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Speaker 5: all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO
Speaker 5: Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest comes to us from New York State.
Speaker 5: Sido will be sharing experiences that blurred are lines between
Speaker 5: the paranormal and the occult. From an encounter in a
Speaker 5: clearing in the woods where a man appeared to have vanished,
Speaker 5: to a night frozen in fear beneath a shifting black
Speaker 5: mass that hovered over her bed, Shiloh's story is layered
Speaker 5: with moments that devine explanation. Growing up within Pagan and
Speaker 5: Wiccan traditions, Shidow recalls rituals where something seemed to answer,
Speaker 5: leaving her with haunting questions about what was truly summoned.
Speaker 5: This is a journey through shadows, belief, and the mysteries
Speaker 5: that linger. Just add a sight. Shiloh is up next.
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Speaker 6: with the show. Hello, Shiloh, welcome to the podcast.
Speaker 3: Hello, thank you for having me on.
Speaker 5: You are more than welcome. It is great to have
Speaker 5: you with us. And you're calling from New York state. Yep, wonderful. Okay, Now, Shiloh,
Speaker 5: you have several experiences you're going to be sharing with us.
Speaker 5: Would you light start at the beginning, please.
Speaker 2: Ma'am for sure, So I will kind of go through
Speaker 2: my timeline that is somewhat chronological. So I've noticed that
Speaker 2: weird stuff kind of always follows me. It's kind of
Speaker 2: been stacking since I was young. So when we start,
Speaker 2: I'm going to start when I was fifteen at a
Speaker 2: strange pagan ritual. When I was young, I was raised pagan. However,
Speaker 2: the churches that we went two were not like recognized
Speaker 2: pagan churches. They were just kind of groups and meetups,
Speaker 2: so we practiced pretty regularly.
Speaker 3: This was not like a super weird thing.
Speaker 2: However, one day, when I was older, around fifteen, one
Speaker 2: of the rituals we were doing was a little bit different.
Speaker 2: The intention was to bring forth some sort of spirit
Speaker 2: of abundance. But I think we brought forth something a
Speaker 2: little bit different the ritual. We just burned a few
Speaker 2: things on the altar like we normally would, but the
Speaker 2: one difference is that we burned our own hair as
Speaker 2: part of this. When we left that situation the ritual,
Speaker 2: we came home and I felt a very heavy vibe.
Speaker 3: It was really dark and just kind of like all
Speaker 3: over me.
Speaker 2: Then would I was sleeping in my basement at the time,
Speaker 2: because we live in upstate New York, so the temperature
Speaker 2: is really difficult to maintain.
Speaker 3: How are my basement was nice and.
Speaker 2: Cool, and it was attached to part of the deeper
Speaker 2: basement which had a roots set in it, which I
Speaker 2: thought was a very I thought was a really sketchy
Speaker 2: area because it was really dark and deep in the
Speaker 2: back of our basement. So in the bedroom that I
Speaker 2: had that was like off of this basement. After this ritual,
Speaker 2: I was laying in bed and I noticed my closet
Speaker 2: door open that was connected to the deep part of
Speaker 2: the basement, and this black silk figure that was like
Speaker 2: draped in fabric came out from it and over my
Speaker 2: bed and sat above me for what felt like an hour.
Speaker 2: Looking back, I'm pretty sure that I was experiencing sleep paralysis.
Speaker 2: But it was easily the scariest situation that I had
Speaker 2: ever been in. This floating face that was just silky
Speaker 2: and almost liquity stared at me for what felt like
Speaker 2: an hour. So I never went back to those kinds
Speaker 2: of rituals afterwards, because I felt like there was some
Speaker 2: kind of thing that happened that shouldn't have happened. So,
Speaker 2: continuing on the same house story, I call it the
Speaker 2: Man in the Forest. There was a forest clearing that
Speaker 2: I would often go to deep in the woods. We
Speaker 2: lived on a farmhouse, so there was many many acres
Speaker 2: like behind our house. I actually have a picture of
Speaker 2: the aerial view of this house to just show you
Speaker 2: the depth behind There's this big tree line probably one
Speaker 2: mile behind the house that you could enter and if
Speaker 2: you walked two or three miles into it, and then
Speaker 2: two or three miles into it, you would get to
Speaker 2: a slight clearing. And that's the clearing that I liked
Speaker 2: to hang out on all the time. But I was
Speaker 2: specifically not allowed to be in this clearing or in
Speaker 2: the woods at all because it was hunting season.
Speaker 3: And it was deep in the woods.
Speaker 2: So I liked it to be a little bit defiant,
Speaker 2: and I would often have lunch back there. So one day,
Speaker 2: it was probably fifteen maybe sixteen at the time, about
Speaker 2: six months before I left this house, so I snuck
Speaker 2: back with my orange vest to be safe. I was
Speaker 2: in the clearing and I heard a voice behind me.
Speaker 2: And I had heard voices in this part of the
Speaker 2: woods many times. I'd heard footsteps and just kind of
Speaker 2: strange occurrences, but this time was a little bit different.
Speaker 3: I didn't hear any animal sounds.
Speaker 2: It became kind of unnaturally quiet right after I heard
Speaker 2: this man's voice, and I hear him say what are
Speaker 2: you doing? And I turn around and it's a man
Speaker 2: just standing there. He looks quite young and confused. But
Speaker 2: he's also wearing clothing that is inappropriate for the area.
