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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

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<v Speaker 3>We don't want to report every thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you wish to report a.

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<v Speaker 4>UFO over hey, we want to one of.

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<v Speaker 3>Those areas thirty one. Do you wish to find a

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<v Speaker 3>report of any kind of it? I wouldn't know what

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<v Speaker 3>kind of reports clouds.

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<v Speaker 1>Time areas thirty one?

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<v Speaker 2>Me neither there.

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<v Speaker 3>See if it was anybody a h above us to

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<v Speaker 3>pass us, like thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>Ago, we were sending one of golf negative, okay, OFFI

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<v Speaker 2>the UFO.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's murder two nine o'clock.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, if you passed over, I go.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know what it was, but it's from at

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<v Speaker 3>least to three thousand feet above us.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I passed out over the top.

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<v Speaker 3>Of US ninety one one. You just called both to

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<v Speaker 3>me before they're after staying the airplanes he is swear.

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<v Speaker 2>To God more calm on an unidentified object every liberty

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<v Speaker 2>four call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 3>Welcome to UFO Chronicles, a place where people share their

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<v Speaker 3>experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had an encounter,

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<v Speaker 3>I would like to be on the show. You can

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<v Speaker 3>email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com. Hello everyone,

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<v Speaker 3>thanks for tuning in again. I'm Nick Hunter and this

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<v Speaker 3>is the UFO Chronicles podcast. Tonight, Jane joins us from

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<v Speaker 3>New South Wales, Australia to share her life long encounters

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<v Speaker 3>with the Grays. Unlike many accounts associated with fear and trauma,

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<v Speaker 3>Jane describes her experience as positive and a cause being

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<v Speaker 3>treated with kindness. She discusses her claimed involvement in a

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<v Speaker 3>gray human hybrid breeding program and how these encounters shaped

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<v Speaker 3>her understanding its possible purpose and a surprising figure known

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<v Speaker 3>as Graham. Jane is up next, but first, if you

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<v Speaker 3>Hello Jane, Welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you Nick.

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<v Speaker 3>It's wonderful to have you on finally, and you are

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<v Speaker 3>joining us from New South Wales in Australia.

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<v Speaker 2>I am I'm near Gosford, New South wos.

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<v Speaker 3>Near Gosford wonderful shouts while Gosford listeners out there. Now, Jane,

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<v Speaker 3>as a lifelong abductee, you have some experiences you're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be sharing with us. Would you like to start

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<v Speaker 3>the beginning please, ma'am sure.

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<v Speaker 1>So just before I do start what I've seen, though,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just explain a bit so that it makes some sense,

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<v Speaker 1>which is I have I refer to a character called

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<v Speaker 1>Graham or Grandpa Graham, and he is an old now

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<v Speaker 1>gray man who has been the one to pick me

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<v Speaker 1>up all my life. So I see these gray aliens

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<v Speaker 1>as people just like humans, but with a different look.

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<v Speaker 1>I've still got a body of face, arms and legs,

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<v Speaker 1>and a soul on a personnel. So when I say

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<v Speaker 1>Grandpa Graham, that's who that is. The nickname just evolved.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get to that. And I see them as like

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<v Speaker 1>our International Space Station astronauts. They're mostly scientists or doctors

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<v Speaker 1>or nurses that have been sent out to do research

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<v Speaker 1>on lab rats on another planet, which unfortunately we are,

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<v Speaker 1>and I know that's a negative, but they've been very

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<v Speaker 1>kind to me. So my experience is mostly good, or

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<v Speaker 1>it's all good, but I understand the questions around the ethics.

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<v Speaker 1>So my very first experience, I remember being in a

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<v Speaker 1>coot and under two, maybe just under two from when

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<v Speaker 1>it was I pulled myself up standing in the coot.

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<v Speaker 1>I know most people don't remember this age, but big

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<v Speaker 1>events like this you do. You just it's like it

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't trauma, but it's like trauma, and that the details

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<v Speaker 1>stick in your head. And that was one of those.

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<v Speaker 1>So and then at the end of my cot was

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<v Speaker 1>standing this man. I didn't know any of this then,

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm speaking in hindsight. C with big, beautiful eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>I think they're beautiful.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think they're scary in the least, like only bigger,

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<v Speaker 1>but like possum's eyes or cow's eyes or just gentle.

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<v Speaker 2>A bald, big head.

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<v Speaker 1>With two lumps on either side and a very narrow

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<v Speaker 1>pointed chin and skinny I'd say, nobody fat or muscle

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<v Speaker 1>that I could see. And he had a full body

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<v Speaker 1>suit on that was skin colored, his skin colored, and

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<v Speaker 1>his skin was bluey gray more than gray. And I

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<v Speaker 1>now know, looking back, my background is many years in nursing,

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<v Speaker 1>although I'm retired now, so I now see that their

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<v Speaker 1>skin is just a different color. As if they have

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<v Speaker 1>low oxygen, because they do, they breathe different air to us,

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<v Speaker 1>whereas we're pink because we've got more oxygen going around blood.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just stuff like that. They're still a physical person.

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<v Speaker 1>These differences are no more than the differences between an

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<v Speaker 1>African man, an Asian woman, and an Anglo child.

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<v Speaker 2>We're all the same. We just might have different eyes

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<v Speaker 2>or different.

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<v Speaker 1>For zeke or whatever, and we can all inter marry

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<v Speaker 1>and into breed, and we can do the same with

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<v Speaker 1>the grays. That's what this experimenting is all about. So

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<v Speaker 1>we couldn't breathe with them if they weren't very much

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<v Speaker 1>like us. I understand there are different stories out there

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<v Speaker 1>with different aliens, and some people are terrified, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>just not my experience, and I can only tell you

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<v Speaker 1>what I've seen, so that clearly lots of different races.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the one that I've had to experience with.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's Grandpa Graham, who's now very old man. Do

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<v Speaker 1>they live longer than us? As a question, and I

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<v Speaker 1>can get maybe, but not a lot longer.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It depends how healthy they are, I suppose, but maybe

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred one hundred and twenty just depends that I

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<v Speaker 1>think it's I think it's just that their medicine's better.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So Grandpa Graham was.

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<v Speaker 1>Standing at the end of my cot and I pulled

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<v Speaker 1>myself up, and he picked me up and put me

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<v Speaker 1>on his right hip, and I felt no different to it,

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<v Speaker 1>a human picking me up that I knew. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>remember him before that, but I did feel that I

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<v Speaker 1>knew him at that point. And he said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like your grandfather, little one. It still calls me

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<v Speaker 1>a little one, and I'm not little, And so wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>a baby go with a relative and get in a

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<v Speaker 1>car and just do it? Because people ask me why

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<v Speaker 1>I went so pick me up, I just went with him, trustingly, happily.

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<v Speaker 1>I knew the man, I liked him, and we floated

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<v Speaker 1>or levitated whatever word you want to use, up and

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<v Speaker 1>literally through the ceiling. Our bodies don't change. They changed

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<v Speaker 1>the space around us and into a round lighthole at

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<v Speaker 1>the bottom of a round spaceship. I've seen many different

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<v Speaker 1>sizes and many different shapes, but these ones were the

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<v Speaker 1>medium sized hospital ship.

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<v Speaker 2>I call them. So as Grandpa.

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<v Speaker 1>Graham and I rise through the hole, in the bottom

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<v Speaker 1>of the ship. The door beneath us closes over, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's like an old fashioned camera.

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<v Speaker 2>Toure just close us.

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<v Speaker 1>Like just sort of folds in, if you're familiar with

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<v Speaker 1>the old fashion aperture. And then we're just standing there

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<v Speaker 1>and I look around me and there's a group of

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<v Speaker 1>children and I know some of them, and it's the

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<v Speaker 1>same group that I've been in ever since, from babyhood

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<v Speaker 1>to adulthood. And I now know three of them on

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<v Speaker 1>earth that have witnessed the same things as me and

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<v Speaker 1>contacted me. So the big kids are supposed to look

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<v Speaker 1>after little kids, so I must have been allocated to

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<v Speaker 1>a bigger kid who then held my hand. I guess

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<v Speaker 1>human babies are pretty dependent, so they can't just leave

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<v Speaker 1>us running, can they. It's very organized, and it's very

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<v Speaker 1>much like your high school science experiment where you get

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<v Speaker 1>a control group and maybe.

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<v Speaker 2>Two other groups with issues that they're comparing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's incredibly organized, but it's also very much like the

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<v Speaker 1>experiments on the International Space Station with plants and things.

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<v Speaker 1>They're just ahead of us. So then I'm laying on

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<v Speaker 1>a levitating table that looks like a you know, a

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<v Speaker 1>doctor's bench, only there's no mattress on it. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>silver and there's no legs.

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<v Speaker 2>This thing.

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<v Speaker 1>That as a baby I didn't understand, but as an

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<v Speaker 1>adult I do. Like a scanner, I suppose, only much

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<v Speaker 1>smaller than our cat scans in my eyes, pet scans.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just came right across.

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<v Speaker 1>My body and all I could see was colored bits

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<v Speaker 1>and probably my organs floating in the air. And as

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<v Speaker 1>a baby, I was just fascinated. Now I know what

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<v Speaker 1>was being shown. So it scanned my whole body and

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<v Speaker 1>they took blood from my arm, but there wasn't a needle.

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<v Speaker 1>It felt like they sucked it out somehow, nothing hurt.

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't scared. And then they took me back to

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<v Speaker 1>my room. Grandpa Graham again picked me up, took me down,

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<v Speaker 1>put me in the cot, and I went back to sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that happened many times over my life.

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<v Speaker 1>They sedate us mostly, I guess they didn't need to

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<v Speaker 1>sedate a baby that wasn't scared. The next time, I remember,

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<v Speaker 1>I was about seven, and for whatever reason, just being older,

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<v Speaker 1>perhaps I was terrified. I knew they were coming. I

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<v Speaker 1>could sense they were coming, and my heart was racing.

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<v Speaker 1>And again I was young, young enough not to understand

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<v Speaker 1>that the thump, thump, dump for my pillow was just

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<v Speaker 1>my heart racing, but that's what I could hear.

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<v Speaker 2>And then they did come and.

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<v Speaker 1>I rose up to the ceiling, but I wasn't fully sedated,

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<v Speaker 1>because I hadn't been scared before, perhaps, and I screamed,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing came out. And then I was unconscious, and

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<v Speaker 1>they took me up through the ceiling, so they must

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<v Speaker 1>have decided to sedate me then, And I compared that

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<v Speaker 1>to anesthetics or medazolam or valiant or something on Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>You're sedated, you're not unconscious. So snippets of memories come

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<v Speaker 1>through when other things are lost. There's definitely a lot

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<v Speaker 1>that's vague in my mind that I can't grasp, but

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<v Speaker 1>that's why. However, other things I remember incredibly clearly, and

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<v Speaker 1>I've never forgotten them. So that time, the same thing happened,

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<v Speaker 1>The same children were there, and I was put back

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<v Speaker 1>into my bed. I don't remember going again to puberty,

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<v Speaker 1>and that was pretty close to fourteen. I was a

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<v Speaker 1>bit late, and then there was a lot between then

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<v Speaker 1>and menopause. Sorry, ladies and gentlemen, I guess your fertile

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<v Speaker 1>years are when they want you the most, although they

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<v Speaker 1>have taken me either side of that. When I was

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<v Speaker 1>a teenager, i'd see a lot in the sky. When

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<v Speaker 1>they move, they're not like shooting stars. Is a very

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<v Speaker 1>big difference. You can see easily see the difference between

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<v Speaker 1>a plane, a helicopter, comet and a UFO or aka

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<v Speaker 1>alien spaceship.

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<v Speaker 2>They're usually very high up.

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<v Speaker 1>Although they've come down close to me, and they can

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<v Speaker 1>move at right angles to it to themselves. They just

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<v Speaker 1>go up down to the right, to the left, a

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<v Speaker 1>cross down. No comet can do that, honestly. So I

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<v Speaker 1>have always seen a lot, an unusual number, And when

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<v Speaker 1>I've got friends with me, they witness them too, even

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<v Speaker 1>if they never have before. So you know, as fate

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<v Speaker 1>will have it, I've often had witnesses or some sort

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<v Speaker 1>of proof or among the police, and they've believed me

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<v Speaker 1>because they've had other reports.

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<v Speaker 2>So grateful for that. So yeah, that kept going on.

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<v Speaker 1>And then the next time I remember really clearly, I

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<v Speaker 1>woke up floating. I was just floating up off the bed.

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<v Speaker 1>My body wasn't down there, my soul was in my body.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that it compares to NDEs, but it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>the same. It was a physical experience. And I floated

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<v Speaker 1>up through the ceiling and we lived in a fairly

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<v Speaker 1>old house and it was well, rooms are always dusty.

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<v Speaker 1>But I sneezed and I saw a cockroach. Now to

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<v Speaker 1>do that, I had to be in my body. Your

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<v Speaker 1>soul's not going to sneeze. And I asked how, and

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<v Speaker 1>Grandpa Graham said, well, we changed molecules of all the

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<v Speaker 1>physical stuff around you, but we don't change you. So

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<v Speaker 1>somehow they're I don't know. I mean, I'm not going

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<v Speaker 1>to claim to understand their science. That is the answers

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<v Speaker 1>I got when I asked the questions. I floated up

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<v Speaker 1>into the medium sized round you with the hot the

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<v Speaker 1>lighthole at the bottom that I've seen most and in

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<v Speaker 1>there I met another male human whom i'd seen as

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<v Speaker 1>a child, and also one of the ones I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>on Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>So what are they doing up there with us?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, they're taking our eggs in a sperm and doing

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<v Speaker 1>breeding experiments, and they invented IVF and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>they implant the fertilized over back into our uterus. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this is how Grandpa Graham explained it when I asked,

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<v Speaker 1>And they put a hormonal injection to make it take

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<v Speaker 1>in the uterus behind it, and then some take and

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<v Speaker 1>some don't, and they leave them in you for under

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<v Speaker 1>three months, and then they take you back up there,

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<v Speaker 1>remove the fetus and put it in an artificial fetus. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>horrible stuff, but they did their best to be as

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<v Speaker 1>kind as possible and as gentle as possible. And I

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<v Speaker 1>must be one of the few people who asks a

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<v Speaker 1>million questions and drives them nutting. I find they're all

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<v Speaker 1>always happy to answer. But they're very phlegmatic in their

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<v Speaker 1>personality and that their fatal expression or their body language

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't change. I've heard people describe them as autistic or

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<v Speaker 1>as clones.

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<v Speaker 2>Not true.

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<v Speaker 1>They're people, and they project emotions and they project words

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<v Speaker 1>in your language. So they must have some sort of translator,

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<v Speaker 1>or I've got the translator.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, but I hear them in English.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet in the background of that, I hear a funny

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<v Speaker 1>click click sound that I cannot mimic. So I suggest

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<v Speaker 1>they've got a language, but they add some sort of

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<v Speaker 1>translator and we hear it now language. But the questions

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<v Speaker 1>are answered directly. So if I say what color is

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<v Speaker 1>the sky, they will say blue. They will not say

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<v Speaker 1>blue with white whispy clouds and it's a warm day.

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<v Speaker 1>They just won't give you another ounce of information. Not deliberately.

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<v Speaker 1>They just don't understand all the nuances of human language.

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<v Speaker 1>I do drive them mad with questions. It's just my personality.

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<v Speaker 1>I just want to understand. And Gwampark Graham has learnt

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<v Speaker 1>to laugh. They don't usually laugh, but he laughs. That's

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<v Speaker 1>some of the things I'm thinking that he can hear.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is a tangent, but it also leads into

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<v Speaker 1>the next experience. So once I was in a ship

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<v Speaker 1>he was driving. There was another human beside me. They're tiny.

