1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,919 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling threads, where we pull on the most 2 00:00:02,960 --> 00:00:06,320 provocative strands of information we can find, offering you the 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,240 shortcut to being the most well informed person in the room. 4 00:00:09,519 --> 00:00:12,919 Speaker 2: And today we are casting off the mooring lines and 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:17,399 heading straight into the ultimate existential question, are we alone? 6 00:00:17,519 --> 00:00:20,239 Speaker 1: Right? And for years this whole conversation, it's always been 7 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:23,039 about the skies, UAP's UFOs. 8 00:00:22,679 --> 00:00:26,800 Speaker 2: Exactly, But the startling claim we're synthesizing today it just 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:31,719 completely ships the focus. The deepest, most enduring secrets about 10 00:00:31,719 --> 00:00:34,719 non human intelligence. Well, they might not be above. 11 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,679 Speaker 1: Us at all, They might be right beneath. 12 00:00:36,359 --> 00:00:38,799 Speaker 2: Us, right beneath our feet in the oceans. 13 00:00:38,880 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Our exploration today centers on a really comprehensive investigation. 14 00:00:43,679 --> 00:00:46,280 We're looking at sources like the report Ross Coulthart put 15 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,439 together on News Nation, which focuses squarely on unidentified submerged 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:52,000 objects or USOS. 17 00:00:52,159 --> 00:00:54,200 Speaker 2: And you really need to understand the premise right out 18 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:57,759 of the gate here. The claims are they're profound. We're 19 00:00:57,759 --> 00:01:00,960 dealing with these allegations that if the Erican public knew 20 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:03,880 how deep this lie went, we would potentially have a 21 00:01:03,960 --> 00:01:05,599 national crisis on our hands. 22 00:01:05,840 --> 00:01:09,040 Speaker 1: That's a huge statement, and it really provides the frame 23 00:01:09,079 --> 00:01:12,480 for our mission today. We're taking the extraordinary claims from 24 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:14,640 this investigative work and we're going to break them down 25 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:14,920 for you. 26 00:01:15,120 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, our sources, they've compiled testimony and data well from everyone, 27 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:24,519 deep dive explorers, a sitting US congressman. 28 00:01:24,159 --> 00:01:28,120 Speaker 1: A former rear admiral who's an expert in oceanography. 29 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:31,159 Speaker 2: And highly credible eyewitnesses. So we're here to navigate those 30 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:33,560 threads for you, give you the full context of what's 31 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:34,319 being claimed. 32 00:01:34,599 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 1: And our mission isn't just to repeat the claims. We 33 00:01:36,879 --> 00:01:40,799 want to analyze what they mean. We're covering this immense scope, 34 00:01:41,079 --> 00:01:44,319 both geographically and technologically. 35 00:01:43,560 --> 00:01:46,480 Speaker 2: From the freezing depths of the Baltic Sea all the way. 36 00:01:46,359 --> 00:01:48,920 Speaker 1: To the warm, hyperactive trenches right off the coast of 37 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:52,799 southern California. We'll be talking about objects moving at well 38 00:01:53,239 --> 00:01:57,799 impossible speeds, evidence of governmental secrecy, and this is the 39 00:01:57,879 --> 00:02:01,400 really weird part. Technical equipment that just fails in these 40 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:03,560 very specific, localized ways. 41 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 2: Okay, let's unpack this, let's do it, and maybe let's 42 00:02:06,159 --> 00:02:09,960 just establish the fundamental context here. First, seventy percent of 43 00:02:10,039 --> 00:02:12,840 the Earth's surface is covered by water. Right, we have 44 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:15,080 better maps of Mars than we do of our own 45 00:02:15,159 --> 00:02:17,919 ocean floor. I mean, think about that. 46 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:18,479 Speaker 1: That's wild. 47 00:02:18,560 --> 00:02:22,039 Speaker 2: It is we've explored, in any kind of detail less 48 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:26,599 than five percent of the global ocean volume. So if 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:29,840 you were a non human intelligence and you were looking 50 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:32,039 for the perfect spot to set up shop. 51 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: The place it's globally accessible but completely. 52 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:38,439 Speaker 2: Hidden, exactly a place free from human disturbance and detection. 53 00:02:39,280 --> 00:02:43,439 The oceans provide that perfect vast wilderness. They hold the 54 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:46,360 key to remaining undetected, and that is where we have 55 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:47,560 to start directing our attention. 56 00:02:47,719 --> 00:02:49,879 Speaker 1: So we begin our investigation way up north in the 57 00:02:49,919 --> 00:02:53,280 cold dark waters of the Baltic Sea with an accidental discovery. 58 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:57,199 That is, since I mean it's completely polarized scientists explores 59 00:02:57,280 --> 00:03:00,360 the public the Baltic Sea Anomaly or BSA. 60 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:03,159 Speaker 2: And this story it doesn't start with fringe theorists. It 61 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:08,159 starts with professional commercial explorers, right, specifically a man named 62 00:03:08,159 --> 00:03:12,400 Dennis Asberg. He's a Swedish deep dive explorer, co founder 63 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:15,520 of the ocean X team. Their reputation is built on 64 00:03:15,599 --> 00:03:18,479 finding historical shipwrecks salvaging cargo. 65 00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: So these guys know what they're doing. They're not amateurs, 66 00:03:20,840 --> 00:03:21,360 not at all. 67 00:03:21,439 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 2: They are experts in their domain. They know what the 68 00:03:23,840 --> 00:03:25,159 ocean floor is supposed to look like. 69 00:03:25,280 --> 00:03:27,719 Speaker 1: And the discovery itself was Yeah, it was an accident. 70 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,800 Happened back in June of twenty eleven. 71 00:03:30,000 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, Asberg and his team they were just doing routine 72 00:03:33,360 --> 00:03:37,120 deep scans of the ocean floor looking for potential res 73 00:03:37,199 --> 00:03:39,960 and then about two and a half hours into the scan, 74 00:03:40,599 --> 00:03:44,319 something massive and just unnatural appears on their monitor. 75 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: I think I remember him saying his colleague Peter just 76 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:49,639 looked at the screen and said, Dennis, you know here, 77 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:50,360 it's a UFO. 78 00:03:50,599 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 2: That's it. That immediate reaction, it just underscores how strange 79 00:03:54,360 --> 00:03:55,120 this thing looked. 