Speaker 2: He's wearing no neons, and he's also wearing summer attire
Speaker 2: in dark colors. And anyone who's been in Upstate, especially
Speaker 2: in the forest area during hunting season, knows that that is.
Speaker 3: A terrible idea.
Speaker 2: But also it's very cold, so for him to be
Speaker 2: dressed in summer clothes is very strange. I ask him,
Speaker 2: who are you, And before he could respond, he just
Speaker 2: looks equally confused at me, and then steps to the
Speaker 2: side behind a birch tree, but disappears as he's stepping
Speaker 2: into it, so there would be no space for him
Speaker 2: to disappear. I immediately run towards him to see what
Speaker 2: that was like. Maybe he's standing sideways or something, but
Speaker 2: there's no place for him to be.
Speaker 3: He has absolutely disappeared.
Speaker 2: Gone fast forwarding a little bit, so, I think I've
Speaker 2: mentioned it a little bit previously, But I did ghost
Speaker 2: hunting pretty regularly. Many strange experiences in that, But the
Speaker 2: one that's really notable was when I was seventeen, I
Speaker 2: went to Rolling Hills Asylum in East Bethany, New York
Speaker 2: on a private tour with ghost Hunters International and the
Speaker 2: Psychic Chip Coffee.
Speaker 3: We did this whole tour.
Speaker 2: It was very interesting, couple of strange things, but the
Speaker 2: most weird thing was when we went to the Child's
Speaker 2: Spirit room, and it was called the Christmas Tree Room
Speaker 2: because there was a Christmas tree in it and supposedly
Speaker 2: had a couple child spirits in it that liked to
Speaker 2: play with balls, and one of them was the spirit
Speaker 2: named Annalise, who everyone thought embodied this doll that was
Speaker 2: in the room. So I was left in this room
Speaker 2: in the Christmas tree room to interact with Annalise for.
Speaker 3: A little while.
Speaker 2: I played with a ball with her and I could
Speaker 2: consistently get her to move the ball or kind of
Speaker 2: respond to questions with my ghostbox that had like lights
Speaker 2: on it. There was a man in that room with
Speaker 2: me who was wearing coveralls, and he didn't say anything,
Speaker 2: never really interacted with me. Was just there on the
Speaker 2: tour also, I assumed. So when I left, I was
Speaker 2: gifted the doll. It was signed by the entire crew members,
Speaker 2: and I took it home. But at the time, I asked, Hey,
Speaker 2: what about that guy that was in the room with me,
Speaker 2: And I felt bad that I was the one that
Speaker 2: got the doll and not him, because everyone got some
Speaker 2: kind of trinket from this location. And they looked at
Speaker 2: me kind of confused and said, well, there was no
Speaker 2: man in that room. I immediately was confused by that,
Speaker 2: because there definitely was a man in that room when
Speaker 2: I was ghost hunting. But looking back, he was dressed strangely.
Speaker 2: So it was the deep winter and there's no heating
Speaker 2: in this entire asylum, but he was wearing just coveralls, no.
Speaker 3: Hat, no gloves, which was very strange at the time. Also.
Speaker 2: So those are my three main stories about my experiences,
Speaker 2: but I will add one small strange happening as well.
Speaker 3: So in the house that I.
Speaker 2: Currently live in, when we were going through the buying
Speaker 2: process of it, we first saw the house, we loved it,
Speaker 2: We saw the entire house, we did the whole house tour.
Speaker 3: We noticed one attic was decent.
Speaker 2: However, it was a little bit grungy, not overly accessible,
Speaker 2: kind of inconvenient. Fast forward, we're going through the buying process.
Speaker 2: We keep having these very strange interactions with the seller.
Speaker 2: They're asking us really weird and specific things about our
Speaker 2: past and what we're bringing and what we want from
Speaker 2: the house.
Speaker 3: Anyway, fast forward a little bit.
Speaker 2: We're in the closing process of the house and we
Speaker 2: find out that there's a second attic, which we find
Speaker 2: very strange because there was no place for the attic
Speaker 2: to be when we did the first walk through.
Speaker 3: We think that's kind of an aside.
Speaker 2: So we close on the house, and the day after
Speaker 2: we close on the house, we find out that the
Speaker 2: person that we bought it from, Unfortunately, I don't know
Speaker 2: how to say this in the most a respectful way,
Speaker 2: but he unfortunately killed himself in the house, and that
Speaker 2: was disclosed to us during slightly after the closing process,
Speaker 2: and we found out after we moved in from the
Speaker 2: neighbor that that incident apparently happened in the second attic
Speaker 2: that we didn't know about, and he had been involved
Speaker 2: in some very strange occult stuff previously. So because we
Speaker 2: live in New York, that was a forced disclosure to
Speaker 2: us when we bought the house. However, the timeframe in
Speaker 2: which we bought it, we only found out because of
Speaker 2: our neighbor, so no one told us about that previous
Speaker 2: to buying the house. So when we finally do move
Speaker 2: in and all of the movies were here, with all
Speaker 2: of our boxes and stuff, we do discover the second attic,
Speaker 2: which is a very strange location through like a bathroom
Speaker 2: up a weird staircase.
Speaker 3: So since then, I've had it cleansed and spiritually cleaned,
Speaker 3: I would say, but I don't know. I feel like
Speaker 3: I had to add that one in.
