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Speaker 2: Yes, if you passed over, I go.
Speaker 3: I don't know what it was, but it's from at
Speaker 3: least to three thousand feet above us.
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Speaker 2: To God more calm on an unidentified object every liberty
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Speaker 3: Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their
Speaker 3: experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,
Speaker 3: I would like to be on the show. You can
Speaker 3: email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,
Speaker 3: thanks for tuning in again. I'm Nick Hunter and this
Speaker 3: is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, Jane joins us from
Speaker 3: New South Wales, Australia to share her life long encounters
Speaker 3: with the Grays. Unlike many accounts associated with fear and trauma,
Speaker 3: Jane describes her experience as positive and a cause being
Speaker 3: treated with kindness. She discusses her claimed involvement in a
Speaker 3: gray human hybrid breeding program and how these encounters shaped
Speaker 3: her understanding its possible purpose and a surprising figure known
Speaker 3: as Graham. Jane is up next, but first, if you
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Speaker 3: Hello Jane, Welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 2: Thank you Nick.
Speaker 3: It's wonderful to have you on finally, and you are
Speaker 3: joining us from New South Wales in Australia.
Speaker 2: I am I'm near Gosford, New South wos.
Speaker 3: Near Gosford wonderful shouts while Gosford listeners out there. Now, Jane,
Speaker 3: as a lifelong abductee, you have some experiences you're going
Speaker 3: to be sharing with us. Would you like to start
Speaker 3: the beginning please, ma'am sure.
Speaker 1: So just before I do start what I've seen, though,
Speaker 1: I'll just explain a bit so that it makes some sense,
Speaker 1: which is I have I refer to a character called
Speaker 1: Graham or Grandpa Graham, and he is an old now
Speaker 1: gray man who has been the one to pick me
Speaker 1: up all my life. So I see these gray aliens
Speaker 1: as people just like humans, but with a different look.
Speaker 1: I've still got a body of face, arms and legs,
Speaker 1: and a soul on a personnel. So when I say
Speaker 1: Grandpa Graham, that's who that is. The nickname just evolved.
Speaker 1: I'll get to that. And I see them as like
Speaker 1: our International Space Station astronauts. They're mostly scientists or doctors
Speaker 1: or nurses that have been sent out to do research
Speaker 1: on lab rats on another planet, which unfortunately we are,
Speaker 1: and I know that's a negative, but they've been very
Speaker 1: kind to me. So my experience is mostly good, or
Speaker 1: it's all good, but I understand the questions around the ethics.
Speaker 1: So my very first experience, I remember being in a
Speaker 1: coot and under two, maybe just under two from when
Speaker 1: it was I pulled myself up standing in the coot.
Speaker 1: I know most people don't remember this age, but big
Speaker 1: events like this you do. You just it's like it
Speaker 1: wasn't trauma, but it's like trauma, and that the details
Speaker 1: stick in your head. And that was one of those.
Speaker 1: So and then at the end of my cot was
Speaker 1: standing this man. I didn't know any of this then,
Speaker 1: So I'm speaking in hindsight. C with big, beautiful eyes.
Speaker 2: I think they're beautiful.
Speaker 1: I don't think they're scary in the least, like only bigger,
Speaker 1: but like possum's eyes or cow's eyes or just gentle.
Speaker 2: A bald, big head.
Speaker 1: With two lumps on either side and a very narrow
Speaker 1: pointed chin and skinny I'd say, nobody fat or muscle
Speaker 1: that I could see. And he had a full body
Speaker 1: suit on that was skin colored, his skin colored, and
Speaker 1: his skin was bluey gray more than gray. And I
Speaker 1: now know, looking back, my background is many years in nursing,
Speaker 1: although I'm retired now, so I now see that their
Speaker 1: skin is just a different color. As if they have
Speaker 1: low oxygen, because they do, they breathe different air to us,
Speaker 1: whereas we're pink because we've got more oxygen going around blood.
Speaker 1: So it's just stuff like that. They're still a physical person.
Speaker 1: These differences are no more than the differences between an
Speaker 1: African man, an Asian woman, and an Anglo child.
Speaker 2: We're all the same. We just might have different eyes
Speaker 2: or different.
Speaker 1: For zeke or whatever, and we can all inter marry
Speaker 1: and into breed, and we can do the same with
Speaker 1: the grays. That's what this experimenting is all about. So
Speaker 1: we couldn't breathe with them if they weren't very much
Speaker 1: like us. I understand there are different stories out there
Speaker 1: with different aliens, and some people are terrified, but that's
Speaker 1: just not my experience, and I can only tell you
Speaker 1: what I've seen, so that clearly lots of different races.
Speaker 1: This is the one that I've had to experience with.
Speaker 1: So that's Grandpa Graham, who's now very old man. Do
Speaker 1: they live longer than us? As a question, and I
Speaker 1: can get maybe, but not a lot longer.
Speaker 2: Maybe. I don't know.
Speaker 1: It depends how healthy they are, I suppose, but maybe
Speaker 1: one hundred one hundred and twenty just depends that I
Speaker 1: think it's I think it's just that their medicine's better.
Speaker 2: Okay. So Grandpa Graham was.
Speaker 1: Standing at the end of my cot and I pulled
Speaker 1: myself up, and he picked me up and put me
Speaker 1: on his right hip, and I felt no different to it,
Speaker 1: a human picking me up that I knew. I don't
Speaker 1: remember him before that, but I did feel that I
Speaker 1: knew him at that point. And he said to me,
Speaker 1: I'm like your grandfather, little one. It still calls me
Speaker 1: a little one, and I'm not little, And so wouldn't
Speaker 1: a baby go with a relative and get in a
Speaker 1: car and just do it? Because people ask me why
Speaker 1: I went so pick me up, I just went with him, trustingly, happily.
Speaker 1: I knew the man, I liked him, and we floated
Speaker 1: or levitated whatever word you want to use, up and
Speaker 1: literally through the ceiling. Our bodies don't change. They changed
Speaker 1: the space around us and into a round lighthole at
Speaker 1: the bottom of a round spaceship. I've seen many different
Speaker 1: sizes and many different shapes, but these ones were the
Speaker 1: medium sized hospital ship.
Speaker 2: I call them. So as Grandpa.
Speaker 1: Graham and I rise through the hole, in the bottom
Speaker 1: of the ship. The door beneath us closes over, and
Speaker 1: it's like an old fashioned camera.
Speaker 2: Toure just close us.
Speaker 1: Like just sort of folds in, if you're familiar with
Speaker 1: the old fashion aperture. And then we're just standing there
Speaker 1: and I look around me and there's a group of
Speaker 1: children and I know some of them, and it's the
Speaker 1: same group that I've been in ever since, from babyhood
Speaker 1: to adulthood. And I now know three of them on
Speaker 1: earth that have witnessed the same things as me and
Speaker 1: contacted me. So the big kids are supposed to look
Speaker 1: after little kids, so I must have been allocated to
Speaker 1: a bigger kid who then held my hand. I guess
Speaker 1: human babies are pretty dependent, so they can't just leave
Speaker 1: us running, can they. It's very organized, and it's very
Speaker 1: much like your high school science experiment where you get
Speaker 1: a control group and maybe.
Speaker 2: Two other groups with issues that they're comparing.
Speaker 1: It's incredibly organized, but it's also very much like the
Speaker 1: experiments on the International Space Station with plants and things.
Speaker 1: They're just ahead of us. So then I'm laying on
Speaker 1: a levitating table that looks like a you know, a
Speaker 1: doctor's bench, only there's no mattress on it. It's just
Speaker 1: silver and there's no legs.
Speaker 2: This thing.
Speaker 1: That as a baby I didn't understand, but as an
Speaker 1: adult I do. Like a scanner, I suppose, only much
Speaker 1: smaller than our cat scans in my eyes, pet scans.
Speaker 2: And it just came right across.
Speaker 1: My body and all I could see was colored bits
Speaker 1: and probably my organs floating in the air. And as
Speaker 1: a baby, I was just fascinated. Now I know what
Speaker 1: was being shown. So it scanned my whole body and
Speaker 1: they took blood from my arm, but there wasn't a needle.
Speaker 1: It felt like they sucked it out somehow, nothing hurt.
Speaker 1: I wasn't scared. And then they took me back to
Speaker 1: my room. Grandpa Graham again picked me up, took me down,
Speaker 1: put me in the cot, and I went back to sleep.
Speaker 2: I know that happened many times over my life.
Speaker 1: They sedate us mostly, I guess they didn't need to
Speaker 1: sedate a baby that wasn't scared. The next time, I remember,
Speaker 1: I was about seven, and for whatever reason, just being older,
Speaker 1: perhaps I was terrified. I knew they were coming. I
Speaker 1: could sense they were coming, and my heart was racing.
Speaker 1: And again I was young, young enough not to understand
Speaker 1: that the thump, thump, dump for my pillow was just
Speaker 1: my heart racing, but that's what I could hear.
Speaker 2: And then they did come and.
Speaker 1: I rose up to the ceiling, but I wasn't fully sedated,
Speaker 1: because I hadn't been scared before, perhaps, and I screamed,
Speaker 1: but nothing came out. And then I was unconscious, and
Speaker 1: they took me up through the ceiling, so they must
Speaker 1: have decided to sedate me then, And I compared that
Speaker 1: to anesthetics or medazolam or valiant or something on Earth.