80 00:03:55,319 --> 00:03:56,159 Speaker 1: So what did it look like? 81 00:03:56,439 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 2: Well, the BSA is described in the sources as this massive, circular, 82 00:04:00,240 --> 00:04:03,680 sort of disc shaped underwater formation. It's about two hundred 83 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:06,000 feet wide, just sitting there on the ocean floor near 84 00:04:06,039 --> 00:04:07,960 the border regions of Russia and Finland. 85 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: Two hundred feet so we're talking about the size of 86 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:10,879 a jumbo jet. 87 00:04:11,080 --> 00:04:15,039 Speaker 2: We are. It's enormous, and instantly, of course, the controversy 88 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:16,240 just explodes. 89 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,079 Speaker 1: Right because the debunkers immediately jumped on it. 90 00:04:18,199 --> 00:04:20,759 Speaker 2: Of course, they argued it had to be a natural 91 00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:24,360 rock formation, maybe a glacial deposit left over from the 92 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:26,360 ice age, which you know is common in that part 93 00:04:26,399 --> 00:04:26,879 of the world. 94 00:04:27,079 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: But Asberg's team they just weren't buying it. 95 00:04:29,439 --> 00:04:33,879 Speaker 2: No, they've vehemently insisted on its anomalous nature, and they 96 00:04:33,879 --> 00:04:38,160 point to its geometry. It has these extremely unusual, almost 97 00:04:38,199 --> 00:04:43,319 manufactured looking straight lines and right angles features that are well, 98 00:04:43,399 --> 00:04:45,439 they're highly unusual in natural geology. 99 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:48,160 Speaker 1: And what's really compelling here is Asberg's perspective. You know, 100 00:04:48,240 --> 00:04:50,199 as a seasoned professional. They asked him if it's just 101 00:04:50,240 --> 00:04:52,879 a big lump of rock, and his response was something like, 102 00:04:53,120 --> 00:04:55,319 this is a very interesting rock and. 103 00:04:55,240 --> 00:04:57,959 Speaker 2: One that neither he nor his colleagues who explore all 104 00:04:58,000 --> 00:04:59,560 over the world had ever seen before. 105 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:03,079 Speaker 1: So what he's emphasizing there is that, yeah, the sea 106 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,000 floor is full of strange shapes, but even among his 107 00:05:06,079 --> 00:05:10,439 professional peers, nobody has ever found a natural formation with 108 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,319 this specific, almost engineered geometry. 109 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:18,519 Speaker 2: The shape just doesn't fit with any known geological processes 110 00:05:18,560 --> 00:05:19,560 in the Baltic region. 111 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: But the shape is really only half the mystery, isn't 112 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:27,040 it The true core of the BSA enigma is in 113 00:05:26,199 --> 00:05:28,480 the technological disruptions. 114 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 2: Yes, the things the ocean X team experienced every single 115 00:05:32,319 --> 00:05:34,839 time they got close to the object. We're talking about 116 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:38,279 specific repeated failures of sophisticated equipment. 117 00:05:38,399 --> 00:05:41,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, the source material meticulously documents all of this. They 118 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:45,040 had multiple issues with their radar systems when they position 119 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:46,879 their boat directly over the anomaly. 120 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,519 Speaker 2: Right, specifically, these phantom ships appeared on their radar screen 121 00:05:51,879 --> 00:05:55,399 signals that indicated physical vessels where there was nothing there. 122 00:05:55,560 --> 00:05:58,519 Speaker 1: And Asberg confirmed, these phantom signals were only visible right 123 00:05:58,560 --> 00:05:59,319 over the anomaly. 124 00:05:59,680 --> 00:06:02,480 Speaker 2: Correct, they didn't move away, they were just these persistent 125 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,560 false signatures, a classic sign of electronic interference. 126 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:07,439 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the surface, But then you get to 127 00:06:07,519 --> 00:06:10,040 the equipment they actually put in the water, the ROV, 128 00:06:10,079 --> 00:06:11,680 the remote operated vehicle. 129 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:14,519 Speaker 2: And the moment that ROV got near the BSA, the 130 00:06:14,519 --> 00:06:18,319 failure started happening, and in a very localized systemic way. 131 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,079 Speaker 1: So what failed everything? 132 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,519 Speaker 2: Asbird noted, the ROV malfunction completely. The camera just stopped working, 133 00:06:24,759 --> 00:06:27,920 the lights went out, and maybe the most crucial piece 134 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,240 of data here, the compass did not work properly. The compass, 135 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:35,480 the magnetic compass was giving wildly inaccurate readings. It was 136 00:06:35,519 --> 00:06:40,519 just spinning, which indicates a very strong, very localized magnetic 137 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:44,199 or electromagnetic field disturbance. That was just overwhelming the vehicle's 138 00:06:44,279 --> 00:06:45,160 navigational tool. 139 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: I have to stop you there, because why is the 140 00:06:47,680 --> 00:06:51,519 compass failure the most telling detail? A camera dying? I mean, 141 00:06:51,519 --> 00:06:53,639 that could be a short circuit from water pressure or something. 142 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:54,639 Right that happens. 143 00:06:54,720 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 2: That is an excellent point, and it really focuses the synthesis. 144 00:06:57,879 --> 00:06:59,879 If the camera or the lights fail, that's a hard 145 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,720 war failure. It could be anything. But if the compass fails, 146 00:07:03,319 --> 00:07:08,079 that suggests a profound, localized interference with the Earth's natural 147 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:09,839 magnetic field or the. 148 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 1: Creation of a massive artificial field by the object itself. 149 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:16,199 Speaker 2: Precisely, the fact that all these equipment failures were so localized, 150 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,000 so systemic, and included critical navigational tools, it suggests an 151 00:07:20,040 --> 00:07:21,319 active zone of deterrence. 152 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,680 Speaker 1: Asberg put it best in me, he said, it feels 153 00:07:24,759 --> 00:07:28,439 like this thing or whatever it is, don't want us to. 154 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,639 Speaker 2: Come near it exactly, And that changes the conversation completely. 