Speaker 2: My husband felt very passionately about adding that strange addition
Speaker 2: to my stories.
Speaker 5: Whoa interesting He was sharing that when you sold a
Speaker 5: house in the States, did they not have to disclose
Speaker 5: the fact that the previous owner would have passed away.
Speaker 2: So that's a state by state issue, but in New
Speaker 2: York State, they absolutely do not have to disclose that
Speaker 2: unless it was a part of a violent crime, which
Speaker 2: this was not. And we also closed like the day
Speaker 2: before he died.
Speaker 5: I see, and I know you said you had it cleansed,
Speaker 5: but how does the house feel?
Speaker 3: So there's a reason I had it cleansed.
Speaker 2: It felt very heavy and very weird for the first
Speaker 2: couple of weeks we moved into it.
Speaker 3: And that's part of how we found out to begin with.
Speaker 2: As we mentioned to our neighbor that you're having some
Speaker 2: strange happenings.
Speaker 3: I kept seeing.
Speaker 2: I mean obviously didn't tell him this specifically because I
Speaker 2: didn't want him to think I was crazy. I just
Speaker 2: told him the house felt weird, and he immediately disclosed
Speaker 2: the story. But I was seeing lots of shadow figures
Speaker 2: and hearing lots of strange voices in this house. It
Speaker 2: was very reminiscent of my childhood home. So I was
Speaker 2: very quick to find any priests that would come in
Speaker 2: and cleanse this house. I mean, I don't believe in
Speaker 2: anymore but I even burn stage in that place just
Speaker 2: to try to get anything a little bit better.
Speaker 3: It was really really.
Speaker 5: Dark, and that those feelings have all moved on. Now
Speaker 5: how long have you been in the house.
Speaker 2: About three years now, and I can't fully say they've
Speaker 2: moved on, But there is some sections of the house
Speaker 2: that feel more positive than others. But there's definitely been
Speaker 2: like a consistent weight that's carried with the house. And
Speaker 2: maybe that's just the circumstances of some things in my
Speaker 2: life as well, but no, it's definitely obvious that there
Speaker 2: are some places in the house that feel, for lack
Speaker 2: of a better word, just dark.
Speaker 5: So it could be maybe just share in the house.
Speaker 2: Maybe my neighbor was kind of convinced that the reason
Speaker 2: that the previous owner and in his own life was
Speaker 2: part of the house. And I'm not sure if he
Speaker 2: just watched Amityville Horror too much or if he's onto something,
Speaker 2: but that's always kind of been a thought in the
Speaker 2: back of my mind.
Speaker 5: If he was, you know, engaged in the occult, is
Speaker 5: a very good chance he could have been doing stuff there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, we were kind of concerned about that too,
Speaker 2: and we looked very deeply into the artifacts that were
Speaker 2: left and disposed of all of them as best as
Speaker 2: we could. But yeah, there was definitely some strange things
Speaker 2: going on and in the attic that we didn't know about.
Speaker 5: And you know, having been involved in Paganism and Wiccan,
Speaker 5: how would you dispose of something like that that possibly
Speaker 5: could be could be charged. I mean you can just
Speaker 5: throw something like that, can you?
Speaker 2: I think it really depends on your spiritual perspective. So
Speaker 2: I think another point of clarification here is that I'm
Speaker 2: he was definitely not involved with pagan or Wickan things.
Speaker 2: He was definitely involved with want assign a title to it,
Speaker 2: but more close to like Satanism or the dark end
Speaker 2: of occult things. When you would encounter artifacts from like
Speaker 2: a Pagan or Wiccan ritual, I would say you could
Speaker 2: probably just throw them away, especially if you believe more
Speaker 2: from a Christian perspective.
Speaker 3: The stuff about what he was.
Speaker 2: Messing with concerned me more deeply because I've heard kind
Speaker 2: of maybe just rumors about that you're not supposed to
Speaker 2: burn things with fire. So I just threw them out
Speaker 2: and prayed over them. But I don't know if that
Speaker 2: was the right choice. It's kind of a between a
Speaker 2: rock at a hard play situation?
Speaker 5: Interesting and have you always been attracted to the paranormal?
Speaker 5: Always the paranorm would be attracted to you.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, that was kind of why I got into ghost
Speaker 2: hunting to begin with. I really don't love to talk
Speaker 2: about it now because I think it's currently my perspective
Speaker 2: is that it's demons. But when I was young, it
Speaker 2: was believed that I was psychic and could communicate with spirits,
Speaker 2: and that's specifically why the ghost hunting team wanted me
Speaker 2: to be present. And that's also why I did ghost
Speaker 2: hunting like in my small team, aside from the ghost
Speaker 2: hunter's international experience that I had.
Speaker 5: So now you've taken a completely different route, you know,
Speaker 5: really involved in paganism anymore?
Speaker 3: Absolutely not. I fully renounced that when I was about eighteen.
Speaker 5: I mean, some people could argue that there is a
Speaker 5: good side and there is a bad side. It kind
Speaker 5: of just depends on the way someone practices.
Speaker 2: I would absolutely agree there is definitely a good side
Speaker 2: and a bad side.
Speaker 3: I'm pretty confident that I was on.
