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We're gonna talk private equity and the good, the bad,

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the ugly of it. What happens if private equity in

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college sports fails up on the hill in Suli City.

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That is a question everybody wants to know. We're gonna

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delve into it with a college football insider here momentarily.

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Let's get out to the hot line. Welcome in Matt

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Brown of Extra Points college football Insider. What's up, Matt Hey,

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Good to be back here.

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Speaker 3: This this market kind of refuses to calm down enough

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for me to kind of to focus elsewhere. Wasn't expecting

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this to dominate dominate today. But it's a huge story.

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Glad we we can talk about it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So break it down for is what has

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occurred over the last twenty four hours.

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Speaker 3: So the University of Utah is going to do something

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that several other schools have thought about but nobody else

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is actual has actually done yet, which is is substantially

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partner with a private equity firm to help finance the

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athletic department. Based on the various reports here, because the

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actual trustees conversation that was in the public was very

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light on details, Utah is going to be moving their

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revenue producing units in the athletic department to this new

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LLC Utah Brands and Entertainment. It's going to be co

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owned by a private equity firm, Utro Capital. Utah will

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be the majority shareholder and will get a significant upfront

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amount of money somewhere in the neighborhood according to reports

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of around five hundred million dollars, and the private equity

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firm will own a significant state in this new LLC,

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and there will work to try and grow Utah's revenues

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to the point where then they can you know, they

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can sell the thing back in five, six, seven, eight years,

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either sell it back to Utah or to some other party.

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So this represents a very significant, like upfront financial investment

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for Utah Athletics. But there's some meaningful risks and not

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just what to do with this money, but how to

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make sure you're growing the revenue enough to to to

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play cake your new business partners.

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Speaker 2: So what are the risks that they're running here by

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going with private equity. Why is it that Utah is

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the first to do this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I think that would be interesting and I

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want to hear more on the Utah side about what

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kind of you know, push the urgency to do this

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before say Syracuse or UNC or Purdue or any number

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of other institutions that have been kicking around these ideas

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are taking these meetings. I think one of the significant

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risks for me is how much more you can meaningfully

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grow your athletic department revenue in the relative short term, right, Utah,

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just like BYU their television deal that's fixed, that's that's

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already sold for a number of years, it's negotiated through

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the Big twelve. There's very little any individual school can do.

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Speaker 1: To change that.

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Speaker 3: The area where everyone seems to be focusing in this

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industry is, Hey, if we bring in the right partners,

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we can make more money in corporate sponsorships. We can

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make more money selling tickets, we can make more money

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through licensing and concessions and everything else during the current

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game day experience. And I think that that's true. Most

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schools are leaving money on the table in some form

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or fashion with those systems. But Utah sells out or

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comes close to selling out most of their football games.

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you can sell or how you know, raise ticket prices

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so much. Basketball is a little bit of different, a

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little bit of a different story. I'm a little concerned

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about how much more corporate sponsorship opportunities are available. I

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know that the metropolitan Salt Lake area is growing quite

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a bit. I know, but there's lots of new potential

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donors and new businesses popping up. But this is still

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not that big of a city. And you have the Jazz,

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you have the NHL team that's taking up a lot

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of that potential corporate sponsorship money. You might have a

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baseball team in five years. You've got BYU down the road,

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and you have a ton of other Division one institutions

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that offer way cheaper sponsorship packages that suck up some

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of the available money. And for a lot of industries,

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buying a gigantic billboard space, you know, next to campus

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or or your stadium activations are too expensive. There's generally

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only a handful of industries that buy in here. So

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I'd be a little bit worried. Based on the amount

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of money that UTAH already makes from tickets and you know,

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multimedia rights and licensing, it's about twenty eight million dollars

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go up, Like, could I go up to eighty? I don't.

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I don't think so. And if it can't, or are

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you handicapping yourself here by giving up too much of

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your future revenue to a third party?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? If it fails, what's what happens then? So, like,

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let's say it's not profitable, and what does that mean? Fail? Right?

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know that that many institutions have their universities have kind

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of subsidized the failings of an athletic department that is

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trying to keep up with the Jones, the Joneses, the

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arms race. Essentially, give me your perspective on if these

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ventures are not profitable? Well?

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Speaker 3: Would? I would caution everybody to be careful at making

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assumptions about profitability when looking at the financial statements we

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have in schools right now. We've talked about this a lot.

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Utah Athletics prior to this arrangement wasn't trying to make

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a profit. There was really no incentive for it to

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take a profit because there's no investors. Your incentivized suspend

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every dollar that you make because you're judge based on

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what happens on the field, not on your own individual

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financial management. And there's a lot of funny accounting that

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happens with the university MSRs reports. That becomes a little

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bit different when you're now partially accountable to a for

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profit entity that didn't get in the entertainment business for

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charity or because they care about Utah's to athletic traditions

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or what it means for the community. Now there's a

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big New York City investment firm that's here to make money,

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which means you got to help make money too. There's

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some limitations about how deep Utah can make cuts because

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they still have to comply with Big twelve conference regulations,

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the NCAA Regulations Title nine. They can't exactly shave themselves

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down to just five sports. But by making this kind

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of arrangement, where both parties are assuming some risk. The

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other firm is getting a percentage of revenues that come

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from all these other areas over the coming years. If

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the revenues don't grow, then Utah's kind of handcuffed itself

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a little bit here, loses some decision making power, and

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then even if they get a bunch of money up front,

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will be in a worse financial situation seven or eight

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years down the line when they're only getting sixty percent

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of the money but they should be getting because they

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got to pay off these other guys, or they might

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sell it to somebody else that Utah isn't as excited

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about working with. It's it's not as risky as maybe

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a private equity involvement in say, many newspapers or nursing

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homes or the real estate market or anything, but it

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is it is making a bet that I think is

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far from certain.

