Speaker 1: You're listening to KFI AM six forty on demand.
Speaker 2: You know, I was thinking, as we were talking about paganism,
Speaker 2: there's a game, the college game, many many years ago,
Speaker 2: six degrees of separate separation, or six degrees of Kevin Bacon,
Speaker 2: where you would you would sit there and you would
Speaker 2: name a person, and you try and see how many
Speaker 2: times you could get, you know, or name a person
Speaker 2: if you could get within six tries or six movies
Speaker 2: back to Kevin Bacon. So you'd name an actor and
Speaker 2: you'd say Tom Cruise, Well, Tom Cruise was in this
Speaker 2: with so and so, and that was and then so
Speaker 2: and so was in this with so and so, and ultimately,
Speaker 2: within six tries you'd get back mathematically to a movie
Speaker 2: that Kevin Bacon was in. Well, it's almost six degrees
Speaker 2: of paganism, because no matter where you go or what
Speaker 2: direction you run in, you can be brought back to
Speaker 2: paganism even in the things you're comfortable with. As we're
Speaker 2: limited on time, we can only talk so much, you know,
Speaker 2: during during phone calls and stuff like that. But as
Speaker 2: we're talking and the mention of Christmas and goes, well,
Speaker 2: that's Christmas, and they celebrated and the wise men. Unfortunately
Speaker 2: we had to go to a break. But you think
Speaker 2: about the concept of the wise men. The wise men
Speaker 2: were the magi, they were pagan astrologers, and yet people
Speaker 2: have those on cards and everything like that, and during
Speaker 2: the holidays and even see shirts saying wise men still
Speaker 2: follow him today with a picture of me on it,
Speaker 2: you know, either on the cross or something like that,
Speaker 2: and things like this. You'd be surprised how much it
Speaker 2: is it has infiltrated, not on its own, but willingly
Speaker 2: buy different groups or leaders like Constantine and the like
Speaker 2: that had shaved off as much of it as they
Speaker 2: could and then applied the others so that there was
Speaker 2: comfort level in its growth. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 2: Christianity can be argued by historians at least I might
Speaker 2: have a different thought, but that a lot of that
Speaker 2: is what propelled Christianity, you know, Rome, Constantine changing Rome
Speaker 2: and their national religion and belief system. At first, it
Speaker 2: was opening it up to all beliefs, and it was
Speaker 2: more of a okay, listen, you're not going to be
Speaker 2: persecuted for being Christian anymore.
Speaker 1: That's the first thing.
Speaker 2: And then slowly he started opening that up and then
Speaker 2: he started saying, well, no, paganism's a problem, and we're
Speaker 2: going to start not just allowing everything, but now putting
Speaker 2: paganism down. And through the process of the years and
Speaker 2: so on, came to a point where he says, now
Speaker 2: Christianity's mandatory.
Speaker 1: In ways, and then you've.
Speaker 2: Got people going okay, well then I'm just gonna take
Speaker 2: this with me, or this with me, or this with me.
Speaker 1: Does that always work?
Speaker 2: Absolutely not. Are there systems that are polluted and perverted
Speaker 2: because they've brought things into Christianity. Absolutely, But that's where
Speaker 2: discernment comes from. And my purpose for bringing these things
Speaker 2: up and pointing them out is even the word holy
Speaker 2: day has been muted to holiday, and there are things
Speaker 2: like blessings and the term holy itself that really date
Speaker 2: very far back, pre dating Christianity. And if you start
Speaker 2: just throwing the baby out with the bathwater, you have problems.