Speaker 2: A bad side growing up, but my perspective's deeply changed,
Speaker 2: and I'm I mean, I found Jesus when I was
Speaker 2: about twenty and I've been on that kind of journey
Speaker 2: since then, so looking back, I feel very differently than
Speaker 2: I did at the time. But I think that's the
Speaker 2: case with anyone who grows up. I definitely don't want
Speaker 2: my stories to like reflect negatively on paganism. It's a
Speaker 2: really individual religion, and my experience was pretty unique to me.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that was your journey. Yeah, and I think we
Speaker 5: all when we're younger, we do tend to get rebellious,
Speaker 5: and we do venture down different paths, experimenting with different things.
Speaker 5: It can lead us into places, or at least we
Speaker 5: can get led astray by other individuals.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is absolutely true.
Speaker 2: The person who ran that church that I was through
Speaker 2: had some very strong ideals about what could be done
Speaker 2: with paganism that I'm not sure would be shared by
Speaker 2: everyone who practices.
Speaker 5: You can see in the occult and many different techniques
Speaker 5: and practices tend to get splintered off and go along
Speaker 5: their different route. Yeah. You know you grew up in
Speaker 5: that kind of environment. Was it parents were practicing.
Speaker 3: My mother was, My father was kind of always atheistic.
Speaker 5: So growing up you'd have crystals and candors things like
Speaker 5: that scattered around the house.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we had a few altars or like little sand
Speaker 2: spot that was very normal in my house.
Speaker 5: But my member was you know, she was never practice
Speaker 5: in Wickham, but she was mad into crystals. I'd find
Speaker 5: them under my pillow and all kinds of stuff when
Speaker 5: I was younger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a belief that they can heal you or
Speaker 2: help in many many ways.
Speaker 5: I think to a degree, you know, they did work
Speaker 5: because I did go for a stage when I was
Speaker 5: younger of having horrific nightmares and seemed to cease because
Speaker 5: of these crystals. My mem believed that, and to a
Speaker 5: degree I think I did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I mean whatever works. I definitely don't think
Speaker 2: crystals don't fully work. There's definitely some kind of energy
Speaker 2: behind them. But I think your intention has a huge
Speaker 2: aspect to that intention.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I definitely believe that. What is your earliest aeronormal
Speaker 5: memory you have of being involved in these type of rituals.
Speaker 2: In the rituals, probably when I was seven or eight
Speaker 2: I got allowed to be to join. Previous to that,
Speaker 2: I was just not allowed and I would just be
Speaker 2: part of like the at home alters and rituals and
Speaker 2: stuff which would just involve putting something physically on an
Speaker 2: altar and then doing a little kind of prayer situation.
Speaker 5: And was this a generational thing? I mean, your mother,
Speaker 5: was your grandmother involved in anything like this?
Speaker 2: No, I am from a long line of Catholics. I'm
Speaker 2: not really sure where my mom got this from, but
Speaker 2: she spent a long time in the city when she
Speaker 2: was young, in her early career, and when she moved
Speaker 2: back upstate after that, she seems to have had a
Speaker 2: big religious turning and was very devoutly into paganism for
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 5: Okay, take us back to this black Mass. Now you're
Speaker 5: doing a ritual that was called the Spirit of abundance.
Speaker 5: Can you just explain to us what it is and
Speaker 5: what it would entail.
Speaker 2: So, like I said, the place that I was going,
Speaker 2: or the church that I was going, I suppose was
Speaker 2: hosted by a woman who kind of followed her own ideals.
Speaker 2: So I don't think this is necessarily this might not
Speaker 2: be necessarily like a wreckized thing that was done, But
Speaker 2: the goal was to bring forth a spirit for the
Speaker 2: purpose of abundance in the people that were summoning it.
Speaker 2: So either money or career goals or love, whatever your
Speaker 2: abundance might seek. We all put in a cutting of
Speaker 2: our hair, and we put in a bunch of other
Speaker 2: kind of strange things that people were offering. I don't
Speaker 2: even remember what they were specifically, but they were like
Speaker 2: necklaces and I think a rabbit's foot, like items of luck,
Speaker 2: and they were all put into this bowl that we
Speaker 2: would burn things in. And this was an outdoor ceremony obviously,
Speaker 2: so we just kind of lit a fire and burned
Speaker 2: it all and did like a chant, kind of holding
Speaker 2: hands around this bowl. That was pretty normal. That was
Speaker 2: kind of what the ceremonies looked like. The only thing
Speaker 2: that I found really strange about this particular ceremony was
Speaker 2: the inclusion of our own hair. That was never something
Speaker 2: that had been done previously. I personally believe that was
Speaker 2: an aspect of why that ritual went so strangely, the use.
Speaker 5: Of hair when it comes to like poppets and dolls
Speaker 5: and that type of thing, don't you yes, And.
Speaker 2: That was done also, But so there were other previous
Speaker 2: rituals that one person would include their hair if they
Speaker 2: were striving for something in particular, like a new job
Speaker 2: or a love interest, was always very specific like this,
Speaker 2: but the inclusion of all of our hair. I think
Speaker 2: was the strange part that it wasn't so specific. It
Speaker 2: was just kind of generally being thrown into the universe.
Speaker 5: I remember we lived in a really old build in
Speaker 5: years and years ago and we found in the basement
Speaker 5: this package and it was wrapped up in a pouch,
Speaker 5: so there was hair in there. There was some really
Speaker 5: old nails all wrapped up, and it had been there
Speaker 5: a long time. It wasn't something which just turned up
Speaker 5: one day, but kind of had an idea what that
Speaker 5: could have been.
