WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:03.399 Hey, what's up. I'm Ben and I'm. 2 00:00:03.319 --> 00:00:06.719 Nicole, and you're listening to Wicked and Grim. 3 00:00:06.280 --> 00:00:14.279 A true crime podcast. Warning. The following podcast contains content 4 00:00:14.839 --> 00:00:37.880 material intended more mature audience. Listener discretion is advice. Here 5 00:00:37.920 --> 00:00:40.439 we are, first episode, first. 6 00:00:40.159 --> 00:00:42.520 One, first one, first one, out of the bag. 7 00:00:42.880 --> 00:00:44.479 I'm nervous to you. 8 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:45.520 No, not at all? 9 00:00:45.560 --> 00:00:48.479 That wine good, true, sir, I do have whiskey. 10 00:00:48.640 --> 00:00:49.240 Let's do this. 11 00:00:49.640 --> 00:00:51.079 Might need to drink a little more whiskey. 12 00:00:52.880 --> 00:00:55.960 Maybe maybe a wine would be better, right, No, I'm down. 13 00:00:55.880 --> 00:00:58.719 With the whiskey. We are we we're not alcoholics. I 14 00:00:58.719 --> 00:01:00.600 swear we like to drink, especially considering we are in 15 00:01:00.600 --> 00:01:02.280 a first podcast and we're nervous. 16 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:03.640 Yeah, it's the first one. 17 00:01:03.719 --> 00:01:04.000 It is. 18 00:01:04.040 --> 00:01:05.400 It's just gonna go uphill from here. 19 00:01:05.680 --> 00:01:07.920 If it doesn't go uphill from here, it's gonna go downhill, 20 00:01:07.920 --> 00:01:09.760 which at least is a nice, easy role and not 21 00:01:09.799 --> 00:01:10.400 a lot of work. 22 00:01:11.959 --> 00:01:15.560 Oh, I's set us up for success. 23 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:17.599 Here, I mean lots of success. But it is true. 24 00:01:17.799 --> 00:01:20.560 It's true. If it goes downhill, it'll be easy. Uphill 25 00:01:20.799 --> 00:01:21.280 is the work? 26 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:23.680 Uphill actually is harder? Yeah, that's true. 27 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:25.400 It is. It always is. And we're talking about a 28 00:01:25.439 --> 00:01:28.280 case today where people are going up hill way up 29 00:01:28.599 --> 00:01:32.519 dunt dum dum for doom, for doom. Ooh, like you 30 00:01:32.519 --> 00:01:34.640 said that just for doom, just to their doomed. 31 00:01:34.680 --> 00:01:38.959 There's Yeah, I don't even know much about this yet. 32 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:40.319 I know very little, very little. 33 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:42.959 Although you did watch the remake of this case in 34 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.359 like the Hollywood movie sort of situation, which is kind 35 00:01:45.359 --> 00:01:46.680 of like a B grade sort of movie. It's not 36 00:01:46.719 --> 00:01:51.359 like anything fancy, but the remake is known as Devil's Pass. 37 00:01:51.920 --> 00:01:53.599 They go through a bit of information, they say a 38 00:01:53.599 --> 00:01:56.280 little bit of things and stuff. They go off on 39 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:57.799 a tangent and get a little sci fi on it. 40 00:01:57.840 --> 00:01:59.599 But you said it was quite different than like what 41 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:00.519 you would be presenting. 42 00:02:00.640 --> 00:02:02.879 It is. It is. They offer facts in the movie, 43 00:02:03.319 --> 00:02:04.920 but it's definitely not along the. 44 00:02:04.920 --> 00:02:07.280 Same line, and they offer their take on their the outcome. 45 00:02:07.359 --> 00:02:10.039 They do, but but there's many takes. 46 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.400 I'm assuming everyone has their own take on this because 47 00:02:12.400 --> 00:02:16.520 there is no outcome. This is a mystery true crime podcast. 48 00:02:16.599 --> 00:02:18.400 Because now see I don't love that it's no ending. 49 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:22.439 Are ending You're you're because you're one hundred percent wholeheartedly 50 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:23.919 the true crime individual. 