Speaker 1: You're sedated, you're not unconscious. So snippets of memories come
Speaker 1: through when other things are lost. There's definitely a lot
Speaker 1: that's vague in my mind that I can't grasp, but
Speaker 1: that's why. However, other things I remember incredibly clearly, and
Speaker 1: I've never forgotten them. So that time, the same thing happened,
Speaker 1: The same children were there, and I was put back
Speaker 1: into my bed. I don't remember going again to puberty,
Speaker 1: and that was pretty close to fourteen. I was a
Speaker 1: bit late, and then there was a lot between then
Speaker 1: and menopause. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I guess your fertile
Speaker 1: years are when they want you the most, although they
Speaker 1: have taken me either side of that. When I was
Speaker 1: a teenager, i'd see a lot in the sky. When
Speaker 1: they move, they're not like shooting stars. Is a very
Speaker 1: big difference. You can see easily see the difference between
Speaker 1: a plane, a helicopter, comet and a UFO or aka
Speaker 1: alien spaceship.
Speaker 2: They're usually very high up.
Speaker 1: Although they've come down close to me, and they can
Speaker 1: move at right angles to it to themselves. They just
Speaker 1: go up down to the right, to the left, a
Speaker 1: cross down. No comet can do that, honestly. So I
Speaker 1: have always seen a lot, an unusual number, And when
Speaker 1: I've got friends with me, they witness them too, even
Speaker 1: if they never have before. So you know, as fate
Speaker 1: will have it, I've often had witnesses or some sort
Speaker 1: of proof or among the police, and they've believed me
Speaker 1: because they've had other reports.
Speaker 2: So grateful for that. So yeah, that kept going on.
Speaker 1: And then the next time I remember really clearly, I
Speaker 1: was in my early twenties and I was I just
Speaker 1: woke up floating. I was just floating up off the bed.
Speaker 1: My body wasn't down there, my soul was in my body.
Speaker 1: I know that it compares to NDEs, but it wasn't
Speaker 1: the same. It was a physical experience. And I floated
Speaker 1: up through the ceiling and we lived in a fairly
Speaker 1: old house and it was well, rooms are always dusty.
Speaker 1: But I sneezed and I saw a cockroach. Now to
Speaker 1: do that, I had to be in my body. Your
Speaker 1: soul's not going to sneeze. And I asked how, and
Speaker 1: Grandpa Graham said, well, we changed molecules of all the
Speaker 1: physical stuff around you, but we don't change you. So
Speaker 1: somehow they're I don't know. I mean, I'm not going
Speaker 1: to claim to understand their science. That is the answers
Speaker 1: I got when I asked the questions. I floated up
Speaker 1: into the medium sized round you with the hot the
Speaker 1: lighthole at the bottom that I've seen most and in
Speaker 1: there I met another male human whom i'd seen as
Speaker 1: a child, and also one of the ones I've seen
Speaker 1: on Earth.
Speaker 2: So what are they doing up there with us?
Speaker 1: Well, they're taking our eggs in a sperm and doing
Speaker 1: breeding experiments, and they invented IVF and I think that
Speaker 1: they implant the fertilized over back into our uterus. Well,
Speaker 1: this is how Grandpa Graham explained it when I asked,
Speaker 1: And they put a hormonal injection to make it take
Speaker 1: in the uterus behind it, and then some take and
Speaker 1: some don't, and they leave them in you for under
Speaker 1: three months, and then they take you back up there,
Speaker 1: remove the fetus and put it in an artificial fetus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: horrible stuff, but they did their best to be as
Speaker 1: kind as possible and as gentle as possible. And I
Speaker 1: must be one of the few people who asks a
Speaker 1: million questions and drives them nutting. I find they're all
Speaker 1: always happy to answer. But they're very phlegmatic in their
Speaker 1: personality and that their fatal expression or their body language
Speaker 1: doesn't change. I've heard people describe them as autistic or
Speaker 1: as clones.
Speaker 2: Not true.
Speaker 1: They're people, and they project emotions and they project words
Speaker 1: in your language. So they must have some sort of translator,
Speaker 1: or I've got the translator.
Speaker 2: I don't know, but I hear them in English.
Speaker 1: Yet in the background of that, I hear a funny
Speaker 1: click click sound that I cannot mimic. So I suggest
Speaker 1: they've got a language, but they add some sort of
Speaker 1: translator and we hear it now language. But the questions
Speaker 1: are answered directly. So if I say what color is
Speaker 1: the sky, they will say blue. They will not say
Speaker 1: blue with white whispy clouds and it's a warm day.
Speaker 1: They just won't give you another ounce of information. Not deliberately.
Speaker 1: They just don't understand all the nuances of human language.
Speaker 1: I do drive them mad with questions. It's just my personality.
Speaker 1: I just want to understand. And Gwampark Graham has learnt
Speaker 1: to laugh. They don't usually laugh, but he laughs. That's
Speaker 1: some of the things I'm thinking that he can hear.
Speaker 1: So this is a tangent, but it also leads into
Speaker 1: the next experience. So once I was in a ship
Speaker 1: he was driving. There was another human beside me. They're tiny.
Speaker 1: There's ones that they pick you up in, not made
Speaker 1: for human sized physique. Freezing cold, and I'm sitting there
Speaker 1: on this metal bench with my knees up near my ears.
Speaker 1: And I said to the driver, who I know was
Speaker 1: Grandpark Graham, can you please do something.
Speaker 2: About it's too cold? Make it warmer?
Speaker 1: And he laughed and he said, well, if I make
Speaker 1: it warmer, we can't live. But you'll survive in the cold.
Speaker 1: You just won't enjoy it. At that point, though, I
Speaker 1: also noticed there were no controls. He was doing everything
Speaker 1: with thought. And that same ship. So this is my
Speaker 1: next experience. Anyway, went out over the ocean where I live.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of coves and bays and estuaries before
Speaker 1: it gets to the sea. It's all salt water, but
Speaker 1: they're all they're all still there. And so it went
Speaker 1: out over the water, deep into the ocean, and then
Speaker 1: a long way out we went back up into space,
Speaker 1: and I was aware that we were underwater, and I
Speaker 1: was aware that we're in space, but I couldn't feel
Speaker 1: any movement.
Speaker 2: I feel sick when I get back.
Speaker 1: When I wake up in bed, the first thing I
Speaker 1: do is throw up, and I have a whop a headache.
Speaker 1: I suppose delayed motion sickness.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean, your guess is as good
Speaker 2: as mine, but this is what happened. So then that.
Speaker 1: Person that was in that ship with me, I met.
Speaker 1: I was working in an emergency department. Clearly I can't
Speaker 1: give any names or places. I can in private, but
Speaker 1: not in their And this man came in as a
Speaker 1: patient and we recognized each other bizarrely from the ship.
Speaker 2: So strange.
Speaker 1: There's no way we could possibly have met on Earth,
Speaker 1: but anyway, we both had enough memories to we met
Speaker 1: later matched up the story.
Speaker 2: They know who they are. They don't want to go
Speaker 2: on public. That's up to them. That's fine. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so then I met that man.
Speaker 1: So then I went back with that man to the
Speaker 1: place that this ship had gone out over the water
Speaker 1: and could show him exactly where we'd stopped and a
Speaker 1: path that we'd walked down. And so just a detail
Speaker 1: I forgot is that the ship were in broke down
Speaker 1: just like cars breakdown, and Grunpy Graham parked it in
Speaker 1: the bush and we were waiting on the edge of
Speaker 1: the water for a new one to come.
Speaker 2: And get us.
Speaker 1: That's what happened. So he walked us down this concrete
Speaker 1: path and over this jetty. At the end of the jetty,
Speaker 1: we climbed into the smaller ship, which didn't rock on
Speaker 1: the water. It was just levitating slightly above the water.
Speaker 1: It was all even though the weight would be uneven
Speaker 1: when somebody stepped in, it didn't move. Their technology is
Speaker 1: mind blowing. I'm not a technological person, but I wish
Speaker 1: I'd ask more questions about those things. However, I didn't.
Speaker 1: So then there's then I had children, got married, all
Speaker 1: of those things human children. I mean, over that time,
Speaker 1: there were three pregnancies that weren't explainable.
Speaker 2: I was married for a time.
Speaker 1: However, a doctor confirmed a pregnancy and I had to
Speaker 1: have it a day and see when I miscarried, and
Speaker 1: there was facial parts. Again, I can prove it, I
Speaker 1: really can. So after that, you know, lots of funny
Speaker 1: things happened. I wasn't in the spaceship, but I was
Speaker 1: still seeing. For example, my two children and my husband
Speaker 1: were standing in the backyard and we saw five red
Speaker 1: orbs just floating across in front of us, not far away,
Speaker 1: no further than another yard, another house yard in Australia,
Speaker 1: and we all thought it was very exciting. Would send
Speaker 1: so many no one was perturbed by it at all.
Speaker 1: But humans try and hidle this, and there's still a
Speaker 1: cover up, even with Trump coming out with the UFO files.
Speaker 1: And in the next day in the paper it said
Speaker 1: that they were Chinese lanterns, you know, like a candle
Speaker 1: in rice paper, floating rubbish. They were like the light
Speaker 1: that was red was like infrared red from an infrared lamp.
Speaker 1: It was orange red though, and ours is more red,
Speaker 1: so it was a color of light I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: on earth. They were slowly watching us while we were
Speaker 1: watching them, And that very night, my eldest child had
Speaker 1: a dream and came down to breakfast the next day
Speaker 1: and said, Mom, Mom, the aliens took me last night
Speaker 1: and there were children there, and can they come home
Speaker 1: for dinner? And they were so nice and blah blah blah,
Speaker 1: And I said, do aliens eats bag bowl? Because he
Speaker 1: wants to know what I'd feed them. So it was
Speaker 1: all a bit of a funny conversation. But I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: other people witness the things that I have witnessed, and
Speaker 1: that can't be an accident. So another story. I went
Speaker 1: with a friend, an old friend who I new believed
Speaker 1: in UFOs was educated, saying, no one him long enough
Speaker 1: to know that they weren't me mental health problems. We
Speaker 1: went to Birdie Beach at night because I've got a
Speaker 1: sun problem and that's up near Newcastle, and he went
Speaker 1: for a swim. I wasn't my sharks in the dark.