Speaker 2: Yeah, generally anything that involves hair. I want nothing to do.
Speaker 2: Is that's the kind of the darkest occult stuff that
Speaker 2: we encountered. And I will say that that kind of
Speaker 2: artifact was the kind of thing I found in the.
Speaker 3: House when we moved in.
Speaker 5: Oh really just like that.
Speaker 2: Uh, pretty similar, like hair wrapped around nails. Just kind
Speaker 2: of like little but strange things like that.
Speaker 5: Okay, and this black mass. Could you make any facial details.
Speaker 2: No more than like the fact that it had eyes,
Speaker 2: a place for a nose, and not even really at mouth.
Speaker 3: It was very vague, but it was definitely a face
Speaker 3: that was quite obvious, like.
Speaker 2: Its eyes were sunken in enough to easily see that
Speaker 2: those were placements for eyes.
Speaker 5: You can tell if it looked male or female or
Speaker 5: anything like that.
Speaker 2: It felt male, but no, there was no like obvious. No,
Speaker 2: there was nothing obvious about it. But it felt male.
Speaker 5: And you said it hung over for about an hour.
Speaker 3: That's what it felt like.
Speaker 2: And in reflection, I've learned about sleep paralysis and that's
Speaker 2: probably what that situation was.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it felt like a solid hour.
Speaker 2: I didn't have clocks in the room, so I couldn't
Speaker 2: verify it, but in reflection and in experience, it definitely
Speaker 2: felt about that long.
Speaker 5: I have an experienced sleep paralysis when I was younger.
Speaker 5: It's scary. You couldn't move yourself. You just had to
Speaker 5: basically just see this mass hovering above you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just staring at this thing while it met my
Speaker 2: eyes for a very long time, and.
Speaker 5: It's still quite clear in your mind.
Speaker 2: Extremely so it's as clear as I'm looking out my
Speaker 2: window right now.
Speaker 5: And that came directly after doing his ritual.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was probably two or three hours later. It
Speaker 3: was that night.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean that definitely does sign it. So it's related.
Speaker 2: I definitely think so. And I refused to go to
Speaker 2: ceremonies thereafter. That was one of the one of the
Speaker 2: big catalysts in my life that started my change of heart.
Speaker 2: But I had some life circumstances that happened after that
Speaker 2: instance that also, like in hindsight, I definitely think they
Speaker 2: were all connected. I do not think the thing that
Speaker 2: we summoned was a spirit of abundance.
Speaker 3: I genuinely just think we summoned a demon of some kind.
Speaker 2: I think that sounds kind of crazy now, but having
Speaker 2: experienced what I did and the circumstances of my life thereafter,
Speaker 2: I don't really have a better word for it.
Speaker 5: Was there anything that you did directly after that to
Speaker 5: maybe counteract it, or is there anything that you did.
Speaker 2: Do Not really, I was young and just kind of terrified,
Speaker 2: so I just accepted my terror that night, and besides
Speaker 2: refusing to go to rituals thereafter, No, I didn't really
Speaker 2: do anything. I just kind of lived in fear for
Speaker 2: a while, and I watched my personal life kind of
Speaker 2: crumble around me for the next couple of years until
Speaker 2: I left that house and then things started getting a
Speaker 2: little bit better. I personally believe there was a lot
Speaker 2: of stuff going on at that house. There was a
Speaker 2: lot of very strange situations at that house, and I
Speaker 2: think our participation in those rituals brought many things back
Speaker 2: to that physical house.
Speaker 5: Also, definitely certain energies in a house, you know, I
Speaker 5: think we've all lived in houses where they have certain
Speaker 5: ominous feelings and it can make you react and behave
Speaker 5: in in different ways, be angry or time, you could
Speaker 5: be depressed, you could be stressed, and that could be
Speaker 5: directly correlated with some of these energies that reside in houses.
Speaker 5: Like you said, you know, as soon as you leave
Speaker 5: and move away and go somewhere else, things change.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I formally and fundamentally believe that that house had some
Speaker 2: kind of very bad energy into it. The relationships that
Speaker 2: were in it were very strained. It was a very
Speaker 2: angry house, and I just think it was the house
Speaker 2: itself because all of those problems were alleviated with then,
Speaker 2: I don't know, even weeks of leaving the.
Speaker 5: House, and some places they can be cleansed and knock
Speaker 5: the house down and don't build anything on that land again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you just got to do that.
Speaker 2: I live quite far from the house now, so whoever
Speaker 2: lives there, I'm hoping they're having a good time there,
Speaker 2: maybe a better one than I did.
Speaker 5: Have you ever fought knocking and saying you experiencing anything here?
Speaker 3: No, for many reasons.
Speaker 2: It's first of all, it's a really it would be
Speaker 2: really weird for me to show up there. It's kind
Speaker 2: of out of the way, so it would be I'd
Speaker 2: be driving a long way to be there, and they,
Speaker 2: the owners of the house, would probably think I'm crazy
Speaker 2: to be arriving at their house. I also have him
Speaker 2: at the man who bought the house, and he does
Speaker 2: not seem like the kind of guy who would be
Speaker 2: interested in that kind of conversation.
Speaker 5: Is probably best not to Plus, you also don't want
Speaker 5: to get back into that sphere of influence of the house.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, like whatever is going on with that house is
Speaker 2: going on with that house. I have found my own
Speaker 2: spiritual journey and I am very uninterested in going backwards.
