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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 3: of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan. I'm Jack, and today
Speaker 3: we have a very very spicy meatball that I would
Speaker 3: love to present to all the all the good cult
Speaker 3: members worldwide.
Speaker 2: It's spicy dog.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. I mean, depending on what your religion is,
Speaker 3: you may or may not get a little upset. I'm
Speaker 3: just precursor warning right now.
Speaker 1: Okay, So is this like whenever I did that deep
Speaker 1: dive on the Nation of Islam, and like if you
Speaker 1: were a member of the nation, you may take issue
Speaker 1: with some things that I said.
Speaker 2: Is it like that?
Speaker 3: Realm, let's just say, if you're a Catholic, you're not
Speaker 3: going to enjoy this.
Speaker 1: Uh oh oh, Now hold on, is this from their
Speaker 1: doctrine or is this other people's words? How deep we
Speaker 1: go and do because you know, I know a thing
Speaker 1: or two about Catholicism, not everything, not some, not some
Speaker 1: all knowwhere of the Vatican archives, but the higher hierarchy.
Speaker 2: And some of the things I know about how deep
Speaker 2: we go and do.
Speaker 3: Well, that's why I'm excited to talk with you about it,
Speaker 3: because you do know a good bit more about just
Speaker 3: Christianity in general than I do. But I have referenced
Speaker 3: this very topic over the past couple of years in passing.
Speaker 3: We've just never really done a super deep dive. And
Speaker 3: if you listen to the episode that we did, oh God,
Speaker 3: at least a year ago. Now, whenever we were talking
Speaker 3: about the Gray Pope, the Black Pope, and the Red Pope,
Speaker 3: the White Pope and all these different popes, right, and
Speaker 3: there's like a bunch of a bunch of different sectors
Speaker 3: that they all represent something like they're all in control
Speaker 3: of one thing or another. Well, this one is not
Speaker 3: so much the different sectors of Catholicism. It's more so
Speaker 3: the symbolism behind it. And now, the reason why I
Speaker 3: want to get into this is a couple a couple
Speaker 3: of different reasons. Actually. First of all, my experience at
Speaker 3: the Catholic Church. Whenever I went to Mass on that
Speaker 3: Sun a couple of years ago, I'm just out of curiosity.
Speaker 3: I went in there and I thought there's absolutely nothing
Speaker 3: spiritual about any of this, and if anything, it's the
Speaker 3: most cult like thing that I've ever experienced in my life.
Speaker 3: I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: Crazy, bro.
Speaker 1: Most people that have heard of that go to a
Speaker 1: Catholic Mass for the first time, having no spiritual background whatsoever,
Speaker 1: they all say it feels very spiritual. They felt like,
Speaker 1: not necessarily a presence, but the order of it, the
Speaker 1: ritual of it, whatever. They said, it felt like a
Speaker 1: spiritual experience. You say that you did not at all
Speaker 1: feel any type of spiritual, but the rudimentary and the
Speaker 1: orderliness of it made you feel more akin to like
Speaker 1: a cult.
Speaker 3: Let me put it to you like this. Whenever I
Speaker 3: say spiritual, I just mean like kind of the good feeling,
Speaker 3: the good vibe, the Holy Spirit coming within you, if
Speaker 3: you will right. And I'm not gonna say that the
Speaker 3: Catholic Church isn't spiritual. I'm just gonna say that it's
Speaker 3: not the kind of spirit that most people should be
Speaker 3: associating themselves with. And you can look at it through
Speaker 3: their symbology and what they actually represent. Now, the Catholic people,
Speaker 3: I'm not chitting on the Catholic people. Dude, You're just
Speaker 3: you think you're doing the right thing, and if it
Speaker 3: makes you be a better person, then you go right ahead.
Speaker 3: I'm just trying to get to the point of the
Speaker 3: symbology now, y'all know, I got the other podcast Meta Mysteries.
Speaker 3: I'm always looking into symbology. Symbology is literally they always
Speaker 3: say that symbology will be their downfall, like it's it's
Speaker 3: something that is out in the open. Now, one of
Speaker 3: the things that I've noticed through looking into like occult
Speaker 3: rituals and and things like that, is symbology is huge.
Speaker 3: It's probably the single most important materialistic thing that somebody
Speaker 3: would be able that you could do. So like even
Speaker 3: in witchcraft, like the pentagram. A lot of people look
Speaker 3: at the pentagram, they say, oh, it's satanic. Well, it's
Speaker 3: not really satanic until you turn it up side down.
Speaker 3: That makes it satanic. Whenever it's right side up, Hey,
Speaker 3: it's a star of David right like whatever, like you can,
Speaker 3: you can name it all these different things. But the
Speaker 3: point is is that I like getting into the symbolism here,
Speaker 3: and so what we're going to do is we're going
Speaker 3: to show how First of all, we've talked about popes
Speaker 3: and and all of that fun jazz. We talk about how, uh,
Speaker 3: this new pope is a little too woke, I.
Speaker 2: Think a little too little too politically leaning for sure.
Speaker 3: Right, And if anybody has ever visited our patreon, you'll
Speaker 3: see one of our our wallpaper is like this giant
Speaker 3: spider web of a list that shows like all these
Speaker 3: different things. And I was I was just looking at
Speaker 3: it for maybe a you know, just a little a
Speaker 3: little something that maybe, all right, well, you know what, well,
Speaker 3: I'll do a deep dive into one of these things
Speaker 3: maybe if I find them to be interesting or good
Speaker 3: enough rabbit hole to really go into. And I was
Speaker 3: going into one, and I was like, you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, I can't speak on Christianity as well as
Speaker 3: most other people, so I'm not going to go into
Speaker 3: that one. But this one, I thought, you know, what
Speaker 3: we'd referenced in so many times, and what we're going
Speaker 3: to be getting into today is the symbolism behind the fish.
Speaker 2: Hat, behind the Pope's fish hat.
Speaker 3: Dude, the fish hat. Yes, you forget what.
Speaker 1: It's actually called. I looked it up once upon a time.
Speaker 1: There's a fancy word for it. It's like a stove top.
Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, that's like it's like a
Speaker 1: top hat.
Speaker 3: It's a headdress essentially, but.
Speaker 1: The wording for it, there's fancy words for every little thing,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean.
Speaker 2: So I forget what it was, but I remember looking
Speaker 2: it up.
Speaker 1: But affectionately it has been called the fish hat, and uh, yeah, dude,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be honest, I've never really looked into it.
Speaker 2: I just know it's a thing that they wear.
Speaker 1: It looks very similar to some things that we see
Speaker 1: in certain pictorial you know, demonstrations of things from the past,
Speaker 1: But who's to say where it really came from, how
Speaker 1: it made its way to Rome, to the Vatican, to
Speaker 1: the Holy See.
Speaker 2: So I'm very interested to see how where this goes. Brother,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna lie.
Speaker 3: So we know that Christianity, and probably more so Catholicism,
Speaker 3: they pull a lot from pagan deities and pagan traditions
Speaker 3: and what not like that in order to be able
Speaker 3: to include everybody, make it a more inclusive religion. However,
Speaker 3: you think that most of that kind of stuff would
Speaker 3: really die off over the ages, because all you're really
Speaker 3: trying to do is just bring those pagans in. There's
Speaker 3: not very many pagans worldwide anymore, not as much as
Speaker 3: there used to be, and I mean especially not the
Speaker 3: United States. I mean you might have certain people say, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm pagan in nature, which that's fine, you know, but
Speaker 3: most people that are into paganism, especially nowadays, it's more
Speaker 3: so for not what it used to be. I think
Speaker 3: for the most part.
Speaker 1: No, because these days it's all about vibes and intent.
Speaker 1: Like back in the day, when you would sacrifice a
Speaker 1: goat to whatever deity you were worshiping, you weren't doing
Speaker 1: it for the good feelings that it gives you of.
Speaker 2: Maybe this is no.
Speaker 1: You were sacrificing this goat because this god wanted it,
Speaker 1: and it was like an understood thing. But so much
Speaker 1: that's been lost to history, so much that's been lost
Speaker 1: to translation that these days people who are trying to
Speaker 1: do neopaganism and no shade Throne, by the way, it's
Speaker 1: that they're kind of left to their own devices and
Speaker 1: left to source for themselves based off of what may
Speaker 1: or may not be a broken translation of a fragment
Speaker 1: of something that made it through. So the paganism of
Speaker 1: back in the day, and I'm not saying it was
Speaker 1: more evil or more blessed either way it goes. But
Speaker 1: I will agree with you one hundred percent, it was different.
Speaker 1: It was done differently, with a whole different ethos behind it.
Speaker 3: I would think, Yeah, people nowadays aren't going up to
Speaker 3: a top of a mountain and sacrificing their kid. It's
Speaker 3: just not going to happen. I mean, at least not
Speaker 3: anybody that I'm aware of anyway.
Speaker 1: That's pretty much frowned upon by most of the societ
Speaker 1: these days. But I mean, I'm sure there's some people
Speaker 1: out there still doing it. Hell, we find all these
Speaker 1: examples of these crazy Christian cults beating kids to death
Speaker 1: and shit, and it's these weird spinoff denominations. But it's like, well,
Speaker 1: our pastors said it was okay, come to find out,
Speaker 1: like a whole cult situation. So like, things do happen,
Speaker 1: but it's not like a fundamental part of any organized
Speaker 1: religion these days, at least that we know of.
Speaker 3: For yeah, Well, and what they're doing is they're saying
Speaker 3: that their kids need exercise because they have a demon
Speaker 3: inside of them. Meanwhile, it's just an excuse to literally
Speaker 3: beat the life out of them. So right, some people
Speaker 3: definitely take it too far. I know that like one,
Speaker 3: one person or one group doesn't represent an entire organization,
Speaker 3: doesn't resent, it doesn't represent any form of what you
Speaker 3: believe in. So I get that I'm separating that I'm not.
Speaker 3: I don't, you know, associate that with it. But however,
Speaker 3: let's get over to the Pope the Vatican, because I
Speaker 3: do believe that all roads lead back to Rome. And
Speaker 3: in a time where most people are are saying that
Speaker 3: the Jews run the world, there is one of my
Speaker 3: favorite people, one of the greatest conspiracy researchers of all time.
Speaker 3: If you haven't checked him out, and he's you know,
Speaker 3: unfortunately passed away, But Jordan Maxwell is really the one
Speaker 3: that started mixing this pot for me. If you haven't, dude,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, do a deep Jordan Maxwell deep dive, dude,
Speaker 3: and you will constantly be blown away because of the
Speaker 3: way that he breaks down certain symbolism, certain like hidden meanings,
Speaker 3: certain occult like nature. It is brilliant.
Speaker 2: Hold on Jordan Maxwell. He didn't die just very recently,
Speaker 2: did he? Like?
Speaker 1: Why do I get the feeling that videos I've seen
Speaker 1: of him are like super nineties.
Speaker 2: They are not think of the same guy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, all right, I'm with you. I'm with there's
Speaker 1: been a hot minute since I heard anything from him.
Speaker 1: But it's kind of like that old George Carlin bit
Speaker 1: when he's up there on stage he's talking about how
Speaker 1: like the government.
Speaker 2: Doesn't give a fuck about you. It's a big club.
Speaker 1: It's like one of those models logs as there's like
Speaker 1: etched in time, you know what I mean. This guy,
Speaker 1: if I'm not mistaken, his hot takes quote unquote have
Speaker 1: really really hit differently in the past few years, and
Speaker 1: I haven't heard from him in forever.
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a good episode, dude.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And so we're gonna be bringing
Speaker 3: up all the symbolism within this and afterward, Hey, if
Speaker 3: you still want to be a Catholic, that's that's totally
Speaker 3: your right. Maybe the priest or, the priest or, the
Speaker 3: popes they don't represent you, that's okay, But just so
Speaker 3: you know, to separate yourself from evil, because that's exactly
Speaker 3: what all of this we're gonna be getting into today.
Speaker 3: They are not worshiping Jesus, they're not worshiping God, well
Speaker 3: at least not the one you think they are. So
Speaker 3: that's what we're gonna be getting into so today. The
Speaker 3: first picture that I do want to show to kind
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Speaker 3: Here we go, yes, all right, So if you're on
Speaker 3: Patreon or Rockfin, then what you'll be able to see
Speaker 3: is the representation of Dagon or a Dagon priest on
Speaker 3: the left, and you can clearly see absolutely like representing
Speaker 3: a fish. Right. He has the fish hat and it
Speaker 3: goes all the way down the rest of his back
Speaker 3: pass his asset looks like the fish tail. And this
Speaker 3: is it almost looks Egyptian.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say so, looking at the way the
Speaker 1: body is positioned. Okay, that's something that we see very
Speaker 1: dominantly in Egyptian hieroglyphs. The head is turned to the side,
Speaker 1: the chest is towards the front, the arms are in
Speaker 1: some weird contortive fashion.
Speaker 2: One foot is more forward than the others.
Speaker 1: The hipster towards the front, but that's been made famous
Speaker 1: from Egyptian hieroglyphs. There have been other cultures that have
Speaker 1: done similar things. Mesopotamia and Samaria, if not mistaken, also
Speaker 1: had etchings and hieroglyphs done in a similar fashion.
Speaker 2: This was seen as the positioning of the gods.
Speaker 1: This is the way that the gods wanted to be
Speaker 1: emulated on stone. Therefore, allegedly, and this is the word
Speaker 1: that they got from their gods. So who's to say, whatever, fine,
Speaker 1: but that is the way that that etching has been
Speaker 1: done or was done for I want to say, about
Speaker 1: a thousand years across Mesopotamia.
Speaker 3: Well, this picture is actually the dagons. It actually stems
Speaker 3: from ancient Babylonia. There you go, so this is this
Speaker 3: is before the Bible was written. But yeah, where you
Speaker 3: know where they get a lot of stuff from. So
Speaker 3: I kind of just wanted to show that. And then
Speaker 3: you see over here the the pope with the fish hat.
Speaker 3: And yes, I mean you'll see different iterations of this, uh,
Speaker 3: this papal headdress, but this papal is I thought it
Speaker 3: was anyway, papal whatever. I don't know this shit, You're.
Speaker 1: Fine, This is all this is all words that like
Speaker 1: two hundred years ago, everybody knew how to say these
Speaker 1: things correctly. Now it's like most people don't know much
Speaker 1: about the goings on of the Catholic Mass, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean.
Speaker 3: I get it, papal, papal, whatever tomato to anyway, you
Speaker 3: get the point. The point is is that this head
Speaker 3: dress right here that he's wearing. You'll get certain different
Speaker 3: iterations of it, and actually some of them you'll see,
Speaker 3: like the fish eye on the side. But really all
Speaker 3: you need it doesn't take a large amount of imagination
Speaker 3: to be able to look at this picture sideways and
Speaker 3: you can clearly see it's absolutely a fishead, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, I've looked at the pictures of the
Speaker 1: popes for most of my life.
Speaker 2: I'm from Louisiana.
Speaker 1: I was born and pretty much raised Catholic until i
Speaker 1: was about twelve thirteen years old, and I've seen the
Speaker 1: hat a million times. I never thought of it as
Speaker 1: a fish hat until you see, hint it next to
Speaker 1: pictures like this, the whole thing going down the back,
Speaker 1: the mouth wide open, and it's like, okay, now I
Speaker 1: can't unsee that.
Speaker 3: So it stems from the ancient fish god called Dagon.
Speaker 3: And which you'll see. Dude, you're I'm telling you, if
Speaker 3: you have titsare prepare after this episode, you won't have
Speaker 3: to anymore because they will be blown right off your
Speaker 3: chest whenever you see the symbolism in all of this
Speaker 3: and all dude, the etymology of the word Dagon itself,
Speaker 3: who Dagon is related to? It is biblical, it is
Speaker 3: It's astronomical the connections that are going to be made
Speaker 3: and how they're carrying through like this, this tradition and
Speaker 3: maybe maybe it's just tradition. Maybe they don't mean anything
Speaker 3: by it. I don't buy it. They don't do anything
Speaker 3: without reason.
Speaker 1: This is one of the roasts you said, carrying it through.
Speaker 1: What's in your boy Dagon's hand. There is that that
Speaker 1: bag that we see in every type of etching across
Speaker 1: the world, regardless if these people even saw each.
Speaker 2: Other or not. Yeah, yeah, one of what he's carrying on,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, I don't know.
Speaker 3: And that's a different story for a different time. I
Speaker 3: would love to get into that at some point. But
Speaker 3: but and over rate here too. This is kind of
Speaker 3: another example right here. Yeah, the priest God and the
Speaker 3: religion meter. I believe it's how it said, or miter
Speaker 3: mi meter anyway, it's m I t r e. I've
Speaker 3: heard it pronounced different ways in different videos and stuff
Speaker 3: like that, but you can see right here another representation
Speaker 3: of it. So now you could just be saying, well, Jonathan,
Speaker 3: I know that you just run a conspiracy podcast. Of
Speaker 3: course you're gonna be connecting strings that don't necessarily belong.