Speaker 2: The bath water is dirty, the baby is clean, and
Speaker 2: you need to look around and see how these things
Speaker 2: are interacting in your life. If they are neutral or
Speaker 2: can be neutralized, then that's fine. If they're infiltrated by
Speaker 2: way of someone with an agenda or something or these
Speaker 2: types of things, then yes, you are to defend yourself
Speaker 2: and your faith against those kinds of interruptions. But many
Speaker 2: of these things from thousands of years of filtering have
Speaker 2: become benign. You know, the practices that these things once
Speaker 2: held have nothing to do with it. A child is
Speaker 2: not running around in a costume of their favorite superhero
Speaker 2: thinking that they are warding off demons and spirits and
Speaker 2: ghosts as they dance around a bonfire. It's simply them
Speaker 2: trying to get candy and dressing up. When it says
Speaker 2: in scripture that you are created in the image of God,
Speaker 2: some argue that that is that you have intellect, will,
Speaker 2: and emotion. Others would say that your very creativity and
Speaker 2: the desire to be creative or create and to build
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form, is antithetical to the
Speaker 2: devil himself, who wishes to to destroy. So when you
Speaker 2: find children having a desire to create or be creative,
Speaker 2: it is something that should be encouraged. Others will look
Speaker 2: at Halloween and the concept of death in Mayhem and say, oh, well,
Speaker 2: it deals with the death or death or skeletons. And
Speaker 2: I've always appreciated the look of our brothers and sisters
Speaker 2: that have cultures rooted in in Mexico and their understanding
Speaker 2: or they're at peace with the concept of death, and
Speaker 2: they celebrate the Day of the Dead, not as something
Speaker 2: that worships the dead, but as something it's kind of
Speaker 2: like All Saints Day, where it's a time to look
Speaker 2: back on those from your family that have passed on
Speaker 2: and to celebrate their life. But it's done with imageries,
Speaker 2: the imagery of skulls, and you know, people get confused,
Speaker 2: what is this about? Is it's it looks dark and sinister,
Speaker 2: and really it's not. It's about life. Even the place
Speaker 2: where I died, Golgatha, is the place of the skull.
Speaker 2: Christians are taught not to fear he who can kill
Speaker 2: the flesh, but he who can kill the spirit, or both,
Speaker 2: and so the concept of combating the fear of death
Speaker 2: is a scriptural one. Though I walk through the valley
Speaker 2: of the shadow of death, I show fear no evil,
Speaker 2: and that kind of attitude can be healthy and productive. Now,
Speaker 2: as an adult, you need to have discernment in all
Speaker 2: things and apply it to your life and the life
Speaker 2: of your children absolutely and find where that line is
Speaker 2: for you and how you would want to practice something
Speaker 2: like this. But I will tell you that when you
Speaker 2: when you kind of sequester a child from something that's
Speaker 2: going on in the world and it's not explained properly,
Speaker 2: or it's just well that has demonic roots, a kid
Speaker 2: doesn't even know what a pagan is or any of
Speaker 2: those things, then you end up cutting off much more
Speaker 2: than you think you are because environmentalism. Yes, on one side,
Speaker 2: you can say I'm being a good steward with the
Speaker 2: world that God has given. But on the other side,
Speaker 2: early pagans were worshiping and taking care of the world.
Speaker 2: So is it about taking care of the world that's
Speaker 2: good or bad? Or is it about why you're taking
Speaker 2: care of the world and to who that glory goes?
Speaker 2: These are the things that I think are lost in
Speaker 2: these battles of well, it's just bad or it's just good.
Speaker 2: God is just good. And there are a lot of
Speaker 2: Christian liberty and a lot of battling that went on
Speaker 2: in the Church of Corinth, And oh, should I eat
Speaker 2: this if it was given to idols or sacrifice to idols?
Speaker 2: Should I do this? And in many cases it's like,
Speaker 2: eat what you want. If it glorifies God, you're fine.
Speaker 2: And then on some cases, if there's somebody who's going
Speaker 2: to stumble by the very fact that you're doing that.
Speaker 2: You don't want to cause the lesser minded, as Scripture says,
Speaker 2: or those that know less, to fall, but you also
Speaker 2: want to educate them. In educating them, then they won't
Speaker 2: stumble on the smaller stones. They'll see the bigger picture.
Speaker 2: And that's my only hope here. It's not to champion
Speaker 2: a particular holiday or to tear another holiday down. It's
Speaker 2: to be reasonable, partially because if when you're reasonable, others
Speaker 2: will see you're reasonable, and they'll believe what you say
Speaker 2: about your faith and about God if they're non believers,
Speaker 2: if you're unreasonable.
Speaker 1: They will reject what you.
Speaker 2: Say and what you do and your belief God. Rebecca,
Speaker 2: Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 1: Hi, I was wondering if you're tell me what your
Speaker 1: thoughts are on the way man seems to be destroying
Speaker 1: the earth and the skies and the oceans. Well, make
Speaker 1: no mistake about it.