Speaker 1: And then he came running up the beach terrified, saying
Speaker 1: something came up from the water and looked at him. Oh,
Speaker 1: come on. So I went down back to the waterfront
Speaker 1: with him, and it did this green lit thing that
Speaker 1: I would now call a drone, and it can go
Speaker 1: in water too. That was round orb shape, a physical thing,
Speaker 1: but nothing like a fisherman's lure or any of the
Speaker 1: logical things you might think of. Came up out of
Speaker 1: the deep water, looked at us, and went back down.
Speaker 1: And the green of the light was the same green
Speaker 1: that I often see UFOs in, not a color we
Speaker 1: have any light in. It's fluorescent green, but doesn't hurt
Speaker 1: your eyes. It's bright, but not like a light bulb
Speaker 1: or fire or anything that you can think of your earth.
Speaker 1: So there are differences. They have things we don't have. Anyway,
Speaker 1: So we sat on the beach and discussed it for
Speaker 1: a while and then he said to me, look, just
Speaker 1: look to your left. I said, oh, it's a lighthouse,
Speaker 1: and he said, do you think's the light us?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: No, okay, it's not a lighthouse, great big round of life.
Speaker 1: Is it a full moon? No, we could see the
Speaker 1: moon on the other side.
Speaker 2: Well what is it? And we neither of us know?
Speaker 1: And he said, spaceship noe right quick, getting the car,
Speaker 1: but going up there and he was petrified and not me.
Speaker 2: I't get myself in troubles sometimes anyway.
Speaker 1: So we drove up to the point and at the
Speaker 1: point was two green san green as the one we
Speaker 1: saw in the water orbs above this round ball of
Speaker 1: light going down out to the right, back up in
Speaker 1: a triangle, and that was the right one, and then
Speaker 1: the left one would go down out to the left
Speaker 1: and back up to the top. So they were scouting
Speaker 1: around it. And when we got to the gate it
Speaker 1: it flew off. We saw it fly off other so
Speaker 1: again another witness. So then I was telling someone else,
Speaker 1: another friend, and this friend said, you've lost the plot.
Speaker 1: I don't believe you. I said, great, it's just great.
Speaker 1: So I said, I'm going to prove this. So I
Speaker 1: rang a Newcastle police near Birdie Beach and I got
Speaker 1: a young constable and I said to him, do you
Speaker 1: do you believe in the UFOs And he said, tell
Speaker 1: me the story. So I did, and then he said, well,
Speaker 1: look I didn't, but you're the twentieth caller telling the
Speaker 1: same story, so you're not the only one that saw it.
Speaker 1: So that story was checked out by the producer of
Speaker 1: a TV show. I did an interview on every with
Speaker 1: the place. Everything that I have said has been checked
Speaker 1: out by investigative reporters and myself and various other people
Speaker 1: who wanted to disprove me to bit didn't succeed. Another
Speaker 1: next story in chronological order was New Year's Eve at
Speaker 1: Gosford Waterfront.
Speaker 2: They have fireworks every New Year's Eve about.
Speaker 1: Nine point thirty for the children, and I live quite
Speaker 1: near that, so I enjoy that, and I've got grand children,
Speaker 1: so I've taken them a few times. This was just
Speaker 1: my oldest grandchild and I this particular New Year's Eve. Well,
Speaker 1: we went to one of the backstreets on the estuary
Speaker 1: so we could see the other side to the main crowd,
Speaker 1: but there were still about twelve.
Speaker 2: People where we were sitting.
Speaker 1: So while the fireworks were going off and everyone's all
Speaker 1: distracted by the lights, see five red orbs above it,
Speaker 1: I seem to going three fives and seven, and actually
Speaker 1: i've said nine to elevens. I don't know about that,
Speaker 1: but that's old, isn't it. So there were five red
Speaker 1: orbs above the fireworks, and I was watching them quietly.
Speaker 1: Other people hadn't seem to notice. But when the fireworks stopped,
Speaker 1: I'm just at a stage in my life where old
Speaker 1: enough to say, buger it, you care what people think?
Speaker 1: And I said to the dozen or so around me,
Speaker 1: can you see those red orbs? They all said yes,
Speaker 1: but one person looked away and denied what the others saw.
Speaker 1: And then I said to my granddaughter, I think their UFOs,
Speaker 1: And well, I'm sure their UFOs, but you just sort
Speaker 1: of soften it for other people. This couple beside me,
Speaker 1: the woman said to the man or she must believe
Speaker 1: in in aliens.
Speaker 2: You know, it was all a lot.
Speaker 1: Everyone could see it, but nobody knew what they was
Speaker 1: saying except me. There was also a police boat parked
Speaker 1: very close, close enough that I could see the cops
Speaker 1: on board, and I could see that it was a
Speaker 1: police boat, but I couldn't I could hear sound of
Speaker 1: them talking, but not what they were saying. So they
Speaker 1: were also clearly watching the red orbs. And about ten
Speaker 1: minutes I said to my grand a Lord's City from ND,
Speaker 1: I think, wait till the crowds go, but really I
Speaker 1: just wanted to see what happened. So about yeah, about
Speaker 1: ten minutes after, they all came down above the water,
Speaker 1: right in front of the police boat, and the police
Speaker 1: boat on the radio, making lots of noise, carrying on
Speaker 1: obviously getting back up and telling people. And one of
Speaker 1: the orbs when to the other side of the boat
Speaker 1: and then slowly moved along above the water, only about
Speaker 1: ten feet or three meters something like that. Owned the
Speaker 1: police boat turned on its engines and made a lot
Speaker 1: of noise and started to go after this orb. But
Speaker 1: this is only one of the five. I don't know
Speaker 1: where the other five went because I was watching this one. However,
Speaker 1: they can just turn their lights off and become and
Speaker 1: look invisible, or they could have taken off into the
Speaker 1: So the boat went after the orb, and the orb
Speaker 1: just went slowly and let it catch up, and then
Speaker 1: it stopped, and then the police boat nearly caught up,
Speaker 1: so they must have seen it pretty close up. And
Speaker 1: then it would take off a bit, and then it'll
Speaker 1: go slowly a bit further, let the police boat catch up.
Speaker 1: And it just kept doing that until it was out
Speaker 1: of sight. And it was cat and mouse, and the
Speaker 1: funniest thing was no danger, no fear. I think the
Speaker 1: cops were terrified, but the aliens thought it was funny
Speaker 1: to play a game with them, and that is absolutely
Speaker 1: my experience of them. They're playful, they get human humor,
Speaker 1: even if it's not their usual. They're showing off, they're
Speaker 1: going ha ha, we can go faster than your buddies.
Speaker 1: You know, mine as big as than yours. Sorry, but
Speaker 1: buddies and I do laugh at all of this, and
Speaker 1: it helps helps me anyway, So it might help other
Speaker 1: people listening that have had similar experiences that don't know
Speaker 1: how to cope find the humor in it. So so
Speaker 1: that's at gossip waterfront. I won't tell you the year,
Speaker 1: but it's verifiable with the cops, and too many people
Speaker 1: saw it. I also rang the police sorry afterwards, and said,
Speaker 1: look I saw blah blah blah, and the police woman
Speaker 1: the answered said, oh, we've given up.
Speaker 2: We're not even going to argue.
Speaker 1: Too many people saw it, so to be honest, I
Speaker 1: don't mean the police anymore, but when I did every
Speaker 1: single time, there've been other reports and the police have
Speaker 1: not doubted me at all, which surprised me more than
Speaker 1: that surprises you. But those little details are important, I think.
Speaker 1: So Apparently I then hadn't come out or out of
Speaker 1: the closet or read other people's accounts or heard other
Speaker 1: people's accounts, and I didn't realize that I was not
Speaker 1: the only person on the planet saying these things, only
Speaker 1: because I'd been quiet and once it had been a
Speaker 1: whole life thing, and I had chosen a couple of
Speaker 1: friends that I trusted who believed me. I basically didn't
Speaker 1: tell very many people at all.
Speaker 2: So the next big event.
Speaker 1: Was I spent some time grieving for the children that
Speaker 1: had been taken from me, realizing that I'd met them
Speaker 1: and seen them physically, and I'd given them. So I
Speaker 1: just had to find a way to cope with that.
Speaker 1: Without acts, I couldn't go to a counselor who would
Speaker 1: believe me. And I now know there are many, many
Speaker 1: other people with similar experiences, and I've met them or
Speaker 1: they've come to me online through these interviews, and basically
Speaker 1: we've helped each other. So I don't need it anymore.
Speaker 1: But my way of coping was with the grief was
Speaker 1: to name them, give them a human name, recognize that
Speaker 1: I'd seen them and they had different faces. They looked
Speaker 1: part human, part gray. It's all IVF but they make you.
Speaker 1: They don't tell you that till you ask at the end.
Speaker 1: So I was coping, trying to cope with the grief.
Speaker 1: I gave them names, and I clearly recognized their faces,
Speaker 1: and I knew roughly how old they were, and it
Speaker 1: matched up with my medical records.
Speaker 2: I grieved by not grieving.
Speaker 1: Getting to know them and realizing that they were in
Speaker 1: fact alive just like they were and well, as my
Speaker 1: granddaughter then said, it's like then in another country, not dead,
Speaker 1: they just overseas. I thought that's a good point. And
Speaker 1: I've since seen them anyway, so I'm okay now. But
Speaker 1: I wasn't okay because I didn't understand. It just didn't
Speaker 1: make sense to me. So the other thing that I
Speaker 1: did to cope that I hate, well I will help
Speaker 1: other people is I wrote down all the snippets of
Speaker 1: memories that I had remembering I'd been sedated, so bits
Speaker 1: were missing on separate pieces of paper, and then I
Speaker 1: put those pieces of paper in chronological order, and then
Speaker 1: I tried to remember roughly what year there were around,
Speaker 1: what was happening in my life at the time, and
Speaker 1: I wrote that down. Well, that's how I wrote the book.