Speaker 3: Shame on you for even thinking that. Don't question the almighty. No,
Speaker 3: I'm just kidding out.
Speaker 2: Who getting derailed here.
Speaker 3: So so let's get over to this first website and
Speaker 3: we're gonna get to know your boy Dagon a little bit,
Speaker 3: A little bit of a backstory here. This is by
Speaker 3: the uh the website called symbolsage dot com, and it
Speaker 3: says the fish in the Field Dagon's dualistic symbols explored. Now,
Speaker 3: this is gonna give a really good interpretation of who
Speaker 3: this Dagon character is. Is it evil? Is it is
Speaker 3: it good? Maybe it's pure, maybe it's holly and wholesome.
Speaker 3: Let's find out. We're talking about a fucking merman here, dude, right,
Speaker 3: I was about to say it looks like an ancient merman.
Speaker 3: We've seen this picture before when we bring up references
Speaker 3: of things. We've talked about it before, but I'm gonna
Speaker 3: be honest, I don't think we've ever actually done a
Speaker 3: deep dive of them.
Speaker 2: We've just kind of referenced them.
Speaker 1: We did the Starbucks talk before, and like apparently that
Speaker 1: was what this was kind of stemming from.
Speaker 2: We've never actually gone into it.
Speaker 3: Brother, let's go, let's go. So who was Dagon? It
Speaker 3: says Dagon was the Semitic god of agriculture, crops, and
Speaker 3: the fertility of the land. His worship spread through several
Speaker 3: regions of ancient Middle East. In Hebrew and Eugaridic, his
Speaker 3: name stands for grain or corn, symbolizing his tight connections
Speaker 3: to the harvest. Some sources propose that Dagon was the
Speaker 3: inventor of the plow. Apart from the Philistines, Dagon was
Speaker 3: a central god for the Canaanites.
Speaker 1: The Canaanites, who we know for sure were the type
Speaker 1: that would sacrifice their children into that Moloch.
Speaker 3: Okay, there you go, so you're already seeing why would
Speaker 3: the pope be associating himself with the god of the Canaanites,
Speaker 3: Because correct me if I'm wrong. The Canaanites were the
Speaker 3: bad guys, aren't they.
Speaker 2: It depends on the source, right, depends on the source.
Speaker 1: If you are reading from Abrahamic texts, and if you
Speaker 1: are somebody that gets down with the Judeo Christian or
Speaker 1: Islamic viewpoint of things, then yes, the Canaanites were potentially
Speaker 1: maybe just you know, people who didn't belong in this
Speaker 1: area and or half nephelum demon beings at giants, like
Speaker 1: all of the worst things you could say about a
Speaker 1: person were the Canaanites.
Speaker 2: So and again that was one of their gods. We
Speaker 2: talked about Moloch before, We've talked about bail before. But
Speaker 2: they had a.
Speaker 1: Pantheon of gods the same way that Rome. Some of
Speaker 1: their gods were the good and gentle type that were
Speaker 1: nurturing and some through lightning bolts at your ass. I
Speaker 1: mean it very varied, right, God to god, So Dagon,
Speaker 1: let's see if he required some crazy sacrifices or was
Speaker 1: he a god that just like was here to party?
Speaker 2: Was he the dionices? Dude? Was he here to give
Speaker 2: wine and happiness? Who knows?
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, which you know. And there's and that's
Speaker 3: the thing is that all through time there's been different
Speaker 3: interpretations of these gods and maybe they've changed names, maybe
Speaker 3: they changed cities. And you can see this really all
Speaker 3: throughout theology in general, that it's just converting and it's
Speaker 3: and it's appeasing certain peoples at certain times, but it's
Speaker 3: still relating back to the same origin story. So the
Speaker 3: fact that you're even bringing up Dionysus is hilarious for this.
Speaker 2: Oh God, did I nail it?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, I'm just saying that the symbolism behind it,
Speaker 3: it's it's all encompassing. And so anyway, which is why
Speaker 3: I'm fascinated with theology in general, because you can start
Speaker 3: to see how certain stories they evolve over time. But anyway,
Speaker 3: all right, So getting back to Dagon here, it says
Speaker 3: several sources differ about the origin of his name. To some,
Speaker 3: the name Dagon comes from Hebrew and Eugartic roots, yet
Speaker 3: he has associations with the Canaanite word for fish as well,
Speaker 3: and several of his depictions show him as a half
Speaker 3: fish half man god. His name also has connections to
Speaker 3: the root DGN. So I guess without the vowels, it's
Speaker 3: just Dagon without the vowels, which had to do with
Speaker 3: the clouds and the weather.
Speaker 1: Interesting, so fish and clouds and weather could all be
Speaker 1: the same because again, that language didn't have vowel noises, right,
Speaker 1: that was the Phoenician language, so they just kind of
Speaker 1: inferred vowel sounds. DGN could have meant any of those things.
Speaker 1: Very fascinating.
Speaker 3: So the origins of Dagon go back to twenty five
Speaker 3: hundred BC, when people from Syria and Mesopotamia started his worship.
Speaker 3: In the ancient Middle East and the Canaanite pantheon, Dagon
Speaker 3: was one of the most powerful gods, only second to
Speaker 3: l He was the son of the god Anu and
Speaker 3: presided over the fatilla of the land. So interesting. A
Speaker 3: lot of people will say Anu and Anaki. Who knows,
Speaker 3: We're just speculating here.
Speaker 1: So he was a fish god who was about fertility
Speaker 1: of the land as well.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, kind of all encompassing. He wasn't just
Speaker 3: one of those gods that was good for one thing
Speaker 3: he was. He was good for several things, but known
Speaker 3: as the fish god.
Speaker 1: That's why I'm trying to like make sure I get
Speaker 1: it all the whole picture here. So he was the
Speaker 1: god of fish, or at least this symbol of and
Speaker 1: I'm assuming there was some sort of ocean connection. He
Speaker 1: was also the god of rain and weather, they said earlier,
Speaker 1: like the clouds, and then those clouds do in fact
Speaker 1: rain on two fields to produce crops, so to say
Speaker 1: that he was a god of the fertility of the
Speaker 1: land as well through being a fish. Okay, I'm with you.
Speaker 1: I'm just making sure I got it all all strung together.
Speaker 3: And possibly where the whole idea of the plow the
Speaker 3: harvest plow came in from in the first place, too, Okay,
Speaker 3: so interesting, But it says he was the son of
Speaker 3: the god Anu and presided over the fertility of the
Speaker 3: Some sources propose that the Canaanites imported Dagon from the
Speaker 3: mythology of Babylonia. Dagon started losing importance for the Canaanites,
Speaker 3: but he reminded it or he remained a major god
Speaker 3: for the Philistines. When people from Crete arrived in Palestine,
Speaker 3: they adopted Dagon as an important deity. He appears in
Speaker 3: the Hebrew Scriptures as a primordial deity of the Philistines,
Speaker 3: where he was associated with death in the underworld. So
Speaker 3: now they're just stacking shit on top of this guy
Speaker 3: like as far as his characteristics go.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, the Philistines, I have not mistaken. That's what
Speaker 1: Goliath was a part of. So this was one of
Speaker 1: Goliath's pantheon of gods.
Speaker 3: Deagon's consort was known as Bilatu. But he's also associated
Speaker 3: with the goddess Nanshi, who was a fishing and fertility goddess.
Speaker 3: Dagon is also associated with the goddess Shahla or Eshara.
Speaker 3: So you see all the different connections here, But this
Speaker 3: one might tickle your pickle here a little bit. Dagon
Speaker 3: and the Ark of the Covenant.
Speaker 1: Well, I can already see where the article's going, but
Speaker 1: all right, I'm curious, and.
Speaker 3: This is actually written in the Bible. I checked it
Speaker 3: as well, that actually the Ark of the Covenant at
Speaker 3: one time was held in the Temple of Dagon.
Speaker 2: Was it after it was taken over or something, Well,
Speaker 2: it was.
Speaker 3: Held in the Temple of Dagon. And I'm not trying
Speaker 3: to blow the whole story here yet, but the Temple
Speaker 3: of Dagon it housed the Ark of the Covenant because
Speaker 3: they stole it, and whenever they stole it, people were
Speaker 3: going in there and trying to remove the blanket that
Speaker 3: was covering it up. And I guess the first person
Speaker 3: that went to go take the blanket off to really
Speaker 3: see the Ark of the Covenant fucking died as soon
Speaker 3: as he touched this blanket, right, That's how that works.
Speaker 3: And so how the Ark of the Covenant works. And
Speaker 3: so the Temple of Dagon was like, get this out
Speaker 3: of here. We don't want it, we don't like we
Speaker 3: And these were these were people that they worshiped the
Speaker 3: god Dagon, and so they were bringing this Arc of
Speaker 3: the Covenant to their god because they were like, all right, well,
Speaker 3: our God is the one true God, and if we
Speaker 3: bring in, you know, the the Hebrew God, well it's
Speaker 3: just going to show that our God has more power
Speaker 3: than the Hebrew God. So and then they started touching
Speaker 3: it and they were like, ah, fuck this, I changed
Speaker 3: my mind.
Speaker 2: That's great. I actually did not know this story.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, So anyway, we'll get to it right here.
Speaker 3: And it actually shows the Bible verse, but it says,
Speaker 3: according to the scriptures, the Philistines. Is this Philistines or Philistines.
Speaker 2: I've heard it pronounced both ways.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest with you, Okay, the Philistines stole
Speaker 3: the ark of the Covenant from the Israelites, the tablet
Speaker 3: which held the Ten Commandments. The Israelites had carried it
Speaker 3: through the desert for forty years as they wandered around.
Speaker 3: When the Philistines stole it, they took it to the
Speaker 3: Temple of Dagon. According to the Hebrew Bible, on the
Speaker 3: first night that the arc was placed in the temple,
Speaker 3: the statue of Dagon was in the temple fell. The
Speaker 3: Philistines thought that it was nothing but a misfortune, so
Speaker 3: they replaced the statue. The following day, the image of
Speaker 3: Dagon appeared decapitated. The Philistines took the ark to other cities,
Speaker 3: where it also caused different problems. In the end, they
Speaker 3: returned it to the Israelites with other gifts. In the Bible,
Speaker 3: this is mentioned, all right, So this is where a
Speaker 3: lot of this, this whole Dagon stuff really stems from Samuel. Okay,
Speaker 3: so this is first Samuel chapter is it chapter five,
Speaker 3: section two, or how do you say that again?
Speaker 2: All right? First Samuel chapter eight versus two.
Speaker 3: Through chapter chapter eight, verses two through five.
Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, that's chapter.
Speaker 3: Eight, chapter five, versus two.
Speaker 2: First Samuel, chapter five, verses two through five.
Speaker 3: Here we go, and it says it says, then the
Speaker 3: Philistines took the ark of God and brought it to
Speaker 3: the house of Dagon and said it by Dagon. When
Speaker 3: the Ashdodites Asdidites. Oh, anyway, when the Asdidites arose early
Speaker 3: the next morning, behold, Dagan had fallen, or Dagon had
Speaker 3: fallen on his face to the ground before the ark
Speaker 3: of the Lord. So they took Dagon uh and set
Speaker 3: him in his place again. But when they arose early
Speaker 3: the next morning, behold, Dagon had fallen on his face
Speaker 3: to the ground before the ark of the Lord, and
Speaker 3: in the head of Dagon, and both the palms of
Speaker 3: his hands were cut off on the threshold. Only the
Speaker 3: trunk of Dagon was left to him. Therefore, neither the
Speaker 3: priest of Dagon nor all who enter Dagon's house tread
Speaker 3: on the threshold of Dagon and Ashdod to this day.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Pretty cool story, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, and I'm not as over here, just like
Speaker 1: not what you're good No, no, no, no, I understand, like
Speaker 1: outside looking in that sounds ridiculous, But when multiple sources
Speaker 1: from both sides agree that these things took place, it's like, ooh, okay,
Speaker 1: so the Ark of the Covenant's got.
Speaker 2: Some real shit with it. It's it really.
Speaker 3: Does right right, and I'm that still baffles me to
Speaker 3: this day. I'm still trying to figure out the whole
Speaker 3: arc of the Covenant, but it definitely shows that through uh,
Speaker 3: through generations, through different peoples around the world, the story
Speaker 3: remains the same. It is pretty, it is a wild artifact,
Speaker 3: and it may be in Trump's house, so anyway, maybe
Speaker 3: it very well.
Speaker 1: Maybe I have yet to see a picture of someone
Speaker 1: touching it, That's all I'm saying.
Speaker 3: So the worship of Dagon, and by the way, that
Speaker 3: was like a picture or a statue, or I think
Speaker 3: that it was a statue that was representing Dagon. So
Speaker 3: you know, people way back in the day they always
Speaker 3: worshiped statues and just dumb little shit like that. But
Speaker 3: even even the statue which represented this god couldn't handle
Speaker 3: being in the presence of the Ark of the Covenant,
Speaker 3: which just goes to show the power from that whatever
Speaker 3: that trunk was.
Speaker 2: It was, for the record, that's the power of the
Speaker 2: God of.
Speaker 3: Abraham, so the story goes. But anyway, so the worship
Speaker 3: of Dagon here it says although Dagon was an important
Speaker 3: deity in the ancient Middle East. His central place was
Speaker 3: His central place of worship was Palestine. He was a
Speaker 3: major god for the Philistines and a fundamental figure in
Speaker 3: their antheon. Deagon was an essential god in the Palestine
Speaker 3: cities of Gaza, Azotus and Ashkalan Okay, since the Philistines
Speaker 3: were the main antagonists and the stories of the Israelites.
Speaker 3: Dagon appears in the Bible outside Palestine, Palestine, Palestine. I
Speaker 3: keep on bouncing back with.
Speaker 2: That Palestine, that's Palestine today.
Speaker 3: Outside Palestine, Dagon was also an essential god in the
Speaker 3: Phoenician city of Arvad. Dagon had several other names and
Speaker 3: domains depending on his place of warship. Apart from the Bible,
Speaker 3: Deagon also appears in the tel El Amarna letters as well,
Speaker 3: which I don't know what that is. So Dagon as
Speaker 3: the fish god, it says some sources believe that Deagon
Speaker 3: was the first Merman to exist, Mermian merh Man. The
Speaker 3: tradition of the deities associated with the fish spread through
Speaker 3: many religions. Christianity, Phoenician religion, Roman mythology, and also Babylonian
Speaker 3: gods were associated with fish symbolism. This animal represented fertility
Speaker 3: and goddess or in goodness, as Dagon did in this sense.
Speaker 3: The most famous depictions of Dagon are in his role
Speaker 3: of the Fish God. So this is kind of just
Speaker 3: like a little background story about who this character is
Speaker 3: and what he represents. Okay, all right, So it's still
Speaker 3: being represented in modern times that you'll see it all
Speaker 3: throughout games and TV shows and stuff like that. Dagon
Speaker 3: is the main character in the game Dungeons and Dragons
Speaker 3: as the Demon Lord.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 3: In the movie Conan the Destroyer, the antagonist is based
Speaker 3: on Dagon as well. In the series Buffy the Vampire
Speaker 3: Slater Uh, the Order of Dagon also delivered an important role, okay,
Speaker 3: And and he appeared in several other TV shows like
Speaker 3: Guillermo del Toro's The Shape of Water, The Blade Trinity,
Speaker 3: which is pretty interesting, Supernatural and even there and even
Speaker 3: the kids show called Ben Ten.
Speaker 1: Okay, now, that's pretty crazy that we get a shout
Speaker 1: out in Ben Ten Supernatural I saw coming a mile away.
Speaker 1: I think you'd be hard pressed to find any cryptid
Speaker 1: or religious deity of any type that hasn't had an
Speaker 1: episode on Supernatural done with its so Okay, so Dagon
Speaker 1: is not just like relegated to the sands of history.
Speaker 1: There are some some callbacks to it even in our
Speaker 1: modern day.
Speaker 2: I like it, dude.
Speaker 3: And it gets even crazier too, because it says in literature,
Speaker 3: perhaps his most important influence was an HP. Lovecraft's short
Speaker 3: story called Dagon. And it's believed that several characters by
Speaker 3: George R. R. Martin and a Song of Ice and
Speaker 3: Fire derived from this short story and thus from Dagon.
Speaker 3: So there you go with Game of Thrones, right, and
Speaker 3: they're always talking about dragons. It's the Mother of Dragons,
Speaker 3: her finn ass. But like you know, Dagon, dragon, is
Speaker 3: there a connection there? Some people have drawn the connection.
Speaker 3: We will possibly get to that today as a matter
Speaker 3: of fact.
Speaker 1: I mean, what in Dagon one of the Targarians or
Speaker 1: some shit that sounds like a name that sounds like
Speaker 1: a Game of Thrones first dame.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think there was a Dagon.
Speaker 2: I know there was an Agon.
