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<v Speaker 1>You'll be away five seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you want to report a UFO hanging in?

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<v Speaker 1>We don't want.

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<v Speaker 3>To report every thirty one.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you wish to report a.

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<v Speaker 3>Areas thirty one.

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<v Speaker 4>Do you wish to find a report of any kind

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<v Speaker 4>of it?

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<v Speaker 3>I wouldn't know what kind of reports clouds, time areas

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<v Speaker 4>See if it was anybody as h above us to

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<v Speaker 4>pass us, like thirty seconds ago, we were sending one

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, I'll passed over.

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<v Speaker 3>I got.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know what it was, but it's from at

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<v Speaker 4>least to three thousand feet above us.

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<v Speaker 1>See, I passed right over the top of us.

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<v Speaker 3>Ninety one one. You just called both to be be four.

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<v Speaker 3>They're after staying the airplanes.

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<v Speaker 5>He is.

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<v Speaker 1>To god more on an unidentified object every liberty or

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<v Speaker 1>call or calm on an unidentified flying object.

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<v Speaker 5>A Welcome to UFO Chronicles a place where people share

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<v Speaker 5>their experiences of the strange and unexplained. If you've had

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<v Speaker 5>an encounter, I would like to be on the show.

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<v Speaker 5>You can email me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com.

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<v Speaker 5>Hello everyone, and welcome to the show. How are you

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<v Speaker 5>all doing. I'm Nick Hunter and this is the UFO

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<v Speaker 5>Chronicles podcast. Tonight's guest comes to us from New York State.

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<v Speaker 5>Sido will be sharing experiences that blurred are lines between

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<v Speaker 5>the paranormal and the occult. From an encounter in a

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<v Speaker 5>clearing in the woods where a man appeared to have vanished,

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<v Speaker 5>to a night frozen in fear beneath a shifting black

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<v Speaker 5>mass that hovered over her bed, Shiloh's story is layered

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<v Speaker 5>with moments that devine explanation. Growing up within Pagan and

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<v Speaker 5>Wiccan traditions, Shidow recalls rituals where something seemed to answer,

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<v Speaker 5>leaving her with haunting questions about what was truly summoned.

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<v Speaker 5>This is a journey through shadows, belief, and the mysteries

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<v Speaker 5>that linger. Just add a sight. Shiloh is up next.

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<v Speaker 6>You can also find a link in the description of

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<v Speaker 6>this episode. Any help is very much appreciated. Now on

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<v Speaker 6>with the show. Hello, Shiloh, welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 3>Hello, thank you for having me on.

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<v Speaker 5>You are more than welcome. It is great to have

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<v Speaker 5>you with us. And you're calling from New York state. Yep, wonderful. Okay, Now, Shiloh,

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<v Speaker 5>you have several experiences you're going to be sharing with us.

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<v Speaker 5>Would you light start at the beginning, please.

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<v Speaker 2>Ma'am for sure, So I will kind of go through

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<v Speaker 2>my timeline that is somewhat chronological. So I've noticed that

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<v Speaker 2>weird stuff kind of always follows me. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 2>been stacking since I was young. So when we start,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start when I was fifteen at a

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<v Speaker 2>strange pagan ritual. When I was young, I was raised pagan. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the churches that we went two were not like recognized

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<v Speaker 2>pagan churches. They were just kind of groups and meetups,

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<v Speaker 2>so we practiced pretty regularly.

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<v Speaker 3>This was not like a super weird thing.

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<v Speaker 2>However, one day, when I was older, around fifteen, one

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<v Speaker 2>of the rituals we were doing was a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 2>The intention was to bring forth some sort of spirit

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<v Speaker 2>of abundance. But I think we brought forth something a

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<v Speaker 2>little bit different the ritual. We just burned a few

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<v Speaker 2>things on the altar like we normally would, but the

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<v Speaker 2>one difference is that we burned our own hair as

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<v Speaker 2>part of this. When we left that situation the ritual,

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<v Speaker 2>we came home and I felt a very heavy vibe.

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<v Speaker 3>It was really dark and just kind of like all

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<v Speaker 3>over me.

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<v Speaker 2>Then would I was sleeping in my basement at the time,

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<v Speaker 2>because we live in upstate New York, so the temperature

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<v Speaker 2>is really difficult to maintain.

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<v Speaker 3>How are my basement was nice and.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, and it was attached to part of the deeper

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<v Speaker 2>basement which had a roots set in it, which I

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<v Speaker 2>thought was a very I thought was a really sketchy

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<v Speaker 2>area because it was really dark and deep in the

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<v Speaker 2>back of our basement. So in the bedroom that I

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<v Speaker 2>had that was like off of this basement. After this ritual,

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<v Speaker 2>I was laying in bed and I noticed my closet

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<v Speaker 2>door open that was connected to the deep part of

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<v Speaker 2>the basement, and this black silk figure that was like

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<v Speaker 2>draped in fabric came out from it and over my

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<v Speaker 2>bed and sat above me for what felt like an hour.

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<v Speaker 2>Looking back, I'm pretty sure that I was experiencing sleep paralysis.

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<v Speaker 2>But it was easily the scariest situation that I had

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<v Speaker 2>ever been in. This floating face that was just silky

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<v Speaker 2>and almost liquity stared at me for what felt like

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<v Speaker 2>an hour. So I never went back to those kinds

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<v Speaker 2>of rituals afterwards, because I felt like there was some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of thing that happened that shouldn't have happened. So,

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<v Speaker 2>continuing on the same house story, I call it the

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<v Speaker 2>Man in the Forest. There was a forest clearing that

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<v Speaker 2>I would often go to deep in the woods. We

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<v Speaker 2>lived on a farmhouse, so there was many many acres

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<v Speaker 2>like behind our house. I actually have a picture of

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<v Speaker 2>the aerial view of this house to just show you

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<v Speaker 2>the depth behind There's this big tree line probably one

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<v Speaker 2>mile behind the house that you could enter and if

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<v Speaker 2>you walked two or three miles into it, and then

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<v Speaker 2>two or three miles into it, you would get to

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<v Speaker 2>a slight clearing. And that's the clearing that I liked

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<v Speaker 2>to hang out on all the time. But I was

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<v Speaker 2>specifically not allowed to be in this clearing or in

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<v Speaker 2>the woods at all because it was hunting season.

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<v Speaker 3>And it was deep in the woods.

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<v Speaker 2>So I liked it to be a little bit defiant,

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<v Speaker 2>and I would often have lunch back there. So one day,

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<v Speaker 2>it was probably fifteen maybe sixteen at the time, about

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<v Speaker 2>six months before I left this house, so I snuck

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<v Speaker 2>back with my orange vest to be safe. I was

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<v Speaker 2>in the clearing and I heard a voice behind me.

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<v Speaker 2>And I had heard voices in this part of the

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<v Speaker 2>woods many times. I'd heard footsteps and just kind of

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<v Speaker 2>strange occurrences, but this time was a little bit different.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't hear any animal sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>It became kind of unnaturally quiet right after I heard

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<v Speaker 2>this man's voice, and I hear him say what are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing? And I turn around and it's a man

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<v Speaker 2>just standing there. He looks quite young and confused. But

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<v Speaker 2>he's also wearing clothing that is inappropriate for the area.

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<v Speaker 2>He's wearing no neons, and he's also wearing summer attire

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<v Speaker 2>in dark colors. And anyone who's been in Upstate, especially

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<v Speaker 2>in the forest area during hunting season, knows that that is.

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<v Speaker 3>A terrible idea.

