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Speaker 1: It's not right. Hell, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome back

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to the Rings of Power. Oh I Dan Tyler Season two,

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episode four spoilers of you. I'm dropping the clown Prince

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this week, and I'm a bomba del boy Tress Snell

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and I'm joined.

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Speaker 2: By I'm not a harfoot Kirkland Patzer.

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Speaker 3: I'm a wild man ill mus wow man.

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Speaker 1: I was gonna say, because I was thinking about I

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said offcast. I was gonna hum that House of Dragon theme,

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and it's not how stringing oviously can anyone hum me

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the theme of this? Is it like implanting your brain yet?

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Because I find it's a yeah. I find it's a

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nice song, but it's not catchy per se, you know.

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Speaker 2: Ever since you said the Game of Thrones one, now

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that's all I can hear, so I kind of corrupted

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me in that sense. I can see the visuals of it.

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I love like the intro itself, but I would agree

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I don't think the song is.

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Speaker 3: I do not like the intro, which is why I don't.

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I skip it, and then I probably am not getting

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the theme ingrained in my brain.

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Speaker 1: That's fair. I like the intro. I watched it. I

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think each time last week, but this week I did

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skip it as I think I've had you know, I

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like it, but it's not like a I gotta see

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it every time, you know. But even then, like there's some.

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Speaker 3: I feel like you don't have time for. No TV

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intro these days, no moving around a table like come on,

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movie doing here?

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Speaker 2: I feel like I used to skip it. Now I

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watch it. I found out that it's supposed to be

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like like a recreation of the song of the iin Ore,

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which is supposed to be like what created the universe.

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So since I heard that fact, I'm like, I want

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to see this, And then I don't really get the

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audio like uh like attachment to it. But I guess

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it's just more of the visuals of the way things

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are ebbing and flowing in that way. But looks great

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visuals you know of the show remain remain fantastic, even

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in the.

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Speaker 1: Intro, dealing per conversation, off cast, the pop shops, our

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key flair. I don't think it's going to be a

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returning purchase for me one and done, No, one and done,

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but you know it's not one? Then is this show?

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Because we got we're funny enough now we're halfway, because

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right we talked about yeah, halfway, we're at the halfway mark. So, uh,

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mister Muss, what did you think of? Also, last week

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we talked about whole batch of episodes, so a little

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different back reality and I just solid out or so

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did that help? Are you still kind of feeling a

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little bit man on the show? How these characters going?

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So where were you now at the halfway mark of

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season two?

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Speaker 3: Well? Sorry, one more tangent because I want to share

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one other thing, which is, yesterday we did a review

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for Beetlejuice. Go check that out. Yes, but at Beetlejuice,

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I got the trailer for War over here him there.

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I got to say, getting that trailer on the big

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screen got me way more hyped than when we talked

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about on a newscast and I saw the first time.

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So I just wanted to share that that. You know,

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we're all somewhat negative or fairly negative on that trailer

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when we talked about on the Newsgays coupb weics ago,

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some of these three D effects they have going on

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some of these characters, the colors really popping it was

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looking good, and I'm getting a little more excited for

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that show.

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Speaker 1: And I will agree with you. And I said that

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to Taylor. I'm like, oh, looks better on the big screen.

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He said, ah, hurt my eyes. So Taylor did not

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get usually out on that review. Yeah, Taylor did not

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get more excited. But yeah, I heard one person behind me, oh,

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the lowther Ring's anime nice. So still don't think it's

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gonna do the best, But yeah, it did look like

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a little bit better blown up, like a little more.

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so it doesn't matter to me because I'll just be unavailable.

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even if I could sneak away to maybe with the

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kids maybe later on. But yeah, I'm glad you brought

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Speaker 3: So yeah, well, anyway back into episode four here, I

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don't know if I it's hard to say you always

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really not hyped on those first three episodes. I don't

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think anything really changed this week. I'm not terribly negative

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on anything in particular, but I'm also not very positive

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on anything, so I feel like I'm just coasting so far.

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the second half here, but in terms of where we've

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gone with some of the characters, this is very different episode. Actually,

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it was a law of action. It's felt like a

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lot of action set pieces, a lot of CGI beasts

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and things, and I don't know, I honestly was just

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not got getting a lot of that Lord of the

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Rings vibe energy feeling to what was going on was

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being seen here, even if it was like, oh, this

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is a thing that is very Lord of the Rings,

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but just the way it's being portraying the show isn't

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doing it for me in the same way. I do

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feel like this episode had a couple interesting storyline progressions,

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but for the most part, very little seemed to happen,

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and even with one of our character groups in particular,

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not really too interested in the direction we seem to

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be going with them. And then also some of my

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other favorite storylines weren't even in this episode at all,

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week and the second half of the series, I guess overall.

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for me, but u but also not not hating it.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, it's it's funny because because I just did

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the rewatch and Dylan never watched any Game of Thrones.

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Speaker 3: Right, I've seen like two seasons of it, but okay, off,

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at some.

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Speaker 1: Point it reminds me like you in the first scene

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the show, but this scene especially, that was Game of

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Thrones in the middle where they end up with so

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many characters, and as I did the rewatch, there'd be

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people you just wouldn't see for four episodes. But then

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when I did the rewatch was fine because like, okay,

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I'm watching it literally all together, it doesn't feel as bad.

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not even just characters, Like all the characters' stories are

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very different and very i would say, like have massive

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implications for the most like what we know it's gonna

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lead to. Right, So it's just it's not like, oh,

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it's just a little like I feel like even the

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small storyline would be something like the elf and his

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like adoptive son or whatever. Right, but that's like, okay,

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now we got ants in there, like minors voice, It's like, okay,

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they're interesting something bigger. But yeah, I will say I

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out of the four, which is good. I'm not sure

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if it is like because Dylan said there is more

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action and I liked it for the most part, but

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now you know I do it for mean purposes, but

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it got the vibes there and I like Rory Kanear

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and you know, he was good performance there, so it's yeah,

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it's I'm really curious where we're gonna cause we talked

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about this with the Stranger thing last week, right like

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the Stranger care in his storyline of oh, we're gonna

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get some resolution, then maybe he'll be on to some

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other things. But it's like we're halfway through and I

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really don't think so. Right like, he will get into it.

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he's still just kind of in the same spot. So

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I'm very curious where the show's gonna be in the

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finale and if it's gonna move much, which sounds bad

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like it because I don't, because I think you can

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still have a good show even if you don't move far.

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about The Bear season three, which are not seen. I

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just wonder if it's gonna be a lot that because

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I just halfway through the season and we're getting some developments.

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move slow, but there's just something even slower about this

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year for some reason.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know, since you just are doing the rewatch, like, sorry,

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did you just finished season one? Like is that what

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Speaker 1: No, No, I haven't. I got back to that. No,

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I wanted to, but this week's just been too busy

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because the kids has been home and it's just been

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what not. So no, I only got up three episodes. Yeah, yeah,

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but I just yeah, That's what I meant with that

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rewatch of it was.

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Speaker 3: Like, you feel like season one of the show, there

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was a lot more progress that was happening week to week,

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I felt, and at least what we've had with I mean,

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it's tricky because last last week we out a three

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episode dump, so that's like a lot to trudge through.

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Speaker 1: Because even then, when we look at every thing, I

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don't think we saw a lot of cool lower of

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the rings lower stuff. There's tons. If you're like a

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lord junkie and you like certain things, I'm not saying

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you're like the show, but I think you will appreciate

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certain aspects because like, Okay, that's cool, or there's a

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different angle there. But we haven't moved too far with

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our characters. Maybe one storyline in particular, But and then

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there's one storyline that ended up in a place that

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didn't like that. So yeah, I at least enjoyed this

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episode more. It was a bit more positive, but there

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isn't anything that would end I'm like, oh, I can't

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wait to see what happens next week. It's like, Okay,

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Second at least get it somewhere near season one quality

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for me at least. But I guess the show's been mixed.

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people that I feel like. I think season two's have

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gotten big step up, so it's a much like season one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was down like nine nine hundred thousand, but

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then it still had like good labor day numbers, So

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who knows. It's always tough with Amazon because they have

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so much money. It's not like Disney's lots of money.

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and it's like, Okay, viewership wasn't there and it costs

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a lot, let's cut it. Where Amazon, It's like, are

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they even looking at the rings of power like.

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with their end right Amazon dot Com?

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Speaker 1: Are they just happy to have all we got to

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loader of the rings sing on the service? Let them let

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them do their thing, you know. And that's why I

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just don't know that answer. But I do think Amazon

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has canceled shows before. I know that sounds dunbe, but

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I think they have. So I'm very curious where where,

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If this gets another season, I would say they'd maybe

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even do one more just to be like, hey, finish

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it out, but you never know nowadays, right, So, but yeah,

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viewership supposedly down, but again always tough with online streaming

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thing with House of Dragons that when that came back,

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it was down and then it eclipsed the first season.

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a half year breaks that shows are on now, people

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just get uninvested in stuff very easily. It's not like

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back in the day where it's like I knew Dexter

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it's not only is it the two years, it's like

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we don't even know what months. Sometimes it's just yeah

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season two is gonna come out three years after season one,

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how's this taken so long to do a show of this?

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these stars, but I diggress. Maybe that's a bread and

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butter topic for another day of the state of TV

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and what it's like now. But Kirkhan, what's the state

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of Rings of Power after episode four?

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Speaker 3: For you?

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pretty pretty much the same. I think it would be

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too early coming off of my thoughts last week and

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this week. I'm just like my overall enjoyment. I mean,

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as of right now, like I would give a good

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thumbs up. I think across the board, I think this episode,

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last week, like I literally had like three hours of

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content to just sift through, and then like I don't know,

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I had time with all my different characters, pretty much

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all the players that are in play right now, Like

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for that reason, my overall enjoyment was which was much

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lesser than last week's, but really really loved. I think

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but the visuals in the show are just mind blowing.

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They this show looks so freaking good. It doesn't matter

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if it's just like a seal door and some lady

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like walking through the woods. I'm just like, man, this

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set is just gorgeous right now. Like everything looks so fantastic,

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the lighting, all of their costumes, just like every little

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brush in the background just looks so magical in a

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in a and like not in the sense of it

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being like like biolumininess or something like that where it

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looks alien. It just it just feels like I'm in

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a different world while watching this, even though some of

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the scenery does look very earth like. I don't know,

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eye candy for me love. I love just the visuals

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that I get from the show, and I think that's

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like the biggest reason why I would want to rewatch

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it more so than like the plot or any character stuff,

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pretty much just the visuals, like it just looks so good.

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think our main focus this week on the plot lines

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some of the other plot lines that are going on,

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I think characters that were following are maybe just certain

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stuff that's going on with the story to I don't know.

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you spend some time with uh yeah, no, never mind,

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I don't even gonna say anything. I don't even know

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it's a big spoiler or anything, but I'll just do

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you know what's.

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Speaker 1: In my name? What?

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Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying the focus of this episode.

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Speaker 1: That character you're safe, you're safe to drop.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, that was known for a while.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, we'll get to that when we get to that.