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<v Speaker 1>There's ones that they pick you up in, not made

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<v Speaker 1>for human sized physique. Freezing cold, and I'm sitting there

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<v Speaker 1>on this metal bench with my knees up near my ears.

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<v Speaker 1>And I said to the driver, who I know was

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<v Speaker 1>Grandpark Graham, can you please do something.

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<v Speaker 2>About it's too cold? Make it warmer?

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<v Speaker 1>And he laughed and he said, well, if I make

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<v Speaker 1>it warmer, we can't live. But you'll survive in the cold.

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<v Speaker 1>You just won't enjoy it. At that point, though, I

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<v Speaker 1>also noticed there were no controls. He was doing everything

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<v Speaker 1>with thought. And that same ship. So this is my

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<v Speaker 1>next experience. Anyway, went out over the ocean where I live.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of coves and bays and estuaries before

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<v Speaker 1>it gets to the sea. It's all salt water, but

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<v Speaker 1>they're all they're all still there. And so it went

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<v Speaker 1>out over the water, deep into the ocean, and then

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<v Speaker 1>a long way out we went back up into space,

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<v Speaker 1>and I was aware that we were underwater, and I

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<v Speaker 1>was aware that we're in space, but I couldn't feel

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<v Speaker 1>any movement.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel sick when I get back.

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<v Speaker 1>When I wake up in bed, the first thing I

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<v Speaker 1>do is throw up, and I have a whop a headache.

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<v Speaker 1>I suppose delayed motion sickness.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know. I mean, your guess is as good

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<v Speaker 2>as mine, but this is what happened. So then that.

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<v Speaker 1>Person that was in that ship with me, I met.

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<v Speaker 1>I was working in an emergency department. Clearly I can't

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<v Speaker 1>give any names or places. I can in private, but

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<v Speaker 1>not in their And this man came in as a

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<v Speaker 1>patient and we recognized each other bizarrely from the ship.

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<v Speaker 2>So strange.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no way we could possibly have met on Earth,

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<v Speaker 1>but anyway, we both had enough memories to we met

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<v Speaker 1>later matched up the story.

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<v Speaker 2>They know who they are. They don't want to go

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<v Speaker 2>on public. That's up to them. That's fine. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>so then I met that man.

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<v Speaker 1>So then I went back with that man to the

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<v Speaker 1>place that this ship had gone out over the water

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<v Speaker 1>and could show him exactly where we'd stopped and a

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<v Speaker 1>path that we'd walked down. And so just a detail

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<v Speaker 1>I forgot is that the ship were in broke down

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<v Speaker 1>just like cars breakdown, and Grunpy Graham parked it in

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<v Speaker 1>the bush and we were waiting on the edge of

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<v Speaker 1>the water for a new one to come.

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<v Speaker 2>And get us.

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<v Speaker 1>That's what happened. So he walked us down this concrete

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<v Speaker 1>path and over this jetty. At the end of the jetty,

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<v Speaker 1>we climbed into the smaller ship, which didn't rock on

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<v Speaker 1>the water. It was just levitating slightly above the water.

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<v Speaker 1>It was all even though the weight would be uneven

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<v Speaker 1>when somebody stepped in, it didn't move. Their technology is

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<v Speaker 1>mind blowing. I'm not a technological person, but I wish

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<v Speaker 1>I'd ask more questions about those things. However, I didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>So then there's then I had children, got married, all

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<v Speaker 1>of those things human children. I mean, over that time,

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<v Speaker 1>there were three pregnancies that weren't explainable.

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<v Speaker 2>I was married for a time.

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<v Speaker 1>However, a doctor confirmed a pregnancy and I had to

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<v Speaker 1>have it a day and see when I miscarried, and

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<v Speaker 1>there was facial parts. Again, I can prove it, I

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<v Speaker 1>really can. So after that, you know, lots of funny

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<v Speaker 1>things happened. I wasn't in the spaceship, but I was

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<v Speaker 1>still seeing. For example, my two children and my husband

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<v Speaker 1>were standing in the backyard and we saw five red

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<v Speaker 1>orbs just floating across in front of us, not far away,

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<v Speaker 1>no further than another yard, another house yard in Australia,

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<v Speaker 1>and we all thought it was very exciting. Would send

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<v Speaker 1>so many no one was perturbed by it at all.

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<v Speaker 1>But humans try and hidle this, and there's still a

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<v Speaker 1>cover up, even with Trump coming out with the UFO files.

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<v Speaker 1>And in the next day in the paper it said

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<v Speaker 1>that they were Chinese lanterns, you know, like a candle

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<v Speaker 1>in rice paper, floating rubbish. They were like the light

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<v Speaker 1>that was red was like infrared red from an infrared lamp.

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<v Speaker 1>It was orange red though, and ours is more red,

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<v Speaker 1>so it was a color of light I hadn't seen

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<v Speaker 1>on earth. They were slowly watching us while we were

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<v Speaker 1>watching them, And that very night, my eldest child had

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<v Speaker 1>a dream and came down to breakfast the next day

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<v Speaker 1>and said, Mom, Mom, the aliens took me last night

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<v Speaker 1>and there were children there, and can they come home

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<v Speaker 1>for dinner? And they were so nice and blah blah blah,

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<v Speaker 1>And I said, do aliens eats bag bowl? Because he

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<v Speaker 1>wants to know what I'd feed them. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>all a bit of a funny conversation. But I'm telling you,

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<v Speaker 1>other people witness the things that I have witnessed, and

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<v Speaker 1>that can't be an accident. So another story. I went

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<v Speaker 1>with a friend, an old friend who I new believed

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<v Speaker 1>in UFOs was educated, saying, no one him long enough

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<v Speaker 1>to know that they weren't me mental health problems. We

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<v Speaker 1>went to Birdie Beach at night because I've got a

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<v Speaker 1>sun problem and that's up near Newcastle, and he went

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<v Speaker 1>for a swim. I wasn't my sharks in the dark.

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<v Speaker 1>And then he came running up the beach terrified, saying

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<v Speaker 1>something came up from the water and looked at him. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>come on. So I went down back to the waterfront

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<v Speaker 1>with him, and it did this green lit thing that

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<v Speaker 1>I would now call a drone, and it can go

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<v Speaker 1>in water too. That was round orb shape, a physical thing,

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<v Speaker 1>but nothing like a fisherman's lure or any of the

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<v Speaker 1>logical things you might think of. Came up out of

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<v Speaker 1>the deep water, looked at us, and went back down.

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<v Speaker 1>And the green of the light was the same green

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<v Speaker 1>that I often see UFOs in, not a color we

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<v Speaker 1>have any light in. It's fluorescent green, but doesn't hurt

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<v Speaker 1>your eyes. It's bright, but not like a light bulb

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<v Speaker 1>or fire or anything that you can think of your earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So there are differences. They have things we don't have. Anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>So we sat on the beach and discussed it for

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<v Speaker 1>a while and then he said to me, look, just

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<v Speaker 1>look to your left. I said, oh, it's a lighthouse,

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<v Speaker 1>and he said, do you think's the light us?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>No, okay, it's not a lighthouse, great big round of life.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it a full moon? No, we could see the

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<v Speaker 1>moon on the other side.

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<v Speaker 2>Well what is it? And we neither of us know?

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<v Speaker 1>And he said, spaceship noe right quick, getting the car,

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<v Speaker 1>but going up there and he was petrified and not me.

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<v Speaker 2>I't get myself in troubles sometimes anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>So we drove up to the point and at the

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<v Speaker 1>point was two green san green as the one we

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<v Speaker 1>saw in the water orbs above this round ball of

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<v Speaker 1>light going down out to the right, back up in

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<v Speaker 1>a triangle, and that was the right one, and then

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<v Speaker 1>the left one would go down out to the left

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<v Speaker 1>and back up to the top. So they were scouting

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<v Speaker 1>around it. And when we got to the gate it

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<v Speaker 1>it flew off. We saw it fly off other so

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<v Speaker 1>again another witness. So then I was telling someone else,

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<v Speaker 1>another friend, and this friend said, you've lost the plot.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe you. I said, great, it's just great.

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<v Speaker 1>So I said, I'm going to prove this. So I

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<v Speaker 1>rang a Newcastle police near Birdie Beach and I got

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<v Speaker 1>a young constable and I said to him, do you

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<v Speaker 1>do you believe in the UFOs And he said, tell

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<v Speaker 1>me the story. So I did, and then he said, well,

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<v Speaker 1>look I didn't, but you're the twentieth caller telling the

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<v Speaker 1>same story, so you're not the only one that saw it.

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<v Speaker 1>So that story was checked out by the producer of

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<v Speaker 1>a TV show. I did an interview on every with

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<v Speaker 1>the place. Everything that I have said has been checked

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<v Speaker 1>out by investigative reporters and myself and various other people

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<v Speaker 1>who wanted to disprove me to bit didn't succeed. Another

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<v Speaker 1>next story in chronological order was New Year's Eve at

425
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<v Speaker 1>Gosford Waterfront.

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<v Speaker 2>They have fireworks every New Year's Eve about.

427
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<v Speaker 1>Nine point thirty for the children, and I live quite

428
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<v Speaker 1>near that, so I enjoy that, and I've got grand children,

429
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<v Speaker 1>so I've taken them a few times. This was just

430
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<v Speaker 1>my oldest grandchild and I this particular New Year's Eve. Well,

431
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<v Speaker 1>we went to one of the backstreets on the estuary

432
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<v Speaker 1>so we could see the other side to the main crowd,

433
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<v Speaker 1>but there were still about twelve.

434
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<v Speaker 2>People where we were sitting.

435
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<v Speaker 1>So while the fireworks were going off and everyone's all

436
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<v Speaker 1>distracted by the lights, see five red orbs above it,

437
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<v Speaker 1>I seem to going three fives and seven, and actually

438
00:23:07.839 --> 00:23:09.599
<v Speaker 1>i've said nine to elevens. I don't know about that,

439
00:23:09.640 --> 00:23:12.160
<v Speaker 1>but that's old, isn't it. So there were five red

440
00:23:12.240 --> 00:23:14.960
<v Speaker 1>orbs above the fireworks, and I was watching them quietly.

441
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<v Speaker 1>Other people hadn't seem to notice. But when the fireworks stopped,

442
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<v Speaker 1>I'm just at a stage in my life where old

443
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<v Speaker 1>enough to say, buger it, you care what people think?

444
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<v Speaker 1>And I said to the dozen or so around me,

445
00:23:27.680 --> 00:23:30.519
<v Speaker 1>can you see those red orbs? They all said yes,

446
00:23:31.559 --> 00:23:35.359
<v Speaker 1>but one person looked away and denied what the others saw.

447
00:23:36.039 --> 00:23:39.079
<v Speaker 1>And then I said to my granddaughter, I think their UFOs,

448
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<v Speaker 1>And well, I'm sure their UFOs, but you just sort

449
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<v Speaker 1>of soften it for other people. This couple beside me,

450
00:23:46.240 --> 00:23:47.920
<v Speaker 1>the woman said to the man or she must believe

451
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<v Speaker 1>in in aliens.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it was all a lot.

453
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<v Speaker 1>Everyone could see it, but nobody knew what they was

454
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<v Speaker 1>saying except me. There was also a police boat parked

455
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<v Speaker 1>very close, close enough that I could see the cops

456
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<v Speaker 1>on board, and I could see that it was a

457
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<v Speaker 1>police boat, but I couldn't I could hear sound of

458
00:24:04.519 --> 00:24:07.599
<v Speaker 1>them talking, but not what they were saying. So they

459
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<v Speaker 1>were also clearly watching the red orbs. And about ten

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<v Speaker 1>minutes I said to my grand a Lord's City from ND,

461
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<v Speaker 1>I think, wait till the crowds go, but really I

462
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<v Speaker 1>just wanted to see what happened. So about yeah, about

463
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<v Speaker 1>ten minutes after, they all came down above the water,

464
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<v Speaker 1>right in front of the police boat, and the police

465
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<v Speaker 1>boat on the radio, making lots of noise, carrying on

466
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:35.599
<v Speaker 1>obviously getting back up and telling people. And one of

467
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<v Speaker 1>the orbs when to the other side of the boat

468
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<v Speaker 1>and then slowly moved along above the water, only about

469
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<v Speaker 1>ten feet or three meters something like that. Owned the

470
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<v Speaker 1>police boat turned on its engines and made a lot

471
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<v Speaker 1>of noise and started to go after this orb. But

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<v Speaker 1>this is only one of the five. I don't know

473
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<v Speaker 1>where the other five went because I was watching this one. However,

474
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<v Speaker 1>they can just turn their lights off and become and

475
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<v Speaker 1>look invisible, or they could have taken off into the

476
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<v Speaker 1>So the boat went after the orb, and the orb

477
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<v Speaker 1>just went slowly and let it catch up, and then

478
00:25:06.960 --> 00:25:09.519
<v Speaker 1>it stopped, and then the police boat nearly caught up,

479
00:25:09.559 --> 00:25:11.759
<v Speaker 1>so they must have seen it pretty close up. And

480
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<v Speaker 1>then it would take off a bit, and then it'll

481
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<v Speaker 1>go slowly a bit further, let the police boat catch up.

482
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<v Speaker 1>And it just kept doing that until it was out

483
00:25:18.119 --> 00:25:20.440
<v Speaker 1>of sight. And it was cat and mouse, and the

484
00:25:20.480 --> 00:25:24.680
<v Speaker 1>funniest thing was no danger, no fear. I think the

485
00:25:24.720 --> 00:25:27.799
<v Speaker 1>cops were terrified, but the aliens thought it was funny

486
00:25:27.839 --> 00:25:30.559
<v Speaker 1>to play a game with them, and that is absolutely

487
00:25:30.759 --> 00:25:35.279
<v Speaker 1>my experience of them. They're playful, they get human humor,

488
00:25:35.319 --> 00:25:38.279
<v Speaker 1>even if it's not their usual. They're showing off, they're

489
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<v Speaker 1>going ha ha, we can go faster than your buddies.

490
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<v Speaker 1>You know, mine as big as than yours. Sorry, but

491
00:25:41.839 --> 00:25:45.240
<v Speaker 1>buddies and I do laugh at all of this, and

492
00:25:45.279 --> 00:25:48.720
<v Speaker 1>it helps helps me anyway, So it might help other

493
00:25:48.720 --> 00:25:51.079
<v Speaker 1>people listening that have had similar experiences that don't know

494
00:25:51.079 --> 00:25:55.119
<v Speaker 1>how to cope find the humor in it. So so

495
00:25:55.240 --> 00:25:57.759
<v Speaker 1>that's at gossip waterfront. I won't tell you the year,

496
00:25:57.799 --> 00:26:01.559
<v Speaker 1>but it's verifiable with the cops, and too many people

497
00:26:01.599 --> 00:26:05.160
<v Speaker 1>saw it. I also rang the police sorry afterwards, and said,

498
00:26:05.599 --> 00:26:08.599
<v Speaker 1>look I saw blah blah blah, and the police woman

499
00:26:08.640 --> 00:26:10.480
<v Speaker 1>the answered said, oh, we've given up.

500
00:26:10.519 --> 00:26:11.480
<v Speaker 2>We're not even going to argue.

501
00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:15.039
<v Speaker 1>Too many people saw it, so to be honest, I

502
00:26:15.039 --> 00:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>don't mean the police anymore, but when I did every

503
00:26:18.359 --> 00:26:20.880
<v Speaker 1>single time, there've been other reports and the police have

504
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:24.319
<v Speaker 1>not doubted me at all, which surprised me more than

505
00:26:24.319 --> 00:26:28.480
<v Speaker 1>that surprises you. But those little details are important, I think.

