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<v Speaker 3>Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult

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<v Speaker 3>of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan. I'm Jack, and today

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<v Speaker 3>we have a very very spicy meatball that I would

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<v Speaker 3>love to present to all the all the good cult

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<v Speaker 3>members worldwide.

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<v Speaker 2>It's spicy dog.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah. I mean, depending on what your religion is,

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<v Speaker 3>you may or may not get a little upset. I'm

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<v Speaker 3>just precursor warning right now.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So is this like whenever I did that deep

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<v Speaker 1>dive on the Nation of Islam, and like if you

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<v Speaker 1>were a member of the nation, you may take issue

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<v Speaker 1>with some things that I said.

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<v Speaker 2>Is it like that?

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<v Speaker 3>Realm, let's just say, if you're a Catholic, you're not

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<v Speaker 3>going to enjoy this.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh oh oh, Now hold on, is this from their

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<v Speaker 1>doctrine or is this other people's words? How deep we

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<v Speaker 1>go and do because you know, I know a thing

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<v Speaker 1>or two about Catholicism, not everything, not some, not some

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<v Speaker 1>all knowwhere of the Vatican archives, but the higher hierarchy.

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<v Speaker 2>And some of the things I know about how deep

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<v Speaker 2>we go and do.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's why I'm excited to talk with you about it,

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<v Speaker 3>because you do know a good bit more about just

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<v Speaker 3>Christianity in general than I do. But I have referenced

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<v Speaker 3>this very topic over the past couple of years in passing.

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<v Speaker 3>We've just never really done a super deep dive. And

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<v Speaker 3>if you listen to the episode that we did, oh God,

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<v Speaker 3>at least a year ago. Now, whenever we were talking

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<v Speaker 3>about the Gray Pope, the Black Pope, and the Red Pope,

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<v Speaker 3>the White Pope and all these different popes, right, and

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<v Speaker 3>there's like a bunch of a bunch of different sectors

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<v Speaker 3>that they all represent something like they're all in control

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<v Speaker 3>of one thing or another. Well, this one is not

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<v Speaker 3>so much the different sectors of Catholicism. It's more so

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<v Speaker 3>the symbolism behind it. And now, the reason why I

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<v Speaker 3>want to get into this is a couple a couple

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<v Speaker 3>of different reasons. Actually. First of all, my experience at

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<v Speaker 3>the Catholic Church. Whenever I went to Mass on that

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<v Speaker 3>Sun a couple of years ago, I'm just out of curiosity.

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<v Speaker 3>I went in there and I thought there's absolutely nothing

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<v Speaker 3>spiritual about any of this, and if anything, it's the

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<v Speaker 3>most cult like thing that I've ever experienced in my life.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 2>Crazy, bro.

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<v Speaker 1>Most people that have heard of that go to a

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic Mass for the first time, having no spiritual background whatsoever,

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<v Speaker 1>they all say it feels very spiritual. They felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>not necessarily a presence, but the order of it, the

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<v Speaker 1>ritual of it, whatever. They said, it felt like a

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<v Speaker 1>spiritual experience. You say that you did not at all

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<v Speaker 1>feel any type of spiritual, but the rudimentary and the

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<v Speaker 1>orderliness of it made you feel more akin to like

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<v Speaker 1>a cult.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me put it to you like this. Whenever I

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<v Speaker 3>say spiritual, I just mean like kind of the good feeling,

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<v Speaker 3>the good vibe, the Holy Spirit coming within you, if

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<v Speaker 3>you will right. And I'm not gonna say that the

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<v Speaker 3>Catholic Church isn't spiritual. I'm just gonna say that it's

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<v Speaker 3>not the kind of spirit that most people should be

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<v Speaker 3>associating themselves with. And you can look at it through

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<v Speaker 3>their symbology and what they actually represent. Now, the Catholic people,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not chitting on the Catholic people. Dude, You're just

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<v Speaker 3>you think you're doing the right thing, and if it

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<v Speaker 3>makes you be a better person, then you go right ahead.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just trying to get to the point of the

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<v Speaker 3>symbology now, y'all know, I got the other podcast Meta Mysteries.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm always looking into symbology. Symbology is literally they always

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<v Speaker 3>say that symbology will be their downfall, like it's it's

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<v Speaker 3>something that is out in the open. Now, one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that I've noticed through looking into like occult

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<v Speaker 3>rituals and and things like that, is symbology is huge.

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<v Speaker 3>It's probably the single most important materialistic thing that somebody

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<v Speaker 3>would be able that you could do. So like even

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<v Speaker 3>in witchcraft, like the pentagram. A lot of people look

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<v Speaker 3>at the pentagram, they say, oh, it's satanic. Well, it's

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<v Speaker 3>not really satanic until you turn it up side down.

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<v Speaker 3>That makes it satanic. Whenever it's right side up, Hey,

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<v Speaker 3>it's a star of David right like whatever, like you can,

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<v Speaker 3>you can name it all these different things. But the

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<v Speaker 3>point is is that I like getting into the symbolism here,

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<v Speaker 3>and so what we're going to do is we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to show how First of all, we've talked about popes

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<v Speaker 3>and and all of that fun jazz. We talk about how, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>this new pope is a little too woke, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Think a little too little too politically leaning for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, And if anybody has ever visited our patreon, you'll

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<v Speaker 3>see one of our our wallpaper is like this giant

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<v Speaker 3>spider web of a list that shows like all these

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<v Speaker 3>different things. And I was I was just looking at

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<v Speaker 3>it for maybe a you know, just a little a

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<v Speaker 3>little something that maybe, all right, well, you know what, well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll do a deep dive into one of these things

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<v Speaker 3>maybe if I find them to be interesting or good

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<v Speaker 3>enough rabbit hole to really go into. And I was

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<v Speaker 3>going into one, and I was like, you know what

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I can't speak on Christianity as well as

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<v Speaker 3>most other people, so I'm not going to go into

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<v Speaker 3>that one. But this one, I thought, you know, what

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<v Speaker 3>we'd referenced in so many times, and what we're going

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<v Speaker 3>to be getting into today is the symbolism behind the fish.

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<v Speaker 2>Hat, behind the Pope's fish hat.

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<v Speaker 3>Dude, the fish hat. Yes, you forget what.

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<v Speaker 1>It's actually called. I looked it up once upon a time.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a fancy word for it. It's like a stove top.

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<v Speaker 1>No no, no, no, no, that's like it's like a

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<v Speaker 1>top hat.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a headdress essentially, but.

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<v Speaker 1>The wording for it, there's fancy words for every little thing,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>So I forget what it was, but I remember looking

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<v Speaker 2>it up.

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<v Speaker 1>But affectionately it has been called the fish hat, and uh, yeah, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna be honest, I've never really looked into it.

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<v Speaker 2>I just know it's a thing that they wear.

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<v Speaker 1>It looks very similar to some things that we see

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<v Speaker 1>in certain pictorial you know, demonstrations of things from the past,

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<v Speaker 1>But who's to say where it really came from, how

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<v Speaker 1>it made its way to Rome, to the Vatican, to

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<v Speaker 1>the Holy See.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm very interested to see how where this goes. Brother,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna lie.

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<v Speaker 3>So we know that Christianity, and probably more so Catholicism,

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<v Speaker 3>they pull a lot from pagan deities and pagan traditions

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<v Speaker 3>and what not like that in order to be able

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<v Speaker 3>to include everybody, make it a more inclusive religion. However,

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<v Speaker 3>you think that most of that kind of stuff would

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<v Speaker 3>really die off over the ages, because all you're really

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<v Speaker 3>trying to do is just bring those pagans in. There's

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<v Speaker 3>not very many pagans worldwide anymore, not as much as

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<v Speaker 3>there used to be, and I mean especially not the

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<v Speaker 3>United States. I mean you might have certain people say, oh,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pagan in nature, which that's fine, you know, but

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<v Speaker 3>most people that are into paganism, especially nowadays, it's more

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<v Speaker 3>so for not what it used to be. I think

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<v Speaker 3>for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>No, because these days it's all about vibes and intent.

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<v Speaker 1>Like back in the day, when you would sacrifice a

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<v Speaker 1>goat to whatever deity you were worshiping, you weren't doing

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<v Speaker 1>it for the good feelings that it gives you of.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe this is no.

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<v Speaker 1>You were sacrificing this goat because this god wanted it,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was like an understood thing. But so much

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<v Speaker 1>that's been lost to history, so much that's been lost

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<v Speaker 1>to translation that these days people who are trying to

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<v Speaker 1>do neopaganism and no shade Throne, by the way, it's

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<v Speaker 1>that they're kind of left to their own devices and

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<v Speaker 1>left to source for themselves based off of what may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not be a broken translation of a fragment

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<v Speaker 1>of something that made it through. So the paganism of

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<v Speaker 1>back in the day, and I'm not saying it was

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<v Speaker 1>more evil or more blessed either way it goes. But

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<v Speaker 1>I will agree with you one hundred percent, it was different.

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<v Speaker 1>It was done differently, with a whole different ethos behind it.

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<v Speaker 3>I would think, Yeah, people nowadays aren't going up to

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<v Speaker 3>a top of a mountain and sacrificing their kid. It's

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<v Speaker 3>just not going to happen. I mean, at least not

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<v Speaker 3>anybody that I'm aware of anyway.

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<v Speaker 1>That's pretty much frowned upon by most of the societ

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<v Speaker 1>these days. But I mean, I'm sure there's some people

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<v Speaker 1>out there still doing it. Hell, we find all these

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<v Speaker 1>examples of these crazy Christian cults beating kids to death

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<v Speaker 1>and shit, and it's these weird spinoff denominations. But it's like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>our pastors said it was okay, come to find out,

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<v Speaker 1>like a whole cult situation. So like, things do happen,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's not like a fundamental part of any organized

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<v Speaker 1>religion these days, at least that we know of.

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<v Speaker 3>For yeah, Well, and what they're doing is they're saying

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<v Speaker 3>that their kids need exercise because they have a demon

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<v Speaker 3>inside of them. Meanwhile, it's just an excuse to literally

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<v Speaker 3>beat the life out of them. So right, some people

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<v Speaker 3>definitely take it too far. I know that like one,

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<v Speaker 3>one person or one group doesn't represent an entire organization,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't resent, it doesn't represent any form of what you

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<v Speaker 3>believe in. So I get that I'm separating that I'm not.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't, you know, associate that with it. But however,

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<v Speaker 3>let's get over to the Pope the Vatican, because I

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<v Speaker 3>do believe that all roads lead back to Rome. And

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<v Speaker 3>in a time where most people are are saying that

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<v Speaker 3>the Jews run the world, there is one of my

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<v Speaker 3>favorite people, one of the greatest conspiracy researchers of all time.

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<v Speaker 3>If you haven't checked him out, and he's you know,

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<v Speaker 3>unfortunately passed away, But Jordan Maxwell is really the one

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<v Speaker 3>that started mixing this pot for me. If you haven't, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>Hold on Jordan Maxwell. He didn't die just very recently,

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<v Speaker 1>Why do I get the feeling that videos I've seen

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, all right, I'm with you. I'm with there's

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<v Speaker 1>But it's kind of like that old George Carlin bit

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<v Speaker 2>Doesn't give a fuck about you. It's a big club.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like one of those models logs as there's like

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<v Speaker 2>This is gonna be a good episode, dude.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, oh yeah. And so we're gonna be bringing

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<v Speaker 3>your right. Maybe the priest or, the priest or, the

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<v Speaker 3>you know, to separate yourself from evil, because that's exactly

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<v Speaker 3>They are not worshiping Jesus, they're not worshiping God, well

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<v Speaker 3>we appreciate all the good cult members keeping that third

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<v Speaker 3>eye all the way open and tuning into just about

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<v Speaker 3>every episode. Y'all are some savages. I mean, that's why

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<v Speaker 3>we call y'all family, because we do are all savages

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<v Speaker 1>We literally do this for y'all cause y'all, y'all are

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon, like you said, it is the best way to

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<v Speaker 2>I've caught up, I've called up, and.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll get that on it. So look, come message us

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<v Speaker 2>You will get me.

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<v Speaker 1>Directly, all right, and then by therefore both of us,

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<v Speaker 1>because when something's directed to Jonathan, I send it his

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<v Speaker 3>Here we go, yes, all right, So if you're on

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<v Speaker 3>is the representation of Dagon or a Dagon priest on

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<v Speaker 3>the left, and you can clearly see absolutely like representing

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<v Speaker 3>a fish. Right. He has the fish hat and it

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<v Speaker 3>goes all the way down the rest of his back

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<v Speaker 1>I was gonna say so, looking at the way the

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<v Speaker 1>dominantly in Egyptian hieroglyphs. The head is turned to the side,

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<v Speaker 1>The hipster towards the front, but that's been made famous

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<v Speaker 1>from Egyptian hieroglyphs. There have been other cultures that have

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<v Speaker 1>had etchings and hieroglyphs done in a similar fashion.

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<v Speaker 2>This was seen as the positioning of the gods.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the way that the gods wanted to be

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<v Speaker 1>emulated on stone. Therefore, allegedly, and this is the word

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<v Speaker 1>but that is the way that that etching has been

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<v Speaker 3>Well, this picture is actually the dagons. It actually stems

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<v Speaker 3>from ancient Babylonia. There you go, so this is this

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<v Speaker 3>is before the Bible was written. But yeah, where you

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<v Speaker 3>know where they get a lot of stuff from. So

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of just wanted to show that. And then

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<v Speaker 3>you see over here the the pope with the fish hat.

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<v Speaker 3>And yes, I mean you'll see different iterations of this, uh,

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<v Speaker 3>this papal headdress, but this papal is I thought it

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<v Speaker 3>was anyway, papal whatever. I don't know this shit, You're.

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<v Speaker 1>Fine, This is all this is all words that like

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<v Speaker 1>two hundred years ago, everybody knew how to say these

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<v Speaker 1>things correctly. Now it's like most people don't know much

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<v Speaker 3>I get it, papal, papal, whatever tomato to anyway, you

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<v Speaker 3>get the point. The point is is that this head

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<v Speaker 3>iterations of it, and actually some of them you'll see,

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<v Speaker 3>you need it doesn't take a large amount of imagination

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<v Speaker 3>you can clearly see it's absolutely a fishead, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, look, I've looked at the pictures of the

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<v Speaker 3>So it stems from the ancient fish god called Dagon.

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<v Speaker 3>And which you'll see. Dude, you're I'm telling you, if

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<v Speaker 3>chest whenever you see the symbolism in all of this

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<v Speaker 3>and all dude, the etymology of the word Dagon itself,

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<v Speaker 3>who Dagon is related to? It is biblical, it is

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<v Speaker 3>It's astronomical the connections that are going to be made

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<v Speaker 3>and how they're carrying through like this, this tradition and

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<v Speaker 3>maybe maybe it's just tradition. Maybe they don't mean anything

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<v Speaker 3>by it. I don't buy it. They don't do anything

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<v Speaker 3>without reason.

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<v Speaker 1>This is one of the roasts you said, carrying it through.

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<v Speaker 1>What's in your boy Dagon's hand. There is that that

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<v Speaker 1>bag that we see in every type of etching across

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<v Speaker 2>Other or not. Yeah, yeah, one of what he's carrying on,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's a different story for a different time. I

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<v Speaker 3>would love to get into that at some point. But

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<v Speaker 3>but and over rate here too. This is kind of

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<v Speaker 3>another example right here. Yeah, the priest God and the

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<v Speaker 3>religion meter. I believe it's how it said, or miter

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<v Speaker 3>mi meter anyway, it's m I t r e. I've

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<v Speaker 3>heard it pronounced different ways in different videos and stuff

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<v Speaker 3>like that, but you can see right here another representation

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<v Speaker 3>of it. So now you could just be saying, well, Jonathan,

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<v Speaker 3>I know that you just run a conspiracy podcast. Of

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<v Speaker 3>course you're gonna be connecting strings that don't necessarily belong.

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<v Speaker 3>Shame on you for even thinking that. Don't question the almighty. No,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just kidding out.

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<v Speaker 2>Who getting derailed here.

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<v Speaker 3>So so let's get over to this first website and

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<v Speaker 3>we're gonna get to know your boy Dagon a little bit,

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<v Speaker 3>A little bit of a backstory here. This is by

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<v Speaker 3>the uh the website called symbolsage dot com, and it

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<v Speaker 3>says the fish in the Field Dagon's dualistic symbols explored. Now,

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<v Speaker 3>this is gonna give a really good interpretation of who

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<v Speaker 3>this Dagon character is. Is it evil? Is it is

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<v Speaker 3>it good? Maybe it's pure, maybe it's holly and wholesome.

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<v Speaker 3>Let's find out. We're talking about a fucking merman here, dude, right,

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<v Speaker 3>I was about to say it looks like an ancient merman.

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<v Speaker 3>We've seen this picture before when we bring up references

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<v Speaker 3>of things. We've talked about it before, but I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 3>be honest, I don't think we've ever actually done a

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<v Speaker 2>We've just kind of referenced them.

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<v Speaker 1>We did the Starbucks talk before, and like apparently that

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<v Speaker 2>We've never actually gone into it.

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<v Speaker 3>Brother, let's go, let's go. So who was Dagon? It

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<v Speaker 3>says Dagon was the Semitic god of agriculture, crops, and

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<v Speaker 3>the fertility of the land. His worship spread through several

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<v Speaker 3>regions of ancient Middle East. In Hebrew and Eugaridic, his

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<v Speaker 3>name stands for grain or corn, symbolizing his tight connections

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<v Speaker 3>to the harvest. Some sources propose that Dagon was the

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<v Speaker 3>inventor of the plow. Apart from the Philistines, Dagon was

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<v Speaker 3>a central god for the Canaanites.

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<v Speaker 1>The Canaanites, who we know for sure were the type

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<v Speaker 1>that would sacrifice their children into that Moloch.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, there you go, so you're already seeing why would

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<v Speaker 3>the pope be associating himself with the god of the Canaanites,

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<v Speaker 3>Because correct me if I'm wrong. The Canaanites were the

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<v Speaker 3>bad guys, aren't they.

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<v Speaker 2>It depends on the source, right, depends on the source.

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<v Speaker 1>If you are reading from Abrahamic texts, and if you

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<v Speaker 1>are somebody that gets down with the Judeo Christian or

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic viewpoint of things, then yes, the Canaanites were potentially

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<v Speaker 1>maybe just you know, people who didn't belong in this

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<v Speaker 1>area and or half nephelum demon beings at giants, like

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<v Speaker 1>all of the worst things you could say about a

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<v Speaker 2>So and again that was one of their gods. We

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<v Speaker 2>talked about Moloch before, We've talked about bail before. But

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<v Speaker 2>they had a.

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<v Speaker 1>Pantheon of gods the same way that Rome. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>their gods were the good and gentle type that were

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<v Speaker 1>mean it very varied, right, God to god, So Dagon,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see if he required some crazy sacrifices or was

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<v Speaker 1>he a god that just like was here to party?

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<v Speaker 2>Was he the dionices? Dude? Was he here to give

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<v Speaker 2>wine and happiness? Who knows?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, which you know. And there's and that's

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<v Speaker 3>the thing is that all through time there's been different

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<v Speaker 3>interpretations of these gods and maybe they've changed names, maybe

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<v Speaker 3>they changed cities. And you can see this really all

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<v Speaker 3>throughout theology in general, that it's just converting and it's

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<v Speaker 3>and it's appeasing certain peoples at certain times, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>still relating back to the same origin story. So the

420
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<v Speaker 3>fact that you're even bringing up Dionysus is hilarious for this.

421
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<v Speaker 2>Oh God, did I nail it?

422
00:21:39.440 --> 00:21:42.359
<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, I'm just saying that the symbolism behind it,

423
00:21:42.359 --> 00:21:45.200
<v Speaker 3>it's it's all encompassing. And so anyway, which is why

424
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<v Speaker 3>I'm fascinated with theology in general, because you can start

425
00:21:48.599 --> 00:21:54.079
<v Speaker 3>to see how certain stories they evolve over time. But anyway,

426
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<v Speaker 3>all right, So getting back to Dagon here, it says

427
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<v Speaker 3>several sources differ about the origin of his name. To some,

428
00:22:00.319 --> 00:22:04.319
<v Speaker 3>the name Dagon comes from Hebrew and Eugartic roots, yet

429
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<v Speaker 3>he has associations with the Canaanite word for fish as well,

430
00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.400
<v Speaker 3>and several of his depictions show him as a half

431
00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:15.279
<v Speaker 3>fish half man god. His name also has connections to

432
00:22:15.319 --> 00:22:19.119
<v Speaker 3>the root DGN. So I guess without the vowels, it's

433
00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:22.279
<v Speaker 3>just Dagon without the vowels, which had to do with

434
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<v Speaker 3>the clouds and the weather.

435
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<v Speaker 1>Interesting, so fish and clouds and weather could all be

436
00:22:30.200 --> 00:22:33.559
<v Speaker 1>the same because again, that language didn't have vowel noises, right,

437
00:22:33.559 --> 00:22:35.559
<v Speaker 1>that was the Phoenician language, so they just kind of

438
00:22:35.599 --> 00:22:39.680
<v Speaker 1>inferred vowel sounds. DGN could have meant any of those things.

439
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<v Speaker 1>Very fascinating.

440
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<v Speaker 3>So the origins of Dagon go back to twenty five

441
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<v Speaker 3>hundred BC, when people from Syria and Mesopotamia started his worship.

442
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<v Speaker 3>In the ancient Middle East and the Canaanite pantheon, Dagon

443
00:22:52.039 --> 00:22:54.680
<v Speaker 3>was one of the most powerful gods, only second to

444
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<v Speaker 3>l He was the son of the god Anu and

445
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<v Speaker 3>presided over the fatilla of the land. So interesting. A

446
00:23:02.279 --> 00:23:05.359
<v Speaker 3>lot of people will say Anu and Anaki. Who knows,

447
00:23:05.400 --> 00:23:06.680
<v Speaker 3>We're just speculating here.

448
00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:10.599
<v Speaker 1>So he was a fish god who was about fertility

449
00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:11.680
<v Speaker 1>of the land as well.

450
00:23:12.160 --> 00:23:14.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, yeah, kind of all encompassing. He wasn't just

451
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<v Speaker 3>one of those gods that was good for one thing

452
00:23:16.079 --> 00:23:18.759
<v Speaker 3>he was. He was good for several things, but known

453
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<v Speaker 3>as the fish god.

454
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<v Speaker 1>That's why I'm trying to like make sure I get

455
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<v Speaker 1>it all the whole picture here. So he was the

456
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<v Speaker 1>god of fish, or at least this symbol of and

457
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<v Speaker 1>I'm assuming there was some sort of ocean connection. He

458
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<v Speaker 1>was also the god of rain and weather, they said earlier,

459
00:23:32.920 --> 00:23:35.880
<v Speaker 1>like the clouds, and then those clouds do in fact

460
00:23:36.279 --> 00:23:39.200
<v Speaker 1>rain on two fields to produce crops, so to say

461
00:23:39.240 --> 00:23:41.359
<v Speaker 1>that he was a god of the fertility of the

462
00:23:41.440 --> 00:23:44.759
<v Speaker 1>land as well through being a fish. Okay, I'm with you.

463
00:23:44.799 --> 00:23:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I'm just making sure I got it all all strung together.

464
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<v Speaker 3>And possibly where the whole idea of the plow the

465
00:23:50.279 --> 00:23:53.799
<v Speaker 3>harvest plow came in from in the first place, too, Okay,

466
00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.359
<v Speaker 3>so interesting, But it says he was the son of

467
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<v Speaker 3>the god Anu and presided over the fertility of the

468
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<v Speaker 3>Some sources propose that the Canaanites imported Dagon from the

469
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<v Speaker 3>mythology of Babylonia. Dagon started losing importance for the Canaanites,

470
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<v Speaker 3>but he reminded it or he remained a major god

471
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<v Speaker 3>for the Philistines. When people from Crete arrived in Palestine,

472
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<v Speaker 3>they adopted Dagon as an important deity. He appears in

473
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:23.039
<v Speaker 3>the Hebrew Scriptures as a primordial deity of the Philistines,

474
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<v Speaker 3>where he was associated with death in the underworld. So

475
00:24:26.519 --> 00:24:29.200
<v Speaker 3>now they're just stacking shit on top of this guy

476
00:24:29.279 --> 00:24:31.119
<v Speaker 3>like as far as his characteristics go.

477
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<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, the Philistines, I have not mistaken. That's what

478
00:24:34.440 --> 00:24:37.039
<v Speaker 1>Goliath was a part of. So this was one of

479
00:24:37.079 --> 00:24:39.119
<v Speaker 1>Goliath's pantheon of gods.

480
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<v Speaker 3>Deagon's consort was known as Bilatu. But he's also associated

481
00:24:44.079 --> 00:24:49.000
<v Speaker 3>with the goddess Nanshi, who was a fishing and fertility goddess.

482
00:24:49.160 --> 00:24:53.440
<v Speaker 3>Dagon is also associated with the goddess Shahla or Eshara.

483
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<v Speaker 3>So you see all the different connections here, But this

484
00:24:57.119 --> 00:24:59.960
<v Speaker 3>one might tickle your pickle here a little bit. Dagon

485
00:25:00.279 --> 00:25:02.400
<v Speaker 3>and the Ark of the Covenant.

486
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I can already see where the article's going, but

487
00:25:05.319 --> 00:25:06.960
<v Speaker 1>all right, I'm curious, and.

488
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<v Speaker 3>This is actually written in the Bible. I checked it

489
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<v Speaker 3>as well, that actually the Ark of the Covenant at

490
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<v Speaker 3>one time was held in the Temple of Dagon.

491
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<v Speaker 2>Was it after it was taken over or something, Well,

492
00:25:18.000 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 2>it was.

493
00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:20.839
<v Speaker 3>Held in the Temple of Dagon. And I'm not trying

494
00:25:20.880 --> 00:25:22.720
<v Speaker 3>to blow the whole story here yet, but the Temple

495
00:25:22.759 --> 00:25:25.440
<v Speaker 3>of Dagon it housed the Ark of the Covenant because

496
00:25:25.440 --> 00:25:28.160
<v Speaker 3>they stole it, and whenever they stole it, people were

497
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<v Speaker 3>going in there and trying to remove the blanket that

498
00:25:30.240 --> 00:25:32.480
<v Speaker 3>was covering it up. And I guess the first person

499
00:25:32.519 --> 00:25:34.279
<v Speaker 3>that went to go take the blanket off to really

500
00:25:34.279 --> 00:25:36.640
<v Speaker 3>see the Ark of the Covenant fucking died as soon

501
00:25:36.680 --> 00:25:39.279
<v Speaker 3>as he touched this blanket, right, That's how that works.

502
00:25:39.599 --> 00:25:41.559
<v Speaker 3>And so how the Ark of the Covenant works. And

503
00:25:41.599 --> 00:25:43.839
<v Speaker 3>so the Temple of Dagon was like, get this out

504
00:25:43.839 --> 00:25:45.920
<v Speaker 3>of here. We don't want it, we don't like we

505
00:25:46.279 --> 00:25:48.920
<v Speaker 3>And these were these were people that they worshiped the

506
00:25:48.920 --> 00:25:51.440
<v Speaker 3>god Dagon, and so they were bringing this Arc of

507
00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:55.720
<v Speaker 3>the Covenant to their god because they were like, all right, well,

508
00:25:55.720 --> 00:25:57.720
<v Speaker 3>our God is the one true God, and if we

509
00:25:57.839 --> 00:26:01.480
<v Speaker 3>bring in, you know, the the Hebrew God, well it's

510
00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:03.559
<v Speaker 3>just going to show that our God has more power

511
00:26:03.599 --> 00:26:06.640
<v Speaker 3>than the Hebrew God. So and then they started touching

512
00:26:06.640 --> 00:26:08.359
<v Speaker 3>it and they were like, ah, fuck this, I changed

513
00:26:08.359 --> 00:26:08.759
<v Speaker 3>my mind.