155 00:07:31,639 --> 00:07:34,079 It's one thing to see a strange two hundred foot 156 00:07:34,120 --> 00:07:37,399 diss on the seabed and argue, oh, it's just a rock. 157 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:41,439 Speaker 1: It's another thing entirely. When that rock actively kills your compass, 158 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:44,759 messes with your radar, and shuts down your rov every 159 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:45,920 single time you approach it. 160 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 2: That moves it from a simple geological curiosity to well 161 00:07:50,279 --> 00:07:54,079 to a non natural structure that is actively, maybe even defensively, 162 00:07:54,319 --> 00:07:57,160 emitting a powerful localized field. 163 00:07:57,319 --> 00:08:00,879 Speaker 1: Okay, So if the Baltic Sea anomaly provide the physical 164 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:04,879 evidence of this localized underwater strangeness. 165 00:08:04,319 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 2: Then the political context provides the alarming framework for why 166 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:09,439 this information might have been suppressed and why the military 167 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:10,800 is now paying very close attention. 168 00:08:11,000 --> 00:08:12,759 Speaker 1: And that takes us cross the Atlantic to the halls 169 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:14,680 of Congress and Congressman timber chat Right. 170 00:08:14,839 --> 00:08:18,199 Speaker 2: Birchett has become one of the most visible, most vocal 171 00:08:18,279 --> 00:08:22,040 voices in Congress pushing for transparency on UAPs and USOS. 172 00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:26,279 Speaker 1: He's identified in our sources as a just an open 173 00:08:26,319 --> 00:08:30,199 skeptic of the official US government position. He's not buying 174 00:08:30,199 --> 00:08:32,360 the idea that all these sightings are just whether balloons 175 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:32,960 or hoaxes. 176 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:35,919 Speaker 2: No, and his dedication is formalized by his role as 177 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,840 co chair of the bipartisan UAP caucus he launched that 178 00:08:39,879 --> 00:08:43,360 effort specifically to follow up on the extraordinary claims from 179 00:08:43,360 --> 00:08:48,399 whistleblowers like David Grush the crash retrieval progress exactly and critically, 180 00:08:48,519 --> 00:08:52,240 He's focused on strengthening whistleblower protections, which tells you he 181 00:08:52,320 --> 00:08:55,240 firmly believes there is more information waiting to be disclosed. 182 00:08:55,720 --> 00:09:00,879 Speaker 1: People know things, and his specific interest in USOS it 183 00:09:00,919 --> 00:09:02,840 didn't start with things coming out of the water. It 184 00:09:02,879 --> 00:09:03,919 started with pilots. 185 00:09:04,120 --> 00:09:07,919 Speaker 2: Yes. He noted that in his conversations, pilots kept mentioning 186 00:09:07,919 --> 00:09:10,919 that the sightings, the really high strangeness events almost always 187 00:09:10,919 --> 00:09:12,720 seemed to happen over or near water. 188 00:09:13,039 --> 00:09:15,799 Speaker 1: That correlation led him to a chance conversation with a 189 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:19,799 retired admiral about what was it five or six deep 190 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:20,559 water areas? 191 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 2: Yes, and these areas seem to correlate precisely with the 192 00:09:23,279 --> 00:09:25,440 frequency of these very strange observations. 193 00:09:25,720 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: Wait, I have to ask five or six spaces. That 194 00:09:29,200 --> 00:09:32,320 sounds like the kind of specific, almost mythological detail that 195 00:09:32,360 --> 00:09:35,519 should make us a little skeptical. Did Burchett clarify where 196 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:36,559 that number came from. 197 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,759 Speaker 2: That's a crucial question, and he was quite specific. He 198 00:09:39,799 --> 00:09:43,320 stated that the number came directly from some Navy officials 199 00:09:43,360 --> 00:09:45,919 that had in fact broached that subject. 200 00:09:45,600 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: With him, so multiple sources. 201 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:51,120 Speaker 2: He presented it as information he'd gleaned from internal sources 202 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:55,240 who had specialized knowledge of these anomalous high frequency zones. 203 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:58,840 The consistency of that detail suggests it's rooted in some 204 00:09:58,919 --> 00:10:02,279 kind of internal observ or tracking, even if the government 205 00:10:02,279 --> 00:10:04,440 denies the interpretation of them as bases. 206 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so assuming there is data tracking these zones. The 207 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:13,039 most astonishing claim Burchet presents about usos is their speed, 208 00:10:13,279 --> 00:10:14,960 their velocity underwater. 209 00:10:15,039 --> 00:10:17,799 Speaker 2: Yeah. He discusses reports that claim objects have been detected 210 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,399 moving at speeds of two hundred miles per hour underwater. 211 00:10:20,480 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: Two hundred. 212 00:10:21,039 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: Here's where it gets a really interesting because we have 213 00:10:23,279 --> 00:10:26,120 to put that claimed two hundred mile hour speed into 214 00:10:26,159 --> 00:10:29,240 a tangible context for you. The source material notes that 215 00:10:29,279 --> 00:10:33,320 our fastest most advanced conventional human technology for underwater movement, 216 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,519 our torpedoes, are submersibles. We're limited to speeds around thirty 217 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,480 mile per hour, maybe a little higher in short bursts. 218 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 1: So two hundred miles per hour, that's just yeah, it's 219 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:48,159 fundamentally impossible with our current understanding of hydrodynamics. 220 00:10:47,399 --> 00:10:51,480 Speaker 2: Totally to really grasp that friction. Can you break down 221 00:10:51,480 --> 00:10:54,279 the analogy they used in the source? It was incredibly powerful. 222 00:10:54,360 --> 00:10:56,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, Burchet used the analogy of shooting a bullet. When 223 00:10:56,519 --> 00:10:58,240 you shoot a bullet through the air, it can travel 224 00:10:58,279 --> 00:11:02,159 a mile, maybe morecause their resistance is relatively minimal. But 225 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:04,360 if you try to shoot that exact same bullet into 226 00:11:04,399 --> 00:11:07,799 a swimming pool, it'll travel just a few feet before 227 00:11:07,840 --> 00:11:11,559 the immense hydrodynamic drag of the water just brings it 228 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,720 to a complete stop. Water is exponentially denser. It exerts 229 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:17,120 this immense force. 230 00:11:16,879 --> 00:11:19,120 Speaker 2: The force required to maintain two hundred miles an hour 231 00:11:19,200 --> 00:11:22,600 underwater with that kind of friction, it's almost incomprehensible. It 232 00:11:22,600 --> 00:11:25,960 would tear apart any conventional metal structure we could build. 