Speaker 3: There was definitely an Egon. Yeah, they had a bunch
Speaker 3: of weird names like that. But anyway, it says, apart
Speaker 3: from this, Dagon appears, and well he appears in a
Speaker 3: bunch of other shit. But basically you'll see that he's
Speaker 3: even still to this day being represented or it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean the other let's say it's a he,
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe so, because it's a it's a merman.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, Okay, just making sure because there are certain
Speaker 1: gods that people will claim could swap between and all
Speaker 1: of that, to just make sure this was a male
Speaker 1: figure in this culture.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 3: So now I want to get to because we talk
Speaker 3: about how a lot of these traditions carry over in
Speaker 3: different regions of the world and whatnot. And you'll also
Speaker 3: see that the dagon fish god was also being re
Speaker 3: presented in Persia and it was known as Owanis And
Speaker 3: I don't know if it's Owanness or OAN's. I think
Speaker 3: it's Awantin.
Speaker 1: I think Owanis is better like that. I was gonna
Speaker 1: say a good job on that one, because I would
Speaker 1: have been lost. I'd have called it owns the whole
Speaker 1: fucking time.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Anyway, but it says it's the evolution of the fish god,
Speaker 3: and so it's pretty interesting. And so you'll see right here,
Speaker 3: if you're on patroon a rockfin that the Persian priest
Speaker 3: awanest and you'll see that raid here that you'll have
Speaker 3: the priest on either side of this person laying on
Speaker 3: this table, and Egyptian style headdresses. Here we go.
Speaker 2: So this is Persia. So this is in the Zoroastrian religion.
Speaker 3: I believe so?
Speaker 2: Or is this okay? Awesome?
Speaker 3: Says The story of Iwanas was first documented by the
Speaker 3: Babylonian priest Barassis, who wrote three books on the history
Speaker 3: and culture of Babylonia. His text served as as an
Speaker 3: important source for later Greek historians, and thus his works
Speaker 3: survive only in fragments. Of the many things Barasis provided
Speaker 3: was his text on the fish god Alanis, who who
Speaker 3: is said to have resided in the Persian Gulf. Awanis
Speaker 3: was described to have the head of a fish and
Speaker 3: the legs of a man, although in later times his
Speaker 3: description might have shifted of that of the murhman and
Speaker 3: mermaids we know today a human human's torso and a
Speaker 3: fish's tail. However, if you look closely at the detail
Speaker 3: on his head, you might notice that it is in
Speaker 3: a sense a fish head. Had he rose from the
Speaker 3: sea every morning and taught mankind writing, art, science, and
Speaker 3: then proceeded to go back into the oceans at night.
Speaker 3: Ancient gods, no matter how ridiculous and unusual they may
Speaker 3: seem to us, do not die out with the kingdom
Speaker 3: that they belonged to. Links between ancient religious deities are
Speaker 3: always present. For instance, Varuna, the water god of Vadism
Speaker 3: and in Hindu mythology, is almost identical to Iwanas many times.
Speaker 3: Awanas was also depicted when wearing an Egyptian style headdress
Speaker 3: in the form of a fish rather than being half
Speaker 3: human half fish. So this is Verana that you'll see
Speaker 3: in Hindu uhuh, pretty interesting.
Speaker 2: Okay.
Speaker 1: So basically a mermaid deity would come up from the
Speaker 1: water and teach people things and then return and then
Speaker 1: just do that for a while to like share that
Speaker 1: information and that knowledge and okay, very interesting.
Speaker 2: When the Vetix had their own version of this, Okay.
Speaker 3: Well, it gets even interesting er if you will. It
Speaker 3: says the story of Awanis may even be where the
Speaker 3: story of John the Baptist originated from. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that that's what it is. They're just speculating here, but
Speaker 3: it says John the Baptist is mentioned in many Western
Speaker 3: religious texts and is most widely known for his practice
Speaker 3: of baptism to wash away all sins. Most visual depictions
Speaker 3: of of John the Baptist show him near a body
Speaker 3: of water. Thus there can only be a conclusion that
Speaker 3: there is a clear connection between the ancient babbel Onney
Speaker 3: and God of water and knowledge and John the Baptist.
Speaker 3: So I know that that might seem like a reach whatever,
Speaker 3: But if you're if you're getting this fish God coming
Speaker 3: out and teaching you wisdom and teaching you all these
Speaker 3: different things, and then he goes back into the ocean.
Speaker 3: I it's a it's a loose string to draw. I
Speaker 3: get that, but it's just a fun little people.
Speaker 1: Do this and I understand, right, But at the same time,
Speaker 1: there's a difference between a historily historically backed person who
Speaker 1: walked the earth like John the Baptist was a real dude.
Speaker 1: He was imprisoned, that's documented. He was beheaded by a
Speaker 1: king because his daughter asked for it on her birthday.
Speaker 1: All of that's documented. Like, he's not a mythical creature,
Speaker 1: but it's saying with Jesus though, it's like you Shoe
Speaker 1: of Nazareth, documented person. But then there's still people that
Speaker 1: are like, yeah, but he's not like real and it's
Speaker 1: like no, no, like Shroud of Tour end the documents
Speaker 1: from Conscious Pilot.
Speaker 2: He's a real dude.
Speaker 1: But I you know, to certain people who just don't
Speaker 1: want to believe certain things, I understand why they would
Speaker 1: say that everything is mythalized, So okay, well.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and and some people it's all it's all depending
Speaker 3: on how you're looking at the story. If you believe
Speaker 3: that this is all just myth, it's all just a
Speaker 3: story that's to be told, rather than these people actually existing,
Speaker 3: then you can see it from a different angle.
Speaker 2: But people get lost between what's myth and what's fact.
Speaker 3: And to be honest, I don't really care if if
Speaker 3: certain people existed or not, because it's the story that
Speaker 3: lives on. I think that the meaning that you can
Speaker 3: get from the story is far more important than if
Speaker 3: somebody lived or didn't. So anyway, I mean, do.
Speaker 1: We we disagree on that, But that's that's we've had
Speaker 1: that talk before, right.
Speaker 3: I Mean, you like it for its historical context. I
Speaker 3: take it for its actual meaning.
Speaker 1: I take it for its truth, like it being a
Speaker 1: thing that actually happened and makes it true. That that
Speaker 1: resonates with me in a different way. Rather than the
Speaker 1: moral of the story, although that does resonate with me
Speaker 1: in a.
Speaker 2: Very different but also same way. There's it's different.
Speaker 1: It's like I could read a book about to Kill
Speaker 1: a Mockingbird, about that court case that took place right
Speaker 1: and like the racial injustice and all that, But that's
Speaker 1: just a story and a book. Or I can look
Speaker 1: at a real case that took place factually with real
Speaker 1: people of basically the same thing and learn the moral
Speaker 1: of the story that way as well. One's fake, one's real.
Speaker 1: Both can teach the moral, except one has, you know,
Speaker 1: truth behind it.
Speaker 3: That's all I get that. I'm in a different strokes for
Speaker 3: different folks. But it says that Alana's is not only
Speaker 3: depicted in religious paintings as the reincarnated John the Baptist.
Speaker 3: I didn't want to really go into the reincarnation. That's
Speaker 3: not where I'm trying to take this whole this whole
Speaker 3: show too, gotcha. But they they think that it's a
Speaker 3: reincarnation of John the Baptist. Do with that as you will.
Speaker 3: But it says there are also modern accounts of Ilanas's
Speaker 3: depiction in art and literature, recognized primarily for his literary
Speaker 3: masterpiece called Madame Bovari. Gustave Flobert worked thirty years on
Speaker 3: a lengthy retelling of the Temptation of Saint Anthony and
Speaker 3: the book. Flobert's research of ancient creatures and gods are
Speaker 3: quite apparent. Awanis was one of the creatures mentioned. So
Speaker 3: it says, respect me, I am the contemporary of beings.
Speaker 3: I dwelt in the formless world where hermaphroditic creatures slumbered
Speaker 3: under the weight of an opaque atmosphere, in the depths
Speaker 3: of dark waters, when fingers, fins, and wings were blended,
Speaker 3: and eyes without heads were floating like mollusks among human
Speaker 3: faced bulls and dog footed serpents. So it's more of
Speaker 3: an artistic kind of view on it. But you know, anyway,
Speaker 3: it gets into all of the idea behind Awanas. But
Speaker 3: the point here, what I was trying to say is
Speaker 3: that this fish god has been represented in multiple different
Speaker 3: cultures throughout the world, throughout history, no doubt.
Speaker 2: Look so that book, I just looked at it.
Speaker 1: It was written in eighteen fifty seven, and yes it
Speaker 1: may not have been it was a novel and it
Speaker 1: was done as such. But take it in the same
Speaker 1: way that you would read the divine comedy, right, Dante
Speaker 1: Aligary's journey through Hell and into Heaven and all that
Speaker 1: that wasn't canon right. However, he made a lot of
Speaker 1: references to different pagan deities that he met along the way,
Speaker 1: and it was for the principle of the story. So
Speaker 1: the fact that Dagon got a call out, as in
Speaker 1: the middle eighteen fifty seven was getting a shout out,
Speaker 1: that's pretty incredible, all right. So who was Dagon the
Speaker 1: Philistine fish deity? This is by Christianity dot com. Oh,
Speaker 1: it says we're going this. I like how you're reading
Speaker 1: both sides of the story on this one.
Speaker 2: Dude.
Speaker 3: I got to. I got to because otherwise I'm just
Speaker 3: deemed wu woo if I don't include Christianity. So anyway,
Speaker 3: I gotta bring it all in. But it says the
Speaker 3: name Dagon seems one R short of forming the mythical
Speaker 3: creature of dragon. But don't let that lack of the
Speaker 3: letter R fool you. This fish god from Assyria worshiped
Speaker 3: also by the Philistines and the Babylonians read Havoc throughout
Speaker 3: the biblical narrative of even the Israelites themselves fell prey
Speaker 3: to the worship of this Mermanish idol. In this article
Speaker 3: we'll dive into the meaning in the history of this God,
Speaker 3: especially in the biblical text. Then we'll discuss the downfall
Speaker 3: of Dagon and how this idol literally ends up falling
Speaker 3: prostrate prostrate, Yeah, prostrate in worship of the One True God.
Speaker 3: All right, So this is kind of getting back to
Speaker 3: the biblical story of Dagon.
Speaker 1: What it means in the falling prostrate means basically falling
Speaker 1: on your face in word, to think of how the
Speaker 1: Muslims do their call to prayer and they like they
Speaker 1: fall prostrate while they pray, so to speak, uh, falling
Speaker 1: to your knees in worship or in face of a
Speaker 1: king of some type or something. That that's what that means.
Speaker 1: So basically saying giving over total submission in the face
Speaker 1: of the Biblical God.
Speaker 3: All right. Well, right here you're about to find out
Speaker 3: who Dagon was in uh traditional family heritage, if you will.
Speaker 3: But it says the name Dagon derived from the word dag,
Speaker 3: which means fish. As we can see, the Assyrians decided
Speaker 3: to take the quite literal route of calling it as
Speaker 3: they saw it. Most depictions we have of this god
Speaker 3: include a colorful bottom half of a fish and a
Speaker 3: top half of a man. Yes, it would seem that
Speaker 3: they worshiped a merman, but don't let the silly imagery
Speaker 3: fool you. This idol caused many nations, including Israel, to
Speaker 3: turn away from the lord. According to the mythology of Dagon,
Speaker 3: Dagon was the father of Ball.
Speaker 1: Oh really, oh, yes, sir, oh, the plot thickens, my boy,
Speaker 1: it do.
Speaker 3: Many of us will recognize the name Ball or Bail,
Speaker 3: depending on how you say it, from either Sunday school
Speaker 3: classes or a simple perusal through the Old Testament. Other
Speaker 3: nations worship Ball and caused Israel to stumble by having
Speaker 3: the nation incorporate the practices into their daily lives. Many
Speaker 3: polytheistic nations have different purposes for each god. Dagon took
Speaker 3: charge of crop fertility. Degan can also mean grain. We
Speaker 3: know that Philistia bordered the Mediterranean, as did the Babylonian
Speaker 3: and Assyrian empires, so it would make sense as to
Speaker 3: why they would craft their god after a fish, as
Speaker 3: fishing remained an important part of their lifestyle. So then
Speaker 3: it gets into all of the different biblical quotes here,
Speaker 3: and actually we can get into a couple of these,
Speaker 3: because we we just read the Samuel one. But this
Speaker 3: one gets into Judges and Chronicles. It says we see
Speaker 3: Dagon appear in three separate occasions in the Bible, so
Speaker 3: the first one being Judges sixteen twenty three. It says,
Speaker 3: now the rulers of the Philistines assembled to offer a
Speaker 3: great sacrifice to Dagon, their god, and to celebrate, saying,
Speaker 3: our God has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands.
Speaker 1: This is during the story of Samson, absolutely whenever he
Speaker 1: broke his val and got in bed with a Philistine
Speaker 1: woman and she pretty much in the middle of the night,
Speaker 1: cut his hair, drew, drained his strength, and they were
Speaker 1: able to you know, capture him, tortu him.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it says the Philistines managed to capture the
Speaker 3: strong judge Samson and turn him into a prisoner. To celebrate, uh,
Speaker 3: they issue a sacrifice to their god Dagon, perhaps because
Speaker 3: Samson had previously lit some of their crop fields on fire,
Speaker 3: part of dagon supposed jurisdiction.
Speaker 1: So Samson, Sampson's pretty crazy. He he apparently just was
Speaker 1: like just shit on a shingle. Dude, Your boy just
Speaker 1: could not be touched in battle. He killed like one
Speaker 1: hundred dudes with the jawbone of a donkey. Damn Like,
Speaker 1: he didn't have a weapon on him, and they tried
Speaker 1: surrounding him. The closest thing he could find there was
Speaker 1: a dead donkey that had died on the side of
Speaker 1: the road. He ripped the jawbone off of it and
Speaker 1: went to fucking work so like they couldn't They couldn't
Speaker 1: go at him, except he made a deal with God
Speaker 1: that he would be basically impervious in battle as long
Speaker 1: as he never cut his hair, never drank wine, and
Speaker 1: always honored the Lord.
Speaker 2: This is called the Samsonite vow.
Speaker 1: He broke all three of the well Delilah, his woman Philistine,
Speaker 1: got him drunk, cut his hair. This broke all vows
Speaker 1: between him and God, and he was weakened and they
Speaker 1: were able to capture him.
Speaker 2: They took a big, a.
Speaker 1: Big celebration, had a big feast, and this whenever he
Speaker 1: was chained up on the pillars, and whenever he pulled
Speaker 1: the pillars down with one great feet of strength and
Speaker 1: brought the whole temple down on top of them.
Speaker 2: It's a very famous last stand.
Speaker 3: If you will swamy Swanny Sammy Samsonite. You remember that
Speaker 3: from Dumb and Dumber. But anyways, I knew it started
Speaker 3: with an s though he said. But anyway, first Chronicles
Speaker 3: ten ten, it says they put his armor in the
Speaker 3: temple of their gods and hung up his head in
Speaker 3: the temple of Dagon. King Saul dies in battle. When
Speaker 3: the Philistines find him, they strip him of his armor,
Speaker 3: a practice of war in ancient times, and put his
Speaker 3: head in the temple of Dagon. By doing this, they
Speaker 3: attempted to show their god had won over the king
Speaker 3: of Israel. We don't really know how much part how
Speaker 3: much of a part that Dagon plays in the mythology
Speaker 3: when it comes to war, but sometimes god gods have
Speaker 3: overlapping duties in ancient mythos. Also, although not mentioned, Dagon
Speaker 3: would have played a big role in the story of Jonah.
Speaker 3: The Ninovites Assyrians. They would have worshiped Dagon. God didn't
Speaker 3: transport the prophet inside a large fish by accident.
Speaker 2: We talked about.
Speaker 1: That very recently as a matter of fact, because when
Speaker 1: he was going, if you look at where he was
Speaker 1: going to preach, their main deity was a fish god.
Speaker 1: So if some prophet came on a road on a donkey.
Speaker 1: No one would have cared. That wouldn't have That wouldn't
Speaker 1: have drawn a crowd. Your boy getting spat up on
Speaker 1: the beach by a whale in that ocean, you know
Speaker 1: you've got people's attention.
Speaker 3: Yeah, It says they would have paid better attention to
Speaker 3: Jonah knowing that he had traveled in a large piscean vessel. Okay,
Speaker 3: so two fish.
Speaker 2: Saul going into the temple of Dagon.
Speaker 1: Yes, that's very I could see that being like an
Speaker 1: offering to their god, saying, look, we conquered these people,
Speaker 1: here is their king, and like all of that.
Speaker 2: That makes sense.
