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Speaker 4: And anyway, I usually I'm doing my show on Thursdays,

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Speaker 5: So glad, really glad to be on.

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Speaker 2: Indeed, we're always happy to have you. It was a

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gentlemen as always, and does w WBS Apparel have any

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and then my personal favorite is the Miami Vice colors.

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So yeah, I get your guys yourselves a pair of

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Miami Vice Rhodesian shorts. Alrighty, let's get right to it, Fellas. First,

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we're gonna have to talk about some some more stories

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that we were mentioning last week, but more details have

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come out. So officially now the Asad regime has fallen

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in Syria. So Bashar al Sad, renowned optometrist, has escaped

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to Russia with this family. Here's a video you're brought

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to us by Russians with attitude, showing the Syrian army

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evacuating in There are thousands and apparently this is a

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video of Russians and I quote translated as basically calling

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him a bunch of f slurs for retreating and routing.

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on with the whole serious situation. What are some of

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the most important parts that are important for us as Americans,

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Speaker 6: I should be clear that I have not followed up

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on it in the last twenty four hours, but as

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of twenty four hours ago, I was following it pretty closely.

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in the immediate past that have slipped through the cracks

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that the West has well, the West, with its closest

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Middle Eastern ally, has wanted to bring down Syria for

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quite some time. The quote unquote Arab spring that kicked

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off more than twenty years ago. It wasn't immediately in Syria,

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but Syria was one of the first targets. You also

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it was Algeria and that region. There were issues with

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Libya and the rest, but one of the primary targets,

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certainly one of the most desired targets for the Israelis

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and for the Turks and the United States. Was to

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see the Asad government fall in Syria. There are a

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number of geostrategic reasons for that, a primary one being

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that it provided an overland logistical corridor for Iran to

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supply Hezbolah in Lebanon, but there are other reasons, likely

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having to do with energy and pipelines. Concern on the

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part of the Turks to be sure that energy supplies

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that passed through to Europe that they had some role

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to play in that. Russian concerns with making sure that

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alternate routes for Europe to get energy didn't get established

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because of their desire to maintain that strategic leverage over Europe.

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but also their desire presumably for greater territorial expansion, the

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whole idea of a greater Israel. They're concerns about the

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Golden Heights and high ground there. So there's a lot

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that basically got shut down by Russian intervention. But all

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the Russians were able to do, and the Iranians and

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has Balan some other people that came in to fight

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on behalf of Assad. At the time, all that they

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were really able to do was freeze this situation in place,

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with Syria having pretty much been partitioned and carved up

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horribly and weakened and put into a very very poor

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economic situation, and so that situation has has has held

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up until recently with the United States militia forces called

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of Syria, US backed Kurdish militias and other groups there.

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primarily like Maoist Marxist atheists, trying to set up their

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own region there with the YPG, which is sort of

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a different face of the PKK that has given Turkey

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trouble for so long. Likewise, there was an area that

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got absorbed and reshaped by the Turks fairly early on,

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near the province there jutting southern sort of salient of

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the province of Hatai, the former seljuk of a Sanjak

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of Alexandretta. The Turks moved across the border from there

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and took places like Eprin, and they exercised the facto

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control over the industrial the Syrian industrial center of Aleppo.

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jihadi forces hold up in it I live after they

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got pushed there by the Hesbalah and Iranian and Russian intervention.

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area of Syria with their own armed forces directly rather

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than through proxies, in order to establish what they're calling

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a buffer zone. And in addition to that, you of

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a long time ago near the gold On Heights or

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in the gol On Heights, and then there was there

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the Syrian Democratic forces, the Kurdish groups that the US backs,

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as well as down near the border with Jordan in

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a place called Altnav. So I guess the first thing

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is to recognize that the various the coalition of Western

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powers has been trying to take a sod down for

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quite some time. It's well over a decade now. Intervention

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on the part of the Russians and their allies, the

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Iranians and the rest managed to freeze it for a time,

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but it has been a horrible mess. And apparently the

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Syrian elites have been subverted, had been subverted to some extent,

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certainly military command and the military itself. And so, you know,

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a couple of weeks ago we had an offensive come

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pouring out of Idlib in the direction of Aleppo, and

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if any of the various reports are coming out are

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to be trusted, a certain number of the troops that

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were supposed to be defending against this to protect Syria

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went over to the enemy side and joined them. A

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proportion of them, probably a more significant proportion, dropped their weapons,

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stripped out of their uniforms and just tried to get

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the hell out of dodge. Are said to have been

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financial incentives offered for this. You know, you ad soldiers

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who are getting paid something like seven dollars a month,

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and if the reports are to be trusted, they were

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offered something like four hundred dollars to throw down their

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weapons and move along. Apparently a lot of the Syrian

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military equipment was seized and from there Aleppo fell and

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then Hama, and the idea was that the troops were

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going to back up and defend themselves in the area

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of Humps, which is strategically important because it connects the

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coastal enclave of of Latakia, which hosts the Russian naval base,

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refueling station and the Russian air base there with Damascus

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and some of the other areas of Syria. But as

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it happened, that didn't hold and the Syrian forces collapsed

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very very quickly, so much so that it's not even

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really accurate to call it a lightning offensive. It was

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basically a lightning retreat. There was a resistance to the

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movement of these rebel forces in the beginning, with Russians

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carrying out sorties to bomb them from the air and

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apparently fairly effective ones. But the Syrian forces on the

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ground just did not hold up, and Assad is said

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to have departed for Russia and has been granted some

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sort of asylum or refuge there. This has been confirmed

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by the Russian authorities, and at present the mess of

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Syria looks like it's going to get a whole lot messier.

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followed this more closely than I do describe it as

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not being the end of the Syrian problem, but the

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beginning of a whole new phase. Effectively, the Iranians have

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been cut off in terms of overland routes from Hesbola.

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Israel has moved into the southern parts of Syria, in

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particular flanking the Lebanese border, moving north and thereby beginning

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to enclose or to surround more effectively the Hesbelat forces

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in the south of Lebanon. This of course is following

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on the heels as everyone knows of major Israeli efforts

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to take ground there, which weren't successful. But there were

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a number of successful Israeli attacks on the leadership of Hesbola,

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the stuff with the pagers and with the heavy bombing

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of Beirut that killed the leader of Hesbola as well

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as many of their you know, the their upper levels

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of their hierarchy. So it's a terrible mess. Last I looked,

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there was fighting going on between the Turkish backed forces

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in the northeast. This includes like Hayataria Sham as well

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as sna Assyrian National Army as they call it there

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in the northeast excuse me, there in the northwest, whereas

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the Kurds are in the northeast, and the Turkish backed

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forces have been moving eastward approaching the Euphrates River, and

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I believe they did push the Kurdish primarily Kurdish militia

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forces back east of the Euphrates River and up in

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that northeastern area you've got the lion's share of Syrian

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energy resources as well as the better part of their farmland,

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which the US and those Kurdish forces retain control of.

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So it looks like we're going to all have to

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sit back and fetch some popcorn to watch this tragedy

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unfold through its next phase with the different forces in

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this region coming into conflict in terms of, you know,

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each of their respective visions for what's supposed to happen

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in the area. Now, there's quite a bit more I

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could go into in terms of possibilities that can't be confirmed,

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but I think that's the general picture. If I missed anything,

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red Hawk, Pete Stephen that throw it in.

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you don't mind, But this feels like there's a certain pattern,

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which is that, you know, the globalist American empire knocks

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out bathist or secular rulers. I think Saddam Hussein would

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fit in this category and maybe I'm sorry Kadafi right,

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And in their place we usually get some kind of

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like radical brand of Islamic rule. And I'm probably forgetting

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other examples just to.

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Speaker 5: Make it simple. Why why does Israel slash US empire?

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I repeat myself? Uh want that? Like?

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Speaker 4: Why better to deal with Nazi Islamic terrorist types than

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secular bathhist rulers or whatever.

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Speaker 6: Well, in general, Bathhism is a form of nationalism. It's uh,

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it's basically Pete probably knows you could more about somebody

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like like Thomas knows quite a bit more about this.

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But Baphism is a movement that appeared on the heels

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of of Ataturk stuff had come up. Pusha's a massive

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success in establishing Turkey as something like a military guaranteed republic,

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shifting it with a with a great deal of you know,

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tricks up its sleeve in terms of framing what had

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always been an imperial sort of heterogeneous population as being Turks. Right,

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in imposing a sort of nationalist identity on the former

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Ottoman Empire, it became necessary to kind of, you know,

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smear all kinds of groups together Circassians, Turkmen, people of

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European descent, Kurds as well in Turkey. But nevertheless, Auto

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Turk had a great deal of success with it, and

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this idea of a republic built on a sort of

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nationalist framework and guaranteed by the military. In fact, it

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was so successful that you saw other players in the

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region take it up. So you had a Nasser later

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in Egypt, who of course was causing all sorts of

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problems for Israel. You had Saddam Hussein, had a Sad

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group did it on this basis, So they want nationalism gone. Also,

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one of the major things that they do in order

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to split up countries is to leverage minority populations or

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i should say exploit minority populations against the majority or

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vice versa.

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Speaker 3: You know, wherever that sounds familiar, That sounds like a

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playbook they've been using for a long time.

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Speaker 6: Yes, and with the Kurds in particular, you have to

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remember that with the Psychspico agreement and later sort of

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arrangements made by the British and the French and others,

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that you have to remember that that northeastern corner of

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Syria that you can see in the top left quadrant

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of the map there on the map that's in the

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top left quadrant, but it's the top right quadrant in

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the Syria map. That's just one slice of the pie,

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so to speak, of the stateless group of tribes that

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we call Kurds. That there's another slice that overlaps with

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a significant portion of Turkish territory, a significant portion of

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Iranian territory, and a significant portion of Iraqi territory. So

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the way that the map of nations were somewhat arbitrarily

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drawn in the region following World War One and planned

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during and before World War One, the Kurds were basically

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split up across these various states, which means that they're

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kind of like a lever that can be pulled by

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the West to destabilize any one of these countries in

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which they're a significant portion of the population.

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Speaker 5: I never thought of the Kurds as convenient, but I

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get it.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, though they're certainly not convenient for the Iraqis,

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the Syrians, the Turks of the ira Yeah.

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Speaker 4: Convenient from the point of view of the US Empire, Yeah, yeah, yes.

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Speaker 6: And so there's that there's also quite a bit going

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on with energy, because you have the the Gulf states,

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like the Emirates and the rest Katas, these countries want

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to get their energy out and they're concerned because they've

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taken to a considerable extent, particularly places like Kattash. They've

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set themselves up as being aligned with the US more

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so than with Iran. And of course Iran has its

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own energy that it wants to ship out. And if

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you look at a map of the Persian Gulf, you

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will see that they're at the straits at the mouth

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of the Persian Gulf going out into the wider waters.

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Iran can exercise influence there. So if something went down

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with Iran the energy income, which is, you know, a

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primary source of revenue for the Emirates and the rest,

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if that gets shut down, they're screwed. So they want

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to be able to pipe their energy out to the

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west in some way that will not be subject to

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Iranian interdiction or that will you know, or in some

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fashion that won't get screwed up if the Western Powers

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or Israel go to war with Iran. And in order

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to do that, they're gonna have to go westward. And

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Turkey has very rough country. Turkey also has a pipeline

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already just north of the northern Syrian border, and it's

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been subject to many sort of terroristic sabotage attacks over

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the years. So Kotar is looking for a way to

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go westward, and basically they want to get out to

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the Mediterranean or you know, or to find some other route.

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And for some time it looked like they might be

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able to cut some deal and go through Syria. And

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that's a thing that the West more broadly might not want.

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Turkey certainly has it in its interest to make sure

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as many pipelines as possible flow through Turkish territory, you know,

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like ones coming from a Zerabaijan, some of the ones

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that might still be carrying Russian gas, they get up

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into places like Bulgaria, Moldova and the rest. So it's

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there's a there's an energy war. So you have to

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understand that over the last decade or so, it has

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become apparent that there are very very significant gas and

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oil resources in the eastern Mediterranean Sea. And so if

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you look at this little map of Syria, and remember

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this is pretty much the only major territory in the

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region that's aligned with Russia, you see how the map

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of Turkey shows that little peninsula, so to speak, of

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territory jutting southward along the coast. That's the province of Hatai.

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And then you see Lebanon there, which has created all

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kinds of problems for Israel. Israel has likewise created all

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kinds of problems from Lebanon. So from Israel to the

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southern tip of the province of Hattai. There you have

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this whole section of Levantine coastline, and it has corresponding

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offshore claims to energy in that region. Now, if you

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were to look at a map of eastern Mediterranean gas

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and oil reserves, you'll see there a whole bunch of them,

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and that Israel and Egypt have begun to exploit them.

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And there were plans prior to Biden coming into office

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for Israel and Egypt to run a pipeline over to

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Greece and then to Italy to run energy into the

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European Union. But Biden came into office and immediately shut

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that down because it would seem, you know, judging from

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things like his son's involvement with Barisma, judging from things

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about the enormous energy resources in the Black Sea. Apparently

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the idea was that the Brussels cadre, you know, allied

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with people like you know, allied with the sorts of

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people that you would call it, you know, a Trudeau

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or a Clinton or an Obama. This whole crew wanted

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to put Europe on a more stable footing in terms

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of energy, and apparently they settled upon doing that with Ukraine.

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No course, they'd also get all sorts of mineral deposits

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and coke and coal and industrial production in the Dombas,

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but that seemed to have been the decision. Now what's

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happening is it looks like that might not turn out

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the way that Black Rock and Brussels and the City

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of London and the gay so to speak, had won it,

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which means they're going to have to find other ways

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to bring energy in. And net Nahu had been doing

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quite a bit to have Israel involved in a major

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energy play. They've been blocked by the Turks in some

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respects with things having to do with Cyprus. But I

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guess what I'm getting at here. I don't want to

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wine too far down this rabbit hole, but the point

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is that you're about to see Eastern Mediterranean energy resources

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become important again, even though they were temporarily shut down

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by Biden in terms of answering the sucking energy needs

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of Europe, It's likewise probably going to be a situation

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where Trump brings everything back online. Drill baby, drill, baby, drill.

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So they don't want a competitor like Russia who is

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going to be directly affected by all of this in Syria,

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certainly not along that coastal strip.

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Speaker 3: Well, they're going to I mean, Thomas made this point.

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I just released an episode a couple hours where we

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talked about this. Russia will go to war to keep

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those ports sports. They consider those ports to be strategic,

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and they consider them to be absolutely essential. They'll go

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to war to keep those ports, and that seems to

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be their stance right now.

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Speaker 6: And they did, in fact go to war to keep

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those ports because, as you just to your point, they

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intervened in Syria to protect those relationships and those ports

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because otherwise they're pushed out of this entire game. They're

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also involved in Libya, and I don't want to spread

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this too far afield, but you've got two factions, so

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to speak, two coalitions in Libya that are going back

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and forth, and that's all frozen at the moment. But

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all of that that Turkey signed to deal with Libya

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some years back, with one of those governments claiming to

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have rights to these Eastern Mediterranean resources. There's quite quite

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a bit going on with energy here. Now I'm not,

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for my part, sure that Russia will stay and attempt

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to keep those I think, all things being equal, they

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want to and they love to have them, and it

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will be a significant blow to them if they lose them.

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But there, excuse me, there is also the issue of Sudan.

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Russia was trying to put a naval base in in

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Sudan and then it all broke up into civil war

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in Sudan. And you've got the stuff going on in

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the Sahel as well. So all these things are related.

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It's tied to energy. Russia would like to keep those bases.

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If they can't, uh, the one that they made agreements

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with one of the Sudanese one of the competing Sudanese

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governments to set up will be much more important because

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they're trying to build their relationships in Africa. So I'm

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agreeing with Thomas. This is and you this is an

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important area Russia would like to keep it. I just

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I don't know at this point if they can. It

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does seem likely that if the so called rebels and

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Hts and Julania and the rest, if they're not total fools,

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it's in their interest to keep the Russians there, so

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they have other power players to balance against the ones

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who are going to be pressuring them. So we'll see

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how canny they are as opposed to how stupid. But

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you really have to look at that leventee coast there

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between the southern tip of Turkey at Hattai and Israel

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in the south as being a problem in terms of

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long term planning for how everything's going to fall out

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or develop in terms of the East Mediterranean energy, not

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least because if Israel can make this happen, you're going

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to have Israel with more territory, with its enemies pushback further,

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and it's going to have a regular stream of income

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as an energy producing country, not just answering its own

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energy needs, which is a significant strategic issue right because if,

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as we all know, if Turkey had cut off the

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energy going to Israel at any point over the last

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few years, it could have really worsened the Israeli economic situation.

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So if Israel gets on the secure footing in terms

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of producing its own energy offshore, that's a huge win

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for net yahoo for Israel as well. But if they

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can also generate a large amount of income from exporting

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some proportion of that energy. And remember, if Israel is

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in that region doing it, they're slowly going to set

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themselves up in a position of more importance and a

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more centralized control in running the operations of neighboring countries

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like Egypt and Lebanon who have their own offshore resources.

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It will basically be like, Hey, you want to see

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it at the table. You want to play this game,

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You're going to have to go through Israel, because we've

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got the relationships to you send it over to Europe,

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we have the meaningful veto. So all of these things

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are connected. I'm sorry that I go so far afield

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with it, but as soon as you start to scratch

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at any one aspect of it, it connects to the

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other elements of the great game.

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Speaker 3: Well, let's jump off energy for a second and let's

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talk about you know what most people would want to

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talk about ERTs Israel. They're doing this because they want

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the quote unquote biblical land. They're already They're in southern

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Syria right now. They post up maps of what they

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want all the time. But maybe you can speak to

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this a little bit, Oliver, since you know Turkey better

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than any of us. Erdiwan goes on TV with maps

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all the time too, and he talks about taking parts

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of Iran, taking the taking Kurdish Iraq he wants to.