233 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: And the energy source required would have to be far 234 00:11:28,399 --> 00:11:31,080 beyond anything we currently possess. 235 00:11:31,039 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 2: Which leads us directly to the concept of supercavitation. 236 00:11:34,799 --> 00:11:36,600 Speaker 1: Right our own attempt at this it's our. 237 00:11:36,600 --> 00:11:40,799 Speaker 2: Own advanced, but very limited method of mitigating that drag. 238 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:44,600 It involves creating a massive gas bubble around a submerged object, 239 00:11:44,759 --> 00:11:48,279 allowing it to move faster by well by essentially traveling 240 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:49,600 through air instead of water. 241 00:11:49,759 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 1: But even with supercavitation, we're still dramatically limited in speed 242 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:57,000 and maybe more importantly, maneuverability. 243 00:11:57,200 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 2: Exactly, for something to move at two hundred mile para 244 00:12:00,519 --> 00:12:03,879 and then execute these rapid tight terms as usos are 245 00:12:03,879 --> 00:12:07,039 often reported to do, it requires not just mitigating drag, 246 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,240 but eliminating it. It suggests a propulsion technology that uses 247 00:12:11,279 --> 00:12:14,720 field manipulation or maybe some form of anti gravity, something 248 00:12:14,759 --> 00:12:18,519 that radically alters the space or the water around the object. 249 00:12:18,279 --> 00:12:20,919 Speaker 1: That gap two hundred mills para versus our thirty nine 250 00:12:20,919 --> 00:12:23,679 per hour limit. That's the most definitive proof of non 251 00:12:23,759 --> 00:12:25,279 human technology right there. 252 00:12:25,159 --> 00:12:27,799 Speaker 2: And this impossible physics. It leads directly back to the 253 00:12:27,879 --> 00:12:30,559 underwater basis theory. If they can move at these speeds 254 00:12:30,759 --> 00:12:32,600 use propulsion systems we don't. 255 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:35,519 Speaker 1: Understand, the logical conclusion is that they're operating from a 256 00:12:35,519 --> 00:12:38,120 location that facilitates all this exactly. 257 00:12:38,519 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 2: Burchet suggests these non human entities are using the vastness 258 00:12:42,159 --> 00:12:45,000 and the unexplored nature of the ocean to remain undisturbed, 259 00:12:45,240 --> 00:12:49,159 operating outside of the heavy shipping lanes or military surveillance zones. 260 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:52,720 Speaker 1: He said the concentration of sightings over water just made 261 00:12:52,759 --> 00:12:56,240 the concept of established basis a necessity for any kind 262 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:58,240 of sustained operations. 263 00:12:57,879 --> 00:13:00,840 Speaker 2: And his conclusion about why the government is so intent 264 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:05,240 on maintaining the secrecy is well, it's probably the most 265 00:13:05,279 --> 00:13:07,799 politically damning statement in the entire report. 266 00:13:08,039 --> 00:13:10,759 Speaker 1: When he was asked directly if you believe the government 267 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,840 was lying to the American people. 268 00:13:12,679 --> 00:13:16,519 Speaker 2: His response was crystal clear, Yes, sir, I do. He argues, 269 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:19,679 the secrecy isn't fundamentally about the technology itself, although that's 270 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,840 a factor. It's about power and. 271 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 1: Control and maintaining secrecy over global governments. 272 00:13:24,919 --> 00:13:28,720 Speaker 2: Yes, the ability to control this extraordinary knowledge and the 273 00:13:28,799 --> 00:13:33,080 implication that a superior civilization is operating on our planet undetected, 274 00:13:33,399 --> 00:13:36,120 that is what fuels the cover up. The political thread 275 00:13:36,159 --> 00:13:39,200 suggests the mystery of USOS is fundamentally a matter of 276 00:13:39,320 --> 00:13:41,000 national and global control. 277 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: The political thread gives us the why for the secrecy. 278 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:47,519 But if Burchett is right, if these five or six 279 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:51,919 bases exist, the next logical question isn't why, it's where. 280 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:56,080 Where is the US military actively encountering this mystery right now? 281 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:58,960 Speaker 2: And that takes us straight to the most active US 282 00:13:59,039 --> 00:14:02,039 hotspot for both us UP and USOS. The coast of 283 00:14:02,039 --> 00:14:03,080 southern California. 284 00:14:03,159 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: Specifically, the focus is on the deep complex bethymetry around 285 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:10,840 Redondo Canyon, the Santa Monica Basin, and the Catalina Channel. 286 00:14:10,639 --> 00:14:13,759 Speaker 2: And the sources here used the geographical expertise of a 287 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,279 highly credentialed individual, Rear Admiral Timothy galadet right. 288 00:14:17,279 --> 00:14:21,519 Speaker 1: He has a doctorate in oceanography, former NOAA administrator, so 289 00:14:21,639 --> 00:14:25,080 his analysis provides the scientific weight behind why this specific 290 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:27,000 area is a perfect concealment location. 291 00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 2: Galada pointed out that recent research in this region used 292 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:33,320 highly resolved data sets things like multi beam bethymmetry and 293 00:14:33,399 --> 00:14:34,559 side scan and sonar. 294 00:14:34,799 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: Okay, So for US learners, what is multi beam pathymetry. 295 00:14:38,240 --> 00:14:41,559 Speaker 2: It's essentially three D mapping of the ocean floor. It 296 00:14:41,679 --> 00:14:44,879 uses hundreds of focused acoustic beams. At the same time, 297 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:48,679 it gives you an extremely detailed, high resolution picture of 298 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:53,000 the topography, revealing canyons and features we just couldn't see before. 299 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 1: And what that highris data revealed is a topographical nightmare 300 00:14:57,279 --> 00:14:58,039 for human. 301 00:14:57,799 --> 00:14:59,879 Speaker 2: Explorers, but a dream come true for. 302 00:15:01,799 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 1: Gallatt described the region, particularly the steep walls of the 303 00:15:05,080 --> 00:15:08,639 Redondo Canyon, as a great place to do it. If 304 00:15:08,639 --> 00:15:11,679 a USO wanted to hide or enter and exit the 305 00:15:11,720 --> 00:15:13,080 deep ocean undetected. 306 00:15:13,480 --> 00:15:16,159 Speaker 2: He explained that the canyon acts almost like a mono 307 00:15:16,279 --> 00:15:19,720 rail route, a ready made subterranean highway that leads right 308 00:15:19,759 --> 00:15:22,360 into the region where so many UAPs have already been 309 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:24,120 sighted by Navy ships. 