51 00:02:24.120 --> 00:02:26.439 Yeah, if I don't know what happened. Like it, I'll 52 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:27.360 lose sleep over this. 53 00:02:27.560 --> 00:02:30.400 I love the mystery stuff, No, I do. Like there's 54 00:02:30.479 --> 00:02:33.080 okay growing up, you know, watching unsolved mysteries going on 55 00:02:33.120 --> 00:02:35.039 YouTube at like three am. I still do that, and 56 00:02:35.039 --> 00:02:36.960 I get down the rabbit hole and paranormal stuff and 57 00:02:37.039 --> 00:02:39.199 all that. I don't know if you guys heard that. 58 00:02:38.960 --> 00:02:40.800 It was that the dog or you that was the dog. 59 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:42.639 The dog is sleeping under my. 60 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:44.719 Feet currently, yeah, and then the other one is just 61 00:02:44.800 --> 00:02:46.719 up above us, curled up. And we have a black 62 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:48.639 cat Kiwi wandering around somewhere. 63 00:02:48.840 --> 00:02:51.360 What is the mascot of Wicked and Grim? 64 00:02:51.560 --> 00:02:53.199 He's not on our thumb now, maybe he should be 65 00:02:53.240 --> 00:02:55.919 next time. You should have put it too late now, 66 00:02:56.080 --> 00:02:56.960 too late now. 67 00:02:57.400 --> 00:02:59.439 In like the little icon thing that you made, you 68 00:02:59.479 --> 00:03:00.759 could been sitting under the tree. 69 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:04.080 Oh, I might have to edit that then. I like it, 70 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:07.080 just a little subtle thing. Let's put quire or it could. 71 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:10.439 Be like a secondary icon and Lee Wee isn't there once. 72 00:03:10.400 --> 00:03:12.680 We'll figure out either way. Kiwi is our mascot. He 73 00:03:12.759 --> 00:03:15.000 is our black cat or rescue from the SPCA like 74 00:03:15.759 --> 00:03:16.479 twelve years ago. 75 00:03:16.879 --> 00:03:18.680 No, yeah, he's a little cuity he is. 76 00:03:18.879 --> 00:03:22.560 He's also our best Halloween decoration, like ever, like ever, 77 00:03:22.960 --> 00:03:23.560 he's the best. 78 00:03:23.719 --> 00:03:25.039 Can't top it one percent. 79 00:03:25.960 --> 00:03:27.759 So you ready to dive into this. 80 00:03:27.840 --> 00:03:29.520 I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's go. 81 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:31.479 So if you know of the movie The Devil's Pass, 82 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:34.280 you know most likely know of what this what it's 83 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:39.639 based off of, which is the Diatlov Pass incident in Russia. 84 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:44.319 It's it's a crazy occurrence of what happened. We still 85 00:03:44.319 --> 00:03:46.439 don't know what happened, but we're going to dive into 86 00:03:46.479 --> 00:03:48.240 it and we're going to try and sort this out 87 00:03:48.240 --> 00:03:51.120 as best we can. However, it is such a large case, 88 00:03:51.120 --> 00:03:54.719 such a well known case, so many theories information, there's 89 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:56.120 no way we're gonna be able to give you all 90 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:58.240 the information in the time we have, but we're going 91 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:00.800 to do our best. I research the crap out of this. 92 00:04:00.840 --> 00:04:03.080 I've got like eight pages of notes right in front 93 00:04:03.080 --> 00:04:05.159 of me, So if you hear paper shuffling, that's me 94 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:06.919 frantically trying to find a note. 95 00:04:06.680 --> 00:04:09.800 That I you enjoyed this, though you enjoyed researching this, I'm. 96 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:11.639 Not a research person, which is weird that I enjoyed 97 00:04:11.639 --> 00:04:12.080 this well. 98 00:04:11.960 --> 00:04:13.719 Because it's such a case. At your interesting. 99 00:04:13.879 --> 00:04:16.480 I love this case, like I love it so much. Yeah, 100 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:20.399 but yeah, I definitely enjoyed it. So the diyachtlav Pass, 101 00:04:20.680 --> 00:04:23.240 it starts out in January twenty third. We're taking it 102 00:04:23.319 --> 00:04:25.279 back to nineteen. 103 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:27.519 Fifty nine, nineteen fifty nine. 104 00:04:27.399 --> 00:04:30.480 Right, and we're going to the euro Mountains in Soviet Russia. 