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He talks about reinstating the Ottoman Empire. And it seems

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just as crazy as when Israel talks about how they're

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going to take Iraq. They're going to take to They're

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going to take all this, are going to take Egypt.

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But you have these are obviously the two power players

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in this is Russia obviously took some kind of deal

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to stand down. Iran took some kind of a deal

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to stand down. Turkey is Turkey is looking to take

478
00:31:24,799 --> 00:31:30,160
is taking parts of northern Syria. So are we seeing

479
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:36,000
are we entering into a new age of well, let's

480
00:31:37,319 --> 00:31:39,240
this is what we were promised, This is what we

481
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,640
were promised by Mohammad, this is what we were promised

482
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,559
by Yahweh. We're going to just start taking land?

483
00:31:47,319 --> 00:31:49,519
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, clearly we have entered that phase because

484
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:53,640
they're all taking land, no doubt about that. For me,

485
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:56,680
Erdawan is a bit of a cipher. I was dismissive

486
00:31:56,759 --> 00:32:00,880
of him back in the day as being just sort

487
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,599
of a basic tinpot dictator, and I have been forced

488
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:07,400
to revise that, and I do so here publicly because

489
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:12,759
he has been very effective, very capable in resisting attempts

490
00:32:12,799 --> 00:32:17,119
to unseat him, and he is skillfully played the West

491
00:32:17,279 --> 00:32:22,480
against powers further east. But I guess I should throw

492
00:32:22,559 --> 00:32:26,240
one more peace in here before we jump to the

493
00:32:26,319 --> 00:32:30,599
specific question you were asking Pete, and that is that

494
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:34,359
there are three major players here. Historically you have Anatolia

495
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:38,599
and the Hittites going way way back. You have the Persians,

496
00:32:38,599 --> 00:32:42,359
whether it's a Kamenids or Sassinids, right, and then you

497
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:45,599
have Egypt. Once upon a time, those were the three

498
00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:48,759
great historical powers. I mean, for a time you had

499
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:53,400
the Assyrians and the rest very early on Babylon in

500
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:56,519
the rest, but they ultimately ended up that whole region

501
00:32:57,279 --> 00:33:01,200
ends up falling under the influence by turns or being

502
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:05,759
partitioned by turns between these three powers Egypt or you know,

503
00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:12,799
various various forms of control in Egypt over the years Anatolia,

504
00:33:13,079 --> 00:33:17,880
the Ottoman Empire, the Hittites, Turkey, whatever, Iran, you know,

505
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:23,279
whether it's whether it's Parthians or or or Assassinids or

506
00:33:23,319 --> 00:33:26,000
Achamanids and the rest. So they're really three major powers here.

507
00:33:27,279 --> 00:33:31,359
Egypt less so these days, and Israel is this new one.

508
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,240
But Israel is reliant upon you know, it's trade and

509
00:33:36,319 --> 00:33:40,920
its energy support and on money from abroad. So it

510
00:33:40,920 --> 00:33:44,559
may become a very different picture here if Israel gets

511
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,319
itself on a solid footing with energy and so that

512
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:53,400
concerns a Turkey because and it concerns Iran, and to

513
00:33:53,440 --> 00:33:56,440
a considerable extent, it concerns Egypt. But they have so

514
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,720
many problems in Egypt in terms of money and feeding

515
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,519
their population and their government remaining stable that that they're

516
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:05,319
not as much of a power anymore, that they're not

517
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:13,559
entirely insignificant. So Turkey, coming back to Erdwan, he's very

518
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,480
difficult to read. The first thing everybody needs to understand

519
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,079
is that Turkey has been an ally of Israel's in

520
00:34:19,119 --> 00:34:23,079
one form or another, explicitly or implicitly since the days

521
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:29,320
of Ataturk. So Turkey, you know, they do things like

522
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:33,400
the what was that business with the Mavi Marmara, right,

523
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:39,800
the Blue Marmara. The business of Turkish uh civilian flotilla's

524
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:46,079
going south in order to break the siege, so to speak,

525
00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:51,159
by Sea of Gaza. You know, he's done all sorts

526
00:34:51,159 --> 00:34:53,920
of things that create a lot of buzz and that

527
00:34:54,039 --> 00:34:56,280
make it seem like that he's ready to wolf wolf

528
00:34:56,280 --> 00:35:01,719
wolf against Israel, but he almost never does. So However,

529
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:04,599
he's getting old and he's not going to be in

530
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,800
power forever. I don't know who's going to replace him,

531
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:10,400
and I don't know whether or not he might have

532
00:35:10,480 --> 00:35:14,280
some trick of his sleeve to restore this sort of

533
00:35:14,400 --> 00:35:19,519
Ottoman project in the region that he'll that he'll he'll

534
00:35:19,559 --> 00:35:22,480
he'll pull out of his sleeve at the last Minute's

535
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:24,599
simply because what are you going to do to him

536
00:35:24,599 --> 00:35:26,480
when he's an elder statesman who's not going to be

537
00:35:26,519 --> 00:35:30,079
around much longer. I expect he will be concerned with

538
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,800
cementing some sort of legacy as a great figure as

539
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:37,920
a Turkish leader, but for the time being, I can't

540
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,280
read it. I was very interested to see that the

541
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:47,920
Turkish back forces went after the Kurds pretty quickly, So yeah,

542
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,119
I don't know what he's going to do. He certainly

543
00:35:50,159 --> 00:35:52,360
has a population that he has to throw red meat

544
00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:56,920
to at intervals talking about this situation with the Palestinians.

545
00:35:56,960 --> 00:35:59,320
But everything that he's done so far from you know,

546
00:35:59,480 --> 00:36:03,440
ensuring that energy continues to flow to Israel, you know,

547
00:36:03,599 --> 00:36:06,519
just the simple act of having taken Syria as he

548
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:12,159
has now at this time, has taken a gaza out

549
00:36:12,199 --> 00:36:15,599
of everyone's discussion and consideration at this point. So I

550
00:36:15,599 --> 00:36:18,599
mean he's in terms of what he's done. You know,

551
00:36:18,639 --> 00:36:23,039
the purpose of a system is what it does. Applies

552
00:36:23,079 --> 00:36:28,679
here he's helped Israel. Now the Israelis have to be

553
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:31,119
concerned about this because they're going to share a border now,

554
00:36:31,159 --> 00:36:36,360
they don't have a buffer really between them and Sunni

555
00:36:37,039 --> 00:36:42,000
Jahadist forces as they once did. It's all right up

556
00:36:42,039 --> 00:36:46,559
on them, and so you know, it could be it

557
00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:50,840
could be a bad situation for them. Another concern is

558
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:56,119
with Iran. You know a number of these iranishiet Of course, Iraq,

559
00:36:56,159 --> 00:36:58,719
as you will all know, was formerly controlled by a

560
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:02,880
Sunni minority, Thests, but they have a Shiite majority and

561
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:06,639
Iraq is more or less closely allied with Iran now.

562
00:37:07,519 --> 00:37:11,280
And there are Kurdish groups who aren't YKK, excuse me,

563
00:37:11,360 --> 00:37:15,840
PKK and YPG that are more aligned with the Iranians,

564
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,679
And so there is the possibility of people being able

565
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,679
to come back in and re enter this domain from

566
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,440
the east. The largest group of Syrian soldiers that escaped

567
00:37:27,480 --> 00:37:31,280
from Syria across the border, I believe a division of them,

568
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,360
complete with equipment, into Iraq. And you know, if you

569
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,800
look back at the history of things like the Allies

570
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:42,599
fights with Ramel in North Africa, you know that in

571
00:37:42,639 --> 00:37:46,119
these vast sort of open spaces. Of course this is

572
00:37:46,159 --> 00:37:48,559
the levant, not North Africa. But if you look at

573
00:37:48,599 --> 00:37:52,679
that history, you'll see that they just thundered across the

574
00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:56,280
entire northern coast North Africa in one direction and then

575
00:37:56,320 --> 00:37:59,360
would get turned around and push back in the other direction,

576
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,400
only to come back again. So ground can be crossed

577
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,800
here fairly quickly. Though the situation has changed quite a

578
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:11,960
bit with ISR capabilities and the ability to bomb these

579
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:15,400
forces as they move. But I don't think the book

580
00:38:15,480 --> 00:38:18,840
is closed on this. I think that the Israelis, yes,

581
00:38:19,079 --> 00:38:23,039
are are going for a greater Israel. Thus far, Erdworm

582
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:29,880
has basically assisted them, explicitly or implicitly by accident or

583
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,039
by design thus far pretty consistently, but that might change.

584
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:41,679
You also have a very worked up Muslim population in Turkey.

585
00:38:41,679 --> 00:38:46,320
They're also concerned about sending Syrian refugees back into Syria,

586
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:48,840
and I don't see how they're going to be able

587
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:51,440
to do that anytime in the near future. There's also

588
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:55,559
the possibility that there could be major further destabilization inside

589
00:38:55,599 --> 00:38:58,400
Turkey depending on how aggressive they get with going after

590
00:38:58,639 --> 00:39:01,920
the Kurds, because YPG GPKK has a long history of

591
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:08,840
conducting major terrorist attacks inside Turkey. So it's a mess

592
00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:12,599
and I cannot clearly see what will happen next.

593
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,119
Speaker 2: I'm going to bring in a very strange analogy on

594
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:23,440
this one that this map has reminded me of, and

595
00:39:24,159 --> 00:39:27,280
interesting comparisons for today. If anyone went back and played

596
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:30,960
the original Rome Total War, the hardest faction to play

597
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,239
in that game was always the Seleucid Empire because in

598
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,960
the early game, the other factions around you, the Egyptians,

599
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:43,159
the Pontic States, the Armenians, Parthians, they all want to expand,

600
00:39:43,559 --> 00:39:45,760
and it's way too costly for you to start buying

601
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:49,000
a ship's early game to expand overseas. So if you're

602
00:39:49,000 --> 00:39:51,559
going to expand. You're going to expand into Syria, into

603
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,960
the Seleucid Empire because everyone wants a piece of it.

604
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,400
It's surrounded by all sides. It seems like we have

605
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,880
another repeat of that today where everyone wants a piece

606
00:39:58,880 --> 00:40:02,119
of Syria. Well, that's interesting for me in this case

607
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:06,920
is the time frame of this December in twenty twenty four,

608
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:11,559
shortly before the Trump administration is coming into office. And

609
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:14,679
no doubt this is another fire for the Trump administration

610
00:40:14,760 --> 00:40:17,519
to put out when it comes in pretty soon, and

611
00:40:17,559 --> 00:40:19,880
obviously they've wanted to take care of Asad for quite

612
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:25,320
some time. My question here is, gentlemen, is it seems

613
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:28,079
like if they could have just done this whenever they

614
00:40:28,119 --> 00:40:30,039
wanted to, which is what it kind of seems like

615
00:40:30,079 --> 00:40:34,320
to me. I mean, the time frame has to be questioned,

616
00:40:34,519 --> 00:40:36,320
you know, because I mean, this took like a week

617
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:39,239
for Assad to fall, and they've been trying to get

618
00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:40,800
rid of him for a decade at this point, since

619
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,719
Obama's days, if not earlier. So the time frame is

620
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:45,559
what's interesting to me.

621
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:48,320
Speaker 3: Well, it's obvious that it was a grand conspiracy and

622
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:53,320
that the SAA stood down very had very little Uh,

623
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:57,360
there's very little resistance. There's no way that rebel groups.

624
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,719
If rebel groups could have taken if they taken the country,

625
00:41:00,760 --> 00:41:02,800
they would have done it long ago. This was some

626
00:41:03,559 --> 00:41:07,800
behind the scenes stuff, real, you know, the dirt bag

627
00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:13,400
shit that happened where they just basically everyone decided to

628
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,079
give a sad up, you know. And now he gets

629
00:41:16,119 --> 00:41:17,920
to go to Russia and oh I can announce here

630
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:20,840
he's gonna be on my podcast promoting his new podcast

631
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:26,559
next week. I'm just kidding. Yeah, obviously he was just

632
00:41:26,559 --> 00:41:30,239
giving up. He was he was a chess piece that

633
00:41:30,639 --> 00:41:33,639
they could take off the board whenever they wanted, and

634
00:41:33,679 --> 00:41:36,360
it was his time to go off the board. And

635
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:42,280
that's it. So but I did want to a lot

636
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,840
of people have been asking about, you know, the Christian

637
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:49,400
communities in Syria and our our buddy Hunger, the die

638
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:54,079
Merchant has you know, he has people all over the

639
00:41:54,119 --> 00:41:56,800
place over there. So I just wanted to read a

640
00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,159
very quick thread that he had, if that's okay, about

641
00:42:00,159 --> 00:42:02,519
what's going on in Syria with the Christians. He said,

642
00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:05,679
just a quick update some of the Christians in Syria,

643
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:09,000
of some of the Christians Asyria from my personal sources,

644
00:42:09,079 --> 00:42:11,760
one things are for the most part. It's hence calm.

645
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:13,880
There's plenty of fear going around, but the worst has

646
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,280
not come to pass, and possibly the situation will improve.

647
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:20,760
He said. In almost every Christian village, particularly in the Wadi,

648
00:42:20,920 --> 00:42:23,559
which is the value of the Christians, there's a Muslim

649
00:42:23,599 --> 00:42:27,079
government supervisor to keep tabs on people and resolve any

650
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,480
disputes to Village priests are cooperating with the authorities. The

651
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,280
towns are under strict curfew. Freedom of movement is limited,

652
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,320
but this may be temporary given the current security situation.

653
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:40,800
New government is aggressively going after collaborators of the Asad

654
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:43,280
regime and these Christian areas, and many are either in

655
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,320
hiding or have fled to Lebanon. There is currently a

656
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:51,840
debate happening whether Christmas and the new government on whether

657
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,239
Syrian Christians will be allowed to publicly celebrate Christmas. Initially

658
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,719
the answer was yes, but that same day churches outside

659
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:03,119
of Hamah were into ransacked by Muslim gangs. He says,

660
00:43:03,119 --> 00:43:06,159
the situation is still fluid. Many people are rightly fearful

661
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,400
for the future. The information only applies to my sources

662
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:12,480
in the Waybi and Hamah region. I don't know how

663
00:43:12,519 --> 00:43:15,920
bad the situation is for Christians in Damascus or Aleppo,

664
00:43:16,079 --> 00:43:18,159
but I ask you to continue to pray for them.

665
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:21,639
So that's a for people who are wondering about the

666
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:25,639
Christian population that comes from our buddy Hunger.

667
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 6: Yeah, and there is a stream he did with a

668
00:43:28,559 --> 00:43:31,320
hit Man covering some of the historical background for this.

669
00:43:31,480 --> 00:43:33,280
I watched it the other day. It's quite good. You

670
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:36,280
should have a look. There's also a stream on the

671
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:39,000
historical situation of the Christians in the Middle East that

672
00:43:39,039 --> 00:43:41,960
I did with Apostolic Majesty, and then he and I

673
00:43:42,079 --> 00:43:44,639
just did a follow up on that in the last

674
00:43:44,639 --> 00:43:50,199
couple of days, discussing background on this and the likely

675
00:43:50,519 --> 00:43:53,519
situation for them. I drone on about the geopolitics a

676
00:43:53,519 --> 00:43:59,320
bit as well, but am very capably covers the historical aspects.

677
00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:01,960
You can see that on Apostolic Majesty's channel. The one

678
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,119
thing I'd point out is that we should all be

679
00:44:05,159 --> 00:44:11,159
looking at Lebanon, because if I were among the Israeli

680
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:15,000
strategic planners, I would immediately be looking to carry my

681
00:44:15,079 --> 00:44:21,480
momentum forward to resolve the situation in Lebanon, not least

682
00:44:21,519 --> 00:44:26,679
because there are disputed areas of offshore energy resources between

683
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:32,480
Israel and Lebanon. Also to Pete's point about it very

684
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:35,679
likely having been something behind the scenes, I tend to

685
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:38,440
agree with Pete on this completely, Like, if they were

686
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:40,440
able to take it, why didn't they do it? Why

687
00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:43,079
did they wait till now? And so the question is

688
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:48,639
what sort of deal was cut behind the scenes. One possibility,

689
00:44:49,119 --> 00:44:53,559
and these are not necessarily mutually exclusive, or these possibilities

690
00:44:53,599 --> 00:44:59,440
don't necessarily exclude each other, one is that Russia and

691
00:44:59,480 --> 00:45:02,880
Iran said, screw this, it's gonna distract us at a

692
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:07,039
time when we don't need to be distracted. So let's

693
00:45:07,119 --> 00:45:09,960
just back out and let Israel and Turkey and the

694
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:15,079
West own this horrible mess. Because it's not like it

695
00:45:15,199 --> 00:45:17,440
just became this horrible mess, as I said, It's been

696
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,400
frozen in this fashion as a horrible mess for more

697
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:24,840
than a decade, or for at least a decade. Another

698
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:29,719
possibility is that, you know, there's the plans that have

699
00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:34,320
been discussed quite for quite some time now of Iran

700
00:45:34,639 --> 00:45:40,079
and Russia signing mutual defense treaties formally rather than just

701
00:45:40,079 --> 00:45:43,679
sort of helping out Subrosa similar to what was just

702
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,599
signed between North Korea and Russia. And it may well be.