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Speaker 2: Why do you think Utah was the first domino to

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fall on the private equity in sports dominoes? I guess

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you know.

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Speaker 3: I can only I can really only speculate. I don't

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I don't know this for certain. I know that of

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the other schools that I've talked to and know that

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I've taken some of these meetings. A lot of the

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hang up has been about the very specific financial terms.

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So it may just be Utah just found a better

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cultural fit at a better valuation than North Carolina or

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Syracuse or some other places they've been able to do,

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or the Big Twelve for that matter. For those conversations,

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I can also understand why Utah might feel may be

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some more unique urgency, given that I don't think this

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is a state secret. There's a lot of people that

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give money to the Utah or care about Utah that

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don't want to be in the Big twelve in ten years,

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or think that there's going to be some other kind

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of realignment or reconfiguration around college sports and want to

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put themselves in the best position to be in that

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top group, whatever it is, whether it's Big Twelve, Part

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two Champions League, the Big Ten with twenty seven teams.

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Who knows, man, I don't know anybody who says they

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do know is selling you something. So you have that incentive,

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but you're not making the money. But the Big Ten

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and the SEC are you don't really have access to

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any of those immediate revenue streams. And some of there's

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there's some relatively significant capital projects down the line that

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are going to be expensive, Like you know, correct me

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if I'm wrong. Like my understanding is that they want

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to completely move the basketball arena and you know, make

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some pretty significant renovations there those prop into it.

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Speaker 2: No one goes to the games because it's not easy

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to park and get into and all that stuff.

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Speaker 3: Sure, and even even then, it's kind of old and

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you don't have the same luxury box situation that you

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might have in the Delta Center or anything else. Like

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I get all of that that stuffs expensive. So if

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you have ambitions at one level facility or capital needs

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that are going to be expensive, and you don't have

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access to the traditional revenue streams that the big schools have,

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and talking to these private equity firms and UTAH I

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thinks fit some of those categories.

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Speaker 2: How will Otro Capital and JMI Sports coexists? I believe

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they both operate in this revenue generating world for the utes.

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What does it mean? I think that the deal runs

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through what two thy thirty four? I don't know any

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thoughts there.

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Speaker 3: That's part of what I've been trying to figure out

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today because honestly, I don't don't. I don't personally see

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a way where they would want to coexist. I don't

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think you'd want to give up this much equity and

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bring in subject matter experts through this private equity firm

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if you didn't want to take all that upside yourself.

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If you suddenly have to split this corporate right, this

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new corporate fundraising with JMI and Otrow, I don't think

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there's any way that you're gonna be able to make

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enough new money to offset both of those things. My

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assumption when I heard about this was, oh, I don't

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they just signed that Jmidal like last year. I guess

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they're going to buy their way out of it. And

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that's just me speculating because I don't know, and I

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haven't talked to anybody on the phone yet, But it's

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difficult for me to see why you would do both

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of those things. The other schools that have kind of

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moved you created LLCs or try to, you know, financially

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separate some of their corporate sponsorship stuff, they either handle

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their MMR in house or they say like, no, we're

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going to elevate our MMR partner, but they're not selling

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equity to somebody else to help them.

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Speaker 4: Grow those revenues.

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Speaker 3: It feels supicasive to me. Did I lose you? Hello,

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go and.

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Speaker 2: Take over, Ronald? You got me? Okay, Sorry, I don't

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know I lost connection there for a second, Matt. I apologize,

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but I heard what you said. The the you know,

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the future of athletics, I mean is is optimistic, I

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believe because there's so much money in it, right, Like,

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we're in a very affluent society. This is modern day

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gladiatorial type of work. We are the modern day Romans,

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if you will, in the United States of America. The

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money is flowing, right the money is flowing into the sport.

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Where do you really want it to come from? Is

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the question? Would you though that universities have have you know,

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have been operating and trying to govern these athletic departments

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in a way that they are probably incapable of sufficiently

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maybe operating them, like maybe they don't have the core

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competencies to operate them now that they've become two hundred

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million dollar organizations within their universities.

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Speaker 3: So I think there is some truth to that. And

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if you talk to folks that you know maybe have

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worked for the Jazz or worked in the NHL, or

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worked in in the NFL and then come to work

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for BYU or the University of Utah. Most of them

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are going to tell you. And this isn't me crapping

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on you know, eight oh one area institutions. This is

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true across almost all college athletics. The maturity of like

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the internal infrastructure and college sports is usually substantially behind

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what's what's in pro sports in terms of how they market,

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how they collect fan data, how they handle licensing, like

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the pros do all of those things better. And I

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think there is some truth to the fact that, like, yeah,

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universities are not going to be as good as those

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things because they're they haven't been trying to run their

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athletic departments the same way as the pros because again,

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they're not trying to maximize profit. They have other goals,

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other KPIs besides just the dollar. And this this industry

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has only become more and more complicated as more and

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more money has flown into it, Like I think you

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could afford to run a department this way in nineteen

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eighty one, when big television money wasn't really a thing,

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and your biggest revenue was coming basically just from ticket

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sales and like one golf outing that you would do

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every year, and now eating at a place like Utah,

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which is not that big of an athletic department. We're

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looking at what one hundred and forty one hundred and

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fifty million dollars in revenues a year for a school

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like Ohio State. It's two twenty and that's only rising,

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So it would make sense that you would need a

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different governance model. The challenge is that even with you

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bringing in private equity, I don't think that the kind

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of the struggle between full straight professionalism. Money is the

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only you know, metric we care about and all the

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other things that go into college athletics. You can't serve

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two masters, and that's been the major struggle on commun

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in many ways for one hundred and fifty years, but

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I think especially in the last twenty five and I

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don't think this kind of deal fixes that. And that's

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not a University of Utah problem. I think that's a

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BYU problem, an Ohio State problem, and a Weaver State problem.