514
00:26:09.279 --> 00:26:12.079
<v Speaker 2>That's great. I actually did not know this story.

515
00:26:12.279 --> 00:26:14.119
<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, So anyway, we'll get to it right here.

516
00:26:14.119 --> 00:26:16.839
<v Speaker 3>And it actually shows the Bible verse, but it says,

517
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:21.319
<v Speaker 3>according to the scriptures, the Philistines. Is this Philistines or Philistines.

518
00:26:21.119 --> 00:26:22.440
<v Speaker 2>I've heard it pronounced both ways.

519
00:26:22.480 --> 00:26:25.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be honest with you, Okay, the Philistines stole

520
00:26:25.400 --> 00:26:28.279
<v Speaker 3>the ark of the Covenant from the Israelites, the tablet

521
00:26:28.359 --> 00:26:31.319
<v Speaker 3>which held the Ten Commandments. The Israelites had carried it

522
00:26:31.359 --> 00:26:33.720
<v Speaker 3>through the desert for forty years as they wandered around.

523
00:26:33.960 --> 00:26:36.160
<v Speaker 3>When the Philistines stole it, they took it to the

524
00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.240
<v Speaker 3>Temple of Dagon. According to the Hebrew Bible, on the

525
00:26:39.319 --> 00:26:41.640
<v Speaker 3>first night that the arc was placed in the temple,

526
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:46.359
<v Speaker 3>the statue of Dagon was in the temple fell. The

527
00:26:46.400 --> 00:26:49.240
<v Speaker 3>Philistines thought that it was nothing but a misfortune, so

528
00:26:49.319 --> 00:26:52.279
<v Speaker 3>they replaced the statue. The following day, the image of

529
00:26:52.359 --> 00:26:57.640
<v Speaker 3>Dagon appeared decapitated. The Philistines took the ark to other cities,

530
00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:00.759
<v Speaker 3>where it also caused different problems. In the end, they

531
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.400
<v Speaker 3>returned it to the Israelites with other gifts. In the Bible,

532
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.200
<v Speaker 3>this is mentioned, all right, So this is where a

533
00:27:08.240 --> 00:27:14.759
<v Speaker 3>lot of this, this whole Dagon stuff really stems from Samuel. Okay,

534
00:27:15.079 --> 00:27:19.400
<v Speaker 3>so this is first Samuel chapter is it chapter five,

535
00:27:19.519 --> 00:27:21.279
<v Speaker 3>section two, or how do you say that again?

536
00:27:21.799 --> 00:27:25.000
<v Speaker 2>All right? First Samuel chapter eight versus two.

537
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:28.440
<v Speaker 3>Through chapter chapter eight, verses two through five.

538
00:27:29.400 --> 00:27:30.960
<v Speaker 2>All right, Yeah, that's chapter.

539
00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 3>Eight, chapter five, versus two.

540
00:27:32.880 --> 00:27:35.559
<v Speaker 2>First Samuel, chapter five, verses two through five.

541
00:27:35.599 --> 00:27:38.039
<v Speaker 3>Here we go, and it says it says, then the

542
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Philistines took the ark of God and brought it to

543
00:27:40.720 --> 00:27:43.759
<v Speaker 3>the house of Dagon and said it by Dagon. When

544
00:27:43.799 --> 00:27:49.880
<v Speaker 3>the Ashdodites Asdidites. Oh, anyway, when the Asdidites arose early

545
00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 3>the next morning, behold, Dagan had fallen, or Dagon had

546
00:27:53.799 --> 00:27:56.119
<v Speaker 3>fallen on his face to the ground before the ark

547
00:27:56.119 --> 00:27:59.240
<v Speaker 3>of the Lord. So they took Dagon uh and set

548
00:27:59.319 --> 00:28:02.000
<v Speaker 3>him in his place again. But when they arose early

549
00:28:02.039 --> 00:28:05.240
<v Speaker 3>the next morning, behold, Dagon had fallen on his face

550
00:28:05.759 --> 00:28:08.000
<v Speaker 3>to the ground before the ark of the Lord, and

551
00:28:08.359 --> 00:28:10.720
<v Speaker 3>in the head of Dagon, and both the palms of

552
00:28:10.759 --> 00:28:14.240
<v Speaker 3>his hands were cut off on the threshold. Only the

553
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:18.000
<v Speaker 3>trunk of Dagon was left to him. Therefore, neither the

554
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:21.519
<v Speaker 3>priest of Dagon nor all who enter Dagon's house tread

555
00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:24.880
<v Speaker 3>on the threshold of Dagon and Ashdod to this day.

556
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:26.759
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

557
00:28:26.920 --> 00:28:28.160
<v Speaker 3>Pretty cool story, right.

558
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:30.640
<v Speaker 1>I mean, and I'm not as over here, just like

559
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.759
<v Speaker 1>not what you're good No, no, no, no, I understand, like

560
00:28:34.119 --> 00:28:37.960
<v Speaker 1>outside looking in that sounds ridiculous, But when multiple sources

561
00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:42.640
<v Speaker 1>from both sides agree that these things took place, it's like, ooh, okay,

562
00:28:42.680 --> 00:28:43.960
<v Speaker 1>so the Ark of the Covenant's got.

563
00:28:43.960 --> 00:28:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Some real shit with it. It's it really.

564
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:49.839
<v Speaker 3>Does right right, and I'm that still baffles me to

565
00:28:49.880 --> 00:28:51.640
<v Speaker 3>this day. I'm still trying to figure out the whole

566
00:28:51.680 --> 00:28:55.599
<v Speaker 3>arc of the Covenant, but it definitely shows that through uh,

567
00:28:55.799 --> 00:28:59.640
<v Speaker 3>through generations, through different peoples around the world, the story

568
00:28:59.680 --> 00:29:03.920
<v Speaker 3>remains the same. It is pretty, it is a wild artifact,

569
00:29:04.160 --> 00:29:07.559
<v Speaker 3>and it may be in Trump's house, so anyway, maybe

570
00:29:07.599 --> 00:29:08.279
<v Speaker 3>it very well.

571
00:29:08.359 --> 00:29:10.319
<v Speaker 1>Maybe I have yet to see a picture of someone

572
00:29:10.359 --> 00:29:11.599
<v Speaker 1>touching it, That's all I'm saying.

573
00:29:12.119 --> 00:29:14.920
<v Speaker 3>So the worship of Dagon, and by the way, that

574
00:29:15.079 --> 00:29:17.759
<v Speaker 3>was like a picture or a statue, or I think

575
00:29:17.799 --> 00:29:21.440
<v Speaker 3>that it was a statue that was representing Dagon. So

576
00:29:21.680 --> 00:29:24.119
<v Speaker 3>you know, people way back in the day they always

577
00:29:24.160 --> 00:29:27.480
<v Speaker 3>worshiped statues and just dumb little shit like that. But

578
00:29:27.640 --> 00:29:32.000
<v Speaker 3>even even the statue which represented this god couldn't handle

579
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:33.839
<v Speaker 3>being in the presence of the Ark of the Covenant,

580
00:29:33.839 --> 00:29:38.039
<v Speaker 3>which just goes to show the power from that whatever

581
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:39.440
<v Speaker 3>that trunk was.

582
00:29:40.039 --> 00:29:42.799
<v Speaker 2>It was, for the record, that's the power of the

583
00:29:42.799 --> 00:29:43.200
<v Speaker 2>God of.

584
00:29:43.160 --> 00:29:47.559
<v Speaker 3>Abraham, so the story goes. But anyway, so the worship

585
00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:50.279
<v Speaker 3>of Dagon here it says although Dagon was an important

586
00:29:50.279 --> 00:29:53.319
<v Speaker 3>deity in the ancient Middle East. His central place was

587
00:29:53.759 --> 00:29:56.680
<v Speaker 3>His central place of worship was Palestine. He was a

588
00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.640
<v Speaker 3>major god for the Philistines and a fundamental figure in

589
00:29:59.680 --> 00:30:03.000
<v Speaker 3>their antheon. Deagon was an essential god in the Palestine

590
00:30:03.039 --> 00:30:10.599
<v Speaker 3>cities of Gaza, Azotus and Ashkalan Okay, since the Philistines

591
00:30:10.640 --> 00:30:13.680
<v Speaker 3>were the main antagonists and the stories of the Israelites.

592
00:30:13.960 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 3>Dagon appears in the Bible outside Palestine, Palestine, Palestine. I

593
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.279
<v Speaker 3>keep on bouncing back with.

594
00:30:20.240 --> 00:30:22.799
<v Speaker 2>That Palestine, that's Palestine today.

595
00:30:23.680 --> 00:30:27.119
<v Speaker 3>Outside Palestine, Dagon was also an essential god in the

596
00:30:27.119 --> 00:30:32.039
<v Speaker 3>Phoenician city of Arvad. Dagon had several other names and

597
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.359
<v Speaker 3>domains depending on his place of warship. Apart from the Bible,

598
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:40.039
<v Speaker 3>Deagon also appears in the tel El Amarna letters as well,

599
00:30:40.039 --> 00:30:43.400
<v Speaker 3>which I don't know what that is. So Dagon as

600
00:30:43.440 --> 00:30:45.640
<v Speaker 3>the fish god, it says some sources believe that Deagon

601
00:30:45.799 --> 00:30:52.400
<v Speaker 3>was the first Merman to exist, Mermian merh Man. The

602
00:30:52.480 --> 00:30:55.440
<v Speaker 3>tradition of the deities associated with the fish spread through

603
00:30:55.440 --> 00:31:00.839
<v Speaker 3>many religions. Christianity, Phoenician religion, Roman mythology, and also Babylonian

604
00:31:00.839 --> 00:31:05.079
<v Speaker 3>gods were associated with fish symbolism. This animal represented fertility

605
00:31:05.119 --> 00:31:08.799
<v Speaker 3>and goddess or in goodness, as Dagon did in this sense.

606
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:11.799
<v Speaker 3>The most famous depictions of Dagon are in his role

607
00:31:11.880 --> 00:31:14.000
<v Speaker 3>of the Fish God. So this is kind of just

608
00:31:14.119 --> 00:31:17.440
<v Speaker 3>like a little background story about who this character is

609
00:31:17.480 --> 00:31:20.960
<v Speaker 3>and what he represents. Okay, all right, So it's still

610
00:31:21.000 --> 00:31:23.440
<v Speaker 3>being represented in modern times that you'll see it all

611
00:31:23.480 --> 00:31:27.160
<v Speaker 3>throughout games and TV shows and stuff like that. Dagon

612
00:31:27.319 --> 00:31:29.839
<v Speaker 3>is the main character in the game Dungeons and Dragons

613
00:31:29.880 --> 00:31:31.039
<v Speaker 3>as the Demon Lord.

614
00:31:32.119 --> 00:31:32.400
<v Speaker 2>Really.

615
00:31:32.799 --> 00:31:36.480
<v Speaker 3>In the movie Conan the Destroyer, the antagonist is based

616
00:31:36.599 --> 00:31:41.680
<v Speaker 3>on Dagon as well. In the series Buffy the Vampire

617
00:31:41.759 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 3>Slater Uh, the Order of Dagon also delivered an important role, okay,

618
00:31:47.359 --> 00:31:50.240
<v Speaker 3>And and he appeared in several other TV shows like

619
00:31:50.519 --> 00:31:54.920
<v Speaker 3>Guillermo del Toro's The Shape of Water, The Blade Trinity,

620
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.400
<v Speaker 3>which is pretty interesting, Supernatural and even there and even

621
00:31:59.440 --> 00:32:01.319
<v Speaker 3>the kids show called Ben Ten.

622
00:32:03.039 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 1>Okay, now, that's pretty crazy that we get a shout

623
00:32:05.039 --> 00:32:08.559
<v Speaker 1>out in Ben Ten Supernatural I saw coming a mile away.

624
00:32:08.720 --> 00:32:11.359
<v Speaker 1>I think you'd be hard pressed to find any cryptid

625
00:32:11.599 --> 00:32:14.400
<v Speaker 1>or religious deity of any type that hasn't had an

626
00:32:14.480 --> 00:32:19.720
<v Speaker 1>episode on Supernatural done with its so Okay, so Dagon

627
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<v Speaker 1>is not just like relegated to the sands of history.

628
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<v Speaker 1>There are some some callbacks to it even in our

629
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<v Speaker 1>modern day.

630
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<v Speaker 2>I like it, dude.

631
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<v Speaker 3>And it gets even crazier too, because it says in literature,

632
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<v Speaker 3>perhaps his most important influence was an HP. Lovecraft's short

633
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<v Speaker 3>story called Dagon. And it's believed that several characters by

634
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<v Speaker 3>George R. R. Martin and a Song of Ice and

635
00:32:43.279 --> 00:32:46.519
<v Speaker 3>Fire derived from this short story and thus from Dagon.

636
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:50.160
<v Speaker 3>So there you go with Game of Thrones, right, and

637
00:32:50.480 --> 00:32:53.599
<v Speaker 3>they're always talking about dragons. It's the Mother of Dragons,

638
00:32:54.000 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 3>her finn ass. But like you know, Dagon, dragon, is

639
00:32:58.200 --> 00:33:00.279
<v Speaker 3>there a connection there? Some people have drawn the connection.

640
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<v Speaker 3>We will possibly get to that today as a matter

641
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<v Speaker 3>of fact.

642
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<v Speaker 1>I mean, what in Dagon one of the Targarians or

643
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<v Speaker 1>some shit that sounds like a name that sounds like

644
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<v Speaker 1>a Game of Thrones first dame.

645
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I think there was a Dagon.

646
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:14.160
<v Speaker 2>I know there was an Agon.

647
00:33:15.200 --> 00:33:17.039
<v Speaker 3>There was definitely an Egon. Yeah, they had a bunch

648
00:33:17.039 --> 00:33:20.319
<v Speaker 3>of weird names like that. But anyway, it says, apart

649
00:33:20.359 --> 00:33:23.079
<v Speaker 3>from this, Dagon appears, and well he appears in a

650
00:33:23.079 --> 00:33:26.039
<v Speaker 3>bunch of other shit. But basically you'll see that he's

651
00:33:26.079 --> 00:33:28.319
<v Speaker 3>even still to this day being represented or it.

652
00:33:29.200 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I mean the other let's say it's a he,

653
00:33:31.599 --> 00:33:31.960
<v Speaker 2>isn't it.

654
00:33:33.480 --> 00:33:35.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I believe so, because it's a it's a merman.

655
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah yeah, Okay, just making sure because there are certain

656
00:33:38.680 --> 00:33:41.519
<v Speaker 1>gods that people will claim could swap between and all

657
00:33:41.519 --> 00:33:43.839
<v Speaker 1>of that, to just make sure this was a male

658
00:33:44.680 --> 00:33:46.160
<v Speaker 1>figure in this culture.

659
00:33:46.319 --> 00:33:46.640
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

660
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<v Speaker 3>So now I want to get to because we talk

661
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.680
<v Speaker 3>about how a lot of these traditions carry over in

662
00:33:52.759 --> 00:33:56.359
<v Speaker 3>different regions of the world and whatnot. And you'll also

663
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<v Speaker 3>see that the dagon fish god was also being re

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<v Speaker 3>presented in Persia and it was known as Owanis And

665
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know if it's Owanness or OAN's. I think

666
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<v Speaker 3>it's Awantin.

667
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<v Speaker 1>I think Owanis is better like that. I was gonna

668
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:14.000
<v Speaker 1>say a good job on that one, because I would

669
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:15.840
<v Speaker 1>have been lost. I'd have called it owns the whole

670
00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:16.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking time.

671
00:34:17.239 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

672
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Anyway, but it says it's the evolution of the fish god,

673
00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:24.440
<v Speaker 3>and so it's pretty interesting. And so you'll see right here,

674
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.679
<v Speaker 3>if you're on patroon a rockfin that the Persian priest

675
00:34:28.079 --> 00:34:30.719
<v Speaker 3>awanest and you'll see that raid here that you'll have

676
00:34:30.800 --> 00:34:33.480
<v Speaker 3>the priest on either side of this person laying on

677
00:34:33.519 --> 00:34:37.800
<v Speaker 3>this table, and Egyptian style headdresses. Here we go.

678
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<v Speaker 2>So this is Persia. So this is in the Zoroastrian religion.

679
00:34:42.039 --> 00:34:42.599
<v Speaker 3>I believe so?

680
00:34:42.719 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 2>Or is this okay? Awesome?

681
00:34:45.159 --> 00:34:47.920
<v Speaker 3>Says The story of Iwanas was first documented by the

682
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:52.119
<v Speaker 3>Babylonian priest Barassis, who wrote three books on the history

683
00:34:52.119 --> 00:34:55.079
<v Speaker 3>and culture of Babylonia. His text served as as an

684
00:34:55.119 --> 00:34:58.719
<v Speaker 3>important source for later Greek historians, and thus his works

685
00:34:58.719 --> 00:35:02.679
<v Speaker 3>survive only in fragments. Of the many things Barasis provided

686
00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:07.039
<v Speaker 3>was his text on the fish god Alanis, who who

687
00:35:07.079 --> 00:35:10.320
<v Speaker 3>is said to have resided in the Persian Gulf. Awanis

688
00:35:10.639 --> 00:35:13.079
<v Speaker 3>was described to have the head of a fish and

689
00:35:13.119 --> 00:35:15.840
<v Speaker 3>the legs of a man, although in later times his

690
00:35:15.960 --> 00:35:18.760
<v Speaker 3>description might have shifted of that of the murhman and

691
00:35:18.880 --> 00:35:23.000
<v Speaker 3>mermaids we know today a human human's torso and a

692
00:35:23.039 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 3>fish's tail. However, if you look closely at the detail

693
00:35:25.960 --> 00:35:28.119
<v Speaker 3>on his head, you might notice that it is in

694
00:35:28.199 --> 00:35:31.440
<v Speaker 3>a sense a fish head. Had he rose from the

695
00:35:31.519 --> 00:35:35.320
<v Speaker 3>sea every morning and taught mankind writing, art, science, and

696
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:37.800
<v Speaker 3>then proceeded to go back into the oceans at night.

697
00:35:38.840 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 3>Ancient gods, no matter how ridiculous and unusual they may

698
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:44.440
<v Speaker 3>seem to us, do not die out with the kingdom

699
00:35:44.480 --> 00:35:48.159
<v Speaker 3>that they belonged to. Links between ancient religious deities are

700
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:53.119
<v Speaker 3>always present. For instance, Varuna, the water god of Vadism

701
00:35:53.239 --> 00:35:58.480
<v Speaker 3>and in Hindu mythology, is almost identical to Iwanas many times.

702
00:35:58.519 --> 00:36:01.719
<v Speaker 3>Awanas was also depicted when wearing an Egyptian style headdress

703
00:36:01.760 --> 00:36:04.280
<v Speaker 3>in the form of a fish rather than being half

704
00:36:04.360 --> 00:36:07.400
<v Speaker 3>human half fish. So this is Verana that you'll see

705
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:10.280
<v Speaker 3>in Hindu uhuh, pretty interesting.

706
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:10.599
<v Speaker 2>Okay.

707
00:36:10.639 --> 00:36:15.480
<v Speaker 1>So basically a mermaid deity would come up from the

708
00:36:15.559 --> 00:36:18.519
<v Speaker 1>water and teach people things and then return and then

709
00:36:18.639 --> 00:36:20.320
<v Speaker 1>just do that for a while to like share that

710
00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:25.519
<v Speaker 1>information and that knowledge and okay, very interesting.

711
00:36:25.880 --> 00:36:28.599
<v Speaker 2>When the Vetix had their own version of this, Okay.

712
00:36:28.920 --> 00:36:32.559
<v Speaker 3>Well, it gets even interesting er if you will. It

713
00:36:32.639 --> 00:36:35.800
<v Speaker 3>says the story of Awanis may even be where the

714
00:36:35.840 --> 00:36:39.840
<v Speaker 3>story of John the Baptist originated from. I'm not saying

715
00:36:39.880 --> 00:36:42.239
<v Speaker 3>that that's what it is. They're just speculating here, but

716
00:36:42.320 --> 00:36:45.119
<v Speaker 3>it says John the Baptist is mentioned in many Western

717
00:36:45.159 --> 00:36:48.719
<v Speaker 3>religious texts and is most widely known for his practice

718
00:36:48.719 --> 00:36:52.599
<v Speaker 3>of baptism to wash away all sins. Most visual depictions

719
00:36:52.599 --> 00:36:55.400
<v Speaker 3>of of John the Baptist show him near a body

720
00:36:55.440 --> 00:36:57.920
<v Speaker 3>of water. Thus there can only be a conclusion that

721
00:36:57.960 --> 00:37:00.239
<v Speaker 3>there is a clear connection between the ancient babbel Onney

722
00:37:00.239 --> 00:37:03.760
<v Speaker 3>and God of water and knowledge and John the Baptist.

723
00:37:04.119 --> 00:37:06.639
<v Speaker 3>So I know that that might seem like a reach whatever,

724
00:37:06.679 --> 00:37:09.360
<v Speaker 3>But if you're if you're getting this fish God coming

725
00:37:09.400 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 3>out and teaching you wisdom and teaching you all these

726
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.119
<v Speaker 3>different things, and then he goes back into the ocean.

727
00:37:14.360 --> 00:37:17.519
<v Speaker 3>I it's a it's a loose string to draw. I

728
00:37:17.559 --> 00:37:19.920
<v Speaker 3>get that, but it's just a fun little people.

729
00:37:19.639 --> 00:37:22.440
<v Speaker 1>Do this and I understand, right, But at the same time,

730
00:37:22.480 --> 00:37:27.760
<v Speaker 1>there's a difference between a historily historically backed person who

731
00:37:27.840 --> 00:37:31.199
<v Speaker 1>walked the earth like John the Baptist was a real dude.

732
00:37:31.559 --> 00:37:35.760
<v Speaker 1>He was imprisoned, that's documented. He was beheaded by a

733
00:37:35.880 --> 00:37:38.840
<v Speaker 1>king because his daughter asked for it on her birthday.

734
00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:42.239
<v Speaker 1>All of that's documented. Like, he's not a mythical creature,

735
00:37:42.800 --> 00:37:44.960
<v Speaker 1>but it's saying with Jesus though, it's like you Shoe

736
00:37:45.039 --> 00:37:47.920
<v Speaker 1>of Nazareth, documented person. But then there's still people that

737
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:49.639
<v Speaker 1>are like, yeah, but he's not like real and it's

738
00:37:49.679 --> 00:37:52.719
<v Speaker 1>like no, no, like Shroud of Tour end the documents

739
00:37:52.719 --> 00:37:53.679
<v Speaker 1>from Conscious Pilot.

740
00:37:53.719 --> 00:37:54.760
<v Speaker 2>He's a real dude.

741
00:37:55.280 --> 00:37:57.800
<v Speaker 1>But I you know, to certain people who just don't

742
00:37:58.039 --> 00:38:00.599
<v Speaker 1>want to believe certain things, I understand why they would

743
00:38:00.599 --> 00:38:04.119
<v Speaker 1>say that everything is mythalized, So okay, well.

744
00:38:03.960 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and and some people it's all it's all depending

745
00:38:06.719 --> 00:38:09.360
<v Speaker 3>on how you're looking at the story. If you believe

746
00:38:09.400 --> 00:38:12.760
<v Speaker 3>that this is all just myth, it's all just a

747
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:17.280
<v Speaker 3>story that's to be told, rather than these people actually existing,

748
00:38:17.440 --> 00:38:19.199
<v Speaker 3>then you can see it from a different angle.

749
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:22.920
<v Speaker 2>But people get lost between what's myth and what's fact.

750
00:38:23.880 --> 00:38:26.199
<v Speaker 3>And to be honest, I don't really care if if

751
00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:28.960
<v Speaker 3>certain people existed or not, because it's the story that

752
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.800
<v Speaker 3>lives on. I think that the meaning that you can

753
00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:33.960
<v Speaker 3>get from the story is far more important than if

754
00:38:33.960 --> 00:38:38.280
<v Speaker 3>somebody lived or didn't. So anyway, I mean, do.

755
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:40.639
<v Speaker 1>We we disagree on that, But that's that's we've had

756
00:38:40.639 --> 00:38:41.960
<v Speaker 1>that talk before, right.

757
00:38:42.000 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 3>I Mean, you like it for its historical context. I

758
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:45.960
<v Speaker 3>take it for its actual meaning.

759
00:38:46.679 --> 00:38:49.960
<v Speaker 1>I take it for its truth, like it being a

760
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:53.159
<v Speaker 1>thing that actually happened and makes it true. That that

761
00:38:53.280 --> 00:38:55.639
<v Speaker 1>resonates with me in a different way. Rather than the

762
00:38:55.679 --> 00:38:57.880
<v Speaker 1>moral of the story, although that does resonate with me

763
00:38:58.000 --> 00:38:58.280
<v Speaker 1>in a.

764
00:38:58.360 --> 00:39:01.760
<v Speaker 2>Very different but also same way. There's it's different.

765
00:39:01.800 --> 00:39:04.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like I could read a book about to Kill

766
00:39:04.800 --> 00:39:07.719
<v Speaker 1>a Mockingbird, about that court case that took place right

767
00:39:08.400 --> 00:39:10.599
<v Speaker 1>and like the racial injustice and all that, But that's

768
00:39:10.679 --> 00:39:12.840
<v Speaker 1>just a story and a book. Or I can look

769
00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.920
<v Speaker 1>at a real case that took place factually with real

770
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.400
<v Speaker 1>people of basically the same thing and learn the moral

771
00:39:19.400 --> 00:39:22.320
<v Speaker 1>of the story that way as well. One's fake, one's real.

772
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:25.079
<v Speaker 1>Both can teach the moral, except one has, you know,

773
00:39:25.559 --> 00:39:26.480
<v Speaker 1>truth behind it.

774
00:39:26.719 --> 00:39:29.760
<v Speaker 3>That's all I get that. I'm in a different strokes for

775
00:39:29.800 --> 00:39:33.239
<v Speaker 3>different folks. But it says that Alana's is not only

776
00:39:33.280 --> 00:39:37.000
<v Speaker 3>depicted in religious paintings as the reincarnated John the Baptist.

777
00:39:37.079 --> 00:39:39.480
<v Speaker 3>I didn't want to really go into the reincarnation. That's

778
00:39:39.480 --> 00:39:41.239
<v Speaker 3>not where I'm trying to take this whole this whole

779
00:39:41.239 --> 00:39:44.440
<v Speaker 3>show too, gotcha. But they they think that it's a

780
00:39:44.440 --> 00:39:47.119
<v Speaker 3>reincarnation of John the Baptist. Do with that as you will.