Speaker 1: It's not everything, but it is in order and it
Speaker 1: does make sense. So it was like a jigsaw puzzle,
Speaker 1: and I just slotted the pieces in and suddenly I
Speaker 1: realized it just dawned on me what had happened, And
Speaker 1: regardless of how the world saw it, this had happened
Speaker 1: to me. And I wasn't crackers. So silly little book,
Speaker 1: because I'm not an authors not perfect sold really well.
Speaker 1: Everybody loved it that's read it has loved it and
Speaker 1: written to me. I think I've only had one negative review,
Speaker 1: which means that my purpose is it's printed as cheap
Speaker 1: ast possible. I don't make any money off it. I've
Speaker 1: put it at the bottom price. It's helping people, and
Speaker 1: the majority of the people that have written to me
Speaker 1: have also had very highly similar experiences and were just
Speaker 1: grateful that somebody else had put them into words. And
Speaker 1: when I said to a number of them, do you
Speaker 1: think you could write something or perhaps going on an
Speaker 1: interview and back me up seeing as you saw the
Speaker 1: same things, but they don't want to.
Speaker 2: A lot of people scaed. And I really get that.
Speaker 1: It cops incredible criticism and it takes a lot of guts,
Speaker 1: a lot of fear, but you just have to suck
Speaker 1: it up and do it to put it out there
Speaker 1: in the public, and as I said to you off air, Nick,
Speaker 1: I had a lot of indviews taken down because I
Speaker 1: copped a lot of bullying well eleven years ago now,
Speaker 1: and I just forget it.
Speaker 2: I'm just doing it.
Speaker 1: It's still true. I haven't read my own book because
Speaker 1: I don't need to. And I still remember the details
Speaker 1: of the same way, because when something that out of
Speaker 1: the ordinary happens to you, you do remember. Ask any
Speaker 1: real trauma, because there's less trauma, there's more Roman than
Speaker 1: there's victim.
Speaker 2: They remember details.
Speaker 1: I remembered that everything that happened in the room where
Speaker 1: things were placed, like photographic memory kind of stuff. And
Speaker 1: I don't have that in the rest of my life.
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Speaker 3: If is the axe as aks?
Speaker 1: So okay, so it's news E've gone. And then after
Speaker 1: that grieving. I am a believer in God, and I
Speaker 1: prayed and I begged Grandpa Graham at the same time.
Speaker 1: And I forgot to tell you that he hears me telepathically. Somehow,
Speaker 1: I'm going to digress. I do have a tracking implant,
Speaker 1: much like tracking amplants we put on dogs and cats.
Speaker 1: One of them, the first one, as a baby, was
Speaker 1: in my nose. My nose kept bleeding, Mum kept taking
Speaker 1: me to the doctor. They couldn't stop it. Then I
Speaker 1: remember Grandpa Graham taking me and removing it, and he
Speaker 1: put another one in my left knee under my proteller.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: That one kept until my oh thirties, would come to
Speaker 1: the surface infected and my body would keep rejecting it
Speaker 1: and then go back to and I'd go to a
Speaker 1: doctor and they'd say, you probably fell over as a kid,
Speaker 1: and it's a bit of gravel or something like that.
Speaker 1: But nobody could find it, and then eventually it came
Speaker 1: to the surface, and I had knelt down on the carpet.
Speaker 1: I was just in the middle of moving house, and
Speaker 1: when I stood up, it had come out of the
Speaker 1: skin enough that it caught on the carpet and ripped out.
Speaker 2: It's got a scar there.
Speaker 1: To prove it. And what I found when I washed
Speaker 1: the blood off it was a cone shaped thing, only
Speaker 1: an inch long when fully extended, and if I held
Speaker 1: both ends, one was pointy and one was round and flapped,
Speaker 1: so literally a cone, and I could push it in
Speaker 1: and out and pull it back with my fingers, so
Speaker 1: it was like a telescope. It was made out of
Speaker 1: something I didn't recognize. The best I can give you
Speaker 1: similar to quartz, but it wasn't quartz. It certainly wasn't
Speaker 1: an accidental piece of glass I'd fallen on as a child.
Speaker 1: It was something very engineered. So I washed the blot
Speaker 1: of it, put it on the window sill, and the
Speaker 1: next day it was gone. But what happened during that
Speaker 1: night for the thing to be gone again provable will
Speaker 1: blow your mind. So I was in this new house.
Speaker 1: My children were asleep, and I went to sleep, and
Speaker 1: I had a dog and the dog wouldn't stop barking,
Speaker 1: and she never did. She was standing at the back
Speaker 1: glass barking over the backyard. So I went out to
Speaker 1: see what was going on. Well, I went to the door,
Speaker 1: I didn't open the door, and I could see this
Speaker 1: big ball of light, much like I described from the
Speaker 1: Boody Beach one.
Speaker 2: I knew who it was and what it was, and
Speaker 2: I just went, oh, Hi, hi, guys.
Speaker 1: And I'm ridiculous, but I make myself laugh laugh sometimes,
Speaker 1: but again it's coping and they'd never hurt me. And
Speaker 1: I got felt like I was physically pushed, although there
Speaker 1: was nothing there on the shoulders. Push back to bed,
Speaker 1: go back to bead, don't come out, That's what I
Speaker 1: could hear. So I went back to bed and must
Speaker 1: have been whatever they do to status and went to sleep.
Speaker 1: And when I woke up in the morning, I didn't remember. However,
Speaker 1: on my way to work, and I can remember the road,
Speaker 1: I was on, the house, I was beside the suburb,
Speaker 1: I was in the time the day really clearly, and
Speaker 1: again I'll give you exactly those dates if you want.
Speaker 1: And so on the way to work, on the radio
Speaker 1: on the local radio station, again I can remember exactly,
Speaker 1: the DJ and the radio station. So I rang it
Speaker 1: said there was a body found in a certain street
Speaker 1: behind a house, and it was sliced open and there
Speaker 1: were no guts in it, and there was not a
Speaker 1: drop of blood to be found. And they didn't understand.
Speaker 1: So I then immediately rang the station, the radio station,
Speaker 1: and said, listen, I can tell you about that. It
Speaker 1: was behind my house last night, and it all came
Speaker 1: back to me. Then when they said it, it all flashed back.
Speaker 1: The woman on the phone said, I'll get the manager
Speaker 1: of the station. He came on and he said we're
Speaker 1: not allowed to talk about it. They both sounded terrified
Speaker 1: and they hung up on me. So I rang the police.
Speaker 1: I said, listen, I heard on the radio that you
Speaker 1: found a body was behind my house. I can tell
Speaker 1: you what happened. The police sergeant that had just answered
Speaker 1: the phone for whatever reason said to me verbatim, we
Speaker 1: know it is not human. Case closed, bang hung up
Speaker 1: on me. See, no one want to know. I could
Speaker 1: tell them what happened. It was a dead human. There
Speaker 1: was a murder investigation.
Speaker 2: No one wanted my.
Speaker 1: Statement, and I don't know now in hindsight, no one
Speaker 1: wanted to interview me. So what happened was somebody it
Speaker 1: turned out later, and I have to keep these stories
Speaker 1: a bit shorter. I had tried to break into my house,
Speaker 1: and they'd intended to kill me and my children, or
Speaker 1: they may have or something like that, and the aliens
Speaker 1: had stopped them. So they don't kill, but they do
Speaker 1: kill to protect their own. And because my implant had
Speaker 1: come out, it must have gone all static and they
Speaker 1: must have had that on their tracking equipment, and so
Speaker 1: they'd been alerted that something was rung at my place.
Speaker 1: And whether it's a coincidence they came or whether they
Speaker 1: saw that, I don't know, but that's what happened. I
Speaker 1: would willingly be interviewed by cops about that. But bizarrely,
Speaker 1: once again, any police I've ever told has believed me.
Speaker 1: So all of these things aside, and I did go
Speaker 1: off in a tangent there. I'm sorry, in my grief
Speaker 1: and in my prayers and in my talking to Grandpark
Speaker 1: Graham and him hearing me tell apathetically, I begged to understand.
Speaker 1: I had a million questions and I voiced them in
Speaker 1: my head and I metaphorically stomped around the house, going
Speaker 1: I've had enough of this. I want to understand, you know,
Speaker 1: how dare you do this to me and not explain
Speaker 1: what you're doing.
Speaker 2: I had the right to understand anyway. That night, went
Speaker 2: to bed, got taken.
Speaker 1: Remember clearly, they must have given me less sedation, if
Speaker 1: any at all. Went up into a small spaceship, flew
Speaker 1: up really high into the air, went into a massive
Speaker 1: lighthole at the bottom of a massive mothership. Part the
Speaker 1: little ship little taxi.
Speaker 2: I guess in.
Speaker 1: It and got out, and Grandpa Graham took me on
Speaker 1: a literal tour of the mothership, which is the whole
Speaker 1: story itself. Every question I'd asked was answered. I saw
Speaker 1: things I couldn't possibly have seen on Earth. I met
Speaker 1: a teenage girl that was teaching Hybrid. I made up
Speaker 1: my granddaughter, and I made up the name Humalian. We
Speaker 1: just ingest and it seems to be used now, so
Speaker 1: I'll just say Humalian. I saw a Humalian girl that
Speaker 1: was teaching the Hybrid, the Humalian children about Earth, and
Speaker 1: she had been witnessed on Earth. And I have a
Speaker 1: photograph of her in my book called Humalian. There's a
Speaker 1: black and white copy out now because it's cheaper, called
Speaker 1: Humalian two two. Not the numbers and all the details
Speaker 1: of another ship visitor in there, but a quick go
Speaker 1: overview Grandpa Graham. I was in a ship that was
Speaker 1: really beautiful and to me very futuristic. But Graham said
Speaker 1: it was actually quite old and the old technology and
Speaker 1: they just desperately needed a new one. So the story,
Speaker 1: according to my questions and answers from Grandpa Graham, was
Speaker 1: that they had lived on a planet not that far
Speaker 1: from us.
