Speaker 1: It's not right. Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back
to the Rings of Power. Oh I Dan Tyler Season two,
episode four spoilers of you. I'm dropping the clown Prince
this week, and I'm a bomba del boy Tress Snell
and I'm joined.
Speaker 2: By I'm not a harfoot Kirkland Patzer.
Speaker 3: I'm a wild man ill mus wow man.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, because I was thinking about I
said offcast. I was gonna hum that House of Dragon theme,
and it's not how stringing oviously can anyone hum me
the theme of this? Is it like implanting your brain yet?
Because I find it's a yeah. I find it's a
nice song, but it's not catchy per se, you know.
Speaker 2: Ever since you said the Game of Thrones one, now
that's all I can hear, so I kind of corrupted
me in that sense. I can see the visuals of it.
I love like the intro itself, but I would agree
I don't think the song is.
Speaker 3: I do not like the intro, which is why I don't.
I skip it, and then I probably am not getting
the theme ingrained in my brain.
Speaker 1: That's fair. I like the intro. I watched it. I
think each time last week, but this week I did
skip it as I think I've had you know, I
like it, but it's not like a I gotta see
it every time, you know. But even then, like there's some.
Speaker 3: I feel like you don't have time for. No TV
intro these days, no moving around a table like come on,
movie doing here?
Speaker 2: I feel like I used to skip it. Now I
watch it. I found out that it's supposed to be
like like a recreation of the song of the iin Ore,
which is supposed to be like what created the universe.
So since I heard that fact, I'm like, I want
to see this, And then I don't really get the
audio like uh like attachment to it. But I guess
it's just more of the visuals of the way things
are ebbing and flowing in that way. But looks great
visuals you know of the show remain remain fantastic, even
in the.
Speaker 1: Intro, dealing per conversation, off cast, the pop shops, our
key flair. I don't think it's going to be a
returning purchase for me one and done, No, one and done,
but you know it's not one? Then is this show?
Because we got we're funny enough now we're halfway, because
right we talked about yeah, halfway, we're at the halfway mark. So, uh,
mister Muss, what did you think of? Also, last week
we talked about whole batch of episodes, so a little
different back reality and I just solid out or so
did that help? Are you still kind of feeling a
little bit man on the show? How these characters going?
So where were you now at the halfway mark of
season two?
Speaker 3: Well? Sorry, one more tangent because I want to share
one other thing, which is, yesterday we did a review
for Beetlejuice. Go check that out. Yes, but at Beetlejuice,
I got the trailer for War over here him there.
I got to say, getting that trailer on the big
screen got me way more hyped than when we talked
about on a newscast and I saw the first time.
So I just wanted to share that that. You know,
we're all somewhat negative or fairly negative on that trailer
when we talked about on the Newsgays coupb weics ago,
But damn se you know, on the big screen, man,
some of these three D effects they have going on
some of these characters, the colors really popping it was
looking good, and I'm getting a little more excited for
that show.
Speaker 1: And I will agree with you. And I said that
to Taylor. I'm like, oh, looks better on the big screen.
He said, ah, hurt my eyes. So Taylor did not
get usually out on that review. Yeah, Taylor did not
get more excited. But yeah, I heard one person behind me, oh,
the lowther Ring's anime nice. So still don't think it's
gonna do the best, But yeah, it did look like
a little bit better blown up, like a little more.
Okay I could I'm not gonna see in the theater,
so it doesn't matter to me because I'll just be unavailable.
But like I was like, this looks like an experience,
even if I could sneak away to maybe with the
kids maybe later on. But yeah, I'm glad you brought
that up.
Speaker 3: So yeah, well, anyway back into episode four here, I
don't know if I it's hard to say you always
really not hyped on those first three episodes. I don't
think anything really changed this week. I'm not terribly negative
on anything in particular, but I'm also not very positive
on anything, so I feel like I'm just coasting so far.
And I hope that it kind of picks up in
the second half here, but in terms of where we've
gone with some of the characters, this is very different episode. Actually,
it was a law of action. It's felt like a
lot of action set pieces, a lot of CGI beasts
and things, and I don't know, I honestly was just
not got getting a lot of that Lord of the
Rings vibe energy feeling to what was going on was
being seen here, even if it was like, oh, this
is a thing that is very Lord of the Rings,
but just the way it's being portraying the show isn't
doing it for me in the same way. I do
feel like this episode had a couple interesting storyline progressions,
but for the most part, very little seemed to happen,
and even with one of our character groups in particular,
not really too interested in the direction we seem to
be going with them. And then also some of my
other favorite storylines weren't even in this episode at all,
So that's disappointing. But there's even more in the next
week and the second half of the series, I guess overall.
So so yeah, unfortunately, not much not much more positive
for me, but u but also not not hating it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's funny because because I just did
the rewatch and Dylan never watched any Game of Thrones.
Speaker 3: Right, I've seen like two seasons of it, but okay, off,
at some.
Speaker 1: Point it reminds me like you in the first scene
the show, but this scene especially, that was Game of
Thrones in the middle where they end up with so
many characters, and as I did the rewatch, there'd be
people you just wouldn't see for four episodes. But then
when I did the rewatch was fine because like, okay,
I'm watching it literally all together, it doesn't feel as bad.
But that is the struggle when you have so much,
not even just characters, Like all the characters' stories are
very different and very i would say, like have massive
implications for the most like what we know it's gonna
lead to. Right, So it's just it's not like, oh,
it's just a little like I feel like even the
small storyline would be something like the elf and his
like adoptive son or whatever. Right, but that's like, okay,
now we got ants in there, like minors voice, It's like, okay,
they're interesting something bigger. But yeah, I will say I
think I liked this episode the most out of the
out of the four, which is good. I'm not sure
if it is like because Dylan said there is more
action and I liked it for the most part, but
I think it just had a good flow to it.
There still isn't anything that I absolutely loved. I was like, oh, man,
now you know I do it for mean purposes, but
I legitimately like what they've done with Bambadil so far.
I'll be excited to hear from mister Patsa here. But
it got the vibes there and I like Rory Kanear
and you know, he was good performance there, so it's yeah,
it's I'm really curious where we're gonna cause we talked
about this with the Stranger thing last week, right like
the Stranger care in his storyline of oh, we're gonna
get some resolution, then maybe he'll be on to some
other things. But it's like we're halfway through and I
really don't think so. Right like, he will get into it.
He just meets certain people and learns certain things, but
he's still just kind of in the same spot. So
I'm very curious where the show's gonna be in the
finale and if it's gonna move much, which sounds bad
like it because I don't, because I think you can
still have a good show even if you don't move far.
But I guess you know, hey, some people said that
about The Bear season three, which are not seen. I
just wonder if it's gonna be a lot that because
I just halfway through the season and we're getting some developments.
But I just feel like we are. Season one did
move slow, but there's just something even slower about this
year for some reason.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, since you just are doing the rewatch, like, sorry,
did you just finished season one? Like is that what
you mean?
Speaker 1: No, No, I haven't. I got back to that. No,
I wanted to, but this week's just been too busy
because the kids has been home and it's just been
what not. So no, I only got up three episodes. Yeah, yeah,
but I just yeah, That's what I meant with that
rewatch of it was.
Speaker 3: Like, you feel like season one of the show, there
was a lot more progress that was happening week to week,
I felt, and at least what we've had with I mean,
it's tricky because last last week we out a three
episode dump, so that's like a lot to trudge through.