105 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:34.879 We have ten experienced hikers, ten ten, ten hikers, and 106 00:04:34.920 --> 00:04:36.639 they're all like, we're gonna go out. We're gonna hike 107 00:04:36.720 --> 00:04:39.720 this these mountains is trail and it's gonna be bombed. 108 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:42.759 So there was eight men and two women, and they're 109 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:45.759 all very very experienced outdoorsmen, like they can build a 110 00:04:45.759 --> 00:04:48.120 fire shelter, they could survive. They do this all the time. 111 00:04:48.120 --> 00:04:50.560 They would go hiking in January, I hope, so I. 112 00:04:50.720 --> 00:04:52.759 In the middle of the freaking Russian mountains. 113 00:04:52.759 --> 00:04:54.120 There's no way I'd ever do that. 114 00:04:54.279 --> 00:04:55.480 Right, Like it's crazy. 115 00:04:55.519 --> 00:04:57.519 And in nineteen fifty Mount Robson was a feat. 116 00:04:57.800 --> 00:04:58.759 I mean that was a feat. 117 00:04:58.800 --> 00:05:01.360 Don't get me wrong, it it was. But some people 118 00:05:01.439 --> 00:05:02.879 think that's like a very easy hike. 119 00:05:03.199 --> 00:05:05.399 Definitely not how many How many kilometers was that it 120 00:05:05.439 --> 00:05:07.040 was like twenty one kilometers or something. 121 00:05:06.920 --> 00:05:10.600 Nineteen or something up and then nineteen down obviously, but 122 00:05:10.720 --> 00:05:11.759 it was freaking hard. 123 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:14.040 It was it was I was crazy. 124 00:05:14.079 --> 00:05:16.839 Anyway, We're not to these people's standards. 125 00:05:16.879 --> 00:05:19.120 We're not. Although we do like the outdoors. I go hunting, 126 00:05:19.199 --> 00:05:21.560 you know, we go hiking, snowshoeing, that stuff. These guys 127 00:05:21.720 --> 00:05:23.319 knew what they were doing and they didn't do it 128 00:05:23.360 --> 00:05:25.959 with near the gear we have today, which is crazy. 129 00:05:26.360 --> 00:05:29.160 So this whole group was led by their leader, Igor Dyatlov, 130 00:05:29.639 --> 00:05:33.680 and this incident was named after him. 131 00:05:33.759 --> 00:05:35.639 So there's a little bit of an incident you don't 132 00:05:35.639 --> 00:05:37.040 want named after you, right. 133 00:05:37.480 --> 00:05:39.319 I'm pretty sure you can already tell that he does 134 00:05:39.319 --> 00:05:42.759 not survive, considering it was named after him. But we'll 135 00:05:42.759 --> 00:05:46.160 get into that. We'll get into that. So over the 136 00:05:46.199 --> 00:05:48.199 next few days, them deciding that they're going to depart 137 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:51.120 on this adventure up into the mountains, the ural mountains 138 00:05:51.120 --> 00:05:53.519 of Russia, which it was laid out by them, by 139 00:05:53.560 --> 00:05:55.519 the Mancy tribe, the local Manci tribe and everything. It 140 00:05:55.560 --> 00:05:58.240 was already it was pre plotted, okay, Okay, so keep 141 00:05:58.279 --> 00:06:00.720 that in mind. They all live there, you know, I 142 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:03.519 don't think they lived in this area, but they were 143 00:06:03.519 --> 00:06:05.600 all Russian. Yeah, okay, I'm gonna have to try and 144 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:08.800 read off Russian names here shortly, and that's that's I'm 145 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:11.079 gonna do my best, but I'll promise anything, we'll see, 146 00:06:11.079 --> 00:06:14.319 we'll see. So over the next few days it consisted 147 00:06:14.360 --> 00:06:16.720 of traveling, of course, you know, towards the mountains. First 148 00:06:16.759 --> 00:06:19.399 they travel by train, then by bus, then in like 149 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.279 the back like a box of a pickup truck, horse 150 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:24.360 and sleigh, and then finally by foot. 151 00:06:24.240 --> 00:06:26.480 In skis wow, quite the journey. 