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But uh, I don't know. It's it's not like a

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big noticeable drop off, like some big thing that's so

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egregious that just ruins the show for me. It's just

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I think now that we're halfway through. Someone like me

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that loves the world building stuff and like the real

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slow plays that I feel like they are big, powerful plays,

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but they maybe they're they're not as direct as as

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to trend on the spoiler free section here, but I

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just feel like there could be moments in the show

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that have like major jumps to the next sequence, and

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Like we're really taking the long path to it, and

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I'm I usually am liking that, but now that we're

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already halfway through, it's like, hey, come on, guys, like like,

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let's get to the point. I feel like the general

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audience members that doesn't work really well for them as well.

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Speaker 1: And I think it's because my sister asked me that

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she's like, should I watch the show, and because she

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did like Lord of the Rings when we watched them

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as kids, and she didn't seen them while But I

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was like, I don't know, Like I feel like you

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do have to love, like love Lord of the Rings

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Middle Earth to enjoy this show. I don't know. I

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think general audiences would bow out in my op and

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they like some have I just mean, like, I just

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must watch, can't miss element, you know, and I think

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you kind of need that in the show nowadays. You know,

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I think a movie can well that's even again Bred

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and Butter discussion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't I don't know if I'm going

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to be feeling like that every week. It's gonna be

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interesting to kind of look back on. But yeah, right now,

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thumbs up. I'm still liking the show. So let's just

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dive into it. I'm wonder we're going to say a lot.

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Speaker 1: Let's take a dive. So we're going to be right back.

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If I'm not seeing the show bow out, We'll do spoilers.

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Lots of stuff's on the feed right now. We just

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reviewed Star Wars Outlaw, We just review Beetlejuice. Next week

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Agatha's starting, and then the week after that Penguin. So

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it's a hot and heavy month coming up here for

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the geek. First, that's the Juice going on, but uh

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Q t boys. I know where I want to go.

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I want to go exactly what Kirk was bouncing around

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from him because he's he's talking real He sounded like

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Gandalf confused when they're like at the minds of morlah

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blah blah, like you know, and he's.

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Speaker 2: Like half of you, half as much as well as

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you deserve or whatever the hell?

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but yeah, where what was the thing you're

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dancing around that you want to talk about but you

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don't want to be specific.

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Speaker 2: No, I was just mostly wanting to say, like, this

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is not this is a Harfoot episode and this is

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uh an Arondier episode. I feel like those those storylines.

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I I'm now realizing I just I'm not that interested

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in Irondier and THEO. You know, he's like a strange

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I guess, not a strange son, but just the son

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that he's trying to get.

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Speaker 3: A strange guy.

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Speaker 2: He is a strange guy and like a sealed door too.

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Like I don't know, we were kind of talking about

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it last week, but I just don't really eat this

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guy at all in the show, maybe like season three

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or or just more of a minor character even just

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like the idea of him being around, but just the

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more we follow him, I don't know. I'm just really

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I find myself checking out in those moments more so

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than others. And like I like the heartfleots chemistry when

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they bounce off each other. But I don't know. We're

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just getting introduced to like the store Hobbits now, and

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I just, yeah, I'm not that interested in that. I was.

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like a little cartoonyan kiddy. But when we met the

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one guy with his hair literally look like he's been

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like electric shock, Like he looks like he's beetlejuice. He

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looks like he's beatle juice going on right now. And

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it's just that for me, it's like, oh fuck, it's

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another thing that's gonna deter us. I'm sure we'll play

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into it, and I'm not saying it's gonna be bad,

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but just feels like it's another like, Okay, we gotta

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keep the stranger busy, to keep them busy, what do

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we do, Well, they're gonna meet some other Hobbits and

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we got tom Baumberdell, who I like. But it does

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feel like, okay, we want to drop, but it's they

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I think they try their best. I think that's how

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they view Oh we're gonna get viewers because we're gonna

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use like Lord of the Ring's lower stuff. But like

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no one's tuning in for tom. No one's tuning in

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for the ends, you know, but they like doing the

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or even a seal door, right, but like no one's

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tuning in and say, oh that guy that didn't destroy

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the Ring, Like what was it like he met this

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woman who he fell in love with? Those men like

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I just like these stories. Some of them aren't need

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and same thing when they meet these other hobbits. I

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was like, oh, no, we're gonna we're gonna be here

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for an amount of time that I don't think is

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needed and maybe I could be proven wrong. But then

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I go, Okay, I don't need this. And then I

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watched the episode and I don't think it's overall bad,

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but it's just that thinking where it's just like I'm

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not interested, I'm not intrigued. I'm like, man, I can't

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wait to see what happens next, you know.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm totally with you. Where I like the Heartfoot stuff.

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like mostly I think I was positive on it, but

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I think sometimes it just went on a bit too long,

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and I was glad with where we left it off

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of Okay, our two favorite Horrfoots are gonna team up

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with Gandalf here the Stranger, and they're gonna go on

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an adventure, and that to me is engaging in fun.

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I'm like, we had our time with Harfoot's cool, but

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I feel like I don't really want every season to

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be like, Okay, here's a new Halfling Crew or like

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sub race whatever, and we're gonna learn about them. Like

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the one part I did like is then they're talking

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about like their building of their homes and they they

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found this like soft rock that they can burrow in,

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and even the Harfoot's like, whoa, they live in the ground.

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Like obviously that's kind of closer to the Hobbits that

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we know and love from the original trilogy and all that.

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So I don't know, there is interesting things in there,

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but for me, it's like a couple of little lord details.

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But for the most part, like, Okay, this captain person

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feels exactly like the guy who is a leader of

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like the the Crew, and like the Haarfoot from season one,

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and then there's like these goofy side characters and I

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just don't really want to do any of this. So

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it's too bad that after the Stranger did his big

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power and blasted them away, that like they actually got

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separated and like might spend the rest of the season apart,

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because I think their dynamic was really fun together. So yeah,

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I'm not not excited to go ahead with this, and

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like nobody in general like that one care the guy

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who're talking about beetlejuice hair. To me, that's like, that's

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not a Lord of the Rings character. I guess I

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just feel like like an old man here where I'm like, oh,

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this is different than it used to be back in

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the day. But there's just certain things with this episode

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that I don't know. They're really taking me out of

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Middle Earth and putting me into like I don't know,

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Top Earth or some other random place that I'm not.

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I'm not it.

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Speaker 1: I don't have as much love for unfortunately, and I

472
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:23,839
think it'd be better today mean to like oh like oh,

473
00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:25,640
like I mean, and I said, Hobbits, I almost would

474
00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:28,039
be fine that if it's like another set of characters

475
00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:30,119
did that, But it's like of course the other type

476
00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:32,680
of little folk have to meet the other type of

477
00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,559
little folk. You know, it just feels like, and I

478
00:20:34,599 --> 00:20:36,400
guet they have something to talk about, but it just

479
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,400
feels a little convenient, you know. And it is because

480
00:20:40,559 --> 00:20:42,720
that Gandolf is not there, So it does just feel

481
00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,079
like side quests for them both, right, And I think

482
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:48,440
you're right where. I bet it's gonna be like end

483
00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,039
of episode six, somewhere in episode seven that they'll get

484
00:20:51,079 --> 00:20:53,119
back together. And I don't want that because I do

485
00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:54,920
like them together. And that's the same thing. Did they

486
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,480
just introduce some I always forget the other one's name.

487
00:20:58,559 --> 00:21:02,839
It's Perry who sorry Poppy Poppy? Remember I said, oh,

488
00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:04,559
why was it? It was weird in the finale they

489
00:21:04,599 --> 00:21:06,279
made her not go with him and then right away

490
00:21:06,480 --> 00:21:08,759
like no, actually, Poppy's joined with us. Did they just

491
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,680
do that so that character would not be alone with

492
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,880
the other, you know, little people like I'm just saying hobbits.

493
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,799
I don't like saying the little people the other hobbits.

494
00:21:17,279 --> 00:21:19,480
Like that's why I'm like, oh, you just interested Poppy

495
00:21:19,519 --> 00:21:21,000
to maybe have like a crush on a guy, and

496
00:21:21,160 --> 00:21:23,680
like it's another hobbit, Like I don't know, it's just

497
00:21:23,799 --> 00:21:26,759
I'm with you Dan where I like those three even

498
00:21:26,799 --> 00:21:28,359
though that was I think one of the more positive

499
00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:29,880
things I was on the first three episodes was their

500
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,880
connection and their chemistry and that split off for Gandalf

501
00:21:33,039 --> 00:21:35,720
to just I like that actor playing Gandalf, but I

502
00:21:35,799 --> 00:21:37,759
just feel like he's gonna be spoken to for like

503
00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:40,720
three episodes, like continually now, like what he has to do.

504
00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:43,039
It's like bombadel here. You know you're gonna get an

505
00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:45,359
episode where he's in the Dark Wizard's cave and the

506
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:47,440
Dark Wizard's just gonna be monologuing to him for a

507
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:50,039
whole episode and everything. And yeah, and even though I

508
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,039
liked the Babbadail character, like I liked he's speaking the roles.

509
00:21:53,079 --> 00:21:55,440
He's not singing, of course, but he's he's speaking in

510
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,039
this way where he's saying things and it's like, what

511
00:21:57,079 --> 00:21:59,279
does that mean? Well, I don't know, we'll find out.

512
00:21:59,519 --> 00:22:03,119
Like I, I enjoy that character and I enjoy the actor,

513
00:22:03,519 --> 00:22:06,920
so that one I like more. But I just two episodes.

514
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,519
That's like fine, but I that's gonna be almost the

515
00:22:09,599 --> 00:22:12,039
rest of gan off season, and yeah, they'll get back

516
00:22:12,039 --> 00:22:13,640
together at the end and then season three they'll be

517
00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:16,480
back on another hike and we'll be exactly where we were,

518
00:22:16,599 --> 00:22:16,759
you know.

519
00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:21,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree with you. Guys were

520
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,400
there at the Hobbits at this point, It's like I'd

521
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,000
rather not even have them in the season. I think

522
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,920
it like, if I had to take them but introduce

523
00:22:31,559 --> 00:22:35,559
the Steer Hobbits and like spend screen time with them

524
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,720
and just their shenanigans, I feel like it's just kind

525
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,000
of a rehash from season one. So yeah, I would

526
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,680
honestly rather just not even have them, even though, like

527
00:22:42,799 --> 00:22:45,240
you were highlighting, Travis, like last week, I was really

528
00:22:45,279 --> 00:22:48,759
actually digging their chemistry. I feel like entrying season one,

529
00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:52,039
I didn't I didn't need them, and then just that glimpse,

530
00:22:52,279 --> 00:22:54,119
it's like, Okay, I actually do need them. I do

531
00:22:54,279 --> 00:22:56,599
like this chemistry they have them. They just separate what

532
00:22:56,720 --> 00:22:58,440
the fuck's the point here? Like, like, what's going on?

533
00:22:58,559 --> 00:22:59,200
What are we doing here?

534
00:22:59,279 --> 00:23:01,799
Speaker 1: At least they didn't dying the tornado like Taylor.