310 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,519 Speaker 1: Including the ships involved in the famous tic Tac incident 311 00:15:26,519 --> 00:15:29,320 for their south precisely, but even more fascinating is the 312 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:33,240 natural concealment that the geology offers. The area is characterized 313 00:15:33,240 --> 00:15:36,799 by these very active areas with frequent turbidity flows. 314 00:15:36,879 --> 00:15:38,639 Speaker 2: Okay, we need to slow down and explain what that is, 315 00:15:38,679 --> 00:15:40,360 because it is key to the concealment theory. 316 00:15:40,399 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: It's basically a rapid underwater. 317 00:15:42,360 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: Landslide, an avalanche yeah sediment, silt, sand, mud. It builds 318 00:15:49,440 --> 00:15:52,159 upon the steep sides of the canyon and then due 319 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,240 to an earthquake or just gravity, it slides down the 320 00:15:55,240 --> 00:15:59,600 canyon walls at high speed. This natural process moves vast 321 00:15:59,639 --> 00:16:03,919 amounts of sediment and instantly it just obliterates any trace 322 00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,240 of activity on the seabed. 323 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: So if a highly advanced object was hovering on the 324 00:16:08,279 --> 00:16:11,120 canyon floor, or if it was speeding into the deep ocean, 325 00:16:11,200 --> 00:16:13,879 using the canyon as a route. A turbidity flow could 326 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:18,000 instantly obscure any thermal signature, destroy any physical evidence. 327 00:16:17,720 --> 00:16:19,879 Speaker 2: Or just bury whatever entered the area. It is an 328 00:16:19,919 --> 00:16:22,120 active natural camouflage mechanism. 329 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:26,279 Speaker 1: This topographical analysis prompted the investigative team led by Ben 330 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,000 Hansen to try and explore the canyon firsthand. 331 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 2: Right they deployed their advanced ROV about five miles off 332 00:16:31,960 --> 00:16:34,679 shore of Verdondo Bouch, aiming to drop down to about 333 00:16:34,759 --> 00:16:37,000 nine hundred to one thousand feet, which is dumb enough 334 00:16:37,039 --> 00:16:38,480 to get to the canyon floor. 335 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:41,279 Speaker 1: And Hanson confirmed they were using world class equipment, an 336 00:16:41,279 --> 00:16:45,159 ocean body's ROV with high res sonar and a mechanical grabber. 337 00:16:45,679 --> 00:16:48,200 But their goal wasn't really retrieval, No, it. 338 00:16:48,159 --> 00:16:52,000 Speaker 2: Was just confirming the environmental conditions that galadet theorized about, and. 339 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 1: They ran straight into the defining characteristic of this area, 340 00:16:55,600 --> 00:16:56,879 the visibility problem. 341 00:16:57,080 --> 00:16:59,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, the expedition showed that the bottom of the canyon, 342 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:02,480 which is profound silty. It's filled with fine sand and 343 00:17:02,519 --> 00:17:06,519 silt that's collected over thousands of years of these underwater landslides. 344 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,920 Speaker 1: So the moment the ROV landed or tried to move. 345 00:17:09,839 --> 00:17:13,759 Speaker 2: It just instantly created this massive, opaque cloud of dust 346 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:18,759 and sediment. The practical difficulty of exploration was immediate and severe. 347 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 1: Even with powerful lights, their visibility was reduced to only 348 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:23,200 about twenty feet. 349 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,680 Speaker 2: And that level of depth, combined with this constant layer 350 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:32,119 of loose silt, it provides unparalleled natural camouflage. It physically 351 00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:35,359 supports the theory that even our most sophisticated, world class 352 00:17:35,359 --> 00:17:38,599 equipment can't penetrate this environment effectively. 353 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 1: Which means usos could easily operate and hide in these 354 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:43,240 structures right off our coast. 355 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 2: The ocean doesn't just conceal because it's big. It actively 356 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:50,839 conceals because of its geological volatility. Redondo Canyon, with its 357 00:17:50,880 --> 00:17:54,680 deep walls, its dynamic turbidity flows, and its silty bottom, 358 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,000 it's a truly perfect environment for non human activity to 359 00:17:58,039 --> 00:18:00,240 go completely undetected. 360 00:18:00,079 --> 00:18:01,839 Speaker 1: Right on the doorstep of one of the world's most 361 00:18:01,839 --> 00:18:02,880 populous regions. 362 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: So the geography establishes the perfect hiding spot. But what 363 00:18:06,319 --> 00:18:08,680 are the people who actually work these waters seeing? 364 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:11,559 Speaker 1: Right, let's move to the human dimension. We'll start with 365 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:15,279 Captain Thor Lisson, a boat captain who runs sport fishing 366 00:18:15,400 --> 00:18:18,920 charters near Dana Point Harbor and Katalina Island. He is 367 00:18:18,960 --> 00:18:22,160 a professional mariner. He knows these waters intimately. 368 00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:25,240 Speaker 2: He knows every light, every buoy, every ship that moves 369 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:25,720 through there. 370 00:18:25,960 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 1: And Thora's first major sighting was on September thirteenth, twenty 371 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:32,519 twenty one, near Catalina, which, as we noted, is the 372 00:18:32,519 --> 00:18:35,200 same general region as the famous two thousand and four 373 00:18:35,279 --> 00:18:36,519 tik Tak incident. 374 00:18:36,200 --> 00:18:41,079 Speaker 2: And he filmed it. He recorded three highly unusual orange spheres. 375 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,920 Speaker 1: His description of these objects was so vivid, which to 376 00:18:43,960 --> 00:18:46,640 me is often the marker of a high impact, genuine event. 377 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 2: Totally, he didn't just see balls of light. He called 378 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:51,759 the miniature galaxies. He said, if he looked closely, they 379 00:18:51,799 --> 00:18:55,839 had this spiral misty look inside like a collection of stars, 380 00:18:56,359 --> 00:19:00,160 not a solid bulb, but an energetic, gaseous sphere. 381 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:03,079 Speaker 1: And their behavior just defies explanation. He said. They were 382 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:06,799 constantly changing colors from red to black to orange. 383 00:19:06,359 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: And they were actively merging into one massive sphere, then 384 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:13,960 splitting back into three, disappearing for moments at a time, 385 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,920 and then reappearing instantly in a different spot. 386 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,400 Speaker 1: And he watched this for about ten intense. 