703
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:53,320
I've speculated anyway that for Russia to sign that kind

704
00:45:53,360 --> 00:45:57,159
of a treaty with Iran publicly while Iran is still

705
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:02,440
able to supply of forces in Lebanon against Israel is

706
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:06,360
just a recipe for disaster. You know, the international Zionist

707
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,679
supporters in the United States could create all sorts of

708
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,760
problems and Russia could see itself drawn into a mess

709
00:46:13,320 --> 00:46:18,000
that it couldn't get out of. Whereas if Iran has

710
00:46:18,039 --> 00:46:23,920
effectively been cut off physically from supplying Hezbollah, then it

711
00:46:24,159 --> 00:46:26,719
might be a situation where they could then turn around

712
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,840
and bring Iran in under their nuclear umbrella with a

713
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:34,280
defense treaty, and that would remove any need for Iran

714
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,920
to develop its own nuclear weapons. That's just speculation. I'm

715
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:40,039
not saying it's going to happen, but those sort of

716
00:46:40,079 --> 00:46:43,159
two possibilities are ones that could overlap.

717
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:43,840
Speaker 3: They're not.

718
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 6: Mutually exclusive, and it could explain what we're seeing happen here.

719
00:46:50,599 --> 00:46:52,800
I've often wondered, you know, there was a call that

720
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:57,480
many people have discussed between Erdowan and Putin that happened

721
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:02,119
just prior to this whole movement of the quote unquote

722
00:47:02,119 --> 00:47:05,519
rebel forces out of Idlib, And I've thought to myself,

723
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:13,159
was that necessarily something like Erdwan calling up Putin and saying, hey,

724
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:14,960
I'm sorry, man, but I have to do this. I've

725
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,559
got Kurdish problems. I'm going in. It could have just

726
00:47:17,639 --> 00:47:20,760
as easily. It's just speculation. I'm not saying it's the case,

727
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:25,400
but I've seen nothing to rule out the possibility that

728
00:47:25,440 --> 00:47:28,679
Putin said, hey, Erdwan, if you want to do it,

729
00:47:28,719 --> 00:47:32,079
this is your chance, because we've decided to back out.

730
00:47:32,519 --> 00:47:38,960
And that fits the model here as effectively as any

731
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,119
of the others, given the information that I'm aware of.

732
00:47:43,599 --> 00:47:46,440
So yes, I do think something was being planned behind

733
00:47:46,440 --> 00:47:49,280
the scenes, and it may be well. As I put

734
00:47:49,320 --> 00:47:50,719
it in one of my tweets, you know, if you

735
00:47:50,760 --> 00:47:55,320
create a vacuum, well, it will suck in both respects.

736
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:57,440
It will both pull you in and it will suck

737
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,480
for you if you're the ones now who have to

738
00:47:59,480 --> 00:48:03,400
police and maintain this and deal with the problems that

739
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:08,480
could eventuate. But we just have to see what comes next.

740
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:15,079
Speaker 4: We may literally never know what backroom deals.

741
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 2: Right many such cases. Right Well, this is a very

742
00:48:21,079 --> 00:48:24,599
very expansive discussion on this topic. As we move on

743
00:48:25,199 --> 00:48:29,079
to our next topic discussing Tucker Carlson's recent discussion with

744
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:33,360
Sergey Laborov. The final thing I'll say about this one

745
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:37,119
is old AA needs to update his Dictator top Trump's

746
00:48:37,119 --> 00:48:42,400
card for Bashar al Assad. His longevity card has officially

747
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,199
come home to roost now, so he needs to do

748
00:48:45,199 --> 00:48:48,760
a little update on that. But yeah, So this actually

749
00:48:48,760 --> 00:48:51,199
came out just before our stream last week, so we

750
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,239
didn't have chance to talk about it. We made a

751
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:56,360
brief allusions to it, but I figured we'd actually have

752
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,599
a dedicated segment to talking about Tucker Carlson's interview with

753
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:04,719
Sergei Lavarov. Now I sat down and watched this whole thing.

754
00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:10,639
I know Oliver did too, Pete, I think he did, maybe, Yeah, yeah,

755
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:12,800
So I suppose we could just go through and pick

756
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,239
out some of the important parts. I think right at

757
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,519
the start, the thing that stuck out to me the

758
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:21,519
most right away was this is something I've been bringing

759
00:49:21,559 --> 00:49:25,000
up a couple of times on previous streams, the complete

760
00:49:25,039 --> 00:49:31,360
irresponsibility of American politicians, most notably Lindsey Graham, who Lavrov

761
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:36,360
actually mentions by name during this interview with Carlson about

762
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:39,360
how Lindsey Graham just goes on unhinged rants about like

763
00:49:39,599 --> 00:49:43,159
completely ethnically cleansing Russians out of certain sections of Ukraine

764
00:49:44,360 --> 00:49:47,519
on Fox News, and of course like the Russians are

765
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:50,360
reacting to that as a direct threat, which it is.

766
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:53,920
You know, like Americans politicians can't just go on TV

767
00:49:54,639 --> 00:49:58,599
and say outlandish things about foreign powers and foreign wars

768
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:01,559
and not expect, you know, other countries to be like, oh,

769
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:03,880
he was just kidding, bro. You know, it's just so

770
00:50:04,000 --> 00:50:06,519
unbelievably irresponsible. So that was one of the major things

771
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:09,199
that stuck out to me. I don't know, let's go

772
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:11,039
around the horn here. What else really stuck out to

773
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:12,480
you guys? I got a couple of other points, but

774
00:50:13,079 --> 00:50:15,280
I don't know, Oliver, you guys want to throw out

775
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:16,519
some of your takes on this one.

776
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:19,840
Speaker 3: Bad aller?

777
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 6: Well, I mean, it's just it's a diplomatic mess. Lavrov,

778
00:50:29,639 --> 00:50:32,400
as we all know, is very much an elder statesman

779
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:38,119
in Russia, and you can expect that he's going to

780
00:50:38,159 --> 00:50:44,760
come in and lay down the Russian positions as he did.

781
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:46,800
One of the things that was very notable about this

782
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,960
discussion that he had to turn this heater off. It's

783
00:50:50,039 --> 00:50:53,719
blowing in the background. Sorry. One of the very notable

784
00:50:53,760 --> 00:50:56,639
things about how he approached things was he never gave

785
00:50:56,920 --> 00:51:00,239
what was his opinion. Whenever a question was asked about

786
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:06,119
what the Russian position was, he very circumspectully and consistently

787
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:10,440
would answer by saying, Putin has already addressed this in

788
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:13,199
his discussion at Blah blah blah. During such and such

789
00:51:13,280 --> 00:51:19,760
he said, X, Y and Z so, Lavrov is basically

790
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:24,400
coming in with the standard points that have already been

791
00:51:24,440 --> 00:51:33,559
made by the Russian establishment via Putin himself. There's another

792
00:51:33,679 --> 00:51:37,920
aspect of this, which is that we've seen in the

793
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:41,320
past when Carlson, for example, went and spoke to Putin,

794
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:46,119
he seemed to be trying to get this guy publicly

795
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:49,800
to lock himself into some kind of position based on

796
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:53,480
answers to questions that he gave. With the last interview

797
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:56,840
with Putin. When Tucker did it, he seemed to be

798
00:51:56,920 --> 00:51:59,519
very much focused on whether or not Putin would be

799
00:51:59,559 --> 00:52:09,760
willing to agree for the exchange of certain prisoners, intelligence prisoners,

800
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:13,920
possible spies, and the rest, and Putin wouldn't be drawn

801
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:16,800
into that. He would not allow himself to have any

802
00:52:16,960 --> 00:52:21,039
sort of public position established for himself that would lock

803
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,679
him into doing things in a particular way in the future.

804
00:52:24,679 --> 00:52:29,920
And I think that there's something to Tucker going and

805
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:35,960
doing these interviews that is beyond that is beyond the

806
00:52:36,039 --> 00:52:39,400
simple need for the alternative points of view to be shown.

807
00:52:39,519 --> 00:52:44,480
I think Tucker Carlson is someone who has developed for himself,

808
00:52:44,880 --> 00:52:48,760
or had developed for him, this position as someone who's

809
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:50,840
able to go and talk to these people directly. And

810
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:55,199
so you would expect intelligence services to task him to

811
00:52:55,320 --> 00:52:59,039
ask or to push on certain questions in order to

812
00:52:59,119 --> 00:53:04,000
see if anything could be drawn forth in terms of

813
00:53:04,400 --> 00:53:06,119
you know, what do the Russians really want? What are

814
00:53:06,119 --> 00:53:09,320
you willing to accept? How can we resolve this? And

815
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:13,920
to get public positions about that on record? We you know,

816
00:53:14,159 --> 00:53:17,599
I believe it. Carlson was saying back in the day

817
00:53:17,639 --> 00:53:19,880
he had wanted to work for the CIA, and his

818
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:25,159
parents had some played I think his father played some

819
00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:28,679
kind of role working and was working in journalism but

820
00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:30,639
also being tied to the government.

821
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 3: So I don't think for Europe here was what say

822
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:36,360
again ahead of Radio Free Europe.

823
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:41,679
Speaker 6: Well yeah, well there you go. So I don't think

824
00:53:41,679 --> 00:53:45,239
that we should think of the Tucker Carlson just as

825
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,079
being a journalistic figure trying to figure out what's going on.

826
00:53:48,199 --> 00:53:50,880
I think he has a mandate to go and do

827
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:53,880
some things and figure out what he can in certain respects.

828
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:59,159
I'm not sure I actually followed the question. You would

829
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:03,599
originally asked red Hawk there, so if I miss something,

830
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:06,360
please direct me back to it. I tend to wander

831
00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:07,199
all over the place.

832
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:09,559
Speaker 2: No, you're just talking about things that stuck out to

833
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:11,079
us during this interview.

834
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:15,360
Speaker 6: Yeah, there's the Iraushnik stuff, which is interesting too. Sorry, Pete,

835
00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:15,800
go ahead.

836
00:54:17,119 --> 00:54:20,840
Speaker 3: Well there's two things. One from the interview right off

837
00:54:20,880 --> 00:54:24,840
the right off the jump, Tucker asked him if he

838
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,880
considered the United States to be an enemy, and he

839
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:30,880
wouldn't answer the question. He basically said no, and then

840
00:54:30,920 --> 00:54:34,079
they ran. They came back to that, They circled back

841
00:54:34,119 --> 00:54:37,480
to that at the end, and he seemed to be more, well,

842
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:41,119
you know this, this, you know, qualifying and everything. Here's

843
00:54:41,119 --> 00:54:46,000
something I haven't heard anyone say. This interview dropped right

844
00:54:46,039 --> 00:54:52,039
as Russia's basically hanging Syria out to dry. Was this

845
00:54:52,199 --> 00:54:57,239
some kind of you know, distraction to try to get

846
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,639
Lavrov to come on here and talk about what is

847
00:54:59,679 --> 00:55:03,239
going on with Russia? And you know, he talks about

848
00:55:03,320 --> 00:55:07,000
everything that they're dealing with in Ukraine, got all this, Oliver,

849
00:55:07,119 --> 00:55:11,440
and then yep, there was really nothing about what's happening

850
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,880
in Syria. Nothing in Syria. It almost seems like it

851
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:16,280
could have been a distraction in that way as well.

852
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,800
Speaker 6: Well, there definitely was. There was one little interesting bit

853
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:23,119
that I noted at the time, which was Tucker trying

854
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:30,159
to ask Lavrov about what parties he thought were behind

855
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,440
what was going what was beginning to unfold in Syria

856
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,880
at that moment, and you know, all of us watching,

857
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,480
the obvious answer would have been, you know that Turkey

858
00:55:39,639 --> 00:55:44,840
was among them, and Lavrov very circumspectfully refused to mention

859
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,760
Turkey at all, And when Tucker pressed him on it,

860
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:51,039
he said, well, you know, people are saying I can't

861
00:55:51,039 --> 00:55:54,119
be sure, but people are saying that Israel's involved and

862
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:57,639
the United States and there are just many players involved

863
00:55:57,639 --> 00:56:01,920
here and we can't be sure. And so it was

864
00:56:01,960 --> 00:56:06,039
easy at the time to set that aside and say, well,

865
00:56:06,599 --> 00:56:09,400
because of the Astana process, you know, he was I

866
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,559
think the very following day or in the next couple

867
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:13,480
of days, he was going to be going to Doha

868
00:56:14,039 --> 00:56:17,480
and to meet with Iranian Turkish leaders under the Astana

869
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,480
Process as established, the idea was that Iran and Turkey

870
00:56:21,519 --> 00:56:25,880
and Russia would meet with each other at intervals to

871
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:31,639
stabilize the situation there and ensure the survival of Syria

872
00:56:31,719 --> 00:56:33,840
with its existing borders and all the rest. So you

873
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:35,920
could say, well, he's a diplomat, he's about to go

874
00:56:35,920 --> 00:56:38,639
and negotiate with the Turks. Why would he try to

875
00:56:38,639 --> 00:56:41,360
stick a finger in the eye of the Turks prior

876
00:56:41,440 --> 00:56:43,840
to going to do that. It doesn't serve his interests.

877
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:52,920
But if Turkey was in some sense cooperating with Iran

878
00:56:53,559 --> 00:56:58,599
and Russia, it would make sense for Lavrov not to

879
00:56:58,599 --> 00:57:01,079
have named them explicitly. Don't think we're going to know

880
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:06,119
what's going on there with that in that respect until

881
00:57:06,239 --> 00:57:12,079
we see whether or not Turkey has any success with

882
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,360
the sort of roadmap it's laid out for itself to

883
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:18,599
become a sort of associate of the Bricks Nations. If

884
00:57:18,599 --> 00:57:21,400
they get snubbed badly, since Iran is already a member,

885
00:57:21,920 --> 00:57:25,760
then you know Russia and Iran are not interested in it.

886
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Then you could you could say to yourself, well, it's

887
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,880
at least possible that they're pissed off about what Turkey did,

888
00:57:31,920 --> 00:57:34,960
But if Turkey continues to move forward with that process,

889
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:41,800
it would seem that maybe Iran and Russia aren't all

890
00:57:41,840 --> 00:57:44,000
that pissed off about it. You could also just say

891
00:57:44,039 --> 00:57:47,880
it makes its stupid economically to lead money on the table,

892
00:57:48,440 --> 00:57:51,000
regardless of whether you're pissed off with this other country.

893
00:57:51,039 --> 00:57:55,599
But I suspect that if they do go forward with

894
00:57:55,639 --> 00:57:58,960
it and Turkey continues to get closer to the bricks,

895
00:57:59,039 --> 00:58:02,840
that leads the possible signal that they've worked some things

896
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:06,000
out beforehand. And I just did see something on the

897
00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:10,480
Twitter timeline about how Iran and Turkey have just signed

898
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:14,079
some sort of major economic deal, which you know would

899
00:58:14,079 --> 00:58:18,039
be a bit strange if Iran was really pissed off

900
00:58:18,079 --> 00:58:20,239
about all that stuff. And then again, on the other hand,

901
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:22,440
you could come and say, well, Iran has been suffering

902
00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:24,760
from sanctions for so long, it needs to get its

903
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,320
economy on a more solid footing, so they really don't

904
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:30,519
have a choice. I don't know, but those are That's

905
00:58:30,559 --> 00:58:32,840
a little bit that I think is worth pointing out.

906
00:58:36,400 --> 00:58:38,440
Speaker 2: I suppose the other huge thing that we should talk

907
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,719
about that came out of this interview is the discussion

908
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:45,320
of back channels between the United States and Russia. Of course,

909
00:58:46,119 --> 00:58:50,280
in any diplomatic relationship, you're not going to discuss everything

910
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:54,000
between nations and public at these big gatherings at the

911
00:58:54,119 --> 00:58:57,599
UN or any other conventions. I mean, one of the

912
00:58:57,639 --> 00:59:00,559
other things that Lavrov mentioned is that basically all the

913
00:59:00,599 --> 00:59:03,000
Westerners just snob him right to his face when they're

914
00:59:03,039 --> 00:59:06,440
at all these uh, you know gatherings. I mean, really

915
00:59:06,480 --> 00:59:09,239
just is the theater kid occupied government we talked about

916
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,519
all the time. It's just like, you know, backstabby, bitching politics, like, oh,

917
00:59:12,559 --> 00:59:14,360
we can't be seen in the same room with this guy,

918
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:17,599
you know, because you know, a big bad Russia, evilman

919
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:22,679
or what have you. But the back channel communications, they're

920
00:59:22,719 --> 00:59:25,280
either they're not discussing with each other or it's the

921
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:27,920
exact same thing that the Americans are saying in public

922
00:59:28,599 --> 00:59:31,199
as that they are saying in the back channels. It's like,

923
00:59:31,239 --> 00:59:34,800
why you even have these which is just unbelievably irresponsible. Again,

924
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:36,679
I remember Charlie mentioned this last week and I was

925
00:59:36,719 --> 00:59:39,400
just gobsmacked by it. It's like, holy shit, like that,

926
00:59:39,519 --> 00:59:41,239
how do you how do you do something like that?

927
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,800
Speaker 3: It's it's wild, It's hilarious. It's hilarious since historically the

928
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:51,440
Internet exists because of back channels between the two countries. Really,

929
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,280
that's why I was created. But you know, we we

930
00:59:54,440 --> 00:59:58,360
were saying before we went live with these people walking

931
00:59:58,360 --> 01:00:02,239
away from Lavrov, we don't have ambassadors. You know, there's

932
01:00:02,639 --> 01:00:05,039
we don't have Charles Freeman's anymore. You know, we don't

933
01:00:05,079 --> 01:00:09,559
have these guys who can actually carry on a conversation.