535
00:23:02,400 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that was answered pretty quick.

536
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,119
Speaker 3: That was like Kirkling, you preferred that reality. If they

537
00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,279
just died in that moment, maybe maybe maybe they.

538
00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:12,039
Speaker 1: Could have killed the other Hobbits that came to find

539
00:23:12,119 --> 00:23:14,279
them and like who are you? And Gennoff accidentally whipped

540
00:23:14,319 --> 00:23:15,839
them up, you know, and then he could have saw

541
00:23:15,880 --> 00:23:19,640
them like oh I killed Poppy and who's a Norrio?

542
00:23:19,839 --> 00:23:19,880
Speaker 2: No?

543
00:23:20,079 --> 00:23:23,079
Speaker 1: But then it was okay, it's fine, you know, not hobbits,

544
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:23,319
I know.

545
00:23:25,559 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, So talking about bomb Badillo, mister Tom Bombadil,

546
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,119
I expect to.

547
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:31,839
Speaker 1: Respect this name.

548
00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:35,039
Speaker 2: I feel like I like the the scene more than

549
00:23:35,079 --> 00:23:37,480
I would have expected myself to like it, But like

550
00:23:37,559 --> 00:23:39,720
by the end of it, I'm just like, like, why

551
00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:41,640
did he even have this? Like does the general audience

552
00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:43,400
member have any idea what the fox going on here?

553
00:23:43,599 --> 00:23:45,599
Or like, okay his character is or what he is,

554
00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:48,079
or but like, Dylan, do you know who this guy

555
00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:50,599
is now? After the scene, and like why this is important?

556
00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,440
Speaker 3: This is my first introduction to the character proper other

557
00:23:53,519 --> 00:23:56,559
than just Travis rifling off, but Bombadil over the years.

558
00:23:56,839 --> 00:23:59,160
Speaker 1: Okay, take out you this is where you're being a

559
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,279
token lord guy. Take it out. You're oh, why is

560
00:24:01,319 --> 00:24:04,319
he even in there? For the GA who knows something

561
00:24:04,319 --> 00:24:07,319
about He's a colorful character that gave Gandalf what he's

562
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,839
there to do. He gave him his little literal purpose, right,

563
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,480
so he did serve a function in this episode taking

564
00:24:12,559 --> 00:24:14,759
my memi out. He literally said, you're here to fight,

565
00:24:15,079 --> 00:24:16,799
you know, you're here to stop darkness and sorrow. And

566
00:24:16,880 --> 00:24:18,880
he said, like which one he's like both of them?

567
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:22,240
Like he literally told he gave him his like his

568
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:25,200
whole life's goal now, right, So that's why I will

569
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:26,880
push back and like, oh, what's he there for? Well,

570
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,880
he gave Ganda vital piece of information, you know.

571
00:24:30,079 --> 00:24:34,039
Speaker 2: Fair enough, but like, like we're never gonna get this

572
00:24:34,160 --> 00:24:37,200
character explained. I would imagine going forward in this show,

573
00:24:37,799 --> 00:24:41,000
like like like but you need someone is watching this,

574
00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:42,880
Like are they not gonna just be like who the

575
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:46,240
fuck was that guy? And like like now now we

576
00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:47,640
just have this guy that gave.

577
00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,400
Speaker 3: Kind of the vibe with Gandalf, And yeah, he's in

578
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:54,000
a fellowship where it's like he's just some random ass

579
00:24:54,039 --> 00:24:56,480
guy's really powerful. You don't really know much about him.

580
00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:57,799
You don't know his backstory, he doesn't have like a

581
00:24:57,839 --> 00:25:00,440
wife at home, you know, he's just like he's.

582
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 2: Just always a wizard.

583
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 3: That energy to him.

584
00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,640
Speaker 2: That's fair. I think that's subconsciously a reason why I

585
00:25:09,759 --> 00:25:12,279
actually like the sequence more than I would have expected,

586
00:25:12,319 --> 00:25:15,279
because it was just him and Gandalf like, like hearing

587
00:25:15,319 --> 00:25:16,400
that he was gonna be in the show, I'm like,

588
00:25:16,799 --> 00:25:18,799
for fox sakes, he's gonna be like teaching a seal

589
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:26,000
door life lessons here and fight, yeah, exactly, like saving

590
00:25:26,039 --> 00:25:28,160
the day in these big battles, Like that's my worst

591
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:32,920
case scenario. But I think he's That's why it's like, Okay.

592
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 3: Heems pretty uninterested in the grander affairs of the world.

593
00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:37,599
Speaker 2: And that's great because that's a great character trait that

594
00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:40,200
he should have, right Like, like he is just so disinterested.

595
00:25:40,319 --> 00:25:43,640
He's the absolute most neutral you can be. He's more

596
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,160
neutral than an ent, right like an chooses a side

597
00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:49,960
in the events of Two Towers, and I I like

598
00:25:50,079 --> 00:25:54,319
how they did keep that energy about him. I obviously

599
00:25:54,359 --> 00:25:55,880
would have liked some singing, but I don't know how

600
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:56,480
that would.

601
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,200
Speaker 1: Have I think you're gonna think you're gonna we got like.

602
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:02,839
Speaker 2: A Tom Bombadill's song in the end credit, right.

603
00:26:03,079 --> 00:26:05,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he like which was funny when that

604
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:07,480
hit because it was like, not the remember the song

605
00:26:07,599 --> 00:26:09,039
last week they were talking, but it was just like

606
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,319
it came in. But like he's dropping similar kind of riddles.

607
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,440
I think the rarer. Guy is a trained singer. I

608
00:26:15,559 --> 00:26:17,279
might be wrong, but I feel like you're gonna get

609
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:20,200
him singing once at least once, you.

610
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,799
Speaker 3: Knowing that one character he has in Men where he's like.

611
00:26:22,799 --> 00:26:27,759
Speaker 1: Oh, he's like you gotta watch Ben after this, Kirk.

612
00:26:27,880 --> 00:26:30,160
But now that you've seen him as Tom Bald, but if.

613
00:26:30,079 --> 00:26:33,799
Speaker 3: You want to see that actor characters, Yeah, and what

614
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:34,319
I it.

615
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,279
Speaker 1: Was just like a little note. I love that. I

616
00:26:36,319 --> 00:26:38,559
don't know when this character is probably interact with in

617
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,480
this show, interacted with anybody for a while, because Geno

618
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:43,880
asked him who he was and he didn't even remember

619
00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:46,160
his name. He's like, well, like in this age, they

620
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,839
call me bombed like Tom. But he was like actively

621
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:51,680
like trying to remember. So it's like, I don't know,

622
00:26:51,759 --> 00:26:52,400
maybe it's been.

623
00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:53,480
Speaker 3: Like yeah, he was like what do they call you?

624
00:26:53,519 --> 00:26:55,440
And he's like, well, no one's called me anything for long.

625
00:26:55,759 --> 00:26:58,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, it seemed like for hundreds of years. Maybe no

626
00:26:58,160 --> 00:26:59,920
one's bumped into Tom and he's just doing his gar

627
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:01,200
and just hanging out.

628
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

629
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,000
Speaker 1: I liked that. And then he brought his wife like

630
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,400
no wife, but you're here, like that counts as you're

631
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,599
a person, right, Like I liked his I like the

632
00:27:08,680 --> 00:27:11,079
back and forth of it, and I, like I said

633
00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,519
meme aside, I did enjoy that seeing that sequence, and

634
00:27:14,559 --> 00:27:16,079
I agree with you carew. I don't want him out there.

635
00:27:16,079 --> 00:27:17,640
I don't want to also be like, well, I'll be

636
00:27:17,759 --> 00:27:20,079
with you. I just think it will be next episode

637
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:21,920
they're gonna talk some more and he's gonna send gan

638
00:27:22,039 --> 00:27:24,920
Off on his way, and that'll be it. There's, I guess,

639
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:26,920
always a chance because he was the one that did

640
00:27:27,039 --> 00:27:29,240
bring like they talked about the Dark Wizard a little bit,

641
00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:31,759
so there's always a chance you can interact with him.

642
00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:33,799
But I don't know if it is. I don't know

643
00:27:33,839 --> 00:27:36,400
if it's by like I'm gonna help you take him down,

644
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,799
which should I'm not sure.

645
00:27:37,960 --> 00:27:40,519
Speaker 2: Then we can revisit that, but I hope it's purely

646
00:27:40,759 --> 00:27:43,759
just like an advisory type role that he has. I

647
00:27:44,720 --> 00:27:49,400
like the idea of him very indirectly kind of like

648
00:27:49,920 --> 00:27:53,359
helping push along the events because like, although he's a

649
00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:55,960
super neutral character, doesn't get involved in things. You can

650
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:58,759
make the argument that if Gandalf never had this conversation

651
00:27:58,880 --> 00:28:01,279
with him, like we never had the gownd Off later on,

652
00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,960
I know the you know the Peter Jackson, the other

653
00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:08,200
Lord of the Rings story is completely separate uh canon canonically,

654
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:12,839
but I do like that idea at least if he

655
00:28:13,039 --> 00:28:16,880
just has it's interesting because it is like words of advice,

656
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:20,319
but it's like it's like written in a riddle to

657
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,759
like more so than more so than like a professor

658
00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:27,319
trying to like just have a really eloquent way of

659
00:28:27,559 --> 00:28:29,839
like getting a point across. I feel like Tom Bombadil

660
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,640
just like says things and then people like take meanings

661
00:28:33,079 --> 00:28:36,160
from it and then he's just like, oh, okay, you

662
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:37,759
took it that way, and like that's just kind of

663
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:40,079
how it is. It's not like he's saying things to

664
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:44,839
have a direct like like answerable question, if that makes

665
00:28:44,839 --> 00:28:45,319
any sense.

666
00:28:45,480 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: And except he was directing this episode and he's like

667
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,440
you're here to defeat Darkness and so on.

668
00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,880
Speaker 2: So yeah, he's not perfect. Yeah he's nowhere near perfect.

669
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,240
Tom Bombadill, you definitely wasn't singing as much.

670
00:28:55,279 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 3: Like he's like giving him a quest list to be

671
00:28:56,680 --> 00:29:01,400
like okay, so first exactly and then like this looks

672
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,240
like he might go buy hall Bron Like he's not

673
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,319
you know, not give at least yet, he's not giving

674
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:05,960
him that detail.

675
00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,559
Speaker 1: His Orcs killed him one day in his tower, and I.

676
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:11,400
Speaker 2: Was one of them. I was in that mother bus stuff.

677
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 3: Kela Brimbour has a hard on for him or whatever.

678
00:29:14,359 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, don't talk to him. He's an idiot, you know.

679
00:29:16,559 --> 00:29:18,839
He knows no songs, no songs. Yeah.

680
00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:21,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, as I said, this is my kind of

681
00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:25,319
first true introduction to this character. So far, I'm liking him.

682
00:29:25,319 --> 00:29:27,839
I mean it's it's like not a lot has happened yet,

683
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,799
but I like some of the conversation we have going on.