But Eve, yeah, this week in particularly stowed to me
in that way.
Speaker 1: Because even then, when we look at every thing, I
don't think we saw a lot of cool lower of
the rings lower stuff. There's tons. If you're like a
lord junkie and you like certain things, I'm not saying
you're like the show, but I think you will appreciate
certain aspects because like, Okay, that's cool, or there's a
different angle there. But we haven't moved too far with
our characters. Maybe one storyline in particular, But and then
there's one storyline that ended up in a place that
I was like, oh, we're back here, and I really
didn't like that. So yeah, I at least enjoyed this
episode more. It was a bit more positive, but there
isn't anything that would end I'm like, oh, I can't
wait to see what happens next week. It's like, Okay,
I just hope that it continually gets better for me.
Second at least get it somewhere near season one quality
for me at least. But I guess the show's been mixed.
There's tons of people that feel like us, sons of
people that I feel like. I think season two's have
gotten big step up, so it's a much like season one.
It seems like it's a divisive show as far as
what people feel about it.
Speaker 2: So leadership's down though it is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was down like nine nine hundred thousand, but
then it still had like good labor day numbers, So
who knows. It's always tough with Amazon because they have
so much money. It's not like Disney's lots of money.
But it's not like with the Act, like got canceled
and it's like, Okay, viewership wasn't there and it costs
a lot, let's cut it. Where Amazon, It's like, are
they even looking at the rings of power like.
Speaker 3: Number like they just being like a half an hour
with their end right Amazon dot Com?
Speaker 1: Are they just happy to have all we got to
loader of the rings sing on the service? Let them let
them do their thing, you know. And that's why I
just don't know that answer. But I do think Amazon
has canceled shows before. I know that sounds dunbe, but
I think they have. So I'm very curious where where,
Like I will probably tell at the end of the season.
If this gets another season, I would say they'd maybe
even do one more just to be like, hey, finish
it out, but you never know nowadays, right, So, but yeah,
viewership supposedly down, but again always tough with online streaming
because who watches Win one because that was the same
thing with House of Dragons that when that came back,
it was down and then it eclipsed the first season.
So I think it's also just these two two and
a half year breaks that shows are on now, people
just get uninvested in stuff very easily. It's not like
back in the day where it's like I knew Dexter
was every fall, it was starting every fall. I knew October,
November ish, maybe September it was around that time. Now
it's not only is it the two years, it's like
we don't even know what months. Sometimes it's just yeah
sometime like even like in those partially Optop before Kirklan
goes like, Ahsoka is filming next summer, it's got a
season two is gonna come out three years after season one,
And that's like that to me is nuts, for like,
how's this taken so long to do a show of this?
Like three years in between a show that's like just
like an okay, like to good star Wars show like
it's it's odd when Youufouri happens. I understand because all
these stars, but I diggress. Maybe that's a bread and
butter topic for another day of the state of TV
and what it's like now. But Kirkhan, what's the state
of Rings of Power after episode four?
Speaker 3: For you?
Speaker 2: What's the state of Rings of Power? I think it's
pretty pretty much the same. I think it would be
too early coming off of my thoughts last week and
this week. I'm just like my overall enjoyment. I mean,
I guess we're halfway through the season, so maybe that
was a fair point to judge my overall thoughts and
as of right now, like I would give a good
thumbs up. I think across the board, I think this episode,
or maybe I'll rephrase that, I think this week's viewing
was a little bit lesser than last week's just because
last week, like I literally had like three hours of
content to just sift through, and then like I don't know,
I had time with all my different characters, pretty much
all the players that are in play right now, Like
I was able to kind of touch upon all of
them last week, or is this this time around? There
was some that were definitely left to the wayside just
because we have one episode versus three, So I think
for that reason, my overall enjoyment was which was much
lesser than last week's, but really really loved. I think
I'm just gonna be saying this all week, every single week,
but the visuals in the show are just mind blowing.
They this show looks so freaking good. It doesn't matter
if it's just like a seal door and some lady
like walking through the woods. I'm just like, man, this
set is just gorgeous right now. Like everything looks so fantastic,
the lighting, all of their costumes, just like every little
brush in the background just looks so magical in a
in a and like not in the sense of it
being like like biolumininess or something like that where it
looks alien. It just it just feels like I'm in
a different world while watching this, even though some of
the scenery does look very earth like. I don't know,
I don't know how to describe it. It's just I
eye candy for me love. I love just the visuals
that I get from the show, and I think that's
like the biggest reason why I would want to rewatch
it more so than like the plot or any character stuff,
pretty much just the visuals, like it just looks so good.
So yeah, that being said, I think there was I
think our main focus this week on the plot lines
are just like now that I'm seeing them separated from
some of the other plot lines that are going on,
I'm like, Okay, this is like, by far my least favorite.
I think characters that were following are maybe just certain
stuff that's going on with the story to I don't know.
I won't specify it in case someone's minor spoilers, but
you spend some time with uh yeah, no, never mind,
I don't even gonna say anything. I don't even know
it's a big spoiler or anything, but I'll just do
you know what's.
Speaker 1: In my name? What?
Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying the focus of this episode.
Speaker 1: That character you're safe, you're safe to drop.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that was known for a while.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, we'll get to that when we get to that.
But uh, I don't know. It's it's not like a
big noticeable drop off, like some big thing that's so
egregious that just ruins the show for me. It's just
I think now that we're halfway through. Someone like me
that loves the world building stuff and like the real
slow plays that I feel like they are big, powerful plays,
but they maybe they're they're not as direct as as
as maybe something. I don't know. I'm really just trying
to trend on the spoiler free section here, but I
just feel like there could be moments in the show
that have like major jumps to the next sequence, and
I think this season overall has not done that at all,
Like we're really taking the long path to it, and
I'm I usually am liking that, but now that we're
already halfway through, it's like, hey, come on, guys, like like,
let's get to the point. I feel like the general
audience members that doesn't work really well for them as well.
Speaker 1: And I think it's because my sister asked me that
she's like, should I watch the show, and because she
did like Lord of the Rings when we watched them
as kids, and she didn't seen them while But I
was like, I don't know, Like I feel like you
do have to love, like love Lord of the Rings
Middle Earth to enjoy this show. I don't know. I
think general audiences would bow out in my op and
they like some have I just mean, like, I just
I don't it. I don't think it has that oh
must watch, can't miss element, you know, and I think
you kind of need that in the show nowadays. You know,
I think a movie can well that's even again Bred
and Butter discussion.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't I don't know if I'm going
to be feeling like that every week. It's gonna be
interesting to kind of look back on. But yeah, right now,
thumbs up. I'm still liking the show. So let's just
dive into it. I'm wonder we're going to say a lot.
Speaker 1: Let's take a dive. So we're going to be right back.
If I'm not seeing the show bow out, We'll do spoilers.
It will be right back. Hey, we're back. And if
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Q t boys. I know where I want to go.
I want to go exactly what Kirk was bouncing around
from him because he's he's talking real He sounded like
Gandalf confused when they're like at the minds of morlah
blah blah, like you know, and he's.
Speaker 2: Like half of you, half as much as well as
you deserve or whatever the hell?
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, where what was the thing you're
dancing around that you want to talk about but you
don't want to be specific.
Speaker 2: No, I was just mostly wanting to say, like, this
is not this is a Harfoot episode and this is
uh an Arondier episode. I feel like those those storylines.