934
01:00:10,159 --> 01:00:14,079
Most of these ambassadors or ships are sinecures given to

935
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:17,119
people who I mean, Kimberly Guilfoyle is going to be

936
01:00:17,159 --> 01:00:23,960
the ambassador to Greece. I mean, what are ambassadors anymore?

937
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,599
Speaker 2: Don Junior needs a new girlfriend, you know, that's why

938
01:00:26,719 --> 01:00:28,280
I got rid of him.

939
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:34,440
Speaker 3: I already broke up, actually, But I mean it's who

940
01:00:34,480 --> 01:00:36,920
would want to talk to him? He's going to make

941
01:00:37,119 --> 01:00:40,719
He's going to make you. Thomas seven seven seven could

942
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,039
have a much more interesting conversation with Sergei Lavrov than

943
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:47,679
the US ambassador to Russia, whoever the hell that is.

944
01:00:47,920 --> 01:00:49,800
I don't know who is that. Somebody who worked.

945
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:55,679
Speaker 4: Or something evidently being the the dominant empire in the

946
01:00:55,679 --> 01:00:57,639
world and having all this money and all the all

947
01:00:57,679 --> 01:00:59,840
the things that they tell us how great, how great?

948
01:00:59,840 --> 01:01:01,119
Speaker 5: The you some Paris.

949
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 4: Doesn't result in us being able to like have knowledgeable

950
01:01:05,280 --> 01:01:09,519
statesmen that have a good background and understand things in

951
01:01:09,519 --> 01:01:12,320
the world, Like I don't know, Wing, that's too expensive

952
01:01:12,320 --> 01:01:13,239
for us to afford.

953
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:20,800
Speaker 2: Just that your standards way too high, Stephen, Come on, now,

954
01:01:20,880 --> 01:01:22,440
that's the we can't expect that.

955
01:01:22,920 --> 01:01:23,280
Speaker 3: Come on.

956
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:30,239
Speaker 2: Anything else we want to say. Concluding this interview between

957
01:01:30,239 --> 01:01:32,159
the two of them.

958
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,519
Speaker 3: No, you know, when you think, yeah, when you really

959
01:01:34,559 --> 01:01:36,800
go back over it, there was it was a lot

960
01:01:36,800 --> 01:01:40,039
of nothing. There was maybe a good fifteen minutes out

961
01:01:40,039 --> 01:01:42,039
of the whole thing that you know, you can pick

962
01:01:42,039 --> 01:01:45,679
at and be like, oh, that's interesting, But I'm going

963
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:47,840
to stand by it was a distraction of some sort.

964
01:01:48,079 --> 01:01:49,920
And that doesn't mean Tucker even had to be in

965
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,199
on it. You know, Lavrov could have been like, oh, okay,

966
01:01:52,599 --> 01:01:55,800
you have the interview now, and it's just basically distracts

967
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:59,400
people from you know, what they're about to do in

968
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,239
the Middle East.

969
01:02:02,440 --> 01:02:05,519
Speaker 6: No, yeah, nothing really to add myself. I think I

970
01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:08,559
think Pete's right, it's very likely that you had a distraction,

971
01:02:08,679 --> 01:02:12,920
or it's not. Yeah, it's it's not exactly a distraction.

972
01:02:13,039 --> 01:02:15,360
It's I mean, it is, but it's more like, here's

973
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:19,719
something to look at, and and it does carry a

974
01:02:19,840 --> 01:02:22,920
sort of narrative or charge that it's like, well, at

975
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,440
least we're having this diplomatic discussion, right, at least with

976
01:02:27,559 --> 01:02:30,800
communication has been opened up, you know, especially when you

977
01:02:30,840 --> 01:02:34,199
contrast the discussion that they had that the public is

978
01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:40,119
privy to with the idea that the actual people charged

979
01:02:40,159 --> 01:02:43,599
with engaging in diplomacy are not doing their job, and

980
01:02:43,639 --> 01:02:45,880
that as bad as it looks to us on the

981
01:02:45,880 --> 01:02:48,000
front end, it's just as bad on the back end.

982
01:02:48,519 --> 01:02:50,400
So part of it may just be that this is

983
01:02:50,480 --> 01:02:53,880
a this is an opening. Let's let's talk to Russia

984
01:02:53,920 --> 01:02:57,679
and see if Lavrov says anything interesting. But Lavrov is

985
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:02,320
just so I mean, he's he's been doing it for

986
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,880
so long and is obviously so skillful and experienced with

987
01:03:05,920 --> 01:03:08,719
it that you would you would expect only to get

988
01:03:08,719 --> 01:03:13,159
diplomatic answers. I mean literally, these are diplomatic answers, and

989
01:03:13,519 --> 01:03:18,320
so you know, I wouldn't expect any sort of massive

990
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:20,239
revelation in the course of them.

991
01:03:21,760 --> 01:03:26,880
Speaker 2: No, like we were saying, just the main takeaway is

992
01:03:26,960 --> 01:03:29,920
just a comparison between this guy and anyone working in

993
01:03:29,960 --> 01:03:32,599
the State Department in the United States. Well, it's just

994
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,280
night and day comparison, and you can just tell immediately

995
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:39,280
just by the way the guy talks. So why don't

996
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,239
we move on, We'll tackle another topic and then we'll

997
01:03:41,400 --> 01:03:44,239
catch up on some super chats. So, as the title

998
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:47,960
of the stream suggests, today the White Man is back.

999
01:03:48,880 --> 01:03:52,840
Daniel Penny has been acquitted of his manslaughter charge and

1000
01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:55,440
all his other charges. So the man is walking free,

1001
01:03:55,920 --> 01:03:59,599
which is, uh, you gotta say, good for this guy.

1002
01:03:59,679 --> 01:04:02,599
He's the first ever Alpha Chad to rock the broccoli

1003
01:04:02,679 --> 01:04:05,960
hair pretty well, so good for him. He went to

1004
01:04:06,000 --> 01:04:09,360
a bar afterwards and was celebrating, you know, drinking the

1005
01:04:09,440 --> 01:04:12,599
day away, which I certainly would have in his situation.

1006
01:04:13,159 --> 01:04:14,800
But it was a bit of a nail bier. I

1007
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:17,159
know a lot of people had mixed feelings on this one.

1008
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,159
If he was going to get charged, if we were

1009
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:24,320
going to have you know, the like the Ferguson effect

1010
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,920
and the Floyd effect coming in full swing once again

1011
01:04:27,000 --> 01:04:30,280
on this one. But no justice was served in this case.

1012
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,119
And now there are rumors going around that his lawyers

1013
01:04:33,159 --> 01:04:35,960
are going to return fire as it were at the

1014
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,519
corrupt prosecutors that brought this case for it in the

1015
01:04:38,559 --> 01:04:39,119
first place.

1016
01:04:44,000 --> 01:04:48,000
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, yeah, there's something that we were I

1017
01:04:48,039 --> 01:04:51,639
was talking with Stormy about in an episode we just recorded,

1018
01:04:51,920 --> 01:04:57,400
was everybody because they have to make this a black

1019
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:00,719
and white thing. Did you ever watch the video? I

1020
01:05:00,719 --> 01:05:03,599
mean when he takes the guy to the ground, who

1021
01:05:03,639 --> 01:05:07,480
helps him, three black guys jump up and start holding

1022
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:10,159
the arms and the legs holding this guy down.

1023
01:05:10,760 --> 01:05:11,559
Speaker 5: I know, did they did?

1024
01:05:11,559 --> 01:05:14,360
Speaker 4: They literally like crop the photos that most people saw

1025
01:05:14,519 --> 01:05:17,400
so you couldn't tell that those black guys were right

1026
01:05:17,440 --> 01:05:18,559
there with him.

1027
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:20,400
Speaker 3: I don't know about the photos, but I mean I've

1028
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:24,519
seen the video and they yeah, yeah, it's so easy

1029
01:05:24,599 --> 01:05:27,559
to see that. But it's just so easy to overlook.

1030
01:05:27,559 --> 01:05:29,480
I mean, when you when you have the reins of

1031
01:05:30,199 --> 01:05:32,679
the narrative, when you can control the narrative, you can

1032
01:05:33,000 --> 01:05:39,320
make it, make it into anything you want. You really

1033
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:48,159
have to wonder in in an environment where it seems

1034
01:05:48,199 --> 01:05:52,800
like people are realizing that justice they're not going to

1035
01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:57,079
get justice, and some people are taking justice into their

1036
01:05:57,079 --> 01:06:03,760
own hands, whether you know this week, this district attorney

1037
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:07,639
who I'll I'll save my uh my normal rant and

1038
01:06:07,960 --> 01:06:11,519
and not say anything and this you know this horrible judge.

1039
01:06:11,599 --> 01:06:15,039
I mean you have to wonder whether they're like, okay,

1040
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:20,679
what what could happen to us? Are we in danger

1041
01:06:20,800 --> 01:06:23,880
if if this, if this goes through, you know, dropping

1042
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,480
the first charge, dropping the uh what was that a

1043
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:27,519
manslaughter charge?

1044
01:06:28,039 --> 01:06:30,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, they dropped it because the jury was so hung

1045
01:06:30,760 --> 01:06:33,000
they weren't going to get a conviction, and so in

1046
01:06:33,000 --> 01:06:35,280
an attempt to at least get him on something that

1047
01:06:35,360 --> 01:06:37,679
just shows how evil these people were in this case,

1048
01:06:38,440 --> 01:06:40,119
they dropped that charge. Try and get him on the

1049
01:06:40,159 --> 01:06:42,079
lesser ones. Oh well, maybe the jury will all agree

1050
01:06:42,119 --> 01:06:44,360
on maybe some lesser ones if we dropped the big ones.

1051
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 3: But they didn't.

1052
01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:46,559
Speaker 6: Uh, they quitted him on that.

1053
01:06:46,639 --> 01:06:47,239
Speaker 2: Thank god.

1054
01:06:47,559 --> 01:06:50,000
Speaker 3: Well, isn't that another white pill that there was a

1055
01:06:50,079 --> 01:06:54,079
jury in New York that was hung on this? I

1056
01:06:54,079 --> 01:06:56,119
mean you would think, you know, we think about the

1057
01:06:56,159 --> 01:07:01,039
O J jury and other juries like like that that

1058
01:07:01,320 --> 01:07:05,280
just or the Derek Chauvin jury. Well that didn't happen

1059
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:09,760
in this case. So I mean, maybe this is a

1060
01:07:09,800 --> 01:07:14,039
sign that things are you know, things are making a

1061
01:07:14,079 --> 01:07:17,639
turn back in the right direction at least, you know,

1062
01:07:18,639 --> 01:07:23,960
I guess you know it's these days, hope is a

1063
01:07:24,199 --> 01:07:27,360
thing that is you know, when you have it, a

1064
01:07:27,360 --> 01:07:29,880
lot of times you're disappointed. When you have it. A

1065
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,440
lot of people accuse you of, you know, just coping,

1066
01:07:33,119 --> 01:07:35,639
you know, because especially if it doesn't go your way.

1067
01:07:35,679 --> 01:07:37,719
But you know, I just tell those people to fuck themselves.

1068
01:07:38,760 --> 01:07:42,760
But yeah, maybe maybe things are Maybe things are turning.

1069
01:07:43,599 --> 01:07:45,440
I mean, if if this can happen in New York,

1070
01:07:45,800 --> 01:07:49,119
it can happen anywhere. Dury nullification can happen in New

1071
01:07:49,199 --> 01:07:50,920
York City, it can happen. Yeah.

1072
01:07:51,559 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's one of the Derek Chauvin versus Daniel Penny cases.

1073
01:07:55,199 --> 01:07:58,000
Like in a way, it sounds like they're kind of

1074
01:07:58,400 --> 01:08:03,920
parallel in this sense that the black guy who died

1075
01:08:04,000 --> 01:08:04,760
in both cases.

1076
01:08:04,800 --> 01:08:06,400
Speaker 5: I think there were a lot of drugs involved.

1077
01:08:06,840 --> 01:08:12,199
Speaker 4: Yeah right, Yeah, toxology was off the charts in both cases,

1078
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:15,960
and in both cases I don't think they well, actually

1079
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:18,520
I don't remember on the Derek Schouvin case, but he

1080
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:22,199
didn't actually die while being held down with Daniel Penny, right,

1081
01:08:22,279 --> 01:08:28,039
he died a bit later. So it seems like really parallel,

1082
01:08:28,039 --> 01:08:30,720
which makes me wonder why did we get one result

1083
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:32,760
in one case and a different result than the other.

1084
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:36,439
I mean, is it literally because Trump got elected. You

1085
01:08:36,479 --> 01:08:38,640
know what I mean, that seems a little I.

1086
01:08:38,600 --> 01:08:41,319
Speaker 2: Think a lot of people are obviously really fed up.

1087
01:08:41,359 --> 01:08:44,239
I mean, if we are to bring up comparisons between

1088
01:08:44,640 --> 01:08:49,000
you know, Pete mentioning, maybe they maybe the page is turning,

1089
01:08:49,039 --> 01:08:51,800
so to speak. I saw a lot of people who

1090
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:54,560
didn't really have their thumb on the pulse with this one,

1091
01:08:54,840 --> 01:08:57,039
claiming that oh, there's going to be major chimpouts and

1092
01:08:57,119 --> 01:08:59,279
riots all over the country over this one. And of

1093
01:08:59,319 --> 01:09:01,960
course there is nothing which was obvious to anyone who's

1094
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:04,439
really been paying attention recently, like the energy of all

1095
01:09:04,439 --> 01:09:08,800
these you know, huge riots and you know, street protests

1096
01:09:08,920 --> 01:09:12,399
is it's just gone. I don't think you can see

1097
01:09:12,399 --> 01:09:14,239
any of this stuff for quite some time.

1098
01:09:15,079 --> 01:09:18,920
Speaker 4: Did that actually change the result of the trial in

1099
01:09:18,960 --> 01:09:21,439
the two cases? Did that swing the result that That's

1100
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:23,520
sort of something I'm puzzling over. And if so, was

1101
01:09:23,560 --> 01:09:27,239
it the jury that was different? Was it the court?

1102
01:09:27,319 --> 01:09:29,760
Because like I think in the Derek Chauvin case, they

1103
01:09:30,439 --> 01:09:33,439
literally held back all the evidence that would be how

1104
01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:35,119
do you said, exculpating or whatever.

1105
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:35,760
Speaker 5: For Chauvin.

1106
01:09:37,000 --> 01:09:40,920
Speaker 4: They didn't let them see the toxicology reported, right, they

1107
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:43,399
kind of they did. He didn't really get a fair trial,

1108
01:09:43,439 --> 01:09:44,279
as my understanding.

1109
01:09:46,199 --> 01:09:49,960
Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I would also throw in another consideration, which

1110
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,920
is that what we were talking about previously was the

1111
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:57,159
Summer of Floyd, and what we're talking about here is

1112
01:09:57,199 --> 01:10:04,439
the Winter of Penny, and you can't get large even

1113
01:10:04,439 --> 01:10:06,199
when you pay them. And I am convinced that there's

1114
01:10:06,239 --> 01:10:10,640
absolutely nothing that was grassroots about the Summer of Floyd,

1115
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:14,760
nor about any of these events that we saw during

1116
01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:16,960
the period when Trump was in office and they were

1117
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,319
mobilizing vast numbers of people to get out on the

1118
01:10:19,359 --> 01:10:23,199
streets and show their asses. I don't believe that that

1119
01:10:23,359 --> 01:10:27,920
was grassroots for a moment. So the one aspect is

1120
01:10:28,000 --> 01:10:30,680
it's just really hard to get large numbers of black

1121
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,359
people out on the streets in cold weather, regardless of

1122
01:10:34,399 --> 01:10:36,880
whether you pay them. And the other thing is I

1123
01:10:36,920 --> 01:10:39,239
think it comes down to people being willing to pay

1124
01:10:39,279 --> 01:10:43,079
for it. And for whatever reason, you know, the Soros

1125
01:10:43,239 --> 01:10:47,319
types didn't seem to be willing or able in this case.

1126
01:10:47,359 --> 01:10:50,920
I don't know which it is, probably willing, though I

1127
01:10:50,960 --> 01:10:55,600
would assume they didn't seem willing or able to mobilize

1128
01:10:55,640 --> 01:10:59,920
their forces, which raises you know, questions there as well.

1129
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,560
Speaker 3: So I am. I'm a big fan of former Pony

1130
01:11:04,560 --> 01:11:08,399
Express radio guest Charles Haywood, and Charles said that he

1131
01:11:08,520 --> 01:11:12,479
believed that, you know, come December, you'd see some kind

1132
01:11:12,479 --> 01:11:15,600
of coup attempt on Trump to keep him out. And

1133
01:11:15,760 --> 01:11:21,039
December is not over. But we certainly don't even I

1134
01:11:21,079 --> 01:11:24,720
don't think anyone's feeling any kind of vibe towards that,

1135
01:11:26,000 --> 01:11:27,760
which is interesting.

1136
01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, what we see is everyone world leader's domestic folks,

1137
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:37,840
everyone's just adjusting for a world of Trump. Now, back

1138
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:40,720
to the serial thing briefly, it sure seems like they're

1139
01:11:40,760 --> 01:11:45,199
hurrying and trying to get certain things done before January twentieth, right,

1140
01:11:45,560 --> 01:11:48,239
but that's not like that that again would be a

1141
01:11:48,279 --> 01:11:50,840
sign of Yeah, Trump's coming. So if we're going to

1142
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:53,239
do this, we bet we'd better do it now.

1143
01:11:54,039 --> 01:11:56,800
Speaker 6: Yeah, I tend to think that, Well, one of my hypotheses.