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<v Speaker 2>But also it's very cold, so for him to be

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<v Speaker 2>dressed in summer clothes is very strange. I ask him,

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<v Speaker 2>who are you, And before he could respond, he just

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<v Speaker 2>looks equally confused at me, and then steps to the

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<v Speaker 2>side behind a birch tree, but disappears as he's stepping

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<v Speaker 2>into it, so there would be no space for him

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<v Speaker 2>to disappear. I immediately run towards him to see what

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<v Speaker 2>that was like. Maybe he's standing sideways or something, but

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<v Speaker 3>He has absolutely disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>Gone fast forwarding a little bit, so, I think I've

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned it a little bit previously, But I did ghost

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<v Speaker 2>hunting pretty regularly. Many strange experiences in that, But the

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<v Speaker 2>one that's really notable was when I was seventeen, I

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<v Speaker 2>went to Rolling Hills Asylum in East Bethany, New York

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<v Speaker 2>on a private tour with ghost Hunters International and the

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<v Speaker 2>Psychic Chip Coffee.

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<v Speaker 3>We did this whole tour.

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<v Speaker 2>It was very interesting, couple of strange things, but the

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<v Speaker 2>most weird thing was when we went to the Child's

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<v Speaker 2>Spirit room, and it was called the Christmas Tree Room

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<v Speaker 2>because there was a Christmas tree in it and supposedly

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<v Speaker 2>had a couple child spirits in it that liked to

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<v Speaker 2>play with balls, and one of them was the spirit

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<v Speaker 2>named Annalise, who everyone thought embodied this doll that was

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<v Speaker 2>in the room. So I was left in this room

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<v Speaker 2>in the Christmas tree room to interact with Annalise for.

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<v Speaker 3>A little while.

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<v Speaker 2>I played with a ball with her and I could

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<v Speaker 2>consistently get her to move the ball or kind of

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<v Speaker 2>respond to questions with my ghostbox that had like lights

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<v Speaker 2>on it. There was a man in that room with

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<v Speaker 2>me who was wearing coveralls, and he didn't say anything,

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<v Speaker 2>never really interacted with me. Was just there on the

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<v Speaker 2>tour also, I assumed. So when I left, I was

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<v Speaker 2>gifted the doll. It was signed by the entire crew members,

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<v Speaker 2>and I took it home. But at the time, I asked, Hey,

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<v Speaker 2>what about that guy that was in the room with me,

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<v Speaker 2>And I felt bad that I was the one that

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<v Speaker 2>got the doll and not him, because everyone got some

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<v Speaker 2>kind of trinket from this location. And they looked at

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<v Speaker 2>me kind of confused and said, well, there was no

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<v Speaker 2>man in that room. I immediately was confused by that,

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<v Speaker 2>because there definitely was a man in that room when

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<v Speaker 2>I was ghost hunting. But looking back, he was dressed strangely.

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<v Speaker 2>So it was the deep winter and there's no heating

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<v Speaker 2>in this entire asylum, but he was wearing just coveralls, no.

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<v Speaker 3>Hat, no gloves, which was very strange at the time. Also.

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<v Speaker 2>So those are my three main stories about my experiences,

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<v Speaker 2>but I will add one small strange happening as well.

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<v Speaker 3>So in the house that I.

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<v Speaker 2>Currently live in, when we were going through the buying

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<v Speaker 2>process of it, we first saw the house, we loved it,

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<v Speaker 2>We saw the entire house, we did the whole house tour.

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<v Speaker 3>We noticed one attic was decent.

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<v Speaker 2>However, it was a little bit grungy, not overly accessible,

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<v Speaker 2>kind of inconvenient. Fast forward, we're going through the buying process.

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<v Speaker 2>We keep having these very strange interactions with the seller.

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<v Speaker 2>They're asking us really weird and specific things about our

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<v Speaker 2>past and what we're bringing and what we want from

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<v Speaker 2>the house.

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<v Speaker 3>Anyway, fast forward a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in the closing process of the house and we

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<v Speaker 2>find out that there's a second attic, which we find

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<v Speaker 2>very strange because there was no place for the attic

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<v Speaker 2>to be when we did the first walk through.

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<v Speaker 3>We think that's kind of an aside.

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<v Speaker 2>So we close on the house, and the day after

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<v Speaker 2>we close on the house, we find out that the

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<v Speaker 2>person that we bought it from, Unfortunately, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>how to say this in the most a respectful way,

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<v Speaker 2>but he unfortunately killed himself in the house, and that

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<v Speaker 2>was disclosed to us during slightly after the closing process,

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<v Speaker 2>and we found out after we moved in from the

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<v Speaker 2>neighbor that that incident apparently happened in the second attic

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<v Speaker 2>that we didn't know about, and he had been involved

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<v Speaker 2>in some very strange occult stuff previously. So because we

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<v Speaker 2>live in New York, that was a forced disclosure to

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<v Speaker 2>us when we bought the house. However, the timeframe in

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<v Speaker 2>which we bought it, we only found out because of

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<v Speaker 2>our neighbor, so no one told us about that previous

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<v Speaker 2>to buying the house. So when we finally do move

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<v Speaker 2>in and all of the movies were here, with all

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<v Speaker 2>which is a very strange location through like a bathroom

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<v Speaker 3>So since then, I've had it cleansed and spiritually cleaned,

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<v Speaker 3>I would say, but I don't know. I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>My husband felt very passionately about adding that strange addition

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<v Speaker 5>Whoa interesting He was sharing that when you sold a

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<v Speaker 5>the fact that the previous owner would have passed away.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's a state by state issue, but in New

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<v Speaker 2>unless it was a part of a violent crime, which

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<v Speaker 5>I see, and I know you said you had it cleansed,

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<v Speaker 5>but how does the house feel?

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<v Speaker 3>So there's a reason I had it cleansed.

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<v Speaker 2>It felt very heavy and very weird for the first

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<v Speaker 3>And that's part of how we found out to begin with.

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<v Speaker 2>As we mentioned to our neighbor that you're having some

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<v Speaker 3>I kept seeing.

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<v Speaker 2>the story. But I was seeing lots of shadow figures

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<v Speaker 2>and hearing lots of strange voices in this house. It

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<v Speaker 2>was very reminiscent of my childhood home. So I was

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<v Speaker 2>very quick to find any priests that would come in

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<v Speaker 2>and cleanse this house. I mean, I don't believe in

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<v Speaker 3>It was really really.

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<v Speaker 5>Dark, and that those feelings have all moved on. Now

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<v Speaker 5>how long have you been in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>About three years now, and I can't fully say they've

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<v Speaker 2>moved on, But there is some sections of the house

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<v Speaker 2>that feel more positive than others. But there's definitely been

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<v Speaker 2>like a consistent weight that's carried with the house. And

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<v Speaker 2>maybe that's just the circumstances of some things in my

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<v Speaker 2>life as well, but no, it's definitely obvious that there

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<v Speaker 2>are some places in the house that feel, for lack

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<v Speaker 2>of a better word, just dark.

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<v Speaker 5>So it could be maybe just share in the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe my neighbor was kind of convinced that the reason

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<v Speaker 2>that the previous owner and in his own life was

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<v Speaker 2>part of the house. And I'm not sure if he

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<v Speaker 2>just watched Amityville Horror too much or if he's onto something,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's always kind of been a thought in the

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<v Speaker 5>If he was, you know, engaged in the occult, is

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<v Speaker 5>a very good chance he could have been doing stuff there.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, absolutely, we were kind of concerned about that too,

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<v Speaker 2>and we looked very deeply into the artifacts that were

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<v Speaker 2>left and disposed of all of them as best as

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<v Speaker 2>we could. But yeah, there was definitely some strange things

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<v Speaker 5>And you know, having been involved in Paganism and Wiccan,

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<v Speaker 5>how would you dispose of something like that that possibly

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<v Speaker 5>could be could be charged. I mean you can just

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<v Speaker 2>I think it really depends on your spiritual perspective. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think another point of clarification here is that I'm

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<v Speaker 2>he was definitely not involved with pagan or Wickan things.

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<v Speaker 2>He was definitely involved with want assign a title to it,

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<v Speaker 2>but more close to like Satanism or the dark end

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<v Speaker 2>of occult things. When you would encounter artifacts from like

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<v Speaker 2>a Pagan or Wiccan ritual, I would say you could

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<v Speaker 2>probably just throw them away, especially if you believe more

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<v Speaker 2>from a Christian perspective.

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<v Speaker 3>The stuff about what he was.

