1 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:19,839 Speaker 1: Hi, and welcome to the NBA Podcast. My name is 2 00:00:19,879 --> 00:00:24,640 Morten Jensen, and today we'll be discussing the upcoming NBA Draft, 3 00:00:24,679 --> 00:00:30,079 which every single year it takes me aback how close 4 00:00:30,519 --> 00:00:33,520 we are in between, like the conclusion of the finals 5 00:00:33,520 --> 00:00:36,000 and the start of the draft. Whenever the finals wrap up, 6 00:00:36,039 --> 00:00:37,600 I think, oh, I have a good week to just 7 00:00:37,719 --> 00:00:41,240 kick back and relax. But guess what, No, the NBA 8 00:00:41,359 --> 00:00:45,640 season is not over, folks. You have to go immediately 9 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:49,560 from finals coverage to draft coverage, and after draft coverage, 10 00:00:50,079 --> 00:00:53,799 free agency is slooming. So this is our time to shine. 11 00:00:53,840 --> 00:00:57,000 And when I say our, it's obviously because I have 12 00:00:57,280 --> 00:01:00,439 the always great and fantastic Brian supporigon the Graham. He 13 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:04,239 and I have always taken extra joy out of covering 14 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:06,760 the off season. So Brian, how are you doing, first 15 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:08,920 and foremost and are you looking forward to the off season? 16 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,120 Speaker 2: I am doing well, Thank you for having me as 17 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:17,040 always definitely looking forward to the off season. Already got 18 00:01:17,280 --> 00:01:20,159 some some fun things planned that I actually need to 19 00:01:20,159 --> 00:01:23,319 pitch you on something, and we are not recording because 20 00:01:23,439 --> 00:01:26,799 I have I have some fun ideas for this off season, 21 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:31,439 in particular that we'll be cooking up all over the interwebs. 22 00:01:31,879 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 1: All right, you're not getting So if one of the 23 00:01:34,239 --> 00:01:36,719 ideas is to turn me into an actual general manager, 24 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:37,840 I'm all yours. 25 00:01:39,760 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 2: Do you want to be the number three in Philly? 26 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:44,519 You can? You can add your opinion to the Hydra 27 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:45,239 front office. 28 00:01:46,719 --> 00:01:50,680 Speaker 1: Sure, or alternatively, I'd just like to run the Sacramento Kings. 29 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:55,480 Speaker 2: Sure. Yeah, I mean you couldn't couldn't do much of 30 00:01:55,079 --> 00:01:57,879 the bar is so low to clear there, right, I 31 00:01:57,920 --> 00:02:00,599 think you could finally prove that blogger is in fact 32 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:02,560 could be NBA GMS. 33 00:02:02,719 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: I look if if if we're ground a DVA is 34 00:02:06,200 --> 00:02:10,759 listening in, brother, I'm right here, man, just just make 35 00:02:10,800 --> 00:02:13,120 sure I can actually fly into the country and Trump 36 00:02:13,199 --> 00:02:17,199 not deport me. That's that's probably that is. 37 00:02:17,560 --> 00:02:19,960 Speaker 2: Are you Iranian? I guess this is the first question. 38 00:02:22,479 --> 00:02:24,759 Oh God would not like your odds if you were 39 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:27,000 no otherwise I think I think you might be. 40 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:31,599 Speaker 1: Okay, Oh, here's hoping. So, Brian, we are going to 41 00:02:31,639 --> 00:02:34,280 talk about the top of the draft here in the 42 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:37,599 first segment, and then we're going to pivot into Utah specifically, 43 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:40,400 so like we are going to talk about players first, 44 00:02:40,439 --> 00:02:43,360 and then the second segment it's going to be Utah specific. 45 00:02:43,719 --> 00:02:45,759 We are going to keep it the top prospects because 46 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:47,840 as you told me before we record, and by the way, 47 00:02:47,879 --> 00:02:51,080 I know this, you are not someone who spends the 48 00:02:51,199 --> 00:02:54,680 entire season going deep into the weeds of like the 49 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:57,280 the late stages of the first round or the second round. 50 00:02:57,319 --> 00:03:00,319 Like you're aware of who's around, but it's not something 51 00:03:00,360 --> 00:03:04,120 you've like sunk your teeth into, and obviously that is 52 00:03:04,199 --> 00:03:06,960 to be respected. So we are going to stick to 53 00:03:07,000 --> 00:03:11,560 like the top four or five guys. I presume, great. 54 00:03:11,719 --> 00:03:15,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean, I there's only so much time 55 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:19,199 in the day and catching up on all the NBA 56 00:03:19,599 --> 00:03:22,800 plus two small children. I will leave it to the 57 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:26,599 Sam Vesinis of the world to tell me everything that 58 00:03:26,639 --> 00:03:30,599 I need to know about whichever prospects are falling down 59 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:33,960 the board and why. So yeah, I mean I'm familiar, 60 00:03:34,120 --> 00:03:37,240 like obviously very familiar with the top few guys. Seems 61 00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,919 like there is a clear top three, then a clear 62 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,479 top four, then the next tier after that seems a 63 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:48,039 little jumbled, and then you know, kind of a crapshoot, 64 00:03:48,159 --> 00:03:51,039 which you know that might be worth a segment of 65 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,840 its own, just how the draft has changed with nil 66 00:03:54,039 --> 00:04:00,360 because we you know, this draft like it's very very 67 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:02,800 I want to say, top heavy, but the top couple 68 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:07,000 guys are all, you know, really really strong prospects. We 69 00:04:07,120 --> 00:04:09,680 just had at a Bleacher Report the other day, we 70 00:04:09,719 --> 00:04:13,120 had Jonathan Wasserman, who was a longtime friend of the show. Here, yeah, 71 00:04:13,719 --> 00:04:16,680 rank the top twenty five prospects from the past decade. 72 00:04:16,920 --> 00:04:22,759 So basically, like how do DEBANSA, Peterson, Cambooser compare to Wemby, Cooper, 73 00:04:22,759 --> 00:04:26,560 flag Luka, Doncic et cetera, et cetera. All three guys 74 00:04:26,560 --> 00:04:29,759 were in the top ten of the past second So 75 00:04:29,879 --> 00:04:32,680 like that should provide some context as like how good 76 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:35,160 the top of this class is. But then you start 77 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,800 going down the board and like Vassini, I think it 78 00:04:37,839 --> 00:04:41,240 is latest mock draft said, you know, GMS only have 79 00:04:41,279 --> 00:04:43,120 a first round grade on like twenty to twenty five 80 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,800 guys because so many players went back but due to 81 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:50,800 nil like this was a you know, I forget what 82 00:04:50,879 --> 00:04:53,040 the exact number was. I think in twenty twenty one 83 00:04:53,079 --> 00:04:57,639 it was like three hundred and fifty three early entrant 84 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,279 candidates initially, and then two hundred sums stayed in. This year, 85 00:05:01,319 --> 00:05:05,959 I believe it was seventy one. Initially thirty five stayed in. 86 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:08,519 I think something along those lines. 87 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,519 Speaker 1: It was ridiculous, just it was utterly ridiculous how few 88 00:05:13,160 --> 00:05:16,319 like stayed in. I actually told quite a few Danish 89 00:05:16,399 --> 00:05:19,800 prospects that this might be the year to throw their 90 00:05:19,879 --> 00:05:24,240 name in, just like off of volume. Some of them 91 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,279 had their agents basically say no, this is not a 92 00:05:27,319 --> 00:05:31,879 good idea and look fair. Listen to the agent for sure, 93 00:05:32,399 --> 00:05:36,120 But I maintain that this would have been a good year. 94 00:05:36,160 --> 00:05:37,199 So at least test the waters. 95 00:05:37,199 --> 00:05:40,319 Speaker 3: I'm not proposing they shouldn't necessarily have kept their name 96 00:05:40,360 --> 00:05:44,480 in the draft, but like test out the waters, talk 97 00:05:44,519 --> 00:05:47,439 to teams and then with goad before the deadline. 98 00:05:47,519 --> 00:05:51,199 Speaker 1: I just don't see any downside to that whatsoever, especially 99 00:05:51,199 --> 00:05:55,000 when they're this few players attached to the draft. So 100 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,560 if this becomes a situation again next year, I'm going 101 00:05:58,600 --> 00:06:01,319 to bang that drum for days players even harder for 102 00:06:01,480 --> 00:06:05,519 damn sure, just yeah, you have nothing to lose for 103 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:11,279 like five kids, I mean, just test it out so that. 104 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 2: I wonder, sorry, just like the this year's class was 105 00:06:16,519 --> 00:06:18,759 also supposed to be really strong, and the next two 106 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:22,439 classes supposedly are not going to be all that strong, 107 00:06:22,480 --> 00:06:25,600 So I would imagine that also factored into the declared 108 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,560 not declare or keep my name in the draft conversation, Like, 109 00:06:29,279 --> 00:06:31,759 you know, what's the guy Thomas haw from I don't 110 00:06:31,759 --> 00:06:33,759 know if that's how you say his last name from 111 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,879 Florida forward, Like was gonna supposed to be a late 112 00:06:37,959 --> 00:06:41,680 lottery pick this year? Maybe he sees next year's class 113 00:06:41,680 --> 00:06:44,639 and things like well I could potentially be a top five, 114 00:06:44,759 --> 00:06:47,439 top ten pick next year. Why not go back, get 115 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:50,279 paid five million dollars to be in college for another year, 116 00:06:50,319 --> 00:06:54,600 and then go pro. So yeah, I'm I'm more than 117 00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:57,759 like this specific class. I'm just fascinated by all of 118 00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:01,480 these dynamics that are kind of changing how teams have 119 00:07:01,560 --> 00:07:06,040 to operate. Like this plus the new draft lottery system, 120 00:07:06,199 --> 00:07:09,199 I think you know it's teams have a lot to 121 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:12,360 figure out on the fly right now. And whichever team's 122 00:07:12,519 --> 00:07:16,879 as usual, whichever teams do the best job of adjusting quickly, 123 00:07:17,079 --> 00:07:20,319 we'll have a major leg up over those that are like, no, 124 00:07:20,399 --> 00:07:23,279 we're not going to draft a twenty three year old senior. Well, 125 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:26,079 you know it's different than five years ago. These guys 126 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:28,000 are going back to school for a very different