I I'm now realizing I just I'm not that interested
in Irondier and THEO. You know, he's like a strange
I guess, not a strange son, but just the son
that he's trying to get.
Speaker 3: A strange guy.
Speaker 2: He is a strange guy and like a sealed door too.
Like I don't know, we were kind of talking about
it last week, but I just don't really eat this
guy at all in the show, maybe like season three
or or just more of a minor character even just
like the idea of him being around, but just the
more we follow him, I don't know. I'm just really
I find myself checking out in those moments more so
than others. And like I like the heartfleots chemistry when
they bounce off each other. But I don't know. We're
just getting introduced to like the store Hobbits now, and
I just, yeah, I'm not that interested in that. I was.
Speaker 1: I was with you, and I get that they look
like a little cartoonyan kiddy. But when we met the
one guy with his hair literally look like he's been
like electric shock, Like he looks like he's beetlejuice. He
looks like he's beatle juice going on right now. And
it's just that for me, it's like, oh fuck, it's
another thing that's gonna deter us. I'm sure we'll play
into it, and I'm not saying it's gonna be bad,
but just feels like it's another like, Okay, we gotta
keep the stranger busy, to keep them busy, what do
we do, Well, they're gonna meet some other Hobbits and
we got tom Baumberdell, who I like. But it does
feel like, okay, we want to drop, but it's they
I think they try their best. I think that's how
they view Oh we're gonna get viewers because we're gonna
use like Lord of the Ring's lower stuff. But like
no one's tuning in for tom. No one's tuning in
for the ends, you know, but they like doing the
or even a seal door, right, but like no one's
tuning in and say, oh that guy that didn't destroy
the Ring, Like what was it like he met this
woman who he fell in love with? Those men like
I just like these stories. Some of them aren't need
and same thing when they meet these other hobbits. I
was like, oh, no, we're gonna we're gonna be here
for an amount of time that I don't think is
needed and maybe I could be proven wrong. But then
I go, Okay, I don't need this. And then I
watched the episode and I don't think it's overall bad,
but it's just that thinking where it's just like I'm
not interested, I'm not intrigued. I'm like, man, I can't
wait to see what happens next, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm totally with you. Where I like the Heartfoot stuff.
Last season, I feel like it was a mixed bag,
like mostly I think I was positive on it, but
I think sometimes it just went on a bit too long,
and I was glad with where we left it off
of Okay, our two favorite Horrfoots are gonna team up
with Gandalf here the Stranger, and they're gonna go on
an adventure, and that to me is engaging in fun.
I'm like, we had our time with Harfoot's cool, but
I feel like I don't really want every season to
be like, Okay, here's a new Halfling Crew or like
sub race whatever, and we're gonna learn about them. Like
the one part I did like is then they're talking
about like their building of their homes and they they
found this like soft rock that they can burrow in,
and even the Harfoot's like, whoa, they live in the ground.
Like obviously that's kind of closer to the Hobbits that
we know and love from the original trilogy and all that.
So I don't know, there is interesting things in there,
but for me, it's like a couple of little lord details.
But for the most part, like, Okay, this captain person
feels exactly like the guy who is a leader of
like the the Crew, and like the Haarfoot from season one,
and then there's like these goofy side characters and I
just don't really want to do any of this. So
it's too bad that after the Stranger did his big
power and blasted them away, that like they actually got
separated and like might spend the rest of the season apart,
because I think their dynamic was really fun together. So yeah,
I'm not not excited to go ahead with this, and
like nobody in general like that one care the guy
who're talking about beetlejuice hair. To me, that's like, that's
not a Lord of the Rings character. I guess I
just feel like like an old man here where I'm like, oh,
this is different than it used to be back in
the day. But there's just certain things with this episode
that I don't know. They're really taking me out of
Middle Earth and putting me into like I don't know,
Top Earth or some other random place that I'm not.
I'm not it.
Speaker 1: I don't have as much love for unfortunately, and I
think it'd be better today mean to like oh like oh,
like I mean, and I said, Hobbits, I almost would
be fine that if it's like another set of characters
did that, But it's like of course the other type
of little folk have to meet the other type of
little folk. You know, it just feels like, and I
guet they have something to talk about, but it just
feels a little convenient, you know. And it is because
that Gandolf is not there, So it does just feel
like side quests for them both, right, And I think
you're right where. I bet it's gonna be like end
of episode six, somewhere in episode seven that they'll get
back together. And I don't want that because I do
like them together. And that's the same thing. Did they
just introduce some I always forget the other one's name.
It's Perry who sorry Poppy Poppy? Remember I said, oh,
why was it? It was weird in the finale they
made her not go with him and then right away
like no, actually, Poppy's joined with us. Did they just
do that so that character would not be alone with
the other, you know, little people like I'm just saying hobbits.
I don't like saying the little people the other hobbits.
Like that's why I'm like, oh, you just interested Poppy
to maybe have like a crush on a guy, and
like it's another hobbit, Like I don't know, it's just
I'm with you Dan where I like those three even
though that was I think one of the more positive
things I was on the first three episodes was their
connection and their chemistry and that split off for Gandalf
to just I like that actor playing Gandalf, but I
just feel like he's gonna be spoken to for like
three episodes, like continually now, like what he has to do.
It's like bombadel here. You know you're gonna get an
episode where he's in the Dark Wizard's cave and the
Dark Wizard's just gonna be monologuing to him for a
whole episode and everything. And yeah, and even though I
liked the Babbadail character, like I liked he's speaking the roles.
He's not singing, of course, but he's he's speaking in
this way where he's saying things and it's like, what
does that mean? Well, I don't know, we'll find out.
Like I, I enjoy that character and I enjoy the actor,
so that one I like more. But I just two episodes.
That's like fine, but I that's gonna be almost the
rest of gan off season, and yeah, they'll get back
together at the end and then season three they'll be
back on another hike and we'll be exactly where we were,
you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree with you. Guys were
there at the Hobbits at this point, It's like I'd
rather not even have them in the season. I think
it like, if I had to take them but introduce
the Steer Hobbits and like spend screen time with them
and just their shenanigans, I feel like it's just kind
of a rehash from season one. So yeah, I would
honestly rather just not even have them, even though, like
you were highlighting, Travis, like last week, I was really
actually digging their chemistry. I feel like entrying season one,
I didn't I didn't need them, and then just that glimpse,
it's like, Okay, I actually do need them. I do
like this chemistry they have them. They just separate what
the fuck's the point here? Like, like, what's going on?
What are we doing here?
Speaker 1: At least they didn't dying the tornado like Taylor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that was answered pretty quick.
Speaker 3: That was like Kirkling, you preferred that reality. If they
just died in that moment, maybe maybe maybe they.
Speaker 1: Could have killed the other Hobbits that came to find
them and like who are you? And Gennoff accidentally whipped
them up, you know, and then he could have saw
them like oh I killed Poppy and who's a Norrio?
Speaker 2: No?
Speaker 1: But then it was okay, it's fine, you know, not hobbits,
I know.
Speaker 2: But yeah, So talking about bomb Badillo, mister Tom Bombadil,
I expect to.
Speaker 1: Respect this name.
Speaker 2: I feel like I like the the scene more than
I would have expected myself to like it, But like
by the end of it, I'm just like, like, why
did he even have this? Like does the general audience
member have any idea what the fox going on here?
Or like, okay his character is or what he is,
or but like, Dylan, do you know who this guy
is now? After the scene, and like why this is important?