Speaker 5: Do you think practice in these rich will tend to
Speaker 5: open you up a little bit more to experience things?
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and in hindsight, I would never participate in modern day.
Speaker 2: I've had a pretty big spiritual change since then, So
Speaker 2: looking back, I definitely think we were summoning things we
Speaker 2: didn't intend to and I don't think the people participating
Speaker 2: really understood what they were getting into because.
Speaker 5: Generally weikean is you know, is considered good and it's
Speaker 5: more more nature based.
Speaker 2: Yes, it is absolutely nature based, and most of the
Speaker 2: things that we did were outside for the purpose of
Speaker 2: connecting with nature or the nature's spirits. This particular ritual
Speaker 2: I'm referencing was pagan and not Wigan, So I will
Speaker 2: make that clarification.
Speaker 5: Because there's a few blurry lines when it comes to paganism,
Speaker 5: isn't it. I mean, generally it means that it's not
Speaker 5: worship of any of the main religions, But paganism is
Speaker 5: basically everything else, isn't it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it definitely depends on the church, for lack of
Speaker 2: a better word, or group.
Speaker 3: That you attend.
Speaker 2: Some of them have strong opinions about who are what
Speaker 2: you're contacting, and some of them are kind of just
Speaker 2: general connection with spirits. The group that I was a
Speaker 2: part of had some pretty strong opinions about what they
Speaker 2: were contacting and some specific interests in who they were contacting.
Speaker 5: And how do you feel now you know the journey
Speaker 5: you're on Now?
Speaker 2: I feel pretty good about it. I mean, I'm pretty
Speaker 2: new to it. I'm still just beginning to like read
Speaker 2: the Bible and religious texts and stuff, because this is
Speaker 2: a totally new world to me. But I feel a
Speaker 2: lot more comfort and consistency with it than I ever.
Speaker 3: Did when I was Pagan or wiccan previously.
Speaker 5: I know people which you're on both sides. I know
Speaker 5: people which you're involved heavily in your Cultsome are only
Speaker 5: just tourists, others generation or they've been involved in for years,
Speaker 5: their parents have back home quite a long way. And
Speaker 5: then I know people which you're on the religious side,
Speaker 5: and some that have crossed over usually from your cult side.
Speaker 5: People are in different places in their life, so I
Speaker 5: think sometimes we have to go through certain things, certain
Speaker 5: hurd les, certain doors, sort part of life's journey.
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, it's all part of the path. I
Speaker 3: don't regret anything.
Speaker 2: They all taught me different experiences and lessons, but it's
Speaker 2: just definitely something I wouldn't go back to.
Speaker 5: I'm glad you're happier anyway. That's the main thing.
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Speaker 5: Okay, so, what advice would you have for people which
Speaker 5: they're of that age they're kind of exploring different aspects.
Speaker 5: What advice would you give to people who are on
Speaker 5: this kind of path.
Speaker 2: That's kind of hard because I wouldn't have listened to
Speaker 2: it when I was that age. I would probably say
Speaker 2: my best advice is to be very careful when you're
Speaker 2: trying to mess with things in the spiritual realm. That
Speaker 2: was one of the draws I had to the Christian
Speaker 2: faith is that you're not trying to summon anything, You're
Speaker 2: not bringing anything forth, and the entity you're talking to
Speaker 2: is this all existent thing that is all good. Especially
Speaker 2: in the pagan faith, that there is a mentality that
Speaker 2: not everything that you bring forward is good.
Speaker 3: And I definitely saw that firsthand.
Speaker 5: Sometimes these these experiences do coincide with things that happen
Speaker 5: in our personal life.
Speaker 2: I just had a series of very weird experiences, very
Speaker 2: similar to the black Satin thing that came over me.
Speaker 3: I was seeing a lot.
Speaker 2: Of shadow figures in my home and having just a
Speaker 2: collection of strange happenings.
Speaker 3: And then I had a.
Speaker 2: Few pretty terrible personal life things happen which I personally correlated,
Speaker 2: and I chose to fully leave anything doing with paganism.
Speaker 2: And then the next year I felt very called to Christianity.
Speaker 2: I had some strange and sinces again that just made
Speaker 2: me feel called that way.
Speaker 5: Like you said, you know, when you're young, you wouldn't
Speaker 5: have listened. Now, I wouldn't have listened when I was
Speaker 5: like younger the same, and most people wouldn't. But it's
Speaker 5: all hindsight, though, Wasn't.
Speaker 3: It definitely hindsight? It's always twenty twenty.
Speaker 5: You know, as we get older, we learned these things,
Speaker 5: and that's what it's all about. The encounter in the woods,
Speaker 5: that is a very strange one. And this property used
Speaker 5: to go out into the woods and have lunch, and
Speaker 5: this was during hunting season.
Speaker 3: You said, yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Was not allowed to be in the woods, but I
Speaker 2: loved being in there. But I would always wear my
Speaker 2: own neons so that I was visible. I didn't want
Speaker 2: to encounter a hunter in the woods, but I didn't
Speaker 2: think it was that dangerous because I'd seen them in
Speaker 2: the woods before. They they're looking for deer, they're not
Speaker 2: looking for you. As long as you're identifying yourself, it's
Speaker 2: not that dangerous. My parents just wanted me to be safe.