506
00:26:29.319 --> 00:26:33.640
<v Speaker 1>So Apparently I then hadn't come out or out of

507
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<v Speaker 1>the closet or read other people's accounts or heard other

508
00:26:36.599 --> 00:26:38.480
<v Speaker 1>people's accounts, and I didn't realize that I was not

509
00:26:38.519 --> 00:26:41.200
<v Speaker 1>the only person on the planet saying these things, only

510
00:26:41.240 --> 00:26:44.480
<v Speaker 1>because I'd been quiet and once it had been a

511
00:26:44.480 --> 00:26:46.480
<v Speaker 1>whole life thing, and I had chosen a couple of

512
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<v Speaker 1>friends that I trusted who believed me. I basically didn't

513
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<v Speaker 1>tell very many people at all.

514
00:26:52.200 --> 00:26:54.519
<v Speaker 2>So the next big event.

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<v Speaker 1>Was I spent some time grieving for the children that

516
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<v Speaker 1>had been taken from me, realizing that I'd met them

517
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:07.000
<v Speaker 1>and seen them physically, and I'd given them. So I

518
00:27:07.319 --> 00:27:08.839
<v Speaker 1>just had to find a way to cope with that.

519
00:27:08.880 --> 00:27:10.759
<v Speaker 1>Without acts, I couldn't go to a counselor who would

520
00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.480
<v Speaker 1>believe me. And I now know there are many, many

521
00:27:14.559 --> 00:27:16.920
<v Speaker 1>other people with similar experiences, and I've met them or

522
00:27:16.920 --> 00:27:20.000
<v Speaker 1>they've come to me online through these interviews, and basically

523
00:27:20.039 --> 00:27:22.599
<v Speaker 1>we've helped each other. So I don't need it anymore.

524
00:27:22.599 --> 00:27:26.960
<v Speaker 1>But my way of coping was with the grief was

525
00:27:27.000 --> 00:27:30.480
<v Speaker 1>to name them, give them a human name, recognize that

526
00:27:30.519 --> 00:27:33.240
<v Speaker 1>I'd seen them and they had different faces. They looked

527
00:27:33.279 --> 00:27:37.720
<v Speaker 1>part human, part gray. It's all IVF but they make you.

528
00:27:38.160 --> 00:27:40.720
<v Speaker 1>They don't tell you that till you ask at the end.

529
00:27:41.759 --> 00:27:43.799
<v Speaker 1>So I was coping, trying to cope with the grief.

530
00:27:44.119 --> 00:27:47.599
<v Speaker 1>I gave them names, and I clearly recognized their faces,

531
00:27:47.640 --> 00:27:49.920
<v Speaker 1>and I knew roughly how old they were, and it

532
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:51.759
<v Speaker 1>matched up with my medical records.

533
00:27:52.759 --> 00:27:55.279
<v Speaker 2>I grieved by not grieving.

534
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<v Speaker 1>Getting to know them and realizing that they were in

535
00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:01.240
<v Speaker 1>fact alive just like they were and well, as my

536
00:28:01.279 --> 00:28:05.119
<v Speaker 1>granddaughter then said, it's like then in another country, not dead,

537
00:28:05.880 --> 00:28:09.559
<v Speaker 1>they just overseas. I thought that's a good point. And

538
00:28:09.599 --> 00:28:12.319
<v Speaker 1>I've since seen them anyway, so I'm okay now. But

539
00:28:12.359 --> 00:28:16.000
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't okay because I didn't understand. It just didn't

540
00:28:16.039 --> 00:28:18.319
<v Speaker 1>make sense to me. So the other thing that I

541
00:28:18.319 --> 00:28:19.960
<v Speaker 1>did to cope that I hate, well I will help

542
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 1>other people is I wrote down all the snippets of

543
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:26.799
<v Speaker 1>memories that I had remembering I'd been sedated, so bits

544
00:28:26.799 --> 00:28:30.519
<v Speaker 1>were missing on separate pieces of paper, and then I

545
00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:33.359
<v Speaker 1>put those pieces of paper in chronological order, and then

546
00:28:33.400 --> 00:28:35.720
<v Speaker 1>I tried to remember roughly what year there were around,

547
00:28:35.759 --> 00:28:37.440
<v Speaker 1>what was happening in my life at the time, and

548
00:28:37.480 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I wrote that down. Well, that's how I wrote the book.

549
00:28:40.519 --> 00:28:42.920
<v Speaker 1>It's not everything, but it is in order and it

550
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:45.839
<v Speaker 1>does make sense. So it was like a jigsaw puzzle,

551
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:47.880
<v Speaker 1>and I just slotted the pieces in and suddenly I

552
00:28:47.920 --> 00:28:51.200
<v Speaker 1>realized it just dawned on me what had happened, And

553
00:28:51.240 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 1>regardless of how the world saw it, this had happened

554
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:58.119
<v Speaker 1>to me. And I wasn't crackers. So silly little book,

555
00:28:58.160 --> 00:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>because I'm not an authors not perfect sold really well.

556
00:29:03.440 --> 00:29:05.359
<v Speaker 1>Everybody loved it that's read it has loved it and

557
00:29:05.359 --> 00:29:07.799
<v Speaker 1>written to me. I think I've only had one negative review,

558
00:29:08.519 --> 00:29:11.119
<v Speaker 1>which means that my purpose is it's printed as cheap

559
00:29:11.119 --> 00:29:12.680
<v Speaker 1>ast possible. I don't make any money off it. I've

560
00:29:12.720 --> 00:29:15.960
<v Speaker 1>put it at the bottom price. It's helping people, and

561
00:29:16.000 --> 00:29:17.680
<v Speaker 1>the majority of the people that have written to me

562
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:22.079
<v Speaker 1>have also had very highly similar experiences and were just

563
00:29:22.119 --> 00:29:24.519
<v Speaker 1>grateful that somebody else had put them into words. And

564
00:29:24.559 --> 00:29:26.200
<v Speaker 1>when I said to a number of them, do you

565
00:29:26.279 --> 00:29:28.400
<v Speaker 1>think you could write something or perhaps going on an

566
00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.839
<v Speaker 1>interview and back me up seeing as you saw the

567
00:29:30.839 --> 00:29:32.960
<v Speaker 1>same things, but they don't want to.

568
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:34.559
<v Speaker 2>A lot of people scaed. And I really get that.

569
00:29:34.640 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 1>It cops incredible criticism and it takes a lot of guts,

570
00:29:39.279 --> 00:29:41.599
<v Speaker 1>a lot of fear, but you just have to suck

571
00:29:41.640 --> 00:29:43.640
<v Speaker 1>it up and do it to put it out there

572
00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:46.720
<v Speaker 1>in the public, and as I said to you off air, Nick,

573
00:29:47.640 --> 00:29:49.319
<v Speaker 1>I had a lot of indviews taken down because I

574
00:29:49.319 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 1>copped a lot of bullying well eleven years ago now,

575
00:29:52.079 --> 00:29:53.119
<v Speaker 1>and I just forget it.

576
00:29:53.200 --> 00:29:54.079
<v Speaker 2>I'm just doing it.

577
00:29:54.079 --> 00:29:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It's still true. I haven't read my own book because

578
00:29:56.960 --> 00:29:59.279
<v Speaker 1>I don't need to. And I still remember the details

579
00:29:59.319 --> 00:30:01.799
<v Speaker 1>of the same way, because when something that out of

580
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:05.319
<v Speaker 1>the ordinary happens to you, you do remember. Ask any

581
00:30:06.119 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>real trauma, because there's less trauma, there's more Roman than

582
00:30:08.680 --> 00:30:09.880
<v Speaker 1>there's victim.

583
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<v Speaker 2>They remember details.

584
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<v Speaker 1>I remembered that everything that happened in the room where

585
00:30:13.599 --> 00:30:16.319
<v Speaker 1>things were placed, like photographic memory kind of stuff. And

586
00:30:16.359 --> 00:30:20.759
<v Speaker 1>I don't have that in the rest of my life.

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<v Speaker 3>If is the axe as aks?

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<v Speaker 1>So okay, so it's news E've gone. And then after

599
00:31:21.480 --> 00:31:24.279
<v Speaker 1>that grieving. I am a believer in God, and I

600
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:27.119
<v Speaker 1>prayed and I begged Grandpa Graham at the same time.

601
00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:31.359
<v Speaker 1>And I forgot to tell you that he hears me telepathically. Somehow,

602
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:34.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm going to digress. I do have a tracking implant,

603
00:31:34.640 --> 00:31:38.720
<v Speaker 1>much like tracking amplants we put on dogs and cats.

604
00:31:39.240 --> 00:31:41.319
<v Speaker 1>One of them, the first one, as a baby, was

605
00:31:41.359 --> 00:31:43.440
<v Speaker 1>in my nose. My nose kept bleeding, Mum kept taking

606
00:31:43.440 --> 00:31:45.519
<v Speaker 1>me to the doctor. They couldn't stop it. Then I

607
00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.039
<v Speaker 1>remember Grandpa Graham taking me and removing it, and he

608
00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.039
<v Speaker 1>put another one in my left knee under my proteller.

609
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<v Speaker 2>All right.

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<v Speaker 1>That one kept until my oh thirties, would come to

611
00:31:56.279 --> 00:31:59.279
<v Speaker 1>the surface infected and my body would keep rejecting it

612
00:31:59.279 --> 00:32:01.279
<v Speaker 1>and then go back to and I'd go to a

613
00:32:01.319 --> 00:32:03.400
<v Speaker 1>doctor and they'd say, you probably fell over as a kid,

614
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:05.200
<v Speaker 1>and it's a bit of gravel or something like that.

615
00:32:05.279 --> 00:32:08.039
<v Speaker 1>But nobody could find it, and then eventually it came

616
00:32:08.079 --> 00:32:10.640
<v Speaker 1>to the surface, and I had knelt down on the carpet.

617
00:32:10.680 --> 00:32:13.119
<v Speaker 1>I was just in the middle of moving house, and

618
00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:16.000
<v Speaker 1>when I stood up, it had come out of the

619
00:32:16.000 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>skin enough that it caught on the carpet and ripped out.

620
00:32:18.759 --> 00:32:19.920
<v Speaker 2>It's got a scar there.

621
00:32:19.799 --> 00:32:22.480
<v Speaker 1>To prove it. And what I found when I washed

622
00:32:22.519 --> 00:32:26.039
<v Speaker 1>the blood off it was a cone shaped thing, only

623
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:32.279
<v Speaker 1>an inch long when fully extended, and if I held

624
00:32:32.279 --> 00:32:35.359
<v Speaker 1>both ends, one was pointy and one was round and flapped,

625
00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:37.720
<v Speaker 1>so literally a cone, and I could push it in

626
00:32:37.759 --> 00:32:40.160
<v Speaker 1>and out and pull it back with my fingers, so

627
00:32:40.279 --> 00:32:42.519
<v Speaker 1>it was like a telescope. It was made out of

628
00:32:42.559 --> 00:32:44.720
<v Speaker 1>something I didn't recognize. The best I can give you

629
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:48.000
<v Speaker 1>similar to quartz, but it wasn't quartz. It certainly wasn't

630
00:32:48.039 --> 00:32:50.480
<v Speaker 1>an accidental piece of glass I'd fallen on as a child.

631
00:32:50.559 --> 00:32:53.880
<v Speaker 1>It was something very engineered. So I washed the blot

632
00:32:53.880 --> 00:32:55.319
<v Speaker 1>of it, put it on the window sill, and the

633
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:57.720
<v Speaker 1>next day it was gone. But what happened during that

634
00:32:57.839 --> 00:33:02.440
<v Speaker 1>night for the thing to be gone again provable will

635
00:33:02.440 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 1>blow your mind. So I was in this new house.

636
00:33:05.920 --> 00:33:08.400
<v Speaker 1>My children were asleep, and I went to sleep, and

637
00:33:08.440 --> 00:33:10.039
<v Speaker 1>I had a dog and the dog wouldn't stop barking,

638
00:33:10.039 --> 00:33:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and she never did. She was standing at the back

639
00:33:12.279 --> 00:33:15.000
<v Speaker 1>glass barking over the backyard. So I went out to

640
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.119
<v Speaker 1>see what was going on. Well, I went to the door,

641
00:33:17.200 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>I didn't open the door, and I could see this

642
00:33:18.960 --> 00:33:21.279
<v Speaker 1>big ball of light, much like I described from the

643
00:33:21.319 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 1>Boody Beach one.

644
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:24.240
<v Speaker 2>I knew who it was and what it was, and

645
00:33:24.279 --> 00:33:26.200
<v Speaker 2>I just went, oh, Hi, hi, guys.

646
00:33:26.240 --> 00:33:29.400
<v Speaker 1>And I'm ridiculous, but I make myself laugh laugh sometimes,

647
00:33:29.400 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 1>but again it's coping and they'd never hurt me. And

648
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.920
<v Speaker 1>I got felt like I was physically pushed, although there

649
00:33:36.960 --> 00:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>was nothing there on the shoulders. Push back to bed,

650
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.359
<v Speaker 1>go back to bead, don't come out, That's what I

651
00:33:42.359 --> 00:33:44.640
<v Speaker 1>could hear. So I went back to bed and must

652
00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>have been whatever they do to status and went to sleep.

653
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.880
<v Speaker 1>And when I woke up in the morning, I didn't remember. However,

654
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.920
<v Speaker 1>on my way to work, and I can remember the road,

655
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:58.200
<v Speaker 1>I was on, the house, I was beside the suburb,

656
00:33:58.279 --> 00:34:03.079
<v Speaker 1>I was in the time the day really clearly, and

657
00:34:03.240 --> 00:34:05.640
<v Speaker 1>again I'll give you exactly those dates if you want.

658
00:34:06.079 --> 00:34:08.360
<v Speaker 1>And so on the way to work, on the radio

659
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.360
<v Speaker 1>on the local radio station, again I can remember exactly,

660
00:34:12.840 --> 00:34:15.679
<v Speaker 1>the DJ and the radio station. So I rang it

661
00:34:15.800 --> 00:34:18.320
<v Speaker 1>said there was a body found in a certain street

662
00:34:18.360 --> 00:34:22.360
<v Speaker 1>behind a house, and it was sliced open and there

663
00:34:22.360 --> 00:34:24.679
<v Speaker 1>were no guts in it, and there was not a

664
00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 1>drop of blood to be found. And they didn't understand.

665
00:34:27.800 --> 00:34:30.679
<v Speaker 1>So I then immediately rang the station, the radio station,

666
00:34:30.840 --> 00:34:33.320
<v Speaker 1>and said, listen, I can tell you about that. It

667
00:34:33.400 --> 00:34:35.159
<v Speaker 1>was behind my house last night, and it all came

668
00:34:35.199 --> 00:34:37.440
<v Speaker 1>back to me. Then when they said it, it all flashed back.

669
00:34:38.079 --> 00:34:41.000
<v Speaker 1>The woman on the phone said, I'll get the manager

670
00:34:41.079 --> 00:34:43.280
<v Speaker 1>of the station. He came on and he said we're

671
00:34:43.320 --> 00:34:45.920
<v Speaker 1>not allowed to talk about it. They both sounded terrified

672
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:48.480
<v Speaker 1>and they hung up on me. So I rang the police.

673
00:34:48.880 --> 00:34:51.440
<v Speaker 1>I said, listen, I heard on the radio that you

674
00:34:51.519 --> 00:34:53.639
<v Speaker 1>found a body was behind my house. I can tell

675
00:34:53.639 --> 00:34:57.199
<v Speaker 1>you what happened. The police sergeant that had just answered

676
00:34:57.239 --> 00:35:02.039
<v Speaker 1>the phone for whatever reason said to me verbatim, we

677
00:35:02.119 --> 00:35:05.880
<v Speaker 1>know it is not human. Case closed, bang hung up

678
00:35:05.880 --> 00:35:08.360
<v Speaker 1>on me. See, no one want to know. I could

679
00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.480
<v Speaker 1>tell them what happened. It was a dead human. There

680
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:11.639
<v Speaker 1>was a murder investigation.