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Doing this kind of deal came Dan. If you do

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it right, gives you better quality of management and corporate strategy,

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and chasing some of this money, it also runs the

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risk of mecapping the very stuff that makes college sports compelling.

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And then you might just have a gentrified version of

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you know, Utah's minor league hockey team that you guys

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used to have, and nobody really cares about who's on

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that team, right, Like that's a difficult bounce.

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Speaker 2: Let me ask you, this is the is the future

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through of athletics sports athletics at the collegiate level? Is

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it through private equity? Do you think this is going

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to be the trend going forward after since Utah's now

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gone this path, do you think more jump in?

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Speaker 3: I want I want to be more conservative here, which

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I know does not always make the best sports talk radio.

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I believe it is probable that other schools will follow

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Utah's lead. Plenty of schools have been curious and been

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doing their due diligence on these kind of proposals as

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best as I know, for at least twelve months. I

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imagine at least a couple of them will Will the

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majority or will everybody? I don't think so, and at

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least not in the short term. And part of that

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is because I think a lot of people want to see,

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let's watch this for eighteen months and see if it works,

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or you know, if they do it and then they

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raise ticket price twenty five percent, or they lay off

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some popular people, or to do some popular things and

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donors revolt. Maybe we don't want to do this. You know,

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there's there's gonna be some people that are a little

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bit more conservative than others in jumping into it. What

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I feel confident about is that everybody big school, medium school,

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small school, probably down to what Westminster done in Division

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three round here, everybody's worried about revenue. There's a couple

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of different ways you can grow revenue. Partnering with a

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private capital firm is one of those ways you can

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bring in outside capital as a passive investor, like the

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Big ten was considering, where you don't give up the

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kind of more managerial control. That's another way. You can

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also do it yourself, which is what Clemson in Kentucky

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and Michigan State are trying to do. I don't know

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if there's going to be one best solution. We're just

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gonna have to kind of wait and see what happens.

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I have a lot of I'm more skeptical of private equity,

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but I also recognize part of that as my own

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personal bias as a report or whose industry has been

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especially farmed by many of these entities. I think if

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we were if you were interviewing me after I'd spent

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ten years working in nursing homes, I think I would

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I would feel just as skeptical if I spent the

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last ten years in F one or working in La Liga.

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that it's more standard and there haven't been as many

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catastrophes with these kind of companies. We're just gonna have

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to see what happens.

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Speaker 2: So I think the biggest concern that individuals have, at

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least in the state of Utah, is that their tax

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funds are going to subsidize any failures, will continue to subsidize.

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Speaker 5: Ye'll leave you again, Kritil, you get out of game, Matt,

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But no, I'm here, Ron We with the executive producer

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coming in right now to help out for Ben Cridliz.

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We're having a few technical difficulties. You guys apologize, that's

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just how radio radio works, Matt, I just want to know, like,

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long term wise, is this sustainable, especially with nil because

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from my standpoint of how I'm looking at this, and

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tell me how you view this, I don't know if

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a one time you know, cash pump into a program,

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if if that can be sustainable, Like, how do you

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manage this going forward? Because if you do this one time,

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it's great, but if it fails, then there's a lot

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of backlash, bankruptcy, a lot of things that can come

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I think sustainability is a tough question. But

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if you're going to try to get you're going to

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get a five hundred million dollar lump sum. The only

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reason you'd ever pursue that is if you're planning on

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using that money to build stuff that will give you

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revenue down the line. I don't think you know, you know,

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I'm speaking hyperbolically here, like Utah is not going to

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take that five hundred million, throw it all into athlete

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revenue share and year one outbid the Denver Broncos for

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talent and and try to wrecks out like one that

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that's not illegal, but it would also be a really

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bad use of this money. They're going to try to,

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you know, put this into things that they think will

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will will generate future returns, whether that's the facilities, whether

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that's in new salespeople, whether that's in new revenue streams,

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or changing what they do with their own earned media.

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And some of that stuff's you know, interesting to consumers.

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Speaker 4: Some of it isn't.

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Speaker 3: If you take this and you give up future equity

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and you don't invest it wisely, you absolutely hurt yourself

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long term, and that happens to businesses in this country

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all the time. It would be the same thing if

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we took out a loan from the bank and we

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don't grow, and now suddenly we're stuck with those onerous obligations.

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If you're if you're trying to compete with Texas and

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Ohio State and Alabama, you don't have those resources, though,

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you're going to have a different risk profile. And that's

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you taught what that's things to what UTEL is considering

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right now. And they're not the only ones to be doing.

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Speaker 2: That, Matt. Many are concerned here the state that somehow

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their tax dollars will continue you to fund Utah Athletics.

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Kyle Whittingham is the highest paid employee in the state

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of Utah. I imagine some of those those tax payer

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dollars go to him right now, How does that all

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work out? Do you think?

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Speaker 3: I think if you are a tax payer, you're going

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to have to come to terms with the fact that

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part of being a taxpayer means paying for stuff that

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you don't always directly use, whether that's for helping to

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pay for your local K twelve pro you know, school,

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even if your kids are homeschooled or go to a

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private school or out of district. And part of that

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is that it's going to go to on many levels

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to help subsidize in state universities kids, there is always

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a direct neat line between you know, this dollar fifty

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from taxpayer and draper that goes directly into Kyle Whittingham's pocket.

