Speaker 1: What's up party, people, and welcome to Countdown to Classic,
Speaker 1: where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey everyone,
Speaker 1: and welcome to another episode of Countdown to Classic. It's
Speaker 1: so wonderful to have you all here again. And today
Speaker 1: we've got a big episode all about yes, you guessed it,
Speaker 1: TBC Classic to the Revenge guys. Look, you'll hear a
Speaker 1: whole monologue about why we're talking about TVC and what's
Speaker 1: going on with me and the guild and everything, So
Speaker 1: please just listen in when the call starts and you'll
Speaker 1: get the whole explanation behind everything. Please do enjoy this
Speaker 1: episode though, and you know, as the episode says, please
Speaker 1: do join the guild. Please, if you are, you know,
Speaker 1: inclined to play TBC Classic two point zero, then please
Speaker 1: do come join the Countdown crew. We would love to
Speaker 1: have you. You know, we're not against having a large
Speaker 1: guild with multiple raid teams. We'll just be dicking around.
Speaker 1: We're not going super sweaty guys. So if you're a
Speaker 1: really hardcore ninety nine parsler who lives for you know,
Speaker 1: purple numbers, then maybe we won't be the guild for you.
Speaker 1: But if you're a bit more relaxed about it, you know,
Speaker 1: not saying we want people who don't press their buttons.
Speaker 1: But if you're just a fucking, you know, capable casual player,
Speaker 1: then come hit us up. It's all good. But after
Speaker 1: this call, guys, I'll speak to you at the end. Thanks.
Speaker 2: See up.
Speaker 1: All right, everyone, welcome back to another countdown to classic
Speaker 1: I am. I've just told the boys who are all
Speaker 1: sitting here hanging out and talking battlefield and shooting the shit,
Speaker 1: and then I drop in and go, hi, boys, what's
Speaker 1: tying to podcast? And I've completely blown up their fun conversation.
Speaker 1: But I'm very much so like still half asleep. I
Speaker 1: literally woke up ten minutes ago and I'm fucked. So
Speaker 1: I'm going to ease my way into this one. I
Speaker 1: think I've got breakfast on the way with the coffee
Speaker 1: which will arrive soon, which will be great and much needed.
Speaker 1: But let me introduce the crew who are going to
Speaker 1: carry me while I wake up. And it's all your
Speaker 1: old favorites, and I really am looking forward to actually
Speaker 1: just casually shooting this shit about a bunch of big
Speaker 1: issues that have come up over the last two weeks.
Speaker 1: With these guys, we're starting off with we'll go in
Speaker 1: alphabetical order. How about that Australian and casual hunk impersonator
Speaker 1: camp sye mate.
Speaker 2: How are you going on? Mate?
Speaker 1: It's great, great to have you. We've got old favorite
Speaker 1: and a prodigal son always welcome back on the show,
Speaker 1: Gali boy, y'all. Next up, we've got a person who
Speaker 1: has very quickly. We found him relatively recently on Epoch
Speaker 1: and he's very much so carved a spot in all
Speaker 1: of our hearts, the people who've been playing Wower fair
Speaker 1: bit recently and logging on and doing shit with the guild.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy to have found him because he's been
Speaker 1: such a fucking amazing addition to the guild attitude wise
Speaker 1: and gameplay wise. Green mate, how are you chilling?
Speaker 3: Just crack the beer?
Speaker 1: That's the way maybe we were just we were just
Speaker 1: saying the other day you you weren't in voice chat
Speaker 1: and we've gone fucking green. That can't just I'm sorry
Speaker 1: about the notification. That can't just offers to help everyone
Speaker 1: all the time on Epoch and whatever. He just like,
Speaker 1: no matter what you're doing, he just drops what he's
Speaker 1: doing and goes, yeah, no, worries. I'll come heal that dungeon,
Speaker 1: or I'll come do that for you, like it's you're
Speaker 1: an angel, so we don't deserve you.
Speaker 3: Shit happens.
Speaker 1: Very good. All right, This next caun't I tell you what.
Speaker 1: He's been very busy lately, and I personally have been
Speaker 1: crying myself to sleep because it's been way too long
Speaker 1: since he's been on the show, and I think of
Speaker 1: him on a daily basis ubiquitous mate, how are you?
Speaker 4: I'm doing well? Thank you, good to be back.
Speaker 1: Good to have you back, sunshine. And next up he's
Speaker 1: just he's like herpes. You can't get rid of him.
Speaker 1: We love him, vestige, how I how's it going, good man?
Speaker 1: And finally, I mean fuck. I threw out the prodigal
Speaker 1: son reference before, but maybe this person is the true
Speaker 1: prodigal son because we've been backing and forthing over all
Speaker 1: this TBC bullshit, and then he came allbit on a
Speaker 1: short term basis. But we'll see how we go. He
Speaker 1: came back to us recently. Yeah, how are you mate?
Speaker 4: Good?
Speaker 1: That's the way.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 1: We've had a few more people drop in since I
Speaker 1: dropped the announcement, so I'll just very quickly say hello
Speaker 1: to someone who is truly becoming the heart and soul
Speaker 1: of the Countdown guild. Easy, mate, how are you?
Speaker 3: It's so josh mate.
Speaker 2: Fuck.
Speaker 1: We've played a lot of Wow together over the last
Speaker 1: few weeks, haven't we.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we really have been fun.
Speaker 1: It's it's been a lovely fun time forging these social
Speaker 1: bonds with all of you guys. But guys, let's get
Speaker 1: into it. Look like I said, I'll have to throw
Speaker 1: it out to you while I wake up, but I
Speaker 1: will have to find the energy to deliver a little bit.
Speaker 1: Just bear with me for five minutes while I give
Speaker 1: a bit of a monologue to intro this episode. And
Speaker 1: this is the last time I'm going to have you
Speaker 1: sit there in awkward silence while you have to fucking
Speaker 1: listen to me. But a lot of your podcast listeners
Speaker 1: will be sort of out of the loop on what's
Speaker 1: been happening lately over the last you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's been two weeks or three weeks maybe since the
Speaker 1: last podcast episode. A lot has happened actually in that
Speaker 1: time in the Countdown discord, and like I'd always do,
Speaker 1: I beg you guys to join the Countdown discord so
Speaker 1: you can sort of keep up with what's going on
Speaker 1: in between podcast episodes, because really, if you want to
Speaker 1: know what's going on with everything countdown, just read what
Speaker 1: we're talking about there, and then you won't be left,
Speaker 1: you know, behind, when we change servers or announce that
Speaker 1: we're doing some fun in game event or something like that.
Speaker 1: But look, guys, I've been on the show over the
Speaker 1: last three four months, five on whatever, just going epoch
Speaker 1: epoch epoch. This fucking server is amazing. It's the private
Speaker 1: server that has come to save World of Warcraft. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, it's so good and we loved it, We
Speaker 1: really did. The content was fantastic. I will have a
Speaker 1: very very angry shouting match with any fuck with who's like,
Speaker 1: h you mean that buggy piece of shit server? Fuck off,
Speaker 1: you loser. You're not a true gamer. Oh yes I am.
Speaker 1: True gamers don't accept bugs. Go fucking kiss my assy
Speaker 1: piece of shit. The content was ten out of ten.
Speaker 1: If you can't fucking walk away from a game that
Speaker 1: one out of you know, ten, quest was fucking bugged
Speaker 1: and just shrug your shoulders and get over it. I
Speaker 1: don't want to talk to you. You're a weird wow
Speaker 1: fucking tool who I don't want anything to do with.
Speaker 1: That server was fucking amazing, and quite frankly, you know,
Speaker 1: if you've been listening to Countdown a Classic for any
Speaker 1: period of time, all the smart people and all the
Speaker 1: cool people who have played ridiculous amounts of Wow over
Speaker 1: the last twenty years agreed that Epoch was just number one.
Speaker 1: The amount of fucking people I trust who's wow. This
Speaker 1: was a fucking top tier Classic Plus experience Like that
Speaker 1: was a really really like not something I wouldn't go
Speaker 1: as far as saying, it's not like they're going, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't mind that that server is now, you know,
Speaker 1: apparently dead in the water, because they all say, I'm
Speaker 1: just glad I did that leveling experience, Like I got
Speaker 1: to see exactly what I said on the show. I
Speaker 1: got to see an example and play through an example
Speaker 1: of what a really good Classic Plus experience could be,
Speaker 1: and we all did it. I leveled, you know, I
Speaker 1: got one character to sixty, I got a second character
Speaker 1: to about forty five, and we all had a brilliant time.
Speaker 1: So like, just you know, if you're that person who's
Speaker 1: listening to this going, you're all fucking Idiot's epoch was horrendous.
Speaker 1: Trust me, you're the problem, not us there, I fucking
Speaker 1: said it, get over it. But like epoch then did
Speaker 1: go through the motions of it's very clearly now been
Speaker 1: abandoned by the Ascension team. I held out as long
Speaker 1: as I could. I huffed all the kopium I could on. No, no, maybe, maybe,
Speaker 1: just maybe something's going to happen here. You never know,
Speaker 1: And I said, there's no way they don't release the
Speaker 1: first raid tier for this private server. That never fucking happens. Well, unfortunately,
Speaker 1: all signs are pointing to that fucking happening. The population
Speaker 1: is down to now, like you know, one hundred, one
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty people logging on a daily basis countdown
Speaker 1: was making up fucking ten percent of those numbers, and
Speaker 1: just silence, these these pricks over it Ascension, They went
Speaker 1: full ascension. You know, they couldn't find a team to
Speaker 1: develop a thing, they how hard they were looking for
Speaker 1: the team to develop the thing. Who knows when they've
Speaker 1: got Bronze Beard launching over there as their cash cow.
Speaker 1: Now this thing just looks all but abandoned. So unfortunately,
Speaker 1: many of us who held on to the last minute,
Speaker 1: just had to sort of at a certain point, go, look, guys,
Speaker 1: I we stayed six weeks later than everyone else, and
Speaker 1: it just looks like nothing's happening here. So many of
Speaker 1: us have unfortunately now had to jump from Epoch, which
Speaker 1: is really tragic. So I'll just say the next part
Speaker 1: and then throw it out to you guys about the
Speaker 1: Epoch thing, and easy, please tee up a nice little
Speaker 1: Epoch love letter while I finished this thought off. But
Speaker 1: basically I got to a point where many of you
Speaker 1: were apparently experiencing the same thing with the death of Epoch.
Speaker 1: With me not being happy with Bronze beeared, I tried
Speaker 1: out fucking you know what was it, storm Forge to
Speaker 1: whatever the wrath five X server, because I was that desperate.
Speaker 1: It was fucking I wasn't really enjoying that because five
Speaker 1: X is a joke, and you wind up in you know,
Speaker 1: level thirty and forty dungeons with level twenty gear on
Speaker 1: because you can't get gear drops because you're progressing so quickly,
Speaker 1: and you've got no cash, so you can't buy anything
Speaker 1: off the auction house, and everything was quite inflated on
Speaker 1: the auction house. So that was a pretty bad experience.
Speaker 1: So I was just so desperate for some Wow. I
Speaker 1: love me some Wow. Obviously got the podcast about it.
Speaker 1: I need to play some Wow. So, you know, found
Speaker 1: myself in the position that some of you did, where
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, I so loudly and triumphantly declared
Speaker 1: that my you know sub was over four months ago
Speaker 1: on the show, and now I find myself in the
Speaker 1: Simpsons moment, walking through the supplicant box, you know, crawling
Speaker 1: through to Tim slash mister Burns going, you know, can
Speaker 1: I resub and I don't know, maybe play some TBC Anniversary.
Speaker 1: Even though I'm not that psyched about it, I'll still
Speaker 1: I just have to play some Wow. I need some
Speaker 1: decent Wow, and there's nothing decent on the market at
Speaker 1: the moment, so fuck it. I'll just play TBC. And
Speaker 1: Tim's obviously there, you know, going, so you've come crawling back. So, guys,
Speaker 1: what I'm getting at is many of us have now
Speaker 1: moved over to TBC Anniversary. I said on the show,
Speaker 1: I had zero interest in TBC again, but there is
Speaker 1: just nothing else to play. And it's so unfortunate that,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not like we I was never going
Speaker 1: to resub to Blizzard again. But it's so unfortunate that
Speaker 1: I have come crawling back in the circumstances that I
Speaker 1: thought i'd be coming back because a red hot new
Speaker 1: product would be out, as opposed to coming back because
Speaker 1: this is nothing else, you know that I want to play.
Speaker 1: Everything else is out on the market is worse than
Speaker 1: what Blizzard has to offer at the moment. But like,
Speaker 1: you know, what they've got isn't that red hot either,
Speaker 1: So I'm a little bit bummed out about that. But
Speaker 1: we're making you know, fucking lemonade out of lemons and
Speaker 1: a bunch of us about I think seventy five people
Speaker 1: are in the Countdown Guild on TBC Anniversary. We're playing
Speaker 1: on dream side, the PvE server hoard side, so please
Speaker 1: come and join us. We will be doing a big
Speaker 1: recruiting drive through the show to get people into this big,
Speaker 1: fun Countdown Guild like we did on Epoch. It with
Speaker 1: such an amazing experience that we want to replicate. So
Speaker 1: that's the news. Like, I'm not overly enthused about it,
Speaker 1: but we're doing it. I'm playing a fuckload of it.
Speaker 1: Don't think I'm not psyched about it. And we're easy
Speaker 1: and I've been tearing this shit apart, but TBC and
Speaker 1: is you know, it's like the fourth server move for
Speaker 1: countdown in the last fucking four months. I know it's tiring,
Speaker 1: but that's just where we are now. There. I've said
Speaker 1: my spiel. Easy, let me throw it over to you
Speaker 1: and just any comments on anything that I just said
Speaker 1: personally from you about you know, the death of Epoch
Speaker 1: and the move over to TBC, and that's right.
Speaker 5: Yeah, EPUK was was a time like that was a
Speaker 5: great period of time. We all got to experience some
Speaker 5: kind of what a class and plus might be. There
Speaker 5: were so many cool little changes. Nothing huge like Bronze Beard.
Speaker 5: I mean we also, you know, came on here and
Speaker 5: talked about how we were trying that. But Epoch was fantastic.
Speaker 5: And I think that probably every day in guilt chat
Speaker 5: or you know, for in a party or something like that,
Speaker 5: everybody's mentioning, oh man, I missed this about EPOC or
Speaker 5: EPOC did this better? And you know, the hope is
Speaker 5: is that Blizzard somehow is paying attention.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know if they are or they aren't, but
Speaker 5: there are a lot of really positive things that came
Speaker 5: out from EPAC. And it's funny too because we all
Speaker 5: ended up on anniversary not because we're excited for TBC.
Speaker 5: But again, like you said, it's just waiting for EPOC.
Speaker 5: Like I'm telling you right now, for you pop MC
Speaker 5: is going to launch, and you know on this date,
Speaker 5: I'd honestly jump back over there and participate in that
Speaker 5: again sooner than I would re re re release of TVC.
Speaker 5: So it's kind of where my head's at. This is
Speaker 5: just a waiting room for other Epoch to do some
Speaker 5: kind of content release, which again is looking like it's
Speaker 5: not going to happen, or something better in the well world.
Speaker 1: All right, anyone else want to speak up on this one,
Speaker 1: whether talking about moving over from lamenting Epoch's death or
Speaker 1: I can yeah, go go nuts, Yeah, Camcy, you're a
Speaker 1: good one, go for it, mate.
Speaker 6: It's I was. It's the same, you know. It was
Speaker 6: just as you've been saying a bunch recently, like just
Speaker 6: feeling super sad about it, And definitely that's what I
Speaker 6: was feeling as it became more obvious that it was
Speaker 6: just like winding up and just like what's going on here?
Speaker 6: And then and the same thing for me like that
Speaker 6: You've said a bunch like just Vanilla, I'm just like,
Speaker 6: I can't do it. I can't do it. But it
Speaker 6: got so bad and I was just like, I just
Speaker 6: want to hang with you guys and fuck around and
Speaker 6: do some place of WOW or whatever. So I guess
Speaker 6: here I am. And it was actually the discovery of
Speaker 6: remembering that I had a sixty on article that I
Speaker 6: could bring across, which is like, okay, I can just
Speaker 6: play this, and because I don't know if I could
Speaker 6: have honestly leveled like a fresh character or whatever, but
Speaker 6: it's it's good. Now we're in the guild and there's
Speaker 6: some stuff going on. It's it's you know, it's not ideal,
Speaker 6: but at least there's something going on, and I'm happy now.
Speaker 1: It's you brought up the keyword there, mate, that I
Speaker 1: said in the discord a couple of times, and like
Speaker 1: I've you guys might have felt this way before. I've
Speaker 1: never felt this way about a WOW server before, because
Speaker 1: you know, I play so many who servers and have
Speaker 1: so many thousands of characters that I've never been that
Speaker 1: overly emotionally invested in anything. But I got sad for
Speaker 1: the first time in my Wow life that a server
Speaker 1: sort of you know, diet in front of me, and
Speaker 1: I was like moping around the house because we had
Speaker 1: we had such a fuck like it was an eleven
Speaker 1: out of ten social experience, like you guys said, the
Speaker 1: world Wide Server, the twenty four to seven element of
Speaker 1: the Countdown guilds, you know, all of you experienced and
Speaker 1: loved it. There was fucking, you know, twenty five people
Speaker 1: on twenty four to seven doing something. Everyone got to
Speaker 1: know each other, and it was a fucking great content server.
Speaker 1: So like this ends, and I'm just sad. I'm sad,
Speaker 1: and I'm really coming back to TBC skulking and it
Speaker 1: feels shit. So does anyone else want to talk about
Speaker 1: this a little bit? Or are we are we good?
Speaker 4: I'm just firmly in the same boat. It's like, I
Speaker 4: don't know, we're eating stale biscuits now and when we're
Speaker 4: just having something nice, so it all feel I'm literally
Speaker 4: running around as like a level fifteen and you're just
Speaker 4: thinking to yourself, fuck, Level fifteen on Epoch was so
Speaker 4: much more fun than this level fifteen. So it's just
Speaker 4: a bit of a bummer. And then even as we'll
Speaker 4: get to it, but personally, how they're how it looks
Speaker 4: like they're handling the lead up to TBC feels worse
Speaker 4: because we played Epoch, which is kind of like TBC
Speaker 4: Vanilla and how good it was, and then now we're
Speaker 4: going to wait two months to pre patch, probably have
Speaker 4: that for three weeks before.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well maybe launch. Keep that thought running, because I
Speaker 1: want to know what you mean by that. I'll just
Speaker 1: lead you in and say, yep, guys. So look, you know,
Speaker 1: two or three days ago, Blizzard came out and announced
Speaker 1: that all right, for all you TBC and he enjoys Enjoyers.
Speaker 1: Everyone was guessing that. You know, I said, I think
Speaker 1: this patch is coming out on like the tenth of January,
Speaker 1: like mid January. And even though I guess that, I
Speaker 1: think the smartest thing to do would be a December
Speaker 1: launch because everyone's pretty pumped up and playing over the
Speaker 1: holidays would be fun. A lot of people tended to
Speaker 1: agree with that, and so Blizzard does the blizz thing
Speaker 1: and goes, hey, guess what, guys, pre patch on the
Speaker 1: thirteenth of January, and everyone's like that's two fucking months away,
Speaker 1: Like that's too far, And yeah, that's the announcement that
Speaker 1: we got and we've got a whole bunch of other
Speaker 1: details that we'll get into later, but just on that one,
Speaker 1: you continue your thought process on when that announcement came out.
Speaker 4: I'm just I said earlier to the lads before we
Speaker 4: started recording, is like, I don't know, maybe I'm the
Speaker 4: minority and it's not actually like good ideas, which is
Speaker 4: completely valid, but everything they seem to decide with Classic,
Speaker 4: whether it's the length or when and why and what
Speaker 4: they're doing just seems to not be what I would
Speaker 4: have ever chosen to do. So in regards to the
Speaker 4: pre patch, I just don't know why is it really
Speaker 4: that bad of an idea that it could have been
Speaker 4: like a twelve week prepatch and like, no one's going
Speaker 4: to go anywhere, the Naxbros. Is still going to be
Speaker 4: running nacs, But it could have been a really fun
Speaker 4: time period to like actually play one to sixty World
Speaker 4: of Warcraft with TBC classes, Because I think, I said
Speaker 4: on an so ages ago, is like not that many
Speaker 4: people have really done that. When TBC came out, you
Speaker 4: already had US sixty or multiple sixties and you just
Speaker 4: went to outlands. There's not a huge amount of players
Speaker 4: that have actually done one to sixty specifically during TBC,
Speaker 4: and even if they have, they probably wouldn't mind doing
Speaker 4: it again. Like it's a pretty niche timeline that hasn't
Speaker 4: existed that often. And I thought it was a great
Speaker 4: opportunity if you were a Blizzard and you saw how
Speaker 4: much everyone loved fucking epoch. That's all it is. It's
Speaker 4: TBC in the Vanilla world with a buttload more quest.
Speaker 4: I'm just surprised that they didn't kind of just pick
Speaker 4: that ball up now that it kind of got killed
Speaker 4: off of, just like, oh, well, here you go, here's
Speaker 4: a twelve week epoch. Here's twelve weeks of epoch before
Speaker 4: you actually go to Outlands. And I think it would
Speaker 4: have been wildly more popular than whatever this is happening. Like,
Speaker 4: but maybe that's just because Blizzard knows that we're all,
Speaker 4: well we're not all. But you know, if you don't
Speaker 4: want to play pre patch, well sorry, if you don't
Speaker 4: want to start leveling now, then you'll just buy a
Speaker 4: boost in five weeks, and so be it. Maybe that's
Speaker 4: their play. Maybe it would cost them if they made
Speaker 4: prepatch too long and too fun, then no one would
Speaker 4: actually need to buy the Boost because we would have
Speaker 4: all leveled sixty and be ready for TBC. Maybe that's
Speaker 4: maybe that's my skeptical, pessimistic guess as to why they
Speaker 4: wouldn't have done it the other way.
Speaker 1: Oh, the whole thing. I mean, we'll get into this,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to talk about the boost just yet,
Speaker 1: but we will very soon. But like the whole and
Speaker 1: like you know, we just talked about Bronze Beard, how
Speaker 1: the whole structure, behind the scenes and just beyond the
Speaker 1: glimpse of the user is funneling you towards buying the shit.
Speaker 1: Like the idea is to make you use the store.
Speaker 1: These people want to make money, and that's fine to
Speaker 1: want to make money, but there's sort of, you know,
Speaker 1: an extent to which lengths you'll go to bleed that
Speaker 1: money from your users. But and you know what sort
Speaker 1: of seems you know, agreeable versus predatory. But like here
Speaker 1: we are, you know, Blizzards in the same boat as
Speaker 1: the Private Servers at the moment where like this this
Speaker 1: game is about the money. Now, it's very much so
Speaker 1: about the money. It's not been about the player or
Speaker 1: the experience for some time. Now it's about the money.
Speaker 1: Line must go up and Blizzard has it really looks
Speaker 1: like a completely structured TBC anniversary around. Okay, we made
Speaker 1: a fuck load of money last time. Fucking hold my beer,
Speaker 1: watch how much more I make this time around. We're
Speaker 1: going to really push these fuckers, and it's all behind
Speaker 1: the scenes, little things tweaked here and there to have
Speaker 1: the invisible hands push you towards that boost. So, just
Speaker 1: like you said you'd be, I think you spot on
Speaker 1: and we'll get into that in a second, but I
Speaker 1: just want to stick on the point of the two
Speaker 1: month wait until pre patch and hear from some of
Speaker 1: you other guys. I'm sure a lot of you are
Speaker 1: going to have opinions on this, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: open it up to the crowd. We're all at the
Speaker 1: pub holding a beer to shooting the shit. Guys talk
Speaker 1: over each other, yellow each other, do whatever you want.
Speaker 1: But like, who wants to talk to me about Wizard
Speaker 1: a good thing or a bad thing? To wait two
Speaker 1: more months for TBC pre patch to drop?