reason 127 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:29,800 than they were back then. 128 00:07:29,759 --> 00:07:34,439 Speaker 1: Yeah, totally agree. And you know, I'll just add on 129 00:07:34,519 --> 00:07:38,519 to that. I really enjoy the college players are getting 130 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:41,040 paid down because we just saw for so many years 131 00:07:41,040 --> 00:07:44,839 how they got squeezed and squeezed and squeezed. Then someone 132 00:07:44,839 --> 00:07:46,839 would end up in the NBA as like a late 133 00:07:46,879 --> 00:07:49,399 first round draft pick and flame out within the first 134 00:07:49,399 --> 00:07:53,120 couple of years never to return. So like for them 135 00:07:53,160 --> 00:07:58,839 to be able to cash in on their college experience, 136 00:07:59,399 --> 00:08:02,920 to me, such a great situation because even if it 137 00:08:02,959 --> 00:08:05,879 doesn't materialize for them at the NBA level, perhaps they 138 00:08:05,920 --> 00:08:10,360 could walk away from college, you know, having earned ten, fifteen, 139 00:08:10,439 --> 00:08:13,319 maybe twenty twenty million dollars like over the course of 140 00:08:13,319 --> 00:08:17,240 four or five years. Great. I think it's such a 141 00:08:17,240 --> 00:08:23,160 strong proponent for players now, which look, get your money man, 142 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,160 Yeah truly. And now we have to move on to 143 00:08:28,199 --> 00:08:32,720 the actual prospects here. So we're gonna discuss a g Debond's, 144 00:08:32,759 --> 00:08:36,080 a Darren Peterson, Cambus or Capables, and I really want 145 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:38,679 to get into Darius a cuff two. I know a 146 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:42,840 lot of guys are down on a cuff and I'm 147 00:08:42,879 --> 00:08:46,039 not sure I'm there, but like, let's let's start with Debonza. 148 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:50,600 To me, he's and I might just be wrong on this, 149 00:08:50,759 --> 00:08:53,000 Like Lord knows that both of us have been wrong 150 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,399 about draft stuff and free agency stuff before. I think 151 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,759 de Bonza is the number one guy because there is 152 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:06,320 this thing where his flour is super duper high. And 153 00:09:06,399 --> 00:09:09,120 while I can see that he doesn't have the ceiling 154 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:12,799 as Darren Peterson, like the optimized version of Darren Peterson, 155 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,000 I just think he's I think he's undervalued in terms 156 00:09:17,039 --> 00:09:20,159 of his ceiling. I think his flour is so high 157 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,759 that you just can't miss with him. Like he just 158 00:09:23,399 --> 00:09:28,279 at absolute worst, and I do mean utterly worst. He's 159 00:09:28,519 --> 00:09:30,840 like a better version of Loue all Dang, and lou 160 00:09:30,879 --> 00:09:32,840 all Dang was like what a two time All Star 161 00:09:33,039 --> 00:09:37,000 and a really good player, and like, if you get 162 00:09:37,039 --> 00:09:39,440 the worst thing you can get from him is like 163 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:44,919 a better version than that, that's not a bad thing whatsoever. 164 00:09:45,320 --> 00:09:48,200 And like I do think that there's legitimate star upside here. 165 00:09:48,759 --> 00:09:53,759 I do think there's like higher star superstar upside in Peterson. 166 00:09:54,919 --> 00:09:59,679 But you're the Washington Wizards. You're really trying to get 167 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,000 this thing off the ground after you're traded for Trey 168 00:10:02,120 --> 00:10:05,799 and Ad, like you want someone who you know can 169 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:09,559 come in and produce. Because the floor for Peterson, on 170 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:14,360 the other hand, is lower, like significantly lower than de Bonsa. 171 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:17,120 Like it feels like Peterson, more so than ever, is 172 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,759 just the swing because you don't know about the body. 173 00:10:19,879 --> 00:10:22,399 Do you heard all the creatin and stuff like, okay, 174 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,320 fair enough. I don't know how much to put into that. 175 00:10:24,799 --> 00:10:27,240 He was being put in a weird role at Kansas 176 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,159 where he played more off ball than on ball. Why 177 00:10:30,360 --> 00:10:32,799 was that what happened? He asked out of games because 178 00:10:32,799 --> 00:10:35,919 of the cramps. Like everything is just filled with a 179 00:10:35,919 --> 00:10:39,679 bunch of question marks. And perhaps it's nothing. And if 180 00:10:39,679 --> 00:10:44,679 we knew right now this day then like June nineteenth, 181 00:10:44,759 --> 00:10:47,480 that it was nothing, I would go Peterson over Dubonsa. 182 00:10:47,799 --> 00:10:50,200 But since we don't know, sir, I'm going to Bonce 183 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:53,960 over Peterson safe, like just for safety purposes. 184 00:10:55,399 --> 00:10:58,519 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that seems reasonable, and that seems like 185 00:10:58,720 --> 00:11:01,879 the most like the outcome I checked last night, and 186 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,240 I think the Bansa was like minus five hundred to 187 00:11:05,279 --> 00:11:09,639 go number one overall. Obviously, we got the chicanery going 188 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:14,679 on with Darren Peterson visiting Washington but refusing to visit Utah. 189 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:17,679 Based on our reports, that's not going to affect anything 190 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:20,679 that either one of these teams do. Ace Bailey did 191 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,159 not visit Utah last year and they still picked him. 192 00:11:23,279 --> 00:11:26,879 So if if, if the Wizards do go to vance 193 00:11:27,000 --> 00:11:29,879 number one, I think it's safe to say, like Peterson 194 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:32,000 not visiting the Jazz at two will not dissuade them 195 00:11:32,039 --> 00:11:36,320 from picking him, right. I mean, it's just interesting, like 196 00:11:37,600 --> 00:11:41,000 the Wizards and the Jazz, frankly, are both kind of 197 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:45,039 in this spot where they were already going to take 198 00:11:45,120 --> 00:11:47,879 this massive step forward based on what they did at 199 00:11:47,879 --> 00:11:51,320 the trade deadline, like they intentionally punted off last season, 200 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:55,440 But they're the teams more than any other teams. I 201 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,080 would say those two are like the most reflective of 202 00:11:59,720 --> 00:12:02,360 what Adam Silver was talking about as he was raging 203 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,480 about tanking this year and saying, like, you know, so 204 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,480 many teams are throwing away the season. We don't know 205 00:12:07,519 --> 00:12:10,639 who the actually bad teams are, Like the Wizards in 206 00:12:10,679 --> 00:12:14,320 the Jazz, their records do not reflect the amount of 207 00:12:14,320 --> 00:12:18,799 talent on those two respective rosters. Assuming that the Wizards 208 00:12:18,799 --> 00:12:22,080 re sign Trey Young, right, and that the Jazz resigned 209 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:25,360 Walker Kessler, like I think both would have been in 210 00:12:25,399 --> 00:12:27,559 the conversation to at least be in the play in 211 00:12:27,639 --> 00:12:31,000 tournament this year, if not the playoffs, regardless of how 212 00:12:31,039 --> 00:12:34,600 the lottery played out. Now you're adding these face of 213 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:38,240 the franchise caliber prospects to their cores, and all of 214 00:12:38,279 --> 00:12:41,919 a sudden, it's like, damn, the Wizards could go from Yeah, 215 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:44,240 I guess both of the Jazz finished above twenty. Like 216 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:46,919 both of these teams could go, you know, from roughly 217 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:50,480 twenty win seasons to like forty or fifty wins this year. 218 00:12:51,240 --> 00:12:54,240 And now they especially don't have incentive to tank because 219 00:12:54,240 --> 00:12:57,039 of the new lottery system and the relegation zone and 220 00:12:57,039 --> 00:13:00,519 all that. So you know, I think they're going to 221 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:03,000 be kind of on parallel tracks. They're going to kind 222 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:05,720 of mirror each other in that regard where you know, 223 00:13:05,759 --> 00:13:08,080 these teams are going to go from top three of 224 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,600 the lottery, top two of the lottery to like good 225 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:17,240 pretty quickly. And yeah, I mean, I think when you're 226 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,639 choosing between three guys, all of whom have kind of 227 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:25,559 face of the franchise potential, you know, with the risk 228 00:13:25,759 --> 00:13:28,960 of Peterson with the cramping and all that, unless your 229 00:13:29,000 --> 00:13:33,519 medical staff is one hundred percent certain that this will 230 00:13:33,519 --> 00:13:36,559 not be an issue in the NBA. I do understand 231 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:39,279 why that would be a potential tiebreaker, and I don't 232 00:13:39,279 --> 00:13:42,519 think it's unreasonable for, you know that to give the 233 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:47,200 Wizards some pause, because really, any of those three guys 234 00:13:47,399 --> 00:13:50,399 could be a fit with you know, between A D 235 00:13:50,799 --> 00:13:53,879 and Trey for however long those guys are in Washington. 