Speaker 1: But again it is a reference that Dagon was a
Speaker 1: deity worship during this time.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, So how did they worship Dagon in the
Speaker 3: first place? Anyway? Just out of curiosity, It says we
Speaker 3: don't really know much about Dagon worship because we don't
Speaker 3: have much documentation of it. However, we can analyze ball
Speaker 3: and Asherah worship, both deities within Dagon's pantheon to get
Speaker 3: some hints. As mentioned in the text, it seems they
Speaker 3: incorporated animal sacrifice into their worship of Dagon. We also
Speaker 3: know from a text that they'll explore in a moment
Speaker 3: that they crafted Dagon out of stone. Many cultures would
Speaker 3: often bathe and clothe their deities, but such practices predominantly
Speaker 3: started in ancient Egypt. We don't have a clue if
Speaker 3: they did the same with the Semitic gods. We know
Speaker 3: the prophets of Bail would cut themselves and rave to
Speaker 3: their god to speak with them. Perhaps Degon worshiped involved uh.
Speaker 3: Dagon worship involved some bloodshed as well. We can we
Speaker 3: can assume since Dagon had jurisdiction over the crops, that
Speaker 3: those who worshiped this deity gave crop offerings as well.
Speaker 3: But again, most of this falls under speculation due to
Speaker 3: the lack of historical detailing.
Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough.
Speaker 3: So getting back to that that verse in Samuel, they
Speaker 3: kind of have a better understanding of it here, kind
Speaker 3: of wanted to read that it says Degon literally bowls
Speaker 3: before yahweh. So this was whenever you know, he fell,
Speaker 3: you know in in the Uh and the ark.
Speaker 2: Was brought into the temple and the statue fell.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, So he literally took a bow by falling,
Speaker 3: and that's like the symbolism behind that. I guess, but
Speaker 3: it says, in fact, the second time it happens, his
Speaker 3: head and hands get cut off, an ancient way of
Speaker 3: removing or cutting off the life force of the supposed
Speaker 3: deity housed inside the idol. The Philistines thought that they
Speaker 3: had won, but our god Odd claims the ultimate victory.
Speaker 3: We don't have any clues as to what happened next
Speaker 3: with Dagon. We can assume as the Babylonians fell to
Speaker 3: Persia that dagon warship didn't continue, or if it did,
Speaker 3: it would be under the guise of a Persian god
Speaker 3: such as Owanness.
Speaker 2: Interesting, there you go.
Speaker 3: So he continues to live on.
Speaker 1: They just adopt him into another fold, and then the
Speaker 1: culture spread and it's like, oh, yeah, that's what you
Speaker 1: call him.
Speaker 2: Oh we got one of those two. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 2: same guy, same total.
Speaker 3: Dude, right right. So I thought that it was pretty
Speaker 3: interesting to kind of mention both Dagon and Owana's at
Speaker 3: the same time. But this is another website, pretty interesting one.
Speaker 3: It's called if I Walked with Jesus dot Com. It
Speaker 3: says walking through Scripture and they actually give a pretty
Speaker 3: cool interpretation of this whole thing, and they go into
Speaker 3: a little bit more detail, So I figured we'll go
Speaker 3: into that a little bit. But so this is getting
Speaker 3: back to the whole story of whenever they stole the
Speaker 3: Ark of the Covenant. Nice, all right, all right, So
Speaker 3: over to this article it gets into It says the
Speaker 3: Philistines have captured the Ark of the Lord. They brought
Speaker 3: it as their trophy into the temple of Dagon, their god,
Speaker 3: Dagon couldn't stand in the presence of the ark. It says,
Speaker 3: there is oh, anyway, that's kind of the precursor, let's
Speaker 3: get over it. It says the Philistine army is returning
Speaker 3: from their battle against Israel. The victory crist can be
Speaker 3: heard ringing out as they approach their home of Ashdod.
Speaker 3: No need to wait for a report, as everyone can
Speaker 3: easily guess the outcome from the sounds coming from this group.
Speaker 3: But there is a major surprise in store when the
Speaker 3: army actually arrives. The priests of Dagon and the king
Speaker 3: of the city come out to welcome the victorious troops.
Speaker 3: As they watch the approaching army, they notice they are
Speaker 3: carrying a large item. It is being borne on the
Speaker 3: shoulders of four men and covered with some kind of
Speaker 3: blue cloth. The welcoming party waits while the captain of
Speaker 3: the guard comes to present himself. Who or how went
Speaker 3: the battle? What have you to report, my lord? We
Speaker 3: have defeated the Israelite dogs. We have also captured their god.
Speaker 3: The captain motions the men forward, who are holding the
Speaker 3: large item covered in the blue cloth. As the ark
Speaker 3: is brought forward, the priest is wringing his hands and
Speaker 3: salivating with anticipation. The king holds himself aloof on the outside,
Speaker 3: but inside the is on par with the priest. The
Speaker 3: ark rest suspended by the carrying poles on the shoulders
Speaker 3: of four men. Remove that cloth, commands the king. Wait,
Speaker 3: my lord, a god, even the enemy god, should not
Speaker 3: be laid naked before the masses. Let it be brought
Speaker 3: into the temple of Dagon and laid bear there. Dagon
Speaker 3: can tower over this Israelite god and prove his superiority.
Speaker 3: The King is at first angry with the priest for
Speaker 3: interrupting and countermanding his orders, but his counsel is sound. Yes,
Speaker 3: bring it into the temple of Dagon. Dagon can gaze
Speaker 3: down on this defeated god. The ark of the Lord
Speaker 3: is brought to the temple to the door of the temple.
Speaker 3: The soldier's weight is the priest.
Speaker 1: Real quick, can we just mention the fact that they
Speaker 1: had respect for all gods at least in that way,
Speaker 1: even the god of their enemy. They were like, look, look, look, look, look, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're dogs and all of that, but like this is
Speaker 1: still a god. We shouldn't we shouldn't expose it out
Speaker 1: here to the commoners. Like, let's let's have a bit
Speaker 1: of respect, a little bit of decorum, you know what
Speaker 1: I mean. And two fold, the god of Dagon can
Speaker 1: overpower him eye to eye, like you know what I'm saying, Like,
Speaker 1: there's a better way here, Like at least let's give
Speaker 1: the shout out. Let's give the props to the Pagans
Speaker 1: that whenever they get introduced to a new god, they
Speaker 1: don't immediately go on the defense. They're immediately more of
Speaker 1: the Hey, well let's talk about that god.
Speaker 3: You know, Yeah, that's it's respectable. It's a respectable notion,
Speaker 3: for sure.
Speaker 2: No doubt, no doubt, says the argu.
Speaker 3: The lord is brought to the door of the temple.
Speaker 3: The soldiers wait as the priest speaks with Dagon, Great Dagon,
Speaker 3: we have an offering for you. By your hand, we
Speaker 3: have captured the God of the Israelites. We present it
Speaker 3: to you as a gift for your favor on us.
Speaker 3: After speaking these words, the priest motions for four temple
Speaker 3: attendants to take the arc from the soldiers. They bring
Speaker 3: it into the temple and sit it on the left
Speaker 3: of a huge statue of Dagon. The under priest is
Speaker 3: summoned for the next task. Remove the covering, and let's
Speaker 3: have a look at the God of Israel. The under
Speaker 3: priest reaches out and takes hold of the cloth. His
Speaker 3: hands begin to burn as they as they had, just
Speaker 3: as if that they had just been plunged into fire.
Speaker 3: Screaming in pain, he releases the cloth and falls back.
Speaker 3: He retreats to the corner of the room. Confusion and
Speaker 3: anger mar the face of the high priest, and he
Speaker 3: bellows for another to remove the cloth. The second attempt
Speaker 3: meets with no better results. The high Priest, after seeing
Speaker 3: the scorched hands of the two under priests, decides to
Speaker 3: leave the cloth in place for now. He will deal
Speaker 3: with it tomorrow, as it is already late in the day.
Speaker 3: Leave all of you. We will deal with this one
Speaker 3: on themorrow. It says, They're like, fuck this, f this tonight.
Speaker 3: We're gonna deal with this shit tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Let's sleep on this. Apparently it's some little extra. Let's
Speaker 1: worry about this tomorrow.
Speaker 3: All night long, the high priest think of ways of
Speaker 3: removing the covering of Israel's God. He wants their god
Speaker 3: humbled before his own, and letting it remain hidden seems
Speaker 3: wrong to him. He gets little sleep as he moves
Speaker 3: from one plan to the next, trying to find a solution.
Speaker 3: When morning comes, he is anxious, anxious to try some
Speaker 3: of the different solutions that he came up with. He
Speaker 3: dresses as quickly as possible and heads to the temple
Speaker 3: of Dagon. The door of the temple moves easily as
Speaker 3: he pushes upon it to gain entrance. In his hands,
Speaker 3: he holds the torch to light the lamps and jars
Speaker 3: of incense. As soon as he crosses the threshold, he
Speaker 3: feels that there is something different. He quickly applies the
Speaker 3: torch to the lamps and places his torch in its holder.
Speaker 3: His eyes are drawn immediately to a large object lying
Speaker 3: on the floor. It is Dagon. He is lying face
Speaker 3: down beside the still covered god of the Israelites. A
Speaker 3: cry of anguish is rent from his lips. At the sight,
Speaker 3: several other priests come rushing to the sound of the
Speaker 3: High priest cry they are too dumb struck at the
Speaker 3: scene before them. Immediately they begin throwing out possibilities for
Speaker 3: such a scene. Was there an earthquake, did rodents get
Speaker 3: in and weaken the foundation? Maybe thieves broke in during
Speaker 3: the night. None of the explanations seemed to fit well,
Speaker 3: and the only thing that they could agree on was
Speaker 3: getting Dagon up off the ground. After careful inspection of
Speaker 3: the base on which Dagon sat and the god itself,
Speaker 3: they gathered the equipment necessary to raise Dagon. It took
Speaker 3: almost the day to carefully maneuver him back into position.
Speaker 3: This is a big ass statue, they said. By the
Speaker 3: time that they were done, there was very little time
Speaker 3: to try some of the priest's ideas of uncovering Israel's god.
Speaker 3: It would hold for another night. Sleep again proved elusive.
Speaker 3: As the High Priest tried to rationalize what had walked
Speaker 3: into what he had walked into that morning, he came
Speaker 3: up with no firm answers, but it resolved to remove
Speaker 3: the covering This day. As he rose once again, he
Speaker 3: rushes through his morning preparations. He doesn't even make it
Speaker 3: into the temple this time before he is confronted by
Speaker 3: another catastrophe. On the threshold lie the dag, the Dagon's
Speaker 3: head and hands. Another scream rips from his lungs at
Speaker 3: the sight, and brings the under priest scurrying to his aid.
Speaker 3: How could you let this happen? Was no one on
Speaker 3: guard last night? I stood guard last night, my priest,
Speaker 3: none passed by. I allowed no one to enter the temple.
Speaker 3: Then you are a fool for someone who did enter
Speaker 3: the temple, someone desecrated Dagon. I will have your heart
Speaker 3: as an offering for forgiveness.
Speaker 2: I can.
Speaker 3: I can just picture this conversation going down.
Speaker 1: Oh bro, one hundred percent, one hundred percent, because this
Speaker 1: is within the ancient rituals of like the temple, with
Speaker 1: all their rituals in ways they do things, they're incantations
Speaker 1: like things have to be done a certain way, and
Speaker 1: they are I bet truly speaking to each other in
Speaker 1: this manner.
Speaker 3: The priest carefully steps over the dismembered pieces of Dagon
Speaker 3: on the threshold, define that he has been completely disassembled.
Speaker 3: His torso lies at the foot of the Israelites God
Speaker 3: as if in supplication. The High Priest is outraged of
Speaker 3: this scene. He rushes over and removes tongs from from
Speaker 3: Dagon's altar. He is determined to lay bare the God
Speaker 3: of Israel, and right is wrong, Ah, right this wrong
Speaker 3: done to his God. With tongs in hand, he moves
Speaker 3: toward the ark. So intent is his focus on the
Speaker 3: object of his anger that he doesn't even notice the
Speaker 3: uneven tile on the floor. His sandal catches and he
Speaker 3: is flung to the floor. During this fall, the tongs
Speaker 3: twist in his hand and he lands on them. They
Speaker 3: are embedded into his chest. When he finally comes to
Speaker 3: rest beside the torso of his God, joining him in
Speaker 3: supplication to the God of Israel. The under priests are
Speaker 3: frozen in place as this scene unfolds. As blood pours
Speaker 3: from the High Priest's chest, the spell is broken and
Speaker 3: under priests rush from the room. It is three hours
Speaker 3: before any of them are calm enough to begin the
Speaker 3: process of repairing the damage in the temple. They remove
Speaker 3: the High Priest's body, collect the pieces of Dagon, and
Speaker 3: have the pieces brought to the craftsmen for reworking. It
Speaker 3: will be some time before Dagon is ready to take
Speaker 3: his place again in the temple. It doesn't seem right
Speaker 3: that the god of Israe is left to stand in
Speaker 3: the in Dagon's temple in his absence, But none dare
Speaker 3: touch it for fear of death. The morning after the
Speaker 3: morning after the death of the high Priest, several of
Speaker 3: the under priests notice growths on their arms. They are nobbing,
Speaker 3: or they are nobby looking and painful. The most senior
Speaker 3: remaining priest assumes the role of high priest. He is
Speaker 3: called to the king, who is also experiencing a growth
Speaker 3: on his leg. What is this? Relieve me of this pain,
Speaker 3: heil me, demands the king. I have seen this on
Speaker 3: several of the under priests. I will lay lance it,
Speaker 3: or I will lance it and pray to Dagon for
Speaker 3: it to heal you. Whatever, just make it stop. The
Speaker 3: new priest spends. The new priest spends all day lancing
Speaker 3: the gross and praying to Dagon. He prays at the
Speaker 3: altar of Dagon, even though his form is absent. The
Speaker 3: next morning, the number of people with these strange growths
Speaker 3: continues to grow. The size of the growths also increases.
Speaker 3: Lancing them did not alleviate the pain or poison causing them.
Speaker 3: They bulge from the skin, as if seeking to separate
Speaker 3: themselves from the body. After three days, the high priest
Speaker 3: prayers still go unanswered. He is beside himself. He is
Speaker 3: at the point of excising the growth from all who
Speaker 3: can tolerate the procedure. The removed portions are encapsulated tumors,
Speaker 3: and their occurrence is spread through the populace like wildfire.
Speaker 3: The desecration of Dagon and the appearance of the tumors
Speaker 3: are being linked back to the arrival of the Israel's God.
Speaker 3: With failure of the priests to stop the spread of tumors,
Speaker 3: the people began crying out for the removal of the Ark.
Speaker 3: The entire city, in all its territories, are in terror.
Speaker 3: The Ark of the God of Israel must not remain
Speaker 3: with us, for his hand is hard against us and
Speaker 3: against Dagon are God. It takes two weeks before the
Speaker 3: people prevail in their desperate attempt to separate themselves from
Speaker 3: Israel's God. The Ark of the Lord is sent to
Speaker 3: goth This was the decision of all the lords of
Speaker 3: the Philistines. The King of Goth is a Goth or
Speaker 3: Gath Gith Gath Gath, the king of Gath, laughs at
Speaker 3: the people of Ashdod as they cower at the sight
Speaker 3: of the large blue object being carried by his soldiers.
Speaker 3: Ashdod is a superstitious people. He thinks he is not
Speaker 3: a fool, though, so he decides to leave the covering
Speaker 3: in place. Israel's God is brought into the city in
Speaker 3: place in the temple. Within a day of its entrance
Speaker 3: through the gates, tumors begin to appear on the people.
Speaker 3: It is spread. It's spread is so pervasive that no
Speaker 3: one is exempt, young, old, rich, poor, All are affected.
Speaker 3: The ark of God, of the God of Israel, cannot
Speaker 3: stay here. Please send it away. The people of Goth
Speaker 3: cried it had. It had been with them for a
Speaker 3: short time, but it was long enough to convince them
Speaker 3: that Israel's God was dangerous. He didn't need weapons of
Speaker 3: warfare to defeat them. His presence alone was enough to
Speaker 3: strike terror in the most callous heart of Gath. The
Speaker 3: Philistine leaders met again and decided that Ikron is it
Speaker 3: Ekron Akron, that Akron would be rest would be the
Speaker 3: resting for Israel's God. Soldiers once again take up Israel's
Speaker 3: god and move it onto another home. As soon as
Speaker 3: the people of Ekron see the large blue structure coming
Speaker 3: their way, they go into a panic. They have heard
Speaker 3: the stories from Ashdod and Goth. They want no part
Speaker 3: of this in their city. They have brought around us
Speaker 3: the arc of the God of Israel to kill us
Speaker 3: and our people. So that's how it was being seen
Speaker 3: because it had happened already in two different cities.
Speaker 2: Yep, I'm telling you, dude, this people gotta learn. I
Speaker 2: guess the hard way. Sadly.
Speaker 1: Look, it took the Pharaoh, like how many things before
Speaker 1: he finally let the people go? How many plagues and shit,
Speaker 1: his own firstborn son had to die before he'd finally
Speaker 1: let it happen, had to see the Red Sea parted
Speaker 1: and shit. Look, some people they need real physical proof
Speaker 1: and then get all upset when God provides a certain
Speaker 1: physical proof.
Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, right, right, So I kind
Speaker 3: of just wanted that was like a more detailed kind
Speaker 3: of story, And it may have been just rendering imagination
Speaker 3: to how the story went, But I think that it's
Speaker 3: not necessarily taken out of context.
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean again, I'm not like an
Speaker 1: expert on this one. I would have to dig deeper,
Speaker 1: but I will be Oh, I will be digging deeper
Speaker 1: on that one.
Speaker 2: But I would love to know what the.
Speaker 1: Source is for that stuff, like the historical actual sources.
Speaker 1: They would have had record of that, all of the
Speaker 1: kings and all of the lords unanimously agreeing to move
Speaker 1: something specific from point A to point B and making
Speaker 1: a whole procession of it because it was the God
Speaker 1: of the Israelites. Like, There's gonna be more on that one,
Speaker 1: and I'm kind of shocked that I've never heard of
Speaker 1: that before.
Speaker 3: Yeah, dude, there's a bunch of like little cool stories
Speaker 3: that you can find in the Bible like this. But
Speaker 3: the reason why we bring it up is to just
Speaker 3: show how, you know, the Catholic Church is not necessarily
Speaker 3: team Bible. I'm just gonna throw that out there. But anyway,
Speaker 3: so getting back, I just kind of wanted to lay
Speaker 3: the whole story out of Dagon, and you know, Dagon
Speaker 3: fell in the presence of God, which was the Ark
Speaker 3: of the Covenant, and every single time that the Ark
Speaker 3: of the Covenant went to a certain city that wasn't
Speaker 3: worshiping the god of the Israelites. They all got tumors
Speaker 3: and basically.
Speaker 2: Died, no doubt, no doubt, that's a very fair comparison.
Speaker 3: So then Dagon who I mean fell and the statue
Speaker 3: broke a couple of times, the head fell off, the
Speaker 3: hands were falling off, and shit, which is very representative.
Speaker 3: I mean, even the guy that went to go take
Speaker 3: the tongs to take the blanket off tripped on a
Speaker 3: tile and it fucking stabbed into death. Like this is
Speaker 3: nothing but like bad luck every time you're around this
Speaker 3: kind of this, this this thing, right, if you were
Speaker 3: against it.
Speaker 1: Keep in mind, even there's a record of Israelites dying
Speaker 1: because they touched it, their own priests would die if
Speaker 1: they were in the presence of it and weren't correct
Speaker 1: in what they were doing. Like understand, this wasn't like
Speaker 1: it was just against the bad guys. Basically, if you
Speaker 1: did and do what you're supposed to be doing in
Speaker 1: the presence of physical gods on earth, like this is
Speaker 1: Yahweh's literal signature on Earth, and you're gonna be acting
Speaker 1: some type of way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, man, this was just dangerous, yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, right, So we I have like a couple of
Speaker 3: other articles that I really want to get to. But
Speaker 3: this is a pretty cool website. It's called Romancatholic Beliefs
Speaker 3: dot Org. Okay, so now we're gonna take it from
Speaker 3: their perspective.
Speaker 1: I would say, is this pro Roman Catholic or anti
Speaker 1: Roman Catholic? Because the name could be very you know,
Speaker 1: leading one way or another.
Speaker 3: I would venture to say that it's anti Roman Catholic.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's fair, that's fair. But they will probably have
Speaker 1: their sources cited.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, so, but it says, who is the Roman
Speaker 3: Catholic Church really worshiping? Mmmm, let's get to the let's
Speaker 3: get to the bottom of that question. It says, And
Speaker 3: now this is all big ass website with a lot
Speaker 3: of information. We're not gonna read everything, but they are
Speaker 3: definitely citing their receipts for sure. It says this study
Speaker 3: will reveal the meaning of the symbols, statues, and attire
Speaker 3: used by the pope and the priests, as they reveal
Speaker 3: what the papal church is really worshiping. For thousands of years,
Speaker 3: pagan religions have used symbols to show which gods they worshiped.
Speaker 3: These symbols were declared openly in Egypt, Babylon, Rome and
Speaker 3: other cultures. These symbols are still used today, but their
Speaker 3: true meanings are hidden. Most people typically don't notice the
Speaker 3: symbol or they have a positive impression of it. The
Speaker 3: enlightened understand the meaning behind the symbols and they use
Speaker 3: them to communicate with others. Leaders of a Christian church
Speaker 3: should not have anything to do with the symbols of
Speaker 3: pagan gods. And then it cites a quote from the
Speaker 3: Bible from Tewod Corinthians, chapter six, verses fourteen and sixteen.
Speaker 3: It says, for what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And
Speaker 3: what communion has light with darkness? And what agreement has
Speaker 3: the Temple of God with idols? For you are the
Speaker 3: temple of the Living God. I get down with it,
Speaker 3: all right. So they kind of cite that one, but
Speaker 3: it says, if you're Catholic, ask yourself, are the leaders
Speaker 3: of the Roman Catholic Church are using all of these
Speaker 3: symbols of pagan gods? So the first one they bring up,
Speaker 3: it says the zuchidi the zucchetti sure which is worn
Speaker 3: by Catholic priests, cardinals and the pope represent respect, fear,
Speaker 3: and submission to Sybyl, the mother goddess of Rome.
Speaker 2: I thought that was the Yamica looking thing. It is.
Speaker 3: It is a Yamica looking thing, but the symbol on it, so,
Speaker 3: it says. The cap of Sybyl is one of the
Speaker 3: oldest and most sacred sacred pagan religious symbols of humanity,
Speaker 3: dating back to two thousand BC. The skull cap was
Speaker 3: worn by the Sun priest of Egypt. It is a thin,
Speaker 3: slightly rounded skull cap, now commonly known by various titles,
Speaker 3: including the Yarmulk and Koufi by the Jews and Muslims, respectively.
Speaker 2: It says.
Speaker 3: The Roman Catholic Church calls it the zuki or Zucchetti anyway. Anyway,
Speaker 3: Vatican Hill was the site of the largest ancient temple,
Speaker 3: the Sibyl Ashtaroth, the goddess of fertility, sexuality, and war,
Speaker 3: was known as Sibyl in Rome. So weird, weird The
Speaker 3: Bible warns against worshiping her, it says. It says, uh,
Speaker 3: then the children of Israel again did evil in the
Speaker 3: side of the Lord and serve the balls and Ashtaroths.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: So then it gets into the meter, which is the
Speaker 3: fish hat.
Speaker 1: It says.
Speaker 3: The it might it might be meter, miter, mitra, or
Speaker 3: however you say it. But I'm just gonna say meter
Speaker 3: because I'm American, and we do American shit, and we
Speaker 3: say American shit the wrong way. That's how we do
Speaker 3: it right here. But anyway, the meter hat is worn
Speaker 3: by Catholic priests, cardinals, and the pope, and it represents Dagon,
Speaker 3: the Babylonian fish god. The ancient Babylonians worship Dagon, the
Speaker 3: god of agriculture, of food and good for the Babylonian
Speaker 3: priest wore a headdress that represented the worship of Sybil
Speaker 3: and Dagon. It featured an open fish mouth on the head,
Speaker 3: with the rest of the body forming a cloak. And
Speaker 3: the Roman Empire is worn by the head priest of
Speaker 3: Sibyl or the Great Queen Mother Goddess. And we always
Speaker 3: talk about how the Roman Church is, Like, dude, they
Speaker 3: put Mary up there with Jesus, like they're basically one
Speaker 3: and one in the Catholic Church, right.
Speaker 2: Well, they believe that Mary is the Mother.
Speaker 3: Of God, yeah, the Holy Vessel.
Speaker 1: Well yes, But then this is where I differ from
Speaker 1: Catholics as far as my belief on what Mary is
Speaker 1: and who she is. I don't think she was just
Speaker 1: some chick like she wouldn't just some girl that only
Speaker 1: gave birth to Jesus.
Speaker 2: And that was it.
Speaker 1: Like no, No, she was incredibly important for a lot
Speaker 1: of reasons. But the Catholic faith basically teaches that this
Speaker 1: was the mother of Yahweh and the mother of Jesus
Speaker 1: because the two are inseparables. Therefore we have to look
Speaker 1: at her as some sort of like deity mother right
Speaker 1: well herself.
Speaker 2: And I respectfully disagree.
Speaker 3: But yeah, and I will actually say that within Wicca,
Speaker 3: in witchcraft and a lot of other religions as well,
Speaker 3: there's always a father God and a mother God like there.
Speaker 3: And so whenever you're seeing the Catholic Church is also
Speaker 3: incorporating this into their beliefs. I mean that it's it
Speaker 3: absolutely stems from paganism, you know. So maybe this is
Speaker 3: why they put so much respect on Mary's name, because
Speaker 3: they need that mother goddess.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but anyhow.
Speaker 3: It says today Catholic cardinals, bishops and the Pope all
Speaker 3: where the open fish mouth meter, which represents the worship
Speaker 3: of Sybil and Dagon, the meter hat of Dagon is
Speaker 3: a is always worn over the Kippa of Astroth slash
Speaker 3: Sybyl as you can see in the picture of Pope
Speaker 3: Francis the first, so you can see right there that
Speaker 3: it goes, it goes all the way down, just like
Speaker 3: the original, the og you know, symbolism of it, no doubt.
Speaker 3: It said God warned the Jews not to worship the
Speaker 3: gods of Babylon, and the quote from Jeremiah, Jeremiah, chapter one,
Speaker 3: verse sixteen, it says, I will pronounce my judgments on
Speaker 3: them concerning all their wickedness, whereby they have forsaken me
Speaker 3: and have offered sacrifices to other gods and worshiped the
Speaker 3: works on their own hands. So don't do that, because
Speaker 3: it's a jealous God, right right, right. Then it gets
Speaker 3: into the obelisks of Saint Peter's Square, represents the worship
Speaker 3: of the sun God. We're not necessarily going to get
Speaker 3: in that. And it talks about, you know how the
Speaker 3: during the sunrise on the vernal equinox, the sun causes
Speaker 3: the opolisk to cast its shadows towards the dome of
Speaker 3: Saint Peter's Basilica, which represents the sexual union of the
Speaker 3: Sun god and moon goddess. So even within like peg
Speaker 3: in worship and a bunch of other religious warship, you
Speaker 3: would always have the Father God and the Mother God,
Speaker 3: which usually whenever you're talking about astrology, would be representative
Speaker 3: of the Father God being the Sun, the Mother God
Speaker 3: being the moon. Yeah, so you see right there, Why
Speaker 3: are you incorporating this, You're a Christian book.
Speaker 1: So as far as where the Vaticans laid out, that
Speaker 1: obelisk and that church are on the grounds of what
Speaker 1: was once Nero's circus, and a lot of the games
Speaker 1: were done in honor of gods, right, So to have
Speaker 1: some sort of thing line up like that for pagan
Speaker 1: reasons I understand completely. But I find it very interesting
Speaker 1: that the Catholic Church built their home on top of
Speaker 1: Nero's circus, where Saint Peter was executed.
Speaker 3: Of all places, out of all places, right, yeah, Well,
Speaker 3: then it gets into the six sided star is the
Speaker 3: supreme symbol of Satanic tyranny, it says, So, so anyway,
Speaker 3: what does that mean? It says the hexagram has been
Speaker 3: used by people such as pagan Babbelonians, Egyptians, and Assyrians
Speaker 3: to directly or indirectly worship Satan through the church's eyes.
Speaker 3: Helena Blovatsky wrote that Lucifer is the true God, and
Speaker 3: she incorporated the hexagram in the emblem of the Theosophical Society,
Speaker 3: which was founded in eighteen seventy five. Satanists, Luciferians, astrologers
Speaker 3: in witches use it to invoke the power of demons.
Speaker 3: The six sided star numerically. Listen to this, The six
Speaker 3: sided star numerically equals six to six six, because if
Speaker 3: you look at it, it has six points six triangles
Speaker 3: and it is a six sided hexagon.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: We talked about that with the the Black Cube of
Speaker 1: Saturn episode, because when you look at it, the inner
Speaker 1: square of the Star of David is a hexagram. There
Speaker 1: is six points, there's six triangles, and if you even
Speaker 1: any way you look at it, it breaks down to
Speaker 1: that number for sure.
Speaker 3: Big facts. Also, you know, you get into the hole
Speaker 3: the Holy Cross, which whenever you box it up it
Speaker 3: turns into a cube, and that could be also seen
Speaker 3: as satan worship as well. But anyway, it says Christians
Speaker 3: pass it off as the Star of David, but the
Speaker 3: truth is that King David never used a star, so
Speaker 3: calling it a nice sounding name hides what it really represents.
Speaker 3: King Solomon used it in witchcraft, magic and idolatrous worship
Speaker 3: to Astrooth and Mulloch. Yeah, so calling it the star
Speaker 3: of David, you're full of shit.
Speaker 1: There's no reference anywhere ever, period ever, to say that
Speaker 1: King David had some sort of a star associated with him.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, the only time he could
Speaker 1: find stars associated with anything like that in the Old
Speaker 1: Testament is stars to Bail.
Speaker 3: Well, it actually even points it out in the Bible
Speaker 3: in Acts seven forty three, where it says, and you
Speaker 3: took up the tent of Moloch and the star of
Speaker 3: your god, rem fan the figures which you made in
Speaker 3: order to worship them.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: So there's the star being represented right there, right, So.
Speaker 1: To these deities, the moles, the bails, the rim fans,
Speaker 1: the quote unquote demon.
Speaker 3: Right right. So now I want to get over here
Speaker 3: where Oh shit, it's also mentioned in Revelation Dagon is
Speaker 3: Let's go. Revelation thirteen says that that Satan the dragon
Speaker 3: gives authority to the Antichrist Beast. So Dagon and Dragon,
Speaker 3: we're gonna see if they actually match up, and uh,
Speaker 3: let's I'm just gonna give it away. They do Okay,
Speaker 3: they do. We're gonna get to that. So whenever you
Speaker 3: see Dragon, just think Dagon for a second, and I
Speaker 3: promise you that it will match up.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: So the Bible calls Satan the great dragon who deceives
Speaker 3: the world, so the great and this is Revelation twelve nine.
Speaker 3: It says, so the great dragon was cast out the
Speaker 3: serpent of old, called the devil, and Satan, who deceives
Speaker 3: the whole world. He was cast to the earth, and
Speaker 3: his angels were cast out with him. So and then
Speaker 3: it gets into relation thirteen and it says, so they
Speaker 3: worshiped the dragon, who gave authority to the beast, and
Speaker 3: they worshiped the beast, saying, who is like the beast
Speaker 3: who is able to make war with him? All right, So,
Speaker 3: now you're starting to see that if Dagon and Dragon
Speaker 3: are the same thing, and you're starting to see that
Speaker 3: Dagon the fish at that the pope is ultimately wearing,
Speaker 3: and its representation and its connection to awanis and the
Speaker 3: historical context and the biblical context of Dagon. Now you're
Speaker 3: starting to look at the pope in a different manner,
Speaker 3: as if you needed another thing to look at him differently.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, absolutely right, bro.
Speaker 3: So that's that was just a fun little website I
Speaker 3: want to get into. But this one, this is a
Speaker 3: very interesting pages here as well. This is hub pages.
Speaker 3: I believe it's just like certain authors will write certain
Speaker 3: articles on it. But it's called it says Dagon worshiped
Speaker 3: the fish God in Christianity. Now, we already went over
Speaker 3: a good little chunk of what they're going to be
Speaker 3: talking about here, but I did want to get to
Speaker 3: a couple of things that nobody talks about. So all right,
Speaker 3: you know what we're gonna start right here. It says
Speaker 3: the Philistines were also a part of and considered the Canaanites,
Speaker 3: and they worship ball a start day and Dagon. Here
Speaker 3: once again, as in all sun worshiping cultures, we have
Speaker 3: a trinity. Dagon means fish God in Hebrew. See Strong's
Speaker 3: Concordance number seventeen twelve. So I like that they mentioned
Speaker 3: Strong's concordance. We like that, No doubt uh day gown
Speaker 3: or degone gown day gown. Yeah, it's spelled basically dug
Speaker 3: gown the fish God. We can still see the worship
Speaker 3: played out today. Just look at the Catholic Church, the
Speaker 3: pope and the and the bishop's meters. It is the
Speaker 3: same today as it was in Philistine or Philistine Today
Speaker 3: the name Dagon is replaced by the name itch this.
Speaker 3: Is that how you say that?
Speaker 2: Ikethy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a symbol, right, we've all seen that before,
Speaker 3: and I'll show you how we see it. So ikethys
Speaker 3: means fish in Greek. See the Strongs Concordance number twenty
Speaker 3: four eighty six. So the church will tell you that,
Speaker 3: would you say ichth this? Itch this?
Speaker 2: I think ick this?
Speaker 3: The Church will tell you that ick this is an
Speaker 3: acronym for Eos eolsos Christos theos eo uo soder some
Speaker 3: Greek shit probably translated to ingrid to English. This reads
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, god Son, Savior. But in truth it is
Speaker 3: the continuation of dagon worship, all right. So, and this
Speaker 3: is speculation. This is just people trying to break down symbols,
Speaker 3: So don't get your panties in a bunch. They do
Speaker 3: have receipts and you can see what they mean by this.