Speaker 7: It was terrible, Josh. I didn't think I would speak,
Speaker 7: but you've kind of just moved into a good part
Speaker 7: of the conversation here, and I've just got to chime
Speaker 7: in with me two cents.
Speaker 8: It was awful. I was looking forward to.
Speaker 7: Coming back and hanging out with the boys again, leveling
Speaker 7: hopefully with some joyous journeys or something.
Speaker 8: Perhaps, and we just sort of get slapped in the face.
Speaker 7: No pre patch toil long after everybody stopped having holidays,
Speaker 7: and I guess, so, well, I guess I'll buy the boost.
Speaker 1: And that's exactly that's music to there is, isn't it though? Marcus?
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's it's not music to my soul though, Josh,
Speaker 7: that's the problem, right, all right?
Speaker 1: Who wants to piggyback off of that kieva rolling?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's a pretty terrible choice.
Speaker 9: The holidays are going to be the perfect time to
Speaker 9: you know, people a lot of time off with its level,
Speaker 9: let us play in the pre patch. Do you really
Speaker 9: want two more weeks of NACS? I mean, it just
Speaker 9: made so much freaking sense, which is why, of course
Speaker 9: Blizzard wouldn't do it. And now I guess, yeah, I
Speaker 9: agree with you that they're just trying to push everybody to,
Speaker 9: you know, a short pre patch again, which nobody wants.
Speaker 9: Everybody wants a long pre patch, So I don't get
Speaker 9: what's going on.
Speaker 10: Yeah, I have less to say about the January release,
Speaker 10: but more so about the short pre patch, which we
Speaker 10: don't know for sure. But the last time we had
Speaker 10: the pre patch was it was two weeks and I
Speaker 10: actually did relevel. I re rolled a human warrior to
Speaker 10: a Drani warrior, so I was one of the rare ones.
Speaker 10: But I think the pre patch is super fun and
Speaker 10: it shakes up the meta and it gives people stuff
Speaker 10: to do, and it's a really fun time to just play.
Speaker 10: And so I know it hasn't been announced, but I
Speaker 10: really do hope they do a longer pre patch, which
Speaker 10: is why it would be weird to just not do
Speaker 10: the pre patch sooner rather than later. And if it's
Speaker 10: three months, then it's three months of pre patch, So
Speaker 10: what if they need to cook TBC and do their changes,
Speaker 10: that's fine, But the pre patch steed is just really fun.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think if we get there and then they
Speaker 4: say it is, let's just say if it's eight weeks
Speaker 4: or whatever, which is plenty long enough. If we get
Speaker 4: there and they say that, I will still be happy.
Speaker 4: But I still think that's a worse move than like
Speaker 4: you could attacked four weeks of it onto this NAS
Speaker 4: phase where they still give a shit about NACS, because
Speaker 4: you're just going to get a huge player drop off
Speaker 4: of the guys that are like biskeered from NAS and
Speaker 4: have no interest in leveling at all, They're all going
Speaker 4: to quit and then they'll be like this weird bubble
Speaker 4: of like TBC hype trainers that have all come back
Speaker 4: for TBC, which, like, either way, it's not going to
Speaker 4: affect me. I'm just I'm surprised by their choice to
Speaker 4: do so. If you're going to do a long pre patch,
Speaker 4: I thought you'd try and catch the end of NACS
Speaker 4: because then all those like I thought that would kind
Speaker 4: of be fun. I remember the first time round, it
Speaker 4: would be cool if you could not be an absolute
Speaker 4: super nerd that goes one to sixty in four days,
Speaker 4: but to realistically hit sixty in a couple of weeks,
Speaker 4: if you're going pretty hard, and then actually do like
Speaker 4: four or five weeks of level sixty lockouts as as
Speaker 4: a fucking blood elf Pali or whatever the hell you
Speaker 4: want to be. I thought, in my mind that sounds
Speaker 4: like a good fun time to lead into TBC. But
Speaker 4: maybe that's maybe that's not a common take. Or they're
Speaker 4: not interested in doing that.
Speaker 1: My only thing with that ub was, and I'm happy
Speaker 1: to be shadowed down on this, but I said, this
Speaker 1: is the classic, like they can't win someone Like a
Speaker 1: lot of people will complain regardless of what number you
Speaker 1: pick in terms of how many weeks should pre Patch last.
Speaker 1: But I said, I said it should be four weeks
Speaker 1: for my personal preference, because I just feel that, like,
Speaker 1: two weeks is too short. A lot of people will
Speaker 1: complain six weeks is too long. Even though all those
Speaker 1: reasons you justly said sound fantastic, there will still be
Speaker 1: people going, oh, I'm like, god, six weeks of prepatch
Speaker 1: just fucking get us through the dark Portal already. Oh
Speaker 1: my god, I have to wait another two weeks, Oh
Speaker 1: my god. So there'll be people complaining on both ends,
Speaker 1: whereas four weeks is your Goldilocks moment where people just go, yeah, cool,
Speaker 1: I had my fun let's go through the dark portal.
Speaker 1: I'm ready.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I suppose, but it's I feel, well, no, we
Speaker 4: already went over. Like, I don't think this means if
Speaker 4: it's short, you don't lose players. I think you'd just
Speaker 4: gain more boosts. So therefore they win but then if
Speaker 4: it goes too long, no one's canceling their sub, but
Speaker 4: they just stop playing. I'm unsure what would be the best,
Speaker 4: what would actually be the most popular choice, But they
Speaker 4: don't seem to make popular choices anyway. They make financial choices.
Speaker 9: So well, I haven't heard anybody complain saying I want
Speaker 9: a shorter prepatch or I want the same prepatchion. Everybody
Speaker 9: I've heard of said I want a long prepatch, well
Speaker 9: at least two for maybe even six weeks longer.
Speaker 11: I mean, yeah, come.
Speaker 4: On, so I feel I feel like if anyone was
Speaker 4: grumpy about it, then good on you, bud. Take a
Speaker 4: three week break. You can have a little break. You've
Speaker 4: rated your little booty off all through nacks. You're a
Speaker 4: good boy. Have a three week holiday while everyone else
Speaker 4: has fun leveling up, and then you have more players
Speaker 4: for TBC. I don't think anyone's there going no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go this week. Fuck all of you.
Speaker 4: I want I want no prepatch. Just open the portal
Speaker 4: tomorrow so I can go and get fucking Carra ready.
Speaker 4: I don't think that's too common, And even if it is,
Speaker 4: I think they'd know that that's fucking crazy. Like for
Speaker 4: the betterment of the game, a pre patch probably helps
Speaker 4: more people out, gets more players back and stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, as as Axtel's saying, Axtel, you're right,
Speaker 1: That's what the consensus absolutely was after the last TVC
Speaker 1: that the pre patch should be longer. That's why everyone's
Speaker 1: sort of up in arms about this. But like to
Speaker 1: be fair, we don't know how long the pre patch
Speaker 1: is going to last. They haven't announced that. It's just
Speaker 1: that the indicators seem to point towards a two week period,
Speaker 1: which would be greatly disappointing. Like all the boys are saying,
Speaker 1: and you know, like erdaps saying in twitch chat. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm our guild paladin tank, the designated Paladin Tank. I
Speaker 1: don't know if I can level the sixty in that
Speaker 1: time if it is only two weeks, maybe even if
Speaker 1: it's only four weeks, who knows, you might need the
Speaker 1: six week period to do that. But then, like we say,
Speaker 1: the shadowy you know, puppet strings being pulled behind this,
Speaker 1: behind the scenes, are meant to push you towards that boost.
Speaker 1: They want you getting frustrated, going, fuck, that's not enough
Speaker 1: time to level and I am our guild tank or
Speaker 1: I was going to reroll a blood Elf because I
Speaker 1: like the look of blood Elves, and they want you
Speaker 1: to get you know, to push, push, push in two
Speaker 1: weeks to level thirty and then throw your hands up
Speaker 1: in exasperation and go, fuck it, I've got to buy
Speaker 1: this boost and you can enjoy buying the boost at
Speaker 1: the low low price of what was the guy's seventy
Speaker 1: nine to ninety nine USD.
Speaker 12: Yeah, the issue of the boost. I think if you're
Speaker 12: rolling Paladin or Shaman, you can't use the boost, So like, yeah,
Speaker 12: what's the point.
Speaker 1: I was, Look, I'll throw myself on the barbecue here
Speaker 1: to be grilled. I was really confident, and I said
Speaker 1: to a bunch of you guys in private conversations over
Speaker 1: the last two weeks, I was really confident that they
Speaker 1: were going to go hell for leather in the boost
Speaker 1: department this time around. I was like, Look, they made
Speaker 1: that much fucking cash last time. I think they will
Speaker 1: be licking their fucking lips over the potential cash this
Speaker 1: time around, and they'll just go Yep, Sharman, Paladin, fucking
Speaker 1: boost it all. Have as many boosts you want. There
Speaker 1: are no rules on the boosters go ballistic, and they
Speaker 1: didn't do that. I am shocked by you know, they
Speaker 1: the company that is so fucking bottom line driven. I
Speaker 1: just I've been saying like people don't care the second
Speaker 1: time around with TBC, literally nobody gives a fuck if you,
Speaker 1: I genuinely feel again, if you'd said you can boost
Speaker 1: a shaman or a paladin, there would have been one
Speaker 1: or two people. I mean, you got there might be
Speaker 1: people in this room, you tell me. I think there
Speaker 1: would have been one or two fuck weeks on Reddit
Speaker 1: going this is antithetical to the fucking spirit of classic. Wow,
Speaker 1: why are you letting me boost a paladin or a shaman?
Speaker 1: This is bullshit blah blah blah, And they would have
Speaker 1: been drowned out by a thousand people going, who gives
Speaker 1: a fuck? Just fucking great, I'll boost a shaman or
Speaker 1: a palade and whatever. If I want to pay that price,
Speaker 1: I'll pay that price and I'll just do it. But
Speaker 1: they didn't do it, and a lot of.
Speaker 12: People would have hit that price. Like there's quite a
Speaker 12: few people on my guild that are going shaman or
Speaker 12: rolling shampan, and a few that are just rolling Terrena
Speaker 12: because that's what they want to do.
Speaker 1: So why do you think, why do you think they've
Speaker 1: done it yet?
Speaker 12: I couldn't tell you. It doesn't make any sense at all, baffling,
Speaker 12: Like if you're going for a shorter pre patch, maybe
Speaker 12: you just don't feel like making a change. I don't know,
Speaker 12: but like, the shorter the pre patch is, the more likely.
Speaker 12: I thought that Shaman and Paladin would get the boost.
Speaker 12: The pre patch was coming soon and it was going
Speaker 12: to be longer. That's when I think, like, oh, they're
Speaker 12: just gonna leave it the same. I'm not gonna let
Speaker 12: you boost it because you have six weeks to do it.
Speaker 1: That's where again I'm going to put on you know,
Speaker 1: do my role playing here and ubiquitous. Can you play?
Speaker 1: Let's say you play I don't know Tim or someone right,
Speaker 1: and you fucking step into my office and I go, yeah,
Speaker 1: thanks for coming in, Tim. It's it's me Josh from
Speaker 1: fucking Sea, sweet mate. I see that you guys are
Speaker 1: limiting the boosts so that people can't do Paladins and
Speaker 1: Shamo Lamalamalans or whatever the fuck you nerds call it.
Speaker 1: Aren't we interested in making more money?
Speaker 4: Ah? Yes, we should be. I'll have to check with
Speaker 4: a grend while we're not selling these. You've kind of
Speaker 4: got me stumped in the role playing. I'm like, you're
Speaker 4: baffling me with this question.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Sorry, no, it's a bad role play. But I'm
Speaker 1: just if I'm the c sweet guy, I'm just going again,
Speaker 1: who fucking cares? Like again, I'm gonna sorry if I
Speaker 1: offend people here, but I'm just gonna say this as
Speaker 1: a soulless executive and go fucking bleed the nerds dry.
Speaker 1: Every single one of these fucking cunts is gonna buy
Speaker 1: this thing, and they're not gonna, you know, get angry
Speaker 1: at us like they did four years ago about the
Speaker 1: sanctity of the fucking game. They've all done it before
Speaker 1: and literally none of them give a shit. Just fucking
Speaker 1: let them do it. You'll fucking up the revenue from
Speaker 1: the boost by what fifty minimum?
Speaker 4: I think we need, we need someone that's like an
Speaker 4: active anniversary stand to defend their ecosystem. As to why
Speaker 4: it would be a horrible idea, but I mean, I'm
Speaker 4: I'm I am exactly that. Like the first time round,
Speaker 4: everyone was a bit I think that would be a
Speaker 4: bit too crazy. You know, if you want to be
Speaker 4: a blood elf Pali for Launch, I respect the hustle
Speaker 4: that they got to sixty in fucking two weeks and
Speaker 4: went ham. That was kind of fun in its own
Speaker 4: wacky way. But now like this time round, I'm just
Speaker 4: like a big old fucking accessibility band of just like nah,
Speaker 4: whatever gets more cunts involved, a like, if it means
Speaker 4: that more people are playing and you know, you can
Speaker 4: get more of your guild back because that's what they
Speaker 4: want to play and get in the boost is the
Speaker 4: difference or not. But there's there's multiple ways to go
Speaker 4: around it. You could have again, if it's a longer
Speaker 4: pre patch, you could just like lock the boost for
Speaker 4: Shamans and Palis to only like two weeks before and
Speaker 4: then that way you can only get like a lockout
Speaker 4: or two done before going to Outlands. But if it
Speaker 4: is just a two week pre patch anyway, then just
Speaker 4: open the floodgates at the start, because I don't think
Speaker 4: there's that many guys on Anniversary that would give a shit. Again,
Speaker 4: it's the trade off of like, you know, would ar
Speaker 4: Coss grumble that the boost is there? Or would Arkosts
Speaker 4: be happy that like ten more guilties came back because
Speaker 4: the boost was there, what would be the preference for
Speaker 4: the anniversary enjoy.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll trigger some people straight off the bat here
Speaker 1: and just say, like, while I'm still funny with the boost,
Speaker 1: you know this is not Josh on the show now
Speaker 1: advocating for how good a boosts, I'm just like putting on.
Speaker 1: Like I said, from that Blizzard perspective, I am shocked,
Speaker 1: like mouth a gape that they didn't do this from
Speaker 1: the company that covets you know, finance over everything else,
Speaker 1: so that that's the only reason I'm left fucking scratching
Speaker 1: my head, going this is bizah. But now Arcos is
Speaker 1: here in the crowd, I'll be able to say this much.
Speaker 1: I don't want to dwell on this. I just just
Speaker 1: for a very tongue in cheek moment because we had
Speaker 1: the big pay to win argument recently regarding Bronze Beard,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, like I think someone said
Speaker 1: the other day that like I can't remember where I
Speaker 1: saw it, like the boost isn't pay to win, and
Speaker 1: I'm like brother in TVC with the professions and like,
Speaker 1: you know, let's say that the tailoring cool down or
Speaker 1: what have you like, you don't think that's pay to win,
Speaker 1: Like that's you know, vestige. Do you want to do
Speaker 1: you want to help me out here, brother?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I didn't see as it is still pay to
Speaker 13: win in his essence, but I didn't think it was
Speaker 13: that much pay to win, as in, everybody's already cleared
Speaker 13: that content, so therefore it's just skipping the content to
Speaker 13: get to the current content.
Speaker 1: So now we're grading pay to wins like Earthquakes, Like
Speaker 1: is it a six point six on the rich scale?
Speaker 14: Win is always a scale?
Speaker 1: Come on, No, you're either get the label or not.
Speaker 1: It's it's black and white.
Speaker 9: I mean you could say, yeah, well, I mean there's
Speaker 9: gonna be always some sort of pay to win in
Speaker 9: a game, no matter what you know. The current versions
Speaker 9: of the game have absolute pay to wins already, So
Speaker 9: I mean, I don't know what you say. Let's say, okay,
Speaker 9: there's no goal buying. Well, there is goalbuying in the game,
Speaker 9: so therefore that's pay to win. Okay, go buy and exists,
Speaker 9: So therefore there's paid to win in the game. So
Speaker 9: what then do you stop playing Anniversary because there's paid
Speaker 9: to win?
Speaker 2: All right?
Speaker 1: I smell a rabbit hole cooking. So I'm going to
Speaker 1: take a quick side step a very I'm hitting a
Speaker 1: one on my controller for the mad and Duke around
Speaker 1: this topic.
Speaker 4: You guys both just did a very good job of
Speaker 4: I immediately ping ponged between the two of like, damn,
Speaker 4: he is right. Probably shouldn't sell me five boosts because
Speaker 4: then I will have just like Original TVC my four
Speaker 4: tailors in Shadow Moon Valley pumping out my yeah fucking
Speaker 4: shadow Weave or whatever it is. But then he said
Speaker 4: that everyone else is buying gold, and you go, you
Speaker 4: know what, I should be allowed to cheat toes.
Speaker 1: Very good.
Speaker 15: We'll see that thought.
Speaker 9: I'm saying, like, okay, if there's one boost, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 9: I could find live with one a boost per account.
Speaker 14: Okay, I could live with that.
Speaker 9: But they're like, oh yeah, you could boost as many
Speaker 9: time as you want, all the accounts, Drane or a
Speaker 9: Blood album.
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, I think that's.
Speaker 9: So there's a scale here that you got to go down,
Speaker 9: you know, if it gets too far one way, I'm like,
Speaker 9: that's not what I want.
Speaker 1: Just so I will get to everyone, I promise. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of you are very politely sitting there
Speaker 1: quietly waiting for your chance. But we will get to everyone.
Speaker 1: I just want to grab this person before they fall asleep,
Speaker 1: because if you didn't feel the room get colder just then,
Speaker 1: and dogs start barking in the neighboring properties, and the
Speaker 1: bats start flying overhead and wolves. How Arcos has just
Speaker 1: entered the room. Arcos, Hello, how.
Speaker 4: Are you.
Speaker 3: Hey?
Speaker 2: I heard the I could feel in my moother's that
Speaker 2: my name had been invoked just earlier. Yes, I just
Speaker 2: had to show up. And it's like when he should
Speaker 2: not be named for it exactly.
Speaker 1: Your dick started itching more than usual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: Okay, mat, Can I just get you to describe a
Speaker 1: little bit about can you individualize some of the items
Speaker 1: and the prices that you've seen on your server?
Speaker 2: Sure? If I maybe start at the beginning, if you
Speaker 2: started maybe in day one, and you in day one
Speaker 2: of honey, and like when everyone was on an even keel,
Speaker 2: and there wasn't necessarily like gold for sail, right or
Speaker 2: like not not that much anyway, maybe you survived for
Speaker 2: a while and you were able to get yourself up
Speaker 2: some farms or some like crafts on different professions to
Speaker 2: sustain you for a bit. If you play very casually
Speaker 2: if you don't use consumables of course, like you don't
Speaker 2: really need cold at all. If you don't rate, even
Speaker 2: if there's no there's not not much use for it.
Speaker 2: But I can. I can open the oxygens in the
Speaker 2: year right now, and Alex, Heir of the Mongoose, Like,
Speaker 2: the last time I was reading was twenty seven gold each. Yep,
Speaker 2: it's down to like fifteen now for me it's seven.
Speaker 2: Does fltuate?
Speaker 1: It's seven on dream size right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, winter for firewater, we're talking thirteen colds for twenty
Speaker 2: minutes a puff. I would say it fluctuates a plus
Speaker 2: nine five. Let's actually see the Mighty Trolls blood portion,
Speaker 2: which is like fifteen hps or something. But I'm going
Speaker 2: to open up to them. The crafting involve me. So
Speaker 2: you if you just look at like stat alexirs right,
Speaker 2: like you've got Major Trolls pop portion it's twenty health
Speaker 2: every five seconds, like you're your average person might not
Speaker 2: use a portion like this. This is like eight to
Speaker 2: fifteen cold a pop, right, And I would never enter
Speaker 2: a rate without five of everything, right, alexro superior defense.
Speaker 2: It increases your armor by four hundred and fifty four
Speaker 2: an hour, same price. You're talking like forty to fifty
Speaker 2: gold a stack. Right. I don't use Elixir of Chance
Speaker 2: because I'm modified. I can cock. I use the eCos.
Speaker 2: They're like sixty six gold apiece and they last for
Speaker 2: twenty minutes instead of an hour. Flasks of Flask of
Speaker 2: the Titans has been around one hundred and eighty gold each.
Speaker 2: Elextro of the fortitude two three gold. They're pretty cheap
Speaker 2: to make. Like I said before, Mongo's twenty seven gold.
Speaker 2: You've got sharpening stones for crit those are like twelve
Speaker 2: gold each last for thirty minutes. You've got frost oil.
Speaker 2: If you're doing AQ, you got of course every resistance
Speaker 2: portion and like the first one is like a gold
Speaker 2: the nature shadow, they're about the ten gold each. You'll
Speaker 2: probably use two or three every rate. Let's see what more.
Speaker 2: If you're reading knucks, you need electro of poison resistance
Speaker 2: that's like two three gold each, and like it's on use.
Speaker 2: So like every time you have a poison on you,
Speaker 2: you have it macrod into your abilities so that it
Speaker 2: immediately removes the poison so you don't get like one shot.
Speaker 2: I might go through fifteen of these in one next one,
Speaker 2: I'll probably use five lips there's six gold. It's I'll
Speaker 2: use three four paps they are two three gold each.
Speaker 2: I'll probably use ten to fifteen my de race postion
Speaker 2: that's three gold each. Yeah, Like I don't know where
Speaker 2: more to go, like if if I go into spell
Speaker 2: par alexirs, like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeahs asz As Cazalar is saying, as Cazalara is saying, though,
Speaker 1: as is it. And I've seen this around a lot
Speaker 1: on Reddit. Is it the case that everything this is
Speaker 1: just now everything was a lot more expensive a couple
Speaker 1: of weeks ago.
Speaker 2: Yess. I've been steadily going down and save for the
Speaker 2: past seven eight days, like there will be like Wednesday afternoon,
Speaker 2: it's it goes up, right, Like I bought lips yesterday
Speaker 2: for seven gold each and today there are like four
Speaker 2: gold dads right, so that there is fluctuation. It is
Speaker 2: going down. I don't know if they changed some spot
Speaker 2: or if some big networks with a lot of materials
Speaker 2: got a band or something who knows mate countdowns.
Speaker 1: Beloved priest talk star wants to know what's a sappa?
Speaker 1: Set your back on your server's.
Speaker 2: See they are three gold sixty eight. There you go,
Speaker 2: So it's like thirty six gold thirty It's cool.
Speaker 1: Rab Can I just spread the love round to the room?
Speaker 1: Please yell out? Guys if you if you're green, I'm
Speaker 1: fuck you. I might throw it to you. Have you
Speaker 1: been listening green? Are you right? If I ask you
Speaker 1: a question?
Speaker 3: What's up?
Speaker 2: Mate?
Speaker 1: Just if you heard a lot of those prices, I'm
Speaker 1: just wondering. Off the calf, We'll throw it around the room.
Speaker 1: How does all of that sound price wise to you? Guys?
Speaker 1: You know I don't raid you guys raid you know
Speaker 1: more than me. Does that disgust you when you hear
Speaker 1: some of that shit?
Speaker 16: It sounds really awful, especially like a plastic Titans being
Speaker 16: on this two hundred gold piece is pretty ridiculous.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and unplayable to me.
Speaker 15: The flash the worst thing. Like it's probably easier to
Speaker 15: get a black Lotos than it is to get a
Speaker 15: playboom running. You won't get anything. It's just horrible.
Speaker 2: Even in the middle of the night, like I'm I'm
Speaker 2: I'm behind server time right, so like they are one
Speaker 2: hour ahead of me sometimes and I've been online like
Speaker 2: at one a m. And the person in my guild
Speaker 2: is running up and down fellow fellow with complaining like
Speaker 2: I've been here for two hours. I don't even have
Speaker 2: one stack, Like they're getting nothing. It's just all getting picked.
Speaker 1: Twenty four Yes, play Bloom is forty gold a stack
Speaker 1: on fucking dream Size.
