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and this is how we're going to enter the Fall

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of twenty twenty five because you have really really done

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Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you.

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Speaker 3: I am so excited to the early reactions. It's really

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Speaker 1: Well, you know how we are. I don't know what

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it is about this current generation. It may be because

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of the lockdown and we reopened our imaginations, but we

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want books like this. We crave them because we want

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to be taken somewhere, and then when we get back

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to the real world, we want to go back to

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your book.

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Speaker 2: I totally agree.

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Speaker 3: I think that there's an amazing opportunity for Catharsis in

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horror stories.

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Speaker 2: And I know people said, I never want.

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Speaker 3: To read anything about an outbreak again because that's what

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we've been living in. But we still need to process

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that as a community, right and so that's why I

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think stories that kind of cover and face down these

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grand traumas of the generation are really important.

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and they're going to see that title. What was it

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that was magnetic to you as a creative person to

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come up with the Dead Summer? Because I'm sure there

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must have been one hundred billion different other choices. But

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what you've done here is you now say this is

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the Dead Summer, and it's like, give.

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Speaker 3: We had so many ideas, Oh my gosh, I don't

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even want to think about the hundreds of different ideas

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in my notes out that didn't end up becoming this title,

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because we wanted something that kind of captured the summary

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but also captures the kind of insidious nature of a

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summer that just will not end, that period of summer

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where whips going on.

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Speaker 2: And on and everyone's like kind of hoping.

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Speaker 3: That fall starts soon, And especially in a book that

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has to do with the ocean and all of the

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strange creatures that are looking down there. I think that

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it ended up being a really great title for for

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this particular opening to a duology.

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Speaker 1: Right away, I was thinking of Carolina when you're speaking

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of all this, and the reason why is because we

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have the beaches and we've got the summers that just

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absolutely refuse to leave us. And so I mean the

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actual place where you planted this book, I think could

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go in any part of this nation, and people feel

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at home when they read the paragraphs.

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Speaker 3: I totally agree. I think a lot of us grew

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up maybe going to a beachy community that was sort

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Speaker 3: Of the pressures that kind of show up in places

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Speaker 3: Go they don't have to experience them. They just get

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to leave at the end of their week and head

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the rest of us can sit here and say, oh

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having a great time reading about this horrific situation and

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exploring the world and meeting all of.

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Speaker 2: The diverse characters. And that's great.

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the chiro faster and do all of the things that

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Speaker 2: But I'm happy to sort of sit back and let

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people have this story.

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Speaker 1: See, a lot of people don't understand the relinquishing part

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of what we do as authors. It can be a

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because as creative people, you know how we are, Ryan,

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it's not an easy journey. On the opposite side, when

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Speaker 3: Give me something away that's lived in your head for

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so long, like you almost kind of resent it, like, oh,

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Speaker 2: It belongs to everybody else.

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Speaker 3: No exactly, You're like you kind of are saying goodbye

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to an imaginary friend, and you know, this book for

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me we're taping this. It comes up tomorrow, so if

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you if you're hearing it's probably already out. But but

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beginning of the book's life out in the world and

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then the imaginations of readers. And for a moment, it

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party that no one's shown up to, and then suddenly

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flood in, and and then it's really joyful and really

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fun and you kind of get to to burn.

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Speaker 3: But I'm in that moment now where I'm just kind

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of waiting for people to arrive.

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Speaker 1: Yep, please do not move. There's more with Ryan Lsala

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coming up next, the name of the book The Dead Summer.

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We're back with author Ryan Lesala. I got to tell

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you something. There's an invisible side of what you do

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that a lot of readers don't get to see. What

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you've done is you've opened the door for me and

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other other writers like yourself, so that I can have

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conversations with people that don't realize these books exist, that

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there is something written about something that is going on

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in their own personal life. And I know you know

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what I mean, because gender identity is so important. But

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if I don't walk out there as a heterosexual and say, look,

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you got to read this book, my god, you've got

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listeners to do. When you read this book, you've got

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to share it with other people so that people like

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Ryan Ryan here can continue doing what you're doing.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and I would even argue that there's a tremendous

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amount to be learned in my experience as a queer

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person in the story that I'm writing for really everybody.