Speaker 3: This is my first introduction to the character proper other
than just Travis rifling off, but Bombadil over the years.
Speaker 1: Okay, take out you this is where you're being a
token lord guy. Take it out. You're oh, why is
he even in there? For the GA who knows something
about He's a colorful character that gave Gandalf what he's
there to do. He gave him his little literal purpose, right,
so he did serve a function in this episode taking
my memi out. He literally said, you're here to fight,
you know, you're here to stop darkness and sorrow. And
he said, like which one he's like both of them?
Like he literally told he gave him his like his
whole life's goal now, right, So that's why I will
push back and like, oh, what's he there for? Well,
he gave Ganda vital piece of information, you know.
Speaker 2: Fair enough, but like, like we're never gonna get this
character explained. I would imagine going forward in this show,
like like like but you need someone is watching this,
Like are they not gonna just be like who the
fuck was that guy? And like like now now we
just have this guy that gave.
Speaker 3: Kind of the vibe with Gandalf, And yeah, he's in
a fellowship where it's like he's just some random ass
guy's really powerful. You don't really know much about him.
You don't know his backstory, he doesn't have like a
wife at home, you know, he's just like he's.
Speaker 2: Just always a wizard.
Speaker 3: That energy to him.
Speaker 2: That's fair. I think that's subconsciously a reason why I
actually like the sequence more than I would have expected,
because it was just him and Gandalf like, like hearing
that he was gonna be in the show, I'm like,
for fox sakes, he's gonna be like teaching a seal
door life lessons here and fight, yeah, exactly, like saving
the day in these big battles, Like that's my worst
case scenario. But I think he's That's why it's like, Okay.
Speaker 3: Heems pretty uninterested in the grander affairs of the world.
Speaker 2: And that's great because that's a great character trait that
he should have, right Like, like he is just so disinterested.
He's the absolute most neutral you can be. He's more
neutral than an ent, right like an chooses a side
in the events of Two Towers, and I I like
how they did keep that energy about him. I obviously
would have liked some singing, but I don't know how
that would.
Speaker 1: Have I think you're gonna think you're gonna we got like.
Speaker 2: A Tom Bombadill's song in the end credit, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he like which was funny when that
hit because it was like, not the remember the song
last week they were talking, but it was just like
it came in. But like he's dropping similar kind of riddles.
I think the rarer. Guy is a trained singer. I
might be wrong, but I feel like you're gonna get
him singing once at least once, you.
Speaker 3: Knowing that one character he has in Men where he's like.
Speaker 1: Oh, he's like you gotta watch Ben after this, Kirk.
But now that you've seen him as Tom Bald, but if.
Speaker 3: You want to see that actor characters, Yeah, and what
I it.
Speaker 1: Was just like a little note. I love that. I
don't know when this character is probably interact with in
this show, interacted with anybody for a while, because Geno
asked him who he was and he didn't even remember
his name. He's like, well, like in this age, they
call me bombed like Tom. But he was like actively
like trying to remember. So it's like, I don't know,
maybe it's been.
Speaker 3: Like yeah, he was like what do they call you?
And he's like, well, no one's called me anything for long.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like for hundreds of years. Maybe no
one's bumped into Tom and he's just doing his gar
and just hanging out.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I liked that. And then he brought his wife like
no wife, but you're here, like that counts as you're
a person, right, Like I liked his I like the
back and forth of it, and I, like I said
meme aside, I did enjoy that seeing that sequence, and
I agree with you carew. I don't want him out there.
I don't want to also be like, well, I'll be
with you. I just think it will be next episode
they're gonna talk some more and he's gonna send gan
Off on his way, and that'll be it. There's, I guess,
always a chance because he was the one that did
bring like they talked about the Dark Wizard a little bit,
so there's always a chance you can interact with him.
But I don't know if it is. I don't know
if it's by like I'm gonna help you take him down,
which should I'm not sure.
Speaker 2: Then we can revisit that, but I hope it's purely
just like an advisory type role that he has. I
like the idea of him very indirectly kind of like
helping push along the events because like, although he's a
super neutral character, doesn't get involved in things. You can
make the argument that if Gandalf never had this conversation
with him, like we never had the gownd Off later on,
I know the you know the Peter Jackson, the other
Lord of the Rings story is completely separate uh canon canonically,
but I do like that idea at least if he
just has it's interesting because it is like words of advice,
but it's like it's like written in a riddle to
like more so than more so than like a professor
trying to like just have a really eloquent way of
like getting a point across. I feel like Tom Bombadil
just like says things and then people like take meanings
from it and then he's just like, oh, okay, you
took it that way, and like that's just kind of
how it is. It's not like he's saying things to
have a direct like like answerable question, if that makes
any sense.
Speaker 1: And except he was directing this episode and he's like
you're here to defeat Darkness and so on.
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's not perfect. Yeah he's nowhere near perfect.
Tom Bombadill, you definitely wasn't singing as much.
Speaker 3: Like he's like giving him a quest list to be
like okay, so first exactly and then like this looks
like he might go buy hall Bron Like he's not
you know, not give at least yet, he's not giving
him that detail.
Speaker 1: His Orcs killed him one day in his tower, and I.
Speaker 2: Was one of them. I was in that mother bus stuff.
Speaker 3: Kela Brimbour has a hard on for him or whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't talk to him. He's an idiot, you know.
He knows no songs, no songs. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, as I said, this is my kind of
first true introduction to this character. So far, I'm liking him.
I mean it's it's like not a lot has happened yet,
but I like some of the conversation we have going on.
I love the actor. I think he's he's a great
pick for someone like this, and he's always like everything
I've seen him and he's just like completely different, yeah,
in the way he acts. He's just a very versatile guy.
So I think he's probably a good pick for a
character like this. And yeah, so I definitely have some
lower questions about him. But I think for me, like
whenever we look at Lord of the Rings, you know,
there's the Man, there's the elves, there's a dwarves, there's
the Orcs, but it's like always like that. The Wizards
have like just such an interesting ethereal essence to them,
like so much mystery around them. And even like through
our retrospectives that we do with the movies and Kirkland
talking with you and like just getting a lot of
information there. My other friend Cody, who knows a lot
of this lore asks He's like, taught me a lot
about these these characters and their history and whatnot. And
I still feel like, even though I learned some things,
there's still so much I have questions about. And that's
what I like. I never feel like I want to
know everything about them, you know, I want there to
be that mystery there. But even because Saremon and Gandalf
are fantastic characters and even radigas you know, all movies
aren't perfect, but I still like what's going on there,
just because it is so weird and different and interesting.
So I'm curious where Bombadil falls in that chain of command.
He's talking about how he's been around since before there
was trees and stuff, so but he's not in that
what is it? What are they called East Star? Is
it what he was calling him here?
Speaker 2: Is Star? So the Stari that's like what the wizards are,
that's what they're word for them.
Speaker 3: So he where does Bombadil fall in relation to that?
In terms of his backstory.
Speaker 2: That's something that's never been like actual concrete. Like there's
theories that he is a room like a ru of Louvitar,
basically the one god, like the one that made everything,
the one that sends Gandalf back personally when he when
he when he dies. I don't like that that the
I mean like yeah, like they're all fan theories because
none of it is actually confirmed. Like the most accurate
description is that it's literally just a character that Tolkien
and his brother like made up just like during their stories,
to just have a character that they made up any stories,
so that it's like a reoccurring thing. That's why it's
like it's really.
