WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.400 --> 00:00:14.960 What's up party, people, and welcome to Countdown to Classic, 2 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:23.079 where it's not my opinion that counts but yours. Hey everyone, 3 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:25.359 and welcome to another episode of Countdown to Classic. It's 4 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:27.839 so wonderful to have you all here again. And today 5 00:00:27.839 --> 00:00:31.519 we've got a big episode all about yes, you guessed it, 6 00:00:31.679 --> 00:00:36.439 TBC Classic to the Revenge guys. Look, you'll hear a 7 00:00:36.479 --> 00:00:39.479 whole monologue about why we're talking about TVC and what's 8 00:00:39.560 --> 00:00:42.039 going on with me and the guild and everything, So 9 00:00:42.439 --> 00:00:44.479 please just listen in when the call starts and you'll 10 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:47.640 get the whole explanation behind everything. Please do enjoy this 11 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:52.679 episode though, and you know, as the episode says, please 12 00:00:52.759 --> 00:00:56.200 do join the guild. Please, if you are, you know, 13 00:00:56.719 --> 00:01:02.640 inclined to play TBC Classic two point zero, then please 14 00:01:02.719 --> 00:01:05.200 do come join the Countdown crew. We would love to 15 00:01:05.239 --> 00:01:07.640 have you. You know, we're not against having a large 16 00:01:07.640 --> 00:01:10.280 guild with multiple raid teams. We'll just be dicking around. 17 00:01:10.359 --> 00:01:12.519 We're not going super sweaty guys. So if you're a 18 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:15.480 really hardcore ninety nine parsler who lives for you know, 19 00:01:15.599 --> 00:01:18.400 purple numbers, then maybe we won't be the guild for you. 20 00:01:18.719 --> 00:01:20.840 But if you're a bit more relaxed about it, you know, 21 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:23.200 not saying we want people who don't press their buttons. 22 00:01:23.280 --> 00:01:26.519 But if you're just a fucking, you know, capable casual player, 23 00:01:26.560 --> 00:01:28.879 then come hit us up. It's all good. But after 24 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:31.040 this call, guys, I'll speak to you at the end. Thanks. 25 00:01:31.120 --> 00:01:31.560 See up. 26 00:01:36.159 --> 00:01:39.319 All right, everyone, welcome back to another countdown to classic 27 00:01:40.079 --> 00:01:42.239 I am. I've just told the boys who are all 28 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:45.760 sitting here hanging out and talking battlefield and shooting the shit, 29 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:47.599 and then I drop in and go, hi, boys, what's 30 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.359 tying to podcast? And I've completely blown up their fun conversation. 31 00:01:50.480 --> 00:01:53.599 But I'm very much so like still half asleep. I 32 00:01:53.640 --> 00:01:56.599 literally woke up ten minutes ago and I'm fucked. So 33 00:01:56.799 --> 00:01:58.599 I'm going to ease my way into this one. I 34 00:01:58.640 --> 00:02:00.680 think I've got breakfast on the way with the coffee 35 00:02:00.879 --> 00:02:03.120 which will arrive soon, which will be great and much needed. 36 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:05.359 But let me introduce the crew who are going to 37 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:07.400 carry me while I wake up. And it's all your 38 00:02:07.439 --> 00:02:09.960 old favorites, and I really am looking forward to actually 39 00:02:10.400 --> 00:02:12.439 just casually shooting this shit about a bunch of big 40 00:02:12.439 --> 00:02:14.319 issues that have come up over the last two weeks. 41 00:02:14.360 --> 00:02:16.879 With these guys, we're starting off with we'll go in 42 00:02:16.919 --> 00:02:22.719 alphabetical order. How about that Australian and casual hunk impersonator 43 00:02:22.759 --> 00:02:23.879 camp sye mate. 44 00:02:23.599 --> 00:02:26.560 How are you going on? Mate? 45 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:29.560 It's great, great to have you. We've got old favorite 46 00:02:29.599 --> 00:02:31.960 and a prodigal son always welcome back on the show, 47 00:02:32.039 --> 00:02:38.560 Gali boy, y'all. Next up, we've got a person who 48 00:02:38.599 --> 00:02:43.080 has very quickly. We found him relatively recently on Epoch 49 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:46.560 and he's very much so carved a spot in all 50 00:02:46.599 --> 00:02:49.039 of our hearts, the people who've been playing Wower fair 51 00:02:49.120 --> 00:02:51.599 bit recently and logging on and doing shit with the guild. 52 00:02:51.639 --> 00:02:53.439 I'm so happy to have found him because he's been 53 00:02:53.479 --> 00:02:56.240 such a fucking amazing addition to the guild attitude wise 54 00:02:56.280 --> 00:03:00.960 and gameplay wise. Green mate, how are you chilling? 55 00:03:01.159 --> 00:03:01.919 Just crack the beer? 56 00:03:02.759 --> 00:03:04.360 That's the way maybe we were just we were just 57 00:03:04.400 --> 00:03:06.919 saying the other day you you weren't in voice chat 58 00:03:06.919 --> 00:03:12.599 and we've gone fucking green. That can't just I'm sorry 59 00:03:12.599 --> 00:03:16.360 about the notification. That can't just offers to help everyone 60 00:03:16.599 --> 00:03:19.400 all the time on Epoch and whatever. He just like, 61 00:03:19.560 --> 00:03:21.360 no matter what you're doing, he just drops what he's 62 00:03:21.400 --> 00:03:23.759 doing and goes, yeah, no, worries. I'll come heal that dungeon, 63 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.159 or I'll come do that for you, like it's you're 64 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:27.840 an angel, so we don't deserve you. 65 00:03:29.319 --> 00:03:30.400 Shit happens. 66 00:03:31.680 --> 00:03:36.240 Very good. All right, This next caun't I tell you what. 67 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:41.360 He's been very busy lately, and I personally have been 68 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.879 crying myself to sleep because it's been way too long 69 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.360 since he's been on the show, and I think of 70 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:48.919 him on a daily basis ubiquitous mate, how are you? 71 00:03:50.280 --> 00:03:52.360 I'm doing well? Thank you, good to be back. 72 00:03:52.560 --> 00:03:57.039 Good to have you back, sunshine. And next up he's 73 00:03:57.120 --> 00:03:59.280 just he's like herpes. You can't get rid of him. 74 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:04.240 We love him, vestige, how I how's it going, good man? 75 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:07.960 And finally, I mean fuck. I threw out the prodigal 76 00:04:07.960 --> 00:04:11.120 son reference before, but maybe this person is the true 77 00:04:11.120 --> 00:04:14.560 prodigal son because we've been backing and forthing over all 78 00:04:14.599 --> 00:04:19.839 this TBC bullshit, and then he came allbit on a 79 00:04:19.839 --> 00:04:22.120 short term basis. But we'll see how we go. He 80 00:04:22.160 --> 00:04:24.519 came back to us recently. Yeah, how are you mate? 81 00:04:27.120 --> 00:04:27.279 Good? 82 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:28.360 That's the way. 83 00:04:28.639 --> 00:04:29.120 All right. 84 00:04:29.480 --> 00:04:31.319 We've had a few more people drop in since I 85 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:33.759 dropped the announcement, so I'll just very quickly say hello 86 00:04:33.879 --> 00:04:36.360 to someone who is truly becoming the heart and soul 87 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.079 of the Countdown guild. Easy, mate, how are you? 88 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:42.800 It's so josh mate. 89 00:04:42.839 --> 00:04:43.040 Fuck. 90 00:04:43.120 --> 00:04:45.240 We've played a lot of Wow together over the last 91 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:46.160 few weeks, haven't we. 92 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.560 Yeah, we really have been fun. 93 00:04:50.959 --> 00:04:57.519 It's it's been a lovely fun time forging these social 94 00:04:57.560 --> 00:04:59.680 bonds with all of you guys. But guys, let's get 95 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:01.759 into it. Look like I said, I'll have to throw 96 00:05:01.800 --> 00:05:04.199 it out to you while I wake up, but I 97 00:05:04.839 --> 00:05:07.439 will have to find the energy to deliver a little bit. 98 00:05:07.480 --> 00:05:09.319 Just bear with me for five minutes while I give 99 00:05:09.360 --> 00:05:12.600 a bit of a monologue to intro this episode. And 100 00:05:12.639 --> 00:05:14.720 this is the last time I'm going to have you 101 00:05:14.759 --> 00:05:16.800 sit there in awkward silence while you have to fucking 102 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:19.199 listen to me. But a lot of your podcast listeners 103 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:22.680 will be sort of out of the loop on what's 104 00:05:22.720 --> 00:05:24.800 been happening lately over the last you know, I think 105 00:05:24.839 --> 00:05:26.839 it's been two weeks or three weeks maybe since the 106 00:05:26.920 --> 00:05:31.040 last podcast episode. A lot has happened actually in that 107 00:05:31.160 --> 00:05:33.800 time in the Countdown discord, and like I'd always do, 108 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:36.720 I beg you guys to join the Countdown discord so 109 00:05:36.759 --> 00:05:39.160 you can sort of keep up with what's going on 110 00:05:40.839 --> 00:05:44.160 in between podcast episodes, because really, if you want to 111 00:05:44.160 --> 00:05:46.240 know what's going on with everything countdown, just read what 112 00:05:46.240 --> 00:05:49.319 we're talking about there, and then you won't be left, 113 00:05:49.439 --> 00:05:53.399 you know, behind, when we change servers or announce that 114 00:05:53.399 --> 00:05:55.759 we're doing some fun in game event or something like that. 115 00:05:55.839 --> 00:05:58.439 But look, guys, I've been on the show over the 116 00:05:58.519 --> 00:06:01.399 last three four months, five on whatever, just going epoch 117 00:06:01.439 --> 00:06:04.319 epoch epoch. This fucking server is amazing. It's the private 118 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:06.800 server that has come to save World of Warcraft. Oh 119 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:09.319 my god, it's so good and we loved it, We 120 00:06:09.360 --> 00:06:12.480 really did. The content was fantastic. I will have a 121 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.959 very very angry shouting match with any fuck with who's like, 122 00:06:16.279 --> 00:06:19.399 h you mean that buggy piece of shit server? Fuck off, 123 00:06:19.439 --> 00:06:22.399 you loser. You're not a true gamer. Oh yes I am. 124 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:26.199 True gamers don't accept bugs. Go fucking kiss my assy 125 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:28.879 piece of shit. The content was ten out of ten. 126 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:31.399 If you can't fucking walk away from a game that 127 00:06:31.439 --> 00:06:34.000 one out of you know, ten, quest was fucking bugged 128 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.160 and just shrug your shoulders and get over it. I 129 00:06:36.199 --> 00:06:38.000 don't want to talk to you. You're a weird wow 130 00:06:38.199 --> 00:06:40.720 fucking tool who I don't want anything to do with. 131 00:06:41.199 --> 00:06:44.120 That server was fucking amazing, and quite frankly, you know, 132 00:06:44.160 --> 00:06:45.839 if you've been listening to Countdown a Classic for any 133 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:48.920 period of time, all the smart people and all the 134 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:52.319 cool people who have played ridiculous amounts of Wow over 135 00:06:52.319 --> 00:06:56.160 the last twenty years agreed that Epoch was just number one. 136 00:06:56.879 --> 00:07:01.399 The amount of fucking people I trust who's wow. This 137 00:07:01.639 --> 00:07:04.800 was a fucking top tier Classic Plus experience Like that 138 00:07:04.920 --> 00:07:08.000 was a really really like not something I wouldn't go 139 00:07:08.040 --> 00:07:10.439 as far as saying, it's not like they're going, oh, 140 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:13.199 I don't mind that that server is now, you know, 141 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:17.040 apparently dead in the water, because they all say, I'm 142 00:07:17.040 --> 00:07:19.480 just glad I did that leveling experience, Like I got 143 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:21.720 to see exactly what I said on the show. I 144 00:07:21.800 --> 00:07:25.000 got to see an example and play through an example 145 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:29.360 of what a really good Classic Plus experience could be, 146 00:07:29.519 --> 00:07:31.720 and we all did it. I leveled, you know, I 147 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:33.839 got one character to sixty, I got a second character 148 00:07:33.879 --> 00:07:37.480 to about forty five, and we all had a brilliant time. 149 00:07:37.560 --> 00:07:39.439 So like, just you know, if you're that person who's 150 00:07:39.439 --> 00:07:42.040 listening to this going, you're all fucking Idiot's epoch was horrendous. 151 00:07:42.279 --> 00:07:44.959 Trust me, you're the problem, not us there, I fucking 152 00:07:45.000 --> 00:07:50.519 said it, get over it. But like epoch then did 153 00:07:50.600 --> 00:07:54.040 go through the motions of it's very clearly now been 154 00:07:54.079 --> 00:07:57.000 abandoned by the Ascension team. I held out as long 155 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:02.319 as I could. I huffed all the kopium I could on. No, no, maybe, maybe, 156 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:05.240 just maybe something's going to happen here. You never know, 157 00:08:05.319 --> 00:08:07.879 And I said, there's no way they don't release the 158 00:08:07.920 --> 00:08:12.959 first raid tier for this private server. That never fucking happens. Well, unfortunately, 159 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:17.279 all signs are pointing to that fucking happening. The population 160 00:08:17.439 --> 00:08:19.160 is down to now, like you know, one hundred, one 161 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:22.759 hundred and fifty people logging on a daily basis countdown 162 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:25.560 was making up fucking ten percent of those numbers, and 163 00:08:25.879 --> 00:08:28.600 just silence, these these pricks over it Ascension, They went 164 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:32.679 full ascension. You know, they couldn't find a team to 165 00:08:32.720 --> 00:08:36.200 develop a thing, they how hard they were looking for 166 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:38.200 the team to develop the thing. Who knows when they've 167 00:08:38.200 --> 00:08:40.440 got Bronze Beard launching over there as their cash cow. 168 00:08:40.559 --> 00:08:44.879 Now this thing just looks all but abandoned. So unfortunately, 169 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.759 many of us who held on to the last minute, 170 00:08:47.360 --> 00:08:50.360 just had to sort of at a certain point, go, look, guys, 171 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.799 I we stayed six weeks later than everyone else, and 172 00:08:54.840 --> 00:08:57.559 it just looks like nothing's happening here. So many of 173 00:08:57.600 --> 00:09:01.039 us have unfortunately now had to jump from Epoch, which 174 00:09:01.080 --> 00:09:04.679 is really tragic. So I'll just say the next part 175 00:09:04.679 --> 00:09:06.000 and then throw it out to you guys about the 176 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.159 Epoch thing, and easy, please tee up a nice little 177 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:12.440 Epoch love letter while I finished this thought off. But 178 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:14.960 basically I got to a point where many of you 179 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:17.919 were apparently experiencing the same thing with the death of Epoch. 180 00:09:18.000 --> 00:09:20.480 With me not being happy with Bronze beeared, I tried 181 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:23.399 out fucking you know what was it, storm Forge to 182 00:09:23.480 --> 00:09:26.279 whatever the wrath five X server, because I was that desperate. 183 00:09:26.519 --> 00:09:29.679 It was fucking I wasn't really enjoying that because five 184 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:31.759 X is a joke, and you wind up in you know, 185 00:09:32.759 --> 00:09:35.559 level thirty and forty dungeons with level twenty gear on 186 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:38.440 because you can't get gear drops because you're progressing so quickly, 187 00:09:39.200 --> 00:09:41.519 and you've got no cash, so you can't buy anything 188 00:09:41.519 --> 00:09:43.559 off the auction house, and everything was quite inflated on 189 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:45.600 the auction house. So that was a pretty bad experience. 190 00:09:45.600 --> 00:09:47.559 So I was just so desperate for some Wow. I 191 00:09:47.600 --> 00:09:49.799 love me some Wow. Obviously got the podcast about it. 192 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:52.399 I need to play some Wow. So, you know, found 193 00:09:52.399 --> 00:09:54.799 myself in the position that some of you did, where 194 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:58.840 I was like, fuck, I so loudly and triumphantly declared 195 00:09:59.159 --> 00:10:01.799 that my you know sub was over four months ago 196 00:10:01.879 --> 00:10:05.240 on the show, and now I find myself in the 197 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:09.679 Simpsons moment, walking through the supplicant box, you know, crawling 198 00:10:09.720 --> 00:10:13.080 through to Tim slash mister Burns going, you know, can 199 00:10:13.120 --> 00:10:17.240 I resub and I don't know, maybe play some TBC Anniversary. 200 00:10:17.279 --> 00:10:19.240 Even though I'm not that psyched about it, I'll still 201 00:10:19.240 --> 00:10:20.759 I just have to play some Wow. I need some 202 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.799 decent Wow, and there's nothing decent on the market at 203 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:25.759 the moment, so fuck it. I'll just play TBC. And 204 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:31.840 Tim's obviously there, you know, going, so you've come crawling back. So, guys, 205 00:10:31.879 --> 00:10:34.600 what I'm getting at is many of us have now 206 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.399 moved over to TBC Anniversary. I said on the show, 207 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.159 I had zero interest in TBC again, but there is 208 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:45.279 just nothing else to play. And it's so unfortunate that, 209 00:10:45.480 --> 00:10:47.039 you know, it's not like we I was never going 210 00:10:47.039 --> 00:10:50.080 to resub to Blizzard again. But it's so unfortunate that 211 00:10:50.159 --> 00:10:53.039 I have come crawling back in the circumstances that I 212 00:10:53.039 --> 00:10:55.080 thought i'd be coming back because a red hot new 213 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:57.679 product would be out, as opposed to coming back because 214 00:10:57.720 --> 00:10:59.759 this is nothing else, you know that I want to play. 215 00:11:00.159 --> 00:11:02.279 Everything else is out on the market is worse than 216 00:11:02.320 --> 00:11:04.320 what Blizzard has to offer at the moment. But like, 217 00:11:04.360 --> 00:11:06.759 you know, what they've got isn't that red hot either, 218 00:11:07.200 --> 00:11:09.200 So I'm a little bit bummed out about that. But 219 00:11:09.720 --> 00:11:13.679 we're making you know, fucking lemonade out of lemons and 220 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.320 a bunch of us about I think seventy five people 221 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:19.159 are in the Countdown Guild on TBC Anniversary. We're playing 222 00:11:19.200 --> 00:11:23.480 on dream side, the PvE server hoard side, so please 223 00:11:23.559 --> 00:11:25.240 come and join us. We will be doing a big 224 00:11:25.279 --> 00:11:28.159 recruiting drive through the show to get people into this big, 225 00:11:28.200 --> 00:11:30.279 fun Countdown Guild like we did on Epoch. It with 226 00:11:30.320 --> 00:11:32.639 such an amazing experience that we want to replicate. So 227 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:36.159 that's the news. Like, I'm not overly enthused about it, 228 00:11:36.200 --> 00:11:38.559 but we're doing it. I'm playing a fuckload of it. 229 00:11:38.639 --> 00:11:41.120 Don't think I'm not psyched about it. And we're easy 230 00:11:41.159 --> 00:11:43.879 and I've been tearing this shit apart, but TBC and 231 00:11:44.200 --> 00:11:46.240 is you know, it's like the fourth server move for 232 00:11:46.320 --> 00:11:48.960 countdown in the last fucking four months. I know it's tiring, 233 00:11:49.080 --> 00:11:51.320 but that's just where we are now. There. I've said 234 00:11:51.399 --> 00:11:53.759 my spiel. Easy, let me throw it over to you 235 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.440 and just any comments on anything that I just said 236 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:58.639 personally from you about you know, the death of Epoch 237 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:00.440 and the move over to TBC, and that's right. 238 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:05.960 Yeah, EPUK was was a time like that was a 239 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:08.600 great period of time. We all got to experience some 240 00:12:08.919 --> 00:12:11.879 kind of what a class and plus might be. There 241 00:12:11.879 --> 00:12:15.600 were so many cool little changes. Nothing huge like Bronze Beard. 242 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:17.759 I mean we also, you know, came on here and 243 00:12:17.799 --> 00:12:21.960 talked about how we were trying that. But Epoch was fantastic. 244 00:12:22.000 --> 00:12:25.519 And I think that probably every day in guilt chat 245 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:27.799 or you know, for in a party or something like that, 246 00:12:27.879 --> 00:12:30.840 everybody's mentioning, oh man, I missed this about EPOC or 247 00:12:30.879 --> 00:12:34.720 EPOC did this better? And you know, the hope is 248 00:12:34.720 --> 00:12:37.679 is that Blizzard somehow is paying attention. 249 00:12:38.080 --> 00:12:38.440 I don't. 250 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:40.240 I don't know if they are or they aren't, but 251 00:12:40.679 --> 00:12:42.480 there are a lot of really positive things that came 252 00:12:42.519 --> 00:12:44.919 out from EPAC. And it's funny too because we all 253 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:48.840 ended up on anniversary not because we're excited for TBC. 254 00:12:48.960 --> 00:12:52.200 But again, like you said, it's just waiting for EPOC. 255 00:12:52.320 --> 00:12:57.279 Like I'm telling you right now, for you pop MC 256 00:12:57.480 --> 00:12:59.559 is going to launch, and you know on this date, 257 00:13:00.080 --> 00:13:03.679 I'd honestly jump back over there and participate in that 258 00:13:03.759 --> 00:13:07.720 again sooner than I would re re re release of TVC. 259 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:09.840 So it's kind of where my head's at. This is 260 00:13:09.919 --> 00:13:12.159 just a waiting room for other Epoch to do some 261 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:14.879 kind of content release, which again is looking like it's 262 00:13:14.919 --> 00:13:18.159 not going to happen, or something better in the well world. 263 00:13:20.399 --> 00:13:22.679 All right, anyone else want to speak up on this one, 264 00:13:22.720 --> 00:13:26.720 whether talking about moving over from lamenting Epoch's death or 265 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:30.279 I can yeah, go go nuts, Yeah, Camcy, you're a 266 00:13:30.320 --> 00:13:31.440 good one, go for it, mate. 267 00:13:31.840 --> 00:13:35.200 It's I was. It's the same, you know. It was 268 00:13:35.240 --> 00:13:37.879 just as you've been saying a bunch recently, like just 269 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:42.039 feeling super sad about it, And definitely that's what I 270 00:13:42.080 --> 00:13:46.320 was feeling as it became more obvious that it was 271 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:48.840 just like winding up and just like what's going on here? 272 00:13:49.320 --> 00:13:52.879 And then and the same thing for me like that 273 00:13:52.919 --> 00:13:54.879 You've said a bunch like just Vanilla, I'm just like, 274 00:13:54.960 --> 00:13:57.679 I can't do it. I can't do it. But it 275 00:13:57.759 --> 00:13:59.240 got so bad and I was just like, I just 276 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:01.960 want to hang with you guys and fuck around and 277 00:14:02.000 --> 00:14:04.759 do some place of WOW or whatever. So I guess 278 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:08.600 here I am. And it was actually the discovery of 279 00:14:08.960 --> 00:14:10.919 remembering that I had a sixty on article that I 280 00:14:10.960 --> 00:14:13.639 could bring across, which is like, okay, I can just 281 00:14:13.799 --> 00:14:16.039 play this, and because I don't know if I could 282 00:14:16.080 --> 00:14:20.320 have honestly leveled like a fresh character or whatever, but 283 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.840 it's it's good. Now we're in the guild and there's 284 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:26.759 some stuff going on. It's it's you know, it's not ideal, 285 00:14:26.919 --> 00:14:30.639 but at least there's something going on, and I'm happy now. 286 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:33.519 It's you brought up the keyword there, mate, that I 287 00:14:33.519 --> 00:14:35.320 said in the discord a couple of times, and like 288 00:14:35.360 --> 00:14:37.960 I've you guys might have felt this way before. I've 289 00:14:38.000 --> 00:14:41.200 never felt this way about a WOW server before, because 290 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.120 you know, I play so many who servers and have 291 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:45.519 so many thousands of characters that I've never been that 292 00:14:45.639 --> 00:14:49.440 overly emotionally invested in anything. But I got sad for 293 00:14:49.480 --> 00:14:51.799 the first time in my Wow life that a server 294 00:14:52.080 --> 00:14:54.039 sort of you know, diet in front of me, and 295 00:14:54.440 --> 00:14:58.279 I was like moping around the house because we had 296 00:14:58.679 --> 00:15:01.840 we had such a fuck like it was an eleven 297 00:15:01.879 --> 00:15:04.039 out of ten social experience, like you guys said, the 298 00:15:04.080 --> 00:15:07.080 world Wide Server, the twenty four to seven element of 299 00:15:07.080 --> 00:15:10.399 the Countdown guilds, you know, all of you experienced and 300 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:13.279 loved it. There was fucking, you know, twenty five people 301 00:15:13.320 --> 00:15:16.240 on twenty four to seven doing something. Everyone got to 302 00:15:16.279 --> 00:15:19.440 know each other, and it was a fucking great content server. 303 00:15:19.600 --> 00:15:23.480 So like this ends, and I'm just sad. I'm sad, 304 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:29.240 and I'm really coming back to TBC skulking and it 305 00:15:29.279 --> 00:15:32.799 feels shit. So does anyone else want to talk about 306 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:34.600 this a little bit? Or are we are we good? 307 00:15:36.320 --> 00:15:39.960 I'm just firmly in the same boat. It's like, I 308 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:43.639 don't know, we're eating stale biscuits now and when we're 309 00:15:43.679 --> 00:15:47.440 just having something nice, so it all feel I'm literally 310 00:15:47.600 --> 00:15:52.240 running around as like a level fifteen and you're just 311 00:15:52.320 --> 00:15:55.039 thinking to yourself, fuck, Level fifteen on Epoch was so 312 00:15:55.120 --> 00:15:59.600 much more fun than this level fifteen. So it's just 313 00:15:59.639 --> 00:16:02.559 a bit of a bummer. And then even as we'll 314 00:16:02.559 --> 00:16:05.720 get to it, but personally, how they're how it looks 315 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.159 like they're handling the lead up to TBC feels worse 316 00:16:10.000 --> 00:16:12.960 because we played Epoch, which is kind of like TBC 317 00:16:13.120 --> 00:16:16.320 Vanilla and how good it was, and then now we're 318 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:19.200 going to wait two months to pre patch, probably have 319 00:16:19.240 --> 00:16:20.559 that for three weeks before. 320 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:23.799 Yeah, well maybe launch. Keep that thought running, because I 321 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:25.360 want to know what you mean by that. I'll just 322 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:27.639 lead you in and say, yep, guys. So look, you know, 323 00:16:27.720 --> 00:16:29.879 two or three days ago, Blizzard came out and announced 324 00:16:29.919 --> 00:16:33.360 that all right, for all you TBC and he enjoys Enjoyers. 325 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.159 Everyone was guessing that. You know, I said, I think 326 00:16:37.200 --> 00:16:39.600 this patch is coming out on like the tenth of January, 327 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:43.360 like mid January. And even though I guess that, I 328 00:16:43.360 --> 00:16:45.360 think the smartest thing to do would be a December 329 00:16:45.399 --> 00:16:47.600 launch because everyone's pretty pumped up and playing over the 330 00:16:47.600 --> 00:16:49.759 holidays would be fun. A lot of people tended to 331 00:16:49.799 --> 00:16:52.120 agree with that, and so Blizzard does the blizz thing 332 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:54.240 and goes, hey, guess what, guys, pre patch on the 333 00:16:54.240 --> 00:16:57.120 thirteenth of January, and everyone's like that's two fucking months away, 334 00:16:57.240 --> 00:17:03.159 Like that's too far, And yeah, that's the announcement that 335 00:17:03.200 --> 00:17:04.680 we got and we've got a whole bunch of other 336 00:17:04.680 --> 00:17:07.640 details that we'll get into later, but just on that one, 337 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:11.920 you continue your thought process on when that announcement came out. 338 00:17:13.359 --> 00:17:16.559 I'm just I said earlier to the lads before we 339 00:17:16.599 --> 00:17:20.359 started recording, is like, I don't know, maybe I'm the 340 00:17:20.359 --> 00:17:23.200 minority and it's not actually like good ideas, which is 341 00:17:23.319 --> 00:17:28.000 completely valid, but everything they seem to decide with Classic, 342 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.720 whether it's the length or when and why and what 343 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:33.680 they're doing just seems to not be what I would 344 00:17:33.680 --> 00:17:36.039 have ever chosen to do. So in regards to the 345 00:17:36.039 --> 00:17:40.559 pre patch, I just don't know why is it really 346 00:17:40.640 --> 00:17:42.400 that bad of an idea that it could have been 347 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:45.799 like a twelve week prepatch and like, no one's going 348 00:17:45.880 --> 00:17:47.759 to go anywhere, the Naxbros. Is still going to be 349 00:17:47.799 --> 00:17:50.799 running nacs, But it could have been a really fun 350 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:55.440 time period to like actually play one to sixty World 351 00:17:55.480 --> 00:17:59.599 of Warcraft with TBC classes, Because I think, I said 352 00:17:59.640 --> 00:18:03.480 on an so ages ago, is like not that many 353 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:06.559 people have really done that. When TBC came out, you 354 00:18:06.599 --> 00:18:09.559 already had US sixty or multiple sixties and you just 355 00:18:09.599 --> 00:18:12.480 went to outlands. There's not a huge amount of players 356 00:18:12.519 --> 00:18:16.319 that have actually done one to sixty specifically during TBC, 357 00:18:16.880 --> 00:18:19.759 and even if they have, they probably wouldn't mind doing 358 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:23.839 it again. Like it's a pretty niche timeline that hasn't 359 00:18:23.880 --> 00:18:25.759 existed that often. And I thought it was a great 360 00:18:25.759 --> 00:18:28.920 opportunity if you were a Blizzard and you saw how 361 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:32.400 much everyone loved fucking epoch. That's all it is. It's 362 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:35.000 TBC in the Vanilla world with a buttload more quest. 363 00:18:35.920 --> 00:18:37.920 I'm just surprised that they didn't kind of just pick 364 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:40.440 that ball up now that it kind of got killed 365 00:18:40.440 --> 00:18:42.559 off of, just like, oh, well, here you go, here's 366 00:18:42.559 --> 00:18:45.599 a twelve week epoch. Here's twelve weeks of epoch before 367 00:18:45.640 --> 00:18:47.920 you actually go to Outlands. And I think it would 368 00:18:47.920 --> 00:18:51.400 have been wildly more popular than whatever this is happening. Like, 369 00:18:52.200 --> 00:18:54.799 but maybe that's just because Blizzard knows that we're all, 370 00:18:55.039 --> 00:18:58.440 well we're not all. But you know, if you don't 371 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.000 want to play pre patch, well sorry, if you don't 372 00:19:01.000 --> 00:19:02.720 want to start leveling now, then you'll just buy a 373 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:05.720 boost in five weeks, and so be it. Maybe that's 374 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.440 their play. Maybe it would cost them if they made 375 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:11.279 prepatch too long and too fun, then no one would 376 00:19:11.319 --> 00:19:13.160 actually need to buy the Boost because we would have 377 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:16.319 all leveled sixty and be ready for TBC. Maybe that's 378 00:19:16.319 --> 00:19:20.400 maybe that's my skeptical, pessimistic guess as to why they 379 00:19:20.400 --> 00:19:22.000 wouldn't have done it the other way. 380 00:19:22.559 --> 00:19:24.359 Oh, the whole thing. I mean, we'll get into this, 381 00:19:24.480 --> 00:19:26.440 but I don't want to talk about the boost just yet, 382 00:19:26.440 --> 00:19:28.839 but we will very soon. But like the whole and 383 00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:31.720 like you know, we just talked about Bronze Beard, how 384 00:19:31.759 --> 00:19:35.759 the whole structure, behind the scenes and just beyond the 385 00:19:35.799 --> 00:19:39.359 glimpse of the user is funneling you towards buying the shit. 386 00:19:39.519 --> 00:19:42.440 Like the idea is to make you use the store. 387 00:19:42.519 --> 00:19:45.160 These people want to make money, and that's fine to 388 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:46.920 want to make money, but there's sort of, you know, 389 00:19:47.000 --> 00:19:50.079 an extent to which lengths you'll go to bleed that 390 00:19:50.160 --> 00:19:52.960 money from your users. But and you know what sort 391 00:19:53.000 --> 00:19:59.559 of seems you know, agreeable versus predatory. But like here 392 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:01.799 we are, you know, Blizzards in the same boat as 393 00:20:02.240 --> 00:20:04.480 the Private Servers at the moment where like this this 394 00:20:04.559 --> 00:20:06.759 game is about the money. Now, it's very much so 395 00:20:06.759 --> 00:20:09.599 about the money. It's not been about the player or 396 00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:12.119 the experience for some time. Now it's about the money. 