WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.040 --> 00:00:01.600 Today, I want to tell you about a journey that 2 00:00:01.600 --> 00:00:03.879 I've been on for most of my life. Ever since 3 00:00:03.919 --> 00:00:05.799 I was a kid, I've heard tales of Bigfoot and 4 00:00:05.839 --> 00:00:08.320 wild men while spending time with my friends and family. 5 00:00:09.039 --> 00:00:11.439 As I grew older and read more about the paranormal, 6 00:00:11.599 --> 00:00:14.679 my interest in encryptids and other things strange only deepened. 7 00:00:15.240 --> 00:00:17.160 That's why I'm so excited to share with you what 8 00:00:17.199 --> 00:00:21.640 I've personally become involved with the Untold Radio Network. The 9 00:00:21.719 --> 00:00:25.280 Untold Radio Network is a live streaming podcast network that 10 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:29.359 airs a new show every day across all podcast platforms, YouTube, 11 00:00:29.359 --> 00:00:32.119 and more. 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So 21 00:01:00.759 --> 00:01:05.319 what are you waiting for visit www dot untold radionetwork 22 00:01:05.439 --> 00:01:06.560 dot com today. 23 00:01:06.760 --> 00:01:09.680 Now, what are your reporting? I got a screen going 24 00:01:09.719 --> 00:01:12.120 on here. Something just kid with my dog, something to 25 00:01:12.200 --> 00:01:15.280 kill your dog? My dog. We're flying through there, over 26 00:01:15.319 --> 00:01:20.079 the tree. I don't know how it did it? Okay, Damn, 27 00:01:20.159 --> 00:01:22.640 I'm really confused. All I saw was my dog coming 28 00:01:22.680 --> 00:01:24.480 over the fence, and name was dead once you hit 29 00:01:24.519 --> 00:01:26.560 the ground. I didn't see any cars. All I saw 30 00:01:26.680 --> 00:01:45.120 was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are 31 00:01:45.120 --> 00:01:49.959 you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around 32 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:58.640 out here? Did you see what it was? It was 33 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.359 enough out here. Look, I'm new to one doowing now 34 00:02:01.400 --> 00:02:02.879 and I don't need anything. I don't want to go 35 00:02:02.959 --> 00:02:11.800 out tonight. FA Hello, hit the buddy out here? What 36 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:13.719 went on out there? I thought of a bit of 37 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.840 about sixty nine. I don't know easy. I'm out there. 38 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:22.680 Yeah, I'm walking right, heady, doctor Hogan, chirou, welcome to 39 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:24.520 my friend. What's going on now? 40 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:27.319 Much? Just hanging out in Oregon, hoping that it doesn't 41 00:02:27.360 --> 00:02:30.680 get too hot, being thankful that the forest fires aren't 42 00:02:30.680 --> 00:02:33.199 getting too crazy out here yet. How are you doing? 43 00:02:33.680 --> 00:02:35.319 I'm hanging in like a hair and a biscuit man. 44 00:02:35.360 --> 00:02:38.159 And it is definitely not hot here in North Carolina. 45 00:02:38.280 --> 00:02:40.960 I've been freaking cold the last couple of days. I 46 00:02:40.960 --> 00:02:44.039 think it dropped down in mid fifties last night overnight, 47 00:02:44.080 --> 00:02:46.759 which is great. I run every day. I ran six 48 00:02:46.800 --> 00:02:49.879 miles yesterday and I probably could have ran another twelve 49 00:02:49.919 --> 00:02:53.599 miles because it was so freaking cool outside. It felt amazing. 50 00:02:54.159 --> 00:02:57.319 But we've had the wettest summer I think we've ever 51 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.919 had in the history of the world that I can remember. 52 00:03:00.439 --> 00:03:05.719 It's rained every freaking day for four months. It's impossible 53 00:03:05.759 --> 00:03:08.439 to do anything outside, and we live outside and do 54 00:03:08.560 --> 00:03:11.240 everything outside. The weather is what it is. We can 55 00:03:11.280 --> 00:03:14.159 get into the conversation maybe someday about climate change and 56 00:03:14.159 --> 00:03:17.400 global warming whatever makes this the wedd Is summer ever 57 00:03:17.479 --> 00:03:19.479 and the coolest it's been in a long time. I 58 00:03:19.479 --> 00:03:21.039 think it's going to be like in the seventies over 59 00:03:21.080 --> 00:03:23.000 the next week or so. I'm definitely looking forward to that. 60 00:03:23.080 --> 00:03:25.479 But I'm leaving town this weekend as we record this. 61 00:03:25.840 --> 00:03:27.840 If you guys are listening to this, on Friday, I 62 00:03:27.919 --> 00:03:33.960 am in Pennsylvania at the Central PA Bigfoot Conference slash Festival. 