236 00:13:53,919 --> 00:13:57,879 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, absolutely, I mean Washington. I do think there 237 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,039 is some bonus on them to get right because they 238 00:14:01,080 --> 00:14:04,279 have the number one pick, obviously, but they do have 239 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:08,600 that luxury that whoever they pick among those three will 240 00:14:08,639 --> 00:14:13,440 actually work to a certain capacity. And obviously we're going 241 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,879 to get into Utah later. But it's that's the position 242 00:14:15,919 --> 00:14:18,960 I enjoy the most, like just because whoever drops the 243 00:14:19,039 --> 00:14:23,480 two for Utah, it's just like great, Like I know, 244 00:14:23,679 --> 00:14:25,360 I know that we're going to get into it. But like, 245 00:14:25,639 --> 00:14:28,639 to me, if I was taking that approach, is debonsa 246 00:14:28,759 --> 00:14:31,799 taking number like or sorry, is Peterson taking number one? 247 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:36,039 And I get de Bonds at too? Great? Reverse also great, 248 00:14:36,279 --> 00:14:40,240 Like I just I just don't see a downside being 249 00:14:40,399 --> 00:14:43,039 at number two here. So let's get into Peterson a 250 00:14:43,039 --> 00:14:46,120 little bit. People people think that I've been a little 251 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,240 bit harsh on him because I don't have him as 252 00:14:48,279 --> 00:14:51,919 my number one, like automatic number one, and I get it. 253 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,320 I want to say this right off the bat, I 254 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:57,919 totally get that. I think when people criticize me for 255 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:01,440 having the opinion that I have, I fully embrace it 256 00:15:01,440 --> 00:15:05,120 because I get it. When we saw him in high 257 00:15:05,159 --> 00:15:07,679 school and we saw the way that I think he 258 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,360 put up fifty eight on Dubonsa in a high school 259 00:15:10,399 --> 00:15:13,440 game like eighteen months ago or something along those lines, 260 00:15:14,519 --> 00:15:19,519 Like the talent level is insane, utterly insane, Like this 261 00:15:19,600 --> 00:15:22,279 is a guy who you could envision, you know, going 262 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:25,120 toe to toe with other superstars in the late stages 263 00:15:25,159 --> 00:15:27,919 of a Game seven in the NBA Finals, just drilling shots, 264 00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:32,240 drilling shots, keep making place, like he does have this 265 00:15:32,799 --> 00:15:37,679 high end superstar potential, like where he's a genuine Tier 266 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:43,080 one superstar. And that's It's also why I understand and 267 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:47,720 fully accept if other like draft people are just fans 268 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,960 are saying you got to go for that at one 269 00:15:50,120 --> 00:15:53,480 if you're Washington and look if the Wizards take that approach, 270 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:59,080 Hell yeah, swing baby, swing. That's I totally get it. 271 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,679 It's because I like a seat belt and safety type 272 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,639 of guy, because like, if let's say debonsa becomes like 273 00:16:05,639 --> 00:16:07,480 a seven time All Star. He doesn't become like the 274 00:16:07,559 --> 00:16:10,840 Tier one superstar, but he becomes like a you know, 275 00:16:10,919 --> 00:16:14,759 a secondary star on a championship level team. And let's 276 00:16:14,799 --> 00:16:19,159 say Peterson just consistently finds himself near his own floor 277 00:16:19,759 --> 00:16:24,360 and never becomes that dude that would haunt me for years. 278 00:16:24,919 --> 00:16:29,840 But at the same time, I fully appreciate the ridiculousness 279 00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:33,840 of his upside because the way that he facilitates his 280 00:16:33,879 --> 00:16:38,879 own shot creation abilities, Like I don't think there is 281 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:43,720 anyone this draft class who has that combination of size 282 00:16:43,759 --> 00:16:48,360 and shot creation ability, like six six and shoes can 283 00:16:48,519 --> 00:16:51,759 just whenever he wants get to his bot. We didn't 284 00:16:51,759 --> 00:16:53,480 see it a whole lot in Kansas because he was 285 00:16:53,519 --> 00:16:57,639 given an odd role, yet somehow just walked into twenty 286 00:16:57,679 --> 00:17:00,639 points per game in very a limited amount of minutes. 287 00:17:01,200 --> 00:17:03,679 Like this dude, and I hate to sound like the 288 00:17:03,759 --> 00:17:08,799 kids here, he's a bucket and he's he is a bucket. 289 00:17:09,200 --> 00:17:14,720 The one thing, Brian, the one thing where I'm just 290 00:17:15,160 --> 00:17:18,720 still a little bit skeptical of him. And it's also like, 291 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:21,119 if this wasn't something he'd showcased in college, I would 292 00:17:21,119 --> 00:17:26,960 have put him at one immediately the playmaking, Like everyone 293 00:17:27,279 --> 00:17:30,920 who we trust say that, oh, he's got the playmaking capabilities, 294 00:17:30,960 --> 00:17:33,680 and why should I not trust the same Vassinis and 295 00:17:33,720 --> 00:17:36,119 the rick Y O'donnald's of the world, because obviously the 296 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:41,599 same the washerman's. But at the same time, he just 297 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:44,559 didn't show it. Like I understand, playing off ball doesn't mean, 298 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:46,319 you know, you generate a lot of assists and you 299 00:17:46,359 --> 00:17:48,559 don't get to really pass the ball at a whole time. 300 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:53,119 But can we really extract playmaking from the high school 301 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:57,039 level and expect that to hit like translate to the NPA, 302 00:17:57,640 --> 00:18:01,920 Like maybe we can, but it's still to me an 303 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:06,960 unknown talent level at this point at this stage, Like 304 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,039 if he comes into the NBA and averages five or 305 00:18:09,079 --> 00:18:11,279 six assist game right off the bat, I'll shut the 306 00:18:11,279 --> 00:18:12,920 hell up. But we just don't know. 307 00:18:15,000 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean again, it's like you're picking such 308 00:18:21,359 --> 00:18:25,240 tiny knits at this point when you're really deciding between 309 00:18:25,279 --> 00:18:28,279 all three of them that you know, especially this high 310 00:18:28,319 --> 00:18:33,039 in the draft, you don't typically want to take team 311 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:36,079 fit into account, and I think that would be especially 312 00:18:36,079 --> 00:18:40,039 important when we get into the Utah discussion. But you know, 313 00:18:40,079 --> 00:18:43,680 if you think Cam Booser is a better prospect than 314 00:18:44,079 --> 00:18:46,799 the Banser Peterson, like you should be the number one pick. 315 00:18:46,839 --> 00:18:48,559 And I know there are some people who feel that. 316 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,480 I believe Ricky O'Donnell of Espianation has been saying he 317 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:53,160 Cam Booser is the number one. 318 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,079 Speaker 1: You know what Ricky said, I'm not sorry to dump. 319 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:58,880 And this is really important because Ricky said that he 320 00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:03,839 actually his comp for Boozer Larry bird. 321 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: Man. I want to say, I'm gonna double check this 322 00:19:08,799 --> 00:19:11,680 because I don't want to throw Wasss under the bus. Yeah, 323 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:17,359 but I believe he had Boozer over Peterson and Debansa 324 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:22,400 on his let me double check. Yeah, a lot of 325 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:28,240 these he had. He has of the top twenty five 326 00:19:28,279 --> 00:19:30,920 prospects in the past ten years. So starting in twenty 327 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,359 seventeen with the Mark hel fALS draft yep Wemby number 328 00:19:34,400 --> 00:19:39,079 one obviously, yeah, Cooper flag number two makes sense, Zion 329 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:46,599 number three, Cade number four, oh, Cam, Boozer five, Lucas six, 330 00:19:47,599 --> 00:19:51,559 Peterson seven, and then Debansa eight. 331 00:19:52,119 --> 00:19:54,799 Speaker 1: Oh my god, So all of them in the top eight. 332 00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:55,759 That's ridiculous. 333 00:19:56,039 --> 00:19:59,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, but he has yeah, Boozer as the number one 334 00:20:00,039 --> 00:20:02,960 in his eyes, and yes, above Luca. 335 00:20:03,559 --> 00:20:05,319 Speaker 1: And by the way, when I say ridiculous, I don't 336 00:20:05,319 --> 00:20:08,119 mean that negatively, is what I say. That's that's ridiculous 337 00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:12,920 high right above. Luca is wild to me. But I 338 00:20:13,039 --> 00:20:16,279 understand because he, like again, he was not draft with 339 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:19,799 number one, Like teams were skeptical of him coming into 340 00:20:19,839 --> 00:20:24,359 the draft, which was ridiculous, but like there were certain 341 00:20:24,400 --> 00:20:28,160 things that they saw, like, oh, is he athletic enough? 342 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,240 I get that, Like Boozer is a thinker and you 343 00:20:31,319 --> 00:20:34,480 know me, we've we've podcasted for over ten years now, 344 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Like you know that. I always trust guys who think 345 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,079 to hit their threshold much more than guys who are 346 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:46,119 just athletic. And my skepticism with Boozer isn't regarding his thinking. 347 00:20:46,279 --> 00:20:48,519 His thinking is why I think he's going to be, 348 00:20:49,799 --> 00:20:53,640 you know, at lowest, a secondary star on a team. 349 00:20:54,680 --> 00:21:00,440 But where I struggle to see this translating is everything 350 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:05,720 about him screams one position player, like just a powerful 351 00:21:05,880 --> 00:21:07,599 not just but you know what I mean, Like he's 352 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,319 a power forward and he's he's not a center, he's 353 00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:15,440 not a wing. You know, he he's very Julius randall 354 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,920 E in that regard randall you can't really no, no, 355 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,279 But like he can't. You can't slide Randall up to 356 00:21:21,319 --> 00:21:24,720 the five when he does, like defensively, you just struggle. 357 00:21:24,720 --> 00:21:27,599 You can't slide them down to three because he gets 358 00:21:27,599 --> 00:21:32,160 burned defensively. But I will say this, if you somehow 359 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:35,079 can accommodate Boozer in this regard and you can just 360 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:37,319 play him at that four and you can pair him 361 00:21:37,359 --> 00:21:42,920 with the right types of you know, teammates around him. 362 00:21:43,079 --> 00:21:46,400 Hell yeah. Like I have him third, and I think 363 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,680 that's a good spot because I don't think he is 364 00:21:48,720 --> 00:21:51,119 the tier one guy we all think. I think he's 365 00:21:51,160 --> 00:21:53,720 going to be a tier two guy, like a secondary 366 00:21:53,759 --> 00:21:57,359 star on a good team, and at three that's a win. 367 00:21:57,799 --> 00:22:02,079 Getting that at three is a damn good haul. But 368 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,720 I just his his playmaking is good. I don't know 369 00:22:05,759 --> 00:22:09,200 if it's great. Like if you are a big like 370 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:14,440 a big position player, a big man, and your playmaking 371 00:22:14,519 --> 00:22:18,440 is what allegedly sets you apart. I feel if you're 372 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:20,759 going to be drafting number one, you better be closer 373 00:22:20,799 --> 00:22:23,200 to what you call a YO kitchen that regard than 374 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:27,319 to Randall, for example, And I think right now Booster's 375 00:22:27,359 --> 00:22:30,319 playmaking is closer to that of Randall than Yokich, Like 376 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,640 both are good for a big man. Don't get me wrong, 377 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,839 that's not a criticism, But I just don't see where 378 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:40,880 he separates himself as you know, a guy who will 379 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:45,200 become like a seer one player. Is it the shot creation? 