397 00:20:12.160 --> 00:20:15.839 Line must go up and Blizzard has it really looks 398 00:20:15.880 --> 00:20:20.960 like a completely structured TBC anniversary around. Okay, we made 399 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:24.000 a fuck load of money last time. Fucking hold my beer, 400 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.720 watch how much more I make this time around. We're 401 00:20:26.720 --> 00:20:30.200 going to really push these fuckers, and it's all behind 402 00:20:30.240 --> 00:20:33.920 the scenes, little things tweaked here and there to have 403 00:20:34.039 --> 00:20:37.799 the invisible hands push you towards that boost. So, just 404 00:20:37.839 --> 00:20:39.519 like you said you'd be, I think you spot on 405 00:20:39.559 --> 00:20:41.559 and we'll get into that in a second, but I 406 00:20:41.680 --> 00:20:44.440 just want to stick on the point of the two 407 00:20:44.480 --> 00:20:47.000 month wait until pre patch and hear from some of 408 00:20:47.039 --> 00:20:48.680 you other guys. I'm sure a lot of you are 409 00:20:48.680 --> 00:20:50.240 going to have opinions on this, so I'm going to 410 00:20:50.279 --> 00:20:51.759 open it up to the crowd. We're all at the 411 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:54.519 pub holding a beer to shooting the shit. Guys talk 412 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:56.519 over each other, yellow each other, do whatever you want. 413 00:20:56.599 --> 00:20:59.839 But like, who wants to talk to me about Wizard 414 00:20:59.839 --> 00:21:02.319 a good thing or a bad thing? To wait two 415 00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.640 more months for TBC pre patch to drop? 416 00:21:05.440 --> 00:21:09.279 It was terrible, Josh. I didn't think I would speak, 417 00:21:09.319 --> 00:21:11.480 but you've kind of just moved into a good part 418 00:21:11.519 --> 00:21:14.240 of the conversation here, and I've just got to chime 419 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:15.319 in with me two cents. 420 00:21:16.720 --> 00:21:18.799 It was awful. I was looking forward to. 421 00:21:19.000 --> 00:21:24.279 Coming back and hanging out with the boys again, leveling 422 00:21:24.440 --> 00:21:27.039 hopefully with some joyous journeys or something. 423 00:21:26.759 --> 00:21:30.759 Perhaps, and we just sort of get slapped in the face. 424 00:21:30.839 --> 00:21:34.039 No pre patch toil long after everybody stopped having holidays, 425 00:21:34.880 --> 00:21:38.039 and I guess, so, well, I guess I'll buy the boost. 426 00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:42.279 And that's exactly that's music to there is, isn't it though? Marcus? 427 00:21:42.880 --> 00:21:46.720 Yeah, yeah, it's it's not music to my soul though, Josh, 428 00:21:46.720 --> 00:21:50.000 that's the problem, right, all right? 429 00:21:50.119 --> 00:21:52.440 Who wants to piggyback off of that kieva rolling? 430 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:55.680 Yeah, I think it's a pretty terrible choice. 431 00:21:56.720 --> 00:21:58.599 The holidays are going to be the perfect time to 432 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:01.640 you know, people a lot of time off with its level, 433 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:04.160 let us play in the pre patch. Do you really 434 00:22:04.160 --> 00:22:06.680 want two more weeks of NACS? I mean, it just 435 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:08.599 made so much freaking sense, which is why, of course 436 00:22:08.640 --> 00:22:12.759 Blizzard wouldn't do it. And now I guess, yeah, I 437 00:22:12.759 --> 00:22:14.799 agree with you that they're just trying to push everybody to, 438 00:22:15.000 --> 00:22:17.240 you know, a short pre patch again, which nobody wants. 439 00:22:17.279 --> 00:22:20.039 Everybody wants a long pre patch, So I don't get 440 00:22:20.039 --> 00:22:20.599 what's going on. 441 00:22:21.759 --> 00:22:25.000 Yeah, I have less to say about the January release, 442 00:22:25.079 --> 00:22:27.359 but more so about the short pre patch, which we 443 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.759 don't know for sure. But the last time we had 444 00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:32.039 the pre patch was it was two weeks and I 445 00:22:32.119 --> 00:22:35.359 actually did relevel. I re rolled a human warrior to 446 00:22:35.400 --> 00:22:37.960 a Drani warrior, so I was one of the rare ones. 447 00:22:38.039 --> 00:22:41.759 But I think the pre patch is super fun and 448 00:22:41.799 --> 00:22:43.720 it shakes up the meta and it gives people stuff 449 00:22:43.759 --> 00:22:47.039 to do, and it's a really fun time to just play. 450 00:22:47.319 --> 00:22:49.160 And so I know it hasn't been announced, but I 451 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:51.079 really do hope they do a longer pre patch, which 452 00:22:51.119 --> 00:22:53.240 is why it would be weird to just not do 453 00:22:53.279 --> 00:22:56.119 the pre patch sooner rather than later. And if it's 454 00:22:56.119 --> 00:22:57.839 three months, then it's three months of pre patch, So 455 00:22:57.920 --> 00:22:59.960 what if they need to cook TBC and do their changes, 456 00:23:00.559 --> 00:23:04.279 that's fine, But the pre patch steed is just really fun. 457 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.119 Yeah, I think if we get there and then they 458 00:23:07.160 --> 00:23:10.599 say it is, let's just say if it's eight weeks 459 00:23:10.680 --> 00:23:14.000 or whatever, which is plenty long enough. If we get 460 00:23:14.039 --> 00:23:17.000 there and they say that, I will still be happy. 461 00:23:17.400 --> 00:23:20.279 But I still think that's a worse move than like 462 00:23:20.960 --> 00:23:24.119 you could attacked four weeks of it onto this NAS 463 00:23:24.160 --> 00:23:26.240 phase where they still give a shit about NACS, because 464 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:27.920 you're just going to get a huge player drop off 465 00:23:28.279 --> 00:23:32.519 of the guys that are like biskeered from NAS and 466 00:23:32.599 --> 00:23:35.519 have no interest in leveling at all, They're all going 467 00:23:35.559 --> 00:23:37.440 to quit and then they'll be like this weird bubble 468 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:40.319 of like TBC hype trainers that have all come back 469 00:23:40.319 --> 00:23:43.960 for TBC, which, like, either way, it's not going to 470 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:46.599 affect me. I'm just I'm surprised by their choice to 471 00:23:46.640 --> 00:23:49.279 do so. If you're going to do a long pre patch, 472 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.039 I thought you'd try and catch the end of NACS 473 00:23:52.039 --> 00:23:54.440 because then all those like I thought that would kind 474 00:23:54.440 --> 00:23:57.480 of be fun. I remember the first time round, it 475 00:23:57.720 --> 00:24:02.039 would be cool if you could not be an absolute 476 00:24:02.160 --> 00:24:04.519 super nerd that goes one to sixty in four days, 477 00:24:04.559 --> 00:24:08.720 but to realistically hit sixty in a couple of weeks, 478 00:24:08.759 --> 00:24:11.359 if you're going pretty hard, and then actually do like 479 00:24:11.559 --> 00:24:15.359 four or five weeks of level sixty lockouts as as 480 00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:17.720 a fucking blood elf Pali or whatever the hell you 481 00:24:17.759 --> 00:24:20.720 want to be. I thought, in my mind that sounds 482 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:23.640 like a good fun time to lead into TBC. But 483 00:24:24.440 --> 00:24:26.799 maybe that's maybe that's not a common take. Or they're 484 00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:27.720 not interested in doing that. 485 00:24:27.960 --> 00:24:30.599 My only thing with that ub was, and I'm happy 486 00:24:30.599 --> 00:24:32.440 to be shadowed down on this, but I said, this 487 00:24:32.599 --> 00:24:36.160 is the classic, like they can't win someone Like a 488 00:24:36.160 --> 00:24:38.680 lot of people will complain regardless of what number you 489 00:24:38.759 --> 00:24:41.400 pick in terms of how many weeks should pre Patch last. 490 00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:45.480 But I said, I said it should be four weeks 491 00:24:45.519 --> 00:24:48.599 for my personal preference, because I just feel that, like, 492 00:24:49.200 --> 00:24:52.160 two weeks is too short. A lot of people will 493 00:24:52.160 --> 00:24:55.920 complain six weeks is too long. Even though all those 494 00:24:55.960 --> 00:24:59.160 reasons you justly said sound fantastic, there will still be 495 00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:01.400 people going, oh, I'm like, god, six weeks of prepatch 496 00:25:01.519 --> 00:25:03.640 just fucking get us through the dark Portal already. Oh 497 00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:05.519 my god, I have to wait another two weeks, Oh 498 00:25:05.559 --> 00:25:08.640 my god. So there'll be people complaining on both ends, 499 00:25:08.640 --> 00:25:12.519 whereas four weeks is your Goldilocks moment where people just go, yeah, cool, 500 00:25:12.599 --> 00:25:14.559 I had my fun let's go through the dark portal. 501 00:25:14.599 --> 00:25:15.039 I'm ready. 502 00:25:17.319 --> 00:25:23.200 Yeah, I suppose, but it's I feel, well, no, we 503 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:26.440 already went over. Like, I don't think this means if 504 00:25:26.480 --> 00:25:32.000 it's short, you don't lose players. I think you'd just 505 00:25:32.119 --> 00:25:35.759 gain more boosts. So therefore they win but then if 506 00:25:35.759 --> 00:25:39.160 it goes too long, no one's canceling their sub, but 507 00:25:39.200 --> 00:25:42.279 they just stop playing. I'm unsure what would be the best, 508 00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:45.440 what would actually be the most popular choice, But they 509 00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.400 don't seem to make popular choices anyway. They make financial choices. 510 00:25:49.240 --> 00:25:54.200 So well, I haven't heard anybody complain saying I want 511 00:25:54.200 --> 00:25:56.960 a shorter prepatch or I want the same prepatchion. Everybody 512 00:25:57.000 --> 00:26:00.400 I've heard of said I want a long prepatch, well 513 00:26:00.759 --> 00:26:04.200 at least two for maybe even six weeks longer. 514 00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:06.119 I mean, yeah, come. 515 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:08.359 On, so I feel I feel like if anyone was 516 00:26:08.400 --> 00:26:10.680 grumpy about it, then good on you, bud. Take a 517 00:26:10.759 --> 00:26:13.000 three week break. You can have a little break. You've 518 00:26:13.079 --> 00:26:15.480 rated your little booty off all through nacks. You're a 519 00:26:15.519 --> 00:26:18.480 good boy. Have a three week holiday while everyone else 520 00:26:18.519 --> 00:26:20.920 has fun leveling up, and then you have more players 521 00:26:20.920 --> 00:26:24.240 for TBC. I don't think anyone's there going no, no, no, no no. 522 00:26:24.680 --> 00:26:27.319 I'm ready to go this week. Fuck all of you. 523 00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:30.160 I want I want no prepatch. Just open the portal 524 00:26:30.160 --> 00:26:32.720 tomorrow so I can go and get fucking Carra ready. 525 00:26:33.359 --> 00:26:36.039 I don't think that's too common, And even if it is, 526 00:26:36.079 --> 00:26:39.240 I think they'd know that that's fucking crazy. Like for 527 00:26:39.279 --> 00:26:42.599 the betterment of the game, a pre patch probably helps 528 00:26:42.599 --> 00:26:45.000 more people out, gets more players back and stuff like that. 529 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.119 Yeah, I mean, as as Axtel's saying, Axtel, you're right, 530 00:26:48.799 --> 00:26:51.960 That's what the consensus absolutely was after the last TVC 531 00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:54.039 that the pre patch should be longer. That's why everyone's 532 00:26:54.039 --> 00:26:55.759 sort of up in arms about this. But like to 533 00:26:55.799 --> 00:26:58.000 be fair, we don't know how long the pre patch 534 00:26:58.079 --> 00:27:00.000 is going to last. They haven't announced that. It's just 535 00:27:00.079 --> 00:27:03.279 that the indicators seem to point towards a two week period, 536 00:27:03.279 --> 00:27:06.039 which would be greatly disappointing. Like all the boys are saying, 537 00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:09.000 and you know, like erdaps saying in twitch chat. You know, 538 00:27:09.119 --> 00:27:12.359 I'm our guild paladin tank, the designated Paladin Tank. I 539 00:27:12.359 --> 00:27:13.960 don't know if I can level the sixty in that 540 00:27:14.119 --> 00:27:17.079 time if it is only two weeks, maybe even if 541 00:27:17.079 --> 00:27:19.240 it's only four weeks, who knows, you might need the 542 00:27:19.279 --> 00:27:21.720 six week period to do that. But then, like we say, 543 00:27:22.319 --> 00:27:25.400 the shadowy you know, puppet strings being pulled behind this, 544 00:27:25.519 --> 00:27:28.799 behind the scenes, are meant to push you towards that boost. 545 00:27:28.880 --> 00:27:32.400 They want you getting frustrated, going, fuck, that's not enough 546 00:27:32.400 --> 00:27:34.799 time to level and I am our guild tank or 547 00:27:35.119 --> 00:27:37.119 I was going to reroll a blood Elf because I 548 00:27:37.160 --> 00:27:38.759 like the look of blood Elves, and they want you 549 00:27:38.880 --> 00:27:40.880 to get you know, to push, push, push in two 550 00:27:40.920 --> 00:27:43.640 weeks to level thirty and then throw your hands up 551 00:27:43.640 --> 00:27:45.599 in exasperation and go, fuck it, I've got to buy 552 00:27:45.640 --> 00:27:48.680 this boost and you can enjoy buying the boost at 553 00:27:48.720 --> 00:27:50.759 the low low price of what was the guy's seventy 554 00:27:50.839 --> 00:27:51.960 nine to ninety nine USD. 555 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:56.119 Yeah, the issue of the boost. I think if you're 556 00:27:56.240 --> 00:28:02.319 rolling Paladin or Shaman, you can't use the boost, So like, yeah, 557 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.599 what's the point. 558 00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:07.039 I was, Look, I'll throw myself on the barbecue here 559 00:28:07.079 --> 00:28:11.279 to be grilled. I was really confident, and I said 560 00:28:11.279 --> 00:28:13.720 to a bunch of you guys in private conversations over 561 00:28:13.759 --> 00:28:15.960 the last two weeks, I was really confident that they 562 00:28:16.000 --> 00:28:17.880 were going to go hell for leather in the boost 563 00:28:17.920 --> 00:28:20.960 department this time around. I was like, Look, they made 564 00:28:21.079 --> 00:28:23.519 that much fucking cash last time. I think they will 565 00:28:23.519 --> 00:28:27.119 be licking their fucking lips over the potential cash this 566 00:28:27.200 --> 00:28:31.160 time around, and they'll just go Yep, Sharman, Paladin, fucking 567 00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:33.839 boost it all. Have as many boosts you want. There 568 00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:37.359 are no rules on the boosters go ballistic, and they 569 00:28:37.440 --> 00:28:41.680 didn't do that. I am shocked by you know, they 570 00:28:41.839 --> 00:28:45.960 the company that is so fucking bottom line driven. I 571 00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:49.680 just I've been saying like people don't care the second 572 00:28:49.720 --> 00:28:52.839 time around with TBC, literally nobody gives a fuck if you, 573 00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.480 I genuinely feel again, if you'd said you can boost 574 00:28:56.519 --> 00:28:58.720 a shaman or a paladin, there would have been one 575 00:28:58.799 --> 00:29:00.759 or two people. I mean, you got there might be 576 00:29:00.799 --> 00:29:02.480 people in this room, you tell me. I think there 577 00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:04.240 would have been one or two fuck weeks on Reddit 578 00:29:04.319 --> 00:29:07.839 going this is antithetical to the fucking spirit of classic. Wow, 579 00:29:07.920 --> 00:29:10.200 why are you letting me boost a paladin or a shaman? 580 00:29:10.319 --> 00:29:12.279 This is bullshit blah blah blah, And they would have 581 00:29:12.319 --> 00:29:15.240 been drowned out by a thousand people going, who gives 582 00:29:15.279 --> 00:29:19.079 a fuck? Just fucking great, I'll boost a shaman or 583 00:29:19.119 --> 00:29:20.920 a palade and whatever. If I want to pay that price, 584 00:29:20.960 --> 00:29:23.599 I'll pay that price and I'll just do it. But 585 00:29:23.640 --> 00:29:25.160 they didn't do it, and a lot of. 586 00:29:25.039 --> 00:29:28.759 People would have hit that price. Like there's quite a 587 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:30.839 few people on my guild that are going shaman or 588 00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.880 rolling shampan, and a few that are just rolling Terrena 589 00:29:34.039 --> 00:29:35.200 because that's what they want to do. 590 00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:37.119 So why do you think, why do you think they've 591 00:29:37.119 --> 00:29:39.319 done it yet? 592 00:29:40.160 --> 00:29:43.519 I couldn't tell you. It doesn't make any sense at all, baffling, 593 00:29:43.640 --> 00:29:47.359 Like if you're going for a shorter pre patch, maybe 594 00:29:47.359 --> 00:29:49.559 you just don't feel like making a change. I don't know, 595 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:52.480 but like, the shorter the pre patch is, the more likely. 596 00:29:52.519 --> 00:29:56.640 I thought that Shaman and Paladin would get the boost. 597 00:29:57.200 --> 00:29:59.480 The pre patch was coming soon and it was going 598 00:29:59.559 --> 00:30:02.880 to be longer. That's when I think, like, oh, they're 599 00:30:02.880 --> 00:30:04.319 just gonna leave it the same. I'm not gonna let 600 00:30:04.319 --> 00:30:06.119 you boost it because you have six weeks to do it. 601 00:30:06.880 --> 00:30:08.960 That's where again I'm going to put on you know, 602 00:30:09.039 --> 00:30:12.799 do my role playing here and ubiquitous. Can you play? 603 00:30:14.359 --> 00:30:18.119 Let's say you play I don't know Tim or someone right, 604 00:30:18.160 --> 00:30:22.160 and you fucking step into my office and I go, yeah, 605 00:30:22.200 --> 00:30:25.200 thanks for coming in, Tim. It's it's me Josh from 606 00:30:25.279 --> 00:30:29.759 fucking Sea, sweet mate. I see that you guys are 607 00:30:30.039 --> 00:30:33.880 limiting the boosts so that people can't do Paladins and 608 00:30:34.119 --> 00:30:37.000 Shamo Lamalamalans or whatever the fuck you nerds call it. 609 00:30:38.079 --> 00:30:40.440 Aren't we interested in making more money? 610 00:30:42.599 --> 00:30:48.000 Ah? Yes, we should be. I'll have to check with 611 00:30:48.039 --> 00:30:51.519 a grend while we're not selling these. You've kind of 612 00:30:51.559 --> 00:30:53.640 got me stumped in the role playing. I'm like, you're 613 00:30:53.640 --> 00:30:54.920 baffling me with this question. 614 00:30:55.119 --> 00:30:57.559 Yeah. Sorry, no, it's a bad role play. But I'm 615 00:30:57.599 --> 00:31:01.319 just if I'm the c sweet guy, I'm just going again, 616 00:31:01.799 --> 00:31:05.000 who fucking cares? Like again, I'm gonna sorry if I 617 00:31:05.039 --> 00:31:07.240 offend people here, but I'm just gonna say this as 618 00:31:07.359 --> 00:31:11.839 a soulless executive and go fucking bleed the nerds dry. 619 00:31:12.119 --> 00:31:14.920 Every single one of these fucking cunts is gonna buy 620 00:31:14.960 --> 00:31:18.039 this thing, and they're not gonna, you know, get angry 621 00:31:18.119 --> 00:31:20.279 at us like they did four years ago about the 622 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:22.799 sanctity of the fucking game. They've all done it before 623 00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:25.559 and literally none of them give a shit. Just fucking 624 00:31:25.640 --> 00:31:28.160 let them do it. You'll fucking up the revenue from 625 00:31:28.200 --> 00:31:31.200 the boost by what fifty minimum? 626 00:31:32.200 --> 00:31:34.839 I think we need, we need someone that's like an 627 00:31:34.880 --> 00:31:39.000 active anniversary stand to defend their ecosystem. As to why 628 00:31:39.039 --> 00:31:41.319 it would be a horrible idea, but I mean, I'm 629 00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:44.480 I'm I am exactly that. Like the first time round, 630 00:31:45.559 --> 00:31:48.000 everyone was a bit I think that would be a 631 00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:49.960 bit too crazy. You know, if you want to be 632 00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:52.680 a blood elf Pali for Launch, I respect the hustle 633 00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:55.240 that they got to sixty in fucking two weeks and 634 00:31:55.319 --> 00:31:57.480 went ham. That was kind of fun in its own 635 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.240 wacky way. But now like this time round, I'm just 636 00:32:00.279 --> 00:32:04.359 like a big old fucking accessibility band of just like nah, 637 00:32:04.440 --> 00:32:07.599 whatever gets more cunts involved, a like, if it means 638 00:32:07.599 --> 00:32:10.240 that more people are playing and you know, you can 639 00:32:10.279 --> 00:32:12.599 get more of your guild back because that's what they 640 00:32:12.599 --> 00:32:15.519 want to play and get in the boost is the 641 00:32:15.559 --> 00:32:18.480 difference or not. But there's there's multiple ways to go 642 00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:21.200 around it. You could have again, if it's a longer 643 00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:25.160 pre patch, you could just like lock the boost for 644 00:32:25.279 --> 00:32:29.039 Shamans and Palis to only like two weeks before and 645 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:31.200 then that way you can only get like a lockout 646 00:32:31.279 --> 00:32:35.480 or two done before going to Outlands. But if it 647 00:32:35.519 --> 00:32:38.039 is just a two week pre patch anyway, then just 648 00:32:38.079 --> 00:32:40.960 open the floodgates at the start, because I don't think 649 00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:44.680 there's that many guys on Anniversary that would give a shit. Again, 650 00:32:44.759 --> 00:32:47.400 it's the trade off of like, you know, would ar 651 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:50.680 Coss grumble that the boost is there? Or would Arkosts 652 00:32:50.799 --> 00:32:54.279 be happy that like ten more guilties came back because 653 00:32:54.279 --> 00:32:58.400 the boost was there, what would be the preference for 654 00:32:58.440 --> 00:32:59.880 the anniversary enjoy. 655 00:33:02.279 --> 00:33:06.000 Yeah, I'll trigger some people straight off the bat here 656 00:33:06.039 --> 00:33:10.880 and just say, like, while I'm still funny with the boost, 657 00:33:11.079 --> 00:33:14.920 you know this is not Josh on the show now 658 00:33:15.039 --> 00:33:18.960 advocating for how good a boosts, I'm just like putting on. 659 00:33:19.000 --> 00:33:23.079 Like I said, from that Blizzard perspective, I am shocked, 660 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.559 like mouth a gape that they didn't do this from 661 00:33:26.640 --> 00:33:30.240 the company that covets you know, finance over everything else, 662 00:33:31.240 --> 00:33:33.519 so that that's the only reason I'm left fucking scratching 663 00:33:33.519 --> 00:33:37.079 my head, going this is bizah. But now Arcos is 664 00:33:37.119 --> 00:33:38.880 here in the crowd, I'll be able to say this much. 665 00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:42.440 I don't want to dwell on this. I just just 666 00:33:42.920 --> 00:33:46.440 for a very tongue in cheek moment because we had 667 00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:50.400 the big pay to win argument recently regarding Bronze Beard, 668 00:33:51.000 --> 00:33:52.880 I just want to say, like I think someone said 669 00:33:52.920 --> 00:33:55.200 the other day that like I can't remember where I 670 00:33:55.240 --> 00:33:57.640 saw it, like the boost isn't pay to win, and 671 00:33:57.680 --> 00:34:01.720 I'm like brother in TVC with the professions and like, 672 00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:04.680 you know, let's say that the tailoring cool down or 673 00:34:04.720 --> 00:34:08.119 what have you like, you don't think that's pay to win, 674 00:34:08.480 --> 00:34:10.559 Like that's you know, vestige. Do you want to do 675 00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:11.719 you want to help me out here, brother? 676 00:34:13.199 --> 00:34:16.360 Yeah, I didn't see as it is still pay to 677 00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.599 win in his essence, but I didn't think it was 678 00:34:19.880 --> 00:34:23.920 that much pay to win, as in, everybody's already cleared 679 00:34:23.960 --> 00:34:27.880 that content, so therefore it's just skipping the content to 680 00:34:27.880 --> 00:34:29.320 get to the current content. 681 00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.239 So now we're grading pay to wins like Earthquakes, Like 682 00:34:32.280 --> 00:34:33.960 is it a six point six on the rich scale? 683 00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:35.119 Win is always a scale? 684 00:34:35.719 --> 00:34:38.000 Come on, No, you're either get the label or not. 685 00:34:38.239 --> 00:34:39.440 It's it's black and white. 686 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:42.559 I mean you could say, yeah, well, I mean there's 687 00:34:42.559 --> 00:34:45.360 gonna be always some sort of pay to win in 688 00:34:45.440 --> 00:34:50.199 a game, no matter what you know. The current versions 689 00:34:50.199 --> 00:34:54.320 of the game have absolute pay to wins already, So 690 00:34:56.199 --> 00:34:58.079 I mean, I don't know what you say. Let's say, okay, 691 00:34:58.119 --> 00:35:00.000 there's no goal buying. Well, there is goalbuying in the game, 692 00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.800 so therefore that's pay to win. Okay, go buy and exists, 693 00:35:02.800 --> 00:35:05.559 So therefore there's paid to win in the game. So 694 00:35:06.280 --> 00:35:08.920 what then do you stop playing Anniversary because there's paid 695 00:35:08.920 --> 00:35:09.119 to win? 696 00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:10.320 All right? 697 00:35:10.360 --> 00:35:12.559 I smell a rabbit hole cooking. So I'm going to 698 00:35:12.599 --> 00:35:16.599 take a quick side step a very I'm hitting a 699 00:35:16.800 --> 00:35:19.880 one on my controller for the mad and Duke around 700 00:35:19.880 --> 00:35:20.400 this topic. 701 00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:23.280 You guys both just did a very good job of 702 00:35:23.400 --> 00:35:26.480 I immediately ping ponged between the two of like, damn, 703 00:35:26.559 --> 00:35:30.480 he is right. Probably shouldn't sell me five boosts because 704 00:35:30.519 --> 00:35:33.920 then I will have just like Original TVC my four 705 00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:37.119 tailors in Shadow Moon Valley pumping out my yeah fucking 706 00:35:37.119 --> 00:35:39.400 shadow Weave or whatever it is. But then he said 707 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:40.840 that everyone else is buying gold, and you go, you 708 00:35:40.880 --> 00:35:42.400 know what, I should be allowed to cheat toes. 709 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:44.679 Very good. 710 00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:45.679 We'll see that thought. 711 00:35:45.679 --> 00:35:49.360 I'm saying, like, okay, if there's one boost, I'm like, okay, 712 00:35:49.440 --> 00:35:51.599 I could find live with one a boost per account. 713 00:35:51.679 --> 00:35:52.880 Okay, I could live with that. 714 00:35:53.360 --> 00:35:55.079 But they're like, oh yeah, you could boost as many 715 00:35:55.079 --> 00:35:57.480 time as you want, all the accounts, Drane or a 716 00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:58.000 Blood album. 717 00:35:58.000 --> 00:36:00.000 I'm like, yeah, I think that's. 718 00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.440 So there's a scale here that you got to go down, 719 00:36:03.480 --> 00:36:05.800 you know, if it gets too far one way, I'm like, 720 00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:07.559 that's not what I want. 721 00:36:07.800 --> 00:36:10.039 Just so I will get to everyone, I promise. I 722 00:36:10.079 --> 00:36:11.800 know a lot of you are very politely sitting there 723 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:14.400 quietly waiting for your chance. But we will get to everyone. 724 00:36:14.480 --> 00:36:16.840 I just want to grab this person before they fall asleep, 725 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:20.400 because if you didn't feel the room get colder just then, 726 00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.159 and dogs start barking in the neighboring properties, and the 727 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:28.280 bats start flying overhead and wolves. How Arcos has just 728 00:36:28.519 --> 00:36:30.599 entered the room. Arcos, Hello, how. 729 00:36:30.480 --> 00:36:30.840 Are you. 730 00:36:32.480 --> 00:36:32.679 Hey? 731 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.480 I heard the I could feel in my moother's that 732 00:36:36.519 --> 00:36:39.760 my name had been invoked just earlier. Yes, I just 733 00:36:39.840 --> 00:36:44.519 had to show up. And it's like when he should 734 00:36:44.559 --> 00:36:47.719 not be named for it exactly. 735 00:36:46.639 --> 00:36:48.880 Your dick started itching more than usual. 736 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:51.119 Yeah, exactly. 737 00:36:51.159 --> 00:36:53.639 Okay, mat, Can I just get you to describe a 738 00:36:53.639 --> 00:36:56.079 little bit about can you individualize some of the items 739 00:36:56.079 --> 00:36:57.840 and the prices that you've seen on your server? 740 00:36:59.519 --> 00:37:05.960 Sure? If I maybe start at the beginning, if you 741 00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.480 started maybe in day one, and you in day one 742 00:37:09.519 --> 00:37:12.719 of honey, and like when everyone was on an even keel, 743 00:37:12.840 --> 00:37:18.159 and there wasn't necessarily like gold for sail, right or 744 00:37:18.159 --> 00:37:22.119 like not not that much anyway, maybe you survived for 745 00:37:22.199 --> 00:37:25.800 a while and you were able to get yourself up 746 00:37:25.840 --> 00:37:31.559 some farms or some like crafts on different professions to 747 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.639 sustain you for a bit. If you play very casually 748 00:37:34.679 --> 00:37:37.920 if you don't use consumables of course, like you don't 749 00:37:37.920 --> 00:37:40.760 really need cold at all. If you don't rate, even 750 00:37:40.800 --> 00:37:42.840 if there's no there's not not much use for it. 751 00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.360 But I can. I can open the oxygens in the 752 00:37:47.440 --> 00:37:51.239 year right now, and Alex, Heir of the Mongoose, Like, 753 00:37:51.320 --> 00:37:55.400 the last time I was reading was twenty seven gold each. Yep, 754 00:37:56.239 --> 00:38:00.559 it's down to like fifteen now for me it's seven. 755 00:38:00.360 --> 00:38:01.079 Does fltuate? 756 00:38:01.239 --> 00:38:03.079 It's seven on dream size right now? 757 00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:09.840 Yeah, winter for firewater, we're talking thirteen colds for twenty 758 00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:12.960 minutes a puff. I would say it fluctuates a plus 759 00:38:13.000 --> 00:38:18.880 nine five. Let's actually see the Mighty Trolls blood portion, 760 00:38:19.000 --> 00:38:23.719 which is like fifteen hps or something. But I'm going 761 00:38:23.719 --> 00:38:26.760 to open up to them. The crafting involve me. So 762 00:38:27.159 --> 00:38:30.559 you if you just look at like stat alexirs right, 763 00:38:31.320 --> 00:38:34.239 like you've got Major Trolls pop portion it's twenty health 764 00:38:34.400 --> 00:38:38.039 every five seconds, like you're your average person might not 765 00:38:38.800 --> 00:38:42.239 use a portion like this. This is like eight to 766 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:45.559 fifteen cold a pop, right, And I would never enter 767 00:38:45.559 --> 00:38:50.119 a rate without five of everything, right, alexro superior defense. 768 00:38:50.199 --> 00:38:52.679 It increases your armor by four hundred and fifty four 769 00:38:52.719 --> 00:38:55.719 an hour, same price. You're talking like forty to fifty 770 00:38:55.760 --> 00:38:59.199 gold a stack. Right. I don't use Elixir of Chance 771 00:38:59.199 --> 00:39:01.880 because I'm modified. I can cock. I use the eCos. 772 00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.719 They're like sixty six gold apiece and they last for 773 00:39:04.760 --> 00:39:09.719 twenty minutes instead of an hour. Flasks of Flask of 774 00:39:09.800 --> 00:39:12.159 the Titans has been around one hundred and eighty gold each. 775 00:39:12.320 --> 00:39:15.400 Elextro of the fortitude two three gold. They're pretty cheap 776 00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:18.159 to make. Like I said before, Mongo's twenty seven gold. 777 00:39:19.559 --> 00:39:23.199 You've got sharpening stones for crit those are like twelve 778 00:39:23.239 --> 00:39:27.239 gold each last for thirty minutes. You've got frost oil. 779 00:39:27.280 --> 00:39:30.000 If you're doing AQ, you got of course every resistance 780 00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:32.639 portion and like the first one is like a gold 781 00:39:33.039 --> 00:39:37.440 the nature shadow, they're about the ten gold each. You'll 782 00:39:37.440 --> 00:39:42.440 probably use two or three every rate. Let's see what more. 783 00:39:43.159 --> 00:39:46.800 If you're reading knucks, you need electro of poison resistance 784 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:50.039 that's like two three gold each, and like it's on use. 785 00:39:50.239 --> 00:39:52.119 So like every time you have a poison on you, 786 00:39:52.119 --> 00:39:54.239 you have it macrod into your abilities so that it 787 00:39:54.280 --> 00:39:57.079 immediately removes the poison so you don't get like one shot. 788 00:39:57.920 --> 00:40:00.840 I might go through fifteen of these in one next one, 789 00:40:01.239 --> 00:40:05.320 I'll probably use five lips there's six gold. It's I'll 790 00:40:05.440 --> 00:40:08.960 use three four paps they are two three gold each. 791 00:40:10.639 --> 00:40:12.960 I'll probably use ten to fifteen my de race postion 792 00:40:13.199 --> 00:40:20.599 that's three gold each. Yeah, Like I don't know where 793 00:40:20.639 --> 00:40:22.280 more to go, like if if I go into spell 794 00:40:22.360 --> 00:40:23.679 par alexirs, like. 795 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.679 Yeah, yeahs asz As Cazalar is saying, as Cazalara is saying, though, 796 00:40:27.719 --> 00:40:29.960 as is it. And I've seen this around a lot 797 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:33.079 on Reddit. Is it the case that everything this is 798 00:40:33.159 --> 00:40:35.400 just now everything was a lot more expensive a couple 799 00:40:35.440 --> 00:40:36.320 of weeks ago. 800 00:40:38.440 --> 00:40:41.199 Yess. I've been steadily going down and save for the 801 00:40:41.239 --> 00:40:46.920 past seven eight days, like there will be like Wednesday afternoon, 802 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:50.159 it's it goes up, right, Like I bought lips yesterday 803 00:40:50.159 --> 00:40:53.760 for seven gold each and today there are like four 804 00:40:53.760 --> 00:40:56.440 gold dads right, so that there is fluctuation. It is 805 00:40:56.480 --> 00:41:00.239 going down. I don't know if they changed some spot 806 00:41:00.440 --> 00:41:04.440 or if some big networks with a lot of materials 807 00:41:04.519 --> 00:41:07.920 got a band or something who knows mate countdowns. 808 00:41:07.960 --> 00:41:10.239 Beloved priest talk star wants to know what's a sappa? 