681
00:35:11.880 --> 00:35:12.559
<v Speaker 2>No one wanted my.

682
00:35:12.559 --> 00:35:15.920
<v Speaker 1>Statement, and I don't know now in hindsight, no one

683
00:35:15.920 --> 00:35:19.480
<v Speaker 1>wanted to interview me. So what happened was somebody it

684
00:35:19.519 --> 00:35:22.639
<v Speaker 1>turned out later, and I have to keep these stories

685
00:35:22.639 --> 00:35:25.239
<v Speaker 1>a bit shorter. I had tried to break into my house,

686
00:35:25.320 --> 00:35:28.440
<v Speaker 1>and they'd intended to kill me and my children, or

687
00:35:28.480 --> 00:35:31.079
<v Speaker 1>they may have or something like that, and the aliens

688
00:35:31.079 --> 00:35:33.920
<v Speaker 1>had stopped them. So they don't kill, but they do

689
00:35:34.039 --> 00:35:37.199
<v Speaker 1>kill to protect their own. And because my implant had

690
00:35:37.199 --> 00:35:39.599
<v Speaker 1>come out, it must have gone all static and they

691
00:35:39.679 --> 00:35:43.239
<v Speaker 1>must have had that on their tracking equipment, and so

692
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.400
<v Speaker 1>they'd been alerted that something was rung at my place.

693
00:35:45.440 --> 00:35:47.440
<v Speaker 1>And whether it's a coincidence they came or whether they

694
00:35:47.480 --> 00:35:50.760
<v Speaker 1>saw that, I don't know, but that's what happened. I

695
00:35:50.800 --> 00:35:54.360
<v Speaker 1>would willingly be interviewed by cops about that. But bizarrely,

696
00:35:55.239 --> 00:35:58.639
<v Speaker 1>once again, any police I've ever told has believed me.

697
00:35:59.360 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 1>So all of these things aside, and I did go

698
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 1>off in a tangent there. I'm sorry, in my grief

699
00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and in my prayers and in my talking to Grandpark

700
00:36:06.480 --> 00:36:11.480
<v Speaker 1>Graham and him hearing me tell apathetically, I begged to understand.

701
00:36:11.800 --> 00:36:14.440
<v Speaker 1>I had a million questions and I voiced them in

702
00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:18.000
<v Speaker 1>my head and I metaphorically stomped around the house, going

703
00:36:18.760 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I've had enough of this. I want to understand, you know,

704
00:36:21.360 --> 00:36:23.400
<v Speaker 1>how dare you do this to me and not explain

705
00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>what you're doing.

706
00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:28.440
<v Speaker 2>I had the right to understand anyway. That night, went

707
00:36:28.480 --> 00:36:30.599
<v Speaker 2>to bed, got taken.

708
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.880
<v Speaker 1>Remember clearly, they must have given me less sedation, if

709
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:38.280
<v Speaker 1>any at all. Went up into a small spaceship, flew

710
00:36:38.360 --> 00:36:41.800
<v Speaker 1>up really high into the air, went into a massive

711
00:36:42.280 --> 00:36:46.119
<v Speaker 1>lighthole at the bottom of a massive mothership. Part the

712
00:36:46.159 --> 00:36:48.119
<v Speaker 1>little ship little taxi.

713
00:36:48.159 --> 00:36:48.920
<v Speaker 2>I guess in.

714
00:36:48.920 --> 00:36:55.440
<v Speaker 1>It and got out, and Grandpa Graham took me on

715
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:59.960
<v Speaker 1>a literal tour of the mothership, which is the whole

716
00:37:00.159 --> 00:37:04.639
<v Speaker 1>story itself. Every question I'd asked was answered. I saw

717
00:37:04.760 --> 00:37:09.400
<v Speaker 1>things I couldn't possibly have seen on Earth. I met

718
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:13.760
<v Speaker 1>a teenage girl that was teaching Hybrid. I made up

719
00:37:13.840 --> 00:37:16.039
<v Speaker 1>my granddaughter, and I made up the name Humalian. We

720
00:37:16.199 --> 00:37:18.880
<v Speaker 1>just ingest and it seems to be used now, so

721
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:22.639
<v Speaker 1>I'll just say Humalian. I saw a Humalian girl that

722
00:37:22.760 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 1>was teaching the Hybrid, the Humalian children about Earth, and

723
00:37:26.679 --> 00:37:28.440
<v Speaker 1>she had been witnessed on Earth. And I have a

724
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.639
<v Speaker 1>photograph of her in my book called Humalian. There's a

725
00:37:31.679 --> 00:37:34.199
<v Speaker 1>black and white copy out now because it's cheaper, called

726
00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:38.400
<v Speaker 1>Humalian two two. Not the numbers and all the details

727
00:37:38.400 --> 00:37:40.119
<v Speaker 1>of another ship visitor in there, but a quick go

728
00:37:40.159 --> 00:37:44.199
<v Speaker 1>overview Grandpa Graham. I was in a ship that was

729
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:49.280
<v Speaker 1>really beautiful and to me very futuristic. But Graham said

730
00:37:49.320 --> 00:37:52.760
<v Speaker 1>it was actually quite old and the old technology and

731
00:37:52.800 --> 00:37:56.079
<v Speaker 1>they just desperately needed a new one. So the story,

732
00:37:56.199 --> 00:37:59.679
<v Speaker 1>according to my questions and answers from Grandpa Graham, was

733
00:37:59.719 --> 00:38:01.719
<v Speaker 1>that they had lived on a planet not that far

734
00:38:01.760 --> 00:38:02.280
<v Speaker 1>from us.

735
00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:04.960
<v Speaker 2>Was it Mars? Was it not? Don't know, I don't know.

736
00:38:05.280 --> 00:38:06.400
<v Speaker 2>People have just asked me that.

737
00:38:06.760 --> 00:38:10.599
<v Speaker 1>But the planet had either been destroyed by a natural

738
00:38:10.679 --> 00:38:13.360
<v Speaker 1>event or they had niched themselves like we're threatening to

739
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:14.519
<v Speaker 1>do hear on Earth.

740
00:38:15.280 --> 00:38:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

741
00:38:15.800 --> 00:38:19.519
<v Speaker 1>But the planet was then unlivable, and they knew it

742
00:38:19.599 --> 00:38:23.559
<v Speaker 1>was coming. So they'd built this massive ship and taken

743
00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:28.440
<v Speaker 1>all their best scientists and breeding people and genetically good people,

744
00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:33.199
<v Speaker 1>and people did the jobs they need. And I like

745
00:38:33.280 --> 00:38:35.599
<v Speaker 1>it to Noah's Ark as Noah's Arc shipped to me.

746
00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 1>And in it was everything in the center. It was

747
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:41.400
<v Speaker 1>multi stories high. I didn't count. You've got to remember

748
00:38:41.440 --> 00:38:44.119
<v Speaker 1>the lot going on. You know, Some things I remember clearly,

749
00:38:44.159 --> 00:38:46.920
<v Speaker 1>Some things I forgot to ask. But in the center

750
00:38:47.039 --> 00:38:52.119
<v Speaker 1>was park grass floating in the center and trees in pots,

751
00:38:52.840 --> 00:38:54.920
<v Speaker 1>and above that was a lighthole at the top too,

752
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:57.159
<v Speaker 1>So there's obviously artificial light coming in from the top

753
00:38:57.199 --> 00:39:00.360
<v Speaker 1>on the bottom, and Grandpa Goan saw that. So we've

754
00:39:00.360 --> 00:39:03.840
<v Speaker 1>got some oxygen and we're trying to keep parts of

755
00:39:03.880 --> 00:39:06.840
<v Speaker 1>our planet alive. So this tree probably came from their planet,

756
00:39:06.880 --> 00:39:09.440
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't that dissimilar to ours. May have come

757
00:39:09.440 --> 00:39:11.280
<v Speaker 1>from I don't know, but when certainly not the only

758
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.119
<v Speaker 1>planet out there, and we are certainly not the only

759
00:39:13.239 --> 00:39:16.119
<v Speaker 1>life on planets. So just because they've got a different

760
00:39:16.119 --> 00:39:18.719
<v Speaker 1>tree species or different shaped eyes, doesn't mean they're very

761
00:39:18.800 --> 00:39:21.000
<v Speaker 1>much different to us. And that he said that was

762
00:39:21.039 --> 00:39:23.400
<v Speaker 1>for the humanian children or the children or whatever to

763
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.639
<v Speaker 1>play in. And why are some on the ship and

764
00:39:25.679 --> 00:39:29.280
<v Speaker 1>some on Earth. Well, there's no way of knowing what

765
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.519
<v Speaker 1>the genetic is going to do here on Earth. Mother

766
00:39:31.639 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 1>father baby gets part of dad, part of mum, and

767
00:39:34.719 --> 00:39:36.559
<v Speaker 1>you don't know which one they're going to look like. Well,

768
00:39:36.880 --> 00:39:40.920
<v Speaker 1>same deal for their interbreeding, and so if they're human enough,

769
00:39:40.920 --> 00:39:42.960
<v Speaker 1>they get to come back on live on Earth and

770
00:39:43.000 --> 00:39:46.119
<v Speaker 1>they get to be left in the mother's uterus, and

771
00:39:46.159 --> 00:39:48.719
<v Speaker 1>if they're not human enough and they look alien, they

772
00:39:48.760 --> 00:39:50.400
<v Speaker 1>have to take them up there to keep them living

773
00:39:50.400 --> 00:39:53.800
<v Speaker 1>in their environment. But their environment is less oxygen, more

774
00:39:53.800 --> 00:39:58.559
<v Speaker 1>carbon dioxide, colder, slower, their heart rate is slower, their

775
00:39:58.559 --> 00:40:01.280
<v Speaker 1>blow pressure is lower, their breathing is barely you can

776
00:40:01.320 --> 00:40:04.320
<v Speaker 1>barely see it. These are just the mercy things that

777
00:40:04.360 --> 00:40:08.320
<v Speaker 1>I observed and asked questions about. So then we got

778
00:40:08.400 --> 00:40:11.400
<v Speaker 1>into these. We were on one of the verandahs, and

779
00:40:11.679 --> 00:40:14.000
<v Speaker 1>one of the questions I'd asked was can you take

780
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:15.559
<v Speaker 1>me there for two weeks and let me stay with

781
00:40:15.599 --> 00:40:18.159
<v Speaker 1>my children? And he said, well, you're not going to

782
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:21.119
<v Speaker 1>survive here in this environment for that long. And remember

783
00:40:21.159 --> 00:40:22.719
<v Speaker 1>I said that when I come back, I'm sick, if

784
00:40:22.840 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 1>especially the longer it is, ESSI gram. So he showed

785
00:40:26.360 --> 00:40:29.119
<v Speaker 1>me the room that they lived in, and it was

786
00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 1>very minimalistic, to say the least. No corners made of

787
00:40:33.840 --> 00:40:37.159
<v Speaker 1>a silver metal. I cannot we don't have not aluminium,

788
00:40:37.159 --> 00:40:40.119
<v Speaker 1>not silver, not mercury, not I don't know, mixtures of

789
00:40:40.159 --> 00:40:44.280
<v Speaker 1>three and alloy perhaps, but something very smooth and beautiful.

790
00:40:44.639 --> 00:40:46.519
<v Speaker 1>There was a bed in one corner and a window

791
00:40:46.559 --> 00:40:49.480
<v Speaker 1>around window above it which I could see the stars

792
00:40:49.519 --> 00:40:51.639
<v Speaker 1>out of and I certainly have not seen them like

793
00:40:51.679 --> 00:40:52.000
<v Speaker 1>that on.

794
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:54.039
<v Speaker 2>Earth, so couldn't have made that up.

795
00:40:54.840 --> 00:40:57.400
<v Speaker 1>I was thinking that bed looks cold and hard, and

796
00:40:57.440 --> 00:40:59.719
<v Speaker 1>so Grandpa Grams had sit on it, so I did,

797
00:41:00.559 --> 00:41:02.960
<v Speaker 1>and it wasn't even though it was metal, it was

798
00:41:03.000 --> 00:41:06.159
<v Speaker 1>soft and spongy and not cold at all. And in

799
00:41:06.199 --> 00:41:09.360
<v Speaker 1>the corner was just a few shelves when covered. Because

800
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I basically asked if I could bring my toothbrush and

801
00:41:11.360 --> 00:41:14.440
<v Speaker 1>my hair brush, tone of clothes, so I guess that's

802
00:41:14.440 --> 00:41:16.400
<v Speaker 1>about all I could bring. But he said, they don't

803
00:41:16.400 --> 00:41:19.239
<v Speaker 1>have those knees. We had too many material things here

804
00:41:19.239 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 1>on earth, all of us. They just have not to

805
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:22.840
<v Speaker 1>need them, or they didn't, I don't know. I guess

806
00:41:22.840 --> 00:41:24.199
<v Speaker 1>they learned not to need them because they had to.

807
00:41:24.639 --> 00:41:26.079
<v Speaker 1>And then we went to the next room. And the

808
00:41:26.119 --> 00:41:29.239
<v Speaker 1>next room was this little girl or tenage girl, and

809
00:41:29.679 --> 00:41:31.639
<v Speaker 1>that's why we went in the room. And this girl

810
00:41:31.760 --> 00:41:34.960
<v Speaker 1>was sitting on a levitating stool I suppose no legs,

811
00:41:35.440 --> 00:41:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and there were all these toddlers sitting around, and.

812
00:41:37.920 --> 00:41:39.119
<v Speaker 2>One of them was my granddaughter.

813
00:41:39.119 --> 00:41:41.960
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't know that, I said, my Humalian granddaughter,

814
00:41:42.280 --> 00:41:45.760
<v Speaker 1>but my soul knew that because I looked straight at

815
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:48.679
<v Speaker 1>it in Grandpa Graham and said, that's your granddaughter. So

816
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:52.039
<v Speaker 1>my Humalian children have had children on the ship, and

817
00:41:52.119 --> 00:41:56.119
<v Speaker 1>she was so beautiful. They're just they are beautiful creatures,

818
00:41:56.159 --> 00:41:58.880
<v Speaker 1>really they are. Whether they're when I have a theory

819
00:41:58.920 --> 00:42:02.559
<v Speaker 1>that mixed jeans on Earth two different races produce beautiful

820
00:42:02.599 --> 00:42:05.440
<v Speaker 1>children because they're clean genes and we're not interbreeding in

821
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:07.880
<v Speaker 1>villages like we did hundreds of years ago. What's the

822
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:10.159
<v Speaker 1>same with them makes a humlion a human? And they're

823
00:42:10.159 --> 00:42:12.159
<v Speaker 1>just stunning, they really are. They seem to get the

824
00:42:12.159 --> 00:42:14.000
<v Speaker 1>best of faith, the best if they make it. Now,

825
00:42:14.039 --> 00:42:16.960
<v Speaker 1>I just will go on a tangent intentionally. Here I

826
00:42:17.000 --> 00:42:21.320
<v Speaker 1>saw in a well known Sydney hospital a gray, fully gray,

827
00:42:21.719 --> 00:42:25.719
<v Speaker 1>fully formed, fully termed alien baby in a jar of

828
00:42:25.800 --> 00:42:28.400
<v Speaker 1>formaldehyde that had come out of a human woman. I

829
00:42:28.440 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 1>was shown it by the professors in the hospital because

830
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:32.960
<v Speaker 1>they Because there's more to that story, I won't tell

831
00:42:32.960 --> 00:42:35.039
<v Speaker 1>all that a lot. But so I've seen these people

832
00:42:35.039 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 1>physically and on my visits. I've seen them on Earth,

833
00:42:38.119 --> 00:42:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and I send them in space, but it's my body.