Speaker 2: I know it gets politicized and it seems wrongly so
Speaker 2: that to become a political issue. And I know that
Speaker 2: there's different pundits from different sides going, oh, well, you
Speaker 2: know such and such wants this, or so and so
Speaker 2: wants that. But Scripture is very clear. Scripture talks about
Speaker 2: the importance and the beauty of creation and how humans
Speaker 2: have stewartship over it. And the term stewartship is very
Speaker 2: specific in the sense that you're there to take care
Speaker 2: of it. And so does that mean that you should
Speaker 2: cease doing anything that deals with production or anything. No,
Speaker 2: it's not about that. But taking care of the earth
Speaker 2: is part of the commission of God throughout the entirety
Speaker 2: of Scripture, and the balance there you have to understand
Speaker 2: as to how to do that in a way to
Speaker 2: leave the smallest print and damage on the earth as
Speaker 2: you exist on it, so that others can exist on
Speaker 2: it as well. And both sides politicize it in a
Speaker 2: way that I think is vulgar and upsetting. One group
Speaker 2: plays the heartstrings and manipulate science to get their point
Speaker 2: and the other does the same thing in the other direction.
Speaker 1: So if you.
Speaker 2: Scrape all the politics off it, God says you should
Speaker 2: take care of the animals. That doesn't mean that you
Speaker 2: can't eat them. Strangely enough, so likewise, God says to
Speaker 2: be a good steward or take care of the planet.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that you can't use its resources, but
Speaker 2: you have to be reasonable in doing those things. And
Speaker 2: I think the Bible is very clear in that, Rebecca,
Speaker 2: And there's a balance there. A lot of the pollution
Speaker 2: that comes from greed and people wanting to make something
Speaker 2: cheaper and faster and all this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's a problem.
Speaker 2: That's a problem, But in a capitalistic society, the United
Speaker 2: States is governed by the Constitution, not by the Bible.
Speaker 2: So I think the individual Christian should be governed governed
Speaker 2: by a scripture. And know that as an individual, if
Speaker 2: they own companies or if they go out and use products,
Speaker 2: that they should be aware of how these products are,
Speaker 2: the things they're doing affect the world around them, and
Speaker 2: if it may lay harm to someone else, and these
Speaker 2: types of things. You've got to keep it all in balance.
Speaker 2: And unfortunately politics doesn't bring much balance. So steer away
Speaker 2: from the political talk about it and just know that
Speaker 2: you've got to be sensible. You're not going to throw
Speaker 2: trash or garbage on the ground, don't put it into
Speaker 2: the air, don't put it into the water. James, Welcome
Speaker 2: to the Jesus Christ Show. Yes, Hi, James, I'm well, sir, quickly,
Speaker 2: we only have it a moment a moment or so here, okay, help, Yes.
Speaker 3: I was just wondering, why should we, you know, promote
Speaker 3: those evil holidays and give it a bad example to
Speaker 3: the kids.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, I think that's a legitimate question. What would
Speaker 2: you say about the Halloween holiday, which really is a
Speaker 2: derivative of a Christian holiday, All Saints Day, and not
Speaker 2: necessarily sow in the Celtic festival which preceded them, But
Speaker 2: it is more mutation of All Saints Day and All
Speaker 2: Hallows Eve, which came from the Christians. So what part
Speaker 2: of Halloween do you find to be evil?
Speaker 3: Well, that's in the night, and everybody studies who whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa,
Speaker 3: whoa whoa.
Speaker 1: Why would why would be in the night? Why would
Speaker 1: something be in the night be evil?
Speaker 3: Because that's when evil people celebrate, you know, So.
Speaker 2: If you not necessarily, there were many pagan rituals that
Speaker 2: were in the morning. So if you go to church
Speaker 2: at night, that's.
Speaker 1: Evil, no necessary okay, So anything you do at night.
Speaker 3: Is evil, not necessarily.
Speaker 1: Okay, So why is it evil in this case?
Speaker 3: Because of all this evil masks and.
Speaker 1: Okay, so what would be an evil mask?
Speaker 3: Well, they got you could go out there and see
Speaker 3: yourself all these evil masks they're weorrying, you know.
Speaker 1: Okay, are there not some non evil masks?
Speaker 3: Very few?
Speaker 1: Okay, but there are some few. Okay.
Speaker 2: So you're saying if they wear an evil mask and
Speaker 2: maybe go out at dusk before it gets too dark,
Speaker 2: it's okay.
Speaker 3: No, but the whole point is that pretty much we're following,
Speaker 3: you know, taking holidays.