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<v Speaker 2>Messing with concerned me more deeply because I've heard kind

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<v Speaker 2>of maybe just rumors about that you're not supposed to

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<v Speaker 2>burn things with fire. So I just threw them out

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<v Speaker 2>and prayed over them. But I don't know if that

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<v Speaker 2>was the right choice. It's kind of a between a

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<v Speaker 2>rock at a hard play situation?

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<v Speaker 5>Interesting and have you always been attracted to the paranormal?

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<v Speaker 5>Always the paranorm would be attracted to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, that was kind of why I got into ghost

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<v Speaker 2>hunting to begin with. I really don't love to talk

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<v Speaker 2>about it now because I think it's currently my perspective

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<v Speaker 2>is that it's demons. But when I was young, it

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<v Speaker 2>was believed that I was psychic and could communicate with spirits,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's specifically why the ghost hunting team wanted me

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<v Speaker 2>to be present. And that's also why I did ghost

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<v Speaker 2>hunting like in my small team, aside from the ghost

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<v Speaker 2>hunter's international experience that I had.

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<v Speaker 5>So now you've taken a completely different route, you know,

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<v Speaker 5>really involved in paganism anymore?

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<v Speaker 3>Absolutely not. I fully renounced that when I was about eighteen.

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<v Speaker 5>I mean, some people could argue that there is a

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<v Speaker 5>good side and there is a bad side. It kind

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<v Speaker 5>of just depends on the way someone practices.

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<v Speaker 2>I would absolutely agree there is definitely a good side

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<v Speaker 2>and a bad side.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm pretty confident that I was on.

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<v Speaker 2>A bad side growing up, but my perspective's deeply changed,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm I mean, I found Jesus when I was

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<v Speaker 2>about twenty and I've been on that kind of journey

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<v Speaker 2>since then, so looking back, I feel very differently than

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<v Speaker 2>I did at the time. But I think that's the

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<v Speaker 2>case with anyone who grows up. I definitely don't want

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<v Speaker 2>my stories to like reflect negatively on paganism. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>really individual religion, and my experience was pretty unique to me.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, that was your journey. Yeah, and I think we

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<v Speaker 5>all when we're younger, we do tend to get rebellious,

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<v Speaker 5>and we do venture down different paths, experimenting with different things.

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<v Speaker 5>It can lead us into places, or at least we

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<v Speaker 5>can get led astray by other individuals.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that is absolutely true.

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<v Speaker 2>The person who ran that church that I was through

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<v Speaker 2>had some very strong ideals about what could be done

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<v Speaker 2>with paganism that I'm not sure would be shared by

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<v Speaker 2>everyone who practices.

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<v Speaker 5>You can see in the occult and many different techniques

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<v Speaker 5>and practices tend to get splintered off and go along

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<v Speaker 5>their different route. Yeah. You know you grew up in

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<v Speaker 5>that kind of environment. Was it parents were practicing.

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<v Speaker 3>My mother was, My father was kind of always atheistic.

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<v Speaker 5>So growing up you'd have crystals and candors things like

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<v Speaker 5>that scattered around the house.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, we had a few altars or like little sand

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<v Speaker 2>spot that was very normal in my house.

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<v Speaker 5>But my member was you know, she was never practice

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<v Speaker 5>in Wickham, but she was mad into crystals. I'd find

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<v Speaker 5>them under my pillow and all kinds of stuff when

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<v Speaker 5>I was younger.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's a belief that they can heal you or

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<v Speaker 2>help in many many ways.

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<v Speaker 5>I think to a degree, you know, they did work

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<v Speaker 5>because I did go for a stage when I was

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<v Speaker 5>younger of having horrific nightmares and seemed to cease because

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<v Speaker 5>of these crystals. My mem believed that, and to a

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<v Speaker 5>degree I think I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Well, I mean whatever works. I definitely don't think

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<v Speaker 2>crystals don't fully work. There's definitely some kind of energy

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<v Speaker 2>behind them. But I think your intention has a huge

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<v Speaker 2>aspect to that intention.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I definitely believe that. What is your earliest aeronormal

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<v Speaker 5>memory you have of being involved in these type of rituals.

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<v Speaker 2>In the rituals, probably when I was seven or eight

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<v Speaker 2>I got allowed to be to join. Previous to that,

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<v Speaker 2>I was just not allowed and I would just be

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<v Speaker 2>part of like the at home alters and rituals and

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<v Speaker 2>stuff which would just involve putting something physically on an

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<v Speaker 2>altar and then doing a little kind of prayer situation.

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<v Speaker 5>And was this a generational thing? I mean, your mother,

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<v Speaker 5>was your grandmother involved in anything like this?

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<v Speaker 2>No, I am from a long line of Catholics. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not really sure where my mom got this from, but

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<v Speaker 2>she spent a long time in the city when she

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<v Speaker 2>was young, in her early career, and when she moved

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<v Speaker 2>back upstate after that, she seems to have had a

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<v Speaker 2>big religious turning and was very devoutly into paganism for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, take us back to this black Mass. Now you're

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<v Speaker 5>doing a ritual that was called the Spirit of abundance.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you just explain to us what it is and

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<v Speaker 5>what it would entail.

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<v Speaker 2>So, like I said, the place that I was going,

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<v Speaker 2>or the church that I was going, I suppose was

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<v Speaker 2>hosted by a woman who kind of followed her own ideals.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't think this is necessarily this might not

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<v Speaker 2>be necessarily like a wreckized thing that was done, But

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<v Speaker 2>the goal was to bring forth a spirit for the

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<v Speaker 2>purpose of abundance in the people that were summoning it.

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<v Speaker 2>So either money or career goals or love, whatever your

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<v Speaker 2>abundance might seek. We all put in a cutting of

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<v Speaker 2>our hair, and we put in a bunch of other

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<v Speaker 2>kind of strange things that people were offering. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even remember what they were specifically, but they were like

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<v Speaker 2>necklaces and I think a rabbit's foot, like items of luck,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were all put into this bowl that we

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<v Speaker 2>would burn things in. And this was an outdoor ceremony obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>so we just kind of lit a fire and burned

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<v Speaker 2>it all and did like a chant, kind of holding

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<v Speaker 2>hands around this bowl. That was pretty normal. That was

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what the ceremonies looked like. The only thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I found really strange about this particular ceremony was

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<v Speaker 2>the inclusion of our own hair. That was never something

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<v Speaker 2>that had been done previously. I personally believe that was

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<v Speaker 2>an aspect of why that ritual went so strangely, the use.

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<v Speaker 5>Of hair when it comes to like poppets and dolls

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<v Speaker 5>and that type of thing, don't you yes, And.

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<v Speaker 2>That was done also, But so there were other previous

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<v Speaker 2>rituals that one person would include their hair if they

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<v Speaker 2>were striving for something in particular, like a new job

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<v Speaker 2>or a love interest, was always very specific like this,

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<v Speaker 2>but the inclusion of all of our hair. I think

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<v Speaker 2>was the strange part that it wasn't so specific. It

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<v Speaker 2>was just kind of generally being thrown into the universe.

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<v Speaker 5>I remember we lived in a really old build in

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<v Speaker 5>years and years ago and we found in the basement

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<v Speaker 5>this package and it was wrapped up in a pouch,

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<v Speaker 5>so there was hair in there. There was some really

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<v Speaker 5>old nails all wrapped up, and it had been there

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<v Speaker 5>a long time. It wasn't something which just turned up

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<v Speaker 5>one day, but kind of had an idea what that

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<v Speaker 5>could have been.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, generally anything that involves hair. I want nothing to do.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that's the kind of the darkest occult stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>we encountered. And I will say that that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>artifact was the kind of thing I found in the.

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<v Speaker 3>House when we moved in.

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<v Speaker 5>Oh really just like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, pretty similar, like hair wrapped around nails. Just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of like little but strange things like that.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, and this black mass. Could you make any facial details.

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<v Speaker 2>No more than like the fact that it had eyes,

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<v Speaker 2>a place for a nose, and not even really at mouth.

