I was gonna say Henry Lee, like this guy's a
Speaker 3: fucking enigma. This guy. They could say, we'll give you
Speaker 3: a happy meal box in two strawberry milkshakes if you
Speaker 3: say you did these five crimes, and he'd be like, okay.
Speaker 3: And it was like Lisa was saying, he admitted can
Speaker 3: Fest to a number of murders that he probably wasn't
Speaker 3: even in town, in the state, in the fucking country
Speaker 3: when they happened, but he would admit to it as
Speaker 3: long they'd be like, hey, we'll get you some cigarettes,
Speaker 3: We'll get you a fucking biscuits and gravy. What do
Speaker 3: you want and they bring it into him and then
Speaker 3: he would just start confessing shit and and so.
Speaker 11: Stuff like legit evidence. How would he if he wasn't
Speaker 11: part of it?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 3: And he did say Henry Lee Lucas did say that
Speaker 3: he uh was trained by a military group that was
Speaker 3: involved with the Death Death Hand of Death is what
Speaker 3: he called it, and they were training serial killers essentially.
Speaker 3: That's what Henry Lee Lucas said. I mean, it's fucking wild,
Speaker 3: and I mean it. I really do think that a
Speaker 3: lot of these guys are just playing the role of
Speaker 3: the serial killer and there's somebody else that's doing a
Speaker 3: lot of these murderous things, and then it's just getting
Speaker 3: blamed on one person. When we get into it a
Speaker 3: little bit further, I want to talk about it more
Speaker 3: depth in like a future episode. But some of these crimes,
Speaker 3: you guys, like with gaycy Even and Bundy, like it's
Speaker 3: not even possible for them to have gotten from one
Speaker 3: crime scene to the other in the allotted amount of
Speaker 3: time that they say it happened. It's like Ted Bundy
Speaker 3: abducted this girl and this girl they live seven thousand
Speaker 3: miles apart, but he got there in fifteen minutes and
Speaker 3: he killed both of them, and they're both Bundy victims,
Speaker 3: and it's like, what the fuck? Slow down, Like this
Speaker 3: is not making sense. So these serial killers, politicians, celebrities, whatever,
Speaker 3: they're usually characters playing a role, and they happen to
Speaker 3: be murderous, psychopathic pedophiles most of the time. But I
Speaker 3: don't know what you guys think about it.
Speaker 2: I think so well, it goes sure. I think there's
Speaker 2: sure some stuff goes on like that.
Speaker 4: I think it goes to the multiple faceted aspect of
Speaker 4: these serial killers. So you've got these police who are
Speaker 4: looking to close as many cases as possible to make
Speaker 4: themselves look good and try and take all this evidence
Speaker 4: and plant it on one guy so that, well, now
Speaker 4: our closure rate is back up to what like seventy
Speaker 4: percent or whatever they what they claim. I know, like
Speaker 4: a third of the murders that happen in the country
Speaker 4: go unsolved, so they have to have a serial killer
Speaker 4: to sort of base all of their stuff on because
Speaker 4: makes them seem more competent than they are. And then
Speaker 4: you know, at the same time, you've got the fear,
Speaker 4: and the fear is what produces this response of people
Speaker 4: that gets them to look to the government as being
Speaker 4: the answers, because you know, we're all a bunch of toddlers. Basically,
Speaker 4: we can't do anything for ourselves, right.
Speaker 3: And I do think there are some grassroots just psychopathic
Speaker 3: murdering people out there. You know, I've watched true crime
Speaker 3: shows since I was like ten years old.
Speaker 12: I get it.
Speaker 3: There are actual psychopaths that actually fucking murder their pregnant
Speaker 3: wives and shit like Scott Peterson. And there's actually fucking
Speaker 3: pieces of shit out there that are murdering. But these
Speaker 3: ones that get turned into superstars and get Netflix shows
Speaker 3: based on them. Gacy Dahmer, Bundy zac Efron playing Bundy.