Speaker 3: Interesting that they make up all the characters that that doesn't.
Speaker 2: Make like like like I guess not attached to the world,
like like someone separate from like what's the way to
describe like like, oh, you never saw the matrix that
was gonna make a matrix reference there, but like a
character that's like a part of the story, so like uh,
souron Gandalf, even like certain gods would be of that,
like they're contained to the physics of the story of
Lord of the Rings. But then Tom would be someone
that's like interdimensional type character, Like.
Speaker 3: He's like he's like the Watcher.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, like like it could be in in that,
but then he can.
Speaker 3: Like can insert himself into the world at points too.
Speaker 2: I I don't know about that because it's just never
been I think he could, but.
Speaker 1: I think he's no interest in it. I think he
has no interest in And I think that's one thing
that I've always taken from with my theory is maybe
there was a time that he had some urgency, but
because he has been alive for so long, he's just
kind of lost that and he's seen so much and
maybe learned so much. And I think that's where in
the Chan commn, I don't think to me, he's like this,
like he's like an outlier. He's like the even though
he could be all powerful, he's like the black Sheep
of the Wizards, where it's like, yeah, like Tom's like
one of us, but he's not really a part of
the family, you know, Like he's like twice removed, Like
he has all this stuff, but I don't think he's
concerned at all. He's just kind of like an outlier
to everything going on. Why to like I know, Karoon
give the explation why like took an action introduce him.
I really don't know because I think I guess maybe
he just want a fun character, and I guess like
he does provide some levity. I feel when you're reading
the books, like he's kind of like a he's kind
of like a goofy your character at times right in
his song. So I think he's just to add some
moments and now that he doesn't pop into the middle
of Helm's Deep or anything like that, don't get me wrong.
It's more at the beginning when Frodo was starting his jury.
I can't remember where they bump into Like I'm trying
to think of the movies because the Ben and Whilston's
a reddit where they it would it's a bit in
between the Shion prancing Pony, him and Sam bump into
him like.
Speaker 3: Go to another Shired town or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the Shire sequence is really long in the book,
and like I don't know if it's exactly the Shire,
but like Hobbiton in general, like that is where they
find him. Yeah, and you know, like old Bill, it's
like their horse that they have. And then when they
get to Maria, he sends Sam, sends old Bill away,
and like in the book, that's basically one of Tom
Bombadill's like not his horse, but like his companion. So
like he just walks back to Tom Bombadil after that
sequence of the story, and that's where it's like he
has influence in the world. That's what's interesting. It is like, yeah,
you could maybe Jobham to being a wizard, you could
job him to be a god. Like that's what's interesting
about him is there's so many theories and none of
them like you can't say all of them are wrong
or all of them are right. Like it's just because
we don't have concrete answers onto the character. And to me,
that's what makes him kind of interesting because he is
just such an outlier amongst every other character that Tolkien
has made in this world.
Speaker 1: Because maybe he is helping. If that's his pony, there
could be a backwards way, you know, indirectly helping.
Speaker 2: So like the easy answer for what Tom Bombadil is
he's just Tom Bombadill. And then what it is, yeah, just.
Speaker 1: Whatever you want to be, whatever you want him to be, Yeah,
because because we don't we don't actually know, so he
I think, I mean clearly his own description of himself.
Speaker 2: He's been in there at like very very long, Like
he's calling Gandalf basically a child in this moment, right,
Like Gandalf has been here for not a very long time,
and he's been there very very very very very long time,
like probably even longer than the Trees, which is like
basically the start of the world. So yeah, it's a
long time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting character on in terms of that Gandalf element
of it, I think this is like just one of
those things with prequels where it's like, I don't think
I want this Gandalf like storyline where he doesn't know anything.
I was hoping that, like, okay, he can't. He come down,
he comes down from his meteor thing. He's obviously like
very fuzzy on the details. He doesn't know what's going on.
He's got like, you know, a coded message that's like
telling him where he needs to go, what he needs
to do. But I was hoping that I guess he
would just kind of like shake it off at some
point and then not be the exact same as he
would be by the time like Fellowship or even the
Hobbit rolls around. Uh, But I don't know. I don't
know if I'm ready for this like Gandalf like training
sequence learning stuff. We'll see if it becomes interesting and
works out, but I guess it's just not. It's just
one of those prequel things that I don't really need
to see Gandalf learning these things personally.
Speaker 1: To me, it's like you want to see Gandalf being
Gandalf in a different time, right, And that's something where
I wish Taya was here. That's what I would give
the prequels credit for is what they did with obi Wan,
where there's parts where I had to learn his over Wan.
But when you meet him a fan of Menace, he's
pretty much obi Wan and he's an apprentice. And the
good thing with the benefit they have is each movie
they do a time jump, right, but it's like, Okay,
here's o we Wan as apprentice, here's him as a
night and then here's him as a master. Where this
is just literally like we have to form Gandalf almost
like Tom said, like from a child to the character
we know, you know, and I do wish it was Okay,
this is Gandalf. He had that, you know, the inspiration, need,
the reveal he's with Nori now see some adventures of
him as Gandoff of course, learning and becoming more like
the character we know in love, but he still seems
very much like just like a a creative character, like
he's your character when you open up elden Rings, like
I want to create character, I'll create Gandalf and he's
just learning everything like that's where he's still just this
avatar that he And it's odd though, because he has knowledge,
like I said that last week, where there's times where
he'll say things to knowing them where it's like, well
this doesn't make sense because he shouldn't have this, but
he's starting to remember it. So I'm kind of with
you where I wish we got I don't know if
I need I don't even know if I need him
to do the your missions are on and just defeat Eatable.
I kind of wish he'd like get there by himself,
you know, like maybe see something and be like what's this,
Like oh well that's X, Y and C, that's sor
that's at our and be like, well I should do something.
I have these gifts. I could help people, even though
it was just maybe the Dark Wizard will do that
showing how to control his gifts but like his powers
and everything. But yeah, I don't know, that's that's a
tough thing. I just feel like he's gonna get a
lots of exposition the rest of the season, and I
don't want that.
Speaker 3: I also feel like the character he you know, he
wants a goal accomplished and he'll work towards it, but
he's often like trying to help others achieve that goal,
and I've always liked that angle from it. And part
of it is just like, Okay, obviously he can't take
the ring in fellowship because if he turns evil, that's
really bad news for one. But I still feel like
in general, he he just like rises other people up,
and so I'm curious to see if that's what's gonna
happen here. I mean, I imagine part of this training
sequence has learn him learning how to like contain his
powers and use them more effectively. But I'm curious whatever
other kind of roles they will take in terms of
like how it'll affect his personality or disposition. I don't know,
we'll see if that's just something that like oh the
gandal that we're used to isn't like his old age,
and he's kind of got he's more wisdom now, and
that's why he wants to get other people to accomplish
these goals rather than himself. And maybe at this point
in his life where he's young and spry, even though
he's still got a big gray beard, maybe he wants
to be more active in taking down evil and forces
actually wants to stab sore On in the face.
Speaker 2: Potentially, Yeah, potentially.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: For for what we've gotten with the characters so far,
I think I would have preferred if he was I
wouldn't say not in the show, because I do like
what Travis said of just like I do like coming
into it. I did want to see what this is star,
what this Gandalf would have been like like in this era,
because I don't really know what his early journeys were
like when when he first came to Mound to Earth,
so that could have been really cool, and now that
we're not getting that, I really would have just been okay.