152 00:06:26.560 --> 00:06:28.879 And they're going like town to town, you know, village 153 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:31.920 to village sort of thing. They're spending the night here, 154 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:33.879 and then they're finding their next route, their next route, 155 00:06:33.879 --> 00:06:35.879 and they eventually get to where they you know, go 156 00:06:35.920 --> 00:06:38.240 off by foot. Okay, So that's that's where we're leading up. 157 00:06:39.279 --> 00:06:41.839 So on January twenty third, that's when they set out 158 00:06:41.879 --> 00:06:43.920 to do this, and by January twenty eighth, one of 159 00:06:43.959 --> 00:06:47.959 the one of the hikers, Yurie Udon, that fallen fallen 160 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:49.279 ill is what a lot of people say, but I 161 00:06:49.279 --> 00:06:51.120 think it was like you had a few different things 162 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:53.720 going on, like maybe like a weak knee and different things. 163 00:06:53.720 --> 00:06:56.680 But either way, he said like he can't continue on, 164 00:06:56.800 --> 00:06:58.920 he can't go He's not fit for the venture. 165 00:06:59.480 --> 00:07:03.079 Best decision of his life, right because you're a udon. 166 00:07:03.279 --> 00:07:06.839 Oh wow, is the only survivor from this hike. 167 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:09.120 Oh man, I'd want to be him. 168 00:07:09.480 --> 00:07:11.959 Right. Well, I don't even still the stuff that he's 169 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:12.399 living with. 170 00:07:12.480 --> 00:07:13.879 Man, Yeah, that's very true. 171 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:15.519 I'm not sure if he's still alive today. 172 00:07:15.319 --> 00:07:17.720 Because lots of people, Yeah, they are surviving, like they 173 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:19.279 have a lot of a lot on their mind. 174 00:07:19.399 --> 00:07:21.480 Yeah, PTSD, trauma and that sort of stuff. 175 00:07:21.600 --> 00:07:22.439 Yeah. 176 00:07:22.519 --> 00:07:24.639 So anyways, he decided that he was going to stay back, 177 00:07:24.720 --> 00:07:27.000 and he stayed. I believe he stayed in the most 178 00:07:27.000 --> 00:07:29.959 recent village that they left from by foot. I believe 179 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:31.759 that's where he stayed, or one of the villages somewhere 180 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:34.680 along there. Okay, And on their route, you know, they 181 00:07:34.680 --> 00:07:37.839 took they took several cameras with them and several journals 182 00:07:37.920 --> 00:07:40.199 all this sort of thing. They they documented their their 183 00:07:40.199 --> 00:07:42.000 trip well, and you can look at the photos they're 184 00:07:42.000 --> 00:07:44.199 all online, and they had they had a blast. You know, 185 00:07:44.199 --> 00:07:48.279 they're they're smiling the group photos. They're hiking and skiing 186 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:49.519 like cross country skiing. 187 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:51.480 They're in their element. All the sounds of. 188 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:55.120 It, and that element is the snowy mountains in Russia. 189 00:07:55.199 --> 00:07:57.680 So they rocked this. They were doing this, and in 190 00:07:57.720 --> 00:07:59.839 one of the journals, actually there was a bit of 191 00:07:59.839 --> 00:08:04.319 an ominous entry, this one. Still it stood out to 192 00:08:04.360 --> 00:08:06.879 me and I quote, this is right from the journal. 193 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.160 I wonder what awaits us on this hike? Will anything happen? 194 00:08:13.199 --> 00:08:14.639 Wow? Like what did she think? 195 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:14.959 Is this? 196 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:16.160 Sorry? Him her? 197 00:08:16.800 --> 00:08:19.800 I can't remember who who wrote this entry. There were 198 00:08:19.839 --> 00:08:24.319 several journals like foreshadowing, right, like it's ominous as fuck, 199 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:26.079 it's crazy. 200 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:27.759 But it's also maybe this. Oh I hope something happens. 201 00:08:27.759 --> 00:08:30.800 How it's exciting, right, like, there's no way this individual 202 00:08:30.879 --> 00:08:33.919 knew what was to happen, but it's still it's like 203 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:34.799 shivers up the spot. 204 00:08:34.879 --> 00:08:38.600 Yeah, that's that's like goosebumps right there. Bumps. Yeah. 205 00:08:38.759 --> 00:08:42.000 Okay, So February first, after you know, they're traveling for 206 00:08:42.000 --> 00:08:44.200 for a few days, they reach what is known as 207 00:08:44.399 --> 00:08:45.279 Dead Mountain. 