Speaker 3: Are you serious? They got the kid from from American
Speaker 3: Horror Story playing Dahmer. They're making celebs out of them
Speaker 3: because they're homegrown. They're proud of what they've done, and
Speaker 3: they're proud of the fact that they're getting one over
Speaker 3: on everyone. And you know, I just think it's so interconnected,
Speaker 3: and at the root of all of this is usually
Speaker 3: Satanism and doing stuff to kids. I mean, like that's
Speaker 3: the sad truth of it. Even these a lot of
Speaker 3: these gaycy victims and shit, it's like, I mean, he
Speaker 3: wasn't even in town for a couple of them. So
Speaker 3: it's like, why why do they always they're always needing
Speaker 3: young men and children and doing weird stuff with them,
Speaker 3: Like it just I don't.
Speaker 10: Know one more thing I wanted to insert because it
Speaker 10: just occurred to me what you just said. So these
Speaker 10: profiling of these serial killers that gave them their names,
Speaker 10: that gave them their fame, so to speak, is the
Speaker 10: behavioral science the what is it, the behavioral forensic science
Speaker 10: unit of the FBI. Ready, those people are already you know,
Speaker 10: questionable in of them themselves. I think the Netflix documentary
Speaker 10: or the series or whatever. I thought it was great.
Speaker 10: I thought it was great acting, whatever. But yes, it
Speaker 10: is a promo for the FBI.
Speaker 11: For sure.
Speaker 10: I wanted to sign up. Let's just put it that way.
Speaker 10: It was that well done. But now we see how
Speaker 10: the FBI knows every single school shooter or mass shooter,
Speaker 10: and they were always on their radar list. What's not
Speaker 10: to say that they didn't know about these people before
Speaker 10: they were serial killing? Like it's just a trend. It's
Speaker 10: like we've now moved on from the serial killing and
Speaker 10: we are now embracing the mass shooter you know era.
Speaker 3: Of the FBI, right, because it feels like just when
Speaker 3: one thing is ending, something else pops back up. So,
Speaker 3: for example, when the Zodiac murders had quieted down and
Speaker 3: people were getting back to normal, Ted Bundy got on
Speaker 3: a plane, flew to San Francisco, where the Zodiac murders
Speaker 3: were occurring, did something unknown there, flew back to Seattle,
Speaker 3: and then became Ted Bundy and started fucking murdering bitches
Speaker 3: all up and down the coast. So Zodiac ended, Ted
Speaker 3: Bundy started. There's a lot of fucking shit I'll talk
Speaker 3: about in upcoming episodes that's really fucking suspect about him
Speaker 3: even being a murderous killer, and you know it's it's
Speaker 3: like it's really easy for them to get us through
Speaker 3: social media and Netflix documentaries and true crime shows, to
Speaker 3: accept a specific narrative and just say, Yep, that's the
Speaker 3: bad guy. We got him, he died, fucked him, and
Speaker 3: just be done with it, because nobody wants to think
Speaker 3: the bad guy got away. Nobody wants to think like, oh,
Speaker 3: the actual serial killers who were murdering all those bitches
Speaker 3: is still out there. I don't want to think that.
Speaker 3: So they're happy to pin all this shit on one
Speaker 3: character just to be done with it, right.
Speaker 4: And you can see where it messes up to like
Speaker 4: the Gilgo Beach murderers, Like clearly you could really you know,
Speaker 4: capitalize off of this serial killer who's dumping all these
Speaker 4: bodies in the beach. But then once they realized, oh,
Speaker 4: this points directly back to the police, they had to
Speaker 4: kind of scale it back and make everybody forget. So
Speaker 4: you can see these patterns of you know, how they
Speaker 4: try to make these narratives, then the narrative falls apart,
Speaker 4: and then everybody forgets about it, you know mm hm.
Speaker 3: And you know the whole introduction of the serial killer
Speaker 3: went down in the nineteen sixties, in my opinion, the
Speaker 3: same time they started the counterculture movement, the same time
Speaker 3: they started up all this Laurel Canyon shit with the
Speaker 3: fucking you know, military kids becoming star musicians, and it's like,
Speaker 3: what a fucking time to be alive, Like in the
Speaker 3: middle of the sixties when you're getting introduced to counter culture.