Speaker 2: Was it Mars? Was it not? Don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 2: People have just asked me that.
Speaker 1: But the planet had either been destroyed by a natural
Speaker 1: event or they had niched themselves like we're threatening to
Speaker 1: do hear on Earth.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: But the planet was then unlivable, and they knew it
Speaker 1: was coming. So they'd built this massive ship and taken
Speaker 1: all their best scientists and breeding people and genetically good people,
Speaker 1: and people did the jobs they need. And I like
Speaker 1: it to Noah's Ark as Noah's Arc shipped to me.
Speaker 1: And in it was everything in the center. It was
Speaker 1: multi stories high. I didn't count. You've got to remember
Speaker 1: the lot going on. You know, Some things I remember clearly,
Speaker 1: Some things I forgot to ask. But in the center
Speaker 1: was park grass floating in the center and trees in pots,
Speaker 1: and above that was a lighthole at the top too,
Speaker 1: So there's obviously artificial light coming in from the top
Speaker 1: on the bottom, and Grandpa Goan saw that. So we've
Speaker 1: got some oxygen and we're trying to keep parts of
Speaker 1: our planet alive. So this tree probably came from their planet,
Speaker 1: but it wasn't that dissimilar to ours. May have come
Speaker 1: from I don't know, but when certainly not the only
Speaker 1: planet out there, and we are certainly not the only
Speaker 1: life on planets. So just because they've got a different
Speaker 1: tree species or different shaped eyes, doesn't mean they're very
Speaker 1: much different to us. And that he said that was
Speaker 1: for the humanian children or the children or whatever to
Speaker 1: play in. And why are some on the ship and
Speaker 1: some on Earth. Well, there's no way of knowing what
Speaker 1: the genetic is going to do here on Earth. Mother
Speaker 1: father baby gets part of dad, part of mum, and
Speaker 1: you don't know which one they're going to look like. Well,
Speaker 1: same deal for their interbreeding, and so if they're human enough,
Speaker 1: they get to come back on live on Earth and
Speaker 1: they get to be left in the mother's uterus, and
Speaker 1: if they're not human enough and they look alien, they
Speaker 1: have to take them up there to keep them living
Speaker 1: in their environment. But their environment is less oxygen, more
Speaker 1: carbon dioxide, colder, slower, their heart rate is slower, their
Speaker 1: blow pressure is lower, their breathing is barely you can
Speaker 1: barely see it. These are just the mercy things that
Speaker 1: I observed and asked questions about. So then we got
Speaker 1: into these. We were on one of the verandahs, and
Speaker 1: one of the questions I'd asked was can you take
Speaker 1: me there for two weeks and let me stay with
Speaker 1: my children? And he said, well, you're not going to
Speaker 1: survive here in this environment for that long. And remember
Speaker 1: I said that when I come back, I'm sick, if
Speaker 1: especially the longer it is, ESSI gram. So he showed
Speaker 1: me the room that they lived in, and it was
Speaker 1: very minimalistic, to say the least. No corners made of
Speaker 1: a silver metal. I cannot we don't have not aluminium,
Speaker 1: not silver, not mercury, not I don't know, mixtures of
Speaker 1: three and alloy perhaps, but something very smooth and beautiful.
Speaker 1: There was a bed in one corner and a window
Speaker 1: around window above it which I could see the stars
Speaker 1: out of and I certainly have not seen them like
Speaker 1: that on.
Speaker 2: Earth, so couldn't have made that up.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that bed looks cold and hard, and
Speaker 1: so Grandpa Grams had sit on it, so I did,
Speaker 1: and it wasn't even though it was metal, it was
Speaker 1: soft and spongy and not cold at all. And in
Speaker 1: the corner was just a few shelves when covered. Because
Speaker 1: I basically asked if I could bring my toothbrush and
Speaker 1: my hair brush, tone of clothes, so I guess that's
Speaker 1: about all I could bring. But he said, they don't
Speaker 1: have those knees. We had too many material things here
Speaker 1: on earth, all of us. They just have not to
Speaker 1: need them, or they didn't, I don't know. I guess
Speaker 1: they learned not to need them because they had to.
Speaker 1: And then we went to the next room. And the
Speaker 1: next room was this little girl or tenage girl, and
Speaker 1: that's why we went in the room. And this girl
Speaker 1: was sitting on a levitating stool I suppose no legs,
Speaker 1: and there were all these toddlers sitting around, and.
Speaker 2: One of them was my granddaughter.
Speaker 1: And I didn't know that, I said, my Humalian granddaughter,
Speaker 1: but my soul knew that because I looked straight at
Speaker 1: it in Grandpa Graham and said, that's your granddaughter. So
Speaker 1: my Humalian children have had children on the ship, and
Speaker 1: she was so beautiful. They're just they are beautiful creatures,
Speaker 1: really they are. Whether they're when I have a theory
Speaker 1: that mixed jeans on Earth two different races produce beautiful
Speaker 1: children because they're clean genes and we're not interbreeding in
Speaker 1: villages like we did hundreds of years ago. What's the
Speaker 1: same with them makes a humlion a human? And they're
Speaker 1: just stunning, they really are. They seem to get the
Speaker 1: best of faith, the best if they make it. Now,
Speaker 1: I just will go on a tangent intentionally. Here I
Speaker 1: saw in a well known Sydney hospital a gray, fully gray,
Speaker 1: fully formed, fully termed alien baby in a jar of
Speaker 1: formaldehyde that had come out of a human woman. I
Speaker 1: was shown it by the professors in the hospital because
Speaker 1: they Because there's more to that story, I won't tell
Speaker 1: all that a lot. But so I've seen these people
Speaker 1: physically and on my visits. I've seen them on Earth,
Speaker 1: and I send them in space, but it's my body.
Speaker 1: It's not an out of body experience. They are not clones, spirits, demons, monsters,
Speaker 1: cruel they're not going to eat humans.
Speaker 2: They under those things.
Speaker 1: They're like the fact that some of my grandchildren are
Speaker 1: half another European country. That it's all, honestly, And once
Speaker 1: I understood all that, what was the fear? I see
Speaker 1: ethical questions.
Speaker 2: In the breathing.
Speaker 1: I now know that when the fetuses are removed from
Speaker 1: the mother, they put into an artificial womb in a
Speaker 1: big room, and that's just horrible, and they're playing with
Speaker 1: babies' lives. And I know we're not all but I'm
Speaker 1: anti abortion, anti anything like that. So Grandpa Graham said
Speaker 1: to me, and I didn't know about this room until
Speaker 1: considerably later. He said, I didn't show you that at
Speaker 1: first because I knew't you wouldn't sit well with you.
Speaker 1: And he actually said, I'm really, really sorry. We've probably
Speaker 1: made you sick because all the time you're in space
Speaker 1: and the stuff we've done to you, we didn't intend
Speaker 1: for that to happen. But you do it to cows
Speaker 1: and rats and monkeys. Hmmm, good point, but you know, thanks. However,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't swap these experiences for the world, and would
Speaker 1: rather be sick and have had the experiences, they were
Speaker 1: just incredible, and I know people that will have ancestors
Speaker 1: that one day we'll live on Earth. Now, it's remember
Speaker 1: I said, if I should do a diagram and it
Speaker 1: all linking, I could put ars things, but that if
Speaker 1: they were too alien, they'd have to go back and
Speaker 1: live with them because they couldn't survive on Earth, and
Speaker 1: if they were human enough, they'd let them live on Earth. Well,
Speaker 1: I have met or seen in the street several people
Speaker 1: that I recognize as humanian by traits, certain physical traits
Speaker 1: about them, and they look at me and we look
Speaker 1: straight into each other's eyes and can hear each other
Speaker 1: talking strangers in the street. Not a lot, but enough
Speaker 1: to not it's true. So their point, the Grays point,
Speaker 1: is to when they left their planet and lived in space,
Speaker 1: they lost their fertility, their alability to breed, so that's
Speaker 1: why they.
Speaker 2: Developed overf but it didn't work straight up.
Speaker 1: It's taken a few generations because of the different atmospheric pressures,
Speaker 1: oxygenal stuff I've already mentioned. So they're hoping that if
Speaker 1: you breed several generations down, eventually they're going to have
Speaker 1: someone that's part gray but looks human that can survive
Speaker 1: in our atmosphere without getting sick and also survive in
Speaker 1: their am sphere without getting sick. Now why it's because
Speaker 1: they claim, or Grandpa Graham claimed that their ancestral memories
Speaker 1: are all on their DNA, so they remember things from
Speaker 1: millions of years ago. They can access things that have
Speaker 1: already been learned, things that have already been studied, and
Speaker 1: they've got this massive library of just for the sake
Speaker 1: of visualizing, imagine a massive room, several stories high, full
Speaker 1: of slides out of the lab. They're not slides, there's
Speaker 1: something else, but the walls aligned with samples of the DNA.
Speaker 1: And he said to insists from all over the universe,
Speaker 1: different planets, different animals, different plants, And that's why this
Speaker 1: is snow as Uk.
Speaker 2: And we have to keep this going. We've got to.