1144
01:11:56,800 --> 01:11:58,960
I can't prove it. It's all my raw speculation, and

1145
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:02,159
I've been dramane wrong in the past, so your mileage

1146
01:12:02,159 --> 01:12:06,199
may vary. No reason to accept this. But one of

1147
01:12:06,239 --> 01:12:10,560
the most useful explanatory models I've tried to apply to

1148
01:12:10,600 --> 01:12:13,119
all of this is the idea that there is a

1149
01:12:13,119 --> 01:12:16,479
deep state and the deep state really doesn't want Trump

1150
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,680
at all and really does want to destroy him. But

1151
01:12:19,720 --> 01:12:23,680
there is a deeper state for whom it was perfectly

1152
01:12:23,720 --> 01:12:27,520
reasonable to have Biden come into office, even greatly desirable,

1153
01:12:28,079 --> 01:12:32,199
and for whom it was likewise greatly desirable to have

1154
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:41,279
this very plausible, very believable public spectacle witnessed by everyone

1155
01:12:41,319 --> 01:12:45,520
across the world of one administration absolutely trying to destroy

1156
01:12:45,560 --> 01:12:49,920
the incoming one because you bring in someone like Biden,

1157
01:12:50,520 --> 01:12:54,680
who appears to be mentally greatly compromised, who doesn't seem

1158
01:12:54,680 --> 01:12:59,000
to actually be running the country at all, and you

1159
01:12:59,039 --> 01:13:03,920
bring him in, and you have a whole period where

1160
01:13:03,920 --> 01:13:06,920
the United States can do things with a certain degree

1161
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:12,039
of plausible deniability. If the they can back out of it,

1162
01:13:12,119 --> 01:13:16,880
they can reach accommodations later without their reputation being destroyed forever.

1163
01:13:17,279 --> 01:13:20,479
If you have another administration come in that was seemingly

1164
01:13:20,520 --> 01:13:26,560
attacked and denigrated in every possible respect by the previous one,

1165
01:13:27,079 --> 01:13:30,239
you can say, what we didn't do that where that

1166
01:13:30,439 --> 01:13:32,720
was the previous guys And we all know how evil

1167
01:13:32,760 --> 01:13:35,439
they are. And you know, obviously I wasn't a part

1168
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:37,960
of it, not me, not Trump. I don't have anything

1169
01:13:38,000 --> 01:13:40,079
to do with this because these people were just trying

1170
01:13:40,119 --> 01:13:41,960
to destroy me. So I'm happy to come in and

1171
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:45,319
try to reach accommodations now and focus on peace and

1172
01:13:45,479 --> 01:13:49,000
none of this on first off, again, it's just a hypothesis.

1173
01:13:49,079 --> 01:13:52,159
I'm not saying it's correct, and none of it I

1174
01:13:52,199 --> 01:13:55,479
should add is it should be taken as me suggesting

1175
01:13:55,560 --> 01:14:00,520
that Trump is necessarily in on it, although I wouldn't

1176
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,600
say that he's necessarily not in on it either. It

1177
01:14:03,720 --> 01:14:06,880
just seems to me that this was too useful. You

1178
01:14:06,920 --> 01:14:11,119
get to run this crazy experiment of starting a land

1179
01:14:11,199 --> 01:14:15,239
war in Europe on its eastern borders with Russia, and

1180
01:14:15,359 --> 01:14:19,840
you get this whole thing of driving the Palestinians out,

1181
01:14:19,840 --> 01:14:22,680
attempting to ethnically cleanse them, going a long way towards

1182
01:14:22,720 --> 01:14:26,840
that seizing territory in Syria, all these sorts of things,

1183
01:14:27,279 --> 01:14:29,000
and then Trump can just come in and say that

1184
01:14:29,079 --> 01:14:34,159
wasn't on my watch. And as a consequence, the relationship

1185
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of the United States to all these countries, many of

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01:14:36,199 --> 01:14:40,840
which were directly affected by this, you get wiggle room.

1187
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You can say, well, that wasn't us.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Oliver, it always comes to mind, you know, just

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the timing of big events like this and incoming administrations.

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The I understand there's questions about how exactly the Iran

1191
01:14:57,239 --> 01:15:02,640
hostage crisis was, the timing of how that was resolved.

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01:15:03,680 --> 01:15:07,479
Speaker 6: Yeah, that installed right, Yeah, they stalled it on Carter

1193
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:09,840
and then gave it to Reagan as a win if

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01:15:09,840 --> 01:15:10,960
I remember correct.

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Speaker 4: Man inauguration day, Oh, it's literally on an Okay, I

1196
01:15:17,600 --> 01:15:18,880
thought it was like yeah.

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Speaker 3: Which is like there's an inauguration speech.

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Speaker 6: Wow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 6: It just suggests to me that there is a deep

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01:15:27,239 --> 01:15:31,960
continuity somewhere. And because I don't believe that they were

1202
01:15:32,039 --> 01:15:34,279
just pretending to go after Trump, I think they were

1203
01:15:34,319 --> 01:15:38,279
really going after Trump, which requires me to hypothesize that

1204
01:15:38,359 --> 01:15:41,680
there's a deeper, older group that's more quiet, more powerful,

1205
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:46,239
and less stupid, that it's studied to allow this group

1206
01:15:46,279 --> 01:15:48,199
to come in, which would go a long way towards

1207
01:15:48,199 --> 01:15:51,680
answering questions about why, you know, when a whole group

1208
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,520
of states affected by the election, which I personally view

1209
01:15:55,560 --> 01:15:59,960
as having been well fortified, you have a whole group

1210
01:16:00,239 --> 01:16:03,439
of attorneys general from these states coming in and going

1211
01:16:03,479 --> 01:16:06,000
to the Supreme Court and saying what the hell, and

1212
01:16:06,159 --> 01:16:08,920
the Supreme Court says you have no standing. I mean

1213
01:16:09,640 --> 01:16:13,720
the sheer number of things that people could have been

1214
01:16:14,199 --> 01:16:17,279
screwed for that were going on. In terms of all

1215
01:16:17,319 --> 01:16:19,760
the attacks on Trump that no one has ever been

1216
01:16:20,359 --> 01:16:23,079
brought to account for. I mean, you know, a few

1217
01:16:23,159 --> 01:16:28,159
people from the FBI get you know fired, you know,

1218
01:16:28,680 --> 01:16:30,640
I wonder whether or not they got their little you know,

1219
01:16:30,800 --> 01:16:33,720
severance package or whatever. I mean, nothing happened to anyone.

1220
01:16:34,199 --> 01:16:39,159
So it seemed like it seemed like a perfect interregnum

1221
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:44,159
period with associated plausible deniability. Again, don't know it, just guessing.

1222
01:16:44,399 --> 01:16:46,960
I have no idea. I'm not read in on a

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01:16:47,039 --> 01:16:47,439
damn thing.

1224
01:16:48,359 --> 01:16:51,399
Speaker 4: Well, I just want to say that, thinking about Brigan's

1225
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:54,159
inauguration nineteen eighty one, I want to know what Trump's

1226
01:16:54,199 --> 01:16:56,880
going to give us on January twentieth. Come on, I mean,

1227
01:16:56,920 --> 01:17:00,720
at least all the jit Well, I guess it's already

1228
01:17:00,720 --> 01:17:03,600
been said that the January sixth, folks, it's going to

1229
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:05,520
be like case by case they're going to take forever

1230
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:08,560
or whatever. Right, Rather than him getting up there and saying, yeah,

1231
01:17:08,640 --> 01:17:11,960
that's dumb, they're out, we ought to at least get that,

1232
01:17:12,319 --> 01:17:13,960
preferably something even more exciting.

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01:17:15,119 --> 01:17:18,880
Speaker 6: Well, time will tell them that case, right, Yeah, and

1234
01:17:19,000 --> 01:17:20,720
on his way one last thing, sorry red Hawk on

1235
01:17:20,800 --> 01:17:23,439
his way out. It looks like, if if this is

1236
01:17:23,520 --> 01:17:25,600
all true what I saw going by on extra Twitter

1237
01:17:25,720 --> 01:17:29,720
or whatever, Biden came in and like pardoned two Chinese

1238
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:34,079
spies and one Chinese guy who uh one Chinese guy

1239
01:17:34,119 --> 01:17:38,560
who apparently had a bunch of peto shit on his computer.

1240
01:17:39,079 --> 01:17:41,239
Speaker 2: Like, I guess what came out from that is that

1241
01:17:41,319 --> 01:17:45,159
they did them. They did a prisoner exchange apparently, so

1242
01:17:45,239 --> 01:17:49,800
they so like they attached like the pardon which like

1243
01:17:49,880 --> 01:17:51,960
goes away if they ever come back to the United States.

1244
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:55,319
Apparently what I was reading more about that, so they

1245
01:17:55,399 --> 01:17:59,119
did like an exchange with the Chinese, you know, for

1246
01:17:59,199 --> 01:18:02,479
these two guys by But yeah, so of course they're

1247
01:18:02,600 --> 01:18:04,319
gonna try and get everything out of the way before

1248
01:18:05,000 --> 01:18:07,560
uh Trump comes on in, you know, sand bag the

1249
01:18:07,600 --> 01:18:12,119
current administry or the incoming administration. But I guess, just

1250
01:18:12,199 --> 01:18:15,520
in conclusion, uh, I'll say this, when we got the

1251
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,920
announcement of this case on Monday, it was a nice

1252
01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:23,479
white pill. It was a nice you know, uh recovery

1253
01:18:23,520 --> 01:18:25,600
for all the troops as it were, because the last

1254
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:29,720
month on Twitter has just been dog shit since Trump's election.

1255
01:18:30,239 --> 01:18:32,279
So the Monday went out we got the Daniel Penny

1256
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:35,960
announcement was really like the first day it had been.

1257
01:18:36,359 --> 01:18:38,720
It had been fun on Twitter since election day. So

1258
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:42,560
that was really nice, nice morale boosting moment for everyone.

1259
01:18:42,920 --> 01:18:45,119
So good from Daniel Penny walks out of free.

1260
01:18:45,039 --> 01:18:47,560
Speaker 3: Dan Black pillars see Canadian Healthcare.

1261
01:18:48,319 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so nice work to uh Daniel Penny. I

1262
01:18:54,239 --> 01:18:56,640
hope he sues these people. I hope he uh gets

1263
01:18:56,680 --> 01:18:58,760
a shipload of money for it and hopes it gets

1264
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,039
he gets to live the rest of you days thinking

1265
01:19:01,520 --> 01:19:05,439
of ways to destroy the current regime. So nice work

1266
01:19:05,479 --> 01:19:07,279
on that front. Well, we have another case we'll be

1267
01:19:07,359 --> 01:19:09,720
looking at in a moment here, but we must fire

1268
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:11,640
away on some of these super chats that have come

1269
01:19:11,680 --> 01:19:14,960
in from our lovery viewers and the chat. So starting

1270
01:19:15,039 --> 01:19:19,520
at the top, we got Solid Snake nineteen sixty four.

1271
01:19:19,600 --> 01:19:22,079
You know he's been coming in, you know, right, I

1272
01:19:22,119 --> 01:19:24,000
think he's becoming like the first super chat the last

1273
01:19:24,039 --> 01:19:27,359
couple streams, he's encroaching on your territory, Csider. You got

1274
01:19:27,439 --> 01:19:29,000
to get back to it and be in there first

1275
01:19:29,039 --> 01:19:31,720
with your salutes. Every week you're you're slacking a little bit, sir,

1276
01:19:32,119 --> 01:19:35,600
But thank you Solid Snake for coming in first as always.

1277
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:38,800
For five bucks, he says, Evening, gents, been up with

1278
01:19:38,920 --> 01:19:43,119
all the Wichita lads this last Saturday and an awesome time.

1279
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:45,800
Hoping to get together again sometime soon. Do you guys

1280
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,039
see that it's Iran's drones flying around New Jersey? Lindsey

1281
01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:52,399
Graham hopes they are anyway, Salute the OGC. Yeah, that's

1282
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:56,319
that's just when you've been around long enough, you just

1283
01:19:56,439 --> 01:19:58,920
know immediately when the stories are fake news. And man, o, man,

1284
01:19:59,079 --> 01:20:00,960
is that a huge one. I just do not give

1285
01:20:01,000 --> 01:20:03,359
a shit about that story at all. Everyone's talking about

1286
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,319
all the tim Pooles and you know, normy con people

1287
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:08,279
in the world was saying, oh my gosh, the UFOs.

1288
01:20:08,319 --> 01:20:10,319
It's like, I legenerally don't give a shit about the

1289
01:20:10,359 --> 01:20:15,159
story at all. I could not care less. Let's move

1290
01:20:15,199 --> 01:20:19,319
on to Zendrath their demons. Yeah, yeah, there you go,

1291
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:23,880
zen Rath for five bucks. Good white boy Winter say

1292
01:20:23,920 --> 01:20:28,920
it back. Yeah, Corbyn Ramsey for twenty bucks. Well, Red

1293
01:20:28,960 --> 01:20:31,560
Hawks see the Craven the Hunter movie. Seems there was

1294
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,520
more gore in the trailer for a Craven than all

1295
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,760
glad eat or two. I can't remember the last time

1296
01:20:35,800 --> 01:20:39,479
I went to a theater to see the movie. I mean, actually,

1297
01:20:39,760 --> 01:20:41,680
or shall I say a new movie. I went and

1298
01:20:41,720 --> 01:20:47,239
saw die Hard last year for the thirtieth anniversary in theater,

1299
01:20:47,319 --> 01:20:47,680
so I got.

1300
01:20:47,680 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 5: To say that'd be nice. I missed that it was

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01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:50,399
in theater.

1302
01:20:50,600 --> 01:20:52,199
Speaker 2: That sounds yeah, yeah, So I got to see that

1303
01:20:52,319 --> 01:20:55,159
last Christmas, which was which was really fun. But yeah,

1304
01:20:55,159 --> 01:20:57,800
I mean, I just just don't go to the movies anymore. No,

1305
01:20:58,319 --> 01:21:04,119
it's just not enjoyable. Let's see Pete Budapez for five bucks.

1306
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:07,640
Assad's ousting seems like a powerbrokerring. The West gets to

1307
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,520
declare victory before deal is made on Ukrainehere Russia gets

1308
01:21:10,560 --> 01:21:14,520
what it wants. Oh maybe, I mean Charlie gave us

1309
01:21:14,520 --> 01:21:18,000
a long exposition last week on his concerns about the

1310
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:23,319
Trump administration with negotiations for a settlement for Russia Ukraine.

1311
01:21:24,079 --> 01:21:26,399
I don't know time will tell on this one, but

1312
01:21:26,840 --> 01:21:31,359
but you know, it's definitely not an impossibility. Let's move

1313
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,680
on to j for ten bucks. Have people listened to

1314
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:37,479
Mark Andresen on the Free Press podcast. He's an elite,

1315
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:40,399
well versed in our spheres elite theory. Especially he recommends

1316
01:21:40,439 --> 01:21:43,079
the Machiavellians as his most actionable book.

1317
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:47,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're pretty aware of injrees. Yes, he follows a

1318
01:21:47,680 --> 01:21:50,800
number of us, and lately he's been.

1319
01:21:51,600 --> 01:21:53,279
Speaker 4: At first it seemed like he was sort of like

1320
01:21:54,199 --> 01:21:57,359
quietly following, but lately it seems like he'll pretty much

1321
01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:02,560
just as the super chattered here indicates, he'll just share

1322
01:22:02,720 --> 01:22:04,680
some of the kind of stuff that we're interested in

1323
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:05,760
straight out, you know.

1324
01:22:06,399 --> 01:22:08,279
Speaker 5: So, yeah, he's paying attention.

1325
01:22:08,439 --> 01:22:11,319
Speaker 6: He's got he's got me blocked the fuck.

1326
01:22:11,399 --> 01:22:14,079
Speaker 3: He may he may even listen to some of us.

1327
01:22:16,039 --> 01:22:22,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe wouldn't. Yeah, exactly like ancha firm Nordon and I. Yeah, uh,

1328
01:22:22,680 --> 01:22:25,279
screwed up Texas for ten bucks, says christ has risen

1329
01:22:25,399 --> 01:22:28,760
salute Yeah in deep. Christmas season is coming up, birth

1330
01:22:28,840 --> 01:22:32,439
the baby Jesus, So thank you very much, screwed up

1331
01:22:32,479 --> 01:22:35,119
Texas and the I always like seeing the Salute gang

1332
01:22:35,239 --> 01:22:38,319
showing up in the chat. So nice work, Fellaws chief

1333
01:22:38,359 --> 01:22:41,000
slinging beef for ten bucks. Pray for me, brothers. I

1334
01:22:41,079 --> 01:22:43,760
must take a voyage to the foreign land of Nashville

1335
01:22:44,039 --> 01:22:48,039
tomorrow on my f and birthday. Nonetheless, I hate that

1336
01:22:48,119 --> 01:22:48,880
talent with a passion.

1337
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 3: Now.

1338
01:22:49,159 --> 01:22:50,680
Speaker 2: I always found the traffic there has just been a

1339
01:22:50,800 --> 01:22:52,960
nightmare the last couple of years. I must walk among

1340
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,520
the jeets in the Californians. Yeah, I guess that's a

1341
01:22:55,520 --> 01:22:58,000
good point too. A lot of people are moving there.

1342
01:22:58,119 --> 01:23:00,239
It's like the fastest growing city in the country. I

1343
01:23:00,359 --> 01:23:02,680
think when last I read about.

1344
01:23:02,439 --> 01:23:07,199
Speaker 6: It, well, yeah, they seem they seem resolved to destroy Tennessee,

1345
01:23:07,279 --> 01:23:08,520
which is a real tragedy.