834
00:42:41.519 --> 00:42:48.199
<v Speaker 1>It's not an out of body experience. They are not clones, spirits, demons, monsters,

835
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>cruel they're not going to eat humans.

836
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:50.880
<v Speaker 2>They under those things.

837
00:42:51.280 --> 00:42:53.519
<v Speaker 1>They're like the fact that some of my grandchildren are

838
00:42:53.519 --> 00:42:57.400
<v Speaker 1>half another European country. That it's all, honestly, And once

839
00:42:57.440 --> 00:43:00.719
<v Speaker 1>I understood all that, what was the fear? I see

840
00:43:00.840 --> 00:43:02.280
<v Speaker 1>ethical questions.

841
00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 2>In the breathing.

842
00:43:03.400 --> 00:43:06.480
<v Speaker 1>I now know that when the fetuses are removed from

843
00:43:06.480 --> 00:43:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the mother, they put into an artificial womb in a

844
00:43:09.920 --> 00:43:13.239
<v Speaker 1>big room, and that's just horrible, and they're playing with

845
00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 1>babies' lives. And I know we're not all but I'm

846
00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 1>anti abortion, anti anything like that. So Grandpa Graham said

847
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:22.480
<v Speaker 1>to me, and I didn't know about this room until

848
00:43:22.559 --> 00:43:24.280
<v Speaker 1>considerably later. He said, I didn't show you that at

849
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:26.719
<v Speaker 1>first because I knew't you wouldn't sit well with you.

850
00:43:26.760 --> 00:43:31.199
<v Speaker 1>And he actually said, I'm really, really sorry. We've probably

851
00:43:31.199 --> 00:43:33.000
<v Speaker 1>made you sick because all the time you're in space

852
00:43:33.039 --> 00:43:35.639
<v Speaker 1>and the stuff we've done to you, we didn't intend

853
00:43:35.719 --> 00:43:38.039
<v Speaker 1>for that to happen. But you do it to cows

854
00:43:38.079 --> 00:43:42.760
<v Speaker 1>and rats and monkeys. Hmmm, good point, but you know, thanks. However,

855
00:43:42.760 --> 00:43:44.840
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't swap these experiences for the world, and would

856
00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:46.719
<v Speaker 1>rather be sick and have had the experiences, they were

857
00:43:46.800 --> 00:43:52.599
<v Speaker 1>just incredible, and I know people that will have ancestors

858
00:43:52.599 --> 00:43:56.360
<v Speaker 1>that one day we'll live on Earth. Now, it's remember

859
00:43:56.400 --> 00:43:58.719
<v Speaker 1>I said, if I should do a diagram and it

860
00:43:58.840 --> 00:44:02.400
<v Speaker 1>all linking, I could put ars things, but that if

861
00:44:02.400 --> 00:44:04.159
<v Speaker 1>they were too alien, they'd have to go back and

862
00:44:04.199 --> 00:44:06.000
<v Speaker 1>live with them because they couldn't survive on Earth, and

863
00:44:06.039 --> 00:44:09.559
<v Speaker 1>if they were human enough, they'd let them live on Earth. Well,

864
00:44:09.559 --> 00:44:13.280
<v Speaker 1>I have met or seen in the street several people

865
00:44:13.280 --> 00:44:16.880
<v Speaker 1>that I recognize as humanian by traits, certain physical traits

866
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:19.079
<v Speaker 1>about them, and they look at me and we look

867
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:20.800
<v Speaker 1>straight into each other's eyes and can hear each other

868
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:24.719
<v Speaker 1>talking strangers in the street. Not a lot, but enough

869
00:44:24.760 --> 00:44:29.280
<v Speaker 1>to not it's true. So their point, the Grays point,

870
00:44:29.320 --> 00:44:32.559
<v Speaker 1>is to when they left their planet and lived in space,

871
00:44:32.599 --> 00:44:36.119
<v Speaker 1>they lost their fertility, their alability to breed, so that's

872
00:44:36.159 --> 00:44:36.559
<v Speaker 1>why they.

873
00:44:36.480 --> 00:44:40.800
<v Speaker 2>Developed overf but it didn't work straight up.

874
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.199
<v Speaker 1>It's taken a few generations because of the different atmospheric pressures,

875
00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:50.000
<v Speaker 1>oxygenal stuff I've already mentioned. So they're hoping that if

876
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:52.719
<v Speaker 1>you breed several generations down, eventually they're going to have

877
00:44:52.760 --> 00:44:56.599
<v Speaker 1>someone that's part gray but looks human that can survive

878
00:44:56.639 --> 00:44:59.599
<v Speaker 1>in our atmosphere without getting sick and also survive in

879
00:44:59.599 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 1>their am sphere without getting sick. Now why it's because

880
00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:07.920
<v Speaker 1>they claim, or Grandpa Graham claimed that their ancestral memories

881
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:13.320
<v Speaker 1>are all on their DNA, so they remember things from

882
00:45:13.360 --> 00:45:16.039
<v Speaker 1>millions of years ago. They can access things that have

883
00:45:16.079 --> 00:45:19.679
<v Speaker 1>already been learned, things that have already been studied, and

884
00:45:19.679 --> 00:45:22.280
<v Speaker 1>they've got this massive library of just for the sake

885
00:45:22.320 --> 00:45:26.719
<v Speaker 1>of visualizing, imagine a massive room, several stories high, full

886
00:45:26.719 --> 00:45:29.159
<v Speaker 1>of slides out of the lab. They're not slides, there's

887
00:45:29.199 --> 00:45:32.320
<v Speaker 1>something else, but the walls aligned with samples of the DNA.

888
00:45:33.119 --> 00:45:35.199
<v Speaker 1>And he said to insists from all over the universe,

889
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:39.800
<v Speaker 1>different planets, different animals, different plants, And that's why this

890
00:45:39.920 --> 00:45:40.599
<v Speaker 1>is snow as Uk.

891
00:45:40.920 --> 00:45:42.920
<v Speaker 2>And we have to keep this going. We've got to.

892
00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.960
<v Speaker 1>If you blow up Earth, which and hey, look what's

893
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:49.840
<v Speaker 1>going on in the world now, we lose our multiple

894
00:45:49.880 --> 00:45:54.119
<v Speaker 1>generations worth of bringing experiments. Plus those of us that

895
00:45:54.239 --> 00:45:57.880
<v Speaker 1>believe think that believe it's not the right word. No,

896
00:45:58.719 --> 00:46:02.519
<v Speaker 1>I think that there's probably aliens on Earth for AONs, thousands,

897
00:46:02.599 --> 00:46:05.000
<v Speaker 1>even millions of years. But this is just someone I'm

898
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:08.599
<v Speaker 1>talking about now. The greatest experience that probably started in Roswell,

899
00:46:09.239 --> 00:46:12.039
<v Speaker 1>So there's a reason for their experiments that I've started

900
00:46:12.079 --> 00:46:14.960
<v Speaker 1>with their sum up. They're human like, they're not human,

901
00:46:15.039 --> 00:46:17.920
<v Speaker 1>but they're very similar to humans. I've gotten to know

902
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.320
<v Speaker 1>them as individual people, and the ones I know are

903
00:46:20.360 --> 00:46:24.440
<v Speaker 1>all different personalities. As a weed, they're like our International

904
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:29.960
<v Speaker 1>Space Station astronauts doing experiments where the lab rats just fat.

905
00:46:30.639 --> 00:46:32.679
<v Speaker 1>They don't mean to harm us, but they're trying to

906
00:46:32.760 --> 00:46:36.599
<v Speaker 1>keep their race going and their information going. And I

907
00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.039
<v Speaker 1>think eventually it'll be fine. I think they'll be Humalians

908
00:46:40.079 --> 00:46:46.679
<v Speaker 1>walking amongst us, working in McDonald's, working in architecture jobs, whatever, whatever,

909
00:46:47.320 --> 00:46:51.119
<v Speaker 1>and it'll be like, well, the best example one thing,

910
00:46:51.239 --> 00:46:53.280
<v Speaker 1>it will be like when Captain Cook came to Australia.

911
00:46:53.800 --> 00:46:56.320
<v Speaker 1>We know the Dutch gott Effirsts don't start me, and

912
00:46:56.920 --> 00:47:00.000
<v Speaker 1>Captain Cook's men thought that the Aborigines were demons because

913
00:47:00.119 --> 00:47:02.679
<v Speaker 1>they are very black, and the Aboriginal he thought that

914
00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:05.199
<v Speaker 1>Captain Cook's men were ghosts because they were very white.

915
00:47:05.440 --> 00:47:08.599
<v Speaker 1>And they were both wrong, obviously, and obviously we can

916
00:47:08.800 --> 00:47:12.320
<v Speaker 1>breed with each other. And it's not just Aborigin like

917
00:47:12.360 --> 00:47:14.320
<v Speaker 1>all different racist it's just that I'm Australian. That's the

918
00:47:14.320 --> 00:47:16.559
<v Speaker 1>best example I can give you. So what I really

919
00:47:16.559 --> 00:47:19.400
<v Speaker 1>want is for people to realize that these people are,

920
00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:22.639
<v Speaker 1>including my own two biological children, however, they were conceived

921
00:47:22.719 --> 00:47:24.599
<v Speaker 1>or born, very much people.

922
00:47:25.519 --> 00:47:26.960
<v Speaker 2>And I'm sure.

923
00:47:26.679 --> 00:47:28.599
<v Speaker 1>That in their race they have good and bad and

924
00:47:28.639 --> 00:47:30.719
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that demons exist too, but they're not in

925
00:47:31.239 --> 00:47:33.519
<v Speaker 1>But we've got the best of them doing as we

926
00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 1>do on the ISS. We've got the scientists, we've got

927
00:47:35.559 --> 00:47:38.039
<v Speaker 1>the educated ones, and we've got the non criminal ones.

928
00:47:38.519 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 1>I also discovered that they have a no tolerance crime

929
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and anybody who does anything wrong.

930
00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:43.760
<v Speaker 2>Just is killed. Yep.

931
00:47:43.920 --> 00:47:46.280
<v Speaker 1>But that's what they do. So they have a very

932
00:47:46.280 --> 00:47:49.880
<v Speaker 1>good society, working very well. Everyone's got a job, everyone eats.

933
00:47:49.960 --> 00:47:53.679
<v Speaker 1>They have communal eating rooms, but private bedrooms. Families live together.

934
00:47:54.159 --> 00:47:56.280
<v Speaker 1>They don't have money, but they have a points system

935
00:47:56.519 --> 00:47:57.719
<v Speaker 1>so they have to earn what they eat.

936
00:47:58.480 --> 00:48:01.000
<v Speaker 2>It's really really all good and we could learn so

937
00:48:01.119 --> 00:48:02.199
<v Speaker 2>much from them.

938
00:48:02.559 --> 00:48:04.280
<v Speaker 1>And I am now sixty five, so a lot of

939
00:48:04.280 --> 00:48:06.320
<v Speaker 1>what I saw was a long time ago, and didn't

940
00:48:06.639 --> 00:48:09.480
<v Speaker 1>things didn't exist on this earth. We didn't even have

941
00:48:09.559 --> 00:48:14.760
<v Speaker 1>mobile phones, let alone ultrasounds, ivs sendoscopies, like bending technology.

942
00:48:15.079 --> 00:48:16.679
<v Speaker 1>A lot of that stuff has come true, but not

943
00:48:16.760 --> 00:48:18.800
<v Speaker 1>all of it. I've seen a lot of stuff that's

944
00:48:18.800 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 1>still not here, but it will be. And I don't

945
00:48:21.440 --> 00:48:23.119
<v Speaker 1>think they're thousands of years ahead of us. I think

946
00:48:23.119 --> 00:48:25.599
<v Speaker 1>they're only hundreds of years ahead of us. And I

947
00:48:25.639 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 1>don't think they're brilliantly smarter than us. I think it's

948
00:48:28.639 --> 00:48:31.840
<v Speaker 1>just that's their slice of society, the slice of the

949
00:48:31.920 --> 00:48:34.679
<v Speaker 1>pie of the educated ones. But they certainly know a

950
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:37.079
<v Speaker 1>lot more than us, and they seem to have learnt

951
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:40.280
<v Speaker 1>by it, and in my experience, they believe in a god,

952
00:48:40.320 --> 00:48:43.400
<v Speaker 1>the same god as us, and they definitely have a soul.

953
00:48:44.119 --> 00:48:46.159
<v Speaker 3>Thanks Nick, thank you for sharing all that.

954
00:48:46.280 --> 00:48:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Jane, You're welcome. I hope it helps.

955
00:48:48.639 --> 00:48:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Someone, Indeed it will. How do you feel fine?

956
00:48:52.119 --> 00:48:53.679
<v Speaker 2>Because I'm know I'm down the truth. I feel good

957
00:48:53.679 --> 00:48:54.559
<v Speaker 2>when I do it.

958
00:48:54.159 --> 00:48:56.960
<v Speaker 1>It's like I feel like I'm a little bit nervous

959
00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:58.559
<v Speaker 1>to start with, because I know it can sound nutty

960
00:48:58.559 --> 00:49:01.039
<v Speaker 1>if you haven't seen anything. I feel good after it

961
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.559
<v Speaker 1>because it's true exactly.

962
00:49:03.840 --> 00:49:05.599
<v Speaker 3>That's what it's all about it. If it happened, then

963
00:49:05.639 --> 00:49:09.440
<v Speaker 3>there's no problem. Jane, do you think that an abduction

964
00:49:09.639 --> 00:49:13.920
<v Speaker 3>can be truly considered positive if the person cannot give

965
00:49:14.079 --> 00:49:15.239
<v Speaker 3>informed consent.

966
00:49:16.280 --> 00:49:19.320
<v Speaker 1>No, And even though I carry on in a happy

967
00:49:19.360 --> 00:49:23.639
<v Speaker 1>fashion and like them, I understand the negatives and that's

968
00:49:23.679 --> 00:49:25.679
<v Speaker 1>part of my trauma.

969
00:49:25.800 --> 00:49:26.719
<v Speaker 2>But I've worked through it.

970
00:49:27.159 --> 00:49:30.920
<v Speaker 1>And if other people are still terrified and don't remember everything,

971
00:49:31.519 --> 00:49:34.039
<v Speaker 1>so no, I guess it's not one hundred percent positive.

972
00:49:34.039 --> 00:49:36.519
<v Speaker 2>But the visit itself is I.

973
00:49:36.559 --> 00:49:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Like them, They like me, they're kind to me, they

974
00:49:38.440 --> 00:49:41.599
<v Speaker 1>answer my questions, they're gentle, they're loving. There are doctors

975
00:49:41.599 --> 00:49:45.000
<v Speaker 1>and nurses and scientists, but the understanswer has to be no.

976
00:49:45.280 --> 00:49:48.159
<v Speaker 1>It's understandable that some people are frightened, and I would

977
00:49:48.199 --> 00:49:50.679
<v Speaker 1>never have consented to them taking through my children. So

978
00:49:50.800 --> 00:49:52.880
<v Speaker 1>that's the other thing. I've just been through all the

979
00:49:52.920 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>stages of grief, including anger, and because I was lucky

980
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:58.920
<v Speaker 1>enough to have studied that a bit and worked with

981
00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:01.239
<v Speaker 1>that a bit, I able to help myself with it.

982
00:50:01.280 --> 00:50:03.800
<v Speaker 3>I guess, of course, Yeah, people deal with it in

983
00:50:03.840 --> 00:50:07.079
<v Speaker 3>different ways. They do. You said you processed it and

984
00:50:07.440 --> 00:50:10.159
<v Speaker 3>you looked at it as if they were just somewhere else,

985
00:50:10.480 --> 00:50:13.599
<v Speaker 3>like a child living somewhere else. Did you ever given names?