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Probably not. There's I know of a couple of universities

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where there are direct appropriations to athletic departments, but usually

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that isn't how it works. But if it's the money

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that goes to the university general operating budget one year,

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it could get you know, moved around and end up

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as a subsidy to the athletic department in eighteen months. Yeah,

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like those those kind of things happen, and I would

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say that, you know, every athletic department needs to be

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a good steward of the money that they get from taxpayers,

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and the universities need to make sure they're not wasting

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that it's it's it's important money. But not everything that

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gets taxpayer money necessarily needs to be immediately profitable. I

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don't think we ask if our roads to non profit

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or if if some of the other places that we

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that we spend money. I look, if it's if somebody

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wants to get super fired up about that, I think

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it would not be difficult for a Utah fans to

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cut to come up with maybe some of the other

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special tax advantages uh that BYU aligned institutions might get.

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that's just a silly war that's not worth fighting.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's uh you well, that's why I like it's

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Otro Capital and the University of Utah that own this venture.

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It's like, okay, well there's going to be like this

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is what I know about universities, and this is what

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I know about about corporate America and even private equity.

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Creative accounting occurs all the time. So that's the fear

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right of this creative accounting that will subsidize failure as

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well and mortgage like essentially you're mortgaging the potential failure

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of this institution as a taxpayer.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's possible. It's difficult for me to speak

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with real certainty about some of this stuff because the

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university hasn't responded to a bunch of people's grandma requests.

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We don't have the specific financial terms of this arrangement,

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and we don't as the public, don't know exactly what

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happens if it doesn't work out. One of the things

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that comes to being a taxpayer in general. If you

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have a public university that you know, engages in an

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expensive new physics building, or buys an online private university,

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as a couple of public schools have done in the

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Mountain West, or any number of initiatives. Sometimes these things

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don't work, and sometimes you can offset those failures with

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income from other places, and sometimes you get a bailout,

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and then you have to see, Okay, does our state

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have a structure where there's an accountability or force changes.

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If there's that kind of bailout, is there a potential

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taxpayer risk for this particular private equity deal. Maybe I

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don't know enough to speak to how big of a

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risk or how over how long an event horizon, But

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I don't think that what I know right now that

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there's way more taxpayer risk. I think I think there's

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more risk just to the day to day operations they

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have the athletic Department than there would be for Joe

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Speaker 2: Matt Brown, Ladies and gentlemen, Matt best way to support you?

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What you do, how you do it? Over at extra Points?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I mean the best way to support me

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is probably just mail me a check, which you know.

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Speaker 6: I'm yeah, you get Matt Brown, Matt dot Brown, Matt

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dash Brown, ep on venmo I think, but no, the

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best way is to read extra Points.

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Speaker 3: You can find it at extra Points mb dot com.

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There's several free newsletters there on business and policy issues

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in college athletics. We have some games. We have a

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data library full of contracts and financial reports, including the

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one that I cited during this interview, are all available there.

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And then you can also upgrade to a paid subscription,

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which is something that's industry leaders, ads, conference commissioners, agents, entrepreneurs,

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in the state of Utah and all over the country

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do all of the time. So if you want to

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read the stuff that your ad and your professor and

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your football coach you're all reading, head on down to

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extra points MB dot com.

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Speaker 2: Matt Brown, we should let you appreciate you man, always

480
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great content, always right insight. I appreciate you hopping on

481
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to discuss private equity and sports, especially up on the

482
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hill at the University of you up.

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Speaker 3: Of course, can I can I throw one quick bomb

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here into the mix while I have you on the

485
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air before I go all right this, I want to

486
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be careful here. What I am about to propose is

487
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not something that I think has currently happened. I am

488
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lightly trolling about where this opens. But let's let's say

489
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hypothetically the University of Utah and Outrol Capital, this deal

490
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works out. In seven years, OTRO decides to sell their steak.

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They want to sell their steak, maybe not back to

492
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the university, but maybe some other kind of gigantic managed

493
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investments fund that has you know, bits and pieces of

494
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all kinds of industries all over the world, and all

495
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kinds of of excellence, I mean, of operational expertise, but

496
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has a particular interest in things that happen in and

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around Salt Lake City. What I'm proposing, of course critical,

498
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is that the people that buy this next would be

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Ensign Peaks. And if you're going to sell your athletics

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department to institutional investors, who's to say who ends up

501
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buying it next?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: Could it be the LDS Church. I look, my job

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is just to ask questions.

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Speaker 2: I'm I'm sure there's a there's gonna be some sort

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of caveout where Utah has to has to approve the

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venture the sale, that that's something that they would.

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Speaker 3: Aide when there's a will, there's a way. And I joke,

509
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but like we thought we had that role here in Chicago,

510
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and we accidentally sold all of our parking meters to

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like the UAE because the firm that we sold it

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to flipped it to somebody else, And now you can't

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close the street in my neighborhood without going to the

514
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Middle East. I say this jokingly, but there is always

515
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a risk that the deal that you create isn't the

516
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deal you end up within ten years when you start

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selling stuff on the market. And I think that would

518
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be very very funny if if if the church ended

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up in a roundabout way buying part of Utah.

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Speaker 2: The Athletic Department, that would be tremendous. Let's go. Thank you.

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I appreciate that. Thanks so much, Matt Brown. Great, great, yeah,

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thank you. There you go by the way. Tis the

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you Ready BYU versus Clemson on the hardwood. This evening,

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Today we're gonna get into a little reading between the

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line segment with Kevin Young. Get your Prep Getting Ready

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for this BYU basketball game versus Clemson BYU seven and one.

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Right now they're only lost to the Yukon Husky's great

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thus quality loss. As they say in the College Football

557
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Playoff committee room, Clemson is seven and two and this

558
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is a great opportunity at the Jimmy V Classic, taking

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on a fantastic basketball team and a fantastic basketball program.

560
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BYU has that final test of the non conference play

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in New York City. Baby, start spreading the news Madison

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Square Garden at that Jimmy V Classic. The Tigers are

563
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definitely a tournament team in my opinion, and BYU basketball

564
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looks very much like a tournament team, a Sweet sixteen

565
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team right now or better with their talents and abilities

566
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being showcased up to this point. Check this out some

567
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of the storylines here. Jake Wallen plays for the Clemson Tigers.