781
00:39:48.159 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 3>But it says there are also modern accounts of Ilanas's

782
00:39:50.760 --> 00:39:54.960
<v Speaker 3>depiction in art and literature, recognized primarily for his literary

783
00:39:55.119 --> 00:40:01.199
<v Speaker 3>masterpiece called Madame Bovari. Gustave Flobert worked thirty years on

784
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 3>a lengthy retelling of the Temptation of Saint Anthony and

785
00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:09.199
<v Speaker 3>the book. Flobert's research of ancient creatures and gods are

786
00:40:09.280 --> 00:40:12.760
<v Speaker 3>quite apparent. Awanis was one of the creatures mentioned. So

787
00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.840
<v Speaker 3>it says, respect me, I am the contemporary of beings.

788
00:40:15.920 --> 00:40:21.320
<v Speaker 3>I dwelt in the formless world where hermaphroditic creatures slumbered

789
00:40:21.440 --> 00:40:24.280
<v Speaker 3>under the weight of an opaque atmosphere, in the depths

790
00:40:24.599 --> 00:40:28.400
<v Speaker 3>of dark waters, when fingers, fins, and wings were blended,

791
00:40:28.679 --> 00:40:33.199
<v Speaker 3>and eyes without heads were floating like mollusks among human

792
00:40:33.280 --> 00:40:38.480
<v Speaker 3>faced bulls and dog footed serpents. So it's more of

793
00:40:38.519 --> 00:40:42.599
<v Speaker 3>an artistic kind of view on it. But you know, anyway,

794
00:40:42.840 --> 00:40:46.320
<v Speaker 3>it gets into all of the idea behind Awanas. But

795
00:40:46.639 --> 00:40:48.280
<v Speaker 3>the point here, what I was trying to say is

796
00:40:48.320 --> 00:40:52.840
<v Speaker 3>that this fish god has been represented in multiple different

797
00:40:52.840 --> 00:40:56.079
<v Speaker 3>cultures throughout the world, throughout history, no doubt.

798
00:40:56.119 --> 00:40:57.679
<v Speaker 2>Look so that book, I just looked at it.

799
00:40:57.639 --> 00:41:00.480
<v Speaker 1>It was written in eighteen fifty seven, and yes it

800
00:41:00.519 --> 00:41:02.519
<v Speaker 1>may not have been it was a novel and it

801
00:41:02.559 --> 00:41:04.519
<v Speaker 1>was done as such. But take it in the same

802
00:41:04.559 --> 00:41:07.559
<v Speaker 1>way that you would read the divine comedy, right, Dante

803
00:41:07.599 --> 00:41:10.320
<v Speaker 1>Aligary's journey through Hell and into Heaven and all that

804
00:41:10.320 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't canon right. However, he made a lot of

805
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:16.760
<v Speaker 1>references to different pagan deities that he met along the way,

806
00:41:17.039 --> 00:41:18.599
<v Speaker 1>and it was for the principle of the story. So

807
00:41:18.639 --> 00:41:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the fact that Dagon got a call out, as in

808
00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 1>the middle eighteen fifty seven was getting a shout out,

809
00:41:24.519 --> 00:41:28.559
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty incredible, all right. So who was Dagon the

810
00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:33.559
<v Speaker 1>Philistine fish deity? This is by Christianity dot com. Oh,

811
00:41:33.639 --> 00:41:36.000
<v Speaker 1>it says we're going this. I like how you're reading

812
00:41:36.039 --> 00:41:37.559
<v Speaker 1>both sides of the story on this one.

813
00:41:37.639 --> 00:41:37.920
<v Speaker 2>Dude.

814
00:41:37.960 --> 00:41:40.360
<v Speaker 3>I got to. I got to because otherwise I'm just

815
00:41:40.400 --> 00:41:43.039
<v Speaker 3>deemed wu woo if I don't include Christianity. So anyway,

816
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.719
<v Speaker 3>I gotta bring it all in. But it says the

817
00:41:45.800 --> 00:41:49.559
<v Speaker 3>name Dagon seems one R short of forming the mythical

818
00:41:49.599 --> 00:41:52.079
<v Speaker 3>creature of dragon. But don't let that lack of the

819
00:41:52.159 --> 00:41:56.159
<v Speaker 3>letter R fool you. This fish god from Assyria worshiped

820
00:41:56.199 --> 00:41:59.159
<v Speaker 3>also by the Philistines and the Babylonians read Havoc throughout

821
00:41:59.159 --> 00:42:02.559
<v Speaker 3>the biblical narrative of even the Israelites themselves fell prey

822
00:42:02.639 --> 00:42:06.480
<v Speaker 3>to the worship of this Mermanish idol. In this article

823
00:42:06.519 --> 00:42:08.960
<v Speaker 3>we'll dive into the meaning in the history of this God,

824
00:42:09.159 --> 00:42:12.199
<v Speaker 3>especially in the biblical text. Then we'll discuss the downfall

825
00:42:12.239 --> 00:42:15.159
<v Speaker 3>of Dagon and how this idol literally ends up falling

826
00:42:15.239 --> 00:42:21.039
<v Speaker 3>prostrate prostrate, Yeah, prostrate in worship of the One True God.

827
00:42:22.039 --> 00:42:23.519
<v Speaker 3>All right, So this is kind of getting back to

828
00:42:23.559 --> 00:42:24.800
<v Speaker 3>the biblical story of Dagon.

829
00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:29.000
<v Speaker 1>What it means in the falling prostrate means basically falling

830
00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.800
<v Speaker 1>on your face in word, to think of how the

831
00:42:31.880 --> 00:42:33.920
<v Speaker 1>Muslims do their call to prayer and they like they

832
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:38.960
<v Speaker 1>fall prostrate while they pray, so to speak, uh, falling

833
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:42.039
<v Speaker 1>to your knees in worship or in face of a

834
00:42:42.159 --> 00:42:44.480
<v Speaker 1>king of some type or something. That that's what that means.

835
00:42:44.519 --> 00:42:48.039
<v Speaker 1>So basically saying giving over total submission in the face

836
00:42:48.079 --> 00:42:49.039
<v Speaker 1>of the Biblical God.

837
00:42:49.559 --> 00:42:51.920
<v Speaker 3>All right. Well, right here you're about to find out

838
00:42:52.119 --> 00:42:57.599
<v Speaker 3>who Dagon was in uh traditional family heritage, if you will.

839
00:42:58.039 --> 00:43:01.440
<v Speaker 3>But it says the name Dagon derived from the word dag,

840
00:43:01.800 --> 00:43:05.400
<v Speaker 3>which means fish. As we can see, the Assyrians decided

841
00:43:05.440 --> 00:43:08.400
<v Speaker 3>to take the quite literal route of calling it as

842
00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:11.119
<v Speaker 3>they saw it. Most depictions we have of this god

843
00:43:11.159 --> 00:43:13.320
<v Speaker 3>include a colorful bottom half of a fish and a

844
00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:15.440
<v Speaker 3>top half of a man. Yes, it would seem that

845
00:43:15.480 --> 00:43:18.320
<v Speaker 3>they worshiped a merman, but don't let the silly imagery

846
00:43:18.360 --> 00:43:21.760
<v Speaker 3>fool you. This idol caused many nations, including Israel, to

847
00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.559
<v Speaker 3>turn away from the lord. According to the mythology of Dagon,

848
00:43:26.519 --> 00:43:28.559
<v Speaker 3>Dagon was the father of Ball.

849
00:43:30.119 --> 00:43:35.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh really, oh, yes, sir, oh, the plot thickens, my boy,

850
00:43:36.159 --> 00:43:36.599
<v Speaker 1>it do.

851
00:43:37.400 --> 00:43:40.079
<v Speaker 3>Many of us will recognize the name Ball or Bail,

852
00:43:40.400 --> 00:43:43.199
<v Speaker 3>depending on how you say it, from either Sunday school

853
00:43:43.239 --> 00:43:47.440
<v Speaker 3>classes or a simple perusal through the Old Testament. Other

854
00:43:47.519 --> 00:43:50.519
<v Speaker 3>nations worship Ball and caused Israel to stumble by having

855
00:43:50.519 --> 00:43:54.000
<v Speaker 3>the nation incorporate the practices into their daily lives. Many

856
00:43:54.039 --> 00:43:58.280
<v Speaker 3>polytheistic nations have different purposes for each god. Dagon took

857
00:43:58.360 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 3>charge of crop fertility. Degan can also mean grain. We

858
00:44:03.159 --> 00:44:08.639
<v Speaker 3>know that Philistia bordered the Mediterranean, as did the Babylonian

859
00:44:09.079 --> 00:44:12.599
<v Speaker 3>and Assyrian empires, so it would make sense as to

860
00:44:12.679 --> 00:44:16.000
<v Speaker 3>why they would craft their god after a fish, as

861
00:44:16.199 --> 00:44:19.800
<v Speaker 3>fishing remained an important part of their lifestyle. So then

862
00:44:19.840 --> 00:44:22.960
<v Speaker 3>it gets into all of the different biblical quotes here,

863
00:44:23.000 --> 00:44:24.559
<v Speaker 3>and actually we can get into a couple of these,

864
00:44:24.599 --> 00:44:26.880
<v Speaker 3>because we we just read the Samuel one. But this

865
00:44:26.920 --> 00:44:31.320
<v Speaker 3>one gets into Judges and Chronicles. It says we see

866
00:44:31.360 --> 00:44:34.960
<v Speaker 3>Dagon appear in three separate occasions in the Bible, so

867
00:44:35.039 --> 00:44:38.599
<v Speaker 3>the first one being Judges sixteen twenty three. It says,

868
00:44:38.920 --> 00:44:41.719
<v Speaker 3>now the rulers of the Philistines assembled to offer a

869
00:44:41.800 --> 00:44:45.360
<v Speaker 3>great sacrifice to Dagon, their god, and to celebrate, saying,

870
00:44:45.440 --> 00:44:49.440
<v Speaker 3>our God has delivered Samson, our enemy, into our hands.

871
00:44:50.559 --> 00:44:53.760
<v Speaker 1>This is during the story of Samson, absolutely whenever he

872
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:57.480
<v Speaker 1>broke his val and got in bed with a Philistine

873
00:44:57.519 --> 00:45:00.880
<v Speaker 1>woman and she pretty much in the middle of the night,

874
00:45:00.920 --> 00:45:03.280
<v Speaker 1>cut his hair, drew, drained his strength, and they were

875
00:45:03.280 --> 00:45:06.480
<v Speaker 1>able to you know, capture him, tortu him.

876
00:45:06.719 --> 00:45:09.480
<v Speaker 3>Well, yeah, it says the Philistines managed to capture the

877
00:45:09.519 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 3>strong judge Samson and turn him into a prisoner. To celebrate, uh,

878
00:45:14.199 --> 00:45:17.920
<v Speaker 3>they issue a sacrifice to their god Dagon, perhaps because

879
00:45:17.960 --> 00:45:22.079
<v Speaker 3>Samson had previously lit some of their crop fields on fire,

880
00:45:22.559 --> 00:45:24.800
<v Speaker 3>part of dagon supposed jurisdiction.

881
00:45:25.880 --> 00:45:30.280
<v Speaker 1>So Samson, Sampson's pretty crazy. He he apparently just was

882
00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:33.599
<v Speaker 1>like just shit on a shingle. Dude, Your boy just

883
00:45:33.599 --> 00:45:35.639
<v Speaker 1>could not be touched in battle. He killed like one

884
00:45:35.679 --> 00:45:39.280
<v Speaker 1>hundred dudes with the jawbone of a donkey. Damn Like,

885
00:45:39.360 --> 00:45:41.079
<v Speaker 1>he didn't have a weapon on him, and they tried

886
00:45:41.840 --> 00:45:44.360
<v Speaker 1>surrounding him. The closest thing he could find there was

887
00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:46.119
<v Speaker 1>a dead donkey that had died on the side of

888
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:48.119
<v Speaker 1>the road. He ripped the jawbone off of it and

889
00:45:48.159 --> 00:45:50.599
<v Speaker 1>went to fucking work so like they couldn't They couldn't

890
00:45:50.639 --> 00:45:55.119
<v Speaker 1>go at him, except he made a deal with God

891
00:45:55.159 --> 00:45:58.360
<v Speaker 1>that he would be basically impervious in battle as long

892
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:01.360
<v Speaker 1>as he never cut his hair, never drank wine, and

893
00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:02.280
<v Speaker 1>always honored the Lord.

894
00:46:02.280 --> 00:46:03.920
<v Speaker 2>This is called the Samsonite vow.

895
00:46:05.159 --> 00:46:09.719
<v Speaker 1>He broke all three of the well Delilah, his woman Philistine,

896
00:46:10.039 --> 00:46:13.280
<v Speaker 1>got him drunk, cut his hair. This broke all vows

897
00:46:13.280 --> 00:46:15.199
<v Speaker 1>between him and God, and he was weakened and they

898
00:46:15.199 --> 00:46:16.199
<v Speaker 1>were able to capture him.

899
00:46:16.239 --> 00:46:17.320
<v Speaker 2>They took a big, a.

900
00:46:17.239 --> 00:46:20.079
<v Speaker 1>Big celebration, had a big feast, and this whenever he

901
00:46:20.119 --> 00:46:22.159
<v Speaker 1>was chained up on the pillars, and whenever he pulled

902
00:46:22.159 --> 00:46:24.599
<v Speaker 1>the pillars down with one great feet of strength and

903
00:46:24.639 --> 00:46:26.840
<v Speaker 1>brought the whole temple down on top of them.

904
00:46:27.159 --> 00:46:29.280
<v Speaker 2>It's a very famous last stand.

905
00:46:29.320 --> 00:46:36.280
<v Speaker 3>If you will swamy Swanny Sammy Samsonite. You remember that

906
00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:39.840
<v Speaker 3>from Dumb and Dumber. But anyways, I knew it started

907
00:46:39.880 --> 00:46:44.800
<v Speaker 3>with an s though he said. But anyway, first Chronicles

908
00:46:44.840 --> 00:46:47.719
<v Speaker 3>ten ten, it says they put his armor in the

909
00:46:47.760 --> 00:46:50.480
<v Speaker 3>temple of their gods and hung up his head in

910
00:46:50.559 --> 00:46:53.880
<v Speaker 3>the temple of Dagon. King Saul dies in battle. When

911
00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:56.159
<v Speaker 3>the Philistines find him, they strip him of his armor,

912
00:46:56.199 --> 00:46:58.480
<v Speaker 3>a practice of war in ancient times, and put his

913
00:46:58.559 --> 00:47:01.039
<v Speaker 3>head in the temple of Dagon. By doing this, they

914
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.480
<v Speaker 3>attempted to show their god had won over the king

915
00:47:03.519 --> 00:47:07.039
<v Speaker 3>of Israel. We don't really know how much part how

916
00:47:07.119 --> 00:47:09.400
<v Speaker 3>much of a part that Dagon plays in the mythology

917
00:47:09.400 --> 00:47:12.760
<v Speaker 3>when it comes to war, but sometimes god gods have

918
00:47:12.920 --> 00:47:17.840
<v Speaker 3>overlapping duties in ancient mythos. Also, although not mentioned, Dagon

919
00:47:17.920 --> 00:47:20.320
<v Speaker 3>would have played a big role in the story of Jonah.

920
00:47:20.559 --> 00:47:25.320
<v Speaker 3>The Ninovites Assyrians. They would have worshiped Dagon. God didn't

921
00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:28.360
<v Speaker 3>transport the prophet inside a large fish by accident.

922
00:47:29.320 --> 00:47:30.239
<v Speaker 2>We talked about.

923
00:47:30.079 --> 00:47:32.320
<v Speaker 1>That very recently as a matter of fact, because when

924
00:47:32.360 --> 00:47:34.440
<v Speaker 1>he was going, if you look at where he was

925
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:38.239
<v Speaker 1>going to preach, their main deity was a fish god.

926
00:47:38.679 --> 00:47:42.039
<v Speaker 1>So if some prophet came on a road on a donkey.

927
00:47:42.599 --> 00:47:44.599
<v Speaker 1>No one would have cared. That wouldn't have That wouldn't

928
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.719
<v Speaker 1>have drawn a crowd. Your boy getting spat up on

929
00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:51.320
<v Speaker 1>the beach by a whale in that ocean, you know

930
00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:52.599
<v Speaker 1>you've got people's attention.

931
00:47:53.000 --> 00:47:55.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, It says they would have paid better attention to

932
00:47:55.119 --> 00:48:00.519
<v Speaker 3>Jonah knowing that he had traveled in a large piscean vessel. Okay,

933
00:48:00.639 --> 00:48:03.679
<v Speaker 3>so two fish.

934
00:48:03.119 --> 00:48:05.159
<v Speaker 2>Saul going into the temple of Dagon.

935
00:48:05.280 --> 00:48:07.199
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that's very I could see that being like an

936
00:48:07.199 --> 00:48:10.519
<v Speaker 1>offering to their god, saying, look, we conquered these people,

937
00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:12.079
<v Speaker 1>here is their king, and like all of that.

938
00:48:12.079 --> 00:48:12.679
<v Speaker 2>That makes sense.

939
00:48:12.920 --> 00:48:15.239
<v Speaker 1>But again it is a reference that Dagon was a

940
00:48:15.280 --> 00:48:16.840
<v Speaker 1>deity worship during this time.

941
00:48:17.599 --> 00:48:21.400
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, So how did they worship Dagon in the

942
00:48:21.400 --> 00:48:24.239
<v Speaker 3>first place? Anyway? Just out of curiosity, It says we

943
00:48:24.320 --> 00:48:27.280
<v Speaker 3>don't really know much about Dagon worship because we don't

944
00:48:27.280 --> 00:48:30.840
<v Speaker 3>have much documentation of it. However, we can analyze ball

945
00:48:31.119 --> 00:48:35.400
<v Speaker 3>and Asherah worship, both deities within Dagon's pantheon to get

946
00:48:35.400 --> 00:48:38.119
<v Speaker 3>some hints. As mentioned in the text, it seems they

947
00:48:38.920 --> 00:48:42.639
<v Speaker 3>incorporated animal sacrifice into their worship of Dagon. We also

948
00:48:42.800 --> 00:48:45.639
<v Speaker 3>know from a text that they'll explore in a moment

949
00:48:46.039 --> 00:48:49.639
<v Speaker 3>that they crafted Dagon out of stone. Many cultures would

950
00:48:49.639 --> 00:48:53.719
<v Speaker 3>often bathe and clothe their deities, but such practices predominantly

951
00:48:53.760 --> 00:48:56.119
<v Speaker 3>started in ancient Egypt. We don't have a clue if

952
00:48:56.119 --> 00:48:58.679
<v Speaker 3>they did the same with the Semitic gods. We know

953
00:48:58.719 --> 00:49:01.920
<v Speaker 3>the prophets of Bail would cut themselves and rave to

954
00:49:01.960 --> 00:49:06.199
<v Speaker 3>their god to speak with them. Perhaps Degon worshiped involved uh.

955
00:49:06.320 --> 00:49:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Dagon worship involved some bloodshed as well. We can we

956
00:49:10.440 --> 00:49:13.800
<v Speaker 3>can assume since Dagon had jurisdiction over the crops, that

957
00:49:13.920 --> 00:49:16.960
<v Speaker 3>those who worshiped this deity gave crop offerings as well.

958
00:49:17.159 --> 00:49:19.360
<v Speaker 3>But again, most of this falls under speculation due to

959
00:49:19.400 --> 00:49:20.800
<v Speaker 3>the lack of historical detailing.

960
00:49:21.639 --> 00:49:22.559
<v Speaker 2>Okay, fair enough.

961
00:49:23.159 --> 00:49:26.760
<v Speaker 3>So getting back to that that verse in Samuel, they

962
00:49:26.840 --> 00:49:29.559
<v Speaker 3>kind of have a better understanding of it here, kind

963
00:49:29.559 --> 00:49:32.840
<v Speaker 3>of wanted to read that it says Degon literally bowls

964
00:49:32.920 --> 00:49:36.079
<v Speaker 3>before yahweh. So this was whenever you know, he fell,

965
00:49:36.320 --> 00:49:38.840
<v Speaker 3>you know in in the Uh and the ark.

966
00:49:38.840 --> 00:49:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Was brought into the temple and the statue fell.

967
00:49:41.000 --> 00:49:44.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, right, So he literally took a bow by falling,

968
00:49:44.159 --> 00:49:46.599
<v Speaker 3>and that's like the symbolism behind that. I guess, but

969
00:49:46.679 --> 00:49:49.519
<v Speaker 3>it says, in fact, the second time it happens, his

970
00:49:49.719 --> 00:49:52.239
<v Speaker 3>head and hands get cut off, an ancient way of

971
00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:55.119
<v Speaker 3>removing or cutting off the life force of the supposed

972
00:49:55.159 --> 00:49:58.639
<v Speaker 3>deity housed inside the idol. The Philistines thought that they

973
00:49:58.639 --> 00:50:02.400
<v Speaker 3>had won, but our god Odd claims the ultimate victory.

974
00:50:02.519 --> 00:50:04.360
<v Speaker 3>We don't have any clues as to what happened next

975
00:50:04.360 --> 00:50:07.039
<v Speaker 3>with Dagon. We can assume as the Babylonians fell to

976
00:50:07.079 --> 00:50:11.000
<v Speaker 3>Persia that dagon warship didn't continue, or if it did,

977
00:50:11.039 --> 00:50:13.159
<v Speaker 3>it would be under the guise of a Persian god

978
00:50:13.639 --> 00:50:15.039
<v Speaker 3>such as Owanness.

979
00:50:16.239 --> 00:50:18.480
<v Speaker 2>Interesting, there you go.

980
00:50:18.599 --> 00:50:19.960
<v Speaker 3>So he continues to live on.

981
00:50:21.239 --> 00:50:24.039
<v Speaker 1>They just adopt him into another fold, and then the

982
00:50:24.079 --> 00:50:26.920
<v Speaker 1>culture spread and it's like, oh, yeah, that's what you

983
00:50:26.960 --> 00:50:27.280
<v Speaker 1>call him.

984
00:50:27.320 --> 00:50:28.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh we got one of those two. Yeah, it's the

985
00:50:28.880 --> 00:50:30.599
<v Speaker 2>same guy, same total.

986
00:50:30.360 --> 00:50:34.440
<v Speaker 3>Dude, right right. So I thought that it was pretty

987
00:50:34.440 --> 00:50:37.599
<v Speaker 3>interesting to kind of mention both Dagon and Owana's at

988
00:50:37.639 --> 00:50:42.960
<v Speaker 3>the same time. But this is another website, pretty interesting one.

989
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:46.599
<v Speaker 3>It's called if I Walked with Jesus dot Com. It

990
00:50:46.639 --> 00:50:49.320
<v Speaker 3>says walking through Scripture and they actually give a pretty

991
00:50:49.360 --> 00:50:52.679
<v Speaker 3>cool interpretation of this whole thing, and they go into

992
00:50:52.679 --> 00:50:54.440
<v Speaker 3>a little bit more detail, So I figured we'll go

993
00:50:54.519 --> 00:50:57.599
<v Speaker 3>into that a little bit. But so this is getting

994
00:50:57.639 --> 00:51:00.400
<v Speaker 3>back to the whole story of whenever they stole the

995
00:51:00.480 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 3>Ark of the Covenant. Nice, all right, all right, So

996
00:51:04.119 --> 00:51:06.920
<v Speaker 3>over to this article it gets into It says the

997
00:51:06.960 --> 00:51:09.840
<v Speaker 3>Philistines have captured the Ark of the Lord. They brought

998
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:13.360
<v Speaker 3>it as their trophy into the temple of Dagon, their god,

999
00:51:13.719 --> 00:51:16.559
<v Speaker 3>Dagon couldn't stand in the presence of the ark. It says,

1000
00:51:16.920 --> 00:51:20.000
<v Speaker 3>there is oh, anyway, that's kind of the precursor, let's

1001
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:22.639
<v Speaker 3>get over it. It says the Philistine army is returning

1002
00:51:22.639 --> 00:51:27.480
<v Speaker 3>from their battle against Israel. The victory crist can be

1003
00:51:27.519 --> 00:51:30.199
<v Speaker 3>heard ringing out as they approach their home of Ashdod.

1004
00:51:30.519 --> 00:51:32.679
<v Speaker 3>No need to wait for a report, as everyone can

1005
00:51:32.719 --> 00:51:35.599
<v Speaker 3>easily guess the outcome from the sounds coming from this group.

1006
00:51:35.639 --> 00:51:37.360
<v Speaker 3>But there is a major surprise in store when the

1007
00:51:37.480 --> 00:51:40.519
<v Speaker 3>army actually arrives. The priests of Dagon and the king

1008
00:51:40.559 --> 00:51:43.519
<v Speaker 3>of the city come out to welcome the victorious troops.

1009
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:46.119
<v Speaker 3>As they watch the approaching army, they notice they are

1010
00:51:46.159 --> 00:51:48.639
<v Speaker 3>carrying a large item. It is being borne on the

1011
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.119
<v Speaker 3>shoulders of four men and covered with some kind of

1012
00:51:51.159 --> 00:51:55.119
<v Speaker 3>blue cloth. The welcoming party waits while the captain of

1013
00:51:55.119 --> 00:51:58.760
<v Speaker 3>the guard comes to present himself. Who or how went

1014
00:51:58.840 --> 00:52:01.559
<v Speaker 3>the battle? What have you to report, my lord? We

1015
00:52:01.639 --> 00:52:04.760
<v Speaker 3>have defeated the Israelite dogs. We have also captured their god.

1016
00:52:05.280 --> 00:52:08.519
<v Speaker 3>The captain motions the men forward, who are holding the

1017
00:52:08.599 --> 00:52:11.119
<v Speaker 3>large item covered in the blue cloth. As the ark

1018
00:52:11.239 --> 00:52:13.599
<v Speaker 3>is brought forward, the priest is wringing his hands and

1019
00:52:13.679 --> 00:52:18.159
<v Speaker 3>salivating with anticipation. The king holds himself aloof on the outside,

1020
00:52:18.199 --> 00:52:21.239
<v Speaker 3>but inside the is on par with the priest. The

1021
00:52:21.400 --> 00:52:24.480
<v Speaker 3>ark rest suspended by the carrying poles on the shoulders

1022
00:52:24.519 --> 00:52:28.000
<v Speaker 3>of four men. Remove that cloth, commands the king. Wait,

1023
00:52:28.119 --> 00:52:30.920
<v Speaker 3>my lord, a god, even the enemy god, should not

1024
00:52:30.960 --> 00:52:34.360
<v Speaker 3>be laid naked before the masses. Let it be brought

1025
00:52:34.400 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 3>into the temple of Dagon and laid bear there. Dagon

1026
00:52:37.559 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 3>can tower over this Israelite god and prove his superiority.

1027
00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 3>The King is at first angry with the priest for

1028
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:48.880
<v Speaker 3>interrupting and countermanding his orders, but his counsel is sound. Yes,

1029
00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:51.880
<v Speaker 3>bring it into the temple of Dagon. Dagon can gaze

1030
00:52:51.920 --> 00:52:54.840
<v Speaker 3>down on this defeated god. The ark of the Lord

1031
00:52:54.920 --> 00:52:57.480
<v Speaker 3>is brought to the temple to the door of the temple.

1032
00:52:57.719 --> 00:52:59.559
<v Speaker 3>The soldier's weight is the priest.