Speaker 3: Jim Morrison, fucking if you can't love the one you want,
Speaker 3: love the one you're with, don't take birth control, fucking
Speaker 3: grow your fucking armpit, hair out, and serial killers. I mean,
Speaker 3: they're in one breath telling women to become liberated and
Speaker 3: do stuff on their own and like break free and
Speaker 3: do all this, and at the same time they got
Speaker 3: a guy murdering all the women who are doing those
Speaker 3: things by design.
Speaker 4: I think it's so important to look at the Manson
Speaker 4: family as being the sort of prototype of the serial
Speaker 4: killer model that they used over and over again, because
Speaker 4: you've got this guy who supposedly had a lot of charisma,
Speaker 4: who was clearly on the FBI or CIA radar, who
Speaker 4: was working with a lot of these guys. I mean,
Speaker 4: that's something that Dave McGowan goes into detail and the
Speaker 4: weird scenes of the canyon, and he's just connected to
Speaker 4: so many different people inside of this scene that once
Speaker 4: you put the pieces together, you can't unsee it. And
Speaker 4: you know, meanwhile, Charles Manson never killed anybody, you know,
Speaker 4: is the serial killer like model poster boy, And it's
Speaker 4: almost like that actor thing, like he played the perfect
Speaker 4: role for them to use as a springboard into all
Speaker 4: these other areas.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think Charles Manson is a character that he's playing.
Speaker 3: I mean, he was mk ultred, he was you know,
Speaker 3: he Oh my god. And like the new series that
Speaker 3: I'm working on called Blood Ties, I go into it
Speaker 3: in a little bit more detail about Charles Manson. But
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm starting to think, in my personal fucking
Speaker 3: opinion that Polanski was probably pulling the strings behind that
Speaker 3: whole shit, and he got out of town so it
Speaker 3: couldn't look like him. Oh I'm out of town shooting
Speaker 3: a movie while my pregnant wife and all of our
Speaker 3: friends are getting massacred at the house. Just so happened
Speaker 3: to be out of town. And like Rosemary's Baby shit,
Speaker 3: there is they found footage of Roman inviting people over
Speaker 3: to the house to run train on Sharon. They were
Speaker 3: filming like weird uh you know, pornographic shit at their house.
Speaker 3: They were doing wife swapping and like weird rituals and
Speaker 3: shit at their house. And so again, I think Charles
Speaker 3: Manson is a character that's taking credit for a bunch
Speaker 3: of shit that people just wanted swept under the rug directors.
Speaker 4: It's all about directing, and I think that's that's where
Speaker 4: the crossover is because you see a lot of it now.
Speaker 4: During the uh, the impeachment trial of Donald Trump, they
Speaker 4: brought in Hollywood directors to film this squad or whatever
Speaker 4: they call themselves, the Special Prosecutors of J six, you know,
Speaker 4: and so they had to have this this director come
Speaker 4: in and fit everything into the perfect little package for
Speaker 4: all the normies to eat.
Speaker 3: Up, you know, mm hmmmm mm one hundred. I mean,
Speaker 3: I hope this gets people to want and to read
Speaker 3: this book, because, like I said, there's so much in
Speaker 3: it that if I sat here until fucking two in
Speaker 3: the morning, we couldn't even get through the first couple
Speaker 3: of chapters. But I mean, I feel like this is
Speaker 3: a good taste test for the beginning of the book.
Speaker 2: Thank you. Yeah, that was great. Did anybody want to
Speaker 2: add anything?
Speaker 5: Sure, I think one thing that's not necessarily in the
Speaker 5: Program to Kill a book that's come to light since
Speaker 5: McAllan wrote the book, but kind of fits right in
Speaker 5: line with what we're talking about here, with the satanism
Speaker 5: of the Program to Kill. You know, the hand of
Speaker 5: Death Bolt is a fellow by the name of Edward
Speaker 5: Wynn Edwards. He was formerly the In fact that Zodia
Speaker 5: Killery fits into that conversation as well. So I think
Speaker 5: a lot of these are all Satanic cult murders. Manson
Speaker 5: family included. Polanski was actually in Rome with the Processed
Speaker 5: Church when his wife was getting murdered, and they had
Speaker 5: all sorts of process Church connections along with Manson there too.