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A former tim View High School product and a former

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BYU Cougar commit. Decommitted from BAYU after his mission, went

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up to the University of Utah balld out there, and

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now he transferred over to Clemson. We wish him luck.

572
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He's a nice player. Really like him as a player. Also,

573
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Kirk Davidson, no sorry for Nick Davidson, his dad Actually

574
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Kirksey Davidson previously played basketball at b YU He's from

575
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the state of Utah as well, so some connections there

576
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to the state of Utah. But let's get prepped. Let's

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get ready for this matchup with Kevin Young K wise

578
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opening statement on this Cougar basketball team facing Clemson.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think defensively, you know, just having to really

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put together some game plans, obviously garding you know, some

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high level teams with really good players and challenges your

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ability to you know, have an understanding of what's being

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asked from from an execution standpoint on that end of

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the floor. That's probably where I think we've been able

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to gain the most experience.

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Speaker 2: Okay, there you have it. It's Kevin Young. I my

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apologies as we got out. I thought that was the

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opening statement. The question was you mentioned how much you

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want this schedule to test your team. Where have you

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seen the most growth with the tougher, more challenging schedule.

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Let's get into number two. How have you been adjusting

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with Dawson Baker being outed, with that season ending ACL

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surgery and Nate Pickens being injured as well before the

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start of the season.

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Speaker 4: I mean, those guys weren't.

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Speaker 7: Nate was brought here to be kind of a pseudo

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backup point I mean, but the plan all along has

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been for you know, Aj to operate as the backup

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point guard, which we've been able to continue to do.

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Now it's about having you know, uh, you know, finding

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more minutes for some shooting, which Dawson obviously provided us.

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I mean, he Dawson was unique because he could shoot

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and he could handle the ball right, And so where

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is that gonna get made up? I mean, we're giving

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Alex alexey coastitch, you know, a crack at that tough

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night for him the other night. But you know, he's

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had he's he's had a really good run in practice

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and so forth, so we trust him there. And then

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you know, Mahilo obviously much different player, but he came

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in I thought had his best game against cal Baptists.

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So that I could go on and on with the

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point being is we're just gonna have to find it

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by committee. You know, I think between Mahilo, Dawson, excuse me, Mihailo,

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Alexe Dom and Tyler, you know, those are the guys

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that are kind of battling to to pick up some

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of the minutes that that are left on the table.

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Speaker 2: I thought it was an interesting commentary. Nate Pickens was

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never viewed as a point guard. He was more viewed

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as an off guard, shooting uh, scoring guard right uh

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And and so Dawson was unique in his ability to

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be able to handle and uh just be a score

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shooter for this Cougar basket ball team. Two roles, even

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though they they carry the the the g the the

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the guard term on their roster positions, but they were

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two different types of guards. Now, Alexi, he's he's gonna

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have to step up. But Aj as we've talked about

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Ronald the three man weaver, he's always been that backup

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point guard. And look, you can even say he is

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the point guard. I know, I know Rob right the

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third is the guy, but he's I think a J.

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De Bots is right there next to him as the

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primary dual headed ball handling monsters for BYU.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, Rob's ability is to be able to go down

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ben and attack the basket. And like they told him

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and he said, and even in previous media availabilities, Rob

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go downhill, they collapse kicked to the open, you know,

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shooter beIN. That's why they have these scoring guards. That's

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what they brought in Nate Pickens, Dawson you saw until

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he was injured, the development and his shot. That's what

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they had been. It was to run the offense through

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Rob what is it?

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Speaker 3: Aj?

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Speaker 5: And then even Knark little point that those where their

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ball handlers and if you need to throw Richie and

645
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Dawson and you could, but it was never meant for

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Nate to be a backup ball handler. It was always

647
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and Kevin Young just headed to run the offense through

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Rob Wright and AJ Debonsa and been look at the

649
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Yukon game, look at the Terry Chocolate Invitational. You know

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when when they beat Dating, the ball was in whose hands?

651
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Aj to Rob and then you swing. That's what it's

652
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gonna be. That's what it always has been. That was

653
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always a plan. So it does suck because you still

654
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need guard depth to score and to defend the perimeter,

655
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Bin right, because Nate Pickens is a good defending perimeter guard.

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But unfortunately those guys are out for the season now.

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But that is the role now that Kevin Young has told.

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Speaker 2: Us getting back into it, b YU, getting prepped for Clemson.

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We're getting into the Kevin Young sound here on your

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UTI ESPN Ready and Eward by being invited to play

661
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in this Jimmy V Classic. What does that say about

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your program and the growth it has made over the

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last few years.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's humbling, you know, for you know,

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this event, who want us to participate it? Particularly you

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know out here in New York City and in the

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venue of Madison Square Garden. Uh, you know, it's it's

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great for our players. You know, I've obviously been in

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the building quite a few times, but for our guys

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to be able to do it in a kind of

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a cool marquee type college event, I'm excited for those guys.

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I think it's great for just to weere BYU's trending,

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I think in all things, not just basketball, and we're

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trying to uh you know, it's only been a several

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years since we've been.

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Speaker 4: In the Big Twelve, and I think it's really showing.

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Speaker 7: I think what the future of BYU athletics can look like.

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Speaker 2: Future is bright, no doubt about it. And it's uh,

679
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you know. Tip off here in a little under an

680
00:36:42,679 --> 00:36:47,320
hour is b YU looking to knock off the Clemson Tigers,

681
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who are seven to two on the season. A little

682
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breakdown from an analytics standpoint, the and at ken pomp standpoint.