Speaker 2: Let's check.
Speaker 15: Running back to mister, should be around like eighty to
Speaker 15: eighty five.
Speaker 12: Yeah, one Night Slayer you're looking at.
Speaker 2: It's the cheapest stuck right now is seventy five gold.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, it's ninety five on Nights Players, seventy five
Speaker 1: on AU and fucking forty on dream Size.
Speaker 15: Oh it dropped, It dropped in half.
Speaker 12: The different this is close to them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, does that make dream sythe seem a
Speaker 1: little bit more appealing?
Speaker 12: No, no, no, no Ah, you.
Speaker 1: Fucking piece of ship. We'll get you. We'll get you,
Speaker 1: son of a bitch.
Speaker 2: Yeah. But to go back to the like the what
Speaker 2: prompted this comparison, right, Like, I understand that a lot
Speaker 2: of listeners and a lot of people in the discord
Speaker 2: they they don't necessarily play really hardcore or like they
Speaker 2: might not want to bring all consumables.
Speaker 4: You can.
Speaker 1: You can just call us cocks it's okay.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Like you're sitting in the cacchair and you're
Speaker 2: watching the Real Raiders with your wife, right, the.
Speaker 1: Real Raiders of Orange County.
Speaker 2: Yeah, go on, yeah exactly. But like for the player
Speaker 2: base that wants to perform, for the player base that
Speaker 2: wants to be competitive or you know, wants to compare
Speaker 2: themselves against others improve their own performance, yeah yeah, right,
Speaker 2: Like this is just the reality, and you don't really
Speaker 2: have the tools, or at least they don't feel like
Speaker 2: you have the tools to make a difference about it, right,
Speaker 2: Like you you make a choice either you want to
Speaker 2: play like this or you don't. And if you want
Speaker 2: to play like this, you either have to be like
Speaker 2: terminally online farming gold somehow and still it's rough like
Speaker 2: making and meat, or you just have to buy the
Speaker 2: let me say, like everyone's doing it anyway, I'm just
Speaker 2: gonna do it as well. And what I saw like
Speaker 2: early and I posted about this as well, is that
Speaker 2: GDKP isn't gone, like it's there. You just have to
Speaker 2: look behind the hood. You have to pay people like directly,
Speaker 2: you don't pay them with gold, you have to pay
Speaker 2: pal them Like I'm I frequent one pug right, I
Speaker 2: don't buy items from from the guy, but he did
Speaker 2: offer me and he gave me like the lowdown of
Speaker 2: how they did it. And I can pay with crypto,
Speaker 2: I can pay with PayPal, I can legit wire transfer
Speaker 2: him like with an ipand like international wire transfer number.
Speaker 2: But I don't think that's a better situation for the
Speaker 2: game to be in than are your old school gdkp right, Like,
Speaker 2: I think that's a better place for players to be
Speaker 2: in because they're not even though it's not necessarily many people,
Speaker 2: but at least you don't really have these things going
Speaker 2: on like under the hood where people are like transferring
Speaker 2: like irol money in between like personally right all through
Speaker 2: Classic TPC and DRATH, I attended GDKPECE or I made
Speaker 2: farms for I play the oxygens and using my professions
Speaker 2: and the stuff like that. And I think the pots
Speaker 2: really learned from that, like don't allow players to get
Speaker 2: access to materials like to play the oxens. Like they've
Speaker 2: just learned that they need to completely shut you out
Speaker 2: from the market. And this is the result.
Speaker 1: Right, guys look to be fair just talking about the
Speaker 1: prices and the cost of rating. For Dad raiders in
Speaker 1: this day and age, did anything Arcos said, resonate with you, guys.
Speaker 1: I'd love to start an extended conversation about, you know,
Speaker 1: the outrageous prices of consumables. You know, and we all know,
Speaker 1: you know it's because of bots and fucking IRNT and
Speaker 1: all that shit. But it does seem to be more
Speaker 1: prevalent on the more serious servers, being like the PvP servers.
Speaker 1: Like I said, the PvE service seems to be not
Speaker 1: quite as affected by this drastic inflation. How has this,
Speaker 1: all of this stuff affected the way that you guys
Speaker 1: are approaching and have played anniversary or are approaching TBC anniversary.
Speaker 4: If I was, if I were to be trying to
Speaker 4: write an anniversary, I would one thousand percent be buying
Speaker 4: gold if that's the current environment. I don't know if
Speaker 4: it's also a shift in my pessimism just towards Blizzard,
Speaker 4: the fact that they've let this happen. It's kind of
Speaker 4: like a fine, you've made the bed, you shit in
Speaker 4: it while I was sleeping in it, Well fuck you,
Speaker 4: And then I wouldn't even care if I got banned,
Speaker 4: because like they've let this happen. It would be interesting
Speaker 4: to know, Like with the Plague Bloom situation, I remember
Speaker 4: farming them when they were seventeen gold a pop, like
Speaker 4: one Plague Bloom seventeen gold in twenty nineteen, and I
Speaker 4: just I don't understand. Is it a case of like,
Speaker 4: have they actually broken the spawn rate and not realized it?
Speaker 4: Like has anyone checked on Plague Bloom Corp. And their production?
Speaker 4: Is the server actually fucking working properly, or is it
Speaker 4: actually boded to shit and they're getting HERBD from underneath
Speaker 4: the map? Either way, I'm sure like a little fucking
Speaker 4: GM could go for a swim through the land and
Speaker 4: find some bots and maybe fix it up. But either way,
Speaker 4: it's still it's Blizzard server. And the thing that's really
Speaker 4: disappointing is that then it's not like Classic where well
Speaker 4: we had like thirty fucking servers. You're watching one or
Speaker 4: two servers. I'm sure you can keep those ponds clear,
Speaker 4: if you know what I mean. So that's just all
Speaker 4: a part of just I don't know. I'm just disappointed
Speaker 4: in the fact that they can't even get two servers
Speaker 4: to not be infested cesspools.
Speaker 1: Anyone else on that before I take years you go,
Speaker 1: oh sorry.
Speaker 2: Can I interject with the like, of course, it's difficult
Speaker 2: to definitively say yeah, it's it's spots a lot rather
Speaker 2: than just the spawn rates. But like I host twenty
Speaker 2: month rates a lot, so I'm in the looking group
Speaker 2: group channel, I'm like finding packed players to do Silk
Speaker 2: group and the AQ twenty a lot. And like I
Speaker 2: after like two weeks of doing it, I started like
Speaker 2: every time a mage or a hunter would whisper me,
Speaker 2: I would always ask them like premptively, like if I
Speaker 2: sent you a capture, can you solve it? And like
Speaker 2: the intention wasn't for me to actually send them a
Speaker 2: cups and for them to actually solve it. But it's
Speaker 2: just their reaction, right, because the pots aren't just like
Speaker 2: mindless programs now that are running from point A to
Speaker 2: be like herping or mining, like they are going into
Speaker 2: twenty more and forty month rates. They are active in
Speaker 2: the looking looking for group tool, getting into runs, doing
Speaker 2: software serves like helping the rate exactly mil like they
Speaker 2: don't provide any value and just getting geared. And then
Speaker 2: they're posting the accounts on TTTT for sale. The amount
Speaker 2: of whispers that I get, especially from mates and hunters,
Speaker 2: Like every time that I create a group, they always
Speaker 2: and every sentence with sure, like do you need a mate?
Speaker 12: Sure?
Speaker 2: Seven six eight gear score or whatever? Right, I have
Speaker 2: needed to envite them a few times and before I
Speaker 2: figured it out right, like I had a few in
Speaker 2: the rate, and they are just keep returning, pressing three
Speaker 2: frost balls of post fight. They're not like te cursing.
Speaker 2: They don't answer like dms or messages until you're like
Speaker 2: threaten to kick them or something, and they then they're
Speaker 2: all surprised, like I'll do better. I'll do better. But
Speaker 2: it's when you start looking for it. It's easy to spot.
Speaker 2: But like they are legitimately everywhere and not just farming herbs,
Speaker 2: like the pods are every really were.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll take us down a quick tangent galley.
Speaker 1: I trust me. That's a two hour argument for another day.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm with you, brother on the whole where
Speaker 1: I've raised it on the show before going. But guys,
Speaker 1: we don't need consumables to clear the content. That is
Speaker 1: a hairy topic for another day. That will get Arcos
Speaker 1: very triggered, and I don't want to do that today.
Speaker 1: So but just know that I love you, and you know,
Speaker 1: we're on the same wavelength there, Galley in terms of
Speaker 1: our attitudes towards consumables.
Speaker 10: Yeah, and he kind of acknowledged that too, so so
Speaker 10: I think I think we are also kind of on
Speaker 10: the same page. But you know, I'll just be in
Speaker 10: kind of the other side.
Speaker 1: It's it's just it's a test right now. It really
Speaker 1: is the greatest litmus test right now on how far
Speaker 1: will you go to get your high scores in this game?
Speaker 1: And a lot of the player base is proving that
Speaker 1: the answer is quite far. So I just want to
Speaker 1: ask a real quick tangential question flowing on from what
Speaker 1: Arcos rais, and a lot of you have brought this up,
Speaker 1: going like, look, something funny really does seem to be
Speaker 1: happening with the gathering market in that it appears that
Speaker 1: there's just more than ever before bots just claiming everything
Speaker 1: from under the ground, from whatever. These nodes just are
Speaker 1: not out there. I've seen countless posts to the point
Speaker 1: that like, you can't you can't be dismissive of it
Speaker 1: when you see this many people complaining about it. It's
Speaker 1: not you know, one or two anomalies out there who
Speaker 1: you know wouldn't know how to fucking gather if they
Speaker 1: got a fucking manual on it. It's a lot of
Speaker 1: players going, look, i am sitting down for a one
Speaker 1: hour session, I'm going out to look for herbs and
Speaker 1: or and I'm coming back with like, you know, half
Speaker 1: a stack after half an hour or an hour, and
Speaker 1: it's it's like something weird is going on and it's
Speaker 1: gotten out of control. So my only question from this is, like,
Speaker 1: has something gotten so out of control under Blizzard's watch
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, affecting a really key market
Speaker 1: in gathering, Like, is it a bad, bad, bad choice
Speaker 1: by a player to consider gathering in TBC because I've
Speaker 1: I know that I have been scared away from it.
Speaker 1: I am captain gatherer. You guys know that I love
Speaker 1: nothing more than running out for a while and picking
Speaker 1: up herbs and mine and mining are But for the
Speaker 1: first time in a long time, I've read the tea
Speaker 1: leaves and gone, oh, like, something's going on with the
Speaker 1: bots in Anniversary. I'm not touching a gathering profession. I'll
Speaker 1: just go skinning, which is, you know, maybe the easier
Speaker 1: gathering profession because you've actually got to do something to
Speaker 1: get the shit. What do you guys think on that.
Speaker 12: If you have a druid or a druidult like you
Speaker 12: stand a chance. Otherwise, don't do it.
Speaker 4: They said that they have boosted terror cone spawn locations
Speaker 4: and spawn rage. Yes, but I was a herber and
Speaker 4: original TBC and that was the draw that broke the
Speaker 4: camel's back of just like literally you're on your epic
Speaker 4: flying mount and the node would appear on your map,
Speaker 4: and by the time you flew down there was a
Speaker 4: hunter who had beaten you to it, and it turns
Speaker 4: out that they've been online for thirty nine hours straight
Speaker 4: doing the same thing, and you just go, you know what,
Speaker 4: fuck this shit, this game sucks, and then you just
Speaker 4: raid log and don't even try and play. So I
Speaker 4: found TBC gathering absolutely abysmal, the entire fucking expansion.
Speaker 1: To be fair, I'll just I'll just inject sorry, just
Speaker 1: voice say that. I just want to say. It's one
Speaker 1: quick comment from twitch chat where craud Bucket reminds us Josh,
Speaker 1: you know, to be fair, there's a lot more instance
Speaker 1: herbing and mining in TBC that that is true. Whether
Speaker 1: I would query whether or not it's enough to still
Speaker 1: justify the decision to go with gathering if things are
Speaker 1: as bad as they are, I'm not sure. Sorry, someone
Speaker 1: was going to say something, go for it.
Speaker 16: I was going to say, if they have enough to
Speaker 16: lock down multiple layers of a server for all of
Speaker 16: the various play Blue spawns, they can easily lock down
Speaker 16: the improved terror Cones spawns or whatever the hell Blizzard's cooking, you.
Speaker 4: Know what I mean.
Speaker 12: Yeah, we were talking about that in discord last night.
Speaker 12: Like terra Con is the new plague bloom. You can't
Speaker 12: find it in instances in TBC. You just have to
Speaker 12: get it out of terror krtvirus. And yeah, it's such
Speaker 12: a small zone and there are so few spawn points,
Speaker 12: like even if they double that, bots are gonna have
Speaker 12: no problem just sitting there on each node and you know, gathering.
Speaker 1: Boys. Unless anyone else has anything to say on this, Tangent,
Speaker 1: I want to come back to another big point while
Speaker 1: we've got it, while Arcos is awake, because we will
Speaker 1: start to lose him to sleep relatively soon. So if
Speaker 1: we're if we are old on that speaking forever, holday silence.
Speaker 1: If there's any gathering of Fionados out there, but ar Coss,
Speaker 1: I just want to ask you about to kick us
Speaker 1: off on and I'm kind of all over the place because,
Speaker 1: like I say, I do just want to grab Arcross's
Speaker 1: take on these things before he goes to bed, even
Speaker 1: though I would have brought them up ordinarily later in
Speaker 1: the show. But we got all this news about what's
Speaker 1: coming with you know, TBC anniversary, and it is different
Speaker 1: to what TBC was four years ago. There are some
Speaker 1: notable changes and we're going to go through all of
Speaker 1: them with you guys now. But kicking off with a
Speaker 1: big one is that the announcement that it will launch
Speaker 1: with post Nerve raid content. I am somewhat loath to
Speaker 1: bring up this conversation because we've done it so many
Speaker 1: fucking times on the show over the years. It really has,
Speaker 1: you know, it's become a bit of a groundhog Day
Speaker 1: esque argument when we talk about, you know, should elements
Speaker 1: of classic well be challenging blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 1: But when you make the content too hard, you scare
Speaker 1: away the player base. But the sweaties want something to
Speaker 1: do too, Like I just you know, it's like the
Speaker 1: gd I always like shudder when the GDKP argument comes up.
Speaker 1: Just fifty percent of it being like, fuck, We've done
Speaker 1: this ten fucking times on this show. I'm so sick
Speaker 1: of it. But Arcos, if you can find a wonderful,
Speaker 1: unique and entertaining way to discuss it this time around,
Speaker 1: how do you feel, Arcos? Because I just said that
Speaker 1: I don't think anyone cares this second time around with
Speaker 1: TBC Anniversary and I was talking about the boost and
Speaker 1: I was like, just fucking go nuts with the boost.
Speaker 1: No body cares. Nobody fucking cares anymore. We just did
Speaker 1: this shit and we're doing it again. So when it
Speaker 1: comes to the post Nerve reveal you as a hardcore
Speaker 1: raider Arcos, do you care? Tell me how you feel
Speaker 1: about this.
Speaker 2: Personally? Not really. I think the entire prayer vers like
Speaker 2: from top to bottoms. There are just so many different opinions,
Speaker 2: some desires, and ones regarding difficulty or lack there off.
Speaker 2: My personal opinion hasn't really changed since twenty nineteen. The
Speaker 2: primary reason that I play the game is to speed drun.
Speaker 2: That is the way to play the game that I
Speaker 2: find the most or get the most enjoyment from, and
Speaker 2: when rates are easy, that is very accessible to everyone,
Speaker 2: and that that makes the scene like the speed running
Speaker 2: scene more like a vibrant there's a little more people
Speaker 2: taking part, right, So with easier rates that is the case,
Speaker 2: we'll have more gills and groups and more individuals like
Speaker 2: giving their toesent into that style of gameplay, which I
Speaker 2: personally think is a good thing. But even within my
Speaker 2: groups of people who speed run like, there are still
Speaker 2: people who want the rates to be a little bit
Speaker 2: harder or much more harder, right, because they find in
Speaker 2: German in both we always we know that we will
Speaker 2: clear the rate like, no matter how difficult they make
Speaker 2: it like, we will clear it right, and will will
Speaker 2: always then go and try and do it more faster,
Speaker 2: right in a faster way. So that isn't really a
Speaker 2: concern for for some people, Like they want to have
Speaker 2: a difficult progression for their own satisfaction and then they
Speaker 2: know that they'll clear it and they'll start doing it faster,
Speaker 2: so they're not really taking into account the rest of
Speaker 2: the players, which I tried to do in my thinking, right,
Speaker 2: I think anyone who wants the rates to be very
Speaker 2: difficult is just playing the wrong game. Like, I think
Speaker 2: it's been made pretty clear that that isn't really what
Speaker 2: the that isn't very successful for player in the classic space.
Speaker 2: My worry for TBC is that you take away a
Speaker 2: big portion of the out of rate game with the
Speaker 2: quality of life of only needing to do Attuneman's one
Speaker 2: super button Net account. Most people probably just have one
Speaker 2: button Net account, even though they might have multiple in
Speaker 2: game accounts, so a lot of that stuff that they
Speaker 2: would be doing is gone. And then the raid is
Speaker 2: also very easy on top, so even for like a
Speaker 2: more average or medium group or guilt or PUG, they
Speaker 2: will get through their raid relatively quickly, much quicker than
Speaker 2: in twenty twenty one. So when you remove also the
Speaker 2: out of rate stuff, I'm worried that the player attention
Speaker 2: won't be there because they'll do the raid super quick,
Speaker 2: be done, and then they just log up. Really there,
Speaker 2: there's not much for them to do outside of the
Speaker 2: raid anymore. Right, That's my worry, But I don't care.
Speaker 1: It's fine, Okay, guys, I want to hear from everyone
Speaker 1: on this. It is a controversial one. I'll bring up.
Speaker 1: I'll just yet initial takes first, and then I'll bring
Speaker 1: up what the potential workarounds could be. Piggybacking off of
Speaker 1: arcos is anyone in sense or particularly happy or whatever
Speaker 1: about the post Nerve announcement. I'll name someone, don't make
Speaker 1: me name someone.
Speaker 4: I think if it was the right decision the first time,
Speaker 4: why would it be the wrong decision this time? Literally
Speaker 4: saved the fucking expansion the first time round. The entire
Speaker 4: playerbase was quitting at SSC because they couldn't kill Vash,
Speaker 4: So why the fuck would you put them through it again?
Speaker 1: I agree?
Speaker 3: I agree.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you this much. I'll just add to that,
Speaker 1: I'm on the you guys. You know, most of you
Speaker 1: listeners know my personal takes on the bigger debates over
Speaker 1: the years, GDKP, fucking nerving content, all that shit. I'll
Speaker 1: just say it again. You know, I am on the
Speaker 1: record saying I am personally fine with having the last
Speaker 1: couple of bosses of a Raid to be, you know,
Speaker 1: semi challenging, being like, you know, I'm I'm okay with
Speaker 1: a Raid not having a one hundred percent clear rate
Speaker 1: in Wow Classic, even though Wow Classic is about easy
Speaker 1: content and I've been really big on the beer in hand.
Speaker 1: Rating is the most important part of Wow Classic. I've
Speaker 1: always said, yeah, but you know, if you have the
Speaker 1: last boss or the second last boss or whatever be
Speaker 1: quite challenging, and like you know, that's the step up
Speaker 1: for the more semi serious guilds. Then I don't think
Speaker 1: everyone deserves every piece of gear in the game. That's
Speaker 1: just me. But having said that, that's my personal ideology
Speaker 1: when it comes to raids. I also have to take
Speaker 1: into account, like you, Biquit have said, the fact that
Speaker 1: we literally know, we saw the raw hard data come
Speaker 1: through last time. That all, you can't quit the game,
Speaker 1: you just straight up quit the game when you do
Speaker 1: feel that you don't have a birthright to every piece
Speaker 1: of gear in the game, when there is some semblance
Speaker 1: of a real game, a challenge, or is this just
Speaker 1: there's one boss at the end of the rate, You've
Speaker 1: just killed eight bosses, you got all your loot from
Speaker 1: that thing, and there's one boss at the end of
Speaker 1: the raid that is particularly hard to kill that you
Speaker 1: won't get loot from. You've all said, and I say,
Speaker 1: you you know the universal you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Whatever you've all said, we will cancel ourself and stop
Speaker 1: funneling money towards Blizzard Entertainment if we do not get
Speaker 1: all the gear. I disagree with that but that that mentality.
Speaker 1: But I agree with Blizzard going, you know what, we
Speaker 1: don't want the player base quitting, so let's just give
Speaker 1: the baby the bottle and make it easy for everyone.
Speaker 1: I agree with that move. We've literally seen, like you
Speaker 1: be said, it is the right decision business wise. It's
Speaker 1: also the right decision game wise for a vibrant and
Speaker 1: you know, meaningful popular population. So I'm happy to throw
Speaker 1: my individual preferences in the bin for the greater good.
Speaker 10: I can chime in here. I a couple of things
Speaker 10: with that particular tier. It's it's tough because Kt and
Speaker 10: Vash both either will complete your foreset, which is extremely
Speaker 10: powerful for some stuff. So you know, you could struggle
Speaker 10: and do everything, but those last two bosses and you
Speaker 10: will not have people get four piece to your bonuses
Speaker 10: at all until you kill one or the other, and
Speaker 10: you know, eventually you can out gear stuff. But if
Speaker 10: you're if you're not getting four piece, you're not getting
Speaker 10: the powerful stuff. You know, you're not getting the expertise built,
Speaker 10: you're not getting you're not getting the big ticket items
Speaker 10: from the last boss of the trade. So it's like
Speaker 10: it's harder to brute force that I think it's the
Speaker 10: right decision. The elitist in me, who who did pre
Speaker 10: nerve fashion kt is, you know, makes me think, like,
Speaker 10: why not make it togglable?
Speaker 17: I don't think again, I don't think it would see
Speaker 17: much use.
Speaker 10: But because again, people like the chill raids, but it's
Speaker 10: a it's an interesting take.
Speaker 18: Well, Galli, Galli.
Speaker 1: That's the point I was going to bring up on
Speaker 1: the togg leble notion there, because like, again, tell me
Speaker 1: why I'm a fucking idiot for saying this, And I'm
Speaker 1: more than happy to be told that what is stopping
Speaker 1: Blizzard from going? All right, we'll just do what we
Speaker 1: did with all the other classic shit we've done, where
Speaker 1: you walk in the instance and if everyone wants the
Speaker 1: pre nerth raid fucking ten of you click on the
Speaker 1: orb to your right at the instance and you instantly
Speaker 1: get all the pre Nearth values for those guilds that
Speaker 1: want to challenge, and you get one extra piece of
Speaker 1: loot at the end or something.
Speaker 11: I don't know.
Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean I again, personally I love that idea.
Speaker 10: But then you know, Warcraft Logs would probably send them
Speaker 10: a sternly worded email saying, but then we're going to
Speaker 10: have to partition it so many different ways.
Speaker 1: Fuck Warcraft logs. He gives a shit about there.
Speaker 17: Every single Classic wild Player every.
Speaker 1: I know, I know, I know.
Speaker 10: Yeah, So it's just yeah, again, I think it's probably
Speaker 10: better for the game, But personally, I think hard content.
Speaker 17: Is good and it feels character. But again, that's not.
Speaker 1: The all right, guys, tear me to shreds here, go
Speaker 1: harder than Galley if you want to it. Is it
Speaker 1: outrageous for me to say, why don't they just do
Speaker 1: the option at the start of the instance for those
Speaker 1: guilts like Arcosts that want to challenge.
Speaker 15: Oh, it's not. It's definitely not, because you know, at
Speaker 15: the end of the day you can clear the whole rate,
Speaker 15: get your shiny gear, and then at the end of
Speaker 15: a phase you can say, you know what, let's go
Speaker 15: away in heart more and try it. That's just my
Speaker 15: opinion on that.