Speaker 2: No, actually, it's not anymore. That's that's the true point,
Speaker 2: is that it's not anymore. And if anything, if you
Speaker 2: could imagine an old, decayed building that was used as
Speaker 2: a as a you know, selling crack or something James,
Speaker 2: that has been repainted and refixed up to be something
Speaker 2: that is more productive and better, then that should be honored.
Speaker 2: It's not about what it used to be, it's about
Speaker 2: what it can become. And that that really is on
Speaker 2: the shoulders of the Christian parent to direct their children
Speaker 2: in a proper way. But really saying because that night
Speaker 2: is silly or because they're evil masks, you can change
Speaker 2: the evil mask things, and certainly not everything at night
Speaker 2: is evil. Dennis, Welcome to Jesus Christ show. Hi Dennis,
Speaker 2: how can I help you?
Speaker 4: I'll just listen to them other two callers there about
Speaker 4: Halloween there, Yes, sir, I wouldn't think that anybody would
Speaker 4: really think of it as being evil unless they worship
Speaker 4: it as evil. I look at it as fictional and
Speaker 4: fictional characters just like anything else, and fun for the kids.
Speaker 4: I mean, unless you worship them and them evil, if
Speaker 4: they think they're evil, the mask and whatever that would
Speaker 4: like say, ghost in goblins. I don't believe in ghost
Speaker 4: and goblins and whiches and stuff.
Speaker 5: Like that anyway.
Speaker 4: Well, no, he worshiped them and put them before God.
Speaker 4: It's just a holiday for the kids.
Speaker 1: I think that is well said.
Speaker 2: I think there's a lot of people that see it
Speaker 2: for something that it's not, or that it was once,
Speaker 2: But it doesn't involve those things. And truly it lands
Speaker 2: on the parents to make the decision in the life
Speaker 2: of their child.
Speaker 1: But be careful.
Speaker 2: There are things we say on the program often that
Speaker 2: there are wounds you bandage and wounds you amputate so
Speaker 2: it doesn't pervert the rest of the body. And there
Speaker 2: are some things you want to cut from your life
Speaker 2: possibly and say, well, we don't want this, we don't
Speaker 2: want that. But there's also things that you can rebrand
Speaker 2: or structure in a way that are fun and healthy
Speaker 2: and it can have a good time. And I speak
Speaker 2: to many many Christians, and inevitably you ask them and
Speaker 2: they say, well, I just don't want to do them
Speaker 2: in a child, And I say, well, were you brought up
Speaker 2: in a Christian household? Yes, but my parents let us
Speaker 2: celebrate it. And how long have you been worshiping the devil? Now,
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily the way the path goes. And you
Speaker 2: want to protect your children to the best of your ability,
Speaker 2: but also keep in mind that if you're oversensitive on
Speaker 2: things that are benign or neutral, or that you can
Speaker 2: you can put an understanding of Christianity on it, then
Speaker 2: sometimes it confuses and causes great rebellion. And that's not
Speaker 2: to say to be lukewarm and wishy washy without bringing
Speaker 2: because you don't want the kids to rebel.
Speaker 1: It's not my point.
Speaker 2: The point is that makes sure that the things that
Speaker 2: you're trying to cut from their life, that you make
Speaker 2: a good case for it, and that it's understood across
Speaker 2: the board. Otherwise, truly, as they get older, and start
Speaker 2: doing their own research search and seeing that there's all
Speaker 2: kinds of things in your home that have pagan origin
Speaker 2: and customs and things like that. Then and then I'll
Speaker 2: start turning it back on you, and of course that'll
Speaker 2: be a problem. Paul, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show.
Speaker 3: Hello.
Speaker 5: I live in rural West Virginia, and my neighbors down
Speaker 5: the down the road for me are kind of like
Speaker 5: my second family. And it's a married couple with two
Speaker 5: dispautiful young girls eight and ten. And the wife laughed,
Speaker 5: I guess about six or seven weeks ago, and I've
Speaker 5: kind of been his third ear and you know, his support.
Speaker 5: And I'm spending a lot of time down there now.