387 00:19:20,039 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: Minutes, and the culmination of the sighting was the dramatic end. 388 00:19:23,599 --> 00:19:25,960 The objects dropped down close to the water until they 389 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:28,839 just vanished. Sore was explicit. He said, it looked like 390 00:19:28,839 --> 00:19:29,799 they disappeared into the. 391 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,559 Speaker 1: Ocean, which immediately classifies them as USOS. 392 00:19:33,039 --> 00:19:36,279 Speaker 2: Right, and the investigation team, to their credit, they did 393 00:19:36,319 --> 00:19:39,759 their due diligence here, which is vital for credibility. 394 00:19:40,440 --> 00:19:43,160 Speaker 1: They checked the Marine Casualty database to rule out any 395 00:19:43,160 --> 00:19:44,880 distress flares nearby. 396 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,880 Speaker 2: Camp Pendleton also confirmed they had no nighttime drills with 397 00:19:47,920 --> 00:19:50,920 flares or any unusual air activity scheduled for that date, 398 00:19:51,079 --> 00:19:51,440 and they. 399 00:19:51,319 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: Also rigorously ruled out the SpaceX rocket launch that happened 400 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,839 that night from Vandenberg Air Force Base about one hundred 401 00:19:57,880 --> 00:19:59,039 and fifty five miles north. 402 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, and while that launch was visible from the region, 403 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,839 investigators determined that based on the trajectory and the precise 404 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:08,920 timing of thor sighting, the event he witnessed these miniature 405 00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:12,480 galaxies merging and diving into the ocean was physically and 406 00:20:12,559 --> 00:20:16,880 temporarily inconsistent with the rocket's path. It was inexplicable. 407 00:20:17,039 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: Okay, so if the orange orbs were just strange. The 408 00:20:20,279 --> 00:20:24,680 second encounter Thor had was profoundly terrifying. 409 00:20:25,039 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 2: Yes, this one illustrates the emotional cost of encountering the unknown. 410 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,799 This happened while he was five to seven miles off Avalon, 411 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,920 in water that is noted to be extremely deep, over 412 00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:39,799 thirteen four hundred feet the true Pacific abyss, and. 413 00:20:39,759 --> 00:20:43,039 Speaker 1: He described driving his boat directly over something massive which 414 00:20:43,079 --> 00:20:45,640 then flashed these powerful lights straight up at his boat. 415 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 2: He insisted they weren't faint or diffuse. They were bright 416 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,720 white like baseball stadium lights, beaming up from below and 417 00:20:51,759 --> 00:20:54,400 surrounding his boat in a radius of about fifty yards. 418 00:20:54,599 --> 00:20:56,880 Speaker 1: Just imagine that for a second. You're in the deep, 419 00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,519 pitch black ocean and suddenly the area around your boat 420 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:01,759 is lit up like the sun is right underneath your hull. 421 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:05,160 Speaker 2: And a professional mariner like Thor, he's used to natural 422 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:09,119 ocean phenomena, he immediately ruled out the obvious candidates. He 423 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,720 confirmed this was not by a luminescence right. 424 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:13,279 Speaker 1: Not phosphorus or algae blooms. 425 00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 2: Those glow green, They're often weak, and they do not 426 00:21:16,319 --> 00:21:20,160 project focused, stadium bright white light with the power he saw. 427 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:24,960 This was a technological light source operating at a tremendous stepth. 428 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: And the emotional takeaway from this encounter, it just encapsulates 429 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,480 the existential terror of it all. 430 00:21:31,559 --> 00:21:34,440 Speaker 2: He said, the level of fear was so intense, so immediate. 431 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:36,440 He sat there the rest of the night with a 432 00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:38,720 gun in my hand, waiting for something to come creeping 433 00:21:38,759 --> 00:21:39,359 out of the water. 434 00:21:39,559 --> 00:21:42,400 Speaker 1: Wow, I mean that visceral quote, that feeling of profound 435 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,720 psychological disarmament. That's the reality of facing something technologically superior 436 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,759 and utterly unknown in a place we thought we controlled. 437 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,680 Speaker 2: It's an encounter with the truly alien right here on Earth. 438 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,039 Speaker 1: And this fear inducing encounter is not an isolated one. 439 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:01,000 The source material connected Thor's experience to another account from 440 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,559 an air traffic controller. 441 00:22:02,319 --> 00:22:05,680 Speaker 2: Which provides crucial context that military assets are also away 442 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:07,039 of this deep water activity. 443 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:08,640 Speaker 1: So what was the controller's story. 444 00:22:09,039 --> 00:22:12,039 Speaker 2: The controller claimed that jets were scrambled somewhere between the 445 00:22:12,079 --> 00:22:15,759 coast and the channel because a pilot had witnessed a 446 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,200 light the size of a city under the water. 447 00:22:18,319 --> 00:22:19,160 Speaker 1: The size of a city. 448 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,720 Speaker 2: If that report is true, it suggests that not only 449 00:22:22,759 --> 00:22:26,480 are there localized, powerful light sources beaming up from the ABYSS, 450 00:22:26,759 --> 00:22:30,799 but these sources are sometimes massive, maybe miles wide. And 451 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:34,039 significant enough to trigger an immediate military response. 452 00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:39,079 Speaker 1: The eyewitness accounts are compelling and terrifying, but let's go 453 00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,920 back to the search for physical measurable evidence. 454 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,319 Speaker 2: Right, evidence that something is affecting the known laws of 455 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,440 physics in that specific southern California area. 456 00:22:47,599 --> 00:22:50,519 Speaker 1: So Ben Hansen's team they conducted an aerial survey over 457 00:22:50,559 --> 00:22:53,759 the Catalina and Laguna Beach area, trying to map out 458 00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:55,279 an active anomalist zone. 459 00:22:55,359 --> 00:22:58,799 Speaker 2: And for the survey they used sophisticated third party scientific 460 00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:02,839 equipment detectors called the Cosmic Watch, which were provided by 461 00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:04,880 a doctor Can zag Zadagas, and the. 462 00:23:04,839 --> 00:23:07,640 Speaker 1: Goal is to fly this very precise back and forth 463 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,960 track over the area where sightings and military activity were 464 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:14,759 most frequent to see if they could detect any unusual particle, 465 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:16,519 radiation or energetic fields. 