If he's like an extreme extreme like Sidecarre, not not
like an extra, but like he's doing things in the
world that we're not seeing on screen, and then and
then he just checks in with our main characters every
once in a while, and like you said, Dylan, like
just kind of uplifting other characters and not just making
them morale higher, but just like giving them little assistance
as they need. Because yeah, I I Gandalf is one
of my favorite Lord of the Rings character of all time,
arguably my favorite. I truly love that character so much,
pretty much for what was just showcased. I mean entirely
because of what was showcased in the in the Lord
of the Rings novel and the Hobbit and just those materials.
So this is a very different character than what we
get there, and and so far, I'm just really really
not I don't know, I don't hate it. I just
really don't like it. And I'd rather spend screen time elsewhere,
like with with Anatar and you know, our other elves,
these other guys.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't well, you know a lot of other
elf action this episode.
Speaker 2: Well, I like, I like a Rondier as a character.
I just I don't know, I want him interacting with
others other than a little dry yeah, yeah, and I yeah,
that's a good point. Actually, I mean, maybe maybe I
need a dwarf to pair up with them, you know,
the classic legless Gimley pairing up. But I really love
all of our Dwarf characters. I feel like, you know,
not to just follow the trend of pairing up an
Elf with a Dwarf, but I just feel like that
would be a more colorful personality to bounce off of him,
because like you said, like he is very dry, but
I his lover all the l's are what's right.
Speaker 1: They're kind of dry too right now, like el ell
on Gladral there in like war mode. So it's just
like and they're chosen to do the storyline where of
course they're not getting along, which I'm like, I don't
know how much I'm into this. I'd rather than just
be I guess it's not compelling the issues they're having,
so I'd rather them just be getting along deciding we're
gonna take down sorrow, you know. But this like this
like brother sister, like having a mini feud. It's like,
I don't know, it just you gotta kind of get
your stuff together. And I didn't mind the whole battle,
but even when they're like she's doing it to save us,
and I was like, no, for the ring, and it's
just like I get what he was saying, but he
made it sound like, nah, she didn't give a fuck
about any of elves. It was actually just the ring
she was cared about. And man, I was so bummed
when she did cool action scene like little moments right
through like an axe and she like use it to
literate like later arrows, and then she shot like very fun,
cool stuff going on there. Actually wish it was longer.
But then when she's on the ground and she turns
around and it's at our, I'm like, ah, fuck, Like
here we go again, like there was, We're just gonna
get the reverse of last season. There's an episode where
she had at Our captive and they had a conversation
and that's what we're getting this time, and I'm like already,
But then I go, right, we're midway through the season
and as I said before, I just am not digging
the orcs and at her right now, so I'm like, oh,
like even then, it's just like a ladrils, like like
what are like, what are we even doing with the ladril?
Even right now? As far as okay, she's on this mission.
She wants to protect this ring, and I get it,
even though it's like did you need to do this,
like get on your horses and just ride or run.
And I found this scene very cheesy where the Orcs
think to hear something and they shoot and oh, we
didn't hear anything, and then the guy get there. I
just it's like he was quiet for the whole thing,
and oh, it was like the most over acted. And
then of course they use the ring and heel and everything.
But h so there's moments. I liked that sequence. But again,
I just I think lat was just gonna get the
Gandalf treatment where maybe they'll have an interesting conversation. Maybe
I've got that part in the rewatch. I can't remember
if I enjoyed that episode, but from the recaps, I
remember just Adur was explaining that Sarron was back and
she was getting that confirmed. Right, So is this just like, yeah,
you were right, he's back, you know, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like I don't know from what I
gotten from the trailers, Like it's almost like an enemy
of my enemy type situation, right, like like they're gonna
be unifying to uh thin on Saron, and I don't
know just from the trailers, I'm like, I don't like this,
I don't know, I don't know what's going on here,
and then I kind of forgot about that sequence until
this moment happened in this episode. I'm like, oh, fuck,
now we're getting into that. So yeah, I kind of
had the same reaction that you had there, Travis, which
is kind of funny, but yeah, visually looked fantastic. I
I liked l Round in season one, but so far
I'm really not liking this just whiny version of him. Yeah,
And like when they're like trying to choose the direction
and he's like the leader now, so it's like, no,
my my rule is law, and I'm just like, and
why clearly isn't gonna go well, like, clearly should listen
to the Ring Bear. Yeah, yeah, let the ring Bear decide,
he should have said, but.
Speaker 1: And why is he the leader? Remember we tell his
last few episodes ago, like his elves tried to arrest
him a couple episodes ago, and when we talked about that,
he was already singing with the group and they didn't care.
But just feels odd that he like breaks this rule
and he's completely he is outwardly said I'm not for
you guys, using the ring I don't agree with your plan,
like he's every turn said I glad you in company.
I disagree with you. He should not be the leader
of the mission. He could be a part of it,
but he should not be the number one, you know
guy in my opinion, Like I agree with his sentiment
because I still said that we talk. Okay, the rings
are good, that's fine. But I understand his character's point
of view of hey, these could be messed up and
let's not use him or let's wait and see. So
I get that, But if he's so opposed to you,
I don't understand why he is the shot caller right because.
Speaker 2: Of our great High King gil Khaled character that's gonna
outlast all of these characters pretty much, does he?
Speaker 3: He?
Speaker 2: I guess not. I guess he dies the Battle of
the Last Alliance. Say you're right, Elron gets his ring,
so there you go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Gladrel lives on so and technically a sil
door lives past him.
Speaker 2: Ring right actually, so yeah, never mind put into a
stock in this guy.
Speaker 1: How much off topic? How long does the Silda have
the ring? Did they specify in the books after he
gets it? It looks like weeks, But.
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty fast, Like he doesn't have it
that long. It's not like it's not like a weekend.
Speaker 3: How much of it too long?
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going back to the woods to show that lady, look,
you can leave your husband now I have a ring.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I this this eleven stuff. For me, it's it's
a bit disappointing so far. There are some good things,
like I I it's weird. I I liked the sequence
with Guadriil popping off, even if she ended up failing
in the end. I really did not like the battle
with the the barrow Whites is what they called them.
To me, that's another things that's alluding to in the
non spoiler section. That's not Lord of the Rings. To me,
that's like two dark souls or like too diablow, Like
it's too high fantasy.
Speaker 1: I feel like the Dead though, like Return of the King.
I feel like that.
Speaker 3: To me, there's like a distinct difference between the Army
of the Dead and these guys, and it's just it's
just not it was not all working for me, Like
it looked good visually, and the idea of like them
getting stabbed and then they kind of recombined is cool.
And all, but yeah, just it just to me it
was too high fantasy versus to me, like Lord of
the Rings is kind of like in between like mid
and high fantasy. It's like perfectly in the middle there
where they kind of hold back on some of those things.
So I don't know, I didn't didn't love that section necessarily,
but I think the stuff prior to that, like it
was minimal, but I liked it where it was just
like a little travel, little mini travel sequence of them
getting to that bridge and then when they go to
like the dark Woods and that's kind of when everything
goes down. But I think, like I feel like in
season one, end this season, the province or the Woods
of Linden, whatever that is, it's been like one set piece.