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Speaker 3: Have had to survive at all costs, and I've kind

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of sort of had to create their own sanctuaries. And

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created in is ardently being defended by the kids in

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Speaker 1: Ultimately, I want a T shirt or I want a

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poster from you, you, and hopefully you'll market this ike

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changed me. A secret is a breath that you ask

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someone to hold. Where in God's name did you come

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Speaker 2: Shame and secrecy is a big theme in this book.

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of sickness over the years, and there was a chemical

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fill deep in the past, and now as a result

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of a lot of the hardship, the community has kind

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Speaker 2: Of paradise and really cling to it. But all along

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that you ask another to hold, because you're sort of

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other people don't hide, they end up kind of totally

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controlling the life that we get to live.

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Speaker 3: Oh, I love it. I My favorite thing as an

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author is getting those like messages at like three am

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from someone who's clearly stayed up way too late reading

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one of my books. And they're equal parts furious as

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they are ecstatic that I've tricked them or beguiled them,

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or it made them scream or made them cry. And

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of Gracey's mom. She's just sort of like if you

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took like one of those kitschy pillows at like a

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which is a great character to put in the middle

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of a horrific catastrophic scenario because she's determined to be

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Speaker 2: If the world is ending around her.

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Speaker 3: And I think that I would have a great time

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what I'm doing. I literally got my suba diving certification

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Speaker 3: I've never written something with sort of like the epistolary format.

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catastrophe that Ali is currently trying to survive. And as

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a result, I got to explore a lot of different

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types of media. For instance, there's a radio show. There's

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a transcript from a radio show.

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Speaker 2: In the book.

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Speaker 3: There's injury transcripts, there's some social media posts and all

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of this is a different kind of writing that I

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had to kind of figure out how to do in

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real time, and I'm really glad for it. Was a

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lot of work, but it was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 1: Now, Ryan, it was Mark Twain who said, and he

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did this in his one hundredth anniversary of his autobiography.

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He said, You've got to use your own writing accent

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when you put things together. And that's exactly what you

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have done. This is your accent. I can't write the

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way that you write.

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Speaker 2: I totally believe this.

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Speaker 3: This is something that I say to a lot of

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the teens that I get to talk with at book

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events and at school visits. That real power comes down

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to discovering your own voice and telling a story on

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your terms. Because that's advice that I got really early.

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I was lucky enough to have an English teacher who

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put me on the right track and said, you know,

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if you don't like the books that.

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Speaker 2: You're reading, how about you write your own. There you go,

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and I did. I sat down in the middle of

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my school library.

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Speaker 3: I was seventeen, I started writing and that became my

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very first novel that got published.

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Speaker 2: And now here we are, I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I've lost out five or six books later, and this

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has become my whole world, my whole job. And it's

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because I took the time to figure out what my

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voice was.

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Speaker 1: God, I can still relate with you because the book

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that I wrote in the eleventh grade, thirty two years

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later it was finally published.

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Speaker 2: You just don't give up, that's the main thing. Yeah, exactly, Oh,

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I totally. Yeah. I always tell people, you know, you

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don't need to know what you want to do early on.

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It's a long life if you're lucky.

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Speaker 3: But you know, if you know, if you know who

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you are and what you want.

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Speaker 2: To do, then You've got to give your dreams to

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dayity of taking them. Seriously.

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Speaker 1: Wow, where can people go to find out more about you?

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Speaker 2: Ryan?

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Speaker 1: Because I love where your heart is.

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Speaker 3: I'm all over the internet, so find me on social

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media on TikTok.

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Speaker 2: Instagram, threads. My website is Ryan lsala dot com and

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all of my social media is are linked there. I

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love it.

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Speaker 1: You're gonna come back to this show any time in

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the future because the door is always going to be

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open for you.

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Speaker 2: Dude, I would be honored. I've had a great time.

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Speaker 1: Will you be brilliant today?

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Speaker 2: Okay, you too,