Speaker 1: No, no, I've I've just it's been a long time
Speaker 1: since I've heard that phrase ick this even being used.
Speaker 1: So I have no idea where this is going to
Speaker 1: be honest.
Speaker 3: So yeah, whenever you see the fish symbol representing Jesus,
Speaker 3: Yeah no, no, not so talking about fish cotts here.
Speaker 3: So let's see what Let's see how they break it down.
Speaker 3: It says, if you look at the monogram of Icknus
Speaker 3: written in Greek, is I X O U S the
Speaker 3: I X and s. So if you just look at
Speaker 3: the I, X and s the first, second and last letter,
Speaker 3: and superimpose them on top of each other, and you
Speaker 3: get the six six six symbol spoken of in revelation.
Speaker 3: And this is why we have all the fish symbols
Speaker 3: in Christianity. So let's see what they mean by that.
Speaker 3: It says the Bible states in revelation, that the beast
Speaker 3: shall rise out of the sea. Interesting, the beast comes
Speaker 3: from the sea right. And I stood the dragon, if
Speaker 3: you will, if you must, And it says, and I
Speaker 3: stood upon the sand of the sea, and I saw
Speaker 3: a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven
Speaker 3: heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns,
Speaker 3: and upon his heads the same the name of blasphemy
Speaker 3: it is also, or it is is this also the
Speaker 3: reason they call it the Holy c see as opposed
Speaker 3: to sea.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, there are a lot of fish swimming around this pond,
Speaker 3: and this is why we have maritime law, also called
Speaker 3: admiralty law. What it all boils down to is that
Speaker 3: this is all this is all revolved around sun worship.
Speaker 3: They say making the sun, which represents Satan as the creator,
Speaker 3: as a generative force. So where you see rate here
Speaker 3: the fish symbol ick this written in Greek, and then
Speaker 3: you can see that it gets into the six to
Speaker 3: six to six symbol, which I'm I've never seen that before,
Speaker 3: but supposedly this is the six to six to six
Speaker 3: symbol from John in Revelation.
Speaker 1: So I get I'm with you. I've never seen that
Speaker 1: particular sigil before. And I'm gonna be honest. The fish
Speaker 1: with the Greek letters on the inside, I've seen the
Speaker 1: fish before. I've never seen a fish with Greek letters
Speaker 1: on like a car decal. I've seen the fish with
Speaker 1: like the word love on the inside or something like that,
Speaker 1: I think, or Jesus. But to that point, everybody, if
Speaker 1: you ask them what fish comes from, they say it's
Speaker 1: a symbol of Jesus, you know, fisher of men. And
Speaker 1: he turned the two loaves and seven fish into a whole.
Speaker 2: Thing for the masses.
Speaker 1: And if you ask them where that actual symbol comes from, right,
Speaker 1: that actual iconic bumper sticker we've seen a million times.
Speaker 1: Most Christians will say that it comes from when they
Speaker 1: tried to stone Mary Magdalen, and they asked Jesus what
Speaker 1: he thought about it, and he went and squatted down
Speaker 1: and started, you know, doodling in the sand with his finger.
Speaker 1: He drew the fish. And that's just what people believe.
Speaker 1: That's not what happened when you read that story. Nothing
Speaker 1: about a fish ever came up with that whole story.
Speaker 1: He drew the sins of all of everybody in attendance
Speaker 1: on the ground, nothing about a fish. So then you
Speaker 1: think where, well, then where does this actual image come from?
Speaker 2: Yo, no Christian actually can answer that.
Speaker 3: Well, it shrouded in mystery, that's for sure. But as
Speaker 3: they said up here, the uh if you look at
Speaker 3: the monogram, the I and the X and the S.
Speaker 3: If you if you take the I, X, O, U, S,
Speaker 3: which which is the ichthys the Greek letters of of
Speaker 3: the of ikthus, which would be the ix and S,
Speaker 3: and you'll see it right here, here's the I the
Speaker 3: X and the S right. It's a weirdness, but you
Speaker 3: can see that this may have been. And now I
Speaker 3: don't I didn't read all of Revelation. I find some
Speaker 3: of it, you know, interesting, but it's it's hard to interpret.
Speaker 3: But this may have been the symbol that they were
Speaker 3: referring to, or that that John was referring to. Okay,
Speaker 3: So then you see Raid here checking out Pope Francis
Speaker 3: with a cross with the image of a fish on it.
Speaker 3: He's wearing the fish hat and he has the cross
Speaker 3: with two little fishies swimming on both sides yep.
Speaker 2: One percent.
Speaker 3: And then over here Pope Francis kissing an image of
Speaker 3: the Virgin of a parsi a parsida, a pasida apasida,
Speaker 3: a black Mary of the World Youth Day Mass of
Speaker 3: July twenty thirteen. So he's kissing his fish.
Speaker 2: There.
Speaker 3: Then it says Dagon and the Catholic Church and Mary.
Speaker 3: This should be interesting. Deagon, the name given by the Philistines,
Speaker 3: was the same sun god of the Egyptians who had
Speaker 3: plunged into the waters of the womb to be reborn.
Speaker 3: This may be why the Catholic Church pray to marry oh,
Speaker 3: fuck me, that's interesting, and it could It could be
Speaker 3: instead of Mary, it could be Mayor or maice, Mare
Speaker 3: or MRIs, the Latin name for the ocean or the sea. Ah.
Speaker 2: If any birth to Dagon his mother, if you will.
Speaker 3: If anyone wants to join the church today, what do
Speaker 3: they have to do? They have to get baptized. For
Speaker 3: most Protestants, they have to be baptized by immersion, plunged
Speaker 3: into the waters of the womb to be reborn, it
Speaker 3: says an initiation of sorts and a top it all
Speaker 3: offt the initiate has to accept Jesus Christ as their
Speaker 3: personal savior. The name Jesus. Oh, this might be going
Speaker 3: a little far. Let's see. By the way, these aren't
Speaker 3: my opinions. I just want to I'm just presenting what
Speaker 3: I found.
Speaker 2: Okay, good, dude, you're good.
Speaker 3: The name Jesus Christ represents Dagon, and the pope represents
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ here on earth. He represents Dagon here on earth.
Speaker 3: Dagon is also the Greek Poseidon or the Roman Neptune.
Speaker 3: So what do they mean as far as Jesus Christ
Speaker 3: representing Dagon. I this is my first time seeing it.
Speaker 3: I didn't read this entire article.
Speaker 1: But I feel like they're about to make the connection, like, oh,
Speaker 1: you mean the guy who died and rose again three
Speaker 1: days and then we have this guy who did it
Speaker 1: in this culture and this guy that did it in
Speaker 1: this culture, and I have a feeling they're about to
Speaker 1: try to draw some string there. But even the name
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ wasn't his actual real name. Now we can
Speaker 1: get into the debate of how and why Yeshua became
Speaker 1: Jesus in a language with no jays. Now that like
Speaker 1: this can be that could be a number of reasons,
Speaker 1: but yeah, they're not.
Speaker 2: You know, we're good.
Speaker 3: Well, it says the true name of the the Messiah
Speaker 3: is Yehoshua, so you.
Speaker 2: Say that, yeah, Yashua.
Speaker 3: Well it's spelled really weird right here. But it says
Speaker 3: he was the name or he was the Messiah, not
Speaker 3: the Christ. And then it says for more information on this,
Speaker 3: read how Yehoah and Yehoshua the true Bible names in Hebrew.
Speaker 1: Well, that's because Christ didn't come around until it was
Speaker 1: put into Greek, because that's from the Greek word cristos.
Speaker 2: That's not a Hebrew word anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Anyway, it's pretty weird. I'm not even trying to
Speaker 3: run on that. That's not the point that I was
Speaker 3: trying to make. But so then it gets into the
Speaker 3: Mother Mary, the Mary goddess worship. So Pope Francis and Mary,
Speaker 3: this seems interesting. It says Pope Francis, who is at Jesuit,
Speaker 3: clearly worships Mary. On October thirteenth, twenty thirteen, he consecrated
Speaker 3: the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Pope Francis
Speaker 3: claims in quotes that she gave birth to the church,
Speaker 3: and she is our holy Mother. The fish symbol of
Speaker 3: pagan times represented the womb and the Great Mother. Let
Speaker 3: us invoke Mary's intercession, he said, May she help us
Speaker 3: to may wait. May she help us to be open
Speaker 3: to God's surprises, to be faithful to Him each and
Speaker 3: every day, and to praise and thank Him for he
Speaker 3: is our strength. He is invoking the Great Mother Goddess
Speaker 3: to the whole world. The worshiping of false gods and
Speaker 3: icons and idols. Anyway, it says in his recent prayer
Speaker 3: made by Pope Francis at Limpedusa last year, he called
Speaker 3: Mary the star of the Sea. So it's just a
Speaker 3: lot of symbolism here. I don't think that anybody's going
Speaker 3: back and saying that Jesus was actually dagon. It's just
Speaker 3: the symbolism that they may be picking up on.
Speaker 1: No, but I mean it isn't. He has said these things,
Speaker 1: he has done these things. He is fully speaking about
Speaker 1: Mary as if she is a mother deity. It's and
Speaker 1: I hate to be the one to burst the bubble here,
Speaker 1: but the whole point of the book isn't to worship Mary.
Speaker 1: It is to worship Yahweh through the sacrifice of his
Speaker 1: son Yeshiah.
Speaker 2: That is the entire point and scope of it.
Speaker 1: The number one rule that Jesus told us to do
Speaker 1: is love thy neighbor right, honor God above anything else,
Speaker 1: and love your neighbor as yourself. That that's the number
Speaker 1: one and number two of how to live the best
Speaker 1: life possible. He didn't say shit about his mom.
Speaker 2: That's just me. I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the it's it's questionable because when you look at
Speaker 3: the Bible, it's well, at least the New Testament, well,
Speaker 3: the Old Testament talked about the times of him actually coming.
Speaker 3: But like if you look at the Bible, it's it's
Speaker 3: not saying to worship any kind of mother goddess. It's
Speaker 3: not saying to worship Mary. None of it says any
Speaker 3: of that. It's them making symbols out of Mary. And
Speaker 3: so even like you said, Jesus never never said that
Speaker 3: you need to worry as mother or any of that
Speaker 3: other kind of shit. So you're starting to really see
Speaker 3: the uh, like the the melding of the pagan under
Speaker 3: understanding of of worship, which you know they're they're basically
Speaker 3: taking the the blueprint or the outline of pagan worship
Speaker 3: and applying it to Christianity and saying, look, we're Catholics.
Speaker 3: And so that's not necessarily the way to go because
Speaker 3: if Jesus is the savior, now that's open to interpretation,
Speaker 3: that's whatever you believe. But if Jesus is the savior
Speaker 3: and you're running your entire not only your church but
Speaker 3: not even your just your city, but your entire religion
Speaker 3: and and your understanding of spirituality as a symbol, why
Speaker 3: then would you need to worship a mother, Mary, a saint,
Speaker 3: a pope, uh, any of these kind of people like, no,
Speaker 3: cut the fat and get straight to the source. It
Speaker 3: should be just Jesus, right.
Speaker 1: I fully agree I fully agree. And again this does
Speaker 1: and detract from Mary's importance and like why she was
Speaker 1: chosen to be the vessel for the Savior. There's reasons,
Speaker 1: and like mad respect and reverend should be put on her, yes,
Speaker 1: but praying to her as a deity, that's that's a
Speaker 1: little wild. And then oh man, this one, this one
Speaker 1: chaps the chonies of of all Catholics. Whenever you mentioned
Speaker 1: that Mary didn't die of virgin and twice it's mentioned
Speaker 1: that Jesus had brothers, like brothers, Joseph and Mary had
Speaker 1: children of their own after Jesus, and it's like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not true. Uh yeah, look at the translation. It's like, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: look at the translation. When he referred to when Jesus
Speaker 1: was healing people and his homeboy came up, he was like, hey, Jesus,
Speaker 1: your mom and your brothers are here to see you.
Speaker 1: He wasn't referring to your very tight knit friends that
Speaker 1: you consider brothers. It was one of his disciples that
Speaker 1: was speaking to him, one of those that would have
Speaker 1: been considered that type of brother.
Speaker 2: So like, it's wild. And then when you look at it, Joseph.
Speaker 1: Was like forty and Mary was like fourteen when Jesus
Speaker 1: was conceived, and that's what another portion of the whole
Speaker 1: Immaculate Conception thing. So like you're telling me they didn't
Speaker 1: have any more any children her whole life, she didn't.
Speaker 2: Know, dog, That's not how that played out at all.
Speaker 3: Mary was only fourteen married. Huh, Mary was only fourteen.
Speaker 2: It was customary in that time, dude.
Speaker 1: Marriage being a thing until you're like late teens and
Speaker 1: early twenties only started becoming in vogue.
Speaker 2: In the last few centuries.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I have that's the truth of it.
Speaker 2: That's horrible. I fully disagree with that.
Speaker 1: But you could be a fourteen year old boy and
Speaker 1: get married to a fourteen year old girl three hundred
Speaker 1: years ago and like that was boom. That was solid.
Speaker 1: But like divorce was never an option. You gotta understand
Speaker 1: that too. It was it was locked in.
Speaker 3: What I'm about to say will probably be blasphemous, and
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 3: I like to put things in the scope of today,
Speaker 3: and I know that times are different. I get it.
Speaker 1: On Hold on, hold on, before you said what's about
Speaker 1: to say, let me make sure this is clear. As
Speaker 1: far as Joseph and Marry goes they were engaged to
Speaker 1: be married before the angel ever came and spoke to her.
Speaker 1: He had paid a certain portion of a dowry and
Speaker 1: they were waiting until she had gotten to an appropriate age.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that too, just so we're clear. The pregnancy
Speaker 1: kind of forced their hand into making things happen more speedily,
Speaker 1: but like the deal had already been struck.
Speaker 3: Now continue, So the age at which she was impregnated
Speaker 3: from the seed of God, if you will, Yeah, it
Speaker 3: was fourteen.
Speaker 2: It was like fourteen to sixteen. It was somewhere in there.
Speaker 1: I can't speak for full authority on where, but somewhere
Speaker 1: in there.
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what. I feel bad even mentioning it.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna move on past that. It's a little pedophilic.
Speaker 1: But anyway, I mean, I understand, I fully understand what
Speaker 1: you're saying. But again, dude, that wasn't the way, like
Speaker 1: culturally speaking back then, if you had a who was
Speaker 1: twenty and unmarried, like something was wrong with her or
Speaker 1: like you were gonna have to figure something out.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, like I said, like, times were very
Speaker 3: different back then. As soon as a little girl would bleed,
Speaker 3: she was now a woman. So, yep, there wasn't necessarily
Speaker 3: laws saying that you had to be eighteen.
Speaker 1: I'm very happy that we live in a civilized society
Speaker 1: where that's deemed fucking wrong.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that, but you know I'm in place.
Speaker 3: But in the eyes of God, fourteen was okay. That
Speaker 3: was the point that I was trying to.
Speaker 1: Make under the pretenses of marriage. And also keep in
Speaker 1: mind they were waiting she was a virgin when she
Speaker 1: had conceived the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Sure, anyhow, we'll move on over to Ball, which is
Speaker 3: Dagon's son. Yep, okay. As we mentioned before, so most
Speaker 3: people you might not know who Dagon is, but most
Speaker 3: of us have heard of Ball and Baphomet and Satan
Speaker 3: and Lucifern. These kind of names are usually grouped together.
Speaker 3: Some people say that they're all one beings. Some people
Speaker 3: say they're all separate beings. That's up to you. But
Speaker 3: Ball here, it says I really wanted to get to
Speaker 3: the idea of who Ball was, because, as they say,
Speaker 3: you get to know the man by his fruits if
Speaker 3: you will, and I feel like, what better way to
Speaker 3: get to know who Dagon is than by the fruits
Speaker 3: of his labor? Which would be ball or bail, absolutely
Speaker 3: bail god god worshiped. He was a god worshiped in
Speaker 3: many ancient Middle Eastern communities, especially among the Canaanites, who
Speaker 3: apparently considered him a fertility deity, and is one of
Speaker 3: the most important gods in the pantheon. As a Semitic
Speaker 3: common noun, bail or ball or all, however, you would
Speaker 3: say it meant owner or lord, although it could be
Speaker 3: used more generally. For example, a ball of wings was
Speaker 3: a winged creature, and in the plural bleam of a
Speaker 3: ballam of arrows indicated archers. Yet such fluidity and the
Speaker 3: use of the term ball did not prevent it from
Speaker 3: being attached to a god of distinct character. As such,
Speaker 3: Ball designated the universal god of fertility, and in that
Speaker 3: capacity his title was prince Lord of the Earth. All right,
Speaker 3: all right, So now we might be building on something here,
Speaker 3: because it talked about how he was a possible you
Speaker 3: would you would take a ball of wings or was
Speaker 3: was considered a wing creature in the in the plural
Speaker 3: a baleam of arrows. So interesting here, let's just try
Speaker 3: and draw something here. So if he possibly a ball
Speaker 3: of wings would be a wing creature maybe like a
Speaker 3: dragon or a baleam of arrows indicated archers. Well, that's
Speaker 3: interesting because angels usually are looking like archers.