Speaker 5: And the other day there there are two dogs killed
Speaker 5: one of their cats, and and and and my friend
Speaker 5: and his girls are just just getting devastated. I'm like,
Speaker 5: I mean, I said, man, evil is just coming in
Speaker 5: and ripping his family apart. And and I offered, give
Speaker 5: me your gun and I'll put the two dogs down. Now,
Speaker 5: I mean, I wouldn't do it in front of his girls,
Speaker 5: but you know I would put the dogs down because
Speaker 5: I mean, they're they just destroyed something that they loved
Speaker 5: and on top of that, they lost their mom. And
Speaker 5: I was wondering, if you give me any words of
Speaker 5: encouragement that I could share with these people and bring
Speaker 5: up back into their heart.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you won't do it causing more destruction.
Speaker 5: Will not.
Speaker 2: And I know that when you see people in pain,
Speaker 2: that the desire, Paul is is to defend them in
Speaker 2: that sense. And this is not the type of pain
Speaker 2: that you can defend. This is the type of pain
Speaker 2: that you work through. Proverbs twelve twenty five says anxiety
Speaker 2: in a man's heart weighs it down, but an encouraging
Speaker 2: word makes it glad. And that doesn't mean going out
Speaker 2: and killing things or destroying you know, God's creatures is
Speaker 2: going to bring beauty just because there was pain that
Speaker 2: was brought by them and the dogs didn't know they
Speaker 2: were bringing pain on anyone. And in this particular case,
Speaker 2: what these people need is time to express themselves, time
Speaker 2: to feel their pain, and somebody who cares. And you
Speaker 2: seem to be that person. You seem to be someone
Speaker 2: who genuinely loves I can hear it in your voice
Speaker 2: and cares for them, and right now they need that
Speaker 2: somebody just to love them and be with them. Bring
Speaker 2: beauty not destruction. Make a meal, share a meal, spend time.
Speaker 2: Listen above all, listen and let them speak. Because people
Speaker 2: run from people who've gone through tragedy.
Speaker 1: Don't run.
Speaker 2: Charlie, Welcome to the Jesus Christ Show. Hi, Hi, Charlie.
Speaker 2: How can I help you?
Speaker 6: I I just had a question about, like, how do
Speaker 6: I give glory to God in the like everyday simple
Speaker 6: things in life, like going to a movie with friends
Speaker 6: or mowing the grass or everything like that.
Speaker 1: You know, well, there's it really comes down to.
Speaker 2: If you hear a child talk about their parents and
Speaker 2: you ask that child what you know, would you give
Speaker 2: your life for your parent? They'd say yes. But you
Speaker 2: asked that same child if they'll mow the lawn or
Speaker 2: do the dishes, and they'll go, ah, I don't want to.
Speaker 2: And Christians do this sometimes too. It's like you would
Speaker 2: lay down your life for your God if necessary, but
Speaker 2: you won't live your life for God. And that means
Speaker 2: every little boring thing your parents don't want to be
Speaker 2: you to be at their foot every ten seconds going Gosh,
Speaker 2: you're the greatest parents in the whole white world.
Speaker 1: I love you.
Speaker 2: They want you expressing that in the things that you do,
Speaker 2: showing them that the life they've given you will be
Speaker 2: a life that's productive and righteous and filled with purpose.
Speaker 2: And God wants the same thing. Yes, God wants you
Speaker 2: to worship him. God wants you in church. God wants
Speaker 2: you to pray. God wants you to do all those
Speaker 2: things that have become religious in nature.
Speaker 1: But truly, God wants you to.
Speaker 2: Live a life that is filled every single day with creativity,
Speaker 2: with exploration, with curiosity. And for instance, it says in
Speaker 2: Scripture to pray without ceasing, and truly it's it doesn't
Speaker 2: mean NonStop like a mantra.
Speaker 1: It means kind of like an incessant cough.
Speaker 2: It means always be in that state of knowing that
Speaker 2: God is there and that you're thinking about God. And
Speaker 2: that's kind of what you do with everything. And if
Speaker 2: you partake in something Charlie where you feel like how
Speaker 2: can I bring God into this and it doesn't quite work,
Speaker 2: then maybe that's something that you want to not do
Speaker 2: in your life.
Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, I had a question about like what about
Speaker 7: like going to see like scary movies, Like to me,
Speaker 7: it doesn't affect me, like I don't think it's bad,
Speaker 7: but like, is it not giving glory to God?
Speaker 6: Like if I were to go see like a scary movie.
Speaker 1: Well, it's what the purpose is.
Speaker 2: There are many scary parts to scripture, and I know
Speaker 2: that movies picked.