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00:23:31.400 --> 00:23:33.839
<v Speaker 3>It was very vague, but it was definitely a face

430
00:23:34.720 --> 00:23:37.119
<v Speaker 3>that was quite obvious, like.

431
00:23:37.039 --> 00:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Its eyes were sunken in enough to easily see that

432
00:23:40.720 --> 00:23:42.960
<v Speaker 2>those were placements for eyes.

433
00:23:43.480 --> 00:23:45.759
<v Speaker 5>You can tell if it looked male or female or

434
00:23:45.799 --> 00:23:46.519
<v Speaker 5>anything like that.

435
00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:51.599
<v Speaker 2>It felt male, but no, there was no like obvious. No,

436
00:23:51.680 --> 00:23:53.920
<v Speaker 2>there was nothing obvious about it. But it felt male.

437
00:23:54.519 --> 00:23:57.160
<v Speaker 5>And you said it hung over for about an hour.

438
00:23:57.640 --> 00:23:58.839
<v Speaker 3>That's what it felt like.

439
00:23:59.279 --> 00:24:03.039
<v Speaker 2>And in reflection, I've learned about sleep paralysis and that's

440
00:24:03.119 --> 00:24:05.079
<v Speaker 2>probably what that situation was.

441
00:24:06.039 --> 00:24:09.160
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, it felt like a solid hour.

442
00:24:09.519 --> 00:24:11.400
<v Speaker 2>I didn't have clocks in the room, so I couldn't

443
00:24:11.480 --> 00:24:16.119
<v Speaker 2>verify it, but in reflection and in experience, it definitely

444
00:24:16.119 --> 00:24:17.119
<v Speaker 2>felt about that long.

445
00:24:17.680 --> 00:24:20.759
<v Speaker 5>I have an experienced sleep paralysis when I was younger.

446
00:24:21.359 --> 00:24:24.400
<v Speaker 5>It's scary. You couldn't move yourself. You just had to

447
00:24:24.480 --> 00:24:28.119
<v Speaker 5>basically just see this mass hovering above you.

448
00:24:28.759 --> 00:24:31.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, just staring at this thing while it met my

449
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:34.759
<v Speaker 2>eyes for a very long time, and.

450
00:24:34.640 --> 00:24:36.839
<v Speaker 5>It's still quite clear in your mind.

451
00:24:37.160 --> 00:24:41.279
<v Speaker 2>Extremely so it's as clear as I'm looking out my

452
00:24:41.359 --> 00:24:42.160
<v Speaker 2>window right now.

453
00:24:42.759 --> 00:24:45.519
<v Speaker 5>And that came directly after doing his ritual.

454
00:24:45.960 --> 00:24:48.359
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was probably two or three hours later. It

455
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:48.960
<v Speaker 3>was that night.

456
00:24:49.240 --> 00:24:52.000
<v Speaker 5>Yeah, I mean that definitely does sign it. So it's related.

457
00:24:52.799 --> 00:24:55.039
<v Speaker 2>I definitely think so. And I refused to go to

458
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:58.559
<v Speaker 2>ceremonies thereafter. That was one of the one of the

459
00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.839
<v Speaker 2>big catalysts in my life that started my change of heart.

460
00:25:03.039 --> 00:25:06.000
<v Speaker 2>But I had some life circumstances that happened after that

461
00:25:06.079 --> 00:25:10.160
<v Speaker 2>instance that also, like in hindsight, I definitely think they

462
00:25:10.160 --> 00:25:12.759
<v Speaker 2>were all connected. I do not think the thing that

463
00:25:12.759 --> 00:25:14.920
<v Speaker 2>we summoned was a spirit of abundance.

464
00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:18.359
<v Speaker 3>I genuinely just think we summoned a demon of some kind.

465
00:25:19.039 --> 00:25:22.279
<v Speaker 2>I think that sounds kind of crazy now, but having

466
00:25:22.720 --> 00:25:27.400
<v Speaker 2>experienced what I did and the circumstances of my life thereafter,

467
00:25:27.599 --> 00:25:30.039
<v Speaker 2>I don't really have a better word for it.

468
00:25:30.160 --> 00:25:33.799
<v Speaker 5>Was there anything that you did directly after that to

469
00:25:33.920 --> 00:25:37.599
<v Speaker 5>maybe counteract it, or is there anything that you did.

470
00:25:37.400 --> 00:25:41.720
<v Speaker 2>Do Not really, I was young and just kind of terrified,

471
00:25:41.759 --> 00:25:45.599
<v Speaker 2>so I just accepted my terror that night, and besides

472
00:25:45.640 --> 00:25:49.160
<v Speaker 2>refusing to go to rituals thereafter, No, I didn't really

473
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.880
<v Speaker 2>do anything. I just kind of lived in fear for

474
00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:54.400
<v Speaker 2>a while, and I watched my personal life kind of

475
00:25:54.559 --> 00:25:58.480
<v Speaker 2>crumble around me for the next couple of years until

476
00:25:58.519 --> 00:26:01.839
<v Speaker 2>I left that house and then things started getting a

477
00:26:01.880 --> 00:26:04.319
<v Speaker 2>little bit better. I personally believe there was a lot

478
00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:06.640
<v Speaker 2>of stuff going on at that house. There was a

479
00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:09.160
<v Speaker 2>lot of very strange situations at that house, and I

480
00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:13.279
<v Speaker 2>think our participation in those rituals brought many things back

481
00:26:13.319 --> 00:26:14.680
<v Speaker 2>to that physical house.

482
00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:17.799
<v Speaker 5>Also, definitely certain energies in a house, you know, I

483
00:26:17.799 --> 00:26:20.359
<v Speaker 5>think we've all lived in houses where they have certain

484
00:26:20.359 --> 00:26:24.680
<v Speaker 5>ominous feelings and it can make you react and behave

485
00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:27.839
<v Speaker 5>in in different ways, be angry or time, you could

486
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.640
<v Speaker 5>be depressed, you could be stressed, and that could be

487
00:26:30.720 --> 00:26:34.920
<v Speaker 5>directly correlated with some of these energies that reside in houses.

488
00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:36.799
<v Speaker 5>Like you said, you know, as soon as you leave

489
00:26:37.119 --> 00:26:40.160
<v Speaker 5>and move away and go somewhere else, things change.

490
00:26:40.519 --> 00:26:41.160
<v Speaker 3>Absolutely.

491
00:26:41.279 --> 00:26:44.839
<v Speaker 2>I formally and fundamentally believe that that house had some

492
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:48.599
<v Speaker 2>kind of very bad energy into it. The relationships that

493
00:26:48.640 --> 00:26:51.960
<v Speaker 2>were in it were very strained. It was a very

494
00:26:52.039 --> 00:26:54.359
<v Speaker 2>angry house, and I just think it was the house

495
00:26:54.359 --> 00:26:58.680
<v Speaker 2>itself because all of those problems were alleviated with then,

496
00:26:59.440 --> 00:27:00.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, even weeks of leaving the.

497
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:04.079
<v Speaker 5>House, and some places they can be cleansed and knock

498
00:27:04.119 --> 00:27:06.839
<v Speaker 5>the house down and don't build anything on that land again.

499
00:27:07.519 --> 00:27:09.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sometimes you just got to do that.

500
00:27:09.880 --> 00:27:12.720
<v Speaker 2>I live quite far from the house now, so whoever

501
00:27:12.759 --> 00:27:15.759
<v Speaker 2>lives there, I'm hoping they're having a good time there,

502
00:27:16.279 --> 00:27:17.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe a better one than I did.

503
00:27:18.559 --> 00:27:22.799
<v Speaker 5>Have you ever fought knocking and saying you experiencing anything here?

504
00:27:24.680 --> 00:27:26.039
<v Speaker 3>No, for many reasons.