986
00:50:14.079 --> 00:50:15.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I did, and they're all in the book. They've

987
00:50:15.800 --> 00:50:16.440
<v Speaker 2>all got names.

988
00:50:16.840 --> 00:50:19.400
<v Speaker 1>Howe about my Earth children in the book have fake names,

989
00:50:19.440 --> 00:50:21.159
<v Speaker 1>and that's the only thing in the book that's fake,

990
00:50:21.360 --> 00:50:24.559
<v Speaker 1>non diplumes, because that's just not fair to my children.

991
00:50:24.760 --> 00:50:26.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course that's more than understandable.

992
00:50:27.079 --> 00:50:30.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and there's no like my humanian children. It doesn't matter,

993
00:50:30.119 --> 00:50:31.639
<v Speaker 1>does it. No one's going to go and find them

994
00:50:31.760 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 1>unless they're in the know. So it was all right

995
00:50:34.239 --> 00:50:35.960
<v Speaker 1>to put their real names. But they're just names I've

996
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.800
<v Speaker 1>given them. They have names in gray language. I just

997
00:50:39.840 --> 00:50:43.000
<v Speaker 1>felt I needed to see them as people, because they are.

998
00:50:43.599 --> 00:50:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Were you ever given an indication that you would ever

999
00:50:46.360 --> 00:50:46.760
<v Speaker 3>see them?

1000
00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Yes, and I have. I have not enough, but I

1001
00:50:49.639 --> 00:50:52.159
<v Speaker 1>have seen them, so that helps a lot. I just

1002
00:50:52.199 --> 00:50:54.360
<v Speaker 1>wish they could come down here and stay, stay for

1003
00:50:54.360 --> 00:50:55.559
<v Speaker 1>a couple of weeks, or I could go there and

1004
00:50:55.559 --> 00:50:58.159
<v Speaker 1>stay for a couple of weeks. But I now understand

1005
00:50:58.440 --> 00:50:59.840
<v Speaker 1>why they can't and I can't.

1006
00:51:00.440 --> 00:51:02.599
<v Speaker 3>I mean, it makes sense, especially what we've heard over

1007
00:51:02.639 --> 00:51:06.000
<v Speaker 3>the years and what you've explained tonight. You formed a

1008
00:51:06.079 --> 00:51:07.639
<v Speaker 3>bond with one of them.

1009
00:51:07.800 --> 00:51:10.320
<v Speaker 2>I did. Yeah, Well, Graham's just a bit of a joke,

1010
00:51:10.360 --> 00:51:11.119
<v Speaker 2>a play on gray.

1011
00:51:11.440 --> 00:51:13.800
<v Speaker 1>You know, the color g r a y, I am,

1012
00:51:14.159 --> 00:51:16.239
<v Speaker 1>you know, playing with the human name, and that people

1013
00:51:16.280 --> 00:51:18.400
<v Speaker 1>call them the grays just a joke, and he thinks

1014
00:51:18.400 --> 00:51:20.719
<v Speaker 1>it's funny. And then the grandpaet is, well, he's old

1015
00:51:20.800 --> 00:51:23.639
<v Speaker 1>enough to be my I think I actually now think

1016
00:51:23.840 --> 00:51:27.039
<v Speaker 1>the end of it all that he is he's DNA

1017
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:29.360
<v Speaker 1>is in me somehow. Of course I have his parents

1018
00:51:29.440 --> 00:51:32.840
<v Speaker 1>and human parents and human grandparents, but I think that

1019
00:51:32.920 --> 00:51:36.199
<v Speaker 1>it's further down the line in my family tree.

1020
00:51:36.599 --> 00:51:39.920
<v Speaker 3>Okay, And did he ever tell you obviously you've asked

1021
00:51:39.920 --> 00:51:43.079
<v Speaker 3>a lot of questions over time. Did he ever tell

1022
00:51:43.159 --> 00:51:46.920
<v Speaker 3>you how long this breeding program has been going and

1023
00:51:47.000 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 3>how long it will last?

1024
00:51:48.119 --> 00:51:48.280
<v Speaker 1>For?

1025
00:51:48.880 --> 00:51:52.280
<v Speaker 2>Yes? Yes, no, yes, he told me that.

1026
00:51:52.320 --> 00:51:54.559
<v Speaker 1>I mean, I'm not I am old in your books,

1027
00:51:54.599 --> 00:51:57.360
<v Speaker 1>but I'm not old enough to remember Eisenhower. And he

1028
00:51:57.440 --> 00:52:00.920
<v Speaker 1>did tell me that President Eisenhower made an agreement after

1029
00:52:00.960 --> 00:52:03.639
<v Speaker 1>the Bronzewell. And I think this is not well known,

1030
00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:08.400
<v Speaker 1>but known with them to experiment on humans for the

1031
00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:12.079
<v Speaker 1>breeding program and in exchange for technology. And we certainly

1032
00:52:12.079 --> 00:52:15.159
<v Speaker 1>have gone ahead medically and perhaps in technology I don't

1033
00:52:15.199 --> 00:52:16.119
<v Speaker 1>know about on Earth.

1034
00:52:16.159 --> 00:52:17.320
<v Speaker 2>So they exchanged it for.

1035
00:52:17.320 --> 00:52:20.440
<v Speaker 1>Tech, and Eisenhower allegedly gave them a list of junior

1036
00:52:21.119 --> 00:52:26.599
<v Speaker 1>mostly English soldiers, and they just took their babies in

1037
00:52:26.679 --> 00:52:29.320
<v Speaker 1>experiment on them, and people just thought they had a miscarriage.

1038
00:52:29.320 --> 00:52:33.280
<v Speaker 1>And so that's only I don't know, four or five generations.

1039
00:52:33.840 --> 00:52:37.199
<v Speaker 1>But they have been here for thousands of years. They

1040
00:52:37.199 --> 00:52:40.440
<v Speaker 1>told me they saw the birth and the death of Christ,

1041
00:52:40.639 --> 00:52:44.599
<v Speaker 1>and they saw the Great Flood, and they saw lots

1042
00:52:44.599 --> 00:52:48.519
<v Speaker 1>of things that archaeologists have discovered since. But that's their ancestors.

1043
00:52:48.559 --> 00:52:51.639
<v Speaker 1>Of course, Grandpa goings down the generations.

1044
00:52:52.239 --> 00:52:56.639
<v Speaker 3>So say, officially they basically started this with Eisenhower. That

1045
00:52:56.679 --> 00:52:58.320
<v Speaker 3>would have been nineteen fifty four.

1046
00:52:58.760 --> 00:53:01.320
<v Speaker 1>Well, I was born in nineteen sixty one. That's the

1047
00:53:01.360 --> 00:53:03.800
<v Speaker 1>same year as the Betty and Barney Hill case, which

1048
00:53:03.880 --> 00:53:07.880
<v Speaker 1>I now know, which was the first recorded abduction witnessed

1049
00:53:07.880 --> 00:53:12.519
<v Speaker 1>by two people case same year. And my biological father

1050
00:53:13.000 --> 00:53:16.840
<v Speaker 1>was a junior English officer and his brother was I

1051
00:53:16.880 --> 00:53:21.440
<v Speaker 1>six spy for England, and that again is provable. So

1052
00:53:22.599 --> 00:53:24.800
<v Speaker 1>but what Eyesen how allegedly said was just to make

1053
00:53:24.840 --> 00:53:27.239
<v Speaker 1>sure they don't know, and so they were sedating us

1054
00:53:27.519 --> 00:53:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and wiping our memories. But as time's gone on, people

1055
00:53:30.400 --> 00:53:31.840
<v Speaker 1>like me have stopped around and go But I want

1056
00:53:31.880 --> 00:53:34.920
<v Speaker 1>to understand and some of us they take without sedation.

1057
00:53:35.320 --> 00:53:37.320
<v Speaker 2>I'm not the only one again.

1058
00:53:37.360 --> 00:53:39.559
<v Speaker 1>And I think I just got on really really well

1059
00:53:39.599 --> 00:53:42.760
<v Speaker 1>with Grandpa Graham and we formed a relationship and he

1060
00:53:42.840 --> 00:53:46.119
<v Speaker 1>was happy to help me and try and apologize.

1061
00:53:45.559 --> 00:53:46.320
<v Speaker 2>What they've done.

1062
00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:50.000
<v Speaker 1>But if I hadn't been a labrat, wouldn't seen what

1063
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I've seen or have met Grandpa Graham.

1064
00:53:52.960 --> 00:53:54.960
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not swapping that for the world.

1065
00:53:55.440 --> 00:53:59.519
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you developed, and you've had these experiences obviously in

1066
00:53:59.559 --> 00:54:02.320
<v Speaker 3>the very big and you didn't understand what was going on.

1067
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:06.239
<v Speaker 3>I didn't, and you performed this relationship with him. And

1068
00:54:06.280 --> 00:54:08.440
<v Speaker 3>it does seem if you grow over a lot of

1069
00:54:08.519 --> 00:54:11.320
<v Speaker 3>many of the abduction cases and people I speak to,

1070
00:54:11.639 --> 00:54:14.440
<v Speaker 3>there seems to be a figure, whether it be male

1071
00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:20.360
<v Speaker 3>or female, that seems to connect with the oh wow individual.

1072
00:54:20.079 --> 00:54:22.760
<v Speaker 1>As it was explained to me, groups of children from

1073
00:54:22.800 --> 00:54:25.760
<v Speaker 1>beginning to end, and those are all around my age now,

1074
00:54:26.039 --> 00:54:28.400
<v Speaker 1>some older, some younger, but the same group. And they've

1075
00:54:28.719 --> 00:54:32.559
<v Speaker 1>organized these groups and then they've followed them right through

1076
00:54:32.639 --> 00:54:35.400
<v Speaker 1>and they'll continue to follow us through until we die,

1077
00:54:35.599 --> 00:54:38.119
<v Speaker 1>because why would I be taken post menopause? But anyway,

1078
00:54:38.599 --> 00:54:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I think that somebody's in charge of each of those groups,

1079
00:54:42.760 --> 00:54:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and then somebody's in charge of the bigger project, much

1080
00:54:44.960 --> 00:54:46.760
<v Speaker 1>like we would, and then there's probably a CEO or

1081
00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:49.039
<v Speaker 1>whatever you want to call it. And we went into

1082
00:54:49.119 --> 00:54:51.039
<v Speaker 1>this room at one point, just on the mother ship,

1083
00:54:51.119 --> 00:54:52.159
<v Speaker 1>so this explains it.

1084
00:54:53.119 --> 00:54:53.920
<v Speaker 2>And there were all.

1085
00:54:53.800 --> 00:54:57.880
<v Speaker 1>These grays with their heads down working on levitating tables,

1086
00:54:57.920 --> 00:55:02.960
<v Speaker 1>doing something, and one of them look dub his eyes widened,

1087
00:55:03.119 --> 00:55:06.760
<v Speaker 1>their magnificent eyes, I'll tell you, and he nodded, and

1088
00:55:06.760 --> 00:55:09.320
<v Speaker 1>Grandpa Graham was allowed to show me around, and no

1089
00:55:09.360 --> 00:55:11.800
<v Speaker 1>one else looked up. Now, whether I don't know whether

1090
00:55:11.840 --> 00:55:14.639
<v Speaker 1>that was a respect thing, whether Grandpa Graham was the

1091
00:55:14.639 --> 00:55:16.679
<v Speaker 1>boss with the others were workers, whether the one that

1092
00:55:16.719 --> 00:55:19.239
<v Speaker 1>looked up was the next boss, I really don't know.

1093
00:55:19.280 --> 00:55:21.880
<v Speaker 2>But it all reminded me of the sort of hierarchy

1094
00:55:21.920 --> 00:55:22.480
<v Speaker 2>we have on Earth.

1095
00:55:22.920 --> 00:55:26.519
<v Speaker 1>So and I also have somebody else, two other women

1096
00:55:26.559 --> 00:55:29.599
<v Speaker 1>tell me that they think they know Grandpa Graham too

1097
00:55:30.039 --> 00:55:31.519
<v Speaker 1>from my descriptions.

1098
00:55:31.880 --> 00:55:32.880
<v Speaker 2>So I'm sure that you're right.

1099
00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.280
<v Speaker 1>But I hadn't. I mean, that's just my little circle.

1100
00:55:35.320 --> 00:55:37.599
<v Speaker 1>I hadn't heard that that was the main figure. But

1101
00:55:37.639 --> 00:55:39.800
<v Speaker 1>that would that would make sense, wouldn't it If they're

1102
00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:40.880
<v Speaker 1>all organized in groups.

1103
00:55:41.159 --> 00:55:43.199
<v Speaker 2>Science groups. Do you know what I mean by that?

1104
00:55:43.400 --> 00:55:47.519
<v Speaker 3>Maybe like a like a cosmic social worker case officer,

1105
00:55:48.880 --> 00:55:51.480
<v Speaker 3>something like that is mind you. It doesn't happen in

1106
00:55:51.559 --> 00:55:54.679
<v Speaker 3>every account. It just seems to be the ones which

1107
00:55:54.760 --> 00:55:58.239
<v Speaker 3>there's been prolonged multiple contacts.

1108
00:55:58.599 --> 00:56:02.039
<v Speaker 1>I think too, when I'm telling you this story, I

1109
00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:06.840
<v Speaker 1>feel love for a grandfatherly man called Grandpa Graham to me.

1110
00:56:07.320 --> 00:56:11.519
<v Speaker 1>And you can't imagine love, That's what I think. And

1111
00:56:11.559 --> 00:56:15.079
<v Speaker 1>you can't imagine you're loving your children, and you can't

1112
00:56:15.119 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 1>imagine different faces. And I've heard that human beings can't

1113
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:21.719
<v Speaker 1>dream things they haven't seen at least part of you know,

1114
00:56:21.880 --> 00:56:24.400
<v Speaker 1>like the seed of the scene that they're dreaming, or

1115
00:56:25.320 --> 00:56:28.760
<v Speaker 1>I cannot make up their feeling of love. You can't imagine.

1116
00:56:29.159 --> 00:56:31.639
<v Speaker 1>You can't love an imagine your friend. So I love

1117
00:56:31.679 --> 00:56:34.880
<v Speaker 1>Grandpa Graham. He's real, Yeah, and I love him in

1118
00:56:35.199 --> 00:56:36.360
<v Speaker 1>a very appropriate way.

1119
00:56:36.559 --> 00:56:39.079
<v Speaker 3>Did he ever tell you or did you ever ask

1120
00:56:39.360 --> 00:56:41.480
<v Speaker 3>where they originated from?

1121
00:56:41.559 --> 00:56:41.800
<v Speaker 2>Yes?

1122
00:56:41.960 --> 00:56:44.119
<v Speaker 1>And he said I wouldn't know the name of the planet.

1123
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:45.880
<v Speaker 1>There wasn't a human name for the planet, so he

1124
00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:47.800
<v Speaker 1>couldn't give it to me because I can't stand click

1125
00:56:47.800 --> 00:56:50.719
<v Speaker 1>click click, And I have wondered if it was Mars,

1126
00:56:51.079 --> 00:56:53.679
<v Speaker 1>but I didn't wander that till I got back from visit,

1127
00:56:54.119 --> 00:56:56.119
<v Speaker 1>so it may or may not be, but it was

1128
00:56:56.159 --> 00:56:59.400
<v Speaker 1>that scenario. He did say, like the Mars scenario. So no,

1129
00:56:59.719 --> 00:57:01.440
<v Speaker 1>I I haven't got a name. And the other thing

1130
00:57:01.440 --> 00:57:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I forgot to ask is people often say did you

1131
00:57:03.440 --> 00:57:04.159
<v Speaker 1>see what they eat?