1033
00:53:00.440 --> 00:53:03.000
<v Speaker 1>Real quick, can we just mention the fact that they

1034
00:53:03.079 --> 00:53:06.400
<v Speaker 1>had respect for all gods at least in that way,

1035
00:53:06.480 --> 00:53:09.880
<v Speaker 1>even the god of their enemy. They were like, look, look, look, look, look, Yeah,

1036
00:53:09.880 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 1>they're dogs and all of that, but like this is

1037
00:53:12.280 --> 00:53:16.000
<v Speaker 1>still a god. We shouldn't we shouldn't expose it out

1038
00:53:16.039 --> 00:53:18.079
<v Speaker 1>here to the commoners. Like, let's let's have a bit

1039
00:53:18.119 --> 00:53:20.519
<v Speaker 1>of respect, a little bit of decorum, you know what

1040
00:53:20.599 --> 00:53:24.159
<v Speaker 1>I mean. And two fold, the god of Dagon can

1041
00:53:24.280 --> 00:53:26.920
<v Speaker 1>overpower him eye to eye, like you know what I'm saying, Like,

1042
00:53:26.960 --> 00:53:29.360
<v Speaker 1>there's a better way here, Like at least let's give

1043
00:53:29.400 --> 00:53:32.199
<v Speaker 1>the shout out. Let's give the props to the Pagans

1044
00:53:32.199 --> 00:53:34.679
<v Speaker 1>that whenever they get introduced to a new god, they

1045
00:53:34.679 --> 00:53:37.239
<v Speaker 1>don't immediately go on the defense. They're immediately more of

1046
00:53:37.280 --> 00:53:39.400
<v Speaker 1>the Hey, well let's talk about that god.

1047
00:53:39.519 --> 00:53:43.199
<v Speaker 3>You know, Yeah, that's it's respectable. It's a respectable notion,

1048
00:53:43.320 --> 00:53:44.000
<v Speaker 3>for sure.

1049
00:53:43.840 --> 00:53:45.840
<v Speaker 2>No doubt, no doubt, says the argu.

1050
00:53:45.719 --> 00:53:47.440
<v Speaker 3>The lord is brought to the door of the temple.

1051
00:53:47.519 --> 00:53:51.079
<v Speaker 3>The soldiers wait as the priest speaks with Dagon, Great Dagon,

1052
00:53:51.159 --> 00:53:53.440
<v Speaker 3>we have an offering for you. By your hand, we

1053
00:53:53.440 --> 00:53:56.000
<v Speaker 3>have captured the God of the Israelites. We present it

1054
00:53:56.000 --> 00:53:58.239
<v Speaker 3>to you as a gift for your favor on us.

1055
00:53:58.719 --> 00:54:01.519
<v Speaker 3>After speaking these words, the priest motions for four temple

1056
00:54:01.559 --> 00:54:04.519
<v Speaker 3>attendants to take the arc from the soldiers. They bring

1057
00:54:04.559 --> 00:54:06.840
<v Speaker 3>it into the temple and sit it on the left

1058
00:54:06.880 --> 00:54:10.360
<v Speaker 3>of a huge statue of Dagon. The under priest is

1059
00:54:10.400 --> 00:54:13.519
<v Speaker 3>summoned for the next task. Remove the covering, and let's

1060
00:54:13.519 --> 00:54:16.599
<v Speaker 3>have a look at the God of Israel. The under

1061
00:54:16.639 --> 00:54:19.119
<v Speaker 3>priest reaches out and takes hold of the cloth. His

1062
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:21.800
<v Speaker 3>hands begin to burn as they as they had, just

1063
00:54:22.480 --> 00:54:24.960
<v Speaker 3>as if that they had just been plunged into fire.

1064
00:54:25.400 --> 00:54:28.239
<v Speaker 3>Screaming in pain, he releases the cloth and falls back.

1065
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:31.039
<v Speaker 3>He retreats to the corner of the room. Confusion and

1066
00:54:31.119 --> 00:54:33.159
<v Speaker 3>anger mar the face of the high priest, and he

1067
00:54:33.239 --> 00:54:36.400
<v Speaker 3>bellows for another to remove the cloth. The second attempt

1068
00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:39.280
<v Speaker 3>meets with no better results. The high Priest, after seeing

1069
00:54:39.320 --> 00:54:41.880
<v Speaker 3>the scorched hands of the two under priests, decides to

1070
00:54:41.960 --> 00:54:44.599
<v Speaker 3>leave the cloth in place for now. He will deal

1071
00:54:44.679 --> 00:54:47.000
<v Speaker 3>with it tomorrow, as it is already late in the day.

1072
00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:49.199
<v Speaker 3>Leave all of you. We will deal with this one

1073
00:54:49.400 --> 00:54:53.960
<v Speaker 3>on themorrow. It says, They're like, fuck this, f this tonight.

1074
00:54:54.039 --> 00:54:55.400
<v Speaker 3>We're gonna deal with this shit tomorrow.

1075
00:54:56.000 --> 00:54:58.719
<v Speaker 1>Let's sleep on this. Apparently it's some little extra. Let's

1076
00:54:58.719 --> 00:54:59.920
<v Speaker 1>worry about this tomorrow.

1077
00:55:01.840 --> 00:55:04.400
<v Speaker 3>All night long, the high priest think of ways of

1078
00:55:04.440 --> 00:55:08.119
<v Speaker 3>removing the covering of Israel's God. He wants their god

1079
00:55:08.239 --> 00:55:10.920
<v Speaker 3>humbled before his own, and letting it remain hidden seems

1080
00:55:10.960 --> 00:55:13.519
<v Speaker 3>wrong to him. He gets little sleep as he moves

1081
00:55:13.519 --> 00:55:15.960
<v Speaker 3>from one plan to the next, trying to find a solution.

1082
00:55:16.400 --> 00:55:19.639
<v Speaker 3>When morning comes, he is anxious, anxious to try some

1083
00:55:19.760 --> 00:55:22.199
<v Speaker 3>of the different solutions that he came up with. He

1084
00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:25.480
<v Speaker 3>dresses as quickly as possible and heads to the temple

1085
00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:28.280
<v Speaker 3>of Dagon. The door of the temple moves easily as

1086
00:55:28.320 --> 00:55:31.079
<v Speaker 3>he pushes upon it to gain entrance. In his hands,

1087
00:55:31.119 --> 00:55:33.639
<v Speaker 3>he holds the torch to light the lamps and jars

1088
00:55:33.639 --> 00:55:36.480
<v Speaker 3>of incense. As soon as he crosses the threshold, he

1089
00:55:36.519 --> 00:55:39.440
<v Speaker 3>feels that there is something different. He quickly applies the

1090
00:55:39.480 --> 00:55:42.280
<v Speaker 3>torch to the lamps and places his torch in its holder.

1091
00:55:42.599 --> 00:55:45.519
<v Speaker 3>His eyes are drawn immediately to a large object lying

1092
00:55:45.559 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 3>on the floor. It is Dagon. He is lying face

1093
00:55:48.400 --> 00:55:51.199
<v Speaker 3>down beside the still covered god of the Israelites. A

1094
00:55:51.199 --> 00:55:53.760
<v Speaker 3>cry of anguish is rent from his lips. At the sight,

1095
00:55:54.400 --> 00:55:56.679
<v Speaker 3>several other priests come rushing to the sound of the

1096
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:59.239
<v Speaker 3>High priest cry they are too dumb struck at the

1097
00:55:59.280 --> 00:56:02.719
<v Speaker 3>scene before them. Immediately they begin throwing out possibilities for

1098
00:56:02.760 --> 00:56:05.599
<v Speaker 3>such a scene. Was there an earthquake, did rodents get

1099
00:56:05.599 --> 00:56:08.440
<v Speaker 3>in and weaken the foundation? Maybe thieves broke in during

1100
00:56:08.480 --> 00:56:11.119
<v Speaker 3>the night. None of the explanations seemed to fit well,

1101
00:56:11.119 --> 00:56:13.039
<v Speaker 3>and the only thing that they could agree on was

1102
00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:17.559
<v Speaker 3>getting Dagon up off the ground. After careful inspection of

1103
00:56:17.599 --> 00:56:21.480
<v Speaker 3>the base on which Dagon sat and the god itself,

1104
00:56:21.760 --> 00:56:25.000
<v Speaker 3>they gathered the equipment necessary to raise Dagon. It took

1105
00:56:25.039 --> 00:56:28.000
<v Speaker 3>almost the day to carefully maneuver him back into position.

1106
00:56:28.159 --> 00:56:31.000
<v Speaker 3>This is a big ass statue, they said. By the

1107
00:56:31.079 --> 00:56:33.639
<v Speaker 3>time that they were done, there was very little time

1108
00:56:33.679 --> 00:56:37.519
<v Speaker 3>to try some of the priest's ideas of uncovering Israel's god.

1109
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:41.559
<v Speaker 3>It would hold for another night. Sleep again proved elusive.

1110
00:56:41.599 --> 00:56:44.119
<v Speaker 3>As the High Priest tried to rationalize what had walked

1111
00:56:44.159 --> 00:56:46.840
<v Speaker 3>into what he had walked into that morning, he came

1112
00:56:46.920 --> 00:56:50.239
<v Speaker 3>up with no firm answers, but it resolved to remove

1113
00:56:50.320 --> 00:56:53.559
<v Speaker 3>the covering This day. As he rose once again, he

1114
00:56:53.639 --> 00:56:56.480
<v Speaker 3>rushes through his morning preparations. He doesn't even make it

1115
00:56:56.519 --> 00:56:58.800
<v Speaker 3>into the temple this time before he is confronted by

1116
00:56:58.800 --> 00:57:02.960
<v Speaker 3>another catastrophe. On the threshold lie the dag, the Dagon's

1117
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:06.119
<v Speaker 3>head and hands. Another scream rips from his lungs at

1118
00:57:06.159 --> 00:57:08.920
<v Speaker 3>the sight, and brings the under priest scurrying to his aid.

1119
00:57:09.320 --> 00:57:11.320
<v Speaker 3>How could you let this happen? Was no one on

1120
00:57:11.360 --> 00:57:14.239
<v Speaker 3>guard last night? I stood guard last night, my priest,

1121
00:57:14.599 --> 00:57:17.360
<v Speaker 3>none passed by. I allowed no one to enter the temple.

1122
00:57:17.679 --> 00:57:19.880
<v Speaker 3>Then you are a fool for someone who did enter

1123
00:57:19.920 --> 00:57:23.000
<v Speaker 3>the temple, someone desecrated Dagon. I will have your heart

1124
00:57:23.039 --> 00:57:24.559
<v Speaker 3>as an offering for forgiveness.

1125
00:57:24.960 --> 00:57:25.199
<v Speaker 2>I can.

1126
00:57:25.719 --> 00:57:27.719
<v Speaker 3>I can just picture this conversation going down.

1127
00:57:28.199 --> 00:57:31.000
<v Speaker 1>Oh bro, one hundred percent, one hundred percent, because this

1128
00:57:31.079 --> 00:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>is within the ancient rituals of like the temple, with

1129
00:57:34.960 --> 00:57:37.920
<v Speaker 1>all their rituals in ways they do things, they're incantations

1130
00:57:37.920 --> 00:57:40.119
<v Speaker 1>like things have to be done a certain way, and

1131
00:57:40.159 --> 00:57:42.360
<v Speaker 1>they are I bet truly speaking to each other in

1132
00:57:42.400 --> 00:57:42.920
<v Speaker 1>this manner.

1133
00:57:43.400 --> 00:57:47.039
<v Speaker 3>The priest carefully steps over the dismembered pieces of Dagon

1134
00:57:47.119 --> 00:57:50.079
<v Speaker 3>on the threshold, define that he has been completely disassembled.

1135
00:57:50.599 --> 00:57:53.119
<v Speaker 3>His torso lies at the foot of the Israelites God

1136
00:57:53.239 --> 00:57:56.639
<v Speaker 3>as if in supplication. The High Priest is outraged of

1137
00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.480
<v Speaker 3>this scene. He rushes over and removes tongs from from

1138
00:58:00.559 --> 00:58:03.480
<v Speaker 3>Dagon's altar. He is determined to lay bare the God

1139
00:58:03.480 --> 00:58:06.519
<v Speaker 3>of Israel, and right is wrong, Ah, right this wrong

1140
00:58:06.639 --> 00:58:09.639
<v Speaker 3>done to his God. With tongs in hand, he moves

1141
00:58:09.679 --> 00:58:12.920
<v Speaker 3>toward the ark. So intent is his focus on the

1142
00:58:12.920 --> 00:58:15.559
<v Speaker 3>object of his anger that he doesn't even notice the

1143
00:58:15.719 --> 00:58:19.079
<v Speaker 3>uneven tile on the floor. His sandal catches and he

1144
00:58:19.159 --> 00:58:22.679
<v Speaker 3>is flung to the floor. During this fall, the tongs

1145
00:58:22.719 --> 00:58:25.360
<v Speaker 3>twist in his hand and he lands on them. They

1146
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:27.960
<v Speaker 3>are embedded into his chest. When he finally comes to

1147
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:30.960
<v Speaker 3>rest beside the torso of his God, joining him in

1148
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.159
<v Speaker 3>supplication to the God of Israel. The under priests are

1149
00:58:34.159 --> 00:58:37.360
<v Speaker 3>frozen in place as this scene unfolds. As blood pours

1150
00:58:37.400 --> 00:58:39.679
<v Speaker 3>from the High Priest's chest, the spell is broken and

1151
00:58:39.800 --> 00:58:42.719
<v Speaker 3>under priests rush from the room. It is three hours

1152
00:58:42.719 --> 00:58:45.159
<v Speaker 3>before any of them are calm enough to begin the

1153
00:58:45.199 --> 00:58:48.239
<v Speaker 3>process of repairing the damage in the temple. They remove

1154
00:58:48.320 --> 00:58:51.000
<v Speaker 3>the High Priest's body, collect the pieces of Dagon, and

1155
00:58:51.559 --> 00:58:54.719
<v Speaker 3>have the pieces brought to the craftsmen for reworking. It

1156
00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:57.000
<v Speaker 3>will be some time before Dagon is ready to take

1157
00:58:57.000 --> 00:58:59.239
<v Speaker 3>his place again in the temple. It doesn't seem right

1158
00:58:59.280 --> 00:59:01.039
<v Speaker 3>that the god of Israe is left to stand in

1159
00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:04.119
<v Speaker 3>the in Dagon's temple in his absence, But none dare

1160
00:59:04.239 --> 00:59:07.400
<v Speaker 3>touch it for fear of death. The morning after the

1161
00:59:07.440 --> 00:59:10.760
<v Speaker 3>morning after the death of the high Priest, several of

1162
00:59:10.840 --> 00:59:15.559
<v Speaker 3>the under priests notice growths on their arms. They are nobbing,

1163
00:59:15.840 --> 00:59:18.960
<v Speaker 3>or they are nobby looking and painful. The most senior

1164
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.760
<v Speaker 3>remaining priest assumes the role of high priest. He is

1165
00:59:21.760 --> 00:59:24.400
<v Speaker 3>called to the king, who is also experiencing a growth

1166
00:59:24.440 --> 00:59:27.360
<v Speaker 3>on his leg. What is this? Relieve me of this pain,

1167
00:59:27.440 --> 00:59:29.880
<v Speaker 3>heil me, demands the king. I have seen this on

1168
00:59:29.960 --> 00:59:32.320
<v Speaker 3>several of the under priests. I will lay lance it,

1169
00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:35.159
<v Speaker 3>or I will lance it and pray to Dagon for

1170
00:59:35.239 --> 00:59:40.280
<v Speaker 3>it to heal you. Whatever, just make it stop. The

1171
00:59:40.440 --> 00:59:43.719
<v Speaker 3>new priest spends. The new priest spends all day lancing

1172
00:59:43.760 --> 00:59:46.280
<v Speaker 3>the gross and praying to Dagon. He prays at the

1173
00:59:46.320 --> 00:59:49.039
<v Speaker 3>altar of Dagon, even though his form is absent. The

1174
00:59:49.079 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 3>next morning, the number of people with these strange growths

1175
00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:55.559
<v Speaker 3>continues to grow. The size of the growths also increases.

1176
00:59:55.840 --> 00:59:59.639
<v Speaker 3>Lancing them did not alleviate the pain or poison causing them.

1177
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:03.000
<v Speaker 3>They bulge from the skin, as if seeking to separate

1178
01:00:03.039 --> 01:00:06.039
<v Speaker 3>themselves from the body. After three days, the high priest

1179
01:00:06.119 --> 01:00:09.039
<v Speaker 3>prayers still go unanswered. He is beside himself. He is

1180
01:00:09.079 --> 01:00:12.639
<v Speaker 3>at the point of excising the growth from all who

1181
01:00:12.639 --> 01:00:18.039
<v Speaker 3>can tolerate the procedure. The removed portions are encapsulated tumors,

1182
01:00:18.239 --> 01:00:21.360
<v Speaker 3>and their occurrence is spread through the populace like wildfire.

1183
01:00:21.679 --> 01:00:24.599
<v Speaker 3>The desecration of Dagon and the appearance of the tumors

1184
01:00:24.639 --> 01:00:28.960
<v Speaker 3>are being linked back to the arrival of the Israel's God.

1185
01:00:29.079 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 3>With failure of the priests to stop the spread of tumors,

1186
01:00:31.599 --> 01:00:34.159
<v Speaker 3>the people began crying out for the removal of the Ark.

1187
01:00:34.440 --> 01:00:37.360
<v Speaker 3>The entire city, in all its territories, are in terror.

1188
01:00:37.599 --> 01:00:39.840
<v Speaker 3>The Ark of the God of Israel must not remain

1189
01:00:39.880 --> 01:00:42.199
<v Speaker 3>with us, for his hand is hard against us and

1190
01:00:42.280 --> 01:00:45.519
<v Speaker 3>against Dagon are God. It takes two weeks before the

1191
01:00:45.519 --> 01:00:48.360
<v Speaker 3>people prevail in their desperate attempt to separate themselves from

1192
01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:50.599
<v Speaker 3>Israel's God. The Ark of the Lord is sent to

1193
01:00:50.679 --> 01:00:54.519
<v Speaker 3>goth This was the decision of all the lords of

1194
01:00:54.559 --> 01:00:57.519
<v Speaker 3>the Philistines. The King of Goth is a Goth or

1195
01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:03.079
<v Speaker 3>Gath Gith Gath Gath, the king of Gath, laughs at

1196
01:01:03.079 --> 01:01:05.480
<v Speaker 3>the people of Ashdod as they cower at the sight

1197
01:01:05.519 --> 01:01:07.960
<v Speaker 3>of the large blue object being carried by his soldiers.

1198
01:01:08.239 --> 01:01:11.199
<v Speaker 3>Ashdod is a superstitious people. He thinks he is not

1199
01:01:11.320 --> 01:01:14.320
<v Speaker 3>a fool, though, so he decides to leave the covering

1200
01:01:14.400 --> 01:01:17.159
<v Speaker 3>in place. Israel's God is brought into the city in

1201
01:01:17.199 --> 01:01:19.639
<v Speaker 3>place in the temple. Within a day of its entrance

1202
01:01:19.639 --> 01:01:22.280
<v Speaker 3>through the gates, tumors begin to appear on the people.

1203
01:01:22.440 --> 01:01:26.719
<v Speaker 3>It is spread. It's spread is so pervasive that no

1204
01:01:26.719 --> 01:01:30.360
<v Speaker 3>one is exempt, young, old, rich, poor, All are affected.

1205
01:01:30.639 --> 01:01:33.360
<v Speaker 3>The ark of God, of the God of Israel, cannot

1206
01:01:33.400 --> 01:01:35.679
<v Speaker 3>stay here. Please send it away. The people of Goth

1207
01:01:35.800 --> 01:01:38.599
<v Speaker 3>cried it had. It had been with them for a

1208
01:01:38.639 --> 01:01:41.480
<v Speaker 3>short time, but it was long enough to convince them

1209
01:01:41.480 --> 01:01:44.519
<v Speaker 3>that Israel's God was dangerous. He didn't need weapons of

1210
01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:47.400
<v Speaker 3>warfare to defeat them. His presence alone was enough to

1211
01:01:47.440 --> 01:01:50.840
<v Speaker 3>strike terror in the most callous heart of Gath. The

1212
01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:54.559
<v Speaker 3>Philistine leaders met again and decided that Ikron is it

1213
01:01:54.639 --> 01:01:59.599
<v Speaker 3>Ekron Akron, that Akron would be rest would be the

1214
01:01:59.599 --> 01:02:04.119
<v Speaker 3>resting for Israel's God. Soldiers once again take up Israel's

1215
01:02:04.119 --> 01:02:07.119
<v Speaker 3>god and move it onto another home. As soon as

1216
01:02:07.159 --> 01:02:09.679
<v Speaker 3>the people of Ekron see the large blue structure coming

1217
01:02:09.719 --> 01:02:11.960
<v Speaker 3>their way, they go into a panic. They have heard

1218
01:02:12.000 --> 01:02:15.719
<v Speaker 3>the stories from Ashdod and Goth. They want no part

1219
01:02:15.960 --> 01:02:18.840
<v Speaker 3>of this in their city. They have brought around us

1220
01:02:18.880 --> 01:02:21.679
<v Speaker 3>the arc of the God of Israel to kill us

1221
01:02:21.719 --> 01:02:23.880
<v Speaker 3>and our people. So that's how it was being seen

1222
01:02:23.920 --> 01:02:25.960
<v Speaker 3>because it had happened already in two different cities.

1223
01:02:26.440 --> 01:02:31.119
<v Speaker 2>Yep, I'm telling you, dude, this people gotta learn. I

1224
01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:32.440
<v Speaker 2>guess the hard way. Sadly.

1225
01:02:33.039 --> 01:02:35.480
<v Speaker 1>Look, it took the Pharaoh, like how many things before

1226
01:02:35.480 --> 01:02:38.440
<v Speaker 1>he finally let the people go? How many plagues and shit,

1227
01:02:38.519 --> 01:02:41.239
<v Speaker 1>his own firstborn son had to die before he'd finally

1228
01:02:41.360 --> 01:02:44.199
<v Speaker 1>let it happen, had to see the Red Sea parted

1229
01:02:44.280 --> 01:02:47.800
<v Speaker 1>and shit. Look, some people they need real physical proof

1230
01:02:48.199 --> 01:02:51.199
<v Speaker 1>and then get all upset when God provides a certain

1231
01:02:51.239 --> 01:02:52.039
<v Speaker 1>physical proof.

1232
01:02:52.119 --> 01:02:55.079
<v Speaker 3>But I mean, you know, right, right, So I kind

1233
01:02:55.079 --> 01:02:58.320
<v Speaker 3>of just wanted that was like a more detailed kind

1234
01:02:58.360 --> 01:03:04.000
<v Speaker 3>of story, And it may have been just rendering imagination

1235
01:03:04.159 --> 01:03:06.280
<v Speaker 3>to how the story went, But I think that it's

1236
01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:08.440
<v Speaker 3>not necessarily taken out of context.

1237
01:03:09.199 --> 01:03:11.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know, I mean again, I'm not like an

1238
01:03:11.320 --> 01:03:13.360
<v Speaker 1>expert on this one. I would have to dig deeper,

1239
01:03:13.400 --> 01:03:16.280
<v Speaker 1>but I will be Oh, I will be digging deeper

1240
01:03:16.280 --> 01:03:16.760
<v Speaker 1>on that one.

1241
01:03:16.760 --> 01:03:18.719
<v Speaker 2>But I would love to know what the.

1242
01:03:18.639 --> 01:03:22.000
<v Speaker 1>Source is for that stuff, like the historical actual sources.

1243
01:03:22.239 --> 01:03:24.599
<v Speaker 1>They would have had record of that, all of the

1244
01:03:24.719 --> 01:03:28.320
<v Speaker 1>kings and all of the lords unanimously agreeing to move

1245
01:03:28.440 --> 01:03:31.159
<v Speaker 1>something specific from point A to point B and making

1246
01:03:31.199 --> 01:03:33.480
<v Speaker 1>a whole procession of it because it was the God

1247
01:03:33.559 --> 01:03:36.480
<v Speaker 1>of the Israelites. Like, There's gonna be more on that one,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm kind of shocked that I've never heard of

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01:03:38.719 --> 01:03:39.280
<v Speaker 1>that before.

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01:03:40.039 --> 01:03:42.599
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, dude, there's a bunch of like little cool stories

1251
01:03:42.639 --> 01:03:45.400
<v Speaker 3>that you can find in the Bible like this. But

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01:03:45.480 --> 01:03:47.719
<v Speaker 3>the reason why we bring it up is to just

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01:03:47.800 --> 01:03:53.000
<v Speaker 3>show how, you know, the Catholic Church is not necessarily

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01:03:54.480 --> 01:03:58.440
<v Speaker 3>team Bible. I'm just gonna throw that out there. But anyway,

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01:03:58.559 --> 01:04:00.639
<v Speaker 3>so getting back, I just kind of wanted to lay

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01:04:00.639 --> 01:04:03.079
<v Speaker 3>the whole story out of Dagon, and you know, Dagon

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01:04:03.159 --> 01:04:04.960
<v Speaker 3>fell in the presence of God, which was the Ark

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01:04:05.000 --> 01:04:07.599
<v Speaker 3>of the Covenant, and every single time that the Ark

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01:04:07.639 --> 01:04:09.679
<v Speaker 3>of the Covenant went to a certain city that wasn't

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01:04:09.719 --> 01:04:13.920
<v Speaker 3>worshiping the god of the Israelites. They all got tumors

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01:04:13.960 --> 01:04:14.880
<v Speaker 3>and basically.

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01:04:14.519 --> 01:04:18.400
<v Speaker 2>Died, no doubt, no doubt, that's a very fair comparison.

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<v Speaker 3>So then Dagon who I mean fell and the statue

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01:04:23.519 --> 01:04:25.639
<v Speaker 3>broke a couple of times, the head fell off, the

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01:04:25.719 --> 01:04:28.800
<v Speaker 3>hands were falling off, and shit, which is very representative.

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01:04:29.000 --> 01:04:30.760
<v Speaker 3>I mean, even the guy that went to go take

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01:04:30.800 --> 01:04:34.559
<v Speaker 3>the tongs to take the blanket off tripped on a

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01:04:34.639 --> 01:04:38.199
<v Speaker 3>tile and it fucking stabbed into death. Like this is

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01:04:38.599 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 3>nothing but like bad luck every time you're around this

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01:04:41.599 --> 01:04:44.519
<v Speaker 3>kind of this, this this thing, right, if you were

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01:04:44.559 --> 01:04:45.119
<v Speaker 3>against it.

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01:04:45.920 --> 01:04:49.280
<v Speaker 1>Keep in mind, even there's a record of Israelites dying

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01:04:49.320 --> 01:04:52.960
<v Speaker 1>because they touched it, their own priests would die if

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01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:54.960
<v Speaker 1>they were in the presence of it and weren't correct

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01:04:54.960 --> 01:04:57.840
<v Speaker 1>in what they were doing. Like understand, this wasn't like

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01:04:57.880 --> 01:04:59.800
<v Speaker 1>it was just against the bad guys. Basically, if you

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01:04:59.840 --> 01:05:01.880
<v Speaker 1>did and do what you're supposed to be doing in

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01:05:01.920 --> 01:05:06.239
<v Speaker 1>the presence of physical gods on earth, like this is

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01:05:06.320 --> 01:05:10.800
<v Speaker 1>Yahweh's literal signature on Earth, and you're gonna be acting

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01:05:10.880 --> 01:05:11.599
<v Speaker 1>some type of way.

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01:05:11.679 --> 01:05:15.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, this was just dangerous, yeah.