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This is a top twenty five team by US facing

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by obviously ninth and kem pum Clemson twenty five. The

685
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:03,679
net rating for BAYU right now eight and Clemsons at

686
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twenty six, so Bao is only a five and a

687
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half point favorite in this game. Total over unders one

688
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point fifty two point five. Ken Palm predicts a BA

689
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victory by five points sixty seven point cents sixty seven

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percent chance of victory. Getting back to ky sound Kevin

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through one eight. Kevin, what does the process of making

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in game adjustments look like within your coaching staff? How

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often do you stick to the original game plan and

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how often do you have to scrape it or scrap

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it excuse me, and make changes on the fly.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, first of all, thank you for asking dad duties.

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We're a success, so hopefully we're making strides there. But yeah,

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I think, you know, I think it's really tough for

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for our college coaches right now. I've seen some rhetoric

713
00:38:31,119 --> 00:38:34,440
out there the other coaches kind of making the same sentiment.

714
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:36,639
I think for me, it's just an area I've hit

715
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:38,639
head on. I mean, I don't think it's snuck up

716
00:38:38,679 --> 00:38:40,159
on us. I mean it's something we've been trying to

717
00:38:40,199 --> 00:38:44,079
get ahead of really since the summer, and a lot

718
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:46,679
of that stuff, man just takes it just takes time.

719
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,639
Speaker 4: It's organic to the first question about the schedule.

720
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 7: I think, you know, part of playing a tough schedule

721
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:54,760
is traveling, going to these different venues, and guys.

722
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,760
Speaker 4: Are together more, you know.

723
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 7: I think Richie has said this a number of times.

724
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,840
I mean, it's really when you go through hard stuff

725
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,239
as a group. That's what really brings you together, because

726
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,440
you have to unite, you have to figure things out,

727
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:07,440
and I think.

728
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,039
Speaker 4: Our guys have done a pretty good job of that.

729
00:39:09,199 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 7: I mean, I think structurally, you know, we we've had

730
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:17,559
to as coaches think through exactly like this is probably

731
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:18,199
the best way to say.

732
00:39:18,199 --> 00:39:18,519
Speaker 4: I think that.

733
00:39:18,599 --> 00:39:20,960
Speaker 7: Your schemes and your drills and what you do in

734
00:39:21,119 --> 00:39:24,400
practice have to match the mat the identity of your culture.

735
00:39:24,559 --> 00:39:26,760
So whatever you want your culture to be, like, I think,

736
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,320
how you play and how you practice have to go

737
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:31,840
on line with that. So, you know, we've had to

738
00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:36,000
really think through the way that we do things on

739
00:39:36,079 --> 00:39:38,679
a daily basis, is it in fact giving us the

740
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,559
returns that we want as it relates to, you know,

741
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,280
our continuity. So we've tweaked a couple of things in

742
00:39:44,400 --> 00:39:48,000
terms of how we practice, how we drill, and we've

743
00:39:48,039 --> 00:39:51,400
seen some direct correlation and carry over because of it.

744
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: My bad on the question. That question was Kevin, the

745
00:39:56,079 --> 00:39:58,119
last time you spoke with us, you mentioned you were

746
00:39:58,159 --> 00:39:59,920
heading out for dad duties, so hopefully that went well.

747
00:40:00,199 --> 00:40:02,719
How do you evaluate the progress progress at the chemistry

748
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,239
you're you're building with this team, especially with so many

749
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:07,719
new guys. That was that response. But number five, what

750
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,320
does the process of making in game adjustments look like

751
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,960
within your coaching staff? How do how often do you

752
00:40:13,000 --> 00:40:15,199
stick to the original game plan and how often do

753
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,000
you have to scrap it and make changes on the fly.

754
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:20,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, so, going into every game, we usually have a

755
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,480
Plan A and a Plan B as it relates to

756
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:28,159
specific coverages, whether that's pick and roll, whether that's post ups.

757
00:40:28,599 --> 00:40:31,199
Those are usually the two most high volume and or

758
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,679
specific players. You know, if a guy gets going, we

759
00:40:33,800 --> 00:40:35,760
need to turn up the heat on that particular guys.

760
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:40,679
So we're constantly talking about that each time out. You know, hey,

761
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,559
do we want to make an adjustment? Do we want

762
00:40:42,559 --> 00:40:45,400
to go to Plan B? Some of that is prepredicated

763
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:47,519
on what lineups are out there. And then at half

764
00:40:47,599 --> 00:40:49,960
you know, if you ever watched the game closely, I'm

765
00:40:49,960 --> 00:40:53,239
always pointing back to the bench where and that's me

766
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:55,000
asking to pull that clip.

767
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 4: For the halftime edit.

768
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,119
Speaker 7: And we usually I'll usually watch about I don't know

769
00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:03,599
sixteen clips ish as a staff right before we go

770
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,280
address the players, and then we you know, we choose

771
00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:08,639
the ones that we think are going to be the

772
00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,239
most pertinent in terms of things that are hurting us

773
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,800
and either doubling down on what we actually said we

774
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,719
were gonna do or looking at making some adjustment.

775
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:18,000
Speaker 4: So that's usually the process.

776
00:41:20,639 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 2: K Why discussing his BYU basketball team as we prep

777
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,480
for this Clemson matchup in Madison Square Garden? K why

778
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:32,599
you alluded earlier to what being invited means for the program.

779
00:41:33,519 --> 00:41:36,960
You're such an NBA guy, can you talk about playing

780
00:41:37,119 --> 00:41:39,559
in Madison Square Garden? Are you telling your players anything

781
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:41,639
different since this is the mecca of hoops.