466 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,359 Speaker 2: While flying this specific rectangular track, they immediately encountered strange 467 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,839 technical issues with their own aircraft systems. 468 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:28,440 Speaker 1: Their GPS data, and more significantly, their ADSB data kept 469 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:32,960 disappearing and malfunctioning, but only within that defined anomalist zone 470 00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000 around Laguna Beach. 471 00:23:34,359 --> 00:23:37,640 Speaker 2: Okay, this failure of ADSB is hugely significant, so we 472 00:23:37,640 --> 00:23:41,839 should explain it ADSB stands for Automatic Dependent Surveillance Broadcast. 473 00:23:42,279 --> 00:23:45,359 Speaker 1: It's the modern standard system all commercial and most private 474 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:49,680 aircraft used to broadcast their precise position, altitude, and velocity. 475 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 2: It's redundant, it's resilient, it's broadcast continuously. The fact that 476 00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:57,359 this data kept failing locally within a specific, small rectangular 477 00:23:57,400 --> 00:24:02,079 area is well, it's statistically technically impossible for conventional reasons. 478 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,039 Speaker 1: That's the key. Hanson noted. The systems would immediately return 479 00:24:05,079 --> 00:24:08,960 to normal operation the moment the plane left the anomalous area. 480 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: Just like the ROV and the Baltic Sea. It suggests 481 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:16,519 a localized systemic interference that is overwhelming standard navigational and 482 00:24:16,599 --> 00:24:17,759 tracking technology. 483 00:24:17,960 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: But the truly anomalous physical data came from the particle 484 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:22,279 detector itself. 485 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,880 Speaker 2: Right. The cosmic Watch is designed to detect and count muons, 486 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:29,440 which are high energy particles raining down from space, and 487 00:24:29,759 --> 00:24:32,519 when doctor Zeidigiz analyzed the results from the flight path, 488 00:24:32,799 --> 00:24:35,000 he found something entirely unexpected. 489 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,319 Speaker 1: Initially, the particle detector data seemed to start rising faster 490 00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,759 than what would be naturally expected from just standard cosmic 491 00:24:42,839 --> 00:24:44,440 rays at that altitude. 492 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,279 Speaker 2: Which suggested they were entering an area where particle output 493 00:24:47,359 --> 00:24:50,720 was increasing rapidly, maybe from an exotic energy source. 494 00:24:50,799 --> 00:24:53,559 Speaker 1: But then came the critical failure, the centerpiece of the 495 00:24:53,559 --> 00:24:54,880 technical evidence. 496 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 2: The device, which is designed to count fundamental particles. It 497 00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:01,000 just suddenly started taking data. It went into to a failure. 498 00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:03,400 Speaker 1: Road, and doctor Zata was reported this as a systematic 499 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,960 failure he had never seen before in all his tests, 500 00:25:06,599 --> 00:25:09,359 and he couldn't replicate it despite trying multiple times to 501 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:11,880 force the same unit into that same mode. 502 00:25:12,079 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 2: Let's just clarify this for everyone listening. A particle detector 503 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,920 counts high energy particles hitting it constantly. If it suddenly 504 00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:22,799 stops counting, it's the equivalent of sound just stopping in 505 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,160 a room. It suggests that something active is blocking or 506 00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:30,119 suppressing or neutralizing the fundamental physics the device relies on 507 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:31,559 to measure reality. 508 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:34,680 Speaker 1: And critically, the device started working perfectly again the moment 509 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:36,640 the plane left that anomalis sare space. 510 00:25:36,839 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: It functioned before and after flying through that zone. It 511 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:43,799 only failed while inside it. This localized suppression of data 512 00:25:43,839 --> 00:25:47,240 acquisition aligns perfectly with the localized interference we saw in 513 00:25:47,279 --> 00:25:51,119 the Baltic Sea anomaly. Both suggest an active, non natural 514 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,079 field is being generated doctors. 515 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,480 Speaker 1: Dagis was asked about this strange data failure, specifically whether 516 00:25:57,519 --> 00:26:00,400 it supported the speculation of a portal or a tear 517 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:00,680 in the. 518 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:04,839 Speaker 2: Sky, and his measured scientific conclusion was vital to maintaining 519 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,720 scientific integrity Here. While he said he would love to 520 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:10,200 be able to say that he confirmed, they lack sufficient 521 00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:11,640 evidence to say it's a portal. 522 00:26:12,079 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 1: Specifically, they don't have data confirming gravitational anomalies or gravitational waves, 523 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,240 which would be the signature evidence of a wormhole or 524 00:26:21,319 --> 00:26:22,839 a massive space time distortion. 525 00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:27,079 Speaker 2: That level of constraint is what separates speculation from scientific fact. 526 00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:31,519 Even when you're confronted with these highly compelling, unreplicable anomalies, 527 00:26:31,599 --> 00:26:36,240 a particle detector just stopping mid flight ADSB systems failing. 528 00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,799 Science has to adhere to its methodology. 529 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,279 Speaker 1: But, as doctor Zidogas concluded, they now have more evidence 530 00:26:42,319 --> 00:26:44,799 that there is something strange in the Catalina area that 531 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:47,640 demands further and more sophisticated investigations. 