63 00:03:34.280 --> 00:03:35.960 I'm going to be hanging out with a bunch of 64 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.120 good friends of mine that are coming over from the UK. 65 00:03:38.240 --> 00:03:41.520 I've got Daniel and his father, Craig coming over. The 66 00:03:41.560 --> 00:03:44.800 Barnettes will be in town. Ryan rpgu Go and Beskie 67 00:03:44.840 --> 00:03:47.400 will be there. There's a host of other speakers. If 68 00:03:47.400 --> 00:03:49.199 you're in that area and you just happen to be 69 00:03:49.240 --> 00:03:52.080 listening to us, grab your ticket and stop by and 70 00:03:52.120 --> 00:03:53.840 see us. There's going to be tons of people out 71 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:56.879 there vending. I think the speaker area is inside, so 72 00:03:56.919 --> 00:03:59.520 I think you actually have to pay to access that part. 73 00:03:59.560 --> 00:04:01.280 But you can't just go shop the vendors and have 74 00:04:01.319 --> 00:04:03.120 a good time. I've never been to that, but I'm 75 00:04:03.120 --> 00:04:05.719 looking forward to hanging out with Gwen from Gotten Knockers, 76 00:04:06.159 --> 00:04:08.680 who is the organizer of that, and Mike, her husband. 77 00:04:09.360 --> 00:04:12.439 Great people up there in Pennsylvania. I'm definitely looking forward 78 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:15.080 to that. But that's not why we're here. You've been 79 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:18.000 on the show before, we've had some conversations about Bigfoot. 80 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:21.160 For posterity sake, and for those who have memories like mine, 81 00:04:21.199 --> 00:04:23.120 I don't remember what had for breakfast, so they may 82 00:04:23.160 --> 00:04:25.639 not remember who you are. Why don't you give us 83 00:04:25.720 --> 00:04:28.480 a little bit of the dime store tour, the elevator 84 00:04:28.519 --> 00:04:31.920 pitch for doctor Hogan chirou Sure. 85 00:04:32.240 --> 00:04:35.519 So I'm an organ boy, grew up in the woods 86 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:39.199 with a hunting and fishing guide as a father, former 87 00:04:39.279 --> 00:04:43.120 marine who used to like to take us up, spend 88 00:04:43.199 --> 00:04:45.800 us around ten times and then tell us, okay, tell 89 00:04:45.839 --> 00:04:47.959 me how you get home from here. And I guess 90 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:50.800 that's kind of where my interest in the woods and 91 00:04:50.879 --> 00:04:54.360 animals started. Went to college, went on and got my 92 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:59.879 PhD in evolutionary anthropology and studied everything from grizzly bears 93 00:04:59.879 --> 00:05:03.720 and gray wolves here in the Pacific Northwest to chimpanzees 94 00:05:03.839 --> 00:05:07.879 in East Africa. Spent some time with cheetahs in Southern 95 00:05:07.920 --> 00:05:12.000 Africa and gibbons and Asia. So I've been in lots 96 00:05:12.000 --> 00:05:14.480 of forests and lots of areas around the world, but 97 00:05:14.560 --> 00:05:19.680 my specialty is really in the evolution of behavior in humans, 98 00:05:20.279 --> 00:05:24.639 our hominin ancestors, and our closest relatives. My PhD was 99 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:29.480 focusing on chimpanzee behavioral ecology, and I taught for a 100 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:33.360 while at a university that have consulted for years. Have 101 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:38.519 always had an interest in all things squatchy. That's why 102 00:05:38.560 --> 00:05:40.920 I reached out to you originally, and I'm excited to 103 00:05:41.000 --> 00:05:43.279 be here chatting with you today about some of this stuff. 104 00:05:43.439 --> 00:05:45.319 Yeah, man, I've been looking forward to this. I love 105 00:05:45.319 --> 00:05:47.560 to have conversations with people smarter than I am. That's 106 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:50.120 how I learned things. And I also like to have 107 00:05:50.120 --> 00:05:52.680 conversations with people that disagree with me. I think that's 108 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:56.079 where the growth happens. If we constantly have conversations with 109 00:05:56.120 --> 00:05:58.160 everybody who's drinking the big foot kool aid, we never 110 00:05:58.199 --> 00:06:01.000 get anywhere. So I love these of conversations. I'm sure 111 