809 00:41:10.280 --> 00:41:16.760 Set your back on your server's. 810 00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:23.599 See they are three gold sixty eight. There you go, 811 00:41:25.159 --> 00:41:28.119 So it's like thirty six gold thirty It's cool. 812 00:41:28.559 --> 00:41:32.000 Rab Can I just spread the love round to the room? 813 00:41:32.719 --> 00:41:34.920 Please yell out? Guys if you if you're green, I'm 814 00:41:34.920 --> 00:41:36.599 fuck you. I might throw it to you. Have you 815 00:41:36.639 --> 00:41:38.199 been listening green? Are you right? If I ask you 816 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:38.599 a question? 817 00:41:40.079 --> 00:41:40.440 What's up? 818 00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:41.360 Mate? 819 00:41:41.400 --> 00:41:43.239 Just if you heard a lot of those prices, I'm 820 00:41:43.280 --> 00:41:45.280 just wondering. Off the calf, We'll throw it around the room. 821 00:41:45.639 --> 00:41:48.079 How does all of that sound price wise to you? Guys? 822 00:41:48.159 --> 00:41:49.840 You know I don't raid you guys raid you know 823 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:52.039 more than me. Does that disgust you when you hear 824 00:41:52.079 --> 00:41:52.599 some of that shit? 825 00:41:54.519 --> 00:41:58.280 It sounds really awful, especially like a plastic Titans being 826 00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:04.320 on this two hundred gold piece is pretty ridiculous. 827 00:42:05.719 --> 00:42:08.679 Yeah, and unplayable to me. 828 00:42:10.639 --> 00:42:17.159 The flash the worst thing. Like it's probably easier to 829 00:42:17.320 --> 00:42:21.119 get a black Lotos than it is to get a 830 00:42:21.119 --> 00:42:28.199 playboom running. You won't get anything. It's just horrible. 831 00:42:29.039 --> 00:42:31.519 Even in the middle of the night, like I'm I'm 832 00:42:32.679 --> 00:42:35.320 I'm behind server time right, so like they are one 833 00:42:35.320 --> 00:42:37.960 hour ahead of me sometimes and I've been online like 834 00:42:38.000 --> 00:42:40.039 at one a m. And the person in my guild 835 00:42:40.119 --> 00:42:42.679 is running up and down fellow fellow with complaining like 836 00:42:43.239 --> 00:42:45.039 I've been here for two hours. I don't even have 837 00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.239 one stack, Like they're getting nothing. It's just all getting picked. 838 00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:52.320 Twenty four Yes, play Bloom is forty gold a stack 839 00:42:52.400 --> 00:42:55.840 on fucking dream Size. 840 00:42:57.840 --> 00:42:58.360 Let's check. 841 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:03.559 Running back to mister, should be around like eighty to 842 00:43:03.679 --> 00:43:04.239 eighty five. 843 00:43:08.639 --> 00:43:12.159 Yeah, one Night Slayer you're looking at. 844 00:43:13.280 --> 00:43:17.400 It's the cheapest stuck right now is seventy five gold. 845 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:20.559 Jesus Christ, it's ninety five on Nights Players, seventy five 846 00:43:20.599 --> 00:43:23.320 on AU and fucking forty on dream Size. 847 00:43:23.599 --> 00:43:25.840 Oh it dropped, It dropped in half. 848 00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:32.480 The different this is close to them. 849 00:43:33.440 --> 00:43:36.079 Yeah, so yeah, does that make dream sythe seem a 850 00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:37.199 little bit more appealing? 851 00:43:38.400 --> 00:43:39.599 No, no, no, no Ah, you. 852 00:43:39.639 --> 00:43:41.840 Fucking piece of ship. We'll get you. We'll get you, 853 00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:42.679 son of a bitch. 854 00:43:44.079 --> 00:43:47.960 Yeah. But to go back to the like the what 855 00:43:48.159 --> 00:43:52.920 prompted this comparison, right, Like, I understand that a lot 856 00:43:52.960 --> 00:43:54.880 of listeners and a lot of people in the discord 857 00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:59.679 they they don't necessarily play really hardcore or like they 858 00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.239 might not want to bring all consumables. 859 00:44:03.280 --> 00:44:03.480 You can. 860 00:44:03.559 --> 00:44:05.559 You can just call us cocks it's okay. 861 00:44:06.480 --> 00:44:08.719 Yeah, yeah, Like you're sitting in the cacchair and you're 862 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:13.159 watching the Real Raiders with your wife, right, the. 863 00:44:13.199 --> 00:44:15.199 Real Raiders of Orange County. 864 00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:22.440 Yeah, go on, yeah exactly. But like for the player 865 00:44:22.480 --> 00:44:25.719 base that wants to perform, for the player base that 866 00:44:25.760 --> 00:44:28.760 wants to be competitive or you know, wants to compare 867 00:44:28.800 --> 00:44:33.119 themselves against others improve their own performance, yeah yeah, right, 868 00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.920 Like this is just the reality, and you don't really 869 00:44:37.360 --> 00:44:39.159 have the tools, or at least they don't feel like 870 00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:42.360 you have the tools to make a difference about it, right, 871 00:44:42.400 --> 00:44:45.280 Like you you make a choice either you want to 872 00:44:45.320 --> 00:44:48.239 play like this or you don't. And if you want 873 00:44:48.320 --> 00:44:51.199 to play like this, you either have to be like 874 00:44:51.360 --> 00:44:56.639 terminally online farming gold somehow and still it's rough like 875 00:44:56.760 --> 00:44:59.800 making and meat, or you just have to buy the 876 00:45:00.079 --> 00:45:03.760 let me say, like everyone's doing it anyway, I'm just 877 00:45:03.800 --> 00:45:07.159 gonna do it as well. And what I saw like 878 00:45:07.639 --> 00:45:10.480 early and I posted about this as well, is that 879 00:45:11.960 --> 00:45:16.440 GDKP isn't gone, like it's there. You just have to 880 00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.440 look behind the hood. You have to pay people like directly, 881 00:45:21.480 --> 00:45:24.679 you don't pay them with gold, you have to pay 882 00:45:24.719 --> 00:45:29.760 pal them Like I'm I frequent one pug right, I 883 00:45:29.800 --> 00:45:32.360 don't buy items from from the guy, but he did 884 00:45:32.400 --> 00:45:34.920 offer me and he gave me like the lowdown of 885 00:45:34.920 --> 00:45:38.280 how they did it. And I can pay with crypto, 886 00:45:38.400 --> 00:45:42.199 I can pay with PayPal, I can legit wire transfer 887 00:45:42.280 --> 00:45:45.400 him like with an ipand like international wire transfer number. 888 00:45:45.599 --> 00:45:51.440 But I don't think that's a better situation for the 889 00:45:51.480 --> 00:45:57.039 game to be in than are your old school gdkp right, Like, 890 00:45:57.079 --> 00:46:00.760 I think that's a better place for players to be 891 00:46:00.840 --> 00:46:05.000 in because they're not even though it's not necessarily many people, 892 00:46:05.079 --> 00:46:09.480 but at least you don't really have these things going 893 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.760 on like under the hood where people are like transferring 894 00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:18.400 like irol money in between like personally right all through 895 00:46:19.239 --> 00:46:24.280 Classic TPC and DRATH, I attended GDKPECE or I made 896 00:46:24.320 --> 00:46:27.440 farms for I play the oxygens and using my professions 897 00:46:27.519 --> 00:46:32.079 and the stuff like that. And I think the pots 898 00:46:32.119 --> 00:46:36.599 really learned from that, like don't allow players to get 899 00:46:36.639 --> 00:46:40.639 access to materials like to play the oxens. Like they've 900 00:46:40.719 --> 00:46:43.360 just learned that they need to completely shut you out 901 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:47.199 from the market. And this is the result. 902 00:46:47.559 --> 00:46:52.000 Right, guys look to be fair just talking about the 903 00:46:52.039 --> 00:46:54.719 prices and the cost of rating. For Dad raiders in 904 00:46:54.719 --> 00:46:58.440 this day and age, did anything Arcos said, resonate with you, guys. 905 00:46:58.480 --> 00:47:00.559 I'd love to start an extended conversation about, you know, 906 00:47:00.599 --> 00:47:03.760 the outrageous prices of consumables. You know, and we all know, 907 00:47:03.840 --> 00:47:06.000 you know it's because of bots and fucking IRNT and 908 00:47:06.039 --> 00:47:07.800 all that shit. But it does seem to be more 909 00:47:07.840 --> 00:47:12.000 prevalent on the more serious servers, being like the PvP servers. 910 00:47:12.039 --> 00:47:14.239 Like I said, the PvE service seems to be not 911 00:47:14.360 --> 00:47:17.880 quite as affected by this drastic inflation. How has this, 912 00:47:18.000 --> 00:47:20.159 all of this stuff affected the way that you guys 913 00:47:20.199 --> 00:47:24.320 are approaching and have played anniversary or are approaching TBC anniversary. 914 00:47:26.239 --> 00:47:30.000 If I was, if I were to be trying to 915 00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:32.599 write an anniversary, I would one thousand percent be buying 916 00:47:32.639 --> 00:47:35.639 gold if that's the current environment. I don't know if 917 00:47:35.639 --> 00:47:38.119 it's also a shift in my pessimism just towards Blizzard, 918 00:47:38.159 --> 00:47:39.880 the fact that they've let this happen. It's kind of 919 00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:42.800 like a fine, you've made the bed, you shit in 920 00:47:42.840 --> 00:47:45.800 it while I was sleeping in it, Well fuck you, 921 00:47:45.880 --> 00:47:47.840 And then I wouldn't even care if I got banned, 922 00:47:47.840 --> 00:47:52.159 because like they've let this happen. It would be interesting 923 00:47:52.199 --> 00:47:54.760 to know, Like with the Plague Bloom situation, I remember 924 00:47:54.800 --> 00:47:57.159 farming them when they were seventeen gold a pop, like 925 00:47:57.360 --> 00:48:05.039 one Plague Bloom seventeen gold in twenty nineteen, and I 926 00:48:05.199 --> 00:48:07.639 just I don't understand. Is it a case of like, 927 00:48:08.079 --> 00:48:11.559 have they actually broken the spawn rate and not realized it? 928 00:48:11.599 --> 00:48:15.840 Like has anyone checked on Plague Bloom Corp. And their production? 929 00:48:16.039 --> 00:48:19.719 Is the server actually fucking working properly, or is it 930 00:48:19.760 --> 00:48:22.360 actually boded to shit and they're getting HERBD from underneath 931 00:48:22.360 --> 00:48:24.840 the map? Either way, I'm sure like a little fucking 932 00:48:24.840 --> 00:48:26.519 GM could go for a swim through the land and 933 00:48:27.119 --> 00:48:30.400 find some bots and maybe fix it up. But either way, 934 00:48:30.440 --> 00:48:33.320 it's still it's Blizzard server. And the thing that's really 935 00:48:33.360 --> 00:48:37.079 disappointing is that then it's not like Classic where well 936 00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:41.400 we had like thirty fucking servers. You're watching one or 937 00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:45.119 two servers. I'm sure you can keep those ponds clear, 938 00:48:45.320 --> 00:48:47.679 if you know what I mean. So that's just all 939 00:48:47.679 --> 00:48:50.400 a part of just I don't know. I'm just disappointed 940 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:52.960 in the fact that they can't even get two servers 941 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:56.159 to not be infested cesspools. 942 00:48:57.320 --> 00:48:59.239 Anyone else on that before I take years you go, 943 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.199 oh sorry. 944 00:49:00.679 --> 00:49:04.119 Can I interject with the like, of course, it's difficult 945 00:49:04.239 --> 00:49:09.480 to definitively say yeah, it's it's spots a lot rather 946 00:49:09.559 --> 00:49:15.039 than just the spawn rates. But like I host twenty 947 00:49:15.039 --> 00:49:16.960 month rates a lot, so I'm in the looking group 948 00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:20.320 group channel, I'm like finding packed players to do Silk 949 00:49:20.320 --> 00:49:26.079 group and the AQ twenty a lot. And like I 950 00:49:26.159 --> 00:49:29.559 after like two weeks of doing it, I started like 951 00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.760 every time a mage or a hunter would whisper me, 952 00:49:33.239 --> 00:49:36.400 I would always ask them like premptively, like if I 953 00:49:36.440 --> 00:49:40.599 sent you a capture, can you solve it? And like 954 00:49:40.679 --> 00:49:43.280 the intention wasn't for me to actually send them a 955 00:49:43.320 --> 00:49:45.239 cups and for them to actually solve it. But it's 956 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:50.000 just their reaction, right, because the pots aren't just like 957 00:49:50.119 --> 00:49:52.519 mindless programs now that are running from point A to 958 00:49:52.559 --> 00:49:55.199 be like herping or mining, like they are going into 959 00:49:55.199 --> 00:49:57.679 twenty more and forty month rates. They are active in 960 00:49:57.719 --> 00:50:01.079 the looking looking for group tool, getting into runs, doing 961 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:05.880 software serves like helping the rate exactly mil like they 962 00:50:06.119 --> 00:50:11.159 don't provide any value and just getting geared. And then 963 00:50:11.199 --> 00:50:17.159 they're posting the accounts on TTTT for sale. The amount 964 00:50:17.239 --> 00:50:20.239 of whispers that I get, especially from mates and hunters, 965 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:22.679 Like every time that I create a group, they always 966 00:50:22.840 --> 00:50:26.480 and every sentence with sure, like do you need a mate? 967 00:50:26.559 --> 00:50:26.760 Sure? 968 00:50:26.880 --> 00:50:31.239 Seven six eight gear score or whatever? Right, I have 969 00:50:31.639 --> 00:50:33.639 needed to envite them a few times and before I 970 00:50:33.760 --> 00:50:35.239 figured it out right, like I had a few in 971 00:50:35.280 --> 00:50:38.559 the rate, and they are just keep returning, pressing three 972 00:50:38.599 --> 00:50:41.079 frost balls of post fight. They're not like te cursing. 973 00:50:41.079 --> 00:50:44.559 They don't answer like dms or messages until you're like 974 00:50:44.599 --> 00:50:46.639 threaten to kick them or something, and they then they're 975 00:50:46.679 --> 00:50:49.199 all surprised, like I'll do better. I'll do better. But 976 00:50:50.079 --> 00:50:53.199 it's when you start looking for it. It's easy to spot. 977 00:50:54.159 --> 00:50:58.440 But like they are legitimately everywhere and not just farming herbs, 978 00:50:58.480 --> 00:51:00.639 like the pods are every really were. 979 00:51:03.280 --> 00:51:07.079 All right, I'll take us down a quick tangent galley. 980 00:51:07.280 --> 00:51:10.679 I trust me. That's a two hour argument for another day. 981 00:51:10.760 --> 00:51:13.159 You know, I'm with you, brother on the whole where 982 00:51:13.199 --> 00:51:15.679 I've raised it on the show before going. But guys, 983 00:51:15.719 --> 00:51:18.119 we don't need consumables to clear the content. That is 984 00:51:18.119 --> 00:51:21.559 a hairy topic for another day. That will get Arcos 985 00:51:21.679 --> 00:51:23.960 very triggered, and I don't want to do that today. 986 00:51:24.039 --> 00:51:27.599 So but just know that I love you, and you know, 987 00:51:27.719 --> 00:51:29.920 we're on the same wavelength there, Galley in terms of 988 00:51:29.920 --> 00:51:31.719 our attitudes towards consumables. 989 00:51:32.639 --> 00:51:34.880 Yeah, and he kind of acknowledged that too, so so 990 00:51:35.119 --> 00:51:36.840 I think I think we are also kind of on 991 00:51:36.960 --> 00:51:39.119 the same page. But you know, I'll just be in 992 00:51:39.320 --> 00:51:40.800 kind of the other side. 993 00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:44.199 It's it's just it's a test right now. It really 994 00:51:44.280 --> 00:51:47.360 is the greatest litmus test right now on how far 995 00:51:47.440 --> 00:51:50.159 will you go to get your high scores in this game? 996 00:51:50.280 --> 00:51:52.119 And a lot of the player base is proving that 997 00:51:52.159 --> 00:51:57.320 the answer is quite far. So I just want to 998 00:51:57.360 --> 00:52:01.559 ask a real quick tangential question flowing on from what 999 00:52:01.719 --> 00:52:03.480 Arcos rais, and a lot of you have brought this up, 1000 00:52:03.519 --> 00:52:06.800 going like, look, something funny really does seem to be 1001 00:52:06.800 --> 00:52:10.960 happening with the gathering market in that it appears that 1002 00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:14.280 there's just more than ever before bots just claiming everything 1003 00:52:14.360 --> 00:52:17.320 from under the ground, from whatever. These nodes just are 1004 00:52:17.360 --> 00:52:20.719 not out there. I've seen countless posts to the point 1005 00:52:20.719 --> 00:52:23.519 that like, you can't you can't be dismissive of it 1006 00:52:23.559 --> 00:52:27.480 when you see this many people complaining about it. It's 1007 00:52:27.519 --> 00:52:31.320 not you know, one or two anomalies out there who 1008 00:52:31.559 --> 00:52:34.079 you know wouldn't know how to fucking gather if they 1009 00:52:34.199 --> 00:52:37.280 got a fucking manual on it. It's a lot of 1010 00:52:37.280 --> 00:52:39.679 players going, look, i am sitting down for a one 1011 00:52:39.719 --> 00:52:43.480 hour session, I'm going out to look for herbs and 1012 00:52:43.719 --> 00:52:47.159 or and I'm coming back with like, you know, half 1013 00:52:47.159 --> 00:52:49.800 a stack after half an hour or an hour, and 1014 00:52:49.880 --> 00:52:52.599 it's it's like something weird is going on and it's 1015 00:52:52.599 --> 00:52:55.679 gotten out of control. So my only question from this is, like, 1016 00:52:56.880 --> 00:53:01.119 has something gotten so out of control under Blizzard's watch 1017 00:53:01.119 --> 00:53:04.719 in terms of, you know, affecting a really key market 1018 00:53:04.880 --> 00:53:08.559 in gathering, Like, is it a bad, bad, bad choice 1019 00:53:08.599 --> 00:53:12.280 by a player to consider gathering in TBC because I've 1020 00:53:12.400 --> 00:53:14.639 I know that I have been scared away from it. 1021 00:53:14.679 --> 00:53:17.280 I am captain gatherer. You guys know that I love 1022 00:53:17.360 --> 00:53:19.559 nothing more than running out for a while and picking 1023 00:53:19.639 --> 00:53:23.320 up herbs and mine and mining are But for the 1024 00:53:23.360 --> 00:53:25.360 first time in a long time, I've read the tea 1025 00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:28.760 leaves and gone, oh, like, something's going on with the 1026 00:53:28.800 --> 00:53:32.440 bots in Anniversary. I'm not touching a gathering profession. I'll 1027 00:53:32.480 --> 00:53:34.840 just go skinning, which is, you know, maybe the easier 1028 00:53:34.880 --> 00:53:36.840 gathering profession because you've actually got to do something to 1029 00:53:36.880 --> 00:53:40.559 get the shit. What do you guys think on that. 1030 00:53:41.800 --> 00:53:44.760 If you have a druid or a druidult like you 1031 00:53:44.840 --> 00:53:47.280 stand a chance. Otherwise, don't do it. 1032 00:53:49.960 --> 00:53:55.000 They said that they have boosted terror cone spawn locations 1033 00:53:55.079 --> 00:53:58.480 and spawn rage. Yes, but I was a herber and 1034 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:03.119 original TBC and that was the draw that broke the 1035 00:54:03.199 --> 00:54:07.360 camel's back of just like literally you're on your epic 1036 00:54:07.440 --> 00:54:10.239 flying mount and the node would appear on your map, 1037 00:54:10.280 --> 00:54:14.000 and by the time you flew down there was a 1038 00:54:14.119 --> 00:54:17.320 hunter who had beaten you to it, and it turns 1039 00:54:17.320 --> 00:54:19.960 out that they've been online for thirty nine hours straight 1040 00:54:20.519 --> 00:54:22.480 doing the same thing, and you just go, you know what, 1041 00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:24.719 fuck this shit, this game sucks, and then you just 1042 00:54:25.119 --> 00:54:28.599 raid log and don't even try and play. So I 1043 00:54:28.679 --> 00:54:33.079 found TBC gathering absolutely abysmal, the entire fucking expansion. 1044 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:36.559 To be fair, I'll just I'll just inject sorry, just 1045 00:54:36.719 --> 00:54:38.000 voice say that. I just want to say. It's one 1046 00:54:38.039 --> 00:54:41.480 quick comment from twitch chat where craud Bucket reminds us Josh, 1047 00:54:41.679 --> 00:54:43.639 you know, to be fair, there's a lot more instance 1048 00:54:43.719 --> 00:54:46.559 herbing and mining in TBC that that is true. Whether 1049 00:54:46.639 --> 00:54:50.119 I would query whether or not it's enough to still 1050 00:54:50.320 --> 00:54:53.000 justify the decision to go with gathering if things are 1051 00:54:53.039 --> 00:54:54.960 as bad as they are, I'm not sure. Sorry, someone 1052 00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:56.199 was going to say something, go for it. 1053 00:54:57.960 --> 00:55:00.639 I was going to say, if they have enough to 1054 00:55:00.760 --> 00:55:05.119 lock down multiple layers of a server for all of 1055 00:55:05.159 --> 00:55:09.440 the various play Blue spawns, they can easily lock down 1056 00:55:09.719 --> 00:55:14.239 the improved terror Cones spawns or whatever the hell Blizzard's cooking, you. 1057 00:55:14.480 --> 00:55:14.960 Know what I mean. 1058 00:55:17.199 --> 00:55:20.360 Yeah, we were talking about that in discord last night. 1059 00:55:20.639 --> 00:55:23.360 Like terra Con is the new plague bloom. You can't 1060 00:55:23.400 --> 00:55:26.559 find it in instances in TBC. You just have to 1061 00:55:26.599 --> 00:55:31.239 get it out of terror krtvirus. And yeah, it's such 1062 00:55:31.239 --> 00:55:33.920 a small zone and there are so few spawn points, 1063 00:55:33.960 --> 00:55:36.920 like even if they double that, bots are gonna have 1064 00:55:36.960 --> 00:55:42.400 no problem just sitting there on each node and you know, gathering. 1065 00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.559 Boys. Unless anyone else has anything to say on this, Tangent, 1066 00:55:48.679 --> 00:55:51.199 I want to come back to another big point while 1067 00:55:51.239 --> 00:55:53.960 we've got it, while Arcos is awake, because we will 1068 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:57.639 start to lose him to sleep relatively soon. So if 1069 00:55:57.679 --> 00:56:01.199 we're if we are old on that speaking forever, holday silence. 1070 00:56:01.199 --> 00:56:05.559 If there's any gathering of Fionados out there, but ar Coss, 1071 00:56:05.559 --> 00:56:08.840 I just want to ask you about to kick us 1072 00:56:08.880 --> 00:56:12.920 off on and I'm kind of all over the place because, 1073 00:56:13.039 --> 00:56:14.840 like I say, I do just want to grab Arcross's 1074 00:56:14.880 --> 00:56:16.519 take on these things before he goes to bed, even 1075 00:56:16.519 --> 00:56:18.360 though I would have brought them up ordinarily later in 1076 00:56:18.400 --> 00:56:21.239 the show. But we got all this news about what's 1077 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:24.039 coming with you know, TBC anniversary, and it is different 1078 00:56:24.079 --> 00:56:26.320 to what TBC was four years ago. There are some 1079 00:56:26.400 --> 00:56:29.000 notable changes and we're going to go through all of 1080 00:56:29.039 --> 00:56:32.119 them with you guys now. But kicking off with a 1081 00:56:32.159 --> 00:56:36.840 big one is that the announcement that it will launch 1082 00:56:37.079 --> 00:56:42.719 with post Nerve raid content. I am somewhat loath to 1083 00:56:42.800 --> 00:56:45.480 bring up this conversation because we've done it so many 1084 00:56:45.519 --> 00:56:47.920 fucking times on the show over the years. It really has, 1085 00:56:48.760 --> 00:56:51.079 you know, it's become a bit of a groundhog Day 1086 00:56:51.280 --> 00:56:54.519 esque argument when we talk about, you know, should elements 1087 00:56:54.519 --> 00:56:57.360 of classic well be challenging blah blah blah blah blah. 1088 00:56:57.440 --> 00:56:59.639 But when you make the content too hard, you scare 1089 00:56:59.639 --> 00:57:02.320 away the player base. But the sweaties want something to 1090 00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:04.800 do too, Like I just you know, it's like the 1091 00:57:04.840 --> 00:57:08.039 gd I always like shudder when the GDKP argument comes up. 1092 00:57:08.119 --> 00:57:11.079 Just fifty percent of it being like, fuck, We've done 1093 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.920 this ten fucking times on this show. I'm so sick 1094 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.639 of it. But Arcos, if you can find a wonderful, 1095 00:57:17.760 --> 00:57:20.599 unique and entertaining way to discuss it this time around, 1096 00:57:21.760 --> 00:57:25.079 how do you feel, Arcos? Because I just said that 1097 00:57:25.760 --> 00:57:28.639 I don't think anyone cares this second time around with 1098 00:57:28.719 --> 00:57:30.960 TBC Anniversary and I was talking about the boost and 1099 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:33.039 I was like, just fucking go nuts with the boost. 1100 00:57:33.159 --> 00:57:37.639 No body cares. Nobody fucking cares anymore. We just did 1101 00:57:37.639 --> 00:57:40.400 this shit and we're doing it again. So when it 1102 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:44.039 comes to the post Nerve reveal you as a hardcore 1103 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.400 raider Arcos, do you care? Tell me how you feel 1104 00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:47.960 about this. 1105 00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:56.679 Personally? Not really. I think the entire prayer vers like 1106 00:57:56.679 --> 00:58:00.000 from top to bottoms. There are just so many different opinions, 1107 00:58:00.159 --> 00:58:04.159 some desires, and ones regarding difficulty or lack there off. 1108 00:58:07.679 --> 00:58:15.360 My personal opinion hasn't really changed since twenty nineteen. The 1109 00:58:15.400 --> 00:58:18.039 primary reason that I play the game is to speed drun. 1110 00:58:18.159 --> 00:58:20.400 That is the way to play the game that I 1111 00:58:20.440 --> 00:58:24.119 find the most or get the most enjoyment from, and 1112 00:58:24.679 --> 00:58:29.800 when rates are easy, that is very accessible to everyone, 1113 00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:33.960 and that that makes the scene like the speed running 1114 00:58:34.000 --> 00:58:36.519 scene more like a vibrant there's a little more people 1115 00:58:36.559 --> 00:58:43.079 taking part, right, So with easier rates that is the case, 1116 00:58:43.760 --> 00:58:46.760 we'll have more gills and groups and more individuals like 1117 00:58:47.320 --> 00:58:50.960 giving their toesent into that style of gameplay, which I 1118 00:58:50.960 --> 00:58:56.760 personally think is a good thing. But even within my 1119 00:58:57.039 --> 00:59:01.039 groups of people who speed run like, there are still 1120 00:59:01.079 --> 00:59:03.960 people who want the rates to be a little bit 1121 00:59:04.000 --> 00:59:08.599 harder or much more harder, right, because they find in 1122 00:59:08.719 --> 00:59:12.960 German in both we always we know that we will 1123 00:59:13.000 --> 00:59:14.960 clear the rate like, no matter how difficult they make 1124 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:17.199 it like, we will clear it right, and will will 1125 00:59:17.239 --> 00:59:21.519 always then go and try and do it more faster, 1126 00:59:21.639 --> 00:59:27.119 right in a faster way. So that isn't really a 1127 00:59:27.159 --> 00:59:30.039 concern for for some people, Like they want to have 1128 00:59:30.079 --> 00:59:33.840 a difficult progression for their own satisfaction and then they 1129 00:59:33.880 --> 00:59:36.159 know that they'll clear it and they'll start doing it faster, 1130 00:59:36.280 --> 00:59:39.159 so they're not really taking into account the rest of 1131 00:59:39.199 --> 00:59:43.119 the players, which I tried to do in my thinking, right, 1132 00:59:45.480 --> 00:59:49.119 I think anyone who wants the rates to be very 1133 00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:52.360 difficult is just playing the wrong game. Like, I think 1134 00:59:52.400 --> 00:59:56.599 it's been made pretty clear that that isn't really what 1135 00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:02.079 the that isn't very successful for player in the classic space. 1136 01:00:05.639 --> 01:00:10.199 My worry for TBC is that you take away a 1137 01:00:10.280 --> 01:00:14.199 big portion of the out of rate game with the 1138 01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:17.360 quality of life of only needing to do Attuneman's one 1139 01:00:17.440 --> 01:00:20.440 super button Net account. Most people probably just have one 1140 01:00:20.519 --> 01:00:23.119 button Net account, even though they might have multiple in 1141 01:00:23.199 --> 01:00:27.440 game accounts, so a lot of that stuff that they 1142 01:00:27.480 --> 01:00:30.880 would be doing is gone. And then the raid is 1143 01:00:30.920 --> 01:00:33.800 also very easy on top, so even for like a 1144 01:00:33.880 --> 01:00:38.000 more average or medium group or guilt or PUG, they 1145 01:00:38.039 --> 01:00:42.000 will get through their raid relatively quickly, much quicker than 1146 01:00:42.039 --> 01:00:46.400 in twenty twenty one. So when you remove also the 1147 01:00:46.800 --> 01:00:51.360 out of rate stuff, I'm worried that the player attention 1148 01:00:51.400 --> 01:00:54.000 won't be there because they'll do the raid super quick, 1149 01:00:54.039 --> 01:00:55.760 be done, and then they just log up. Really there, 1150 01:00:55.760 --> 01:00:57.480 there's not much for them to do outside of the 1151 01:00:57.559 --> 01:01:03.000 raid anymore. Right, That's my worry, But I don't care. 1152 01:01:03.039 --> 01:01:05.079 It's fine, Okay, guys, I want to hear from everyone 1153 01:01:05.119 --> 01:01:09.039 on this. It is a controversial one. I'll bring up. 1154 01:01:09.199 --> 01:01:11.679 I'll just yet initial takes first, and then I'll bring 1155 01:01:11.760 --> 01:01:15.519 up what the potential workarounds could be. Piggybacking off of 1156 01:01:15.599 --> 01:01:18.599 arcos is anyone in sense or particularly happy or whatever 1157 01:01:18.599 --> 01:01:23.559 about the post Nerve announcement. I'll name someone, don't make 1158 01:01:23.599 --> 01:01:24.599 me name someone. 1159 01:01:25.119 --> 01:01:27.599 I think if it was the right decision the first time, 1160 01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:30.920 why would it be the wrong decision this time? Literally 1161 01:01:31.000 --> 01:01:33.599 saved the fucking expansion the first time round. The entire 1162 01:01:33.639 --> 01:01:36.960 playerbase was quitting at SSC because they couldn't kill Vash, 1163 01:01:37.000 --> 01:01:38.719 So why the fuck would you put them through it again? 1164 01:01:38.840 --> 01:01:39.320 I agree? 1165 01:01:39.360 --> 01:01:39.760 I agree. 1166 01:01:39.800 --> 01:01:41.800 I'll tell you this much. I'll just add to that, 1167 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:44.440 I'm on the you guys. You know, most of you 1168 01:01:44.559 --> 01:01:49.440 listeners know my personal takes on the bigger debates over 1169 01:01:49.440 --> 01:01:53.960 the years, GDKP, fucking nerving content, all that shit. I'll 1170 01:01:53.960 --> 01:01:55.760 just say it again. You know, I am on the 1171 01:01:55.800 --> 01:02:01.880 record saying I am personally fine with having the last 1172 01:02:01.880 --> 01:02:04.840 couple of bosses of a Raid to be, you know, 1173 01:02:05.079 --> 01:02:08.639 semi challenging, being like, you know, I'm I'm okay with 1174 01:02:08.679 --> 01:02:11.039 a Raid not having a one hundred percent clear rate 1175 01:02:11.119 --> 01:02:13.760 in Wow Classic, even though Wow Classic is about easy 1176 01:02:13.800 --> 01:02:17.239 content and I've been really big on the beer in hand. 1177 01:02:17.320 --> 01:02:20.679 Rating is the most important part of Wow Classic. I've 1178 01:02:20.719 --> 01:02:22.920 always said, yeah, but you know, if you have the 1179 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:25.400 last boss or the second last boss or whatever be 1180 01:02:25.519 --> 01:02:27.960 quite challenging, and like you know, that's the step up 1181 01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:31.119 for the more semi serious guilds. Then I don't think 1182 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:33.880 everyone deserves every piece of gear in the game. That's 1183 01:02:33.960 --> 01:02:39.480 just me. But having said that, that's my personal ideology 1184 01:02:39.599 --> 01:02:42.159 when it comes to raids. I also have to take 1185 01:02:42.159 --> 01:02:45.119 into account, like you, Biquit have said, the fact that 1186 01:02:45.320 --> 01:02:49.400 we literally know, we saw the raw hard data come 1187 01:02:49.440 --> 01:02:52.800 through last time. That all, you can't quit the game, 1188 01:02:52.840 --> 01:02:55.960 you just straight up quit the game when you do 1189 01:02:56.079 --> 01:02:58.440 feel that you don't have a birthright to every piece 1190 01:02:58.440 --> 01:03:01.480 of gear in the game, when there is some semblance 1191 01:03:01.559 --> 01:03:04.239 of a real game, a challenge, or is this just 1192 01:03:04.639 --> 01:03:06.599 there's one boss at the end of the rate, You've 1193 01:03:06.639 --> 01:03:08.760 just killed eight bosses, you got all your loot from 1194 01:03:08.800 --> 01:03:11.480 that thing, and there's one boss at the end of 1195 01:03:11.519 --> 01:03:13.639 the raid that is particularly hard to kill that you 1196 01:03:13.760 --> 01:03:16.840 won't get loot from. You've all said, and I say, 1197 01:03:16.960 --> 01:03:18.719 you you know the universal you know what I mean. 1198 01:03:18.800 --> 01:03:23.400 Whatever you've all said, we will cancel ourself and stop 1199 01:03:23.400 --> 01:03:26.159 funneling money towards Blizzard Entertainment if we do not get 1200 01:03:26.199 --> 01:03:30.519 all the gear. I disagree with that but that that mentality. 1201 01:03:30.719 --> 01:03:34.519 But I agree with Blizzard going, you know what, we 1202 01:03:34.679 --> 01:03:37.559 don't want the player base quitting, so let's just give 1203 01:03:37.599 --> 01:03:41.119 the baby the bottle and make it easy for everyone. 1204 01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:43.800 I agree with that move. We've literally seen, like you 1205 01:03:43.880 --> 01:03:46.599 be said, it is the right decision business wise. It's 1206 01:03:46.639 --> 01:03:49.840 also the right decision game wise for a vibrant and 1207 01:03:50.000 --> 01:03:55.320 you know, meaningful popular population. So I'm happy to throw 1208 01:03:55.400 --> 01:03:59.320 my individual preferences in the bin for the greater good. 1209 01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:05.000 I can chime in here. I a couple of things 1210 01:04:05.199 --> 01:04:09.440 with that particular tier. It's it's tough because Kt and 1211 01:04:09.559 --> 01:04:13.239 Vash both either will complete your foreset, which is extremely 1212 01:04:13.280 --> 01:04:16.119 powerful for some stuff. So you know, you could struggle 1213 01:04:16.159 --> 01:04:19.559 and do everything, but those last two bosses and you 1214 01:04:19.559 --> 01:04:22.119 will not have people get four piece to your bonuses 1215 01:04:22.199 --> 01:04:25.400 at all until you kill one or the other, and 1216 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:27.519 you know, eventually you can out gear stuff. But if 1217 01:04:27.559 --> 01:04:29.400 you're if you're not getting four piece, you're not getting 1218 01:04:29.440 --> 01:04:31.880 the powerful stuff. You know, you're not getting the expertise built, 1219 01:04:31.880 --> 01:04:34.159 you're not getting you're not getting the big ticket items 1220 01:04:34.159 --> 01:04:37.000 from the last boss of the trade. So it's like 1221 01:04:37.079 --> 01:04:41.239 it's harder to brute force that I think it's the 1222 01:04:41.320 --> 01:04:44.079 right decision. The elitist in me, who who did pre 1223 01:04:44.199 --> 01:04:47.639 nerve fashion kt is, you know, makes me think, like, 1224 01:04:47.679 --> 01:04:49.320 why not make it togglable? 1225 01:04:49.599 --> 01:04:51.480 I don't think again, I don't think it would see 1226 01:04:51.559 --> 01:04:52.000 much use. 1227 01:04:52.159 --> 01:04:55.679 But because again, people like the chill raids, but it's 1228 01:04:55.679 --> 01:04:56.920 a it's an interesting take. 1229 01:04:57.119 --> 01:04:58.519 Well, Galli, Galli. 