Speaker 5: So I think a lot of these Satanic cults largely
Speaker 5: wrapped up within this process umbrella, you know, function around
Speaker 5: all these murders. Edward wyn Edwards though, so the Zodiac
Speaker 5: Killer was one of the surviving one of the surviving
Speaker 5: males in the one of his attacks, you know, I
Speaker 5: think it was actually a team of killers, a part
Speaker 5: of a Satanic cult. They're operating in around the presidio
Speaker 5: where Michaelikino was But Edward Wyn Edwards, the guy in
Speaker 5: the hood at Lake Barriessa. All the details that killer
Speaker 5: gave to the victims. The male surviving victim who's an attorney,
Speaker 5: has been an attorney ever since then.
Speaker 1: He was in law school.
Speaker 5: All the details given to that guy are all details
Speaker 5: of Edward Winn Edwards life. He escaped to state prison
Speaker 5: in Montana. He murdered a prison guard, he fled to Mexico.
Speaker 5: You know, these were all things that made him the
Speaker 5: number one person on the FBI's most Wanted list in
Speaker 5: nineteen sixty one. He just happened to do all those
Speaker 5: things ten years prior to the Zodiac when the Zodiac
Speaker 5: described his activities, that was nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 1: Edwards did all that in nineteen fifty nine. So Edward
Speaker 1: Wyn Edwards.
Speaker 5: Also, at the same time Henry Lee Lucas is dancing
Speaker 5: around the US claimed to murder all these folks. Edward
Speaker 5: Wyn Edwards is making parole for an insurance fra Audrey
Speaker 5: burnt down a house in Pennsylvania. And you know, I
Speaker 5: think he's one of the fu in this core of folks.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, fuck that guy. I do think it
Speaker 3: could be a team though, for the Zodiac murders.
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: I think it could have been a team pops.
Speaker 1: That's all like that comment now and yeah, so Edward Edward.
Speaker 5: When Edwards was directly connected to the Atlanta child killings,
Speaker 5: for example, he infiltrated.
Speaker 3: I'm going to talk about that in an upcoming episode
Speaker 3: with you guys see Atlanta child murders. I'm going to
Speaker 3: talk about that.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Interesting topic.
Speaker 5: But he's documented as infiltrating that task force. He was
Speaker 5: not a cop, he was not anything. He was a
Speaker 5: high school dropout. I joined the mareens at sixteen and
Speaker 5: got thrown out because he faked the birth certificate. So
Speaker 5: the guy, the guy was never you know, he had
Speaker 5: no qualifications at all remotely even to be there. Somehow
Speaker 5: he infiltrated the uh, the Atlanta Shaw Killing's police force
Speaker 5: or the task force or Marietta Police Department sargeant's uniform.
Speaker 5: The uniform was found in the home that he burned
Speaker 5: down in Pennsylvania that he was doing time for. When
Speaker 5: all of a sudden he's getting out and Henry le
Speaker 5: Lucas has taken.
Speaker 1: A hit for.
Speaker 5: I think a lot of the murders that Edward Way
Speaker 5: Edwards was responsible for ordering in participating.
Speaker 3: In Oh shit, that makes a lot of sense, and.
Speaker 4: It really can't be downplayed how integral the military is
Speaker 4: and all of this, because this is where we filter
Speaker 4: out and find the most psychopathic people who joined the
Speaker 4: military to get away with murder. So when I was
Speaker 4: in that there were several people in my unit that
Speaker 4: really wanted to go to war because they wanted to
Speaker 4: get away with murder. And if you're profiling on that level,
Speaker 4: you're going to find a bunch of them who then
Speaker 4: can be used as a state side kind of a
Speaker 4: psychopath that they can you know, use as these serial killers,
Speaker 4: or they're the the hit squad working in the background
Speaker 4: of these serial killers so that they can take out
Speaker 4: the targets that they want to take out.