782
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 7: I try not to make things that aren't a big

783
00:41:46,079 --> 00:41:48,119
deal a big deal, and so I haven't really hit

784
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:50,719
on it. I mean, we're having shoot We're having shoot

785
00:41:50,760 --> 00:41:53,360
around there tomorrow morning of the game, which I thought was,

786
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,639
you know, important to get in there and just to

787
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:58,880
kind of take them a steak out of, you know,

788
00:41:59,000 --> 00:41:59,760
the evening.

789
00:42:01,079 --> 00:42:01,880
Speaker 4: So that'll be good.

790
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:03,960
Speaker 7: I mean, at the end of the day, it is just,

791
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,840
you know, basketball is basketball, and that's kind of always

792
00:42:06,880 --> 00:42:09,360
been my philosophy. Now I think it's more of just

793
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:13,000
an honor I think to play in the Garden, especially

794
00:42:13,039 --> 00:42:15,360
as a collegiate player. So I think our guys are

795
00:42:15,440 --> 00:42:18,039
just excited. Honestly, I don't think any of these guys

796
00:42:18,119 --> 00:42:20,920
are like, you know, this isn't too big of a moment.

797
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:22,800
I think they're just excited to get out there and

798
00:42:23,480 --> 00:42:25,639
and compete in that in that building, which is so

799
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:27,559
you know, historic.

800
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Madison Square Garden. This is uh, this is a place

801
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:38,840
where so many basketball memories were made for fans, for media, members,

802
00:42:38,920 --> 00:42:43,000
for players, for coaches for so long. I mean, look,

803
00:42:43,039 --> 00:42:46,159
I I went out there in BYU Basketball's n I

804
00:42:46,239 --> 00:42:47,920
T run. They made it to the Final four, they

805
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,800
lost to Valpo. It was a great team, fantastic year,

806
00:42:51,280 --> 00:42:55,239
and many memories were made out there in NYC. And

807
00:42:55,639 --> 00:42:58,000
so we wish them luck. We Yeah, you've been out

808
00:42:58,039 --> 00:42:58,719
there too, Ronnie.

809
00:42:59,079 --> 00:43:02,519
Speaker 5: Yeah, remember last I got you know, I was out

810
00:43:02,519 --> 00:43:05,480
there for the you know, the Sweet sixteen when Bill

811
00:43:05,559 --> 00:43:07,800
you played Alabama. Ben, I got a chance to go

812
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:09,880
not only to a game in Madison Square Garden, but

813
00:43:09,960 --> 00:43:11,880
also got to go to Barkley Center and see the

814
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,599
Brooklyn Nets. It's way different than the Mecca, is completely different.

815
00:43:15,679 --> 00:43:17,920
The atmosphere to be able to sit, you know, and

816
00:43:18,000 --> 00:43:20,280
stanton Madison's or gardener where Reggie Miller hit the shot,

817
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:23,239
where everybody comes where Spike Lee has I saw him

818
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:25,079
as court side season tickets.

819
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:25,760
Speaker 4: It's crazy.

820
00:43:25,800 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 5: There's nothing like being a Madison Square garden.

821
00:43:28,119 --> 00:43:31,079
Speaker 2: Truly a unique place, no doubt about it. Let's get

822
00:43:31,119 --> 00:43:34,159
on to Clemson. Little scattering report. Clemson has two Utah

823
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:36,280
kids on the roster, a little unusual. What is your

824
00:43:36,360 --> 00:43:38,840
scattering report on them and the challenges they present?

825
00:43:40,159 --> 00:43:43,679
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, super familiar with you know, wha Leen and

826
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:45,800
uh and Welling.

827
00:43:47,519 --> 00:43:49,039
Speaker 4: You both good players.

828
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,639
Speaker 7: And then and fit kind of how they play at Clemson,

829
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:55,800
they usually got a slew of bigger players, which they

830
00:43:55,880 --> 00:44:00,960
care they do now very physical, very uh, try to

831
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:03,639
beat you up. They're very good with within the post,

832
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:06,280
but also have some guards who are who are dynamics.

833
00:44:06,320 --> 00:44:08,119
So so it presents a little bit of a challenge

834
00:44:08,199 --> 00:44:10,599
because of how how much they try to beat you

835
00:44:10,639 --> 00:44:12,920
in the paint. So it'll be a little bit of

836
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,960
a contrasting style with our kind of more of our

837
00:44:16,079 --> 00:44:18,719
our spacing versus their size. And so that's that's an

838
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:20,559
area that we've we've kind of looked at and try

839
00:44:20,599 --> 00:44:22,519
to look at areas that we can exploit on.

840
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: Offensive end and defensively how we can kind of.

841
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,639
Speaker 7: You know, combat that we looked at what we did

842
00:44:28,679 --> 00:44:33,400
against against Wisconsin. There are a few similarities there, but

843
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,159
I think that's kind of where their bread is buttered.

844
00:44:35,159 --> 00:44:36,159
Speaker 4: They're really organized.

845
00:44:36,159 --> 00:44:38,639
Speaker 7: The coach does a really good job of of of Uh,

846
00:44:39,239 --> 00:44:40,880
that's kind of what I look for when I'm when

847
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:42,239
i'm when I'm watching tape.

848
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 4: Are they organized?

849
00:44:43,360 --> 00:44:44,800
Speaker 7: Cause I think that's kind of a good coach and

850
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:47,960
they clearly are. So they've had a tough schedule too,

851
00:44:48,159 --> 00:44:50,559
you know, they've they've played some some good teams, and

852
00:44:51,760 --> 00:44:54,239
you know it'll be it'll be a fun matchup against another,

853
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,000
you know, power conference type team.

854
00:44:57,679 --> 00:45:01,840
Speaker 2: Little scouting and report on this, uh, this square odd matchups.