Speaker 1: And indeed, and also feathers would be the feathers that
Speaker 1: would be used on arrows as well, so like I
Speaker 1: could see that.
Speaker 3: And also check this out. He was designated the universal
Speaker 3: God of fertility, which is interesting because that dates back
Speaker 3: to his daddy, you know, talking about Dagon, but it
Speaker 3: also may convert into Mary because she was the womb
Speaker 3: of the Savior, so that I don't know, I'm just
Speaker 3: starting out thing to Lucifer anyway, because if you were
Speaker 3: to go according to the story, when they were kicked
Speaker 3: out of heaven, the first thing they did was come
Speaker 3: and inner breed with the creation of God.
Speaker 1: So it would be right in line to say that
Speaker 1: that dude would be a quote unquote fertility god when
Speaker 1: he and his whole retinue were just fucking everything that moves.
Speaker 3: So whenever you see bail hold the title such as
Speaker 3: prince or Lord of the Earth, and then you see
Speaker 3: the pope rocking his daddy's hat, I'm just saying here.
Speaker 2: Not to mention the ring that the pope wears do
Speaker 2: you have something on that? On this? Uh? I do
Speaker 2: on this?
Speaker 1: Okay, there we got to people little pin in that one,
Speaker 1: and he's talking about Lord of the Earth.
Speaker 2: Let's go ahead and keep a pin in the ring. Anyway.
Speaker 3: He was also, oh, check this out. You want to
Speaker 3: talk about how uh Dagon was basically uh the ruler
Speaker 3: of the clouds and of fertility and water and stuff
Speaker 3: like that. Check this out whenever it comes to Bail.
Speaker 3: Bail was also called the lord of rain and dew,
Speaker 3: the two forms of moisture that were indispensable for fertile
Speaker 3: soil and Canaan So that's pretty interesting, right, how they're
Speaker 3: really all connecting here. This is why you may say
Speaker 3: that that was his son, because the stories translated into
Speaker 3: the next, you know, version of this deity, and then
Speaker 3: it gets into knowledge of Bail's personality and functions derives
Speaker 3: chiefly from a number of tablets uncovered from nineteen twenty
Speaker 3: nine onward at Yugrio in northern Syria and dating into
Speaker 3: the middle of the second millennium BC. The tablets, although
Speaker 3: closely attached to the worship of Bail at his local temple,
Speaker 3: probably represent Canaanite belief. Generally fertility was envisaged in terms
Speaker 3: of seven year cycles. In the mythology of Canaan, Bail,
Speaker 3: the god of life and fertility, locked in mortal combat
Speaker 3: with mont, the god of death and sterility. If Bail triumphed,
Speaker 3: a seven year cycle of fertility would ensue, but if
Speaker 3: he were vanquished by Mott, seven years of drought and
Speaker 3: famine would ensue. Eugaritic texts tell of other fertility aspects
Speaker 3: of Bail, such as his relations with Anath, his consort
Speaker 3: and sister, and also his searing a divine bull calf
Speaker 3: from a heifer. But Bail was not exclusively a fertility god.
Speaker 3: He was also the king of the gods, and to
Speaker 3: achieve that position, he was portrayed as seizing the divine
Speaker 3: kingship from Yam, the sea god.
Speaker 1: So the divine kingship from Yam a man was about them, Yam's.
Speaker 3: Son, dude, yams them.
Speaker 2: Cakes, yamming them cakes. You know about it, what's up?
Speaker 3: But anyway, it's just why I wanted to bring that up,
Speaker 3: because it's all about the sea god and the fishes
Speaker 3: and everything. So he had to get the divine kinship
Speaker 3: from the sea god. And then it says the myths
Speaker 3: also tell us of Bail's struggle to obtain a palace
Speaker 3: comparable and grandeur to those of other gods. Bail persuaded
Speaker 3: Asherah to intercede with her husband l the head of
Speaker 3: the pantheon, to authorize the construction of a palace. The
Speaker 3: god of arts and crafts, Cothar, then proceeded to build
Speaker 3: for Bail the most beautiful of palaces, which spread over
Speaker 3: ten thousand acres. The myth may refer in part to
Speaker 3: the construction of Bale's own temple in the city of Yugart.
Speaker 3: Near Bale's temple was that of Dagon, given in the
Speaker 3: tab Blitz as Baal's father. The worship of Bail was
Speaker 3: popular in Egypt from the later New Kingdom in about
Speaker 3: fourteen hundred BC, though the influence of the Aramians, who
Speaker 3: borrowed the Babylonian pronunciation Bell, the god ultimately became as
Speaker 3: known as the Greek Belos identified with Zeus. So I
Speaker 3: think that that's really where he was getting to, as
Speaker 3: as far as Dagon being also Jesus or whatever, probably
Speaker 3: just drawing from these ends, because basically Bail turned into Bell,
Speaker 3: which became Belos, which was Zeus, and people have drawn
Speaker 3: the comparisons between Jesus and Zeus caught Jesus. What some
Speaker 3: people say is basically it means hail Zeus, which up
Speaker 3: to interpretation.
Speaker 2: Oh got you, got you okay.
Speaker 3: So Bail was also worshiped for various by various various
Speaker 3: communities as a local god. The Hebrews scriptures speak frequently
Speaker 3: of the of the bail of a given place, or
Speaker 3: refers to Beleem in the plural, suggesting the evidence of
Speaker 3: local deities or lords of various locales. It is not
Speaker 3: known to the extent the Canaanites. It is not known
Speaker 3: to what extent that the Canaanites considered those various balem identical.
Speaker 3: But the Bale of Yugarrit does not seem to have
Speaker 3: confined its activities to one city, and doubtless other communities
Speaker 3: agreed in giving him cosmic scope. So anyway, kind of
Speaker 3: just wanted to throw that in there. This is from Britannica,
Speaker 3: so this is kind of just like the documented literature part.
Speaker 3: It's an encyclopedia, but absolutely just want to throw that
Speaker 3: out there. So then I come over to this website
Speaker 3: which is a pretty interesting one. It's called rav Shaoul
Speaker 3: dot com. But the Sabbath Covenant a Nazarene's guide, So
Speaker 3: I believe this is Jewish, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's something I'm not sure or what it's
Speaker 1: supposed to mean, but all.
Speaker 3: Right, so I guess this are this website wrote a
Speaker 3: book called The Anti Christ Revealed, which okay, everybody's always
Speaker 3: trying to figure this out and so but chapter four
Speaker 3: in the book it says, from Dagon to the dragon,
Speaker 3: the spirit behind the beast. So I thought this was
Speaker 3: this would be interesting to bring up. It says the
Speaker 3: word dragon comes from the word Dagon, one of, if
Speaker 3: not the oldest pagan gods, dating back to Nimrod. Dagon
Speaker 3: or Dagon evolved over time and cultures into the dragon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is pretty.
Speaker 3: Interesting whenever you're talking about the etymology. Where does it
Speaker 3: all come from. I know that we all want to
Speaker 3: believe the dragons were a real thing. I hope that
Speaker 3: they are. But according to this understanding rate here, dragon
Speaker 3: gets its name from Dagon, which was a fish god,
Speaker 3: which is interesting because whenever you're looking at dragons, they're
Speaker 3: usually scaly like that, you know. So, uh so you
Speaker 3: see raid here where basically it has a pretty cool
Speaker 3: picture of the Dagon fish god basically controlling the pope.
Speaker 3: Yeah you see that. Yeah, so you got Dagon over here.
Speaker 3: Dagon the fish god equals Neptune equals Poseidon, who carries
Speaker 3: the trident equals Satan equals Leviathan equals tennine equals Dragon
Speaker 3: equals Cephareth or Sarah Sarah rather. So these are the
Speaker 3: different interpretations how they've grown to evolve as far as
Speaker 3: symbolism goes, according to their understanding. So you would have
Speaker 3: the Dagon fish god evolving into Neptune, evolving into Uh
Speaker 3: Satan or Leviathan, and then evolving into the Dragon, which
Speaker 3: would be Satan and the goat head and shit like that,
Speaker 3: the upside down pentagram.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's kind of crazy to hear the names
Speaker 1: out loud. But again, if you're not, if you're just
Speaker 1: listening to this and you would like to see what
Speaker 1: we're talking about, come check his own Patreon. When you
Speaker 1: see their images lined up next to each other, I
Speaker 1: see where they're coming from.
Speaker 3: Gonna be honest, right right, And this is kind of
Speaker 3: just getting into the whole pretty much everything that we
Speaker 3: got into. So it's not just I just wanted to
Speaker 3: show that it's not just one person or one group
Speaker 3: of people that are saying this, that there's actually a
Speaker 3: bunch of beliefs that are stemmed from this. So then
Speaker 3: it gets into the Ikethys symbol of the fish. It
Speaker 3: says Dagon or fish worship is the source of the
Speaker 3: Christian symbol of the fish. Actually it can be traced
Speaker 3: to the fish worship of Dagon and the zodiac sign
Speaker 3: of Pisces. We are told it is because some of
Speaker 3: the disciples were fishermen, or that Yeshua would make us
Speaker 3: fisher of men, among other excuses. The truth is is
Speaker 3: that it is nowhere defined in scripture. But yet the
Speaker 3: real source of the Christian fish symbol is that of
Speaker 3: Dagon worship, just like the meter had it says. According
Speaker 3: to Egyptian mythology, when the judge, when the judges found
Speaker 3: Osiris or Nimrod guilty of corrupting the religion of Adam
Speaker 3: and cut up his body, they threw the parts into
Speaker 3: the nile. It was said that a fish ate one
Speaker 3: of these chunks and transformed. And then later Isis was
Speaker 3: fishing along the river bank when she fished up a
Speaker 3: half man, half fish. This sea creature was known as Dagon,
Speaker 3: the reincarnated Nimrod. A Dagon is the representation of Nimrod
Speaker 3: of ancient Babylon resurrecting out of the ocean depths as
Speaker 3: a half man, half fish. So this is really where
Speaker 3: they're trying to bring in the whole baptism kind of thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, so Nimrod had to make an appearance the
Speaker 1: reincarnation of Nimrod the Babylonian king aka Saddam Hussein possibly
Speaker 1: and and you know, wait, no, no, that Wasbkanzer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I get this.
Speaker 2: Excuse me, my bad, My bad. Okay.
Speaker 3: So it says Dagon is the diminutive of Dag and
Speaker 3: signifies fish. Boloonians believe that a being part man in
Speaker 3: part fish, emerged from the Eritherian sea that's a tough word,
Speaker 3: and appeared in Babylonia in the early days of its history.
Speaker 3: Representations of the fish god have been found among the
Speaker 3: sculptures of Nineveh. The Philistine Dagon was of similar character.
Speaker 3: So yeah, it's pretty interesting when and then you, oh, dude,
Speaker 3: I didn't even think about this, And then it gets
Speaker 3: into the worship of Dagon also affected people's eating habits. Now,
Speaker 3: the mystery of why Catholics abstain from eating fish on
Speaker 3: all days except for Fridays comes into focus. This restriction
Speaker 3: of eating fish is not found strict in scripture. Whether
Speaker 3: they realize it or not, they are practicing the ancient
Speaker 3: pagan rite of worshiping Dagon. The Catholic Encyclopedia even admits
Speaker 3: such abominations of the so called church and then as
Speaker 3: a ritual of the warship. We only know from ancient
Speaker 3: writers that for religious reasons, most of the Syrian peoples
Speaker 3: abstain from eating fish, a practice that one is naturally
Speaker 3: inclined to connect with the worship of a fish god.
Speaker 1: Okay, so that's actually they're wrong on that this source.
Speaker 1: So Catholics don't abstain from eating fish on every day
Speaker 1: except for Fridays during LNT they only eat fish on Fridays.
Speaker 1: They eat fish year round, all the time, any day
Speaker 1: of the week. They don't abstain from it during LNT.
Speaker 1: They don't eat red meat on Fridays, or any meat
Speaker 1: that when you cut into it bleeds a i e.
Speaker 1: They only eat fish during that time and that is
Speaker 1: between that is the vernal equinox. If I'm not mistaken,
Speaker 1: it's around that time when it starts, that's Good Friday
Speaker 1: and ash Wednesday. Excuse me, it's from ash Wednesday to
Speaker 1: Good Friday.
Speaker 2: It's the Easter season of LNT.
Speaker 1: So they don't abstain from eating fish. That I see
Speaker 1: what they're trying to say. But they got it a
Speaker 1: little off kilt there.
Speaker 3: You know, just different interpretations, that's all it is. But
Speaker 3: so now I want to get to a website that
Speaker 3: is called useless etymology dot com The etymology of Dragon. Okay,
Speaker 3: so let's see what this one says. It says dragon
Speaker 3: comes from the Latin term draconem, meaning huge serpent or dragon,
Speaker 3: which in turn is from the Greek dracone, a serpent
Speaker 3: or giant seafish. The pirroot dirk to see suggests that
Speaker 3: the literal sense of dracone was the one with the
Speaker 3: deadly glance. I like looking into this kind of shit
Speaker 3: certain etymologies, but it says the sense of glance or
Speaker 3: gaze in the Greek dracon appears in the stem drac
Speaker 3: of dirk S's tie, which means to see clearly. Dragon
Speaker 3: came to the English came to English by the way
Speaker 3: of the old French dragon in the thirteenth century, drake
Speaker 3: was also often used interchangeably. In the young were known
Speaker 3: as dragonettes.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I've heard of a drake, like a fire
Speaker 1: drake or something like that, So it's like a young dragon, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, basically it says. Originally in Greek
Speaker 3: and Latin mythology, and even in English, the term could
Speaker 3: refer to any great serpent, even those that weren't mythological.
Speaker 3: For example, in the Iliad, Agamemnon wears a blue dragon
Speaker 3: motif on his sword belt. But it's just like it's
Speaker 3: it's just as like that the drag con was used
Speaker 3: there to refer to a snake. So you kind of
Speaker 3: seeing I just like, you know, pulling up.
Speaker 1: A skin belt is still pretty sick though, right right, So,
Speaker 1: and you start to see it here that the dagon
Speaker 1: the fish god, and how it translates even is relating
Speaker 1: to what we would know as a dragon, that it's
Speaker 1: always something to do, like right here, a sea serpent.
Speaker 3: And you know, so I kind of just wanted to
Speaker 3: throw that went out there. As far as the etymology goes,
Speaker 3: it's up to interpretation, I believe. As far as where
Speaker 3: this term dragon or dagon comes from, people have different
Speaker 3: understandings of it, but whether it comes from Draccon or
Speaker 3: Dagon or whatever, they definitely seem to be at least
Speaker 3: somewhat interchangeable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so I just wanted to.
Speaker 3: Throw that out there. Next, I would like to get
Speaker 3: to d all right, Yeah, this is going to be
Speaker 3: one of the final things that we look into. But
Speaker 3: this is this is actually a pretty cool way of
Speaker 3: looking at this. So I want, y'all, it's only like
Speaker 3: three minutes long. We're not going to play the whole thing,
Speaker 3: but it's only three minutes long. And this is the
Speaker 3: Vatican Cult of Dagon. This is what they get into.
Speaker 5: So in his movie Dagon, which I highly recommend you
Speaker 5: you go see, he shows how the fish people turned
Speaker 5: everyone away from God and it brought them together under
Speaker 5: their dark lord.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: But for HB.
Speaker 5: Lovecraft, these murph folk were no beauties.
Speaker 6: Perhaps they're beautiful, they were also very deadly, but they
Speaker 6: would corrupt your soul and take you over genetically.
Speaker 5: And then bring you down to the dark One and
Speaker 5: the deep, the one that ever sleeps.
Speaker 3: I mainly wanted to show it for the movie that
Speaker 3: he was referencing called Dagon, which was basically these mermaids
Speaker 3: that were bringing down people down to their god. And
Speaker 3: so could we be talking about Leviathan here? Plus that
Speaker 3: was that was written. It was a story written by
Speaker 3: what was it, Madam Blavotsky or HB. Lovecraft, one of them?
Speaker 2: HP Lovecraft. That's right, right, So all.
Speaker 3: Right, this next video I want to show is it's
Speaker 3: actually is this your boy, let's see, it's only four minutes.
Speaker 3: Check it out.
Speaker 4: Religious symbol and that is an ancient Phoenician god that
Speaker 4: was very important in the Middle East some five thousand
Speaker 4: years ago. That god was called Dagon, the Agom. Dagon
Speaker 4: was a fish god. Interesting how he has evolved into
Speaker 4: today's world of religion. Dagon is still very much alive
Speaker 4: with the.