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01:05:15.039 --> 01:05:17.719
<v Speaker 3>Right, right, So we I have like a couple of

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01:05:17.760 --> 01:05:19.519
<v Speaker 3>other articles that I really want to get to. But

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01:05:19.639 --> 01:05:22.880
<v Speaker 3>this is a pretty cool website. It's called Romancatholic Beliefs

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01:05:22.920 --> 01:05:26.559
<v Speaker 3>dot Org. Okay, so now we're gonna take it from

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01:05:26.559 --> 01:05:27.320
<v Speaker 3>their perspective.

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01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:30.400
<v Speaker 1>I would say, is this pro Roman Catholic or anti

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01:05:30.519 --> 01:05:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Roman Catholic? Because the name could be very you know,

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01:05:33.360 --> 01:05:34.800
<v Speaker 1>leading one way or another.

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01:05:35.719 --> 01:05:38.280
<v Speaker 3>I would venture to say that it's anti Roman Catholic.

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01:05:38.400 --> 01:05:41.639
<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's fair, that's fair. But they will probably have

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01:05:41.679 --> 01:05:42.599
<v Speaker 1>their sources cited.

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01:05:43.519 --> 01:05:46.599
<v Speaker 3>Sure, sure, so, but it says, who is the Roman

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01:05:46.639 --> 01:05:51.039
<v Speaker 3>Catholic Church really worshiping? Mmmm, let's get to the let's

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01:05:51.039 --> 01:05:53.400
<v Speaker 3>get to the bottom of that question. It says, And

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01:05:53.440 --> 01:05:55.440
<v Speaker 3>now this is all big ass website with a lot

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01:05:55.440 --> 01:05:57.800
<v Speaker 3>of information. We're not gonna read everything, but they are

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01:05:57.840 --> 01:06:02.599
<v Speaker 3>definitely citing their receipts for sure. It says this study

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01:06:02.599 --> 01:06:05.679
<v Speaker 3>will reveal the meaning of the symbols, statues, and attire

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01:06:05.840 --> 01:06:08.599
<v Speaker 3>used by the pope and the priests, as they reveal

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01:06:08.840 --> 01:06:12.840
<v Speaker 3>what the papal church is really worshiping. For thousands of years,

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01:06:12.880 --> 01:06:16.960
<v Speaker 3>pagan religions have used symbols to show which gods they worshiped.

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01:06:17.079 --> 01:06:20.320
<v Speaker 3>These symbols were declared openly in Egypt, Babylon, Rome and

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01:06:20.360 --> 01:06:22.760
<v Speaker 3>other cultures. These symbols are still used today, but their

1305
01:06:22.800 --> 01:06:26.280
<v Speaker 3>true meanings are hidden. Most people typically don't notice the

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01:06:26.320 --> 01:06:29.960
<v Speaker 3>symbol or they have a positive impression of it. The

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01:06:30.559 --> 01:06:33.440
<v Speaker 3>enlightened understand the meaning behind the symbols and they use

1308
01:06:33.519 --> 01:06:36.760
<v Speaker 3>them to communicate with others. Leaders of a Christian church

1309
01:06:36.800 --> 01:06:38.960
<v Speaker 3>should not have anything to do with the symbols of

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01:06:39.000 --> 01:06:41.880
<v Speaker 3>pagan gods. And then it cites a quote from the

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01:06:41.880 --> 01:06:46.280
<v Speaker 3>Bible from Tewod Corinthians, chapter six, verses fourteen and sixteen.

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01:06:46.719 --> 01:06:50.719
<v Speaker 3>It says, for what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And

1313
01:06:52.079 --> 01:06:55.320
<v Speaker 3>what communion has light with darkness? And what agreement has

1314
01:06:55.400 --> 01:06:57.800
<v Speaker 3>the Temple of God with idols? For you are the

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01:06:57.840 --> 01:07:01.199
<v Speaker 3>temple of the Living God. I get down with it,

1316
01:07:01.559 --> 01:07:03.800
<v Speaker 3>all right. So they kind of cite that one, but

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01:07:03.840 --> 01:07:06.480
<v Speaker 3>it says, if you're Catholic, ask yourself, are the leaders

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01:07:06.519 --> 01:07:08.559
<v Speaker 3>of the Roman Catholic Church are using all of these

1319
01:07:08.559 --> 01:07:12.400
<v Speaker 3>symbols of pagan gods? So the first one they bring up,

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01:07:12.440 --> 01:07:18.039
<v Speaker 3>it says the zuchidi the zucchetti sure which is worn

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01:07:18.079 --> 01:07:22.039
<v Speaker 3>by Catholic priests, cardinals and the pope represent respect, fear,

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01:07:22.199 --> 01:07:25.840
<v Speaker 3>and submission to Sybyl, the mother goddess of Rome.

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01:07:26.800 --> 01:07:29.559
<v Speaker 2>I thought that was the Yamica looking thing. It is.

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01:07:29.760 --> 01:07:33.840
<v Speaker 3>It is a Yamica looking thing, but the symbol on it, so,

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01:07:33.920 --> 01:07:35.880
<v Speaker 3>it says. The cap of Sybyl is one of the

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01:07:35.920 --> 01:07:39.920
<v Speaker 3>oldest and most sacred sacred pagan religious symbols of humanity,

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01:07:40.000 --> 01:07:43.360
<v Speaker 3>dating back to two thousand BC. The skull cap was

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01:07:43.400 --> 01:07:46.239
<v Speaker 3>worn by the Sun priest of Egypt. It is a thin,

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01:07:46.400 --> 01:07:49.880
<v Speaker 3>slightly rounded skull cap, now commonly known by various titles,

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01:07:49.920 --> 01:07:56.719
<v Speaker 3>including the Yarmulk and Koufi by the Jews and Muslims, respectively.

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01:07:57.239 --> 01:07:57.599
<v Speaker 2>It says.

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01:07:57.639 --> 01:08:03.079
<v Speaker 3>The Roman Catholic Church calls it the zuki or Zucchetti anyway. Anyway,

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01:08:03.280 --> 01:08:05.760
<v Speaker 3>Vatican Hill was the site of the largest ancient temple,

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01:08:05.800 --> 01:08:09.840
<v Speaker 3>the Sibyl Ashtaroth, the goddess of fertility, sexuality, and war,

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01:08:10.360 --> 01:08:15.400
<v Speaker 3>was known as Sibyl in Rome. So weird, weird The

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01:08:15.440 --> 01:08:19.039
<v Speaker 3>Bible warns against worshiping her, it says. It says, uh,

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01:08:19.119 --> 01:08:22.039
<v Speaker 3>then the children of Israel again did evil in the

1338
01:08:22.039 --> 01:08:26.159
<v Speaker 3>side of the Lord and serve the balls and Ashtaroths.

1339
01:08:27.079 --> 01:08:27.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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01:08:28.840 --> 01:08:32.399
<v Speaker 3>So then it gets into the meter, which is the

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01:08:32.439 --> 01:08:33.000
<v Speaker 3>fish hat.

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01:08:33.319 --> 01:08:33.720
<v Speaker 1>It says.

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01:08:34.000 --> 01:08:38.479
<v Speaker 3>The it might it might be meter, miter, mitra, or

1344
01:08:38.520 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Speaker 3>however you say it. But I'm just gonna say meter

1345
01:08:40.920 --> 01:08:43.039
<v Speaker 3>because I'm American, and we do American shit, and we

1346
01:08:43.039 --> 01:08:45.199
<v Speaker 3>say American shit the wrong way. That's how we do

1347
01:08:45.239 --> 01:08:48.399
<v Speaker 3>it right here. But anyway, the meter hat is worn

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01:08:48.439 --> 01:08:52.199
<v Speaker 3>by Catholic priests, cardinals, and the pope, and it represents Dagon,

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01:08:52.319 --> 01:08:56.720
<v Speaker 3>the Babylonian fish god. The ancient Babylonians worship Dagon, the

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01:08:56.720 --> 01:09:01.319
<v Speaker 3>god of agriculture, of food and good for the Babylonian

1351
01:09:01.359 --> 01:09:04.000
<v Speaker 3>priest wore a headdress that represented the worship of Sybil

1352
01:09:04.079 --> 01:09:07.680
<v Speaker 3>and Dagon. It featured an open fish mouth on the head,

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01:09:07.960 --> 01:09:10.840
<v Speaker 3>with the rest of the body forming a cloak. And

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01:09:10.880 --> 01:09:13.640
<v Speaker 3>the Roman Empire is worn by the head priest of

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01:09:13.720 --> 01:09:19.720
<v Speaker 3>Sibyl or the Great Queen Mother Goddess. And we always

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01:09:19.720 --> 01:09:22.439
<v Speaker 3>talk about how the Roman Church is, Like, dude, they

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01:09:22.479 --> 01:09:24.880
<v Speaker 3>put Mary up there with Jesus, like they're basically one

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01:09:24.920 --> 01:09:26.439
<v Speaker 3>and one in the Catholic Church, right.

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01:09:26.920 --> 01:09:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Well, they believe that Mary is the Mother.

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01:09:28.920 --> 01:09:31.960
<v Speaker 3>Of God, yeah, the Holy Vessel.

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01:09:33.039 --> 01:09:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Well yes, But then this is where I differ from

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01:09:37.279 --> 01:09:40.159
<v Speaker 1>Catholics as far as my belief on what Mary is

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01:09:40.239 --> 01:09:41.920
<v Speaker 1>and who she is. I don't think she was just

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01:09:42.000 --> 01:09:44.439
<v Speaker 1>some chick like she wouldn't just some girl that only

1365
01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:45.520
<v Speaker 1>gave birth to Jesus.

1366
01:09:45.319 --> 01:09:45.840
<v Speaker 2>And that was it.

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01:09:45.920 --> 01:09:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Like no, No, she was incredibly important for a lot

1368
01:09:48.840 --> 01:09:53.079
<v Speaker 1>of reasons. But the Catholic faith basically teaches that this

1369
01:09:53.239 --> 01:09:56.600
<v Speaker 1>was the mother of Yahweh and the mother of Jesus

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01:09:57.000 --> 01:10:01.119
<v Speaker 1>because the two are inseparables. Therefore we have to look

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01:10:01.159 --> 01:10:05.359
<v Speaker 1>at her as some sort of like deity mother right

1372
01:10:05.560 --> 01:10:06.399
<v Speaker 1>well herself.

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01:10:06.960 --> 01:10:10.640
<v Speaker 2>And I respectfully disagree.

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01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:13.319
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, and I will actually say that within Wicca,

1375
01:10:13.399 --> 01:10:16.279
<v Speaker 3>in witchcraft and a lot of other religions as well,

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01:10:16.319 --> 01:10:19.880
<v Speaker 3>there's always a father God and a mother God like there.

1377
01:10:20.000 --> 01:10:22.560
<v Speaker 3>And so whenever you're seeing the Catholic Church is also

1378
01:10:22.600 --> 01:10:26.359
<v Speaker 3>incorporating this into their beliefs. I mean that it's it

1379
01:10:26.439 --> 01:10:30.439
<v Speaker 3>absolutely stems from paganism, you know. So maybe this is

1380
01:10:30.479 --> 01:10:34.399
<v Speaker 3>why they put so much respect on Mary's name, because

1381
01:10:34.399 --> 01:10:35.960
<v Speaker 3>they need that mother goddess.

1382
01:10:37.119 --> 01:10:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but anyhow.

1383
01:10:39.319 --> 01:10:42.159
<v Speaker 3>It says today Catholic cardinals, bishops and the Pope all

1384
01:10:42.159 --> 01:10:46.359
<v Speaker 3>where the open fish mouth meter, which represents the worship

1385
01:10:46.399 --> 01:10:50.000
<v Speaker 3>of Sybil and Dagon, the meter hat of Dagon is

1386
01:10:49.319 --> 01:10:53.239
<v Speaker 3>a is always worn over the Kippa of Astroth slash

1387
01:10:53.239 --> 01:10:55.880
<v Speaker 3>Sybyl as you can see in the picture of Pope

1388
01:10:55.880 --> 01:11:00.119
<v Speaker 3>Francis the first, so you can see right there that

1389
01:11:00.159 --> 01:11:02.319
<v Speaker 3>it goes, it goes all the way down, just like

1390
01:11:02.359 --> 01:11:07.279
<v Speaker 3>the original, the og you know, symbolism of it, no doubt.

1391
01:11:07.840 --> 01:11:10.680
<v Speaker 3>It said God warned the Jews not to worship the

1392
01:11:10.680 --> 01:11:14.479
<v Speaker 3>gods of Babylon, and the quote from Jeremiah, Jeremiah, chapter one,

1393
01:11:14.560 --> 01:11:17.399
<v Speaker 3>verse sixteen, it says, I will pronounce my judgments on

1394
01:11:17.439 --> 01:11:21.039
<v Speaker 3>them concerning all their wickedness, whereby they have forsaken me

1395
01:11:21.079 --> 01:11:25.960
<v Speaker 3>and have offered sacrifices to other gods and worshiped the

1396
01:11:26.000 --> 01:11:29.800
<v Speaker 3>works on their own hands. So don't do that, because

1397
01:11:29.800 --> 01:11:33.239
<v Speaker 3>it's a jealous God, right right, right. Then it gets

1398
01:11:33.239 --> 01:11:38.079
<v Speaker 3>into the obelisks of Saint Peter's Square, represents the worship

1399
01:11:38.119 --> 01:11:40.000
<v Speaker 3>of the sun God. We're not necessarily going to get

1400
01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.600
<v Speaker 3>in that. And it talks about, you know how the

1401
01:11:44.119 --> 01:11:47.359
<v Speaker 3>during the sunrise on the vernal equinox, the sun causes

1402
01:11:47.399 --> 01:11:50.800
<v Speaker 3>the opolisk to cast its shadows towards the dome of

1403
01:11:51.640 --> 01:11:55.319
<v Speaker 3>Saint Peter's Basilica, which represents the sexual union of the

1404
01:11:55.359 --> 01:11:59.960
<v Speaker 3>Sun god and moon goddess. So even within like peg

1405
01:12:00.079 --> 01:12:03.319
<v Speaker 3>in worship and a bunch of other religious warship, you

1406
01:12:03.319 --> 01:12:05.800
<v Speaker 3>would always have the Father God and the Mother God,

1407
01:12:05.840 --> 01:12:09.359
<v Speaker 3>which usually whenever you're talking about astrology, would be representative

1408
01:12:09.399 --> 01:12:11.359
<v Speaker 3>of the Father God being the Sun, the Mother God

1409
01:12:11.399 --> 01:12:16.399
<v Speaker 3>being the moon. Yeah, so you see right there, Why

1410
01:12:16.399 --> 01:12:18.279
<v Speaker 3>are you incorporating this, You're a Christian book.

1411
01:12:19.079 --> 01:12:21.640
<v Speaker 1>So as far as where the Vaticans laid out, that

1412
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:24.399
<v Speaker 1>obelisk and that church are on the grounds of what

1413
01:12:24.520 --> 01:12:27.840
<v Speaker 1>was once Nero's circus, and a lot of the games

1414
01:12:27.880 --> 01:12:31.640
<v Speaker 1>were done in honor of gods, right, So to have

1415
01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:33.760
<v Speaker 1>some sort of thing line up like that for pagan

1416
01:12:33.840 --> 01:12:37.439
<v Speaker 1>reasons I understand completely. But I find it very interesting

1417
01:12:37.479 --> 01:12:39.960
<v Speaker 1>that the Catholic Church built their home on top of

1418
01:12:40.079 --> 01:12:43.800
<v Speaker 1>Nero's circus, where Saint Peter was executed.

1419
01:12:43.359 --> 01:12:47.279
<v Speaker 3>Of all places, out of all places, right, yeah, Well,

1420
01:12:47.439 --> 01:12:50.319
<v Speaker 3>then it gets into the six sided star is the

1421
01:12:50.359 --> 01:12:55.399
<v Speaker 3>supreme symbol of Satanic tyranny, it says, So, so anyway,

1422
01:12:55.560 --> 01:12:58.000
<v Speaker 3>what does that mean? It says the hexagram has been

1423
01:12:58.079 --> 01:13:01.840
<v Speaker 3>used by people such as pagan Babbelonians, Egyptians, and Assyrians

1424
01:13:01.880 --> 01:13:07.319
<v Speaker 3>to directly or indirectly worship Satan through the church's eyes.

1425
01:13:08.359 --> 01:13:12.840
<v Speaker 3>Helena Blovatsky wrote that Lucifer is the true God, and

1426
01:13:12.880 --> 01:13:16.920
<v Speaker 3>she incorporated the hexagram in the emblem of the Theosophical Society,

1427
01:13:16.960 --> 01:13:21.640
<v Speaker 3>which was founded in eighteen seventy five. Satanists, Luciferians, astrologers

1428
01:13:21.640 --> 01:13:24.279
<v Speaker 3>in witches use it to invoke the power of demons.

1429
01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:28.199
<v Speaker 3>The six sided star numerically. Listen to this, The six

1430
01:13:28.279 --> 01:13:31.840
<v Speaker 3>sided star numerically equals six to six six, because if

1431
01:13:31.920 --> 01:13:34.680
<v Speaker 3>you look at it, it has six points six triangles

1432
01:13:34.720 --> 01:13:37.199
<v Speaker 3>and it is a six sided hexagon.

1433
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

1434
01:13:38.520 --> 01:13:41.119
<v Speaker 1>We talked about that with the the Black Cube of

1435
01:13:41.199 --> 01:13:44.079
<v Speaker 1>Saturn episode, because when you look at it, the inner

1436
01:13:44.119 --> 01:13:47.359
<v Speaker 1>square of the Star of David is a hexagram. There

1437
01:13:47.399 --> 01:13:50.079
<v Speaker 1>is six points, there's six triangles, and if you even

1438
01:13:50.239 --> 01:13:52.159
<v Speaker 1>any way you look at it, it breaks down to

1439
01:13:52.199 --> 01:13:53.399
<v Speaker 1>that number for sure.

1440
01:13:54.039 --> 01:13:58.600
<v Speaker 3>Big facts. Also, you know, you get into the hole

1441
01:13:58.920 --> 01:14:01.920
<v Speaker 3>the Holy Cross, which whenever you box it up it

1442
01:14:01.960 --> 01:14:04.279
<v Speaker 3>turns into a cube, and that could be also seen

1443
01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:08.079
<v Speaker 3>as satan worship as well. But anyway, it says Christians

1444
01:14:08.079 --> 01:14:10.000
<v Speaker 3>pass it off as the Star of David, but the

1445
01:14:10.039 --> 01:14:13.039
<v Speaker 3>truth is that King David never used a star, so

1446
01:14:13.159 --> 01:14:17.079
<v Speaker 3>calling it a nice sounding name hides what it really represents.

1447
01:14:17.399 --> 01:14:22.039
<v Speaker 3>King Solomon used it in witchcraft, magic and idolatrous worship

1448
01:14:22.159 --> 01:14:26.439
<v Speaker 3>to Astrooth and Mulloch. Yeah, so calling it the star

1449
01:14:26.520 --> 01:14:28.359
<v Speaker 3>of David, you're full of shit.

1450
01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:33.479
<v Speaker 1>There's no reference anywhere ever, period ever, to say that

1451
01:14:33.640 --> 01:14:37.119
<v Speaker 1>King David had some sort of a star associated with him.

1452
01:14:37.239 --> 01:14:38.760
<v Speaker 1>As a matter of fact, the only time he could

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01:14:38.760 --> 01:14:41.079
<v Speaker 1>find stars associated with anything like that in the Old

1454
01:14:41.119 --> 01:14:43.159
<v Speaker 1>Testament is stars to Bail.

1455
01:14:43.920 --> 01:14:46.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, it actually even points it out in the Bible

1456
01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:49.880
<v Speaker 3>in Acts seven forty three, where it says, and you

1457
01:14:49.960 --> 01:14:52.640
<v Speaker 3>took up the tent of Moloch and the star of

1458
01:14:52.680 --> 01:14:56.079
<v Speaker 3>your god, rem fan the figures which you made in

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01:14:56.239 --> 01:14:57.920
<v Speaker 3>order to worship them.

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01:14:58.279 --> 01:14:58.560
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

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01:14:59.159 --> 01:15:03.079
<v Speaker 3>So there's the star being represented right there, right, So.

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01:15:03.359 --> 01:15:06.000
<v Speaker 1>To these deities, the moles, the bails, the rim fans,

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01:15:06.039 --> 01:15:07.600
<v Speaker 1>the quote unquote demon.

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01:15:08.840 --> 01:15:11.119
<v Speaker 3>Right right. So now I want to get over here

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01:15:11.479 --> 01:15:16.359
<v Speaker 3>where Oh shit, it's also mentioned in Revelation Dagon is

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01:15:17.239 --> 01:15:22.920
<v Speaker 3>Let's go. Revelation thirteen says that that Satan the dragon

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01:15:23.119 --> 01:15:27.560
<v Speaker 3>gives authority to the Antichrist Beast. So Dagon and Dragon,

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01:15:27.680 --> 01:15:30.560
<v Speaker 3>we're gonna see if they actually match up, and uh,

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01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:33.119
<v Speaker 3>let's I'm just gonna give it away. They do Okay,

1470
01:15:33.159 --> 01:15:36.000
<v Speaker 3>they do. We're gonna get to that. So whenever you

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01:15:36.039 --> 01:15:39.840
<v Speaker 3>see Dragon, just think Dagon for a second, and I

1472
01:15:39.920 --> 01:15:41.520
<v Speaker 3>promise you that it will match up.

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01:15:42.079 --> 01:15:42.479
<v Speaker 2>All right.

1474
01:15:42.720 --> 01:15:45.439
<v Speaker 3>So the Bible calls Satan the great dragon who deceives

1475
01:15:45.479 --> 01:15:48.760
<v Speaker 3>the world, so the great and this is Revelation twelve nine.

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01:15:48.880 --> 01:15:51.239
<v Speaker 3>It says, so the great dragon was cast out the

1477
01:15:51.279 --> 01:15:54.520
<v Speaker 3>serpent of old, called the devil, and Satan, who deceives

1478
01:15:54.560 --> 01:15:56.640
<v Speaker 3>the whole world. He was cast to the earth, and

1479
01:15:56.640 --> 01:15:59.359
<v Speaker 3>his angels were cast out with him. So and then

1480
01:15:59.399 --> 01:16:02.359
<v Speaker 3>it gets into relation thirteen and it says, so they

1481
01:16:02.439 --> 01:16:05.359
<v Speaker 3>worshiped the dragon, who gave authority to the beast, and

1482
01:16:05.399 --> 01:16:08.159
<v Speaker 3>they worshiped the beast, saying, who is like the beast

1483
01:16:08.319 --> 01:16:11.399
<v Speaker 3>who is able to make war with him? All right, So,

1484
01:16:12.520 --> 01:16:14.920
<v Speaker 3>now you're starting to see that if Dagon and Dragon

1485
01:16:14.960 --> 01:16:17.119
<v Speaker 3>are the same thing, and you're starting to see that

1486
01:16:17.199 --> 01:16:19.640
<v Speaker 3>Dagon the fish at that the pope is ultimately wearing,

1487
01:16:19.800 --> 01:16:24.520
<v Speaker 3>and its representation and its connection to awanis and the

1488
01:16:24.680 --> 01:16:28.399
<v Speaker 3>historical context and the biblical context of Dagon. Now you're

1489
01:16:28.439 --> 01:16:30.079
<v Speaker 3>starting to look at the pope in a different manner,

1490
01:16:30.199 --> 01:16:32.960
<v Speaker 3>as if you needed another thing to look at him differently.

1491
01:16:33.680 --> 01:16:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, absolutely right, bro.

1492
01:16:36.279 --> 01:16:39.199
<v Speaker 3>So that's that was just a fun little website I

1493
01:16:39.319 --> 01:16:42.000
<v Speaker 3>want to get into. But this one, this is a

1494
01:16:42.119 --> 01:16:45.000
<v Speaker 3>very interesting pages here as well. This is hub pages.

1495
01:16:45.079 --> 01:16:48.600
<v Speaker 3>I believe it's just like certain authors will write certain

1496
01:16:48.680 --> 01:16:51.960
<v Speaker 3>articles on it. But it's called it says Dagon worshiped

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01:16:51.960 --> 01:16:54.199
<v Speaker 3>the fish God in Christianity. Now, we already went over

1498
01:16:54.359 --> 01:16:56.000
<v Speaker 3>a good little chunk of what they're going to be

1499
01:16:56.039 --> 01:16:58.319
<v Speaker 3>talking about here, but I did want to get to

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01:16:58.399 --> 01:17:03.239
<v Speaker 3>a couple of things that nobody talks about. So all right,

1501
01:17:03.359 --> 01:17:05.199
<v Speaker 3>you know what we're gonna start right here. It says

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01:17:05.199 --> 01:17:08.239
<v Speaker 3>the Philistines were also a part of and considered the Canaanites,

1503
01:17:08.399 --> 01:17:11.760
<v Speaker 3>and they worship ball a start day and Dagon. Here

1504
01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:15.159
<v Speaker 3>once again, as in all sun worshiping cultures, we have

1505
01:17:15.239 --> 01:17:19.039
<v Speaker 3>a trinity. Dagon means fish God in Hebrew. See Strong's

1506
01:17:19.199 --> 01:17:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Concordance number seventeen twelve. So I like that they mentioned

1507
01:17:21.840 --> 01:17:26.199
<v Speaker 3>Strong's concordance. We like that, No doubt uh day gown

1508
01:17:26.560 --> 01:17:31.239
<v Speaker 3>or degone gown day gown. Yeah, it's spelled basically dug

1509
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.520
<v Speaker 3>gown the fish God. We can still see the worship

1510
01:17:35.520 --> 01:17:37.479
<v Speaker 3>played out today. Just look at the Catholic Church, the

1511
01:17:37.479 --> 01:17:40.199
<v Speaker 3>pope and the and the bishop's meters. It is the

1512
01:17:40.239 --> 01:17:43.600
<v Speaker 3>same today as it was in Philistine or Philistine Today

1513
01:17:43.640 --> 01:17:47.079
<v Speaker 3>the name Dagon is replaced by the name itch this.

1514
01:17:47.520 --> 01:17:48.239
<v Speaker 3>Is that how you say that?

1515
01:17:49.239 --> 01:17:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Ikethy?

1516
01:17:50.479 --> 01:17:52.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's a symbol, right, we've all seen that before,

1517
01:17:53.000 --> 01:17:56.319
<v Speaker 3>and I'll show you how we see it. So ikethys

1518
01:17:56.359 --> 01:18:00.560
<v Speaker 3>means fish in Greek. See the Strongs Concordance number twenty

1519
01:18:00.560 --> 01:18:03.840
<v Speaker 3>four eighty six. So the church will tell you that,

1520
01:18:04.359 --> 01:18:05.920
<v Speaker 3>would you say ichth this? Itch this?

1521
01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:08.199
<v Speaker 2>I think ick this?

1522
01:18:09.279 --> 01:18:11.079
<v Speaker 3>The Church will tell you that ick this is an

1523
01:18:11.079 --> 01:18:17.840
<v Speaker 3>acronym for Eos eolsos Christos theos eo uo soder some

1524
01:18:17.960 --> 01:18:22.880
<v Speaker 3>Greek shit probably translated to ingrid to English. This reads

1525
01:18:23.119 --> 01:18:27.439
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ, god Son, Savior. But in truth it is

1526
01:18:27.479 --> 01:18:32.039
<v Speaker 3>the continuation of dagon worship, all right. So, and this

1527
01:18:32.079 --> 01:18:34.920
<v Speaker 3>is speculation. This is just people trying to break down symbols,

1528
01:18:34.920 --> 01:18:36.680
<v Speaker 3>So don't get your panties in a bunch. They do

1529
01:18:36.760 --> 01:18:39.359
<v Speaker 3>have receipts and you can see what they mean by this.