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:04.639 will agree, probably more than we disagree. But one of 112 00:06:04.639 --> 00:06:07.439 the things that I was fascinated with that you brought up, 113 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:09.360 I think in one of our first conversations, and I 114 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:11.439 want to get into it here today to start with, 115 00:06:11.639 --> 00:06:14.199 is a great place. In my opinion, it's a springboard 116 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:18.639 for a lot of the experiences people have with bigfoot sasquatch, 117 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.800 harry man, bushman, whatever you call them, wherever you happen 118 00:06:21.879 --> 00:06:24.839 to be, whatever the nomenclature for you in your area is. 119 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:27.839 We're talking about the same thing here, and it's this 120 00:06:28.120 --> 00:06:33.800 super hero thing that accompanies these descriptions of these encounters. 121 00:06:34.120 --> 00:06:35.879 It's one of the things that we talked about before, 122 00:06:36.800 --> 00:06:39.279 is these things seem to be the biggest, the baddest, 123 00:06:39.360 --> 00:06:44.399 the fastest, the strongest, the loudest. They're the everything ist 124 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:46.879 that has anything to do with the animal kingdom, and 125 00:06:46.920 --> 00:06:50.040 that doesn't make sense in any other capacity. I think 126 00:06:50.120 --> 00:06:52.319 recently I was on another podcast as a guest, and 127 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.879 I was talking about this very thing and how it 128 00:06:54.959 --> 00:06:57.879 baffles me. And I think I compared an elephant and 129 00:06:57.920 --> 00:07:01.639 a cheetah. Right, Cheetah's one of, if not the fastest 130 00:07:01.680 --> 00:07:05.360 animal on Earth. Elephant's one of the biggest animals that's 131 00:07:05.399 --> 00:07:09.000 ever been on the Earth currently on the Earth. I 132 00:07:09.000 --> 00:07:11.879 think the largest elephant that I read something about recently 133 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:14.120 was back in the early nineties. It was a big 134 00:07:14.160 --> 00:07:19.839 bull elephant. He weighed twenty six thousand pounds. Enormous creature, right, 135 00:07:21.079 --> 00:07:24.000 But you take those two animals and they're amazing in 136 00:07:24.040 --> 00:07:27.279 and of themselves, But if you compare them side by side, 137 00:07:27.920 --> 00:07:33.519 there's nothing there that really overlaps at all. Elephants are big, 138 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:38.879 they're heavy, they're strong, they're powerful, they're loud. Cheetahs are fleek, 139 00:07:39.600 --> 00:07:43.120 they're built for speed, they're killing machines. And when you 140 00:07:43.160 --> 00:07:46.079 get into the bigfoot sasquatch thing. I've had my own 141 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.720 encounters with these things, and I'm sure we're going to 142 00:07:47.720 --> 00:07:50.759 talk about at some point. When you compare these to 143 00:07:51.079 --> 00:07:55.720 say a sasquatch encounter. Sasquatch are always the fastest, they 144 00:07:55.759 --> 00:07:59.160 move the fastest, they're the biggest, they're the loudest. Their 145 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:02.160 vocalization you feel them before you hear them. People think 146 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.800 they're able to emit infrasound, very similar to animals like 147 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:10.519 elephants and big cats. But they're like the superhero of cryptids, 148 00:08:10.839 --> 00:08:13.560 and that never has made sense to me. I tend 149 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:16.480 to stay in the lane of flesh and blood, the 150 00:08:16.639 --> 00:08:20.120 scientific approach to this research, But I think what that 151 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:22.279 does the longer I stay in this and I think 152 00:08:22.279 --> 00:08:24.040 this happens with a lot of people in the subject. 