380 00:22:45,759 --> 00:22:47,519 Is it the fact that he's so young and so 381 00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:49,720 productive as he was a dude, because let's be real, 382 00:22:49,759 --> 00:22:52,480 he's not even nineteen yet, and I don't think he 383 00:22:52,519 --> 00:22:55,279 will be nineteen until after the draft. 384 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:57,359 Speaker 2: H It's like mid July, isn't it. 385 00:22:57,559 --> 00:23:00,279 Speaker 1: I think so, like after the draft, and like he 386 00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,039 was averaging twenty two and a half ten boards forces 387 00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,480 Like I get it, Like he was the best player 388 00:23:05,519 --> 00:23:08,960 in college basketball, I would argue, So I totally get 389 00:23:09,279 --> 00:23:12,920 the fascination. I just wonder does he have this secondary 390 00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:17,680 leap at an NBA level where everything is bigger, stronger, quicker, 391 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:23,039 Like I just think three is more of a fitting 392 00:23:24,039 --> 00:23:27,880 spot for him than one, at least like two. Okay, 393 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,759 we can have a discussion, but I just don't see 394 00:23:30,759 --> 00:23:35,799 this the Tier one superstar upside? Am I being harsh, sir? 395 00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:41,519 Speaker 2: I mean that seems to be the consensus, Like it 396 00:23:41,799 --> 00:23:45,480 it seems like most people have boozer penciled into the 397 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,799 Grizzlies at three. But then all of the analysis about 398 00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:51,680 that is that Grizzlies should be thrilled if this is 399 00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:53,759 how the board plays out, because he could be the 400 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:57,000 perfect guy to kind of anchor their rebuild. And also 401 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,319 him with Zach Edie would be a fascinat fit. But 402 00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:04,960 like you know, teams in the West especially are going 403 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:08,559 to basically have to start Wemby proofing their rosters and 404 00:24:08,680 --> 00:24:10,680 are going to just have to load up on size, 405 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:14,680 where we already are starting to see that with Utah, 406 00:24:14,839 --> 00:24:16,640 and we'll again, we'll get into them a little bit, 407 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:22,240 but I mean a boozer Edie front court. You know, 408 00:24:22,319 --> 00:24:26,279 you you no one's stopping Wemby, but at least having 409 00:24:26,839 --> 00:24:29,480 a lot of size to throw at him is like 410 00:24:30,039 --> 00:24:34,079 step one in how to conquer this massive seven foot 411 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:36,240 four problem. Who's going to be in the Western Conference 412 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:40,640 for hopefully a decade plus. Yeah, so, I yeah, I 413 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:45,160 think it. I would, Yes, I would expect Debansa and 414 00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,599 Peterson to go one and two in some order. Does 415 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,519 not really seem like boozers in the conversation for number one, 416 00:24:52,319 --> 00:24:55,599 And as much as the Jazz are posturing, you know, 417 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,279 I would imagine they just take whichever of Debansa or 418 00:24:58,319 --> 00:25:00,000 Peterson that the Wizards do not take. 419 00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: M Yeah, and that I'm glad you brought up the 420 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:13,079 Wenby proofing because you have the yeah, you have a 421 00:25:13,079 --> 00:25:16,400 potential solution, solution staring you in the face. But he 422 00:25:16,519 --> 00:25:21,039 just doesn't justify being like a top five pick your 423 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:29,319 dam Mara, Yeah, from Michigan seven four two sixty, And 424 00:25:29,480 --> 00:25:33,759 like we've seen him jump off draft boards. And I 425 00:25:33,759 --> 00:25:36,599 don't think it's entirely just the Wemby proofing, Like I 426 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,880 just think it's also a part of like the NBA 427 00:25:39,559 --> 00:25:43,240 leaning into jumpo bigs again, and like you just you 428 00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,880 just don't get the same impact with guys who are 429 00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:49,240 like six ten. And I don't mean to be harsh 430 00:25:49,319 --> 00:25:52,039 on this, Like Pistons fans will probably come at me. 431 00:25:52,799 --> 00:25:56,440 We saw what a six' tenth center in the, playoffs 432 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,599 like how he could be, effective like if Affected Jalen 433 00:26:00,680 --> 00:26:05,839 duran like almost had his scoring in the. Playoffs, yeah 434 00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:08,440 he was, Newter let's just be. Real he was absolutely 435 00:26:08,519 --> 00:26:09,119 new in the. 436 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:14,039 Speaker 4: Playoffs and that big part of that, was you, know 437 00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:18,640 the size and the physicality he like obviously he's super, physical, 438 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,839 presence but he is only six, Ten like six' ten just. 439 00:26:22,839 --> 00:26:25,319 Speaker 1: Doesn't get the job done as a starting. Center Anymore 440 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:29,680 like mara, AT seven i was even. Underselling him he's 441 00:26:29,640 --> 00:26:32,880 sixty four in a quarter and that's, without shoes like. 442 00:26:33,200 --> 00:26:36,079 IN shoes i, oh, no sorry that's actually, with shoes 443 00:26:36,079 --> 00:26:39,359 because without shoes, seven three there. We go but seven 444 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,640 seven to four and a quarter, with shoes two hundred and, 445 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:45,759 sixty pounds, can pass can, block shots can score into 446 00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:49,400 the rim. Like that tide of dude is just so 447 00:26:49,559 --> 00:26:52,920 much more difficult to put a, lid on like even 448 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:57,519 in a, playoff context like the sheer physicality near like 449 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,519 defensively of just having to go buy a guy was 450 00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:03,880 that big of a? Human being like, good luck good. 451 00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:06,640 FREAKING luck i guess that is not an. Easy. 452 00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:11,359 Speaker 2: Task yeah i've also seen a lot of speculation About 453 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,240 whether Oka, see yeah, YOU know i don't Know if 454 00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,079 mara is going to be there at, number twelve but 455 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:18,960 there's talk of them wanting to. Trade UP and i 456 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,279 know they Just Took thomas sorber last year and maybe 457 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,400 they're happy. With him but, you know we'll see what 458 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:28,559 Happens With isaiah hartenstein THIS summer i would imagine they're 459 00:27:28,559 --> 00:27:31,319 going to, keep him but, you know they are going 460 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,880 to have to start making some decisions to start, trimming 461 00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:38,680 payroll and he is one of the more expensive options 462 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,640 that they could trim. This OFFSEASON so i don't think 463 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,759 they want to go into next playoffs with a rookie 464 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,799 center and then effectively a rookie Center in sorber since 465 00:27:47,799 --> 00:27:51,960 he missed his. First SEASON but, i mean it would 466 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:53,319 be really interesting if he ended Up. 467 00:27:53,359 --> 00:27:55,319 Speaker 1: At, Okay see i'll say that much as long as 468 00:27:55,319 --> 00:28:02,400 they don't play like ship In The western. Conference finals, 469 00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:08,799 oh yeah Did he? You? KNOW so i this is the, 470 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:11,519 dumbest THING but i just have to. Share it, GROWING 471 00:28:11,599 --> 00:28:15,079 up I was, i was, you Know Watching cartoon network 472 00:28:15,079 --> 00:28:17,519 a fair bunch that meant a Lot Of scooby doo 473 00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:20,640 like and you saw all those guys or all those 474 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:26,079 characters get become afraid of like fake ghosts that like 475 00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:29,799 throughout that. Entire series whenever the camera would pan over 476 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,960 To Chet holm grom like literally just looking like, he'd seen, 477 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:37,759 you know. A ghost i was, just like this Dude 478 00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,799 Just scooby dude himself, so bad just there is there 479 00:28:41,880 --> 00:28:46,759 is no way this this dude at any point like, 480 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:49,400 has right like in, THE series i, should say in 481 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:53,000 that seven, game series will have the mental capacity of 482 00:28:53,039 --> 00:28:57,079 returning to norm like at all that that ship. Sailed 483 00:28:57,279 --> 00:29:00,920 immediately he was just come completely like. 484 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:03,559 Speaker 2: He. 485 00:29:03,759 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: Had nothing, AND like i hope so much that he 486 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:12,000 returns to form next year because as as one of 487 00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,759 my colleagues OVER At hbo, max said, he said this 488 00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:18,200 could be, Career defining like this could be something where 489 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:24,200 he's so mentally shell saw. Shell shocked that's a difficult word. 490 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:26,119 To say that this could affect him for the rest of, 491 00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:29,960 the career, his career AND like i get like the idea. 492 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:33,400 BEHIND it i hope he's WRONG because i want a fully, 493 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:38,359 you know optimized version Of chet holme. Firm man, that 494 00:29:38,559 --> 00:29:42,960 dude He just i've never seen someone that afraid ON 495 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,000 an mp, Court before. 