Speaker 1: Anyone else on this.
Speaker 7: No, not to like, I'll just create an echo chamber.
Speaker 7: I guess it's the same. It's yeah, the same opinion.
Speaker 8: I don't care.
Speaker 7: Like if Arcos wants to like people that play the
Speaker 7: game like him don't really worry about the gear or
Speaker 7: whatever and just want the challenge, go on ahead, I reckon, Like,
Speaker 7: why take that?
Speaker 1: As someone is saying in twitchat who we got here,
Speaker 1: we've got erdap is saying, hey, look, you know, Vashi
Speaker 1: and KT could be nerve, but they could leave the
Speaker 1: rest of the instance. What do you guys think of
Speaker 1: that suggestion?
Speaker 9: That's what I was thinking, was that, just uh nerf
Speaker 9: Vash and KT because those seemed to be the real
Speaker 9: roadblocks for people back in the day, and just leave
Speaker 9: everything else pre nerve for now.
Speaker 2: See how it goes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it could work, could work either way with it
Speaker 1: is as it is now. I just out of interest.
Speaker 1: We've got like twelve people here, maybe eleven, not including me.
Speaker 1: Is anyone really really unhappy here with this decision to
Speaker 1: go blanket post nerve. No, So it's all thumbs up
Speaker 1: across the board. That's quite Frankly, that little mini tip
Speaker 1: sample we just got there is exactly why they're doing it, because,
Speaker 1: like I said, nobody gives a fuck anymore. Nobody gives
Speaker 1: a fuck. So yeah, there we go, guys, We'll move
Speaker 1: on because I mean, like I said, this is getting
Speaker 1: some pushback on the subreddit, but like as people are thinking,
Speaker 1: I think are rightfully calling out on the subreddit. This
Speaker 1: is one of those classic examples of an extremely vocal,
Speaker 1: very small minority going like re post nerve is bullshit.
Speaker 1: Give us pre nerve. It was so good. Look, you're
Speaker 1: more than entitled to have those feelings. But just there's
Speaker 1: a fucking tidal wave of opinion against that. And it's
Speaker 1: just a business it's the right business decision just to say, no,
Speaker 1: we literally just went through this. We're doing it differently
Speaker 1: this time. Anyway, let's move on, Gibbie, what can we
Speaker 1: tackle next. I've got some more changes.
Speaker 4: You made the reputations account wide or whatever offter you
Speaker 4: do it on one.
Speaker 1: Character, yes, so the attunement and reputation and everything. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just nobody is complaining about this. That's a
Speaker 1: universal win, right.
Speaker 4: I have a mile. I mean I would have fixed
Speaker 4: the atumement problem in a different way, in that they
Speaker 4: haven't fixed the problem where everyone still needs to do
Speaker 4: like forty runs of ramps, thirty runs of underbog while
Speaker 4: leveling Oh okay, yes, seventy and you have to go back.
Speaker 4: I would have just made all the ke's honored and
Speaker 4: account bound or whatever the fuck they wanted to do,
Speaker 4: or just honored because then as you level your next
Speaker 4: character and just do even half of each zone, that
Speaker 4: character would therefore end up able to do heroics and
Speaker 4: you'd end up in the same boat as this solution anyway.
Speaker 4: But this, yeah, this still doesn't fix my main gripe
Speaker 4: with TBC as a whole, where we're just going to
Speaker 4: live in Dungeons sixty to seventy.
Speaker 1: It's a really interesting point. I'd love to hear from
Speaker 1: you other guys on this one, because I feel like
Speaker 1: we just went through this with SOD where they went
Speaker 1: super player friendly and just said, you know what, we're
Speaker 1: not doing stupid reputation, like, you know, stupid time investment wise,
Speaker 1: reputation grinds, Like we're going to make this quite friendly
Speaker 1: to encourage alts and whatnot. And I really feel like
Speaker 1: they've leant into this over the last couple of years
Speaker 1: of being like, yeah, we won't go the TBC route,
Speaker 1: and now yeah, with TBC Anniversary, they had that chance
Speaker 1: to sort of flip the script a little bit and
Speaker 1: they've opted not to because ordinarily I would say again,
Speaker 1: sorry to always do this, but the business perspective of
Speaker 1: me is like, no, good, keep the cunts in dungeons
Speaker 1: because it gives them like content to do, and they
Speaker 1: stay subscribed because they've got to knock out these fucking
Speaker 1: very long and arduous rep grounds. But the playerbase has
Speaker 1: pushed back against that in recent years, going like it
Speaker 1: fucking you know, time adds up and it's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I've got to do fucking you know, Black
Speaker 1: Moras or fucking you know, Shattered Halls or whatever for
Speaker 1: the nineteenth time.
Speaker 4: Tonight, I vividly remember you, Hunk, maybe Marcus your three
Speaker 4: day review, and you all sounded like you wanted to
Speaker 4: off yourselves because you spent twenty eight of the last
Speaker 4: thirty six hours in dungeons.
Speaker 1: Well, but that's because we got so Hunk and I
Speaker 1: got sucked up into the mistake of listening to all
Speaker 1: the content creators and the whole community going you must
Speaker 1: level through dungeons or you've done it wrong, because that
Speaker 1: way you get to passively get your reputation done while
Speaker 1: also leveling. And Hunk, can I still like, you know,
Speaker 1: we still like shut up when we think of those
Speaker 1: days because it was the least fun I've ever had playing. Wow. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we wanted to fucking kill each other like it was
Speaker 1: we spend way too much time together. It was, it was,
Speaker 1: it was so like antithetical to fun. So like, I
Speaker 1: am not I don't give a fuck about repping all
Speaker 1: that shit. I'll get it done eventually. I am not
Speaker 1: doing that this time around. You guys, do whatever the
Speaker 1: fuck you want to do. Don't get me wrong. I
Speaker 1: love dungeons. I'll do a lot of dungeons. But I
Speaker 1: mean the TBC leveling experience is this is a controversial point,
Speaker 1: in my mind, the best one there. I said it.
Speaker 1: I think that the sixty to seventy questing experience. So
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about dungeon grinding. The TBC quests and
Speaker 1: the path thing it takes you along and the jumping
Speaker 1: from zone all the zones, and I just think it's
Speaker 1: the best questing experience. As someone who quests a lot
Speaker 1: and has a million alts, I feel qualified to weigh
Speaker 1: in on this, and TBC did it best in my opinion,
Speaker 1: So I'm going to do the quest I'm not going
Speaker 1: to dungeon grind because I don't want to, fucking, like
Speaker 1: you say, jump off a bridge once I get to seventy,
Speaker 1: because I'm so fucking over the game. I just you know.
Speaker 1: I I will worry about the reputation later. All of
Speaker 1: you other guys, I would love to hear from you
Speaker 1: on this. Are you surprised they didn't change anything with
Speaker 1: regards to rep or do you think do you disagree
Speaker 1: with you being think that that rep grind is actually
Speaker 1: a good thing for TBC.
Speaker 12: I don't know a red at all.
Speaker 1: What you don't mind it?
Speaker 11: Yag No, not at all.
Speaker 12: I mean they could have sped it up, and I
Speaker 12: mean that on the answer is already in the game, right,
Speaker 12: Like each faction already has a tabird associated with it.
Speaker 12: Just link wrap games to the tabrin like basically double
Speaker 12: your rep gains so you're doing half as many dungeons
Speaker 12: to start.
Speaker 1: That's a good idea.
Speaker 12: I'd like the optimization of doing dungeons before doing quests
Speaker 12: because like that's the easiest way to get the wrap.
Speaker 12: I don't mind that.
Speaker 4: I think I was just gonna we mentioned this before
Speaker 4: this went live. You can keep your option. If I
Speaker 4: worked a Blizzard, I would have just gone through every
Speaker 4: TBC quest and just doubled its REP reward. So if
Speaker 4: I want to actually play the game how it was
Speaker 4: intended and have a fun time, in quest. I should
Speaker 4: get revered in every single zone comfortably. If I do
Speaker 4: even eighty percent of the quest in that zone, you
Speaker 4: should be brought. You should just creep into revered that way.
Speaker 4: If I do whll Fire, I do Zenga Marsh, a
Speaker 4: dinder Grand or whatever the fuck forest it is terre
Speaker 4: car forest. I should be able to go do a
Speaker 4: heroic when I'm level seventy, having done at least one
Speaker 4: run of normal and completed those quests and quested in
Speaker 4: the zone. It's flawed that I like, I love Outland leveling.
Speaker 4: It pisses me the fuck off that I complete Zanga
Speaker 4: Marsh through and through and then as a level seventy,
Speaker 4: I have to go do fucking Underbog with a bunch
Speaker 4: of level sixty two dungeon spammers to get revered so
Speaker 4: I can go do heroic Underbog. Like, that's just a
Speaker 4: broken system. Why can't they just go change every question
Speaker 4: from five hundred rep to a thousand rep. Problem solved
Speaker 4: and then you have two options. You can still dungeon spam.
Speaker 4: If you want a dungeon spam, go for it. But
Speaker 4: I think both pathways should get you.
Speaker 1: There, and at the moment You're right. It is really
Speaker 1: choose one or the other, because if you dungeon spam
Speaker 1: like you will miss all those TBC quests that are
Speaker 1: so great.
Speaker 4: I'm in your boat. I was. I used to get
Speaker 4: called a lunatic when retail went to pick what expansion
Speaker 4: you wanted to level in. I was one of these
Speaker 4: widos still picking Outland like quite recently, even though they
Speaker 4: all scream at you're saying it's so inefficient, you should
Speaker 4: do this one or you know, spam dungeons. Outlands is
Speaker 4: a fucking good questing experience and it's a shame that
Speaker 4: we minmax ourselves out of it. And like, I'm still
Speaker 4: going to do it the old school. I'm going to
Speaker 4: quest and I'm going to do Underbog normal for three
Speaker 4: runs and get all shitty about it. But it's just
Speaker 4: what they have. I just don't know why they couldn't
Speaker 4: fix it. We've been through this once already.
Speaker 1: I'll throw it to you other guys in a second.
Speaker 1: I just want to finish up. You be on this
Speaker 1: one point, all right, UV. I wanted you to get toxic,
Speaker 1: not really, but kind of if you want. You're getting
Speaker 1: some pushback on twitch here from beloved viewer dflight X,
Speaker 1: who has heard your call for reps to be dropped
Speaker 1: to on it or whatever to get the key, and
Speaker 1: he goes, he didn't say it this way, but I'm
Speaker 1: going to inflame it. Sorry, sorry, Deflight. I'm sure you're
Speaker 1: a lovely person, and I'm going to add some drama
Speaker 1: to the podcast. This fucking stupid cunt just wants the
Speaker 1: key given to him. What do you say?
Speaker 4: You be well that this my solution of it going
Speaker 4: to honored is just trying to match blizzards extremely low
Speaker 4: bar of how they fix things. I've given the better
Speaker 4: option of making questing valid or dungeon spamming valid, but
Speaker 4: I'm just going with the actual reasonable solution of that's
Speaker 4: the easiest band aid fixed possible that requires the least
Speaker 4: amount of work. But still actually I feel is fair
Speaker 4: to everyone, so I don't mind it. Like if you
Speaker 4: want it to be like I'm a nut case, make
Speaker 4: it fucking exalted then and we can all fucking suck
Speaker 4: together like they make it miserable for everybody. Put the
Speaker 4: key behind exalted. There we go.
Speaker 1: Well you said that the magic phrase for this week's podcast.
Speaker 1: We can all suck together? Ding Ding, ding tell him
Speaker 1: what he's won, all right, right.
Speaker 4: Now, it's I'm more. I'm it's not that the how
Speaker 4: it is is such a problem. It's just baffling to
Speaker 4: me that they just want to run the circus back
Speaker 4: like we we really it for ourselves the first time,
Speaker 4: and they're like, du'll be different this time. No we're not.
Speaker 4: We're gonna go fucking run thirty seven ramparts back to
Speaker 4: back day one. That's what we're gonna fucking do. So
Speaker 4: it would just be nice if they would stop us
Speaker 4: from doing it.
Speaker 1: Hey, Deflight, I should say, and this goes for obviously
Speaker 1: anyone who's watching along. Guys, you've heard the caliber and
Speaker 1: the nature of the conversation that we do here on
Speaker 1: the podcast. Deflight by all means you're more than welcome
Speaker 1: to join the discord and jump in voice with us.
Speaker 1: And I love the we you know, the whole thing
Speaker 1: is about the both sides of the coin. I would
Speaker 1: love the contrarian take here. If you want to go
Speaker 1: back and forth with you beyond this, please get in
Speaker 1: boys with us and have you say. We'd love to
Speaker 1: meet you. But you know, no pressure. It's just I'm
Speaker 1: happy to sort of bring up your argument on your
Speaker 1: behalf as well. But having said all that, a couple
Speaker 1: of you other guys who are about to say something
Speaker 1: and sorry I pushed you biquit us there, please jump in,
Speaker 1: guys on this point. Do you believe that the reputation
Speaker 1: system should be changing? TBC.
Speaker 10: I was going to jump and real quick and say,
Speaker 10: I think that is a universal experience that if you
Speaker 10: followed that five man dungeon group, you have horror stories
Speaker 10: and you hated your friends. And I still think back
Speaker 10: at the group that I ran with, and people would
Speaker 10: get mad if you ran off to do a hit
Speaker 10: a fucking mining node to level up.
Speaker 17: They'd be like, no, no, no, we need to go here,
Speaker 17: we need to go here. And it was. It was insane.
Speaker 10: And I actually I just posted the link in the
Speaker 10: discord if anyone wants to take a look at it.
Speaker 17: I still have it in my Google sheets. Yeah. That sucked.
Speaker 17: I would never do that again.
Speaker 4: Fuck that.
Speaker 1: Anyone else on this one.
Speaker 8: I actually had a good experience as far as the
Speaker 8: group goes.
Speaker 7: It's we've been playing the game together for years and
Speaker 7: just something about four.
Speaker 8: Out of five of us, was it.
Speaker 7: We just all gelled quite well and we all got
Speaker 7: bored at roughly the same time, and we just start
Speaker 7: scuffing pools and doing cooked stuff to try and make
Speaker 7: it interesting. Efficiency kind of went down the toilet, but
Speaker 7: it didn't really matter as far as the rep grind goes.
Speaker 7: It sucks. It objectively sucks. It's lazy content, And yeah,
Speaker 7: it's likely it'd be great if you didn't have to
Speaker 7: do it as long. That's that's my take on it, all.
Speaker 1: Right, fair enough, guys, If nobody says anything, I will
Speaker 1: move on to the next subject. So speak now or
Speaker 1: forever hold your silence.
Speaker 15: Yeah, might be some copium, I think, Yeah. I think
Speaker 15: Lizzard just doesn't want people in the outer world. I
Speaker 15: think they would have to open up so many layers.
Speaker 15: People would still complain that they won't get any mob
Speaker 15: tech whatsoever. And they don't want to hassle. They just
Speaker 15: want a smooth experience. They don't want to put in
Speaker 15: the work, and that's why they will never change it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Galy, you were going to say, Yeah, I.
Speaker 10: Was gonna say, I'm no stranger to rep grinds. I
Speaker 10: did the whole insane grind and rath of lich King
Speaker 10: and everything. But agree, it's we've done it before, either
Speaker 10: give more rep from questing or drop it to honored
Speaker 10: do something lazy. I mean, the boa thing is like
Speaker 10: cool band aid fix, but like you know, cool people
Speaker 10: are going to run dungeons anyways, but I don't know,
Speaker 10: just get people doing content. That's kind of what I've
Speaker 10: what I've learned is best is just whatever it gets
Speaker 10: people doing stuff is a win.
Speaker 1: All right, guys, we'll just reap through the really really
Speaker 1: easy ones that are just sort of no brainers. Everyone
Speaker 1: and their mother was expecting heroism and blood loss to
Speaker 1: be right wide now with the ten minutes, said an
Speaker 1: exhaustion da buff. That didn't shock anyone, did it? No,
Speaker 1: not at all, And it's the right move, right.
Speaker 10: Curious if it's going to reset after you've killed the boss.
Speaker 10: If not, you're going to have a lot of people
Speaker 10: either waiting out the ten minute time or between bosses,
Speaker 10: or or doing some weird ship because I believe in.
Speaker 15: The already stated that after a wipe.
Speaker 9: Or after a wiper kills, so therefore perfect it should.
Speaker 17: Is that good change?
Speaker 1: Did they do that for all major cool downs?
Speaker 11: So just for that, just for her rhythm and blood lost?
Speaker 15: Yeah?
Speaker 12: I think just all right, It doesn't really change the
Speaker 12: amount of shamans you're bringing to rad though, Like you
Speaker 12: just don't want to know.
Speaker 15: You're still gonna need totems.
Speaker 9: You're still gonna need five probably per raid, So it
Speaker 9: really is not going to change the meta too much.
Speaker 8: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: But now you've only got to give him a hand job.
Speaker 4: You don't have to rub their balls at the same
Speaker 4: time as well, because they'd wear a big pal class
Speaker 4: fucking last last time we did this.
Speaker 1: You don't have to swallow the gravy. Just cradle the bulls.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like you know what I mean. We're going to
Speaker 4: suck up to them a little bit less you can
Speaker 4: tell them how you really feel.
Speaker 1: Now, Oh my god, have you seen in the guild
Speaker 1: We've got like, what is it fucking thirty five hundred
Speaker 1: shamans already? Mm hmm shaman. I should say it's the
Speaker 1: plural whatever fucking gods, I went full stop rolling shaman
Speaker 1: people easy tell them.
Speaker 3: I was just going to count how many we have
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 1: Nine?
Speaker 18: Oh yeah, dude, Oh my goodness, it's at least what
Speaker 18: ten fifteen? We have enough shot And to the question
Speaker 18: is it really.
Speaker 3: Going to be our raid?
Speaker 18: Sorry, are totem is going to be raid wide? Have
Speaker 18: they said or answered, because a lot of people were
Speaker 18: asking them the bloodless totems? No, so you still have
Speaker 18: to drop.
Speaker 9: They never, They haven't said anything, So it's assume that
Speaker 9: they're still party wise.
Speaker 4: I hope they wait for Holy Shamans to hit sixty
Speaker 4: and then they say raid wide totems immediately from five
Speaker 4: six pair right to one.
Speaker 3: Still take two?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you'd take too.
Speaker 19: You'll still take at least two, but you'll take two
Speaker 19: rests and that's about it.
Speaker 14: I don't think they're going to go that far.
Speaker 2: What is what is we just take two? The kind
Speaker 2: of outside of theirs and elemental?
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, what is the shaman element? You
Speaker 1: don't know?
Speaker 20: Okay, you can take you can take one if you
Speaker 20: full stuck warlocks, but then you're just par one costo
Speaker 20: group over every other customer.
Speaker 1: What is is the shot? Let me see if this
Speaker 1: is a shoot me down? Either true or false? The
Speaker 1: shaman obsession in TVC is purely driven by raid slot itis,
Speaker 1: like fomo about missing out on the raid? True or false?
Speaker 1: Like are people? Are people just all rolling shaman because
Speaker 1: they want to be as short of a raid slot,
Speaker 1: or they all rolling Sharman because they genuinely love Sharman.
Speaker 1: In TBC, it's.
Speaker 4: The most of any expansion to play a specific class
Speaker 4: you could ever get, because it's like most class dominated
Speaker 4: utility role of all time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so half these counts don't even like playing Sharman.
Speaker 1: They just want to be in the raid.
Speaker 3: Quite possibly, as long as you're saying half, I mean
Speaker 3: genuinely playing Charman.
Speaker 5: See, yeah, I'm sure there are some people just like
Speaker 5: you're saying, definitely read slots are big.
Speaker 2: I remember warlocks?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got a lot of warlocks too.
Speaker 1: And that's part of what turned me like I was originally.
Speaker 1: I was like, and I'm still setting you know, classic Josh,
Speaker 1: I'm still settling on what I want I wan to
Speaker 1: play for TVC, but I am heavily leaning Rogue. We'll
Speaker 1: get into that later. But I started out on a Warlock,
Speaker 1: and then you know, I turn off for me is
Speaker 1: when you start to see the amount of other Warlocks
Speaker 1: being created and they're like, fuck, there's a dozen Warlocks here.
Speaker 1: And I completely understand why I get the power of
Speaker 1: the warlock in TBC, but I saw that roster and
Speaker 1: I was like, fuck this. I don't want to be fucking,
Speaker 1: you know, competing for gear with a million people and
Speaker 1: also not feel I don't know, at least a little special.
Speaker 1: I like Marcus knows, I like to feel a little special,
Speaker 1: and quite frankly, I am a little special in my
Speaker 1: own special way.
Speaker 8: I know exactly a couple of interpretations.
Speaker 12: Get that fire is scary, You'll still be special.
Speaker 1: There you go? All right, So that's the the shaman
Speaker 1: change is done. The other real quick look at they're
Speaker 1: bringing in edit mode for the UI thing. Everyone seems
Speaker 1: pretty happy with that. All THEBP ship Sorry you go,
Speaker 1: you go, occass, and then I'll throw it to Marcus.
Speaker 2: The The people who are married to their class in
Speaker 2: TBC that you'll see are the warriors, because they they
Speaker 2: know going in that like everybody wants to like a
Speaker 2: clown on them right, like it's not your time anymore.
Speaker 2: Everyone has experienced now again the warrior stacktorates in PA's
Speaker 2: one twelve. So everyone who's playing a warrior in in TBC,
Speaker 2: like you can you can quit the much say that
Speaker 2: like they know that they're in for a beating, that
Speaker 2: people are going to talk shit about them a lot
Speaker 2: I'm ready.
Speaker 4: I'm ready.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But the like we say here, we were saying
Speaker 2: here and the racin at the end of the hot dog,
Speaker 2: Like it's the what's the cream crimpal crime or cream
Speaker 2: at the end of something.
Speaker 1: I don't know what's saying you're trying to say, but
Speaker 1: it's making me hony.
Speaker 14: Are you saying the dream rises to the top kind
Speaker 14: of thing?
Speaker 1: The cream rises to the hot doesn't like?
Speaker 2: Is that all of the Warriors know this right? But
Speaker 2: everyone who is like down on the Warrior and just
Speaker 2: like talking shit about the Warrior and TBC is really
Speaker 2: just exposing themselves as a person that has like no
Speaker 2: idea what the fuck they're talking about? Because Warrior and
Speaker 2: TBC isn't bad.
Speaker 1: No, we worked it out last time in a race,
Speaker 1: did we. Yeah, I'm saying the lesson everyone learned. No,
Speaker 1: the lesson everyone learned from TBC in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1: His Warriors are actually fantastic, and we all everyone shot
Speaker 1: down Warrior, like all the content creator is everyone shot
Speaker 1: Warriors in twenty twenty one, going they're gonna be shit,
Speaker 1: They're gonna be shitped re Rah And then all the
Speaker 1: numbers started coming in and it was like you know,
Speaker 1: late twenty one, early twenty two, everyone's like, holy shit,
Speaker 1: Warriors are still base And so this time around, you're
Speaker 1: right if you haven't worked out from all the data
Speaker 1: we got back four years ago, the Warriors are still
Speaker 1: powerhouses in TBC, You're a fucking idiot.
Speaker 2: I think I still see it.
Speaker 4: SSC.
Speaker 2: I mean they are, they're the best in in SC,
Speaker 2: for sure, but they are like I think in phase
Speaker 2: one they were like the fourth highest on the overall
Speaker 2: output and in SEC and TIK. And take this into
Speaker 2: account now that we are getting like heavily nerved rates
Speaker 2: in tier five, Like the Warrior was really good, especially
Speaker 2: in SEC because the war look really out changed the
Speaker 2: Warrior once the Truspacs have six or more mobs, but
Speaker 2: for a SC, there's so many Truspects with like three
Speaker 2: four mobs in them. And that's where the your cleave
Speaker 2: outsides the or can outside of the world. It's not
Speaker 2: the same intimes to keep, but they're like merely issue
Speaker 2: in S A C N t K mostly was that
Speaker 2: it was so easy to die on trust, right, So
Speaker 2: as a coster, you're you're far away, You're you're much
Speaker 2: more safe, right. But in heavily nerves to rates. Now
Speaker 2: I could easily see like merely being way more valuable
Speaker 2: than it was even back in in TBC Classic.