153 00:08:24.560 --> 00:08:28.160 Instead of sticking with the science and just saying, Okay, 154 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:31.040 there's no way this creature could exist, so none of 155 00:08:31.040 --> 00:08:34.759 that makes any sense, it's all bullshit. I don't believe that. 156 00:08:34.799 --> 00:08:37.559 Because I've seen these creatures. I know they exist. So 157 00:08:37.600 --> 00:08:42.159 I have to then evaluate is there something often the 158 00:08:42.200 --> 00:08:46.080 sauce with the person or persons who experience that. Maybe 159 00:08:46.120 --> 00:08:50.120 it was adrenaline, Maybe it was fear. Maybe it was 160 00:08:50.120 --> 00:08:53.320 something else in the encounter. I've said it before. I 161 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:55.519 think maybe these things might have been six feet tall 162 00:08:55.600 --> 00:08:58.000 and they grew three feet or they became ten feet 163 00:08:58.039 --> 00:09:01.639 tall because of the fear and adrenaline. They disappeared. Maybe 164 00:09:01.639 --> 00:09:05.200 it didn't disappear, Maybe it just blended with its environments. 165 00:09:05.240 --> 00:09:07.360 The list goes on and on. There's a litany of things. 166 00:09:08.039 --> 00:09:13.200 Where are you on this given your background, given your knowledge, 167 00:09:13.360 --> 00:09:17.320 training and experience, your degree in the subject, how do 168 00:09:17.399 --> 00:09:21.840 you reconcile that in your brain as a scientist. Are 169 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:23.879 you one of these people that dismiss a whole cloth 170 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:25.759 or do you think there could be something more to 171 00:09:25.799 --> 00:09:26.639 some of these signings. 172 00:09:27.080 --> 00:09:30.960 I have a saying that I've used for decades showing 173 00:09:31.000 --> 00:09:34.240 my age. I never say never or always in biology. 174 00:09:35.159 --> 00:09:38.200 As soon as you do, then someone goes and catches 175 00:09:38.240 --> 00:09:41.200 a ceilacant off the custom Atagascar, and your whole theory 176 00:09:41.240 --> 00:09:44.360 is screwed. So I always leave the possibility open. I 177 00:09:44.399 --> 00:09:49.960 am definitely a hardcore skeptic based on my education, training, 178 00:09:50.039 --> 00:09:52.840 and understanding about ap coology, et cetera, which we can 179 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:56.559 get into more detail when it comes to the superhero stuff. 180 00:09:56.600 --> 00:09:59.399 I brought that up originally because as I was getting 181 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:03.279 more and more in to more recent sasquatch stories and things, 182 00:10:03.919 --> 00:10:08.159 I was noticing just that through line of people talking about, Oh, 183 00:10:08.200 --> 00:10:12.080 it was so powerful, it did things that humans could 184 00:10:12.159 --> 00:10:15.960 never do. A five hundred pound rock came flying past 185 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:19.240 our truck and it was at least ten feet tall. 186 00:10:19.320 --> 00:10:21.360 We went out to the tree and measured it was 187 00:10:21.440 --> 00:10:24.519 at least that tall. It ran faster than any animal 188 00:10:24.639 --> 00:10:28.759 possibly could. I recently heard someone say there's nothing in 189 00:10:28.799 --> 00:10:33.679 North America that could outrun a sasquatch. Considering pronghorn antelope 190 00:10:33.679 --> 00:10:37.679 can hit about sixty miles an hour, that's an impressive claim. 191 00:10:38.159 --> 00:10:42.919 And I am definitely if sasquatch exists, definitely a flesh 192 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:45.919 and blood guy. If it exists, in my opinion, it's 193 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:48.200 an ape of some sort. But we need to figure 194 00:10:48.200 --> 00:10:49.960 that out. But when we look at I love your 195 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:53.360 example of elephants and cheetahs because what they do have 196 00:10:53.399 --> 00:10:56.759 in common is their mammalian ancestry. They're both mammals, both 197 00:10:56.799 --> 00:10:59.720 give birth to live young, both nurse them, both have 198 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:03.240 some sort of hair on their bodies. But you're right, 199 00:11:03.440 --> 00:11:07.399 when you just look at them, that's where a lot 200 00:11:07.399 --> 00:11:09.639 of the similarities. And one of the other things with 201 00:11:09.759 --> 00:11:13.320 cheetahs is one of the compromises that's happened in cheetah 202 00:11:13.360 --> 00:11:18.559 evolution to get that fast is that they're incredibly fragile. 203 00:11:19.120 --> 00:11:22.399 So cheetahs don't take any risks when it comes to hunting. 204 00:11:22.399 --> 00:11:25.919 When it comes to defending food, if a larger predator 205 00:11:26.039 --> 00:11:28.720 comes along, a cheetah will just take off because it 206 00:11:28.799 --> 00:11:31.759 can outrun that predator, but it can't outfight it. Its 207 00:11:31.960 --> 00:11:35.559 bones are more fragile, and really all predators are risk 208 00:11:35.639 --> 00:11:39.639 averse that way, but cheetah's more so than most elephants. 