Speaker 3: Mm hmmmm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: They like mental institutions as well. They do a lot
Speaker 3: of poaching from there too, Like prisons, uh, military mental institutions,
Speaker 3: those are their frequented hot spots for these assholes.
Speaker 2: Especially experiments on people mm hmm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like American Horror Story Asylum, but like on steroids.
Speaker 3: Should you guys watch that season?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: You did?
Speaker 3: You know the German guy that does all experiments on
Speaker 3: them in the basement and ship. Yeah, yeah, that was
Speaker 3: a weird real season. Dude, it gives it gives me
Speaker 3: the fucking he begbi's just talking about it, like out
Speaker 3: of all the seasons, that one just stuck with me.
Speaker 3: It's really fucking disturbing. But I mean, I think anyone
Speaker 3: can agree the last place on Earth you'd ever want
Speaker 3: to end up like, I'd rather get hit by truck
Speaker 3: before somebody admitted me into a mental institution, like straight up,
Speaker 3: like girl interrupted, fucked that shit.
Speaker 2: And that was like a religious place too, so that
Speaker 2: makes it even worse, right.
Speaker 13: Right, all right, everybody's good o good, No, all right?
Speaker 4: The MK and M culture. Isn't that a German word?
Speaker 4: So it really does go back to a lot of
Speaker 4: this Operation paper Clip, where they brought these Nazi scientists
Speaker 4: who were doing this work back to the United States
Speaker 4: and started using go ahead, Oh.
Speaker 10: Lisa, were you gonna say some no, no, no, keep
Speaker 10: going headless. It was just something that triggered me about
Speaker 10: some conversation Nick and I had about them.
Speaker 11: The oh assassin c I A that's all Oh.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, Oh do you know what the words are?
Speaker 4: I'm looking it up right now.
Speaker 2: It's sad some of us should have known that.
Speaker 3: One of us at least, I feel like conspiracy. I
Speaker 3: lose fucking stars right now for not knowing.
Speaker 2: Everybody else.
Speaker 5: I like chryst Ole's over the Secret sun Blogs interpretation
Speaker 5: of m K being magic?
Speaker 2: Oh is that what he says?
Speaker 1: So just an abbreviation from the word magic.
Speaker 2: Are That's interesting?
Speaker 10: Interest?
Speaker 12: I like that one. That's good.
Speaker 1: He's done a good Joe doctor. I don't want to
Speaker 1: misquote it, but he makes a good argument for it.
Speaker 3: Oh what our argument for what? Oh the magic?
Speaker 1: Yeah, the NK is really just abbreviations from magic.
Speaker 3: Well, Lisa, tell me about this OSS thing because I
Speaker 3: might have something to add on to that real quick
Speaker 3: before we before we.
Speaker 10: Go, So we Nick and I were discussing because you
Speaker 10: had made mentioned about I remember which show, which episode
Speaker 10: you had, but you you basically had said how I
Speaker 10: thought you put it brilliantly that people like to think
Speaker 10: that serial killer or any kind of these ritualistic abuses
Speaker 10: or anything like that, they're like, oh, it's the government, No,
Speaker 10: it's satanic, and it's like, oh, it's one and the same.
Speaker 8: Right.
Speaker 10: So Nick and I were talking about that. I don't
Speaker 10: know if Nick, you want to interject or anything about that.
Speaker 2: Well, I think a lot of them kind of use
Speaker 2: the same technique. Like I do think like these, especially
Speaker 2: the CIA, are intelligence agencies. I think they look from
Speaker 2: occult this or they use, my opinion, like kind of
Speaker 2: stuff with like what we're covering tonight. I would say,
Speaker 2: like kind of using magical technique forcing them on people
Speaker 2: could technically be immkay ultra in my opinion, or that
Speaker 2: could help like fracture somebody's mind, you know, if they
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on and you're kind of forcing
Speaker 2: it upon them. So I do think like sometimes there
Speaker 2: are one of the same and they go hand in hand.