532 00:26:47,759 --> 00:26:52,519 Speaker 2: So we have geographical advantages providing perfect concealment. We have 533 00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:56,039 political secrecy driven by the implication of non human control. 534 00:26:56,400 --> 00:27:00,000 We have physical evidence of impossible speeds, and technological failure 535 00:27:00,240 --> 00:27:02,680 both in the ocean and in the sky above, and 536 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,279 we have eyewitness accounts of terrifying encounters. It's time to 537 00:27:06,319 --> 00:27:09,039 synthesize these deep, thrilling threads. 538 00:27:08,799 --> 00:27:11,119 Speaker 1: To help bring this all home. The Sources consulted author 539 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,759 and investigator Richard Dolan, a leading expert on USOS who 540 00:27:14,839 --> 00:27:17,279 confirms that the collection of facts around the Catalina area 541 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,000 is well, it's alarmingly consistent. 542 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,559 Speaker 2: Dolan affirms that there is an inordinate number of truly 543 00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:28,599 fascinating UAP and USO cases clustered specifically in the Catalina area. 544 00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:31,960 This isn't just random noise. It's a high density cluster 545 00:27:32,039 --> 00:27:35,039 of activity that's recognized by serious researchers. 546 00:27:35,279 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: And we have to emphasize the military context again. This 547 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:42,640 area is critically close to major US Navy operational zones 548 00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:45,640 near San Diego and is of course the general location 549 00:27:45,759 --> 00:27:48,799 of the famous uss Nimitz tic Tac encounter. 550 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:52,039 Speaker 2: The Navy is operating right on top of this anomaly zone, 551 00:27:52,319 --> 00:27:55,079 which means they are either observing it, interacting with it, 552 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,160 or being actively out maneuvered by whatever this presence is. 553 00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: Dolan pushed the speculation to its logical conclusion addressing the 554 00:28:01,960 --> 00:28:03,960 possibility of a non human base. 555 00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:07,279 Speaker 2: Right, he reiterated the view, maybe connecting back to Congressman 556 00:28:07,319 --> 00:28:10,119 Burchett's sources, that of the few places on the planet 557 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,440 with real potential for a non human base, Catalina Island 558 00:28:13,559 --> 00:28:15,799 or somewhere around that is a real possibility. 559 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: The combination of deep concealment friendly canyons and its proximity 560 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,359 to the open Pacific makes it the ideal strategic location. 561 00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 2: And the final context here forces us to zoom out 562 00:28:26,039 --> 00:28:29,359 and revisit the scope of the entire mystery. Ross Coulthart 563 00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:33,480 summarized it perfectly by reminding us of the basic geographical reality. 564 00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:37,839 Seventy percent of Earth's surface area is covered by oceans. 565 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:40,799 Speaker 1: And we know shockingly little about them. We're always talking 566 00:28:40,799 --> 00:28:44,160 about the stars, but the true frontier is right here. 567 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,319 Speaker 2: This lack of knowledge is precisely why our attention has 568 00:28:47,359 --> 00:28:49,799 to be directed toward the depths as the most plausible 569 00:28:49,799 --> 00:28:53,200 explanation for the entire UAP and UFO mystery. 570 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:57,079 Speaker 1: If these objects are truly non human, if they're using technology, 571 00:28:57,119 --> 00:28:59,799 they can move at two hundred mile apart and eliminate drag. 572 00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,920 Then establishing bases or transit hubs in the ocean is 573 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,759 the definitive strategy for remaining hidden from us a civilization 574 00:29:07,839 --> 00:29:09,920 that primarily scans the atmosphere on the surface. 575 00:29:10,039 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 2: So what does this all mean? Our journey today reveals 576 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:15,559 this consistent pattern that runs across the globe. We have 577 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,200 technological malfunctions near physical anomalies like the Baltic Sea anomaly. 578 00:29:19,279 --> 00:29:22,519 Speaker 1: We have astonishing impossible claims about speed two hundred molli 579 00:29:22,559 --> 00:29:26,400 par usos. We have allegations of military secrecy and non 580 00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:27,640 human bases. 581 00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:31,519 Speaker 2: Compelling eyewitness accounts of objects entering the ocean and flashing 582 00:29:31,559 --> 00:29:34,000 stadium bright lights from the ABYSS. 583 00:29:33,559 --> 00:29:37,000 Speaker 1: And physical evidence of GPS and particle detection systems just 584 00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:40,880 failing in the airspace directly above this hotspot. The picture 585 00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:44,079 that's painted is one of highly advanced, seemingly non human 586 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,920 technology using the most inaccessible, yet globally connected region of 587 00:29:48,960 --> 00:29:49,519 our planet. 588 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: It forces us to reconsider the fundamental challenge to human 589 00:29:53,480 --> 00:29:57,359 exploration and our perceived control over the Earth. If non 590 00:29:57,440 --> 00:30:01,240 human intelligence has established itself in our deepest, most remote regions, 591 00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:03,839 the implication isn't that we're exploring them. 592 00:30:03,839 --> 00:30:05,319 Speaker 1: It's that we're simply observing them. 593 00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:09,440 Speaker 2: Observing US exactly. The most powerful civilizations don't hide in 594 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,559 plain sight on land where our satellites and radar arcdents. 595 00:30:12,839 --> 00:30:16,319 They utilize the vast inaccessible wilderness right beneath our commercial 596 00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:18,680 shipping lanes and naval exercise areas. 597 00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:22,440 Speaker 3: We've explored claims of impossible speed, deep ocean concealment, and 598 00:30:22,480 --> 00:30:26,480 political secrecy regarding USOS. Given that we have only explored 599 00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,240 a tiny fraction of our planet's oceans, do you believe 600 00:30:29,279 --> 00:30:31,799 these deep water areas hold a definitive answer to the 601 00:30:31,880 --> 00:30:35,240 UAP mystery? Or is the ocean simply the last best 602 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:37,319 place for these objects to remain undisturbed. 603 00:30:37,759 --> 00:30:38,640 Speaker 1: Let us know what you think.