209 00:11:39.639 --> 00:11:42.440 On the other hand, I mean, there are certain groups 210 00:11:42.600 --> 00:11:47.399 that traditionally hunted elephants. They would process elephants from the 211 00:11:47.480 --> 00:11:52.360 inside out because it was easier to cut through their 212 00:11:52.399 --> 00:11:55.320 stomach and get the guts out and start working from 213 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:58.240 the inside that it was cutting through their hide. That's 214 00:11:58.320 --> 00:12:01.320 how tough their height is. And while an elephant can 215 00:12:01.399 --> 00:12:04.799 outrun a human if it wants to for a short distance, 216 00:12:04.799 --> 00:12:06.480 it's pretty much done for the rest of the day. 217 00:12:06.639 --> 00:12:09.480 You said that you're running five or six miles a day. 218 00:12:10.000 --> 00:12:13.080 An elephant's not doing that with you. An elephant's walking 219 00:12:13.159 --> 00:12:17.399 that slowly because their body requires so much food. There 220 00:12:17.440 --> 00:12:21.399 are these kind of principles in evolution, things like niche separation, 221 00:12:21.559 --> 00:12:24.559 which is what gets you from a mammalian ancestor to 222 00:12:25.039 --> 00:12:30.200 eventually cheetahs and elephants, dolphins and otters and everything else. 223 00:12:30.840 --> 00:12:34.399 But there's also life history theory is a pretty powerful 224 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:40.960 tool in biological studies. It really talks about finite resources. 225 00:12:41.200 --> 00:12:44.559 There are finite resources and whether those are food, water, 226 00:12:45.279 --> 00:12:52.000 or resources for evolution, so ability to develop certain parts 227 00:12:52.000 --> 00:12:55.039 of your body. What happens is this kind of trade off. 228 00:12:55.080 --> 00:12:59.679 There's almost a cost benefit analysis that happens unconsciously organisms 229 00:13:00.000 --> 00:13:02.639 depending on the niche that they've separated, and to use 230 00:13:02.720 --> 00:13:06.360 their resources in different ways. Humans were a great example. 231 00:13:07.080 --> 00:13:10.440 We're sitting here talking to each other from three thousand 232 00:13:10.519 --> 00:13:15.320 miles away on computers that our big gass brains have developed, 233 00:13:15.799 --> 00:13:19.559 but we all know that physically, I don't care if 234 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:21.720 there's one hundred of us, we're no match for a gorilla. 235 00:13:22.159 --> 00:13:24.879 It's just not happening. Those are trade offs that have 236 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:28.720 happened over the course of human evolution. Developed that big brain, 237 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:34.919 we put less investment into our physical abilities. So when 238 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:38.600 I hear these stories of like you said, the superhero 239 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:42.240 of cryptids, right, where all of those boxes are checked. 240 00:13:42.720 --> 00:13:44.759 Some of those folks will say, and they're as smart 241 00:13:44.799 --> 00:13:47.360 as humans, or they're close to as smart as humans, 242 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:50.519 and they're stronger than a gorilla, and they're faster than 243 00:13:50.519 --> 00:13:54.200 a cheetah, and they're that's in there, and that's biologically. 244 00:13:54.320 --> 00:13:58.480 We have just never seen that happen with an organism ever. 245 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:02.559 Of the million millions of species that have existed, we've 246 00:14:02.600 --> 00:14:06.600 never seen one that checks all the boxes. So for me, 247 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:09.039 I think you're on the right track. I think that 248 00:14:09.120 --> 00:14:14.039 what happens is people's perception when they're having these experiences, 249 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.320 it gets distorted without them realizing it. I think of 250 00:14:18.360 --> 00:14:21.399 the old fishing stories. How big was the fishit you caught? 251 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.440 Oh yeah, that sucker was at least two feet long. 252 00:14:25.039 --> 00:14:27.960 You caught an eat inch bass. That's a nice bass, 253 00:14:28.600 --> 00:14:31.480 but it wasn't a record center. I have friends who 254 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:35.600 have been hunting for thirty years who come back talking 255 00:14:35.639 --> 00:14:39.679 about biggest buck I've ever seen. Oh my god, I 256 00:14:39.679 --> 00:14:41.960 thought it was an elk when it came through the woods. 