Speaker 1: If you blow up Earth, which and hey, look what's
Speaker 1: going on in the world now, we lose our multiple
Speaker 1: generations worth of bringing experiments. Plus those of us that
Speaker 1: believe think that believe it's not the right word. No,
Speaker 1: I think that there's probably aliens on Earth for AONs, thousands,
Speaker 1: even millions of years. But this is just someone I'm
Speaker 1: talking about now. The greatest experience that probably started in Roswell,
Speaker 1: So there's a reason for their experiments that I've started
Speaker 1: with their sum up. They're human like, they're not human,
Speaker 1: but they're very similar to humans. I've gotten to know
Speaker 1: them as individual people, and the ones I know are
Speaker 1: all different personalities. As a weed, they're like our International
Speaker 1: Space Station astronauts doing experiments where the lab rats just fat.
Speaker 1: They don't mean to harm us, but they're trying to
Speaker 1: keep their race going and their information going. And I
Speaker 1: think eventually it'll be fine. I think they'll be Humalians
Speaker 1: walking amongst us, working in McDonald's, working in architecture jobs, whatever, whatever,
Speaker 1: and it'll be like, well, the best example one thing,
Speaker 1: it will be like when Captain Cook came to Australia.
Speaker 1: We know the Dutch gott Effirsts don't start me, and
Speaker 1: Captain Cook's men thought that the Aborigines were demons because
Speaker 1: they are very black, and the Aboriginal he thought that
Speaker 1: Captain Cook's men were ghosts because they were very white.
Speaker 1: And they were both wrong, obviously, and obviously we can
Speaker 1: breed with each other. And it's not just Aborigin like
Speaker 1: all different racist it's just that I'm Australian. That's the
Speaker 1: best example I can give you. So what I really
Speaker 1: want is for people to realize that these people are,
Speaker 1: including my own two biological children, however, they were conceived
Speaker 1: or born, very much people.
Speaker 2: And I'm sure.
Speaker 1: That in their race they have good and bad and
Speaker 1: I'm sure that demons exist too, but they're not in
Speaker 1: But we've got the best of them doing as we
Speaker 1: do on the ISS. We've got the scientists, we've got
Speaker 1: the educated ones, and we've got the non criminal ones.
Speaker 1: I also discovered that they have a no tolerance crime
Speaker 1: and anybody who does anything wrong.
Speaker 2: Just is killed. Yep.
Speaker 1: But that's what they do. So they have a very
Speaker 1: good society, working very well. Everyone's got a job, everyone eats.
Speaker 1: They have communal eating rooms, but private bedrooms. Families live together.
Speaker 1: They don't have money, but they have a points system
Speaker 1: so they have to earn what they eat.
Speaker 2: It's really really all good and we could learn so
Speaker 2: much from them.
Speaker 1: And I am now sixty five, so a lot of
Speaker 1: what I saw was a long time ago, and didn't
Speaker 1: things didn't exist on this earth. We didn't even have
Speaker 1: mobile phones, let alone ultrasounds, ivs sendoscopies, like bending technology.
Speaker 1: A lot of that stuff has come true, but not
Speaker 1: all of it. I've seen a lot of stuff that's
Speaker 1: still not here, but it will be. And I don't
Speaker 1: think they're thousands of years ahead of us. I think
Speaker 1: they're only hundreds of years ahead of us. And I
Speaker 1: don't think they're brilliantly smarter than us. I think it's
Speaker 1: just that's their slice of society, the slice of the
Speaker 1: pie of the educated ones. But they certainly know a
Speaker 1: lot more than us, and they seem to have learnt
Speaker 1: by it, and in my experience, they believe in a god,
Speaker 1: the same god as us, and they definitely have a soul.
Speaker 3: Thanks Nick, thank you for sharing all that.
Speaker 2: Jane, You're welcome. I hope it helps.
Speaker 3: Someone, Indeed it will. How do you feel fine?
Speaker 2: Because I'm know I'm down the truth. I feel good
Speaker 2: when I do it.
Speaker 1: It's like I feel like I'm a little bit nervous
Speaker 1: to start with, because I know it can sound nutty
Speaker 1: if you haven't seen anything. I feel good after it
Speaker 1: because it's true exactly.
Speaker 3: That's what it's all about it. If it happened, then
Speaker 3: there's no problem. Jane, do you think that an abduction
Speaker 3: can be truly considered positive if the person cannot give
Speaker 3: informed consent.
Speaker 1: No, And even though I carry on in a happy
Speaker 1: fashion and like them, I understand the negatives and that's
Speaker 1: part of my trauma.
Speaker 2: But I've worked through it.
Speaker 1: And if other people are still terrified and don't remember everything,
Speaker 1: so no, I guess it's not one hundred percent positive.
Speaker 2: But the visit itself is I.
Speaker 1: Like them, They like me, they're kind to me, they
Speaker 1: answer my questions, they're gentle, they're loving. There are doctors
Speaker 1: and nurses and scientists, but the understanswer has to be no.
Speaker 1: It's understandable that some people are frightened, and I would
Speaker 1: never have consented to them taking through my children. So
Speaker 1: that's the other thing. I've just been through all the
Speaker 1: stages of grief, including anger, and because I was lucky
Speaker 1: enough to have studied that a bit and worked with
Speaker 1: that a bit, I able to help myself with it.
Speaker 3: I guess, of course, Yeah, people deal with it in
Speaker 3: different ways. They do. You said you processed it and
Speaker 3: you looked at it as if they were just somewhere else,
Speaker 3: like a child living somewhere else. Did you ever given names?
Speaker 2: Yes, I did, and they're all in the book. They've
Speaker 2: all got names.
Speaker 1: Howe about my Earth children in the book have fake names,
Speaker 1: and that's the only thing in the book that's fake,
Speaker 1: non diplumes, because that's just not fair to my children.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course that's more than understandable.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's no like my humanian children. It doesn't matter,
Speaker 1: does it. No one's going to go and find them
Speaker 1: unless they're in the know. So it was all right
Speaker 1: to put their real names. But they're just names I've
Speaker 1: given them. They have names in gray language. I just
Speaker 1: felt I needed to see them as people, because they are.
Speaker 3: Were you ever given an indication that you would ever
Speaker 3: see them?
Speaker 1: Yes, and I have. I have not enough, but I
Speaker 1: have seen them, so that helps a lot. I just
Speaker 1: wish they could come down here and stay, stay for
Speaker 1: a couple of weeks, or I could go there and
Speaker 1: stay for a couple of weeks. But I now understand
Speaker 1: why they can't and I can't.
Speaker 3: I mean, it makes sense, especially what we've heard over
Speaker 3: the years and what you've explained tonight. You formed a
Speaker 3: bond with one of them.
Speaker 2: I did. Yeah, Well, Graham's just a bit of a joke,
Speaker 2: a play on gray.
Speaker 1: You know, the color g r a y, I am,
Speaker 1: you know, playing with the human name, and that people
Speaker 1: call them the grays just a joke, and he thinks
Speaker 1: it's funny. And then the grandpaet is, well, he's old
Speaker 1: enough to be my I think I actually now think
Speaker 1: the end of it all that he is he's DNA
Speaker 1: is in me somehow. Of course I have his parents
Speaker 1: and human parents and human grandparents, but I think that
Speaker 1: it's further down the line in my family tree.
Speaker 3: Okay, And did he ever tell you obviously you've asked
Speaker 3: a lot of questions over time. Did he ever tell
Speaker 3: you how long this breeding program has been going and
Speaker 3: how long it will last?
Speaker 1: For?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yes, no, yes, he told me that.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not I am old in your books,
Speaker 1: but I'm not old enough to remember Eisenhower. And he
Speaker 1: did tell me that President Eisenhower made an agreement after
Speaker 1: the Bronzewell. And I think this is not well known,
Speaker 1: but known with them to experiment on humans for the
Speaker 1: breeding program and in exchange for technology. And we certainly
Speaker 1: have gone ahead medically and perhaps in technology I don't
Speaker 1: know about on Earth.
Speaker 2: So they exchanged it for.
Speaker 1: Tech, and Eisenhower allegedly gave them a list of junior
Speaker 1: mostly English soldiers, and they just took their babies in
Speaker 1: experiment on them, and people just thought they had a miscarriage.
Speaker 1: And so that's only I don't know, four or five generations.
Speaker 1: But they have been here for thousands of years. They
Speaker 1: told me they saw the birth and the death of Christ,
Speaker 1: and they saw the Great Flood, and they saw lots
Speaker 1: of things that archaeologists have discovered since. But that's their ancestors.
Speaker 1: Of course, Grandpa goings down the generations.
Speaker 3: So say, officially they basically started this with Eisenhower. That
Speaker 3: would have been nineteen fifty four.
Speaker 1: Well, I was born in nineteen sixty one. That's the
Speaker 1: same year as the Betty and Barney Hill case, which
Speaker 1: I now know, which was the first recorded abduction witnessed
Speaker 1: by two people case same year. And my biological father
Speaker 1: was a junior English officer and his brother was I
Speaker 1: six spy for England, and that again is provable. So
Speaker 1: but what Eyesen how allegedly said was just to make
Speaker 1: sure they don't know, and so they were sedating us
Speaker 1: and wiping our memories. But as time's gone on, people
Speaker 1: like me have stopped around and go But I want
Speaker 1: to understand and some of us they take without sedation.
Speaker 2: I'm not the only one again.
Speaker 1: And I think I just got on really really well
Speaker 1: with Grandpa Graham and we formed a relationship and he
Speaker 1: was happy to help me and try and apologize.
Speaker 2: What they've done.
Speaker 1: But if I hadn't been a labrat, wouldn't seen what
Speaker 1: I've seen or have met Grandpa Graham.
Speaker 2: And I'm not swapping that for the world.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you developed, and you've had these experiences obviously in
Speaker 3: the very big and you didn't understand what was going on.
Speaker 3: I didn't, and you performed this relationship with him. And
Speaker 3: it does seem if you grow over a lot of
Speaker 3: many of the abduction cases and people I speak to,
Speaker 3: there seems to be a figure, whether it be male
Speaker 3: or female, that seems to connect with the oh wow individual.