1346
01:23:09,720 --> 01:23:12,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean the traffick of that place is

1347
01:23:12,600 --> 01:23:19,000
just absolutely insane. Now let's see, uh city breakdancer, man,

1348
01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:24,439
what a great name. Appreciate the Scream Boys just stopped

1349
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,760
in to drop some love. We'll listen tomorrow. I'll thank

1350
01:23:27,840 --> 01:23:31,079
you for all the replay. Gang guys listen to us

1351
01:23:31,159 --> 01:23:38,199
after Seaside for a ten Bucks sends a salute, thank

1352
01:23:38,239 --> 01:23:41,079
you as always. My friend and son of Hafster from

1353
01:23:41,159 --> 01:23:43,159
up in the New Ivy League sends us five bucks

1354
01:23:43,239 --> 01:23:46,279
all star lineup fellows, salute, thank you very much. And

1355
01:23:46,800 --> 01:23:49,079
Jack for five bucks says it may not be white,

1356
01:23:49,239 --> 01:23:50,680
but boy do I know what's right?

1357
01:23:51,239 --> 01:23:51,560
Speaker 3: All right?

1358
01:23:51,640 --> 01:23:54,960
Speaker 2: Cool, thank you, I appreciate it both, fellow. Speaking of

1359
01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:57,560
another case that's been going on in the city of

1360
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:59,960
New York, we have a new updates as it relates

1361
01:23:59,960 --> 01:24:06,760
to the Healthcare CEO assassination. The alleged killer has been

1362
01:24:06,760 --> 01:24:10,800
taken into custody. Luigi was a Mangioni or something like that.

1363
01:24:12,079 --> 01:24:12,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that's right.

1364
01:24:13,840 --> 01:24:17,199
Speaker 6: Yeah, so I thin they extradited him from what was it,

1365
01:24:17,239 --> 01:24:18,600
Pennsylvania to New York.

1366
01:24:19,399 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 2: I was gonna say Club Tropical Excellence, but h yeah, yeah, yeah,

1367
01:24:23,279 --> 01:24:24,920
so they actually died.

1368
01:24:25,439 --> 01:24:27,239
Speaker 5: It does it does look like that red Hawk. I

1369
01:24:27,239 --> 01:24:28,000
didn't even think of that.

1370
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, so they uh actually died and brought him back.

1371
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,560
I don't know. As we've been talking about the story

1372
01:24:36,640 --> 01:24:39,399
quite a bit every night on mister D's Twitter spaces

1373
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:43,560
whenever we've had a chance, and I mean it definitely

1374
01:24:43,600 --> 01:24:46,439
seems to me as we get more info about this, uh,

1375
01:24:46,640 --> 01:24:48,840
this guy just had an Iowaska trip and just completely

1376
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:53,520
lost his brain and went all schitzo posting. We got

1377
01:24:53,560 --> 01:24:56,439
a picture here of this guy basically is doing like

1378
01:24:56,600 --> 01:25:00,239
Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, you know, numerology, basically the

1379
01:25:00,319 --> 01:25:03,239
secret to everything is the number two eighty six. Well

1380
01:25:03,720 --> 01:25:07,319
so that's a little odd. I mean, yeah, look, he's

1381
01:25:07,319 --> 01:25:11,119
even got the Pokemon reloom in his Twitter Avatar, which

1382
01:25:11,199 --> 01:25:14,960
is poke decentry to eighty six and yeah, I don't know.

1383
01:25:15,800 --> 01:25:18,199
This one's just getting weirder and weirder as we learned

1384
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:18,760
more about it.

1385
01:25:19,800 --> 01:25:23,880
Speaker 6: There's a thread going around that I saw today that

1386
01:25:25,079 --> 01:25:32,560
hypothesized the hypothesizes some sort of relationship between the Pelosi's,

1387
01:25:32,840 --> 01:25:37,039
you know, notorious wealth generation through stock trading based on

1388
01:25:37,159 --> 01:25:39,960
insider knowledge, something having to do with a massive data

1389
01:25:40,039 --> 01:25:45,239
breach with United Healthcare and apparently some legal action taken

1390
01:25:45,279 --> 01:25:49,680
against United Healthcare and the fact that this Luigi Manngiones family,

1391
01:25:49,920 --> 01:25:53,239
according to this thread, I haven't followed up or checked

1392
01:25:53,239 --> 01:25:56,199
any of it. According to this thread, they're a very

1393
01:25:56,319 --> 01:26:01,880
wealthy family in Maryland in the same sandbox as part

1394
01:26:01,920 --> 01:26:07,079
of the Pelosi Gang, and that they made their money

1395
01:26:07,159 --> 01:26:13,560
with healthcare. Apparently they run a whole series of elder

1396
01:26:13,640 --> 01:26:20,760
care homes called Lori enn So. And they point out

1397
01:26:20,920 --> 01:26:27,439
that apparently Luis Gimanngioni was heading north from Atlanta to

1398
01:26:27,560 --> 01:26:32,479
New York several days prior to this conference, which hadn't

1399
01:26:32,520 --> 01:26:35,760
been announced, which would suggest some sort of insider knowledge

1400
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:39,159
on his part in terms of the event happening in

1401
01:26:39,239 --> 01:26:43,079
the first place. Though the threat is set forth as

1402
01:26:43,159 --> 01:26:47,039
though it reveals some sort of, you know, secret connection.

1403
01:26:47,319 --> 01:26:50,760
It's just a bunch of sort of circumstantial stuff at

1404
01:26:50,800 --> 01:26:54,079
this point, but it does suggest there might be more

1405
01:26:54,159 --> 01:26:56,359
going on here, might be, I don't know, it might

1406
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:58,800
be more going on here than a bad eyahuasca trip.

1407
01:26:59,159 --> 01:27:01,039
Speaker 4: Well, what do you think I'll anyone going for the

1408
01:27:01,119 --> 01:27:03,640
story that he's a patsy and he didn't actually kill

1409
01:27:03,680 --> 01:27:06,720
the guy, and they just he was, you know, kind

1410
01:27:06,760 --> 01:27:08,600
of crazy, and so they figured they could put him

1411
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:09,479
up as the guy who did it.

1412
01:27:10,680 --> 01:27:13,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I think I may have I've

1413
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:16,399
seen that at least hinto that, if not said explicitly,

1414
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:18,439
I just I'm in no position to know. I haven't

1415
01:27:18,520 --> 01:27:19,600
followed it very closely.

1416
01:27:20,680 --> 01:27:23,720
Speaker 2: I mean, one of the more interesting things that have

1417
01:27:23,840 --> 01:27:25,520
come out of this is just a comparison to this

1418
01:27:25,680 --> 01:27:30,439
guy to Thomas Matthew Crooks, in the sense of, within

1419
01:27:30,520 --> 01:27:34,439
a week, we know basically everything about this guy. Where

1420
01:27:34,479 --> 01:27:36,960
he went to school, whose family are, what you like

1421
01:27:37,039 --> 01:27:39,079
to do in his spare time. He had a back injury,

1422
01:27:39,119 --> 01:27:41,359
so we know his medical history, you know, you know

1423
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:44,800
his family, his family's wealth. And then you look at

1424
01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:47,199
Thomas Matthew Crooks, would literally know nothing about the guy

1425
01:27:47,600 --> 01:27:52,239
at all. So that kind of suggests to me, if

1426
01:27:52,279 --> 01:27:56,439
there's something, you know, darker at foot here, they would

1427
01:27:56,479 --> 01:27:59,199
just memory hold this and you know, just no point

1428
01:27:59,239 --> 01:27:59,960
of being talking about it.

1429
01:28:00,079 --> 01:28:04,439
Speaker 3: It all just seems odd from the beginning. I mean,

1430
01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:08,560
it was like the you know, the killing was making

1431
01:28:08,640 --> 01:28:13,279
a statement with how many bullets he fired, the way

1432
01:28:13,319 --> 01:28:16,439
he did it, the way he set it up. If

1433
01:28:16,479 --> 01:28:18,520
it if it is him, I don't know. I had to.

1434
01:28:19,119 --> 01:28:21,920
You know, my friend Pause always says, don't don't stare

1435
01:28:22,000 --> 01:28:26,279
directly into the op. Yes, every everything is an OP.

1436
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:30,399
Don't stare. You have to, you have to look around. Yeah,

1437
01:28:31,039 --> 01:28:34,720
so you know, you know, all I know is, you know,

1438
01:28:35,239 --> 01:28:41,359
somebody who basically used socialists and Marxists and communist means

1439
01:28:42,119 --> 01:28:48,000
to enrich a few people, a CEO of a healthcare

1440
01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:52,439
company and also defrauded a fire was defrauding a fire

1441
01:28:52,720 --> 01:28:56,800
a fireman's pension, something like that. Caught some bullets that

1442
01:28:56,840 --> 01:28:57,640
I'm supposed to care.

1443
01:28:58,600 --> 01:29:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, this has been like the main argument, right,

1444
01:29:02,399 --> 01:29:03,039
that has been the.

1445
01:29:04,000 --> 01:29:08,720
Speaker 3: Violence the supreme authority from which all other authority is derived.

1446
01:29:11,800 --> 01:29:16,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a nice combination of a starship troopers at

1447
01:29:16,239 --> 01:29:19,279
fight club there for you never thought I'd see the day.

1448
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:22,039
But I mean that really has been the whole crux

1449
01:29:22,079 --> 01:29:26,399
of the the argument right this whole week is you know,

1450
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:30,800
like I've seen like Takes a I want to we'll

1451
01:29:30,840 --> 01:29:32,199
call it, let's let's call it more of like the

1452
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:35,840
Finalist crowd like Takes saying that you know, like, hey,

1453
01:29:35,960 --> 01:29:38,199
isn't this more or less what you want? You know,

1454
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:42,600
it's like the bearer violence necessary for change, and it's like, no.

1455
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:43,119
Speaker 6: Not like that.

1456
01:29:43,840 --> 01:29:46,359
Speaker 3: Well, you know, it's it's one of those things where

1457
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,560
you know, a lot of people have no problems when

1458
01:29:51,079 --> 01:29:54,199
a bunch of people chimp out in a city because

1459
01:29:54,239 --> 01:29:57,600
you can hide from that. If you have one person

1460
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,600
who sets their sights on you, you can't hied from that.

1461
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:02,880
They're gonna get you.

1462
01:30:03,600 --> 01:30:05,920
Speaker 2: I mean that certainly was the thing that stuck out

1463
01:30:05,920 --> 01:30:10,159
to me immediately when this whole story first kicked off,

1464
01:30:10,359 --> 01:30:14,880
was the fact that it's nice to have the idea

1465
01:30:15,000 --> 01:30:18,119
out there that nobody is untouchable, right.

1466
01:30:21,000 --> 01:30:23,960
Speaker 3: And that's what I was implying about the DA and

1467
01:30:24,079 --> 01:30:26,039
the judge in Daniel Penny's case.

1468
01:30:27,760 --> 01:30:34,920
Speaker 2: M I mean, I think the thing to make most

1469
01:30:35,000 --> 01:30:38,239
note of. But this story is if this guy, the

1470
01:30:38,359 --> 01:30:42,119
victim I'm talking about, was the CEO of any other industry,

1471
01:30:43,039 --> 01:30:45,840
it's like a you know, like like a Ford CEO

1472
01:30:46,159 --> 01:30:49,399
or a Tech CEO or something like that, the story

1473
01:30:49,399 --> 01:30:51,800
definitely wouldn't have caught fire the way it did. I mean,

1474
01:30:51,840 --> 01:30:55,279
everyone is talking about this because it's healthcare. Because everybody

1475
01:30:55,399 --> 01:30:57,640
on all sides of the aisle knows that the healthcare

1476
01:30:57,680 --> 01:31:02,600
industry in America is corrupt, exploitative, and fucked up beyond

1477
01:31:02,640 --> 01:31:05,079
all recognition at all levels, and everyone is pissed off

1478
01:31:05,079 --> 01:31:07,840
about it. I'm not saying, like what this guy did

1479
01:31:08,000 --> 01:31:10,640
is like a good thing. Obviously, murder is wrong, and

1480
01:31:10,720 --> 01:31:13,880
we don't want you know, street violence and vigilantism and such.

1481
01:31:14,039 --> 01:31:18,760
Speaker 6: But the hell.

1482
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,800
Speaker 4: As people were observing, as somebody was saying, you know,

1483
01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:26,560
left wing, right wing, all kinds of people are kind

1484
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:27,840
of having this similar reaction.

1485
01:31:28,119 --> 01:31:31,560
Speaker 5: So so, yeah, this is it seems to sort of

1486
01:31:31,600 --> 01:31:32,960
be a non partisan issue.

1487
01:31:34,119 --> 01:31:34,319
Speaker 3: Struck.

1488
01:31:34,439 --> 01:31:36,079
Speaker 2: It struck a nerve with a lot of people because, like,

1489
01:31:36,720 --> 01:31:39,399
who likes dealing with insurance companies? We all know they're

1490
01:31:39,399 --> 01:31:41,399
fucked up, we all know they're breaking the law every day,

1491
01:31:41,439 --> 01:31:42,479
and nothing is done about it.

1492
01:31:43,119 --> 01:31:45,840
Speaker 3: I mean, the gayest part of this whole thing is

1493
01:31:46,039 --> 01:31:49,840
is that as soon as it happened, people started arguing, Oh,

1494
01:31:50,000 --> 01:31:50,640
is he a leftist?

1495
01:31:50,760 --> 01:31:50,920
Speaker 4: Is he?

1496
01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:53,119
Speaker 3: Is he on the right? Oh? If I'm on the right,

1497
01:31:53,159 --> 01:31:54,840
then I'm going to say he's a Marxist. If I'm

1498
01:31:54,880 --> 01:31:57,439
on the left, he did a good Yeah.

1499
01:31:57,840 --> 01:31:59,920
Speaker 2: There was a lot of that going on, especially for

1500
01:32:00,079 --> 01:32:01,079
the daily wire types.

1501
01:32:01,359 --> 01:32:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, why did he do it? Okay, that's the only

1502
01:32:05,000 --> 01:32:07,000
thing you eat. The only question you really need to

1503
01:32:07,079 --> 01:32:10,239
be asking is why did he do it? Okay, you

1504
01:32:10,359 --> 01:32:12,520
want to know why. It's like nine to eleven. Okay,

1505
01:32:12,600 --> 01:32:15,680
that building a building fell, they didn't get Okay, three

1506
01:32:15,720 --> 01:32:20,439
buildings fell that day. Why did it happen? That's the

1507
01:32:20,520 --> 01:32:24,199
most important question. Everything else is a fucking distraction. Why

1508
01:32:24,279 --> 01:32:24,880
did it happen?

1509
01:32:27,399 --> 01:32:30,119
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean people want to know which team the

1510
01:32:30,279 --> 01:32:32,520
killers on and which team the guy who got killed

1511
01:32:32,640 --> 01:32:34,720
is on, so they could decide which team they're going

1512
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,359
to root for or root against.

1513
01:32:36,119 --> 01:32:36,760
Speaker 2: Or something like that.

1514
01:32:36,960 --> 01:32:38,880
Speaker 5: It's it's kind of a silly way of looking at

1515
01:32:38,920 --> 01:32:39,479
the license thing.

1516
01:32:40,359 --> 01:32:43,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, one of the things I wanted to

1517
01:32:44,399 --> 01:32:48,159
use this topic to springboard onto a different one is

1518
01:32:48,399 --> 01:32:50,760
we're talking about how the healthcare system is just beyond

1519
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:54,039
broken in this country. Well just basically everything is broken.

1520
01:32:54,239 --> 01:32:57,039
The mistake economy is something I wanted to talk about

1521
01:32:57,079 --> 01:33:00,880
in Springboard off of this. You know, I'll give just

1522
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:03,720
a very very basic example today, and I'm sure everybody

1523
01:33:03,800 --> 01:33:07,239
in the chat has some experience like this on the

1524
01:33:07,279 --> 01:33:09,760
weekly basis, no matter what it is. Right, So I

1525
01:33:09,840 --> 01:33:12,399
went to one of the stopping shop like oil change

1526
01:33:12,439 --> 01:33:14,840
places today to get the oil changed on my truck.

1527
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:15,880
Speaker 3: Right, this is.

1528
01:33:15,840 --> 01:33:18,880
Speaker 2: Supposed to be a very quick, fifteen minute process. Everybody's

1529
01:33:18,880 --> 01:33:21,520
done it in a million times before. Right, I spent

1530
01:33:21,600 --> 01:33:24,399
an hour in my truck, sitting in this place waiting

1531
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,239
for these chuckle fucks to do a very very basic task.

1532
01:33:27,960 --> 01:33:32,319
And I hear these guys underneath my truck. They're laughing

1533
01:33:32,359 --> 01:33:34,479
at each other. I could hear one of the guys

1534
01:33:34,560 --> 01:33:38,239
has his phone out, you know, they're telling jokes, they're

1535
01:33:38,279 --> 01:33:40,600
take it forever, They're wrenching on shit. They come up

1536
01:33:40,640 --> 01:33:42,520
and give me the most bullshit excuse like, oh, well,

1537
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:44,399
it was really on there, really tight. You had to

1538
01:33:44,439 --> 01:33:46,359
make sure it was off. And I'm just thinking in

1539
01:33:46,399 --> 01:33:49,000
the back of my mind, like these guys basically have

1540
01:33:49,119 --> 01:33:51,479
you buy the balls because you can't go out and

1541
01:33:51,560 --> 01:33:54,199
complain really about it because they're going to fuck up

1542
01:33:54,199 --> 01:33:57,439
your car or something. And there's no like actual way

1543
01:33:57,479 --> 01:33:59,439
these guys are going to get punished for their incompetence.