1230 01:04:58.599 --> 01:05:00.199 That's the point I was going to bring up on 1231 01:05:00.239 --> 01:05:04.280 the togg leble notion there, because like, again, tell me 1232 01:05:04.320 --> 01:05:05.960 why I'm a fucking idiot for saying this, And I'm 1233 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:09.440 more than happy to be told that what is stopping 1234 01:05:09.480 --> 01:05:12.679 Blizzard from going? All right, we'll just do what we 1235 01:05:12.719 --> 01:05:15.719 did with all the other classic shit we've done, where 1236 01:05:15.800 --> 01:05:18.880 you walk in the instance and if everyone wants the 1237 01:05:19.159 --> 01:05:22.320 pre nerth raid fucking ten of you click on the 1238 01:05:22.440 --> 01:05:25.079 orb to your right at the instance and you instantly 1239 01:05:25.119 --> 01:05:27.159 get all the pre Nearth values for those guilds that 1240 01:05:27.239 --> 01:05:29.599 want to challenge, and you get one extra piece of 1241 01:05:29.639 --> 01:05:30.840 loot at the end or something. 1242 01:05:30.840 --> 01:05:31.239 I don't know. 1243 01:05:32.639 --> 01:05:35.000 Yeah, I mean I again, personally I love that idea. 1244 01:05:35.079 --> 01:05:37.960 But then you know, Warcraft Logs would probably send them 1245 01:05:37.960 --> 01:05:40.119 a sternly worded email saying, but then we're going to 1246 01:05:40.199 --> 01:05:41.880 have to partition it so many different ways. 1247 01:05:41.920 --> 01:05:43.840 Fuck Warcraft logs. He gives a shit about there. 1248 01:05:45.079 --> 01:05:46.840 Every single Classic wild Player every. 1249 01:05:46.760 --> 01:05:48.199 I know, I know, I know. 1250 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:53.159 Yeah, So it's just yeah, again, I think it's probably 1251 01:05:53.239 --> 01:05:56.960 better for the game, But personally, I think hard content. 1252 01:05:56.679 --> 01:05:59.360 Is good and it feels character. But again, that's not. 1253 01:05:59.400 --> 01:06:02.960 The all right, guys, tear me to shreds here, go 1254 01:06:03.079 --> 01:06:05.639 harder than Galley if you want to it. Is it 1255 01:06:05.719 --> 01:06:09.000 outrageous for me to say, why don't they just do 1256 01:06:09.119 --> 01:06:11.039 the option at the start of the instance for those 1257 01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.519 guilts like Arcosts that want to challenge. 1258 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:20.039 Oh, it's not. It's definitely not, because you know, at 1259 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:22.719 the end of the day you can clear the whole rate, 1260 01:06:22.920 --> 01:06:27.360 get your shiny gear, and then at the end of 1261 01:06:27.400 --> 01:06:29.559 a phase you can say, you know what, let's go 1262 01:06:29.599 --> 01:06:33.320 away in heart more and try it. That's just my 1263 01:06:33.960 --> 01:06:34.599 opinion on that. 1264 01:06:35.280 --> 01:06:36.199 Anyone else on this. 1265 01:06:38.360 --> 01:06:41.199 No, not to like, I'll just create an echo chamber. 1266 01:06:41.239 --> 01:06:45.559 I guess it's the same. It's yeah, the same opinion. 1267 01:06:46.119 --> 01:06:46.679 I don't care. 1268 01:06:46.880 --> 01:06:51.039 Like if Arcos wants to like people that play the 1269 01:06:51.039 --> 01:06:54.719 game like him don't really worry about the gear or 1270 01:06:54.760 --> 01:06:59.000 whatever and just want the challenge, go on ahead, I reckon, Like, 1271 01:06:59.320 --> 01:06:59.880 why take that? 1272 01:07:03.599 --> 01:07:07.320 As someone is saying in twitchat who we got here, 1273 01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:10.920 we've got erdap is saying, hey, look, you know, Vashi 1274 01:07:10.960 --> 01:07:13.000 and KT could be nerve, but they could leave the 1275 01:07:13.039 --> 01:07:14.679 rest of the instance. What do you guys think of 1276 01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:15.239 that suggestion? 1277 01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:20.480 That's what I was thinking, was that, just uh nerf 1278 01:07:20.559 --> 01:07:22.440 Vash and KT because those seemed to be the real 1279 01:07:22.519 --> 01:07:24.719 roadblocks for people back in the day, and just leave 1280 01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:26.719 everything else pre nerve for now. 1281 01:07:26.960 --> 01:07:27.760 See how it goes. 1282 01:07:29.519 --> 01:07:32.559 Yeah, it could work, could work either way with it 1283 01:07:32.599 --> 01:07:36.639 is as it is now. I just out of interest. 1284 01:07:36.639 --> 01:07:40.119 We've got like twelve people here, maybe eleven, not including me. 1285 01:07:42.079 --> 01:07:46.519 Is anyone really really unhappy here with this decision to 1286 01:07:46.599 --> 01:07:52.320 go blanket post nerve. No, So it's all thumbs up 1287 01:07:52.320 --> 01:07:55.519 across the board. That's quite Frankly, that little mini tip 1288 01:07:55.559 --> 01:07:58.159 sample we just got there is exactly why they're doing it, because, 1289 01:07:58.199 --> 01:08:02.320 like I said, nobody gives a fuck anymore. Nobody gives 1290 01:08:02.440 --> 01:08:06.159 a fuck. So yeah, there we go, guys, We'll move 1291 01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:08.639 on because I mean, like I said, this is getting 1292 01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:11.519 some pushback on the subreddit, but like as people are thinking, 1293 01:08:11.559 --> 01:08:13.920 I think are rightfully calling out on the subreddit. This 1294 01:08:13.960 --> 01:08:18.960 is one of those classic examples of an extremely vocal, 1295 01:08:19.319 --> 01:08:23.920 very small minority going like re post nerve is bullshit. 1296 01:08:24.000 --> 01:08:27.359 Give us pre nerve. It was so good. Look, you're 1297 01:08:27.720 --> 01:08:30.960 more than entitled to have those feelings. But just there's 1298 01:08:31.760 --> 01:08:36.960 a fucking tidal wave of opinion against that. And it's 1299 01:08:37.039 --> 01:08:40.119 just a business it's the right business decision just to say, no, 1300 01:08:40.199 --> 01:08:42.720 we literally just went through this. We're doing it differently 1301 01:08:42.720 --> 01:08:45.760 this time. Anyway, let's move on, Gibbie, what can we 1302 01:08:45.800 --> 01:08:48.920 tackle next. I've got some more changes. 1303 01:08:49.159 --> 01:08:53.680 You made the reputations account wide or whatever offter you 1304 01:08:53.680 --> 01:08:54.319 do it on one. 1305 01:08:54.199 --> 01:08:58.359 Character, yes, so the attunement and reputation and everything. I mean, 1306 01:08:58.479 --> 01:09:01.199 this is just nobody is complaining about this. That's a 1307 01:09:01.279 --> 01:09:02.479 universal win, right. 1308 01:09:04.239 --> 01:09:07.399 I have a mile. I mean I would have fixed 1309 01:09:07.439 --> 01:09:11.800 the atumement problem in a different way, in that they 1310 01:09:11.800 --> 01:09:14.239 haven't fixed the problem where everyone still needs to do 1311 01:09:14.359 --> 01:09:18.800 like forty runs of ramps, thirty runs of underbog while 1312 01:09:18.880 --> 01:09:21.920 leveling Oh okay, yes, seventy and you have to go back. 1313 01:09:21.960 --> 01:09:24.199 I would have just made all the ke's honored and 1314 01:09:24.319 --> 01:09:26.520 account bound or whatever the fuck they wanted to do, 1315 01:09:26.680 --> 01:09:28.920 or just honored because then as you level your next 1316 01:09:29.000 --> 01:09:32.520 character and just do even half of each zone, that 1317 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:35.920 character would therefore end up able to do heroics and 1318 01:09:35.960 --> 01:09:39.000 you'd end up in the same boat as this solution anyway. 1319 01:09:39.000 --> 01:09:41.199 But this, yeah, this still doesn't fix my main gripe 1320 01:09:41.199 --> 01:09:42.840 with TBC as a whole, where we're just going to 1321 01:09:42.880 --> 01:09:44.119 live in Dungeons sixty to seventy. 1322 01:09:44.319 --> 01:09:46.159 It's a really interesting point. I'd love to hear from 1323 01:09:46.199 --> 01:09:47.680 you other guys on this one, because I feel like 1324 01:09:47.720 --> 01:09:50.039 we just went through this with SOD where they went 1325 01:09:50.239 --> 01:09:52.840 super player friendly and just said, you know what, we're 1326 01:09:52.880 --> 01:09:57.520 not doing stupid reputation, like, you know, stupid time investment wise, 1327 01:09:57.640 --> 01:10:00.520 reputation grinds, Like we're going to make this quite friendly 1328 01:10:00.640 --> 01:10:04.720 to encourage alts and whatnot. And I really feel like 1329 01:10:04.720 --> 01:10:06.880 they've leant into this over the last couple of years 1330 01:10:06.920 --> 01:10:09.479 of being like, yeah, we won't go the TBC route, 1331 01:10:09.920 --> 01:10:12.479 and now yeah, with TBC Anniversary, they had that chance 1332 01:10:12.560 --> 01:10:14.159 to sort of flip the script a little bit and 1333 01:10:14.159 --> 01:10:16.880 they've opted not to because ordinarily I would say again, 1334 01:10:16.920 --> 01:10:18.960 sorry to always do this, but the business perspective of 1335 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:21.960 me is like, no, good, keep the cunts in dungeons 1336 01:10:21.960 --> 01:10:25.000 because it gives them like content to do, and they 1337 01:10:25.000 --> 01:10:27.640 stay subscribed because they've got to knock out these fucking 1338 01:10:27.840 --> 01:10:31.199 very long and arduous rep grounds. But the playerbase has 1339 01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:33.319 pushed back against that in recent years, going like it 1340 01:10:33.399 --> 01:10:36.680 fucking you know, time adds up and it's like, oh 1341 01:10:36.720 --> 01:10:39.119 my god, I've got to do fucking you know, Black 1342 01:10:39.199 --> 01:10:42.840 Moras or fucking you know, Shattered Halls or whatever for 1343 01:10:42.920 --> 01:10:44.079 the nineteenth time. 1344 01:10:44.119 --> 01:10:50.560 Tonight, I vividly remember you, Hunk, maybe Marcus your three 1345 01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:53.000 day review, and you all sounded like you wanted to 1346 01:10:53.279 --> 01:10:56.520 off yourselves because you spent twenty eight of the last 1347 01:10:56.560 --> 01:10:57.920 thirty six hours in dungeons. 1348 01:10:58.000 --> 01:11:01.279 Well, but that's because we got so Hunk and I 1349 01:11:01.319 --> 01:11:04.800 got sucked up into the mistake of listening to all 1350 01:11:04.800 --> 01:11:09.359 the content creators and the whole community going you must 1351 01:11:09.560 --> 01:11:12.920 level through dungeons or you've done it wrong, because that 1352 01:11:13.000 --> 01:11:17.479 way you get to passively get your reputation done while 1353 01:11:17.520 --> 01:11:20.760 also leveling. And Hunk, can I still like, you know, 1354 01:11:21.399 --> 01:11:23.520 we still like shut up when we think of those 1355 01:11:23.600 --> 01:11:26.279 days because it was the least fun I've ever had playing. Wow. Yeah, 1356 01:11:26.279 --> 01:11:28.680 we wanted to fucking kill each other like it was 1357 01:11:28.760 --> 01:11:30.800 we spend way too much time together. It was, it was, 1358 01:11:31.119 --> 01:11:35.439 it was so like antithetical to fun. So like, I 1359 01:11:35.520 --> 01:11:37.960 am not I don't give a fuck about repping all 1360 01:11:37.960 --> 01:11:39.840 that shit. I'll get it done eventually. I am not 1361 01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:42.560 doing that this time around. You guys, do whatever the 1362 01:11:42.560 --> 01:11:44.520 fuck you want to do. Don't get me wrong. I 1363 01:11:44.520 --> 01:11:46.920 love dungeons. I'll do a lot of dungeons. But I 1364 01:11:47.199 --> 01:11:52.000 mean the TBC leveling experience is this is a controversial point, 1365 01:11:52.479 --> 01:11:56.560 in my mind, the best one there. I said it. 1366 01:11:56.600 --> 01:12:00.319 I think that the sixty to seventy questing experience. So 1367 01:12:00.319 --> 01:12:03.439 I'm not talking about dungeon grinding. The TBC quests and 1368 01:12:03.520 --> 01:12:05.680 the path thing it takes you along and the jumping 1369 01:12:05.680 --> 01:12:07.640 from zone all the zones, and I just think it's 1370 01:12:07.640 --> 01:12:10.239 the best questing experience. As someone who quests a lot 1371 01:12:10.279 --> 01:12:14.159 and has a million alts, I feel qualified to weigh 1372 01:12:14.159 --> 01:12:16.720 in on this, and TBC did it best in my opinion, 1373 01:12:18.239 --> 01:12:21.000 So I'm going to do the quest I'm not going 1374 01:12:21.000 --> 01:12:23.279 to dungeon grind because I don't want to, fucking, like 1375 01:12:23.319 --> 01:12:25.600 you say, jump off a bridge once I get to seventy, 1376 01:12:25.880 --> 01:12:30.359 because I'm so fucking over the game. I just you know. 1377 01:12:30.880 --> 01:12:35.640 I I will worry about the reputation later. All of 1378 01:12:35.680 --> 01:12:37.319 you other guys, I would love to hear from you 1379 01:12:37.359 --> 01:12:41.760 on this. Are you surprised they didn't change anything with 1380 01:12:41.880 --> 01:12:44.039 regards to rep or do you think do you disagree 1381 01:12:44.039 --> 01:12:45.920 with you being think that that rep grind is actually 1382 01:12:45.960 --> 01:12:47.119 a good thing for TBC. 1383 01:12:51.119 --> 01:12:52.520 I don't know a red at all. 1384 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:54.359 What you don't mind it? 1385 01:12:54.479 --> 01:12:56.560 Yag No, not at all. 1386 01:12:56.680 --> 01:12:59.239 I mean they could have sped it up, and I 1387 01:12:59.279 --> 01:13:01.840 mean that on the answer is already in the game, right, 1388 01:13:02.000 --> 01:13:05.800 Like each faction already has a tabird associated with it. 1389 01:13:06.720 --> 01:13:10.520 Just link wrap games to the tabrin like basically double 1390 01:13:10.560 --> 01:13:12.840 your rep gains so you're doing half as many dungeons 1391 01:13:12.840 --> 01:13:13.359 to start. 1392 01:13:13.960 --> 01:13:14.640 That's a good idea. 1393 01:13:14.720 --> 01:13:20.079 I'd like the optimization of doing dungeons before doing quests 1394 01:13:20.079 --> 01:13:21.920 because like that's the easiest way to get the wrap. 1395 01:13:22.359 --> 01:13:23.159 I don't mind that. 1396 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:29.359 I think I was just gonna we mentioned this before 1397 01:13:29.720 --> 01:13:33.399 this went live. You can keep your option. If I 1398 01:13:33.439 --> 01:13:36.159 worked a Blizzard, I would have just gone through every 1399 01:13:36.279 --> 01:13:39.640 TBC quest and just doubled its REP reward. So if 1400 01:13:39.680 --> 01:13:41.880 I want to actually play the game how it was 1401 01:13:41.920 --> 01:13:44.840 intended and have a fun time, in quest. I should 1402 01:13:44.840 --> 01:13:48.640 get revered in every single zone comfortably. If I do 1403 01:13:48.880 --> 01:13:51.840 even eighty percent of the quest in that zone, you 1404 01:13:51.920 --> 01:13:55.279 should be brought. You should just creep into revered that way. 1405 01:13:55.359 --> 01:13:58.239 If I do whll Fire, I do Zenga Marsh, a 1406 01:13:58.319 --> 01:14:01.800 dinder Grand or whatever the fuck forest it is terre 1407 01:14:01.840 --> 01:14:04.119 car forest. I should be able to go do a 1408 01:14:04.119 --> 01:14:08.479 heroic when I'm level seventy, having done at least one 1409 01:14:08.560 --> 01:14:12.479 run of normal and completed those quests and quested in 1410 01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:17.199 the zone. It's flawed that I like, I love Outland leveling. 1411 01:14:17.560 --> 01:14:21.159 It pisses me the fuck off that I complete Zanga 1412 01:14:21.159 --> 01:14:24.039 Marsh through and through and then as a level seventy, 1413 01:14:24.119 --> 01:14:26.399 I have to go do fucking Underbog with a bunch 1414 01:14:26.399 --> 01:14:29.399 of level sixty two dungeon spammers to get revered so 1415 01:14:29.439 --> 01:14:31.840 I can go do heroic Underbog. Like, that's just a 1416 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:34.720 broken system. Why can't they just go change every question 1417 01:14:34.720 --> 01:14:37.079 from five hundred rep to a thousand rep. Problem solved 1418 01:14:37.159 --> 01:14:39.159 and then you have two options. You can still dungeon spam. 1419 01:14:39.159 --> 01:14:41.239 If you want a dungeon spam, go for it. But 1420 01:14:41.359 --> 01:14:43.359 I think both pathways should get you. 1421 01:14:43.359 --> 01:14:45.199 There, and at the moment You're right. It is really 1422 01:14:45.279 --> 01:14:47.520 choose one or the other, because if you dungeon spam 1423 01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:49.920 like you will miss all those TBC quests that are 1424 01:14:49.920 --> 01:14:50.439 so great. 1425 01:14:52.880 --> 01:14:54.880 I'm in your boat. I was. I used to get 1426 01:14:54.880 --> 01:14:58.800 called a lunatic when retail went to pick what expansion 1427 01:14:58.840 --> 01:15:01.079 you wanted to level in. I was one of these 1428 01:15:01.079 --> 01:15:05.279 widos still picking Outland like quite recently, even though they 1429 01:15:05.359 --> 01:15:07.560 all scream at you're saying it's so inefficient, you should 1430 01:15:07.560 --> 01:15:11.079 do this one or you know, spam dungeons. Outlands is 1431 01:15:11.119 --> 01:15:13.840 a fucking good questing experience and it's a shame that 1432 01:15:13.880 --> 01:15:17.399 we minmax ourselves out of it. And like, I'm still 1433 01:15:17.399 --> 01:15:18.720 going to do it the old school. I'm going to 1434 01:15:18.800 --> 01:15:21.640 quest and I'm going to do Underbog normal for three 1435 01:15:21.720 --> 01:15:24.199 runs and get all shitty about it. But it's just 1436 01:15:24.439 --> 01:15:26.239 what they have. I just don't know why they couldn't 1437 01:15:26.279 --> 01:15:28.199 fix it. We've been through this once already. 1438 01:15:28.399 --> 01:15:29.840 I'll throw it to you other guys in a second. 1439 01:15:29.880 --> 01:15:31.439 I just want to finish up. You be on this 1440 01:15:31.520 --> 01:15:33.800 one point, all right, UV. I wanted you to get toxic, 1441 01:15:34.359 --> 01:15:36.520 not really, but kind of if you want. You're getting 1442 01:15:36.520 --> 01:15:40.319 some pushback on twitch here from beloved viewer dflight X, 1443 01:15:40.640 --> 01:15:43.760 who has heard your call for reps to be dropped 1444 01:15:43.800 --> 01:15:46.279 to on it or whatever to get the key, and 1445 01:15:46.319 --> 01:15:48.680 he goes, he didn't say it this way, but I'm 1446 01:15:48.680 --> 01:15:51.800 going to inflame it. Sorry, sorry, Deflight. I'm sure you're 1447 01:15:51.800 --> 01:15:53.640 a lovely person, and I'm going to add some drama 1448 01:15:53.680 --> 01:15:57.520 to the podcast. This fucking stupid cunt just wants the 1449 01:15:57.680 --> 01:15:59.840 key given to him. What do you say? 1450 01:16:00.039 --> 01:16:05.800 You be well that this my solution of it going 1451 01:16:05.840 --> 01:16:08.760 to honored is just trying to match blizzards extremely low 1452 01:16:08.800 --> 01:16:11.560 bar of how they fix things. I've given the better 1453 01:16:11.600 --> 01:16:15.920 option of making questing valid or dungeon spamming valid, but 1454 01:16:16.039 --> 01:16:19.079 I'm just going with the actual reasonable solution of that's 1455 01:16:19.119 --> 01:16:21.840 the easiest band aid fixed possible that requires the least 1456 01:16:21.840 --> 01:16:25.319 amount of work. But still actually I feel is fair 1457 01:16:25.359 --> 01:16:31.079 to everyone, so I don't mind it. Like if you 1458 01:16:31.119 --> 01:16:34.039 want it to be like I'm a nut case, make 1459 01:16:34.079 --> 01:16:36.520 it fucking exalted then and we can all fucking suck 1460 01:16:36.560 --> 01:16:39.239 together like they make it miserable for everybody. Put the 1461 01:16:39.279 --> 01:16:40.680 key behind exalted. There we go. 1462 01:16:40.800 --> 01:16:43.399 Well you said that the magic phrase for this week's podcast. 1463 01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:45.479 We can all suck together? Ding Ding, ding tell him 1464 01:16:45.479 --> 01:16:46.880 what he's won, all right, right. 1465 01:16:48.439 --> 01:16:52.039 Now, it's I'm more. I'm it's not that the how 1466 01:16:52.079 --> 01:16:54.960 it is is such a problem. It's just baffling to 1467 01:16:55.000 --> 01:16:56.880 me that they just want to run the circus back 1468 01:16:57.760 --> 01:17:01.840 like we we really it for ourselves the first time, 1469 01:17:01.920 --> 01:17:04.640 and they're like, du'll be different this time. No we're not. 1470 01:17:04.880 --> 01:17:08.800 We're gonna go fucking run thirty seven ramparts back to 1471 01:17:08.920 --> 01:17:11.680 back day one. That's what we're gonna fucking do. So 1472 01:17:11.840 --> 01:17:13.479 it would just be nice if they would stop us 1473 01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:14.000 from doing it. 1474 01:17:15.960 --> 01:17:18.520 Hey, Deflight, I should say, and this goes for obviously 1475 01:17:18.600 --> 01:17:21.560 anyone who's watching along. Guys, you've heard the caliber and 1476 01:17:21.600 --> 01:17:23.359 the nature of the conversation that we do here on 1477 01:17:23.359 --> 01:17:26.239 the podcast. Deflight by all means you're more than welcome 1478 01:17:26.279 --> 01:17:28.199 to join the discord and jump in voice with us. 1479 01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:31.039 And I love the we you know, the whole thing 1480 01:17:31.079 --> 01:17:32.520 is about the both sides of the coin. I would 1481 01:17:32.520 --> 01:17:35.159 love the contrarian take here. If you want to go 1482 01:17:35.239 --> 01:17:37.039 back and forth with you beyond this, please get in 1483 01:17:37.119 --> 01:17:39.159 boys with us and have you say. We'd love to 1484 01:17:39.199 --> 01:17:41.840 meet you. But you know, no pressure. It's just I'm 1485 01:17:41.840 --> 01:17:44.000 happy to sort of bring up your argument on your 1486 01:17:44.000 --> 01:17:46.960 behalf as well. But having said all that, a couple 1487 01:17:46.960 --> 01:17:48.479 of you other guys who are about to say something 1488 01:17:48.560 --> 01:17:51.600 and sorry I pushed you biquit us there, please jump in, 1489 01:17:51.640 --> 01:17:56.000 guys on this point. Do you believe that the reputation 1490 01:17:56.079 --> 01:17:57.439 system should be changing? TBC. 1491 01:17:59.359 --> 01:18:00.800 I was going to jump and real quick and say, 1492 01:18:00.840 --> 01:18:03.359 I think that is a universal experience that if you 1493 01:18:03.520 --> 01:18:07.319 followed that five man dungeon group, you have horror stories 1494 01:18:07.359 --> 01:18:10.319 and you hated your friends. And I still think back 1495 01:18:10.359 --> 01:18:12.520 at the group that I ran with, and people would 1496 01:18:12.560 --> 01:18:14.399 get mad if you ran off to do a hit 1497 01:18:14.439 --> 01:18:16.000 a fucking mining node to level up. 1498 01:18:16.039 --> 01:18:17.439 They'd be like, no, no, no, we need to go here, 1499 01:18:17.479 --> 01:18:19.800 we need to go here. And it was. It was insane. 1500 01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:21.680 And I actually I just posted the link in the 1501 01:18:21.720 --> 01:18:23.960 discord if anyone wants to take a look at it. 1502 01:18:24.000 --> 01:18:28.239 I still have it in my Google sheets. Yeah. That sucked. 1503 01:18:28.279 --> 01:18:29.479 I would never do that again. 1504 01:18:29.920 --> 01:18:30.319 Fuck that. 1505 01:18:33.840 --> 01:18:34.920 Anyone else on this one. 1506 01:18:37.239 --> 01:18:39.640 I actually had a good experience as far as the 1507 01:18:39.680 --> 01:18:40.279 group goes. 1508 01:18:42.119 --> 01:18:45.119 It's we've been playing the game together for years and 1509 01:18:45.520 --> 01:18:47.359 just something about four. 1510 01:18:47.319 --> 01:18:49.039 Out of five of us, was it. 1511 01:18:49.119 --> 01:18:52.000 We just all gelled quite well and we all got 1512 01:18:52.000 --> 01:18:54.279 bored at roughly the same time, and we just start 1513 01:18:54.319 --> 01:18:56.640 scuffing pools and doing cooked stuff to try and make 1514 01:18:56.680 --> 01:18:59.840 it interesting. Efficiency kind of went down the toilet, but 1515 01:19:01.600 --> 01:19:04.479 it didn't really matter as far as the rep grind goes. 1516 01:19:04.840 --> 01:19:12.319 It sucks. It objectively sucks. It's lazy content, And yeah, 1517 01:19:12.319 --> 01:19:14.399 it's likely it'd be great if you didn't have to 1518 01:19:14.399 --> 01:19:18.279 do it as long. That's that's my take on it, all. 1519 01:19:18.239 --> 01:19:21.800 Right, fair enough, guys, If nobody says anything, I will 1520 01:19:21.840 --> 01:19:23.680 move on to the next subject. So speak now or 1521 01:19:23.720 --> 01:19:24.840 forever hold your silence. 1522 01:19:26.439 --> 01:19:31.399 Yeah, might be some copium, I think, Yeah. I think 1523 01:19:32.159 --> 01:19:36.720 Lizzard just doesn't want people in the outer world. I 1524 01:19:36.760 --> 01:19:40.560 think they would have to open up so many layers. 1525 01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:44.239 People would still complain that they won't get any mob 1526 01:19:44.359 --> 01:19:49.159 tech whatsoever. And they don't want to hassle. They just 1527 01:19:49.239 --> 01:19:52.159 want a smooth experience. They don't want to put in 1528 01:19:52.199 --> 01:19:55.319 the work, and that's why they will never change it. 1529 01:19:57.119 --> 01:20:00.439 Okay, Galy, you were going to say, Yeah, I. 1530 01:20:00.399 --> 01:20:02.520 Was gonna say, I'm no stranger to rep grinds. I 1531 01:20:02.520 --> 01:20:04.960 did the whole insane grind and rath of lich King 1532 01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:08.680 and everything. But agree, it's we've done it before, either 1533 01:20:08.840 --> 01:20:11.960 give more rep from questing or drop it to honored 1534 01:20:12.279 --> 01:20:14.960 do something lazy. I mean, the boa thing is like 1535 01:20:15.319 --> 01:20:19.880 cool band aid fix, but like you know, cool people 1536 01:20:19.880 --> 01:20:22.319 are going to run dungeons anyways, but I don't know, 1537 01:20:22.520 --> 01:20:25.840 just get people doing content. That's kind of what I've 1538 01:20:26.239 --> 01:20:28.359 what I've learned is best is just whatever it gets 1539 01:20:28.399 --> 01:20:29.760 people doing stuff is a win. 1540 01:20:30.760 --> 01:20:33.119 All right, guys, we'll just reap through the really really 1541 01:20:33.159 --> 01:20:36.840 easy ones that are just sort of no brainers. Everyone 1542 01:20:36.960 --> 01:20:39.560 and their mother was expecting heroism and blood loss to 1543 01:20:39.560 --> 01:20:41.439 be right wide now with the ten minutes, said an 1544 01:20:41.439 --> 01:20:46.520 exhaustion da buff. That didn't shock anyone, did it? No, 1545 01:20:46.560 --> 01:20:48.960 not at all, And it's the right move, right. 1546 01:20:50.319 --> 01:20:53.840 Curious if it's going to reset after you've killed the boss. 1547 01:20:53.880 --> 01:20:55.880 If not, you're going to have a lot of people 1548 01:20:56.680 --> 01:20:59.119 either waiting out the ten minute time or between bosses, 1549 01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:03.720 or or doing some weird ship because I believe in. 1550 01:21:03.239 --> 01:21:08.279 The already stated that after a wipe. 1551 01:21:08.119 --> 01:21:13.840 Or after a wiper kills, so therefore perfect it should. 1552 01:21:12.600 --> 01:21:13.279 Is that good change? 1553 01:21:13.399 --> 01:21:15.039 Did they do that for all major cool downs? 1554 01:21:15.039 --> 01:21:19.000 So just for that, just for her rhythm and blood lost? 1555 01:21:19.840 --> 01:21:20.039 Yeah? 1556 01:21:20.039 --> 01:21:23.479 I think just all right, It doesn't really change the 1557 01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.279 amount of shamans you're bringing to rad though, Like you 1558 01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:27.039 just don't want to know. 1559 01:21:27.039 --> 01:21:28.159 You're still gonna need totems. 1560 01:21:28.159 --> 01:21:30.760 You're still gonna need five probably per raid, So it 1561 01:21:30.840 --> 01:21:32.800 really is not going to change the meta too much. 1562 01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:34.840 Oh my god. 1563 01:21:35.119 --> 01:21:37.000 But now you've only got to give him a hand job. 1564 01:21:37.039 --> 01:21:38.479 You don't have to rub their balls at the same 1565 01:21:38.520 --> 01:21:40.880 time as well, because they'd wear a big pal class 1566 01:21:40.920 --> 01:21:42.479 fucking last last time we did this. 1567 01:21:43.079 --> 01:21:45.680 You don't have to swallow the gravy. Just cradle the bulls. 1568 01:21:46.199 --> 01:21:48.199 Yeah, like you know what I mean. We're going to 1569 01:21:48.239 --> 01:21:49.560 suck up to them a little bit less you can 1570 01:21:49.560 --> 01:21:50.520 tell them how you really feel. 1571 01:21:50.520 --> 01:21:53.600 Now, Oh my god, have you seen in the guild 1572 01:21:53.680 --> 01:21:56.119 We've got like, what is it fucking thirty five hundred 1573 01:21:56.119 --> 01:21:59.600 shamans already? Mm hmm shaman. I should say it's the 1574 01:21:59.600 --> 01:22:05.600 plural whatever fucking gods, I went full stop rolling shaman 1575 01:22:05.680 --> 01:22:09.600 people easy tell them. 1576 01:22:09.760 --> 01:22:11.319 I was just going to count how many we have 1577 01:22:11.439 --> 01:22:11.840 right now? 1578 01:22:13.279 --> 01:22:13.640 Nine? 1579 01:22:14.479 --> 01:22:17.600 Oh yeah, dude, Oh my goodness, it's at least what 1580 01:22:17.760 --> 01:22:20.800 ten fifteen? We have enough shot And to the question 1581 01:22:21.640 --> 01:22:22.479 is it really. 1582 01:22:22.199 --> 01:22:23.520 Going to be our raid? 1583 01:22:24.000 --> 01:22:26.920 Sorry, are totem is going to be raid wide? Have 1584 01:22:27.039 --> 01:22:29.399 they said or answered, because a lot of people were 1585 01:22:29.439 --> 01:22:32.560 asking them the bloodless totems? No, so you still have 1586 01:22:32.600 --> 01:22:33.079 to drop. 1587 01:22:33.159 --> 01:22:35.800 They never, They haven't said anything, So it's assume that 1588 01:22:35.800 --> 01:22:36.680 they're still party wise. 1589 01:22:37.600 --> 01:22:40.279 I hope they wait for Holy Shamans to hit sixty 1590 01:22:40.319 --> 01:22:44.520 and then they say raid wide totems immediately from five 1591 01:22:44.680 --> 01:22:47.199 six pair right to one. 1592 01:22:47.720 --> 01:22:48.479 Still take two? 1593 01:22:48.800 --> 01:22:49.520 Yeah, you'd take too. 1594 01:22:49.560 --> 01:22:51.920 You'll still take at least two, but you'll take two 1595 01:22:52.000 --> 01:22:53.359 rests and that's about it. 1596 01:22:54.039 --> 01:22:55.359 I don't think they're going to go that far. 1597 01:22:57.600 --> 01:23:04.119 What is what is we just take two? The kind 1598 01:23:04.159 --> 01:23:06.760 of outside of theirs and elemental? 1599 01:23:07.600 --> 01:23:10.560 I was gonna say, what is the shaman element? You 1600 01:23:10.600 --> 01:23:11.239 don't know? 1601 01:23:11.680 --> 01:23:15.560 Okay, you can take you can take one if you 1602 01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:20.279 full stuck warlocks, but then you're just par one costo 1603 01:23:20.399 --> 01:23:22.079 group over every other customer. 1604 01:23:22.560 --> 01:23:24.279 What is is the shot? Let me see if this 1605 01:23:24.399 --> 01:23:28.840 is a shoot me down? Either true or false? The 1606 01:23:28.880 --> 01:23:37.520 shaman obsession in TVC is purely driven by raid slot itis, 1607 01:23:37.560 --> 01:23:40.399 like fomo about missing out on the raid? True or false? 1608 01:23:43.359 --> 01:23:46.079 Like are people? Are people just all rolling shaman because 1609 01:23:46.079 --> 01:23:47.680 they want to be as short of a raid slot, 1610 01:23:47.760 --> 01:23:50.439 or they all rolling Sharman because they genuinely love Sharman. 1611 01:23:50.479 --> 01:23:51.920 In TBC, it's. 1612 01:23:51.760 --> 01:23:55.520 The most of any expansion to play a specific class 1613 01:23:55.560 --> 01:23:58.479 you could ever get, because it's like most class dominated 1614 01:23:58.640 --> 01:23:59.720 utility role of all time. 1615 01:23:59.800 --> 01:24:02.000 Yeah, so half these counts don't even like playing Sharman. 1616 01:24:02.039 --> 01:24:03.239 They just want to be in the raid. 1617 01:24:04.640 --> 01:24:06.720 Quite possibly, as long as you're saying half, I mean 1618 01:24:07.159 --> 01:24:08.800 genuinely playing Charman. 1619 01:24:08.800 --> 01:24:10.680 See, yeah, I'm sure there are some people just like 1620 01:24:10.720 --> 01:24:13.640 you're saying, definitely read slots are big. 1621 01:24:13.720 --> 01:24:15.359 I remember warlocks? 1622 01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:18.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you've got a lot of warlocks too. 1623 01:24:20.039 --> 01:24:22.239 And that's part of what turned me like I was originally. 1624 01:24:22.279 --> 01:24:24.640 I was like, and I'm still setting you know, classic Josh, 1625 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:25.880 I'm still settling on what I want I wan to 1626 01:24:25.880 --> 01:24:27.880 play for TVC, but I am heavily leaning Rogue. We'll 1627 01:24:27.880 --> 01:24:30.479 get into that later. But I started out on a Warlock, 1628 01:24:30.560 --> 01:24:33.479 and then you know, I turn off for me is 1629 01:24:33.520 --> 01:24:36.079 when you start to see the amount of other Warlocks 1630 01:24:36.119 --> 01:24:38.800 being created and they're like, fuck, there's a dozen Warlocks here. 1631 01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:41.279 And I completely understand why I get the power of 1632 01:24:41.319 --> 01:24:43.960 the warlock in TBC, but I saw that roster and 1633 01:24:44.000 --> 01:24:46.560 I was like, fuck this. I don't want to be fucking, 1634 01:24:46.880 --> 01:24:49.680 you know, competing for gear with a million people and 1635 01:24:49.760 --> 01:24:53.920 also not feel I don't know, at least a little special. 1636 01:24:54.279 --> 01:24:56.520 I like Marcus knows, I like to feel a little special, 1637 01:24:56.560 --> 01:24:58.479 and quite frankly, I am a little special in my 1638 01:24:58.520 --> 01:24:59.359 own special way. 1639 01:24:59.399 --> 01:25:04.840 I know exactly a couple of interpretations. 1640 01:25:05.479 --> 01:25:07.520 Get that fire is scary, You'll still be special. 1641 01:25:08.359 --> 01:25:12.840 There you go? All right, So that's the the shaman 1642 01:25:12.960 --> 01:25:15.479 change is done. The other real quick look at they're 1643 01:25:15.479 --> 01:25:18.159 bringing in edit mode for the UI thing. Everyone seems 1644 01:25:18.159 --> 01:25:23.359 pretty happy with that. All THEBP ship Sorry you go, 1645 01:25:23.439 --> 01:25:25.800 you go, occass, and then I'll throw it to Marcus. 1646 01:25:26.279 --> 01:25:29.279 The The people who are married to their class in 1647 01:25:29.359 --> 01:25:34.199 TBC that you'll see are the warriors, because they they 1648 01:25:34.319 --> 01:25:39.079 know going in that like everybody wants to like a 1649 01:25:39.079 --> 01:25:41.560 clown on them right, like it's not your time anymore. 1650 01:25:42.720 --> 01:25:48.800 Everyone has experienced now again the warrior stacktorates in PA's 1651 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:53.600 one twelve. So everyone who's playing a warrior in in TBC, 1652 01:25:53.760 --> 01:25:55.720 like you can you can quit the much say that 1653 01:25:56.319 --> 01:25:58.439 like they know that they're in for a beating, that 1654 01:25:58.840 --> 01:26:01.239 people are going to talk shit about them a lot 1655 01:26:02.319 --> 01:26:03.920 I'm ready. 1656 01:26:04.039 --> 01:26:04.600 I'm ready. 1657 01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:09.119 Yeah, But the like we say here, we were saying 1658 01:26:09.119 --> 01:26:12.079 here and the racin at the end of the hot dog, 1659 01:26:12.159 --> 01:26:15.439 Like it's the what's the cream crimpal crime or cream 1660 01:26:15.479 --> 01:26:16.239 at the end of something. 1661 01:26:16.439 --> 01:26:18.119 I don't know what's saying you're trying to say, but 1662 01:26:18.159 --> 01:26:21.760 it's making me hony. 1663 01:26:21.239 --> 01:26:23.119 Are you saying the dream rises to the top kind 1664 01:26:23.159 --> 01:26:23.399 of thing? 