Speaker 1: As it was explained to me, groups of children from
Speaker 1: beginning to end, and those are all around my age now,
Speaker 1: some older, some younger, but the same group. And they've
Speaker 1: organized these groups and then they've followed them right through
Speaker 1: and they'll continue to follow us through until we die,
Speaker 1: because why would I be taken post menopause? But anyway,
Speaker 1: I think that somebody's in charge of each of those groups,
Speaker 1: and then somebody's in charge of the bigger project, much
Speaker 1: like we would, and then there's probably a CEO or
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. And we went into
Speaker 1: this room at one point, just on the mother ship,
Speaker 1: so this explains it.
Speaker 2: And there were all.
Speaker 1: These grays with their heads down working on levitating tables,
Speaker 1: doing something, and one of them look dub his eyes widened,
Speaker 1: their magnificent eyes, I'll tell you, and he nodded, and
Speaker 1: Grandpa Graham was allowed to show me around, and no
Speaker 1: one else looked up. Now, whether I don't know whether
Speaker 1: that was a respect thing, whether Grandpa Graham was the
Speaker 1: boss with the others were workers, whether the one that
Speaker 1: looked up was the next boss, I really don't know.
Speaker 2: But it all reminded me of the sort of hierarchy
Speaker 2: we have on Earth.
Speaker 1: So and I also have somebody else, two other women
Speaker 1: tell me that they think they know Grandpa Graham too
Speaker 1: from my descriptions.
Speaker 2: So I'm sure that you're right.
Speaker 1: But I hadn't. I mean, that's just my little circle.
Speaker 1: I hadn't heard that that was the main figure. But
Speaker 1: that would that would make sense, wouldn't it If they're
Speaker 1: all organized in groups.
Speaker 2: Science groups. Do you know what I mean by that?
Speaker 3: Maybe like a like a cosmic social worker case officer,
Speaker 3: something like that is mind you. It doesn't happen in
Speaker 3: every account. It just seems to be the ones which
Speaker 3: there's been prolonged multiple contacts.
Speaker 1: I think too, when I'm telling you this story, I
Speaker 1: feel love for a grandfatherly man called Grandpa Graham to me.
Speaker 1: And you can't imagine love, That's what I think. And
Speaker 1: you can't imagine you're loving your children, and you can't
Speaker 1: imagine different faces. And I've heard that human beings can't
Speaker 1: dream things they haven't seen at least part of you know,
Speaker 1: like the seed of the scene that they're dreaming, or
Speaker 1: I cannot make up their feeling of love. You can't imagine.
Speaker 1: You can't love an imagine your friend. So I love
Speaker 1: Grandpa Graham. He's real, Yeah, and I love him in
Speaker 1: a very appropriate way.
Speaker 3: Did he ever tell you or did you ever ask
Speaker 3: where they originated from?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: And he said I wouldn't know the name of the planet.
Speaker 1: There wasn't a human name for the planet, so he
Speaker 1: couldn't give it to me because I can't stand click
Speaker 1: click click, And I have wondered if it was Mars,
Speaker 1: but I didn't wander that till I got back from visit,
Speaker 1: so it may or may not be, but it was
Speaker 1: that scenario. He did say, like the Mars scenario. So no,
Speaker 1: I I haven't got a name. And the other thing
Speaker 1: I forgot to ask is people often say did you
Speaker 1: see what they eat?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But I forgot to ask. Remember I said, they only
Speaker 1: answer what you ask, don't I.
Speaker 3: When did you ask that? Were you young? A lot
Speaker 3: younger when you asked that?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: I asked the mothership and all. This was only about
Speaker 1: just before I write the book, So back to twenty fourteen,
Speaker 1: because I was stumping around in my head asking questions
Speaker 1: and saying I deserve to understand and how dare they
Speaker 1: take me all those times and not explain what they
Speaker 1: were doing?
Speaker 2: So I came.
Speaker 1: Back going, wow, that was amazing. I've gone for fifteen hours,
Speaker 1: so no wonder I felt sick. But I also came
Speaker 1: back thinking, oh, I didn't ask this, and I didn't
Speaker 1: ask that, So I don't know what. There'll be another opportunity,
Speaker 1: but that's what's happened.
Speaker 3: A lot of people say that the abductions for the
Speaker 3: breeding program has ceased, but I still get accounts, And
Speaker 3: could it be that people that were originally getting it,
Speaker 3: you know, they've got older, you know, like yourself, So
Speaker 3: could it be that it's still carrying on, but with
Speaker 3: obviously younger generations.
Speaker 1: Well I think that once i've certainly been less times
Speaker 1: and seen more in the sky, you have those sins.
Speaker 1: I wasn't fertile, but I think that they go down
Speaker 1: the generations and you might have this is not me.
Speaker 1: You might have four children and eight grandchildren, and they
Speaker 1: might take one of your grandchildren regularly, So they're still
Speaker 1: following the DNA down the lines, but they're not taking
Speaker 1: everybody in your family. I suspect my grandfather might have
Speaker 1: been taken, but unfortunately he's not alive, and I didn't
Speaker 1: have the courage to ask before he went. And I
Speaker 1: guess one of my grandchildren may be now, or maybe
Speaker 1: one of their.
Speaker 2: Children will be.
Speaker 1: I don't think the breeding programs over at all, because
Speaker 1: that's not how it works. They need to keep going
Speaker 1: until they can live on this planet. Haven't got another
Speaker 1: planet to go to, so they want their race on
Speaker 1: this Earth or species what if you want to call it,
Speaker 1: and all their DNA memories on the Earth so it
Speaker 1: can't be over yet, but it will be older people.
Speaker 1: You can't take me and breed me with me now,
Speaker 1: so that bit stops, But that doesn't Visits might stop
Speaker 1: if you're not particularly interested in cold emotionally or don't
Speaker 1: remember much.
Speaker 2: But I'm enthusiastic and pushing.
Speaker 3: It's something which is definitely going to take a lot
Speaker 3: of time. It's a bit like the evolution of animals,
Speaker 3: isn't it. It takes a largely a long period of time.
Speaker 2: Yep, I do know.
Speaker 1: Grandpa and Graham did tell me that they were really
Speaker 1: terrifieds the wrong way, but very very concerned about us
Speaker 1: destroying ourselves, as in humans destroying the planet with nukes,
Speaker 1: and it will ruin not only all of their However,
Speaker 1: Aon's perhaps have experiments.
Speaker 2: They'll probably do it before roswell. I don't know. That's
Speaker 2: just all I do know.
Speaker 1: And they won't have anywhere to live either. Plus nuclear
Speaker 1: weapons reverberate out into space and knock all the planets
Speaker 1: off their track. But I also met and asked a
Speaker 1: retired old physicist if we had nukes big enough to
Speaker 1: destroy the whole planet, and he said, we do. We
Speaker 1: do so, as I've written in the last chapter of
Speaker 1: my book in detail. When they told this man said, yes,
Speaker 1: that is absolutely possible. Now I wouldn't have known that
Speaker 1: because that's not my field of expertise. So I don't
Speaker 1: believe the breeding program's over. I do believe we're threatening
Speaker 1: not only ourselves, but the rest of the universe, or
Speaker 1: at least the planet's closest to us. And I think
Speaker 1: humans are being absolute idiots with this beautiful planet. And
Speaker 1: why do we get so many visitors from out of space,
Speaker 1: Because we do have a beautiful planet. We do have
Speaker 1: all these resources that they can't find elsewhere. We do
Speaker 1: have somewhere they can live, provided they just adjust their
Speaker 1: air needs. And we're very, very lucky. And here we
Speaker 1: are fighting with each other, killing each other, and trying
Speaker 1: to blow up the whole planet. And even just the
Speaker 1: missiles that have been going off in the last month
Speaker 1: or so or two months, I think now with American
Speaker 1: Iran and the hooties in the Middle East, they're causing
Speaker 1: earthquakes and threatening tsunamis and all sorts of things. There
Speaker 1: was an earthquake just after all that mass lot of
Speaker 1: missiles went off last week, So they're really worried, and
Speaker 1: the good plan. They've got a plan to take as
Speaker 1: many of us US and theirs as they can get
Speaker 1: off the planet if the nukes do go off. But
Speaker 1: you see, and here I haven't seen firsthand of incidents
Speaker 1: where a UFO comes in and blows some sort of
Speaker 1: blast at a missile going over to another country and
Speaker 1: they've they've thwartered it and stopped it.
Speaker 2: So I'm pretty sure they're watching.
Speaker 1: And I think I suspect or I don't know if
Speaker 1: I was told or it's just put it in my
Speaker 1: head for some reason that we think we've been here
Speaker 1: thousands of years humans. No, Apparently we've destroyed the planet
Speaker 1: again and again and again, and each time there's a
Speaker 1: new Adam and Eve, a new human race, and it
Speaker 1: builds up all over again. And our DNA, we've only
Speaker 1: had DNA since well, only in the public.
Speaker 2: I think it was maybe the fifties. But we're in
Speaker 2: the public.
Speaker 1: We're only known about DNA since the late nineties. With
Speaker 1: all these my Heritage, Ancestory, dot Com, all of these sites,
Speaker 1: there's an awful lot of DNA available to the government
Speaker 1: to test, isn't there. So I guess there's a lot
Speaker 1: of alien DNA mixed in that, and the more advanced
Speaker 1: we get with their DNA testing, the more we're going
Speaker 1: to realize that this is true. But hindsight's a funny thing,
Speaker 1: isn't it.
Speaker 2: Isn't it just I didn't know this as I was
Speaker 2: going through it.
Speaker 3: All human beings are generally destructive, So Graham obviously gave
Speaker 3: you all these warnings. Yes, and obviously all the stuff
Speaker 3: which has happened in the world. I think only last
Speaker 3: night there was quite a big earthquake in Japan.