855
00:45:02,679 --> 00:45:09,360
RJ Godfrey baller, leading scorer, rebounder, definitely physical inside twelve

856
00:45:09,360 --> 00:45:12,800
point one points per game, six point four rebounds. Kebri

857
00:45:12,920 --> 00:45:17,719
Cata's got a tall task ahead of him, no doubt

858
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,360
about it. How do you see this game, though, Ronald

859
00:45:20,440 --> 00:45:22,840
the three man weaver, give me your scattering report on

860
00:45:22,960 --> 00:45:24,920
Clemson and how this game plays out.

861
00:45:25,119 --> 00:45:27,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, Kevin just mentioned it. Ben, I've gone and I

862
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,039
watched my tape. It's kind of like what Clemson did

863
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,960
last year. They have a good identity. Love what the

864
00:45:31,000 --> 00:45:33,480
coach has done over there. They get long athletic for

865
00:45:33,599 --> 00:45:35,559
us that can beat you up inside, that play the post,

866
00:45:35,760 --> 00:45:38,039
but they can also pass and get it out as well. Now,

867
00:45:38,079 --> 00:45:39,880
I think the biggest thing is can you limit the

868
00:45:39,960 --> 00:45:43,079
inside point paints and force Clemson to take tough threes,

869
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:44,920
force them to take tough twos and they get the

870
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,320
one on one matchup. This is where this is gonna

871
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,239
be BYU's get back game, Ben, And when I mean

872
00:45:49,280 --> 00:45:51,800
get back is when they played Yukon. Remember Yukon have

873
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,559
physical bigs and a little bit different than Clemson, but

874
00:45:54,679 --> 00:45:57,199
got beat up inside. Couldn't stop it. Right now, we

875
00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,320
know Kba Kata got knocked out of the game very early.

876
00:45:59,599 --> 00:46:01,880
Don't think that will happen tonight. You're knock on wood steal.

877
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:04,000
That's gonna be the game of can you just shut everything?

878
00:46:04,079 --> 00:46:04,199
Speaker 2: Now?

879
00:46:04,280 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 5: That goes through RJ. Goffrey and not just him, Carson,

880
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:10,239
excuse me not Carson Carter Welling. Also kim Ball two

881
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:13,360
been like those guys combined for over twenty twenty two

882
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,519
points per game and they're gonna be on the boards.

883
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:17,840
I think that's gonna be the biggest factors forcing them

884
00:46:17,880 --> 00:46:19,960
to take tough threes. I got BYU winning this one.

885
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:21,079
This is gonna be a close ball game.

886
00:46:21,119 --> 00:46:21,440
Speaker 2: I got this.

887
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 5: I think Clemson actually does cover the spread. I don't

888
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,199
know if BYU will, just because of it being on

889
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,360
a neutral side and how far out. And this Clemson

890
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:32,400
team good been twenty six in net ranking like BYU

891
00:46:32,599 --> 00:46:34,960
is is number eight their top ten. But look, they

892
00:46:35,039 --> 00:46:37,840
beat Georgia on a neutral so they're able to go

893
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:38,719
in and beat BYU.

894
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:39,320
Speaker 4: It's capable.

895
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 2: They can do it.

896
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:41,760
Speaker 5: They won that game ninety seven ninety four, but they

897
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:44,079
lost to Alabama, right who's number twelve to the inn

898
00:46:44,119 --> 00:46:46,239
that they lost ninety to eighty four. That was in

899
00:46:46,320 --> 00:46:49,119
a true away setting. Also lost a Quad two game

900
00:46:49,159 --> 00:46:51,400
to Georgetown. But guess what, they beat a Big twelve

901
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,199
team already. They beat West Virginia on a neutral site

902
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,440
and that's a Quad three win. So this Clemson team

903
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,559
has been tested. They play early, and they're coming off

904
00:46:58,599 --> 00:47:00,920
of lost Alabama. They're looking for to get in there,

905
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,599
get back against BYU. So this is gonna be a dogfight.

906
00:47:03,639 --> 00:47:05,760
I expected to be close. I expected to be kind

907
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:07,480
of like the Villanova game, where boy, you will have

908
00:47:07,559 --> 00:47:09,360
a lead, claims it will make a late push, but

909
00:47:09,480 --> 00:47:11,360
BYU will come out with it. But we're in for

910
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:14,079
a treat bent little less than forty five minutes and

911
00:47:14,119 --> 00:47:15,800
tip off will be in Madison's regard.

912
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:19,519
Speaker 2: For those that are in New York, last thing for

913
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:23,400
Ky they had to at least do a little field trip, right,

914
00:47:23,559 --> 00:47:26,079
learn something, do something fun. What did you guys have

915
00:47:26,199 --> 00:47:28,400
planned last night? Any fun activities in the city.

916
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, I ain't nothing. Nothing on the tourist front.

917
00:47:32,639 --> 00:47:34,079
Speaker 7: These guys will get out of here and go take

918
00:47:34,159 --> 00:47:38,559
care of some some some academic uh responsibilities, and then

919
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:40,880
we're doing uh, We're gonna we have a team dinner

920
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:41,599
plan tonight.

921
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:43,920
Speaker 4: That's that should be a good time.

922
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:45,480
Speaker 7: That's usually what we try to do when we go

923
00:47:45,559 --> 00:47:48,119
out on the on the road and I think anything,

924
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,119
I mean, New York is such a cool place. I mean,

925
00:47:50,159 --> 00:47:52,599
you could do something extremely ordinary, but with the fact

926
00:47:52,639 --> 00:47:54,679
that it's in New York, it just makes it cooler.

927
00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:58,400
Speaker 4: So I'm excited to just kind of honestly just get in.

928
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:00,199
Speaker 7: The bus and see the city and then go and

929
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,000
have a good meal with the guys and enjoy each

930
00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:02,599
other's company.

931
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:07,840
Speaker 2: There go that was kay Wygan, you praya get you're

932
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,639
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