1544
01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:02,119
It's like you go to the DMV and this like

1545
01:34:03,079 --> 01:34:06,279
room temperature iq sha booon now just has complete control

1546
01:34:06,319 --> 01:34:08,199
over your life for the next three hours unless you

1547
01:34:08,279 --> 01:34:11,239
do everything that person says. And there's like no accountability

1548
01:34:11,279 --> 01:34:13,600
for these people getting fixed. But it's little things like

1549
01:34:13,680 --> 01:34:17,279
this like oh, you go to home depot and they

1550
01:34:17,319 --> 01:34:19,119
don't have the part for you, even though you called

1551
01:34:19,119 --> 01:34:21,319
ahead and you know, the chick behind the register said,

1552
01:34:21,319 --> 01:34:23,640
oh yeah, we totally have it, or like the person

1553
01:34:23,720 --> 01:34:26,000
doesn't put the extra sauce in your bag when you

1554
01:34:26,359 --> 01:34:28,840
order something from Chick fil A, or in this case

1555
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:30,479
which we're about to show in a second here, like

1556
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,920
somebody renigs on a deal that you just made. It's

1557
01:34:34,000 --> 01:34:38,359
just everything is not working anymore and people are getting

1558
01:34:38,399 --> 01:34:41,439
their fuses burned ever ever so close to the edge,

1559
01:34:41,560 --> 01:34:42,880
and a lot of people are just going to reach

1560
01:34:42,960 --> 01:34:46,079
the Michael Douglas falling down moment where they just go boom,

1561
01:34:46,840 --> 01:34:48,800
case in point right here, let's watch.

1562
01:34:54,239 --> 01:34:57,399
Speaker 5: Im oh.

1563
01:34:59,159 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 7: The cops.

1564
01:35:01,800 --> 01:35:03,520
Speaker 2: So in this case, this is not a Utah and

1565
01:35:03,600 --> 01:35:05,840
this guy had just bought this Nissan from this dealership

1566
01:35:06,560 --> 01:35:10,960
like an hour or two before came back. I think

1567
01:35:11,000 --> 01:35:13,479
it's a Nissan, whatever the hell it is.

1568
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 3: So, I mean, if it's a super, I can't believe

1569
01:35:15,640 --> 01:35:20,119
this guy's not a lesbian. Well, so.

1570
01:35:22,119 --> 01:35:30,119
Speaker 2: Next work, Doug enhance, you know, ligged blade Runner. But uh, basically,

1571
01:35:30,199 --> 01:35:33,479
the the point I'm trying to raise here is like, like,

1572
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:36,640
how do we fix this? This has obviously gotten way

1573
01:35:36,680 --> 01:35:40,199
worse since the cove. We all realize this just very

1574
01:35:40,239 --> 01:35:43,680
basic functions all over our society just do not work anymore.

1575
01:35:44,760 --> 01:35:47,159
All of corporate America basically exists just to fuck you

1576
01:35:47,279 --> 01:35:50,359
over in some way or another. So what do we

1577
01:35:50,439 --> 01:35:52,439
do about this? Fellas? Do we just have to completely

1578
01:35:52,479 --> 01:35:55,479
break this system in order for there'd be some kind

1579
01:35:55,479 --> 01:35:56,039
of repairs.

1580
01:35:58,239 --> 01:36:01,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm not a believer in break it, but I

1581
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,039
am a big believer, and I'm no great philosopher in this,

1582
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:08,640
so you know whatever, But I believe that there is

1583
01:36:08,760 --> 01:36:12,920
some value in organizing so that you can bring an

1584
01:36:13,000 --> 01:36:17,520
extreme focus to problem areas in such a fashion that

1585
01:36:19,000 --> 01:36:23,119
shame and abuse or lost revenues or whatever will have

1586
01:36:23,880 --> 01:36:27,399
their effect. And there are a variety of ways to

1587
01:36:27,520 --> 01:36:30,199
do it. You know, it's just basically like take a

1588
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:34,359
take a magnifying glass and the sun is the public

1589
01:36:34,439 --> 01:36:38,680
and focus that attention metaphorically speaking, so that it burns.

1590
01:36:40,239 --> 01:36:43,119
And that's where you get into the whole thing of

1591
01:36:43,319 --> 01:36:46,800
narrative generation and the rest. The problem is, most of

1592
01:36:46,840 --> 01:36:49,239
the people on our side of things, from what I've seen,

1593
01:36:49,720 --> 01:36:54,520
they don't build plans where each thing that happens is

1594
01:36:56,039 --> 01:36:59,359
designed to lead to the next thing and the next

1595
01:36:59,439 --> 01:37:03,239
thing and the next thing, so that you can snowball things. Generally,

1596
01:37:03,359 --> 01:37:08,359
we have scattershot attention. We don't draw up plans. And

1597
01:37:08,439 --> 01:37:11,520
here I'm talking about perfectly civil and perfectly legal plans.

1598
01:37:11,920 --> 01:37:15,439
We don't draw them up in narrative sequences where you,

1599
01:37:15,680 --> 01:37:17,760
for example, have a group of guys who get together

1600
01:37:17,960 --> 01:37:20,600
for the period of a year and you say, okay,

1601
01:37:20,680 --> 01:37:23,760
what can we win on with limited resources? And if

1602
01:37:23,800 --> 01:37:26,439
we do get the first win, how will it build

1603
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:29,199
to the second and the third and the fourth, So

1604
01:37:29,319 --> 01:37:32,279
that you've got a whole plan with contingencies for how

1605
01:37:32,399 --> 01:37:35,479
you address these problems in our society. We just don't

1606
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:39,520
do it. We don't. We don't have right wing think

1607
01:37:39,600 --> 01:37:43,119
tanks that I'm aware of that lay out plans at

1608
01:37:43,159 --> 01:37:47,439
this scale and across time, with the contingency aspects and

1609
01:37:47,479 --> 01:37:50,960
the rest building upon each previous step that came. And

1610
01:37:51,079 --> 01:37:55,319
I think until we do, we're not gonna. We're not gonna,

1611
01:37:55,520 --> 01:37:56,600
We're not gonna see changes.

1612
01:37:57,560 --> 01:37:59,680
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was having a conversation yesterday and we were

1613
01:37:59,720 --> 01:38:02,319
talking about Citizens United, and we were talking about the

1614
01:38:02,680 --> 01:38:08,680
United Healthcare CEO and how he's They've been convicted three

1615
01:38:08,800 --> 01:38:12,319
times and found guilty. If they were a private individual,

1616
01:38:12,439 --> 01:38:16,720
they'd be facing life in jail, but no they don't.

1617
01:38:17,880 --> 01:38:22,680
They're exempt from this. And you know, it always goes

1618
01:38:22,840 --> 01:38:27,920
back to this mid century country in Europe. You wouldn't.

1619
01:38:28,920 --> 01:38:32,039
No one would be gutting down a CEO in the

1620
01:38:32,159 --> 01:38:36,319
street in mid in a certain country in mid century Europe,

1621
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:41,239
because the government would be pulling that CEO in doing

1622
01:38:41,279 --> 01:38:43,640
a really quick trial and they would take care of it.

1623
01:38:47,359 --> 01:38:50,359
We don't have anybody watching out for us. People in

1624
01:38:50,439 --> 01:38:53,920
power are supposed to be watching out for us. We're

1625
01:38:53,920 --> 01:38:57,399
supposed to have a common culture, and power is supposed

1626
01:38:57,399 --> 01:39:00,720
to be watching out for us. But we have a

1627
01:39:00,760 --> 01:39:05,359
completely derastinated culture. We have a multi culture, and everything

1628
01:39:05,600 --> 01:39:10,279
is in chaos. It all needs to be fixed. You

1629
01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:12,279
don't have to tear it down, you just have to

1630
01:39:12,399 --> 01:39:16,319
change it so that happens. Shit like this is just

1631
01:39:16,399 --> 01:39:17,439
going to continue to happen.

1632
01:39:19,760 --> 01:39:21,520
Speaker 6: And for the record, do we just happen to know

1633
01:39:21,760 --> 01:39:25,239
the spectators like myself, do we know why this guy

1634
01:39:25,279 --> 01:39:27,359
who's pissed off and drove his car through the wall

1635
01:39:27,399 --> 01:39:28,119
of the dealership.

1636
01:39:29,119 --> 01:39:33,239
Speaker 2: He came to the dealership earlier, bought the car, apparently

1637
01:39:33,279 --> 01:39:35,199
there was some kind of issue with it, went to

1638
01:39:35,279 --> 01:39:37,760
come take it back like an hour or two later.

1639
01:39:38,960 --> 01:39:42,520
Company said all sales are final. Guy said, you're gonna

1640
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,159
take this car back. I'm gonna wripe it through the

1641
01:39:44,159 --> 01:39:46,399
front of the building. They didn't take the car back,

1642
01:39:46,479 --> 01:39:48,960
and here's a result. Yeah.

1643
01:39:49,039 --> 01:39:53,039
Speaker 6: See, he's a man of his word that if nothing

1644
01:39:53,119 --> 01:39:55,600
else should be celebrated. You know, I said I was

1645
01:39:55,680 --> 01:39:56,159
going to do it.

1646
01:40:00,079 --> 01:40:03,640
Speaker 3: Your promises come, they keep their promises.

1647
01:40:06,119 --> 01:40:10,319
Speaker 4: Well, there's one thing that comes to mind, this is

1648
01:40:10,479 --> 01:40:16,640
an old Austrian school thinking, which is that it seems

1649
01:40:16,800 --> 01:40:20,920
like some of the behavior we're talking about here feels

1650
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:27,880
a little bit like economic boom behavior, things tend to

1651
01:40:27,920 --> 01:40:32,920
get sort of loosey goosey. People feel like they kind

1652
01:40:32,960 --> 01:40:35,840
of can get away with everything, and in a bust,

1653
01:40:36,039 --> 01:40:37,000
you get this sort of.

1654
01:40:39,439 --> 01:40:41,039
Speaker 5: Tightening backup of behavior.

1655
01:40:41,159 --> 01:40:45,960
Speaker 4: You know, people are expected to go into the office

1656
01:40:46,039 --> 01:40:50,279
again and maybe not dress in their pajamas and you know,

1657
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:51,520
things like that.

1658
01:40:51,840 --> 01:40:54,439
Speaker 5: So I don't know, I just throw it out there

1659
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:55,399
because if we.

1660
01:40:55,439 --> 01:40:59,359
Speaker 4: Do have a bust and suddenly we notice that a

1661
01:40:59,439 --> 01:41:02,239
lot of a lot of behavior that had become acceptable

1662
01:41:02,399 --> 01:41:05,159
is no longer considered acceptable, you can remember that I

1663
01:41:05,239 --> 01:41:05,520
said this.

1664
01:41:10,920 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just uh, I don't know what it's gonna take,

1665
01:41:16,399 --> 01:41:19,680
but I'm just sick of like like I just want

1666
01:41:19,720 --> 01:41:21,640
to be I almost just want to become a hermit

1667
01:41:21,680 --> 01:41:23,439
at this point, Like I just don't even want to leave.

1668
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:25,560
I just want to buy stuff from online all time,

1669
01:41:25,640 --> 01:41:29,520
because like it's like you have to plan like a

1670
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:33,800
complete like assassination pot Osama bin Laden just to go

1671
01:41:33,880 --> 01:41:36,880
to home depot these days, and I'm just sick of it.

1672
01:41:37,239 --> 01:41:40,880
You just run through like ten different huh like situations

1673
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:42,960
in your brain like oh, how's this person gonna fuck

1674
01:41:43,039 --> 01:41:43,600
me over today?

1675
01:41:43,840 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 3: Oh?

1676
01:41:44,039 --> 01:41:45,560
Speaker 2: I go into the office. Oh of course they don't

1677
01:41:45,600 --> 01:41:47,119
have what I'm looking for. Oh of course, it's going

1678
01:41:47,199 --> 01:41:49,239
to take a little extra longer. Oh of course it's

1679
01:41:49,279 --> 01:41:52,399
going to take, you know, however long for something to

1680
01:41:52,479 --> 01:41:54,640
be done that was a mundane task not even five

1681
01:41:54,720 --> 01:41:58,960
years ago. I mean, yeah, talks about all the time

1682
01:41:59,119 --> 01:42:02,199
of the sheeps hearing operation that goes on in the

1683
01:42:02,319 --> 01:42:06,600
United States, and it's really really hard not to agree

1684
01:42:06,640 --> 01:42:06,920
with him.

1685
01:42:09,479 --> 01:42:12,720
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're a real, real problem. I just saw Charlayne said, yes,

1686
01:42:12,760 --> 01:42:14,600
become the hermit. I was just about to say, you know,

1687
01:42:14,680 --> 01:42:16,520
you can always move way out into the country in

1688
01:42:16,560 --> 01:42:20,199
the woods, like like I've done, like like Charlemagne's done.

1689
01:42:20,439 --> 01:42:22,880
Speaker 3: It doesn't mean that you're a minister. Then it takes

1690
01:42:22,920 --> 01:42:27,439
you three months to get your transmission change. Well, yes,

1691
01:42:27,560 --> 01:42:30,520
but it did get changed properly. It finally, it finally did.

1692
01:42:30,600 --> 01:42:33,600
That's an inside joke with because I guess.

1693
01:42:33,399 --> 01:42:35,520
Speaker 2: That's a question, right, would you rather have it done

1694
01:42:35,600 --> 01:42:38,239
correctly and it takes forever or would you rather you

1695
01:42:38,279 --> 01:42:40,279
do have it done quickly? But it breaks it there.

1696
01:42:41,720 --> 01:42:44,840
Speaker 6: And and I'm able to go actually talk to the person,

1697
01:42:44,960 --> 01:42:47,399
and he is in charge of his shop. Whereas you

1698
01:42:47,479 --> 01:42:51,319
can know you can run through the the I remember

1699
01:42:51,359 --> 01:42:54,159
when I was a younger man, not an old man

1700
01:42:54,199 --> 01:42:56,560
as I am now, and I had an older friend

1701
01:42:56,760 --> 01:42:59,479
and I would always hear him bitching. He was always like, oh,

1702
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:01,119
I'm just trying to get this done. I'm just trying

1703
01:43:01,119 --> 01:43:02,800
to get that done. And he would always tell me

1704
01:43:02,880 --> 01:43:05,079
things like jump on it right now, you know, hammer

1705
01:43:05,159 --> 01:43:07,520
the process through. Do not wait, They're gonna screw you.

1706
01:43:07,600 --> 01:43:10,760
And I was like, who lives that way? And then

1707
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:13,520
I got old enough to where I have a number

1708
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:15,640
of different things that need to get done right, and

1709
01:43:15,840 --> 01:43:18,520
I to your point, red Hawk, I spend an enormous

1710
01:43:18,520 --> 01:43:22,680
amount of my time just sitting and thinking before I

1711
01:43:22,800 --> 01:43:26,199
have interactions with people in order to like manage that

1712
01:43:26,399 --> 01:43:30,720
process and get it done right. And even so, even

1713
01:43:30,880 --> 01:43:34,359
so it half the time it doesn't work out. Like

1714
01:43:34,479 --> 01:43:36,640
I mean, the worst is lawyers, man. I mean, we

1715
01:43:36,680 --> 01:43:38,560
don't need to get lost down that rabbit hole. But

1716
01:43:39,159 --> 01:43:42,479
like you're paying them, you know, significant sums of money

1717
01:43:42,720 --> 01:43:45,720
and they don't really do anything. And their entire attitude

1718
01:43:45,960 --> 01:43:48,720
is I'm doing you a favor. You're lucky, I'm helping

1719
01:43:48,760 --> 01:43:51,399
you at all. You're lucky. I took the project only

1720
01:43:51,560 --> 01:43:53,840
to like sit on it and not do anything right.

1721
01:43:54,079 --> 01:44:00,720
So yeah, welcome to yeah maturity, call it. So I'm

1722
01:44:00,760 --> 01:44:03,119
not too depressed. No one does anything right.

1723
01:44:03,760 --> 01:44:07,119
Speaker 5: Sounds like you guys are not feeling that as customers

1724
01:44:07,159 --> 01:44:08,439
you are king no.

1725
01:44:08,960 --> 01:44:12,520
Speaker 6: Oh yeah. Do you remember that in the early nineties

1726
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:14,960
when they're like, the customer is always right? I mean,

1727
01:44:15,600 --> 01:44:18,760
I remember you used to be able to log God,

1728
01:44:18,880 --> 01:44:20,640
call people up. Yeah, you used to be able to

1729
01:44:20,680 --> 01:44:21,600
call people up and be like.

1730
01:44:21,680 --> 01:44:24,600
Speaker 2: I'm a customer. I demand to be taken care of.

1731
01:44:25,000 --> 01:44:27,359
Speaker 6: Now they just they just hang up or laugh or

1732
01:44:27,439 --> 01:44:31,399
my favor knowing that whole COVID period, you can't call anyone,

1733
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:35,279
there's no one to call. Literally, there's no one.

1734
01:44:35,279 --> 01:44:38,279
Speaker 2: To quiring to figure out the new technique to just

1735
01:44:38,359 --> 01:44:40,520
fuck you right in the ass. That is what all

1736
01:44:40,600 --> 01:44:44,720
these people are doing now. It's it's so bad thing.

1737
01:44:45,840 --> 01:44:49,680
I mean, expect more of this, That's all I'm gonna say.