208 00:08:45.799 --> 00:08:48.519 Okay, I'm already out, you're out. I'm out. 209 00:08:48.759 --> 00:08:50.240 A lot of people say that, I mean, who's going 210 00:08:50.320 --> 00:08:53.679 to travel to Dead Mountain? It's named Dead Mountain? Why? 211 00:08:54.279 --> 00:08:56.000 It's just like a mountain I don't need to be on, 212 00:08:56.399 --> 00:08:57.120 but I'll. 213 00:08:56.919 --> 00:08:59.080 Tell you why. It's named Dead Mountain. A lot of 214 00:08:59.080 --> 00:09:01.360 people actually don't realize this. They go, why are you 215 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:03.600 going to travel dead mountain? You know, that's creepy, it's scary, 216 00:09:03.720 --> 00:09:08.159 don't go there. Actually, the local Mancy tribe it it's 217 00:09:08.200 --> 00:09:12.159 translated into dead mountain, and their definition for it is 218 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:15.919 actually lack of game. So it's not that people are 219 00:09:16.000 --> 00:09:17.600 dying going up there there. 220 00:09:17.960 --> 00:09:19.000 It's just nothing there. 221 00:09:19.080 --> 00:09:20.360 Yeah, it's just a barren mountain. 222 00:09:20.399 --> 00:09:22.519 There's no game, animals, no hunting, no. 223 00:09:22.840 --> 00:09:25.399 Yeah, so it's just don't bother that. It's it's the 224 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:26.720 dead mountain. It's like a dead tree. 225 00:09:26.799 --> 00:09:28.320 Yeah, but give it a couple of years, it's probably 226 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:30.440 flourishing and they should definitely be hunting up there. 227 00:09:31.159 --> 00:09:33.200 I mean, if there's plants, if there's animals, that sort 228 00:09:33.200 --> 00:09:35.559 of thing. But clearly they named a dead mountain for 229 00:09:35.559 --> 00:09:35.960 a reason. 230 00:09:36.240 --> 00:09:38.559 There's not now no one is ever going to go there. 231 00:09:38.679 --> 00:09:41.960 Oh, people go there after this incident. The mountain was 232 00:09:41.960 --> 00:09:43.759 closed for three years, but it did reopen and people 233 00:09:43.840 --> 00:09:44.200 go there. 234 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:46.559 Oh wow, okay, I'll put it on our list. 235 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:52.759 Right. So once once they left Uri for the Dead Mountain, 236 00:09:53.120 --> 00:09:55.639 Igor actually told Yuri that he would send a message 237 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:58.320 via telegram I once they returned from the mountain on 238 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:01.879 the twelfth, So I don't believe that Yuri was actually 239 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:03.960 in the last village they were at. He went back 240 00:10:03.960 --> 00:10:05.639 to a different one because they would return to that 241 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:09.240 last village and send the telegram to him that they arrived, right. 242 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:10.720 Okay, So he was the one they were going to 243 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:12.440 notify that they're safe. 244 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:14.000 They were going to tell you, like, you know what, 245 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:16.200 we're back and we're expected to arrive in the twelfth. 246 00:10:16.279 --> 00:10:20.080 Ye well, nothing, nothing happened. Yuri didn't hear from the 247 00:10:20.919 --> 00:10:24.000 twelfth came rolled around, you know, days of going by. 248 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:28.159 Nothing, nothing, nothing, silence, silence. 249 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:33.039 So of course you know they're getting worried. They're out 250 00:10:33.080 --> 00:10:37.279 in the mountain missing, and eventually on the twenty first 251 00:10:37.320 --> 00:10:40.559 of February. This is like they're supposed to return on. 252 00:10:40.480 --> 00:10:43.159 The twelfth till like nine days later. 