Speaker 3: World today, Jordan Maxwell, there it is.
Speaker 4: First of all, everyone knows that Christianity is founded on
Speaker 4: the worship of Jesus Christ. That is accepted around the world,
Speaker 4: and most people believe that the Vatican is a center
Speaker 4: for the worship of Jesus, the God of Christianity. However,
Speaker 4: millions of people also believe that the Pope of Rome
Speaker 4: is leading the Christians to worship Jesus throughout the world.
Speaker 4: But my question is who is the pope leading the
Speaker 4: worship of The first symbol that I want to talk
Speaker 4: about is the headdress that the Pope or the Bishop
Speaker 4: of Rome wears. That headdress is very interesting and has
Speaker 4: quite a history to it. That pope's headdress is called
Speaker 4: Pope's miter, the Pope's might. We've seen it in many
Speaker 4: different shapes, but they're always basically the same shape, the
Speaker 4: Pope's miter. It's an official headdress worn only by the Pope,
Speaker 4: supposedly only by the Pope. But we need to understand
Speaker 4: that that symbol goes back at least five thousand years.
Speaker 4: So what we need to know and what we need
Speaker 4: to keep in mind, is that this strange and interesting
Speaker 4: headdress of hat that the Pope wears is impacted by
Speaker 4: a god named Dagon. Degon was a god of the Philistines,
Speaker 4: and Dagon comes from the word dag, which means fish.
Speaker 4: So Degon was a fish god. And here we have
Speaker 4: pictures of another fish god named Annis, same god, but
Speaker 4: was worship in different countries under different names. So we
Speaker 4: have we have a god who's half fish and half
Speaker 4: men are men who wear the garbs of a fish
Speaker 4: in their in their religious uh celebrations. So here in
Speaker 4: the Jewish Encyclopedia, under the heading of Dagon, you will
Speaker 4: see a picture of uh the priests of Dagon or
Speaker 4: the god himself, and he's wearing a fish head and
Speaker 4: the body of a fish down his back. So now
Speaker 4: we see the pope's headdress on the top is the
Speaker 4: pope's by but when turned you then see he's actually
Speaker 4: wearing a fish head the fish god dey god, because
Speaker 4: he's representing the worship of an ancient Phoenician god. So
Speaker 4: this is why today Christians on the back of their
Speaker 4: cars you will see have a fish symbol, thinking that
Speaker 4: that's to denote them as Christians worship in Jesus. No,
Speaker 4: it's a fish symbol because it's denoting Dagon, the fish God.
Speaker 4: The significance of Dagon was a very important mystical god
Speaker 4: to the ancient peoples in the Middle East, in Babylonia
Speaker 4: who Maria Veniicia Cana, and that very powerful mystical god
Speaker 4: is still dominating the spirit and the intellectual thinking of
Speaker 4: religion even to today. So it's not Jesus that's influencing
Speaker 4: the Vatican and the Pope, it's Dagon, the fish god.
Speaker 4: That's the importance of this. The point being is that
Speaker 4: religion comes to the world and the age of Pisces,
Speaker 4: and Pisces is of course the two fish of the
Speaker 4: constellation of Pisces. But day God is five thousand years old, all.
Speaker 3: Right, So there's the Great Jordan Maxwell. May he rest
Speaker 3: in peace. But it's pretty interesting whenever you really look
Speaker 3: at it. What is the purpose of this fish hot
Speaker 3: and who are they really bowing to? That's the big
Speaker 3: question because you look at the Vatican, you look at
Speaker 3: how they run their business over there. You got all
Speaker 3: the pedophiles going on over there. I know that a
Speaker 3: couple of shit heads don't represent everybody whenever, but whenever
Speaker 3: you have them by the thousands, literally, yeah, by the thousands.
Speaker 2: I mean, be a trend. I'll say that for sure.
Speaker 3: Right right, And so we just want to throw that
Speaker 3: one out there. One more thing that I wanted to
Speaker 3: bring up. This is a very interesting article. This would
Speaker 3: be the last one that we bring up over here,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 2: From the Irish Central.
Speaker 3: The Irish Central Central dot com.
Speaker 1: But it says this out to Ireland, we do in
Speaker 1: fact have like over one thousand Irish cult members out there.
Speaker 2: We see you. We see you out there rocking the
Speaker 2: orange or the green. Either way that goes.
Speaker 3: I look forward to the green beer every year.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: But it says an Irish Saints eerie prophecy that Pope
Speaker 3: Francis will be the last pontiff. Check this shit.
Speaker 2: Out, Oh the pope prophecy.
Speaker 1: Okay, we've brought it up before, but let's read about.
Speaker 3: It now, dude. It's wild, all right. So it says this.
Speaker 1: Prophecy also predicted Benedict resigning, if I'm not mistaken, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, sirh did Okay? It says, in a series of
Speaker 3: one hundred and twelve cryptic Latin phrases, the Irish saint
Speaker 3: predicts the Roman Catholic popes. He predicted there would only
Speaker 3: be one more pope after Benedict, and during his reign
Speaker 3: comes the end of the world, so Francis could be
Speaker 3: the last Saint. Malachi's final prediction in full is this
Speaker 3: in the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church that
Speaker 3: will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock
Speaker 3: amid many tribulations, after which the seven hilled city will
Speaker 3: be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge the people
Speaker 3: the end. So it says Pope Francis, who was born
Speaker 3: as George Mario Bergold Bergoglio or Hey Jorgey orgy, let
Speaker 3: me put some respect on that chose his papal name
Speaker 3: in honor of Saint Francis of Assissi. One theory that
Speaker 3: seeks to confirm the Irish Saints' final prophecy is that
Speaker 3: Saint Francis's father's name was Pietro or Peter Okay. Interesting.
Speaker 3: In eleven thirty nine, the Archbishop Malachi went to Rome
Speaker 3: from Ireland to give an account of his affairs. While there,
Speaker 3: he received a strange vision about the future that included
Speaker 3: the name of every pope one hundred and twelve in
Speaker 3: all from his time who would rule until the end
Speaker 3: of time. We are now the last prophecy. Saint Malachi
Speaker 3: gave an account of his visions to Pope Innocent the Second,
Speaker 3: but the document remained unknown to in the Roman archives
Speaker 3: until its discovery in fifteen ninety. His predictions are taken
Speaker 3: very seriously, as one report states, in nineteen fifty eight,
Speaker 3: before the conclave that would elect Pope John, the thirteenth, Cardinal,
Speaker 3: Spellman of New York hired a boat filled it with
Speaker 3: sheep and sailed up and down the Tiber River to
Speaker 3: show that he was pastor at Nautre. The motto attributed
Speaker 3: to the next Pope and the prophecies. As for the
Speaker 3: prophecy concerning the one hundred and eleventh Pope, Pope Benedict,
Speaker 3: the prophecy says of him Gloria Olivier, which means the
Speaker 3: glory of the Olive. The order of Saint Benedict is
Speaker 3: all known as the Olivitins, which many claim. The many
Speaker 3: claims make Malachi prophecies correct. The next and final pope
Speaker 3: then should be Peter Romans. Many of the prophecies are
Speaker 3: spot on. For example, the one about Pope Urban the
Speaker 3: eighth is Lilium et rosa, or the lily in the rose.
Speaker 3: He was a native of Florence, and arms of Florence
Speaker 3: feature a in the arms of Florence feature of Florida Lee.
Speaker 3: So Pope John the Second or Pope John Paul the
Speaker 3: Second is de la bor Solis, meaning of the eclipse
Speaker 3: of the sun. And he was born May eighteenth, nineteen
Speaker 3: twenty during a solar eclipse. Yeah, so it's pretty interesting,
Speaker 3: but it says Peregrinus Apostolicus or pilgrim Pope, which designates pious.
Speaker 3: The six appears to be verified by many journeys to
Speaker 3: new Lands. So will Pope Francis be the last pope?
Speaker 3: The Irish seer of the twelfth century has said it so,
Speaker 3: and time will tell.
Speaker 2: Dude, isn't that interesting?
Speaker 1: So apparently this is going to be the pope that's
Speaker 1: going to be in the in charge when the apocalypse happens.
Speaker 3: That's what the seer would have us believe.
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you. I mean, I do believe that
Speaker 1: we are living in the end times. I one hundred
Speaker 1: percent do, so I have to.
Speaker 2: Agree with it. But then again I may be biased.
Speaker 1: And again this is if we are to believe the
Speaker 1: historical accounts, and if we are to believe that that
Speaker 1: pope prophecy isn't a forgery in all of these things.
Speaker 1: I don't believe it is personally, But you know, there's
Speaker 1: gonna be haters throwing shade. So you know, some people
Speaker 1: will hear that and really get concerned. Some people will
Speaker 1: hear that and laugh themselves.
Speaker 2: We're here for everybody.
Speaker 3: I mean. The only way to deem it untrue would
Speaker 3: be as if we get a new pope.
Speaker 2: Or if just you know, I mean.
Speaker 3: Mor pharma and happens and we all die, then it
Speaker 3: would be true.
Speaker 2: But does it mean That's the thing.
Speaker 1: I would have to look more into it because like
Speaker 1: does it mean armageddon or does it mean the end
Speaker 1: of the church, Like this would be the last pope
Speaker 1: as in the Catholic Church crumbles.
Speaker 3: It could be that. I mean, especially especially if you
Speaker 3: think that you know, the globalist or the Illuminati is
Speaker 3: trying for a one world order. They wouldn't need a
Speaker 3: religious sector of that order. It would just be one ordering.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the religion might even detract from it. If anything,
Speaker 1: they're trying to do away with religion.
Speaker 3: Altogether, like the Chinese.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Communism is very big about that. No religion is
Speaker 1: bad for the society. That's how they see it. It
Speaker 1: takes away from the common good.
Speaker 3: Right. So anyway, I wanted to bring all this up
Speaker 3: because I want people to really start looking into the
Speaker 3: symbology of whatever it is you believe in. I personally,
Speaker 3: like I say, you know, whenever I look into any
Speaker 3: thing spiritual, I'm always looking into the symbology because I
Speaker 3: want to know it's roots. Because if you're in prayer
Speaker 3: or if you're in meditation, or if you're performing some
Speaker 3: kind of witchcraft shit. It's all really all encompassing. But
Speaker 3: the idea that the pope wearing the hat, the hat
Speaker 3: of Dagon, which dates to awanis or however you o
Speaker 3: WANs or however he said it, which also is the
Speaker 3: father to bail. And then you look into all right,
Speaker 3: where does the Pope sit in his auditorium and it's like,
Speaker 3: you know, demons pulling Jesus, you know, back into hell, right,
Speaker 3: and then you see then you see him carrying his
Speaker 3: staff with the two little fishes on it, with Jesus
Speaker 3: just dying right there, and it really puts it into
Speaker 3: puts it into the scope of like all right, like
Speaker 3: who are these people worshiping? Like what are they really pushing?
Speaker 3: And especially dude, I don't know about you, but I
Speaker 3: love watching Like there was this video that I saw
Speaker 3: and it was like mass over the Vatican one day.
Speaker 3: It was a couple of years ago, and they're speaking
Speaker 3: in Latin or in Italian or whatever, but like over
Speaker 3: there it was I guess it was being translated one way,
Speaker 3: maybe they were saying something else, but dude, basically the
Speaker 3: Pope was talking about like how Lucifer is Lord.
Speaker 2: And it just heard something about that, but I haven't
Speaker 2: seen the video.
Speaker 3: It's crazy, dude, And so all I'm saying is is
Speaker 3: just look into it. Don't take every single thing on faith,
Speaker 3: because whenever you take every single thing on faith, you're
Speaker 3: leaving interpretation up to people who may not have the
Speaker 3: best interest at your heart.
Speaker 1: Absolutely read your Bible for yourselves, y'all, okay, or read
Speaker 1: your literature yourselves, do your own research. Don't just if
Speaker 1: you're gonna die on a hill, make sure it's for
Speaker 1: something that you actually truly believe into your core.
Speaker 3: Right right. So anyway, Yeah, just really wanted to bring
Speaker 3: up all that. I thought it was an interesting rabbit
Speaker 3: hole to dive into, and you know, just the Vatican
Speaker 3: in general, all roads, all roads leading back to Rome.
Speaker 3: I do believe that the Vatican is one of, if
Speaker 3: not the most evil place on the planet. And you
Speaker 3: can really see it. I get it that it's a
Speaker 3: very beautiful place. I mean, it's the amount of artifacts
Speaker 3: they have. They literally have too many. They have to
Speaker 3: put most of them down into a basement where you
Speaker 3: have to, you know, have a certain title even to
Speaker 3: get in there, and I don't know. I anytime I
Speaker 3: hear a Vatican and the Pope, I'm just like, hmm.
Speaker 3: You know, they might be preaching Jesus on the surface,
Speaker 3: but you know their heart lies within their symbolism, and
Speaker 3: their symbolism shows fucking Satan worship. That's really what it is.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: And again this is not trying to throw shade it
Speaker 1: Catholic people. Okay, if you, if you have found your
Speaker 1: peace in this world from going to Mass and saying
Speaker 1: the hymns and good for you, good for you, God
Speaker 1: bless him, but we would be remiss to just point
Speaker 1: out the glaring, obvious red flags when we see them,
Speaker 1: the same way we do about all denominations, the same
Speaker 1: way we do about all religions and things and stuff.
Speaker 1: We're just here to ask the questions. You know, nobody
Speaker 1: should be upset by anything we have said today.
Speaker 3: And I know that everybody has their own interpretation of
Speaker 3: our boy, Zachary King. You know how I was.
Speaker 1: Gonna ask, why don't you say any of this stuff whenever?
Speaker 1: Not just him, but like a spiritual gangster, she's a
Speaker 1: Catholic her. Like there's some people that I would love
Speaker 1: to actually as a Christian. I would love to debate
Speaker 1: them for their Catholic faith versus Protestant faith.
Speaker 2: But I would love to like do it respectfully.
Speaker 1: And the problem is, whenever you get to people that
Speaker 1: dogmatic about their religions butting heads, it can very rarely
Speaker 1: stay respectful, y'all.
Speaker 2: That's the reason why we don't do this.
Speaker 3: I feel like Teresa would would be pretty kosher the
Speaker 3: whole time.
Speaker 2: She would, But that's the thing I don't.
Speaker 1: I would have to talk with her and see, like
Speaker 1: how invested in the rituals of the Catholic faith she is,
Speaker 1: you know what, I mean to do that, and then.
Speaker 3: At that so she knows her shit though.
Speaker 2: Oh her knowledge absolutely, but like I don't know, maybe
Speaker 2: maybe I just anyway, the reason I even bring that
Speaker 2: up negatively, you know, well.
Speaker 3: The reason I even bring that up, it's like, all right,
Speaker 3: you have Zachary King, the ex Satanic wizard, right, the
Speaker 3: high wizard of Satanism. Yeah, and then he just easily
Speaker 3: converts over to Catholicism, you know what I'm.
Speaker 1: Saying, left the Satanic temple for a few years by
Speaker 1: the time when he finally had the meeting with Mary.
Speaker 3: Like that, No, I know, I know, but I'm just
Speaker 3: saying sometimes like likes like that's all. I'm just throwing
Speaker 3: that out there.
Speaker 2: Okay, But anyway what you're putting down.
Speaker 3: That's that's all I'm saying. You know, I'm just an outsider.
Speaker 3: What do I know?
Speaker 2: Now?
Speaker 1: Could that also be because the organization that he was
Speaker 1: a part of took a lot of the uh rituals
Speaker 1: in order of operations, so to speak, of a Catholic
Speaker 1: mass and made it for their Satanic reasons. And seeing
Speaker 1: as how he was a part of a Satanic cult
Speaker 1: from a very young age, he noticed things.
Speaker 2: That kind of lined up.
Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, I wonder why of those looks like
Speaker 1: it felt normal or natural. Maybe because they took it
Speaker 1: from the Catholics, not the other way around.
Speaker 3: Rituals be ritual ling, ritual ling there we go. So
Speaker 3: whenever you see a dark side of the ritual and
Speaker 3: then you say, oh look there's the there's the light
Speaker 3: side of the ritual, the fact of the matter is
Speaker 3: still ritual and do be ritual and they do be ritualing.
Speaker 3: So I don't know, I'm just drawing compar dude, they
Speaker 3: do be. So anyway, do with.
Speaker 2: That as you will.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to provide this whole uh dagon warship
Speaker 3: the owanis or however the fuck you say it worship
Speaker 3: which is basically worshiping the fish God. Could it be
Speaker 3: worshiping the dragon? Could it be worshiping the Leviathan? Could
Speaker 3: it be the Baptist is a symbol of your worship
Speaker 3: to dig on? I know sounds blasphemous, but just look
Speaker 3: into it. We don't know where a lot of this,
Speaker 3: you know, comes from, and the etymology. Etymology is important.
Speaker 3: So that's really why I wanted to bring it up.
Speaker 3: But hopefully I didn't piss too many people off.
Speaker 2: Nah, I don't think you did.
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