Speaker 2: I do think the CIA is heavily interested in the
Speaker 2: occult and they're interested in occultists.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I actually just said that the other day,
Speaker 3: and I promise I'm not stealing this from Nick, but
Speaker 3: I went on the Cult of Conspiracy to kind of
Speaker 3: wrap up this topic, and I said, people get confused
Speaker 3: because they say, is it the government or is it
Speaker 3: Satanists or And I'm like, you're already you're already lost
Speaker 3: by asking that question, because the government and Satanists are
Speaker 3: one and the same thing. I mean, it's like you
Speaker 3: don't have to separate that shit out. You can't say, oh, well,
Speaker 3: this is governmental and this is satanic. Now that shit
Speaker 3: is pretty much like two wings of the same diseased bird,
Speaker 3: you know.
Speaker 10: And all of the episodes that we're going through, I mean,
Speaker 10: we're seeing that the OSS has Nazi ties, and if
Speaker 10: you look back at the Nazi Party, where are their origins?
Speaker 11: OSS? Backtrack to Nazi backtracked to what the occult.
Speaker 10: The occult is the premise of the entire Nazi philosophy.
Speaker 10: And so you look at OSS and then up until
Speaker 10: nineteen forty seven, what happens to the OSS It morphs
Speaker 10: into the CIA morphs, right, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 10: if I'm saying that correctly, JJ, but you know, you
Speaker 10: have all these intelligence agencies just basically repackaged, rebranding, and
Speaker 10: now we're you know, wearing new suits. We're wearing new
Speaker 10: but it's still the same philosophy, it's still the same practice,
Speaker 10: it's still the same memo. And so to you know,
Speaker 10: to your point, it proves it right there, this is
Speaker 10: the this is the actual pedigree.
Speaker 3: Really well, and you know, the OSS is just like
Speaker 3: you said, the precursor for the u C. I A
Speaker 3: but fun fact of the day. Do you know who
Speaker 3: Jackson Brown is? He's big in the Yeah, Jackson Brown,
Speaker 3: Who's big and kind of like the Laurel Kenyon era.
Speaker 3: His dad was O. S. S. So, I mean, like,
Speaker 3: you're not gonna you're not gonna get away from any
Speaker 3: of these counterculture like these major artists having some type
Speaker 3: of military connections or some weird ship like that.
Speaker 2: Julia Child, what.
Speaker 12: Are you making a joke?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Hey, you know the guy that hosted
Speaker 3: the Gong Show. He said he was a CIA operative
Speaker 3: and that he killed thirty three people and that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: and he said he hosted the Gong Show as his
Speaker 3: side job. I just learned about this, So, I mean, dude,
Speaker 3: and I think a lot of these celebs, by the
Speaker 3: way that get murdered or they commit suicide. I don't
Speaker 3: think they're actually dead, most of them. And they go
Speaker 3: on there they kill the character off right, and the
Speaker 3: actual person goes on to do something else. Elvis, Michael Jackson,
Speaker 3: fucking Robin Williams. Like a lot of these they kill
Speaker 3: Jim Morrison, Yes, I believe that one for sure. A
Speaker 3: lot of people say Jimmy Hendricks as well. They kill
Speaker 3: off their right so they kill off their main character
Speaker 3: and then they just go on to either A play
Speaker 3: another character or b they just live out the rest
Speaker 3: of their life totally anonymous.
Speaker 6: So Bill Hicks Alex Jones, you cannot convince me that
Speaker 6: that is not Alex Jones.
Speaker 12: Where the god?
Speaker 3: Oh it's one. Oh my god, come on, girl, I.
Speaker 1: Agree with you. That one seems pretty uh, pretty on
Speaker 1: point with that one. All the details between the two guys.
Speaker 5: I mean, the mere fact Alex Jones accepts comedy awards
Speaker 5: and Bill Hicks's name should be enough evidence.
Speaker 12: What's that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's on video doing it. He's on video accepting
Speaker 1: an award and Bill Hick's name.
Speaker 12: How does that make it?
Speaker 3: Oh my god? Well, I mean, hey, I'm definitely not
Speaker 3: going to put it outside the roma possibility because I'm
Speaker 3: the one who thinks this grand theory about people playing
Speaker 3: characters is fucking true. But it's an example maybe, Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's easy.