496 00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: Like never it was. PRETTY wild i mean, He yeah 497 00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:53,880 wemby just so clearly had. His NUMBER and I MEAN 498 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:56,839 i i think he strikes me as the type that 499 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,720 we'll use this as motivation and we'll come back, or stronger, 500 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,359 you know. More aggressive they'll figure out ways to avoid. 501 00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:07,519 That situation but like the size is. The size wemby 502 00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:11,359 still has, you know a couple solid inches on him. 503 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:17,079 LIKE it i Would imagine wemby is just he's disorienting 504 00:30:17,119 --> 00:30:19,079 to play against her, any PLAYER but i would especially 505 00:30:19,079 --> 00:30:21,200 think like a big Man like jet who's just not 506 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,400 used to other guys making him. Feel, small yeah And 507 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,319 then wenby's just towering over him and, you know changing 508 00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:32,000 his shot volume in a way there really no other 509 00:30:32,079 --> 00:30:33,400 player IN the nba can, do. 510 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: RIGHT right i don't remember it's game seven or, game 511 00:30:38,599 --> 00:30:41,880 six like one of the game's. Latest games He blocked 512 00:30:41,920 --> 00:30:44,559 Chit like. CHICK was i think it was like a, 513 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,680 jump Shot like chick was getting into the pain and 514 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:49,119 trying to take a. Jump shot and when he got him, 515 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,920 on it and he just the look on his face was, 516 00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,559 so bedazzled like because at the same time it was 517 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:59,720 JUST like i never get contested on. These, Shots right 518 00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:04,400 he gains he. Gained separation he was even fading away a, 519 00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,559 little bit like that was a shot he had gone 520 00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,720 to since, high school probably before, high school that he 521 00:31:10,759 --> 00:31:12,839 could go to at. All times and there. We go 522 00:31:12,839 --> 00:31:16,839 there was That goddamn frenchman again just getting, a ball 523 00:31:17,039 --> 00:31:19,000 like getting a hand, on it and he was, JUST 524 00:31:19,039 --> 00:31:21,319 like i don't know what. To do he he, JUST 525 00:31:22,079 --> 00:31:24,200 like i don't know what. TO do i have, No 526 00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:27,079 IDEA so i think it's a good idea at least 527 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,799 for okay see to like shore up, their size which 528 00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:32,799 sounds ridiculous when they have like you just, pointed out 529 00:31:32,839 --> 00:31:35,640 they have hit they have Is say Hardenstein And, thomas 530 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:38,599 sorber like they should be good in. That department but 531 00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:42,279 at the, same Time, Hello, WEMBY like I think mara 532 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:46,799 is a perfectly reasonable name to put out there before 533 00:31:46,799 --> 00:31:48,480 we Get. INTO utah i just want to bring up 534 00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:53,799 one final, Player here darius a Gooff from arkansas Played 535 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:58,000 under John. Cala PERRY like i, understand THAT truly. I 536 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:01,599 do everyone is, basically, saying oh. The defense like. The defense, 537 00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,839 It's horrendous like he might be literally the worst defender 538 00:32:07,599 --> 00:32:10,880 AT the nba level when he. Steps IN and i 539 00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,920 am not going to argue against the defense or. LACK 540 00:32:14,960 --> 00:32:22,839 thereof i. Am, not however, this dude a freshman nineteen. Years, 541 00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:26,799 Old again i'm going to. REPEAT myself a freshman averaged 542 00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:29,359 twenty three and a, half points six and a, half 543 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:34,079 assist got to the line six times and hid forty 544 00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:38,079 four percent of his, three pointers many of them pull 545 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:43,119 up self created off, The, BOUNCE like i just think 546 00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:52,119 we are grotesquely underestimating his. Offensive, output now two things 547 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:56,559 can be true at the, same time being, one like 548 00:32:56,759 --> 00:32:59,640 he's insanely good and we should stop like being that 549 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,079 skeep to go. Off him and two guards of his 550 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,079 size probably should go later in the draft instead of 551 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,440 right at, the top, so like because they're just easier, 552 00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,279 to Find, right like guards are easier to find at 553 00:33:13,319 --> 00:33:15,720 six three and a half. Or whatever he is somewhere along, 554 00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,359 those lines like you can find. THOSE guys, i, can't 555 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,319 however shake this feeling pride that this dude is actually 556 00:33:23,359 --> 00:33:28,039 someone who can go in, and basically LIKE what i 557 00:33:28,079 --> 00:33:31,839 said Earlier, about peterson this is a dude who just 558 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:36,480 consistently can produce at an offensive clip so high in 559 00:33:36,519 --> 00:33:41,519 the late stages of LIKE An nba, finals game that he, can, execute, 560 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,559 execute execute and just get to the shots and be 561 00:33:45,799 --> 00:33:50,440 efficient and uper effective to the point where, you know 562 00:33:50,559 --> 00:33:52,640 we've Just Seen jalen brunson Lead the knicks to a 563 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:59,720 championship at six foot two on a, good day, Right 564 00:34:00,119 --> 00:34:05,640 right that kind of helps me think that perhaps we 565 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:08,599 shouldn't be this quick, to dismiss dismiss someone like a 566 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,480 cuff just because he's not six five. Mm. 567 00:34:11,599 --> 00:34:16,159 Speaker 5: Hmm Alren the kings super high, on him, super high and, 568 00:34:17,199 --> 00:34:20,039 FRANKLY like i don't want to Give. 569 00:34:20,079 --> 00:34:24,039 Speaker 1: THE kings. I don't i don't WANT to i don't want. 570 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:29,039 To Crown the. Kings DIDN'T but i like that for 571 00:34:29,079 --> 00:34:31,880 Them that the THING that i worry would be are 572 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,639 they going to miss? Him? 573 00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:37,440 Speaker 2: Up, right well that's what my. Thought is just If 574 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:42,519 the kings are, On him i'm, immediately suspicious but maybe 575 00:34:42,559 --> 00:34:46,119 that maybe they've turned the leaf and maybe they're actually well. 576 00:34:46,519 --> 00:34:49,079 Speaker 1: Being on him is FINE that. I like i think 577 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:52,199 more multiple teams should be in. On Him what i'm 578 00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:55,199 afraid is if they actually, get him what are they 579 00:34:55,239 --> 00:35:00,519 going to turn? Him, Into right like We Saw jaron 580 00:35:00,599 --> 00:35:04,239 Fox in, game four, you know drive to the cup 581 00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:06,920 instead of just pulling the, ball back which was such. 582 00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:10,800 A key that was like he Had Not jaren fox 583 00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:13,039 had not Gotten the kings slapped out of. 584 00:35:13,119 --> 00:35:19,199 Speaker 2: Him, yet, yeah yeah, oh man all of. This stuff it, was, 585 00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,840 like well you can't take you can take the man Out. 586 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:28,519 Speaker 6: Of, sacramento yeah that was, Right rough but like a cub, 587 00:35:28,599 --> 00:35:31,639 TO me i think he's such an interesting PLAYER because 588 00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:34,320 i can see THIS just i can see him leaning 589 00:35:34,360 --> 00:35:36,519 into offense and just being a dreadful. 590 00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:40,800 Speaker 1: Defensive PLAYER but i could also see him becoming like, 591 00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,039 a star like A genu, wine star where in the 592 00:35:45,079 --> 00:35:48,760 middle of next season we're, all, thinking oh how did 593 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,480 he not go in the, top Five and, rigcky O'Donnell 594 00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,559 who is so much smarter on the DRAFT than, I, 595 00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:57,639 Am like i'm disagreeing him with him twice now because 596 00:35:57,679 --> 00:36:00,360 he has booster first and he's not crazy about, a 597 00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:05,800 cuff which. Is Fair i'm i'm leaning against my Good 598 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,000 pal ricky on. THIS one i think a cooff is, 599 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,840 freaking amazing And but i'm also a guy who leans 600 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:14,079 more offense, than defense as You know damn. Will, KNOW 601 00:36:15,039 --> 00:36:18,039 sure i. LIKE him i THINK there's i think there's 602 00:36:18,039 --> 00:36:22,440 something good to be found here AND and i think whoever, 603 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:26,880 gets him even if it's like in, the eight eight 604 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,280 nine range for something along, those lines Like if dallas 605 00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:36,639 had him at nine Next, TO flag i. LOVE that 606 00:36:37,079 --> 00:36:37,920 i low he. 607 00:36:38,079 --> 00:36:42,519 Speaker 2: Love, That Yeah i'm i'm interested. TO see, i mean 608 00:36:42,760 --> 00:36:45,320 it really does seem like that five, through eight five 609 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:47,440 through nine range or just a bunch of, point guards 610 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:51,079 and it actually worked out so like most of the 611 00:36:51,159 --> 00:36:55,400 teams other Than the clippers, at five but like, you 612 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:58,800 know THEN that's i guess they're just still very MUCH in. 613 00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,800 Bpa mode hawks could use a point guard After Trading 614 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:03,920 trey kings could use a point guard after he Traded. 