1530
01:18:39.960 --> 01:18:42.159
<v Speaker 1>No, no, I've I've just it's been a long time

1531
01:18:42.199 --> 01:18:45.439
<v Speaker 1>since I've heard that phrase ick this even being used.

1532
01:18:45.640 --> 01:18:47.680
<v Speaker 1>So I have no idea where this is going to

1533
01:18:47.720 --> 01:18:48.159
<v Speaker 1>be honest.

1534
01:18:48.560 --> 01:18:52.680
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, whenever you see the fish symbol representing Jesus,

1535
01:18:53.119 --> 01:18:57.439
<v Speaker 3>Yeah no, no, not so talking about fish cotts here.

1536
01:18:57.720 --> 01:19:00.000
<v Speaker 3>So let's see what Let's see how they break it down.

1537
01:19:00.840 --> 01:19:03.239
<v Speaker 3>It says, if you look at the monogram of Icknus

1538
01:19:03.359 --> 01:19:07.359
<v Speaker 3>written in Greek, is I X O U S the

1539
01:19:07.560 --> 01:19:10.000
<v Speaker 3>I X and s. So if you just look at

1540
01:19:10.039 --> 01:19:13.600
<v Speaker 3>the I, X and s the first, second and last letter,

1541
01:19:13.840 --> 01:19:16.680
<v Speaker 3>and superimpose them on top of each other, and you

1542
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:20.239
<v Speaker 3>get the six six six symbol spoken of in revelation.

1543
01:19:20.600 --> 01:19:22.880
<v Speaker 3>And this is why we have all the fish symbols

1544
01:19:22.880 --> 01:19:26.359
<v Speaker 3>in Christianity. So let's see what they mean by that.

1545
01:19:26.800 --> 01:19:29.560
<v Speaker 3>It says the Bible states in revelation, that the beast

1546
01:19:29.600 --> 01:19:33.600
<v Speaker 3>shall rise out of the sea. Interesting, the beast comes

1547
01:19:33.600 --> 01:19:37.760
<v Speaker 3>from the sea right. And I stood the dragon, if

1548
01:19:37.800 --> 01:19:40.439
<v Speaker 3>you will, if you must, And it says, and I

1549
01:19:40.439 --> 01:19:42.439
<v Speaker 3>stood upon the sand of the sea, and I saw

1550
01:19:42.479 --> 01:19:44.760
<v Speaker 3>a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven

1551
01:19:44.800 --> 01:19:47.720
<v Speaker 3>heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns,

1552
01:19:47.720 --> 01:19:50.960
<v Speaker 3>and upon his heads the same the name of blasphemy

1553
01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:54.479
<v Speaker 3>it is also, or it is is this also the

1554
01:19:54.520 --> 01:19:58.039
<v Speaker 3>reason they call it the Holy c see as opposed

1555
01:19:58.039 --> 01:19:58.560
<v Speaker 3>to sea.

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01:19:59.279 --> 01:19:59.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

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01:19:59.760 --> 01:20:03.199
<v Speaker 3>Well, there are a lot of fish swimming around this pond,

1558
01:20:03.399 --> 01:20:05.920
<v Speaker 3>and this is why we have maritime law, also called

1559
01:20:05.960 --> 01:20:09.279
<v Speaker 3>admiralty law. What it all boils down to is that

1560
01:20:09.319 --> 01:20:13.600
<v Speaker 3>this is all this is all revolved around sun worship.

1561
01:20:13.680 --> 01:20:17.760
<v Speaker 3>They say making the sun, which represents Satan as the creator,

1562
01:20:17.840 --> 01:20:21.800
<v Speaker 3>as a generative force. So where you see rate here

1563
01:20:21.840 --> 01:20:24.399
<v Speaker 3>the fish symbol ick this written in Greek, and then

1564
01:20:24.760 --> 01:20:26.880
<v Speaker 3>you can see that it gets into the six to

1565
01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:30.199
<v Speaker 3>six to six symbol, which I'm I've never seen that before,

1566
01:20:30.520 --> 01:20:32.720
<v Speaker 3>but supposedly this is the six to six to six

1567
01:20:32.760 --> 01:20:34.479
<v Speaker 3>symbol from John in Revelation.

1568
01:20:36.239 --> 01:20:38.920
<v Speaker 1>So I get I'm with you. I've never seen that

1569
01:20:39.079 --> 01:20:42.439
<v Speaker 1>particular sigil before. And I'm gonna be honest. The fish

1570
01:20:42.560 --> 01:20:45.039
<v Speaker 1>with the Greek letters on the inside, I've seen the

1571
01:20:45.079 --> 01:20:48.520
<v Speaker 1>fish before. I've never seen a fish with Greek letters

1572
01:20:48.800 --> 01:20:51.359
<v Speaker 1>on like a car decal. I've seen the fish with

1573
01:20:51.439 --> 01:20:54.000
<v Speaker 1>like the word love on the inside or something like that,

1574
01:20:54.079 --> 01:20:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I think, or Jesus. But to that point, everybody, if

1575
01:20:59.039 --> 01:21:01.439
<v Speaker 1>you ask them what fish comes from, they say it's

1576
01:21:01.479 --> 01:21:03.920
<v Speaker 1>a symbol of Jesus, you know, fisher of men. And

1577
01:21:03.960 --> 01:21:07.560
<v Speaker 1>he turned the two loaves and seven fish into a whole.

1578
01:21:07.359 --> 01:21:08.399
<v Speaker 2>Thing for the masses.

1579
01:21:08.479 --> 01:21:13.039
<v Speaker 1>And if you ask them where that actual symbol comes from, right,

1580
01:21:13.159 --> 01:21:16.920
<v Speaker 1>that actual iconic bumper sticker we've seen a million times.

1581
01:21:17.760 --> 01:21:20.680
<v Speaker 1>Most Christians will say that it comes from when they

1582
01:21:20.720 --> 01:21:23.439
<v Speaker 1>tried to stone Mary Magdalen, and they asked Jesus what

1583
01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:25.640
<v Speaker 1>he thought about it, and he went and squatted down

1584
01:21:25.680 --> 01:21:28.119
<v Speaker 1>and started, you know, doodling in the sand with his finger.

1585
01:21:28.399 --> 01:21:30.880
<v Speaker 1>He drew the fish. And that's just what people believe.

1586
01:21:31.720 --> 01:21:34.880
<v Speaker 1>That's not what happened when you read that story. Nothing

1587
01:21:34.920 --> 01:21:37.079
<v Speaker 1>about a fish ever came up with that whole story.

1588
01:21:37.079 --> 01:21:40.399
<v Speaker 1>He drew the sins of all of everybody in attendance

1589
01:21:40.479 --> 01:21:43.439
<v Speaker 1>on the ground, nothing about a fish. So then you

1590
01:21:43.520 --> 01:21:46.760
<v Speaker 1>think where, well, then where does this actual image come from?

1591
01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:49.520
<v Speaker 2>Yo, no Christian actually can answer that.

1592
01:21:50.880 --> 01:21:54.039
<v Speaker 3>Well, it shrouded in mystery, that's for sure. But as

1593
01:21:54.079 --> 01:21:57.359
<v Speaker 3>they said up here, the uh if you look at

1594
01:21:57.399 --> 01:21:59.920
<v Speaker 3>the monogram, the I and the X and the S.

1595
01:22:00.319 --> 01:22:02.800
<v Speaker 3>If you if you take the I, X, O, U, S,

1596
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:07.399
<v Speaker 3>which which is the ichthys the Greek letters of of

1597
01:22:07.520 --> 01:22:10.600
<v Speaker 3>the of ikthus, which would be the ix and S,

1598
01:22:10.880 --> 01:22:13.880
<v Speaker 3>and you'll see it right here, here's the I the

1599
01:22:14.159 --> 01:22:17.520
<v Speaker 3>X and the S right. It's a weirdness, but you

1600
01:22:17.560 --> 01:22:19.920
<v Speaker 3>can see that this may have been. And now I

1601
01:22:19.920 --> 01:22:23.039
<v Speaker 3>don't I didn't read all of Revelation. I find some

1602
01:22:23.079 --> 01:22:25.640
<v Speaker 3>of it, you know, interesting, but it's it's hard to interpret.

1603
01:22:26.840 --> 01:22:29.000
<v Speaker 3>But this may have been the symbol that they were

1604
01:22:29.039 --> 01:22:32.239
<v Speaker 3>referring to, or that that John was referring to. Okay,

1605
01:22:32.880 --> 01:22:35.920
<v Speaker 3>So then you see Raid here checking out Pope Francis

1606
01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:38.279
<v Speaker 3>with a cross with the image of a fish on it.

1607
01:22:38.439 --> 01:22:41.359
<v Speaker 3>He's wearing the fish hat and he has the cross

1608
01:22:41.399 --> 01:22:44.760
<v Speaker 3>with two little fishies swimming on both sides yep.

1609
01:22:44.840 --> 01:22:45.560
<v Speaker 2>One percent.

1610
01:22:46.079 --> 01:22:48.560
<v Speaker 3>And then over here Pope Francis kissing an image of

1611
01:22:48.600 --> 01:22:54.800
<v Speaker 3>the Virgin of a parsi a parsida, a pasida apasida,

1612
01:22:55.119 --> 01:22:57.760
<v Speaker 3>a black Mary of the World Youth Day Mass of

1613
01:22:57.840 --> 01:22:59.840
<v Speaker 3>July twenty thirteen. So he's kissing his fish.

1614
01:23:00.199 --> 01:23:00.479
<v Speaker 2>There.

1615
01:23:01.840 --> 01:23:05.279
<v Speaker 3>Then it says Dagon and the Catholic Church and Mary.

1616
01:23:05.479 --> 01:23:09.199
<v Speaker 3>This should be interesting. Deagon, the name given by the Philistines,

1617
01:23:09.319 --> 01:23:12.000
<v Speaker 3>was the same sun god of the Egyptians who had

1618
01:23:12.039 --> 01:23:14.680
<v Speaker 3>plunged into the waters of the womb to be reborn.

1619
01:23:15.079 --> 01:23:19.479
<v Speaker 3>This may be why the Catholic Church pray to marry oh,

1620
01:23:19.800 --> 01:23:23.319
<v Speaker 3>fuck me, that's interesting, and it could It could be

1621
01:23:23.760 --> 01:23:27.560
<v Speaker 3>instead of Mary, it could be Mayor or maice, Mare

1622
01:23:28.000 --> 01:23:35.720
<v Speaker 3>or MRIs, the Latin name for the ocean or the sea. Ah.

1623
01:23:36.439 --> 01:23:39.199
<v Speaker 2>If any birth to Dagon his mother, if you will.

1624
01:23:39.359 --> 01:23:41.600
<v Speaker 3>If anyone wants to join the church today, what do

1625
01:23:41.640 --> 01:23:44.279
<v Speaker 3>they have to do? They have to get baptized. For

1626
01:23:44.399 --> 01:23:48.399
<v Speaker 3>most Protestants, they have to be baptized by immersion, plunged

1627
01:23:48.439 --> 01:23:50.840
<v Speaker 3>into the waters of the womb to be reborn, it

1628
01:23:50.920 --> 01:23:53.640
<v Speaker 3>says an initiation of sorts and a top it all

1629
01:23:53.720 --> 01:23:56.439
<v Speaker 3>offt the initiate has to accept Jesus Christ as their

1630
01:23:56.439 --> 01:23:59.439
<v Speaker 3>personal savior. The name Jesus. Oh, this might be going

1631
01:23:59.479 --> 01:24:03.199
<v Speaker 3>a little far. Let's see. By the way, these aren't

1632
01:24:03.199 --> 01:24:06.159
<v Speaker 3>my opinions. I just want to I'm just presenting what

1633
01:24:06.279 --> 01:24:06.640
<v Speaker 3>I found.

1634
01:24:06.880 --> 01:24:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Okay, good, dude, you're good.

1635
01:24:08.439 --> 01:24:12.239
<v Speaker 3>The name Jesus Christ represents Dagon, and the pope represents

1636
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.319
<v Speaker 3>Jesus Christ here on earth. He represents Dagon here on earth.

1637
01:24:15.640 --> 01:24:19.560
<v Speaker 3>Dagon is also the Greek Poseidon or the Roman Neptune.

1638
01:24:20.199 --> 01:24:23.840
<v Speaker 3>So what do they mean as far as Jesus Christ

1639
01:24:23.840 --> 01:24:26.039
<v Speaker 3>representing Dagon. I this is my first time seeing it.

1640
01:24:26.079 --> 01:24:27.399
<v Speaker 3>I didn't read this entire article.

1641
01:24:27.760 --> 01:24:31.119
<v Speaker 1>But I feel like they're about to make the connection, like, oh,

1642
01:24:31.159 --> 01:24:33.239
<v Speaker 1>you mean the guy who died and rose again three

1643
01:24:33.319 --> 01:24:35.000
<v Speaker 1>days and then we have this guy who did it

1644
01:24:35.000 --> 01:24:36.600
<v Speaker 1>in this culture and this guy that did it in

1645
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:38.720
<v Speaker 1>this culture, and I have a feeling they're about to

1646
01:24:38.720 --> 01:24:41.560
<v Speaker 1>try to draw some string there. But even the name

1647
01:24:41.680 --> 01:24:44.720
<v Speaker 1>Jesus Christ wasn't his actual real name. Now we can

1648
01:24:44.760 --> 01:24:48.159
<v Speaker 1>get into the debate of how and why Yeshua became

1649
01:24:48.600 --> 01:24:52.079
<v Speaker 1>Jesus in a language with no jays. Now that like

1650
01:24:52.159 --> 01:24:55.000
<v Speaker 1>this can be that could be a number of reasons,

1651
01:24:55.039 --> 01:24:56.560
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, they're not.

1652
01:24:56.920 --> 01:24:57.680
<v Speaker 2>You know, we're good.

1653
01:24:58.239 --> 01:25:00.760
<v Speaker 3>Well, it says the true name of the the Messiah

1654
01:25:00.920 --> 01:25:03.000
<v Speaker 3>is Yehoshua, so you.

1655
01:25:02.960 --> 01:25:04.840
<v Speaker 2>Say that, yeah, Yashua.

1656
01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:08.439
<v Speaker 3>Well it's spelled really weird right here. But it says

1657
01:25:08.600 --> 01:25:11.399
<v Speaker 3>he was the name or he was the Messiah, not

1658
01:25:11.560 --> 01:25:15.079
<v Speaker 3>the Christ. And then it says for more information on this,

1659
01:25:15.199 --> 01:25:20.560
<v Speaker 3>read how Yehoah and Yehoshua the true Bible names in Hebrew.

1660
01:25:21.560 --> 01:25:25.279
<v Speaker 1>Well, that's because Christ didn't come around until it was

1661
01:25:25.399 --> 01:25:29.720
<v Speaker 1>put into Greek, because that's from the Greek word cristos.

1662
01:25:29.760 --> 01:25:32.079
<v Speaker 2>That's not a Hebrew word anyway.

1663
01:25:32.680 --> 01:25:35.560
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, Anyway, it's pretty weird. I'm not even trying to

1664
01:25:35.600 --> 01:25:36.920
<v Speaker 3>run on that. That's not the point that I was

1665
01:25:36.920 --> 01:25:39.760
<v Speaker 3>trying to make. But so then it gets into the

1666
01:25:40.560 --> 01:25:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Mother Mary, the Mary goddess worship. So Pope Francis and Mary,

1667
01:25:47.760 --> 01:25:51.800
<v Speaker 3>this seems interesting. It says Pope Francis, who is at Jesuit,

1668
01:25:51.880 --> 01:25:56.199
<v Speaker 3>clearly worships Mary. On October thirteenth, twenty thirteen, he consecrated

1669
01:25:56.239 --> 01:25:59.560
<v Speaker 3>the world to the Immaculate Heart of Mary. Pope Francis

1670
01:25:59.560 --> 01:26:02.439
<v Speaker 3>claims in quotes that she gave birth to the church,

1671
01:26:02.560 --> 01:26:05.319
<v Speaker 3>and she is our holy Mother. The fish symbol of

1672
01:26:05.359 --> 01:26:08.479
<v Speaker 3>pagan times represented the womb and the Great Mother. Let

1673
01:26:08.560 --> 01:26:12.640
<v Speaker 3>us invoke Mary's intercession, he said, May she help us

1674
01:26:12.680 --> 01:26:17.359
<v Speaker 3>to may wait. May she help us to be open

1675
01:26:17.439 --> 01:26:20.399
<v Speaker 3>to God's surprises, to be faithful to Him each and

1676
01:26:20.439 --> 01:26:22.600
<v Speaker 3>every day, and to praise and thank Him for he

1677
01:26:22.720 --> 01:26:26.199
<v Speaker 3>is our strength. He is invoking the Great Mother Goddess

1678
01:26:26.279 --> 01:26:28.479
<v Speaker 3>to the whole world. The worshiping of false gods and

1679
01:26:28.680 --> 01:26:32.560
<v Speaker 3>icons and idols. Anyway, it says in his recent prayer

1680
01:26:32.560 --> 01:26:39.119
<v Speaker 3>made by Pope Francis at Limpedusa last year, he called

1681
01:26:39.239 --> 01:26:43.319
<v Speaker 3>Mary the star of the Sea. So it's just a

1682
01:26:43.319 --> 01:26:45.520
<v Speaker 3>lot of symbolism here. I don't think that anybody's going

1683
01:26:45.560 --> 01:26:47.920
<v Speaker 3>back and saying that Jesus was actually dagon. It's just

1684
01:26:48.000 --> 01:26:50.560
<v Speaker 3>the symbolism that they may be picking up on.

1685
01:26:51.439 --> 01:26:54.760
<v Speaker 1>No, but I mean it isn't. He has said these things,

1686
01:26:54.800 --> 01:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>he has done these things. He is fully speaking about

1687
01:26:59.000 --> 01:27:04.520
<v Speaker 1>Mary as if she is a mother deity. It's and

1688
01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:06.840
<v Speaker 1>I hate to be the one to burst the bubble here,

1689
01:27:07.600 --> 01:27:10.600
<v Speaker 1>but the whole point of the book isn't to worship Mary.

1690
01:27:11.000 --> 01:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>It is to worship Yahweh through the sacrifice of his

1691
01:27:14.279 --> 01:27:15.359
<v Speaker 1>son Yeshiah.

1692
01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.000
<v Speaker 2>That is the entire point and scope of it.

1693
01:27:18.039 --> 01:27:20.800
<v Speaker 1>The number one rule that Jesus told us to do

1694
01:27:20.880 --> 01:27:23.960
<v Speaker 1>is love thy neighbor right, honor God above anything else,

1695
01:27:24.159 --> 01:27:26.640
<v Speaker 1>and love your neighbor as yourself. That that's the number

1696
01:27:26.640 --> 01:27:28.399
<v Speaker 1>one and number two of how to live the best

1697
01:27:28.439 --> 01:27:31.920
<v Speaker 1>life possible. He didn't say shit about his mom.

1698
01:27:32.199 --> 01:27:33.520
<v Speaker 2>That's just me. I don't know.

1699
01:27:34.279 --> 01:27:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the it's it's questionable because when you look at

1700
01:27:38.760 --> 01:27:41.000
<v Speaker 3>the Bible, it's well, at least the New Testament, well,

1701
01:27:41.039 --> 01:27:43.560
<v Speaker 3>the Old Testament talked about the times of him actually coming.

1702
01:27:43.880 --> 01:27:46.520
<v Speaker 3>But like if you look at the Bible, it's it's

1703
01:27:46.560 --> 01:27:50.039
<v Speaker 3>not saying to worship any kind of mother goddess. It's

1704
01:27:50.079 --> 01:27:52.560
<v Speaker 3>not saying to worship Mary. None of it says any

1705
01:27:52.600 --> 01:27:56.439
<v Speaker 3>of that. It's them making symbols out of Mary. And

1706
01:27:56.520 --> 01:27:59.439
<v Speaker 3>so even like you said, Jesus never never said that

1707
01:27:59.439 --> 01:28:01.199
<v Speaker 3>you need to worry as mother or any of that

1708
01:28:01.239 --> 01:28:03.720
<v Speaker 3>other kind of shit. So you're starting to really see

1709
01:28:03.760 --> 01:28:09.039
<v Speaker 3>the uh, like the the melding of the pagan under

1710
01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:14.000
<v Speaker 3>understanding of of worship, which you know they're they're basically

1711
01:28:14.079 --> 01:28:16.960
<v Speaker 3>taking the the blueprint or the outline of pagan worship

1712
01:28:17.039 --> 01:28:20.840
<v Speaker 3>and applying it to Christianity and saying, look, we're Catholics.

1713
01:28:21.279 --> 01:28:23.800
<v Speaker 3>And so that's not necessarily the way to go because

1714
01:28:23.800 --> 01:28:26.920
<v Speaker 3>if Jesus is the savior, now that's open to interpretation,

1715
01:28:27.000 --> 01:28:29.880
<v Speaker 3>that's whatever you believe. But if Jesus is the savior

1716
01:28:29.920 --> 01:28:32.800
<v Speaker 3>and you're running your entire not only your church but

1717
01:28:33.199 --> 01:28:36.680
<v Speaker 3>not even your just your city, but your entire religion

1718
01:28:36.800 --> 01:28:42.840
<v Speaker 3>and and your understanding of spirituality as a symbol, why

1719
01:28:42.880 --> 01:28:47.399
<v Speaker 3>then would you need to worship a mother, Mary, a saint,

1720
01:28:48.039 --> 01:28:51.600
<v Speaker 3>a pope, uh, any of these kind of people like, no,

1721
01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:54.199
<v Speaker 3>cut the fat and get straight to the source. It

1722
01:28:54.239 --> 01:28:55.720
<v Speaker 3>should be just Jesus, right.

1723
01:28:56.760 --> 01:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>I fully agree I fully agree. And again this does

1724
01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:04.199
<v Speaker 1>and detract from Mary's importance and like why she was

1725
01:29:04.279 --> 01:29:07.399
<v Speaker 1>chosen to be the vessel for the Savior. There's reasons,

1726
01:29:07.439 --> 01:29:10.560
<v Speaker 1>and like mad respect and reverend should be put on her, yes,

1727
01:29:10.640 --> 01:29:14.119
<v Speaker 1>but praying to her as a deity, that's that's a

1728
01:29:14.119 --> 01:29:17.119
<v Speaker 1>little wild. And then oh man, this one, this one

1729
01:29:17.199 --> 01:29:21.359
<v Speaker 1>chaps the chonies of of all Catholics. Whenever you mentioned

1730
01:29:21.359 --> 01:29:24.720
<v Speaker 1>that Mary didn't die of virgin and twice it's mentioned

1731
01:29:24.760 --> 01:29:29.640
<v Speaker 1>that Jesus had brothers, like brothers, Joseph and Mary had

1732
01:29:29.760 --> 01:29:33.520
<v Speaker 1>children of their own after Jesus, and it's like, no,

1733
01:29:33.960 --> 01:29:37.119
<v Speaker 1>that's not true. Uh yeah, look at the translation. It's like, yeah, no,

1734
01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:40.319
<v Speaker 1>look at the translation. When he referred to when Jesus

1735
01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:43.159
<v Speaker 1>was healing people and his homeboy came up, he was like, hey, Jesus,

1736
01:29:43.279 --> 01:29:45.199
<v Speaker 1>your mom and your brothers are here to see you.

1737
01:29:45.960 --> 01:29:48.760
<v Speaker 1>He wasn't referring to your very tight knit friends that

1738
01:29:48.800 --> 01:29:51.159
<v Speaker 1>you consider brothers. It was one of his disciples that

1739
01:29:51.239 --> 01:29:53.199
<v Speaker 1>was speaking to him, one of those that would have

1740
01:29:53.239 --> 01:29:54.680
<v Speaker 1>been considered that type of brother.

1741
01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:58.119
<v Speaker 2>So like, it's wild. And then when you look at it, Joseph.

1742
01:29:57.960 --> 01:30:01.479
<v Speaker 1>Was like forty and Mary was like fourteen when Jesus

1743
01:30:01.560 --> 01:30:03.920
<v Speaker 1>was conceived, and that's what another portion of the whole

1744
01:30:03.920 --> 01:30:07.560
<v Speaker 1>Immaculate Conception thing. So like you're telling me they didn't

1745
01:30:07.560 --> 01:30:10.800
<v Speaker 1>have any more any children her whole life, she didn't.

1746
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Know, dog, That's not how that played out at all.

1747
01:30:12.600 --> 01:30:16.680
<v Speaker 3>Mary was only fourteen married. Huh, Mary was only fourteen.

1748
01:30:17.640 --> 01:30:19.720
<v Speaker 2>It was customary in that time, dude.

1749
01:30:19.720 --> 01:30:22.560
<v Speaker 1>Marriage being a thing until you're like late teens and

1750
01:30:22.640 --> 01:30:25.319
<v Speaker 1>early twenties only started becoming in vogue.

1751
01:30:25.039 --> 01:30:26.159
<v Speaker 2>In the last few centuries.

1752
01:30:27.479 --> 01:30:30.920
<v Speaker 3>Oh man, I have that's the truth of it.

1753
01:30:30.960 --> 01:30:33.880
<v Speaker 2>That's horrible. I fully disagree with that.

1754
01:30:34.000 --> 01:30:36.800
<v Speaker 1>But you could be a fourteen year old boy and

1755
01:30:36.840 --> 01:30:39.199
<v Speaker 1>get married to a fourteen year old girl three hundred

1756
01:30:39.279 --> 01:30:41.359
<v Speaker 1>years ago and like that was boom. That was solid.

1757
01:30:41.359 --> 01:30:45.239
<v Speaker 1>But like divorce was never an option. You gotta understand

1758
01:30:45.239 --> 01:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>that too. It was it was locked in.

1759
01:30:47.479 --> 01:30:51.800
<v Speaker 3>What I'm about to say will probably be blasphemous, and

1760
01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:53.039
<v Speaker 3>I'm sorry, but.

1761
01:30:54.760 --> 01:30:55.079
<v Speaker 2>All right.

1762
01:30:55.359 --> 01:30:57.199
<v Speaker 3>I like to put things in the scope of today,

1763
01:30:57.640 --> 01:30:59.880
<v Speaker 3>and I know that times are different. I get it.

1764
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:02.079
<v Speaker 1>On Hold on, hold on, before you said what's about

1765
01:31:02.079 --> 01:31:03.359
<v Speaker 1>to say, let me make sure this is clear. As

1766
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:06.439
<v Speaker 1>far as Joseph and Marry goes they were engaged to

1767
01:31:06.560 --> 01:31:09.840
<v Speaker 1>be married before the angel ever came and spoke to her.

1768
01:31:10.119 --> 01:31:12.399
<v Speaker 1>He had paid a certain portion of a dowry and

1769
01:31:12.439 --> 01:31:15.279
<v Speaker 1>they were waiting until she had gotten to an appropriate age.

1770
01:31:15.560 --> 01:31:18.840
<v Speaker 1>I'm saying that too, just so we're clear. The pregnancy

1771
01:31:18.920 --> 01:31:22.279
<v Speaker 1>kind of forced their hand into making things happen more speedily,

1772
01:31:22.720 --> 01:31:25.479
<v Speaker 1>but like the deal had already been struck.