Speaker 1: I love I love Jim Morrison's Rush Limball though. He
Speaker 1: was great.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I heard that one just recently.
Speaker 5: I heard they have so many similarities, even down to
Speaker 5: the gold microphone.
Speaker 3: I heard that one. That's a good one.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, fat Jim Morrison looks identical to Russian Blimball,
Speaker 5: one of the last known fetows of Morrison before he died,
Speaker 5: identical to a young Limball, and Limball.
Speaker 1: Is deeply connected in Spooky Savies for Generations.
Speaker 3: I was just talking to my boyfriend Kolby about this
Speaker 3: the other day and we were talking about, you know,
Speaker 3: the Val Kilmer movie where he plays Jim Morrison. All right, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: the Doors. Okay, so he looked exactly like him, performed
Speaker 3: exactly like him, sounded exactly like him, and it was amazing, Right,
Speaker 3: But wouldn't it be a cooler movie if somebody took
Speaker 3: the actual story of Jim Morrison and made a fucking
Speaker 3: movie it Like, your dad is fucking high level military,
Speaker 3: fucking tnking golf shit, Vietnam War is all your fault,
Speaker 3: and you become like this superstar fucking Jim Morrison, fucking
Speaker 3: light my fire bullshit, and then you fake your own
Speaker 3: death and then you become regal inba and liked. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's a fucking movie right there. The Vlkilmer one was cool,
Speaker 3: but somebody fucking make that a movie because that's the
Speaker 3: What did they say, like reality is stranger than fiction?
Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, we would be a better tale, for sure.
Speaker 2: I love more entertaining interesting. I'm sure. All right, I
Speaker 2: guess we'll wrap it up now, right, everybody's good. All right,
Speaker 2: Thank you very much again, Julia for coming on. There
Speaker 2: was a lot of stuff that was really fun and interesting.
Speaker 2: Please let everybody know where they can find your stuff
Speaker 2: one more time.
Speaker 8: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Thanks. I have Cosmic Peach podcasts. It's available wherever you
Speaker 3: listen to podcasts. If you want ad free exclusive stuff,
Speaker 3: you can go on Patreon and look for Cosmic Peach.
Speaker 3: I'm actually working on a new series. I'll give you
Speaker 3: like a little teaser for it. But I watched this
Speaker 3: show called The Dark Side of the Nineties and it
Speaker 3: was just like this a Hulu thing. It was like
Speaker 3: kind of retarded but kind of interesting at the same time.
Speaker 3: And they were talking about the dark side of the nineties,
Speaker 3: and like the darkest they went was like somebody killed
Speaker 3: somebody else over a beanie baby, And I was like,
Speaker 3: this is not the dark side of the nineties. Can
Speaker 3: we talk about like Courtney Loa, Kurt Cobain and like
Speaker 3: all this creazy OJ and fucking like that's the dark
Speaker 3: side of the nineties. So I got like a little
Speaker 3: Project bruin with that, and I think some of you
Speaker 3: might be nineties babies, but I think it it's all
Speaker 3: super nostalgic and it's interesting and fun to talk about anyways.
Speaker 3: But there's like Heaven's Gate cult and like all kinds
Speaker 3: of shit that brokeludes in the nineties. So yeah, so
Speaker 3: you can look forward to that eventually. I'm going to
Speaker 3: try to have it done by February.
Speaker 4: Well sounds good.
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, thank you very much. I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: I'm almost positive your stuff is already in the bottom
Speaker 2: of my show notes on my end. Yeah, so if
Speaker 2: anybody wants to go check r stuff out, it's there now.
Speaker 2: Thank you all again for jumping on the show. Thank
Speaker 2: you Lisa, thank you Headless, thank you JJ, thank you Teresa,
Speaker 2: and thank you Mike, and thank you everybody who jumped
Speaker 2: in on the chat. That's what's up. They had a
Speaker 2: bunch of people here and it's nice seeing some new
Speaker 2: names from I guess JJ side were Headless. Thank you all.
Speaker 2: And that's the end of another occult to Rejects and
Speaker 2: until the next one, everybody be will later