Speaker 1: Of course, let me ask a quick question. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm allowed one dumb question per podcast. I apologize for this,
Speaker 1: so it is fucking stupid. But does a shorter or
Speaker 1: a longer fight favor a Warrior? And I know you're
Speaker 1: going to say, hey, what do you define as short
Speaker 1: and long? But just generally you know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Usually in in the Classic, like expansions, a sort
Speaker 2: of fight will will always favor overor over and mostly
Speaker 2: it's it's the same issue that I have complained about
Speaker 2: a lot in Insulted maxraumas Warrior has like in the
Speaker 2: in the toolkit, these percent modifier buffer damage percent modifiers.
Speaker 2: So the closer you can get a past fight to
Speaker 2: thirty seconds, which is the uptime of deathways, that's usually
Speaker 2: like the golden type of range of a kill for you,
Speaker 2: because then you have one hundred percent uptime on deathways.
Speaker 2: Usually the same like goes in reverse for for casters,
Speaker 2: especially dot classes, like they need their dots to ramp up.
Speaker 2: So like I don't know what the BIS range for
Speaker 2: for a warlock is in in TBC, but like it
Speaker 2: takes them multiple costs to get everything rolling on their target.
Speaker 1: Right, Oh yeah, yeah, but I'm saying more. Let me
Speaker 1: let me throw these two sorry, let me throw these
Speaker 1: two differences. Like let's say the difference during a ninety
Speaker 1: second fight and a three minute fight for a warrior.
Speaker 1: How does it change things?
Speaker 2: A lot? Usually? But it also depends like do you
Speaker 2: can you use your cool on twice or can you
Speaker 2: only use it once? Yeah? Like the does the fight
Speaker 2: length go over that? Like there were some sims that
Speaker 2: I was able to make, or like we were able
Speaker 2: to make in fight Club in sout ware, having as
Speaker 2: tier bonus that made your death was cooled down like
Speaker 2: fifty percent less, so ninety seconds instead of three minutes.
Speaker 2: Just equipping that tear bonus on like later tier rates
Speaker 2: still gave you a big deps increase because you could
Speaker 2: use the CD twice rather than once or But the
Speaker 2: general rule of famasist that for warrior, the longer the
Speaker 2: fat goes, the worse your output will be. You'll you'll
Speaker 2: find some plateau and you'll just stay there when on
Speaker 2: pull when you pop your CDs when you're like mongoose
Speaker 2: PROCs and you you have your own use drink it on.
Speaker 2: You have your like haste postion rolling like that's where
Speaker 2: you have have your peak damage and then it's downhill.
Speaker 1: From Thank you for that, mate, Fred, if I can
Speaker 1: just key you up so sorry, I know you're listening
Speaker 1: in there politely. I just want to invoke your name
Speaker 1: because I saw you jump over from the Twitch crowd
Speaker 1: to the Discord crowd. Obviously we invoked the word shaman
Speaker 1: and that's what makes you magically appear in the room.
Speaker 1: And mate, just to let you have your say on
Speaker 1: the close out of the Sharman point we were making.
Speaker 1: You know, I was saying, like a shaman actually, like
Speaker 1: you know, just standard Sharman in TBC and everyone just
Speaker 1: overreacts because of the rate slot or is there something
Speaker 1: more to it? Mate? What are your plans?
Speaker 12: You know?
Speaker 21: I have several friends who are playing TBC very much
Speaker 21: interested in getting into it, so I'm still considering whether
Speaker 21: I play. I mean, I think that the changes are
Speaker 21: very interesting. Well, I think we'll see how it shakes out,
Speaker 21: because obviously in a totally unchanged worlds, you know, you
Speaker 21: just need the bloodlust, so it'll be really interesting to
Speaker 21: see how it is now. I guess that's all I
Speaker 21: can say. I don't have any interesting to say about it.
Speaker 21: I just I just get to listen.
Speaker 1: Really no, no, all good, mate, you do your think
Speaker 1: trust me. Okay, guys, let's move along. If nobody had
Speaker 1: anything else to say, let's go to Marcus. I said,
Speaker 1: the look the PvP changes. We've got, arena rating changes,
Speaker 1: the item requirements reduced or removed, Arena gear costs reduced.
Speaker 1: I think they got rid of teams. I believe as well. Mate,
Speaker 1: did you see all that PvP stuff?
Speaker 7: I slept on it, so it's a bit of a
Speaker 7: live reaction, but initial take is good. It's just just
Speaker 7: a change to improve participation at least I hope that
Speaker 7: would be the outcome, which is always good because particip participation.
Speaker 8: I was like, I played on.
Speaker 7: O C and I do believe that you're entirely responsible
Speaker 7: for the situation that happened there. There was there was
Speaker 7: no participation, and it died like super quickly.
Speaker 1: But we've truly got the meme now, the Grim Reaper
Speaker 1: meme of me with the face of me on the
Speaker 1: Grim Reaper. But it's like ten doors in the trail
Speaker 1: of blood with all the server names on it.
Speaker 8: Yes, yes, and yeah.
Speaker 7: The ocap VP scene was probably one of the doors
Speaker 7: way off in the distance, down near the vanishing point
Speaker 7: of the image, I'd imagine, yep, But yeah, it's that
Speaker 7: kind of thing will boost participation. You can play with you,
Speaker 7: with your mates. You don't get locked into a team.
Speaker 7: I'm sad I don't get to have the little team
Speaker 7: emblem of the angry peasant guy and then call my
Speaker 7: team pissed off peasants.
Speaker 1: But to be fair on the team thing, I'm getting
Speaker 1: the impression that every fucking man, woman and child was
Speaker 1: quite happy to ditch the team thing. Is that the
Speaker 1: case or not?
Speaker 7: Yeah, that was a good change when they've done it
Speaker 7: in what's now a modern version of the game, it
Speaker 7: was a good change.
Speaker 17: Then.
Speaker 4: I believe it.
Speaker 8: Would have lifted participation because.
Speaker 7: You just play games and then you get the rating
Speaker 7: that you wanted for that week, and then you just sit.
Speaker 7: You wouldn't play with your mates, But now I can
Speaker 7: sort of have like different people that I'll play the
Speaker 7: game with in different brackets or whatever.
Speaker 1: Now, mate, are we finally, after two fucking years of
Speaker 1: talking about it, going to do an arena together or.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well we've done a few in modern but yes,
Speaker 7: we will do an arena. Depending on which class you
Speaker 7: pick and which class I pick, it doesn't really matter,
Speaker 7: like who cares.
Speaker 1: Well, I think I'm leaning rogues, so I can go
Speaker 1: with anyone.
Speaker 7: Well, like I'll probably like I'm sort of leaning back
Speaker 7: into getting back to my roots of playing a mage.
Speaker 8: So, mate, if you like hooked setup.
Speaker 1: I would love to see. I would look, I've heard
Speaker 1: so much about it. I would love to see in person, what,
Speaker 1: even in the hands of an unskilled player like myself,
Speaker 1: what rogue mage does well.
Speaker 8: The thing about it is that it takes a little.
Speaker 2: Bit of coordinate in the history of a Yeah.
Speaker 7: It takes a bit of coordination, Like you've got to
Speaker 7: get your setups right. But you know, if we weren't
Speaker 7: lame pilled, we could probably practice that in.
Speaker 1: The world coordination. That's where I'm a viking.
Speaker 2: Will I mean the only more wheelchair come that you
Speaker 2: could play would be rod grow right.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it is like Arcs is correct, Like it sucks
Speaker 7: because he's usually correct, but it's just such a blood
Speaker 7: instrument his correctness.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of fun because you will win
Speaker 2: a lot of games. Just when the door open, your
Speaker 2: cloud will show the other team and you'll be like, yeah,
Speaker 2: okay this this winners in the back.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's like the like the two best words
Speaker 7: in the English language is default, right, but a rehearsal
Speaker 7: to be able, like when you are challenged to be
Speaker 7: able to pull it off.
Speaker 8: But when you do, man like Wow.
Speaker 1: Look, voods voodoos here in the background, going can I
Speaker 1: come to So he is playing a voodoo. I can't
Speaker 1: believe you rolled the priest. When you think of think
Speaker 1: of your friends, like we all have a million people
Speaker 1: that we play Wow with, but like think of your
Speaker 1: mates that you play the game with and the last
Speaker 1: class in the world you would ever picture them to
Speaker 1: pick or you know, engage within in any way, shape
Speaker 1: or form. I have never thought of a bigger contrast
Speaker 1: in my life than priest and voodoo. Voodoo? What brought
Speaker 1: this on? The guild needed to heal a mat Oh God,
Speaker 1: you're a sweetheart.
Speaker 7: Really, I can fulfill my lifelong dream of saying to Voodoo,
Speaker 7: keat me up.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah yeah. When you when you when you take
Speaker 1: one hit and you get dropped to ninety three percent
Speaker 1: healths the heill where's the heill keep me up?
Speaker 3: Hat me up?
Speaker 8: I'm making a play.
Speaker 4: What was saying?
Speaker 1: Arena threes? Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 8: The PMR.
Speaker 7: We used to call it PMR, you know, I see gine,
Speaker 7: so like that's the correct way of saying it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you actually say PMR. That's very strange.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's what we go, dear, but that yeah, yeah,
Speaker 7: we wanted a bit different to the set bos On Frostborn. Right,
Speaker 7: we were better than most of them.
Speaker 2: So for for both both your like r M and
Speaker 2: r M P, you will you will very quickly learn
Speaker 2: like the basic script of how you should play, like
Speaker 2: how's it start? How how should go about right? And
Speaker 2: that will carry you through like ninety eight percent of
Speaker 2: games going by that one script of who engages in
Speaker 2: what manner, uses which ability in which sequence? You you
Speaker 2: will get by like nine.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I'm going to play a terrible quote unquote Yeah.
Speaker 2: Would come with experience, right, voodoo.
Speaker 1: I just presumed you were doing the Shadow Priest thing,
Speaker 1: but you actually would heal for the Guild, would you be?
Speaker 3: Guy?
Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm doing strictly Healer full of Shadow for Freeze,
Speaker 11: but I'm going to boost the warlock.
Speaker 1: Up there's too many of you. Look at Easy Green, Voodoo,
Speaker 1: all these guys that are like for the guild. I
Speaker 1: love you guys. You're better people than myself and Marcus.
Speaker 4: This disc priest. Rogue is very strong in TBC as well,
Speaker 4: So you've got options here. If Marcus pisces you off,
Speaker 4: you can go play with Voodoo or vice versa.
Speaker 1: Marcus could never piss me off. My fucking comrade in
Speaker 1: arms over there.
Speaker 3: It's a good, good.
Speaker 1: Thing, voodoos.
Speaker 4: If Voodoo is not interested in Shadow Priest, if you have,
Speaker 4: if you know someone that says that they're gonna play
Speaker 4: shadow Priests in TBC, hold them close, check in on
Speaker 4: them weekly, maybe buy them a Christmas present, because I
Speaker 4: reckon there's going to be fuck all of them after well,
Speaker 4: we all rolled it and it's fun for literally twelve weeks,
Speaker 4: and then the class is absolute dog doodo by the
Speaker 4: end of SCC that no one's gonna want to make
Speaker 4: that mistake again. Shadow.
Speaker 1: It's funny you bring up Shadow Priest because it's the
Speaker 1: last class. I've said, I'm pretty much like I'm leaning
Speaker 1: towards Rogue, and I'm really enjoying my time on Rogue.
Speaker 1: So far but like one of the last specs just
Speaker 1: I want to cross off my list to try just
Speaker 1: to make sure I do or don't like it, is
Speaker 1: shadow priest. I'm really intrigued by shadow priests. I might
Speaker 1: not like it, but I've like the you know, everyone
Speaker 1: knows rogue is. You know, TBC is not exactly the
Speaker 1: best for the PVEE rogue, but like, I've been more
Speaker 1: than happy to play it because I just like, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm being a weirdo and going like I'm happy to
Speaker 1: be the util guy in a heroic you know, the
Speaker 1: thought of like sea seing shit everywhere all over heroic
Speaker 1: just floats my boat because I'm a fucking weido like that.
Speaker 1: But you know the concept of you know, hey, guys,
Speaker 1: I'm not here for my damage. I'm here to fucking
Speaker 1: give you the man of battery shit as its shadow priest.
Speaker 1: That appeals to me as well. I'm just I'm trying
Speaker 1: to be Captain Utility in fucking TVC because I can't
Speaker 1: do anything else.
Speaker 4: You've got to really go hard on appreciating your role
Speaker 4: as a shadow Priest in TBC. But it's kind of
Speaker 4: like the guys that love playing Shaman in classic and
Speaker 4: they know that they're worthless except for their totems, but
Speaker 4: that makes them happy. The problem is Shadow Priest actually
Speaker 4: has a skill, like a skill floor in TBC, like
Speaker 4: if you're and the entire point of your utility is
Speaker 4: actually how well you can execute the class. So it's
Speaker 4: the same role, but literally the polar extreme opposite. You
Speaker 4: don't get to just chuck a stick on the floor
Speaker 4: and go, I've done ninety eight percent of my job. Literally,
Speaker 4: the more of a sweat lord you are, the greater
Speaker 4: the Shadow priests utility becomes. So that's why they liked me,
Speaker 4: because I went pretty hard in TBC on it. But
Speaker 4: phase one just tricks you. They're all multi dot fights,
Speaker 4: so you get to feel really fucking good about yourself
Speaker 4: and then you realize, oh no, my damage is really bad.
Speaker 4: When they don't give me eight ads to shadow word
Speaker 4: pain in Mag's lair anymore, Holy fuck. And then you're like,
Speaker 4: I mean, you'd be lucky to out DPS a fucking heelo.
Speaker 1: By the end of the can I ask the dumb question?
Speaker 1: I think I know the answer, but I want to
Speaker 1: ask anyway. For my second dumb question of the podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm breaking my own rules here, but I literally I'm
Speaker 1: a freak. I go to sleep thinking about this stuff.
Speaker 1: The last thought that went through my head last night
Speaker 1: before I fucking closed my eyes and went to sleep
Speaker 1: was as a shadow priest in a dungeon. Let's say
Speaker 1: you're in an pardon me, let's say you're in a
Speaker 1: heroic dungeon in TBC. As a shadow priest, you pull
Speaker 1: a five pack. There's no cc anyway. You just fighting
Speaker 1: five mobs. Do you, as the shadow priest v and
Speaker 1: and shadow word pain every one of the five mobs?
Speaker 1: Or do you focus one? I'm not sure.
Speaker 4: I usually minds control one because the mobs are so
Speaker 4: fucking strong to mind control, they'll do more damage than you.
Speaker 4: If it's like three mobs, yeah, like and some like
Speaker 4: I remember, is it shadow labs A fucking there's like
Speaker 4: jewel wilding sword mobs or whatever. You just MC one
Speaker 4: and just use its order.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah yeah. But I'm saying. I'm saying for the
Speaker 1: man of battery purposes, is it better to just get
Speaker 1: a ve and shadow word pain on as many mobs
Speaker 1: as possible? Or is it more manner just to ve
Speaker 1: the first mob and start mind blasting and shadow the
Speaker 1: you know mind flag and all that shit.
Speaker 4: If you're talking about purely your manner output, I imagine
Speaker 4: the single target would be better, But I think you'll
Speaker 4: do more damage by multi dotting, and it's probably a
Speaker 4: better Like it's better to do that, right. If there's
Speaker 4: things to dot, you just dot, like your dots are
Speaker 4: so strong, Like in Mag's lair, I stand in the
Speaker 4: very center of the room, so I can just fucking
Speaker 4: dot everything. And it's not my problem with our pull
Speaker 4: threat on like the eighth one that no one's paying
Speaker 4: attention to, because you know, details is all that matters.
Speaker 1: Speaking of speaking of shadow person, the word fear keeps
Speaker 1: up here. You just mentioned the word fear, and the
Speaker 1: word fear is now appearing in twitch chat, and it
Speaker 1: just triggered me because it just reminded me of and
Speaker 1: I know a lot of you guys easy and I've
Speaker 1: talked about it this a bunch over the last week
Speaker 1: or so. A lot of you guys are already missing
Speaker 1: some things that we just had on Epoch that have
Speaker 1: now been taken away from us, and we're fucking crying
Speaker 1: ourselves to sleep.
Speaker 3: Me as a.
Speaker 1: Warlock on Epoch, like mucking around with my Warlock on
Speaker 1: TBC Anniversary, I fucking died that. Now my fear is
Speaker 1: back to the old fear that they run away to
Speaker 1: squillion miles an hour, they go so far. On Epoch,
Speaker 1: they changed the way fear works for a warlock in
Speaker 1: that you could now fear with reckless abandon quite confidently
Speaker 1: in a dungeon because they ran half as far away
Speaker 1: and they didn't move like they just ran that regular speed,
Speaker 1: not at like twice the speed. So fear was really
Speaker 1: really fun as a warlock on Epoch. And now I'm
Speaker 1: back to it being like, it just feels like shit
Speaker 1: that the way that the regular game uses it. But
Speaker 1: that's just me easy. You've been missing some things from
Speaker 1: Epoch as well. Maybe ak, that's all right, but anyway,
Speaker 1: that just fucking triggered me. But the whole fear change,
Speaker 1: But no, it's not changed, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: going back to the way it is. Boys, Let's keep
Speaker 1: it going, Let's talk a little bit, let's have fun,
Speaker 1: let's open it up. Let's let's go a bit divergent
Speaker 1: because we've covered most of the news, guys, classes I mean,
Speaker 1: we've already started talking about it. Who's who's leaning Uv,
Speaker 1: what are your leaning.
Speaker 4: Mate, I'm playing a Warrior because I don't like the
Speaker 4: look of any of the casters in TBC, except for
Speaker 4: Shadow Priests. But I don't want to do that again.
Speaker 4: Like in terms of how they play, Warriors still has
Speaker 4: buttons to press. Uh, Malay is almost always fun to
Speaker 4: stand in there to avoid dying. But with that said,
Speaker 4: who knows as soon as you give me your boost
Speaker 4: knows what I might end up rolling?
Speaker 1: There you go, Oh god, I think I'm already on
Speaker 1: the hook for buying Hunker boost because otherwise he won't
Speaker 1: play the game. Who knows, Marcus will will have to
Speaker 1: fucking tie him to a chair and convince him to
Speaker 1: play some more TVC with us. After the dungeon debarcle
Speaker 1: last time.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it would just like promise him there'll be no
Speaker 7: dungeon debarkle this time and then hit him with a
Speaker 7: big dungeon.
Speaker 1: He's already said, he's already said he refuses to level
Speaker 1: in any way, shape or form, which I respect. So
Speaker 1: I've like, I'm half I'm half seriously entertaining, even though
Speaker 1: you know, again, for Arcos's purposes, hypothetically, I might just
Speaker 1: fire up a second account level and a character for
Speaker 1: him and just hand it off to him once it's.
Speaker 8: Seventy Yeah, yeah, hypothetically of course.
Speaker 7: Yeah, hypothetically, Yeah, I can drive it into him because
Speaker 7: I think he'd like, he would get some fun from it.
Speaker 1: Oh, he would love to He always says he would
Speaker 1: love to raid with us. He just says he's at
Speaker 1: a point in his life where he refuses to ever
Speaker 1: level ever again.
Speaker 8: In Wow, what about Classic Plus?
Speaker 1: Surely I think Classic Plus he might do.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's hypothetically do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah hypothetically. Hey, you other guys, let's let's fucking throw
Speaker 1: it around the table. Who is who knows what class
Speaker 1: they're playing? And he's pumped for it.
Speaker 6: In TBC Me Warrior, I'm keen why I've been taking
Speaker 6: a bit here and there on you know, dream Safe,
Speaker 6: and I'm just yeah, I don't know the way I've
Speaker 6: played Well, my whole life is get to Max and
Speaker 6: just do PvP and like just like PV just seems
Speaker 6: like too much time. But now I'm giving it a
Speaker 6: bit more of a go. Yeah, it's been fun.
Speaker 1: Look, I'll push you on this one, camp see because
Speaker 1: I love the sound of your voice mainly, but also
Speaker 1: you actually raised a point that kept me up at
Speaker 1: night over the last week. I Laz messaged me ten
Speaker 1: days ago and goes, what are you going to play
Speaker 1: in TBC? And I go Pro Warrior, Brother, This is
Speaker 1: once I'd moved. I've gone Warlock, pro Warrior rogue, doing
Speaker 1: the classic Josh thing. But I said, yeah, brother, prop Warrior,
Speaker 1: let's fucking do this, and Galley boys just raised. He
Speaker 1: goes prop Warrior in TBC. Geez, you better buy some
Speaker 1: Bengay for your fucking hands, and look at.
Speaker 3: Me I did.
Speaker 1: I did hours of YouTube research on the prop Warrior
Speaker 1: in TBC over the last week. I've been watching a
Speaker 1: fuck load of content and it really does just seem like,
Speaker 1: look now, I'm not dunking on the prop Warrior choice, don't.
Speaker 1: Don't fuck up what I'm saying here, but what I
Speaker 1: will stress is it does seem to be incredibly accurate
Speaker 1: that look, at the end of the day, you will
Speaker 1: be working fucking hard, smashing buttons like a can't just
Speaker 1: to maybe hold sixty percent of the mobs in the pack,
Speaker 1: and fighting for your life in doing so. When you
Speaker 1: sit there and watch the palette and who pressed one
Speaker 1: button and never lose his threat can be frustrating. How
Speaker 1: do you feel about it?
Speaker 6: No, No, that sounds like a good time to me.
Speaker 6: We go Yeah, No, I like a challenge, and I
Speaker 6: feel like, I I know, like it's not just a
Speaker 6: you don't just walk through everything, but PV in Wales
Speaker 6: and in Classic Wells like not the hardest. So you know,
Speaker 6: learning a three button DPS rotation doesn't really you know,
Speaker 6: ring my bell, so I'd rather do five five button
Speaker 6: sounds a right.
Speaker 1: No, I agree that the Pro Warrior is a fuck
Speaker 1: load of fun to play it like. It's a very
Speaker 1: engaging class. That's why I wanted to play it. The
Speaker 1: thing that steered me away is like, it's not it's
Speaker 1: not working hard that turns me off. It's not fucking
Speaker 1: smashing the APM. It's I would die if I was
Speaker 1: smashing the APM, doing everything right, playing as perfectly as
Speaker 1: I could play in a heroic five man as a
Speaker 1: Pro Warrior, and not being rewarded with blanket thread, which
Speaker 1: it seems like you are just going to constantly have
Speaker 1: two mobs running off doing whatever they want because you
Speaker 1: just can't spread the thread as much as you want.
Speaker 2: That sounds ships and if you go into into rating
Speaker 2: as well. It's like, I'm not saying that you necessarily
Speaker 2: will just for the like especially I think this is
Speaker 2: the most felt on Eldin. You'll you'll just die and
Speaker 2: you and everyone in your raid will know. But if
Speaker 2: you were a Faerl Bear tank, you wouldn't have died.
Speaker 1: Wells on that difference, can I just say, let's get
Speaker 1: I'm dying to get a bit nerdy, because you guys know,
Speaker 1: I haven't done the fight, so I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm talking about. I'm just relaying the commentary that I
Speaker 1: see on Reddit back to you. Now are costs. The
Speaker 1: overwhelming opinion that I've seen regarding prop Warriors on Ilidin
Speaker 1: is that, I look not overwhelming. That's probably not fair
Speaker 1: to say, but a lot of people go like, oh mate,
Speaker 1: fuck off. Prop Warrior is the best tank for Ilodin.
Speaker 1: Fucking I'd love to see that Paladin or the Druid
Speaker 1: on and she.
Speaker 10: That's that's pretty accurate actually, and maybe maybe like later phase,
Speaker 10: I mean, I know you could get to a point
Speaker 10: where drew solo tank and even fire resistant tank the ads,
Speaker 10: but early phase warriors.