684
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,400
I love the actor. I think he's he's a great

685
00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:34,440
pick for someone like this, and he's always like everything

686
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,039
I've seen him and he's just like completely different, yeah,

687
00:29:37,319 --> 00:29:39,400
in the way he acts. He's just a very versatile guy.

688
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:40,720
So I think he's probably a good pick for a

689
00:29:40,839 --> 00:29:44,440
character like this. And yeah, so I definitely have some

690
00:29:44,599 --> 00:29:47,480
lower questions about him. But I think for me, like

691
00:29:48,039 --> 00:29:49,759
whenever we look at Lord of the Rings, you know,

692
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:52,759
there's the Man, there's the elves, there's a dwarves, there's

693
00:29:52,839 --> 00:29:55,480
the Orcs, but it's like always like that. The Wizards

694
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:59,480
have like just such an interesting ethereal essence to them,

695
00:29:59,519 --> 00:30:01,839
like so much mystery around them. And even like through

696
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,799
our retrospectives that we do with the movies and Kirkland

697
00:30:04,839 --> 00:30:06,200
talking with you and like just getting a lot of

698
00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:08,240
information there. My other friend Cody, who knows a lot

699
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,200
of this lore asks He's like, taught me a lot

700
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:12,720
about these these characters and their history and whatnot. And

701
00:30:12,799 --> 00:30:14,720
I still feel like, even though I learned some things,

702
00:30:14,759 --> 00:30:17,119
there's still so much I have questions about. And that's

703
00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:18,680
what I like. I never feel like I want to

704
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:20,279
know everything about them, you know, I want there to

705
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:23,880
be that mystery there. But even because Saremon and Gandalf

706
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:28,119
are fantastic characters and even radigas you know, all movies

707
00:30:28,119 --> 00:30:30,200
aren't perfect, but I still like what's going on there,

708
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,519
just because it is so weird and different and interesting.

709
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:36,279
So I'm curious where Bombadil falls in that chain of command.

710
00:30:36,319 --> 00:30:38,920
He's talking about how he's been around since before there

711
00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:41,279
was trees and stuff, so but he's not in that

712
00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,759
what is it? What are they called East Star? Is

713
00:30:43,799 --> 00:30:44,880
it what he was calling him here?

714
00:30:45,119 --> 00:30:48,759
Speaker 2: Is Star? So the Stari that's like what the wizards are,

715
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,119
that's what they're word for them.

716
00:30:50,839 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 3: So he where does Bombadil fall in relation to that?

717
00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:55,319
In terms of his backstory.

718
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,480
Speaker 2: That's something that's never been like actual concrete. Like there's

719
00:30:58,599 --> 00:31:03,119
theories that he is a room like a ru of Louvitar,

720
00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:07,240
basically the one god, like the one that made everything,

721
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:10,680
the one that sends Gandalf back personally when he when

722
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,000
he when he dies. I don't like that that the

723
00:31:14,799 --> 00:31:17,200
I mean like yeah, like they're all fan theories because

724
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,160
none of it is actually confirmed. Like the most accurate

725
00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:25,279
description is that it's literally just a character that Tolkien

726
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:27,920
and his brother like made up just like during their stories,

727
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,559
to just have a character that they made up any stories,

728
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,799
so that it's like a reoccurring thing. That's why it's

729
00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:34,400
like it's really.

730
00:31:34,279 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 3: Interesting that they make up all the characters that that doesn't.

731
00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:40,799
Speaker 2: Make like like like I guess not attached to the world,

732
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:45,000
like like someone separate from like what's the way to

733
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:49,839
describe like like, oh, you never saw the matrix that

734
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:51,799
was gonna make a matrix reference there, but like a

735
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,720
character that's like a part of the story, so like uh,

736
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,599
souron Gandalf, even like certain gods would be of that,

737
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,240
like they're contained to the physics of the story of

738
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:06,839
Lord of the Rings. But then Tom would be someone

739
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,400
that's like interdimensional type character, Like.

740
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,400
Speaker 3: He's like he's like the Watcher.

741
00:32:12,319 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly, like like it could be in in that,

742
00:32:15,319 --> 00:32:15,920
but then he can.

743
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:19,119
Speaker 3: Like can insert himself into the world at points too.

744
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 2: I I don't know about that because it's just never

745
00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:23,440
been I think he could, but.

746
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: I think he's no interest in it. I think he

747
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:27,000
has no interest in And I think that's one thing

748
00:32:27,119 --> 00:32:30,279
that I've always taken from with my theory is maybe

749
00:32:30,319 --> 00:32:33,039
there was a time that he had some urgency, but

750
00:32:33,119 --> 00:32:35,720
because he has been alive for so long, he's just

751
00:32:35,839 --> 00:32:38,039
kind of lost that and he's seen so much and

752
00:32:38,119 --> 00:32:40,400
maybe learned so much. And I think that's where in

753
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:42,279
the Chan commn, I don't think to me, he's like this,

754
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:45,960
like he's like an outlier. He's like the even though

755
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:48,279
he could be all powerful, he's like the black Sheep

756
00:32:48,359 --> 00:32:51,119
of the Wizards, where it's like, yeah, like Tom's like

757
00:32:51,359 --> 00:32:52,720
one of us, but he's not really a part of

758
00:32:52,759 --> 00:32:54,960
the family, you know, Like he's like twice removed, Like

759
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:57,200
he has all this stuff, but I don't think he's

760
00:32:57,759 --> 00:32:59,920
concerned at all. He's just kind of like an outlier

761
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:02,920
to everything going on. Why to like I know, Karoon

762
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:05,240
give the explation why like took an action introduce him.

763
00:33:05,279 --> 00:33:07,559
I really don't know because I think I guess maybe

764
00:33:07,559 --> 00:33:09,599
he just want a fun character, and I guess like

765
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,839
he does provide some levity. I feel when you're reading

766
00:33:11,839 --> 00:33:13,920
the books, like he's kind of like a he's kind

767
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,119
of like a goofy your character at times right in

768
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,039
his song. So I think he's just to add some

769
00:33:18,279 --> 00:33:20,759
moments and now that he doesn't pop into the middle

770
00:33:20,759 --> 00:33:22,359
of Helm's Deep or anything like that, don't get me wrong.

771
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,920
It's more at the beginning when Frodo was starting his jury.

772
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:26,759
I can't remember where they bump into Like I'm trying

773
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:28,680
to think of the movies because the Ben and Whilston's

774
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,839
a reddit where they it would it's a bit in

775
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,319
between the Shion prancing Pony, him and Sam bump into

776
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:34,960
him like.

777
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,799
Speaker 3: Go to another Shired town or something like that.

778
00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like the Shire sequence is really long in the book,

779
00:33:42,079 --> 00:33:44,759
and like I don't know if it's exactly the Shire,

780
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:47,319
but like Hobbiton in general, like that is where they

781
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:53,200
find him. Yeah, and you know, like old Bill, it's

782
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:54,960
like their horse that they have. And then when they

783
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:58,039
get to Maria, he sends Sam, sends old Bill away,

784
00:33:58,359 --> 00:34:01,599
and like in the book, that's basically one of Tom

785
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,799
Bombadill's like not his horse, but like his companion. So

786
00:34:04,960 --> 00:34:07,759
like he just walks back to Tom Bombadil after that

787
00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:10,639
sequence of the story, and that's where it's like he

788
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:14,599
has influence in the world. That's what's interesting. It is like, yeah,

789
00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:16,960
you could maybe Jobham to being a wizard, you could

790
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,960
job him to be a god. Like that's what's interesting

791
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,239
about him is there's so many theories and none of

792
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:24,199
them like you can't say all of them are wrong

793
00:34:24,519 --> 00:34:26,599
or all of them are right. Like it's just because

794
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:29,880
we don't have concrete answers onto the character. And to me,

795
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:32,119
that's what makes him kind of interesting because he is

796
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:36,360
just such an outlier amongst every other character that Tolkien

797
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:37,719
has made in this world.

798
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,280
Speaker 1: Because maybe he is helping. If that's his pony, there

799
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,880
could be a backwards way, you know, indirectly helping.

800
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,280
Speaker 2: So like the easy answer for what Tom Bombadil is

801
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:50,920
he's just Tom Bombadill. And then what it is, yeah, just.

802
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,880
Speaker 1: Whatever you want to be, whatever you want him to be, Yeah,

803
00:34:53,920 --> 00:34:56,119
because because we don't we don't actually know, so he

804
00:34:56,320 --> 00:34:59,679
I think, I mean clearly his own description of himself.

805
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,039
Speaker 2: He's been in there at like very very long, Like

806
00:35:03,119 --> 00:35:06,079
he's calling Gandalf basically a child in this moment, right,

807
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:08,760
Like Gandalf has been here for not a very long time,

808
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:11,599
and he's been there very very very very very long time,

809
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,639
like probably even longer than the Trees, which is like

810
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,519
basically the start of the world. So yeah, it's a

811
00:35:17,519 --> 00:35:17,960
long time.

812
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, interesting character on in terms of that Gandalf element

813
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:24,920
of it, I think this is like just one of

814
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:26,880
those things with prequels where it's like, I don't think

815
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,960
I want this Gandalf like storyline where he doesn't know anything.

816
00:35:31,199 --> 00:35:33,400
I was hoping that, like, okay, he can't. He come down,

817
00:35:33,599 --> 00:35:36,559
he comes down from his meteor thing. He's obviously like

818
00:35:36,679 --> 00:35:39,039
very fuzzy on the details. He doesn't know what's going on.

819
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,400
He's got like, you know, a coded message that's like

820
00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:44,039
telling him where he needs to go, what he needs

821
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:45,960
to do. But I was hoping that I guess he

822
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:47,960
would just kind of like shake it off at some

823
00:35:48,039 --> 00:35:51,559
point and then not be the exact same as he

824
00:35:51,599 --> 00:35:53,840
would be by the time like Fellowship or even the

825
00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:56,639
Hobbit rolls around. Uh, But I don't know. I don't

826
00:35:56,639 --> 00:35:58,480
know if I'm ready for this like Gandalf like training

827
00:35:58,559 --> 00:36:03,320
sequence learning stuff. We'll see if it becomes interesting and

828
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,400
works out, but I guess it's just not. It's just

829
00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,679
one of those prequel things that I don't really need

830
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,079
to see Gandalf learning these things personally.

831
00:36:10,360 --> 00:36:12,079
Speaker 1: To me, it's like you want to see Gandalf being

832
00:36:12,119 --> 00:36:14,679
Gandalf in a different time, right, And that's something where

833
00:36:15,119 --> 00:36:17,159
I wish Taya was here. That's what I would give

834
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,639
the prequels credit for is what they did with obi Wan,

835
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,639
where there's parts where I had to learn his over Wan.