1665 01:26:23.840 --> 01:26:26.039 The cream rises to the hot doesn't like? 1666 01:26:27.159 --> 01:26:30.520 Is that all of the Warriors know this right? But 1667 01:26:31.199 --> 01:26:34.319 everyone who is like down on the Warrior and just 1668 01:26:34.359 --> 01:26:38.239 like talking shit about the Warrior and TBC is really 1669 01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:41.840 just exposing themselves as a person that has like no 1670 01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:44.439 idea what the fuck they're talking about? Because Warrior and 1671 01:26:44.439 --> 01:26:45.680 TBC isn't bad. 1672 01:26:45.960 --> 01:26:48.800 No, we worked it out last time in a race, 1673 01:26:49.239 --> 01:26:52.159 did we. Yeah, I'm saying the lesson everyone learned. No, 1674 01:26:52.239 --> 01:26:54.600 the lesson everyone learned from TBC in twenty twenty one. 1675 01:26:54.640 --> 01:26:57.720 His Warriors are actually fantastic, and we all everyone shot 1676 01:26:57.760 --> 01:26:59.920 down Warrior, like all the content creator is everyone shot 1677 01:27:00.199 --> 01:27:02.239 Warriors in twenty twenty one, going they're gonna be shit, 1678 01:27:02.279 --> 01:27:04.520 They're gonna be shitped re Rah And then all the 1679 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:06.560 numbers started coming in and it was like you know, 1680 01:27:06.680 --> 01:27:09.000 late twenty one, early twenty two, everyone's like, holy shit, 1681 01:27:09.079 --> 01:27:11.880 Warriors are still base And so this time around, you're 1682 01:27:12.000 --> 01:27:14.800 right if you haven't worked out from all the data 1683 01:27:14.840 --> 01:27:16.800 we got back four years ago, the Warriors are still 1684 01:27:16.840 --> 01:27:19.800 powerhouses in TBC, You're a fucking idiot. 1685 01:27:20.960 --> 01:27:22.760 I think I still see it. 1686 01:27:23.079 --> 01:27:24.000 SSC. 1687 01:27:25.119 --> 01:27:27.640 I mean they are, they're the best in in SC, 1688 01:27:27.680 --> 01:27:30.359 for sure, but they are like I think in phase 1689 01:27:30.399 --> 01:27:33.199 one they were like the fourth highest on the overall 1690 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:37.319 output and in SEC and TIK. And take this into 1691 01:27:37.359 --> 01:27:41.359 account now that we are getting like heavily nerved rates 1692 01:27:41.640 --> 01:27:46.039 in tier five, Like the Warrior was really good, especially 1693 01:27:46.079 --> 01:27:50.319 in SEC because the war look really out changed the 1694 01:27:50.319 --> 01:27:54.560 Warrior once the Truspacs have six or more mobs, but 1695 01:27:54.800 --> 01:27:57.319 for a SC, there's so many Truspects with like three 1696 01:27:57.479 --> 01:28:00.600 four mobs in them. And that's where the your cleave 1697 01:28:00.680 --> 01:28:03.399 outsides the or can outside of the world. It's not 1698 01:28:03.439 --> 01:28:08.079 the same intimes to keep, but they're like merely issue 1699 01:28:08.159 --> 01:28:10.079 in S A C N t K mostly was that 1700 01:28:11.239 --> 01:28:13.439 it was so easy to die on trust, right, So 1701 01:28:13.479 --> 01:28:15.720 as a coster, you're you're far away, You're you're much 1702 01:28:15.720 --> 01:28:18.119 more safe, right. But in heavily nerves to rates. Now 1703 01:28:19.119 --> 01:28:22.479 I could easily see like merely being way more valuable 1704 01:28:22.479 --> 01:28:25.479 than it was even back in in TBC Classic. 1705 01:28:25.920 --> 01:28:28.560 Of course, let me ask a quick question. You know, 1706 01:28:28.600 --> 01:28:31.359 I'm allowed one dumb question per podcast. I apologize for this, 1707 01:28:31.520 --> 01:28:35.680 so it is fucking stupid. But does a shorter or 1708 01:28:35.720 --> 01:28:38.800 a longer fight favor a Warrior? And I know you're 1709 01:28:38.800 --> 01:28:40.199 going to say, hey, what do you define as short 1710 01:28:40.239 --> 01:28:42.079 and long? But just generally you know what I mean? 1711 01:28:43.560 --> 01:28:51.159 Yeah, Usually in in the Classic, like expansions, a sort 1712 01:28:51.199 --> 01:28:55.399 of fight will will always favor overor over and mostly 1713 01:28:55.600 --> 01:28:59.159 it's it's the same issue that I have complained about 1714 01:28:59.159 --> 01:29:04.119 a lot in Insulted maxraumas Warrior has like in the 1715 01:29:04.159 --> 01:29:09.239 in the toolkit, these percent modifier buffer damage percent modifiers. 1716 01:29:09.520 --> 01:29:11.840 So the closer you can get a past fight to 1717 01:29:11.880 --> 01:29:15.319 thirty seconds, which is the uptime of deathways, that's usually 1718 01:29:15.399 --> 01:29:20.000 like the golden type of range of a kill for you, 1719 01:29:20.039 --> 01:29:23.520 because then you have one hundred percent uptime on deathways. 1720 01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:27.760 Usually the same like goes in reverse for for casters, 1721 01:29:27.880 --> 01:29:31.000 especially dot classes, like they need their dots to ramp up. 1722 01:29:32.079 --> 01:29:35.520 So like I don't know what the BIS range for 1723 01:29:36.000 --> 01:29:39.680 for a warlock is in in TBC, but like it 1724 01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:45.279 takes them multiple costs to get everything rolling on their target. 1725 01:29:45.399 --> 01:29:47.640 Right, Oh yeah, yeah, but I'm saying more. Let me 1726 01:29:47.840 --> 01:29:49.600 let me throw these two sorry, let me throw these 1727 01:29:49.600 --> 01:29:51.760 two differences. Like let's say the difference during a ninety 1728 01:29:51.800 --> 01:29:53.880 second fight and a three minute fight for a warrior. 1729 01:29:53.920 --> 01:29:55.680 How does it change things? 1730 01:29:57.079 --> 01:30:02.159 A lot? Usually? But it also depends like do you 1731 01:30:02.199 --> 01:30:04.560 can you use your cool on twice or can you 1732 01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:07.600 only use it once? Yeah? Like the does the fight 1733 01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:10.279 length go over that? Like there were some sims that 1734 01:30:10.319 --> 01:30:12.359 I was able to make, or like we were able 1735 01:30:12.399 --> 01:30:16.880 to make in fight Club in sout ware, having as 1736 01:30:17.079 --> 01:30:19.199 tier bonus that made your death was cooled down like 1737 01:30:19.239 --> 01:30:21.920 fifty percent less, so ninety seconds instead of three minutes. 1738 01:30:23.439 --> 01:30:27.399 Just equipping that tear bonus on like later tier rates 1739 01:30:27.600 --> 01:30:30.279 still gave you a big deps increase because you could 1740 01:30:30.359 --> 01:30:35.760 use the CD twice rather than once or But the 1741 01:30:35.760 --> 01:30:38.319 general rule of famasist that for warrior, the longer the 1742 01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:42.600 fat goes, the worse your output will be. You'll you'll 1743 01:30:42.640 --> 01:30:46.680 find some plateau and you'll just stay there when on 1744 01:30:46.840 --> 01:30:50.079 pull when you pop your CDs when you're like mongoose 1745 01:30:50.159 --> 01:30:52.319 PROCs and you you have your own use drink it on. 1746 01:30:52.399 --> 01:30:55.119 You have your like haste postion rolling like that's where 1747 01:30:55.159 --> 01:31:00.159 you have have your peak damage and then it's downhill. 1748 01:30:59.840 --> 01:31:03.760 From Thank you for that, mate, Fred, if I can 1749 01:31:03.800 --> 01:31:05.479 just key you up so sorry, I know you're listening 1750 01:31:05.560 --> 01:31:08.159 in there politely. I just want to invoke your name 1751 01:31:08.199 --> 01:31:10.279 because I saw you jump over from the Twitch crowd 1752 01:31:10.279 --> 01:31:13.680 to the Discord crowd. Obviously we invoked the word shaman 1753 01:31:13.840 --> 01:31:16.960 and that's what makes you magically appear in the room. 1754 01:31:17.520 --> 01:31:19.800 And mate, just to let you have your say on 1755 01:31:19.840 --> 01:31:21.880 the close out of the Sharman point we were making. 1756 01:31:22.840 --> 01:31:25.439 You know, I was saying, like a shaman actually, like 1757 01:31:26.119 --> 01:31:28.520 you know, just standard Sharman in TBC and everyone just 1758 01:31:28.560 --> 01:31:30.800 overreacts because of the rate slot or is there something 1759 01:31:30.840 --> 01:31:32.800 more to it? Mate? What are your plans? 1760 01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:35.000 You know? 1761 01:31:35.079 --> 01:31:37.760 I have several friends who are playing TBC very much 1762 01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:40.920 interested in getting into it, so I'm still considering whether 1763 01:31:40.960 --> 01:31:42.960 I play. I mean, I think that the changes are 1764 01:31:43.039 --> 01:31:45.159 very interesting. Well, I think we'll see how it shakes out, 1765 01:31:45.199 --> 01:31:49.760 because obviously in a totally unchanged worlds, you know, you 1766 01:31:49.800 --> 01:31:51.960 just need the bloodlust, so it'll be really interesting to 1767 01:31:51.960 --> 01:31:53.840 see how it is now. I guess that's all I 1768 01:31:53.840 --> 01:31:55.279 can say. I don't have any interesting to say about it. 1769 01:31:55.319 --> 01:31:56.279 I just I just get to listen. 1770 01:31:56.479 --> 01:31:58.560 Really no, no, all good, mate, you do your think 1771 01:31:58.600 --> 01:32:02.720 trust me. Okay, guys, let's move along. If nobody had 1772 01:32:02.760 --> 01:32:07.640 anything else to say, let's go to Marcus. I said, 1773 01:32:07.720 --> 01:32:11.159 the look the PvP changes. We've got, arena rating changes, 1774 01:32:11.720 --> 01:32:17.720 the item requirements reduced or removed, Arena gear costs reduced. 1775 01:32:17.840 --> 01:32:21.119 I think they got rid of teams. I believe as well. Mate, 1776 01:32:21.359 --> 01:32:23.239 did you see all that PvP stuff? 1777 01:32:24.000 --> 01:32:25.399 I slept on it, so it's a bit of a 1778 01:32:25.439 --> 01:32:33.079 live reaction, but initial take is good. It's just just 1779 01:32:33.119 --> 01:32:36.880 a change to improve participation at least I hope that 1780 01:32:36.920 --> 01:32:42.039 would be the outcome, which is always good because particip participation. 1781 01:32:42.239 --> 01:32:43.479 I was like, I played on. 1782 01:32:45.239 --> 01:32:48.960 O C and I do believe that you're entirely responsible 1783 01:32:48.960 --> 01:32:52.880 for the situation that happened there. There was there was 1784 01:32:52.960 --> 01:32:57.840 no participation, and it died like super quickly. 1785 01:32:59.439 --> 01:33:03.199 But we've truly got the meme now, the Grim Reaper 1786 01:33:03.279 --> 01:33:06.000 meme of me with the face of me on the 1787 01:33:06.000 --> 01:33:08.520 Grim Reaper. But it's like ten doors in the trail 1788 01:33:08.560 --> 01:33:10.880 of blood with all the server names on it. 1789 01:33:11.760 --> 01:33:14.159 Yes, yes, and yeah. 1790 01:33:14.199 --> 01:33:18.439 The ocap VP scene was probably one of the doors 1791 01:33:18.520 --> 01:33:20.800 way off in the distance, down near the vanishing point 1792 01:33:20.800 --> 01:33:26.560 of the image, I'd imagine, yep, But yeah, it's that 1793 01:33:26.720 --> 01:33:29.880 kind of thing will boost participation. You can play with you, 1794 01:33:30.159 --> 01:33:32.279 with your mates. You don't get locked into a team. 1795 01:33:32.720 --> 01:33:35.239 I'm sad I don't get to have the little team 1796 01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:38.399 emblem of the angry peasant guy and then call my 1797 01:33:38.479 --> 01:33:39.720 team pissed off peasants. 1798 01:33:40.279 --> 01:33:44.840 But to be fair on the team thing, I'm getting 1799 01:33:44.840 --> 01:33:48.159 the impression that every fucking man, woman and child was 1800 01:33:48.239 --> 01:33:50.119 quite happy to ditch the team thing. Is that the 1801 01:33:50.119 --> 01:33:50.680 case or not? 1802 01:33:51.399 --> 01:33:53.159 Yeah, that was a good change when they've done it 1803 01:33:53.479 --> 01:33:58.840 in what's now a modern version of the game, it 1804 01:33:58.960 --> 01:33:59.600 was a good change. 1805 01:33:59.640 --> 01:33:59.800 Then. 1806 01:34:00.840 --> 01:34:01.560 I believe it. 1807 01:34:01.920 --> 01:34:04.079 Would have lifted participation because. 1808 01:34:04.359 --> 01:34:07.920 You just play games and then you get the rating 1809 01:34:07.960 --> 01:34:10.479 that you wanted for that week, and then you just sit. 1810 01:34:11.039 --> 01:34:13.600 You wouldn't play with your mates, But now I can 1811 01:34:13.640 --> 01:34:15.960 sort of have like different people that I'll play the 1812 01:34:15.960 --> 01:34:17.920 game with in different brackets or whatever. 1813 01:34:18.039 --> 01:34:21.680 Now, mate, are we finally, after two fucking years of 1814 01:34:21.720 --> 01:34:24.119 talking about it, going to do an arena together or. 1815 01:34:24.960 --> 01:34:28.119 Yeah, well we've done a few in modern but yes, 1816 01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:32.079 we will do an arena. Depending on which class you 1817 01:34:32.119 --> 01:34:34.359 pick and which class I pick, it doesn't really matter, 1818 01:34:34.399 --> 01:34:35.239 like who cares. 1819 01:34:35.039 --> 01:34:36.800 Well, I think I'm leaning rogues, so I can go 1820 01:34:36.880 --> 01:34:37.439 with anyone. 1821 01:34:38.079 --> 01:34:40.479 Well, like I'll probably like I'm sort of leaning back 1822 01:34:40.520 --> 01:34:43.520 into getting back to my roots of playing a mage. 1823 01:34:43.560 --> 01:34:47.000 So, mate, if you like hooked setup. 1824 01:34:46.640 --> 01:34:48.880 I would love to see. I would look, I've heard 1825 01:34:48.960 --> 01:34:52.680 so much about it. I would love to see in person, what, 1826 01:34:53.199 --> 01:34:55.720 even in the hands of an unskilled player like myself, 1827 01:34:55.760 --> 01:34:57.560 what rogue mage does well. 1828 01:34:57.560 --> 01:34:59.560 The thing about it is that it takes a little. 1829 01:34:59.359 --> 01:35:03.840 Bit of coordinate in the history of a Yeah. 1830 01:35:03.760 --> 01:35:05.680 It takes a bit of coordination, Like you've got to 1831 01:35:05.680 --> 01:35:08.239 get your setups right. But you know, if we weren't 1832 01:35:08.319 --> 01:35:10.279 lame pilled, we could probably practice that in. 1833 01:35:10.279 --> 01:35:13.079 The world coordination. That's where I'm a viking. 1834 01:35:15.760 --> 01:35:19.199 Will I mean the only more wheelchair come that you 1835 01:35:19.239 --> 01:35:21.840 could play would be rod grow right. 1836 01:35:22.159 --> 01:35:26.159 Yeah, it is like Arcs is correct, Like it sucks 1837 01:35:26.159 --> 01:35:29.359 because he's usually correct, but it's just such a blood 1838 01:35:29.399 --> 01:35:30.800 instrument his correctness. 1839 01:35:31.279 --> 01:35:35.079 I have a lot of fun because you will win 1840 01:35:35.239 --> 01:35:40.880 a lot of games. Just when the door open, your 1841 01:35:40.920 --> 01:35:43.159 cloud will show the other team and you'll be like, yeah, 1842 01:35:43.159 --> 01:35:44.560 okay this this winners in the back. 1843 01:35:45.079 --> 01:35:47.600 Yeah, and that's like the like the two best words 1844 01:35:47.600 --> 01:35:56.880 in the English language is default, right, but a rehearsal 1845 01:35:57.039 --> 01:35:59.079 to be able, like when you are challenged to be 1846 01:35:59.119 --> 01:35:59.960 able to pull it off. 1847 01:36:00.039 --> 01:36:01.640 But when you do, man like Wow. 1848 01:36:01.720 --> 01:36:04.840 Look, voods voodoos here in the background, going can I 1849 01:36:04.960 --> 01:36:13.319 come to So he is playing a voodoo. I can't 1850 01:36:13.359 --> 01:36:15.760 believe you rolled the priest. When you think of think 1851 01:36:15.800 --> 01:36:17.800 of your friends, like we all have a million people 1852 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:20.479 that we play Wow with, but like think of your 1853 01:36:20.760 --> 01:36:23.199 mates that you play the game with and the last 1854 01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:26.000 class in the world you would ever picture them to 1855 01:36:26.159 --> 01:36:29.279 pick or you know, engage within in any way, shape 1856 01:36:29.359 --> 01:36:32.359 or form. I have never thought of a bigger contrast 1857 01:36:32.399 --> 01:36:35.520 in my life than priest and voodoo. Voodoo? What brought 1858 01:36:35.520 --> 01:36:40.560 this on? The guild needed to heal a mat Oh God, 1859 01:36:40.680 --> 01:36:41.640 you're a sweetheart. 1860 01:36:41.800 --> 01:36:46.479 Really, I can fulfill my lifelong dream of saying to Voodoo, 1861 01:36:46.960 --> 01:36:47.479 keat me up. 1862 01:36:48.399 --> 01:36:50.560 Yeah, yeah yeah. When you when you when you take 1863 01:36:50.600 --> 01:36:52.880 one hit and you get dropped to ninety three percent 1864 01:36:52.960 --> 01:36:55.199 healths the heill where's the heill keep me up? 1865 01:36:57.760 --> 01:36:58.199 Hat me up? 1866 01:36:58.199 --> 01:36:58.880 I'm making a play. 1867 01:37:00.439 --> 01:37:00.960 What was saying? 1868 01:37:01.119 --> 01:37:02.920 Arena threes? Yeah, there you go. 1869 01:37:03.119 --> 01:37:03.960 The PMR. 1870 01:37:04.119 --> 01:37:07.479 We used to call it PMR, you know, I see gine, 1871 01:37:07.800 --> 01:37:10.000 so like that's the correct way of saying it. 1872 01:37:10.119 --> 01:37:12.600 Yeah, did you actually say PMR. That's very strange. 1873 01:37:13.439 --> 01:37:17.880 Yeah, that's what we go, dear, but that yeah, yeah, 1874 01:37:18.000 --> 01:37:21.039 we wanted a bit different to the set bos On Frostborn. Right, 1875 01:37:21.079 --> 01:37:22.640 we were better than most of them. 1876 01:37:22.840 --> 01:37:30.319 So for for both both your like r M and 1877 01:37:30.520 --> 01:37:34.239 r M P, you will you will very quickly learn 1878 01:37:34.399 --> 01:37:37.920 like the basic script of how you should play, like 1879 01:37:38.960 --> 01:37:42.760 how's it start? How how should go about right? And 1880 01:37:43.079 --> 01:37:45.680 that will carry you through like ninety eight percent of 1881 01:37:45.800 --> 01:37:49.359 games going by that one script of who engages in 1882 01:37:49.479 --> 01:37:52.920 what manner, uses which ability in which sequence? You you 1883 01:37:53.000 --> 01:37:54.800 will get by like nine. 1884 01:37:55.560 --> 01:38:00.039 Oh no, I'm going to play a terrible quote unquote Yeah. 1885 01:38:00.399 --> 01:38:04.199 Would come with experience, right, voodoo. 1886 01:38:04.359 --> 01:38:06.520 I just presumed you were doing the Shadow Priest thing, 1887 01:38:06.600 --> 01:38:09.640 but you actually would heal for the Guild, would you be? 1888 01:38:09.800 --> 01:38:09.920 Guy? 1889 01:38:10.800 --> 01:38:14.520 Yeah, I'm doing strictly Healer full of Shadow for Freeze, 1890 01:38:14.560 --> 01:38:16.800 but I'm going to boost the warlock. 1891 01:38:16.520 --> 01:38:20.319 Up there's too many of you. Look at Easy Green, Voodoo, 1892 01:38:20.479 --> 01:38:22.560 all these guys that are like for the guild. I 1893 01:38:22.680 --> 01:38:25.720 love you guys. You're better people than myself and Marcus. 1894 01:38:27.039 --> 01:38:30.439 This disc priest. Rogue is very strong in TBC as well, 1895 01:38:31.399 --> 01:38:33.640 So you've got options here. If Marcus pisces you off, 1896 01:38:33.720 --> 01:38:35.359 you can go play with Voodoo or vice versa. 1897 01:38:35.680 --> 01:38:38.600 Marcus could never piss me off. My fucking comrade in 1898 01:38:38.760 --> 01:38:39.399 arms over there. 1899 01:38:41.000 --> 01:38:42.039 It's a good, good. 1900 01:38:41.960 --> 01:38:42.760 Thing, voodoos. 1901 01:38:43.119 --> 01:38:45.920 If Voodoo is not interested in Shadow Priest, if you have, 1902 01:38:46.319 --> 01:38:49.119 if you know someone that says that they're gonna play 1903 01:38:49.199 --> 01:38:52.920 shadow Priests in TBC, hold them close, check in on 1904 01:38:53.000 --> 01:38:55.720 them weekly, maybe buy them a Christmas present, because I 1905 01:38:55.800 --> 01:38:58.079 reckon there's going to be fuck all of them after well, 1906 01:38:58.279 --> 01:39:02.159 we all rolled it and it's fun for literally twelve weeks, 1907 01:39:02.279 --> 01:39:04.760 and then the class is absolute dog doodo by the 1908 01:39:04.880 --> 01:39:07.439 end of SCC that no one's gonna want to make 1909 01:39:07.479 --> 01:39:08.680 that mistake again. Shadow. 1910 01:39:08.920 --> 01:39:10.920 It's funny you bring up Shadow Priest because it's the 1911 01:39:11.000 --> 01:39:13.319 last class. I've said, I'm pretty much like I'm leaning 1912 01:39:13.359 --> 01:39:16.079 towards Rogue, and I'm really enjoying my time on Rogue. 1913 01:39:16.119 --> 01:39:18.399 So far but like one of the last specs just 1914 01:39:18.479 --> 01:39:20.119 I want to cross off my list to try just 1915 01:39:20.199 --> 01:39:21.880 to make sure I do or don't like it, is 1916 01:39:21.920 --> 01:39:24.279 shadow priest. I'm really intrigued by shadow priests. I might 1917 01:39:24.359 --> 01:39:27.720 not like it, but I've like the you know, everyone 1918 01:39:27.800 --> 01:39:30.640 knows rogue is. You know, TBC is not exactly the 1919 01:39:30.680 --> 01:39:33.239 best for the PVEE rogue, but like, I've been more 1920 01:39:33.279 --> 01:39:34.960 than happy to play it because I just like, you know, 1921 01:39:35.439 --> 01:39:37.520 I'm being a weirdo and going like I'm happy to 1922 01:39:37.600 --> 01:39:40.479 be the util guy in a heroic you know, the 1923 01:39:40.560 --> 01:39:43.960 thought of like sea seing shit everywhere all over heroic 1924 01:39:44.039 --> 01:39:45.960 just floats my boat because I'm a fucking weido like that. 1925 01:39:46.520 --> 01:39:48.800 But you know the concept of you know, hey, guys, 1926 01:39:48.840 --> 01:39:50.600 I'm not here for my damage. I'm here to fucking 1927 01:39:50.840 --> 01:39:53.199 give you the man of battery shit as its shadow priest. 1928 01:39:53.279 --> 01:39:55.439 That appeals to me as well. I'm just I'm trying 1929 01:39:55.439 --> 01:39:58.399 to be Captain Utility in fucking TVC because I can't 1930 01:39:58.439 --> 01:39:59.079 do anything else. 1931 01:40:00.319 --> 01:40:03.920 You've got to really go hard on appreciating your role 1932 01:40:04.079 --> 01:40:07.359 as a shadow Priest in TBC. But it's kind of 1933 01:40:07.479 --> 01:40:10.159 like the guys that love playing Shaman in classic and 1934 01:40:10.239 --> 01:40:12.479 they know that they're worthless except for their totems, but 1935 01:40:12.600 --> 01:40:15.399 that makes them happy. The problem is Shadow Priest actually 1936 01:40:15.439 --> 01:40:18.359 has a skill, like a skill floor in TBC, like 1937 01:40:18.479 --> 01:40:21.640 if you're and the entire point of your utility is 1938 01:40:21.720 --> 01:40:24.479 actually how well you can execute the class. So it's 1939 01:40:24.520 --> 01:40:27.920 the same role, but literally the polar extreme opposite. You 1940 01:40:27.960 --> 01:40:29.600 don't get to just chuck a stick on the floor 1941 01:40:29.720 --> 01:40:32.600 and go, I've done ninety eight percent of my job. Literally, 1942 01:40:32.680 --> 01:40:34.960 the more of a sweat lord you are, the greater 1943 01:40:35.039 --> 01:40:38.640 the Shadow priests utility becomes. So that's why they liked me, 1944 01:40:38.760 --> 01:40:41.079 because I went pretty hard in TBC on it. But 1945 01:40:41.439 --> 01:40:44.000 phase one just tricks you. They're all multi dot fights, 1946 01:40:44.520 --> 01:40:47.079 so you get to feel really fucking good about yourself 1947 01:40:47.279 --> 01:40:51.319 and then you realize, oh no, my damage is really bad. 1948 01:40:51.399 --> 01:40:53.439 When they don't give me eight ads to shadow word 1949 01:40:53.520 --> 01:40:56.640 pain in Mag's lair anymore, Holy fuck. And then you're like, 1950 01:40:57.359 --> 01:41:01.199 I mean, you'd be lucky to out DPS a fucking heelo. 1951 01:41:01.319 --> 01:41:03.319 By the end of the can I ask the dumb question? 1952 01:41:04.079 --> 01:41:05.399 I think I know the answer, but I want to 1953 01:41:05.399 --> 01:41:07.359 ask anyway. For my second dumb question of the podcast, 1954 01:41:07.439 --> 01:41:09.680 I'm breaking my own rules here, but I literally I'm 1955 01:41:09.720 --> 01:41:11.720 a freak. I go to sleep thinking about this stuff. 1956 01:41:11.720 --> 01:41:13.600 The last thought that went through my head last night 1957 01:41:13.640 --> 01:41:15.760 before I fucking closed my eyes and went to sleep 1958 01:41:15.960 --> 01:41:18.319 was as a shadow priest in a dungeon. Let's say 1959 01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:21.319 you're in an pardon me, let's say you're in a 1960 01:41:21.399 --> 01:41:25.640 heroic dungeon in TBC. As a shadow priest, you pull 1961 01:41:25.720 --> 01:41:28.199 a five pack. There's no cc anyway. You just fighting 1962 01:41:28.319 --> 01:41:32.840 five mobs. Do you, as the shadow priest v and 1963 01:41:33.560 --> 01:41:36.880 and shadow word pain every one of the five mobs? 1964 01:41:37.079 --> 01:41:39.479 Or do you focus one? I'm not sure. 1965 01:41:41.520 --> 01:41:45.199 I usually minds control one because the mobs are so 1966 01:41:45.399 --> 01:41:47.920 fucking strong to mind control, they'll do more damage than you. 1967 01:41:47.960 --> 01:41:51.359 If it's like three mobs, yeah, like and some like 1968 01:41:51.439 --> 01:41:55.600 I remember, is it shadow labs A fucking there's like 1969 01:41:55.760 --> 01:41:58.319 jewel wilding sword mobs or whatever. You just MC one 1970 01:41:58.399 --> 01:41:59.119 and just use its order. 1971 01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:01.359 Oh yeah yeah. But I'm saying. I'm saying for the 1972 01:42:01.760 --> 01:42:05.479 man of battery purposes, is it better to just get 1973 01:42:05.560 --> 01:42:08.039 a ve and shadow word pain on as many mobs 1974 01:42:08.079 --> 01:42:11.079 as possible? Or is it more manner just to ve 1975 01:42:11.479 --> 01:42:14.079 the first mob and start mind blasting and shadow the 1976 01:42:15.159 --> 01:42:16.520 you know mind flag and all that shit. 1977 01:42:18.520 --> 01:42:22.279 If you're talking about purely your manner output, I imagine 1978 01:42:22.479 --> 01:42:25.079 the single target would be better, But I think you'll 1979 01:42:25.119 --> 01:42:28.960 do more damage by multi dotting, and it's probably a 1980 01:42:29.039 --> 01:42:32.359 better Like it's better to do that, right. If there's 1981 01:42:32.439 --> 01:42:35.199 things to dot, you just dot, like your dots are 1982 01:42:35.239 --> 01:42:37.920 so strong, Like in Mag's lair, I stand in the 1983 01:42:38.119 --> 01:42:40.239 very center of the room, so I can just fucking 1984 01:42:40.279 --> 01:42:42.680 dot everything. And it's not my problem with our pull 1985 01:42:42.760 --> 01:42:44.680 threat on like the eighth one that no one's paying 1986 01:42:44.720 --> 01:42:47.920 attention to, because you know, details is all that matters. 1987 01:42:49.880 --> 01:42:52.880 Speaking of speaking of shadow person, the word fear keeps 1988 01:42:52.920 --> 01:42:55.000 up here. You just mentioned the word fear, and the 1989 01:42:55.159 --> 01:42:57.720 word fear is now appearing in twitch chat, and it 1990 01:42:57.840 --> 01:43:00.239 just triggered me because it just reminded me of and 1991 01:43:00.479 --> 01:43:02.000 I know a lot of you guys easy and I've 1992 01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:03.720 talked about it this a bunch over the last week 1993 01:43:03.800 --> 01:43:06.000 or so. A lot of you guys are already missing 1994 01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:08.239 some things that we just had on Epoch that have 1995 01:43:08.359 --> 01:43:10.840 now been taken away from us, and we're fucking crying 1996 01:43:10.880 --> 01:43:11.720 ourselves to sleep. 1997 01:43:12.319 --> 01:43:12.920 Me as a. 1998 01:43:12.960 --> 01:43:16.319 Warlock on Epoch, like mucking around with my Warlock on 1999 01:43:16.399 --> 01:43:22.039 TBC Anniversary, I fucking died that. Now my fear is 2000 01:43:22.159 --> 01:43:25.159 back to the old fear that they run away to 2001 01:43:25.199 --> 01:43:28.840 squillion miles an hour, they go so far. On Epoch, 2002 01:43:29.000 --> 01:43:31.640 they changed the way fear works for a warlock in 2003 01:43:31.800 --> 01:43:35.119 that you could now fear with reckless abandon quite confidently 2004 01:43:35.199 --> 01:43:38.359 in a dungeon because they ran half as far away 2005 01:43:38.439 --> 01:43:41.279 and they didn't move like they just ran that regular speed, 2006 01:43:41.439 --> 01:43:43.800 not at like twice the speed. So fear was really 2007 01:43:43.880 --> 01:43:46.920 really fun as a warlock on Epoch. And now I'm 2008 01:43:46.960 --> 01:43:49.279 back to it being like, it just feels like shit 2009 01:43:49.640 --> 01:43:52.119 that the way that the regular game uses it. But 2010 01:43:52.199 --> 01:43:55.600 that's just me easy. You've been missing some things from 2011 01:43:55.640 --> 01:44:03.079 Epoch as well. Maybe ak, that's all right, but anyway, 2012 01:44:03.119 --> 01:44:06.560 that just fucking triggered me. But the whole fear change, 2013 01:44:06.640 --> 01:44:08.079 But no, it's not changed, you know what I mean, 2014 01:44:08.159 --> 01:44:10.800 going back to the way it is. Boys, Let's keep 2015 01:44:10.880 --> 01:44:14.000 it going, Let's talk a little bit, let's have fun, 2016 01:44:14.079 --> 01:44:16.960 let's open it up. Let's let's go a bit divergent 2017 01:44:16.960 --> 01:44:21.479 because we've covered most of the news, guys, classes I mean, 2018 01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:25.399 we've already started talking about it. Who's who's leaning Uv, 2019 01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:26.720 what are your leaning. 2020 01:44:26.520 --> 01:44:34.279 Mate, I'm playing a Warrior because I don't like the 2021 01:44:34.359 --> 01:44:37.239 look of any of the casters in TBC, except for 2022 01:44:37.279 --> 01:44:38.920 Shadow Priests. But I don't want to do that again. 2023 01:44:39.199 --> 01:44:42.600 Like in terms of how they play, Warriors still has 2024 01:44:42.840 --> 01:44:46.640 buttons to press. Uh, Malay is almost always fun to 2025 01:44:46.760 --> 01:44:50.760 stand in there to avoid dying. But with that said, 2026 01:44:50.800 --> 01:44:52.560 who knows as soon as you give me your boost 2027 01:44:52.960 --> 01:44:54.520 knows what I might end up rolling? 2028 01:44:55.680 --> 01:44:58.239 There you go, Oh god, I think I'm already on 2029 01:44:58.319 --> 01:45:00.960 the hook for buying Hunker boost because otherwise he won't 2030 01:45:00.960 --> 01:45:05.840 play the game. Who knows, Marcus will will have to 2031 01:45:06.000 --> 01:45:09.000 fucking tie him to a chair and convince him to 2032 01:45:09.359 --> 01:45:11.920 play some more TVC with us. After the dungeon debarcle 2033 01:45:12.039 --> 01:45:12.479 last time. 2034 01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:15.239 Yeah, it would just like promise him there'll be no 2035 01:45:15.399 --> 01:45:17.920 dungeon debarkle this time and then hit him with a 2036 01:45:17.960 --> 01:45:18.520 big dungeon. 2037 01:45:19.199 --> 01:45:22.760 He's already said, he's already said he refuses to level 2038 01:45:22.840 --> 01:45:25.479 in any way, shape or form, which I respect. So 2039 01:45:25.680 --> 01:45:30.239 I've like, I'm half I'm half seriously entertaining, even though 2040 01:45:30.279 --> 01:45:34.119 you know, again, for Arcos's purposes, hypothetically, I might just 2041 01:45:34.199 --> 01:45:36.600 fire up a second account level and a character for 2042 01:45:36.760 --> 01:45:38.399 him and just hand it off to him once it's. 2043 01:45:38.319 --> 01:45:43.520 Seventy Yeah, yeah, hypothetically of course. 2044 01:45:43.640 --> 01:45:48.920 Yeah, hypothetically, Yeah, I can drive it into him because 2045 01:45:49.000 --> 01:45:50.840 I think he'd like, he would get some fun from it. 2046 01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:52.960 Oh, he would love to He always says he would 2047 01:45:53.000 --> 01:45:54.880 love to raid with us. He just says he's at 2048 01:45:54.920 --> 01:45:56.640 a point in his life where he refuses to ever 2049 01:45:56.720 --> 01:45:57.520 level ever again. 2050 01:45:57.560 --> 01:46:00.800 In Wow, what about Classic Plus? 2051 01:46:01.119 --> 01:46:03.439 Surely I think Classic Plus he might do. 2052 01:46:03.720 --> 01:46:07.920 Yeah, yeah, yeah, let's hypothetically do that. 2053 01:46:08.399 --> 01:46:12.000 Yeah hypothetically. Hey, you other guys, let's let's fucking throw 2054 01:46:12.039 --> 01:46:15.000 it around the table. Who is who knows what class 2055 01:46:15.039 --> 01:46:16.399 they're playing? And he's pumped for it. 2056 01:46:16.479 --> 01:46:21.399 In TBC Me Warrior, I'm keen why I've been taking 2057 01:46:21.479 --> 01:46:25.640 a bit here and there on you know, dream Safe, 2058 01:46:26.600 --> 01:46:28.640 and I'm just yeah, I don't know the way I've 2059 01:46:28.680 --> 01:46:31.439 played Well, my whole life is get to Max and 2060 01:46:31.600 --> 01:46:35.640 just do PvP and like just like PV just seems 2061 01:46:35.720 --> 01:46:38.840 like too much time. But now I'm giving it a 2062 01:46:38.880 --> 01:46:42.000 bit more of a go. Yeah, it's been fun. 2063 01:46:42.840 --> 01:46:45.159 Look, I'll push you on this one, camp see because 2064 01:46:45.159 --> 01:46:47.319 I love the sound of your voice mainly, but also 2065 01:46:47.560 --> 01:46:49.680 you actually raised a point that kept me up at 2066 01:46:49.760 --> 01:46:56.159 night over the last week. I Laz messaged me ten 2067 01:46:56.279 --> 01:46:57.720 days ago and goes, what are you going to play 2068 01:46:57.720 --> 01:47:00.239 in TBC? And I go Pro Warrior, Brother, This is 2069 01:47:00.239 --> 01:47:03.720 once I'd moved. I've gone Warlock, pro Warrior rogue, doing 2070 01:47:03.840 --> 01:47:06.319 the classic Josh thing. But I said, yeah, brother, prop Warrior, 2071 01:47:06.399 --> 01:47:09.720 let's fucking do this, and Galley boys just raised. He 2072 01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:12.319 goes prop Warrior in TBC. Geez, you better buy some 2073 01:47:12.439 --> 01:47:14.840 Bengay for your fucking hands, and look at. 2074 01:47:14.840 --> 01:47:15.439 Me I did. 2075 01:47:15.600 --> 01:47:18.960 I did hours of YouTube research on the prop Warrior 2076 01:47:19.000 --> 01:47:20.800 in TBC over the last week. I've been watching a 2077 01:47:20.880 --> 01:47:24.600 fuck load of content and it really does just seem like, 2078 01:47:24.680 --> 01:47:27.720 look now, I'm not dunking on the prop Warrior choice, don't. 2079 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:29.399 Don't fuck up what I'm saying here, but what I 2080 01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:32.479 will stress is it does seem to be incredibly accurate 2081 01:47:32.600 --> 01:47:35.560 that look, at the end of the day, you will 2082 01:47:35.600 --> 01:47:40.000 be working fucking hard, smashing buttons like a can't just 2083 01:47:40.199 --> 01:47:43.159 to maybe hold sixty percent of the mobs in the pack, 2084 01:47:43.319 --> 01:47:45.880 and fighting for your life in doing so. When you 2085 01:47:46.279 --> 01:47:48.439 sit there and watch the palette and who pressed one 2086 01:47:48.520 --> 01:47:50.920 button and never lose his threat can be frustrating. How 2087 01:47:50.960 --> 01:47:51.640 do you feel about it? 2088 01:47:52.479 --> 01:47:54.399 No, No, that sounds like a good time to me. 2089 01:47:55.079 --> 01:47:59.159 We go Yeah, No, I like a challenge, and I 2090 01:47:59.279 --> 01:48:01.960 feel like, I I know, like it's not just a 2091 01:48:02.319 --> 01:48:06.640 you don't just walk through everything, but PV in Wales 2092 01:48:06.920 --> 01:48:10.119 and in Classic Wells like not the hardest. So you know, 2093 01:48:10.439 --> 01:48:14.239 learning a three button DPS rotation doesn't really you know, 2094 01:48:14.600 --> 01:48:19.760 ring my bell, so I'd rather do five five button 2095 01:48:19.840 --> 01:48:20.279 sounds a right. 2096 01:48:20.359 --> 01:48:22.560 No, I agree that the Pro Warrior is a fuck 2097 01:48:22.640 --> 01:48:24.359 load of fun to play it like. It's a very 2098 01:48:24.439 --> 01:48:26.640 engaging class. That's why I wanted to play it. The 2099 01:48:26.800 --> 01:48:29.399 thing that steered me away is like, it's not it's 2100 01:48:29.479 --> 01:48:32.279 not working hard that turns me off. It's not fucking 2101 01:48:32.439 --> 01:48:37.199 smashing the APM. It's I would die if I was 2102 01:48:37.319 --> 01:48:40.960 smashing the APM, doing everything right, playing as perfectly as 2103 01:48:41.000 --> 01:48:42.800 I could play in a heroic five man as a 2104 01:48:42.840 --> 01:48:46.880 Pro Warrior, and not being rewarded with blanket thread, which 2105 01:48:46.920 --> 01:48:49.239 it seems like you are just going to constantly have 2106 01:48:49.439 --> 01:48:51.640 two mobs running off doing whatever they want because you 2107 01:48:51.920 --> 01:48:54.399 just can't spread the thread as much as you want. 2108 01:48:55.079 --> 01:49:02.960 That sounds ships and if you go into into rating 2109 01:49:03.159 --> 01:49:06.720 as well. It's like, I'm not saying that you necessarily 2110 01:49:06.800 --> 01:49:11.720 will just for the like especially I think this is 2111 01:49:13.159 --> 01:49:18.319 the most felt on Eldin. You'll you'll just die and 2112 01:49:19.239 --> 01:49:22.960 you and everyone in your raid will know. But if 2113 01:49:23.039 --> 01:49:27.119 you were a Faerl Bear tank, you wouldn't have died. 2114 01:49:27.399 --> 01:49:31.760 Wells on that difference, can I just say, let's get 2115 01:49:31.800 --> 01:49:34.039 I'm dying to get a bit nerdy, because you guys know, 2116 01:49:34.119 --> 01:49:35.720 I haven't done the fight, so I don't know what 2117 01:49:35.760 --> 01:49:38.880 I'm talking about. I'm just relaying the commentary that I 2118 01:49:39.000 --> 01:49:41.000 see on Reddit back to you. Now are costs. The 2119 01:49:41.159 --> 01:49:45.239 overwhelming opinion that I've seen regarding prop Warriors on Ilidin 2120 01:49:45.600 --> 01:49:48.800 is that, I look not overwhelming. That's probably not fair 2121 01:49:48.840 --> 01:49:51.439 to say, but a lot of people go like, oh mate, 2122 01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:56.359 fuck off. Prop Warrior is the best tank for Ilodin. 