253 00:10:43.320 --> 00:10:46.360 Yeah, well, to be fair, the twentieth, their family and 254 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:48.240 stuff was like, we need to get a search party 255 00:10:48.240 --> 00:10:50.759 out of there, out there, like they were insisting. And 256 00:10:50.759 --> 00:10:52.799 then finally on the twenty first, the search party. 257 00:10:52.559 --> 00:10:56.200 Was wely shit. I know that's a long period of time. 258 00:10:56.120 --> 00:10:58.000 It's a long ass period of time, but I mean, 259 00:10:58.039 --> 00:10:59.879 they finally got him out there, at least at least. 260 00:11:00.720 --> 00:11:02.279 Wow. I wonder what the stall was. 261 00:11:02.799 --> 00:11:05.320 I don't know, but on the twenty first it was launched, 262 00:11:05.559 --> 00:11:08.720 and on February twenty sixth, their camp was located a 263 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:11.639 few hundred meters from the peak of Dead Mountain, so. 264 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:13.840 It even Yeah, even locating their camp took a while, 265 00:11:13.840 --> 00:11:15.879 but I don't know. I guess it was it could 266 00:11:15.919 --> 00:11:17.120 have taken that long to hike up. 267 00:11:17.080 --> 00:11:20.200 There potentially, or or finding where they camped or anything, 268 00:11:20.200 --> 00:11:24.679 because they're I mean they left when when was left. 269 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:27.720 They left January twenty eighth on their hike, and they 270 00:11:27.759 --> 00:11:30.000 reached the peak by the first so it's a couple 271 00:11:30.039 --> 00:11:30.519 of days hike. 272 00:11:30.600 --> 00:11:32.559 Okay, What were they going to do up there for 273 00:11:32.600 --> 00:11:32.879 that long? 274 00:11:32.919 --> 00:11:36.120 I wonder, just camp enjoy the element to have fun hike. 275 00:11:36.759 --> 00:11:38.600 What did we do when we went to Mark Robson. 276 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.080 We hiked up there, we slept, we walked back down. 277 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.000 We did it wrong. We should have spent some time 278 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:44.320 up there. 279 00:11:44.360 --> 00:11:45.879 We should have. We should have, but I mean we 280 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:47.399 just up on a whim. Did it on the weekend. 281 00:11:47.440 --> 00:11:49.200 Right, These guys had a lot of time. 282 00:11:49.279 --> 00:11:50.679 They were planning to have fun up there. 283 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:51.639 Yeah, they did it right. 284 00:11:52.320 --> 00:11:54.840 So their camp was found few hundred meters from the peak, 285 00:11:55.360 --> 00:11:59.320 and the camp was found in shambles. Okay. They all 286 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:02.320 stayed in this one big canvas tent and it was 287 00:12:02.360 --> 00:12:03.879 kept like I mean, it's been up there a few days. 288 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:05.519 The weather's kind of knocked it around a bit, and 289 00:12:05.559 --> 00:12:08.840 everything right, that's fair. Inside of the tent was quite orderly. 290 00:12:09.159 --> 00:12:11.440 It was you know, organized, you know, nothing was strewn 291 00:12:11.480 --> 00:12:15.200 about or anything. However, from the inside of the tent 292 00:12:15.559 --> 00:12:18.399 it was slashed and cut with a knife, and they 293 00:12:18.519 --> 00:12:22.559 escaped out through these cuts with large enough people from 294 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:27.840 the inside, from the inside. What was inside the tent, well, 295 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.639 they were and they cut it, and they escaped from 296 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:34.559 something or someone. It could have been something or someone 297 00:12:34.559 --> 00:12:37.080 outside the tent, or someone or something inside the tent. 298 00:12:37.320 --> 00:12:39.559 Maybe it was each other. We don't know. All we 299 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:43.120 know is they cut the tent from the inside to escape. 300 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:45.759 I don't want to sleep in our tent anymore. That's scary. 