257 00:14:42.600 --> 00:14:45.559 I have been with them. Had it happen where guys 258 00:14:45.600 --> 00:14:49.120 talking about the biggest buck run into the same deer. 259 00:14:50.000 --> 00:14:54.360 Nice four point. It's not the largest deer that's ever lived. 260 00:14:54.759 --> 00:14:57.320 I'm not saying this to disparage anyone. I think that 261 00:14:57.360 --> 00:15:01.600 it's a natural thing that happens in our brains, and 262 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.039 actually I think it may be an adaptation. It may 263 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:06.080 be something that's evolved that protects us. 264 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:10.399 And stay tuned for more sasquat chotasy. We'll be right 265 00:15:10.480 --> 00:15:11.960 back after these messages. 266 00:15:16.320 --> 00:15:19.759 If you see something you can't explain and your brain 267 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:25.080 tells you, hey is big and it is dangerous, you're 268 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:29.120 more likely to survive that encounter than if your brain goes, hey, 269 00:15:29.159 --> 00:15:32.159 go boop it on the nose. It's really cute, go 270 00:15:32.240 --> 00:15:35.799 cuddle with it. You hear stories of the folks who 271 00:15:35.840 --> 00:15:38.799 get into the historical stuff, and you talk about the 272 00:15:39.000 --> 00:15:42.080 old newspaper articles. We ever read some of those same 273 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:46.480 time period articles about run ins with grizzly bears, and 274 00:15:46.519 --> 00:15:49.720 grizzly bears in North America were if you would just 275 00:15:50.039 --> 00:15:53.440 go by those articles, they were ten feet tall. They 276 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:57.639 were gigantic. There's no grizzly bear in the world that's 277 00:15:57.639 --> 00:16:00.679 that big. Again, let's not to say that those folks 278 00:16:00.720 --> 00:16:04.600 are lying that those folks are making something up intentionally, 279 00:16:05.240 --> 00:16:06.960 and it may not be an adaptation, may just be 280 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.279 a byproduct of our creative brains. 281 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:12.639 I think what happens with a lot of people in 282 00:16:12.679 --> 00:16:15.000 this subject, and it certainly happened to me at least 283 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.360 on some level over the last year or so, is 284 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:23.879 most of us don't have the understanding of biology, evolution 285 00:16:24.200 --> 00:16:26.159 and all the things that you just talked about. What 286 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:28.399 happens is and this is what I've heard from so 287 00:16:28.440 --> 00:16:30.720 many people over the years. The longer you stay in 288 00:16:30.720 --> 00:16:34.879 this the more wo or high strangeness you tend to go, 289 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:38.440 because the flesh and blood thing makes less and less 290 00:16:38.480 --> 00:16:42.399 sense the more encounter stories that you hear. At some point, 291 00:16:42.480 --> 00:16:45.320 it can't be the smartest, the biggest, the fastest, the 292 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:49.440 everything is on earth. So you start looking at other things. 293 00:16:49.519 --> 00:16:54.840 Could it be interdimensional? Could it be sent here by aliens? 294 00:16:54.919 --> 00:16:59.799 Could it be something that's supernatural? And I think that's 295 00:16:59.840 --> 00:17:02.799 the dangerous slippery slope for a lot of people in 296 00:17:02.879 --> 00:17:09.519 this is they start to abandon science for other explanations 297 00:17:09.599 --> 00:17:12.640 that will fill in the gaps in some of the 298 00:17:12.640 --> 00:17:14.839 things that don't make sense. I think that's one of 299 00:17:14.839 --> 00:17:16.920 the things we have to be very careful of. I too, 300 00:17:16.960 --> 00:17:19.759 am guilty of it at times because I've seen things 301 00:17:19.759 --> 00:17:22.359 in my own experiences that don't make sense to me, 302 00:17:22.440 --> 00:17:24.599 which we'll talk a little bit about here shortly. You 303 00:17:24.640 --> 00:17:27.119 mentioned something that I