2123 01:49:56.800 --> 01:49:59.800 Fucking I'd love to see that Paladin or the Druid 2124 01:49:59.840 --> 01:50:00.319 on and she. 2125 01:50:02.119 --> 01:50:07.079 That's that's pretty accurate actually, and maybe maybe like later phase, 2126 01:50:07.159 --> 01:50:08.800 I mean, I know you could get to a point 2127 01:50:08.800 --> 01:50:11.760 where drew solo tank and even fire resistant tank the ads, 2128 01:50:12.920 --> 01:50:15.079 but early phase warriors. 2129 01:50:15.079 --> 01:50:19.279 Are very good against shere, particularly because what is. 2130 01:50:19.279 --> 01:50:21.520 It you hit that, you hit the block or the 2131 01:50:21.600 --> 01:50:23.479 cool down on it or something, and a mitigates a 2132 01:50:23.520 --> 01:50:23.880 bunch of it. 2133 01:50:24.279 --> 01:50:26.840 Yeah, shield block that thirty second cool down if I 2134 01:50:26.920 --> 01:50:27.760 remember incorrectly. 2135 01:50:28.319 --> 01:50:33.279 While yeah, you could block every single year, but it's 2136 01:50:33.359 --> 01:50:36.600 the time it's width shere that's kind of can't fuck 2137 01:50:36.680 --> 01:50:40.279 the way. I guess my experience having a Warrior through 2138 01:50:40.520 --> 01:50:42.479 most of TBC was just was not great. 2139 01:50:42.600 --> 01:50:46.479 But sorry, go Galli, I was Gonnay. 2140 01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:48.439 I'm pretty sure when he comes down it's a threat reset, 2141 01:50:48.479 --> 01:50:50.960 which of course is like also one of the biggest issues. 2142 01:50:51.239 --> 01:50:53.760 It's you know, it's I played Pro Warrior and I 2143 01:50:53.880 --> 01:50:56.600 hated being that guy, that fucking boomer that was like, 2144 01:50:56.840 --> 01:50:59.720 please give me three seconds. Like again, I'm not I 2145 01:51:00.159 --> 01:51:02.359 I did Arena for the threat gear. I you know, 2146 01:51:02.560 --> 01:51:05.680 I'm not a fucking potato half asleep at my keyboard, 2147 01:51:05.760 --> 01:51:08.159 you know, but I was. There were times where was like, please, 2148 01:51:08.279 --> 01:51:11.640 I just need a second to just grab arcos. 2149 01:51:11.720 --> 01:51:13.199 Let me throw you off with this. I sorry, kick 2150 01:51:13.239 --> 01:51:17.119 you off with this one. Sorry erdap is probably with 2151 01:51:17.359 --> 01:51:20.159 you and against me on this one. And again, I'm 2152 01:51:20.640 --> 01:51:23.039 fucking I don't know, I'm just saying what I read. 2153 01:51:23.279 --> 01:51:26.359 But he goes prop Warrior stinks on Ilidin. No, that's 2154 01:51:26.439 --> 01:51:29.199 not right. People want to burn the boss in phase three. 2155 01:51:29.640 --> 01:51:32.600 Warrior has the worst thread of the three tanks. Pali's 2156 01:51:32.640 --> 01:51:35.720 can easily reach the cap early in BT and that 2157 01:51:35.840 --> 01:51:38.279 that's true. I have heard like I don't mean to 2158 01:51:38.279 --> 01:51:41.279 shoot down the Paladin tank on Ilidin because apparently it's 2159 01:51:41.359 --> 01:51:42.880 not that big of a deal to just get the 2160 01:51:42.920 --> 01:51:44.520 gear that you need to be able to deal with 2161 01:51:44.600 --> 01:51:46.720 sear as a Paladin tank. What do you what do 2162 01:51:46.760 --> 01:51:48.079 you think of all of that arcos? 2163 01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:55.840 Okay, so oral, every all of the three tanks and 2164 01:51:55.960 --> 01:51:59.479 TPC can do all of the tanking jobs that need 2165 01:51:59.560 --> 01:52:03.920 to do it in TBC, right, you just it's one 2166 01:52:04.000 --> 01:52:06.399 of them, Like depending on which one you're playing or 2167 01:52:06.479 --> 01:52:10.439 playing with, you just need to ask yourself a few 2168 01:52:10.520 --> 01:52:14.840 different questions, right, And it's a good point with Ilden. 2169 01:52:15.279 --> 01:52:20.560 Are you okay within the last phase where you want 2170 01:52:20.720 --> 01:52:23.000 to burn the boss as fast as possible to avoid 2171 01:52:23.279 --> 01:52:26.760 like just people dying from fucking blue fire or green 2172 01:52:26.840 --> 01:52:29.960 fire or whatever red if you have a Warrior tank, 2173 01:52:30.439 --> 01:52:33.640 you're just gonna have to tell everyone, like you take 2174 01:52:33.640 --> 01:52:35.960 your hands off the keyboard when he lands for three, 2175 01:52:36.159 --> 01:52:38.600 four or five seconds. Let the boss hit the tank 2176 01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:40.800 a couple of times so that he has like rates 2177 01:52:40.840 --> 01:52:42.920 and he can press his buttons and then you can 2178 01:52:43.039 --> 01:52:46.520 start playing the game. That's just a just a not 2179 01:52:46.640 --> 01:52:49.920 really a negotiable thing for a lot of groups, either 2180 01:52:50.039 --> 01:52:52.479 because the players there just aren't smart enough to follow 2181 01:52:52.520 --> 01:52:54.800 instructions and not touch their keyboard, or they just don't 2182 01:52:54.840 --> 01:52:59.960 want to read. If you have a bear, he can 2183 01:53:00.039 --> 01:53:02.399 and it depends on player, of course, but he can 2184 01:53:03.319 --> 01:53:05.920 gear himself out of all of these issues. He can 2185 01:53:06.039 --> 01:53:08.279 just have such a high health pull and so so 2186 01:53:08.479 --> 01:53:11.279 good thoughts and defensives that he just doesn't have to 2187 01:53:11.680 --> 01:53:13.800 have to think about any of these things. Like he 2188 01:53:14.119 --> 01:53:19.479 just does the threat and he survives the damage. Right, Personally, 2189 01:53:19.760 --> 01:53:21.720 I would always want to have a pair main tank 2190 01:53:21.840 --> 01:53:25.079 and a Puddadent trust tank. But you also know that 2191 01:53:25.239 --> 01:53:27.560 all the Puddadent tanks they want to be the main 2192 01:53:27.680 --> 01:53:31.800 character in finally they have a tunt. They have very 2193 01:53:32.159 --> 01:53:34.720 main character syndrome. They want to be the guy. But 2194 01:53:34.840 --> 01:53:39.560 then like they don't have the threat that the bear has, 2195 01:53:39.680 --> 01:53:42.239 but you know they can gear every which way. 2196 01:53:45.159 --> 01:53:47.119 Very good, very good, very well said. Thank you for that. 2197 01:53:47.399 --> 01:53:50.960 But yeah, look, I will stress something that Arcos mentioned there, 2198 01:53:51.000 --> 01:53:54.600 like all the tanks can tank all the shit in TBC. 2199 01:53:54.760 --> 01:53:59.039 It's just that some fights are particularly good for prop warriors. 2200 01:53:59.319 --> 01:54:03.039 A lot may just be better for Bears and palis. 2201 01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:07.159 But I get the impression that, like you know, I 2202 01:54:07.199 --> 01:54:09.960 don't know, fifteen percent of the content in TBC in 2203 01:54:10.079 --> 01:54:12.399 terms of raid bosses is actually quite ideal for a 2204 01:54:12.439 --> 01:54:15.079 prop warrior, but the rest, yeah, not as much. So 2205 01:54:15.920 --> 01:54:17.399 what do you think of that? When you hear that 2206 01:54:17.479 --> 01:54:17.960 camp scene? 2207 01:54:18.680 --> 01:54:21.000 No, that's all good. I mean again, I'm not like, 2208 01:54:22.039 --> 01:54:24.119 you know, some of someone was saying, Josh, you're going 2209 01:54:24.159 --> 01:54:25.920 to make it to BT, and you're like, I doubt it. 2210 01:54:26.039 --> 01:54:28.279 I'm like, yeah, I doubt that too myself. 2211 01:54:29.359 --> 01:54:32.720 I just want to well, I flipped on that when 2212 01:54:32.760 --> 01:54:35.520 I was like, you know, did somebody say the word 2213 01:54:35.840 --> 01:54:38.680 we're joking about the glaves. I've been talking a lot 2214 01:54:38.680 --> 01:54:41.439 about glaves, but I'm half I'm half joking about it. 2215 01:54:42.720 --> 01:54:44.319 I'm like, fuck that, I've got to make it to 2216 01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:45.520 BT for those glaves. 2217 01:54:45.600 --> 01:54:51.960 Baby, Yeah, you've taken the rogue killed leader position to 2218 01:54:52.079 --> 01:54:52.680 get the cleaves. 2219 01:54:52.880 --> 01:54:53.079 Yeah. 2220 01:54:53.119 --> 01:54:56.760 Yeah, but no, I mean, it's all good I'm not 2221 01:54:56.880 --> 01:54:59.520 taking it that seriously. I wasn't even going to play TBC. 2222 01:55:00.760 --> 01:55:03.560 I only want to play because to get ten percent 2223 01:55:03.640 --> 01:55:08.000 of that experience of playing on Epoch because the boys 2224 01:55:08.039 --> 01:55:08.479 have moved over. 2225 01:55:08.560 --> 01:55:10.880 But yeah, well I said, the one thing that will 2226 01:55:10.920 --> 01:55:14.640 keep me away from BT is lightning solid. If they 2227 01:55:14.720 --> 01:55:16.439 drop it, that's it, that's it. 2228 01:55:17.800 --> 01:55:19.359 I'll shift over immediately to that. 2229 01:55:19.760 --> 01:55:22.359 I think a lot of people would. Arcos has got 2230 01:55:22.399 --> 01:55:24.119 to change pants already that we just mentioned it. 2231 01:55:27.279 --> 01:55:29.720 Yeah, there's a good question in Twitch though, with the 2232 01:55:29.800 --> 01:55:33.079 post and avalanch cap help change the tank prayer. I 2233 01:55:33.159 --> 01:55:36.479 think that's a good thought experiment because if the passes 2234 01:55:36.560 --> 01:55:41.039 do less damage than the defensive part of the pink 2235 01:55:41.680 --> 01:55:44.640 setups is probably irrelevant. 2236 01:55:45.600 --> 01:55:49.239 Is that so dumb? Dumb again? Third dumb question post nerve. 2237 01:55:49.479 --> 01:55:52.520 Does that mean less boss damage or just lower health pools? 2238 01:55:52.640 --> 01:55:57.880 I don't remember. I don't remember, honestly, I just I 2239 01:55:57.960 --> 01:56:00.279 don't remember it because once the nerves came and we 2240 01:56:00.319 --> 01:56:03.279 stopped caring about the raids and we just afk our 2241 01:56:03.359 --> 01:56:04.079 way through them. 2242 01:56:04.039 --> 01:56:07.399 And well, I guess even lower health pulls would change 2243 01:56:07.399 --> 01:56:09.720 the landscape if your tank doesn't have to stay up 2244 01:56:09.800 --> 01:56:10.279 as long. 2245 01:56:13.000 --> 01:56:18.479 Yeah, like no, like with a lower helpful on the boss, 2246 01:56:18.520 --> 01:56:20.439 you want to burn it faster so you can avoid 2247 01:56:20.560 --> 01:56:25.000 more mechanics. So then just threat per second becomes keen 2248 01:56:25.359 --> 01:56:29.960 in my opinion. Well, I don't remember. If the damage 2249 01:56:30.039 --> 01:56:33.319 of the process was decreased. I think so, but yeah, honestly, 2250 01:56:33.399 --> 01:56:33.800 just don't know. 2251 01:56:34.640 --> 01:56:38.760 All right, Vestige, what are you playing and why are 2252 01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:39.640 you excited about it? 2253 01:56:41.920 --> 01:56:43.920 I'm leaving towards the Shadow Priest right now. 2254 01:56:44.640 --> 01:56:46.239 Yeah, you want to be you want to be the 2255 01:56:46.279 --> 01:56:47.680 guy everyone you just want to be loved. 2256 01:56:49.279 --> 01:56:53.359 Yeah, that's pretty much it. Nobody wants you there except 2257 01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:55.479 when you're not there. Then they realize, oh shit, he 2258 01:56:55.600 --> 01:56:57.479 actually brings a lot of man to the raid and 2259 01:56:57.600 --> 01:56:58.159 we need him. 2260 01:56:58.560 --> 01:56:59.840 But fuck is DPS. 2261 01:57:00.439 --> 01:57:03.319 So that's pretty much where I planned to be. Yeah, 2262 01:57:03.760 --> 01:57:06.680 Shout out Pretty is just very engaging rotation. It's just 2263 01:57:06.840 --> 01:57:07.640 very fun to play. 2264 01:57:09.439 --> 01:57:11.800 Yeah, that's kind of where I'm leaning towards right now. 2265 01:57:12.039 --> 01:57:14.199 All right, Zada, Sorry, I don't know if you're there. 2266 01:57:14.560 --> 01:57:18.000 We've had you sitting quietly in the corner this whole time. Mate, 2267 01:57:18.039 --> 01:57:19.880 I love you, Do you know what you're playing for? TBC? 2268 01:57:23.439 --> 01:57:25.319 He doesn't love me back. That's a right, he'll be afk. 2269 01:57:26.439 --> 01:57:28.600 Who we got here? Parallax? Mate? How are you? 2270 01:57:30.600 --> 01:57:31.039 I'm all right? 2271 01:57:31.119 --> 01:57:33.680 How are you good? Do you know what you're playing for? TBC? 2272 01:57:35.479 --> 01:57:38.600 No, I have no idea, although once the boost is out, 2273 01:57:38.680 --> 01:57:40.239 if you can't use it on a paladin, I'm going 2274 01:57:40.279 --> 01:57:42.960 to be bombed because I might invoke my jo Viajellini. 2275 01:57:43.319 --> 01:57:45.800 Well they've already said, mate, unfortunately you cannot use it 2276 01:57:45.880 --> 01:57:46.479 for a paladin. 2277 01:57:47.600 --> 01:57:48.840 Well, maybe they'll change their mind. 2278 01:57:48.920 --> 01:57:49.199 I don't know. 2279 01:57:50.439 --> 01:57:52.720 Yeah, I feel like I feel like a lot of 2280 01:57:52.800 --> 01:57:55.039 these decisions could be changed in the next couple of months, 2281 01:57:55.079 --> 01:57:55.840 so we'll see. 2282 01:57:57.199 --> 01:57:57.600 Real quick. 2283 01:57:57.600 --> 01:58:02.199 I was going to lose a human paladin, true, Galli, 2284 01:58:02.279 --> 01:58:02.920 what are we gonn saying? 2285 01:58:03.439 --> 01:58:03.640 Yeah? 2286 01:58:03.640 --> 01:58:05.600 I was gonna bring that up earlier, and I didn't 2287 01:58:05.600 --> 01:58:07.760 want to say the word like they set the precedent 2288 01:58:07.920 --> 01:58:10.439 with MOP, because I understand it's a different game. But 2289 01:58:10.560 --> 01:58:13.520 with MOP released, they allowed the boost of Panderan and 2290 01:58:13.600 --> 01:58:17.279 monks and them not doing Chouman and Paladen is just 2291 01:58:17.359 --> 01:58:19.680 a very again, weird thing to do. 2292 01:58:19.920 --> 01:58:21.760 Yes, maybe they will walk. 2293 01:58:21.640 --> 01:58:24.199 It back and and can you remind me how many 2294 01:58:24.239 --> 01:58:27.319 people rioted because you could boost a monk in MOP? 2295 01:58:27.479 --> 01:58:32.359 Gally boy, I have no idea. D zero zero was 2296 01:58:32.399 --> 01:58:36.960 the number I believe because nobody gives a fuck anymore. 2297 01:58:37.279 --> 01:58:42.039 Nobody fucking cares, especially with round two of TV. Yes, 2298 01:58:42.119 --> 01:58:45.279 I understand that I could understand them being cautious on 2299 01:58:45.359 --> 01:58:47.600 the first time, but we've done this before. 2300 01:58:49.239 --> 01:58:53.000 Kills me anyway, what was I gonna say? 2301 01:58:53.560 --> 01:58:53.680 Uh? 2302 01:58:55.840 --> 01:58:57.359 Was class checking on people? 2303 01:58:57.720 --> 01:58:57.920 Yes? 2304 01:58:58.199 --> 01:59:00.640 Yes, there was something. Oh no, sorry, Parallel raised the 2305 01:59:00.640 --> 01:59:02.760 boost point which we haven't talked about, which we should 2306 01:59:02.800 --> 01:59:05.399 talk about. I made the joke about the low low 2307 01:59:05.520 --> 01:59:07.840 price of seventy nine ninety nine for the fu USD 2308 01:59:08.039 --> 01:59:10.720 for the boost before. This has been a really big 2309 01:59:10.840 --> 01:59:11.479 talking point. 2310 01:59:11.560 --> 01:59:11.840 Guys. 2311 01:59:12.000 --> 01:59:15.640 Look, the boost, you'll have to remind me, was a 2312 01:59:15.800 --> 01:59:19.079 very different price four years ago. I mean, we can 2313 01:59:19.159 --> 01:59:22.159 talk about inflation and whatnot, but fuck me dead, they're 2314 01:59:22.319 --> 01:59:24.680 really going forward this time around with the eighty dollars 2315 01:59:24.760 --> 01:59:26.520 USD price tag. Is that correct? 2316 01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:28.159 Well? 2317 01:59:28.199 --> 01:59:30.119 I think there are I think the planners are going 2318 01:59:30.159 --> 01:59:31.880 to have just a boost by itself, but it's going 2319 01:59:31.920 --> 01:59:35.560 to cheaper have that where we're that I've heard I've 2320 01:59:35.560 --> 01:59:36.960 heard some data mining going on. 2321 01:59:37.119 --> 01:59:39.640 Oh okay, well, yeah, to be fair, this hasn't been 2322 01:59:39.680 --> 01:59:42.279 announced it's just been data mined, right or what? No, 2323 01:59:42.439 --> 01:59:45.119 did they announce the analyogy and you can buy it 2324 01:59:45.279 --> 01:59:45.800 right now? 2325 01:59:47.039 --> 01:59:49.079 You can buy it on the shop. But I think 2326 01:59:49.119 --> 01:59:51.119 what they're doing is like at the moment, you can 2327 01:59:51.199 --> 01:59:54.479 get the super epic version, which is in Australian dollars 2328 01:59:54.560 --> 01:59:56.279 like one hundred and thirty bucks or something, and that 2329 01:59:56.399 --> 02:00:00.199 gets you fucking amount a toy, some pet, all the 2330 02:00:00.239 --> 02:00:03.199 other bullshit and the Boost. So you're gonna you have 2331 02:00:03.359 --> 02:00:05.920 to pay one hundred and thirty Australian to get the boots, yeah. 2332 02:00:05.800 --> 02:00:08.319 Because because the other package, the cheaper package, does not 2333 02:00:08.479 --> 02:00:09.199 include the Boost. 2334 02:00:09.319 --> 02:00:11.680 Yeah, it doesn't have it. But I reckon that they're 2335 02:00:11.760 --> 02:00:13.960 just putting this on the shop and then lo and 2336 02:00:14.039 --> 02:00:18.359 behold come like January fucking fourth boom. You can buy 2337 02:00:18.399 --> 02:00:19.880 the Boost just on its own, But they're not going 2338 02:00:19.960 --> 02:00:21.600 to say that you can do that now because then 2339 02:00:21.640 --> 02:00:23.800 you won't buy this one. Yeah yeah, yeah, And so 2340 02:00:24.439 --> 02:00:28.119 I mean, and I'm really not that excited, nor can 2341 02:00:28.199 --> 02:00:30.079 you use any of the things that they have on 2342 02:00:30.199 --> 02:00:33.479 there right now, So like, I don't know why you'd 2343 02:00:33.560 --> 02:00:36.520 rush to pay this extortion at price for this version. Yeah, 2344 02:00:36.720 --> 02:00:39.119 So probably its singularly you're right. 2345 02:00:39.359 --> 02:00:41.800 Can I just say again, I mean it is fucking 2346 02:00:42.039 --> 02:00:46.199 outrageous in aud just for all Uassi's out there, one 2347 02:00:46.319 --> 02:00:49.600 hundred and twenty seven dollars and ninety five cents for 2348 02:00:49.720 --> 02:00:52.840 the boost like that is. Look, I get I get 2349 02:00:52.920 --> 02:00:54.720 that there's other shit. I shouldn't just say for the boost. 2350 02:00:54.800 --> 02:00:56.840 I get that there's other things in the package. 2351 02:00:57.920 --> 02:00:58.079 You know. 2352 02:00:59.000 --> 02:01:04.119 It's just that's a very high That is literally the 2353 02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:09.039 price of like a brand new top tier Triple A game. Like, like, 2354 02:01:09.159 --> 02:01:11.279 it's even more. The COD costs one hundred and ten. 2355 02:01:11.520 --> 02:01:13.159 COD costs one hundred and ten when it comes out. 2356 02:01:13.199 --> 02:01:14.239 This is one hundred and thirty. 2357 02:01:15.119 --> 02:01:17.560 That's like how much I paid to get like the 2358 02:01:17.680 --> 02:01:20.760 fancy Pants Edition of Battlefield six coming out at the 2359 02:01:20.840 --> 02:01:24.119 peak of its pre release hype, like pre order price. Yeah, 2360 02:01:24.680 --> 02:01:26.520 like one hundred and thirty and you've got some shit 2361 02:01:26.600 --> 02:01:26.720 with that. 2362 02:01:26.920 --> 02:01:30.720 Granted it comes with thirty days of game time. Wow, thanks, 2363 02:01:31.119 --> 02:01:33.119 But like that, this is. 2364 02:01:34.479 --> 02:01:40.359 It gets so much in my opinion of mounts and toys. 2365 02:01:40.520 --> 02:01:41.039 Who cares? 2366 02:01:41.319 --> 02:01:45.319 Yeah, no, it gets two flying mounts, epic flying months. 2367 02:01:45.640 --> 02:01:48.960 You get up ground mounts, and you get some pats 2368 02:01:49.239 --> 02:01:51.399 and some toys and some horse storm shit that nobody 2369 02:01:51.439 --> 02:01:51.880 cares about. 2370 02:01:53.119 --> 02:01:54.960 Are those are those? 2371 02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:55.520 Yeah? 2372 02:01:55.600 --> 02:01:57.840 Are those epic flying mounts? I thought they were regular. 2373 02:01:59.680 --> 02:02:02.800 Well, I'm assuming because it's another Drake that it's an 2374 02:02:02.840 --> 02:02:03.439 epic moment. 2375 02:02:05.800 --> 02:02:07.640 Also crossover to retail to you. 2376 02:02:08.399 --> 02:02:11.760 Okay, if that, if that's an epic, If that's epic, 2377 02:02:11.840 --> 02:02:13.600 that is a game changer. Like someone just said that, 2378 02:02:13.720 --> 02:02:15.079 that does shift things a little bit. 2379 02:02:16.560 --> 02:02:18.079 I think I'm assuming. 2380 02:02:19.279 --> 02:02:21.680 Is a TVC where the mounts are still cheaper, but 2381 02:02:21.720 --> 02:02:23.760 the training is the one that's expensive. I mean, that's 2382 02:02:23.760 --> 02:02:25.680 still saves if. 2383 02:02:25.600 --> 02:02:28.960 You do another Drake quest together for free. Right, that's my. 2384 02:02:29.039 --> 02:02:30.479 Memory, remember. 2385 02:02:32.560 --> 02:02:34.199 Basically, so it's like buying. 2386 02:02:34.039 --> 02:02:37.239 It's like available until later, Right, another Drake. 2387 02:02:37.119 --> 02:02:41.520 Quests getting an epic mount skin doesn't mean jack ship. 2388 02:02:41.520 --> 02:02:43.199 It's the fucking writing costs. 2389 02:02:43.239 --> 02:02:45.520 The cost, that's what That's what I'm saying. You're effectively 2390 02:02:45.600 --> 02:02:47.159 buying five thousand gold, right. 2391 02:02:48.760 --> 02:02:54.399 If you get the training with it, you're going to 2392 02:02:54.439 --> 02:02:54.680 give you. 2393 02:02:56.800 --> 02:02:59.840 You reckon, they won't, no fucking chance, they're not going 2394 02:02:59.920 --> 02:03:03.199 to for fucking then. That's why I like, that's useless 2395 02:03:03.239 --> 02:03:04.880 to you when the fuck you're gonna have five thousand 2396 02:03:04.920 --> 02:03:07.600 gold to get epic flying. So it's actually it's more 2397 02:03:07.640 --> 02:03:09.319 of a ripoff for you to buy this package. 2398 02:03:09.319 --> 02:03:11.800 You know, don't get but that's what I'm trying to 2399 02:03:11.840 --> 02:03:14.600 get to the bottom of. Is this a one hundred 2400 02:03:14.600 --> 02:03:17.800 and thirty dollars by passing of the five thousand gold 2401 02:03:17.920 --> 02:03:20.640 needed to get fight or not? So then if it 2402 02:03:20.760 --> 02:03:24.239 doesn't give you the epic flying training skill, it is 2403 02:03:24.359 --> 02:03:25.359 a massive ripoff. 2404 02:03:26.159 --> 02:03:30.760 Yeah, and like the al right, sorry, the the economic 2405 02:03:30.960 --> 02:03:34.640 warlords that are here, five k ain't fucking nothing in TBC. Like, 2406 02:03:34.720 --> 02:03:37.760 that's the it's the most ball ache gold sink of 2407 02:03:37.840 --> 02:03:41.359 the fucking expansion in my like from the average player, 2408 02:03:41.720 --> 02:03:44.520 it's not actually easy to get five k gold epic flying. 2409 02:03:44.680 --> 02:03:45.800 So you can just buy. 2410 02:03:48.880 --> 02:03:50.800 Leapt for their epic mount back in the day. 2411 02:03:51.439 --> 02:03:54.560 Yeah, so break down the cost of the pack, right, 2412 02:03:54.680 --> 02:03:59.000 it's eighty dollars. Let's assume that it is an epic month. 2413 02:03:59.079 --> 02:03:59.800 We don't know. 2414 02:04:00.159 --> 02:04:01.760 No, let me let me just say, let me just 2415 02:04:01.800 --> 02:04:03.560 say this, arcost Archos arlest let me just say this, 2416 02:04:03.880 --> 02:04:07.119 Doctor pez in Twitch is saying, bundle mounts scale with 2417 02:04:07.319 --> 02:04:10.399 the skill you have and always have has been that way. 2418 02:04:11.159 --> 02:04:16.000 Yeah, right, spread, Okay, if we assume that it's not epic. 2419 02:04:16.079 --> 02:04:20.359 Then then you're paying like twenty dollars for flying month. 2420 02:04:20.399 --> 02:04:22.479 What's that thousand thousand goods to fly? 2421 02:04:22.680 --> 02:04:27.680 Right? Regati, you won't be able to do you won't 2422 02:04:27.680 --> 02:04:29.039 be able to cast it if you don't have the 2423 02:04:29.079 --> 02:04:29.680 writing skill. 2424 02:04:32.199 --> 02:04:34.279 No, no, no, so yeah one once, that's right, So 2425 02:04:34.399 --> 02:04:38.920 you have to you have to get a flying writing skill, 2426 02:04:39.319 --> 02:04:41.640 and then you can use this thing, presumably, and it 2427 02:04:41.680 --> 02:04:44.840 will just scale with I bought the one thousand regular 2428 02:04:45.239 --> 02:04:47.600 you know writing that will go at that speed, and 2429 02:04:47.680 --> 02:04:49.880 then once you're up by the five thousand you know 2430 02:04:49.960 --> 02:04:51.840 writing then will upscale to that speed. 2431 02:04:57.479 --> 02:05:01.560 Yeah, but it feels weird to a pack that has 2432 02:05:01.680 --> 02:05:03.399 stuff in it that you can't use. 2433 02:05:04.720 --> 02:05:09.199 Well, that's just you know consumer when like, well, so 2434 02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:12.199 so what what what would likely happen is you could 2435 02:05:12.439 --> 02:05:15.960 because I think they did this with Wrath. Well, you 2436 02:05:16.079 --> 02:05:19.880 can use the flying mounts, but unless you have ground 2437 02:05:19.960 --> 02:05:22.119 flying unlocked, it's a ground mount right right, right, so 2438 02:05:22.199 --> 02:05:24.039 then you know you can you can walk around on 2439 02:05:24.119 --> 02:05:26.720 your another drink, but then you need to hit whatever 2440 02:05:26.760 --> 02:05:29.840 the fuck it is sixty eight to get flying, and 2441 02:05:29.960 --> 02:05:31.880 then you get slow flying, and then it goes to 2442 02:05:32.279 --> 02:05:36.279 sixty percent or one fifty and then when you pay 2443 02:05:36.439 --> 02:05:39.119 the five thousand for the epic writing, then it goes faster. 2444 02:05:39.239 --> 02:05:41.800 All the real gamers know the walking around on europic 2445 02:05:41.920 --> 02:05:42.720 Mount is the way. 2446 02:05:42.600 --> 02:05:45.720 To do it. Yeah. That just just to really confirm 2447 02:05:45.760 --> 02:05:49.439 for everybody. TBC has these slow shit flying when it's 2448 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:49.960 not epic. 2449 02:05:50.079 --> 02:05:51.039 It is horrendous. 2450 02:05:51.199 --> 02:05:53.720 It feels like you're swimming in the air. It is 2451 02:05:53.840 --> 02:05:55.880 not one fifty, it is sixty percent. 2452 02:05:56.119 --> 02:06:00.119 It's fucking hope that they would change that, right, But 2453 02:06:00.840 --> 02:06:02.119 they ain't changing it, are they. 2454 02:06:04.279 --> 02:06:07.399 I still remember the disappointment of like getting it and 2455 02:06:07.479 --> 02:06:11.279 then taking off from Shadow in Valley and going, oh no, 2456 02:06:11.560 --> 02:06:13.279 I'd rather just go on off ground. 2457 02:06:14.159 --> 02:06:16.439 You're running along on the ground faster and you take 2458 02:06:16.479 --> 02:06:18.600 off like a brick wall. It's like, oh. 2459 02:06:20.159 --> 02:06:23.479 Yeah, let's still if we still break down the cost 2460 02:06:23.560 --> 02:06:26.920 of this, I would I would expect a singular boost, 2461 02:06:28.239 --> 02:06:31.560 like just one boost, to be around four dollars. 2462 02:06:32.039 --> 02:06:34.319 It'll be eighty bucks, man, It's it's just eighty like 2463 02:06:34.600 --> 02:06:37.279 it's eighty bucks like it was in mob it is 2464 02:06:37.399 --> 02:06:39.159 in retail it's eighty bucks. 2465 02:06:39.880 --> 02:06:41.800 You mean eight you mean eighty au. 2466 02:06:41.680 --> 02:06:48.039 D whatever, sixty USD eighty a eighty AU So, yeah, 2467 02:06:48.199 --> 02:06:49.760 sixty for boosts. 2468 02:06:50.319 --> 02:06:51.840 That's the that's the price. 2469 02:06:51.720 --> 02:06:53.560 If you take away the cost of this or like 2470 02:06:53.720 --> 02:06:58.319 it's it's sixty sixty five dollars outside of the game. 2471 02:06:58.199 --> 02:07:01.319 Time right to be again, to go full ogre c 2472 02:07:01.520 --> 02:07:06.119 sweet guy. In all honesty, I want to talk to 2473 02:07:06.199 --> 02:07:11.560 the businessman in this room. Would you release the boost 2474 02:07:11.600 --> 02:07:14.720 standalone or would you just presume it will work out 2475 02:07:14.760 --> 02:07:16.359 and you'll make more money if you just keep it 2476 02:07:16.439 --> 02:07:17.159 to this package. 2477 02:07:19.000 --> 02:07:22.319 I would give a stand alone, but only once you've 2478 02:07:22.439 --> 02:07:23.640 bought the bundle first. 2479 02:07:24.960 --> 02:07:31.239 That's you need to edit that out before they do it. 2480 02:07:35.039 --> 02:07:36.680 You buy three boosts, you can do it on a 2481 02:07:36.720 --> 02:07:43.000 blood oh six times. 2482 02:07:43.640 --> 02:07:46.319 Yeah, if they're not going to cap it to one 2483 02:07:46.399 --> 02:07:49.920 per account, I would only sell them in bundles of five, 2484 02:07:50.119 --> 02:07:52.079 so you have to hard commit. And it costs like 2485 02:07:52.199 --> 02:07:54.319 three hundred and sixty dollars to get five of them 2486 02:07:54.359 --> 02:07:56.880 for a minor saving. So it's either you get five 2487 02:07:57.359 --> 02:07:59.359 characters that you get none. That that would be my take. 2488 02:08:00.000 --> 02:08:01.840 It's like buying hot cross funds. You've got to get 2489 02:08:01.920 --> 02:08:02.720 the fucking old. 2490 02:08:03.760 --> 02:08:05.159 You can never get one of them. 2491 02:08:08.439 --> 02:08:09.760 It's it's a bad time for me. 2492 02:08:10.359 --> 02:08:12.000 All right, man, thank you so much. 2493 02:08:14.840 --> 02:08:15.239 Drops his. 2494 02:08:16.720 --> 02:08:19.600 Yeah yeah, yeah, oh god, that's funny. But anyway, yeah, 2495 02:08:19.840 --> 02:08:22.680 I mean, look, guys, I understand that you are getting 2496 02:08:22.760 --> 02:08:25.319 something for your money, but like that that price is 2497 02:08:25.560 --> 02:08:28.640 like Blizzard has been very well known for some time 2498 02:08:28.760 --> 02:08:33.720 now for their ridonculously exorbitant digital prices. You know, I 2499 02:08:33.840 --> 02:08:36.199 still I still laugh when I see the price of 2500 02:08:36.239 --> 02:08:39.079 a name change and shit like that. But they charge 2501 02:08:39.119 --> 02:08:42.119 it because they get away with it, and like I'm look, 2502 02:08:42.479 --> 02:08:44.159 I'm not saying like obviously a bunch of people are 2503 02:08:44.159 --> 02:08:46.079 going to buy this boost that's fine. Fuck, I may 2504 02:08:46.239 --> 02:08:49.279 even buy one. I don't know. I am leaning against it, 2505 02:08:49.439 --> 02:08:52.199 like the price when I saw the price, so I've 2506 02:08:52.239 --> 02:08:54.560 got the money. But when I saw the price, I 2507 02:08:54.720 --> 02:08:58.439 really did like get the EG and go like like 2508 02:08:58.640 --> 02:09:01.000 no thanks, I'll just level the character. Fuck. 2509 02:09:04.680 --> 02:09:07.039 There is a there is a cap to it though, 2510 02:09:07.119 --> 02:09:08.800 to where it's not worth the money, Like if they 2511 02:09:08.880 --> 02:09:11.840 start getting really greedy one hundred dollars, then a lot 2512 02:09:11.840 --> 02:09:14.520 of people wouldn't buy it. But the hours you save 2513 02:09:14.720 --> 02:09:18.079 paying sixty dollars, I mean, dude, unless you're making like 2514 02:09:18.159 --> 02:09:20.039 five bucks an hour like at your job. 2515 02:09:19.920 --> 02:09:21.920 That's yeah, yeah, yeah, I get that. I get that, 2516 02:09:22.239 --> 02:09:23.479 but well, if I. 2517 02:09:23.479 --> 02:09:25.640 Haven't been subscribed in five months, you know. 2518 02:09:27.560 --> 02:09:29.199 I'm just like if I get if I get half 2519 02:09:29.239 --> 02:09:31.119 a level a day for the next two months, I'm 2520 02:09:31.159 --> 02:09:32.680 ready and I don't have to pay that money. 2521 02:09:32.800 --> 02:09:33.079 I don't know. 2522 02:09:33.159 --> 02:09:36.520 See how if you really love leveling, then don't don't 2523 02:09:36.640 --> 02:09:37.119 fucking buy it. 2524 02:09:37.560 --> 02:09:40.680 Yeah, it's a quote big les eighty bucks. 2525 02:09:41.079 --> 02:09:43.880 Eighty bucks. That's slab, a piece of pack of Winni blues. 2526 02:09:44.039 --> 02:09:46.439 It is gets some bitches over and the boys. Yeah, 2527 02:09:46.680 --> 02:09:49.199 you know, so like fucking there's a million things I'd 2528 02:09:49.279 --> 02:09:50.039 rather spend. 2529 02:09:49.840 --> 02:09:50.640 That on a slab. 2530 02:09:50.680 --> 02:09:52.399 A piece of a pack of Winni Blues is one 2531 02:09:52.399 --> 02:09:54.119 of those fucking things. I can assure you that. 2532 02:09:55.039 --> 02:09:58.399 I wonder if the steep increase in price is because 2533 02:09:58.479 --> 02:10:01.560 they acknowledge the gold price and this is still a 2534 02:10:01.680 --> 02:10:04.640 much cheaper option than For example, if you were to 2535 02:10:04.680 --> 02:10:08.119 buy gold to get boost by those friendly majors, you 2536 02:10:08.159 --> 02:10:10.640 would spend a lot more than what this boost cost is. 2537 02:10:11.279 --> 02:10:15.359 And I I mean, maybe it's two tinfoil hat theory, 2538 02:10:15.479 --> 02:10:17.920 but it's a bit of a coincidence that gold was 2539 02:10:17.920 --> 02:10:19.880 a lot cheaper last time, so the boost was a 2540 02:10:19.960 --> 02:10:23.159 lot cheaper, and now gold's fucking expensive compared to them, 2541 02:10:23.600 --> 02:10:26.159 and now the best is more expensive too. It's almost 2542 02:10:26.239 --> 02:10:27.319 like they're on the same sea. 2543 02:10:27.199 --> 02:10:31.399 Saw always. 2544 02:10:32.880 --> 02:10:33.239 There you go. 2545 02:10:34.399 --> 02:10:37.439 Unfortunately, they will always have the excuse of just saying, well, 2546 02:10:37.479 --> 02:10:39.880 it's to get your friends who haven't been playing, you know, 2547 02:10:40.000 --> 02:10:40.960 cut up to everybody. 2548 02:10:42.119 --> 02:10:46.640 Mm hmm, all right, well boys, we'll have a bitch 2549 02:10:46.680 --> 02:10:49.840 about that. We'll go back to the fun stuff. Who 2550 02:10:49.920 --> 02:10:53.359 didn't I press on what they're playing? And why let 2551 02:10:53.399 --> 02:10:55.399 me think, Campcy, you said you're playing a warrior. U 2552 02:10:55.439 --> 02:10:58.720 he's playing a warrior. Voode's playing a priest because he's 2553 02:10:58.720 --> 02:11:02.399 a fucking chad. Vestige is playing a priest. Who else 2554 02:11:02.439 --> 02:11:04.920 we got here? We've got like likeno, mate, are you there? 2555 02:11:04.960 --> 02:11:07.239 You've been quietly and politely sitting there in the corner. 2556 02:11:07.399 --> 02:11:07.720 How are you? 2557 02:11:07.840 --> 02:11:08.079 Mane? 2558 02:11:09.239 --> 02:11:11.680 I'm doing great, mate, I'm going to be sticking with 2559 02:11:11.840 --> 02:11:14.640 my warrior Mane. But this time around, I've got badge 2560 02:11:14.640 --> 02:11:16.079 of the swarm Guard and thunder Fury. 2561 02:11:16.239 --> 02:11:17.840 There you go. Look at it. Look at all these 2562 02:11:17.920 --> 02:11:21.840 fucking warriors. Here we go all over again. It's happening. 2563 02:11:24.119 --> 02:11:26.079 Very good, very good. Love your badge at the badge 2564 02:11:26.079 --> 02:11:29.560 of the swarm Guard cast it. You're stuck to your mage. 2565 02:11:29.399 --> 02:11:31.279 Right, Uh? 2566 02:11:32.520 --> 02:11:33.000 Not really? 2567 02:11:33.359 --> 02:11:33.840 I mean. 2568 02:11:35.600 --> 02:11:37.760 I'm probably gonna end up just using my mage for 2569 02:11:39.600 --> 02:11:41.119 I don't know, farming and whatnot. 2570 02:11:42.840 --> 02:11:45.079 Oh well, sorry, we didn't talk about you won't be 2571 02:11:45.239 --> 02:11:47.640 using it for boosting, will you? Because apparently there's anti 2572 02:11:47.680 --> 02:11:49.520 boosting mechanics on the PTR. 2573 02:11:50.199 --> 02:11:50.960 That's right. 2574 02:11:51.159 --> 02:11:53.840 So yeah, so I'll probably end up using them for 2575 02:11:53.920 --> 02:11:57.239 my farming. Most likely I'm going to end up going druid. 2576 02:11:57.840 --> 02:11:58.880 So there you go. 2577 02:11:59.279 --> 02:12:01.760 Boys, let me know if I'm going to go Resto 2578 02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:02.399 or Boomy. 