1738
01:44:50,319 --> 01:44:53,359
You know, people are just gonna lose their shit and

1739
01:44:53,439 --> 01:44:56,279
you're gonna get stuff like this. One of the things

1740
01:44:56,279 --> 01:44:59,520
that really pisses me off to no end is when

1741
01:44:59,560 --> 01:45:03,840
people followed the rules to the letter but aren't actually

1742
01:45:04,079 --> 01:45:07,159
like following them to the spirit and it's like, oh,

1743
01:45:08,199 --> 01:45:12,199
we close at six fifty nine and you show up

1744
01:45:12,199 --> 01:45:14,760
at like six fifty five, and now it's like no, no, no, no,

1745
01:45:14,920 --> 01:45:16,520
we can't serve you man, no, no no. It's like

1746
01:45:16,560 --> 01:45:18,439
come on, man, you know you can't do me a

1747
01:45:18,520 --> 01:45:22,720
solid here. Like just it's weird how it's like, this

1748
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:26,119
is this extreme feminization like rules following culture that we

1749
01:45:26,199 --> 01:45:28,600
have in all the businesses, but at the same time,

1750
01:45:28,680 --> 01:45:33,800
there's just no like actual you know, moving about of

1751
01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:37,399
the rules when it calls for it. Now it's just like, well,

1752
01:45:37,439 --> 01:45:39,319
this is our policy. It's like, yeah, I get it

1753
01:45:39,399 --> 01:45:41,600
to your policy, but your policy is fucking stupid and

1754
01:45:41,720 --> 01:45:44,119
my unique situation doesn't actually fall into your policy. So

1755
01:45:44,119 --> 01:45:46,439
how would you do me a solid here? Rajiesh No,

1756
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:55,359
But of course you don't get that anymore, so I know, yeah, exactly,

1757
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:56,239
but yeah, and.

1758
01:45:56,279 --> 01:45:58,800
Speaker 4: I'll I'll just just while we're while we're complaining, I'll

1759
01:45:58,840 --> 01:46:02,520
just mention the thing about calling for support, you know,

1760
01:46:04,680 --> 01:46:08,560
and you know, the first line of people you're talking

1761
01:46:08,640 --> 01:46:13,720
to are totally useless, and your objective is to get

1762
01:46:13,800 --> 01:46:17,359
past level one, right, and then you might get to

1763
01:46:17,479 --> 01:46:18,399
someone who can help you.

1764
01:46:18,960 --> 01:46:19,920
Speaker 2: But but It's like.

1765
01:46:22,800 --> 01:46:25,199
Speaker 5: I didn't play much football, but I'm picturing like a

1766
01:46:25,239 --> 01:46:28,039
football scenario. Right, you got to kind of like muscle

1767
01:46:28,119 --> 01:46:29,119
your way past.

1768
01:46:29,960 --> 01:46:31,960
Speaker 2: You get a march downfield just to get a result.

1769
01:46:32,399 --> 01:46:34,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, not even to get a result, to get someone

1770
01:46:35,000 --> 01:46:38,039
who is capable of comprehending what the issue is.

1771
01:46:38,359 --> 01:46:42,239
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly exactly, And you know you bring up oh,

1772
01:46:42,319 --> 01:46:44,720
the customer is always right, and they're like wrong.

1773
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:53,159
Speaker 2: Well, we're not going to end the stream just on

1774
01:46:53,319 --> 01:46:55,199
this one. We do actually have a bit of a

1775
01:46:55,279 --> 01:46:58,680
light story to talk about. We saw this this week.

1776
01:46:59,039 --> 01:46:59,479
Speaker 3: Heroic.

1777
01:47:00,119 --> 01:47:03,920
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I thought so. Yeh. I saw this going around.

1778
01:47:04,039 --> 01:47:07,640
Maybe people saw this on Twitter. This very brave gentleman

1779
01:47:08,079 --> 01:47:12,439
scaled a nineteen story building to rescue his mother. Why

1780
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:13,560
don't we listen in on this one?

1781
01:47:14,680 --> 01:47:18,560
Speaker 7: Scaling a nineteen story burning building in Philadelphia with the

1782
01:47:18,680 --> 01:47:21,199
hopes of reaching his mother trapped inside.

1783
01:47:21,640 --> 01:47:23,279
Speaker 8: I'm not just going to sit there and let my

1784
01:47:23,399 --> 01:47:26,479
mom die. I'd rather risk my life fall and then

1785
01:47:26,640 --> 01:47:27,880
let her sit in there and die.

1786
01:47:28,159 --> 01:47:30,199
Speaker 2: He climbed it all the way up the outside of

1787
01:47:30,199 --> 01:47:30,520
the build.

1788
01:47:31,000 --> 01:47:33,920
Speaker 7: Sometime after nine thirty pm, Jermaine received a call from

1789
01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:37,000
his sister saying his sixty five year old immobile mother

1790
01:47:37,159 --> 01:47:39,720
couldn't make it out of her apartment on the fifteenth floor.

1791
01:47:40,159 --> 01:47:42,920
Jermaine rushed to the scene, but police had blocked off

1792
01:47:42,960 --> 01:47:43,560
the front door.

1793
01:47:43,800 --> 01:47:45,680
Speaker 8: They said they was like the elevator and not working.

1794
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:47,920
I'm like, no problem, I take the steps. I just

1795
01:47:47,960 --> 01:47:49,720
want to go make sure my mother. And my mother

1796
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:52,960
is sick. She bear ring, so I need to get

1797
01:47:53,039 --> 01:47:53,319
up there.

1798
01:47:53,640 --> 01:47:57,119
Speaker 7: But police wouldn't let Jermaine in. So, despite having fractured

1799
01:47:57,159 --> 01:48:00,239
his hip earlier that day, Jermaine let a dren and

1800
01:48:00,359 --> 01:48:04,560
take over, climbing the buildings fenced in balconies, wire cutters

1801
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:05,039
in hand.

1802
01:48:05,600 --> 01:48:07,720
Speaker 8: I was gonna cut a hole in the fence to

1803
01:48:07,880 --> 01:48:10,079
next door and then you know, to let how go through.

1804
01:48:10,359 --> 01:48:12,640
Speaker 7: The fire was contained by the time he reached his

1805
01:48:12,760 --> 01:48:15,600
mother's floor. She reassured him from the balcony that she

1806
01:48:15,800 --> 01:48:17,960
was okay, and back down he went.

1807
01:48:18,800 --> 01:48:21,239
Speaker 5: Was she yelling at you because you climbed it outside?

1808
01:48:21,279 --> 01:48:22,439
Speaker 8: She was more shocked?

1809
01:48:22,960 --> 01:48:24,079
Speaker 3: She she really not.

1810
01:48:25,039 --> 01:48:27,079
Speaker 8: She she don't be surprised if things I do that.

1811
01:48:27,479 --> 01:48:29,239
Speaker 2: She know I'll go over and be off of her.

1812
01:48:29,560 --> 01:48:32,760
Speaker 6: So back down he went, expecting a quick arrest once

1813
01:48:32,920 --> 01:48:36,079
on the ground, but an understanding officer let him go.

1814
01:48:36,520 --> 01:48:39,680
Speaker 8: So he actually did come in a break because he

1815
01:48:40,359 --> 01:48:44,479
understanding the circumstances. He knew. You know, you know, when

1816
01:48:44,479 --> 01:48:47,159
you're adrenaline and pumping your mom up there, you're thinking

1817
01:48:47,239 --> 01:48:47,760
she dying.

1818
01:48:48,439 --> 01:48:49,520
Speaker 5: You do anything you can.

1819
01:48:52,640 --> 01:48:55,560
Speaker 6: I proposed for the previous point, I mean, also based,

1820
01:48:55,680 --> 01:48:59,319
but it's a propos because here you've got a situation

1821
01:48:59,399 --> 01:49:03,359
where you're selebrating the fact that the people who forced

1822
01:49:03,399 --> 01:49:06,119
you to climb up however many stories out the outside

1823
01:49:06,119 --> 01:49:08,640
of the building. The win is that you're celebrating the

1824
01:49:08,720 --> 01:49:10,560
fact they decided not to prosecute you.

1825
01:49:11,479 --> 01:49:15,039
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean it's literally just one of those people in.

1826
01:49:15,119 --> 01:49:17,479
Speaker 3: The chat think that where we're doing the chirp, the

1827
01:49:17,680 --> 01:49:21,439
chirp actually happened three times in that body.

1828
01:49:21,680 --> 01:49:25,600
Speaker 2: It wasn't for once, it wasn't done, It was actually

1829
01:49:25,680 --> 01:49:29,119
in the thing. This is not in post production, guys, No, no,

1830
01:49:29,680 --> 01:49:31,279
But yeah, you do bring up a good point, Oliver,

1831
01:49:31,359 --> 01:49:33,319
And this is something I was thinking of. I mean,

1832
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:36,760
I actually hadn't watched that before we played it, just

1833
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:41,560
because I wanted to be surprised. But your point is

1834
01:49:41,760 --> 01:49:45,399
well taken. That we talked about this a bunch like

1835
01:49:46,079 --> 01:49:48,000
this is a big red pill topic and married red

1836
01:49:48,039 --> 01:49:51,560
poll forums. Right, the two different parenting strategies between men

1837
01:49:51,640 --> 01:49:55,359
and women. And women have a very rules based parenting

1838
01:49:55,439 --> 01:49:58,760
strategy in the sense of, okay, the rules come down

1839
01:49:58,840 --> 01:50:02,199
from oh I'm sorry that minim a very rules based

1840
01:50:02,840 --> 01:50:06,840
parenting strategy in sense everybody knows the rules. They're declared

1841
01:50:06,880 --> 01:50:09,199
to everyone. You know if you break when you're gonna

1842
01:50:09,199 --> 01:50:12,760
get punished. But you also know that you know there's

1843
01:50:12,760 --> 01:50:15,560
a bit of wiggle room in these But as it

1844
01:50:15,640 --> 01:50:19,199
relates to a female parenting strategy, it's all completely emotional.

1845
01:50:19,560 --> 01:50:22,119
There's no actually rules set in stone because it's all

1846
01:50:22,199 --> 01:50:24,560
based on the emotions of the people who are actually

1847
01:50:24,560 --> 01:50:27,079
in the positions of power at that time. So it's

1848
01:50:27,119 --> 01:50:29,560
like people know this all the time, right, Like when

1849
01:50:29,600 --> 01:50:31,600
you're growing up as a kid, it's like, oh, have

1850
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,800
your buddy go ask your mom if you can go

1851
01:50:34,880 --> 01:50:37,079
and sleep over, right, or have a play day with

1852
01:50:37,159 --> 01:50:38,439
your friend or something. It's like, oh, it will go

1853
01:50:38,520 --> 01:50:40,760
better if you ask my mom, right, Because you're playing

1854
01:50:40,760 --> 01:50:43,199
on emotions, you're not actually playing on rules, right, And

1855
01:50:43,279 --> 01:50:45,520
people figured this out at a very young age. Nobody

1856
01:50:45,560 --> 01:50:47,520
goes and asks the dad because the dad says, no,

1857
01:50:47,720 --> 01:50:51,960
your bedtime is xyze time. Just another example of this.

1858
01:50:52,720 --> 01:50:57,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, and it's a perfect and simple, straightforward explication that

1859
01:50:57,640 --> 01:51:03,199
everyone can understand of why female judges should be forbidden.

1860
01:51:05,039 --> 01:51:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, shut up, chilly woman. Perfect. All right, let's wrap

1861
01:51:13,880 --> 01:51:16,119
up with some super chats and then we'll close down

1862
01:51:16,159 --> 01:51:21,079
for the night. Fellas, So scrolling down to Pee Budapest

1863
01:51:21,199 --> 01:51:24,119
for five bucks. So much of our society was set

1864
01:51:24,159 --> 01:51:26,880
up for people with a shared culture and morality, but

1865
01:51:27,000 --> 01:51:34,159
America is now drugged out, multicultural hellhole with anti morality. Yeah,

1866
01:51:35,359 --> 01:51:38,920
I mean, you can't expect our waspy standards to be

1867
01:51:39,039 --> 01:51:45,600
upheld by non wasps. Simple as that. And that's it.

1868
01:51:46,199 --> 01:51:48,800
No more super chats. Kind of a light night tonight.

1869
01:51:48,920 --> 01:51:53,079
But it's December. People are in the Christmas spirit. I'll

1870
01:51:53,119 --> 01:51:56,479
be Yeah, I'm to start traveling tomorrow for my own Christmas,

1871
01:51:56,680 --> 01:52:00,319
so I'll be gone the next couple of weeks. But Pete,

1872
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:01,640
anything to promote.

1873
01:52:01,359 --> 01:52:05,960
Speaker 9: Sir Pekinana show Pete substack dot com. Check out the

1874
01:52:06,079 --> 01:52:08,920
episode I just dropped today. Thomas and I talking about Syria.

1875
01:52:09,359 --> 01:52:12,960
I think you'll get some insights there. Thomas actually knows

1876
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:15,960
he has people that know people on the ground there.

1877
01:52:16,119 --> 01:52:17,680
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's it.

1878
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Speaker 2: Take care of one right on, Steven, Do you have

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anything remote, sir?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So, like I said, I'm usually not here for

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Tony Express Radio because my weekly show is on Thursdays,

1882
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and I guess for this audience, I'd want to mention

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a series I've recently done on Rena Camu. And interesting

1884
01:52:40,520 --> 01:52:43,319
thing about Rena Camu is that he came up with

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the phrase the great replacement thirty years ago, and.

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Speaker 5: He spoke and wrote about what he meant.

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Speaker 4: By the great replacement, and I found his thoughts quite interesting.

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He's kind of coming at things from a different angle.

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He's not exactly I don't know, a right winger, I suppose,

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and yet I have found him really quite insightful in

1891
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thinking about what's been going on with what he calls

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01:53:11,960 --> 01:53:15,079
replaces them. So check out my series it's just called

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Reno Camu on the channel Radical Iboration on YouTube. It's

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a play west where I go through some of his writings.

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I think you'll find it quite interesting. Alrighty, definitely go

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check that out. It was a pleasure to speak with you,

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Steven and Semigog.

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Speaker 6: What do you have to promote sir, just my channel,

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follow me over on YouTube, follow me on Twitter as

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well if you like. I'm very very happy to be here.

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Thanks for having me as a guest. I look forward

1902
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to checking out that stream that Pete just mentioned With Thomas.

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I've been watching a bunch of the stuff out of

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their back catalog, all kinds of great discussions. For my part,

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the only thing I likely have coming up soon, if

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01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:03,479
I can get it scheduled, is discussion with people regarding

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what's been happening in Georgia, the country, not the state.

1908
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And I will be having an appearance coming up on

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Millennial with Woes. I believe that will be happening. Let

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me scroll back here on my calendar. That should be

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over on Millennial on Monday the twenty third, in the

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evening at eight pm. And I think he's going to

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do some sort of thing. He's calling a banquet where

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he has a number of guests at one time this year.

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That'll be happening on the twenty seventh. So yeah, thanks again, guys.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll bet that I'll be at that banquet.

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Speaker 2: Yes, many of the many of the OGC guys will

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be on MILLENNI uell this year for the American Banquet,

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So everyone check your calendars for that one.

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Speaker 3: Got the last time in there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I see that. I'll get that in one second.

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So yeah, we'll be on the lookout for the OGC

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guy's appearance on all billenni uele be sure to check

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out all of our friends. Lenny, you all tend this year,

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So what does an excellent job of which you go

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over and support them? But yes, Paladin YYZ for twenty

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bucks says Assad must go to the Pequanonas show.

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Speaker 3: So funny, it.

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Speaker 2: Would be interesting, great super Jet one. I can just

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imagine like him making appearance on Orange Show. I have

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a really interesting guest that you're really gonna enjoys al

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sad welcome, But first let's hear from skill Share.

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Speaker 3: We have to assume that Tucker is going to get

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that right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be interesting.

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Speaker 6: I thought about that.

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Speaker 3: I might be chasing it.

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Speaker 6: That would be interesting.

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Speaker 2: No, it would be interesting for myself. I do not

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really have much to promote at the moment. Next year,

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I'm making the promise to revive the Son of Orion

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sub stack because I want to get more of my

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hunting posts out. There's been a severe backlog of though

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that I need to get rolling, so that'll be my

1945
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New Year's resolution next year is to revive the Son

1946
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of a Ryan substack for everyone, so that'll be fun

1947
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little project for myself in the meantime. Like I said

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at the start, check out Axios Remote Fitness and Coaching.

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Link is in the description, so be sure to get

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you I'll signed up and get jacked for next year.

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White Boy Summer never ends. And speaking of White Boy Summer,

1952
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like I said, thirty percent off for the next thirty

1953
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:31,560
hours of Pony Express radio t shirts. Be sure to

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01:56:31,600 --> 01:56:35,439
go over to WBS Apparel and buy a shirt while

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01:56:35,479 --> 01:56:39,199
supplies last. Also check out the olds you see Substack Tomorrow.

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There's a podcast behind the paywall with.

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Speaker 3: Who is It?

1958
01:56:43,800 --> 01:56:47,199
Speaker 2: It's Grant Brooks and Prudentialist Tomorrow are behind the paywall,

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so you guys can sign up for eight bucks a

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month on the Substack get access to all of our

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01:56:51,720 --> 01:56:55,000
paid content behind the paywall. We do like movie reviews,

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some paid articles.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 2: Our cult classic favorite is the Flag the US Flags

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stream where we went through all fifty states and Oliver

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01:57:04,960 --> 01:57:08,479
you were on that one. We talked about vexillology of

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01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:12,399
the United States. Yeah, that was a fun one. And

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also our Sicaro review is also another good cult classic

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on that one, so if you guys.

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Speaker 3: Can check out three times since that review, it's so good.

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Speaker 2: It's such an amazing movie. I want to make a

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real life alrighty, But with that out of the way,

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I might make an appearance in the future, but if

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I don't, have a merry Christmas, everyone and the Pony

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Express Radio will be back next week in my absence.