Speaker 17: Are very good against shere, particularly because what is.
Speaker 1: It you hit that, you hit the block or the
Speaker 1: cool down on it or something, and a mitigates a
Speaker 1: bunch of it.
Speaker 17: Yeah, shield block that thirty second cool down if I
Speaker 17: remember incorrectly.
Speaker 2: While yeah, you could block every single year, but it's
Speaker 2: the time it's width shere that's kind of can't fuck
Speaker 2: the way. I guess my experience having a Warrior through
Speaker 2: most of TBC was just was not great.
Speaker 1: But sorry, go Galli, I was Gonnay.
Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure when he comes down it's a threat reset,
Speaker 10: which of course is like also one of the biggest issues.
Speaker 10: It's you know, it's I played Pro Warrior and I
Speaker 10: hated being that guy, that fucking boomer that was like,
Speaker 10: please give me three seconds. Like again, I'm not I
Speaker 10: I did Arena for the threat gear. I you know,
Speaker 10: I'm not a fucking potato half asleep at my keyboard,
Speaker 10: you know, but I was. There were times where was like, please,
Speaker 10: I just need a second to just grab arcos.
Speaker 1: Let me throw you off with this. I sorry, kick
Speaker 1: you off with this one. Sorry erdap is probably with
Speaker 1: you and against me on this one. And again, I'm
Speaker 1: fucking I don't know, I'm just saying what I read.
Speaker 1: But he goes prop Warrior stinks on Ilidin. No, that's
Speaker 1: not right. People want to burn the boss in phase three.
Speaker 1: Warrior has the worst thread of the three tanks. Pali's
Speaker 1: can easily reach the cap early in BT and that
Speaker 1: that's true. I have heard like I don't mean to
Speaker 1: shoot down the Paladin tank on Ilidin because apparently it's
Speaker 1: not that big of a deal to just get the
Speaker 1: gear that you need to be able to deal with
Speaker 1: sear as a Paladin tank. What do you what do
Speaker 1: you think of all of that arcos?
Speaker 2: Okay, so oral, every all of the three tanks and
Speaker 2: TPC can do all of the tanking jobs that need
Speaker 2: to do it in TBC, right, you just it's one
Speaker 2: of them, Like depending on which one you're playing or
Speaker 2: playing with, you just need to ask yourself a few
Speaker 2: different questions, right, And it's a good point with Ilden.
Speaker 2: Are you okay within the last phase where you want
Speaker 2: to burn the boss as fast as possible to avoid
Speaker 2: like just people dying from fucking blue fire or green
Speaker 2: fire or whatever red if you have a Warrior tank,
Speaker 2: you're just gonna have to tell everyone, like you take
Speaker 2: your hands off the keyboard when he lands for three,
Speaker 2: four or five seconds. Let the boss hit the tank
Speaker 2: a couple of times so that he has like rates
Speaker 2: and he can press his buttons and then you can
Speaker 2: start playing the game. That's just a just a not
Speaker 2: really a negotiable thing for a lot of groups, either
Speaker 2: because the players there just aren't smart enough to follow
Speaker 2: instructions and not touch their keyboard, or they just don't
Speaker 2: want to read. If you have a bear, he can
Speaker 2: and it depends on player, of course, but he can
Speaker 2: gear himself out of all of these issues. He can
Speaker 2: just have such a high health pull and so so
Speaker 2: good thoughts and defensives that he just doesn't have to
Speaker 2: have to think about any of these things. Like he
Speaker 2: just does the threat and he survives the damage. Right, Personally,
Speaker 2: I would always want to have a pair main tank
Speaker 2: and a Puddadent trust tank. But you also know that
Speaker 2: all the Puddadent tanks they want to be the main
Speaker 2: character in finally they have a tunt. They have very
Speaker 2: main character syndrome. They want to be the guy. But
Speaker 2: then like they don't have the threat that the bear has,
Speaker 2: but you know they can gear every which way.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good, very well said. Thank you for that.
Speaker 1: But yeah, look, I will stress something that Arcos mentioned there,
Speaker 1: like all the tanks can tank all the shit in TBC.
Speaker 1: It's just that some fights are particularly good for prop warriors.
Speaker 1: A lot may just be better for Bears and palis.
Speaker 1: But I get the impression that, like you know, I
Speaker 1: don't know, fifteen percent of the content in TBC in
Speaker 1: terms of raid bosses is actually quite ideal for a
Speaker 1: prop warrior, but the rest, yeah, not as much. So
Speaker 1: what do you think of that? When you hear that
Speaker 1: camp scene?
Speaker 6: No, that's all good. I mean again, I'm not like,
Speaker 6: you know, some of someone was saying, Josh, you're going
Speaker 6: to make it to BT, and you're like, I doubt it.
Speaker 6: I'm like, yeah, I doubt that too myself.
Speaker 1: I just want to well, I flipped on that when
Speaker 1: I was like, you know, did somebody say the word
Speaker 1: we're joking about the glaves. I've been talking a lot
Speaker 1: about glaves, but I'm half I'm half joking about it.
Speaker 1: I'm like, fuck that, I've got to make it to
Speaker 1: BT for those glaves.
Speaker 6: Baby, Yeah, you've taken the rogue killed leader position to
Speaker 6: get the cleaves.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but no, I mean, it's all good I'm not
Speaker 6: taking it that seriously. I wasn't even going to play TBC.
Speaker 6: I only want to play because to get ten percent
Speaker 6: of that experience of playing on Epoch because the boys
Speaker 6: have moved over.
Speaker 1: But yeah, well I said, the one thing that will
Speaker 1: keep me away from BT is lightning solid. If they
Speaker 1: drop it, that's it, that's it.
Speaker 6: I'll shift over immediately to that.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people would. Arcos has got
Speaker 1: to change pants already that we just mentioned it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a good question in Twitch though, with the
Speaker 2: post and avalanch cap help change the tank prayer. I
Speaker 2: think that's a good thought experiment because if the passes
Speaker 2: do less damage than the defensive part of the pink
Speaker 2: setups is probably irrelevant.
Speaker 1: Is that so dumb? Dumb again? Third dumb question post nerve.
Speaker 1: Does that mean less boss damage or just lower health pools?
Speaker 2: I don't remember. I don't remember, honestly, I just I
Speaker 2: don't remember it because once the nerves came and we
Speaker 2: stopped caring about the raids and we just afk our
Speaker 2: way through them.
Speaker 1: And well, I guess even lower health pulls would change
Speaker 1: the landscape if your tank doesn't have to stay up
Speaker 1: as long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like no, like with a lower helpful on the boss,
Speaker 2: you want to burn it faster so you can avoid
Speaker 2: more mechanics. So then just threat per second becomes keen
Speaker 2: in my opinion. Well, I don't remember. If the damage
Speaker 2: of the process was decreased. I think so, but yeah, honestly,
Speaker 2: just don't know.
Speaker 1: All right, Vestige, what are you playing and why are
Speaker 1: you excited about it?
Speaker 14: I'm leaving towards the Shadow Priest right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to be you want to be the
Speaker 1: guy everyone you just want to be loved.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's pretty much it. Nobody wants you there except
Speaker 9: when you're not there. Then they realize, oh shit, he
Speaker 9: actually brings a lot of man to the raid and
Speaker 9: we need him.
Speaker 2: But fuck is DPS.
Speaker 9: So that's pretty much where I planned to be. Yeah,
Speaker 9: Shout out Pretty is just very engaging rotation. It's just
Speaker 9: very fun to play.
Speaker 14: Yeah, that's kind of where I'm leaning towards right now.
Speaker 1: All right, Zada, Sorry, I don't know if you're there.
Speaker 1: We've had you sitting quietly in the corner this whole time. Mate,
Speaker 1: I love you, Do you know what you're playing for? TBC?
Speaker 1: He doesn't love me back. That's a right, he'll be afk.
Speaker 1: Who we got here? Parallax? Mate? How are you?
Speaker 11: I'm all right?
Speaker 1: How are you good? Do you know what you're playing for? TBC?
Speaker 11: No, I have no idea, although once the boost is out,
Speaker 11: if you can't use it on a paladin, I'm going
Speaker 11: to be bombed because I might invoke my jo Viajellini.
Speaker 1: Well they've already said, mate, unfortunately you cannot use it
Speaker 1: for a paladin.
Speaker 11: Well, maybe they'll change their mind.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like I feel like a lot of
Speaker 1: these decisions could be changed in the next couple of months,
Speaker 1: so we'll see.
Speaker 15: Real quick.
Speaker 1: I was going to lose a human paladin, true, Galli,
Speaker 1: what are we gonn saying?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 10: I was gonna bring that up earlier, and I didn't
Speaker 10: want to say the word like they set the precedent
Speaker 10: with MOP, because I understand it's a different game. But
Speaker 10: with MOP released, they allowed the boost of Panderan and
Speaker 10: monks and them not doing Chouman and Paladen is just
Speaker 10: a very again, weird thing to do.
Speaker 17: Yes, maybe they will walk.
Speaker 1: It back and and can you remind me how many
Speaker 1: people rioted because you could boost a monk in MOP?
Speaker 1: Gally boy, I have no idea. D zero zero was
Speaker 1: the number I believe because nobody gives a fuck anymore.
Speaker 10: Nobody fucking cares, especially with round two of TV. Yes,
Speaker 10: I understand that I could understand them being cautious on
Speaker 10: the first time, but we've done this before.
Speaker 1: Kills me anyway, what was I gonna say?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 17: Was class checking on people?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: Yes, there was something. Oh no, sorry, Parallel raised the
Speaker 1: boost point which we haven't talked about, which we should
Speaker 1: talk about. I made the joke about the low low
Speaker 1: price of seventy nine ninety nine for the fu USD
Speaker 1: for the boost before. This has been a really big
Speaker 1: talking point.
Speaker 3: Guys.
Speaker 1: Look, the boost, you'll have to remind me, was a
Speaker 1: very different price four years ago. I mean, we can
Speaker 1: talk about inflation and whatnot, but fuck me dead, they're
Speaker 1: really going forward this time around with the eighty dollars
Speaker 1: USD price tag. Is that correct?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 9: I think there are I think the planners are going
Speaker 9: to have just a boost by itself, but it's going
Speaker 9: to cheaper have that where we're that I've heard I've
Speaker 9: heard some data mining going on.
Speaker 1: Oh okay, well, yeah, to be fair, this hasn't been
Speaker 1: announced it's just been data mined, right or what? No,
Speaker 1: did they announce the analyogy and you can buy it
Speaker 1: right now?
Speaker 4: You can buy it on the shop. But I think
Speaker 4: what they're doing is like at the moment, you can
Speaker 4: get the super epic version, which is in Australian dollars
Speaker 4: like one hundred and thirty bucks or something, and that
Speaker 4: gets you fucking amount a toy, some pet, all the
Speaker 4: other bullshit and the Boost. So you're gonna you have
Speaker 4: to pay one hundred and thirty Australian to get the boots, yeah.
Speaker 1: Because because the other package, the cheaper package, does not
Speaker 1: include the Boost.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't have it. But I reckon that they're
Speaker 4: just putting this on the shop and then lo and
Speaker 4: behold come like January fucking fourth boom. You can buy
Speaker 4: the Boost just on its own, But they're not going
Speaker 4: to say that you can do that now because then
Speaker 4: you won't buy this one. Yeah yeah, yeah, And so
Speaker 4: I mean, and I'm really not that excited, nor can
Speaker 4: you use any of the things that they have on
Speaker 4: there right now, So like, I don't know why you'd
Speaker 4: rush to pay this extortion at price for this version. Yeah,
Speaker 4: So probably its singularly you're right.
Speaker 1: Can I just say again, I mean it is fucking
Speaker 1: outrageous in aud just for all Uassi's out there, one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty seven dollars and ninety five cents for
Speaker 1: the boost like that is. Look, I get I get
Speaker 1: that there's other shit. I shouldn't just say for the boost.
Speaker 1: I get that there's other things in the package.
Speaker 15: You know.
Speaker 1: It's just that's a very high That is literally the
Speaker 1: price of like a brand new top tier Triple A game. Like, like,
Speaker 1: it's even more. The COD costs one hundred and ten.
Speaker 1: COD costs one hundred and ten when it comes out.
Speaker 1: This is one hundred and thirty.
Speaker 4: That's like how much I paid to get like the
Speaker 4: fancy Pants Edition of Battlefield six coming out at the
Speaker 4: peak of its pre release hype, like pre order price. Yeah,
Speaker 4: like one hundred and thirty and you've got some shit
Speaker 4: with that.
Speaker 1: Granted it comes with thirty days of game time. Wow, thanks,
Speaker 1: But like that, this is.
Speaker 2: It gets so much in my opinion of mounts and toys.
Speaker 1: Who cares?
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, it gets two flying mounts, epic flying months.
Speaker 2: You get up ground mounts, and you get some pats
Speaker 2: and some toys and some horse storm shit that nobody
Speaker 2: cares about.
Speaker 1: Are those are those?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Are those epic flying mounts? I thought they were regular.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm assuming because it's another Drake that it's an
Speaker 2: epic moment.
Speaker 3: Also crossover to retail to you.
Speaker 1: Okay, if that, if that's an epic, If that's epic,
Speaker 1: that is a game changer. Like someone just said that,
Speaker 1: that does shift things a little bit.
Speaker 3: I think I'm assuming.
Speaker 10: Is a TVC where the mounts are still cheaper, but
Speaker 10: the training is the one that's expensive. I mean, that's
Speaker 10: still saves if.
Speaker 2: You do another Drake quest together for free. Right, that's my.
Speaker 4: Memory, remember.
Speaker 1: Basically, so it's like buying.
Speaker 17: It's like available until later, Right, another Drake.
Speaker 4: Quests getting an epic mount skin doesn't mean jack ship.
Speaker 4: It's the fucking writing costs.
Speaker 1: The cost, that's what That's what I'm saying. You're effectively
Speaker 1: buying five thousand gold, right.
Speaker 2: If you get the training with it, you're going to
Speaker 2: give you.
Speaker 4: You reckon, they won't, no fucking chance, they're not going
Speaker 4: to for fucking then. That's why I like, that's useless
Speaker 4: to you when the fuck you're gonna have five thousand
Speaker 4: gold to get epic flying. So it's actually it's more
Speaker 4: of a ripoff for you to buy this package.
Speaker 1: You know, don't get but that's what I'm trying to
Speaker 1: get to the bottom of. Is this a one hundred
Speaker 1: and thirty dollars by passing of the five thousand gold
Speaker 1: needed to get fight or not? So then if it
Speaker 1: doesn't give you the epic flying training skill, it is
Speaker 1: a massive ripoff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like the al right, sorry, the the economic
Speaker 4: warlords that are here, five k ain't fucking nothing in TBC. Like,
Speaker 4: that's the it's the most ball ache gold sink of
Speaker 4: the fucking expansion in my like from the average player,
Speaker 4: it's not actually easy to get five k gold epic flying.
Speaker 2: So you can just buy.
Speaker 15: Leapt for their epic mount back in the day.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so break down the cost of the pack, right,
Speaker 2: it's eighty dollars. Let's assume that it is an epic month.
Speaker 2: We don't know.
Speaker 1: No, let me let me just say, let me just
Speaker 1: say this, arcost Archos arlest let me just say this,
Speaker 1: Doctor pez in Twitch is saying, bundle mounts scale with
Speaker 1: the skill you have and always have has been that way.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, spread, Okay, if we assume that it's not epic.
Speaker 2: Then then you're paying like twenty dollars for flying month.
Speaker 2: What's that thousand thousand goods to fly?
Speaker 4: Right? Regati, you won't be able to do you won't
Speaker 4: be able to cast it if you don't have the
Speaker 4: writing skill.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, so yeah one once, that's right, So
Speaker 1: you have to you have to get a flying writing skill,
Speaker 1: and then you can use this thing, presumably, and it
Speaker 1: will just scale with I bought the one thousand regular
Speaker 1: you know writing that will go at that speed, and
Speaker 1: then once you're up by the five thousand you know
Speaker 1: writing then will upscale to that speed.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but it feels weird to a pack that has
Speaker 2: stuff in it that you can't use.
Speaker 10: Well, that's just you know consumer when like, well, so
Speaker 10: so what what what would likely happen is you could
Speaker 10: because I think they did this with Wrath. Well, you
Speaker 10: can use the flying mounts, but unless you have ground
Speaker 10: flying unlocked, it's a ground mount right right, right, so
Speaker 10: then you know you can you can walk around on
Speaker 10: your another drink, but then you need to hit whatever
Speaker 10: the fuck it is sixty eight to get flying, and
Speaker 10: then you get slow flying, and then it goes to
Speaker 10: sixty percent or one fifty and then when you pay
Speaker 10: the five thousand for the epic writing, then it goes faster.
Speaker 1: All the real gamers know the walking around on europic
Speaker 1: Mount is the way.
Speaker 4: To do it. Yeah. That just just to really confirm
Speaker 4: for everybody. TBC has these slow shit flying when it's
Speaker 4: not epic.
Speaker 18: It is horrendous.
Speaker 4: It feels like you're swimming in the air. It is
Speaker 4: not one fifty, it is sixty percent.
Speaker 7: It's fucking hope that they would change that, right, But
Speaker 7: they ain't changing it, are they.
Speaker 4: I still remember the disappointment of like getting it and
Speaker 4: then taking off from Shadow in Valley and going, oh no,
Speaker 4: I'd rather just go on off ground.
Speaker 8: You're running along on the ground faster and you take
Speaker 8: off like a brick wall. It's like, oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's still if we still break down the cost
Speaker 2: of this, I would I would expect a singular boost,
Speaker 2: like just one boost, to be around four dollars.
Speaker 7: It'll be eighty bucks, man, It's it's just eighty like
Speaker 7: it's eighty bucks like it was in mob it is
Speaker 7: in retail it's eighty bucks.
Speaker 1: You mean eight you mean eighty au.
Speaker 7: D whatever, sixty USD eighty a eighty AU So, yeah,
Speaker 7: sixty for boosts.
Speaker 8: That's the that's the price.
Speaker 2: If you take away the cost of this or like
Speaker 2: it's it's sixty sixty five dollars outside of the game.
Speaker 1: Time right to be again, to go full ogre c
Speaker 1: sweet guy. In all honesty, I want to talk to
Speaker 1: the businessman in this room. Would you release the boost
Speaker 1: standalone or would you just presume it will work out
Speaker 1: and you'll make more money if you just keep it
Speaker 1: to this package.
Speaker 2: I would give a stand alone, but only once you've
Speaker 2: bought the bundle first.
Speaker 1: That's you need to edit that out before they do it.
Speaker 14: You buy three boosts, you can do it on a
Speaker 14: blood oh six times.
Speaker 4: Yeah, if they're not going to cap it to one
Speaker 4: per account, I would only sell them in bundles of five,
Speaker 4: so you have to hard commit. And it costs like
Speaker 4: three hundred and sixty dollars to get five of them
Speaker 4: for a minor saving. So it's either you get five
Speaker 4: characters that you get none. That that would be my take.
Speaker 1: It's like buying hot cross funds. You've got to get
Speaker 1: the fucking old.
Speaker 4: You can never get one of them.
Speaker 2: It's it's a bad time for me.
Speaker 1: All right, man, thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Drops his.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, oh god, that's funny. But anyway, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, look, guys, I understand that you are getting
Speaker 1: something for your money, but like that that price is
Speaker 1: like Blizzard has been very well known for some time
Speaker 1: now for their ridonculously exorbitant digital prices. You know, I
Speaker 1: still I still laugh when I see the price of
Speaker 1: a name change and shit like that. But they charge
Speaker 1: it because they get away with it, and like I'm look,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like obviously a bunch of people are
Speaker 1: going to buy this boost that's fine. Fuck, I may
Speaker 1: even buy one. I don't know. I am leaning against it,
Speaker 1: like the price when I saw the price, so I've
Speaker 1: got the money. But when I saw the price, I
Speaker 1: really did like get the EG and go like like
Speaker 1: no thanks, I'll just level the character. Fuck.
Speaker 11: There is a there is a cap to it though,
Speaker 11: to where it's not worth the money, Like if they
Speaker 11: start getting really greedy one hundred dollars, then a lot
Speaker 11: of people wouldn't buy it. But the hours you save
Speaker 11: paying sixty dollars, I mean, dude, unless you're making like
Speaker 11: five bucks an hour like at your job.
Speaker 1: That's yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. I get that,
Speaker 1: but well, if I.
Speaker 14: Haven't been subscribed in five months, you know.
Speaker 1: I'm just like if I get if I get half
Speaker 1: a level a day for the next two months, I'm
Speaker 1: ready and I don't have to pay that money.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 11: See how if you really love leveling, then don't don't
Speaker 11: fucking buy it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a quote big les eighty bucks.
Speaker 7: Eighty bucks. That's slab, a piece of pack of Winni blues.
Speaker 7: It is gets some bitches over and the boys. Yeah,
Speaker 7: you know, so like fucking there's a million things I'd
Speaker 7: rather spend.
Speaker 4: That on a slab.
Speaker 8: A piece of a pack of Winni Blues is one
Speaker 8: of those fucking things. I can assure you that.
Speaker 4: I wonder if the steep increase in price is because
Speaker 4: they acknowledge the gold price and this is still a
Speaker 4: much cheaper option than For example, if you were to
Speaker 4: buy gold to get boost by those friendly majors, you
Speaker 4: would spend a lot more than what this boost cost is.
Speaker 4: And I I mean, maybe it's two tinfoil hat theory,
Speaker 4: but it's a bit of a coincidence that gold was
Speaker 4: a lot cheaper last time, so the boost was a
Speaker 4: lot cheaper, and now gold's fucking expensive compared to them,
Speaker 4: and now the best is more expensive too. It's almost
Speaker 4: like they're on the same sea.
Speaker 11: Saw always.
Speaker 15: There you go.
Speaker 11: Unfortunately, they will always have the excuse of just saying, well,
Speaker 11: it's to get your friends who haven't been playing, you know,
Speaker 11: cut up to everybody.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, all right, well boys, we'll have a bitch
Speaker 1: about that. We'll go back to the fun stuff. Who
Speaker 1: didn't I press on what they're playing? And why let
Speaker 1: me think, Campcy, you said you're playing a warrior. U
Speaker 1: he's playing a warrior. Voode's playing a priest because he's
Speaker 1: a fucking chad. Vestige is playing a priest. Who else
Speaker 1: we got here? We've got like likeno, mate, are you there?
Speaker 1: You've been quietly and politely sitting there in the corner.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 2: Mane?
Speaker 22: I'm doing great, mate, I'm going to be sticking with
Speaker 22: my warrior Mane. But this time around, I've got badge
Speaker 22: of the swarm Guard and thunder Fury.
Speaker 1: There you go. Look at it. Look at all these
Speaker 1: fucking warriors. Here we go all over again. It's happening.
Speaker 1: Very good, very good. Love your badge at the badge
Speaker 1: of the swarm Guard cast it. You're stuck to your mage.
Speaker 4: Right, Uh?
Speaker 3: Not really?
Speaker 4: I mean.
Speaker 23: I'm probably gonna end up just using my mage for
Speaker 23: I don't know, farming and whatnot.
Speaker 1: Oh well, sorry, we didn't talk about you won't be
Speaker 1: using it for boosting, will you? Because apparently there's anti
Speaker 1: boosting mechanics on the PTR.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 23: So yeah, so I'll probably end up using them for
Speaker 23: my farming. Most likely I'm going to end up going druid.
Speaker 1: So there you go.
Speaker 23: Boys, let me know if I'm going to go Resto
Speaker 23: or Boomy.
Speaker 1: So decisions, decisions. But boys, there's the next tangent to
Speaker 1: crawl down. Fucking what do you reckon? Blizzard old stepping
Speaker 1: up to the plate, And I mean we malign them
Speaker 1: for doing things like launching in January and being like
Speaker 1: so fucking anti listening to the players, but then they
Speaker 1: come along and go, you know what, fuck you no
Speaker 1: boosting in TBC, which is quite frankly, what I think
Speaker 1: is something that a lot of players have been asking for,
Speaker 1: like can we fuck all this boosting off?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 14: Because they're they're selling a solution to it. Yeah, of
Speaker 14: course they don't want it. It's not listening to the
Speaker 14: players at all. A fucking pocket book.