2579 02:12:02.640 --> 02:12:06.560 So decisions, decisions. But boys, there's the next tangent to 2580 02:12:06.680 --> 02:12:10.479 crawl down. Fucking what do you reckon? Blizzard old stepping 2581 02:12:10.560 --> 02:12:13.439 up to the plate, And I mean we malign them 2582 02:12:13.640 --> 02:12:16.720 for doing things like launching in January and being like 2583 02:12:16.880 --> 02:12:20.600 so fucking anti listening to the players, but then they 2584 02:12:20.680 --> 02:12:23.239 come along and go, you know what, fuck you no 2585 02:12:23.399 --> 02:12:26.920 boosting in TBC, which is quite frankly, what I think 2586 02:12:27.119 --> 02:12:29.199 is something that a lot of players have been asking for, 2587 02:12:29.439 --> 02:12:31.319 like can we fuck all this boosting off? 2588 02:12:32.199 --> 02:12:32.359 Yeah? 2589 02:12:32.840 --> 02:12:35.319 Because they're they're selling a solution to it. Yeah, of 2590 02:12:35.319 --> 02:12:39.159 course they don't want it. It's not listening to the 2591 02:12:39.279 --> 02:12:41.600 players at all. A fucking pocket book. 2592 02:12:41.800 --> 02:12:42.560 You're very good. 2593 02:12:42.680 --> 02:12:47.000 Also like a little late. I mean, they've done this 2594 02:12:47.079 --> 02:12:47.840 at the point. 2595 02:12:47.680 --> 02:12:48.880 Like they don't they don't care. 2596 02:12:49.199 --> 02:12:51.439 True, it's true, Like. 2597 02:12:51.720 --> 02:12:54.239 I'm pretty sure these changes were in some like they've 2598 02:12:54.279 --> 02:12:56.880 done it in Vanilla before. Yet for Anniversary they're just like, 2599 02:12:57.239 --> 02:13:00.199 fuck it, let it, let it run rampant until until well, 2600 02:13:00.319 --> 02:13:02.319 we want to make the change and then look like 2601 02:13:02.359 --> 02:13:02.920 the good guys. 2602 02:13:05.000 --> 02:13:08.279 Yeah, they provide a way for you to just buy 2603 02:13:08.359 --> 02:13:10.279 it up until such a time. 2604 02:13:10.359 --> 02:13:12.960 They don't give a fuck. That's why their their intentions 2605 02:13:13.000 --> 02:13:16.359 are not pure with this one. So like it just 2606 02:13:16.640 --> 02:13:19.920 sullies the whole change. Right, I'm a mage. I can boost, 2607 02:13:19.960 --> 02:13:22.600 I can do it well, and I'm happy to sacrifice 2608 02:13:22.640 --> 02:13:24.640 that for the betterment of the game. But it's not 2609 02:13:24.760 --> 02:13:27.760 for the betterment of the game betterment of share prices. 2610 02:13:28.159 --> 02:13:28.439 Damn it. 2611 02:13:28.560 --> 02:13:30.560 You're right. They could have done this month ago and 2612 02:13:30.640 --> 02:13:31.720 they didn't. Fuck them. 2613 02:13:33.079 --> 02:13:37.399 Yeah, I'm happy it's there, but it's just purely to 2614 02:13:38.479 --> 02:13:41.199 sell I mean, you know, I mean, I don't know 2615 02:13:41.279 --> 02:13:46.279 how much major boosting goes for, but transfer that to dollar. 2616 02:13:48.319 --> 02:13:50.720 But again, this just comes back to this makes the 2617 02:13:50.760 --> 02:13:53.680 other thing even more baffling. If we are going to 2618 02:13:53.760 --> 02:13:57.279 be so openly just shop shop shop, which again I 2619 02:13:58.239 --> 02:14:01.399 get it, like I'm not an anti capitals like I'm 2620 02:14:01.439 --> 02:14:03.880 much you guys will know. I'm much more pro corporation 2621 02:14:04.039 --> 02:14:06.920 than people realize, like people should be encouraged to. You know, 2622 02:14:07.119 --> 02:14:10.560 we live in a capitalist society. Making money is you know, 2623 02:14:10.600 --> 02:14:13.880 whether it's fortunate or unfortunately, part of the game. Go 2624 02:14:14.039 --> 02:14:15.840 out and make your money, make as much money as 2625 02:14:15.840 --> 02:14:18.800 you want. That's great to the extent, not to the 2626 02:14:18.920 --> 02:14:21.680 extent that you become predatory though, is kind of the line. 2627 02:14:22.279 --> 02:14:25.399 But what I'm saying is I'm not against Blizzard making 2628 02:14:25.479 --> 02:14:27.840 money out of this game that they've built and cultivated 2629 02:14:27.960 --> 02:14:33.239 or whatever. But like when everything is built to really 2630 02:14:33.439 --> 02:14:36.600 shovel you towards that store, like then I get a 2631 02:14:36.680 --> 02:14:38.920 bit more of the ick about it, like we say, 2632 02:14:39.520 --> 02:14:44.880 And just like when you see something like you know, 2633 02:14:45.039 --> 02:14:50.119 the the anti boosting, I don't know, I just fuck, 2634 02:14:50.159 --> 02:14:51.319 I had a thought and I've lost it. 2635 02:14:51.600 --> 02:14:53.520 Yeah, go here's one quick thing too. 2636 02:14:54.000 --> 02:14:55.720 And this kind of goes back to you know the 2637 02:14:55.840 --> 02:14:58.239 cost of the epic pack for you know, the Outland 2638 02:14:58.279 --> 02:15:00.680 Epic pack, so you can a pair of the costs, 2639 02:15:00.720 --> 02:15:04.119 it's eighty USD. But when you go to look at 2640 02:15:04.399 --> 02:15:08.479 like mop and it's character boost, all the character boost 2641 02:15:08.479 --> 02:15:12.359 itself is sixty. You get thirty days a game time, 2642 02:15:12.439 --> 02:15:16.239 that's fifteen. So you're essentially spending an extra five bucks 2643 02:15:16.319 --> 02:15:20.920 for a few extra gadgets and some mounths. It's not 2644 02:15:21.039 --> 02:15:23.560 much of a difference if you really think about it. 2645 02:15:25.039 --> 02:15:27.880 I am fuck. You know that when you have a 2646 02:15:27.960 --> 02:15:30.640 really good point and you lose it mid fucking speech. God, 2647 02:15:30.720 --> 02:15:33.079 I feel terrible now. I had a really good point there. 2648 02:15:33.239 --> 02:15:37.199 I've just fucking lost it. No, no, no, I lost 2649 02:15:37.239 --> 02:15:40.640 it while I was speaking. I'd literally like like fumbling 2650 02:15:40.880 --> 02:15:42.720 as you're about to cross the fucking goal line. 2651 02:15:44.359 --> 02:15:45.079 But it all pretend. 2652 02:15:45.119 --> 02:15:48.920 It was enlightening and thrilling and completely changed the game 2653 02:15:49.000 --> 02:15:50.439 on whatever conversation was about. 2654 02:15:50.600 --> 02:15:52.319 Thank you, thank you, thank you. Oh no, that's right. 2655 02:15:52.359 --> 02:15:55.239 I was going to say, this makes the decision not 2656 02:15:55.479 --> 02:15:59.479 to boost Paladin's and Shamans even stranger, because, like we said, 2657 02:15:59.640 --> 02:16:04.000 you've now gone, okay, we're introducing anti boosting mechanics, and 2658 02:16:04.520 --> 02:16:07.079 like you guys rightfully point out, well, that's just to 2659 02:16:07.159 --> 02:16:11.359 sell more boosts. Well, if we all know the boost 2660 02:16:11.640 --> 02:16:15.640 is the cash cow, it's literally the golden goose, and 2661 02:16:16.159 --> 02:16:20.039 everything is being designed to funnel people towards clicking that 2662 02:16:20.159 --> 02:16:23.239 button to boost your character. And to the point that 2663 02:16:23.279 --> 02:16:25.920 you're now going to introduce anti boosting mechanics to fuck 2664 02:16:25.960 --> 02:16:27.760 all the majors on the server and get rid of 2665 02:16:27.800 --> 02:16:29.600 that part of the game and push people to boost 2666 02:16:29.800 --> 02:16:33.559 via Blizzard, then that makes even it makes it even 2667 02:16:33.600 --> 02:16:36.520 stranger that you can't just buy the boost for Palatin's Shamans. 2668 02:16:36.559 --> 02:16:40.040 If the ultimate goal is we want infinite purchases of 2669 02:16:40.079 --> 02:16:44.079 this one thing, why did you curtail that one big 2670 02:16:44.159 --> 02:16:45.639 element of it. It's so weird. 2671 02:16:47.879 --> 02:16:50.479 Yes, it's one of those decisions that kind of goes 2672 02:16:50.520 --> 02:16:53.559 against like they're doing eight shady things that will point 2673 02:16:53.600 --> 02:16:56.200 towards being the villain, and then they're doing this one 2674 02:16:56.319 --> 02:16:58.040 thing that's like, no, no, no, we believe in the 2675 02:16:58.079 --> 02:16:59.920 good of the game. That would be bad for the game, 2676 02:17:00.040 --> 02:17:02.079 so we won't do it it. Kind of, I don't know, 2677 02:17:02.159 --> 02:17:06.600 maybe it's just throwing us off off this sense like. 2678 02:17:06.920 --> 02:17:08.639 I think they're gonna I think they're gonna offer a 2679 02:17:08.719 --> 02:17:12.120 boost for uh blood elfin Drene, like three. 2680 02:17:11.959 --> 02:17:15.399 Weeks after maybe maybe we shall see. 2681 02:17:15.559 --> 02:17:17.879 It won't be at lunch, but it'll be quickly after lunch. 2682 02:17:17.920 --> 02:17:18.559 We're going to offer it. 2683 02:17:21.319 --> 02:17:24.200 Guys. Look, we'll just we're two and a half hours 2684 02:17:24.239 --> 02:17:26.639 in now, we'll start to hit the you know, forty 2685 02:17:26.719 --> 02:17:30.159 five to sixty minute long wind down. But let's just 2686 02:17:30.200 --> 02:17:32.159 shoot the ship. I'll throw it out to you, guys. 2687 02:17:32.200 --> 02:17:34.399 I've been dictating conversation right now, but I want you 2688 02:17:34.479 --> 02:17:36.120 guys to talk about what you want to talk about 2689 02:17:36.319 --> 02:17:40.319 with regards to TBC. You know, is there anything that 2690 02:17:40.479 --> 02:17:42.799 that you're busting to bring up with regards to RAID 2691 02:17:42.920 --> 02:17:45.559 content or what you look? What are you looking forward 2692 02:17:45.639 --> 02:17:47.879 to playing? What are you not looking forward to playing? 2693 02:17:48.399 --> 02:17:53.200 Are you apathetic about TBC? You're excited? What about your classes? Guys, 2694 02:17:53.280 --> 02:17:55.479 let's let's do the pub thing. Who wants to kick 2695 02:17:55.559 --> 02:17:59.879 us off? I've got a quick tangent for us, Yeah, 2696 02:17:59.879 --> 02:18:03.479 go mate. So one of my favorite memories of playing 2697 02:18:03.520 --> 02:18:07.040 on anniversary nights Layer was dicking around in Hills. 2698 02:18:06.840 --> 02:18:10.760 Bred World PvP with you, Marcus in Voodoo. 2699 02:18:11.159 --> 02:18:12.079 It was so much fun. 2700 02:18:12.280 --> 02:18:14.239 I was hoping you could give us a little insight 2701 02:18:14.840 --> 02:18:19.000 into why the re roar. Yeah, PvP over to PV. 2702 02:18:19.120 --> 02:18:21.000 That that's a fair thing to bring up. And look, 2703 02:18:21.040 --> 02:18:23.319 people are more than warranted as always to call me 2704 02:18:23.440 --> 02:18:25.840 a piece of shit, as the Marcus and Ubiquitous and 2705 02:18:25.879 --> 02:18:30.040 the boys will frequently do for completely justifiable reasons, because 2706 02:18:30.040 --> 02:18:31.319 it's like a lot of people have said, and I'm 2707 02:18:31.319 --> 02:18:34.120 in the same boat like Josh hang On. We played 2708 02:18:34.159 --> 02:18:36.239 for six weeks on nights Layer, like a whole bunch 2709 02:18:36.280 --> 02:18:38.200 of us, got like two or three tunes up to 2710 02:18:38.360 --> 02:18:40.799 like level thirty or forty or whatever, and then we 2711 02:18:41.200 --> 02:18:43.559 ditched Anniversary when we sort of decided we didn't want 2712 02:18:43.559 --> 02:18:46.440 to do Vanilla one Excepter again. And now you come 2713 02:18:46.520 --> 02:18:49.200 back to Anniversary and tried to pull all the Countdown 2714 02:18:49.200 --> 02:18:52.639 people back onto it, but inexplicably you've changed servers. What 2715 02:18:52.799 --> 02:18:56.959 fucking gives more than warranted to bring that up. At 2716 02:18:57.000 --> 02:18:58.239 the end of the day, I'll just say the same 2717 02:18:58.280 --> 02:18:59.920 thing that I've been saying to people in the disc 2718 02:19:00.319 --> 02:19:04.840 which is just look, fortunately or unfortunately, I finally did 2719 02:19:05.040 --> 02:19:07.000 reach the point of my life where I'm just like, 2720 02:19:08.200 --> 02:19:12.719 it took me seven years, but I now understand PvP 2721 02:19:12.920 --> 02:19:16.000 servers and I've decided that I'm not into it, and 2722 02:19:16.479 --> 02:19:19.079 it fucking sucked to walk away. I had a level 2723 02:19:19.159 --> 02:19:23.799 forty one warrior on a Nightslayer. I had a level 2724 02:19:23.840 --> 02:19:26.159 thirty two Rogue. I had a level thirty three Warlock. 2725 02:19:26.559 --> 02:19:28.360 Those are characters I would have loved to have just 2726 02:19:28.479 --> 02:19:30.840 picked up and run with now that we're going back 2727 02:19:30.840 --> 02:19:34.040 to Anniversary. But I was more than happy to abandon 2728 02:19:34.120 --> 02:19:37.280 those uns because I'm just like, I'm fucking done with 2729 02:19:37.360 --> 02:19:42.879 PvP and Jack's left us. But like Yak and sorry, 2730 02:19:42.920 --> 02:19:44.879 I should. This is huge shout out as well, guys. 2731 02:19:45.120 --> 02:19:47.799 I said Dreamsithe Hoard, and yes, the Countdown guild will 2732 02:19:47.799 --> 02:19:50.680 be on dreamsythe Hoard. If for some reason you are 2733 02:19:50.799 --> 02:19:55.079 still on Nightslayer and you happen to be Alliance, Yak 2734 02:19:55.319 --> 02:19:57.799 is over there with some people too, so don't feel 2735 02:19:57.840 --> 02:20:00.799 like you don't have options. Yaks, Yak and have tunes 2736 02:20:00.879 --> 02:20:03.799 over there. They're fucking amazing guys. If you don't want 2737 02:20:03.840 --> 02:20:06.559 to change servers and you really do have something set 2738 02:20:06.639 --> 02:20:09.479 up over there, please link up with Yak and Green 2739 02:20:09.600 --> 02:20:11.719 via the discord and they'll point you in the right direction. 2740 02:20:11.959 --> 02:20:14.319 So huge shout out for their guild as well. I 2741 02:20:14.399 --> 02:20:17.319 don't want to make people feel like, you know, just 2742 02:20:17.440 --> 02:20:22.040 joint countdown or whatever. But like, in all honesty, Icono 2743 02:20:23.440 --> 02:20:25.239 and a bunch of people will have something to say 2744 02:20:25.280 --> 02:20:27.920 on this. But like I had to come to Jesus' 2745 02:20:28.040 --> 02:20:31.639 moment regarding World PvP, where I was just like it 2746 02:20:31.760 --> 02:20:36.239 dawned on me where I love World PvP, but I 2747 02:20:36.360 --> 02:20:40.879 realized that all the people I was killing, ninety percent 2748 02:20:41.000 --> 02:20:45.360 of them are not geared for PvP and are not 2749 02:20:45.600 --> 02:20:49.639 spect for PvP. It is truly just wolves feeding on sheep. 2750 02:20:51.079 --> 02:20:54.360 And I'm like it started to as this dawned on 2751 02:20:54.479 --> 02:20:56.479 me more and more, I started to get less enjoyment 2752 02:20:56.520 --> 02:20:58.040 out of it because, you know me, I like a 2753 02:20:58.079 --> 02:21:03.040 good fight, and I'm just like, so like all these 2754 02:21:03.319 --> 02:21:05.520 like I don't kill Lobi's, you know that. So like 2755 02:21:05.799 --> 02:21:08.120 let's say TBC, for example, if I'm a level seventy 2756 02:21:08.239 --> 02:21:12.639 running around killing level seventies, I'm not really I'm not 2757 02:21:12.879 --> 02:21:16.159 really killing level seventies on an equal footing with me. 2758 02:21:16.719 --> 02:21:19.600 I'm killing some cunt who's gone out to farm his leather, 2759 02:21:19.760 --> 02:21:22.719 who's in his full PvE set, not even spect into 2760 02:21:22.760 --> 02:21:25.479 his PvP build. And it's just like the odds are 2761 02:21:25.520 --> 02:21:27.959 so heavily shifted in my favor, just from the outset, 2762 02:21:28.399 --> 02:21:31.319 so the wind started to feel really cheap. Once I 2763 02:21:31.440 --> 02:21:33.399 realized what was going on, and it took me a 2764 02:21:33.479 --> 02:21:36.879 really really long time to realize that. Then the other 2765 02:21:36.959 --> 02:21:39.479 side of the equation is yes, of course, I'm not 2766 02:21:39.559 --> 02:21:41.600 going to make it sound like I'm the fucking big 2767 02:21:41.680 --> 02:21:44.680 tough guy here. I also did get sick of just 2768 02:21:44.920 --> 02:21:48.280 being the victim of two or three people just rolling 2769 02:21:48.360 --> 02:21:50.399 through you on their way from point A to point B. 2770 02:21:51.440 --> 02:21:54.280 You know, I'm out in the open. Here's literally a 2771 02:21:54.360 --> 02:21:57.239 fight I cannot win, and these three guys running to 2772 02:21:57.280 --> 02:21:59.000 their dungeon are going to steam roll me in one 2773 02:21:59.040 --> 02:22:02.239 shot me because they're just bored, and why not. That's 2774 02:22:02.360 --> 02:22:05.200 you know, hey man, PvP on a PvP server. Totally 2775 02:22:05.319 --> 02:22:07.840 accept that, not saying it shouldn't be done, but it's 2776 02:22:07.920 --> 02:22:12.000 just it feels shit. I do not enjoy fights where 2777 02:22:12.040 --> 02:22:15.680 you do not have some semblance of a foot in 2778 02:22:15.760 --> 02:22:18.639 the door in regards to you know, what could happen 2779 02:22:18.680 --> 02:22:21.159 in that fight. I want as even though people say 2780 02:22:21.200 --> 02:22:23.760 it's impossible, I want as close to a fifty to 2781 02:22:23.799 --> 02:22:26.440 fifty or fuck, I'll take a seventy thirty chance to 2782 02:22:26.479 --> 02:22:28.840 win that fight. I don't give a shit just make 2783 02:22:28.920 --> 02:22:31.440 me feel like I can, you know, at least compete, 2784 02:22:31.680 --> 02:22:35.760 which is why I'm so anti lobi stomping. But as 2785 02:22:36.000 --> 02:22:39.000 as I became aware more and more that you know, 2786 02:22:39.399 --> 02:22:42.120 eighty percent of the fights I'm getting in on PvP 2787 02:22:42.319 --> 02:22:45.000 servers are not the kind of fights I'm looking for. 2788 02:22:45.959 --> 02:22:49.719 You know, I'm not that nerd that just likes to stomp. 2789 02:22:50.479 --> 02:22:53.799 I don't get an erection over like, you know, just 2790 02:22:54.479 --> 02:22:57.159 fucking picking the fight that's a ninety nine percent chance 2791 02:22:57.200 --> 02:23:00.280 I'm gonna win, so that I'm bragging to my fucking 2792 02:23:00.360 --> 02:23:04.200 dog about it. Look at that Rex, see me fucking 2793 02:23:04.280 --> 02:23:07.280 teach that nerd fucking not to come round my neighborhood again. 2794 02:23:08.360 --> 02:23:10.959 Like it's just lame. I hate that. The amount of 2795 02:23:11.000 --> 02:23:13.520 Wow players I fucking hate is bizarre for a guy 2796 02:23:13.600 --> 02:23:16.280 that runs a show about Wow. But you know, you're 2797 02:23:16.319 --> 02:23:18.840 all cool obviously except for ubiquitous But like, you know, 2798 02:23:18.959 --> 02:23:22.600 it's just I really have a growing disdain for the 2799 02:23:23.280 --> 02:23:26.200 level of nerddom and weirdness that Wow players will take 2800 02:23:26.280 --> 02:23:29.600 the game too. So that's that's basically it. I started 2801 02:23:29.639 --> 02:23:32.239 to shy away from PvP servers, and I basically said, 2802 02:23:32.280 --> 02:23:35.280 this time around, look for the first time ever. I'm 2803 02:23:35.319 --> 02:23:38.559 going PvE. My body is ready. Fuck it. Call me 2804 02:23:38.600 --> 02:23:40.799 a dad, call me an old man who can't handle it. 2805 02:23:40.840 --> 02:23:43.200 I'll see you in arena. But just I'm just not 2806 02:23:43.319 --> 02:23:44.760 doing it in the open world anymore. 2807 02:23:46.120 --> 02:23:47.000 It's fairh that's fair. 2808 02:23:48.000 --> 02:23:48.440 I'm sorry. 2809 02:23:48.639 --> 02:23:50.760 Yeah, I guess the reason why I brought up that 2810 02:23:50.840 --> 02:23:53.319 Hills Brad memory. Part of what made it so distinct 2811 02:23:53.559 --> 02:23:57.239 is that we were intentionally fighting people five ten levels 2812 02:23:57.319 --> 02:23:59.840 higher than us. But that's obviously not the normal. 2813 02:24:00.440 --> 02:24:00.920 Do you know why? 2814 02:24:01.120 --> 02:24:04.000 But do you know why we did that icono? Because 2815 02:24:04.040 --> 02:24:07.479 we're fucking big with that and we're more than comfortable 2816 02:24:07.479 --> 02:24:08.680 with the size of our penises. 2817 02:24:10.200 --> 02:24:12.479 Yeah, Like, there's still there's still things we can do 2818 02:24:12.799 --> 02:24:14.239 in the world that may. 2819 02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:16.159 Lead to that. 2820 02:24:16.639 --> 02:24:19.319 A trip to Iron Forge on a PvP server is 2821 02:24:19.479 --> 02:24:21.040 just a trip to a PV server. 2822 02:24:21.040 --> 02:24:22.479 Essentially, so. 2823 02:24:24.879 --> 02:24:27.639 There'll be that if the guards aren't completely borked. But 2824 02:24:30.840 --> 02:24:32.799 punching down is kind of boring. 2825 02:24:33.079 --> 02:24:35.680 But all the fights that we generally had when we're 2826 02:24:35.680 --> 02:24:39.760 playing as a group were the odds were stacked against us. 2827 02:24:39.840 --> 02:24:42.799 And that's even the ones like when we started leveling 2828 02:24:42.840 --> 02:24:46.600 in mop Josh, like it was six seven V two 2829 02:24:47.000 --> 02:24:48.360 for a lot of those, and it's going to be 2830 02:24:48.360 --> 02:24:50.639 a shame to lose those opportunities. 2831 02:24:50.680 --> 02:24:51.000 I gain. 2832 02:24:51.319 --> 02:24:53.840 Yeah, I really enjoyed those. Like I said, I said 2833 02:24:53.879 --> 02:24:56.760 on the show that those first few days of MOP 2834 02:24:56.879 --> 02:24:58.520 was some of the most fun I've had in Wow, 2835 02:24:59.159 --> 02:25:02.680 with you and me rolling around just two V fiving people. 2836 02:25:03.520 --> 02:25:06.440 Mm hmm. We can get that in battlegrounds anyway. 2837 02:25:06.440 --> 02:25:07.000 It'll be fine. 2838 02:25:08.639 --> 02:25:13.639 But and like I'd be lying if I said that 2839 02:25:13.760 --> 02:25:19.600 I didn't get I wouldn't say annoyed, but like just 2840 02:25:20.159 --> 02:25:24.360 bored of three dudes just walking up and kicking me 2841 02:25:24.440 --> 02:25:25.799 in the nads and then moving. 2842 02:25:25.639 --> 02:25:26.559 On like on board of it. 2843 02:25:26.920 --> 02:25:33.840 Yeah, but you pay people to do that in real life, Yeah, 2844 02:25:33.920 --> 02:25:35.959 hypothetically as our costs would say. 2845 02:25:35.959 --> 02:25:42.159 Exactly something that I've I'm finding super jarring, Like on 2846 02:25:42.319 --> 02:25:44.559 the on a tangent to what you're talking about is 2847 02:25:44.639 --> 02:25:47.079 coming back to anniversary and it's you are stuck in 2848 02:25:47.159 --> 02:25:50.239 your own little server bubble, Like, holy fuck, my body 2849 02:25:50.319 --> 02:25:52.920 is so ready for just cross realm like full region, 2850 02:25:53.040 --> 02:25:57.639 like retail fucking call it fourteen separate servers, And personally, 2851 02:25:58.159 --> 02:26:02.319 I wouldn't even give a fuck if they actually managed 2852 02:26:02.399 --> 02:26:05.559 to make it a way of like your server is 2853 02:26:05.639 --> 02:26:09.639 your server, and then just to go like if you 2854 02:26:09.760 --> 02:26:13.120 invite people to your party, then you go to like 2855 02:26:13.360 --> 02:26:15.600 a second phase of your server. So like, if you're 2856 02:26:15.680 --> 02:26:17.959 just solo and you want to pick herbs, you're not 2857 02:26:18.079 --> 02:26:21.200 competing with the entire region and there's not going to 2858 02:26:21.239 --> 02:26:23.520 be like a guy from Gurubashi, a guy from Crossmore, 2859 02:26:23.520 --> 02:26:25.520 and a guy from here or there on your server. 2860 02:26:25.680 --> 02:26:28.319 It'll all just be dream size players. But then as 2861 02:26:28.319 --> 02:26:30.520 soon as you party, now you're in the oh, we're 2862 02:26:30.520 --> 02:26:32.799 happy to be cross realm people, and then you just 2863 02:26:32.799 --> 02:26:36.000 start seeing people everywhere. But yeah, just the cross realm 2864 02:26:36.399 --> 02:26:40.360 flexibility from like retail and shit, I feel like I 2865 02:26:40.479 --> 02:26:43.120 kind of need that now because it's a bit of 2866 02:26:43.159 --> 02:26:44.799 a saw, you know what. I mean to just go, oh, 2867 02:26:45.079 --> 02:26:47.639 well we made our decisions a month ago before we 2868 02:26:48.079 --> 02:26:50.760 became pals, and well you're on your island. I'm on 2869 02:26:51.040 --> 02:26:51.559 my island. 2870 02:26:52.159 --> 02:26:55.360 Just that's and but there you be clap back at 2871 02:26:55.399 --> 02:26:58.319 the people who have just heard that all the errors 2872 02:26:58.440 --> 02:27:01.440 or whatever that hear that, and go, oh here we 2873 02:27:01.639 --> 02:27:05.719 fucking go old Josh and the countdown crew throwing away 2874 02:27:05.920 --> 02:27:10.479 server identity and fucking you know that what sacrilege. How 2875 02:27:10.559 --> 02:27:12.559 far we've come? Remember when this show used to be 2876 02:27:12.719 --> 02:27:16.680 all about fucking the old school values mattering tell them why? 2877 02:27:16.959 --> 02:27:20.520 Well my point to that is, like, again, it's the 2878 02:27:20.680 --> 02:27:23.719 second time we're doing TBC in the last four years. 2879 02:27:24.200 --> 02:27:26.079 How many times do I have to tap the sign 2880 02:27:26.239 --> 02:27:29.479 that nobody gives a fuck about this shit anymore? This 2881 02:27:29.719 --> 02:27:33.879 is a four fundsies no one cares server. What would 2882 02:27:33.920 --> 02:27:34.479 you say, you be? 2883 02:27:36.719 --> 02:27:43.040 Yeah, well I think it's an outdated take, but I mean, 2884 02:27:43.120 --> 02:27:46.600 it wouldn't really bother me. It's very similar. The example 2885 02:27:46.600 --> 02:27:49.520 I'm about to give is very similar to the should 2886 02:27:49.600 --> 02:27:52.159 Blizzard give us an Australia's over again? 2887 02:27:52.319 --> 02:27:55.399 And the answer is no answer, it will always be known. 2888 02:27:56.200 --> 02:27:59.040 But there could be a world then where they go, Okay, 2889 02:27:59.840 --> 02:28:04.879 this is the designated gigaserver, but then look, here's the 2890 02:28:05.520 --> 02:28:09.840 malnourished lower left limb. This will be a no, you 2891 02:28:10.000 --> 02:28:13.360 cannot play with anyone else server its own little island, 2892 02:28:13.920 --> 02:28:16.200 and that server can have one k players at launch 2893 02:28:16.280 --> 02:28:18.440 and quickly become five hundred, and then they can beg 2894 02:28:18.559 --> 02:28:21.959 for a transfer off. But could you could have like 2895 02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:25.280 a cross realm battlegroup designation and roll on any of 2896 02:28:25.360 --> 02:28:28.159 these six servers, and all these six servers can play 2897 02:28:28.280 --> 02:28:30.479 with each other whenever they want, and then there'll be 2898 02:28:30.520 --> 02:28:33.040 a separate server that's a lonely boy, and you can 2899 02:28:33.079 --> 02:28:35.479 go and play on that if you love server identity. 2900 02:28:35.879 --> 02:28:37.680 And I already know it's going to happen. I'd bet 2901 02:28:37.719 --> 02:28:40.680 the house on it that that server would eat shit 2902 02:28:40.840 --> 02:28:44.799 within like six months, because most people would as always 2903 02:28:44.959 --> 02:28:47.879 just go with the majority, even if they're a neutral. 2904 02:28:48.440 --> 02:28:51.760 So I don't know, I'm just I kind of I 2905 02:28:51.920 --> 02:28:54.559 miss a lot of the flexibility, and like Epoch didn't 2906 02:28:54.600 --> 02:28:58.079 have that because it was a single server, but it 2907 02:28:58.239 --> 02:29:00.319 kind of it warned me up to just like it 2908 02:29:00.440 --> 02:29:02.760 being a global server made it feel like a battlegroup, 2909 02:29:02.799 --> 02:29:04.079 if you know what I mean, like a battle group 2910 02:29:04.120 --> 02:29:05.440 server or a cluster of servers. 2911 02:29:06.159 --> 02:29:10.520 So I still regret. I still regret going into bat 2912 02:29:10.600 --> 02:29:13.639 for the creation of Maladath. And look, this is not 2913 02:29:15.000 --> 02:29:18.639 This is not to say I am not anywhere near 2914 02:29:20.239 --> 02:29:22.920 arrogant enough to believe that Blizzard does anything because I 2915 02:29:23.040 --> 02:29:25.280 ask for it. They do not. Blizz It doesn't give 2916 02:29:25.280 --> 02:29:27.360 a fuck what I think about anything. I can fucking 2917 02:29:27.399 --> 02:29:31.079 guarantee you that, But I do regret being hit up 2918 02:29:31.159 --> 02:29:35.200 by people prior to Anniversary Ossie's getting in my DMS, 2919 02:29:35.280 --> 02:29:37.360 going mate, can you please just ask them to do 2920 02:29:37.440 --> 02:29:40.280 an OCEE server and me kind of rolling my eyes 2921 02:29:40.319 --> 02:29:42.120 despite up to that point on the show, I've been 2922 02:29:42.280 --> 02:29:45.239 very anti oce service, saying don't do it, don't do it. 2923 02:29:45.760 --> 02:29:48.120 People hit me up and said, mate, just just ask them, like, 2924 02:29:48.159 --> 02:29:49.840 what is the fucking matter? Just asked them to do it, 2925 02:29:50.440 --> 02:29:53.399 and I threw it out on I'm off Twitter now's 2926 02:29:53.479 --> 02:29:55.639 leaded my account, but at the time I jumped on 2927 02:29:55.719 --> 02:29:59.280 Twitter and I added, you know the server guy, so 2928 02:29:59.559 --> 02:30:02.760 I have forgotten his name momentarily you guys El tom Ellis, 2929 02:30:02.840 --> 02:30:06.600 tom Ellis. I hit him up and said, mate, look, 2930 02:30:07.840 --> 02:30:09.760 even though I'm not interested, a lot of Ossies do 2931 02:30:09.879 --> 02:30:11.879 want to know ce server, would you consider doing it? 2932 02:30:12.040 --> 02:30:14.719 And he replied and said, yep, we'll do it. And 2933 02:30:15.639 --> 02:30:18.040 I'm not saying they did that because of me. They 2934 02:30:18.440 --> 02:30:20.840 would not have done that just because I asked. But like, 2935 02:30:21.079 --> 02:30:23.440 I still regret getting involved in that because I just 2936 02:30:23.479 --> 02:30:25.360 think it's a fucking abortion and I know there's a 2937 02:30:25.360 --> 02:30:27.600 lot of angry Aussies who play on Maladath right now 2938 02:30:27.760 --> 02:30:29.719 telling me to go fuck myself. But that's just how 2939 02:30:29.760 --> 02:30:32.879 I feel. But anyway, not to sort of get into 2940 02:30:32.920 --> 02:30:40.879 that whole can of worms. Yeah, what was I going 2941 02:30:40.920 --> 02:30:41.159 to say? 2942 02:30:43.040 --> 02:30:46.200 I'm just I mean, I'm someone shut me down if 2943 02:30:46.200 --> 02:30:48.280 you don't want to hear the ramble. But I'm the 2944 02:30:48.719 --> 02:30:52.040 main thing for me from this TBC TBC shit and 2945 02:30:52.319 --> 02:30:54.840 just the changes that they made is it is just 2946 02:30:55.040 --> 02:31:00.239 another few pebbles for my T plus uh copium that 2947 02:31:00.239 --> 02:31:03.239 I've got going because it kind of feels like, you know, 2948 02:31:03.319 --> 02:31:06.079 even just the edit mode, it's kind of proof that, like, 2949 02:31:06.399 --> 02:31:09.479 you know, something's got to be going on in development 2950 02:31:09.959 --> 02:31:12.959 for some reason. So this is kind of like once 2951 02:31:13.040 --> 02:31:15.600 we get that in this version of the game, it's 2952 02:31:15.719 --> 02:31:17.840 kind of like a beta test for it to run 2953 02:31:17.920 --> 02:31:21.120 and be all perfected before you get like another Classic. 2954 02:31:21.200 --> 02:31:24.680 But we're also just starting to see the first groupe 2955 02:31:24.760 --> 02:31:27.680 of Classic moving to the what was then the Dragonfly 2956 02:31:27.879 --> 02:31:31.840 client by getting this kind of stuff, and also like 2957 02:31:31.920 --> 02:31:33.680 how fucking long it took for it to arrive. 2958 02:31:33.879 --> 02:31:36.399 We've been been on the dragons have we been on 2959 02:31:36.399 --> 02:31:37.680 the Dragonfly client for a while? 2960 02:31:38.479 --> 02:31:40.639 Yeah, Like I'm pretty sure it was mid raft that 2961 02:31:40.680 --> 02:31:43.440 we got moved to this. So it's taken that long, 2962 02:31:43.559 --> 02:31:45.879 and like I don't know if it's just because like 2963 02:31:47.440 --> 02:31:51.319 whether the game got poured across, but like, you know, 2964 02:31:51.399 --> 02:31:53.000 you still have to link up all the wires for 2965 02:31:53.120 --> 02:31:55.840 it to run properly, or like, is adding anything to 2966 02:31:55.920 --> 02:31:58.479 this still a huge clusterfuck or whatever the deal is. 2967 02:31:58.559 --> 02:32:01.040 But I am surprised that took that long. Like, as 2968 02:32:01.079 --> 02:32:03.120 soon as I saw a whisper of it going to retail, 2969 02:32:03.239 --> 02:32:05.799 I'm like, sweet, delete all my fucking UI ad ons. 2970 02:32:06.280 --> 02:32:08.479 Just go back to default and edit it how I won. 2971 02:32:10.120 --> 02:32:12.000 I'm surprised it took this long, but I'm glad that 2972 02:32:12.040 --> 02:32:13.680 it's he and it does look. 2973 02:32:13.559 --> 02:32:18.520 Like the one big thing that you know, it comes 2974 02:32:18.600 --> 02:32:23.159 to mind, you know, being a programmer myself is Yes, 2975 02:32:23.360 --> 02:32:29.319 the coding is technically the same, but like it was stated, 2976 02:32:29.680 --> 02:32:32.680 I think earlier in the week or last week, somebody 2977 02:32:32.879 --> 02:32:36.159 was trying to figure out why Wild Classic was running 2978 02:32:37.000 --> 02:32:41.079 uh harder on their PC than retail was well, it's 2979 02:32:41.120 --> 02:32:45.120 because it's outdated code, and to port this over to 2980 02:32:46.399 --> 02:32:51.920 a more updated code is quite a bit of h. 2981 02:32:53.760 --> 02:32:56.120 It's just it's, yes, it is. It's a lot. 2982 02:33:00.239 --> 02:33:03.000 I ran MUDs for a number of years and I've 2983 02:33:03.319 --> 02:33:08.280 still I'm still in the process of courting my the 2984 02:33:08.920 --> 02:33:13.559 C plus plus program over to Python, and I had 2985 02:33:13.639 --> 02:33:16.520 that shut down three years ago, roughly the last time 2986 02:33:16.559 --> 02:33:20.079 I actually had any players on my game, and I'm 2987 02:33:20.159 --> 02:33:22.399 still trying to upgrade it. 2988 02:33:22.639 --> 02:33:22.799 Now. 2989 02:33:22.840 --> 02:33:26.040 With AI, it's different, you know. I actually found that 2990 02:33:26.120 --> 02:33:27.719 it's quite a bit easier with AI. 2991 02:33:28.760 --> 02:33:29.479 But it's just. 2992 02:33:31.200 --> 02:33:36.040 It's primarily the network back end that is that that's 2993 02:33:36.399 --> 02:33:40.280 quite a bit tougher to negotiate with with the technology 2994 02:33:40.319 --> 02:33:44.840 and new servers. But I mean, give it some time. 2995 02:33:45.399 --> 02:33:48.600 I honestly think that if we get to a Wrath 2996 02:33:49.360 --> 02:33:52.920 anniversary edition, we're probably going to see some more stuff 2997 02:33:52.920 --> 02:33:56.559 that you're going to see on retail, like possibly the 2998 02:33:56.680 --> 02:34:00.200 one button rotation, you know, easy things like that, at 2999 02:34:00.440 --> 02:34:05.000 the banning of certain add ons and everything like that, 3000 02:34:05.200 --> 02:34:11.239 because Blizzard wants to initially incorporate all that into its 3001 02:34:11.280 --> 02:34:15.959 games anyway, because they did reach out to those developers 3002 02:34:16.479 --> 02:34:18.280 you know for these add ons and said, you know, 3003 02:34:18.360 --> 02:34:18.959 how'd you do this? 3004 02:34:20.120 --> 02:34:22.399 So yeah, it'll be interesting to see if we get there. 3005 02:34:22.600 --> 02:34:24.719 I think they're coming out with like their own damage 3006 02:34:24.760 --> 02:34:27.559 meter and shit in Midnight or whatever the fuck it was. 3007 02:34:28.040 --> 02:34:32.879 A damage meter, the one button rotation, they're redoing their 3008 02:34:35.040 --> 02:34:39.840 UI add on again, and there's there's most their own dBm, 3009 02:34:40.440 --> 02:34:43.879 their own week ores type thing. Also, uh, there's gonna 3010 02:34:43.879 --> 02:34:45.239 be a lot of stuff that's actually that's going to 3011 02:34:45.280 --> 02:34:47.079 be banned as far as week wors goes too. 3012 02:34:48.159 --> 02:34:51.239 Yeah, would you guys take all that in, like, say, 3013 02:34:51.360 --> 02:34:54.319 C plus, would you let them in terms of the 3014 02:34:54.520 --> 02:34:58.879 interface retail the fuck up or you reckon? Everyone would 3015 02:34:58.879 --> 02:35:01.280 have a big old fucking soul saying no, I still 3016 02:35:01.360 --> 02:35:04.239 extract manually into my add ons folder. Fuck you. I 3017 02:35:04.280 --> 02:35:06.040 don't even like Curseforge. 3018 02:35:07.000 --> 02:35:07.840 If it doesn't suck. 3019 02:35:07.959 --> 02:35:11.000 True. I feel I feel as though we like that's 3020 02:35:11.040 --> 02:35:12.719 one of the it's one of the funniest things about 3021 02:35:12.719 --> 02:35:15.520 classic players. It's like, no, no, no, don't don't do anything, 3022 02:35:15.559 --> 02:35:17.719 and then here we are we weak or this fucking 3023 02:35:17.879 --> 02:35:20.760 game into C plus if we could, like we would, 3024 02:35:20.840 --> 02:35:22.920 we would just weak or on week or on week 3025 02:35:23.040 --> 02:35:25.559 or until it looks nothing like what it did before. Anyway, 3026 02:35:26.200 --> 02:35:28.760 So like, I'm kind of on board for them doing 3027 02:35:28.879 --> 02:35:31.319 that stuff because it won't actually change how the game 3028 02:35:31.440 --> 02:35:34.959 plays if I don't have to install details, so. 3029 02:35:37.000 --> 02:35:41.559 It might improve the game even and it even performance wise, 3030 02:35:41.639 --> 02:35:44.040 it might be even way, way better than it is now. 3031 02:35:45.079 --> 02:35:48.920 Yeah, dude, add ons, add ons eat up so many resources, 3032 02:35:49.120 --> 02:35:52.440 it's unreal. I mean, it's if you just go back 3033 02:35:52.520 --> 02:35:56.000 to a bone Stock game and don't load up any 3034 02:35:56.639 --> 02:36:01.079 add ons whatsoever, you see a significant difference. 