836
00:36:21,679 --> 00:36:23,000
But when you meet him a fan of Menace, he's

837
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:25,159
pretty much obi Wan and he's an apprentice. And the

838
00:36:25,199 --> 00:36:26,800
good thing with the benefit they have is each movie

839
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,840
they do a time jump, right, but it's like, Okay,

840
00:36:28,920 --> 00:36:30,800
here's o we Wan as apprentice, here's him as a

841
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:32,599
night and then here's him as a master. Where this

842
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:35,880
is just literally like we have to form Gandalf almost

843
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:38,800
like Tom said, like from a child to the character

844
00:36:38,920 --> 00:36:41,280
we know, you know, and I do wish it was Okay,

845
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:44,199
this is Gandalf. He had that, you know, the inspiration, need,

846
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,000
the reveal he's with Nori now see some adventures of

847
00:36:47,079 --> 00:36:49,840
him as Gandoff of course, learning and becoming more like

848
00:36:49,920 --> 00:36:51,960
the character we know in love, but he still seems

849
00:36:52,119 --> 00:36:56,840
very much like just like a a creative character, like

850
00:36:56,960 --> 00:36:59,400
he's your character when you open up elden Rings, like

851
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:02,159
I want to create character, I'll create Gandalf and he's

852
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:04,360
just learning everything like that's where he's still just this

853
00:37:04,599 --> 00:37:09,880
avatar that he And it's odd though, because he has knowledge,

854
00:37:10,079 --> 00:37:11,840
like I said that last week, where there's times where

855
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,880
he'll say things to knowing them where it's like, well

856
00:37:13,920 --> 00:37:16,119
this doesn't make sense because he shouldn't have this, but

857
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:18,519
he's starting to remember it. So I'm kind of with

858
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:20,800
you where I wish we got I don't know if

859
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:22,599
I need I don't even know if I need him

860
00:37:22,639 --> 00:37:26,280
to do the your missions are on and just defeat Eatable.

861
00:37:26,280 --> 00:37:28,480
I kind of wish he'd like get there by himself,

862
00:37:28,599 --> 00:37:30,559
you know, like maybe see something and be like what's this,

863
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,360
Like oh well that's X, Y and C, that's sor

864
00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,280
that's at our and be like, well I should do something.

865
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:38,000
I have these gifts. I could help people, even though

866
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:40,159
it was just maybe the Dark Wizard will do that

867
00:37:40,199 --> 00:37:42,960
showing how to control his gifts but like his powers

868
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,079
and everything. But yeah, I don't know, that's that's a

869
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:46,440
tough thing. I just feel like he's gonna get a

870
00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,159
lots of exposition the rest of the season, and I

871
00:37:48,199 --> 00:37:48,679
don't want that.

872
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 3: I also feel like the character he you know, he

873
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:56,360
wants a goal accomplished and he'll work towards it, but

874
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:59,480
he's often like trying to help others achieve that goal,

875
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,039
and I've always liked that angle from it. And part

876
00:38:02,079 --> 00:38:04,119
of it is just like, Okay, obviously he can't take

877
00:38:04,159 --> 00:38:08,320
the ring in fellowship because if he turns evil, that's

878
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,599
really bad news for one. But I still feel like

879
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,519
in general, he he just like rises other people up,

880
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:16,039
and so I'm curious to see if that's what's gonna

881
00:38:16,039 --> 00:38:17,840
happen here. I mean, I imagine part of this training

882
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:20,119
sequence has learn him learning how to like contain his

883
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:23,599
powers and use them more effectively. But I'm curious whatever

884
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:25,079
other kind of roles they will take in terms of

885
00:38:25,159 --> 00:38:29,000
like how it'll affect his personality or disposition. I don't know,

886
00:38:29,079 --> 00:38:31,159
we'll see if that's just something that like oh the

887
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:33,880
gandal that we're used to isn't like his old age,

888
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:35,639
and he's kind of got he's more wisdom now, and

889
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,559
that's why he wants to get other people to accomplish

890
00:38:39,599 --> 00:38:41,599
these goals rather than himself. And maybe at this point

891
00:38:41,599 --> 00:38:43,880
in his life where he's young and spry, even though

892
00:38:43,920 --> 00:38:46,320
he's still got a big gray beard, maybe he wants

893
00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:49,159
to be more active in taking down evil and forces

894
00:38:49,239 --> 00:38:51,519
actually wants to stab sore On in the face.

895
00:38:51,679 --> 00:38:53,599
Speaker 2: Potentially, Yeah, potentially.

896
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:54,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

897
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:58,159
Speaker 2: For for what we've gotten with the characters so far,

898
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:02,119
I think I would have preferred if he was I

899
00:39:02,159 --> 00:39:05,079
wouldn't say not in the show, because I do like

900
00:39:05,159 --> 00:39:07,280
what Travis said of just like I do like coming

901
00:39:07,320 --> 00:39:10,519
into it. I did want to see what this is star,

902
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:13,159
what this Gandalf would have been like like in this era,

903
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:15,599
because I don't really know what his early journeys were

904
00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:17,280
like when when he first came to Mound to Earth,

905
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:19,239
so that could have been really cool, and now that

906
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:21,960
we're not getting that, I really would have just been okay.

907
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:25,760
If he's like an extreme extreme like Sidecarre, not not

908
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,920
like an extra, but like he's doing things in the

909
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:31,000
world that we're not seeing on screen, and then and

910
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:32,880
then he just checks in with our main characters every

911
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:34,559
once in a while, and like you said, Dylan, like

912
00:39:35,159 --> 00:39:38,840
just kind of uplifting other characters and not just making

913
00:39:38,880 --> 00:39:42,599
them morale higher, but just like giving them little assistance

914
00:39:42,760 --> 00:39:48,280
as they need. Because yeah, I I Gandalf is one

915
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,760
of my favorite Lord of the Rings character of all time,

916
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,880
arguably my favorite. I truly love that character so much,

917
00:39:54,960 --> 00:39:58,480
pretty much for what was just showcased. I mean entirely

918
00:39:58,639 --> 00:40:00,599
because of what was showcased in the in the Lord

919
00:40:00,599 --> 00:40:03,719
of the Rings novel and the Hobbit and just those materials.

920
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,960
So this is a very different character than what we

921
00:40:07,039 --> 00:40:09,360
get there, and and so far, I'm just really really

922
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:12,320
not I don't know, I don't hate it. I just

923
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,159
really don't like it. And I'd rather spend screen time elsewhere,

924
00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,840
like with with Anatar and you know, our other elves,

925
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,320
these other guys.

926
00:40:23,039 --> 00:40:25,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I didn't well, you know a lot of other

927
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,000
elf action this episode.

928
00:40:27,079 --> 00:40:30,519
Speaker 2: Well, I like, I like a Rondier as a character.

929
00:40:30,679 --> 00:40:33,599
I just I don't know, I want him interacting with

930
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:39,559
others other than a little dry yeah, yeah, and I yeah,

931
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,079
that's a good point. Actually, I mean, maybe maybe I

932
00:40:42,159 --> 00:40:44,079
need a dwarf to pair up with them, you know,

933
00:40:44,159 --> 00:40:47,280
the classic legless Gimley pairing up. But I really love

934
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,760
all of our Dwarf characters. I feel like, you know,

935
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,559
not to just follow the trend of pairing up an

936
00:40:51,559 --> 00:40:54,039
Elf with a Dwarf, but I just feel like that

937
00:40:54,159 --> 00:40:58,400
would be a more colorful personality to bounce off of him,

938
00:40:58,480 --> 00:41:01,079
because like you said, like he is very dry, but

939
00:41:02,119 --> 00:41:08,079
I his lover all the l's are what's right.

940
00:41:08,159 --> 00:41:10,320
Speaker 1: They're kind of dry too right now, like el ell

941
00:41:10,440 --> 00:41:12,719
on Gladral there in like war mode. So it's just

942
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:16,320
like and they're chosen to do the storyline where of

943
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:19,199
course they're not getting along, which I'm like, I don't

944
00:41:19,199 --> 00:41:20,960
know how much I'm into this. I'd rather than just

945
00:41:21,039 --> 00:41:26,159
be I guess it's not compelling the issues they're having,

946
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,480
so I'd rather them just be getting along deciding we're

947
00:41:28,519 --> 00:41:30,800
gonna take down sorrow, you know. But this like this

948
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:33,559
like brother sister, like having a mini feud. It's like,

949
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:36,039
I don't know, it just you gotta kind of get

950
00:41:36,079 --> 00:41:39,480
your stuff together. And I didn't mind the whole battle,

951
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:41,360
but even when they're like she's doing it to save us,

952
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,079
and I was like, no, for the ring, and it's

953
00:41:43,119 --> 00:41:44,559
just like I get what he was saying, but he

954
00:41:44,599 --> 00:41:46,360
made it sound like, nah, she didn't give a fuck

955
00:41:46,360 --> 00:41:48,320
about any of elves. It was actually just the ring

956
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,840
she was cared about. And man, I was so bummed

957
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:55,760
when she did cool action scene like little moments right

958
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,400
through like an axe and she like use it to

959
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,840
literate like later arrows, and then she shot like very fun,

960
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,199
cool stuff going on there. Actually wish it was longer.

961
00:42:03,719 --> 00:42:07,639
But then when she's on the ground and she turns

962
00:42:07,679 --> 00:42:09,920
around and it's at our, I'm like, ah, fuck, Like

963
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:12,440
here we go again, like there was, We're just gonna

964
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:14,480
get the reverse of last season. There's an episode where

965
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:17,360
she had at Our captive and they had a conversation

966
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,119
and that's what we're getting this time, and I'm like already,

967
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:22,360
But then I go, right, we're midway through the season

968
00:42:22,400 --> 00:42:24,360
and as I said before, I just am not digging

969
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:26,760
the orcs and at her right now, so I'm like, oh,

970
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,480
like even then, it's just like a ladrils, like like

971
00:42:30,599 --> 00:42:33,400
what are like, what are we even doing with the ladril?

972
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,679
Even right now? As far as okay, she's on this mission.

973
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:37,480
She wants to protect this ring, and I get it,

974
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:39,360
even though it's like did you need to do this,

975
00:42:40,599 --> 00:42:43,320
like get on your horses and just ride or run.

976
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,320
And I found this scene very cheesy where the Orcs

977
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,599
think to hear something and they shoot and oh, we

978
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:50,599
didn't hear anything, and then the guy get there. I

979
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:54,000
just it's like he was quiet for the whole thing,

980
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,840
and oh, it was like the most over acted. And

981
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,119
then of course they use the ring and heel and everything.

982
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:01,880
But h so there's moments. I liked that sequence. But again,

983
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,800
I just I think lat was just gonna get the

984
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,800
Gandalf treatment where maybe they'll have an interesting conversation. Maybe

985
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:08,679
I've got that part in the rewatch. I can't remember

986
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,559
if I enjoyed that episode, but from the recaps, I

987
00:43:11,599 --> 00:43:14,639
remember just Adur was explaining that Sarron was back and

988
00:43:14,719 --> 00:43:17,760
she was getting that confirmed. Right, So is this just like, yeah,

989
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,639
you were right, he's back, you know, Like I don't know.