Speaker 1: You're very good.
Speaker 17: Also like a little late. I mean, they've done this
Speaker 17: at the point.
Speaker 14: Like they don't they don't care.
Speaker 1: True, it's true, Like.
Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure these changes were in some like they've
Speaker 10: done it in Vanilla before. Yet for Anniversary they're just like,
Speaker 10: fuck it, let it, let it run rampant until until well,
Speaker 10: we want to make the change and then look like
Speaker 10: the good guys.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they provide a way for you to just buy
Speaker 8: it up until such a time.
Speaker 7: They don't give a fuck. That's why their their intentions
Speaker 7: are not pure with this one. So like it just
Speaker 7: sullies the whole change. Right, I'm a mage. I can boost,
Speaker 7: I can do it well, and I'm happy to sacrifice
Speaker 7: that for the betterment of the game. But it's not
Speaker 7: for the betterment of the game betterment of share prices.
Speaker 15: Damn it.
Speaker 1: You're right. They could have done this month ago and
Speaker 1: they didn't. Fuck them.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm happy it's there, but it's just purely to
Speaker 9: sell I mean, you know, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 9: how much major boosting goes for, but transfer that to dollar.
Speaker 1: But again, this just comes back to this makes the
Speaker 1: other thing even more baffling. If we are going to
Speaker 1: be so openly just shop shop shop, which again I
Speaker 1: get it, like I'm not an anti capitals like I'm
Speaker 1: much you guys will know. I'm much more pro corporation
Speaker 1: than people realize, like people should be encouraged to. You know,
Speaker 1: we live in a capitalist society. Making money is you know,
Speaker 1: whether it's fortunate or unfortunately, part of the game. Go
Speaker 1: out and make your money, make as much money as
Speaker 1: you want. That's great to the extent, not to the
Speaker 1: extent that you become predatory though, is kind of the line.
Speaker 1: But what I'm saying is I'm not against Blizzard making
Speaker 1: money out of this game that they've built and cultivated
Speaker 1: or whatever. But like when everything is built to really
Speaker 1: shovel you towards that store, like then I get a
Speaker 1: bit more of the ick about it, like we say,
Speaker 1: And just like when you see something like you know,
Speaker 1: the the anti boosting, I don't know, I just fuck,
Speaker 1: I had a thought and I've lost it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, go here's one quick thing too.
Speaker 23: And this kind of goes back to you know the
Speaker 23: cost of the epic pack for you know, the Outland
Speaker 23: Epic pack, so you can a pair of the costs,
Speaker 23: it's eighty USD. But when you go to look at
Speaker 23: like mop and it's character boost, all the character boost
Speaker 23: itself is sixty. You get thirty days a game time,
Speaker 23: that's fifteen. So you're essentially spending an extra five bucks
Speaker 23: for a few extra gadgets and some mounths. It's not
Speaker 23: much of a difference if you really think about it.
Speaker 1: I am fuck. You know that when you have a
Speaker 1: really good point and you lose it mid fucking speech. God,
Speaker 1: I feel terrible now. I had a really good point there.
Speaker 1: I've just fucking lost it. No, no, no, I lost
Speaker 1: it while I was speaking. I'd literally like like fumbling
Speaker 1: as you're about to cross the fucking goal line.
Speaker 15: But it all pretend.
Speaker 9: It was enlightening and thrilling and completely changed the game
Speaker 9: on whatever conversation was about.
Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, thank you. Oh no, that's right.
Speaker 1: I was going to say, this makes the decision not
Speaker 1: to boost Paladin's and Shamans even stranger, because, like we said,
Speaker 1: you've now gone, okay, we're introducing anti boosting mechanics, and
Speaker 1: like you guys rightfully point out, well, that's just to
Speaker 1: sell more boosts. Well, if we all know the boost
Speaker 1: is the cash cow, it's literally the golden goose, and
Speaker 1: everything is being designed to funnel people towards clicking that
Speaker 1: button to boost your character. And to the point that
Speaker 1: you're now going to introduce anti boosting mechanics to fuck
Speaker 1: all the majors on the server and get rid of
Speaker 1: that part of the game and push people to boost
Speaker 1: via Blizzard, then that makes even it makes it even
Speaker 1: stranger that you can't just buy the boost for Palatin's Shamans.
Speaker 1: If the ultimate goal is we want infinite purchases of
Speaker 1: this one thing, why did you curtail that one big
Speaker 1: element of it. It's so weird.
Speaker 4: Yes, it's one of those decisions that kind of goes
Speaker 4: against like they're doing eight shady things that will point
Speaker 4: towards being the villain, and then they're doing this one
Speaker 4: thing that's like, no, no, no, we believe in the
Speaker 4: good of the game. That would be bad for the game,
Speaker 4: so we won't do it it. Kind of, I don't know,
Speaker 4: maybe it's just throwing us off off this sense like.
Speaker 9: I think they're gonna I think they're gonna offer a
Speaker 9: boost for uh blood elfin Drene, like three.
Speaker 1: Weeks after maybe maybe we shall see.
Speaker 14: It won't be at lunch, but it'll be quickly after lunch.
Speaker 14: We're going to offer it.
Speaker 1: Guys. Look, we'll just we're two and a half hours
Speaker 1: in now, we'll start to hit the you know, forty
Speaker 1: five to sixty minute long wind down. But let's just
Speaker 1: shoot the ship. I'll throw it out to you, guys.
Speaker 1: I've been dictating conversation right now, but I want you
Speaker 1: guys to talk about what you want to talk about
Speaker 1: with regards to TBC. You know, is there anything that
Speaker 1: that you're busting to bring up with regards to RAID
Speaker 1: content or what you look? What are you looking forward
Speaker 1: to playing? What are you not looking forward to playing?
Speaker 1: Are you apathetic about TBC? You're excited? What about your classes? Guys,
Speaker 1: let's let's do the pub thing. Who wants to kick
Speaker 1: us off? I've got a quick tangent for us, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go mate. So one of my favorite memories of playing
Speaker 1: on anniversary nights Layer was dicking around in Hills.
Speaker 22: Bred World PvP with you, Marcus in Voodoo.
Speaker 1: It was so much fun.
Speaker 22: I was hoping you could give us a little insight
Speaker 22: into why the re roar. Yeah, PvP over to PV.
Speaker 1: That that's a fair thing to bring up. And look,
Speaker 1: people are more than warranted as always to call me
Speaker 1: a piece of shit, as the Marcus and Ubiquitous and
Speaker 1: the boys will frequently do for completely justifiable reasons, because
Speaker 1: it's like a lot of people have said, and I'm
Speaker 1: in the same boat like Josh hang On. We played
Speaker 1: for six weeks on nights Layer, like a whole bunch
Speaker 1: of us, got like two or three tunes up to
Speaker 1: like level thirty or forty or whatever, and then we
Speaker 1: ditched Anniversary when we sort of decided we didn't want
Speaker 1: to do Vanilla one Excepter again. And now you come
Speaker 1: back to Anniversary and tried to pull all the Countdown
Speaker 1: people back onto it, but inexplicably you've changed servers. What
Speaker 1: fucking gives more than warranted to bring that up. At
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I'll just say the same
Speaker 1: thing that I've been saying to people in the disc
Speaker 1: which is just look, fortunately or unfortunately, I finally did
Speaker 1: reach the point of my life where I'm just like,
Speaker 1: it took me seven years, but I now understand PvP
Speaker 1: servers and I've decided that I'm not into it, and
Speaker 1: it fucking sucked to walk away. I had a level
Speaker 1: forty one warrior on a Nightslayer. I had a level
Speaker 1: thirty two Rogue. I had a level thirty three Warlock.
Speaker 1: Those are characters I would have loved to have just
Speaker 1: picked up and run with now that we're going back
Speaker 1: to Anniversary. But I was more than happy to abandon
Speaker 1: those uns because I'm just like, I'm fucking done with
Speaker 1: PvP and Jack's left us. But like Yak and sorry,
Speaker 1: I should. This is huge shout out as well, guys.
Speaker 1: I said Dreamsithe Hoard, and yes, the Countdown guild will
Speaker 1: be on dreamsythe Hoard. If for some reason you are
Speaker 1: still on Nightslayer and you happen to be Alliance, Yak
Speaker 1: is over there with some people too, so don't feel
Speaker 1: like you don't have options. Yaks, Yak and have tunes
Speaker 1: over there. They're fucking amazing guys. If you don't want
Speaker 1: to change servers and you really do have something set
Speaker 1: up over there, please link up with Yak and Green
Speaker 1: via the discord and they'll point you in the right direction.
Speaker 1: So huge shout out for their guild as well. I
Speaker 1: don't want to make people feel like, you know, just
Speaker 1: joint countdown or whatever. But like, in all honesty, Icono
Speaker 1: and a bunch of people will have something to say
Speaker 1: on this. But like I had to come to Jesus'
Speaker 1: moment regarding World PvP, where I was just like it
Speaker 1: dawned on me where I love World PvP, but I
Speaker 1: realized that all the people I was killing, ninety percent
Speaker 1: of them are not geared for PvP and are not
Speaker 1: spect for PvP. It is truly just wolves feeding on sheep.
Speaker 1: And I'm like it started to as this dawned on
Speaker 1: me more and more, I started to get less enjoyment
Speaker 1: out of it because, you know me, I like a
Speaker 1: good fight, and I'm just like, so like all these
Speaker 1: like I don't kill Lobi's, you know that. So like
Speaker 1: let's say TBC, for example, if I'm a level seventy
Speaker 1: running around killing level seventies, I'm not really I'm not
Speaker 1: really killing level seventies on an equal footing with me.
Speaker 1: I'm killing some cunt who's gone out to farm his leather,
Speaker 1: who's in his full PvE set, not even spect into
Speaker 1: his PvP build. And it's just like the odds are
Speaker 1: so heavily shifted in my favor, just from the outset,
Speaker 1: so the wind started to feel really cheap. Once I
Speaker 1: realized what was going on, and it took me a
Speaker 1: really really long time to realize that. Then the other
Speaker 1: side of the equation is yes, of course, I'm not
Speaker 1: going to make it sound like I'm the fucking big
Speaker 1: tough guy here. I also did get sick of just
Speaker 1: being the victim of two or three people just rolling
Speaker 1: through you on their way from point A to point B.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm out in the open. Here's literally a
Speaker 1: fight I cannot win, and these three guys running to
Speaker 1: their dungeon are going to steam roll me in one
Speaker 1: shot me because they're just bored, and why not. That's
Speaker 1: you know, hey man, PvP on a PvP server. Totally
Speaker 1: accept that, not saying it shouldn't be done, but it's
Speaker 1: just it feels shit. I do not enjoy fights where
Speaker 1: you do not have some semblance of a foot in
Speaker 1: the door in regards to you know, what could happen
Speaker 1: in that fight. I want as even though people say
Speaker 1: it's impossible, I want as close to a fifty to
Speaker 1: fifty or fuck, I'll take a seventy thirty chance to
Speaker 1: win that fight. I don't give a shit just make
Speaker 1: me feel like I can, you know, at least compete,
Speaker 1: which is why I'm so anti lobi stomping. But as
Speaker 1: as I became aware more and more that you know,
Speaker 1: eighty percent of the fights I'm getting in on PvP
Speaker 1: servers are not the kind of fights I'm looking for.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not that nerd that just likes to stomp.
Speaker 1: I don't get an erection over like, you know, just
Speaker 1: fucking picking the fight that's a ninety nine percent chance
Speaker 1: I'm gonna win, so that I'm bragging to my fucking
Speaker 1: dog about it. Look at that Rex, see me fucking
Speaker 1: teach that nerd fucking not to come round my neighborhood again.
Speaker 1: Like it's just lame. I hate that. The amount of
Speaker 1: Wow players I fucking hate is bizarre for a guy
Speaker 1: that runs a show about Wow. But you know, you're
Speaker 1: all cool obviously except for ubiquitous But like, you know,
Speaker 1: it's just I really have a growing disdain for the
Speaker 1: level of nerddom and weirdness that Wow players will take
Speaker 1: the game too. So that's that's basically it. I started
Speaker 1: to shy away from PvP servers, and I basically said,
Speaker 1: this time around, look for the first time ever. I'm
Speaker 1: going PvE. My body is ready. Fuck it. Call me
Speaker 1: a dad, call me an old man who can't handle it.
Speaker 1: I'll see you in arena. But just I'm just not
Speaker 1: doing it in the open world anymore.
Speaker 3: It's fairh that's fair.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
Speaker 22: Yeah, I guess the reason why I brought up that
Speaker 22: Hills Brad memory. Part of what made it so distinct
Speaker 22: is that we were intentionally fighting people five ten levels
Speaker 22: higher than us. But that's obviously not the normal.
Speaker 3: Do you know why?
Speaker 1: But do you know why we did that icono? Because
Speaker 1: we're fucking big with that and we're more than comfortable
Speaker 1: with the size of our penises.
Speaker 8: Yeah, Like, there's still there's still things we can do
Speaker 8: in the world that may.
Speaker 3: Lead to that.
Speaker 8: A trip to Iron Forge on a PvP server is
Speaker 8: just a trip to a PV server.
Speaker 3: Essentially, so.
Speaker 8: There'll be that if the guards aren't completely borked. But
Speaker 8: punching down is kind of boring.
Speaker 7: But all the fights that we generally had when we're
Speaker 7: playing as a group were the odds were stacked against us.
Speaker 7: And that's even the ones like when we started leveling
Speaker 7: in mop Josh, like it was six seven V two
Speaker 7: for a lot of those, and it's going to be
Speaker 7: a shame to lose those opportunities.
Speaker 3: I gain.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I really enjoyed those. Like I said, I said
Speaker 1: on the show that those first few days of MOP
Speaker 1: was some of the most fun I've had in Wow,
Speaker 1: with you and me rolling around just two V fiving people.
Speaker 8: Mm hmm. We can get that in battlegrounds anyway.
Speaker 3: It'll be fine.
Speaker 7: But and like I'd be lying if I said that
Speaker 7: I didn't get I wouldn't say annoyed, but like just
Speaker 7: bored of three dudes just walking up and kicking me
Speaker 7: in the nads and then moving.
Speaker 3: On like on board of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you pay people to do that in real life, Yeah,
Speaker 1: hypothetically as our costs would say.
Speaker 4: Exactly something that I've I'm finding super jarring, Like on
Speaker 4: the on a tangent to what you're talking about is
Speaker 4: coming back to anniversary and it's you are stuck in
Speaker 4: your own little server bubble, Like, holy fuck, my body
Speaker 4: is so ready for just cross realm like full region,
Speaker 4: like retail fucking call it fourteen separate servers, And personally,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't even give a fuck if they actually managed
Speaker 4: to make it a way of like your server is
Speaker 4: your server, and then just to go like if you
Speaker 4: invite people to your party, then you go to like
Speaker 4: a second phase of your server. So like, if you're
Speaker 4: just solo and you want to pick herbs, you're not
Speaker 4: competing with the entire region and there's not going to
Speaker 4: be like a guy from Gurubashi, a guy from Crossmore,
Speaker 4: and a guy from here or there on your server.
Speaker 4: It'll all just be dream size players. But then as
Speaker 4: soon as you party, now you're in the oh, we're
Speaker 4: happy to be cross realm people, and then you just
Speaker 4: start seeing people everywhere. But yeah, just the cross realm
Speaker 4: flexibility from like retail and shit, I feel like I
Speaker 4: kind of need that now because it's a bit of
Speaker 4: a saw, you know what. I mean to just go, oh,
Speaker 4: well we made our decisions a month ago before we
Speaker 4: became pals, and well you're on your island. I'm on
Speaker 4: my island.
Speaker 1: Just that's and but there you be clap back at
Speaker 1: the people who have just heard that all the errors
Speaker 1: or whatever that hear that, and go, oh here we
Speaker 1: fucking go old Josh and the countdown crew throwing away
Speaker 1: server identity and fucking you know that what sacrilege. How
Speaker 1: far we've come? Remember when this show used to be
Speaker 1: all about fucking the old school values mattering tell them why?
Speaker 1: Well my point to that is, like, again, it's the
Speaker 1: second time we're doing TBC in the last four years.
Speaker 1: How many times do I have to tap the sign
Speaker 1: that nobody gives a fuck about this shit anymore? This
Speaker 1: is a four fundsies no one cares server. What would
Speaker 1: you say, you be?
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I think it's an outdated take, but I mean,
Speaker 4: it wouldn't really bother me. It's very similar. The example
Speaker 4: I'm about to give is very similar to the should
Speaker 4: Blizzard give us an Australia's over again?
Speaker 1: And the answer is no answer, it will always be known.
Speaker 4: But there could be a world then where they go, Okay,
Speaker 4: this is the designated gigaserver, but then look, here's the
Speaker 4: malnourished lower left limb. This will be a no, you
Speaker 4: cannot play with anyone else server its own little island,
Speaker 4: and that server can have one k players at launch
Speaker 4: and quickly become five hundred, and then they can beg
Speaker 4: for a transfer off. But could you could have like
Speaker 4: a cross realm battlegroup designation and roll on any of
Speaker 4: these six servers, and all these six servers can play
Speaker 4: with each other whenever they want, and then there'll be
Speaker 4: a separate server that's a lonely boy, and you can
Speaker 4: go and play on that if you love server identity.
Speaker 4: And I already know it's going to happen. I'd bet
Speaker 4: the house on it that that server would eat shit
Speaker 4: within like six months, because most people would as always
Speaker 4: just go with the majority, even if they're a neutral.
Speaker 4: So I don't know, I'm just I kind of I
Speaker 4: miss a lot of the flexibility, and like Epoch didn't
Speaker 4: have that because it was a single server, but it
Speaker 4: kind of it warned me up to just like it
Speaker 4: being a global server made it feel like a battlegroup,
Speaker 4: if you know what I mean, like a battle group
Speaker 4: server or a cluster of servers.
Speaker 1: So I still regret. I still regret going into bat
Speaker 1: for the creation of Maladath. And look, this is not
Speaker 1: This is not to say I am not anywhere near
Speaker 1: arrogant enough to believe that Blizzard does anything because I
Speaker 1: ask for it. They do not. Blizz It doesn't give
Speaker 1: a fuck what I think about anything. I can fucking
Speaker 1: guarantee you that, But I do regret being hit up
Speaker 1: by people prior to Anniversary Ossie's getting in my DMS,
Speaker 1: going mate, can you please just ask them to do
Speaker 1: an OCEE server and me kind of rolling my eyes
Speaker 1: despite up to that point on the show, I've been
Speaker 1: very anti oce service, saying don't do it, don't do it.
Speaker 1: People hit me up and said, mate, just just ask them, like,
Speaker 1: what is the fucking matter? Just asked them to do it,
Speaker 1: and I threw it out on I'm off Twitter now's
Speaker 1: leaded my account, but at the time I jumped on
Speaker 1: Twitter and I added, you know the server guy, so
Speaker 1: I have forgotten his name momentarily you guys El tom Ellis,
Speaker 1: tom Ellis. I hit him up and said, mate, look,
Speaker 1: even though I'm not interested, a lot of Ossies do
Speaker 1: want to know ce server, would you consider doing it?
Speaker 1: And he replied and said, yep, we'll do it. And
Speaker 1: I'm not saying they did that because of me. They
Speaker 1: would not have done that just because I asked. But like,
Speaker 1: I still regret getting involved in that because I just
Speaker 1: think it's a fucking abortion and I know there's a
Speaker 1: lot of angry Aussies who play on Maladath right now
Speaker 1: telling me to go fuck myself. But that's just how
Speaker 1: I feel. But anyway, not to sort of get into
Speaker 1: that whole can of worms. Yeah, what was I going
Speaker 1: to say?
Speaker 4: I'm just I mean, I'm someone shut me down if
Speaker 4: you don't want to hear the ramble. But I'm the
Speaker 4: main thing for me from this TBC TBC shit and
Speaker 4: just the changes that they made is it is just
Speaker 4: another few pebbles for my T plus uh copium that
Speaker 4: I've got going because it kind of feels like, you know,
Speaker 4: even just the edit mode, it's kind of proof that, like,
Speaker 4: you know, something's got to be going on in development
Speaker 4: for some reason. So this is kind of like once
Speaker 4: we get that in this version of the game, it's
Speaker 4: kind of like a beta test for it to run
Speaker 4: and be all perfected before you get like another Classic.
Speaker 4: But we're also just starting to see the first groupe
Speaker 4: of Classic moving to the what was then the Dragonfly
Speaker 4: client by getting this kind of stuff, and also like
Speaker 4: how fucking long it took for it to arrive.
Speaker 1: We've been been on the dragons have we been on
Speaker 1: the Dragonfly client for a while?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like I'm pretty sure it was mid raft that
Speaker 4: we got moved to this. So it's taken that long,
Speaker 4: and like I don't know if it's just because like
Speaker 4: whether the game got poured across, but like, you know,
Speaker 4: you still have to link up all the wires for
Speaker 4: it to run properly, or like, is adding anything to
Speaker 4: this still a huge clusterfuck or whatever the deal is.
Speaker 4: But I am surprised that took that long. Like, as
Speaker 4: soon as I saw a whisper of it going to retail,
Speaker 4: I'm like, sweet, delete all my fucking UI ad ons.
Speaker 4: Just go back to default and edit it how I won.
Speaker 4: I'm surprised it took this long, but I'm glad that
Speaker 4: it's he and it does look.
Speaker 23: Like the one big thing that you know, it comes
Speaker 23: to mind, you know, being a programmer myself is Yes,
Speaker 23: the coding is technically the same, but like it was stated,
Speaker 23: I think earlier in the week or last week, somebody
Speaker 23: was trying to figure out why Wild Classic was running
Speaker 23: uh harder on their PC than retail was well, it's
Speaker 23: because it's outdated code, and to port this over to
Speaker 23: a more updated code is quite a bit of h.
Speaker 3: It's just it's, yes, it is. It's a lot.
Speaker 23: I ran MUDs for a number of years and I've
Speaker 23: still I'm still in the process of courting my the
Speaker 23: C plus plus program over to Python, and I had
Speaker 23: that shut down three years ago, roughly the last time
Speaker 23: I actually had any players on my game, and I'm
Speaker 23: still trying to upgrade it.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 23: With AI, it's different, you know. I actually found that
Speaker 23: it's quite a bit easier with AI.
Speaker 4: But it's just.
Speaker 23: It's primarily the network back end that is that that's
Speaker 23: quite a bit tougher to negotiate with with the technology
Speaker 23: and new servers. But I mean, give it some time.
Speaker 23: I honestly think that if we get to a Wrath
Speaker 23: anniversary edition, we're probably going to see some more stuff
Speaker 23: that you're going to see on retail, like possibly the
Speaker 23: one button rotation, you know, easy things like that, at
Speaker 23: the banning of certain add ons and everything like that,
Speaker 23: because Blizzard wants to initially incorporate all that into its
Speaker 23: games anyway, because they did reach out to those developers
Speaker 23: you know for these add ons and said, you know,
Speaker 23: how'd you do this?
Speaker 4: So yeah, it'll be interesting to see if we get there.
Speaker 4: I think they're coming out with like their own damage
Speaker 4: meter and shit in Midnight or whatever the fuck it was.
Speaker 23: A damage meter, the one button rotation, they're redoing their
Speaker 23: UI add on again, and there's there's most their own dBm,
Speaker 23: their own week ores type thing. Also, uh, there's gonna
Speaker 23: be a lot of stuff that's actually that's going to
Speaker 23: be banned as far as week wors goes too.
Speaker 4: Yeah, would you guys take all that in, like, say,
Speaker 4: C plus, would you let them in terms of the
Speaker 4: interface retail the fuck up or you reckon? Everyone would
Speaker 4: have a big old fucking soul saying no, I still
Speaker 4: extract manually into my add ons folder. Fuck you. I
Speaker 4: don't even like Curseforge.