3035 02:36:01.120 --> 02:36:04.559 Oh yeah. If I if I roll full default and 3036 02:36:04.760 --> 02:36:07.200 like I hit enter on the character screen, like I 3037 02:36:08.879 --> 02:36:12.040 just appear if being thrill as soon as you install 3038 02:36:12.120 --> 02:36:14.079 like three out ons that you actually see it for 3039 02:36:14.200 --> 02:36:16.000 like a second, and then every add on you add 3040 02:36:16.280 --> 02:36:18.120 adds a fucking second to the load screen. 3041 02:36:18.719 --> 02:36:21.680 It's crazy, Marcus, You'll get a laugh out of this. 3042 02:36:21.799 --> 02:36:24.079 So I was having a giggle at a fucking old 3043 02:36:24.159 --> 02:36:26.600 Swan's shown his face as soon as I started joking 3044 02:36:26.639 --> 02:36:30.000 about killing servers, and he goes, you know, with one 3045 02:36:30.079 --> 02:36:32.799 hand he ruins servers and with the other he gives 3046 02:36:32.840 --> 02:36:33.280 them life. 3047 02:36:34.559 --> 02:36:36.760 Yeah, yeah, just to ruin them later. 3048 02:36:37.280 --> 02:36:42.639 Exactly exactly what I was getting at before, though, is 3049 02:36:43.319 --> 02:36:45.920 just to bring it back to the point you were 3050 02:36:45.959 --> 02:36:50.120 making ubiquitous about the you know, vibrant life of a 3051 02:36:50.399 --> 02:36:55.760 server with fewer and fewer boundaries. You know, next episode, 3052 02:36:55.840 --> 02:36:58.799 I do want to talk about Epoch and the things 3053 02:36:58.840 --> 02:37:00.639 that Epoch did right, the lot of us are going 3054 02:37:00.680 --> 02:37:02.959 to miss that we would advocate for in a classic plus. 3055 02:37:03.559 --> 02:37:07.760 But you know, one of them was like, like, we're 3056 02:37:07.760 --> 02:37:13.680 saying all these points about tearing down boundaries to players 3057 02:37:13.840 --> 02:37:18.280 playing together, and one that was deemed controversial on paper 3058 02:37:19.520 --> 02:37:23.600 but in my opinion, worked incredibly well in practice. And 3059 02:37:23.719 --> 02:37:27.639 I'm going to get really, really, really animated and toxic 3060 02:37:27.719 --> 02:37:31.479 about this point. Is the Howden Alliance being able to 3061 02:37:31.600 --> 02:37:35.479 party up together within the context perhaps of a PPE server, 3062 02:37:36.159 --> 02:37:39.319 So like Epoch, you know you could, and like, it's 3063 02:37:39.360 --> 02:37:42.440 funny because I didn't tell this story yet. We're coming 3064 02:37:42.479 --> 02:37:44.120 towards the end of the podcast, so I think it's 3065 02:37:44.120 --> 02:37:48.840 probably safer safer to tell this story now where only 3066 02:37:48.959 --> 02:37:52.079 the true die Hard Countdown listeners will be hearing the 3067 02:37:52.159 --> 02:37:54.399 back end of the three hour podcast, as opposed to 3068 02:37:54.399 --> 02:37:56.120 people that might just tune in for the first half 3069 02:37:56.159 --> 02:37:59.000 an hour or so. But not that it's like, you know, 3070 02:37:59.200 --> 02:38:01.159 fucking bad of me to say or anything, But I 3071 02:38:01.399 --> 02:38:03.040 haven't wanted to make a big deal out of it 3072 02:38:03.159 --> 02:38:07.079 to sort of protect him a little bit. But you know, 3073 02:38:07.200 --> 02:38:11.319 Tim jumped in with us on TBC anniversary, and you know, 3074 02:38:11.479 --> 02:38:14.200 he asked what server we were on, and you know 3075 02:38:14.360 --> 02:38:16.680 where he would roll a character to find us, and he, 3076 02:38:17.040 --> 02:38:20.280 you know, rolled up a Warrior sorry Warrior Hunter and 3077 02:38:20.360 --> 02:38:22.559 got it to level sixteen, and you know, he might 3078 02:38:22.600 --> 02:38:24.799 not ever touch the character again, but he dicked around 3079 02:38:24.840 --> 02:38:26.719 with us for a couple of days there last week 3080 02:38:26.799 --> 02:38:29.440 on TBC Anniversary, and it's always fun to fucking see 3081 02:38:29.520 --> 02:38:33.040 him pop up. And at one stage we were chatting 3082 02:38:33.079 --> 02:38:36.079 away in gild Chat and easy. I think it might 3083 02:38:36.120 --> 02:38:39.159 have been you and me talking about the shared quest 3084 02:38:39.200 --> 02:38:43.719 items on Epoch and we said, God, God, we missed 3085 02:38:43.719 --> 02:38:46.159 those shared quest items. Like that was so good, just 3086 02:38:46.239 --> 02:38:48.760 being able to party with anyone, like, you know, your 3087 02:38:49.440 --> 02:38:51.559 parties flying left, right and center, and the fact that 3088 02:38:51.639 --> 02:38:53.639 you could party with the Hoarde or the Alliance and 3089 02:38:54.120 --> 02:38:56.360 just everyone's grouping up and getting the most out of 3090 02:38:56.440 --> 02:38:59.920 these quests. It was fucking social heaven. And Tim, who 3091 02:39:00.239 --> 02:39:03.479 normally like reasonably quiet, piped up and goes like, oh, 3092 02:39:03.719 --> 02:39:05.959 tell me more about this. What are you guys talking about? 3093 02:39:06.440 --> 02:39:08.000 And we said, oh, well, you know, yeah, if you 3094 02:39:08.000 --> 02:39:12.520 didn't know, Epoch basically made it so that all quest 3095 02:39:12.600 --> 02:39:15.600 items were shared on a mob's body, so everyone in 3096 02:39:15.680 --> 02:39:17.959 the group could pick up the thing, so you didn't 3097 02:39:17.959 --> 02:39:20.040 have to kill fifty thousand of the mobs, so everyone 3098 02:39:20.079 --> 02:39:22.680 finished the quest at the same time. And also, you know, 3099 02:39:22.799 --> 02:39:26.120 they had hoard an alliance you know, grouping, so that 3100 02:39:26.799 --> 02:39:29.719 everyone was really just grouping with everyone getting their shit done. 3101 02:39:29.760 --> 02:39:33.200 And it went down really, really well, and everyone was 3102 02:39:33.239 --> 02:39:36.520 super stoked on it. Despite maybe some initial pessimism, it 3103 02:39:36.639 --> 02:39:39.000 just worked on in might not work on paper, but 3104 02:39:39.079 --> 02:39:41.760 it fucking worked in theory. And Tim you know, had 3105 02:39:41.760 --> 02:39:43.719 a question or two going, oh, that's really good, and 3106 02:39:43.799 --> 02:39:45.959 he you know, said something that resonated with me, which 3107 02:39:46.000 --> 02:39:47.879 and I do believe the classic team has long sort 3108 02:39:47.879 --> 02:39:51.799 of had this belief that you know, more question sorry 3109 02:39:51.840 --> 02:39:54.959 more grouping is always good for the game no matter what. 3110 02:39:55.239 --> 02:39:57.879 So whether or not that resonated with Tim, time will tell. 3111 02:39:58.280 --> 02:40:00.399 But do you remember that moment easy that I'm talking about. 3112 02:40:02.280 --> 02:40:02.920 Absolutely. 3113 02:40:03.680 --> 02:40:07.680 Blizzard's pretty famous for taking other people's ideas and kind 3114 02:40:07.719 --> 02:40:08.520 of perfecting them. 3115 02:40:08.920 --> 02:40:10.879 So my hope is is that they look at something 3116 02:40:11.040 --> 02:40:12.360 like Epoch and they don't. 3117 02:40:12.959 --> 02:40:14.680 I don't know if it would be like pride or 3118 02:40:14.840 --> 02:40:17.159 resentment or what right like, because there was a private 3119 02:40:17.200 --> 02:40:19.840 server and it pulled people away, and no matter how 3120 02:40:19.879 --> 02:40:21.959 you want to spend it, private servers are taking what 3121 02:40:22.200 --> 02:40:25.360 Blizzard made and you see it for their own financial gain. 3122 02:40:25.840 --> 02:40:27.280 I was a big fan of Epoch, so I'm not 3123 02:40:27.399 --> 02:40:29.319 talking shit, but I do remember that. 3124 02:40:29.639 --> 02:40:31.879 And then the rest of the Guild we just listed 3125 02:40:31.959 --> 02:40:34.200 out like another ten to fifteen things that we enjoyed 3126 02:40:34.200 --> 02:40:39.079 about Epoch, and Tim didn't respond to anything further. But 3127 02:40:39.200 --> 02:40:40.840 it was really nice having him in the Guild and 3128 02:40:40.959 --> 02:40:44.159 having this like glimmer of hope that maybe somehow we 3129 02:40:44.280 --> 02:40:48.159 could present these changes in a way that would make 3130 02:40:48.239 --> 02:40:51.520 them appealing or approachable for Tim and kind of the 3131 02:40:51.600 --> 02:40:56.680 people who are in charge of making that Classic Plus program. 3132 02:40:56.920 --> 02:40:58.120 There's a lot of good in Epoch. 3133 02:40:58.159 --> 02:41:01.479 There were just so many things like shared quest items 3134 02:41:01.559 --> 02:41:02.639 was huge, but it was cast. 3135 02:41:02.719 --> 02:41:05.000 It was talking about it, and he'll tell you right 3136 02:41:05.079 --> 02:41:07.440 now I think he misses the most is that when 3137 02:41:07.479 --> 02:41:08.520 you kill a mob who. 3138 02:41:08.399 --> 02:41:10.840 Has a summoned pet, the pet dies. 3139 02:41:11.040 --> 02:41:11.239 Yeah. 3140 02:41:11.239 --> 02:41:13.040 I mean he was saying that in guild over it. 3141 02:41:16.159 --> 02:41:18.319 It felt so good. I felt so good. 3142 02:41:18.399 --> 02:41:23.920 Yes, there's nothing worse than fucking killing anything. And then 3143 02:41:24.079 --> 02:41:26.879 there is just like one shot bamp dead, Like no, 3144 02:41:28.399 --> 02:41:30.799 I killed your owner, why are you still here? 3145 02:41:31.799 --> 02:41:33.559 What was I going to say? So back to the 3146 02:41:33.920 --> 02:41:37.200 Warde Alliance thing, like, well, we'll go harder on this 3147 02:41:37.280 --> 02:41:38.719 in the next episode, so I don't want to blow 3148 02:41:38.799 --> 02:41:41.360 my ward too soon. But just like you know, a 3149 02:41:41.399 --> 02:41:43.879 lot of people will vomit hearing this, and and just 3150 02:41:43.959 --> 02:41:46.120 to preview what I'm going to say next next episode, 3151 02:41:46.159 --> 02:41:49.440 you know, I really do, unfortunately have a really angry 3152 02:41:49.559 --> 02:41:51.000 line in the sand where I just say, if you 3153 02:41:51.040 --> 02:41:53.079 didn't play Epoch, I don't want to hear from you. 3154 02:41:53.639 --> 02:41:56.479 Because yes, there might have been some early skepticism or 3155 02:41:56.520 --> 02:42:00.079 pessimism regarding Hoardon Alliance being able to group together on 3156 02:42:00.159 --> 02:42:03.079 a PP server, But I'm sorry to tell you this, 3157 02:42:03.840 --> 02:42:07.639 it fucking worked really well, and much to your dismay, 3158 02:42:08.360 --> 02:42:13.840 everybody loved it. It was so warmly welcomed and it 3159 02:42:14.040 --> 02:42:16.520 just fucking works. And guess, like we keep saying, guess what, 3160 02:42:17.280 --> 02:42:20.399 nobody fucking cared, nobody cared. 3161 02:42:22.319 --> 02:42:23.040 Felt really good. 3162 02:42:24.559 --> 02:42:28.000 Yeah, I think I've probably fell into the didn't really 3163 02:42:28.079 --> 02:42:33.360 care camp. Either way, it goes with that, there's benefits. 3164 02:42:34.920 --> 02:42:37.360 I remember us talking about it on our Epoch episode, 3165 02:42:37.399 --> 02:42:39.520 and I think if they go down the same path, 3166 02:42:39.639 --> 02:42:44.680 it will absolutely kill the PvP realm population domination that 3167 02:42:44.879 --> 02:42:49.719 it's had, Like it'll just overnight, PV servers will become 3168 02:42:49.840 --> 02:42:50.680 the twenty. 3169 02:42:50.520 --> 02:42:52.840 K player completely completely. 3170 02:42:53.040 --> 02:42:57.040 VP servers will be like the four k edgy gamers 3171 02:42:57.200 --> 02:42:59.719 that are what a coincidence they also like to fucking 3172 02:42:59.760 --> 02:43:02.360 slurs in chat and they can just be their own 3173 02:43:02.360 --> 02:43:04.559 little cesspool again and the rest of us can go 3174 02:43:04.719 --> 02:43:06.040 be like happy Wow players. 3175 02:43:08.000 --> 02:43:10.000 It would flip it on its head and PVEE would 3176 02:43:10.040 --> 02:43:13.559 become the preference. I fucking guarantee you one hundred percent. 3177 02:43:13.920 --> 02:43:17.920 Yeah, there's there's there's a very sizable chunk of players 3178 02:43:18.079 --> 02:43:20.680 that don't care for PvP, but you just know that, 3179 02:43:20.920 --> 02:43:25.000 like it will always be the healthier server even now, 3180 02:43:25.120 --> 02:43:27.159 like there's not even the reason for it. It's literally 3181 02:43:27.280 --> 02:43:29.639 just habit. At this point, you just go, n it's 3182 02:43:29.719 --> 02:43:33.200 the safer bet. It's been like, you know, you're playing roulette. 3183 02:43:33.200 --> 02:43:35.639 It's been black seventy four times in a row. Let's 3184 02:43:35.680 --> 02:43:38.600 just keep betting black. And that's what rolling on a 3185 02:43:38.639 --> 02:43:43.600 PvP servers like. So you need to actually change something 3186 02:43:43.799 --> 02:43:48.000 that will make people consciously review their decision again, and 3187 02:43:48.159 --> 02:43:50.440 like PvP servers, you can't change jack shit about them. 3188 02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:54.879 You can't give servers cross realm or anything, oh sorry, 3189 02:43:55.840 --> 02:43:58.159 cross faction or something that would just ruin the entire 3190 02:43:58.840 --> 02:44:02.159 like theme of the server. But PvE is already like 3191 02:44:02.280 --> 02:44:03.920 the fact that I go to Hills Brad and me 3192 02:44:04.000 --> 02:44:06.239 and a human can't kill each other. It kind of 3193 02:44:06.319 --> 02:44:08.559 dwindles it down and makes it less jarring anyway. That 3194 02:44:08.760 --> 02:44:10.360 well as well be able to fucking group of them 3195 02:44:10.399 --> 02:44:11.040 then who cares? 3196 02:44:13.040 --> 02:44:13.159 Now? 3197 02:44:13.239 --> 02:44:14.440 Yeah, I think it would flip it on its. 3198 02:44:14.399 --> 02:44:17.200 Head, ub. I'm happy to be guided by your judgment 3199 02:44:17.280 --> 02:44:19.360 on this one. Not that it's a big deal. It 3200 02:44:19.399 --> 02:44:21.959 doesn't really matter. But I thought, do you think it's 3201 02:44:22.000 --> 02:44:26.760 more fun if we keep the Tim RFC run story 3202 02:44:27.479 --> 02:44:30.000 just between sort of the people that were there? Or 3203 02:44:30.040 --> 02:44:31.000 should I share it. 3204 02:44:31.079 --> 02:44:31.959 For a laugh? 3205 02:44:32.879 --> 02:44:34.879 That's such a good story, man, I don't know. 3206 02:44:35.200 --> 02:44:39.159 I don't want to upset Tim. Do you think it's 3207 02:44:39.200 --> 02:44:41.239 fun if I tell it or if I sit on it? 3208 02:44:43.040 --> 02:44:46.680 I think we saw a hard working employee just testing 3209 02:44:46.760 --> 02:44:50.040 the game's engine out and making sure everything's working. Fine. 3210 02:44:50.280 --> 02:44:53.520 Agree, I wouldn't want to tell the story and have 3211 02:44:53.760 --> 02:44:57.760 fucking loser nerds give them an excuse to be like, oh, 3212 02:44:58.000 --> 02:45:00.360 fucking typical Blizzard. You know what I mean, what do 3213 02:45:00.440 --> 02:45:00.760 you reckon? 3214 02:45:00.840 --> 02:45:02.719 Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't think. I don't think 3215 02:45:02.799 --> 02:45:04.879 give the wolves any food. We can just have a 3216 02:45:04.959 --> 02:45:06.239 laugh about it for eternity. 3217 02:45:06.479 --> 02:45:08.680 Yeah, we wonder what the hell it is. We'll keep 3218 02:45:08.760 --> 02:45:10.959 that one internal, all right, too easy. 3219 02:45:11.840 --> 02:45:14.040 Until he's returned, and then we'll have a cackle about it. 3220 02:45:14.360 --> 02:45:19.600 Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right, so yeah, we we had that. 3221 02:45:19.760 --> 02:45:21.360 It was so fun, like just being able to do 3222 02:45:21.399 --> 02:45:23.399 a dungeon with Tim anyway, that that's as far as 3223 02:45:23.440 --> 02:45:25.360 I'll take the story for you guys on the show. 3224 02:45:26.719 --> 02:45:31.280 But yeah, it's it's one of those things that you 3225 02:45:31.360 --> 02:45:35.840 know that they're obviously they're obviously making changes. They're obviously 3226 02:45:35.959 --> 02:45:38.440 trying to get TBC Anniversary to be a little bit 3227 02:45:38.479 --> 02:45:41.079 different this time around. Some of those changes might be fine. 3228 02:45:41.120 --> 02:45:44.159 It might be financial. Some might be for the betterment 3229 02:45:44.200 --> 02:45:46.120 of the game, like you know, hopefully the Terror Cone 3230 02:45:46.159 --> 02:45:50.399 additions and whatnot. But we shall see what TBC twenty 3231 02:45:50.479 --> 02:45:54.280 twenty six has on TBC twenty twenty one. But look, guys, 3232 02:45:54.360 --> 02:45:57.520 like I said, I can't stress this enough. How do 3233 02:45:57.600 --> 02:46:00.680 I explain this? Don't think I'm like not excited, but 3234 02:46:01.040 --> 02:46:04.239 I'm not like busting at the seams to play TBC. 3235 02:46:04.680 --> 02:46:06.239 That doesn't mean I'm not going to play it and 3236 02:46:06.319 --> 02:46:08.120 have fun with you. I will play it. I'll play 3237 02:46:08.120 --> 02:46:09.840 a bunch of it because I have nothing else to play, 3238 02:46:09.959 --> 02:46:13.399 but stress on the because I have nothing else to play. 3239 02:46:14.840 --> 02:46:18.159 It really is just Classic plus waiting room. But while 3240 02:46:18.239 --> 02:46:21.479 we're while we're dealing with that, don't think it's apathetic. 3241 02:46:21.559 --> 02:46:24.120 And guys, I really do encourage you. Please, everyone here 3242 02:46:24.200 --> 02:46:26.200 listening to you know, like I said, you guys here 3243 02:46:26.239 --> 02:46:28.280 at the three hour markt the true chads of the 3244 02:46:28.319 --> 02:46:31.200 Countdown to Classic community. You are the real fans. You're 3245 02:46:31.280 --> 02:46:35.159 the exact fucking people that we want to play with. 3246 02:46:35.920 --> 02:46:41.959 Countdown has a reputation for being fucking awesome, mature, fun people. 3247 02:46:42.200 --> 02:46:46.239 We've now, you know, fuck easy. How much drama have 3248 02:46:46.399 --> 02:46:48.440 we had to deal with in like, you know, someone 3249 02:46:48.559 --> 02:46:50.879 saying something they shouldn't have said in guilt chat or whatever. 3250 02:46:51.079 --> 02:46:55.040 Literally zero, right, not a single time, not a single 3251 02:46:55.200 --> 02:46:59.239 fucking time. Oh yeah, voodo his lick in his lips. Now, really, well, 3252 02:47:00.040 --> 02:47:00.920 you have to hand this up. 3253 02:47:02.120 --> 02:47:04.159 We've had a few people that really show up yet, 3254 02:47:04.159 --> 02:47:05.520 and they're showing up now, So we'll see you in 3255 02:47:05.559 --> 02:47:06.159 the d's head. 3256 02:47:06.200 --> 02:47:07.719 But so far it's been amazing. 3257 02:47:08.239 --> 02:47:11.360 Everyone is a fucking delight within this community, or the 3258 02:47:11.479 --> 02:47:13.600 exact kind of people I want to play this game with. 3259 02:47:13.840 --> 02:47:16.319 You are the opposite of the people that I slag 3260 02:47:16.440 --> 02:47:18.760 on this show when I say there's so many wow 3261 02:47:18.840 --> 02:47:21.239 fuck WIT's out there who do all the things you 3262 02:47:21.280 --> 02:47:26.440 shouldn't do within the game. You are not those people. Please, 3263 02:47:26.680 --> 02:47:30.040 if look, well I've said this much to people, if 3264 02:47:30.079 --> 02:47:31.840 you want to wait for the boosts, I know we've 3265 02:47:31.879 --> 02:47:33.920 just slagged the price of the boost and everything, but 3266 02:47:34.079 --> 02:47:36.079 I very much so understand that a lot of people 3267 02:47:36.079 --> 02:47:37.959 are going to pay the price, and that's totally fine. 3268 02:47:38.440 --> 02:47:40.760 If you want to wait for the boost, wait for 3269 02:47:40.840 --> 02:47:43.399 the boost. I presume a lot of you are, And 3270 02:47:43.479 --> 02:47:46.239 I've said to people, look, the guild's got about, oh, 3271 02:47:46.280 --> 02:47:49.319 I don't know, fifty five sixty five people in it 3272 02:47:49.479 --> 02:47:52.079 right now. I have no doubt that's going to double 3273 02:47:52.159 --> 02:47:55.440 or triple once the fucking pre patch comes. A lot 3274 02:47:55.440 --> 02:47:57.440 of people will be sitting down and waiting for the boost. 3275 02:47:57.520 --> 02:48:01.840 That's totally fine. But if you're boared shitless and you've 3276 02:48:01.840 --> 02:48:04.120 got nothing to do over the next two months, come 3277 02:48:04.200 --> 02:48:07.000 and we are very much so dicking around as easy 3278 02:48:07.040 --> 02:48:09.479 and I keep saying, fuck, we don't even know if 3279 02:48:09.520 --> 02:48:11.360 we're going to be playing the tunes that we're currently 3280 02:48:11.399 --> 02:48:14.959 playing on. We're just in like just fucking around mode. 3281 02:48:15.920 --> 02:48:18.120 Please come and play with us. There's you know a 3282 02:48:18.200 --> 02:48:21.000 good number of people that have fifteen people online at 3283 02:48:21.159 --> 02:48:25.120 you know, peak hours. Come and roll with us. Get 3284 02:48:25.159 --> 02:48:28.319 what you're wanting to play, maybe going. We would love 3285 02:48:28.479 --> 02:48:31.840 some tanks and healers as per always. We're a little 3286 02:48:31.879 --> 02:48:34.000 bit short right now, but I have no doubt, like 3287 02:48:34.079 --> 02:48:36.520 I said, once pre Patch rolls around, we're going to 3288 02:48:36.520 --> 02:48:40.000 be swimming in fucking everything, I would think. But look, 3289 02:48:40.040 --> 02:48:42.719 we want to somewhat replicate what we had with Epoch. 3290 02:48:42.799 --> 02:48:44.360 I don't think we'll get as many as we did 3291 02:48:44.440 --> 02:48:47.319 with Epoch because obviously we'll lose most of the Europeans. 3292 02:48:47.760 --> 02:48:50.319 If you're a European, we'd still love to have you, 3293 02:48:50.520 --> 02:48:52.520 but keep in mind obviously the rad times could be 3294 02:48:52.600 --> 02:48:57.600 problematic for you. You'd have to stay up, well, they'd 3295 02:48:57.639 --> 02:48:59.719 have to. Europeans would have to stay up till like 3296 02:49:00.159 --> 02:49:02.159 you know, one am there time to finish the raid 3297 02:49:02.280 --> 02:49:08.399 or whatever. But anyway, yeah, look I'll float the idea. Now, look, 3298 02:49:08.479 --> 02:49:11.639 depend I think we'll get a lot of people. I 3299 02:49:11.680 --> 02:49:14.680 would think we'll have more than one raid team for sure. 3300 02:49:15.040 --> 02:49:18.040 One raid team. The raid team I'll be in will 3301 02:49:18.159 --> 02:49:21.479 be rating on Friday nights, North American time. If that 3302 02:49:21.559 --> 02:49:23.440 scares the shit out of you, don't roll with us. 3303 02:49:23.520 --> 02:49:27.159 That's fine. But also don't be perturbed by that, because 3304 02:49:27.680 --> 02:49:31.440 because we're content creators, you know, fucking bullshit guilds, and 3305 02:49:31.520 --> 02:49:33.520 I can spread the word of this guild to thousands 3306 02:49:33.559 --> 02:49:35.639 of people. We're going to have a lot of people 3307 02:49:35.680 --> 02:49:37.680 in the guild and there will more than likely be 3308 02:49:37.760 --> 02:49:41.879 more than twenty five raiders. So if you Friday nights 3309 02:49:41.920 --> 02:49:44.559 don't work for you, don't be scared away because I 3310 02:49:44.639 --> 02:49:46.719 got to virtually guarantee you there'll be a second rate 3311 02:49:46.799 --> 02:49:49.360 team going at a different time. Easy checkon. That's fair 3312 02:49:49.399 --> 02:49:49.680 to say. 3313 02:49:52.159 --> 02:49:56.440 Yeah, Yield's growing well during some pretty lean times. And wow, 3314 02:49:56.600 --> 02:49:58.520 so like you said before, a prepatch is really going 3315 02:49:58.559 --> 02:50:01.360 to bring people out as worth ten and a lot 3316 02:50:01.440 --> 02:50:03.879 of people are content. We just experiencing five and ten 3317 02:50:03.959 --> 02:50:07.399 man content anyway. So yeah, I can definitely see multiple 3318 02:50:07.440 --> 02:50:08.719 read teams going on different nights. 3319 02:50:09.000 --> 02:50:13.159 Yeah, So look, We will figure it out. We'll you know, 3320 02:50:13.319 --> 02:50:15.600 break people up into what their vibe is. Where there's 3321 02:50:15.600 --> 02:50:17.440 one team wants to go a little bit harder, one 3322 02:50:17.479 --> 02:50:19.520 team wants to go a be casual. I don't really care, 3323 02:50:20.040 --> 02:50:22.840 but look, we're not gonna you guys know what the 3324 02:50:22.879 --> 02:50:26.959 countdown vibe is. We're not really pass lords. We kind of, 3325 02:50:27.360 --> 02:50:30.760 you know, move in another direction. If you are a 3326 02:50:30.840 --> 02:50:33.840 sweaty player and there's nothing wrong with you, who really 3327 02:50:33.920 --> 02:50:36.879 really cares about your passes, then then just hang out 3328 02:50:36.879 --> 02:50:39.319 with us in discord. The guild probably won't be for you. 3329 02:50:41.200 --> 02:50:44.360 Unless you want to speed run. Send your applications with 3330 02:50:44.520 --> 02:50:46.879 a photo if you're holding a spoon to arcrosst gmail 3331 02:50:46.920 --> 02:50:47.239 dot com. 3332 02:50:47.440 --> 02:50:51.639 Yes, exactly, exactly. But yeah, Friday nights. We do Friday 3333 02:50:51.719 --> 02:50:54.920 nights because it works well for the you know, relatively 3334 02:50:54.959 --> 02:50:57.000 decent number of OCE players that we have, you know, 3335 02:50:57.159 --> 02:51:01.159 Ubi Voodoo, you know Campsy, Marcus and I We're all 3336 02:51:01.239 --> 02:51:05.040 OCE players. It's it's basically like it would probably be 3337 02:51:05.280 --> 02:51:08.840 closer to like a lunchtime raid for us, like an 3338 02:51:08.879 --> 02:51:11.799 eleven am twelve pm raid start on a Saturday, which 3339 02:51:11.879 --> 02:51:18.040 is totally fine by us. So yeah, yeah, so something 3340 02:51:18.079 --> 02:51:24.280 to look forward to there, so guys, yeah, yeah, yeah, 3341 02:51:24.360 --> 02:51:28.079 exactly start to get excited. But yeah yeah, and you 3342 02:51:28.239 --> 02:51:30.520 be sorry, mate, you didn't get the guild lead this 3343 02:51:30.639 --> 02:51:32.559 time after we saw what you did with it last time. 3344 02:51:32.760 --> 02:51:37.719 I'm very hey that guild's still alive, and I would say, 3345 02:51:38.159 --> 02:51:41.280 my baby got murdered by greater powers than I. There 3346 02:51:41.319 --> 02:51:44.399 you go, but I'm happy to be a peasant this time. 3347 02:51:44.760 --> 02:51:49.319 No responsibilities, just slammer the jam hate the officers that 3348 02:51:49.559 --> 02:51:53.079 you did, like you're seriously, I don't know if people 3349 02:51:53.520 --> 02:51:55.479 take pity because I'm trying to level a warrior, but 3350 02:51:55.520 --> 02:51:57.600 every time I log on, there's a gift in my mailbox, 3351 02:51:57.879 --> 02:51:58.719 so I appreciate that. 3352 02:51:59.000 --> 02:52:02.239 That's that's easy to everyone. 3353 02:52:04.079 --> 02:52:08.559 Yeah, well there's who's like, well, maybe are they all easies? Alts? 3354 02:52:08.639 --> 02:52:12.719 There's been like probably mean fucking gene. 3355 02:52:15.040 --> 02:52:15.799 D I should you not? 3356 02:52:15.959 --> 02:52:18.079 I should you not? There's seventy five people in the guild. 3357 02:52:18.520 --> 02:52:20.079 Ten of them are easy terms. 3358 02:52:23.159 --> 02:52:25.559 You like exists on the server before they guilded. 3359 02:52:25.639 --> 02:52:28.319 Come on, now a minute, he says, you have a 3360 02:52:28.360 --> 02:52:29.040 second raid group. 3361 02:52:29.079 --> 02:52:30.079 I'll just be just his y. 3362 02:52:32.360 --> 02:52:32.920 Yeah, told me. 3363 02:52:34.040 --> 02:52:37.520 I second your your plead to people. If you want 3364 02:52:37.520 --> 02:52:41.600 to come level like I I'm leveling the Warrior that fully, 3365 02:52:42.440 --> 02:52:45.079 it's like expecting myself to only get it to like 3366 02:52:45.239 --> 02:52:47.520 thirty and then just use the boost on it. Anyway. 3367 02:52:47.600 --> 02:52:49.600 But if you like that, you know, if you want 3368 02:52:49.639 --> 02:52:53.239 to do the first chunk of levels that do like 3369 02:52:53.680 --> 02:52:55.479 r f C and whaling cabins and stuff with everyone, 3370 02:52:55.520 --> 02:52:57.959 it's still pretty fun. Speaking of which, we've got to 3371 02:52:58.000 --> 02:52:58.840 te up the r f C. 3372 02:52:59.239 --> 02:52:59.520 We'll do it. 3373 02:52:59.600 --> 02:52:59.920 We'll do it. 3374 02:53:00.079 --> 02:53:01.840 We'll do it straight after this. I'm gonna literally end 3375 02:53:01.879 --> 02:53:03.600 this in the next five minutes. So guys, Yeah, I 3376 02:53:03.600 --> 02:53:05.399 can't stress enough. Don't don't be scared off, Like it's 3377 02:53:05.440 --> 02:53:08.920 not like you can't you know, upload your logs and 3378 02:53:09.120 --> 02:53:11.200 you know, we'll record the logs and upload them and 3379 02:53:11.239 --> 02:53:13.200 fucking check your logs for improvement and all that shit. 3380 02:53:13.239 --> 02:53:13.399 You know. 3381 02:53:13.440 --> 02:53:16.559 I'm not I'm not anti logs, but I am very 3382 02:53:16.799 --> 02:53:21.120 anti people who make their their past numbers their their lives. 3383 02:53:22.040 --> 02:53:25.040 And I won't allow people to bring that vibe to 3384 02:53:25.079 --> 02:53:28.840 the guild. I really want to fuck that off. I 3385 02:53:28.920 --> 02:53:32.159 don't want people fucking you know, we talked in discord 3386 02:53:32.200 --> 02:53:34.479 about someone in the guild losing their shit because there 3387 02:53:34.600 --> 02:53:36.440 was a wipe and they lost their buffs, like, none 3388 02:53:36.479 --> 02:53:38.079 of that will be in the Countdown guild. I can 3389 02:53:38.120 --> 02:53:40.760 fucking assure you, Marcus. You were saying, who's going to 3390 02:53:40.799 --> 02:53:42.040 be the canary in the coal mine for what? 3391 02:53:42.879 --> 02:53:46.920 Well, no, the canary m countdown is So who's actually 3392 02:53:47.000 --> 02:53:47.920 in control of the guild? 3393 02:53:49.079 --> 02:53:49.760 No, no, no, no, no no. 3394 02:53:50.319 --> 02:53:52.680 So I think I think what we'll do is whether 3395 02:53:52.760 --> 02:53:54.760 and we haven't had a chat about this, but I 3396 02:53:54.879 --> 02:53:57.040 am I am the guild master. But I've said on 3397 02:53:57.079 --> 02:53:59.000 the show multiple times in the past I should never 3398 02:53:59.079 --> 02:54:01.360 be allowed anywhere near the fucking lead of a guild 3399 02:54:01.360 --> 02:54:03.840 because I literally have no idea what I'm doing. I 3400 02:54:03.959 --> 02:54:06.680 think that the shadow, that the person in the shadows 3401 02:54:06.760 --> 02:54:09.120 pulling all the fucking puppet strings is easy. 3402 02:54:10.319 --> 02:54:12.680 Very good. It's you man. 3403 02:54:12.879 --> 02:54:18.120 Let's tell you, I'm not even remotely interested. 3404 02:54:19.079 --> 02:54:21.799 None of us will go well, promote you be now, 3405 02:54:22.040 --> 02:54:22.680 just promote them. 3406 02:54:23.120 --> 02:54:30.360 Yeah, we'll do what could go wrong leadership to No, 3407 02:54:30.639 --> 02:54:32.680 we'll just have the Council of twelve. It's fine. 3408 02:54:33.879 --> 02:54:36.360 I did it first time around, and due to a 3409 02:54:37.719 --> 02:54:42.600 due to a lack of shamans, it was ship that 3410 02:54:42.719 --> 02:54:44.600 was so hard to find on Alliance Look. 3411 02:54:44.440 --> 02:54:47.280 We'll figure out all the details later later, But like 3412 02:54:47.360 --> 02:54:48.879 I said, I don't want to do, it's not going. 3413 02:54:48.879 --> 02:54:51.840 To be hard to fully I successfully ran a global guild, 3414 02:54:51.879 --> 02:54:53.479 thank you very much. A right that's gone on the resume, 3415 02:54:54.120 --> 02:55:00.840 international corporation with multi multiple languages and people will vomit. 3416 02:55:01.000 --> 02:55:03.719 But like outside of gearing the tank, I'm also like 3417 02:55:03.840 --> 02:55:06.399 someone who doesn't care about running SR guilds. But I 3418 02:55:06.479 --> 02:55:08.280 know a lot of people feel funny about that. But 3419 02:55:08.399 --> 02:55:09.479 we'll see what happens. 3420 02:55:10.879 --> 02:55:13.159 That going to be your job application, UV, where you 3421 02:55:13.200 --> 02:55:16.079 said you ran a multi world organization. 3422 02:55:16.399 --> 02:55:22.879 Or four hundred machine twenty four hours a day. 3423 02:55:24.200 --> 02:55:26.479 Well, look, here's all we'll do. Guys. UV will go 3424 02:55:26.600 --> 02:55:29.000 off and run an RFC right now on your Warrior. 3425 02:55:29.000 --> 02:55:31.719 I'll bring my warlock in. Guys, let me know if 3426 02:55:31.719 --> 02:55:33.639 you want to be a part of that. But what 3427 02:55:33.760 --> 02:55:37.079 we'll do is either next week or the week after easy, 3428 02:55:37.280 --> 02:55:39.559 I think we'll do the big Epoch episode that we've 3429 02:55:39.639 --> 02:55:42.280 been teasing we do, so write down all your points 3430 02:55:42.399 --> 02:55:45.280 about the things you remember from Epoch that you'd love 3431 02:55:45.319 --> 02:55:47.319 to see in a classic. Plus, I think Green would 3432 02:55:47.319 --> 02:55:49.120 probably be interested in a chat like that as well. 3433 02:55:49.159 --> 02:55:53.200 A bunch of you would, and we'll really go through. 3434 02:55:53.680 --> 02:55:55.920 That'll be the episode we send a blizzard with our 3435 02:55:56.000 --> 02:55:56.799 list of demands. 3436 02:55:56.920 --> 02:56:02.200 Yeah. Perfect, Yeah, it will hurt to reminisce of that 3437 02:56:02.319 --> 02:56:05.159 summer flame we had a decade ago. But oh sure 3438 02:56:05.159 --> 02:56:05.959 we can talk about it. 3439 02:56:06.200 --> 02:56:09.159 It really it does already start to feel it's got 3440 02:56:09.239 --> 02:56:12.600 that grease vibe, like I seriously feel like where John 3441 02:56:12.639 --> 02:56:14.799 Travolter and that was folk was Olivia And. 3442 02:56:14.760 --> 02:56:20.920 You start the start the pod with summer eleven. Just 3443 02:56:21.040 --> 02:56:24.760 do it, just kick it off, good music, do it? 3444 02:56:25.000 --> 02:56:25.440 There you go? 3445 02:56:26.440 --> 02:56:28.799 All right, boys, look, let's all say goodbyes. Thank you 3446 02:56:28.879 --> 02:56:31.000 so much all you Countdown Chad's out there. Thank you 3447 02:56:31.040 --> 02:56:33.079 for listening up to the three hour mark. We fucking 3448 02:56:33.120 --> 02:56:35.520 love you all. Come join the guild, no excuses, Come 3449 02:56:35.639 --> 02:56:39.200 dick around with us boys as always, it's been a pleasure. 3450 02:56:39.479 --> 02:56:40.000 See you guys. 3451 02:56:40.760 --> 02:56:41.879 See it nomah in a minute. 3452 02:56:44.120 --> 02:56:46.200 And that's the episode for today. Everyone, Thank you so 3453 02:56:46.319 --> 02:56:48.799 much for listening into all of that. And I'll just 3454 02:56:48.959 --> 02:56:51.879 resrate once again. If you've liked what you kind of 3455 02:56:51.959 --> 02:56:53.559 heard through all of that and you're like, hey, I 3456 02:56:54.120 --> 02:56:56.840 like the cut of these Countdown blokes jib, then come 3457 02:56:56.920 --> 02:56:58.719 and join the Guild. We'd love to play with you. 3458 02:56:59.120 --> 02:57:04.479 But in the meets. Oh oh that's a good podcast moment. 3459 02:57:04.559 --> 02:57:09.000 Let's keep that in fuck it in the time. Let's 3460 02:57:09.040 --> 02:57:12.920 thank the following patrons and the amazing people who keep 3461 02:57:13.000 --> 02:57:16.159 this podcast to float. They are Flozy b Vucka, you 3462 02:57:16.399 --> 02:57:19.079 fucking legend. I love you so much. What a good guy. 3463 02:57:19.600 --> 02:57:24.440 Gra Evan Croxford, odd Ka Honey be Grimoire plays all 3464 02:57:24.959 --> 02:57:29.479 the mighty Doloman, Jaron h vac Simile, all you amazing, 3465 02:57:29.559 --> 02:57:32.399 amazing people. Thank you so much for keeping the podcast afloat. 3466 02:57:32.680 --> 02:57:34.920 And the same goes out to all my lovely five dollars, 3467 02:57:34.920 --> 02:57:37.200 two dollars and one dollar patrons as well. Thank you guys. 3468 02:57:37.239 --> 02:57:39.399 The show would not be a thing if it weren't 3469 02:57:39.440 --> 02:57:41.840 for all of you. Thank you so much. Throwing the 3470 02:57:41.920 --> 02:57:45.600 proverbial coins into my guitar cases, I busk away on 3471 02:57:45.680 --> 02:57:47.360 the side of the street and get people to talk 3472 02:57:47.360 --> 02:57:50.639 about World of Warcraft Classic with me. Guys, look, thanks 3473 02:57:50.680 --> 02:57:52.879 so much. That's pretty much everything. Like I said, get off, 3474 02:57:52.920 --> 02:57:54.520 you're asked, join the guild and we'll see you on 3475 02:57:54.559 --> 02:57:56.000 the next episode. Thanks everyone. 3476 02:58:00.040 --> 02:58:00.079 The