990
00:43:22,440 --> 00:43:26,679
Speaker 2: It's gonna be like I don't know from what I

991
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:30,119
gotten from the trailers, Like it's almost like an enemy

992
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:32,719
of my enemy type situation, right, like like they're gonna

993
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:37,599
be unifying to uh thin on Saron, and I don't

994
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:39,480
know just from the trailers, I'm like, I don't like this,

995
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,719
I don't know, I don't know what's going on here,

996
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:43,840
and then I kind of forgot about that sequence until

997
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,880
this moment happened in this episode. I'm like, oh, fuck,

998
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:47,920
now we're getting into that. So yeah, I kind of

999
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:49,840
had the same reaction that you had there, Travis, which

1000
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:53,360
is kind of funny, but yeah, visually looked fantastic. I

1001
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,280
I liked l Round in season one, but so far

1002
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:02,000
I'm really not liking this just whiny version of him. Yeah,

1003
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:06,079
And like when they're like trying to choose the direction

1004
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,599
and he's like the leader now, so it's like, no,

1005
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,360
my my rule is law, and I'm just like, and

1006
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,800
why clearly isn't gonna go well, like, clearly should listen

1007
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:18,719
to the Ring Bear. Yeah, yeah, let the ring Bear decide,

1008
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:19,599
he should have said, but.

1009
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 1: And why is he the leader? Remember we tell his

1010
00:44:21,599 --> 00:44:24,000
last few episodes ago, like his elves tried to arrest

1011
00:44:24,119 --> 00:44:26,239
him a couple episodes ago, and when we talked about that,

1012
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:28,239
he was already singing with the group and they didn't care.

1013
00:44:28,280 --> 00:44:30,559
But just feels odd that he like breaks this rule

1014
00:44:30,639 --> 00:44:35,360
and he's completely he is outwardly said I'm not for

1015
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:37,440
you guys, using the ring I don't agree with your plan,

1016
00:44:37,679 --> 00:44:40,760
like he's every turn said I glad you in company.

1017
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:43,320
I disagree with you. He should not be the leader

1018
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:45,119
of the mission. He could be a part of it,

1019
00:44:45,199 --> 00:44:47,360
but he should not be the number one, you know

1020
00:44:47,519 --> 00:44:49,960
guy in my opinion, Like I agree with his sentiment

1021
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,400
because I still said that we talk. Okay, the rings

1022
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,639
are good, that's fine. But I understand his character's point

1023
00:44:54,639 --> 00:44:56,440
of view of hey, these could be messed up and

1024
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:58,440
let's not use him or let's wait and see. So

1025
00:44:58,559 --> 00:45:00,719
I get that, But if he's so opposed to you,

1026
00:45:01,079 --> 00:45:03,719
I don't understand why he is the shot caller right because.

1027
00:45:03,480 --> 00:45:06,840
Speaker 2: Of our great High King gil Khaled character that's gonna

1028
00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:10,840
outlast all of these characters pretty much, does he?

1029
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:12,039
Speaker 3: He?

1030
00:45:12,519 --> 00:45:16,519
Speaker 2: I guess not. I guess he dies the Battle of

1031
00:45:16,719 --> 00:45:19,320
the Last Alliance. Say you're right, Elron gets his ring,

1032
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:20,000
so there you go.

1033
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Gladrel lives on so and technically a sil

1034
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:24,480
door lives past him.

1035
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 2: Ring right actually, so yeah, never mind put into a

1036
00:45:27,519 --> 00:45:28,199
stock in this guy.

1037
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:31,119
Speaker 1: How much off topic? How long does the Silda have

1038
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:32,880
the ring? Did they specify in the books after he

1039
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:36,719
gets it? It looks like weeks, But.

1040
00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:38,639
Speaker 2: I think it's pretty fast, Like he doesn't have it

1041
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,920
that long. It's not like it's not like a weekend.

1042
00:45:41,039 --> 00:45:44,199
Speaker 3: How much of it too long?

1043
00:45:44,679 --> 00:45:47,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's going back to the woods to show that lady, look,

1044
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:48,960
you can leave your husband now I have a ring.

1045
00:45:52,239 --> 00:45:54,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I this this eleven stuff. For me, it's it's

1046
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:58,639
a bit disappointing so far. There are some good things,

1047
00:45:58,679 --> 00:46:01,599
like I I it's weird. I I liked the sequence

1048
00:46:01,639 --> 00:46:03,920
with Guadriil popping off, even if she ended up failing

1049
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:06,519
in the end. I really did not like the battle

1050
00:46:06,559 --> 00:46:09,119
with the the barrow Whites is what they called them.

1051
00:46:09,639 --> 00:46:12,480
To me, that's another things that's alluding to in the

1052
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:15,239
non spoiler section. That's not Lord of the Rings. To me,

1053
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:17,880
that's like two dark souls or like too diablow, Like

1054
00:46:17,960 --> 00:46:19,519
it's too high fantasy.

1055
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:22,719
Speaker 1: I feel like the Dead though, like Return of the King.

1056
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:23,239
I feel like that.

1057
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,079
Speaker 3: To me, there's like a distinct difference between the Army

1058
00:46:26,119 --> 00:46:28,480
of the Dead and these guys, and it's just it's

1059
00:46:28,559 --> 00:46:30,400
just not it was not all working for me, Like

1060
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,639
it looked good visually, and the idea of like them

1061
00:46:33,719 --> 00:46:36,519
getting stabbed and then they kind of recombined is cool.

1062
00:46:36,559 --> 00:46:39,280
And all, but yeah, just it just to me it

1063
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,639
was too high fantasy versus to me, like Lord of

1064
00:46:43,679 --> 00:46:45,079
the Rings is kind of like in between like mid

1065
00:46:45,159 --> 00:46:47,159
and high fantasy. It's like perfectly in the middle there

1066
00:46:47,199 --> 00:46:48,920
where they kind of hold back on some of those things.

1067
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:52,719
So I don't know, I didn't didn't love that section necessarily,

1068
00:46:52,800 --> 00:46:55,079
but I think the stuff prior to that, like it

1069
00:46:55,199 --> 00:46:57,360
was minimal, but I liked it where it was just

1070
00:46:57,480 --> 00:46:59,960
like a little travel, little mini travel sequence of them

1071
00:47:00,159 --> 00:47:02,039
getting to that bridge and then when they go to

1072
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:03,920
like the dark Woods and that's kind of when everything

1073
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:05,880
goes down. But I think, like I feel like in

1074
00:47:06,000 --> 00:47:10,159
season one, end this season, the province or the Woods

1075
00:47:10,199 --> 00:47:13,760
of Linden, whatever that is, it's been like one set piece.

1076
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,119
We pretty much just get, like the one like Gill

1077
00:47:16,199 --> 00:47:18,800
Gallad's like thrown airy where he's looking down, and then

1078
00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:20,519
we saw like the one dinner table I think when

1079
00:47:20,519 --> 00:47:23,039
the Dwarves came in season one, and I can't remember

1080
00:47:23,159 --> 00:47:25,199
like many other areas, like it just feels it feels

1081
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,400
like such a small area, even though I know it's

1082
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,280
probably this huge, massive, sprawling zone and so I just

1083
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:32,880
like seeing a little bit more of it. Like there's

1084
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:36,280
one sequence when they're just getting ready to leave, Elron

1085
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:39,000
and Gladra having a little conversation there where she's like

1086
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:41,679
still salty that he got promoted, but she kind of

1087
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:43,519
like is like, you know what, I do still respect

1088
00:47:43,559 --> 00:47:45,599
you enough that like let's just get it done. Like

1089
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:47,599
I'll get these I'll bring the people into this crew.

1090
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:49,800
And even the set piece they had there, I feel

1091
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,599
like they actually like that one set, even though it's small,

1092
00:47:53,000 --> 00:47:54,920
was probably a super expensive and it was just from

1093
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,119
a random little scene that they could have filmed once

1094
00:47:57,119 --> 00:47:59,039
again in that same zone that they've done everything else,

1095
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:01,280
and so I like just seeing a little different section

1096
00:48:01,440 --> 00:48:04,920
with some different like housing structures and then any yeah,

1097
00:48:05,199 --> 00:48:08,400
just drone like zoomed out footage of like characters running

1098
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:10,639
over hills and Lord of the Rings. That's like, that's

1099
00:48:10,719 --> 00:48:13,719
my favorite stuff of all time. So to get a

1100
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:15,639
couple of those scenes that really worked for me. But

1101
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:18,519
I think the unfortunate part here is that the the

1102
00:48:18,639 --> 00:48:21,039
rest of the Elves and this crew are just like

1103
00:48:21,159 --> 00:48:23,760
no name NPCs, like no personality to them, and so

1104
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:26,280
I can't really buy into like them as this crew,

1105
00:48:26,400 --> 00:48:28,000
and like it's not really the purpose because they all

1106
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:30,360
like two of them die right away and then they're

1107
00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:33,079
all like going back to Lindon immediately, except for glad girl,

1108
00:48:33,159 --> 00:48:35,280
who who knows where she's gonna end up, or at

1109
00:48:35,320 --> 00:48:36,960
least that's what they said here. I'm sure they're gonna

1110
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:39,000
go and try and save her if they if they know,

1111
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:42,000
But yeah, it's just uh there clearly wasn't a lot

1112
00:48:42,000 --> 00:48:43,800
of effort put into like making the rest of this

1113
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,760
crew interesting, but I just they just feel way too

1114
00:48:47,840 --> 00:48:51,159
young and like immature for what I expect for Elves,

1115
00:48:51,159 --> 00:48:53,000
and I guess that's just par for the course for

1116
00:48:53,039 --> 00:48:56,599
prequel territory. But once again, I don't know, not my

1117
00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:57,719
Lord of the Rings.

1118
00:48:57,480 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 1: And especially for me too. I thought they're even though

1119
00:48:59,840 --> 00:49:02,159
they have their little rivalry going on, I thought, Okay,

1120
00:49:02,239 --> 00:49:04,840
eventually that'll break apart and they'll get back together. But

1121
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:07,719
the fact that there el Ron and Gladra are already

1122
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,519
broken apart, it's like, oh, it's just l roun with

1123
00:49:10,639 --> 00:49:12,800
these Elves and now so maybe that's even it to

1124
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,880
where I feel like maybe being really hard on Adar,

1125
00:49:15,199 --> 00:49:17,480
but maybe it's just the fact of just she's just

1126
00:49:17,880 --> 00:49:19,840
back to kind of doing what she was doing last season,

1127
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,519
where other than having you know, Surron with her. She

1128
00:49:22,599 --> 00:49:25,239
was always jumping around to new character to kind of

1129
00:49:25,320 --> 00:49:27,400
talk with new character. Talk was I thought, okay her

1130
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:29,760
with a base of elves, el Ron, maybe those younger

1131
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,000
Elves they can build up the characters we like, because

1132
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,920
she said that one else's life, So maybe next episode

1133
00:49:34,920 --> 00:49:36,480
he could talk to her and thank her and they

1134
00:49:36,519 --> 00:49:39,400
could be something going on. I'm not saying romantic. I

1135
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:40,920
was just like just something to go, Oh, okay, I

1136
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,920
care about these characters now, right, But now she's just

1137
00:49:44,119 --> 00:49:46,679
off there and I don't think el Ron maybe maybe

1138
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:48,840
I hope that he'll have some good conversations with these

1139
00:49:48,880 --> 00:49:52,280
Elves and he can maybe he'll reflect and see his

1140
00:49:53,039 --> 00:49:55,840
errors and decide to trust Glladal. But I don't know

1141
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,159
if I get that vibe from what we've gone right now.