505
00:27:26.319 --> 00:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>It's first of all, it's a really it would be

506
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.160
<v Speaker 2>really weird for me to show up there. It's kind

507
00:27:31.160 --> 00:27:33.440
<v Speaker 2>of out of the way, so it would be I'd

508
00:27:33.480 --> 00:27:35.400
<v Speaker 2>be driving a long way to be there, and they,

509
00:27:35.759 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 2>the owners of the house, would probably think I'm crazy

510
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.759
<v Speaker 2>to be arriving at their house. I also have him

511
00:27:40.799 --> 00:27:43.839
<v Speaker 2>at the man who bought the house, and he does

512
00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.359
<v Speaker 2>not seem like the kind of guy who would be

513
00:27:45.359 --> 00:27:46.759
<v Speaker 2>interested in that kind of conversation.

514
00:27:47.519 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 5>Is probably best not to Plus, you also don't want

515
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:53.759
<v Speaker 5>to get back into that sphere of influence of the house.

516
00:27:54.440 --> 00:27:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, like whatever is going on with that house is

517
00:27:57.359 --> 00:27:59.559
<v Speaker 2>going on with that house. I have found my own

518
00:27:59.599 --> 00:28:03.720
<v Speaker 2>spiritual journey and I am very uninterested in going backwards.

519
00:28:04.039 --> 00:28:06.440
<v Speaker 5>Do you think practice in these rich will tend to

520
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.799
<v Speaker 5>open you up a little bit more to experience things?

521
00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:16.279
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, and in hindsight, I would never participate in modern day.

522
00:28:16.440 --> 00:28:19.720
<v Speaker 2>I've had a pretty big spiritual change since then, So

523
00:28:19.799 --> 00:28:22.759
<v Speaker 2>looking back, I definitely think we were summoning things we

524
00:28:22.799 --> 00:28:26.200
<v Speaker 2>didn't intend to and I don't think the people participating

525
00:28:26.200 --> 00:28:28.319
<v Speaker 2>really understood what they were getting into because.

526
00:28:28.119 --> 00:28:30.920
<v Speaker 5>Generally weikean is you know, is considered good and it's

527
00:28:31.039 --> 00:28:33.000
<v Speaker 5>more more nature based.

528
00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>Yes, it is absolutely nature based, and most of the

529
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:41.039
<v Speaker 2>things that we did were outside for the purpose of

530
00:28:41.079 --> 00:28:45.799
<v Speaker 2>connecting with nature or the nature's spirits. This particular ritual

531
00:28:45.839 --> 00:28:48.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm referencing was pagan and not Wigan, So I will

532
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:50.519
<v Speaker 2>make that clarification.

533
00:28:50.559 --> 00:28:53.599
<v Speaker 5>Because there's a few blurry lines when it comes to paganism,

534
00:28:53.640 --> 00:28:56.720
<v Speaker 5>isn't it. I mean, generally it means that it's not

535
00:28:57.319 --> 00:29:01.720
<v Speaker 5>worship of any of the main religions, But paganism is

536
00:29:01.759 --> 00:29:03.359
<v Speaker 5>basically everything else, isn't it.

537
00:29:04.039 --> 00:29:07.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it definitely depends on the church, for lack of

538
00:29:07.680 --> 00:29:09.599
<v Speaker 2>a better word, or group.

539
00:29:09.359 --> 00:29:10.039
<v Speaker 3>That you attend.

540
00:29:10.799 --> 00:29:13.440
<v Speaker 2>Some of them have strong opinions about who are what

541
00:29:13.519 --> 00:29:16.119
<v Speaker 2>you're contacting, and some of them are kind of just

542
00:29:16.240 --> 00:29:19.000
<v Speaker 2>general connection with spirits. The group that I was a

543
00:29:19.000 --> 00:29:21.319
<v Speaker 2>part of had some pretty strong opinions about what they

544
00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 2>were contacting and some specific interests in who they were contacting.

545
00:29:25.839 --> 00:29:29.880
<v Speaker 5>And how do you feel now you know the journey

546
00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:30.599
<v Speaker 5>you're on Now?

547
00:29:32.000 --> 00:29:34.519
<v Speaker 2>I feel pretty good about it. I mean, I'm pretty

548
00:29:34.559 --> 00:29:39.119
<v Speaker 2>new to it. I'm still just beginning to like read

549
00:29:39.119 --> 00:29:41.519
<v Speaker 2>the Bible and religious texts and stuff, because this is

550
00:29:41.519 --> 00:29:43.759
<v Speaker 2>a totally new world to me. But I feel a

551
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.400
<v Speaker 2>lot more comfort and consistency with it than I ever.

552
00:29:46.200 --> 00:29:49.359
<v Speaker 3>Did when I was Pagan or wiccan previously.

553
00:29:49.759 --> 00:29:52.200
<v Speaker 5>I know people which you're on both sides. I know

554
00:29:52.440 --> 00:29:55.759
<v Speaker 5>people which you're involved heavily in your Cultsome are only

555
00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:00.680
<v Speaker 5>just tourists, others generation or they've been involved in for years,

556
00:30:00.720 --> 00:30:03.200
<v Speaker 5>their parents have back home quite a long way. And

557
00:30:03.200 --> 00:30:05.880
<v Speaker 5>then I know people which you're on the religious side,

558
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:09.160
<v Speaker 5>and some that have crossed over usually from your cult side.

559
00:30:09.359 --> 00:30:11.839
<v Speaker 5>People are in different places in their life, so I

560
00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:14.720
<v Speaker 5>think sometimes we have to go through certain things, certain

561
00:30:14.799 --> 00:30:18.680
<v Speaker 5>hurd les, certain doors, sort part of life's journey.

562
00:30:18.720 --> 00:30:21.720
<v Speaker 3>I guess, yeah, it's all part of the path. I

563
00:30:21.759 --> 00:30:22.680
<v Speaker 3>don't regret anything.

564
00:30:22.759 --> 00:30:26.960
<v Speaker 2>They all taught me different experiences and lessons, but it's

565
00:30:27.000 --> 00:30:28.640
<v Speaker 2>just definitely something I wouldn't go back to.

566
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.960
<v Speaker 5>I'm glad you're happier anyway. That's the main thing.

567
00:30:41.039 --> 00:30:43.960
<v Speaker 7>You don't always know you're in a cult. Not At first,

568
00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:48.000
<v Speaker 7>it feels like truth, like purpose, like home. Then the

569
00:30:48.079 --> 00:30:51.960
<v Speaker 7>rules change, the world gets smaller, and obedience becomes survival.

570
00:30:52.160 --> 00:30:54.839
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571
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575
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<v Speaker 5>Okay, so, what advice would you have for people which

584
00:31:42.039 --> 00:31:45.640
<v Speaker 5>they're of that age they're kind of exploring different aspects.

585
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.839
<v Speaker 5>What advice would you give to people who are on

586
00:31:48.519 --> 00:31:49.720
<v Speaker 5>this kind of path.

587
00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:51.640
<v Speaker 2>That's kind of hard because I wouldn't have listened to

588
00:31:51.680 --> 00:31:55.519
<v Speaker 2>it when I was that age. I would probably say

589
00:31:55.519 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 2>my best advice is to be very careful when you're

590
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.319
<v Speaker 2>trying to mess with things in the spiritual realm. That

591
00:32:02.440 --> 00:32:04.759
<v Speaker 2>was one of the draws I had to the Christian

592
00:32:04.799 --> 00:32:07.640
<v Speaker 2>faith is that you're not trying to summon anything, You're

593
00:32:07.680 --> 00:32:10.240
<v Speaker 2>not bringing anything forth, and the entity you're talking to

594
00:32:10.599 --> 00:32:16.119
<v Speaker 2>is this all existent thing that is all good. Especially

595
00:32:16.160 --> 00:32:19.319
<v Speaker 2>in the pagan faith, that there is a mentality that

596
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:22.319
<v Speaker 2>not everything that you bring forward is good.

597
00:32:22.480 --> 00:32:24.319
<v Speaker 3>And I definitely saw that firsthand.

598
00:32:24.519 --> 00:32:27.720
<v Speaker 5>Sometimes these these experiences do coincide with things that happen

599
00:32:27.759 --> 00:32:28.839
<v Speaker 5>in our personal life.