Speaker 1: You know, angels and demons as.
Speaker 2: Particular types of creatures, but if you saw a good angel,
Speaker 2: it would creep you out at first. The concept it's
Speaker 2: not the single pair of wings. Some angels have multiple
Speaker 2: pairs of wings on their feet, on their shoulders, on
Speaker 2: their backs, and there are things that would be quite frightening.
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, there are times in scripture
Speaker 2: where people were frightened of good angels or godly experiences.
Speaker 2: If you put scripture on camera and on film in
Speaker 2: a very articulate and legitimate way, there would be horrible
Speaker 2: sex scenes, there would be horrible scenes of violence, there
Speaker 2: would be scary things, there would be exciting things. So
Speaker 2: really it's not about those things. In general. There's a
Speaker 2: whole psychology that surrounds the concept of fear and why
Speaker 2: people like to be afraid and get scared when that's
Speaker 2: why they go on roller coasters. A scary movie, within reason,
Speaker 2: is no different than going on a roller coaster. Or
Speaker 2: experiencing something else that would give you a thrill, But
Speaker 2: it's the context of what's being done. And the divider
Speaker 2: really is if something's prescribing you to do something bad,
Speaker 2: then you're not a part of it. But if something
Speaker 2: is describing something bad, then that's just a description of
Speaker 2: things that are taking place, or something that is causing
Speaker 2: you to think about the way the world works, or
Speaker 2: things like that. So different people go see them for
Speaker 2: different reasons. Some people see them because they're movie buffs.
Speaker 2: Then they're fascinated by the concept of special effects or
Speaker 2: the storyline, or they like the thrill of not knowing
Speaker 2: what's coming next. But you could say that about a
Speaker 2: lot of things that, you know, some people would think
Speaker 2: are benign. You know, some people think of Stephen King
Speaker 2: novels okay, but Freddy Krueger movie is not, or you know,
Speaker 2: and go back and forth in these concepts. Having said that, Charlie,
Speaker 2: there are some things that really focus and are done
Speaker 2: by people with dark intent and really focus on evil things.
Speaker 2: And in that case, I would use great discernment as
Speaker 2: to whether you were bringing those images or those thoughts
Speaker 2: or those concepts into your life. You have to decide
Speaker 2: where that line is for you, Because like many things,
Speaker 2: there are specific commandments and admonitions by God that are
Speaker 2: for everyone. Don't murder, don't steal, these types of things,
Speaker 2: and then there are ones that are specifically for you.
Speaker 2: For the alcoholic, they can't drink period. That becomes a
Speaker 2: new commandment in their life, because any drinking becomes a sin,
Speaker 2: whereas someone who's having wine with dinner or something, it's
Speaker 2: not necessarily a sin. So with you, you may have a
Speaker 2: tolerance for certain films because you like the genre, whereas
Speaker 2: for someone else it could be a problem because of
Speaker 2: tendencies in their life or things that excite them in
Speaker 2: a way that shouldn't, or things like that. And you
Speaker 2: have to just be honest with yourself as to why
Speaker 2: why you explore those things or why you're curious about them.
Speaker 2: Are you a horror fan?
Speaker 7: Buff I am? I.
Speaker 6: I just I like to watch them with my friends
Speaker 6: and we like to laugh at some of the scenes,
Speaker 6: and it's just it's just kind of amusing, and it's
Speaker 6: not I don't ever really get scared by them. But
Speaker 6: I have a friend who thinks that it's it's glorifying satan,
Speaker 6: and I just don't know if that's.
Speaker 3: True or not.
Speaker 2: Well, some may be, and that's that's a decision you're
Speaker 2: gonna have to make as you look at them. There
Speaker 2: have been some. Now I don't think they're going to
Speaker 2: throw you into the arms of the devil if you're
Speaker 2: a Christian and that is that is your faith, and
Speaker 2: on the contrary, it may make you run closer to God.
Speaker 2: But these things are our judgment calls on your own
Speaker 2: to say all things that deal with violence or ugliness
Speaker 2: or different spirituality are bad would really put you know,
Speaker 2: everything aside.
Speaker 1: Think about the.
Speaker 2: Christian police officer who is in crime scene investigations that
Speaker 2: ask to come on actual scenes of these things every
Speaker 2: day or see even ritualistic killings or things like that.
Speaker 1: Does that mean that.