1132
00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:04.360
<v Speaker 2>No?

1133
00:57:04.480 --> 00:57:06.599
<v Speaker 1>But I forgot to ask. Remember I said, they only

1134
00:57:06.639 --> 00:57:08.239
<v Speaker 1>answer what you ask, don't I.

1135
00:57:08.559 --> 00:57:10.800
<v Speaker 3>When did you ask that? Were you young? A lot

1136
00:57:10.840 --> 00:57:11.800
<v Speaker 3>younger when you asked that?

1137
00:57:12.400 --> 00:57:12.480
<v Speaker 2>No?

1138
00:57:12.599 --> 00:57:15.199
<v Speaker 1>I asked the mothership and all. This was only about

1139
00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:17.880
<v Speaker 1>just before I write the book, So back to twenty fourteen,

1140
00:57:18.079 --> 00:57:21.159
<v Speaker 1>because I was stumping around in my head asking questions

1141
00:57:21.239 --> 00:57:23.599
<v Speaker 1>and saying I deserve to understand and how dare they

1142
00:57:23.639 --> 00:57:25.360
<v Speaker 1>take me all those times and not explain what they

1143
00:57:25.360 --> 00:57:25.800
<v Speaker 1>were doing?

1144
00:57:26.079 --> 00:57:26.960
<v Speaker 2>So I came.

1145
00:57:26.760 --> 00:57:30.960
<v Speaker 1>Back going, wow, that was amazing. I've gone for fifteen hours,

1146
00:57:31.320 --> 00:57:34.039
<v Speaker 1>so no wonder I felt sick. But I also came

1147
00:57:34.079 --> 00:57:36.159
<v Speaker 1>back thinking, oh, I didn't ask this, and I didn't

1148
00:57:36.199 --> 00:57:39.119
<v Speaker 1>ask that, So I don't know what. There'll be another opportunity,

1149
00:57:39.159 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 1>but that's what's happened.

1150
00:57:40.320 --> 00:57:43.760
<v Speaker 3>A lot of people say that the abductions for the

1151
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:48.880
<v Speaker 3>breeding program has ceased, but I still get accounts, And

1152
00:57:49.519 --> 00:57:52.039
<v Speaker 3>could it be that people that were originally getting it,

1153
00:57:52.079 --> 00:57:55.400
<v Speaker 3>you know, they've got older, you know, like yourself, So

1154
00:57:56.119 --> 00:57:58.599
<v Speaker 3>could it be that it's still carrying on, but with

1155
00:57:59.119 --> 00:58:00.920
<v Speaker 3>obviously younger generations.

1156
00:58:01.400 --> 00:58:04.880
<v Speaker 1>Well I think that once i've certainly been less times

1157
00:58:04.960 --> 00:58:07.920
<v Speaker 1>and seen more in the sky, you have those sins.

1158
00:58:08.039 --> 00:58:11.360
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't fertile, but I think that they go down

1159
00:58:11.360 --> 00:58:14.280
<v Speaker 1>the generations and you might have this is not me.

1160
00:58:14.400 --> 00:58:16.920
<v Speaker 1>You might have four children and eight grandchildren, and they

1161
00:58:16.960 --> 00:58:21.559
<v Speaker 1>might take one of your grandchildren regularly, So they're still

1162
00:58:21.559 --> 00:58:23.800
<v Speaker 1>following the DNA down the lines, but they're not taking

1163
00:58:23.840 --> 00:58:27.880
<v Speaker 1>everybody in your family. I suspect my grandfather might have

1164
00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:31.159
<v Speaker 1>been taken, but unfortunately he's not alive, and I didn't

1165
00:58:31.440 --> 00:58:34.119
<v Speaker 1>have the courage to ask before he went. And I

1166
00:58:34.119 --> 00:58:36.440
<v Speaker 1>guess one of my grandchildren may be now, or maybe

1167
00:58:36.440 --> 00:58:37.000
<v Speaker 1>one of their.

1168
00:58:36.920 --> 00:58:37.639
<v Speaker 2>Children will be.

1169
00:58:37.760 --> 00:58:39.920
<v Speaker 1>I don't think the breeding programs over at all, because

1170
00:58:39.920 --> 00:58:42.519
<v Speaker 1>that's not how it works. They need to keep going

1171
00:58:42.599 --> 00:58:45.599
<v Speaker 1>until they can live on this planet. Haven't got another

1172
00:58:45.639 --> 00:58:47.960
<v Speaker 1>planet to go to, so they want their race on

1173
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.079
<v Speaker 1>this Earth or species what if you want to call it,

1174
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:52.039
<v Speaker 1>and all their DNA memories on the Earth so it

1175
00:58:52.079 --> 00:58:54.880
<v Speaker 1>can't be over yet, but it will be older people.

1176
00:58:55.199 --> 00:58:57.519
<v Speaker 1>You can't take me and breed me with me now,

1177
00:58:58.119 --> 00:59:00.960
<v Speaker 1>so that bit stops, But that doesn't Visits might stop

1178
00:59:00.960 --> 00:59:05.480
<v Speaker 1>if you're not particularly interested in cold emotionally or don't

1179
00:59:05.519 --> 00:59:06.199
<v Speaker 1>remember much.

1180
00:59:06.400 --> 00:59:08.519
<v Speaker 2>But I'm enthusiastic and pushing.

1181
00:59:08.840 --> 00:59:11.280
<v Speaker 3>It's something which is definitely going to take a lot

1182
00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:14.400
<v Speaker 3>of time. It's a bit like the evolution of animals,

1183
00:59:14.440 --> 00:59:17.920
<v Speaker 3>isn't it. It takes a largely a long period of time.

1184
00:59:18.519 --> 00:59:19.280
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I do know.

1185
00:59:20.280 --> 00:59:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Grandpa and Graham did tell me that they were really

1186
00:59:22.880 --> 00:59:26.760
<v Speaker 1>terrifieds the wrong way, but very very concerned about us

1187
00:59:26.800 --> 00:59:31.199
<v Speaker 1>destroying ourselves, as in humans destroying the planet with nukes,

1188
00:59:31.760 --> 00:59:34.599
<v Speaker 1>and it will ruin not only all of their However,

1189
00:59:34.679 --> 00:59:36.079
<v Speaker 1>Aon's perhaps have experiments.

1190
00:59:36.119 --> 00:59:38.480
<v Speaker 2>They'll probably do it before roswell. I don't know. That's

1191
00:59:38.519 --> 00:59:39.199
<v Speaker 2>just all I do know.

1192
00:59:39.519 --> 00:59:42.599
<v Speaker 1>And they won't have anywhere to live either. Plus nuclear

1193
00:59:42.800 --> 00:59:45.719
<v Speaker 1>weapons reverberate out into space and knock all the planets

1194
00:59:45.719 --> 00:59:49.119
<v Speaker 1>off their track. But I also met and asked a

1195
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:53.400
<v Speaker 1>retired old physicist if we had nukes big enough to

1196
00:59:53.440 --> 00:59:55.599
<v Speaker 1>destroy the whole planet, and he said, we do. We

1197
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:58.239
<v Speaker 1>do so, as I've written in the last chapter of

1198
00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.760
<v Speaker 1>my book in detail. When they told this man said, yes,

1199
01:00:01.760 --> 01:00:04.000
<v Speaker 1>that is absolutely possible. Now I wouldn't have known that

1200
01:00:04.480 --> 01:00:08.320
<v Speaker 1>because that's not my field of expertise. So I don't

1201
01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 1>believe the breeding program's over. I do believe we're threatening

1202
01:00:11.599 --> 01:00:14.960
<v Speaker 1>not only ourselves, but the rest of the universe, or

1203
01:00:14.960 --> 01:00:17.800
<v Speaker 1>at least the planet's closest to us. And I think

1204
01:00:17.880 --> 01:00:20.559
<v Speaker 1>humans are being absolute idiots with this beautiful planet. And

1205
01:00:20.599 --> 01:00:22.840
<v Speaker 1>why do we get so many visitors from out of space,

1206
01:00:22.920 --> 01:00:26.039
<v Speaker 1>Because we do have a beautiful planet. We do have

1207
01:00:26.079 --> 01:00:29.159
<v Speaker 1>all these resources that they can't find elsewhere. We do

1208
01:00:29.239 --> 01:00:31.800
<v Speaker 1>have somewhere they can live, provided they just adjust their

1209
01:00:32.400 --> 01:00:35.320
<v Speaker 1>air needs. And we're very, very lucky. And here we

1210
01:00:35.360 --> 01:00:38.400
<v Speaker 1>are fighting with each other, killing each other, and trying

1211
01:00:38.440 --> 01:00:41.639
<v Speaker 1>to blow up the whole planet. And even just the

1212
01:00:41.639 --> 01:00:44.039
<v Speaker 1>missiles that have been going off in the last month

1213
01:00:44.119 --> 01:00:48.239
<v Speaker 1>or so or two months, I think now with American

1214
01:00:48.559 --> 01:00:52.239
<v Speaker 1>Iran and the hooties in the Middle East, they're causing

1215
01:00:52.320 --> 01:00:56.960
<v Speaker 1>earthquakes and threatening tsunamis and all sorts of things. There

1216
01:00:57.039 --> 01:00:59.840
<v Speaker 1>was an earthquake just after all that mass lot of

1217
01:01:00.000 --> 01:01:04.039
<v Speaker 1>missiles went off last week, So they're really worried, and

1218
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.320
<v Speaker 1>the good plan. They've got a plan to take as

1219
01:01:07.360 --> 01:01:09.480
<v Speaker 1>many of us US and theirs as they can get

1220
01:01:09.480 --> 01:01:11.840
<v Speaker 1>off the planet if the nukes do go off. But

1221
01:01:12.400 --> 01:01:18.000
<v Speaker 1>you see, and here I haven't seen firsthand of incidents

1222
01:01:18.039 --> 01:01:21.880
<v Speaker 1>where a UFO comes in and blows some sort of

1223
01:01:21.920 --> 01:01:25.400
<v Speaker 1>blast at a missile going over to another country and

1224
01:01:25.440 --> 01:01:27.440
<v Speaker 1>they've they've thwartered it and stopped it.

1225
01:01:27.519 --> 01:01:29.440
<v Speaker 2>So I'm pretty sure they're watching.

1226
01:01:30.079 --> 01:01:32.920
<v Speaker 1>And I think I suspect or I don't know if

1227
01:01:32.960 --> 01:01:34.559
<v Speaker 1>I was told or it's just put it in my

1228
01:01:34.599 --> 01:01:37.320
<v Speaker 1>head for some reason that we think we've been here

1229
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:42.440
<v Speaker 1>thousands of years humans. No, Apparently we've destroyed the planet

1230
01:01:42.480 --> 01:01:44.679
<v Speaker 1>again and again and again, and each time there's a

1231
01:01:44.679 --> 01:01:47.599
<v Speaker 1>new Adam and Eve, a new human race, and it

1232
01:01:47.639 --> 01:01:51.239
<v Speaker 1>builds up all over again. And our DNA, we've only

1233
01:01:51.280 --> 01:01:53.880
<v Speaker 1>had DNA since well, only in the public.

1234
01:01:53.920 --> 01:01:56.440
<v Speaker 2>I think it was maybe the fifties. But we're in

1235
01:01:56.480 --> 01:01:56.880
<v Speaker 2>the public.

1236
01:01:56.880 --> 01:01:59.559
<v Speaker 1>We're only known about DNA since the late nineties. With

1237
01:01:59.639 --> 01:02:03.000
<v Speaker 1>all these my Heritage, Ancestory, dot Com, all of these sites,

1238
01:02:03.079 --> 01:02:05.440
<v Speaker 1>there's an awful lot of DNA available to the government

1239
01:02:05.440 --> 01:02:08.280
<v Speaker 1>to test, isn't there. So I guess there's a lot

1240
01:02:08.360 --> 01:02:10.840
<v Speaker 1>of alien DNA mixed in that, and the more advanced

1241
01:02:10.840 --> 01:02:12.599
<v Speaker 1>we get with their DNA testing, the more we're going

1242
01:02:12.639 --> 01:02:15.719
<v Speaker 1>to realize that this is true. But hindsight's a funny thing,

1243
01:02:15.760 --> 01:02:16.159
<v Speaker 1>isn't it.

1244
01:02:16.199 --> 01:02:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Isn't it just I didn't know this as I was

1245
01:02:18.440 --> 01:02:19.400
<v Speaker 2>going through it.

1246
01:02:19.480 --> 01:02:24.119
<v Speaker 3>All human beings are generally destructive, So Graham obviously gave

1247
01:02:24.119 --> 01:02:27.519
<v Speaker 3>you all these warnings. Yes, and obviously all the stuff

1248
01:02:27.519 --> 01:02:29.840
<v Speaker 3>which has happened in the world. I think only last

1249
01:02:29.920 --> 01:02:33.000
<v Speaker 3>night there was quite a big earthquake in Japan.

1250
01:02:33.079 --> 01:02:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Yes seven point seven, which I've been watching.

1251
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.159
<v Speaker 3>Do they ever say that they anything was to happen

1252
01:02:39.239 --> 01:02:40.920
<v Speaker 3>nuclear wise? Would they intervene?

1253
01:02:41.000 --> 01:02:43.119
<v Speaker 1>Well, they've said that they can't. Will have free will

1254
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:44.840
<v Speaker 1>all of us, don't we. I feel we all agree

1255
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:48.760
<v Speaker 1>with that. They can't stop us behaving that way, But

1256
01:02:48.800 --> 01:02:52.440
<v Speaker 1>they are stop intervening bombs going off, So yes, they

1257
01:02:52.480 --> 01:02:55.840
<v Speaker 1>will intervene if a new goes up, if they can,

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<v Speaker 1>But how many can they? People think there's some sort

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01:02:58.119 --> 01:03:00.599
<v Speaker 1>of gods or angels or spirits that it's not better

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01:03:00.599 --> 01:03:03.159
<v Speaker 1>equipment than us. So there's a limit to what they

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01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:06.440
<v Speaker 1>can do. But they've got like an evacuation plan and

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01:03:06.480 --> 01:03:08.280
<v Speaker 1>a whole lot of what I can only call ambulance

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01:03:08.280 --> 01:03:11.239
<v Speaker 1>ships ready to because it'll take about fifteen minutes to

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01:03:11.280 --> 01:03:16.360
<v Speaker 1>go from wherever the nuke goes off. It'll trigger tsunami's, earthquakes, whatever.

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01:03:16.519 --> 01:03:18.760
<v Speaker 1>All the way across the world is like a Domino's thing,

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01:03:19.119 --> 01:03:21.239
<v Speaker 1>and it's about fifteen minutes gets from one side to

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01:03:21.280 --> 01:03:23.800
<v Speaker 1>the other. So that's how long they've got to pick

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01:03:23.880 --> 01:03:27.239
<v Speaker 1>up a few people and keep their race and our

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01:03:27.320 --> 01:03:29.440
<v Speaker 1>race going. But let's hope it doesn't happen. They've said

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01:03:29.440 --> 01:03:31.519
<v Speaker 1>it doesn't have to happen, but they've got a plan

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01:03:31.679 --> 01:03:33.559
<v Speaker 1>because we're all idiots down here.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a good way of putting in here.

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly.

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<v Speaker 3>You mentioned other abductees, other people that were aboard the

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01:03:40.519 --> 01:03:41.880
<v Speaker 3>ships that you've met.

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01:03:42.320 --> 01:03:45.440
<v Speaker 1>You've made contact with them, Yeah, well they've made contact

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01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.159
<v Speaker 1>with me because they saw me on an interview.

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<v Speaker 2>Otherwise we wouldn't have known about each other. That's right,

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<v Speaker 2>I have.

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<v Speaker 1>There's only three, the same three, which is not that many.