301 00:12:47.039 --> 00:12:49.919 I mean, I'm pretty sure what what what would like 302 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.039 you just what would cause that? I don't know, But 303 00:12:52.080 --> 00:12:53.720 I'm pretty sure we're not going to just slash our 304 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:55.039 tent open. I really hope. 305 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.879 Yeah, I mean, I don't know. Did the zipper break. 306 00:12:59.399 --> 00:13:02.039 I don't know. All we know is that they slashed 307 00:13:02.080 --> 00:13:03.360 open the tent to escape. 308 00:13:04.639 --> 00:13:06.960 But everything's in order inside. 309 00:13:07.159 --> 00:13:11.000 Yes, So this this varies. I can't find an exact number. 310 00:13:11.159 --> 00:13:13.879 It was either nine or eight, but either nine or 311 00:13:13.919 --> 00:13:17.639 eight sets of footprints were found in the snow leading 312 00:13:17.679 --> 00:13:19.840 away from the tent, and there are nine hikers. 313 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:22.679 Getting the hell away from whatever, but bars there. 314 00:13:23.399 --> 00:13:24.960 This is the thing, because we live in a snowy area, 315 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:27.399 we go outside, we know what's footprints in. 316 00:13:27.399 --> 00:13:29.200 The snow look like, right, Yeah, totally. 317 00:13:29.200 --> 00:13:33.360 There's a difference between walking away and running away, huge 318 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:34.159 difference in the snow. 319 00:13:34.320 --> 00:13:36.320 You can tell if someone's running, the snow gets the 320 00:13:37.039 --> 00:13:38.879 footprint apart, right, Yeah. 321 00:13:38.840 --> 00:13:42.480 It's it's very obvious. These footprints were not in a rush. 322 00:13:42.559 --> 00:13:46.320 They were not running. They were walking in an orderly fashion. 323 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:48.159 See that doesn't make any sense. 324 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:48.679 It doesn't. 325 00:13:48.799 --> 00:13:51.480 You're cutting the inside of your tent, but then you're 326 00:13:51.480 --> 00:13:52.639 just walking away. 327 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:56.879 That's right. Confused, Oh, this is a very confusing case. 328 00:13:56.879 --> 00:14:00.799 You're going to get more confused. So they're walking down 329 00:14:00.840 --> 00:14:03.679 the mountain to a nearby bush line, tree line. 330 00:14:03.919 --> 00:14:07.679 Maybe it was a game, a game, A game, I 331 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:11.879 don't know, a game, a game, but this doesn't make 332 00:14:11.919 --> 00:14:14.440 any sense. You're cutting your tent open and then you're 333 00:14:14.720 --> 00:14:15.840 leisurely walking away. 334 00:14:15.879 --> 00:14:17.960 But okay, we're I'm going to tell you this is 335 00:14:18.120 --> 00:14:20.519 no game, and I'm gonna tell you why because at 336 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:22.519 the tree line, which is about half and half a 337 00:14:22.559 --> 00:14:25.519 kilometer and a half away ish the distance varies in 338 00:14:25.600 --> 00:14:29.000 reports that I've read, but about a half a kilometer 339 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:31.840 and a half away. They found the tree at this 340 00:14:31.919 --> 00:14:33.879 large tree on the edge of the tree line with 341 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:37.759 a makeshift fire underneath, and the tree about fifteen meters 342 00:14:37.840 --> 00:14:40.399 up was kind of like it was obvious, like people 343 00:14:40.399 --> 00:14:43.320 were climbing it, broken branches, bark scraped off, that sort 344 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:43.559 of thing. 345 00:14:43.559 --> 00:14:47.240 About fifteen meters up, okay, and by ing from something 346 00:14:47.279 --> 00:14:48.240 at that point there. 