1142
00:49:58,239 --> 00:49:59,880
They just felt like they were kind of cannon farr

1143
00:50:00,199 --> 00:50:02,119
and it just it also feels weird, like I guess

1144
00:50:02,119 --> 00:50:05,400
it's the Ring, but just like I don't know. I

1145
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:07,960
thought I was supposed to be pretty well. I just

1146
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:09,840
thought that they could take down these orcs. I guess

1147
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:10,960
I just didn't know why, or.

1148
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:12,639
Speaker 3: They should have gone with a way bigger crew and

1149
00:50:12,719 --> 00:50:14,920
like I feel like, yeah, yeah, that too, a little

1150
00:50:14,920 --> 00:50:17,480
bit smarter as like a crew. Yeah, not even just

1151
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,079
like the crew that went out, but just the elve

1152
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,159
like in general r Yeah, deciding like how many people

1153
00:50:22,159 --> 00:50:24,719
are gonna go on this mission? Yeah, maybe they'll bump

1154
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:27,079
into the now because they fucked up so bad now

1155
00:50:27,199 --> 00:50:30,880
Soron's just gonna keep meddling with people's minds and ringing,

1156
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,280
and that's gonna just get so much worse. We were

1157
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:35,320
talking about like delayed they were to even send this

1158
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:37,880
party out, and now this party fucked up, and so

1159
00:50:38,039 --> 00:50:41,280
it's like, God, you guys are complete failures over here.

1160
00:50:41,679 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 1: Yeah no Elves, But I guess that is the point, right,

1161
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:47,199
They like they fuck up so like the everything happens

1162
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,800
in lowder of the Rings, right, So I guess that's

1163
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,639
always a tough thing, right where we're like, oh you

1164
00:50:50,679 --> 00:50:52,440
should be. I guess it's just I wish there was

1165
00:50:52,480 --> 00:50:55,480
a way you can make the characters smarter and then

1166
00:50:55,920 --> 00:50:58,920
just the bad guys even more clever, and that brings

1167
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:00,880
up the bad guys, right, and instead of what my

1168
00:51:01,280 --> 00:51:02,960
problem was with the first Rapsods was just like, oh,

1169
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:05,119
these guys are all idiots. They're just making dumb decisions.

1170
00:51:05,199 --> 00:51:07,880
So why do I care that Sarn's like the bad guy,

1171
00:51:08,039 --> 00:51:11,400
he's he's dealing with children. But no Sar on this episode,

1172
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,360
as we mentioned, not even a hint of him or

1173
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,480
end credit or anything. So I know calburn Borne anything

1174
00:51:16,519 --> 00:51:20,599
like that. No Dwarves. So let's take another ad break

1175
00:51:20,639 --> 00:51:23,920
that when we were back and we are back, Kirkling,

1176
00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:26,360
I said, I saw your mouth moving wake.

1177
00:51:26,159 --> 00:51:28,519
Speaker 2: In my mouth, my lips were moving, like like the

1178
00:51:28,639 --> 00:51:33,239
thing from nineteen ninety four Fantastic four war Was I

1179
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:35,559
going to, Oh, yeah, just like that's always been a

1180
00:51:35,639 --> 00:51:39,960
problem with me, And like anytime I have, like you know,

1181
00:51:40,079 --> 00:51:42,559
bring up Warhammer for example, when you're doing a faction

1182
00:51:42,880 --> 00:51:46,159
of Elves, it's always just like broke my mind in

1183
00:51:46,239 --> 00:51:49,679
the sense of like like balancing of a game or

1184
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:51,880
like an army like the show like that, right, Like

1185
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:55,039
like you can't just have one l feel take on

1186
00:51:55,119 --> 00:51:57,280
a thousand Orcs, even though in my mind I feel

1187
00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,599
like not to that level maybe, but like at least

1188
00:52:00,639 --> 00:52:03,880
ten orcs, Like I feel like one Elf soldier that's

1189
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:07,039
been alive for thousands of years. That is just like

1190
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:11,440
they can split an arrow, you know, uh yeah, split

1191
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,000
an arrow with their own arrow from like thousands yards away. Like,

1192
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:16,880
I just I see these individuals that have been alive

1193
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,239
for so long to just be like those master master swordsman. Now,

1194
00:52:21,679 --> 00:52:23,920
you know, visually, that's probably gonna be pretty boring if

1195
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:26,800
you just have like a crew of like ten elves

1196
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:28,440
that just can't be defeated, like they do have to

1197
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:32,360
have some struggle. So that's something I just try and

1198
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,719
look past. But I think in this episode in particular,

1199
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,760
it definitely stood out more of like these elves are

1200
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:42,760
just so stupid. Like imagine living hundreds upon hundreds of

1201
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,800
years whatever these elves are living, and then you just

1202
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,239
get fucking bobbed by these little orcs that have been

1203
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:49,119
around for like twelve weeks whatever the hell their life

1204
00:52:49,159 --> 00:52:53,000
cycle is. Like I I don't know, I'm normally able

1205
00:52:53,039 --> 00:52:54,880
to look past it, but I just think because of

1206
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,360
the actual execution of it, they just do look really

1207
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:01,119
dirty in this episode and really stupid. And I think

1208
00:53:01,159 --> 00:53:02,880
that's just gonna be a thing going for Like there's

1209
00:53:02,920 --> 00:53:05,360
just gonna be elves that just get bopped and look stupid.

1210
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:10,880
But I don't know, I I'm kind of in the

1211
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:14,039
middle on the whole barrel White sequence because I think, yeah,

1212
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,960
visually it looked amazing. I did like the combat in general.

1213
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,679
I like them kind of mentioning some like history of

1214
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:25,119
just like the ancient weaponry and how like like just

1215
00:53:25,199 --> 00:53:29,599
regular swords aren't killing these things. It's it's like somewhat

1216
00:53:29,679 --> 00:53:31,199
trying to like fill in the gaps on like what

1217
00:53:31,320 --> 00:53:34,639
the barow Whites are. Technically these things shouldn't even be

1218
00:53:34,719 --> 00:53:37,119
around until like the third age if I'm not mistaken,

1219
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:40,760
Like that's kind of a major difference canonically of just

1220
00:53:41,000 --> 00:53:44,519
just what these barrow Whites are. But I don't know.

1221
00:53:44,639 --> 00:53:47,679
I did like their inclusion nonetheless, for just like the

1222
00:53:47,800 --> 00:53:51,599
visual of it, even though the actual fighting of like

1223
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:53,639
the elves with them and the elves with the Orcs

1224
00:53:53,679 --> 00:53:56,159
I wasn't a big big fan of. And I think

1225
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:58,960
also just leading to this episode, I can't remember if

1226
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,079
they showcased a lot of battle. They at least showed

1227
00:54:01,079 --> 00:54:03,039
the barrel Whites and the trailer, but I was just

1228
00:54:03,159 --> 00:54:05,480
expecting these scenes to hit a lot more than maybe

1229
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:07,719
they did for me, So I was a little bit

1230
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:08,960
of a letdown there.

1231
00:54:09,400 --> 00:54:11,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, just what kind of random just like, oh, they're here,

1232
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:13,320
and then they explained it. I don't mind it because

1233
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,400
I like the I like the visual. It was a

1234
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:16,960
fun little moment, but I thought it was gonna be

1235
00:54:17,280 --> 00:54:18,320
maybe a bit bigger deal.

1236
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 3: But nonetheless, I feel like a lot of the white

1237
00:54:22,440 --> 00:54:26,039
they were just standing in the background, like watching as

1238
00:54:26,119 --> 00:54:29,199
like one would fight. At a time, it was the

1239
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,039
duets stunted.

1240
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:36,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really don't have much to ad like cool

1241
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:39,440
to see some ents, I don't. I think we've told

1242
00:54:39,440 --> 00:54:39,719
it before.

1243
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: I don't get lives lives here.

1244
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:44,079
Speaker 1: I don't know much to add on the elphan, his

1245
00:54:44,199 --> 00:54:47,199
adopted son, I I guess already in this episode seems

1246
00:54:47,199 --> 00:54:49,440
like that son's kind of I won't say forgiving him,

1247
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:51,360
but he's like, you know so bad, you know, like,

1248
00:54:51,599 --> 00:54:53,159
but they're both of their own things, so they're gonna

1249
00:54:53,159 --> 00:54:55,440
be separated. So I don't know what they're gonna do

1250
00:54:55,519 --> 00:54:58,760
with that kid character to get me intrigued all him separately.

1251
00:54:59,599 --> 00:55:02,119
But I'm opening again the elf will bump into maybe

1252
00:55:02,159 --> 00:55:04,159
our other elves l Ron or some point. Maybe that'll

1253
00:55:04,239 --> 00:55:07,679
just even make him more fun. I don't mind him

1254
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:10,480
being like a just kind of stern elf, because sometimes

1255
00:55:10,559 --> 00:55:13,480
those elves have a lack of personality. So I don't

1256
00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,400
mind that he gets some cool action stuff, but yeah,

1257
00:55:16,480 --> 00:55:18,760
not much here for me. I actually did, like I

1258
00:55:18,880 --> 00:55:22,480
forgot the name the lady that's with a seal door.

1259
00:55:22,559 --> 00:55:24,199
That's we weren't sure if she's a fraud or what

1260
00:55:24,320 --> 00:55:27,360
the deal is. But really like that he just caught

1261
00:55:27,400 --> 00:55:30,079
that right away. Yeah, I thought that was really cool

1262
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:33,480
of just like he's like nicely asking her questions, but

1263
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:37,440
it's very a detective way where he's already knows something's

1264
00:55:37,519 --> 00:55:38,880
up here. This is an ad up. So I actually

1265
00:55:38,960 --> 00:55:41,719
like now the wild man on her yeah, or just

1266
00:55:41,760 --> 00:55:44,199
a burn too, you know, So I just like that

1267
00:55:44,519 --> 00:55:47,880
if for example, here I like to think of Elves

1268
00:55:47,920 --> 00:55:49,960
maybe being a little higher in the food team. As

1269
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,000
far as swits to me, he showed it right there

1270
00:55:52,039 --> 00:55:54,320
of right away he picked up on it. And then

1271
00:55:54,360 --> 00:55:56,280
he you know, bent her neck down. So I'll look

1272
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,840
at this mark. And again I thought, I actually didn't

1273
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,639
mind what they did with her character. At first, she

1274
00:56:00,679 --> 00:56:02,719
goes no, no, like I just wanted to get rid

1275
00:56:02,719 --> 00:56:04,480
of the mark because they would have trusted me. And

1276
00:56:04,559 --> 00:56:06,079
then in the middle episode when she pulled the sword

1277
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:08,599
on a cyelder, I wasn't sure of Okay, was it.