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01:03:51.800 --> 01:03:53.280
<v Speaker 1>A lot of people say to me, I think I

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01:03:53.280 --> 01:03:55.320
<v Speaker 1>remember seeing you. I go, okay, that's fine, but there's

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01:03:55.320 --> 01:03:57.679
<v Speaker 1>only three that we remember each other, and one of

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01:03:57.719 --> 01:04:01.320
<v Speaker 1>them's overseas. Couldn't We never possibly have met, and we've

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01:04:01.400 --> 01:04:04.039
<v Speaker 1>kept in touch and she just saw an interview and

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01:04:04.039 --> 01:04:08.280
<v Speaker 1>then went our MBU. Right. Really clearly, that's just great

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01:04:08.679 --> 01:04:11.679
<v Speaker 1>when you've got multiple witnesses to the same thing, because

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01:04:12.159 --> 01:04:15.159
<v Speaker 1>if people want to argue psychosis, you don't have two

1289
01:04:15.199 --> 01:04:18.360
<v Speaker 1>people having the same hallucination. It just doesn't work that way,

1290
01:04:19.039 --> 01:04:21.599
<v Speaker 1>different brains. So it's not it had to be a

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01:04:21.639 --> 01:04:24.719
<v Speaker 1>real event. Whether it's explained that way or another way,

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01:04:24.719 --> 01:04:25.840
<v Speaker 1>it still actually happened.

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01:04:26.400 --> 01:04:29.639
<v Speaker 3>So you mentioned there was several people that you've seen

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01:04:29.840 --> 01:04:32.760
<v Speaker 3>aboard these ships, So there could be a lot of

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01:04:32.760 --> 01:04:36.440
<v Speaker 3>people out there which maybe don't have any memories of

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01:04:36.519 --> 01:04:40.480
<v Speaker 3>these experiences, or they have some memories but they don't

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01:04:40.880 --> 01:04:43.599
<v Speaker 3>share it. So there could be many many people.

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<v Speaker 1>Are because I'll talk to you online or messenger, but

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01:04:45.599 --> 01:04:48.199
<v Speaker 1>they won't talk publicly. And I have a reputation for

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01:04:48.239 --> 01:04:51.400
<v Speaker 1>never betraying anybody's confidences. There are there's a lot of

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01:04:51.440 --> 01:04:53.400
<v Speaker 1>people remember but don't want anyone else to know.

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01:04:54.119 --> 01:04:56.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, of course, Yeah, we feel the same on this

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01:04:56.159 --> 01:04:56.840
<v Speaker 3>show as well.

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01:04:57.079 --> 01:04:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so that's true.

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01:04:58.039 --> 01:05:00.119
<v Speaker 1>But it's a shame because of everybody that had the

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01:05:00.159 --> 01:05:02.599
<v Speaker 1>experience has spoke out, they'd be very little doubt, very

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01:05:02.639 --> 01:05:03.199
<v Speaker 1>little date.

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01:05:03.840 --> 01:05:06.519
<v Speaker 3>So a lot of people it's in time, when it's

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01:05:06.559 --> 01:05:07.199
<v Speaker 3>the right time.

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01:05:07.519 --> 01:05:09.639
<v Speaker 1>Well I think I'll be long gone, but it doesn't matter.

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01:05:09.679 --> 01:05:13.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm starting something and other people can take the beton.

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01:05:13.400 --> 01:05:15.920
<v Speaker 1>That's the other thing. Egos. People want to be the

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01:05:15.960 --> 01:05:18.400
<v Speaker 1>top dog, the one that knows the most, the one

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01:05:18.440 --> 01:05:20.559
<v Speaker 1>that can. I mean I very often say I don't

1315
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:22.400
<v Speaker 1>know or I didn't ask. They want to be the

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01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.920
<v Speaker 1>lead researcher, the lead abductee, and they don't want anybody

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01:05:25.920 --> 01:05:26.880
<v Speaker 1>else's story to come out.

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01:05:26.920 --> 01:05:27.800
<v Speaker 2>And it's not like that.

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01:05:27.880 --> 01:05:30.000
<v Speaker 1>We need all of the stories to come out, and

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01:05:30.039 --> 01:05:32.199
<v Speaker 1>we need to work together as the human race, not

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01:05:32.239 --> 01:05:35.320
<v Speaker 1>an individual person. I'm sorry if that sounds a little altruistic,

1322
01:05:35.400 --> 01:05:37.039
<v Speaker 1>but I think that's sound.

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01:05:37.119 --> 01:05:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Feel that's the way it should be. Unfortunately, there are

1324
01:05:41.159 --> 01:05:44.360
<v Speaker 3>people out there which are like that. Yeah, see, you

1325
01:05:44.400 --> 01:05:46.599
<v Speaker 3>certainly see in this field for sure a lot of

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01:05:46.599 --> 01:05:49.800
<v Speaker 3>people having these experiences. So we need to get rid

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01:05:49.840 --> 01:05:52.920
<v Speaker 3>of those barriers which are holding people back. So, Jane,

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01:05:52.920 --> 01:05:56.000
<v Speaker 3>what advice would you have for anyone listening out there

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01:05:56.039 --> 01:05:59.920
<v Speaker 3>which you've had experiences very similar to yours, have had

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01:06:00.280 --> 01:06:03.639
<v Speaker 3>problems adjusting to what they believers happened to them.

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01:06:04.079 --> 01:06:07.679
<v Speaker 1>I would say, we have an internet, now find other

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01:06:07.719 --> 01:06:11.000
<v Speaker 1>abjuctees and talk to them the details. Everybody's belief system

1333
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:14.320
<v Speaker 1>is different, everybody's perception is different, but they are key

1334
01:06:14.400 --> 01:06:17.440
<v Speaker 1>details that match. That's the biggest healer. The other one

1335
01:06:17.519 --> 01:06:20.360
<v Speaker 1>is do what I made myself do. Write your snippets

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01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:23.039
<v Speaker 1>of memories down and put them in chronological order and

1337
01:06:23.039 --> 01:06:25.360
<v Speaker 1>see what you get. Mightn't work for you, but it might.

1338
01:06:25.719 --> 01:06:28.480
<v Speaker 1>And if you talk to other people, if you can

1339
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.000
<v Speaker 1>talk to other people with that are abductees, you're pretty

1340
01:06:31.000 --> 01:06:34.320
<v Speaker 1>well healed because you go see not just me, or

1341
01:06:34.840 --> 01:06:37.239
<v Speaker 1>find the evidence, even if it's not for anybody else,

1342
01:06:37.440 --> 01:06:41.400
<v Speaker 1>like police reports. You know, for that body story that

1343
01:06:41.480 --> 01:06:45.079
<v Speaker 1>I told, try and get other witnesses that saw the

1344
01:06:45.480 --> 01:06:48.199
<v Speaker 1>alien spaceship with you. You're not going to give it

1345
01:06:48.199 --> 01:06:49.840
<v Speaker 1>to anyone or do anything with it, but it's going

1346
01:06:49.880 --> 01:06:52.320
<v Speaker 1>to heal you because you're going to realize that if

1347
01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:55.039
<v Speaker 1>not just you saw it, then it's probably true. And

1348
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.480
<v Speaker 1>I think the human problem, they very human problem, is

1349
01:06:58.519 --> 01:07:01.719
<v Speaker 1>when something too is too scary, we just go bang denial,

1350
01:07:02.440 --> 01:07:04.599
<v Speaker 1>can't cope, don't want to remember, don't want to face.

1351
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:07.760
<v Speaker 1>I just didn't want to deal with a grief anymore

1352
01:07:08.280 --> 01:07:11.480
<v Speaker 1>and wanted to be okay with it. So I just

1353
01:07:11.519 --> 01:07:13.440
<v Speaker 1>made myself and that's what I did.

1354
01:07:13.519 --> 01:07:14.519
<v Speaker 2>So find the guts.

1355
01:07:14.599 --> 01:07:16.320
<v Speaker 1>You don't have to give your name or tell the public,

1356
01:07:16.360 --> 01:07:19.400
<v Speaker 1>but find the guts to put it all down, tell

1357
01:07:19.440 --> 01:07:22.159
<v Speaker 1>a trusted friend. There are plenty of people that don't

1358
01:07:22.159 --> 01:07:25.800
<v Speaker 1>believe me. That's their problem, and that's what you're doing.

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01:07:26.599 --> 01:07:28.400
<v Speaker 1>We'll probably find the same, but you'll find more do

1360
01:07:28.559 --> 01:07:30.800
<v Speaker 1>than don't. I mean, I had friend ring me up

1361
01:07:30.800 --> 01:07:32.400
<v Speaker 1>that I've known for years the other day and say,

1362
01:07:32.400 --> 01:07:34.119
<v Speaker 1>I finally read your book. It's been sitting there in

1363
01:07:34.159 --> 01:07:36.000
<v Speaker 1>my study and I had a clean up. And he

1364
01:07:36.039 --> 01:07:39.159
<v Speaker 1>didn't believe in the whole thing, doesn't believe in God,

1365
01:07:39.239 --> 01:07:42.360
<v Speaker 1>doesn't believe in aliens. That's fine, I'm always need to

1366
01:07:42.360 --> 01:07:45.400
<v Speaker 1>agree with me to be my friend. And he said,

1367
01:07:45.400 --> 01:07:47.079
<v Speaker 1>I read your book, and he said, you know what,

1368
01:07:47.199 --> 01:07:50.719
<v Speaker 1>I believe you and I know you, and I don't

1369
01:07:50.719 --> 01:07:54.760
<v Speaker 1>know if I can cope with this. So stuff like that.

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01:07:55.199 --> 01:07:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Other people, you know, don't go for being famous, just

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01:07:58.760 --> 01:08:01.880
<v Speaker 1>don't just go for healing yourself and other people. And

1372
01:08:02.519 --> 01:08:04.480
<v Speaker 1>you think I thought I was out there trying to

1373
01:08:04.480 --> 01:08:07.360
<v Speaker 1>help other abductees. I only need to discover I was

1374
01:08:07.400 --> 01:08:10.880
<v Speaker 1>accidentally helping myself. So try and help other people.

1375
01:08:11.400 --> 01:08:13.800
<v Speaker 3>That's what it's all about. And you know, sharing these

1376
01:08:13.840 --> 01:08:17.000
<v Speaker 3>accounts it's liberating, and it's not just liberating for the guest,

1377
01:08:17.520 --> 01:08:19.720
<v Speaker 3>the people listening out there. Jane, you're going to be

1378
01:08:19.760 --> 01:08:23.399
<v Speaker 3>helping other people. Just helps one person and that's you know,

1379
01:08:23.720 --> 01:08:24.479
<v Speaker 3>that's job.

1380
01:08:24.279 --> 01:08:27.600
<v Speaker 1>Done actly, just one person, and then that one person

1381
01:08:27.640 --> 01:08:29.760
<v Speaker 1>helps another person pass it on.

1382
01:08:30.399 --> 01:08:32.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, So that's the.

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01:08:32.239 --> 01:08:35.479
<v Speaker 1>Reason I'm still going, even though I've had positive and

1384
01:08:35.560 --> 01:08:37.199
<v Speaker 1>negative feedback from people.

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01:08:37.880 --> 01:08:40.760
<v Speaker 3>Wow, you know you're always going to get that for sure.

1386
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:45.239
<v Speaker 3>You never please everyone, Jane. So no, Now to our listeners,

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01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:48.159
<v Speaker 3>I met Jane quite actually, quite a while ago via

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01:08:48.239 --> 01:08:52.760
<v Speaker 3>a Facebook page. It's the same name, it's Humanian. And

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01:08:52.840 --> 01:08:55.279
<v Speaker 3>what I'll do is I will put links down below

1390
01:08:55.279 --> 01:08:58.239
<v Speaker 3>this episode and on the website. So certainly if you

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01:08:58.279 --> 01:09:02.119
<v Speaker 3>want to learn more about Jane's experiences and maybe, you know,

1392
01:09:02.199 --> 01:09:05.119
<v Speaker 3>maybe help yourself along the way, I will put Jane's

1393
01:09:05.319 --> 01:09:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Facebook for the page down below and links to her books.

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01:09:10.039 --> 01:09:13.039
<v Speaker 1>If anyone wants to ask me questions, join the Facebook page.

1395
01:09:13.079 --> 01:09:15.079
<v Speaker 1>I'll do my best to keep up, I promise to

1396
01:09:15.079 --> 01:09:17.359
<v Speaker 1>answer all questions as I can, but not to be

1397
01:09:17.439 --> 01:09:20.680
<v Speaker 1>rude and ignore you. And the people that I mentioned

1398
01:09:21.279 --> 01:09:23.720
<v Speaker 1>that we saw each other ships are on that page.

1399
01:09:24.039 --> 01:09:25.920
<v Speaker 1>So are a number of other witnesses. They just won't

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01:09:25.960 --> 01:09:28.600
<v Speaker 1>say who they are that they often chime in and

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01:09:28.680 --> 01:09:30.640
<v Speaker 1>know something, and I wouldn't have them on there if

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01:09:30.640 --> 01:09:31.159
<v Speaker 1>they won't turn it.

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01:09:31.279 --> 01:09:33.359
<v Speaker 2>So it's all legit, so it's helpful.

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01:09:33.600 --> 01:09:36.239
<v Speaker 3>It's helpful. But yeah, to our listeners, I will put

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01:09:36.319 --> 01:09:39.439
<v Speaker 3>all Jane's links down for the It is a private page,

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01:09:39.560 --> 01:09:42.039
<v Speaker 3>so I'll put that link below and the link to

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01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:46.239
<v Speaker 3>Jane's book so you can certainly check her out.

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01:09:46.760 --> 01:09:49.880
<v Speaker 2>Okay, thank you. Get to know you. That's nuts.

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01:09:49.920 --> 01:09:52.720
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely. You know, we've been talking for quite a while

1410
01:09:52.720 --> 01:09:54.720
<v Speaker 3>and we've finally got the chance to get you on,

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01:09:54.760 --> 01:09:55.680
<v Speaker 3>which is wonderful.

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01:09:55.800 --> 01:09:56.920
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I am sorry.

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01:09:56.920 --> 01:09:59.359
<v Speaker 3>That was my fault. Don't be silly. You wouldn't be

1414
01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:02.560
<v Speaker 3>the first. Just when people are ready, Jane, I really

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01:10:02.600 --> 01:10:04.920
<v Speaker 3>appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

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01:10:05.279 --> 01:10:07.399
<v Speaker 2>Thanks, Nick, I appreciate you listening.

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01:10:07.960 --> 01:10:11.760
<v Speaker 3>Please please keep me contact Jane okay, yesto, Yeah, we

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01:10:11.800 --> 01:10:16.680
<v Speaker 3>will speak soon. Okay, okay, thanks bye, okay bye for now. Jane. Well,

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01:10:16.840 --> 01:10:20.159
<v Speaker 3>that is all for this episode. Keep updated and connected

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01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:23.600
<v Speaker 3>with the show on x Facebook and Instagram. And if

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01:10:23.600 --> 01:10:25.680
<v Speaker 3>you have an encounter that you'd like to share on

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01:10:25.720 --> 01:10:29.800
<v Speaker 3>the podcast, you can email me at UFO Chronicles at

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01:10:30.000 --> 01:10:32.760
<v Speaker 3>gmail dot com, or you can reach out to me

1424
01:10:32.880 --> 01:10:37.399
<v Speaker 3>via the contact page on my website UFO Chronicles podcast

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01:10:37.520 --> 01:10:40.800
<v Speaker 3>dot com. A big thank you to Jane for sharing tonight,

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01:10:41.000 --> 01:10:43.920
<v Speaker 3>and thank you all for listening. I will be back

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<v Speaker 3>next week. Till then, stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,