We pretty much just get, like the one like Gill
Gallad's like thrown airy where he's looking down, and then
we saw like the one dinner table I think when
the Dwarves came in season one, and I can't remember
like many other areas, like it just feels it feels
like such a small area, even though I know it's
probably this huge, massive, sprawling zone and so I just
like seeing a little bit more of it. Like there's
one sequence when they're just getting ready to leave, Elron
and Gladra having a little conversation there where she's like
still salty that he got promoted, but she kind of
like is like, you know what, I do still respect
you enough that like let's just get it done. Like
I'll get these I'll bring the people into this crew.
And even the set piece they had there, I feel
like they actually like that one set, even though it's small,
was probably a super expensive and it was just from
a random little scene that they could have filmed once
again in that same zone that they've done everything else,
and so I like just seeing a little different section
with some different like housing structures and then any yeah,
just drone like zoomed out footage of like characters running
over hills and Lord of the Rings. That's like, that's
my favorite stuff of all time. So to get a
couple of those scenes that really worked for me. But
I think the unfortunate part here is that the the
rest of the Elves and this crew are just like
no name NPCs, like no personality to them, and so
I can't really buy into like them as this crew,
and like it's not really the purpose because they all
like two of them die right away and then they're
all like going back to Lindon immediately, except for glad girl,
who who knows where she's gonna end up, or at
least that's what they said here. I'm sure they're gonna
go and try and save her if they if they know,
But yeah, it's just uh there clearly wasn't a lot
of effort put into like making the rest of this
crew interesting, but I just they just feel way too
young and like immature for what I expect for Elves,
and I guess that's just par for the course for
prequel territory. But once again, I don't know, not my
Lord of the Rings.
Speaker 1: And especially for me too. I thought they're even though
they have their little rivalry going on, I thought, Okay,
eventually that'll break apart and they'll get back together. But
the fact that there el Ron and Gladra are already
broken apart, it's like, oh, it's just l roun with
these Elves and now so maybe that's even it to
where I feel like maybe being really hard on Adar,
but maybe it's just the fact of just she's just
back to kind of doing what she was doing last season,
where other than having you know, Surron with her. She
was always jumping around to new character to kind of
talk with new character. Talk was I thought, okay her
with a base of elves, el Ron, maybe those younger
Elves they can build up the characters we like, because
she said that one else's life, So maybe next episode
he could talk to her and thank her and they
could be something going on. I'm not saying romantic. I
was just like just something to go, Oh, okay, I
care about these characters now, right, But now she's just
off there and I don't think el Ron maybe maybe
I hope that he'll have some good conversations with these
Elves and he can maybe he'll reflect and see his
errors and decide to trust Glladal. But I don't know
if I get that vibe from what we've gone right now.
They just felt like they were kind of cannon farr
and it just it also feels weird, like I guess
it's the Ring, but just like I don't know. I
thought I was supposed to be pretty well. I just
thought that they could take down these orcs. I guess
I just didn't know why, or.
Speaker 3: They should have gone with a way bigger crew and
like I feel like, yeah, yeah, that too, a little
bit smarter as like a crew. Yeah, not even just
like the crew that went out, but just the elve
like in general r Yeah, deciding like how many people
are gonna go on this mission? Yeah, maybe they'll bump
into the now because they fucked up so bad now
Soron's just gonna keep meddling with people's minds and ringing,
and that's gonna just get so much worse. We were
talking about like delayed they were to even send this
party out, and now this party fucked up, and so
it's like, God, you guys are complete failures over here.
Speaker 1: Yeah no Elves, But I guess that is the point, right,
They like they fuck up so like the everything happens
in lowder of the Rings, right, So I guess that's
always a tough thing, right where we're like, oh you
should be. I guess it's just I wish there was
a way you can make the characters smarter and then
just the bad guys even more clever, and that brings
up the bad guys, right, and instead of what my
problem was with the first Rapsods was just like, oh,
these guys are all idiots. They're just making dumb decisions.
So why do I care that Sarn's like the bad guy,
he's he's dealing with children. But no Sar on this episode,
as we mentioned, not even a hint of him or
end credit or anything. So I know calburn Borne anything
like that. No Dwarves. So let's take another ad break
that when we were back and we are back, Kirkling,
I said, I saw your mouth moving wake.
Speaker 2: In my mouth, my lips were moving, like like the
thing from nineteen ninety four Fantastic four war Was I
going to, Oh, yeah, just like that's always been a
problem with me, And like anytime I have, like you know,
bring up Warhammer for example, when you're doing a faction
of Elves, it's always just like broke my mind in
the sense of like like balancing of a game or
like an army like the show like that, right, Like
like you can't just have one l feel take on
a thousand Orcs, even though in my mind I feel
like not to that level maybe, but like at least
ten orcs, Like I feel like one Elf soldier that's
been alive for thousands of years. That is just like
they can split an arrow, you know, uh yeah, split
an arrow with their own arrow from like thousands yards away. Like,
I just I see these individuals that have been alive
for so long to just be like those master master swordsman. Now,
you know, visually, that's probably gonna be pretty boring if
you just have like a crew of like ten elves
that just can't be defeated, like they do have to
have some struggle. So that's something I just try and
look past. But I think in this episode in particular,
it definitely stood out more of like these elves are
just so stupid. Like imagine living hundreds upon hundreds of
years whatever these elves are living, and then you just
get fucking bobbed by these little orcs that have been
around for like twelve weeks whatever the hell their life
cycle is. Like I I don't know, I'm normally able
to look past it, but I just think because of
the actual execution of it, they just do look really
dirty in this episode and really stupid. And I think
that's just gonna be a thing going for Like there's
just gonna be elves that just get bopped and look stupid.
But I don't know, I I'm kind of in the
middle on the whole barrel White sequence because I think, yeah,
visually it looked amazing. I did like the combat in general.
I like them kind of mentioning some like history of
just like the ancient weaponry and how like like just
regular swords aren't killing these things. It's it's like somewhat
trying to like fill in the gaps on like what
the barow Whites are. Technically these things shouldn't even be
around until like the third age if I'm not mistaken,
Like that's kind of a major difference canonically of just
just what these barrow Whites are. But I don't know.
I did like their inclusion nonetheless, for just like the
visual of it, even though the actual fighting of like
the elves with them and the elves with the Orcs
I wasn't a big big fan of. And I think
also just leading to this episode, I can't remember if
they showcased a lot of battle. They at least showed
the barrel Whites and the trailer, but I was just
expecting these scenes to hit a lot more than maybe
they did for me, So I was a little bit
of a letdown there.
Speaker 1: Yeah, just what kind of random just like, oh, they're here,
and then they explained it. I don't mind it because
I like the I like the visual. It was a
fun little moment, but I thought it was gonna be
maybe a bit bigger deal.
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, I feel like a lot of the white
they were just standing in the background, like watching as
like one would fight. At a time, it was the
duets stunted.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't have much to ad like cool
to see some ents, I don't. I think we've told
it before.
Speaker 2: I don't get lives lives here.
Speaker 1: I don't know much to add on the elphan, his
adopted son, I I guess already in this episode seems
like that son's kind of I won't say forgiving him,
but he's like, you know so bad, you know, like,
but they're both of their own things, so they're gonna
be separated. So I don't know what they're gonna do
with that kid character to get me intrigued all him separately.
But I'm opening again the elf will bump into maybe
our other elves l Ron or some point. Maybe that'll
just even make him more fun. I don't mind him
being like a just kind of stern elf, because sometimes
those elves have a lack of personality. So I don't
mind that he gets some cool action stuff, but yeah,
not much here for me. I actually did, like I
forgot the name the lady that's with a seal door.