Speaker 5: And was this a certain area where you witnessed this
Speaker 5: person's individual. Was that a location that you would always
Speaker 5: go to? Was that a fresh location?
Speaker 3: It was always a looking I went to. The woods
Speaker 3: were really, really dense, and there was very little place
Speaker 3: to be besides this area. Except the area was quite
Speaker 3: hard to get to, probably two maybe three.
Speaker 2: Miles past the edge of my house, the edge of
Speaker 2: the tree line on my house, so it was kind
Speaker 2: of a deep walk in but once you got to it,
Speaker 2: it was just this kind of perfect circle in the
Speaker 2: woods with like one down tree in the middle that
Speaker 2: was a perfect place to sit. I really loved it,
Speaker 2: and it got excellent sunlight so it was always warm,
Speaker 2: and I liked that it was kind of away from
Speaker 2: the risk of the hunter as being in the deep woods.
Speaker 5: So this area was like a clearing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm actually not really sure why it was there.
Speaker 2: It was kind of just like a random clearing in
Speaker 2: the woods, but there were no trees besides the one
Speaker 2: that had fallen into it. It was probably I don't know,
Speaker 2: the size of like half of a football field, which
Speaker 2: I realized is such an American way to measure space,
Speaker 2: but yeah, it was probably about half the size of
Speaker 2: a football field.
Speaker 5: It's probably the best way. Yeah, that's how I measure
Speaker 5: things because so many of my guests and listeners are
Speaker 5: American obviously, so that's yes, that's how I measure set. Oh,
Speaker 5: it's about a football field away.
Speaker 3: It's a good metric of distance.
Speaker 2: But yeah, the clearing was somewhat large, definitely enough space
Speaker 2: to enjoy lunch and kind of walk around and have
Speaker 2: a nice, nice time out there.
Speaker 5: Had you heard anything strange in this area before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was definitely some strange things in the woods
Speaker 2: and in this area, but I never saw anything, certainly
Speaker 2: not as obvious as that guy. I'd often see like
Speaker 2: shadows through the woods. I'd often hear like voices kind
Speaker 2: of just disembodied in the in the far off, or
Speaker 2: fear footsteps and stuff. All of that, though, I was
Speaker 2: able to rationalize being either hunters or deer or animals,
Speaker 2: which might not have been true, but it was all
Speaker 2: kind of disregardable. When I saw the sky that was
Speaker 2: not that was clear as day. I could have touched him.
Speaker 5: Completely in a place. He was where in the wrong
Speaker 5: kind of clothes for the year.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was cold.
Speaker 2: It was the beginning of winter, end of fall, so
Speaker 2: around here it would probably be no warmer than like
Speaker 2: forty degrees fahrenheit.
Speaker 3: And he was wearing like shorts and a T shirt.
Speaker 2: And like I said, also, it was really really weird
Speaker 2: for you to be in the woods without neons on.
Speaker 2: You would definitely be a risk of being shot by
Speaker 2: a hunter. Like there's heavy deer hunting in that area,
Speaker 2: so for him to be walking around in a dark
Speaker 2: colored T shirt and shorts, especially in that area at
Speaker 2: that time was extremely out of place.
Speaker 5: If it had been a neighbor, from a neighbor improper
Speaker 5: to you would have recognized him.
Speaker 3: I guess absolutely.
Speaker 2: But he would have had to walk like ten plus
Speaker 2: miles if he was a neighbor. We lived on a
Speaker 2: really large piece of farmland. The neighbors were not close.
Speaker 2: It would have been a really really long truck for
Speaker 2: him to take. And if he was a neighbor, he
Speaker 2: certainly wouldn't have been dressed like that.
Speaker 3: He would have known better.
Speaker 5: Right, Okay, And he looked at least solid to you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looked just like you and me.
Speaker 5: So he sounded normal. He looked completely normal. But he
Speaker 5: disappeared behind this tree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he just he looked at me confused when I
Speaker 2: talked to him, probably looked as confused as I looked
Speaker 2: at him. And then he sidestepped as if he was
Speaker 2: trying to find out like his placement. He was just
Speaker 2: kind of looking around, and then took a step to
Speaker 2: the I think to his right, behind a tree, but
Speaker 2: a really really thin birch like sapling, maybe four to
Speaker 2: five inches wide. But as he shifted behind the tree,
Speaker 2: nothing came out on the other side. He just kind
Speaker 2: of disappeared behind the tree. He was too thin for
Speaker 2: him to have even been standing like sideways at the tree.
Speaker 2: So I ran over. We were not that far apart.
Speaker 2: We were probably ten to fifteen feet apart. So when
Speaker 2: he disappears behind this tree, I sprint over to it,
Speaker 2: and there's no one there, and.
Speaker 3: He couldn't have gone anywhere.
Speaker 2: There was no place for him to have gone without
Speaker 2: it being really obvious, like I was staring right.
Speaker 3: At him the whole time.
Speaker 5: Ten to fifteen feet that is really close.
Speaker 3: Then, yeah, it was pretty close.
Speaker 5: And you ran over and you went right in the
Speaker 5: back of the tree and nothing.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: Nothing.
Speaker 5: That's creepy verst as you're on your own in the
Speaker 5: middle of these woods.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was definitely disconcerting.
Speaker 5: Do you have any theory or what do you think
Speaker 5: it could have been? Or where did he go?
Speaker 3: Honestly, I have no idea.