1773
01:31:26.159 --> 01:31:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Now continue, So the age at which she was impregnated

1774
01:31:30.760 --> 01:31:33.600
<v Speaker 3>from the seed of God, if you will, Yeah, it

1775
01:31:33.640 --> 01:31:34.159
<v Speaker 3>was fourteen.

1776
01:31:34.199 --> 01:31:37.399
<v Speaker 2>It was like fourteen to sixteen. It was somewhere in there.

1777
01:31:37.640 --> 01:31:40.960
<v Speaker 1>I can't speak for full authority on where, but somewhere

1778
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:41.279
<v Speaker 1>in there.

1779
01:31:41.359 --> 01:31:45.600
<v Speaker 3>Yes, you know what. I feel bad even mentioning it.

1780
01:31:45.640 --> 01:31:50.319
<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna move on past that. It's a little pedophilic.

1781
01:31:50.359 --> 01:31:54.079
<v Speaker 1>But anyway, I mean, I understand, I fully understand what

1782
01:31:54.079 --> 01:31:57.560
<v Speaker 1>you're saying. But again, dude, that wasn't the way, like

1783
01:31:57.720 --> 01:32:00.600
<v Speaker 1>culturally speaking back then, if you had a who was

1784
01:32:00.680 --> 01:32:05.239
<v Speaker 1>twenty and unmarried, like something was wrong with her or

1785
01:32:05.279 --> 01:32:06.840
<v Speaker 1>like you were gonna have to figure something out.

1786
01:32:06.920 --> 01:32:08.239
<v Speaker 4>Dude.

1787
01:32:09.000 --> 01:32:11.239
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I mean, like I said, like, times were very

1788
01:32:11.239 --> 01:32:14.159
<v Speaker 3>different back then. As soon as a little girl would bleed,

1789
01:32:14.199 --> 01:32:17.920
<v Speaker 3>she was now a woman. So, yep, there wasn't necessarily

1790
01:32:18.000 --> 01:32:19.560
<v Speaker 3>laws saying that you had to be eighteen.

1791
01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:23.079
<v Speaker 1>I'm very happy that we live in a civilized society

1792
01:32:23.319 --> 01:32:25.239
<v Speaker 1>where that's deemed fucking wrong.

1793
01:32:25.520 --> 01:32:29.239
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna say that, but you know I'm in place.

1794
01:32:30.479 --> 01:32:33.199
<v Speaker 3>But in the eyes of God, fourteen was okay. That

1795
01:32:33.279 --> 01:32:34.439
<v Speaker 3>was the point that I was trying to.

1796
01:32:34.359 --> 01:32:38.800
<v Speaker 1>Make under the pretenses of marriage. And also keep in

1797
01:32:38.840 --> 01:32:41.439
<v Speaker 1>mind they were waiting she was a virgin when she

1798
01:32:41.640 --> 01:32:43.159
<v Speaker 1>had conceived the whole thing.

1799
01:32:44.760 --> 01:32:49.399
<v Speaker 3>Sure, anyhow, we'll move on over to Ball, which is

1800
01:32:50.159 --> 01:32:55.840
<v Speaker 3>Dagon's son. Yep, okay. As we mentioned before, so most

1801
01:32:55.880 --> 01:32:59.319
<v Speaker 3>people you might not know who Dagon is, but most

1802
01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:02.439
<v Speaker 3>of us have heard of Ball and Baphomet and Satan

1803
01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:05.920
<v Speaker 3>and Lucifern. These kind of names are usually grouped together.

1804
01:33:06.039 --> 01:33:07.880
<v Speaker 3>Some people say that they're all one beings. Some people

1805
01:33:07.880 --> 01:33:10.680
<v Speaker 3>say they're all separate beings. That's up to you. But

1806
01:33:11.079 --> 01:33:14.079
<v Speaker 3>Ball here, it says I really wanted to get to

1807
01:33:14.279 --> 01:33:18.159
<v Speaker 3>the idea of who Ball was, because, as they say,

1808
01:33:18.439 --> 01:33:21.760
<v Speaker 3>you get to know the man by his fruits if

1809
01:33:21.760 --> 01:33:25.479
<v Speaker 3>you will, and I feel like, what better way to

1810
01:33:25.520 --> 01:33:28.399
<v Speaker 3>get to know who Dagon is than by the fruits

1811
01:33:28.439 --> 01:33:32.399
<v Speaker 3>of his labor? Which would be ball or bail, absolutely

1812
01:33:32.520 --> 01:33:37.000
<v Speaker 3>bail god god worshiped. He was a god worshiped in

1813
01:33:37.079 --> 01:33:41.000
<v Speaker 3>many ancient Middle Eastern communities, especially among the Canaanites, who

1814
01:33:41.000 --> 01:33:44.279
<v Speaker 3>apparently considered him a fertility deity, and is one of

1815
01:33:44.279 --> 01:33:47.439
<v Speaker 3>the most important gods in the pantheon. As a Semitic

1816
01:33:47.520 --> 01:33:51.279
<v Speaker 3>common noun, bail or ball or all, however, you would

1817
01:33:51.319 --> 01:33:55.159
<v Speaker 3>say it meant owner or lord, although it could be

1818
01:33:55.279 --> 01:33:59.119
<v Speaker 3>used more generally. For example, a ball of wings was

1819
01:33:59.239 --> 01:34:04.319
<v Speaker 3>a winged creature, and in the plural bleam of a

1820
01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:08.560
<v Speaker 3>ballam of arrows indicated archers. Yet such fluidity and the

1821
01:34:08.640 --> 01:34:10.800
<v Speaker 3>use of the term ball did not prevent it from

1822
01:34:10.880 --> 01:34:14.199
<v Speaker 3>being attached to a god of distinct character. As such,

1823
01:34:14.399 --> 01:34:18.199
<v Speaker 3>Ball designated the universal god of fertility, and in that

1824
01:34:18.279 --> 01:34:22.880
<v Speaker 3>capacity his title was prince Lord of the Earth. All right,

1825
01:34:23.159 --> 01:34:25.840
<v Speaker 3>all right, So now we might be building on something here,

1826
01:34:26.159 --> 01:34:32.039
<v Speaker 3>because it talked about how he was a possible you

1827
01:34:32.039 --> 01:34:35.319
<v Speaker 3>would you would take a ball of wings or was

1828
01:34:35.319 --> 01:34:38.399
<v Speaker 3>was considered a wing creature in the in the plural

1829
01:34:38.560 --> 01:34:43.840
<v Speaker 3>a baleam of arrows. So interesting here, let's just try

1830
01:34:43.840 --> 01:34:46.800
<v Speaker 3>and draw something here. So if he possibly a ball

1831
01:34:46.840 --> 01:34:48.520
<v Speaker 3>of wings would be a wing creature maybe like a

1832
01:34:48.600 --> 01:34:53.439
<v Speaker 3>dragon or a baleam of arrows indicated archers. Well, that's

1833
01:34:53.439 --> 01:35:00.800
<v Speaker 3>interesting because angels usually are looking like archers.

1834
01:34:58.880 --> 01:35:03.359
<v Speaker 1>And indeed, and also feathers would be the feathers that

1835
01:35:03.399 --> 01:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>would be used on arrows as well, so like I

1836
01:35:05.239 --> 01:35:05.960
<v Speaker 1>could see that.

1837
01:35:06.359 --> 01:35:09.760
<v Speaker 3>And also check this out. He was designated the universal

1838
01:35:09.800 --> 01:35:14.359
<v Speaker 3>God of fertility, which is interesting because that dates back

1839
01:35:14.439 --> 01:35:17.960
<v Speaker 3>to his daddy, you know, talking about Dagon, but it

1840
01:35:18.159 --> 01:35:25.520
<v Speaker 3>also may convert into Mary because she was the womb

1841
01:35:25.600 --> 01:35:28.840
<v Speaker 3>of the Savior, so that I don't know, I'm just

1842
01:35:28.840 --> 01:35:32.319
<v Speaker 3>starting out thing to Lucifer anyway, because if you were

1843
01:35:32.479 --> 01:35:35.159
<v Speaker 3>to go according to the story, when they were kicked

1844
01:35:35.159 --> 01:35:36.880
<v Speaker 3>out of heaven, the first thing they did was come

1845
01:35:36.880 --> 01:35:39.359
<v Speaker 3>and inner breed with the creation of God.

1846
01:35:39.840 --> 01:35:42.800
<v Speaker 1>So it would be right in line to say that

1847
01:35:42.800 --> 01:35:46.159
<v Speaker 1>that dude would be a quote unquote fertility god when

1848
01:35:46.199 --> 01:35:49.439
<v Speaker 1>he and his whole retinue were just fucking everything that moves.

1849
01:35:49.960 --> 01:35:54.800
<v Speaker 3>So whenever you see bail hold the title such as

1850
01:35:54.920 --> 01:35:57.920
<v Speaker 3>prince or Lord of the Earth, and then you see

1851
01:35:57.960 --> 01:36:02.520
<v Speaker 3>the pope rocking his daddy's hat, I'm just saying here.

1852
01:36:03.119 --> 01:36:05.680
<v Speaker 2>Not to mention the ring that the pope wears do

1853
01:36:05.720 --> 01:36:07.640
<v Speaker 2>you have something on that? On this? Uh? I do

1854
01:36:07.800 --> 01:36:08.079
<v Speaker 2>on this?

1855
01:36:08.520 --> 01:36:10.600
<v Speaker 1>Okay, there we got to people little pin in that one,

1856
01:36:10.640 --> 01:36:12.560
<v Speaker 1>and he's talking about Lord of the Earth.

1857
01:36:12.880 --> 01:36:15.439
<v Speaker 2>Let's go ahead and keep a pin in the ring. Anyway.

1858
01:36:15.760 --> 01:36:17.960
<v Speaker 3>He was also, oh, check this out. You want to

1859
01:36:17.960 --> 01:36:22.920
<v Speaker 3>talk about how uh Dagon was basically uh the ruler

1860
01:36:23.000 --> 01:36:25.680
<v Speaker 3>of the clouds and of fertility and water and stuff

1861
01:36:25.720 --> 01:36:27.760
<v Speaker 3>like that. Check this out whenever it comes to Bail.

1862
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<v Speaker 3>Bail was also called the lord of rain and dew,

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01:36:32.279 --> 01:36:35.800
<v Speaker 3>the two forms of moisture that were indispensable for fertile

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01:36:35.880 --> 01:36:40.720
<v Speaker 3>soil and Canaan So that's pretty interesting, right, how they're

1865
01:36:40.760 --> 01:36:44.000
<v Speaker 3>really all connecting here. This is why you may say

1866
01:36:44.039 --> 01:36:47.880
<v Speaker 3>that that was his son, because the stories translated into

1867
01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:52.039
<v Speaker 3>the next, you know, version of this deity, and then

1868
01:36:52.079 --> 01:36:55.800
<v Speaker 3>it gets into knowledge of Bail's personality and functions derives

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01:36:55.880 --> 01:36:58.640
<v Speaker 3>chiefly from a number of tablets uncovered from nineteen twenty

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01:36:58.720 --> 01:37:02.479
<v Speaker 3>nine onward at Yugrio in northern Syria and dating into

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01:37:02.560 --> 01:37:05.720
<v Speaker 3>the middle of the second millennium BC. The tablets, although

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01:37:05.720 --> 01:37:09.119
<v Speaker 3>closely attached to the worship of Bail at his local temple,

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01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:16.000
<v Speaker 3>probably represent Canaanite belief. Generally fertility was envisaged in terms

1874
01:37:16.039 --> 01:37:19.560
<v Speaker 3>of seven year cycles. In the mythology of Canaan, Bail,

1875
01:37:19.840 --> 01:37:23.279
<v Speaker 3>the god of life and fertility, locked in mortal combat

1876
01:37:23.359 --> 01:37:29.319
<v Speaker 3>with mont, the god of death and sterility. If Bail triumphed,

1877
01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:32.439
<v Speaker 3>a seven year cycle of fertility would ensue, but if

1878
01:37:32.479 --> 01:37:36.000
<v Speaker 3>he were vanquished by Mott, seven years of drought and

1879
01:37:36.039 --> 01:37:40.119
<v Speaker 3>famine would ensue. Eugaritic texts tell of other fertility aspects

1880
01:37:40.119 --> 01:37:44.079
<v Speaker 3>of Bail, such as his relations with Anath, his consort

1881
01:37:44.159 --> 01:37:48.760
<v Speaker 3>and sister, and also his searing a divine bull calf

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01:37:48.920 --> 01:37:53.039
<v Speaker 3>from a heifer. But Bail was not exclusively a fertility god.

1883
01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:55.039
<v Speaker 3>He was also the king of the gods, and to

1884
01:37:55.119 --> 01:37:58.600
<v Speaker 3>achieve that position, he was portrayed as seizing the divine

1885
01:37:58.760 --> 01:38:01.119
<v Speaker 3>kingship from Yam, the sea god.

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01:38:02.359 --> 01:38:07.439
<v Speaker 1>So the divine kingship from Yam a man was about them, Yam's.

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01:38:07.039 --> 01:38:09.880
<v Speaker 3>Son, dude, yams them.

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01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:13.000
<v Speaker 2>Cakes, yamming them cakes. You know about it, what's up?

1889
01:38:13.239 --> 01:38:16.199
<v Speaker 3>But anyway, it's just why I wanted to bring that up,

1890
01:38:16.199 --> 01:38:18.760
<v Speaker 3>because it's all about the sea god and the fishes

1891
01:38:18.880 --> 01:38:21.479
<v Speaker 3>and everything. So he had to get the divine kinship

1892
01:38:22.119 --> 01:38:24.960
<v Speaker 3>from the sea god. And then it says the myths

1893
01:38:25.000 --> 01:38:29.159
<v Speaker 3>also tell us of Bail's struggle to obtain a palace

1894
01:38:29.239 --> 01:38:33.159
<v Speaker 3>comparable and grandeur to those of other gods. Bail persuaded

1895
01:38:33.319 --> 01:38:37.359
<v Speaker 3>Asherah to intercede with her husband l the head of

1896
01:38:37.399 --> 01:38:40.680
<v Speaker 3>the pantheon, to authorize the construction of a palace. The

1897
01:38:40.760 --> 01:38:44.399
<v Speaker 3>god of arts and crafts, Cothar, then proceeded to build

1898
01:38:44.600 --> 01:38:48.279
<v Speaker 3>for Bail the most beautiful of palaces, which spread over

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01:38:48.399 --> 01:38:52.079
<v Speaker 3>ten thousand acres. The myth may refer in part to

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01:38:52.119 --> 01:38:55.239
<v Speaker 3>the construction of Bale's own temple in the city of Yugart.

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01:38:56.239 --> 01:38:59.640
<v Speaker 3>Near Bale's temple was that of Dagon, given in the

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01:38:59.680 --> 01:39:03.119
<v Speaker 3>tab Blitz as Baal's father. The worship of Bail was

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01:39:03.199 --> 01:39:06.680
<v Speaker 3>popular in Egypt from the later New Kingdom in about

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01:39:06.680 --> 01:39:11.600
<v Speaker 3>fourteen hundred BC, though the influence of the Aramians, who

1905
01:39:11.640 --> 01:39:16.920
<v Speaker 3>borrowed the Babylonian pronunciation Bell, the god ultimately became as

1906
01:39:17.439 --> 01:39:22.319
<v Speaker 3>known as the Greek Belos identified with Zeus. So I

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01:39:22.399 --> 01:39:24.800
<v Speaker 3>think that that's really where he was getting to, as

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01:39:24.920 --> 01:39:28.960
<v Speaker 3>as far as Dagon being also Jesus or whatever, probably

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01:39:29.000 --> 01:39:35.359
<v Speaker 3>just drawing from these ends, because basically Bail turned into Bell,

1910
01:39:35.720 --> 01:39:40.520
<v Speaker 3>which became Belos, which was Zeus, and people have drawn

1911
01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:45.880
<v Speaker 3>the comparisons between Jesus and Zeus caught Jesus. What some

1912
01:39:45.920 --> 01:39:50.800
<v Speaker 3>people say is basically it means hail Zeus, which up

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01:39:50.800 --> 01:39:52.279
<v Speaker 3>to interpretation.

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01:39:51.840 --> 01:39:53.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh got you, got you okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So Bail was also worshiped for various by various various

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01:39:58.079 --> 01:40:02.279
<v Speaker 3>communities as a local god. The Hebrews scriptures speak frequently

1917
01:40:02.359 --> 01:40:06.119
<v Speaker 3>of the of the bail of a given place, or

1918
01:40:06.159 --> 01:40:09.479
<v Speaker 3>refers to Beleem in the plural, suggesting the evidence of

1919
01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:12.760
<v Speaker 3>local deities or lords of various locales. It is not

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01:40:12.920 --> 01:40:16.319
<v Speaker 3>known to the extent the Canaanites. It is not known

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01:40:16.359 --> 01:40:20.079
<v Speaker 3>to what extent that the Canaanites considered those various balem identical.

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01:40:20.479 --> 01:40:22.960
<v Speaker 3>But the Bale of Yugarrit does not seem to have

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01:40:23.000 --> 01:40:26.239
<v Speaker 3>confined its activities to one city, and doubtless other communities

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01:40:26.319 --> 01:40:29.560
<v Speaker 3>agreed in giving him cosmic scope. So anyway, kind of

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01:40:29.600 --> 01:40:31.800
<v Speaker 3>just wanted to throw that in there. This is from Britannica,

1926
01:40:31.800 --> 01:40:35.039
<v Speaker 3>so this is kind of just like the documented literature part.

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01:40:35.399 --> 01:40:40.119
<v Speaker 3>It's an encyclopedia, but absolutely just want to throw that

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01:40:40.199 --> 01:40:42.800
<v Speaker 3>out there. So then I come over to this website

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01:40:42.840 --> 01:40:45.840
<v Speaker 3>which is a pretty interesting one. It's called rav Shaoul

1930
01:40:46.279 --> 01:40:52.680
<v Speaker 3>dot com. But the Sabbath Covenant a Nazarene's guide, So

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01:40:52.880 --> 01:40:54.560
<v Speaker 3>I believe this is Jewish, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's something I'm not sure or what it's

1933
01:41:00.439 --> 01:41:02.640
<v Speaker 1>supposed to mean, but all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, so I guess this are this website wrote a

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<v Speaker 3>book called The Anti Christ Revealed, which okay, everybody's always

1936
01:41:14.119 --> 01:41:17.279
<v Speaker 3>trying to figure this out and so but chapter four

1937
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<v Speaker 3>in the book it says, from Dagon to the dragon,

1938
01:41:20.560 --> 01:41:23.520
<v Speaker 3>the spirit behind the beast. So I thought this was

1939
01:41:23.720 --> 01:41:25.439
<v Speaker 3>this would be interesting to bring up. It says the

1940
01:41:25.479 --> 01:41:29.000
<v Speaker 3>word dragon comes from the word Dagon, one of, if

1941
01:41:29.039 --> 01:41:32.760
<v Speaker 3>not the oldest pagan gods, dating back to Nimrod. Dagon

1942
01:41:33.000 --> 01:41:37.079
<v Speaker 3>or Dagon evolved over time and cultures into the dragon.

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01:41:38.199 --> 01:41:39.319
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is pretty.

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<v Speaker 3>Interesting whenever you're talking about the etymology. Where does it

1945
01:41:41.239 --> 01:41:43.039
<v Speaker 3>all come from. I know that we all want to

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01:41:43.039 --> 01:41:45.119
<v Speaker 3>believe the dragons were a real thing. I hope that

1947
01:41:45.159 --> 01:41:49.279
<v Speaker 3>they are. But according to this understanding rate here, dragon

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01:41:49.359 --> 01:41:52.119
<v Speaker 3>gets its name from Dagon, which was a fish god,

1949
01:41:52.159 --> 01:41:55.159
<v Speaker 3>which is interesting because whenever you're looking at dragons, they're

1950
01:41:55.239 --> 01:41:59.319
<v Speaker 3>usually scaly like that, you know. So, uh so you

1951
01:41:59.319 --> 01:42:01.960
<v Speaker 3>see raid here where basically it has a pretty cool

1952
01:42:02.000 --> 01:42:07.600
<v Speaker 3>picture of the Dagon fish god basically controlling the pope.

1953
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<v Speaker 3>Yeah you see that. Yeah, so you got Dagon over here.

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<v Speaker 3>Dagon the fish god equals Neptune equals Poseidon, who carries

1955
01:42:15.800 --> 01:42:20.640
<v Speaker 3>the trident equals Satan equals Leviathan equals tennine equals Dragon

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01:42:20.720 --> 01:42:27.119
<v Speaker 3>equals Cephareth or Sarah Sarah rather. So these are the

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<v Speaker 3>different interpretations how they've grown to evolve as far as

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01:42:30.159 --> 01:42:33.560
<v Speaker 3>symbolism goes, according to their understanding. So you would have

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<v Speaker 3>the Dagon fish god evolving into Neptune, evolving into Uh

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01:42:39.319 --> 01:42:43.159
<v Speaker 3>Satan or Leviathan, and then evolving into the Dragon, which

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01:42:43.359 --> 01:42:48.399
<v Speaker 3>would be Satan and the goat head and shit like that,

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<v Speaker 3>the upside down pentagram.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's kind of crazy to hear the names

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01:42:53.840 --> 01:42:55.680
<v Speaker 1>out loud. But again, if you're not, if you're just

1965
01:42:55.760 --> 01:42:57.760
<v Speaker 1>listening to this and you would like to see what

1966
01:42:57.800 --> 01:43:00.199
<v Speaker 1>we're talking about, come check his own Patreon. When you

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01:43:00.279 --> 01:43:02.800
<v Speaker 1>see their images lined up next to each other, I

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<v Speaker 1>see where they're coming from.

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<v Speaker 3>Gonna be honest, right right, And this is kind of

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01:43:07.279 --> 01:43:10.279
<v Speaker 3>just getting into the whole pretty much everything that we

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01:43:10.319 --> 01:43:12.359
<v Speaker 3>got into. So it's not just I just wanted to

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01:43:12.359 --> 01:43:14.720
<v Speaker 3>show that it's not just one person or one group

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01:43:14.760 --> 01:43:16.760
<v Speaker 3>of people that are saying this, that there's actually a

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01:43:16.800 --> 01:43:20.680
<v Speaker 3>bunch of beliefs that are stemmed from this. So then

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01:43:20.720 --> 01:43:23.800
<v Speaker 3>it gets into the Ikethys symbol of the fish. It

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01:43:23.880 --> 01:43:26.880
<v Speaker 3>says Dagon or fish worship is the source of the

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01:43:27.000 --> 01:43:30.079
<v Speaker 3>Christian symbol of the fish. Actually it can be traced

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01:43:30.119 --> 01:43:33.279
<v Speaker 3>to the fish worship of Dagon and the zodiac sign

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01:43:33.359 --> 01:43:36.319
<v Speaker 3>of Pisces. We are told it is because some of

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01:43:36.359 --> 01:43:40.840
<v Speaker 3>the disciples were fishermen, or that Yeshua would make us

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01:43:41.000 --> 01:43:45.119
<v Speaker 3>fisher of men, among other excuses. The truth is is

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01:43:45.159 --> 01:43:48.039
<v Speaker 3>that it is nowhere defined in scripture. But yet the

1983
01:43:48.079 --> 01:43:51.159
<v Speaker 3>real source of the Christian fish symbol is that of

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01:43:51.279 --> 01:43:55.319
<v Speaker 3>Dagon worship, just like the meter had it says. According

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01:43:55.319 --> 01:43:58.479
<v Speaker 3>to Egyptian mythology, when the judge, when the judges found

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01:43:58.479 --> 01:44:02.479
<v Speaker 3>Osiris or Nimrod guilty of corrupting the religion of Adam

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01:44:02.680 --> 01:44:05.960
<v Speaker 3>and cut up his body, they threw the parts into

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01:44:06.000 --> 01:44:08.600
<v Speaker 3>the nile. It was said that a fish ate one

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01:44:08.600 --> 01:44:14.119
<v Speaker 3>of these chunks and transformed. And then later Isis was

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01:44:14.199 --> 01:44:17.359
<v Speaker 3>fishing along the river bank when she fished up a

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01:44:17.479 --> 01:44:21.479
<v Speaker 3>half man, half fish. This sea creature was known as Dagon,

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01:44:21.800 --> 01:44:26.359
<v Speaker 3>the reincarnated Nimrod. A Dagon is the representation of Nimrod

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01:44:26.399 --> 01:44:30.000
<v Speaker 3>of ancient Babylon resurrecting out of the ocean depths as

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01:44:30.039 --> 01:44:33.000
<v Speaker 3>a half man, half fish. So this is really where

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<v Speaker 3>they're trying to bring in the whole baptism kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, so Nimrod had to make an appearance the

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01:44:39.520 --> 01:44:44.439
<v Speaker 1>reincarnation of Nimrod the Babylonian king aka Saddam Hussein possibly

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<v Speaker 1>and and you know, wait, no, no, that Wasbkanzer.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I get this.

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<v Speaker 2>Excuse me, my bad, My bad. Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>So it says Dagon is the diminutive of Dag and

2002
01:44:58.479 --> 01:45:02.520
<v Speaker 3>signifies fish. Boloonians believe that a being part man in

2003
01:45:02.560 --> 01:45:08.920
<v Speaker 3>part fish, emerged from the Eritherian sea that's a tough word,

2004
01:45:09.600 --> 01:45:12.359
<v Speaker 3>and appeared in Babylonia in the early days of its history.

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01:45:12.399 --> 01:45:14.800
<v Speaker 3>Representations of the fish god have been found among the

2006
01:45:14.840 --> 01:45:19.039
<v Speaker 3>sculptures of Nineveh. The Philistine Dagon was of similar character.

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01:45:19.600 --> 01:45:25.399
<v Speaker 3>So yeah, it's pretty interesting when and then you, oh, dude,

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01:45:25.479 --> 01:45:27.920
<v Speaker 3>I didn't even think about this, And then it gets

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01:45:27.920 --> 01:45:31.960
<v Speaker 3>into the worship of Dagon also affected people's eating habits. Now,

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01:45:32.000 --> 01:45:35.239
<v Speaker 3>the mystery of why Catholics abstain from eating fish on

2011
01:45:35.359 --> 01:45:39.119
<v Speaker 3>all days except for Fridays comes into focus. This restriction

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01:45:39.239 --> 01:45:42.680
<v Speaker 3>of eating fish is not found strict in scripture. Whether

2013
01:45:42.720 --> 01:45:45.279
<v Speaker 3>they realize it or not, they are practicing the ancient

2014
01:45:45.359 --> 01:45:50.199
<v Speaker 3>pagan rite of worshiping Dagon. The Catholic Encyclopedia even admits

2015
01:45:50.479 --> 01:45:54.000
<v Speaker 3>such abominations of the so called church and then as

2016
01:45:54.039 --> 01:45:56.560
<v Speaker 3>a ritual of the warship. We only know from ancient

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01:45:56.560 --> 01:46:00.479
<v Speaker 3>writers that for religious reasons, most of the Syrian peoples

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01:46:00.600 --> 01:46:04.279
<v Speaker 3>abstain from eating fish, a practice that one is naturally

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01:46:04.319 --> 01:46:07.119
<v Speaker 3>inclined to connect with the worship of a fish god.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so that's actually they're wrong on that this source.

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01:46:12.720 --> 01:46:16.359
<v Speaker 1>So Catholics don't abstain from eating fish on every day

2022
01:46:16.359 --> 01:46:21.239
<v Speaker 1>except for Fridays during LNT they only eat fish on Fridays.