Speaker 2: Yes seven point seven, which I've been watching.
Speaker 3: Do they ever say that they anything was to happen
Speaker 3: nuclear wise? Would they intervene?
Speaker 1: Well, they've said that they can't. Will have free will
Speaker 1: all of us, don't we. I feel we all agree
Speaker 1: with that. They can't stop us behaving that way, But
Speaker 1: they are stop intervening bombs going off, So yes, they
Speaker 1: will intervene if a new goes up, if they can,
Speaker 1: But how many can they? People think there's some sort
Speaker 1: of gods or angels or spirits that it's not better
Speaker 1: equipment than us. So there's a limit to what they
Speaker 1: can do. But they've got like an evacuation plan and
Speaker 1: a whole lot of what I can only call ambulance
Speaker 1: ships ready to because it'll take about fifteen minutes to
Speaker 1: go from wherever the nuke goes off. It'll trigger tsunami's, earthquakes, whatever.
Speaker 1: All the way across the world is like a Domino's thing,
Speaker 1: and it's about fifteen minutes gets from one side to
Speaker 1: the other. So that's how long they've got to pick
Speaker 1: up a few people and keep their race and our
Speaker 1: race going. But let's hope it doesn't happen. They've said
Speaker 1: it doesn't have to happen, but they've got a plan
Speaker 1: because we're all idiots down here.
Speaker 3: That's a good way of putting in here.
Speaker 2: Honestly.
Speaker 3: You mentioned other abductees, other people that were aboard the
Speaker 3: ships that you've met.
Speaker 1: You've made contact with them, Yeah, well they've made contact
Speaker 1: with me because they saw me on an interview.
Speaker 2: Otherwise we wouldn't have known about each other. That's right,
Speaker 2: I have.
Speaker 1: There's only three, the same three, which is not that many.
Speaker 1: A lot of people say to me, I think I
Speaker 1: remember seeing you. I go, okay, that's fine, but there's
Speaker 1: only three that we remember each other, and one of
Speaker 1: them's overseas. Couldn't We never possibly have met, and we've
Speaker 1: kept in touch and she just saw an interview and
Speaker 1: then went our MBU. Right. Really clearly, that's just great
Speaker 1: when you've got multiple witnesses to the same thing, because
Speaker 1: if people want to argue psychosis, you don't have two
Speaker 1: people having the same hallucination. It just doesn't work that way,
Speaker 1: different brains. So it's not it had to be a
Speaker 1: real event. Whether it's explained that way or another way,
Speaker 1: it still actually happened.
Speaker 3: So you mentioned there was several people that you've seen
Speaker 3: aboard these ships, So there could be a lot of
Speaker 3: people out there which maybe don't have any memories of
Speaker 3: these experiences, or they have some memories but they don't
Speaker 3: share it. So there could be many many people.
Speaker 1: Are because I'll talk to you online or messenger, but
Speaker 1: they won't talk publicly. And I have a reputation for
Speaker 1: never betraying anybody's confidences. There are there's a lot of
Speaker 1: people remember but don't want anyone else to know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, of course, Yeah, we feel the same on this
Speaker 3: show as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's true.
Speaker 1: But it's a shame because of everybody that had the
Speaker 1: experience has spoke out, they'd be very little doubt, very
Speaker 1: little date.
Speaker 3: So a lot of people it's in time, when it's
Speaker 3: the right time.
Speaker 1: Well I think I'll be long gone, but it doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: I'm starting something and other people can take the beton.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing. Egos. People want to be the
Speaker 1: top dog, the one that knows the most, the one
Speaker 1: that can. I mean I very often say I don't
Speaker 1: know or I didn't ask. They want to be the
Speaker 1: lead researcher, the lead abductee, and they don't want anybody
Speaker 1: else's story to come out.
Speaker 2: And it's not like that.
Speaker 1: We need all of the stories to come out, and
Speaker 1: we need to work together as the human race, not
Speaker 1: an individual person. I'm sorry if that sounds a little altruistic,
Speaker 1: but I think that's sound.
Speaker 3: Feel that's the way it should be. Unfortunately, there are
Speaker 3: people out there which are like that. Yeah, see, you
Speaker 3: certainly see in this field for sure a lot of
Speaker 3: people having these experiences. So we need to get rid
Speaker 3: of those barriers which are holding people back. So, Jane,
Speaker 3: what advice would you have for anyone listening out there
Speaker 3: which you've had experiences very similar to yours, have had
Speaker 3: problems adjusting to what they believers happened to them.
Speaker 1: I would say, we have an internet, now find other
Speaker 1: abjuctees and talk to them the details. Everybody's belief system
Speaker 1: is different, everybody's perception is different, but they are key
Speaker 1: details that match. That's the biggest healer. The other one
Speaker 1: is do what I made myself do. Write your snippets
Speaker 1: of memories down and put them in chronological order and
Speaker 1: see what you get. Mightn't work for you, but it might.
Speaker 1: And if you talk to other people, if you can
Speaker 1: talk to other people with that are abductees, you're pretty
Speaker 1: well healed because you go see not just me, or
Speaker 1: find the evidence, even if it's not for anybody else,
Speaker 1: like police reports. You know, for that body story that
Speaker 1: I told, try and get other witnesses that saw the
Speaker 1: alien spaceship with you. You're not going to give it
Speaker 1: to anyone or do anything with it, but it's going
Speaker 1: to heal you because you're going to realize that if
Speaker 1: not just you saw it, then it's probably true. And
Speaker 1: I think the human problem, they very human problem, is
Speaker 1: when something too is too scary, we just go bang denial,
Speaker 1: can't cope, don't want to remember, don't want to face.
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to deal with a grief anymore
Speaker 1: and wanted to be okay with it. So I just
Speaker 1: made myself and that's what I did.
Speaker 2: So find the guts.
Speaker 1: You don't have to give your name or tell the public,
Speaker 1: but find the guts to put it all down, tell
Speaker 1: a trusted friend. There are plenty of people that don't
Speaker 1: believe me. That's their problem, and that's what you're doing.
Speaker 1: We'll probably find the same, but you'll find more do
Speaker 1: than don't. I mean, I had friend ring me up
Speaker 1: that I've known for years the other day and say,
Speaker 1: I finally read your book. It's been sitting there in
Speaker 1: my study and I had a clean up. And he
Speaker 1: didn't believe in the whole thing, doesn't believe in God,
Speaker 1: doesn't believe in aliens. That's fine, I'm always need to
Speaker 1: agree with me to be my friend. And he said,
Speaker 1: I read your book, and he said, you know what,
Speaker 1: I believe you and I know you, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if I can cope with this. So stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Other people, you know, don't go for being famous, just
Speaker 1: don't just go for healing yourself and other people. And
Speaker 1: you think I thought I was out there trying to
Speaker 1: help other abductees. I only need to discover I was
Speaker 1: accidentally helping myself. So try and help other people.
Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. And you know, sharing these
Speaker 3: accounts it's liberating, and it's not just liberating for the guest,
Speaker 3: the people listening out there. Jane, you're going to be
Speaker 3: helping other people. Just helps one person and that's you know,
Speaker 3: that's job.
Speaker 1: Done actly, just one person, and then that one person
Speaker 1: helps another person pass it on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the.
Speaker 1: Reason I'm still going, even though I've had positive and
Speaker 1: negative feedback from people.
Speaker 3: Wow, you know you're always going to get that for sure.
Speaker 3: You never please everyone, Jane. So no, Now to our listeners,
Speaker 3: I met Jane quite actually, quite a while ago via
Speaker 3: a Facebook page. It's the same name, it's Humanian. And
Speaker 3: what I'll do is I will put links down below
Speaker 3: this episode and on the website. So certainly if you
Speaker 3: want to learn more about Jane's experiences and maybe, you know,
Speaker 3: maybe help yourself along the way, I will put Jane's
Speaker 3: Facebook for the page down below and links to her books.
Speaker 1: If anyone wants to ask me questions, join the Facebook page.
Speaker 1: I'll do my best to keep up, I promise to
Speaker 1: answer all questions as I can, but not to be
Speaker 1: rude and ignore you. And the people that I mentioned
Speaker 1: that we saw each other ships are on that page.
Speaker 1: So are a number of other witnesses. They just won't
Speaker 1: say who they are that they often chime in and
Speaker 1: know something, and I wouldn't have them on there if
Speaker 1: they won't turn it.
Speaker 2: So it's all legit, so it's helpful.
Speaker 3: It's helpful. But yeah, to our listeners, I will put
Speaker 3: all Jane's links down for the It is a private page,
Speaker 3: so I'll put that link below and the link to
Speaker 3: Jane's book so you can certainly check her out.
Speaker 2: Okay, thank you. Get to know you. That's nuts.
Speaker 3: Absolutely. You know, we've been talking for quite a while
Speaker 3: and we've finally got the chance to get you on,
Speaker 3: which is wonderful.
Speaker 2: Okay, I am sorry.
Speaker 3: That was my fault. Don't be silly. You wouldn't be
Speaker 3: the first. Just when people are ready, Jane, I really
Speaker 3: appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 2: Thanks, Nick, I appreciate you listening.
Speaker 3: Please please keep me contact Jane okay, yesto, Yeah, we
Speaker 3: will speak soon. Okay, okay, thanks bye, okay bye for now. Jane. Well,
Speaker 3: that is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected
Speaker 3: with the show on x Facebook and Instagram. And if
Speaker 3: you have an encounter that you'd like to share on
Speaker 3: the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at
Speaker 3: gmail dot com, or you can reach out to me
Speaker 3: via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast
Speaker 3: dot com. A big thank you to Jane for sharing tonight,
Speaker 3: and thank you all for listening. I will be back
Speaker 3: next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,