615 00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:08,480 Deeron fox Even the MAVs, at nine Like with kyrie 616 00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:11,079 probably not being a long term piece of, that puzzle 617 00:37:11,119 --> 00:37:12,800 they could also use a point guard to Pair With. 618 00:37:12,880 --> 00:37:15,360 Cooper flag so it's it's nice to see that the 619 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,559 lattery kind of fell in line with, you know these 620 00:37:18,599 --> 00:37:23,800 teams CAN, do bpa but also go for guys who 621 00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,000 fit with, their core with their vision. 622 00:37:26,079 --> 00:37:33,239 Speaker 1: Moving, forward, yeah, YEAH absolutely i very. Much agree do 623 00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,000 you have before we move on to the jett do 624 00:37:36,119 --> 00:37:39,239 you have a draft take or a guy you just want? 625 00:37:39,280 --> 00:37:41,159 TO like i Noticed this. 626 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,079 Speaker 2: It sounds like the Kid From Kentucky. Jayden, quentin, yes, 627 00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:58,400 yes yeah it seems like he is falling at least based, 628 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:03,400 on REPORTS and i imagine that mostly due to the 629 00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,880 health since he didn't play all that much. Last year 630 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:09,280 but he feels like one of those guys where, it's 631 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,400 like you know what you were talking, about earlier where 632 00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,119 you're you're more of a safe single. Or double you 633 00:38:14,119 --> 00:38:16,199 don't necessarily need to swing for the fences. Every time 634 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:19,360 he feels like the swing for the. Fence's, boombust, like, 635 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:23,760 yes obviously if the medicals, go wrong it's, you know 636 00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:27,239 that's probably it. For HIM but, I mean i would 637 00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,400 think if he didn't have those, medical concerns he's going 638 00:38:29,440 --> 00:38:33,280 a lot higher in this draft. Than That so i'm interested. 639 00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:36,039 To see, you know there are a lot of good 640 00:38:36,079 --> 00:38:38,679 teams in the twenties that could, use him and if 641 00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:41,440 he lands in the, right spot, you know that feels 642 00:38:41,559 --> 00:38:43,400 like the guy that in a couple of years, from 643 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,599 now if everything, breaks right we're gonna, be like how 644 00:38:45,679 --> 00:38:50,159 the hell did he go to, you know twenty sixth? Or, whatever, yeah, yeah, Yeah. 645 00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:54,639 Speaker 1: YEAH no, i look he is someone who is also 646 00:38:54,760 --> 00:39:01,280 talked about a great deal and. So quents he hasn't 647 00:39:01,280 --> 00:39:05,519 played more than four games this last season For. For 648 00:39:05,760 --> 00:39:11,239 kentucky the stats don't even matter because it's. Four games 649 00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:13,880 it was like a. Few minutes it's just him getting 650 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,320 on the floor is the most important thing in. All 651 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:21,960 this he is just so, ridiculously big and it sounds 652 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,400 ridiculous when you look at his height and it's it's 653 00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,679 listed as let me just MAKE sure i, don't yeah 654 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,440 six' ten, and a Quarter So basically, jalen DURHAM size which, 655 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:36,159 i just criticized but he very Much. Similar to duran 656 00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:43,000 just looks, so OUTRAGEOUSLY large and i think his chest 657 00:39:43,039 --> 00:39:48,360 area and like upper like shoulder, LENGTH and back i 658 00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:51,119 think he Looks. Wider than duran, maybe it's not but 659 00:39:51,199 --> 00:39:54,360 it looks it so like he almost looks like he 660 00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,840 plays seven to one instead of. Six Y ten and 661 00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:01,119 i don't know if he are going to trust that 662 00:40:01,199 --> 00:40:03,559 because we've heard this so many years when a guy 663 00:40:03,760 --> 00:40:06,519 comes in at a certain height and, then, we hear 664 00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,119 oh but, he plays bigger and then when push, comes to, shot, 665 00:40:10,159 --> 00:40:12,199 it's like no that dude is still. Like that high 666 00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:17,000 but it seems like everyone is intrigued, by him defensively 667 00:40:17,159 --> 00:40:18,599 just what he can do on that end, of the 668 00:40:18,679 --> 00:40:21,960 court that he can just alter so many shots because, 669 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,199 of his, wingspan his athleticism like he should just be 670 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,119 someone theoretically at least who can clean up a. Bunch 671 00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:32,000 of stuff i've also heard LIKE we just i just 672 00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:35,519 brought up A. Cuff for dallas i've also heard some 673 00:40:35,679 --> 00:40:40,440 bring Up coincidence for dallas as someone who can clean 674 00:40:40,519 --> 00:40:42,760 up for flag like, in that sense like flag, on 675 00:40:42,800 --> 00:40:46,079 the perimeter him shoring up. THE back line i. THINK 676 00:40:46,159 --> 00:40:49,000 that's high i don't think you should take. HIM at 677 00:40:49,679 --> 00:40:53,480 nine i think. That's pretty preposterous but if they were 678 00:40:53,519 --> 00:41:00,840 willing to trade, down war him that. Would, be interesting yeah, that, is, yeah, no, 679 00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,039 No no he's he's going to be an interesting. Case 680 00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:05,320 FOR sure and i Also saw on tanka thought that 681 00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,519 he's currently projected to Go to your philadelphia, seventy six 682 00:41:09,599 --> 00:41:12,719 ers which is PROBABLY who, OH i. SAW i saw. 683 00:41:13,039 --> 00:41:16,440 Speaker 2: I didn't know i've seen A Lot of CoA Pete. And, 684 00:41:16,679 --> 00:41:22,119 chris sinak yeah that Sounds like both sixers fans The 685 00:41:22,159 --> 00:41:26,480 three remaining sixers fans of the Planet do not they're 686 00:41:26,519 --> 00:41:27,519 not superhero for either. 687 00:41:27,519 --> 00:41:30,360 Speaker 1: Of those picks we are going to take a quick 688 00:41:30,400 --> 00:41:32,880 commercial break and then we're going to be back with 689 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:46,239 your topic, off The Day. The utah, jass, all right 690 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,800 right you wanted to Talk About. THE utah jass i 691 00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,920 know where you're, going WITH this but i want to 692 00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:52,320 let you. 693 00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:57,639 Speaker 2: Lead, THE way, YEAH i mean i am. Just very interested, 694 00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:02,360 as we, mentioned you know Assuming let's say debansa. Goes 695 00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:06,039 number One if If peterson or boozer, GOES number One 696 00:42:06,199 --> 00:42:09,280 i think debanza they run to the podium and take 697 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:12,719 the bands. At, number Two yeah but debanza heavy favorite to. 698 00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,760 Go number one let's assume the odds. Makers are right 699 00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:20,800 jazz are now stuck Between deciding Between. Peterson and boozer 700 00:42:21,800 --> 00:42:25,840 peterson much cleaner fit just with their current core Because 701 00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,119 They Have Lori Marketing. Jaren Jackson jr walker kessler is a. 702 00:42:30,159 --> 00:42:33,800 Restricted free agent we'll see, what happens there but already 703 00:42:33,840 --> 00:42:36,440 we're Talking about lor marketing is, the starting three which 704 00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,320 He did in Cleveland Next to Jared Allen, and evin 705 00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:41,599 mobley so he. Has experience there but this is still a, 706 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:47,119 seven foot three which you know you're there's just not 707 00:42:47,519 --> 00:42:51,119 room in, the starting Lineup Assuming that walker kessler Is Back. 708 00:42:51,679 --> 00:42:55,119 For cameron boozer so If They, take cameron boozer that 709 00:42:55,199 --> 00:42:58,559 implies another shoe is going to drop. At some point 710 00:42:58,639 --> 00:43:01,679 maybe it's, not this year but it's also hard to 711 00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,960 imagine that any of these top picks are going to 712 00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:06,719 be thrilled coming. OFF the, bench i mean we just 713 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:09,000 Heard It with dylan harper, after the finals where you 714 00:43:09,039 --> 00:43:10,400 know he spent most of the year coming off the 715 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,559 bench Because they Have. Fox And Castle but devin vessel 716 00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,880 lets It slip after game, five, that like yeah he 717 00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:19,119 wasn't super. Thrilled with that so maybe they can get 718 00:43:19,159 --> 00:43:22,079 away with it, for a year, but after, THAT you 719 00:43:22,119 --> 00:43:24,239 know i don't Think You're taking cam boozer with the 720 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,480 number two overall pick with the intention of having him 721 00:43:26,519 --> 00:43:30,039 be your six man. For. Four Years correct but peterson 722 00:43:30,639 --> 00:43:35,760 apparently shares An Agency, with kyanti george who becomes extension, 723 00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:40,679 eligible this offseason and it sounds like the agency is 724 00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:45,800 Trying to steer Peterson away from utah with. That in 725 00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:48,880 mind because it, also sounds Like according to TIM, McMahon 726 00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,800 Of espn that utah is not expected to reach an 727 00:43:52,840 --> 00:43:56,400 agreement on An Extension. With KIYANTI george and i think 728 00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,559 that makes sense, To some extent like he had a 