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01:46:21.960 --> 01:46:24.359
<v Speaker 1>They eat fish year round, all the time, any day

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01:46:24.359 --> 01:46:26.880
<v Speaker 1>of the week. They don't abstain from it during LNT.

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01:46:27.039 --> 01:46:29.680
<v Speaker 1>They don't eat red meat on Fridays, or any meat

2026
01:46:29.720 --> 01:46:32.880
<v Speaker 1>that when you cut into it bleeds a i e.

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01:46:33.039 --> 01:46:35.039
<v Speaker 1>They only eat fish during that time and that is

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01:46:35.079 --> 01:46:39.399
<v Speaker 1>between that is the vernal equinox. If I'm not mistaken,

2029
01:46:39.439 --> 01:46:41.960
<v Speaker 1>it's around that time when it starts, that's Good Friday

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01:46:42.000 --> 01:46:44.880
<v Speaker 1>and ash Wednesday. Excuse me, it's from ash Wednesday to

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01:46:44.920 --> 01:46:45.479
<v Speaker 1>Good Friday.

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01:46:45.479 --> 01:46:46.800
<v Speaker 2>It's the Easter season of LNT.

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01:46:47.159 --> 01:46:51.439
<v Speaker 1>So they don't abstain from eating fish. That I see

2034
01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:53.239
<v Speaker 1>what they're trying to say. But they got it a

2035
01:46:53.279 --> 01:46:54.439
<v Speaker 1>little off kilt there.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, just different interpretations, that's all it is. But

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01:46:58.079 --> 01:47:01.439
<v Speaker 3>so now I want to get to a website that

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01:47:01.520 --> 01:47:08.680
<v Speaker 3>is called useless etymology dot com The etymology of Dragon. Okay,

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01:47:08.920 --> 01:47:12.479
<v Speaker 3>so let's see what this one says. It says dragon

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01:47:12.560 --> 01:47:17.600
<v Speaker 3>comes from the Latin term draconem, meaning huge serpent or dragon,

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01:47:18.439 --> 01:47:22.920
<v Speaker 3>which in turn is from the Greek dracone, a serpent

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01:47:23.119 --> 01:47:28.880
<v Speaker 3>or giant seafish. The pirroot dirk to see suggests that

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01:47:28.920 --> 01:47:32.119
<v Speaker 3>the literal sense of dracone was the one with the

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01:47:32.239 --> 01:47:36.199
<v Speaker 3>deadly glance. I like looking into this kind of shit

2045
01:47:36.279 --> 01:47:39.960
<v Speaker 3>certain etymologies, but it says the sense of glance or

2046
01:47:40.079 --> 01:47:43.960
<v Speaker 3>gaze in the Greek dracon appears in the stem drac

2047
01:47:44.520 --> 01:47:50.199
<v Speaker 3>of dirk S's tie, which means to see clearly. Dragon

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01:47:50.279 --> 01:47:52.720
<v Speaker 3>came to the English came to English by the way

2049
01:47:52.720 --> 01:47:56.079
<v Speaker 3>of the old French dragon in the thirteenth century, drake

2050
01:47:56.359 --> 01:47:59.760
<v Speaker 3>was also often used interchangeably. In the young were known

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01:47:59.800 --> 01:48:00.840
<v Speaker 3>as dragonettes.

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01:48:02.119 --> 01:48:04.199
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so I've heard of a drake, like a fire

2053
01:48:04.319 --> 01:48:06.760
<v Speaker 1>drake or something like that, So it's like a young dragon, right.

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01:48:07.479 --> 01:48:11.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, basically it says. Originally in Greek

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01:48:11.800 --> 01:48:14.319
<v Speaker 3>and Latin mythology, and even in English, the term could

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01:48:14.359 --> 01:48:17.800
<v Speaker 3>refer to any great serpent, even those that weren't mythological.

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01:48:18.039 --> 01:48:23.520
<v Speaker 3>For example, in the Iliad, Agamemnon wears a blue dragon

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01:48:23.640 --> 01:48:27.800
<v Speaker 3>motif on his sword belt. But it's just like it's

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01:48:27.840 --> 01:48:31.359
<v Speaker 3>it's just as like that the drag con was used

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01:48:31.680 --> 01:48:35.000
<v Speaker 3>there to refer to a snake. So you kind of

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<v Speaker 3>seeing I just like, you know, pulling up.

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<v Speaker 1>A skin belt is still pretty sick though, right right, So,

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01:48:41.520 --> 01:48:44.800
<v Speaker 1>and you start to see it here that the dagon

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<v Speaker 1>the fish god, and how it translates even is relating

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<v Speaker 1>to what we would know as a dragon, that it's

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<v Speaker 1>always something to do, like right here, a sea serpent.

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<v Speaker 3>And you know, so I kind of just wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>throw that went out there. As far as the etymology goes,

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<v Speaker 3>it's up to interpretation, I believe. As far as where

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<v Speaker 3>this term dragon or dagon comes from, people have different

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<v Speaker 3>understandings of it, but whether it comes from Draccon or

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<v Speaker 3>Dagon or whatever, they definitely seem to be at least

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<v Speaker 3>somewhat interchangeable.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so I just wanted to.

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<v Speaker 3>Throw that out there. Next, I would like to get

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<v Speaker 3>to d all right, Yeah, this is going to be

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<v Speaker 3>one of the final things that we look into. But

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<v Speaker 3>this is this is actually a pretty cool way of

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<v Speaker 3>looking at this. So I want, y'all, it's only like

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<v Speaker 3>three minutes long. We're not going to play the whole thing,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's only three minutes long. And this is the

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<v Speaker 3>Vatican Cult of Dagon. This is what they get into.

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<v Speaker 5>So in his movie Dagon, which I highly recommend you

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<v Speaker 5>you go see, he shows how the fish people turned

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<v Speaker 5>everyone away from God and it brought them together under

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<v Speaker 5>their dark lord.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>But for HB.

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<v Speaker 5>Lovecraft, these murph folk were no beauties.

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<v Speaker 6>Perhaps they're beautiful, they were also very deadly, but they

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<v Speaker 6>would corrupt your soul and take you over genetically.

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<v Speaker 5>And then bring you down to the dark One and

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<v Speaker 5>the deep, the one that ever sleeps.

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<v Speaker 3>I mainly wanted to show it for the movie that

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<v Speaker 3>he was referencing called Dagon, which was basically these mermaids

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<v Speaker 3>that were bringing down people down to their god. And

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<v Speaker 3>so could we be talking about Leviathan here? Plus that

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<v Speaker 3>was that was written. It was a story written by

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<v Speaker 3>what was it, Madam Blavotsky or HB. Lovecraft, one of them?

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<v Speaker 2>HP Lovecraft. That's right, right, So all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, this next video I want to show is it's

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<v Speaker 3>actually is this your boy, let's see, it's only four minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>Check it out.

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<v Speaker 4>Religious symbol and that is an ancient Phoenician god that

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<v Speaker 4>was very important in the Middle East some five thousand

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<v Speaker 4>years ago. That god was called Dagon, the Agom. Dagon

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01:51:17.399 --> 01:51:22.600
<v Speaker 4>was a fish god. Interesting how he has evolved into

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<v Speaker 4>today's world of religion. Dagon is still very much alive

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<v Speaker 4>with the.

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<v Speaker 3>World today, Jordan Maxwell, there it is.

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<v Speaker 4>First of all, everyone knows that Christianity is founded on

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<v Speaker 4>the worship of Jesus Christ. That is accepted around the world,

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<v Speaker 4>and most people believe that the Vatican is a center

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<v Speaker 4>for the worship of Jesus, the God of Christianity. However,

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<v Speaker 4>millions of people also believe that the Pope of Rome

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<v Speaker 4>is leading the Christians to worship Jesus throughout the world.

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<v Speaker 4>But my question is who is the pope leading the

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<v Speaker 4>worship of The first symbol that I want to talk

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<v Speaker 4>about is the headdress that the Pope or the Bishop

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<v Speaker 4>of Rome wears. That headdress is very interesting and has

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<v Speaker 4>quite a history to it. That pope's headdress is called

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<v Speaker 4>Pope's miter, the Pope's might. We've seen it in many

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<v Speaker 4>different shapes, but they're always basically the same shape, the

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<v Speaker 4>Pope's miter. It's an official headdress worn only by the Pope,

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<v Speaker 4>supposedly only by the Pope. But we need to understand

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<v Speaker 4>that that symbol goes back at least five thousand years.

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<v Speaker 4>So what we need to know and what we need

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<v Speaker 4>to keep in mind, is that this strange and interesting

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<v Speaker 4>headdress of hat that the Pope wears is impacted by

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<v Speaker 4>a god named Dagon. Degon was a god of the Philistines,

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<v Speaker 4>and Dagon comes from the word dag, which means fish.

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<v Speaker 4>So Degon was a fish god. And here we have

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<v Speaker 4>pictures of another fish god named Annis, same god, but

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01:53:23.760 --> 01:53:29.039
<v Speaker 4>was worship in different countries under different names. So we

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<v Speaker 4>have we have a god who's half fish and half

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<v Speaker 4>men are men who wear the garbs of a fish

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01:53:36.279 --> 01:53:39.960
<v Speaker 4>in their in their religious uh celebrations. So here in

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<v Speaker 4>the Jewish Encyclopedia, under the heading of Dagon, you will

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<v Speaker 4>see a picture of uh the priests of Dagon or

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01:53:47.960 --> 01:53:51.279
<v Speaker 4>the god himself, and he's wearing a fish head and

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01:53:51.319 --> 01:53:55.600
<v Speaker 4>the body of a fish down his back. So now

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<v Speaker 4>we see the pope's headdress on the top is the

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01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:04.039
<v Speaker 4>pope's by but when turned you then see he's actually

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<v Speaker 4>wearing a fish head the fish god dey god, because

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01:54:08.479 --> 01:54:14.520
<v Speaker 4>he's representing the worship of an ancient Phoenician god. So

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<v Speaker 4>this is why today Christians on the back of their

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01:54:17.560 --> 01:54:22.359
<v Speaker 4>cars you will see have a fish symbol, thinking that

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<v Speaker 4>that's to denote them as Christians worship in Jesus. No,

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<v Speaker 4>it's a fish symbol because it's denoting Dagon, the fish God.

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<v Speaker 4>The significance of Dagon was a very important mystical god

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<v Speaker 4>to the ancient peoples in the Middle East, in Babylonia

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01:54:40.000 --> 01:54:45.319
<v Speaker 4>who Maria Veniicia Cana, and that very powerful mystical god

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01:54:45.520 --> 01:54:50.680
<v Speaker 4>is still dominating the spirit and the intellectual thinking of

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01:54:50.760 --> 01:54:55.960
<v Speaker 4>religion even to today. So it's not Jesus that's influencing

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01:54:56.079 --> 01:55:00.199
<v Speaker 4>the Vatican and the Pope, it's Dagon, the fish god.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the importance of this. The point being is that

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<v Speaker 4>religion comes to the world and the age of Pisces,

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<v Speaker 4>and Pisces is of course the two fish of the

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<v Speaker 4>constellation of Pisces. But day God is five thousand years old, all.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, So there's the Great Jordan Maxwell. May he rest

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01:55:27.920 --> 01:55:31.840
<v Speaker 3>in peace. But it's pretty interesting whenever you really look

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01:55:31.880 --> 01:55:34.520
<v Speaker 3>at it. What is the purpose of this fish hot

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01:55:34.680 --> 01:55:38.039
<v Speaker 3>and who are they really bowing to? That's the big

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<v Speaker 3>question because you look at the Vatican, you look at

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<v Speaker 3>how they run their business over there. You got all

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01:55:44.319 --> 01:55:46.680
<v Speaker 3>the pedophiles going on over there. I know that a

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01:55:46.680 --> 01:55:49.399
<v Speaker 3>couple of shit heads don't represent everybody whenever, but whenever

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<v Speaker 3>you have them by the thousands, literally, yeah, by the thousands.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, be a trend. I'll say that for sure.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right, And so we just want to throw that

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<v Speaker 3>one out there. One more thing that I wanted to

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<v Speaker 3>bring up. This is a very interesting article. This would

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<v Speaker 3>be the last one that we bring up over here,

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<v Speaker 3>and I.

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<v Speaker 2>From the Irish Central.

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<v Speaker 3>The Irish Central Central dot com.

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<v Speaker 1>But it says this out to Ireland, we do in

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01:56:17.279 --> 01:56:20.479
<v Speaker 1>fact have like over one thousand Irish cult members out there.

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<v Speaker 2>We see you. We see you out there rocking the

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01:56:22.640 --> 01:56:24.359
<v Speaker 2>orange or the green. Either way that goes.

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01:56:24.520 --> 01:56:26.399
<v Speaker 3>I look forward to the green beer every year.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go.

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<v Speaker 3>But it says an Irish Saints eerie prophecy that Pope

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<v Speaker 3>Francis will be the last pontiff. Check this shit.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, Oh the pope prophecy.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, we've brought it up before, but let's read about.

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<v Speaker 3>It now, dude. It's wild, all right. So it says this.

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<v Speaker 1>Prophecy also predicted Benedict resigning, if I'm not mistaken, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, sirh did Okay? It says, in a series of

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<v Speaker 3>one hundred and twelve cryptic Latin phrases, the Irish saint

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<v Speaker 3>predicts the Roman Catholic popes. He predicted there would only

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<v Speaker 3>be one more pope after Benedict, and during his reign

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<v Speaker 3>comes the end of the world, so Francis could be

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<v Speaker 3>the last Saint. Malachi's final prediction in full is this

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<v Speaker 3>in the final persecution of the Holy Roman Church that

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<v Speaker 3>will reign Peter the Roman, who will feed his flock

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01:57:19.119 --> 01:57:22.880
<v Speaker 3>amid many tribulations, after which the seven hilled city will

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<v Speaker 3>be destroyed, and the dreadful judge will judge the people

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<v Speaker 3>the end. So it says Pope Francis, who was born

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<v Speaker 3>as George Mario Bergold Bergoglio or Hey Jorgey orgy, let

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<v Speaker 3>me put some respect on that chose his papal name

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<v Speaker 3>in honor of Saint Francis of Assissi. One theory that

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01:57:43.840 --> 01:57:46.800
<v Speaker 3>seeks to confirm the Irish Saints' final prophecy is that

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<v Speaker 3>Saint Francis's father's name was Pietro or Peter Okay. Interesting.

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<v Speaker 3>In eleven thirty nine, the Archbishop Malachi went to Rome

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<v Speaker 3>from Ireland to give an account of his affairs. While there,

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01:58:00.079 --> 01:58:02.640
<v Speaker 3>he received a strange vision about the future that included

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<v Speaker 3>the name of every pope one hundred and twelve in

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<v Speaker 3>all from his time who would rule until the end

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<v Speaker 3>of time. We are now the last prophecy. Saint Malachi

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<v Speaker 3>gave an account of his visions to Pope Innocent the Second,

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<v Speaker 3>but the document remained unknown to in the Roman archives

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<v Speaker 3>until its discovery in fifteen ninety. His predictions are taken

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<v Speaker 3>very seriously, as one report states, in nineteen fifty eight,

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<v Speaker 3>before the conclave that would elect Pope John, the thirteenth, Cardinal,

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<v Speaker 3>Spellman of New York hired a boat filled it with

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<v Speaker 3>sheep and sailed up and down the Tiber River to

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<v Speaker 3>show that he was pastor at Nautre. The motto attributed

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<v Speaker 3>to the next Pope and the prophecies. As for the

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<v Speaker 3>prophecy concerning the one hundred and eleventh Pope, Pope Benedict,

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<v Speaker 3>the prophecy says of him Gloria Olivier, which means the

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<v Speaker 3>glory of the Olive. The order of Saint Benedict is

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<v Speaker 3>all known as the Olivitins, which many claim. The many

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<v Speaker 3>claims make Malachi prophecies correct. The next and final pope

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<v Speaker 3>then should be Peter Romans. Many of the prophecies are

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<v Speaker 3>spot on. For example, the one about Pope Urban the

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<v Speaker 3>eighth is Lilium et rosa, or the lily in the rose.

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<v Speaker 3>He was a native of Florence, and arms of Florence

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<v Speaker 3>feature a in the arms of Florence feature of Florida Lee.

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<v Speaker 3>So Pope John the Second or Pope John Paul the

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<v Speaker 3>Second is de la bor Solis, meaning of the eclipse

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<v Speaker 3>of the sun. And he was born May eighteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 3>twenty during a solar eclipse. Yeah, so it's pretty interesting,

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<v Speaker 3>but it says Peregrinus Apostolicus or pilgrim Pope, which designates pious.

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<v Speaker 3>The six appears to be verified by many journeys to

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<v Speaker 3>new Lands. So will Pope Francis be the last pope?

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<v Speaker 3>The Irish seer of the twelfth century has said it so,

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<v Speaker 3>and time will tell.

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<v Speaker 2>Dude, isn't that interesting?

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<v Speaker 1>So apparently this is going to be the pope that's

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<v Speaker 1>going to be in the in charge when the apocalypse happens.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what the seer would have us believe.

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<v Speaker 1>I gotta tell you. I mean, I do believe that

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<v Speaker 1>we are living in the end times. I one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>percent do, so I have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Agree with it. But then again I may be biased.

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<v Speaker 1>And again this is if we are to believe the

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<v Speaker 1>historical accounts, and if we are to believe that that

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<v Speaker 1>pope prophecy isn't a forgery in all of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't believe it is personally, But you know, there's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be haters throwing shade. So you know, some people

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02:00:45.479 --> 02:00:47.960
<v Speaker 1>will hear that and really get concerned. Some people will

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<v Speaker 1>hear that and laugh themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>We're here for everybody.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean. The only way to deem it untrue would

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<v Speaker 3>be as if we get a new pope.

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<v Speaker 2>Or if just you know, I mean.

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<v Speaker 3>Mor pharma and happens and we all die, then it

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<v Speaker 3>would be true.

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<v Speaker 2>But does it mean That's the thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to look more into it because like

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<v Speaker 1>does it mean armageddon or does it mean the end

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<v Speaker 1>of the church, Like this would be the last pope

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<v Speaker 1>as in the Catholic Church crumbles.

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<v Speaker 3>It could be that. I mean, especially especially if you

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<v Speaker 3>think that you know, the globalist or the Illuminati is

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<v Speaker 3>trying for a one world order. They wouldn't need a

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<v Speaker 3>religious sector of that order. It would just be one ordering.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the religion might even detract from it. If anything,

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<v Speaker 1>they're trying to do away with religion.

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<v Speaker 3>Altogether, like the Chinese.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, Communism is very big about that. No religion is

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<v Speaker 1>bad for the society. That's how they see it. It

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<v Speaker 1>takes away from the common good.

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<v Speaker 3>Right. So anyway, I wanted to bring all this up

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<v Speaker 3>because I want people to really start looking into the

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<v Speaker 3>symbology of whatever it is you believe in. I personally,

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<v Speaker 3>like I say, you know, whenever I look into any

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<v Speaker 3>thing spiritual, I'm always looking into the symbology because I

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<v Speaker 3>want to know it's roots. Because if you're in prayer

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<v Speaker 3>or if you're in meditation, or if you're performing some

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<v Speaker 3>kind of witchcraft shit. It's all really all encompassing. But

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<v Speaker 3>the idea that the pope wearing the hat, the hat

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<v Speaker 3>of Dagon, which dates to awanis or however you o

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<v Speaker 3>WANs or however he said it, which also is the

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<v Speaker 3>father to bail. And then you look into all right,

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<v Speaker 3>where does the Pope sit in his auditorium and it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, demons pulling Jesus, you know, back into hell, right,

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<v Speaker 3>and then you see then you see him carrying his

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<v Speaker 3>staff with the two little fishes on it, with Jesus

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<v Speaker 3>just dying right there, and it really puts it into

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<v Speaker 3>puts it into the scope of like all right, like

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<v Speaker 3>who are these people worshiping? Like what are they really pushing?

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<v Speaker 3>And especially dude, I don't know about you, but I

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<v Speaker 3>love watching Like there was this video that I saw

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<v Speaker 3>and it was like mass over the Vatican one day.

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<v Speaker 3>It was a couple of years ago, and they're speaking

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<v Speaker 3>in Latin or in Italian or whatever, but like over

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<v Speaker 3>there it was I guess it was being translated one way,

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<v Speaker 3>maybe they were saying something else, but dude, basically the

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<v Speaker 3>Pope was talking about like how Lucifer is Lord.

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<v Speaker 2>And it just heard something about that, but I haven't

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<v Speaker 2>seen the video.

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<v Speaker 3>It's crazy, dude, And so all I'm saying is is

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<v Speaker 3>just look into it. Don't take every single thing on faith,

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<v Speaker 3>because whenever you take every single thing on faith, you're

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<v Speaker 3>leaving interpretation up to people who may not have the

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<v Speaker 3>best interest at your heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely read your Bible for yourselves, y'all, okay, or read

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<v Speaker 1>your literature yourselves, do your own research. Don't just if

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<v Speaker 1>you're gonna die on a hill, make sure it's for

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<v Speaker 1>something that you actually truly believe into your core.

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<v Speaker 3>Right right. So anyway, Yeah, just really wanted to bring

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<v Speaker 3>up all that. I thought it was an interesting rabbit

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<v Speaker 3>hole to dive into, and you know, just the Vatican

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<v Speaker 3>in general, all roads, all roads leading back to Rome.

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<v Speaker 3>I do believe that the Vatican is one of, if

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<v Speaker 3>not the most evil place on the planet. And you

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<v Speaker 3>can really see it. I get it that it's a

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<v Speaker 3>very beautiful place. I mean, it's the amount of artifacts

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<v Speaker 3>they have. They literally have too many. They have to

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<v Speaker 3>put most of them down into a basement where you

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<v Speaker 3>have to, you know, have a certain title even to

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<v Speaker 3>get in there, and I don't know. I anytime I

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<v Speaker 3>hear a Vatican and the Pope, I'm just like, hmm.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, they might be preaching Jesus on the surface,

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<v Speaker 3>but you know their heart lies within their symbolism, and

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<v Speaker 3>their symbolism shows fucking Satan worship. That's really what it is.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>And again this is not trying to throw shade it

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic people. Okay, if you, if you have found your

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<v Speaker 1>peace in this world from going to Mass and saying

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<v Speaker 1>the hymns and good for you, good for you, God

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<v Speaker 1>bless him, but we would be remiss to just point

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<v Speaker 1>out the glaring, obvious red flags when we see them,

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<v Speaker 1>the same way we do about all denominations, the same

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<v Speaker 1>way we do about all religions and things and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>We're just here to ask the questions. You know, nobody

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<v Speaker 1>should be upset by anything we have said today.

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<v Speaker 3>And I know that everybody has their own interpretation of

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<v Speaker 3>our boy, Zachary King. You know how I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Gonna ask, why don't you say any of this stuff whenever?

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<v Speaker 1>Not just him, but like a spiritual gangster, she's a

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<v Speaker 1>Catholic her. Like there's some people that I would love

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<v Speaker 1>to actually as a Christian. I would love to debate

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<v Speaker 1>them for their Catholic faith versus Protestant faith.

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<v Speaker 2>But I would love to like do it respectfully.

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<v Speaker 1>And the problem is, whenever you get to people that

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<v Speaker 1>dogmatic about their religions butting heads, it can very rarely

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<v Speaker 1>stay respectful, y'all.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the reason why we don't do this.

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like Teresa would would be pretty kosher the

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<v Speaker 3>whole time.

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<v Speaker 2>She would, But that's the thing I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I would have to talk with her and see, like

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<v Speaker 1>how invested in the rituals of the Catholic faith she is,

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<v Speaker 1>you know what, I mean to do that, and then.

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<v Speaker 3>At that so she knows her shit though.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh her knowledge absolutely, but like I don't know, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>maybe I just anyway, the reason I even bring that

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<v Speaker 2>up negatively, you know, well.

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<v Speaker 3>The reason I even bring that up, it's like, all right,

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<v Speaker 3>you have Zachary King, the ex Satanic wizard, right, the

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<v Speaker 3>high wizard of Satanism. Yeah, and then he just easily

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<v Speaker 3>converts over to Catholicism, you know what I'm.

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<v Speaker 1>Saying, left the Satanic temple for a few years by

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<v Speaker 1>the time when he finally had the meeting with Mary.

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<v Speaker 3>Like that, No, I know, I know, but I'm just

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<v Speaker 3>saying sometimes like likes like that's all. I'm just throwing

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<v Speaker 3>that out there.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, But anyway what you're putting down.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's all I'm saying. You know, I'm just an outsider.

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<v Speaker 3>What do I know?

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<v Speaker 2>Now?

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<v Speaker 1>Could that also be because the organization that he was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of took a lot of the uh rituals

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<v Speaker 1>in order of operations, so to speak, of a Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>mass and made it for their Satanic reasons. And seeing

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<v Speaker 1>as how he was a part of a Satanic cult

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<v Speaker 1>from a very young age, he noticed things.

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<v Speaker 2>That kind of lined up.

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<v Speaker 1>He's like, Oh, I wonder why of those looks like

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<v Speaker 1>it felt normal or natural. Maybe because they took it

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<v Speaker 1>from the Catholics, not the other way around.

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<v Speaker 3>Rituals be ritual ling, ritual ling there we go. So

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<v Speaker 3>whenever you see a dark side of the ritual and

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<v Speaker 3>then you say, oh look there's the there's the light

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<v Speaker 3>side of the ritual, the fact of the matter is

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<v Speaker 3>still ritual and do be ritual and they do be ritualing.

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<v Speaker 3>So I don't know, I'm just drawing compar dude, they

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<v Speaker 3>do be. So anyway, do with.

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<v Speaker 2>That as you will.

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<v Speaker 3>I just wanted to provide this whole uh dagon warship

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<v Speaker 3>the owanis or however the fuck you say it worship

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<v Speaker 3>which is basically worshiping the fish God. Could it be

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<v Speaker 3>worshiping the dragon? Could it be worshiping the Leviathan? Could

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<v Speaker 3>it be the Baptist is a symbol of your worship

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<v Speaker 3>to dig on? I know sounds blasphemous, but just look

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<v Speaker 3>into it. We don't know where a lot of this,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, comes from, and the etymology. Etymology is important.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's really why I wanted to bring it up.

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<v Speaker 3>But hopefully I didn't piss too many people off.

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<v Speaker 2>Nah, I don't think you did.

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<v Speaker 1>But now you tell you what, if y'all want to

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<v Speaker 1>let us know how you felt about it, agreed, disagree,

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<v Speaker 1>Fuck y'all, fuck us what.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, we don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>We should, we should have this discourse and if you

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<v Speaker 1>would like to have a way to do that.

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<v Speaker 2>Right now, as.

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<v Speaker 1>You're listening to this, most of you are listening on

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<v Speaker 1>You have the ability to leave a review, to leave

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<v Speaker 1>So if you have it already, dear cult members, please

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<v Speaker 1>at this time.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's the deal.

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<v Speaker 2>Who could then become potential call members.

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<v Speaker 1>Elect the rest of you, finalies and gentlemen, We thank

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<v Speaker 1>right there, I care saying in the review section, let

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<v Speaker 2>Let us know if we were on base, let us

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know if it's just conjecture and lore, or

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for everybody who's already gone and done so.

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<v Speaker 3>And with that being said, this was another beautiful episode

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