Speaker 17: If it doesn't suck.
Speaker 4: True. I feel I feel as though we like that's
Speaker 4: one of the it's one of the funniest things about
Speaker 4: classic players. It's like, no, no, no, don't don't do anything,
Speaker 4: and then here we are we weak or this fucking
Speaker 4: game into C plus if we could, like we would,
Speaker 4: we would just weak or on week or on week
Speaker 4: or until it looks nothing like what it did before. Anyway,
Speaker 4: So like, I'm kind of on board for them doing
Speaker 4: that stuff because it won't actually change how the game
Speaker 4: plays if I don't have to install details, so.
Speaker 15: It might improve the game even and it even performance wise,
Speaker 15: it might be even way, way better than it is now.
Speaker 23: Yeah, dude, add ons, add ons eat up so many resources,
Speaker 23: it's unreal. I mean, it's if you just go back
Speaker 23: to a bone Stock game and don't load up any
Speaker 23: add ons whatsoever, you see a significant difference.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah. If I if I roll full default and
Speaker 4: like I hit enter on the character screen, like I
Speaker 4: just appear if being thrill as soon as you install
Speaker 4: like three out ons that you actually see it for
Speaker 4: like a second, and then every add on you add
Speaker 4: adds a fucking second to the load screen.
Speaker 1: It's crazy, Marcus, You'll get a laugh out of this.
Speaker 1: So I was having a giggle at a fucking old
Speaker 1: Swan's shown his face as soon as I started joking
Speaker 1: about killing servers, and he goes, you know, with one
Speaker 1: hand he ruins servers and with the other he gives
Speaker 1: them life.
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, just to ruin them later.
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly what I was getting at before, though, is
Speaker 1: just to bring it back to the point you were
Speaker 1: making ubiquitous about the you know, vibrant life of a
Speaker 1: server with fewer and fewer boundaries. You know, next episode,
Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Epoch and the things
Speaker 1: that Epoch did right, the lot of us are going
Speaker 1: to miss that we would advocate for in a classic plus.
Speaker 1: But you know, one of them was like, like, we're
Speaker 1: saying all these points about tearing down boundaries to players
Speaker 1: playing together, and one that was deemed controversial on paper
Speaker 1: but in my opinion, worked incredibly well in practice. And
Speaker 1: I'm going to get really, really, really animated and toxic
Speaker 1: about this point. Is the Howden Alliance being able to
Speaker 1: party up together within the context perhaps of a PPE server,
Speaker 1: So like Epoch, you know you could, and like, it's
Speaker 1: funny because I didn't tell this story yet. We're coming
Speaker 1: towards the end of the podcast, so I think it's
Speaker 1: probably safer safer to tell this story now where only
Speaker 1: the true die Hard Countdown listeners will be hearing the
Speaker 1: back end of the three hour podcast, as opposed to
Speaker 1: people that might just tune in for the first half
Speaker 1: an hour or so. But not that it's like, you know,
Speaker 1: fucking bad of me to say or anything, But I
Speaker 1: haven't wanted to make a big deal out of it
Speaker 1: to sort of protect him a little bit. But you know,
Speaker 1: Tim jumped in with us on TBC anniversary, and you know,
Speaker 1: he asked what server we were on, and you know
Speaker 1: where he would roll a character to find us, and he,
Speaker 1: you know, rolled up a Warrior sorry Warrior Hunter and
Speaker 1: got it to level sixteen, and you know, he might
Speaker 1: not ever touch the character again, but he dicked around
Speaker 1: with us for a couple of days there last week
Speaker 1: on TBC Anniversary, and it's always fun to fucking see
Speaker 1: him pop up. And at one stage we were chatting
Speaker 1: away in gild Chat and easy. I think it might
Speaker 1: have been you and me talking about the shared quest
Speaker 1: items on Epoch and we said, God, God, we missed
Speaker 1: those shared quest items. Like that was so good, just
Speaker 1: being able to party with anyone, like, you know, your
Speaker 1: parties flying left, right and center, and the fact that
Speaker 1: you could party with the Hoarde or the Alliance and
Speaker 1: just everyone's grouping up and getting the most out of
Speaker 1: these quests. It was fucking social heaven. And Tim, who
Speaker 1: normally like reasonably quiet, piped up and goes like, oh,
Speaker 1: tell me more about this. What are you guys talking about?
Speaker 1: And we said, oh, well, you know, yeah, if you
Speaker 1: didn't know, Epoch basically made it so that all quest
Speaker 1: items were shared on a mob's body, so everyone in
Speaker 1: the group could pick up the thing, so you didn't
Speaker 1: have to kill fifty thousand of the mobs, so everyone
Speaker 1: finished the quest at the same time. And also, you know,
Speaker 1: they had hoard an alliance you know, grouping, so that
Speaker 1: everyone was really just grouping with everyone getting their shit done.
Speaker 1: And it went down really, really well, and everyone was
Speaker 1: super stoked on it. Despite maybe some initial pessimism, it
Speaker 1: just worked on in might not work on paper, but
Speaker 1: it fucking worked in theory. And Tim you know, had
Speaker 1: a question or two going, oh, that's really good, and
Speaker 1: he you know, said something that resonated with me, which
Speaker 1: and I do believe the classic team has long sort
Speaker 1: of had this belief that you know, more question sorry
Speaker 1: more grouping is always good for the game no matter what.
Speaker 1: So whether or not that resonated with Tim, time will tell.
Speaker 1: But do you remember that moment easy that I'm talking about.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 5: Blizzard's pretty famous for taking other people's ideas and kind
Speaker 5: of perfecting them.
Speaker 3: So my hope is is that they look at something
Speaker 3: like Epoch and they don't.
Speaker 5: I don't know if it would be like pride or
Speaker 5: resentment or what right like, because there was a private
Speaker 5: server and it pulled people away, and no matter how
Speaker 5: you want to spend it, private servers are taking what
Speaker 5: Blizzard made and you see it for their own financial gain.
Speaker 3: I was a big fan of Epoch, so I'm not
Speaker 3: talking shit, but I do remember that.
Speaker 5: And then the rest of the Guild we just listed
Speaker 5: out like another ten to fifteen things that we enjoyed
Speaker 5: about Epoch, and Tim didn't respond to anything further. But
Speaker 5: it was really nice having him in the Guild and
Speaker 5: having this like glimmer of hope that maybe somehow we
Speaker 5: could present these changes in a way that would make
Speaker 5: them appealing or approachable for Tim and kind of the
Speaker 5: people who are in charge of making that Classic Plus program.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of good in Epoch.
Speaker 18: There were just so many things like shared quest items
Speaker 18: was huge, but it was cast.
Speaker 5: It was talking about it, and he'll tell you right
Speaker 5: now I think he misses the most is that when
Speaker 5: you kill a mob who.
Speaker 3: Has a summoned pet, the pet dies.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean he was saying that in guild over it.
Speaker 1: It felt so good. I felt so good.
Speaker 23: Yes, there's nothing worse than fucking killing anything. And then
Speaker 23: there is just like one shot bamp dead, Like no,
Speaker 23: I killed your owner, why are you still here?
Speaker 1: What was I going to say? So back to the
Speaker 1: Warde Alliance thing, like, well, we'll go harder on this
Speaker 1: in the next episode, so I don't want to blow
Speaker 1: my ward too soon. But just like you know, a
Speaker 1: lot of people will vomit hearing this, and and just
Speaker 1: to preview what I'm going to say next next episode,
Speaker 1: you know, I really do, unfortunately have a really angry
Speaker 1: line in the sand where I just say, if you
Speaker 1: didn't play Epoch, I don't want to hear from you.
Speaker 1: Because yes, there might have been some early skepticism or
Speaker 1: pessimism regarding Hoardon Alliance being able to group together on
Speaker 1: a PP server, But I'm sorry to tell you this,
Speaker 1: it fucking worked really well, and much to your dismay,
Speaker 1: everybody loved it. It was so warmly welcomed and it
Speaker 1: just fucking works. And guess, like we keep saying, guess what,
Speaker 1: nobody fucking cared, nobody cared.
Speaker 3: Felt really good.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I've probably fell into the didn't really
Speaker 8: care camp. Either way, it goes with that, there's benefits.
Speaker 4: I remember us talking about it on our Epoch episode,
Speaker 4: and I think if they go down the same path,
Speaker 4: it will absolutely kill the PvP realm population domination that
Speaker 4: it's had, Like it'll just overnight, PV servers will become
Speaker 4: the twenty.
Speaker 1: K player completely completely.
Speaker 4: VP servers will be like the four k edgy gamers
Speaker 4: that are what a coincidence they also like to fucking
Speaker 4: slurs in chat and they can just be their own
Speaker 4: little cesspool again and the rest of us can go
Speaker 4: be like happy Wow players.
Speaker 1: It would flip it on its head and PVEE would
Speaker 1: become the preference. I fucking guarantee you one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's there's there's a very sizable chunk of players
Speaker 4: that don't care for PvP, but you just know that,
Speaker 4: like it will always be the healthier server even now,
Speaker 4: like there's not even the reason for it. It's literally
Speaker 4: just habit. At this point, you just go, n it's
Speaker 4: the safer bet. It's been like, you know, you're playing roulette.
Speaker 4: It's been black seventy four times in a row. Let's
Speaker 4: just keep betting black. And that's what rolling on a
Speaker 4: PvP servers like. So you need to actually change something
Speaker 4: that will make people consciously review their decision again, and
Speaker 4: like PvP servers, you can't change jack shit about them.
Speaker 4: You can't give servers cross realm or anything, oh sorry,
Speaker 4: cross faction or something that would just ruin the entire
Speaker 4: like theme of the server. But PvE is already like
Speaker 4: the fact that I go to Hills Brad and me
Speaker 4: and a human can't kill each other. It kind of
Speaker 4: dwindles it down and makes it less jarring anyway. That
Speaker 4: well as well be able to fucking group of them
Speaker 4: then who cares?
Speaker 3: Now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it would flip it on its.
Speaker 1: Head, ub. I'm happy to be guided by your judgment
Speaker 1: on this one. Not that it's a big deal. It
Speaker 1: doesn't really matter. But I thought, do you think it's
Speaker 1: more fun if we keep the Tim RFC run story
Speaker 1: just between sort of the people that were there? Or
Speaker 1: should I share it.
Speaker 15: For a laugh?
Speaker 3: That's such a good story, man, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't want to upset Tim. Do you think it's
Speaker 1: fun if I tell it or if I sit on it?
Speaker 4: I think we saw a hard working employee just testing
Speaker 4: the game's engine out and making sure everything's working. Fine.
Speaker 1: Agree, I wouldn't want to tell the story and have
Speaker 1: fucking loser nerds give them an excuse to be like, oh,
Speaker 1: fucking typical Blizzard. You know what I mean, what do
Speaker 1: you reckon?
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think. I don't think
Speaker 4: give the wolves any food. We can just have a
Speaker 4: laugh about it for eternity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we wonder what the hell it is. We'll keep
Speaker 1: that one internal, all right, too easy.
Speaker 4: Until he's returned, and then we'll have a cackle about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, so yeah, we we had that.
Speaker 1: It was so fun, like just being able to do
Speaker 1: a dungeon with Tim anyway, that that's as far as
Speaker 1: I'll take the story for you guys on the show.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's it's one of those things that you
Speaker 1: know that they're obviously they're obviously making changes. They're obviously
Speaker 1: trying to get TBC Anniversary to be a little bit
Speaker 1: different this time around. Some of those changes might be fine.
Speaker 1: It might be financial. Some might be for the betterment
Speaker 1: of the game, like you know, hopefully the Terror Cone
Speaker 1: additions and whatnot. But we shall see what TBC twenty
Speaker 1: twenty six has on TBC twenty twenty one. But look, guys,
Speaker 1: like I said, I can't stress this enough. How do
Speaker 1: I explain this? Don't think I'm like not excited, but
Speaker 1: I'm not like busting at the seams to play TBC.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm not going to play it and
Speaker 1: have fun with you. I will play it. I'll play
Speaker 1: a bunch of it because I have nothing else to play,
Speaker 1: but stress on the because I have nothing else to play.
Speaker 1: It really is just Classic plus waiting room. But while
Speaker 1: we're while we're dealing with that, don't think it's apathetic.
Speaker 1: And guys, I really do encourage you. Please, everyone here
Speaker 1: listening to you know, like I said, you guys here
Speaker 1: at the three hour markt the true chads of the
Speaker 1: Countdown to Classic community. You are the real fans. You're
Speaker 1: the exact fucking people that we want to play with.
Speaker 1: Countdown has a reputation for being fucking awesome, mature, fun people.
Speaker 1: We've now, you know, fuck easy. How much drama have
Speaker 1: we had to deal with in like, you know, someone
Speaker 1: saying something they shouldn't have said in guilt chat or whatever.
Speaker 1: Literally zero, right, not a single time, not a single
Speaker 1: fucking time. Oh yeah, voodo his lick in his lips. Now, really, well,
Speaker 1: you have to hand this up.
Speaker 5: We've had a few people that really show up yet,
Speaker 5: and they're showing up now, So we'll see you in
Speaker 5: the d's head.
Speaker 3: But so far it's been amazing.
Speaker 1: Everyone is a fucking delight within this community, or the
Speaker 1: exact kind of people I want to play this game with.
Speaker 1: You are the opposite of the people that I slag
Speaker 1: on this show when I say there's so many wow
Speaker 1: fuck WIT's out there who do all the things you
Speaker 1: shouldn't do within the game. You are not those people. Please,
Speaker 1: if look, well I've said this much to people, if
Speaker 1: you want to wait for the boosts, I know we've
Speaker 1: just slagged the price of the boost and everything, but
Speaker 1: I very much so understand that a lot of people
Speaker 1: are going to pay the price, and that's totally fine.
Speaker 1: If you want to wait for the boost, wait for
Speaker 1: the boost. I presume a lot of you are, And
Speaker 1: I've said to people, look, the guild's got about, oh,
Speaker 1: I don't know, fifty five sixty five people in it
Speaker 1: right now. I have no doubt that's going to double
Speaker 1: or triple once the fucking pre patch comes. A lot
Speaker 1: of people will be sitting down and waiting for the boost.
Speaker 1: That's totally fine. But if you're boared shitless and you've
Speaker 1: got nothing to do over the next two months, come
Speaker 1: and we are very much so dicking around as easy
Speaker 1: and I keep saying, fuck, we don't even know if
Speaker 1: we're going to be playing the tunes that we're currently
Speaker 1: playing on. We're just in like just fucking around mode.
Speaker 1: Please come and play with us. There's you know a
Speaker 1: good number of people that have fifteen people online at
Speaker 1: you know, peak hours. Come and roll with us. Get
Speaker 1: what you're wanting to play, maybe going. We would love
Speaker 1: some tanks and healers as per always. We're a little
Speaker 1: bit short right now, but I have no doubt, like
Speaker 1: I said, once pre Patch rolls around, we're going to
Speaker 1: be swimming in fucking everything, I would think. But look,
Speaker 1: we want to somewhat replicate what we had with Epoch.
Speaker 1: I don't think we'll get as many as we did
Speaker 1: with Epoch because obviously we'll lose most of the Europeans.
Speaker 1: If you're a European, we'd still love to have you,
Speaker 1: but keep in mind obviously the rad times could be
Speaker 1: problematic for you. You'd have to stay up, well, they'd
Speaker 1: have to. Europeans would have to stay up till like
Speaker 1: you know, one am there time to finish the raid
Speaker 1: or whatever. But anyway, yeah, look I'll float the idea. Now, look,
Speaker 1: depend I think we'll get a lot of people. I
Speaker 1: would think we'll have more than one raid team for sure.
Speaker 1: One raid team. The raid team I'll be in will
Speaker 1: be rating on Friday nights, North American time. If that
Speaker 1: scares the shit out of you, don't roll with us.
Speaker 1: That's fine. But also don't be perturbed by that, because
Speaker 1: because we're content creators, you know, fucking bullshit guilds, and
Speaker 1: I can spread the word of this guild to thousands
Speaker 1: of people. We're going to have a lot of people
Speaker 1: in the guild and there will more than likely be
Speaker 1: more than twenty five raiders. So if you Friday nights
Speaker 1: don't work for you, don't be scared away because I
Speaker 1: got to virtually guarantee you there'll be a second rate
Speaker 1: team going at a different time. Easy checkon. That's fair
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 19: Yeah, Yield's growing well during some pretty lean times. And wow,
Speaker 19: so like you said before, a prepatch is really going
Speaker 19: to bring people out as worth ten and a lot
Speaker 19: of people are content. We just experiencing five and ten
Speaker 19: man content anyway. So yeah, I can definitely see multiple
Speaker 19: read teams going on different nights.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So look, We will figure it out. We'll you know,
Speaker 1: break people up into what their vibe is. Where there's
Speaker 1: one team wants to go a little bit harder, one
Speaker 1: team wants to go a be casual. I don't really care,
Speaker 1: but look, we're not gonna you guys know what the
Speaker 1: countdown vibe is. We're not really pass lords. We kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, move in another direction. If you are a
Speaker 1: sweaty player and there's nothing wrong with you, who really
Speaker 1: really cares about your passes, then then just hang out
Speaker 1: with us in discord. The guild probably won't be for you.
Speaker 4: Unless you want to speed run. Send your applications with
Speaker 4: a photo if you're holding a spoon to arcrosst gmail
Speaker 4: dot com.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, exactly. But yeah, Friday nights. We do Friday
Speaker 1: nights because it works well for the you know, relatively
Speaker 1: decent number of OCE players that we have, you know,
Speaker 1: Ubi Voodoo, you know Campsy, Marcus and I We're all
Speaker 1: OCE players. It's it's basically like it would probably be
Speaker 1: closer to like a lunchtime raid for us, like an
Speaker 1: eleven am twelve pm raid start on a Saturday, which
Speaker 1: is totally fine by us. So yeah, yeah, so something
Speaker 1: to look forward to there, so guys, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: exactly start to get excited. But yeah yeah, and you
Speaker 1: be sorry, mate, you didn't get the guild lead this
Speaker 1: time after we saw what you did with it last time.
Speaker 4: I'm very hey that guild's still alive, and I would say,
Speaker 4: my baby got murdered by greater powers than I. There
Speaker 4: you go, but I'm happy to be a peasant this time.
Speaker 4: No responsibilities, just slammer the jam hate the officers that
Speaker 4: you did, like you're seriously, I don't know if people
Speaker 4: take pity because I'm trying to level a warrior, but
Speaker 4: every time I log on, there's a gift in my mailbox,
Speaker 4: so I appreciate that.
Speaker 1: That's that's easy to everyone.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well there's who's like, well, maybe are they all easies? Alts?
Speaker 4: There's been like probably mean fucking gene.
Speaker 14: D I should you not?
Speaker 1: I should you not? There's seventy five people in the guild.
Speaker 1: Ten of them are easy terms.
Speaker 18: You like exists on the server before they guilded.
Speaker 14: Come on, now a minute, he says, you have a
Speaker 14: second raid group.
Speaker 1: I'll just be just his y.
Speaker 15: Yeah, told me.
Speaker 4: I second your your plead to people. If you want
Speaker 4: to come level like I I'm leveling the Warrior that fully,
Speaker 4: it's like expecting myself to only get it to like
Speaker 4: thirty and then just use the boost on it. Anyway.
Speaker 4: But if you like that, you know, if you want
Speaker 4: to do the first chunk of levels that do like
Speaker 4: r f C and whaling cabins and stuff with everyone,
Speaker 4: it's still pretty fun. Speaking of which, we've got to
Speaker 4: te up the r f C.
Speaker 2: We'll do it.
Speaker 3: We'll do it.
Speaker 1: We'll do it straight after this. I'm gonna literally end
Speaker 1: this in the next five minutes. So guys, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: can't stress enough. Don't don't be scared off, Like it's
Speaker 1: not like you can't you know, upload your logs and
Speaker 1: you know, we'll record the logs and upload them and
Speaker 1: fucking check your logs for improvement and all that shit.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not anti logs, but I am very
Speaker 1: anti people who make their their past numbers their their lives.
Speaker 1: And I won't allow people to bring that vibe to
Speaker 1: the guild. I really want to fuck that off. I
Speaker 1: don't want people fucking you know, we talked in discord
Speaker 1: about someone in the guild losing their shit because there
Speaker 1: was a wipe and they lost their buffs, like, none
Speaker 1: of that will be in the Countdown guild. I can
Speaker 1: fucking assure you, Marcus. You were saying, who's going to
Speaker 1: be the canary in the coal mine for what?
Speaker 8: Well, no, the canary m countdown is So who's actually
Speaker 8: in control of the guild?
Speaker 12: No, no, no, no, no no.
Speaker 1: So I think I think what we'll do is whether
Speaker 1: and we haven't had a chat about this, but I
Speaker 1: am I am the guild master. But I've said on
Speaker 1: the show multiple times in the past I should never
Speaker 1: be allowed anywhere near the fucking lead of a guild
Speaker 1: because I literally have no idea what I'm doing. I
Speaker 1: think that the shadow, that the person in the shadows
Speaker 1: pulling all the fucking puppet strings is easy.
Speaker 3: Very good. It's you man.
Speaker 18: Let's tell you, I'm not even remotely interested.
Speaker 3: None of us will go well, promote you be now,
Speaker 3: just promote them.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll do what could go wrong leadership to No,
Speaker 1: we'll just have the Council of twelve. It's fine.
Speaker 7: I did it first time around, and due to a
Speaker 7: due to a lack of shamans, it was ship that
Speaker 7: was so hard to find on Alliance Look.
Speaker 1: We'll figure out all the details later later, But like
Speaker 1: I said, I don't want to do, it's not going.
Speaker 4: To be hard to fully I successfully ran a global guild,
Speaker 4: thank you very much. A right that's gone on the resume,
Speaker 4: international corporation with multi multiple languages and people will vomit.
Speaker 1: But like outside of gearing the tank, I'm also like
Speaker 1: someone who doesn't care about running SR guilds. But I
Speaker 1: know a lot of people feel funny about that. But
Speaker 1: we'll see what happens.
Speaker 9: That going to be your job application, UV, where you
Speaker 9: said you ran a multi world organization.
Speaker 4: Or four hundred machine twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1: Well, look, here's all we'll do. Guys. UV will go
Speaker 1: off and run an RFC right now on your Warrior.
Speaker 1: I'll bring my warlock in. Guys, let me know if
Speaker 1: you want to be a part of that. But what
Speaker 1: we'll do is either next week or the week after easy,
Speaker 1: I think we'll do the big Epoch episode that we've
Speaker 1: been teasing we do, so write down all your points
Speaker 1: about the things you remember from Epoch that you'd love
Speaker 1: to see in a classic. Plus, I think Green would
Speaker 1: probably be interested in a chat like that as well.
Speaker 1: A bunch of you would, and we'll really go through.
Speaker 1: That'll be the episode we send a blizzard with our
Speaker 1: list of demands.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Perfect, Yeah, it will hurt to reminisce of that
Speaker 4: summer flame we had a decade ago. But oh sure
Speaker 4: we can talk about it.
Speaker 1: It really it does already start to feel it's got
Speaker 1: that grease vibe, like I seriously feel like where John
Speaker 1: Travolter and that was folk was Olivia And.
Speaker 23: You start the start the pod with summer eleven. Just
Speaker 23: do it, just kick it off, good music, do it?
Speaker 4: There you go?
Speaker 1: All right, boys, look, let's all say goodbyes. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much all you Countdown Chad's out there. Thank you
Speaker 1: for listening up to the three hour mark. We fucking
Speaker 1: love you all. Come join the guild, no excuses, Come
Speaker 1: dick around with us boys as always, it's been a pleasure.
Speaker 15: See you guys.
Speaker 3: See it nomah in a minute.
Speaker 1: And that's the episode for today. Everyone, Thank you so
Speaker 1: much for listening into all of that. And I'll just
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Speaker 1: heard through all of that and you're like, hey, I
Speaker 1: like the cut of these Countdown blokes jib, then come
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