That's we weren't sure if she's a fraud or what
the deal is. But really like that he just caught
that right away. Yeah, I thought that was really cool
of just like he's like nicely asking her questions, but
it's very a detective way where he's already knows something's
up here. This is an ad up. So I actually
like now the wild man on her yeah, or just
a burn too, you know, So I just like that
if for example, here I like to think of Elves
maybe being a little higher in the food team. As
far as swits to me, he showed it right there
of right away he picked up on it. And then
he you know, bent her neck down. So I'll look
at this mark. And again I thought, I actually didn't
mind what they did with her character. At first, she
goes no, no, like I just wanted to get rid
of the mark because they would have trusted me. And
then in the middle episode when she pulled the sword
on a cyelder, I wasn't sure of Okay, was it.
The story is she's still actually like an agent of
Ador and like working with them, so I think, and
even then I still think they're leaning towards she's not.
We met her like betrothed and we have to see
a Sildor just be like coucked out, like oh my god,
like this sucks, but like, yeah, I I liked the
wits he got there, but that's about Yeah. Again, I'm
saying with a Sealdor, I think we're all in that
bandwagon if I've not enjoyed this character too much for
such a massive character down the line.
Speaker 2: But you know, just because you have an interesting moment
in your life doesn't mean your whole life is interesting,
and you haven't realizing that with the sealed door here,
yeah that's true.
Speaker 1: And again we always joke he was an idiot, right
and lord of the Rings he's you know, he didn't
give up the rings, so you know.
Speaker 2: So it chopped off sour on his hand though that's
something not even glad you could do.
Speaker 1: I guess it's like a very like I don't think. Yeah,
definitely he was more smy and over confident. You know,
he's he's taken. He just killed dads, He's like pimping off.
Speaker 2: Like tended it is injured. He's like, oh uh I
get breathe, I'm winded, and then just stabs him in
the hand.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I I'm trying to think what I have
to add to this sequence. I thought it was it
was similar how you said, Travis that they with Poppy
last season, how it's like, oh, she's gone. Then at
the start of the season, like she's just instantly back
with the crew. It's like, why'd you even do that.
I felt a little bit of that energy with Estrid
where we had that kind of teaser sizzler at the
end of the last I think it was episode three
when we see the reveal of her like burning off
the ad our symbol, and I thought we were gonna
like play with that for a while, but it was
just like once again at the start is episode, like
Eron was like, hey, I know you got on your
neck there. I can smell the skin burning. So it
was just a bit too quick. I maybe wish we
like went a little bit back and forth, whereas we
kind of revealed now there still is some mystery around
her character. Where does she stand. She's quite an erratic character,
which adds some intrigue to some of these scenes, no doubt.
But yeah, I think some of the like the love
triangle stuff is a bit weaker for me just because
of the maybe acting quality from some of these people,
or just even just the scenes in general. And like, yeah,
whenever we're at these sequences right now with the co
seal door and stuff, I'm just immediately slightly more checked
out than like other storylines as well, So maybe that's
that's part of it. The ants, I thought they were Okay,
I didn't. I didn't love the CGI like it. It
doesn't look bad, but I'm just you know, I'm very
much like old man over here. I just love the
way the ants look in back in my original trilogy there.
So they're just a bit too shiny and CGI glistening
these days and something about like the dark grittiness that
they had back in the day. So I don't know,
maybe that's just a me issue, but yeah, this sequence
didn't really work for me that much. I didn't really
like the mud trap situation like they they I think
they kind of did that to show where does Astid
sign like she had the ability to flee there, but
she went and got the stick to save them. To me,
it was just a bit too much of them trying
to be like, oh you remember that octopus sequence before
the Minds of Moria, like all we can we can
do that too. It is like the same thing the stick,
you know, and uh, them getting sucked in so I I,
I don't know they've been they've they do that every
once in a while on the show where they'd like
either have a very similar line of dialogue or a
sequence that's like kind of like a callback to what
we've seen, you know, previously, And in this case, it
didn't didn't really work for me. It was just like
a boring little mud pit sequence.
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, they had a nameless thing in here
that was kind of a cool little moment. That's a
creature that around here slices up from the inside. They
get gulfed up. So the nameless things are just a
cool Simarillian type cannon thing where just during the Song
of the iin Ore, just discourse was going on, and
some of those discourses were the nameless things. Uh, you
all interacted with the nameless thing in the great film
Fellowship of the Ring. That's the thing that grabs them
and Maria. Uh so they're basically just creatures that are
just evil and they're just nameless and they're just ancient.
And I just like that idea of there're just.
Speaker 3: They're not nameless. So they're called dinner.
Speaker 2: Now the once called nameless. Uh No, you're right, but
I I I did like just I don't know, just
having that there, like just giving the name of the
nameless being in there. It's just more world building stuff.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just the line of dialogue was very similar,
was like you don't know what lurks in the Yeah,
the world is very similar to that, because that has
I think it's when they're in Mario when Gandalf says
that line, right when they're like sitting on the steps.
Is that when he drops that line.
Speaker 2: I think when he's trying to figure out to open
the door.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, like the Hobbits.
Speaker 2: Like tossing stones, it's like you never know what it looks.
Whatever the hell he says, don't disturb the water.
Speaker 3: I think that's all my notes this.
Speaker 2: I don't really have much else to really touch upon.
I really don't have much, like at all on the
sould dour stuff other than what you guys mentioned and yes,
it's just which we spent some time elsewhere.
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think, yeah, we've got those
assassins that still just threatening people saying, oh.
Speaker 2: My, I laughed so hard when the Dark Wizard was
just like he's like, what happened? You took the job?
Speaker 1: Whatever?
Speaker 2: The fuck? There their conversation is there, and then I
like how he's just like, I'll deal with the a Star,
like you just focus on the on the Hobbits now
essentially like the hard Foots and why this whole thing started,
because it's like they took the task to assassinate the
Star and then it's like, how are you gonna get them? Well,
I'm gonna attack his weakness, which is the Hobbits, and
now they fucking lost the job to take on the Istar.
And now he's like, well, just take on the Hobbits.
That was like your little side quest that you took on.
But you know, guys are kind of goofballs. They they're badass.
Repeaked when I first saw them, and then that like,
the more they're on screen, I just not impressed with
these assassins.
Speaker 1: And you know what's gonna happen. They're gonna find them
in the other Hobbits, and there's gonna be like some
comedic way that they like outsmart them and like Hobbit
tree and everything.
Speaker 2: And whimsical music going on during the sequence too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's it.
Speaker 2: No other notes, noteless Well there you go, noteless ones.
Speaker 1: Or I call it geek first, but we Well, I'll
be back. I'll be on the road. I got a
field trip. I'm not I'm appropriate field trips. I got
a trip next week go to see some wrestling, so
I'll be in Seattle. So next week you're gonna get
the Poblows with the as. So long as are all here,
Dylan Kirkland antef you know why they're called the Poblows.
Check out this weekend when bread Butter drops. There some
fun things to be discussed there. But uh yeah, hopefully
you guys have a good time. Hopefully guys enjoyed this episode,
enjoy all the other coverage of all the other stuff
we're talking about here on the feeds. Everyone have a
good weekend, and we'll talk to you next week, and
I promise you it'll not be boring.
Speaker 2: Bye.
Speaker 3: Why