600
00:32:28.920 --> 00:32:32.640
<v Speaker 2>I just had a series of very weird experiences, very

601
00:32:32.680 --> 00:32:36.480
<v Speaker 2>similar to the black Satin thing that came over me.

602
00:32:37.200 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 3>I was seeing a lot.

603
00:32:38.440 --> 00:32:41.640
<v Speaker 2>Of shadow figures in my home and having just a

604
00:32:41.680 --> 00:32:43.359
<v Speaker 2>collection of strange happenings.

605
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:44.279
<v Speaker 3>And then I had a.

606
00:32:44.279 --> 00:32:49.799
<v Speaker 2>Few pretty terrible personal life things happen which I personally correlated,

607
00:32:49.920 --> 00:32:53.440
<v Speaker 2>and I chose to fully leave anything doing with paganism.

608
00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:57.519
<v Speaker 2>And then the next year I felt very called to Christianity.

609
00:32:57.759 --> 00:33:01.759
<v Speaker 2>I had some strange and sinces again that just made

610
00:33:01.799 --> 00:33:02.720
<v Speaker 2>me feel called that way.

611
00:33:02.839 --> 00:33:04.880
<v Speaker 5>Like you said, you know, when you're young, you wouldn't

612
00:33:04.880 --> 00:33:06.680
<v Speaker 5>have listened. Now, I wouldn't have listened when I was

613
00:33:06.720 --> 00:33:10.039
<v Speaker 5>like younger the same, and most people wouldn't. But it's

614
00:33:10.119 --> 00:33:11.440
<v Speaker 5>all hindsight, though, Wasn't.

615
00:33:11.279 --> 00:33:13.799
<v Speaker 3>It definitely hindsight? It's always twenty twenty.

616
00:33:13.920 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 5>You know, as we get older, we learned these things,

617
00:33:16.160 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 5>and that's what it's all about. The encounter in the woods,

618
00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:22.640
<v Speaker 5>that is a very strange one. And this property used

619
00:33:22.640 --> 00:33:24.799
<v Speaker 5>to go out into the woods and have lunch, and

620
00:33:24.839 --> 00:33:26.160
<v Speaker 5>this was during hunting season.

621
00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 3>You said, yeah, I.

622
00:33:28.079 --> 00:33:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Was not allowed to be in the woods, but I

623
00:33:29.759 --> 00:33:32.039
<v Speaker 2>loved being in there. But I would always wear my

624
00:33:32.079 --> 00:33:35.759
<v Speaker 2>own neons so that I was visible. I didn't want

625
00:33:35.799 --> 00:33:38.440
<v Speaker 2>to encounter a hunter in the woods, but I didn't

626
00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:40.599
<v Speaker 2>think it was that dangerous because I'd seen them in

627
00:33:40.599 --> 00:33:43.279
<v Speaker 2>the woods before. They they're looking for deer, they're not

628
00:33:43.319 --> 00:33:45.759
<v Speaker 2>looking for you. As long as you're identifying yourself, it's

629
00:33:45.799 --> 00:33:48.880
<v Speaker 2>not that dangerous. My parents just wanted me to be safe.

630
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:52.759
<v Speaker 5>And was this a certain area where you witnessed this

631
00:33:52.960 --> 00:33:56.680
<v Speaker 5>person's individual. Was that a location that you would always

632
00:33:56.839 --> 00:33:58.599
<v Speaker 5>go to? Was that a fresh location?

633
00:33:59.079 --> 00:34:01.680
<v Speaker 3>It was always a looking I went to. The woods

634
00:34:01.680 --> 00:34:05.200
<v Speaker 3>were really, really dense, and there was very little place

635
00:34:05.519 --> 00:34:09.360
<v Speaker 3>to be besides this area. Except the area was quite

636
00:34:09.400 --> 00:34:12.840
<v Speaker 3>hard to get to, probably two maybe three.

637
00:34:12.679 --> 00:34:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Miles past the edge of my house, the edge of

638
00:34:15.480 --> 00:34:18.239
<v Speaker 2>the tree line on my house, so it was kind

639
00:34:18.239 --> 00:34:21.000
<v Speaker 2>of a deep walk in but once you got to it,

640
00:34:21.000 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 2>it was just this kind of perfect circle in the

641
00:34:23.280 --> 00:34:25.960
<v Speaker 2>woods with like one down tree in the middle that

642
00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:28.559
<v Speaker 2>was a perfect place to sit. I really loved it,

643
00:34:28.639 --> 00:34:31.199
<v Speaker 2>and it got excellent sunlight so it was always warm,

644
00:34:31.880 --> 00:34:33.880
<v Speaker 2>and I liked that it was kind of away from

645
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.159
<v Speaker 2>the risk of the hunter as being in the deep woods.

646
00:34:36.519 --> 00:34:38.480
<v Speaker 5>So this area was like a clearing.

647
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm actually not really sure why it was there.

648
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:43.360
<v Speaker 2>It was kind of just like a random clearing in

649
00:34:43.400 --> 00:34:45.760
<v Speaker 2>the woods, but there were no trees besides the one

650
00:34:45.760 --> 00:34:49.320
<v Speaker 2>that had fallen into it. It was probably I don't know,

651
00:34:49.440 --> 00:34:51.719
<v Speaker 2>the size of like half of a football field, which

652
00:34:51.719 --> 00:34:54.400
<v Speaker 2>I realized is such an American way to measure space,

653
00:34:54.920 --> 00:34:56.440
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, it was probably about half the size of

654
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 2>a football field.

655
00:34:57.559 --> 00:35:01.400
<v Speaker 5>It's probably the best way. Yeah, that's how I measure

656
00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:04.400
<v Speaker 5>things because so many of my guests and listeners are

657
00:35:04.440 --> 00:35:06.880
<v Speaker 5>American obviously, so that's yes, that's how I measure set. Oh,

658
00:35:06.880 --> 00:35:08.199
<v Speaker 5>it's about a football field away.

659
00:35:08.559 --> 00:35:09.880
<v Speaker 3>It's a good metric of distance.

660
00:35:10.320 --> 00:35:14.519
<v Speaker 2>But yeah, the clearing was somewhat large, definitely enough space

661
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:16.719
<v Speaker 2>to enjoy lunch and kind of walk around and have

662
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:19.079
<v Speaker 2>a nice, nice time out there.

663
00:35:19.320 --> 00:35:22.320
<v Speaker 5>Had you heard anything strange in this area before.

664
00:35:22.880 --> 00:35:26.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was definitely some strange things in the woods

665
00:35:26.119 --> 00:35:30.239
<v Speaker 2>and in this area, but I never saw anything, certainly

666
00:35:30.280 --> 00:35:33.440
<v Speaker 2>not as obvious as that guy. I'd often see like

667
00:35:33.559 --> 00:35:36.960
<v Speaker 2>shadows through the woods. I'd often hear like voices kind

668
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 2>of just disembodied in the in the far off, or

669
00:35:39.559 --> 00:35:42.519
<v Speaker 2>fear footsteps and stuff. All of that, though, I was

670
00:35:42.559 --> 00:35:46.800
<v Speaker 2>able to rationalize being either hunters or deer or animals,

671
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:50.639
<v Speaker 2>which might not have been true, but it was all

672
00:35:50.719 --> 00:35:54.000
<v Speaker 2>kind of disregardable. When I saw the sky that was

673
00:35:54.079 --> 00:35:57.639
<v Speaker 2>not that was clear as day. I could have touched him.

674
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:00.599
<v Speaker 5>Completely in a place. He was where in the wrong

675
00:36:00.719 --> 00:36:01.920
<v Speaker 5>kind of clothes for the year.

676
00:36:02.519 --> 00:36:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was cold.

677
00:36:03.920 --> 00:36:06.199
<v Speaker 2>It was the beginning of winter, end of fall, so

678
00:36:06.920 --> 00:36:09.760
<v Speaker 2>around here it would probably be no warmer than like

679
00:36:09.880 --> 00:36:11.079
<v Speaker 2>forty degrees fahrenheit.