1278
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:10,880
The story is she's still actually like an agent of

1279
00:56:10,920 --> 00:56:12,960
Ador and like working with them, so I think, and

1280
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,000
even then I still think they're leaning towards she's not.

1281
00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:17,480
We met her like betrothed and we have to see

1282
00:56:17,519 --> 00:56:19,679
a Sildor just be like coucked out, like oh my god,

1283
00:56:19,800 --> 00:56:23,079
like this sucks, but like, yeah, I I liked the

1284
00:56:23,199 --> 00:56:26,079
wits he got there, but that's about Yeah. Again, I'm

1285
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:27,840
saying with a Sealdor, I think we're all in that

1286
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:30,400
bandwagon if I've not enjoyed this character too much for

1287
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:33,239
such a massive character down the line.

1288
00:56:33,400 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 2: But you know, just because you have an interesting moment

1289
00:56:36,800 --> 00:56:38,599
in your life doesn't mean your whole life is interesting,

1290
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,639
and you haven't realizing that with the sealed door here,

1291
00:56:40,920 --> 00:56:41,639
yeah that's true.

1292
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,039
Speaker 1: And again we always joke he was an idiot, right

1293
00:56:44,039 --> 00:56:45,440
and lord of the Rings he's you know, he didn't

1294
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,159
give up the rings, so you know.

1295
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:50,360
Speaker 2: So it chopped off sour on his hand though that's

1296
00:56:50,400 --> 00:56:51,639
something not even glad you could do.

1297
00:56:52,199 --> 00:56:55,559
Speaker 1: I guess it's like a very like I don't think. Yeah,

1298
00:56:55,880 --> 00:56:58,400
definitely he was more smy and over confident. You know,

1299
00:56:58,559 --> 00:57:01,719
he's he's taken. He just killed dads, He's like pimping off.

1300
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,199
Speaker 2: Like tended it is injured. He's like, oh uh I

1301
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:07,039
get breathe, I'm winded, and then just stabs him in

1302
00:57:07,119 --> 00:57:07,400
the hand.

1303
00:57:09,159 --> 00:57:11,639
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, I I'm trying to think what I have

1304
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,440
to add to this sequence. I thought it was it

1305
00:57:13,480 --> 00:57:16,119
was similar how you said, Travis that they with Poppy

1306
00:57:16,239 --> 00:57:18,480
last season, how it's like, oh, she's gone. Then at

1307
00:57:18,519 --> 00:57:20,360
the start of the season, like she's just instantly back

1308
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:21,599
with the crew. It's like, why'd you even do that.

1309
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:23,960
I felt a little bit of that energy with Estrid

1310
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,360
where we had that kind of teaser sizzler at the

1311
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:28,280
end of the last I think it was episode three

1312
00:57:28,719 --> 00:57:31,400
when we see the reveal of her like burning off

1313
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,239
the ad our symbol, and I thought we were gonna

1314
00:57:33,280 --> 00:57:35,320
like play with that for a while, but it was

1315
00:57:35,360 --> 00:57:36,719
just like once again at the start is episode, like

1316
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:38,880
Eron was like, hey, I know you got on your

1317
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,480
neck there. I can smell the skin burning. So it

1318
00:57:41,559 --> 00:57:43,199
was just a bit too quick. I maybe wish we

1319
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:44,920
like went a little bit back and forth, whereas we

1320
00:57:45,000 --> 00:57:47,159
kind of revealed now there still is some mystery around

1321
00:57:47,199 --> 00:57:51,039
her character. Where does she stand. She's quite an erratic character,

1322
00:57:51,119 --> 00:57:53,880
which adds some intrigue to some of these scenes, no doubt.

1323
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,039
But yeah, I think some of the like the love

1324
00:57:56,159 --> 00:57:58,880
triangle stuff is a bit weaker for me just because

1325
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:02,239
of the maybe acting quality from some of these people,

1326
00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:05,599
or just even just the scenes in general. And like, yeah,

1327
00:58:05,639 --> 00:58:07,760
whenever we're at these sequences right now with the co

1328
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,840
seal door and stuff, I'm just immediately slightly more checked

1329
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:14,119
out than like other storylines as well, So maybe that's

1330
00:58:14,239 --> 00:58:17,199
that's part of it. The ants, I thought they were Okay,

1331
00:58:17,199 --> 00:58:19,239
I didn't. I didn't love the CGI like it. It

1332
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:23,280
doesn't look bad, but I'm just you know, I'm very

1333
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:24,840
much like old man over here. I just love the

1334
00:58:24,840 --> 00:58:28,599
way the ants look in back in my original trilogy there.

1335
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:31,559
So they're just a bit too shiny and CGI glistening

1336
00:58:31,679 --> 00:58:34,960
these days and something about like the dark grittiness that

1337
00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:36,840
they had back in the day. So I don't know,

1338
00:58:36,920 --> 00:58:39,519
maybe that's just a me issue, but yeah, this sequence

1339
00:58:39,559 --> 00:58:41,760
didn't really work for me that much. I didn't really

1340
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:44,039
like the mud trap situation like they they I think

1341
00:58:44,079 --> 00:58:46,320
they kind of did that to show where does Astid

1342
00:58:46,360 --> 00:58:48,480
sign like she had the ability to flee there, but

1343
00:58:48,639 --> 00:58:51,320
she went and got the stick to save them. To me,

1344
00:58:51,440 --> 00:58:53,639
it was just a bit too much of them trying

1345
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:56,840
to be like, oh you remember that octopus sequence before

1346
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:58,719
the Minds of Moria, like all we can we can

1347
00:58:58,800 --> 00:59:01,519
do that too. It is like the same thing the stick,

1348
00:59:02,159 --> 00:59:06,119
you know, and uh, them getting sucked in so I I,

1349
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:08,760
I don't know they've been they've they do that every

1350
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:10,239
once in a while on the show where they'd like

1351
00:59:10,360 --> 00:59:12,800
either have a very similar line of dialogue or a

1352
00:59:12,880 --> 00:59:15,760
sequence that's like kind of like a callback to what

1353
00:59:15,880 --> 00:59:19,039
we've seen, you know, previously, And in this case, it

1354
00:59:19,039 --> 00:59:20,639
didn't didn't really work for me. It was just like

1355
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,039
a boring little mud pit sequence.

1356
00:59:23,119 --> 00:59:30,519
Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, they had a nameless thing in here

1357
00:59:30,679 --> 00:59:33,000
that was kind of a cool little moment. That's a

1358
00:59:33,159 --> 00:59:36,920
creature that around here slices up from the inside. They

1359
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:40,440
get gulfed up. So the nameless things are just a

1360
00:59:40,519 --> 00:59:44,840
cool Simarillian type cannon thing where just during the Song

1361
00:59:44,920 --> 00:59:47,519
of the iin Ore, just discourse was going on, and

1362
00:59:47,639 --> 00:59:50,800
some of those discourses were the nameless things. Uh, you

1363
00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,159
all interacted with the nameless thing in the great film

1364
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:55,360
Fellowship of the Ring. That's the thing that grabs them

1365
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:59,679
and Maria. Uh so they're basically just creatures that are

1366
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,440
just evil and they're just nameless and they're just ancient.

1367
01:00:02,519 --> 01:00:04,280
And I just like that idea of there're just.

1368
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 3: They're not nameless. So they're called dinner.

1369
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:11,480
Speaker 2: Now the once called nameless. Uh No, you're right, but

1370
01:00:11,599 --> 01:00:14,719
I I I did like just I don't know, just

1371
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:19,079
having that there, like just giving the name of the

1372
01:00:19,159 --> 01:00:22,400
nameless being in there. It's just more world building stuff.

1373
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, I just the line of dialogue was very similar,

1374
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:27,920
was like you don't know what lurks in the Yeah,

1375
01:00:28,440 --> 01:00:30,639
the world is very similar to that, because that has

1376
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:33,280
I think it's when they're in Mario when Gandalf says

1377
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:35,400
that line, right when they're like sitting on the steps.

1378
01:00:35,440 --> 01:00:36,599
Is that when he drops that line.

1379
01:00:36,639 --> 01:00:38,119
Speaker 2: I think when he's trying to figure out to open

1380
01:00:38,159 --> 01:00:38,480
the door.

1381
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, like the Hobbits.

1382
01:00:40,199 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 2: Like tossing stones, it's like you never know what it looks.

1383
01:00:43,719 --> 01:00:46,480
Whatever the hell he says, don't disturb the water.

1384
01:00:50,119 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 3: I think that's all my notes this.

1385
01:00:51,639 --> 01:00:53,800
Speaker 2: I don't really have much else to really touch upon.

1386
01:00:54,079 --> 01:00:55,519
I really don't have much, like at all on the

1387
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:59,119
sould dour stuff other than what you guys mentioned and yes,

1388
01:00:59,320 --> 01:01:01,400
it's just which we spent some time elsewhere.

1389
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:05,119
Speaker 1: I think that's it. I think, yeah, we've got those

1390
01:01:05,159 --> 01:01:07,880
assassins that still just threatening people saying, oh.

1391
01:01:07,840 --> 01:01:09,719
Speaker 2: My, I laughed so hard when the Dark Wizard was

1392
01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:12,840
just like he's like, what happened? You took the job?

1393
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:13,159
Speaker 1: Whatever?

1394
01:01:13,199 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 2: The fuck? There their conversation is there, and then I

1395
01:01:16,960 --> 01:01:18,559
like how he's just like, I'll deal with the a Star,

1396
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,320
like you just focus on the on the Hobbits now

1397
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essentially like the hard Foots and why this whole thing started,

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because it's like they took the task to assassinate the

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Star and then it's like, how are you gonna get them? Well,

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I'm gonna attack his weakness, which is the Hobbits, and

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now they fucking lost the job to take on the Istar.

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And now he's like, well, just take on the Hobbits.

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That was like your little side quest that you took on.

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But you know, guys are kind of goofballs. They they're badass.

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Repeaked when I first saw them, and then that like,

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the more they're on screen, I just not impressed with

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these assassins.

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Speaker 1: And you know what's gonna happen. They're gonna find them

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in the other Hobbits, and there's gonna be like some

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comedic way that they like outsmart them and like Hobbit

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tree and everything.

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Speaker 2: And whimsical music going on during the sequence too.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well that's it.

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Speaker 2: No other notes, noteless Well there you go, noteless ones.

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Speaker 1: Or I call it geek first, but we Well, I'll

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be back. I'll be on the road. I got a

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field trip. I'm not I'm appropriate field trips. I got

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a trip next week go to see some wrestling, so

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I'll be in Seattle. So next week you're gonna get

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the Poblows with the as. So long as are all here,

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Dylan Kirkland antef you know why they're called the Poblows.

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Check out this weekend when bread Butter drops. There some

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fun things to be discussed there. But uh yeah, hopefully

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you guys have a good time. Hopefully guys enjoyed this episode,

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enjoy all the other coverage of all the other stuff

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we're talking about here on the feeds. Everyone have a

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good weekend, and we'll talk to you next week, and

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I promise you it'll not be boring.

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Speaker 2: Bye.

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Speaker 3: Why