want to expand on a little bit, 304 00:17:27.119 --> 00:17:33.359 which is the overlap or the alleged overlap in sasquatch 305 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:38.119 sightings and ecology versus bear ecology and what that means 306 00:17:38.400 --> 00:17:41.559 for some of these sightings in your opinion, do you 307 00:17:41.720 --> 00:17:45.400 think that there could be or is an overlap? And 308 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:48.160 this is something that's come up multiple times with doctor 309 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:53.079 Jeff Meldrum. He often compares if there's black bear in 310 00:17:53.119 --> 00:17:56.359 the area, there could be sasquatch in the area in 311 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:00.279 his opinion, because that ecology and that biology and what 312 00:18:00.319 --> 00:18:03.559 they would need to survive is very similar in his opinion. 313 00:18:04.480 --> 00:18:07.799 What's say you on this alleged overlap or this overlap 314 00:18:07.880 --> 00:18:12.400 of the alleged sasquatch encounters and the bear ecology and 315 00:18:12.400 --> 00:18:15.640 where bears are currently residing. Let's just use the lower 316 00:18:15.680 --> 00:18:16.160 forty eight. 317 00:18:16.799 --> 00:18:20.279 Yeah, it's absolutely let's be restricted to that, because once 318 00:18:20.279 --> 00:18:23.559 we go north, it's a whole different conversation. What's interesting 319 00:18:23.599 --> 00:18:28.440 to me because most of the ecology that people describe 320 00:18:28.559 --> 00:18:32.319 for sasquatch when they're describing it these days, it's basically 321 00:18:32.359 --> 00:18:36.559 a bear ecology. They describe as large carnivores. Bears are 322 00:18:36.599 --> 00:18:41.559 technically large carnivores. So black bears are definitely straight omnivores 323 00:18:41.599 --> 00:18:44.960 and spend a huge part of their time surviving off 324 00:18:45.000 --> 00:18:48.960 of berries, grubs, or roots, all sorts of things. That's 325 00:18:49.000 --> 00:18:52.000 in late terms how I like to describe omnivores. Just 326 00:18:52.079 --> 00:18:55.359 eat whatever they can, right, They eat whatever will sustain 327 00:18:55.400 --> 00:19:00.400 them that they can digest. I've had sightings myself. I've 328 00:19:00.440 --> 00:19:04.759 seen bear had It happened two years ago while I 329 00:19:04.799 --> 00:19:09.440 was deer hunting. I saw this massive black animal for 330 00:19:09.559 --> 00:19:14.680 about seventy five yards away disappearing into the bush. From 331 00:19:14.720 --> 00:19:19.160 that diston, with the broken foliage that I was looking through, 332 00:19:19.720 --> 00:19:24.640 I could have easily thought, WHOA, I was a huge 333 00:19:24.680 --> 00:19:28.359 sasquatch that ran into the woods. Being the open minded 334 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:31.960 biologist I am, I was like, all right, walk your 335 00:19:32.200 --> 00:19:34.839 ass over there and check out the tracks and see 336 00:19:34.920 --> 00:19:37.440 see if you can find any side. And so I did, 337 00:19:37.640 --> 00:19:40.759 and sure enough found some really nice black bear tracks 338 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:43.480 stuffed up a little bit and followed them for a 339 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:45.920 little bit to see if I could get another view. 340 00:19:46.079 --> 00:19:49.240 It's also bear season here, Walle, it's deer season. I 341 00:19:49.279 --> 00:19:53.599 don't hut bears, but it definitely was that size because 342 00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:56.920 it didn't stick around when humans have rifles. That got 343 00:19:56.920 --> 00:19:59.640 me thinking. First off, we can talk about the sighting stuff, 344 00:19:59.640 --> 00:20:02.640 but kind of overlap. And I know Jeff. I have 345 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:05.079 great respect for Jeff. I really like it. I think 346 00:20:05.119 --> 00:20:10.119 he's just top notch when it comes to especially to anatomy, 347 00:20:10.319 --> 00:20:15.119 evolution of anatomical structures, things like that. I think, respectfully, 348 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.200 I disagree with him on his assessment day where there 349 00:20:18.240 --> 00:20:23.200 are black bears that are probably sasquatch, because again in biology, 350 00:20:23.240 --> 00:20:29.200 we don't see where large organisms share ecological niches even 351 00:20:29.240 --> 00:20:31.480 if one's active during the day and one's active during 352 00:20:31.519 --> 00:20:34.240 the night. Black bears are