680
00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.039
<v Speaker 3>And he was wearing like shorts and a T shirt.

681
00:36:14.239 --> 00:36:17.239
<v Speaker 2>And like I said, also, it was really really weird

682
00:36:17.280 --> 00:36:19.119
<v Speaker 2>for you to be in the woods without neons on.

683
00:36:19.239 --> 00:36:22.159
<v Speaker 2>You would definitely be a risk of being shot by

684
00:36:22.199 --> 00:36:25.800
<v Speaker 2>a hunter. Like there's heavy deer hunting in that area,

685
00:36:26.280 --> 00:36:29.079
<v Speaker 2>so for him to be walking around in a dark

686
00:36:29.119 --> 00:36:32.280
<v Speaker 2>colored T shirt and shorts, especially in that area at

687
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that time was extremely out of place.

688
00:36:34.960 --> 00:36:37.800
<v Speaker 5>If it had been a neighbor, from a neighbor improper

689
00:36:37.840 --> 00:36:39.159
<v Speaker 5>to you would have recognized him.

690
00:36:39.079 --> 00:36:40.440
<v Speaker 3>I guess absolutely.

691
00:36:40.760 --> 00:36:44.360
<v Speaker 2>But he would have had to walk like ten plus

692
00:36:44.400 --> 00:36:46.559
<v Speaker 2>miles if he was a neighbor. We lived on a

693
00:36:46.599 --> 00:36:50.159
<v Speaker 2>really large piece of farmland. The neighbors were not close.

694
00:36:50.199 --> 00:36:51.960
<v Speaker 2>It would have been a really really long truck for

695
00:36:52.039 --> 00:36:54.679
<v Speaker 2>him to take. And if he was a neighbor, he

696
00:36:54.719 --> 00:36:56.280
<v Speaker 2>certainly wouldn't have been dressed like that.

697
00:36:56.360 --> 00:36:57.400
<v Speaker 3>He would have known better.

698
00:36:57.559 --> 00:37:01.159
<v Speaker 5>Right, Okay, And he looked at least solid to you.

699
00:37:01.639 --> 00:37:03.159
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he looked just like you and me.

700
00:37:03.679 --> 00:37:08.039
<v Speaker 5>So he sounded normal. He looked completely normal. But he

701
00:37:08.239 --> 00:37:10.119
<v Speaker 5>disappeared behind this tree.

702
00:37:10.639 --> 00:37:13.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he just he looked at me confused when I

703
00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:17.000
<v Speaker 2>talked to him, probably looked as confused as I looked

704
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.880
<v Speaker 2>at him. And then he sidestepped as if he was

705
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:23.199
<v Speaker 2>trying to find out like his placement. He was just

706
00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:26.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of looking around, and then took a step to

707
00:37:26.599 --> 00:37:30.840
<v Speaker 2>the I think to his right, behind a tree, but

708
00:37:30.920 --> 00:37:35.079
<v Speaker 2>a really really thin birch like sapling, maybe four to

709
00:37:35.159 --> 00:37:39.159
<v Speaker 2>five inches wide. But as he shifted behind the tree,

710
00:37:39.599 --> 00:37:42.880
<v Speaker 2>nothing came out on the other side. He just kind

711
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.599
<v Speaker 2>of disappeared behind the tree. He was too thin for

712
00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:49.960
<v Speaker 2>him to have even been standing like sideways at the tree.

713
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.559
<v Speaker 2>So I ran over. We were not that far apart.

714
00:37:54.599 --> 00:37:58.960
<v Speaker 2>We were probably ten to fifteen feet apart. So when

715
00:37:58.960 --> 00:38:01.239
<v Speaker 2>he disappears behind this tree, I sprint over to it,

716
00:38:01.960 --> 00:38:04.079
<v Speaker 2>and there's no one there, and.

717
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 3>He couldn't have gone anywhere.

718
00:38:05.400 --> 00:38:08.320
<v Speaker 2>There was no place for him to have gone without

719
00:38:08.320 --> 00:38:10.719
<v Speaker 2>it being really obvious, like I was staring right.

720
00:38:10.599 --> 00:38:11.480
<v Speaker 3>At him the whole time.

721
00:38:12.079 --> 00:38:14.199
<v Speaker 5>Ten to fifteen feet that is really close.

722
00:38:14.239 --> 00:38:15.880
<v Speaker 3>Then, yeah, it was pretty close.

723
00:38:16.239 --> 00:38:18.519
<v Speaker 5>And you ran over and you went right in the

724
00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 5>back of the tree and nothing.

725
00:38:21.199 --> 00:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>Yep.

726
00:38:21.719 --> 00:38:22.039
<v Speaker 3>Nothing.

727
00:38:22.880 --> 00:38:25.519
<v Speaker 5>That's creepy verst as you're on your own in the

728
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:26.519
<v Speaker 5>middle of these woods.

729
00:38:27.079 --> 00:38:28.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was definitely disconcerting.

730
00:38:29.280 --> 00:38:31.719
<v Speaker 5>Do you have any theory or what do you think

731
00:38:31.760 --> 00:38:33.519
<v Speaker 5>it could have been? Or where did he go?

732
00:38:34.159 --> 00:38:35.880
<v Speaker 3>Honestly, I have no idea.

733
00:38:36.159 --> 00:38:38.159
<v Speaker 2>The only thing that I can possibly think of, like

734
00:38:38.239 --> 00:38:42.039
<v Speaker 2>in hindsight, even though this sounds kind of ridiculous.

735
00:38:41.599 --> 00:38:45.480
<v Speaker 3>Is that he was like out of place in this universe.

736
00:38:45.599 --> 00:38:48.440
<v Speaker 2>I think he just kind of stepped into a portal,

737
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:51.840
<v Speaker 2>ended up here, said whoops, and then stepped back.

738
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:55.239
<v Speaker 3>I have no idea what that was, though.

739
00:38:55.360 --> 00:38:58.760
<v Speaker 5>That's as good as any. And the amount of times

740
00:38:58.800 --> 00:39:02.880
<v Speaker 5>I've heard about not only people vanish in but also

741
00:39:02.960 --> 00:39:06.280
<v Speaker 5>where people have gone missing and they say that they

742
00:39:06.440 --> 00:39:09.519
<v Speaker 5>vanished and they could see people around them, they couldn't

743
00:39:09.559 --> 00:39:11.679
<v Speaker 5>be seen themselves. If you see what I mean, it's

744
00:39:11.719 --> 00:39:15.440
<v Speaker 5>like they've passed through an area where they've become completely invisible.

745
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, he's That's exactly what it seemed like.

746
00:39:20.199 --> 00:39:23.159
<v Speaker 2>He was so out of place, and the confusion that

747
00:39:23.199 --> 00:39:26.440
<v Speaker 2>he looked at me with was so strange, and his

748
00:39:26.599 --> 00:39:28.159
<v Speaker 2>question to me, like what are you doing here?

749
00:39:29.239 --> 00:39:30.760
<v Speaker 3>It was all just very bizarre.

750
00:39:31.320 --> 00:39:32.280
<v Speaker 5>What are you doing here?

751
00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:32.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah?

752
00:39:32.639 --> 00:39:35.599
<v Speaker 5>So it could be that maybe he was from another time,

753
00:39:36.000 --> 00:39:39.079
<v Speaker 5>you know, walking around his own property maybe, and he

754
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:43.239
<v Speaker 5>just kind of crossed the veil I guess, and saw

755
00:39:43.280 --> 00:39:43.760
<v Speaker 5>you there.

756
00:39:44.159 --> 00:39:45.440
<v Speaker 3>That's kind of my only guess.

757
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:50.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, from his perspective, I was probably dressed ridiculously too,

758
00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:54.079
<v Speaker 2>being kind of like a modern child dressed in winter clothing.

759
00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:57.840
<v Speaker 5>And did you ever look into any stories of other

760
00:39:57.880 --> 00:39:59.719
<v Speaker 5>people seeing similar figures.