Speaker 2: The only thing that I can possibly think of, like
Speaker 2: in hindsight, even though this sounds kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Is that he was like out of place in this universe.
Speaker 2: I think he just kind of stepped into a portal,
Speaker 2: ended up here, said whoops, and then stepped back.
Speaker 3: I have no idea what that was, though.
Speaker 5: That's as good as any. And the amount of times
Speaker 5: I've heard about not only people vanish in but also
Speaker 5: where people have gone missing and they say that they
Speaker 5: vanished and they could see people around them, they couldn't
Speaker 5: be seen themselves. If you see what I mean, it's
Speaker 5: like they've passed through an area where they've become completely invisible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, he's That's exactly what it seemed like.
Speaker 2: He was so out of place, and the confusion that
Speaker 2: he looked at me with was so strange, and his
Speaker 2: question to me, like what are you doing here?
Speaker 3: It was all just very bizarre.
Speaker 5: What are you doing here?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 5: So it could be that maybe he was from another time,
Speaker 5: you know, walking around his own property maybe, and he
Speaker 5: just kind of crossed the veil I guess, and saw
Speaker 5: you there.
Speaker 3: That's kind of my only guess.
Speaker 2: I mean, from his perspective, I was probably dressed ridiculously too,
Speaker 2: being kind of like a modern child dressed in winter clothing.
Speaker 5: And did you ever look into any stories of other
Speaker 5: people seeing similar figures.
Speaker 3: I've never really looked into other stories of it.
Speaker 2: But I had friends who would come over to my
Speaker 2: house often and we would go into the woods, and
Speaker 2: I had another friend who saw a very similar situation,
Speaker 2: probably a year later at.
Speaker 3: The same clearing.
Speaker 5: That was it identical or I.
Speaker 2: Personally didn't see him, but she describes him exactly the
Speaker 2: same as I did.
Speaker 3: A little bit. He was dressed kind of for.
Speaker 2: The summer, but we again saw him in the winter,
Speaker 2: or it was winter when we were there.
Speaker 5: What about stories of missing people? I mean, is it
Speaker 5: a wide area, this woodland.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's quite vast. My farm was probably the most
Speaker 2: near part to it. However, this isn't really a place
Speaker 2: that someone would be able to survive in. You definitely
Speaker 2: wouldn't be able to camp and make a good house
Speaker 2: there for much more than three or four months of
Speaker 2: the season.
Speaker 5: So I'm guess in these woods are probably quite ancient.
Speaker 5: It's probably a lot of stories involved in these woods.
Speaker 3: Yes, they definitely have a lot of history to them.
Speaker 2: The particular clearing that I was in used to be
Speaker 2: one of the I think it was like a pasture
Speaker 2: or something for some of the animals that used to
Speaker 2: be on the farm. But the part of the farm
Speaker 2: that I lived on was much smaller than the original farm,
Speaker 2: so there was lots of stuff in the woods, like
Speaker 2: old rock stacked fences and strange clearings. Once in a
Speaker 2: while you'd encounter some like watering troth looking objects.
Speaker 5: And did you have to witnessing this guy? Did you
Speaker 5: ever go back there and have your picnic again?
Speaker 2: I did go back a few times, never had any
Speaker 2: other weird experiences like that, but definitely consistently still heard
Speaker 2: like the footsteps and the disembodied voices and stuff. It
Speaker 2: never deterred me. I never felt scared back there. I
Speaker 2: actually didn't even feel scared by this guy. It was
Speaker 2: just a very strange experience.
Speaker 5: And an experience that you would never forget. Shiloh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it sticks in my brain like nothing else. There's
Speaker 2: no explanation for it, and just I keep thinking about it,
Speaker 2: like what happened?
Speaker 3: Like why did that occur?
Speaker 5: There's certainly an interesting experience, that's for sure. Didn't seem
Speaker 5: to be any danger or anything like that. It's just
Speaker 5: both your paths crossed point in time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the vibe was definitely mutual confusion.
Speaker 5: To our listeners out there, if you've experienced something similar
Speaker 5: to what Shiloh has, do, get in contact. I'll be
Speaker 5: interested in hearing any similar accounts.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would definitely be curious.
Speaker 2: I've never really encountered anyone who's experienced something similar in
Speaker 2: that regard. And I have some pictures that I'll send
Speaker 2: you of the doll and a bird's eye view of
Speaker 2: the place that I grew up that can kind of
Speaker 2: show you the distance between the house and that clearing.
Speaker 5: Perfect. Yeah, if you do that, and what we do
Speaker 5: is we'll put that on the website and then our
Speaker 5: listeners can go and check it out. Good stuff, Shiloh.
Speaker 5: I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much.
Speaker 5: You are more than welcome. All Right, it's great speaking
Speaker 5: to you, and it's wonderful to hear these accounts, and
Speaker 5: to be honest with your shidow, they were a little
Speaker 5: bit creepy, but we enjoyed them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you very much, and big.
Speaker 5: Thanks to the partner as well for getting you to
Speaker 5: come back.
Speaker 3: Yeah, shout out to my husband for that.
Speaker 5: Share to the husband, take care and we will speak soon.
Speaker 3: Sounds great.
Speaker 5: Thank you bye for now. Well, that is all for
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Speaker 5: you the Shiloh for sharing tonight, and thank you all
Speaker 5: for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,
Speaker 5: stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,