729 00:44:00,039 --> 00:44:03,559 credible breakout, year last year flew completely under the radar 730 00:44:03,639 --> 00:44:07,360 because he Was, Playing FOR utah, but i mean twenty 731 00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:11,159 three point six. Assists per game efficiency went from below 732 00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,079 forty percent to. Like mid forties He Crossed the, terry rogier, 733 00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:22,840 LINE you, know i think not the line within his right, 734 00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:28,519 the shooting line the shooting he would be within his 735 00:44:28,639 --> 00:44:31,440 rights to ask for a max or a, near Max 736 00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:36,079 contract but Utah Already has Lori Markinen And jaron jackson 737 00:44:36,119 --> 00:44:39,159 junior on nearmax deals of. Their own Right And, if 738 00:44:39,199 --> 00:44:42,880 walker kessler you know McMahon's reporting they offered, him five 739 00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:45,719 years one hundred, And forty million he's not. Thrilled with 740 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:49,000 that he wants. More, than that, So You know ace 741 00:44:49,039 --> 00:44:51,079 bailey still has three more years on. His rookie deal 742 00:44:52,119 --> 00:44:53,760 whoever they take a number two is gonna have four 743 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,840 years on, their rookie deal so they've got some time 744 00:44:56,960 --> 00:45:01,199 before they really face. A financial crunch but If they 745 00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,639 sign keyante to a max or near max deal and 746 00:45:04,639 --> 00:45:08,440 they hand out a Big Deal for walker, kessler as 747 00:45:08,440 --> 00:45:11,519 well they're gonna be kind of in the Same spot 748 00:45:11,599 --> 00:45:16,360 that Cleveland Was With mobiley mitchell Garland all on Max's 749 00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:18,000 And then jared allen on a big deal. Of His 750 00:45:18,039 --> 00:45:22,880 own so i'm just really interested to see how this 751 00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:27,400 offseason Plays out for utah with these, three big decisions 752 00:45:27,440 --> 00:45:30,480 who they take, at number two whether they are able 753 00:45:30,519 --> 00:45:33,239 To Re sign walker kessler and, at what price and 754 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:37,840 then also Do. They extend keyante seems like the, answer 755 00:45:37,920 --> 00:45:40,400 is no but even if they'm good to restricted free, 756 00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,360 agency next summer do? They keep him and? At WHAT 757 00:45:43,519 --> 00:45:47,880 price because i think if everything Goes, RIGHT for utah 758 00:45:48,079 --> 00:45:49,880 i would make the case that they are the Biggest 759 00:45:49,880 --> 00:45:53,519 threat to Okay See in san Antonio. In the west, 760 00:45:53,719 --> 00:45:57,400 not right now, but moving forward like within the next, 761 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:00,480 YEAR or two i think They. JUMP over denver i 762 00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:03,360 think They jump over houston just because those two teams 763 00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:05,639 have a lot to sort out, on their own and 764 00:46:05,679 --> 00:46:09,880 they're also further along in the like we need to 765 00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:13,199 start shedding talent because we. Are too expensive we're already 766 00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,519 Seeing it With Denver With michael porter junior last year 767 00:46:15,519 --> 00:46:17,440 and that obviously did not work out. In, their favor 768 00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:21,400 houston we're. Not quite There but When i'm and thompson, 769 00:46:21,400 --> 00:46:25,000 gets his, extension you know well they'll be there, in 770 00:46:25,079 --> 00:46:27,280 Due time whereas utah has got a couple more years 771 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,239 before they need to. Worry, ABOUT that, so i know 772 00:46:30,280 --> 00:46:32,239 what do you think they should Do if de bance is? Off? 773 00:46:32,239 --> 00:46:35,599 The board peterson do you think They? Just go peterson? 774 00:46:35,679 --> 00:46:39,840 Speaker 1: And they? Should they should and do you. 775 00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:43,239 Speaker 2: Do you have peterson as a higher rank prospect or 776 00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:45,840 are you factoring fit into? 777 00:46:45,880 --> 00:46:49,559 Speaker 1: The mix here then Pet than than Debasa. 778 00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,159 Speaker 2: Or, then, BOOZER yeah no i. 779 00:46:52,079 --> 00:46:54,960 Speaker 1: Think he's again this is THIS is the supersi, a, 780 00:46:55,039 --> 00:47:00,719 Superstar UPSIDE right Like i think peterson's highest and upside 781 00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,079 is higher Than. That of booser's, AND at two i 782 00:47:04,079 --> 00:47:07,239 think it's easier to justify a swing than. A number 783 00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:11,159 one i don't think it, Should be though like that's 784 00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:13,440 also even. Baking THAT in like i think if you 785 00:47:13,639 --> 00:47:15,800 if you think a guy has the highest upside and 786 00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:18,719 you think you have the organizational tools to make him, reach, 787 00:47:18,840 --> 00:47:23,039 that level swing. Like it's fine debondsa to me is 788 00:47:23,079 --> 00:47:27,639 Just someone Who's like if debond's's floor had been, A 789 00:47:27,679 --> 00:47:30,719 little lower i probably would have Just. Said go Peterson 790 00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:34,679 but debon SA's floor it's just. So goddamn high he 791 00:47:35,119 --> 00:47:37,840 really MUCKs it up for me because he's, He's really 792 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,719 good like he's Gonna come in brady. From Day ONE 793 00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:46,599 but peterson I, Have OVER boozer. Yes i Do the more, 794 00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:50,280 i've watched him THE more. That I do and i 795 00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,840 don't care about, the agency Bits, nor should utah, because 796 00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,960 that's business and that is like trying to protect. The player's, 797 00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,360 interest that's, fine that's cool but you have to work 798 00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:02,400 as an organize station. To move forward like you you 799 00:48:02,559 --> 00:48:08,320 just can't get caught up in all that jazz that 800 00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:14,079 was that. Was actually unintentional you just you can't again 801 00:48:14,159 --> 00:48:16,719 get get caught up in it because like you want 802 00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:20,719 to PROCEED as, an nba organization and that doesn't mean 803 00:48:20,840 --> 00:48:25,280 trying to take players who are. Of lesser value like 804 00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:28,920 even if the, agency, is going well we're, upset with 805 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:31,840 that what? Can you do we make the Decisions like 806 00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:37,400 funk off honestly right at at, a certain level just shut. 807 00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:41,360 The hell up we're making. The calls here So, SO 808 00:48:41,400 --> 00:48:44,880 FOR peterson i i think he also slides. IN beautifully, 809 00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:49,639 there I think Like george and. Peterson a backcourt if 810 00:48:49,639 --> 00:48:53,599 that agency like perhaps had to flip it, on his 811 00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:57,599 heads like just if those two power it up like 812 00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,519 one of the best backcourts. In the league you could 813 00:49:01,519 --> 00:49:03,880 make the ARGUMENT that that i don't even know who 814 00:49:03,920 --> 00:49:08,559 represents them, at this stage, but the team which. 815 00:49:08,559 --> 00:49:12,719 Speaker 2: Is what the agency is now, named the team but 816 00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,559 it Was The former Wasserman oh. 817 00:49:15,239 --> 00:49:19,320 Speaker 1: It's, wassermuran, Group, Okay cool yeah But like then i'm 818 00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:20,880 Just gonna go i'm not gonna call them something as 819 00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:24,199 stupid As team so i'm Just. Gonna say, washerman but 820 00:49:24,280 --> 00:49:28,000 Like if the washerman group really looked at this from, 821 00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,079 A creative Perspective like If peterson and george just became 822 00:49:31,119 --> 00:49:33,840 one of the most prudent BACKCOURTS, in the nba they 823 00:49:33,880 --> 00:49:36,360 could more more or less name their price because then 824 00:49:36,400 --> 00:49:40,360 they become invaluable members. Of that team because that team is, 825 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:45,079 so heavy upfront as We, Know With Kessler jared, jackson 826 00:49:45,159 --> 00:49:50,199 junior marketing they need the balance of perimeter play. They just, 827 00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,400 do I'm sorry and i'm still not A Fan of 828 00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:56,760 laura marketing. AT the three I don't think i, will, Ever, 829 00:49:57,079 --> 00:49:59,960 Be so like i'm not saying you can't win. Despite 830 00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,800 Of that what i'm saying is you need to tailor 831 00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,480 your roster so, perfectly AROUND that because i still think. 832 00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:11,559 HE'S a four i don't think. HE'S a free i 833 00:50:11,639 --> 00:50:16,119 still don't love the Trade To Acquire jaron jackson junior 834 00:50:16,639 --> 00:50:21,440 unless you actually are Able To, retain walker kessler because 835 00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,639 if you Have To Play jaron jackson junior at the 836 00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:26,840 five a whole bunch and that dude still can't freaking, 837 00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:32,000 grab a board. That's. A problem NO but, like i 838 00:50:32,000 --> 00:50:34,920 mean we've talked about. This for Years He and laurie 839 00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:37,559 markelon are among one of the like the two worst 840 00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:41,039 you know big you know big men in terms of. 841 00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:45,199 The rebounding department they both play like shooting guards. On the, glass, 842 00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,440 it's like oh, well rebound occasionally and that's, not, Good, enough, 843 00:50:48,480 --> 00:50:52,559 dude like yeah So You, need walker kesler who's, a 844 00:50:52,840 --> 00:50:57,639 brilliant rebounder just like. Absolutely exquisite rebounder so if, you 845 00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:04,119 lose him that's that's a big issue. In my eyes 846 00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,320 so like for you to say they can be so Close, 847 00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:09,400 to san antonio. NO can see i assume you say 848 00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:13,400 everything has to go right that One they retain kessler 849 00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,000 and two they, get, The PICK right? 