761
00:40:00.079 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 3>I've never really looked into other stories of it.

762
00:40:02.360 --> 00:40:04.000
<v Speaker 2>But I had friends who would come over to my

763
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:06.360
<v Speaker 2>house often and we would go into the woods, and

764
00:40:06.639 --> 00:40:09.239
<v Speaker 2>I had another friend who saw a very similar situation,

765
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 2>probably a year later at.

766
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:11.960
<v Speaker 3>The same clearing.

767
00:40:12.599 --> 00:40:14.760
<v Speaker 5>That was it identical or I.

768
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Personally didn't see him, but she describes him exactly the

769
00:40:17.159 --> 00:40:17.880
<v Speaker 2>same as I did.

770
00:40:18.239 --> 00:40:20.039
<v Speaker 3>A little bit. He was dressed kind of for.

771
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:21.880
<v Speaker 2>The summer, but we again saw him in the winter,

772
00:40:22.639 --> 00:40:24.119
<v Speaker 2>or it was winter when we were there.

773
00:40:24.360 --> 00:40:27.000
<v Speaker 5>What about stories of missing people? I mean, is it

774
00:40:27.039 --> 00:40:28.920
<v Speaker 5>a wide area, this woodland.

775
00:40:29.360 --> 00:40:32.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's quite vast. My farm was probably the most

776
00:40:32.440 --> 00:40:36.519
<v Speaker 2>near part to it. However, this isn't really a place

777
00:40:36.559 --> 00:40:39.119
<v Speaker 2>that someone would be able to survive in. You definitely

778
00:40:39.119 --> 00:40:42.480
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be able to camp and make a good house

779
00:40:42.519 --> 00:40:44.760
<v Speaker 2>there for much more than three or four months of

780
00:40:44.760 --> 00:40:45.159
<v Speaker 2>the season.

781
00:40:45.719 --> 00:40:47.880
<v Speaker 5>So I'm guess in these woods are probably quite ancient.

782
00:40:47.920 --> 00:40:51.239
<v Speaker 5>It's probably a lot of stories involved in these woods.

783
00:40:51.840 --> 00:40:54.760
<v Speaker 3>Yes, they definitely have a lot of history to them.

784
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:57.800
<v Speaker 2>The particular clearing that I was in used to be

785
00:40:58.039 --> 00:41:00.679
<v Speaker 2>one of the I think it was like a pasture

786
00:41:00.719 --> 00:41:02.320
<v Speaker 2>or something for some of the animals that used to

787
00:41:02.360 --> 00:41:04.599
<v Speaker 2>be on the farm. But the part of the farm

788
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:07.440
<v Speaker 2>that I lived on was much smaller than the original farm,

789
00:41:08.599 --> 00:41:10.679
<v Speaker 2>so there was lots of stuff in the woods, like

790
00:41:10.800 --> 00:41:17.000
<v Speaker 2>old rock stacked fences and strange clearings. Once in a

791
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:21.400
<v Speaker 2>while you'd encounter some like watering troth looking objects.

792
00:41:21.480 --> 00:41:24.159
<v Speaker 5>And did you have to witnessing this guy? Did you

793
00:41:24.159 --> 00:41:26.280
<v Speaker 5>ever go back there and have your picnic again?

794
00:41:26.599 --> 00:41:29.280
<v Speaker 2>I did go back a few times, never had any

795
00:41:29.400 --> 00:41:33.719
<v Speaker 2>other weird experiences like that, but definitely consistently still heard

796
00:41:33.920 --> 00:41:37.800
<v Speaker 2>like the footsteps and the disembodied voices and stuff. It

797
00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:40.880
<v Speaker 2>never deterred me. I never felt scared back there. I

798
00:41:40.920 --> 00:41:42.920
<v Speaker 2>actually didn't even feel scared by this guy. It was

799
00:41:43.039 --> 00:41:45.079
<v Speaker 2>just a very strange experience.

800
00:41:45.079 --> 00:41:48.280
<v Speaker 5>And an experience that you would never forget. Shiloh.

801
00:41:48.639 --> 00:41:53.639
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it sticks in my brain like nothing else. There's

802
00:41:53.639 --> 00:41:57.840
<v Speaker 2>no explanation for it, and just I keep thinking about it,

803
00:41:57.920 --> 00:42:00.400
<v Speaker 2>like what happened?

804
00:42:00.400 --> 00:42:01.960
<v Speaker 3>Like why did that occur?

805
00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 5>There's certainly an interesting experience, that's for sure. Didn't seem

806
00:42:05.559 --> 00:42:07.519
<v Speaker 5>to be any danger or anything like that. It's just

807
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:10.760
<v Speaker 5>both your paths crossed point in time.

808
00:42:11.159 --> 00:42:13.840
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, the vibe was definitely mutual confusion.

809
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:17.800
<v Speaker 5>To our listeners out there, if you've experienced something similar

810
00:42:17.880 --> 00:42:20.559
<v Speaker 5>to what Shiloh has, do, get in contact. I'll be

811
00:42:20.599 --> 00:42:23.000
<v Speaker 5>interested in hearing any similar accounts.

812
00:42:23.199 --> 00:42:24.559
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would definitely be curious.

813
00:42:24.639 --> 00:42:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I've never really encountered anyone who's experienced something similar in

814
00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.360
<v Speaker 2>that regard. And I have some pictures that I'll send

815
00:42:31.400 --> 00:42:34.760
<v Speaker 2>you of the doll and a bird's eye view of

816
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:36.840
<v Speaker 2>the place that I grew up that can kind of

817
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:40.440
<v Speaker 2>show you the distance between the house and that clearing.

818
00:42:40.920 --> 00:42:42.800
<v Speaker 5>Perfect. Yeah, if you do that, and what we do

819
00:42:42.880 --> 00:42:44.719
<v Speaker 5>is we'll put that on the website and then our

820
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:47.679
<v Speaker 5>listeners can go and check it out. Good stuff, Shiloh.

821
00:42:47.920 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 5>I really appreciate you coming on sharing that for our listeners.

822
00:42:50.880 --> 00:42:52.039
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you very much.

823
00:42:52.440 --> 00:42:55.159
<v Speaker 5>You are more than welcome. All Right, it's great speaking

824
00:42:55.199 --> 00:42:57.679
<v Speaker 5>to you, and it's wonderful to hear these accounts, and

825
00:42:57.719 --> 00:42:59.320
<v Speaker 5>to be honest with your shidow, they were a little

826
00:42:59.320 --> 00:43:01.199
<v Speaker 5>bit creepy, but we enjoyed them.

827
00:43:01.440 --> 00:43:03.880
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, thank you very much, and big.

828
00:43:03.639 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 5>Thanks to the partner as well for getting you to

829
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:06.320
<v Speaker 5>come back.

830
00:43:06.679 --> 00:43:08.199
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, shout out to my husband for that.

831
00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:12.000
<v Speaker 5>Share to the husband, take care and we will speak soon.

832
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:13.119
<v Speaker 3>Sounds great.

833
00:43:13.199 --> 00:43:15.960
<v Speaker 5>Thank you bye for now. Well, that is all for

834
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:20.039
<v Speaker 5>this episode. Keep updated and connected with a show on x,

835
00:43:20.320 --> 00:43:23.599
<v Speaker 5>Facebook and Instagram, and if you have an encounter that

836
00:43:23.639 --> 00:43:27.000
<v Speaker 5>you'd like to share on the podcast, you can email

837
00:43:27.079 --> 00:43:31.559
<v Speaker 5>me at UFO Chronicles at gmail dot com, or you

838
00:43:31.599 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 5>can reach out to me via the contact page on

839
00:43:34.280 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 5>my website ufo Chronicles podcast dot com. A big thank

840
00:43:39.599 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 5>you the Shiloh for sharing tonight, and thank you all

841
00:43:42.639 --> 00:43:46.239
<v Speaker 5>for listening. I will be back next week. Till then,

842
00:43:46.679 --> 00:44:46.199
<v Speaker 5>stay safe and keep watching the skies. Goodbye,