Speaker 2: They would cut that out of their job and say
Speaker 2: I can't go on those. It depends what the purpose
Speaker 2: of these things are and as to where they are
Speaker 2: and if you're using them for good and how you're
Speaker 2: applying them. If you think that it's something that's become
Speaker 2: to you know, it's kind of a rite of passage.
Speaker 1: Passage for men.
Speaker 2: A lot of them see these things and kind of
Speaker 2: a lot of gallows humor and laugh fit the things
Speaker 2: that are. They're nut sends to build a thick skin
Speaker 2: and to establish yourself into manhood and things like that
Speaker 2: kind of the part of the warrior process.
Speaker 1: And that can be fine.
Speaker 2: If it becomes an infatuation or something, you know that
Speaker 2: you're the that you're getting just totally caught up into macabre,
Speaker 2: then you've got to check yourself a little bit.
Speaker 1: Fair enough. Yeah, you're very welcome.
Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that every single thing that deals with
Speaker 2: the macab or oh my gosh, I'm throwing out all
Speaker 2: my Tim Burton stuff, or any of these things. It's
Speaker 2: just it's not fair to the concept of of different
Speaker 2: types of literature and art and filmmaking. There is many
Speaker 2: types of art, paintings or otherwise that could be considered
Speaker 2: macob that are quite brilliant and wonderful and insightful. And
Speaker 2: that goes for movies as well. But you have to
Speaker 2: use the discernment. If it starts to be come a thing,
Speaker 2: then maybe you should check it, check yourself every once
Speaker 2: in a while and be introspective about it, pray on
Speaker 2: it and think that way, Ah, discernment. Isn't it just
Speaker 2: easier to just say no to everything one of my
Speaker 2: pet peeves, if you will, is the concept of zero tolerance.
Speaker 2: You see this a lot in schools, so that a
Speaker 2: child that brings an aspirin to school is considered as
Speaker 2: big of a problem as someone who brings illicit drugs marijuana, whatever,
Speaker 2: it might be, cocaine, but they're all drugs. Even though
Speaker 2: it's aspirin, everyone gets expelled. So that kind of concept
Speaker 2: of all or nothing, that it really points to laziness
Speaker 2: than it does anything else. And if if you're going
Speaker 2: to be lazy in your faith and not use discernment,
Speaker 2: then why did God put you here and give you
Speaker 2: the tools like scripture and prayer and say things like
Speaker 2: there is wisdom in a multitude of council so the
Speaker 2: people around you to get insight if you're just supposed
Speaker 2: to go, okay, not doing this ever? Are there not
Speaker 2: doing this ever?
Speaker 1: Type things?
Speaker 2: Sure there are. But even the Ten commandments you talk
Speaker 2: about thou shalt not murder, thou shalt not kill, because
Speaker 2: if you're in law enforcement or military or things like that,
Speaker 2: that could become an issue. And you know, not bear
Speaker 2: false witness. However, if you're a Christian in nineteen forties
Speaker 2: Germany and the Naziss comes to your door and asks
Speaker 2: if there's Jews in your floorboard.
Speaker 1: Being hidden? You say no.
Speaker 2: So the the context is very important and the purpose
Speaker 2: in which you do things, and that has to be
Speaker 2: part of your decision making. If you just throw out
Speaker 2: all your skills of decision making, that just becomes spiritually.
Speaker 1: Lazy.
Speaker 2: You're just looking for a reason not to have to
Speaker 2: practice your faith, not to have to apply your understanding
Speaker 2: and scripture. Well, you know what, if I don't just
Speaker 2: cut it out now, I have to read scripture and
Speaker 2: really understand things and know whether this is right or
Speaker 2: wrong in this context, and it just takes too much effort.
Speaker 1: I'm just going to say no.
Speaker 2: And that kind of spiritual laziness is permeating the church
Speaker 2: in a way that the concept of being a sheep
Speaker 2: becomes the negative or the pejorative of being a sheep
Speaker 2: and just stupid and doing whatever. Whoever in front of
Speaker 2: you says, that's not the purpose. The concept of sheeps
Speaker 2: in scripture is to show the purity and the kindness
Speaker 2: and the simplicity of following your Master. But doesn't mean
Speaker 2: you do that in everything you do at church, and
Speaker 2: all of those things and I want you to be
Speaker 2: able to think through things and use that brain in
Speaker 2: the top of your body.
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