347 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:50.840 Potentially running up the tree potentially. But they found two 348 00:14:50.879 --> 00:14:54.919 bodies laying down as well, two frozen bodies. And now 349 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.360 these individuals, these bodies that they found, I'm going to 350 00:14:57.399 --> 00:14:59.320 try and pronounce these names as best as I can. 351 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.120 I'm sorry for butchering them because I know I'm going to. 352 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:06.360 But it was the bodies of Yuri Krivishenko, and Uri Doroshenko, 353 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:11.320 which were two of the hikers. Okay, now these two 354 00:15:11.519 --> 00:15:15.320 succumb to what's in the autopsy report is hypothermia, so 355 00:15:15.360 --> 00:15:16.720 they perish from that. 356 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:20.240 That seems like a thing that would happen. Well, I mean, 357 00:15:20.279 --> 00:15:23.120 you're a forensic from getting the bodies though hey have 358 00:15:23.159 --> 00:15:25.759 being frozen. That'd be helpful for this investigation. 359 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:28.279 I feel like one hundred percent. I've got the autopsies here, 360 00:15:28.879 --> 00:15:31.320 and they estimate that it was about minus thirty degrees 361 00:15:31.360 --> 00:15:34.879 celsius that night, which was approximately minus twenty twenty two 362 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.240 degrees fahrenheit, so about that range for everyone. So that's 363 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:42.000 what they estimated. So Yuri Krivishenko, the autopsy shows he 364 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.559 had bruises on his forehead and temporal bone. He frost 365 00:15:45.639 --> 00:15:47.600 bitten ears, and the tip of his nose was missing. 366 00:15:47.639 --> 00:15:50.360 You know, it's very frost bite sort of stuff, right, 367 00:15:50.559 --> 00:15:50.879 not that. 368 00:15:52.440 --> 00:15:53.960 Did you say that he had bruising though? 369 00:15:54.000 --> 00:15:56.600 Was that for well, the bruising, No, that's not frost bite. Yeah, 370 00:15:56.679 --> 00:15:58.720 that's the strama. I'm just saying the tip of his 371 00:15:58.799 --> 00:16:01.840 nose part like, it's very frost Okay. He had bruises 372 00:16:01.840 --> 00:16:05.360 on the right side of his chest, thigh, and left butt, 373 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:09.960 bruises and abrasions on his hands, burns on his leg 374 00:16:10.879 --> 00:16:13.840 and get this, skin from his hand from the back 375 00:16:13.879 --> 00:16:17.799 of his hand was found between his teeth. 376 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:21.879 On the back of his hand, in his teeth. Yes, 377 00:16:22.799 --> 00:16:26.519 he was like biting, like almost like uncomfortable, maybe OCD 378 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:27.639 kind of who knows. 379 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:30.080 Some people say it was a sign of struggle that 380 00:16:30.120 --> 00:16:32.039 he was the one climbing the tree hence like you know, 381 00:16:32.080 --> 00:16:36.080 it's messed up hands and he could have been like 382 00:16:36.240 --> 00:16:38.960 trying to stay up that tree away from something or someone. 383 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:41.279 That doesn't make a sense of why it would be 384 00:16:41.279 --> 00:16:42.559 in his mouth though his hands. 385 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:44.879 Maybe he was biting on something, like just trying as 386 00:16:44.919 --> 00:16:45.600 hard as he could. 387 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:47.879 And he just oh to keep quiet or something. 388 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:53.080 Maybe maybe or he was just in that like desperate 389 00:16:53.080 --> 00:16:54.639 to get wood off the tree for the fire, and 390 00:16:54.679 --> 00:16:56.679 he's biting his hand, don't I don't know. 391 00:16:56.679 --> 00:16:59.840 It doesn't frustration. It could be frustration to theory. 392 00:16:59.639 --> 00:17:02.679 Doesn't make sense to me, but the fact remains. Skin 393 00:17:02.799 --> 00:17:04.920 from the back of his hand was found between his teeth. 394 00:17:05.200 --> 00:17:05.880 Nikes. 395 00:17:07.079 --> 00:17:11.759 So the guy he was next to, Yuri Doorshenko, his 396 00:17:11.839 --> 00:17:13.400 hair was burned off on the left side of his 397 00:17:13.400 --> 00:17:15.359 head so we have burns on both these guys. 398 00:17:15.559 --> 00:17:15.839 Okay. 399 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:18.799 His face was covered in like minor amounts of blood, 400 00:17:18.839 --> 00:17:22.000 like his nose, lips, and ears. He had abrasions on 401 00:17:22.039 --> 00:17:25.200