850 00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,679 Speaker 2: Am? I, wrong, yes, yes yes. 851 00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:19,079 Speaker 1: Okay. 852 00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,679 Speaker 2: FOR sure YEAH i mean i think if they don't 853 00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:26,960 retain if They, don't retain, kessler like right If, they 854 00:51:27,000 --> 00:51:30,599 retain kessler they will have the Problem that. SAN antonio 855 00:51:30,719 --> 00:51:33,920 had i would argue even More than SAN antonio because 856 00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,599 i Don't know that champagni is necessarily a starter for 857 00:51:36,639 --> 00:51:40,159 all thirty teams. In the league but they will have 858 00:51:40,360 --> 00:51:44,360 six starting caliber players and only, five, starting Spots Right 859 00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,480 Like a's bailey i'm assuming is the one who comes 860 00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:50,039 out If, THEY go peterson i Assume They move ace 861 00:51:50,079 --> 00:51:54,719 bailey to the Bench And, It's, GEORGE Peterson laurie jjj 862 00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:59,760 kessler as, they're, starting five right that is just in 863 00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:05,239 an enormous amount of size VERSATILITY shooting, with, I mean 864 00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,760 YEAH lori and, jjj in particular like shooting from big 865 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:13,199 like they they could be a really dynamic unit on 866 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,440 both ends. Of, the floor yeah And then yeah peterson with, 867 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:20,159 This like takeover like they, don't have, That, You know 868 00:52:20,440 --> 00:52:23,320 keyante george average. Twenty three game laurie's had game or 869 00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,880 seasons where he's averaged. Twenty five game so like they 870 00:52:27,920 --> 00:52:31,960 have guys who can, put up numbers but they still, 871 00:52:31,960 --> 00:52:36,719 don't have that like you know, The, dude Who Yeah 872 00:52:36,760 --> 00:52:38,400 the jalen brunson at the end, of the Game Or, 873 00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,719 the kobe bryant like. The late game we are going, 874 00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,800 through this guy you know we're. Going through him we 875 00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:43,480 know we're going. 876 00:52:43,360 --> 00:52:46,039 Speaker 1: Through him and all the players you could have BROUGHT up, 877 00:52:46,039 --> 00:52:49,239 An nba history You Went with Kobe Bryant. And Jalen. 878 00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:55,480 Speaker 7: Brown jalen, brunson, oh, Sorry sorry sorry. Oh my God 879 00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:59,760 Complimenting a boston Celtic. Are you ronson. 880 00:53:00,039 --> 00:53:03,880 Speaker 1: I'M so SORRY i thought i thought You might Callby Bride. 881 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:04,920 AND jalen brown, i. 882 00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,920 Speaker 2: Was Like what. 883 00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,119 Speaker 1: Jalen? 884 00:53:09,159 --> 00:53:17,119 Speaker 2: Brown? DID finish what i wish It well In milwaukee 885 00:53:17,320 --> 00:53:19,039 or portland or where you're going to? Play next, Week, you 886 00:53:19,119 --> 00:53:20,000 said bronson fear. 887 00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:22,760 Speaker 1: Enough my mistake that makes so much? More sets offs 888 00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:27,920 like what what? Are we? LIKE oh god i Was 889 00:53:28,000 --> 00:53:30,920 Just like Michael Jordan, and gerald wilkins like what what 890 00:53:33,480 --> 00:53:34,559 how do? We get there. 891 00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:36,719 Speaker 2: That would? 892 00:53:36,760 --> 00:53:39,239 Speaker 5: Be, pretty, good, okay No NO but peterson, I, FOR 893 00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:41,719 sure yeah i hear you like he's gonna be like 894 00:53:41,760 --> 00:53:47,000 the number one dog is basically, What you're, Saying yes, exactly. 895 00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:49,760 Speaker 1: OH god, NO i yes i. THINK you're right i do. 896 00:53:49,840 --> 00:53:52,360 Think you're right that. Would be, INTERESTING and again i 897 00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:58,119 really think if necessitates the the retention Of of of, castler, because, 898 00:53:58,159 --> 00:54:02,320 Like Again hi lorie Market AND high triple j go get. 899 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:05,280 Me a rebound, ten minutes later you still haven't gotten. 900 00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:06,719 Me a rebound. God damn it like? 901 00:54:10,320 --> 00:54:11,440 Speaker 2: What about that guys about? 902 00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:13,199 Speaker 1: Yeah right right are? 903 00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:13,280 Speaker 2: We? 904 00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:17,840 Speaker 1: There yet? Oh there yet and and and that to 905 00:54:17,880 --> 00:54:20,840 me is just. Is, A PROBLEM again like i don't 906 00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:22,960 know if you saw like this was An interesting stat 907 00:54:23,079 --> 00:54:26,079 like remember when the league decided to pave it away 908 00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:32,519 from offensive rebounding because they wanted to, prioritize optimal. Uh defensive, Positioning, 909 00:54:32,719 --> 00:54:37,239 so offense yeah apparently that's back. LIKE offensive rebounding a 910 00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,440 lot of, numbers are, indicated like ya like we see 911 00:54:40,440 --> 00:54:42,400 a lot of value in going back on and crossing. 912 00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:47,480 The offensive glass, like, we're, like, no shit guys. 913 00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:49,960 Speaker 2: You don't say you. 914 00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,559 Speaker 1: Don't say, rebounding is important like you? Optimize possession counts? 915 00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:57,559 Like what what what is this magic? That's called mathematics 916 00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,679 have they kicked the nerds out out of out of? 917 00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:03,719 The front offices now all the hoopers are? 918 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,960 Speaker 2: Back about? 919 00:55:06,039 --> 00:55:08,880 Speaker 5: Time oh GOD but LIKE i just i really think 920 00:55:08,960 --> 00:55:11,239 rebounding will be the big thing for this troop and. 921 00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,000 Speaker 1: And PERIMETER play so i think it's a really. Good 922 00:55:13,039 --> 00:55:15,400 SHOUT out but i just love the position, They're in 923 00:55:15,599 --> 00:55:18,719 right like you just can't. Go Wrong there if, dubonsa 924 00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,920 goes One. You Go peterson if, peterson goes One. You 925 00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,480 go dubonza and, you're, Like Fine cool like debonza's Even 926 00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:29,639 told them booster is like you're if you, want More 927 00:55:29,679 --> 00:55:32,800 size h dubonza at, Almost six ten, come on down 928 00:55:32,960 --> 00:55:35,599 let's throw you into the you want to be? A, two, 929 00:55:35,639 --> 00:55:40,119 guard like? Sure why not we're playing lowry. At the 930 00:55:40,159 --> 00:55:44,280 three anyway you're gonna start a guy who's six' four 931 00:55:44,559 --> 00:55:48,840 six' ten seven one six? Eleven, and, seven to? Two 932 00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,000 sure sure why Not. 933 00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,119 Speaker 2: Feels like a pretty, wenby proofed roster to me if 934 00:55:54,159 --> 00:55:56,599 you're gonna if you're Gonna have a chance to wenby 935 00:55:56,599 --> 00:56:00,280 proof starting three seven footers and then another massive. Eye, 936 00:56:00,360 --> 00:56:02,280 and it's pretty. 937 00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:04,840 Speaker 5: Good yeah until we realized when he comes back next 938 00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:07,559 year with like a forty five three point shot, like, 939 00:56:07,599 --> 00:56:09,039 off the pull ups right like. 940 00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:15,159 Speaker 2: It's over, added, Fifteen, pounds of muscles. Right like screw 941 00:56:15,239 --> 00:56:19,119 being skinny i'm. Just gonna run through people now if. 942 00:56:19,039 --> 00:56:22,119 Speaker 1: He Comes back, with like a, gyannis body oh my. 943 00:56:22,159 --> 00:56:25,480 Speaker 2: GOD that would. Be wild i just. 944 00:56:25,559 --> 00:56:29,280 Speaker 5: Can't like that's just then then and and even like 945 00:56:29,400 --> 00:56:31,320 we imagine if he Comes back with both a yana's 946 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,440 body and like a Legitimate, Forty shot off the, Bounceyah 947 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:38,400 Like at that point alan silver, is just. 948 00:56:38,400 --> 00:56:42,719 Speaker 1: Gonna, be like screw it NO no matter what, rules 949 00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:44,400 i PUT in. Place, This guy i. 950 00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:48,360 Speaker 2: Can't yeah, YOU'RE just gonna. Break basketball i, give. 951 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:54,079 Speaker 1: Up well we uh we cover some draft prospects and 952 00:56:54,159 --> 00:56:57,960 We Talked. About the the utah jazz so thank. You, 953 00:56:58,079 --> 00:57:01,639 for everyone listening in brian let the good people know where, they, 954 00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:02,239 can find, your. 955 00:57:02,119 --> 00:57:06,559 Speaker 2: Work sir oh Boy All over the place, forbes sports 956 00:57:06,599 --> 00:57:10,400 AND fan, sided for general nba Stuff, silver SCREENING role 957 00:57:10,519 --> 00:57:12,880 for lakers and i am back As Of. This week 958 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:16,360 at liberty bollers so for those of you who hate Yourself, 959 00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:19,000 enough to follow, THE sixers pleased to say i will 960 00:57:19,000 --> 00:57:21,920 be back there covering the team. That continues, to Torture 961 00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:25,360 Us But hey the new york knicks just proved after fifty, 962 00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,519 three years of being tortured even the worst teams in. 963 00:57:28,519 --> 00:57:31,079 The league CAN have hope So maybe i think the 964 00:57:31,119 --> 00:57:33,519 sixers drought is. Now at forty three years we only have. 965 00:57:33,559 --> 00:57:36,880 Ten more years to. Go n, be champions again nice 966 00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:37,519 one nice. 967 00:57:37,519 --> 00:57:40,039 Speaker 1: One for everyone listening in. Thank you for doing, so 968 00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:42,400 until we speak again have a good, one and stay 969 00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:43,159 safe everyone