active during both the day 353 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:36.720 and the night, primarily day, but they move around at 354 00:20:36.759 --> 00:20:40.839 night too. Obviously, all the reports from sas fast watches 355 00:20:40.880 --> 00:20:44.359 out there they are primarily active at night, but they 356 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.640 operate during the day too. To me, that just doesn't 357 00:20:47.640 --> 00:20:51.359 match biologically. Ecologically, it doesn't line up. You'd have to 358 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:55.240 have some sort of real niche separation between the two 359 00:20:55.359 --> 00:20:59.319 for those two speakings to coexist, especially at their body size, 360 00:20:59.359 --> 00:21:02.480 because they're gonna wipe out resources if they're both in 361 00:21:02.559 --> 00:21:06.039 the same areas doing that. But I do think the 362 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:10.000 bear phenomenon is something that we really should think about 363 00:21:10.000 --> 00:21:13.640 when we're thinking about sightings and things like that, especially 364 00:21:13.680 --> 00:21:16.079 when you hear these kind of fleeting sidings. Because my 365 00:21:16.119 --> 00:21:19.599 anecdotal story is a great example of that. When someone 366 00:21:19.599 --> 00:21:23.039 says I saw some huge black animal move off, let's 367 00:21:23.079 --> 00:21:26.519 not jump to something that we don't know for sure. 368 00:21:26.559 --> 00:21:28.920 If it's out there, we'll talk about your stuff when 369 00:21:28.920 --> 00:21:32.400 you want to. But my opinion is let's stay conservative. 370 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:34.880 We know black bears are out there, so that's probably 371 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.359 what it was. Again, I think ecologically it just doesn't 372 00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:40.640 work for me. Jeff and I actually a couple of 373 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:43.599 years ago went around and around respectfully about it, where 374 00:21:43.599 --> 00:21:45.960 I was like, so explain to me this because we 375 00:21:46.000 --> 00:21:49.079 don't see this. You don't see another large carnivore where 376 00:21:49.079 --> 00:21:52.720 there are tigers, and tigers are hunting mostly at night 377 00:21:52.799 --> 00:21:56.920 and there's a daytime large carnivore that's operating filling that 378 00:21:56.960 --> 00:22:00.160 same niche. So, yeah, that's where I stand on it. 379 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:03.279 It makes sense I've said, I think that some of 380 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:09.359 the anecdotal experiences people have our most likely misidentifications. I 381 00:22:09.400 --> 00:22:12.039 certainly don't think that everybody who's ever purported to have 382 00:22:12.039 --> 00:22:15.519 seen a sasquatch actually saw one. I think there are 383 00:22:15.559 --> 00:22:19.359 misidentifications that happen. It's easy to do. It's easy to 384 00:22:19.359 --> 00:22:22.200 get scared startled when you see a big black mass 385 00:22:22.240 --> 00:22:26.000 moving away, and most people don't do what you did, 386 00:22:26.119 --> 00:22:29.720 which was go towards where you saw this thing and 387 00:22:29.880 --> 00:22:34.200 find follow up traces of what it could have been 388 00:22:34.359 --> 00:22:36.880 ie footprints that turned out to be a black bear. 389 00:22:37.000 --> 00:22:40.480 I see a large black mass moving off into the 390 00:22:40.519 --> 00:22:44.079 tree line, I go where said black mass enter the 391 00:22:44.119 --> 00:22:48.160 tree line, and wow, there's black bear. Prance, you put 392 00:22:48.160 --> 00:22:51.960 all the totality of the circumstances together, you saw black bear. 393 00:22:52.319 --> 00:22:55.400 Most people don't do that. They just assume that whatever 394 00:22:55.440 --> 00:22:58.960 that was, whatever their brain immediately goes to, whether it 395 00:22:59.039 --> 00:23:01.839 was a bear or a asquatch. For them, that's what 396 00:23:01.880 --> 00:23:03.519 it is, and that's what the story is for the 397 00:23:03.519 --> 00:23:06.799 remainder of their life. But that's the difference I think 398 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:10.160 in you and the rest of the world, or me 399 00:23:10.359 --> 00:23:12.519 and the rest of the world, is most people aren't 400 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:14.599 into those kind of things, so they're not going to 401 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:19.160